From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com  Tue Jul  5 22:44:07 2016
From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 23:44:07 +0100
Subject: [blindlaw] Accessibility of eDiscovery Platforms Using JAWS?
Message-ID: <CAGZitzJX-3TjKGfqkOuP1F1VF5i=B_0URyEOonof4ddW4i6qTw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I wonder if anyone can let me know whether there have been any
positive recent developments regarding the accessibility of ediscovery
platforms and if anyone has had success using any such platforms with
JAWS?

As noted previously, I think this is an important issue for blind
lawyers (it certainly is for me) and I think some sort of awareness
campaign with the providers of discovery platforms would be
worthwhile.

Kind regards

Ger

On 7/5/16, Gerard Sadlier <gerard.sadlier at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Obviously I won't be able to make it, just a note though to say that
> it sounds like a really lovely idea.
>
> Ger
>
> On 7/5/16, Fadeia Hossian fadeia.hossian at gmail.com [soviluk]
> <soviluk at yahoogroups.co.uk> wrote:
>> Many thanks. Very interested in taking part if it is at thee weekend.
>> Regards
>> Fadeia
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On 5 Jul 2016, at 16:40, "jeremy browne jeremy at bpssolicitors.co.uk
>>> [soviluk]" <soviluk at yahoogroups.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All, One of the possible events we discussed at a recent
>>> committee meeting was a walk along part of the towpath of the
>>> Thames, ending at a pub for a drink or meal. (and possibly
>>> beginning at one as well). I volunteered to do a recce and was
>>> thinking of the stretch from Richmond down to Chiswick, which is
>>> about 3-4 miles of flat walking. Before I try and explore the
>>> route, it would be useful to know whether this was a popular
>>> idea. We could either do it one early evening in August, say
>>> starting around 5,30 or 6Pm or alternatively perhaps a Sunday
>>> afternoon, though London Transport sometimes make it hard to get
>>> around on a Sunday. Anyway, with apologies that this is London
>>> centred, could anyone interested get back to me with ideas, or
>>> preferences as to time. Jeremy.
>>>
>>
>


From ttomasi at driowa.org  Tue Jul  5 23:14:32 2016
From: ttomasi at driowa.org (Tai Tomasi)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 23:14:32 +0000
Subject: [blindlaw] Accessibility of eDiscovery Platforms Using JAWS?
In-Reply-To: <CAGZitzJX-3TjKGfqkOuP1F1VF5i=B_0URyEOonof4ddW4i6qTw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGZitzJX-3TjKGfqkOuP1F1VF5i=B_0URyEOonof4ddW4i6qTw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <163BBAFB-D75F-41EE-85C5-FBA9D5822A56@driowa.org>

At the national Association of blind lawyers meeting, someone indicated that discovery materials obtained using  relativity can be exported to an Excel spreadsheet. I don't know the extent of this accessability and how much data it can export.  however, this does sound promising.

Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.
Email: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com<mailto:tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com>
Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical errors.

On Jul 5, 2016, at 6:46 PM, Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>> wrote:

Hi all,

I wonder if anyone can let me know whether there have been any
positive recent developments regarding the accessibility of ediscovery
platforms and if anyone has had success using any such platforms with
JAWS?

As noted previously, I think this is an important issue for blind
lawyers (it certainly is for me) and I think some sort of awareness
campaign with the providers of discovery platforms would be
worthwhile.

Kind regards

Ger

On 7/5/16, Gerard Sadlier <gerard.sadlier at gmail.com<mailto:gerard.sadlier at gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi all,

Obviously I won't be able to make it, just a note though to say that
it sounds like a really lovely idea.

Ger

On 7/5/16, Fadeia Hossian fadeia.hossian at gmail.com<mailto:fadeia.hossian at gmail.com> [soviluk]
<soviluk at yahoogroups.co.uk<mailto:soviluk at yahoogroups.co.uk>> wrote:
Many thanks. Very interested in taking part if it is at thee weekend.
Regards
Fadeia


Sent from my iPhone

On 5 Jul 2016, at 16:40, "jeremy browne jeremy at bpssolicitors.co.uk<mailto:jeremy at bpssolicitors.co.uk>
[soviluk]" <soviluk at yahoogroups.co.uk<mailto:soviluk at yahoogroups.co.uk>> wrote:

Hi All, One of the possible events we discussed at a recent
committee meeting was a walk along part of the towpath of the
Thames, ending at a pub for a drink or meal. (and possibly
beginning at one as well). I volunteered to do a recce and was
thinking of the stretch from Richmond down to Chiswick, which is
about 3-4 miles of flat walking. Before I try and explore the
route, it would be useful to know whether this was a popular
idea. We could either do it one early evening in August, say
starting around 5,30 or 6Pm or alternatively perhaps a Sunday
afternoon, though London Transport sometimes make it hard to get
around on a Sunday. Anyway, with apologies that this is London
centred, could anyone interested get back to me with ideas, or
preferences as to time. Jeremy.




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From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com  Tue Jul  5 23:32:12 2016
From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 00:32:12 +0100
Subject: [blindlaw] Accessibility of eDiscovery Platforms Using JAWS?
In-Reply-To: <163BBAFB-D75F-41EE-85C5-FBA9D5822A56@driowa.org>
References: <CAGZitzJX-3TjKGfqkOuP1F1VF5i=B_0URyEOonof4ddW4i6qTw@mail.gmail.com>
	<163BBAFB-D75F-41EE-85C5-FBA9D5822A56@driowa.org>
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Tai,

Thank you - I don't really understand how that would work, can you (or
someone else on the list) explain?

Many thanks

Ger

On 7/6/16, Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> At the national Association of blind lawyers meeting, someone indicated that
> discovery materials obtained using  relativity can be exported to an Excel
> spreadsheet. I don't know the extent of this accessability and how much data
> it can export.  however, this does sound promising.
>
> Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.
> Email: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com<mailto:tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com>
> Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical errors.
>
> On Jul 5, 2016, at 6:46 PM, Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw
> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I wonder if anyone can let me know whether there have been any
> positive recent developments regarding the accessibility of ediscovery
> platforms and if anyone has had success using any such platforms with
> JAWS?
>
> As noted previously, I think this is an important issue for blind
> lawyers (it certainly is for me) and I think some sort of awareness
> campaign with the providers of discovery platforms would be
> worthwhile.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Ger
>
> On 7/5/16, Gerard Sadlier
> <gerard.sadlier at gmail.com<mailto:gerard.sadlier at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Obviously I won't be able to make it, just a note though to say that
> it sounds like a really lovely idea.
>
> Ger
>
> On 7/5/16, Fadeia Hossian
> fadeia.hossian at gmail.com<mailto:fadeia.hossian at gmail.com> [soviluk]
> <soviluk at yahoogroups.co.uk<mailto:soviluk at yahoogroups.co.uk>> wrote:
> Many thanks. Very interested in taking part if it is at thee weekend.
> Regards
> Fadeia
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 5 Jul 2016, at 16:40, "jeremy browne
> jeremy at bpssolicitors.co.uk<mailto:jeremy at bpssolicitors.co.uk>
> [soviluk]" <soviluk at yahoogroups.co.uk<mailto:soviluk at yahoogroups.co.uk>>
> wrote:
>
> Hi All, One of the possible events we discussed at a recent
> committee meeting was a walk along part of the towpath of the
> Thames, ending at a pub for a drink or meal. (and possibly
> beginning at one as well). I volunteered to do a recce and was
> thinking of the stretch from Richmond down to Chiswick, which is
> about 3-4 miles of flat walking. Before I try and explore the
> route, it would be useful to know whether this was a popular
> idea. We could either do it one early evening in August, say
> starting around 5,30 or 6Pm or alternatively perhaps a Sunday
> afternoon, though London Transport sometimes make it hard to get
> around on a Sunday. Anyway, with apologies that this is London
> centred, could anyone interested get back to me with ideas, or
> preferences as to time. Jeremy.
>
>
>
>
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From mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com  Wed Jul  6 00:19:15 2016
From: mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com (Marcos Rodrigues)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 20:19:15 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Accebility of IDiscovery software
Message-ID: <BAY405-EAS398586B4E04D19F3AAF8D6ECD3A0@phx.gbl>

Hi guys:

Here is the response of the relativity representative about the accessibility of the product.

Since I turn the job down for personal reasons, I did not test the product.

Regards.

Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Marcos Rodrigues <mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com>
> Date: May 27, 2016 at 11:18:24 AM EDT
> To: Jason Jaroch <jjaroch at kcura.com>
> Subject: Re: Accessibility of Relativity with screen readers
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> If I start the jib, is there someone from the support team I can call?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 27, 2016, at 11:10 AM, Jason Jaroch <jjaroch at kcura.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Marcos,
>>  
>> As more information comes to light, I’ll be sure to keep you informed.
>>  
>> Thanks,
>>  
>> Jason Jaroch | kCura
>> direct: (312) 870-5579 
>> mobile: (312) 771-8348
>> jjaroch at kcura.com
>>  
>> <image001.png><image002.png><image003.png><image004.png>
>>  
>> From: Marcos Rodrigues [mailto:mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com] 
>> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 3:21 PM
>> To: Jason Jaroch
>> Subject: Re: Accessibility of Relativity with screen readers
>>  
>> Thanks.
>>  
>> If you get more information, please let me know.
>>  
>> Regards.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On May 26, 2016, at 3:50 PM, Jason Jaroch <jjaroch at kcura.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Marcos,
>>  
>> After conferring with our User Experience team, we believe Relativity is usable with screen readers, but it could be frustrating, and we don't know if things like redactions are possible with screen readers.
>>  
>> We have a large government agency who was using screen readers and while they submitted a list of issues, we were able resolve or talk about the workarounds for some of them, so I assume they’re seeing ok results.
>>  
>> I unfortunately, don't have much more information beyond this and what I had previously provided.
>>  
>> Jason Jaroch | kCura
>> direct: (312) 870-5579 
>> mobile: (312) 771-8348
>> jjaroch at kcura.com
>>  
>> <image001.png><image002.png><image003.png><image004.png>
>>  
>> From: Marcos Rodrigues [mailto:mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com] 
>> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 2:31 PM
>> To: Jason Jaroch
>> Subject: Re: Accessibility of Relativity with screen readers
>>  
>> Dear Jason, good afternoon:
>>  
>> I just received an invitation to work on a project doing Document Review in Portuguese using relativity.
>>  
>> I did not give them an answer because I do not know your position about the accessibility of the software concerning the document review platform.
>>  
>> Can you please update me as soon as possible (they need a response by tomorrow otherwise I will be cut off the project)?
>>  
>> If you need to call me, my number is 614-558-7185.
>>  
>> Regards.
>> Marcos Rodrigues
>> mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> On May 20, 2016, at 12:10, Marcos Rodrigues <mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>  
>> Dear Jason, good afternoon:
>>  
>> Can you please give me a position about this matter?
>>  
>> Regards.
>> Marcos Rodrigues
>> mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> On May 6, 2016, at 16:31, Marcos Rodrigues <mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>  
>> Good afternoon:
>>  
>> Do you have any position regarding this matter?
>>  
>> I went to a job interview and they are asking about the accessibility of relativity regarding the document review platform.
>>  
>> Regards.
>> Marcos Rodrigues
>> mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> On Apr 15, 2016, at 10:15, Marcos Rodrigues <mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>  
>> Good morning:
>>  
>> I am a blind recent graduate trying to start doing document review.
>>  
>> Since most of the companies use relativity as their document review software and from what I have researched, I am not sure if relativity is accessible to screen reader users, specially the document review platform.
>>  
>> Since you are the last representative of the company that addressed this issue in 2014 (regarding relativity version 9.0), can you give some more information about the accessibility of relativity and its document review platform.
>>  
>> Regards.
>> Marcos Rodrigues
>> mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  

From mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com  Wed Jul  6 00:23:25 2016
From: mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com (Marcos Rodrigues)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 20:23:25 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Accessibility of Idiscovery software
Message-ID: <BAY405-EAS264543594FFBDB37C7BABBCD3A0@phx.gbl>



Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Marcos Rodrigues <mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com>
> Date: May 20, 2016 at 12:56:45 PM EDT
> To: Jason Jaroch <jjaroch at kcura.com>
> Subject: Re: Accessibility of Relativity with screen readers
> 
> Ok, thanks.
> 
> When can you give me a definite response?
> 
> I need it to provide to a potential employer.
> 
> Regards.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 20, 2016, at 12:36 PM, Jason Jaroch <jjaroch at kcura.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Marcos,
>>  
>> I’m following up with our User Experience team for more information, but I do know that while all areas of the viewer are navigable by the screen reader, the workflow of the viewer might not make it easy for the screen readers to easily jump from one section to the next. Additionally, all form fields should be accessible by screen readers, so coding shouldn’t be a problem.
>>  
>> There are some other formatting considerations, but I’ve asked to team for any and all documented feedback or anecdotal insight into the feasibility of a blind person conducting a doc review in Relativity using screen readers, and whether we’d advise for or against it.
>>  
>> Thanks,
>>  
>> Jason Jaroch | kCura
>> direct: (312) 870-5579 
>> mobile: (312) 771-8348
>> jjaroch at kcura.com
>>  
>> <image001.png><image002.png><image003.png><image004.png>
>>  
>> From: Marcos Rodrigues [mailto:mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com] 
>> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 11:10 AM
>> To: Jason Jaroch
>> Subject: Re: Accessibility of Relativity with screen readers
>>  
>> Dear Jason, good afternoon:
>>  
>> Can you please give me a position about this matter?
>>  
>> Regards.
>> Marcos Rodrigues
>> mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> On May 6, 2016, at 16:31, Marcos Rodrigues <mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>  
>> Good afternoon:
>>  
>> Do you have any position regarding this matter?
>>  
>> I went to a job interview and they are asking about the accessibility of relativity regarding the document review platform.
>>  
>> Regards.
>> Marcos Rodrigues
>> mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> On Apr 15, 2016, at 10:15, Marcos Rodrigues <mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>  
>> Good morning:
>>  
>> I am a blind recent graduate trying to start doing document review.
>>  
>> Since most of the companies use relativity as their document review software and from what I have researched, I am not sure if relativity is accessible to screen reader users, specially the document review platform.
>>  
>> Since you are the last representative of the company that addressed this issue in 2014 (regarding relativity version 9.0), can you give some more information about the accessibility of relativity and its document review platform.
>>  
>> Regards.
>> Marcos Rodrigues
>> mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  

From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com  Wed Jul  6 00:51:52 2016
From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 01:51:52 +0100
Subject: [blindlaw] Accessibility of Idiscovery software
In-Reply-To: <BAY405-EAS264543594FFBDB37C7BABBCD3A0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY405-EAS264543594FFBDB37C7BABBCD3A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAGZitzJpPnMNc6g5JPqRSDQM63TY-TVh3WcxhGxEp99Ky7RYpA@mail.gmail.com>

Marcus,

Thank you for sending this through. It is not an especially clear or
encouraging response I must say.

