[blindlaw] remote Desktop with JAWS

Stewart, Christopher K chris.stewart at uky.edu
Thu Dec 8 14:24:43 UTC 2016


Thanks for the responses. I spoke with IT, and we're definitely on VPN
with a remote desktop protocol. I think that control + alt + tab may
be the answer, but I won't be able to try it until I get home.

Best,
Chris


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> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 10:31:09 -0800
> From: Elizabeth Rene <rene0373 at gmail.com>
> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [blindlaw] Animal law fellowship | Animal Legal Defense Fund
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> Good luck!
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 14:06:36 -0500
> From: Aimee Harwood <awildheir at gmail.com>
> To: BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [blindlaw] Timing of Exams
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> Hello everyone,
>
> I have a question regarding exams. Are universities allowed to schedule an
> accommodated exam earlier than the rest of the class? One of my exams is a
> night class. The rest of the class will take their exam at 6:00 PM. Over the
> summer, I also took an evening class and the exam started at 6:00 PM as
> well. I was given the option to take the exam early or the following
> business day. I chose the following business day. I requested the same for
> this exam and was denied. The reason given was that they do not remember why
> they gave those options for that particular exam and that it did not apply
> to any other exam.
>
> Aimee
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 14:56:37 -0500
> From: "Jim McCarthy" <jmccarthy at mdtap.org>
> To: "'Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Timing of Exams
> Message-ID: <01d401d250c4$057bfeb0$1073fc10$@mdtap.org>
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>
> I think the issue becomes what is the disability-related reason that you
> request the earlier exam? It seems possible to me that law students may
> check in electronically and check out the same way when finished. If you
> need to pick up the exam from a staff person and return it to a staffer,
> One
> argument seems to be that if you get double time on an exam that starts at
> 6:00 pm and normal is 3 hours, you get 6, which means that you turn the
> exam
> in at midnight. Otherwise, it probably has to be some kind of fatigue
> argument connecting to blindness and or other documented disabilities.
> Jim McCarthy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aimee
> Harwood via BlindLaw
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 2:07 PM
> To: BlindLaw
> Cc: Aimee Harwood
> Subject: [blindlaw] Timing of Exams
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> I have a question regarding exams. Are universities allowed to schedule an
> accommodated exam earlier than the rest of the class? One of my exams is a
> night class. The rest of the class will take their exam at 6:00 PM. Over
> the
> summer, I also took an evening class and the exam started at 6:00 PM as
> well. I was given the option to take the exam early or the following
> business day. I chose the following business day. I requested the same for
> this exam and was denied. The reason given was that they do not remember
> why
> they gave those options for that particular exam and that it did not apply
> to any other exam.
>
> Aimee
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 12:14:07 -0800
> From: Shannon Dillon <shannonldillon at gmail.com>
> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] ; Determining Page Numbers when Reading Cases
> 	in WestLaw Next
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> Has anyone used the copy with citation Laura briefly mentions at the
> end of her explanation?  The last time I asked Thompson West about it,
> it was not accessible.  I think you have to select with the mouse.  I
> can't remember exactly the steps now but it was not something I was
> able to simulate at the time.  Does anyone have another experience?
>
>
> On 12/7/16, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi Krista,
>>
>> I will tell you my strategy, but I'm sure others use different ones.
>>
>> As Amy explained, the text of a Westlaw case has the pagenation to
>> multiple reporters.  These are usually called parallel citations.
>> There can be two or sometimes three different reporters, and they are
>> listed at the top.  To distinguish the reporters, different numbers of
>> asterisks are placed next to the page numbers associated with each
>> respective reporter.  Westlaw cases use a system of star pagenation,
>> i.e., instead of having a one-to-one correspondence between a page in
>> Westlaw and a print page as you noticed, the case will just mark where
>> the pages for the various reporters change as you read through the
>> case.
>>
>> The relevant report from the West National Reporter system is **ALMOST
>> ALWAYS**  the reporter to which you will cite, and it **ALMOST
>> ALWAYS** has one asterisk next to it for purposes of star pagenation.
>> The most common exception to this, at least in my experience, would be
>> citations to recent Supreme Court opinions.  Those opinions take about
>> five years to make it into West's U.S. reports, meaning that recent
>> opinions are typically cited to the Supreme Court Reporter.  Normally,
>> that reporter is marked by two stars, but in instances where there is
>> no citation to the U.S. reporter yet, it is marked with only one. As
>> an example, compare NLRB v. Noel Canning, 134 S. Ct. 2550 (not yet
>> printed in U.S. reports) with Blair v. United States, 250 U.S.
>> 273.
>>
>> My strategy for pinciting is clumsy, but it works. I simply find the
>> text I want, then doa control+f and search for the next asterisk.
>> making sure it is marked with the proper number of asterisks, I just
>> count back by one.  This method has its pitfalls.  The most
>> frustrating one is when you're citing something from the last page of
>> the case.  The most common mistake deals with making sure you know
>> when you're citing a footnote.  But, with practice, I have become
>> quite quick at it.  I've heard West has a "copy with citation"
>> feature, but I've never used it.
>>
>> I hope this is helpful.  This is written pre-coffee, so please feel
>> free to contact me offlist if anything is confusing.
>>
>> Best of luck,
>> Laura
>>
>> On 12/7/16, Aimee Harwood via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> At the top of the case you'll find the list of reporters. Note the
>>> number
>>> of
>>> stars preceding your preferred reporter. That will indicate the page
>>> number
>>> for that particular reporter. Hope that helps.
>>>
>>> Aimee
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Dec 6, 2016, at 11:30 PM, krista erickson via BlindLaw
>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>> I've been using WestLaw Next to find and read cases for a class
>>>> research project. We are limited to the cases we can cite in the
>>>> project and have to pinpoint citations. Do any of you have suggestions
>>>> for easily determining the correct page numbers that text from a case
>>>> would appear on if reading cases in actual hard-bound books? The
>>>> numbers preceeded by * in WestLaw Next don't appear to directly
>>>> correspond to actual page numbers. Thanks.
>>>> Krista
>>>>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 15:16:53 -0500
> From: "Rod" <rodalcidonis at gmail.com>
> To: "Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Timing of Exams
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> I hate to say this, Amy, but it appears that your school is more interested
>
> in failing than educating you. This kind of accommodation is one I would
> have routinely received with proper justification. A friend of mine attended
>
> a different law school and they allowed him to take his exam in his dorm
> room, subject to the honor code.
>
> The school can easily place sufficient safeguards to insure that the
> integrity of the exam is preserved. This is not your responsibility, but
> theirs. And they are not doing it.
>
>
>
> Rod Alcidonis, Esq.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim McCarthy via BlindLaw
> Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 2:56 PM
> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List'
> Cc: Jim McCarthy
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Timing of Exams
>
> I think the issue becomes what is the disability-related reason that you
> request the earlier exam? It seems possible to me that law students may
> check in electronically and check out the same way when finished. If you
> need to pick up the exam from a staff person and return it to a staffer,
> One
> argument seems to be that if you get double time on an exam that starts at
> 6:00 pm and normal is 3 hours, you get 6, which means that you turn the
> exam
> in at midnight. Otherwise, it probably has to be some kind of fatigue
> argument connecting to blindness and or other documented disabilities.
> Jim McCarthy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aimee
> Harwood via BlindLaw
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 2:07 PM
> To: BlindLaw
> Cc: Aimee Harwood
> Subject: [blindlaw] Timing of Exams
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> I have a question regarding exams. Are universities allowed to schedule an
> accommodated exam earlier than the rest of the class? One of my exams is a
> night class. The rest of the class will take their exam at 6:00 PM. Over
> the
> summer, I also took an evening class and the exam started at 6:00 PM as
> well. I was given the option to take the exam early or the following
> business day. I chose the following business day. I requested the same for
> this exam and was denied. The reason given was that they do not remember
> why
> they gave those options for that particular exam and that it did not apply
> to any other exam.
>
> Aimee
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 15:36:20 -0500
> From: kelby carlson <kelbycarlson at gmail.com>
> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Timing of Exams
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> Is there a particular reason you need the accommodation? Are law
> school allows rescheduling of exams for various reasons whether you
> have a disability or not; are you unable to attend the exam? (I can't
> imagine my school letting me take exams in my dorm room, nor would I
> really want to; too many distractions.)