I recall some discussion on the list in April of means of addressing
this issue with discovery platform providers. Did anything come of
that?

I would of course be very interested in the experiences of others,
using other platforms or Relativity.

Thanks

G

On 7/6/16, Marcos Rodrigues via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: Marcos Rodrigues <mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com>
>> Date: May 20, 2016 at 12:56:45 PM EDT
>> To: Jason Jaroch <jjaroch at kcura.com>
>> Subject: Re: Accessibility of Relativity with screen readers
>>
>> Ok, thanks.
>>
>> When can you give me a definite response?
>>
>> I need it to provide to a potential employer.
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On May 20, 2016, at 12:36 PM, Jason Jaroch <jjaroch at kcura.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Marcos,
>>>
>>> I’m following up with our User Experience team for more information, but
>>> I do know that while all areas of the viewer are navigable by the screen
>>> reader, the workflow of the viewer might not make it easy for the screen
>>> readers to easily jump from one section to the next. Additionally, all
>>> form fields should be accessible by screen readers, so coding shouldn’t
>>> be a problem.
>>>
>>> There are some other formatting considerations, but I’ve asked to team
>>> for any and all documented feedback or anecdotal insight into the
>>> feasibility of a blind person conducting a doc review in Relativity using
>>> screen readers, and whether we’d advise for or against it.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Jason Jaroch | kCura
>>> direct: (312) 870-5579
>>> mobile: (312) 771-8348
>>> jjaroch at kcura.com
>>>
>>> <image001.png><image002.png><image003.png><image004.png>
>>>
>>> From: Marcos Rodrigues [mailto:mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com]
>>> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 11:10 AM
>>> To: Jason Jaroch
>>> Subject: Re: Accessibility of Relativity with screen readers
>>>
>>> Dear Jason, good afternoon:
>>>
>>> Can you please give me a position about this matter?
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>> Marcos Rodrigues
>>> mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 6, 2016, at 16:31, Marcos Rodrigues <mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Good afternoon:
>>>
>>> Do you have any position regarding this matter?
>>>
>>> I went to a job interview and they are asking about the accessibility of
>>> relativity regarding the document review platform.
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>> Marcos Rodrigues
>>> mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 15, 2016, at 10:15, Marcos Rodrigues <mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Good morning:
>>>
>>> I am a blind recent graduate trying to start doing document review.
>>>
>>> Since most of the companies use relativity as their document review
>>> software and from what I have researched, I am not sure if relativity is
>>> accessible to screen reader users, specially the document review
>>> platform.
>>>
>>> Since you are the last representative of the company that addressed this
>>> issue in 2014 (regarding relativity version 9.0), can you give some more
>>> information about the accessibility of relativity and its document review
>>> platform.
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>> Marcos Rodrigues
>>> mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From ETroutman at BrooksPierce.com  Wed Jul  6 12:36:28 2016
From: ETroutman at BrooksPierce.com (Elizabeth Troutman)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 12:36:28 +0000
Subject: [blindlaw] Accessibility of eDiscovery Platforms Using JAWS?
Message-ID: <CABF6BB5407136429B53A0950AF860BA3A6D6218@GSOEXC1.bpmhl.com>

Hi all,

Both Eclipse and Relativity have the capacity to generate an excel file, even limited by a particular search or set of documents - or for your whole production. Eclipse can't interface with JAWS, so you have to get somebody else to do it. Relativity does interface with JAWS (though not well - so if you have a larger support staff, it's not a bad idea to teach them how to do it). The excel file can include "tags," and other information about each item, as well as a link to an OCR'd PDF (embedded in the excel) of the document. You can read and take notes, in the excel, and then run it back through Relativity or Eclipse so that your notations and tags are incorporated into the platform. Sometimes, if you are working with a massive production, the excel gets cranky with too many entries, so it's better to do it in batches of about 5,000 documents. I also use this trick to generate an excel list of all documents responsive to a particular request or a privilege log - you generate the excel without the embedded document and then you can turn that into a chart or list.

I will go on Relativity and type out directions on how to do this, and get our litigation support person to type out directions for Eclipse, and circulate in the next few days. I don't know about any other platforms, and I think there is a lot more these vendors could be doing to increase access.	

Elizabeth

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From mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com  Wed Jul  6 12:53:46 2016
From: mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com (Marcos Rodrigues)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 08:53:46 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Accessibility of eDiscovery Platforms Using JAWS?
In-Reply-To: <CABF6BB5407136429B53A0950AF860BA3A6D6218@GSOEXC1.bpmhl.com>
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Message-ID: <BAY405-EAS162B854C081274C6E5BA5D3CD3A0@phx.gbl>

Can we do document review using relativity?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 6, 2016, at 8:37 AM, Elizabeth Troutman via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Both Eclipse and Relativity have the capacity to generate an excel file, even limited by a particular search or set of documents - or for your whole production. Eclipse can't interface with JAWS, so you have to get somebody else to do it. Relativity does interface with JAWS (though not well - so if you have a larger support staff, it's not a bad idea to teach them how to do it). The excel file can include "tags," and other information about each item, as well as a link to an OCR'd PDF (embedded in the excel) of the document. You can read and take notes, in the excel, and then run it back through Relativity or Eclipse so that your notations and tags are incorporated into the platform. Sometimes, if you are working with a massive production, the excel gets cranky with too many entries, so it's better to do it in batches of about 5,000 documents. I also use this trick to generate an excel list of all documents responsive to a particular request or a privilege log - you generate the excel without the embedded document and then you can turn that into a chart or list.
> 
> I will go on Relativity and type out directions on how to do this, and get our litigation support person to type out directions for Eclipse, and circulate in the next few days. I don't know about any other platforms, and I think there is a lot more these vendors could be doing to increase access.    
> 
> Elizabeth
> 
> Elizabeth Troutman
> etroutman at brookspierce.com
> 
> Brooks Pierce 
> 2000 Renaissance Plaza
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From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com  Wed Jul  6 17:52:33 2016
From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 18:52:33 +0100
Subject: [blindlaw] Accessibility of eDiscovery Platforms Using JAWS?
In-Reply-To: <BAY405-EAS162B854C081274C6E5BA5D3CD3A0@phx.gbl>
References: <CABF6BB5407136429B53A0950AF860BA3A6D6218@GSOEXC1.bpmhl.com>
	<BAY405-EAS162B854C081274C6E5BA5D3CD3A0@phx.gbl>
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Elizabeth

That is extremely helpful and is certainly (limited) progress.

I can  certainly understand that limited features of these systems
e.g. redaction using JAWS may be really tricky. I think one needs to
see and be able to redact the original image, since it is the image
that will be produced ultimately and I think that in fairness that
simply isn't possible with JAWS. (it would of course be possible using
magnification but that's not relevant for me.)

However, most features should be accessible. The documents being
reviewed have been converted to text using (what is usually) state of
the art OCR. So, the system has text for all the review documents in
it.

It is merely a matter of these vendors making a system that is
accessible, so that one can conduct searches (which loads of databases
manage), navigate to the text view of particular documents - a simple
button would suffice and then tag a document as privileged, not
privileged, (in Ireland at least responsive to a particular category
of discovery - I don't know US Federal or State procedure on this
point).

That cannot be beyond the powers of computer programmers at this point in time?!

Kind regards

Ger


On 7/6/16, Marcos Rodrigues via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Can we do document review using relativity?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 6, 2016, at 8:37 AM, Elizabeth Troutman via BlindLaw
>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Both Eclipse and Relativity have the capacity to generate an excel file,
>> even limited by a particular search or set of documents - or for your
>> whole production. Eclipse can't interface with JAWS, so you have to get
>> somebody else to do it. Relativity does interface with JAWS (though not
>> well - so if you have a larger support staff, it's not a bad idea to teach
>> them how to do it). The excel file can include "tags," and other
>> information about each item, as well as a link to an OCR'd PDF (embedded
>> in the excel) of the document. You can read and take notes, in the excel,
>> and then run it back through Relativity or Eclipse so that your notations
>> and tags are incorporated into the platform. Sometimes, if you are working
>> with a massive production, the excel gets cranky with too many entries, so
>> it's better to do it in batches of about 5,000 documents. I also use this
>> trick to generate an excel list of all documents responsive to a
>> particular request or a privilege log - you generate the excel without the
>> embedded document and then you can turn that into a chart or list.
>>
>> I will go on Relativity and type out directions on how to do this, and get
>> our litigation support person to type out directions for Eclipse, and
>> circulate in the next few days. I don't know about any other platforms,
>> and I think there is a lot more these vendors could be doing to increase
>> access.
>>
>> Elizabeth
>>
>> Elizabeth Troutman
>> etroutman at brookspierce.com
>>
>> Brooks Pierce
>> 2000 Renaissance Plaza
>> 230 North Elm Street
>> Greensboro, NC  27401
>> T 336-271-3138
>> F 336-232-9138
>> http://www.brookspierce.com
>>
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From ETroutman at BrooksPierce.com  Thu Jul  7 12:58:51 2016
From: ETroutman at BrooksPierce.com (Elizabeth Troutman)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 12:58:51 +0000
Subject: [blindlaw] Accessibility of eDiscovery Platforms Using JAWS?
Message-ID: <CABF6BB5407136429B53A0950AF860BA3A6EFD78@GSOEXC1.bpmhl.com>

JAWS interfaces with Relativity - that's a step up from Eclipse. But I haven't been able to actually review documents, search, or tag on it. I can create an excel because there is a button for that, but even then, it's a pain to navigate to the button. That's why I do the substantive work in excel and have someone else run my notations back through. (Side note: our guys are on vacation this week so it will be next week before I circulate instructions). Relativity says it works best with Chrome, which may cause some of the problems too. Still, there's no reason why a web-based service can't be made to function with JAWS. 

As discussed at the meeting, we need to get law firms across the country to put pressure on these vendors. I am optimistic I can marshal the corporate firms here in N.C. if they are part of a bigger movement. I know someone else may be organizing this effort already - if so, speak up. Otherwise, email me off-line if you're interested in helping out.

Elizabeth Troutman
etroutman at brookspierce.com

Brooks Pierce 
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From rene0373 at gmail.com  Thu Jul  7 15:44:23 2016
From: rene0373 at gmail.com (Elizabeth Rene)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 08:44:23 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Accessibility of eDiscovery Platforms ...
Message-ID: <91A57E44-3EBE-41F9-A190-6F462E62414A@gmail.com>

Hi all,
Having read the last few posts with keen interest, I'm beginning to wonder whether it isn't time for the blind legal community and for other like groups  to insist to Freedom Scientific that it produce versions of JAWS that are compatible with the leading professional software programs. 
Haven"t the days of one-size-fits-all passed? Isn't it time for blind lawyers to stop saying to employers, to opposing counsel, and to the court, "I'm sorry, but JAWS won't do that?" 
With the prices charged for JAWS, and with Apple/VoiceOver's stiff competition, should we continue to spend hours and hours crafting work-arounds when we should be practicing law?
I'm growing impatient with hostagehood to the technology that was developed to serve us.  
We are the consumers.

Elizabeth M René 
Attorney at Law 
WSBA #10710 
KCBA #21824
rene0373 at gmail.com 

From Attorney at alcidonislaw.com  Thu Jul  7 16:19:23 2016
From: Attorney at alcidonislaw.com (Rod Alcidonis, Esquire)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 12:19:23 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Accessibility of eDiscovery Platforms ...
In-Reply-To: <91A57E44-3EBE-41F9-A190-6F462E62414A@gmail.com>
References: <91A57E44-3EBE-41F9-A190-6F462E62414A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1FEA508D23114FDAA889CADB15CD633A@RodTHINK>

Elizabeth:

Government institutions represent the main cause of the problem. As long as 
they keep purchasing JAWS without any demands from Freedom Scientific, each 
update to the software will continue to be full of gimmicks ant not much to 
be helpful in a job environment. If Freedom Scientific was a company truly 
committed to accessibility and not just its bottom line, by now it would 
fully support at least one major accounting software, legal practice 
management software, and Etc.. This will happen only when the folks who 
subsidize its existence begin to mount sufficient pressure to change the 
status quo. Because the company fail so miserably in that department, I find 
it to be a joke to continue to refer to JAWS as "Job Access With Speech" and 
not as something else.