>
> On 12/7/16, Rod via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I hate to say this, Amy, but it appears that your school is more
>> interested
>>
>> in failing than educating you. This kind of accommodation is one I would
>> have routinely received with proper justification. A friend of mine
>> attended
>>
>> a different law school and they allowed him to take his exam in his dorm
>> room, subject to the honor code.
>>
>> The school can easily place sufficient safeguards to insure that the
>> integrity of the exam is preserved. This is not your responsibility, but
>> theirs. And they are not doing it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rod Alcidonis, Esq.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jim McCarthy via BlindLaw
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 2:56 PM
>> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List'
>> Cc: Jim McCarthy
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Timing of Exams
>>
>> I think the issue becomes what is the disability-related reason that you
>> request the earlier exam? It seems possible to me that law students may
>> check in electronically and check out the same way when finished. If you
>> need to pick up the exam from a staff person and return it to a staffer,
>> One
>> argument seems to be that if you get double time on an exam that starts
>> at
>> 6:00 pm and normal is 3 hours, you get 6, which means that you turn the
>> exam
>> in at midnight. Otherwise, it probably has to be some kind of fatigue
>> argument connecting to blindness and or other documented disabilities.
>> Jim McCarthy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aimee
>> Harwood via BlindLaw
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 2:07 PM
>> To: BlindLaw
>> Cc: Aimee Harwood
>> Subject: [blindlaw] Timing of Exams
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> I have a question regarding exams. Are universities allowed to schedule
>> an
>> accommodated exam earlier than the rest of the class? One of my exams is
>> a
>> night class. The rest of the class will take their exam at 6:00 PM. Over
>> the
>> summer, I also took an evening class and the exam started at 6:00 PM as
>> well. I was given the option to take the exam early or the following
>> business day. I chose the following business day. I requested the same
>> for
>> this exam and was denied. The reason given was that they do not remember
>> why
>> they gave those options for that particular exam and that it did not
>> apply
>> to any other exam.
>>
>> Aimee
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 15:44:43 -0500
> From: Sai <legal at s.ai>
> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Timing of Exams
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> Isn't "I want to have as much time to study as everyone else" a good
> enough reason?
>
> - Sai
>
> On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 2:56 PM, Jim McCarthy via BlindLaw
> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I think the issue becomes what is the disability-related reason that you
>> request the earlier exam? It seems possible to me that law students may
>> check in electronically and check out the same way when finished. If you
>> need to pick up the exam from a staff person and return it to a staffer,
>> One
>> argument seems to be that if you get double time on an exam that starts
>> at
>> 6:00 pm and normal is 3 hours, you get 6, which means that you turn the
>> exam
>> in at midnight. Otherwise, it probably has to be some kind of fatigue
>> argument connecting to blindness and or other documented disabilities.
>> Jim McCarthy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aimee
>> Harwood via BlindLaw
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 2:07 PM
>> To: BlindLaw
>> Cc: Aimee Harwood
>> Subject: [blindlaw] Timing of Exams
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> I have a question regarding exams. Are universities allowed to schedule
>> an
>> accommodated exam earlier than the rest of the class? One of my exams is
>> a
>> night class. The rest of the class will take their exam at 6:00 PM. Over
>> the
>> summer, I also took an evening class and the exam started at 6:00 PM as
>> well. I was given the option to take the exam early or the following
>> business day. I chose the following business day. I requested the same
>> for
>> this exam and was denied. The reason given was that they do not remember
>> why
>> they gave those options for that particular exam and that it did not
>> apply
>> to any other exam.
>>
>> Aimee
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 15:47:43 -0500
> From: James Fetter <jtfetter at yahoo.com>
> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Timing of Exams
> Message-ID: <5554525C-B964-49FB-8B4E-2151EC09FE76 at yahoo.com>
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> I would have to agree. My law school has been very flexible with exam
> accommodations, even to the point of allowing me to take a longer exam on
> two consecutive days, if desired, or taking exams at home if convenient. Is
> that level of flexibility required by the ADA? No, but it certainly makes
> life easier. If you think that the denial of the accommodation will hurt
> your performance, and if you have a concrete reason for asking for a
> different accommodation that is related to your disability, then by all
> means fight this. Otherwise, you may be stuck with the accommodation your
> school offered.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 7, 2016, at 3:16 PM, Rod via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> I hate to say this, Amy, but it appears that your school is more
>> interested in failing than educating you. This kind of accommodation is
>> one I would have routinely received with proper justification. A friend of
>> mine attended a different law school and they allowed him to take his exam
>> in his dorm room, subject to the honor code.