Currently, sound engineers have to work on their own accessibility package 
to operate their studios. Lawyers have to develop custom scripts to get 
basic access to case management software; accountants are in the same boat. 
call center technologies have been left behind. Educators barely have access 
to modern applications. But some how, Freedom Scientific remains the only 
king in the industry.



Rod Alcidonis, Esq.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw
Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 11:44 AM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Cc: Elizabeth Rene
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Accessibility of eDiscovery Platforms ...

Hi all,
Having read the last few posts with keen interest, I'm beginning to wonder 
whether it isn't time for the blind legal community and for other like 
groups  to insist to Freedom Scientific that it produce versions of JAWS 
that are compatible with the leading professional software programs.
Haven"t the days of one-size-fits-all passed? Isn't it time for blind 
lawyers to stop saying to employers, to opposing counsel, and to the court, 
"I'm sorry, but JAWS won't do that?"
With the prices charged for JAWS, and with Apple/VoiceOver's stiff 
competition, should we continue to spend hours and hours crafting 
work-arounds when we should be practicing law?
I'm growing impatient with hostagehood to the technology that was developed 
to serve us.
We are the consumers.

Elizabeth M René
Attorney at Law
WSBA #10710
KCBA #21824
rene0373 at gmail.com
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From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com  Thu Jul  7 19:06:51 2016
From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 20:06:51 +0100
Subject: [blindlaw] Accessibility of eDiscovery Platforms ...
In-Reply-To: <1FEA508D23114FDAA889CADB15CD633A@RodTHINK>
References: <91A57E44-3EBE-41F9-A190-6F462E62414A@gmail.com>
	<1FEA508D23114FDAA889CADB15CD633A@RodTHINK>
Message-ID: <CAGZitzJUQCPyquRhoEBNMfexDzz+4EvA7qT3fKKNLnZDdCWUOw@mail.gmail.com>

All,

I largely agree with all that has been said about JAWS and I think its
days are numbered unless it really gets its act together. I at least
am seriously considering moving to NVDA permanently/fully and given
that NVDA is free, once lost, customers of JAWS will not be back.

Discovery platforms are reasonably specialized and I can understand
that may be a nitch market but the point made about accounting
software for example is telling! (I happen not to need access to such
myself on a regular basis at the moment but that isn't really the
point.)

I take it though that Freedom Scientific are aware how significant the
access problems are with discovery platforms?

Many thanks

Ger

On 7/7/16, Rod Alcidonis, Esquire via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Elizabeth:
>
> Government institutions represent the main cause of the problem. As long as
> they keep purchasing JAWS without any demands from Freedom Scientific, each
> update to the software will continue to be full of gimmicks ant not much to
> be helpful in a job environment. If Freedom Scientific was a company truly
> committed to accessibility and not just its bottom line, by now it would
> fully support at least one major accounting software, legal practice
> management software, and Etc.. This will happen only when the folks who
> subsidize its existence begin to mount sufficient pressure to change the
> status quo. Because the company fail so miserably in that department, I find
> it to be a joke to continue to refer to JAWS as "Job Access With Speech" and
> not as something else.
>
> Currently, sound engineers have to work on their own accessibility package
> to operate their studios. Lawyers have to develop custom scripts to get
> basic access to case management software; accountants are in the same boat.
> call center technologies have been left behind. Educators barely have access
> to modern applications. But some how, Freedom Scientific remains the only
> king in the industry.
>
>
>
> Rod Alcidonis, Esq.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw
> Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 11:44 AM
> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Elizabeth Rene
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Accessibility of eDiscovery Platforms ...
>
> Hi all,
> Having read the last few posts with keen interest, I'm beginning to wonder
> whether it isn't time for the blind legal community and for other like
> groups  to insist to Freedom Scientific that it produce versions of JAWS
> that are compatible with the leading professional software programs.
> Haven"t the days of one-size-fits-all passed? Isn't it time for blind
> lawyers to stop saying to employers, to opposing counsel, and to the court,
> "I'm sorry, but JAWS won't do that?"
> With the prices charged for JAWS, and with Apple/VoiceOver's stiff
> competition, should we continue to spend hours and hours crafting
> work-arounds when we should be practicing law?
> I'm growing impatient with hostagehood to the technology that was developed
> to serve us.
> We are the consumers.
>
> Elizabeth M René
> Attorney at Law
> WSBA #10710
> KCBA #21824
> rene0373 at gmail.com
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From Yasmin.Reyazuddin at montgomerycountymd.gov  Thu Jul  7 19:27:45 2016
From: Yasmin.Reyazuddin at montgomerycountymd.gov (Reyazuddin, Yasmin)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 19:27:45 +0000
Subject: [blindlaw] Accessibility of eDiscovery Platforms ...
In-Reply-To: <CAGZitzJUQCPyquRhoEBNMfexDzz+4EvA7qT3fKKNLnZDdCWUOw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <91A57E44-3EBE-41F9-A190-6F462E62414A@gmail.com>
	<1FEA508D23114FDAA889CADB15CD633A@RodTHINK>
	<CAGZitzJUQCPyquRhoEBNMfexDzz+4EvA7qT3fKKNLnZDdCWUOw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CY1PR09MB05400C187E752C093A667433823B0@CY1PR09MB0540.namprd09.prod.outlook.com>

Dear friends, 
On July 5, one of the presidential candidate made a very important comment. 
The workplaces are changing, it is about time that the policies change too. 
I believe that workplace technology has changed quite a lot in the last few years. 
JAWS and other access technologies always have to play the catch-up game with whatever changes are made in workplace technology. 
If the workplace technology companies such as Oracle and Microsoft make their products more readily accessible with screen reading software, it will be helpful. 
Do not forget that even if the software claims to be accessible, the system integrators, (the software experts who set up the system for big and small government entities) have to know about access technology. 
I mean not some people who know very little about access technology because their phone makes the noise on who is calling. 
I have met some of these so called experts who have no knowledge about access technology. 
Thanks for reading. 



Yasmin Reyazuddin 
Aging & Disability Services 
Montgomery County Government 
Department of Health & Human Services 
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Rockville MD 20850 
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From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 3:07 PM
To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Gerard Sadlier <gerard.sadlier at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Accessibility of eDiscovery Platforms ...

All,

I largely agree with all that has been said about JAWS and I think its days are numbered unless it really gets its act together. I at least am seriously considering moving to NVDA permanently/fully and given that NVDA is free, once lost, customers of JAWS will not be back.

Discovery platforms are reasonably specialized and I can understand that may be a nitch market but the point made about accounting software for example is telling! (I happen not to need access to such myself on a regular basis at the moment but that isn't really the
point.)

I take it though that Freedom Scientific are aware how significant the access problems are with discovery platforms?

Many thanks

Ger

On 7/7/16, Rod Alcidonis, Esquire via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Elizabeth:
>
> Government institutions represent the main cause of the problem. As 
> long as they keep purchasing JAWS without any demands from Freedom 
> Scientific, each update to the software will continue to be full of 
> gimmicks ant not much to be helpful in a job environment. If Freedom 
> Scientific was a company truly committed to accessibility and not just 
> its bottom line, by now it would fully support at least one major 
> accounting software, legal practice management software, and Etc.. 
> This will happen only when the folks who subsidize its existence begin 
> to mount sufficient pressure to change the status quo. Because the 
> company fail so miserably in that department, I find it to be a joke 
> to continue to refer to JAWS as "Job Access With Speech" and not as something else.
>
> Currently, sound engineers have to work on their own accessibility 
> package to operate their studios. Lawyers have to develop custom 
> scripts to get basic access to case management software; accountants are in the same boat.
> call center technologies have been left behind. Educators barely have 
> access to modern applications. But somehow, Freedom Scientific 
> remains the only king in the industry.
>
>
>
> Rod Alcidonis, Esq.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw
> Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 11:44 AM
> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Elizabeth Rene
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Accessibility of eDiscovery Platforms ...
>
> Hi all,
> Having read the last few posts with keen interest, I'm beginning to 
> wonder whether it isn't time for the blind legal community and for 
> other like groups  to insist to Freedom Scientific that it produce 
> versions of JAWS that are compatible with the leading professional software programs.
> Haven't the days of one-size-fits-all passed? Isn't it time for blind 
> lawyers to stop saying to employers, to opposing counsel, and to the 
> court, "I'm sorry, but JAWS won't do that?"
> With the prices charged for JAWS, and with Apple/Voiceover's stiff 
> competition, should we continue to spend hours and hours crafting 
> work-arounds when we should be practicing law?
> I'm growing impatient with hostage hood to the technology that was 
> developed to serve us.
> We are the consumers.
>
> Elizabeth M René
> Attorney at Law
> WSBA #10710
> KCBA #21824
> rene0373 at gmail.com
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From gmelconian619 at gmail.com  Thu Jul  7 20:10:02 2016
From: gmelconian619 at gmail.com (gary melconian)
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2016 13:10:02 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Accessibility of eDiscovery Platforms ...
In-Reply-To: <1FEA508D23114FDAA889CADB15CD633A@RodTHINK>
References: <91A57E44-3EBE-41F9-A190-6F462E62414A@gmail.com>
	<1FEA508D23114FDAA889CADB15CD633A@RodTHINK>
Message-ID: <155c6fb39a8.279c.76f7706a0d51902714afda849d7cf02f@gmail.com>

Agree with this post.


On July 7, 2016 9:20:59 AM "Rod Alcidonis, Esquire via BlindLaw" 
<blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Elizabeth:
>
> Government institutions represent the main cause of the problem. As long as
> they keep purchasing JAWS without any demands from Freedom Scientific, each
> update to the software will continue to be full of gimmicks ant not much to
> be helpful in a job environment. If Freedom Scientific was a company truly
> committed to accessibility and not just its bottom line, by now it would
> fully support at least one major accounting software, legal practice
> management software, and Etc.. This will happen only when the folks who
> subsidize its existence begin to mount sufficient pressure to change the
> status quo. Because the company fail so miserably in that department, I find
> it to be a joke to continue to refer to JAWS as "Job Access With Speech" and
> not as something else.
>
> Currently, sound engineers have to work on their own accessibility package
> to operate their studios. Lawyers have to develop custom scripts to get
> basic access to case management software; accountants are in the same boat.
> call center technologies have been left behind. Educators barely have access
> to modern applications. But some how, Freedom Scientific remains the only
> king in the industry.
>
>
>
> Rod Alcidonis, Esq.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw
> Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 11:44 AM
> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Elizabeth Rene
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Accessibility of eDiscovery Platforms ...
>
> Hi all,
> Having read the last few posts with keen interest, I'm beginning to wonder
> whether it isn't time for the blind legal community and for other like
> groups  to insist to Freedom Scientific that it produce versions of JAWS
> that are compatible with the leading professional software programs.
> Haven"t the days of one-size-fits-all passed? Isn't it time for blind
> lawyers to stop saying to employers, to opposing counsel, and to the court,
> "I'm sorry, but JAWS won't do that?"
> With the prices charged for JAWS, and with Apple/VoiceOver's stiff
> competition, should we continue to spend hours and hours crafting
> work-arounds when we should be practicing law?
> I'm growing impatient with hostagehood to the technology that was developed
> to serve us.
> We are the consumers.
>
> Elizabeth M René
> Attorney at Law
> WSBA #10710
> KCBA #21824
> rene0373 at gmail.com
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From ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com  Thu Jul  7 23:47:33 2016
From: ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com (Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 17:47:33 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] {Spam?} Re:  Accessibility of eDiscovery Platforms ...
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I'm sure that most are aware that Window-Eyes, which once upon a time was 
the competition, is now a strange bedfellow with Freedom Scientific!  It has 
been acquired by the VFO Group--whatever those acronyms may mean--and I 
think it won't be long before zero competition takes stage.

They all tout Quickbooks accessibility; but I can't even use QuickPay, the 
Point of Sale interface to Quickbooks! And, yikes, you have to deploy 
Quickbooks 2015!  I've not been able to take either screen reader on a real 
test drive using Quickbooks just so I can get a clear understanding of what 
constitutes accessibility.

As long as accessibility remains an afterthought, the pathway forward will 
be a steep climb.  This is why for me I am not certain as to whether ADA is 
a blessing or an additional curse!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado 


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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Fri Jul  8 17:49:17 2016
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 17:49:17 +0000
Subject: [blindlaw] Legal Assistant Opportunity in Columbia City Seattle
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From: MountBakerParents at yahoogroups.com [mailto:MountBakerParents at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeannie O'Brien Jeannie at selanderobrien.com [MountBakerParents]
Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 2:57 PM
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Cc: Ken Selander <ken at selanderobrien.com>
Subject: [MountBakerParents] Legal Assistant Opportunity in Columbia City



Do you know a recent college grad interested in a legal career, looking for practical experience before law school? We would love to meet with him or her! We are looking to fill our front desk with a personable greeter, to answer the door and the phones. The ideal candidate is self-motivated, follows directions and learns quickly. This person would also support Ken in his personal injury practice with the following duties: requesting records, talking to insurance adjusters, drafting letters and court documents.   The person in this full time job also acts as a witness during my Will signings.  If your grad has strong verbal and writing skills, this is a good opportunity to get a glimpse of the legal arena.  Please have your candidate send a resume, cover letter and two references to ken at selanderobrien.com<mailto:ken at selanderobrien.com>.