>>
>> The school can easily place sufficient safeguards to insure that the
>> integrity of the exam is preserved. This is not your responsibility, but
>> theirs. And they are not doing it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rod Alcidonis, Esq.
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Jim McCarthy via BlindLaw
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 2:56 PM
>> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List'
>> Cc: Jim McCarthy
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Timing of Exams
>>
>> I think the issue becomes what is the disability-related reason that you
>> request the earlier exam? It seems possible to me that law students may
>> check in electronically and check out the same way when finished. If you
>> need to pick up the exam from a staff person and return it to a staffer,
>> One
>> argument seems to be that if you get double time on an exam that starts
>> at
>> 6:00 pm and normal is 3 hours, you get 6, which means that you turn the
>> exam
>> in at midnight. Otherwise, it probably has to be some kind of fatigue
>> argument connecting to blindness and or other documented disabilities.
>> Jim McCarthy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aimee
>> Harwood via BlindLaw
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 2:07 PM
>> To: BlindLaw
>> Cc: Aimee Harwood
>> Subject: [blindlaw] Timing of Exams
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> I have a question regarding exams. Are universities allowed to schedule
>> an
>> accommodated exam earlier than the rest of the class? One of my exams is
>> a
>> night class. The rest of the class will take their exam at 6:00 PM. Over
>> the
>> summer, I also took an evening class and the exam started at 6:00 PM as
>> well. I was given the option to take the exam early or the following
>> business day. I chose the following business day. I requested the same
>> for
>> this exam and was denied. The reason given was that they do not remember
>> why
>> they gave those options for that particular exam and that it did not
>> apply
>> to any other exam.
>>
>> Aimee
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 14:49:09 -0600
> From: "Stewart, Christopher K" <chris.stewart at uky.edu>
> To: blindlaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [blindlaw] Remote Desktop and JAWS
> Message-ID:
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> Hi All,
>
> This may not be the optimal forum for this question, but I imagine
> plenty of other lawyers have needed to use a vpn to access their work
> computers from home. Today on my lunch break, I ran home, installed
> the program that the court uses for remoting in, and started playing
> around. I noticed a couple of things.
>
> First, JAWS sounded funny, as though a low-fidelity version of JAWS
> were being piped to my computer from the office, which may be what was
> happening. Does anyone know if there is a way to get the version of
> jaws running on my home computer to read the screen of my work
> computer? I tried shutting down JAWS in the remote window, but that
> only served to make everything go quiet.
>
> Second, once I was into the computer remotely and alt-tabbing around
> the various programs, I couldn't figure out how to get out. In other
> words, I understand that for sighted folks, they can still look and
> see the window which is their own computer, and when they're ready to
> end the session, they go back over to that window and close out the
> connection. But when I tried to alt-tab out of the remote session, it
> didn't work, and instead kept cycling me through the programs that
> were open on my work computer.
>
> If anyone has any experience with this, please let me know.
>
> Very Best,
> Chris
>
>
>
>
> --
> Chris K. Stewart, J.D.
> Ph:
> (502)457-1757
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 15:49:31 -0500
> From: kelby carlson <kelbycarlson at gmail.com>
> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Timing of Exams
> Message-ID:
> 	<CAPMpJYsj5VrYOhKVfaJJxqqKRibSgBAUS-OzMBC4BOa7Sn8-DA at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Well, perhaps; but she's asking to take the exam earlier, not later.
>
> On 12/7/16, Sai via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Isn't "I want to have as much time to study as everyone else" a good
>> enough reason?
>>
>> - Sai
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 2:56 PM, Jim McCarthy via BlindLaw
>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> I think the issue becomes what is the disability-related reason that you
>>> request the earlier exam? It seems possible to me that law students may
>>> check in electronically and check out the same way when finished. If you
>>> need to pick up the exam from a staff person and return it to a staffer,
>>> One
>>> argument seems to be that if you get double time on an exam that starts
>>> at
>>> 6:00 pm and normal is 3 hours, you get 6, which means that you turn the
>>> exam
>>> in at midnight. Otherwise, it probably has to be some kind of fatigue
>>> argument connecting to blindness and or other documented disabilities.
>>> Jim McCarthy
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aimee
>>> Harwood via BlindLaw
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 2:07 PM
>>> To: BlindLaw
>>> Cc: Aimee Harwood
>>> Subject: [blindlaw] Timing of Exams
>>>
>>> Hello everyone,
>>>
>>> I have a question regarding exams. Are universities allowed to schedule
>>> an
>>> accommodated exam earlier than the rest of the class? One of my exams is
>>> a
>>> night class. The rest of the class will take their exam at 6:00 PM. Over
>>> the
>>> summer, I also took an evening class and the exam started at 6:00 PM as
>>> well. I was given the option to take the exam early or the following
>>> business day. I chose the following business day. I requested the same
>>> for
>>> this exam and was denied. The reason given was that they do not remember
>>> why
>>> they gave those options for that particular exam and that it did not
>>> apply
>>> to any other exam.
>>>
>>> Aimee
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>
> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 21:00:05 +0000
> From: "Farber, Randy" <rfarber at jw.com>
> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: "Stewart, Christopher K" <chris.stewart at uky.edu>
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Remote Desktop and JAWS
> Message-ID:
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>
> Chris -
>
> 	It sounds like you are using Citrix and not VPN.  I use VPN and except for
> a little slowness my home computer acts just like my office computer.
> Citrix on the other hand is run on a separate server and requires JAWS to be
> running on the Citrix server because you are actually opening the Citrix
> session on your computer in a separate window/session.  I believe there are
> keys that allow you to switch between the Citrix session and your computer
> and to also use Citrix in full screen mode.  However, because I find VPN to
> be substantially better than Citrix, I do not use Citrix, so I can't help
> you with the Citrix keystrokes.
>
> Randy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Stewart,
> Christopher K via BlindLaw
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 2:49 PM
> To: blindlaw
> Cc: Stewart, Christopher K
> Subject: [blindlaw] Remote Desktop and JAWS
>
> Hi All,
>
> This may not be the optimal forum for this question, but I imagine
> plenty of other lawyers have needed to use a vpn to access their work
> computers from home. Today on my lunch break, I ran home, installed
> the program that the court uses for remoting in, and started playing
> around. I noticed a couple of things.
>
> First, JAWS sounded funny, as though a low-fidelity version of JAWS
> were being piped to my computer from the office, which may be what was
> happening. Does anyone know if there is a way to get the version of
> jaws running on my home computer to read the screen of my work
> computer? I tried shutting down JAWS in the remote window, but that
> only served to make everything go quiet.
>
> Second, once I was into the computer remotely and alt-tabbing around
> the various programs, I couldn't figure out how to get out. In other
> words, I understand that for sighted folks, they can still look and
> see the window which is their own computer, and when they're ready to
> end the session, they go back over to that window and close out the
> connection. But when I tried to alt-tab out of the remote session, it
> didn't work, and instead kept cycling me through the programs that
> were open on my work computer.
>
> If anyone has any experience with this, please let me know.
>
> Very Best,
> Chris
>
>
>
>
> --
> Chris K. Stewart, J.D.
> Ph:
> (502)457-1757
>
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>
> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 16:20:01 -0500
> From: Angie Matney <angie.matney at gmail.com>
> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Remote Desktop and JAWS
> Message-ID: <9DEED1F8-6C9B-4A6E-A7AF-87CECF1B94D0 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=us-ascii
>
> I've had the same experience as Randy. I don't know if the situation has
> impooved, but when I last tried to use Citrix I was told that JARS did not
> work with Citrix on  virtual machine. I don't know if this is what you are
> experiencing or not, but the change in sound quality is definitely familiar.
> My firm lets me use VPN instead. This is generally reserved for the IT staff
> here, but it does work well with JAWS, so I was given access.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 7, 2016, at 4:00 PM, Farber, Randy via BlindLaw
>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Chris -
>>
>>    It sounds like you are using Citrix and not VPN.  I use VPN and except
>> for a little slowness my home computer acts just like my office computer.
>> Citrix on the other hand is run on a separate server and requires JAWS to
>> be running on the Citrix server because you are actually opening the
>> Citrix session on your computer in a separate window/session.  I believe
>> there are keys that allow you to switch between the Citrix session and
>> your computer and to also use Citrix in full screen mode.  However,
>> because I find VPN to be substantially better than Citrix, I do not use
>> Citrix, so I can't help you with the Citrix keystrokes.