Thanks so much, Jeannie

Jeannie O'Brien, Attorney
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From michael.mcglashon at comcast.net  Fri Jul  8 18:56:24 2016
From: michael.mcglashon at comcast.net (mike mcglashon)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 13:56:24 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Legal Assistant Opportunity in Columbia City Seattle
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how do we open these attachments of which you send?
either view slide show or open .png image file?
if sender blind, then how come attached not already converted to accessible 
media?


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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Fri Jul  8 21:55:45 2016
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 21:55:45 +0000
Subject: [blindlaw] {Disarmed} FW: Attorney Vacancies Update
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Civil rights position

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06/30/2016 09:00 PM EDT

Civil Division (CIV)
United States Attorney's Office Connecticut - Bridgeport, New Haven, Hartford
NEW HAVEN, CT
Announcement #: CT-16-003
Application Deadline: July 18, 2016

The Office of the United States Attorney for the District of Connecticut is seeking applications for an Assistant United States Attorney to work in the Affirmative Civil Enforcement and Civil Rights Unit of the office's Civil Division. The position offers a unique and challenging experience for a highly motivated attorney who is interested in working to advance civil rights in Connecticut. The person filling this position will work to advance civil rights through a variety of affirmative civil enforcement practice areas that may include housing and fair lending, ADA enforcement, allegations relating to the Civil Rights of Institutionalized Persons Act, voting rights, service members' rights, pattern and practice policing investigations, and employment discrimination. The person filling the position will also coordinate with the District's Criminal Division in criminal civil rights cases involving human trafficking, hate crimes, and color of law prosecutions. The person filling the position will also work closely with the Department of Justice Civil Rights Division and will develop, implement, and participate in significant community outreach events throughout the district.


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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Fri Jul  8 23:57:55 2016
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 23:57:55 +0000
Subject: [blindlaw] {Disarmed} FW: Attorney Vacancies Update
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Civil rights

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USAO Western District of Virginia

Roanoke, VA
Announcement #: 16-VAW-AUSA-01
Application Deadline: July 15, 2016

The United States Attorney's Office,  Western District of Virginia, is seeking one Civil Rights Assistant United States Attorney who will  be responsible for the investigation and prosecution of criminal civil rights cases and the investigation and litigation of affirmative civil rights enforcement cases.

This position will serve as the Western District of Virginia's primary point of contact for case intake, coordination with federal, state, and local law enforcement, coordination with Department of Justice and federal agency contacts, and communication and outreach with national and state non-governmental organizations to identify and develop action plans for the appropriate enforcement of federal criminal and civil rights laws. The Civil Rights Assistant United States Attorney will handle criminal prosecutions and affirmative civil enforcement actions related to the enforcement and prevention priorities of the Western District of Virginia, will design and implement awareness and outreach efforts related to those actions, and will  liaison with federal, state, and local government agency partners and community stakeholders in joint projects to implement the civil rights priorities of the Department of Justice and the United States Attorney's Office.
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Federal Bureau of Prisons (BOP)
Mid-Atlantic Region, Federal Correctional Complex, Butner, North Carolina
Butner, NC

Application Deadline: July 13, 2016

This is a primary law enforcement position.  In accordance with 5 U.S.C. 3307, the maximum entry age of 36 has been established for initial appointment to a position in a Bureau of Prisons correctional institution.  The duties of this position may at times require frequent and direct contact with individuals in confinement who are suspected or convicted of serious criminal offenses.  It has also been determined that the duties of this position require experience and knowledge of the on-the-job responsibilities of a primary law enforcement officer working in a detention facility.  A prerequisite requirement of this position is the completion of "Institution Familiarization" and the satisfactory completion of a mandatory course in "Introduction to Correctional Techniques."   The training emphasizes self-defense, firearms, security, hostage situations and cardiopulmonary resuscitation.


Because of the nature and mission of this position, it requires "hands-on" understanding of the operating problems encompassed in working within an institution.  The incumbent may be called on to perform as a law enforcement officer in a correctional environment during training, emergency situations, times of staff shortages and under any other type of correctional operating crisis.  Specific correctional responsibilities may include custody and supervision of inmates, responding to emergencies and institution disturbances, participating in fog and escape patrols, and assuming correctional officer posts when necessary.  The incumbent may be required to shakedown inmates and conduct visual searches in their work or living area for contraband.  The incumbent must be prepared to use physical control in situations where necessary, such as in fights among inmates, assaults on staff and riots or escape attempts.


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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Tue Jul 12 20:41:14 2016
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USAO District of Montana
Civil Division
Billings, MT
Announcement #: MT-16-3
Application Deadline: August 2, 2016

The United States Attorney's Office for the District of Montana is seeking to hire an Assistant United States Attorney (AUSA) to work in the Civil Division.  The attorney selected will be assigned as the Civil Rights AUSA.  The primary responsibility of the attorney selected will be to represent the United States in a variety of affirmative civil enforcement litigation actions, including those pertaining to housing and fair lending, ADA enforcement, allegations related to the Civil Rights of Institutional Persons Act, voting rights, service members' rights, and pattern and practice investigations and employment discrimination.  This attorney will also work to protect any vulnerable populations through criminal cases which may include human trafficking, hate crimes, and color of law prosecutions.  The person filling this position will work closely with the Department of Justice Civil Rights Division and will participate in extensive community outreach events throughout the District.  This position may be filled in either the Helena or Billings offices - dependent upon the successful applicant.


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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Wed Jul 13 17:46:08 2016
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Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 17:46:08 +0000
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USAO Western District of Washington
United States Attorney's Office, Western District of Washington
Seattle, WA
Announcement #: 16-WDWA-AUSA-04 (Civil-Seattle/Tacoma)
Application Deadline: July 27, 2016

This position will be located in the Civil Division of the Western District of Washington.  AUSAs in the Civil Division are responsible for representing the United States government and its Departments, agencies and employees in civil litigation filed in the District.  Principal areas of practice include Title VII cases alleging discrimination in hiring and employment practices by agencies and Departments of the United States and defensive cases under the Federal Tort Claim Act including medical malpractice claims arising from treatment at various federal medical facilities, and a variety of other types of personal injury matters.  Other areas of practice include immigration law, breach of government contract, judicial review of administrative findings, injunctive proceedings, bankruptcy, collection of debts owed the United States or its Departments and agencies, affirmative civil enforcement actions.

The Assistant United States Attorneys in the Civil Division participate in litigation at both the trial and appellate levels.  They take depositions, prepare and answer interrogatories, negotiate for settlement, engage in motions practice, try cases in the United States District Court, and write appellate briefs and argue before the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit.

The attorney hired for this position will be assigned to defend the United State is a broad variety of cases.  Candidates for the position with prior experience in the areas of (1) employment law and (2) tort litigation are requested to describe their work in these areas of practice in their cover letter and resume along with any experience relevant to the types of litigation described above.


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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Wed Jul 13 20:50:42 2016
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 20:50:42 +0000
Subject: [blindlaw] {Disarmed} Employment Opportunities in the Disability
	Rights Section
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From: U.S. Department of Justice [mailto:usdoj at public.govdelivery.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 12:08 PM
Subject: Employment Opportunities in the Disability Rights Section


The Disability Rights Section, which is part of the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division, has two employment opportunities available for qualified individuals interested in technical assistance activities that implement civil rights laws designed to protect persons with disabilities from illegal discrimination in employment, public services, and public accommodations and services operated by private entities.  One position is a job-share opening for GS-13/14 Web Content Manager.  The position is half-time (40 hours per two week pay period).  The application period for this position closes on July 22nd.

The other position is for a full-time technical assistance writer (GS-13 Accessibility Specialist) and the application period for this position closes on July 25th.

Information about the openings and application instructions are at the links below.

Web Content Manager

The person selected will share duties directing and managing web-related activities, including the popular Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) website, www.ADA.gov<http://links.govdelivery.com:80/track?type=click&enid=ZWFzPTEmbWFpbGluZ2lkPTIwMTYwNzEzLjYxNTAyNjYxJm1lc3NhZ2VpZD1NREItUFJELUJVTC0yMDE2MDcxMy42MTUwMjY2MSZkYXRhYmFzZWlkPTEwMDEmc2VyaWFsPTE3MDU3NjcyJmVtYWlsaWQ9bm9lbC5uaWdodGluZ2FsZUBlZC5nb3YmdXNlcmlkPW5vZWwubmlnaHRpbmdhbGVAZWQuZ292JmZsPSZleHRyYT1NdWx0aXZhcmlhdGVJZD0mJiY=&&&100&&&https://www.ADA.gov>, and supporting content development as the Section uses the web and mobile apps for ongoing technical assistance activities. The ADA website is one of the Section's major technical assistance activities hosting more than one hundred thousand user sessions per week. The position will share directing the development of sections of the ADA website and migration of the website to Drupal, working closely with other staff that possesses extensive experience with the ADA and technical assistance.

Information about the position and the application process are at USAJobs:

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Technical Assistance Writer (Accessibility Specialist)

The person selected for this position will be responsible for writing technically authoritative technical assistance documents to explain the Department's ADA regulations to a wide variety of nationwide audiences; writing technical assistance content suitable for dissemination using various technologies, including the web, mobile devices, and social media; writes speeches, talking points, and briefing/background materials for Section managers, the Office of the Assistant Attorney General, and other Department officials; and representing the Department at meetings or conferences to deliver speeches and/or training workshops to explain the Department's interpretation of the ADA.

Information about the position and the application process are at USAJobs:

DEU (United States Citizens)

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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Thu Jul 14 21:14:57 2016
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 21:14:57 +0000
Subject: [blindlaw] Columbia Legal Services (Washington) Staff Attorney
	Announcement
Message-ID: <CY1PR09MB11465B7CC1474B2FD2E44A6FF9320@CY1PR09MB1146.namprd09.prod.outlook.com>



From: Annabell Joya [mailto:Annabell.Joya at ColumbiaLegal.org]
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 1:25 PM
To: president at abaw.org
Subject: CLS Staff Attorney Announcement

Good Afternoon,

I would greatly appreciate it if you could help spread the word about our vacancy notice for a staff attorney position.  I have included the link and attachment of the staff attorney position announcement.

http://www.columbialegal.org/sites/default/files/16%200623%20EJP%20Staff%20Attorney%20Announcement.pdf

If you have any questions, please let me know.

Thank you!

Annabell Joya

Annabell Joya, Interim Director of Program Administration
Columbia Legal Services

101 Yesler Way, Suite 300 | Seattle, WA 98104 | (206) 287-9664
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From deepa.goraya at gmail.com  Fri Jul 15 15:19:38 2016
From: deepa.goraya at gmail.com (Deepa Goraya)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 11:19:38 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] stats on blind law students enrolled in BarBri
Message-ID: <CAKs_uDR=Tryn88pbohmg6c1YuL2sGH9DHb4HyjEHuvOrwGn-+Q@mail.gmail.com>

All,

We recently filed a case against BarBri in the northern District of
Texas for lack of accessibility of their online website and mobile
application. BarBri is telling us that they only have about 9 or 10
blind students enrolled in its course per session. For class purposes,
we need to see how many blind students are enrolled in its course over
the past year. We can only go back a year for statute of limitations
purposes. Does anyone know how we can figure this out?

Deepa

DEEPINDER K. GORAYA, ESQ. | STAFF ATTORNEY, DISABILITY RIGHTS PROJECT
WASHINGTON LAWYERS' COMMITTEE FOR CIVIL RIGHTS AND URBAN AFFAIRS
11 Dupont Circle,NW, Suite 400 | Washington, DC  20036
202-319-1000 X132 | Fax 202-319-1010

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that is confidential, privileged and/or attorney work product. If you
are not the intended recipient of this email, please immediately
advise the sender that this message was inadvertently transmitted to
you and delete this message, along with any attachments. Please note
that if you are an attorney who received this email about a
prospective client, you must maintain the confidences of the
prospective client. Thank you for your cooperation.


From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Fri Jul 15 21:40:41 2016
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 21:40:41 +0000
Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Criminal Assistant US Attorney Vacancies in Eugene OR
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References: <d79fa3d7d9af4046857e57882618e945@USAHUBSML115.usa.doj.gov>
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From: Tipton, Jon (USAOR) [mailto:Jon.Tipton at usdoj.gov]
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 2:35 PM
To: Tipton, Jon (USAOR)
Subject: Criminal Assistant US Attorney Vacancies in Eugene OR

Hello,

The Oregon US Attorney's office is hiring multiple attorneys for our criminal section in Eugene, OR. Please disseminate the below to your organizations.

https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/444416600/

Thank you!