>>
>> Randy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Stewart,
>> Christopher K via BlindLaw
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 2:49 PM
>> To: blindlaw
>> Cc: Stewart, Christopher K
>> Subject: [blindlaw] Remote Desktop and JAWS
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> This may not be the optimal forum for this question, but I imagine
>> plenty of other lawyers have needed to use a vpn to access their work
>> computers from home. Today on my lunch break, I ran home, installed
>> the program that the court uses for remoting in, and started playing
>> around. I noticed a couple of things.
>>
>> First, JAWS sounded funny, as though a low-fidelity version of JAWS
>> were being piped to my computer from the office, which may be what was
>> happening. Does anyone know if there is a way to get the version of
>> jaws running on my home computer to read the screen of my work
>> computer? I tried shutting down JAWS in the remote window, but that
>> only served to make everything go quiet.
>>
>> Second, once I was into the computer remotely and alt-tabbing around
>> the various programs, I couldn't figure out how to get out. In other
>> words, I understand that for sighted folks, they can still look and
>> see the window which is their own computer, and when they're ready to
>> end the session, they go back over to that window and close out the
>> connection. But when I tried to alt-tab out of the remote session, it
>> didn't work, and instead kept cycling me through the programs that
>> were open on my work computer.
>>
>> If anyone has any experience with this, please let me know.
>>
>> Very Best,
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Chris K. Stewart, J.D.
>> Ph:
>> (502)457-1757
>>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 21:04:23 -0500
> From: "bob morrissey" <rjmorrissey26 at gmail.com>
> To: "'Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Timing of Exams
> Message-ID: <000601d250f7$65baf0a0$3130d1e0$@com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>
> I had a similar experience when achieving Paralegal Certification at the
> University of New Haven.  Strict adhereance to the honor code, but was
> given
> liberal accommodations when taking tests, including having the test prior
> to
> the rest of the class.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rod via
> BlindLaw
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 3:17 PM
> To: Blind Law Mailing List
> Cc: Rod
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Timing of Exams
>
> I hate to say this, Amy, but it appears that your school is more interested
> in failing than educating you. This kind of accommodation is one I would
> have routinely received with proper justification. A friend of mine
> attended
> a different law school and they allowed him to take his exam in his dorm
> room, subject to the honor code.
>
> The school can easily place sufficient safeguards to insure that the
> integrity of the exam is preserved. This is not your responsibility, but
> theirs. And they are not doing it.
>
>
>
> Rod Alcidonis, Esq.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim McCarthy via BlindLaw
> Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 2:56 PM
> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List'
> Cc: Jim McCarthy
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Timing of Exams
>
> I think the issue becomes what is the disability-related reason that you
> request the earlier exam? It seems possible to me that law students may
> check in electronically and check out the same way when finished. If you
> need to pick up the exam from a staff person and return it to a staffer,
> One
> argument seems to be that if you get double time on an exam that starts at
> 6:00 pm and normal is 3 hours, you get 6, which means that you turn the
> exam
> in at midnight. Otherwise, it probably has to be some kind of fatigue
> argument connecting to blindness and or other documented disabilities.
> Jim McCarthy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aimee
> Harwood via BlindLaw
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 2:07 PM
> To: BlindLaw
> Cc: Aimee Harwood
> Subject: [blindlaw] Timing of Exams
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> I have a question regarding exams. Are universities allowed to schedule an
> accommodated exam earlier than the rest of the class? One of my exams is a
> night class. The rest of the class will take their exam at 6:00 PM. Over
> the
> summer, I also took an evening class and the exam started at 6:00 PM as
> well. I was given the option to take the exam early or the following
> business day. I chose the following business day. I requested the same for
> this exam and was denied. The reason given was that they do not remember
> why
> they gave those options for that particular exam and that it did not apply
> to any other exam.
>
> Aimee
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2016 21:13:17 -0600
> From: mnowicki4 at icloud.com
> To: Angie Matney via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Remote Desktop and JAWS
> Message-ID: <0OHU00FHEJMAOO20 at st11p00im-asmtp001.me.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> I never used Citrix, but I believe the JAWS Tandem shortcut for switching
> between the remote computer and the local computer is Ctrl Plus Alt plus
> Tab. I have no idea if the same command will work with Citrix, but it may be
> worth a try, especially if VPN is not an option.
>
> Michal
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Angie Matney via BlindLaw
> Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 3:21 PM
> To: Blind Law Mailing List
> Cc: Angie Matney
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Remote Desktop and JAWS
>
> I've had the same experience as Randy. I don't know if the situation has
> impooved, but when I last tried to use Citrix I was told that JARS did not
> work with Citrix on  virtual machine. I don't know if this is what you are
> experiencing or not, but the change in sound quality is definitely familiar.
> My firm lets me use VPN instead. This is generally reserved for the IT staff
> here, but it does work well with JAWS, so I was given access.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 7, 2016, at 4:00 PM, Farber, Randy via BlindLaw
>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Chris -
>>
>>    It sounds like you are using Citrix and not VPN.  I use VPN and except
>> for a little slowness my home computer acts just like my office computer.
>> Citrix on the other hand is run on a separate server and requires JAWS to
>> be running on the Citrix server because you are actually opening the
>> Citrix session on your computer in a separate window/session.  I believe
>> there are keys that allow you to switch between the Citrix session and
>> your computer and to also use Citrix in full screen mode.  However,
>> because I find VPN to be substantially better than Citrix, I do not use
>> Citrix, so I can't help you with the Citrix keystrokes.
>>
>> Randy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Stewart,
>> Christopher K via BlindLaw
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 2:49 PM
>> To: blindlaw
>> Cc: Stewart, Christopher K
>> Subject: [blindlaw] Remote Desktop and JAWS
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> This may not be the optimal forum for this question, but I imagine
>> plenty of other lawyers have needed to use a vpn to access their work
>> computers from home. Today on my lunch break, I ran home, installed
>> the program that the court uses for remoting in, and started playing
>> around. I noticed a couple of things.
>>
>> First, JAWS sounded funny, as though a low-fidelity version of JAWS
>> were being piped to my computer from the office, which may be what was
>> happening. Does anyone know if there is a way to get the version of
>> jaws running on my home computer to read the screen of my work
>> computer? I tried shutting down JAWS in the remote window, but that
>> only served to make everything go quiet.
>>
>> Second, once I was into the computer remotely and alt-tabbing around
>> the various programs, I couldn't figure out how to get out. In other
>> words, I understand that for sighted folks, they can still look and
>> see the window which is their own computer, and when they're ready to
>> end the session, they go back over to that window and close out the
>> connection. But when I tried to alt-tab out of the remote session, it
>> didn't work, and instead kept cycling me through the programs that
>> were open on my work computer.
>>
>> If anyone has any experience with this, please let me know.
>>
>> Very Best,
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Chris K. Stewart, J.D.
>> Ph:
>> (502)457-1757
>>
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>
> Message: 15
> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 22:16:47 -0500
> From: nmpbrat at aol.com
> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Timing of Exams
> Message-ID: <158dc6eed9e-5b03-1186b at webprd-a55.mail.aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Maybe I'm missing something.....but when I read her post, it sounds like to
> me she is not asking to take it early but rather the next business day.  She
> says "I was given the option to take the exam early or the following
> business day. I chose the following business day. I requested the same for
> this exam and was denied."
> I think the school is saying she has to take it early rather than the next
> day.
> I agree with Sal, in that, it actually puts her at a disadvantage in terms
> of the amount of time she has to study compared to her peers.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: kelby carlson via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: kelby carlson <kelbycarlson at gmail.com>
> Sent: Wed, Dec 7, 2016 3:52 pm
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Timing of Exams
>
> Well, perhaps; but she's asking to take the exam earlier, not later.
>
> On 12/7/16, Sai via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Isn't "I want to have as much time to study as everyone else" a good
>> enough reason?
>>
>> - Sai
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 2:56 PM, Jim McCarthy via BlindLaw
>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> I think the issue becomes what is the disability-related reason that you
>>> request the earlier exam? It seems possible to me that law students may
>>> check in electronically and check out the same way when finished. If you
>>> need to pick up the exam from a staff person and return it to a staffer,
>>> One
>>> argument seems to be that if you get double time on an exam that starts
>>> at
>>> 6:00 pm and normal is 3 hours, you get 6, which means that you turn the
>>> exam
>>> in at midnight. Otherwise, it probably has to be some kind of fatigue
>>> argument connecting to blindness and or other documented disabilities.