Jon

Jonathan Tipton, MA, SPHR
Human Resources Specialist
United States Attorney's Office
District of Oregon
1000 SW 3rd Ave, Suite 600
Portland, OR  97204
Desk: 503-727-1078


From deepa.goraya at gmail.com  Sat Jul 16 16:13:54 2016
From: deepa.goraya at gmail.com (Deepa Goraya)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 12:13:54 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] stats on blind law students enrolled in BarBri
In-Reply-To: <CAKs_uDR=Tryn88pbohmg6c1YuL2sGH9DHb4HyjEHuvOrwGn-+Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKs_uDR=Tryn88pbohmg6c1YuL2sGH9DHb4HyjEHuvOrwGn-+Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00e901d1df7d$0cac9cc0$2605d640$@gmail.com>

To add to my message below, if anyone has taken BarBri starting in 2014 until now, or plans to take Barbri bar review within the next year and is blind or low vision, please contact me. My work email is deepa_goraya at washlaw.org and my phone number is 202-319-1000 ext. 132.

Thanks.

Deepinder K. Goraya, ESQ.

-----Original Message-----
From: Deepa Goraya [mailto:deepa.goraya at gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 11:20 AM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: stats on blind law students enrolled in BarBri

All,

We recently filed a case against BarBri in the northern District of Texas for lack of accessibility of their online website and mobile application. BarBri is telling us that they only have about 9 or 10 blind students enrolled in its course per session. For class purposes, we need to see how many blind students are enrolled in its course over the past year. We can only go back a year for statute of limitations purposes. Does anyone know how we can figure this out?

Deepa

DEEPINDER K. GORAYA, ESQ. | STAFF ATTORNEY, DISABILITY RIGHTS PROJECT WASHINGTON LAWYERS' COMMITTEE FOR CIVIL RIGHTS AND URBAN AFFAIRS
11 Dupont Circle,NW, Suite 400 | Washington, DC  20036
202-319-1000 X132 | Fax 202-319-1010

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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Tue Jul 19 23:12:30 2016
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 23:12:30 +0000
Subject: [blindlaw] {Disarmed} Attorney Employment Opportunity in the
	Disability Rights Section
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References: <17059782.38666@public.govdelivery.com>
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From: U.S. Department of Justice [mailto:usdoj at public.govdelivery.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 3:16 PM
Subject: Attorney Employment Opportunity in the Disability Rights Section


The Disability Rights Section of the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division is hiring an experienced trial attorney (GS-0905-13/15) to work on Olmstead enforcement.  The application period for this position closes on August 2, 2016.

Information about the opening is at the link below.

Trial Attorney

Trial Attorneys are responsible for screening and developing new matters, conducting systemic investigations, litigating complex cases, and monitoring compliance in connection with all aspects of the Disability Rights Section's Olmstead enforcement activities. These duties include, but are not limited to:

  *   Conducting investigations, litigation, negotiations, and compliance monitoring of the Section's Olmstead enforcement matters;
  *   Working with managers to develop and establish strategies and priorities for Olmstead enforcement;
  *   Working independently, and also with team members, in investigating and litigating cases; and
  *   Conducting outreach, training, and technical assistance, as needed.

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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Thu Jul 21 22:58:25 2016
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 22:58:25 +0000
Subject: [blindlaw] Disability Rights Washington,
	hiring for an attorney in Seattle
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From: David Carlson [mailto:davidc at dr-wa.org]
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 12:39 PM
To: Washington State Alliance for Equal Justice Leadership Group
Subject: [atj-leadership] DRW is hiring!

Disability Rights Washington is looking to hire an attorney with 3-5 years of experience for our Seattle office. I would really love any help you can offer with spreading the word to any former attorneys and interns you think would like to continue their fight for social justice by helping the disability rights movement move forward.

http://www.disabilityrightswa.org/job-opening-civil-rights-attorney-washingtonians-disabilities

Thanks,
David

David R. Carlson
Director of Legal Advocacy

Disability Rights Washington
315 5th Avenue S, Suite 850 | Seattle, WA 98104

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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Thu Jul 21 22:59:13 2016
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 22:59:13 +0000
Subject: [blindlaw] {Disarmed} Attorney Vacancies Update - disability rights
 section, Washington D.C.
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From paulharpur at gmail.com  Fri Jul 22 03:13:05 2016
From: paulharpur at gmail.com (Paul Harpur)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 13:13:05 +1000
Subject: [blindlaw] Guidedog verses white cane
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I have a professional and personal question I wanted to ask for people’s views.
I am totally blind and went from using a white cane to my first
guidedog back in law school in 2000.  Since then I have always used a
guidedog.  I tried for a while to use a white cane when my first baby
came home and now that he is 1 I put my name down for a dog again.  I
am not sure how:
1.	A guidedog will go with a crawling baby; and
2.	How I will be received using a white cane in the profession.
Has anyone had experiences good or bad they could share with me?


From david at bakerinet.com  Fri Jul 22 11:50:51 2016
From: david at bakerinet.com (David)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 07:50:51 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] {Spam?} Re:  Guidedog verses white cane
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Dear Paul,  I am partially sighted with about 5 degrees of central vision.

1.  I can't help with the crawling baby issue from a personal experience 
standpoint, but I've seen dogs around babies without issues.  Your 
question is a good one for your guide dog school.

2.  I used a white cane during the last 9 years of my career as general 
counsel of an insurance company.  I met with senior executives and 
general counsel of some of the largest corporations in the U.S.  My 
white cane was an issue for about the first 10 seconds of first meeting 
someone.  It is also a non-issue in court.  I traveled as much as 80,000 
miles a year.  I did lose two canes to limo drivers in Manhattan.  The 
only other negative experience I had was one time when meeting a 
corporate general counsel, he shook my hand with his left hand. I 
stupidly asked him if he had hurt his right hand.  He raised a leather 
covered fist prosthesis and said, "Here."  The meeting was toast.

In my opinion, your acceptance of the white cane by others depends 
entirely upon your attitude, how you feel about it, and how you carry 
yourself.  I find it is the same with a guide dog, but except for bar 
association and board meetings I have not used a guide dog in 
professional settings.

David and Claire Rose in Clearwater, FL

On 7/21/2016 11:13 PM, Paul Harpur via BlindLaw wrote:
> I have a professional and personal question I wanted to ask for people’s views.
> I am totally blind and went from using a white cane to my first
> guidedog back in law school in 2000.  Since then I have always used a
> guidedog.  I tried for a while to use a white cane when my first baby
> came home and now that he is 1 I put my name down for a dog again.  I
> am not sure how:
> 1.	A guidedog will go with a crawling baby; and
> 2.	How I will be received using a white cane in the profession.
> Has anyone had experiences good or bad they could share with me?


From pattischang at gmail.com  Fri Jul 22 17:31:14 2016
From: pattischang at gmail.com (pattischang at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 12:31:14 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] {Spam?} Re:  Guidedog verses white cane
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I have used a white cane for almost my entire 28  year career. I agree that it's only an issue for about the first 10 seconds of  meeting someone. In fact I have supervised four or 500 staff members over my career. If you carry yourself confidently and it's a nonissue for you it will not be an issue for others. As to a guy Doug I am not sure why they would be an issue with the baby. Of course some dogs are better with children than others.


Live the life you want.  Every day we raise the expectations of blind  people in the National Federation of the Blind.

Patti S. Gregory-Chang
NFBI Treasurer
NFB Scholarship Comm. Chair
Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 22, 2016, at 6:50 AM, David via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:

Dear Paul,  I am partially sighted with about 5 degrees of central vision.

1.  I can't help with the crawling baby issue from a personal experience standpoint, but I've seen dogs around babies without issues.  Your question is a good one for your guide dog school.

2.  I used a white cane during the last 9 years of my career as general counsel of an insurance company.  I met with senior executives and general counsel of some of the largest corporations in the U.S.  My white cane was an issue for about the first 10 seconds of first meeting someone.  It is also a non-issue in court.  I traveled as much as 80,000 miles a year.  I did lose two canes to limo drivers in Manhattan.  The only other negative experience I had was one time when meeting a corporate general counsel, he shook my hand with his left hand. I stupidly asked him if he had hurt his right hand.  He raised a leather covered fist prosthesis and said, "Here."  The meeting was toast.

In my opinion, your acceptance of the white cane by others depends entirely upon your attitude, how you feel about it, and how you carry yourself.  I find it is the same with a guide dog, but except for bar association and board meetings I have not used a guide dog in professional settings.

David and Claire Rose in Clearwater, FL

> On 7/21/2016 11:13 PM, Paul Harpur via BlindLaw wrote:
> I have a professional and personal question I wanted to ask for people’s views.
> I am totally blind and went from using a white cane to my first
> guidedog back in law school in 2000.  Since then I have always used a
> guidedog.  I tried for a while to use a white cane when my first baby
> came home and now that he is 1 I put my name down for a dog again.  I
> am not sure how:
> 1.    A guidedog will go with a crawling baby; and
> 2.    How I will be received using a white cane in the profession.
> Has anyone had experiences good or bad they could share with me?

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From jmccarthy at mdtap.org  Fri Jul 22 17:50:10 2016
From: jmccarthy at mdtap.org (Jim McCarthy)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 13:50:10 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] {Spam?} Re:  Guide dog verses white cane
Message-ID: <042201d1e441$7e146cd0$7a3d4670$@mdtap.org>

I think David is right that much of the professional acceptance of either method is based on the comfort or confidence the blind person has with the method chosen. I have not practiced law, but when to law school and have worked in a professional setting following that experience. While in law school, I got my first guide dog and he accompanied me into my early professional career. At the time of his passing, I switch jobs and moved cross country electing a cane for travel. That was fine and I did it for 12 years. I once again have a dog. To me the dog is probably more distracting. People take notice of the dog; some understand it is correct not to take notice; some can't help but take notice; some want to ask all the questions about what in fact the dog does for me; many conclude I couldn't get up in the morning if it weren't for the dog, that though the dog makes sure I get up to feed him just like dogs in any home do and so forth. If one chooses a dog, managing those attitude issues is an obligation he must take on in furtherance of his career, social life and so forth. A cane takes very little space and very little energy. It gets noticed and forgotten. It tells others that you are blind and their responses are to the blindness, not to the cane. The dog does the same in that sense. I can't have a dog in most places unless I am disabled and most people don't bring their pets, even really well behaved ones, into professional meetings. To me there is more that can go wrong with a dog in professional circumstances than with a cane, but I also have very high expectations of proper behavior from my dog and think that in the main, I am at my best with a dog. There are situations when I think I prefer the dog and others when I prefer the cane and I rarely leave home without both. 
Jim McCarthy
-----Original Message-----
From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David via BlindLaw
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 7:51 AM
To: Blind Law Mailing List
Cc: David
Subject: [blindlaw] {Spam?} Re: Guidedog verses white cane

Dear Paul,  I am partially sighted with about 5 degrees of central vision.

1.  I can't help with the crawling baby issue from a personal experience standpoint, but I've seen dogs around babies without issues.  Your question is a good one for your guide dog school.

2.  I used a white cane during the last 9 years of my career as general counsel of an insurance company.  I met with senior executives and general counsel of some of the largest corporations in the U.S.  My white cane was an issue for about the first 10 seconds of first meeting someone.  It is also a non-issue in court.  I traveled as much as 80,000 miles a year.  I did lose two canes to limo drivers in Manhattan.  The only other negative experience I had was one time when meeting a corporate general counsel, he shook my hand with his left hand. I stupidly asked him if he had hurt his right hand.  He raised a leather covered fist prosthesis and said, "Here."  The meeting was toast.

In my opinion, your acceptance of the white cane by others depends entirely upon your attitude, how you feel about it, and how you carry yourself.  I find it is the same with a guide dog, but except for bar association and board meetings I have not used a guide dog in professional settings.

David and Claire Rose in Clearwater, FL

On 7/21/2016 11:13 PM, Paul Harpur via BlindLaw wrote:
> I have a professional and personal question I wanted to ask for people’s views.
> I am totally blind and went from using a white cane to my first 
> guidedog back in law school in 2000.  Since then I have always used a 
> guidedog.  I tried for a while to use a white cane when my first baby 
> came home and now that he is 1 I put my name down for a dog again.  I 
> am not sure how:
> 1.	A guidedog will go with a crawling baby; and
> 2.	How I will be received using a white cane in the profession.
> Has anyone had experiences good or bad they could share with me?

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From mrallman116 at gmail.com  Sat Jul 23 12:46:30 2016
From: mrallman116 at gmail.com (Melissa Allman)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 07:46:30 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] {Spam?} Re:  Guide dog verses white cane
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Jim, I want to let you know how much I appreciate your response. I completely agree with what you said about the cane. I am totally blind an have used one since I was a young child and don't go anywhere without it. However, I am now beginning the application process for a guide dog, which is an exciting, scary, and very big step for me. I moved to Chicago  months ago after living somewhere for 10 years where things often werent' that walkable and public transportation was pretty limited.

Having just moved across the country, I was curious about what about your move or those circumstances that caused you to decide you to go without a dog for 12 years. Was it a less busy setting?

Also, I'd be interested in knowing which school you got your current dog from.

I understand if you don't want to share these things at all, or if you don't want to continue this dialogue on list please feel free to reply to me directly. Thanks.

Melissa Allman 

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 22, 2016, at 12:50 PM, Jim McCarthy via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I think David is right that much of the professional acceptance of either method is based on the comfort or confidence the blind person has with the method chosen. I have not practiced law, but when to law school and have worked in a professional setting following that experience. While in law school, I got my first guide dog and he accompanied me into my early professional career. At the time of his passing, I switch jobs and moved cross country electing a cane for travel. That was fine and I did it for 12 years. I once again have a dog. To me the dog is probably more distracting. People take notice of the dog; some understand it is correct not to take notice; some can't help but take notice; some want to ask all the questions about what in fact the dog does for me; many conclude I couldn't get up in the morning if it weren't for the dog, that though the dog makes sure I get up to feed him just like dogs in any home do and so forth. If one chooses a dog, managing those attitude issues is an obligation he must take on in furtherance of his career, social life and so forth. A cane takes very little space and very little energy. It gets noticed and forgotten. It tells others that you are blind and their responses are to the blindness, not to the cane. The dog does the same in that sense. I can't have a dog in most places unless I am disabled and most people don't bring their pets, even really well behaved ones, into professional meetings. To me there is more that can go wrong with a dog in professional circumstances than with a cane, but I also have very high expectations of proper behavior from my dog and think that in the main, I am at my best with a dog. There are situations when I think I prefer the dog and others when I prefer the cane and I rarely leave home without both. 
> Jim McCarthy
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David via BlindLaw
> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 7:51 AM
> To: Blind Law Mailing List
> Cc: David
> Subject: [blindlaw] {Spam?} Re: Guidedog verses white cane
> 
> Dear Paul,  I am partially sighted with about 5 degrees of central vision.
> 
> 1.  I can't help with the crawling baby issue from a personal experience standpoint, but I've seen dogs around babies without issues.  Your question is a good one for your guide dog school.
> 
> 2.  I used a white cane during the last 9 years of my career as general counsel of an insurance company.  I met with senior executives and general counsel of some of the largest corporations in the U.S.  My white cane was an issue for about the first 10 seconds of first meeting someone.  It is also a non-issue in court.  I traveled as much as 80,000 miles a year.  I did lose two canes to limo drivers in Manhattan.  The only other negative experience I had was one time when meeting a corporate general counsel, he shook my hand with his left hand. I stupidly asked him if he had hurt his right hand.  He raised a leather covered fist prosthesis and said, "Here."  The meeting was toast.
> 
> In my opinion, your acceptance of the white cane by others depends entirely upon your attitude, how you feel about it, and how you carry yourself.  I find it is the same with a guide dog, but except for bar association and board meetings I have not used a guide dog in professional settings.
> 
> David and Claire Rose in Clearwater, FL
> 
>> On 7/21/2016 11:13 PM, Paul Harpur via BlindLaw wrote:
>> I have a professional and personal question I wanted to ask for people’s views.
>> I am totally blind and went from using a white cane to my first 
>> guidedog back in law school in 2000.  Since then I have always used a 
>> guidedog.  I tried for a while to use a white cane when my first baby 
>> came home and now that he is 1 I put my name down for a dog again.  I 
>> am not sure how:
>> 1.    A guidedog will go with a crawling baby; and
>> 2.    How I will be received using a white cane in the profession.
>> Has anyone had experiences good or bad they could share with me?
> 
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From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com  Sun Jul 24 07:30:32 2016
From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 00:30:32 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] IDIA Interview Series
Message-ID: <CADFycPa+qaBcTUYd2JA9AfhT55WFf_VcS2NZnq6k97tMFC127w@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Everyone,

Here in India, I am associated with an organization called IDIA
(Increasing Diversity by Increasing Access to Legal Education). IDIA
trains students from underprivileged backgrounds, including students
with disabilities, for the CLAT, which is the Indian equivalent of the
LSAT, and then helps them pursue their professional endeavours in law
school and beyond.
We have recently launched a new initiative of interviewing successful
lawyers with disabilities, in all spheres of the legal profession,
irrespective of their country of residence. Through this initiative,
we hope to start a larger public conversation about how the legal
ecosystem in India and beyond can be restructured in ways that would
make it more accessible for the disabled.
 Our first interview in this series with Justice Zak Yacoob, who is
blind and served as a judge on South Africa's highest court for 15
years, can be found here:
http://idialaw.com/blog/idap-interview-series-interview-i-with-justice-zak-mohammed-yacoob/

We have interviews with people such as Haben Girma and Justice Richard
Bernstein lined up in the coming weeks. If you have any suggestions
for who we could interview (academicians, judges, commercial lawyers,
litigators or human rights activists), please reach out to
anusha at idialaw.com.
Please share this widely in your network.

Best,
Rahul


From p.harpur at law.uq.edu.au  Mon Jul 25 00:14:13 2016
From: p.harpur at law.uq.edu.au (Paul Harpur)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 00:14:13 +0000
Subject: [blindlaw] {Spam?} Re:  Guide dog verses white cane
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	<6E45E9D9-AC45-4270-9152-7BE7872F20AB@gmail.com>
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One benefit with people noticing the dog is that people notice you as well.  So in a room of 100 people I have had the guest speaker come across to say hi to the dog and then to me which places me in the middle of a networking frenzy.  



-----Original Message-----
From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Melissa Allman via BlindLaw
Sent: Saturday, 23 July 2016 10:47 PM
To: Blind Law Mailing List
Cc: Melissa Allman
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] {Spam?} Re: Guide dog verses white cane

Jim, I want to let you know how much I appreciate your response. I completely agree with what you said about the cane. I am totally blind an have used one since I was a young child and don't go anywhere without it. However, I am now beginning the application process for a guide dog, which is an exciting, scary, and very big step for me. I moved to Chicago  months ago after living somewhere for 10 years where things often werent' that walkable and public transportation was pretty limited.

Having just moved across the country, I was curious about what about your move or those circumstances that caused you to decide you to go without a dog for 12 years. Was it a less busy setting?

Also, I'd be interested in knowing which school you got your current dog from.

I understand if you don't want to share these things at all, or if you don't want to continue this dialogue on list please feel free to reply to me directly. Thanks.

Melissa Allman 

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 22, 2016, at 12:50 PM, Jim McCarthy via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I think David is right that much of the professional acceptance of either method is based on the comfort or confidence the blind person has with the method chosen. I have not practiced law, but when to law school and have worked in a professional setting following that experience. While in law school, I got my first guide dog and he accompanied me into my early professional career. At the time of his passing, I switch jobs and moved cross country electing a cane for travel. That was fine and I did it for 12 years. I once again have a dog. To me the dog is probably more distracting. People take notice of the dog; some understand it is correct not to take notice; some can't help but take notice; some want to ask all the questions about what in fact the dog does for me; many conclude I couldn't get up in the morning if it weren't for the dog, that though the dog makes sure I get up to feed him just like dogs in any home do and so forth. If one chooses a dog, managing those attitude issues is an obligation he must take on in furtherance of his career, social life and so forth. A cane takes very little space and very little energy. It gets noticed and forgotten. It tells others that you are blind and their responses are to the blindness, not to the cane. The dog does the same in that sense. I can't have a dog in most places unless I am disabled and most people don't bring their pets, even really well behaved ones, into professional meetings. To me there is more that can go wrong with a dog in professional circumstances than with a cane, but I also have very high expectations of proper behavior from my dog and think that in the main, I am at my best with a dog. There are situations when I think I prefer the dog and others when I prefer the cane and I rarely leave home without both. 
> Jim McCarthy
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David 
> via BlindLaw
> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 7:51 AM
> To: Blind Law Mailing List
> Cc: David
> Subject: [blindlaw] {Spam?} Re: Guidedog verses white cane
> 
> Dear Paul,  I am partially sighted with about 5 degrees of central vision.
> 
> 1.  I can't help with the crawling baby issue from a personal experience standpoint, but I've seen dogs around babies without issues.  Your question is a good one for your guide dog school.
> 
> 2.  I used a white cane during the last 9 years of my career as general counsel of an insurance company.  I met with senior executives and general counsel of some of the largest corporations in the U.S.  My white cane was an issue for about the first 10 seconds of first meeting someone.  It is also a non-issue in court.  I traveled as much as 80,000 miles a year.  I did lose two canes to limo drivers in Manhattan.  The only other negative experience I had was one time when meeting a corporate general counsel, he shook my hand with his left hand. I stupidly asked him if he had hurt his right hand.  He raised a leather covered fist prosthesis and said, "Here."  The meeting was toast.
> 
> In my opinion, your acceptance of the white cane by others depends entirely upon your attitude, how you feel about it, and how you carry yourself.  I find it is the same with a guide dog, but except for bar association and board meetings I have not used a guide dog in professional settings.
> 
> David and Claire Rose in Clearwater, FL
> 
>> On 7/21/2016 11:13 PM, Paul Harpur via BlindLaw wrote:
>> I have a professional and personal question I wanted to ask for people’s views.
>> I am totally blind and went from using a white cane to my first 
>> guidedog back in law school in 2000.  Since then I have always used a 
>> guidedog.  I tried for a while to use a white cane when my first baby 
>> came home and now that he is 1 I put my name down for a dog again.  I 
>> am not sure how:
>> 1.    A guidedog will go with a crawling baby; and
>> 2.    How I will be received using a white cane in the profession.
>> Has anyone had experiences good or bad they could share with me?
> 
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From dandrews at visi.com  Mon Jul 25 01:20:04 2016
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 20:20:04 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] UBER DRIVER FACES CRIMINAL CHARGES
Message-ID: <auto-000061902470@mailfront2.g2host.com>


NEWS RELEASE
FOR IMMEDIATE USE
FROM: Tennessee Association of Guide Dog Users
DATE: July 18, 2016
TO: All Media
RE: Criminal Case Against Uber Driver
CONTACT:
James Boehm
901-483-1515
secretary at nfb-tn.org

UBER DRIVER FACES CRIMINAL CHARGES

On April 28, 2016, James Boehm and his guide dog Shep were left 
stranded at an animal hospital in Murfreesboro, TN. An Uber driver 
defiantly squealed away, refusing to transport the guide dog team home.

"I was distraught and infuriated all at once!" stated Mr. Boehm, who 
filed a police report with the Rutherford County sheriff's 
department. After an investigation, the state Attorney filed charges 
against Rolonda Douglas. The hearing is scheduled for August 9th, 
2016 at 8:00 a.m. at the Rutherford County Judicial Building located 
at 20 North Public Square.

"This case is so important because it sets a precedent for all Uber, 
Lyft, or other taxi drivers," says James Boehm.  "If they 
discriminate against a service animal user, the violators will be prosecuted."

Members of the National Federation of the Blind of Tennessee and 
their guide dogs, along with other service dog users from around the 
state plan to attend the hearing to support the cause. "Such 
incidents occur far too often and we want to present a strong,united 
front in support of this case," says james Brown, president of the 
NFB of Tennessee. "We want to make a statement that such 
discrimination is not acceptable.

Not only does the Americans with Disabilities Act make it clear that 
disabled individuals have the right to be accompanied by a service 
dog, Tennessee statute 62.7.112 strengthens the ADA by providing 
criminal penalties for such discrimination. As a Class C misdemeanor, 
violating the civil rights of a disabled person accompanied by a 
service dog is punishable by up to 30 days in jail and/or a fine of 
up to $50. (The entire text of the Tennessee statute accompanies this release.)
# # #


About the National Federation of the Blind

           The National Federation of the Blind is the oldest and 
largest organization of the blind in the United States. The NFB knows 
that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your 
future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people because 
low expectations are the obstacles between blind people and our 
dreams. You can live the life you want! Blindness is not what holds 
you back. The Federation provides scholarships to blind students; 
support for those who are blind or losing their eyesight; advocacy 
for the blind facing discrimination; and educational programs for the 
general public on topics of blindness. The NFB is not an organization 
that speaks on behalf of the blind; we are the blind speaking for ourselves.

About NAGDU
           The Tennessee Association of Guide Dog Users (TAGDU) is a 
strong and proud division of the National Association of Guide Dog 
Users. The National Association of Guide dog Users is the nation's 
leading membership organization for blind people who use guide 
dogs.  NAGDU is a strong and proud division of the National 
Federation of the Blind. NAGDU conducts public awareness campaigns on 
issues of guide dog use, provides advocacy support for guide dog 
handlers who face discrimination, supports sound policy and effective 
legislation to protect the rights of guide dog users, offers 
educational programs to school and civic organizations, and functions 
as an integral part of the National Federation of the Blind. For more 
information about the National Association of Guide Dog Users and to 
support their work, you can visit their website at

<http://www.nagdu.org/>HTTP://WWW.NAGDU.ORG

Or send an email message to

<mailto:Info at NAGDU.ORG>Info at NAGDU.ORG

From marty at blindfoldgames.org  Mon Jul 25 12:02:06 2016
From: marty at blindfoldgames.org (Blindfold Games)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 05:02:06 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] {Disarmed} Blindfold Games - 40 games and growing
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Recently, I received the following email:

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From: marty at blindfoldgames.org (Blindfold Games)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 05:02:04 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] {Disarmed} Blindfold Games: How can a blind person drive
	with their ears?
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How does a blind person drive with their ears?
==========

Almost every game in the App Store is a video game – you watch the screen and press buttons. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.

Blindfold Racer is an audio game – you play be listening to the road, and hold your iPhone like a steering wheel. And you hear music in your ears. Turn the phone to the right, you go right. Rotate to the left, you go left.

When you get too close to the left side of the road, the music in your left ear gets louder. Likewise for the right side of the road. When the music is in the center of your head, you are in the middle of the road.

Blindfold Racer is a multi-level game: each time you complete a level – a track – you move to the next, slightly harder level.

Blind people complete first 5 levels fairly quickly, and like to play the game for hours. Sighted people have a much harder time – most need to close their eyes while playing.

As one blind teen girl said to me while she was at level 12: “I can’t wait to play against my sighted friends. I will so beat them!”