>>> Jim McCarthy
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aimee
>>> Harwood via BlindLaw
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 2:07 PM
>>> To: BlindLaw
>>> Cc: Aimee Harwood
>>> Subject: [blindlaw] Timing of Exams
>>>
>>> Hello everyone,
>>>
>>> I have a question regarding exams. Are universities allowed to schedule
>>> an
>>> accommodated exam earlier than the rest of the class? One of my exams is
>>> a
>>> night class. The rest of the class will take their exam at 6:00 PM. Over
>>> the
>>> summer, I also took an evening class and the exam started at 6:00 PM as
>>> well. I was given the option to take the exam early or the following
>>> business day. I chose the following business day. I requested the same
>>> for
>>> this exam and was denied. The reason given was that they do not remember
>>> why
>>> they gave those options for that particular exam and that it did not
>>> apply
>>> to any other exam.
>>>
>>> Aimee
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> _______________________________________________
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> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 22:48:26 -0500
> From: Sai <legal at s.ai>
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> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Timing of Exams
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> That was my reading also.
>
> Sure, it's incidentally more time to study, but if you're willing to
> take it at the same time as others and it's the school that won't
> offer accommodated exam at that time, I think that's not on you. I
> don't think they can require you to take it earlier just because you
> want other accommodations.
>
> If they offer to do it, accommodated, at the same time as everyone
> else and you say no, you want it to be later ? then I think that would
> count as an accommodation which needs some justification.
>
> I just don't think you need any disability justification for not
> wanting to take it earlier than other people. Accommodations are a
> one-way ratchet.
>
> - Sai
>
> On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 10:16 PM, Nicole Poston via BlindLaw
> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Maybe I'm missing something.....but when I read her post, it sounds like
>> to me she is not asking to take it early but rather the next business day.
>>  She says "I was given the option to take the exam early or the following
>> business day. I chose the following business day. I requested the same for
>> this exam and was denied."
>> I think the school is saying she has to take it early rather than the next
>> day.
>> I agree with Sal, in that, it actually puts her at a disadvantage in terms
>> of the amount of time she has to study compared to her peers.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: kelby carlson via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: kelby carlson <kelbycarlson at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Wed, Dec 7, 2016 3:52 pm
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Timing of Exams
>>
>> Well, perhaps; but she's asking to take the exam earlier, not later.
>>
>> On 12/7/16, Sai via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Isn't "I want to have as much time to study as everyone else" a good
>>> enough reason?
>>>
>>> - Sai
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 2:56 PM, Jim McCarthy via BlindLaw
>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> I think the issue becomes what is the disability-related reason that
>>>> you
>>>> request the earlier exam? It seems possible to me that law students may
>>>> check in electronically and check out the same way when finished. If
>>>> you
>>>> need to pick up the exam from a staff person and return it to a
>>>> staffer,
>>>> One
>>>> argument seems to be that if you get double time on an exam that starts
>>>> at
>>>> 6:00 pm and normal is 3 hours, you get 6, which means that you turn the
>>>> exam
>>>> in at midnight. Otherwise, it probably has to be some kind of fatigue
>>>> argument connecting to blindness and or other documented disabilities.
>>>> Jim McCarthy
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aimee
>>>> Harwood via BlindLaw
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 2:07 PM
>>>> To: BlindLaw
>>>> Cc: Aimee Harwood
>>>> Subject: [blindlaw] Timing of Exams
>>>>
>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>
>>>> I have a question regarding exams. Are universities allowed to schedule
>>>> an
>>>> accommodated exam earlier than the rest of the class? One of my exams
>>>> is
>>>> a
>>>> night class. The rest of the class will take their exam at 6:00 PM.
>>>> Over
>>>> the
>>>> summer, I also took an evening class and the exam started at 6:00 PM as
>>>> well. I was given the option to take the exam early or the following
>>>> business day. I chose the following business day. I requested the same
>>>> for
>>>> this exam and was denied. The reason given was that they do not
>>>> remember
>>>> why
>>>> they gave those options for that particular exam and that it did not
>>>> apply
>>>> to any other exam.
>>>>
>>>> Aimee
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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