Blindfold Racer is one of over 40 audio games that we've built, and enjoyed by thousands of visually impaired people across the world.

To download any of the games for free, or to read about how we build these games, visit:

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From shelleyrichards9 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 26 13:57:55 2016
From: shelleyrichards9 at gmail.com (Shelley Richards)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 09:57:55 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] {Spam?} Re: Guidedog verses white cane
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Hello,
I have used a guide dog for 13 years now.  Whether I chose to use my
dog or cane never seemed to matter professionally either in law school
or while working as a lawyer.  The only difference is that I find I
meet more people with my dog at events because people are curious and
want to come over and ask questions.  For me this is wonderful, since
I am shy about approaching people myself.  Neither my dog nor my cane
has ever caused any inappropriate disruptions in any professional
setting though.
I also have a child, and a second one on the way.  My dog never had
any trouble with the baby, and hopefully she will still be with me in
6 months when number 2 comes.  She got a little jellous at first
because I spent so much time with the baby, but I found that she got
over it quickly once I let her hang out with me and the baby.  I also
know several other handlers who have children, and I have never heard
of any of them having had problems with their dog and the babies or
older children.  Also, if the school knows you have small children
they will usually keep that in mind when choosing your match.  Of
course there are dogs out there who do not like children, but I have
not yet met a guide dog who is bad with children.  Just a guess, but I
have always figured that they need to be at least very tolerant of all
types of people including children in order to properly do their jobs
in public, so guide dogs are probably less likely than other dogs to
have a problem with children.
Good luck working it all out
Shelley


On 7/22/16, David via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Dear Paul,  I am partially sighted with about 5 degrees of central vision.
>
> 1.  I can't help with the crawling baby issue from a personal experience
> standpoint, but I've seen dogs around babies without issues.  Your
> question is a good one for your guide dog school.
>
> 2.  I used a white cane during the last 9 years of my career as general
> counsel of an insurance company.  I met with senior executives and
> general counsel of some of the largest corporations in the U.S.  My
> white cane was an issue for about the first 10 seconds of first meeting
> someone.  It is also a non-issue in court.  I traveled as much as 80,000
> miles a year.  I did lose two canes to limo drivers in Manhattan.  The
> only other negative experience I had was one time when meeting a
> corporate general counsel, he shook my hand with his left hand. I
> stupidly asked him if he had hurt his right hand.  He raised a leather
> covered fist prosthesis and said, "Here."  The meeting was toast.
>
> In my opinion, your acceptance of the white cane by others depends
> entirely upon your attitude, how you feel about it, and how you carry
> yourself.  I find it is the same with a guide dog, but except for bar
> association and board meetings I have not used a guide dog in
> professional settings.
>
> David and Claire Rose in Clearwater, FL
>
> On 7/21/2016 11:13 PM, Paul Harpur via BlindLaw wrote:
>> I have a professional and personal question I wanted to ask for people’s
>> views.
>> I am totally blind and went from using a white cane to my first
>> guidedog back in law school in 2000.  Since then I have always used a
>> guidedog.  I tried for a while to use a white cane when my first baby
>> came home and now that he is 1 I put my name down for a dog again.  I
>> am not sure how:
>> 1.	A guidedog will go with a crawling baby; and
>> 2.	How I will be received using a white cane in the profession.
>> Has anyone had experiences good or bad they could share with me?
>
> _______________________________________________
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shelleyrichards9 at gmail.com


From keribcu at gmail.com  Tue Jul 26 14:05:48 2016
From: keribcu at gmail.com (Keri Svendsen)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 10:05:48 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] guest speaker for a disability celebration and awareness
	forum
Message-ID: <3d396be1-682f-c786-9882-75e2633159fa@gmail.com>

Good morning,


My name is Keri Svendsen. I am a totally blind student attending Concord 
University in Athens West Virginia. I am the chair for a committee that 
plans a disability celebration and awareness forum held at our school 
every year in conjunction with the US Forest Agency.

This year I really wanted to bring a famous speaker on disability rights 
to CU, but sadly we have no money in which to pay someone. I was  given 
the suggestion by one of the deans to check with our student activity 
club to see if they have some money they can offer us to help, but I 
can't count on that sadly.

I was hoping there may be a blind lawyer either in the state or close by 
that practices disability law who might be willing to come speak for 
this event. We don't have a date yet, but that will be decided in the 
coming few weeks, and this could also help us be more flexable for a 
speaker.

Although, we may not be able to pay we can provide the following:

Free lodging. Our school has a room like a hotel room that can be 
provided to a guest to spend the night.

We can also provide transportation to and from either Charleston WV or 
Roanoke Va airports, or the Hinton West Virginia Amtrak station. We 
could also provide transportation to and from the Grayhound station, and 
maybe megabus on in VA, but that would have to be discussed with us.

I will pay out of pocket if necessary for meals while a guest is here, 
but I imagine the school would cover such if I spoke to the right people 
to tell them the situation.

If anyone is interested feel free to contact me at one of the following 
emails

keribcu at gmail.com

or

svendsenk30 at mycu.concord.edu


-- 
thank you,
Keri Svendsen



From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jul 26 14:32:53 2016
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (Charles Krugman)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 07:32:53 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] {Disarmed} Blindfold Games: How can a blind person
	drivewith their ears?
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    how does this relate to the legal profession or the practice of law?
Chuck

-----Original Message----- 
From: Blindfold Games via BlindLaw
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 5:02 AM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Cc: Blindfold Games
Subject: [blindlaw] {Disarmed} Blindfold Games: How can a blind person 
drivewith their ears?

How does a blind person drive with their ears?
==========

Almost every game in the App Store is a video game – you watch the screen 
and press buttons. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.

Blindfold Racer is an audio game – you play be listening to the road, and 
hold your iPhone like a steering wheel. And you hear music in your ears. 
Turn the phone to the right, you go right. Rotate to the left, you go left.

When you get too close to the left side of the road, the music in your left 
ear gets louder. Likewise for the right side of the road. When the music is 
in the center of your head, you are in the middle of the road.

Blindfold Racer is a multi-level game: each time you complete a level – a 
track – you move to the next, slightly harder level.

Blind people complete first 5 levels fairly quickly, and like to play the 
game for hours. Sighted people have a much harder time – most need to close 
their eyes while playing.

As one blind teen girl said to me while she was at level 12: “I can’t wait 
to play against my sighted friends. I will so beat them!”

Blindfold Racer is one of over 40 audio games that we've built, and enjoyed 
by thousands of visually impaired people across the world.

To download any of the games for free, or to read about how we build these 
games, visit:

BlindfoldGames.org ( 
http://sable.madmimi.com/click?id=12318.332627.24054.1.3cb3f547102775242b7f4a8a81b6603f 
 )

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From anitakeithfoust at gmail.com  Tue Jul 26 14:52:43 2016
From: anitakeithfoust at gmail.com (Anita Keith-Foust)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 10:52:43 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] {Disarmed} Blindfold Games: How can a blind person
	drive with their ears?
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Don't be discouraged. 

It may not be related to the law, but it is good information.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 26, 2016, at 8:02 AM, Blindfold Games via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> How does a blind person drive with their ears?
> ==========
> 
> Almost every game in the App Store is a video game – you watch the screen and press buttons. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.
> 
> Blindfold Racer is an audio game – you play be listening to the road, and hold your iPhone like a steering wheel. And you hear music in your ears. Turn the phone to the right, you go right. Rotate to the left, you go left.
> 
> When you get too close to the left side of the road, the music in your left ear gets louder. Likewise for the right side of the road. When the music is in the center of your head, you are in the middle of the road.
> 
> Blindfold Racer is a multi-level game: each time you complete a level – a track – you move to the next, slightly harder level.
> 
> Blind people complete first 5 levels fairly quickly, and like to play the game for hours. Sighted people have a much harder time – most need to close their eyes while playing.
> 
> As one blind teen girl said to me while she was at level 12: “I can’t wait to play against my sighted friends. I will so beat them!”
> 
> Blindfold Racer is one of over 40 audio games that we've built, and enjoyed by thousands of visually impaired people across the world.
> 
> To download any of the games for free, or to read about how we build these games, visit:
> 
> BlindfoldGames.org ( http://sable.madmimi.com/click?id=12318.332627.24054.1.3cb3f547102775242b7f4a8a81b6603f )
> 
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From awildheir at gmail.com  Tue Jul 26 19:50:11 2016
From: awildheir at gmail.com (Aimee Harwood)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 15:50:11 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Immediate Concerns
Message-ID: <EC37A370-9F22-4900-BBFB-220A5E267F71@gmail.com>

Hi guys I'm trying to find someone who has extensive experience and knowledge on dealing with a school regarding accommodations and fair practices. There's so much that I could tell you but I don't think I could do it enough justice here.

Is a short list of issues:
Notes
Note takers
Exams with complications
Remedies for the exams with complications

Administrators withholding information regarding effects of things on your ability to proceed in school.

Please contact me if you have extensive understanding or experience pressing these issues.

Thank you very much.


Aimee

Sent from my iPhone


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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Tue Jul 26 20:51:51 2016
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 20:51:51 +0000
Subject: [blindlaw] Immediate Concerns
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Aimee,

Feel free to contact me.  I work for the U.S. Department of Education's Office for Civil Rights.  I am at (206) 607-1600.

Noel Nightingale


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 12:50 PM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Cc: Aimee Harwood
Subject: [blindlaw] Immediate Concerns

Hi guys I'm trying to find someone who has extensive experience and knowledge on dealing with a school regarding accommodations and fair practices. There's so much that I could tell you but I don't think I could do it enough justice here.

Is a short list of issues:
Notes
Note takers
Exams with complications
Remedies for the exams with complications

Administrators withholding information regarding effects of things on your ability to proceed in school.

Please contact me if you have extensive understanding or experience pressing these issues.

Thank you very much.


Aimee

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From angie.matney at gmail.com  Tue Jul 26 21:04:31 2016
From: angie.matney at gmail.com (Angie Matney)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 17:04:31 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] {Spam?} Re: Guidedog verses white cane
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I just retired my second guide after 8.5 years of service. She was
semi-retired before that, though, because I found that she was getting
more easily stressed in certain situations. I don't plan to get
another dog right away because of my busy work schedule, and also
because I have a young son who recently has developed a dog allergy.
Shelley is absolutely right--lots of people get dogs when they have
young kids, and things are fine; but at this point in my life, after
having used dogs continuously for 15.5 years, I'm just not ready to go
through the process of getting a new dog.

As for professional events, your dog certainly can make you stand out!
Once, John Grisham came to speak on a panel while I was in law school.
My German Shepherd and I were sitting in the front row, and apparently
she and Mr. Grisham made eyes at each other through the entire
presentation.

I have also been to professional events where I decided not to take my
dog, such as industry conferences with thousands of attendees. I might
have taken my first dog to such events (I did take her to an NFB
national convention, and she did quite well), but my last dog would
have gotten stressed in those situations. Of course, I had the option
to retire her and hope for a dog that could better deal with such
events, but I chose to keep working with her because in many
situations she really was a great guide.

Basically, it all depends on your schedule and your dog. I am going to
see how cane use will work for me at this point. Maybe in a couple of
years, after I've been promoted and my son is a little older, I'll
look into a hypoallergenic successor to my shepherd.

Best,

Angie




On 7/26/16, Shelley Richards via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello,
> I have used a guide dog for 13 years now.  Whether I chose to use my
> dog or cane never seemed to matter professionally either in law school
> or while working as a lawyer.  The only difference is that I find I
> meet more people with my dog at events because people are curious and
> want to come over and ask questions.  For me this is wonderful, since
> I am shy about approaching people myself.  Neither my dog nor my cane
> has ever caused any inappropriate disruptions in any professional
> setting though.
> I also have a child, and a second one on the way.  My dog never had
> any trouble with the baby, and hopefully she will still be with me in
> 6 months when number 2 comes.  She got a little jellous at first
> because I spent so much time with the baby, but I found that she got
> over it quickly once I let her hang out with me and the baby.  I also
> know several other handlers who have children, and I have never heard
> of any of them having had problems with their dog and the babies or
> older children.  Also, if the school knows you have small children
> they will usually keep that in mind when choosing your match.  Of
> course there are dogs out there who do not like children, but I have
> not yet met a guide dog who is bad with children.  Just a guess, but I
> have always figured that they need to be at least very tolerant of all
> types of people including children in order to properly do their jobs
> in public, so guide dogs are probably less likely than other dogs to
> have a problem with children.
> Good luck working it all out
> Shelley
>
>
> On 7/22/16, David via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Dear Paul,  I am partially sighted with about 5 degrees of central vision.
>>
>> 1.  I can't help with the crawling baby issue from a personal experience
>> standpoint, but I've seen dogs around babies without issues.  Your
>> question is a good one for your guide dog school.
>>
>> 2.  I used a white cane during the last 9 years of my career as general
>> counsel of an insurance company.  I met with senior executives and
>> general counsel of some of the largest corporations in the U.S.  My
>> white cane was an issue for about the first 10 seconds of first meeting
>> someone.  It is also a non-issue in court.  I traveled as much as 80,000
>> miles a year.  I did lose two canes to limo drivers in Manhattan.  The
>> only other negative experience I had was one time when meeting a
>> corporate general counsel, he shook my hand with his left hand. I
>> stupidly asked him if he had hurt his right hand.  He raised a leather
>> covered fist prosthesis and said, "Here."  The meeting was toast.
>>
>> In my opinion, your acceptance of the white cane by others depends
>> entirely upon your attitude, how you feel about it, and how you carry
>> yourself.  I find it is the same with a guide dog, but except for bar
>> association and board meetings I have not used a guide dog in
>> professional settings.
>>
>> David and Claire Rose in Clearwater, FL
>>
>> On 7/21/2016 11:13 PM, Paul Harpur via BlindLaw wrote:
>>> I have a professional and personal question I wanted to ask for people’s
>>> views.
>>> I am totally blind and went from using a white cane to my first
>>> guidedog back in law school in 2000.  Since then I have always used a
>>> guidedog.  I tried for a while to use a white cane when my first baby
>>> came home and now that he is 1 I put my name down for a dog again.  I
>>> am not sure how:
>>> 1.	A guidedog will go with a crawling baby; and
>>> 2.	How I will be received using a white cane in the profession.
>>> Has anyone had experiences good or bad they could share with me?
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>
>
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> Thank You
> Shelley Palmadessa
> shelleyrichards9 at gmail.com
>
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From b.s.spiry at gmail.com  Tue Jul 26 21:34:38 2016
From: b.s.spiry at gmail.com (Bill Spiry)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 14:34:38 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] {Spam?} Re: Guidedog verses white cane
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I've been using a guide dog since 1992, currently my fourth named Rebel. Generally, I've taken my guys everywhere with me and have not had any substantive problems. Have there been interesting incidents? Heck yeah, they each have their own personality and respond better or worse in varius social and challengeing situations, but I find that part of what keeps me coming back for each dog. Knowing when to retire them is usually the challenge as it is sometimes hard to tell when the dog is no longer accommodating you and you find yourself accommodating the dog. that is the right point to let them retire.

Comparing cane to dog? my independence, social aptitude, and quality of life rose considerably when I started traveling with my dogs instead of the cane. Faster, safer, ability to focus on more of the world around me rather than the tip of my stick, and generally people respond more affirmatively to the dog than the cane. There are those that try to engage the dog inappropriately but with a little practice and finesse, I've found that challenge to be very manageable. I've also raised three children with my dogs, my first dog came in when my first child was just 2 years old and my 2nd was a newborn.  The experience has been very positive for the family.

You've got to be committed though, you've got another living being in the program when you have your guide. That being requires love, care, attention, and consideration. If you are not ready to daily give of yourself to your pooch, you are not ready for using a guide dog.

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From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Angie Matney via BlindLaw
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Subject: Re: [blindlaw] {Spam?} Re: Guidedog verses white cane

I just retired my second guide after 8.5 years of service. She was semi-retired before that, though, because I found that she was getting more easily stressed in certain situations. I don't plan to get another dog right away because of my busy work schedule, and also because I have a young son who recently has developed a dog allergy.
Shelley is absolutely right--lots of people get dogs when they have young kids, and things are fine; but at this point in my life, after having used dogs continuously for 15.5 years, I'm just not ready to go through the process of getting a new dog.

As for professional events, your dog certainly can make you stand out!
Once, John Grisham came to speak on a panel while I was in law school.
My German Shepherd and I were sitting in the front row, and apparently she and Mr. Grisham made eyes at each other through the entire presentation.

I have also been to professional events where I decided not to take my dog, such as industry conferences with thousands of attendees. I might have taken my first dog to such events (I did take her to an NFB national convention, and she did quite well), but my last dog would have gotten stressed in those situations. Of course, I had the option to retire her and hope for a dog that could better deal with such events, but I chose to keep working with her because in many situations she really was a great guide.

Basically, it all depends on your schedule and your dog. I am going to see how cane use will work for me at this point. Maybe in a couple of years, after I've been promoted and my son is a little older, I'll look into a hypoallergenic successor to my shepherd.

Best,

Angie




On 7/26/16, Shelley Richards via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello,
> I have used a guide dog for 13 years now.  Whether I chose to use my 
> dog or cane never seemed to matter professionally either in law school 
> or while working as a lawyer.  The only difference is that I find I 
> meet more people with my dog at events because people are curious and 
> want to come over and ask questions.  For me this is wonderful, since 
> I am shy about approaching people myself.  Neither my dog nor my cane 
> has ever caused any inappropriate disruptions in any professional 
> setting though.
> I also have a child, and a second one on the way.  My dog never had 
> any trouble with the baby, and hopefully she will still be with me in
> 6 months when number 2 comes.  She got a little jellous at first 
> because I spent so much time with the baby, but I found that she got 
> over it quickly once I let her hang out with me and the baby.  I also 
> know several other handlers who have children, and I have never heard 
> of any of them having had problems with their dog and the babies or 
> older children.  Also, if the school knows you have small children 
> they will usually keep that in mind when choosing your match.  Of 
> course there are dogs out there who do not like children, but I have 
> not yet met a guide dog who is bad with children.  Just a guess, but I 
> have always figured that they need to be at least very tolerant of all 
> types of people including children in order to properly do their jobs 
> in public, so guide dogs are probably less likely than other dogs to 
> have a problem with children.
> Good luck working it all out
> Shelley
>
>
> On 7/22/16, David via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Dear Paul,  I am partially sighted with about 5 degrees of central vision.
>>
>> 1.  I can't help with the crawling baby issue from a personal 
>> experience standpoint, but I've seen dogs around babies without 
>> issues.  Your question is a good one for your guide dog school.
>>
>> 2.  I used a white cane during the last 9 years of my career as 
>> general counsel of an insurance company.  I met with senior 
>> executives and general counsel of some of the largest corporations in 
>> the U.S.  My white cane was an issue for about the first 10 seconds 
>> of first meeting someone.  It is also a non-issue in court.  I 
>> traveled as much as 80,000 miles a year.  I did lose two canes to 
>> limo drivers in Manhattan.  The only other negative experience I had 
>> was one time when meeting a corporate general counsel, he shook my 
>> hand with his left hand. I stupidly asked him if he had hurt his 
>> right hand.  He raised a leather covered fist prosthesis and said, "Here."  The meeting was toast.
>>
>> In my opinion, your acceptance of the white cane by others depends 
>> entirely upon your attitude, how you feel about it, and how you carry 
>> yourself.  I find it is the same with a guide dog, but except for bar 
>> association and board meetings I have not used a guide dog in 
>> professional settings.
>>
>> David and Claire Rose in Clearwater, FL
>>
>> On 7/21/2016 11:13 PM, Paul Harpur via BlindLaw wrote:
>>> I have a professional and personal question I wanted to ask for 
>>> people’s views.
>>> I am totally blind and went from using a white cane to my first 
>>> guidedog back in law school in 2000.  Since then I have always used 
>>> a guidedog.  I tried for a while to use a white cane when my first 
>>> baby came home and now that he is 1 I put my name down for a dog 
>>> again.  I am not sure how:
>>> 1.	A guidedog will go with a crawling baby; and
>>> 2.	How I will be received using a white cane in the profession.
>>> Has anyone had experiences good or bad they could share with me?
>>
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>
>
> --
> Thank You
> Shelley Palmadessa
> shelleyrichards9 at gmail.com
>
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From mrallman116 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 26 21:50:45 2016
From: mrallman116 at gmail.com (Melissa Allman)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 16:50:45 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] {Spam?} Re: Guidedog verses white cane
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I just want to thank the person who started this thread because it has been incredibly helpful to me as I make this decision. Angie, do you mind telling why your busy work schedule is part of the reason you are not ready for another dog right now? If you'd prefer to reply off list that's cool but others might be curious too. Thanks.

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 26, 2016, at 4:04 PM, Angie Matney via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I just retired my second guide after 8.5 years of service. She was
> semi-retired before that, though, because I found that she was getting
> more easily stressed in certain situations. I don't plan to get
> another dog right away because of my busy work schedule, and also
> because I have a young son who recently has developed a dog allergy.
> Shelley is absolutely right--lots of people get dogs when they have
> young kids, and things are fine; but at this point in my life, after
> having used dogs continuously for 15.5 years, I'm just not ready to go
> through the process of getting a new dog.
> 
> As for professional events, your dog certainly can make you stand out!
> Once, John Grisham came to speak on a panel while I was in law school.
> My German Shepherd and I were sitting in the front row, and apparently
> she and Mr. Grisham made eyes at each other through the entire
> presentation.
> 
> I have also been to professional events where I decided not to take my
> dog, such as industry conferences with thousands of attendees. I might
> have taken my first dog to such events (I did take her to an NFB
> national convention, and she did quite well), but my last dog would
> have gotten stressed in those situations. Of course, I had the option
> to retire her and hope for a dog that could better deal with such
> events, but I chose to keep working with her because in many
> situations she really was a great guide.
> 
> Basically, it all depends on your schedule and your dog. I am going to
> see how cane use will work for me at this point. Maybe in a couple of
> years, after I've been promoted and my son is a little older, I'll
> look into a hypoallergenic successor to my shepherd.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Angie
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 7/26/16, Shelley Richards via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello,
>> I have used a guide dog for 13 years now.  Whether I chose to use my
>> dog or cane never seemed to matter professionally either in law school
>> or while working as a lawyer.  The only difference is that I find I
>> meet more people with my dog at events because people are curious and
>> want to come over and ask questions.  For me this is wonderful, since
>> I am shy about approaching people myself.  Neither my dog nor my cane
>> has ever caused any inappropriate disruptions in any professional
>> setting though.
>> I also have a child, and a second one on the way.  My dog never had
>> any trouble with the baby, and hopefully she will still be with me in
>> 6 months when number 2 comes.  She got a little jellous at first
>> because I spent so much time with the baby, but I found that she got
>> over it quickly once I let her hang out with me and the baby.  I also
>> know several other handlers who have children, and I have never heard
>> of any of them having had problems with their dog and the babies or
>> older children.  Also, if the school knows you have small children
>> they will usually keep that in mind when choosing your match.  Of
>> course there are dogs out there who do not like children, but I have
>> not yet met a guide dog who is bad with children.  Just a guess, but I
>> have always figured that they need to be at least very tolerant of all
>> types of people including children in order to properly do their jobs
>> in public, so guide dogs are probably less likely than other dogs to
>> have a problem with children.
>> Good luck working it all out
>> Shelley
>> 
>> 
>>> On 7/22/16, David via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Dear Paul,  I am partially sighted with about 5 degrees of central vision.
>>> 
>>> 1.  I can't help with the crawling baby issue from a personal experience
>>> standpoint, but I've seen dogs around babies without issues.  Your
>>> question is a good one for your guide dog school.
>>> 
>>> 2.  I used a white cane during the last 9 years of my career as general
>>> counsel of an insurance company.  I met with senior executives and
>>> general counsel of some of the largest corporations in the U.S.  My
>>> white cane was an issue for about the first 10 seconds of first meeting
>>> someone.  It is also a non-issue in court.  I traveled as much as 80,000
>>> miles a year.  I did lose two canes to limo drivers in Manhattan.  The
>>> only other negative experience I had was one time when meeting a
>>> corporate general counsel, he shook my hand with his left hand. I
>>> stupidly asked him if he had hurt his right hand.  He raised a leather
>>> covered fist prosthesis and said, "Here."  The meeting was toast.
>>> 
>>> In my opinion, your acceptance of the white cane by others depends
>>> entirely upon your attitude, how you feel about it, and how you carry
>>> yourself.  I find it is the same with a guide dog, but except for bar
>>> association and board meetings I have not used a guide dog in
>>> professional settings.
>>> 
>>> David and Claire Rose in Clearwater, FL
>>> 
>>>> On 7/21/2016 11:13 PM, Paul Harpur via BlindLaw wrote:
>>>> I have a professional and personal question I wanted to ask for people’s
>>>> views.
>>>> I am totally blind and went from using a white cane to my first
>>>> guidedog back in law school in 2000.  Since then I have always used a
>>>> guidedog.  I tried for a while to use a white cane when my first baby
>>>> came home and now that he is 1 I put my name down for a dog again.  I
>>>> am not sure how:
>>>> 1.    A guidedog will go with a crawling baby; and
>>>> 2.    How I will be received using a white cane in the profession.
>>>> Has anyone had experiences good or bad they could share with me?
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> BlindLaw mailing list
>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> BlindLaw:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/shelleyrichards9%40gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Thank You
>> Shelley Palmadessa
>> shelleyrichards9 at gmail.com
>> 
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From kenia.flores101 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 26 22:20:14 2016
From: kenia.flores101 at gmail.com (Kenia Flores)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 18:20:14 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Introduction and questions
Message-ID: <C7329394-D5ED-46BA-89ED-6EB279D5FCD4@gmail.com>

Hello fellow Federationists,

I hope you are all doing well. My name is Kenia, and I am a member of the North Carolina NFB affiliate. I will be a freshman at Furman University this fall. After graduating from Furman, I plan on attending law school. I ultimately want to practice Disability Law. I realize I am fairly young and still have time before I apply and attend law school, but I have a few questions for you all. 

1. Did you encounter any barriers when taking the LSAT? If so, what were they?
2. How did you prepare for the LSAT? Were study materials accessible either in Braille or in an electronic version?3. What challenges did you face in law school (they don't necessarily need to be specific to blindness)?
4. I am comfortable with my blindness and am always upfront about it whether it be with an employer or professor. How do you address your blindness while still proving you are just as capable as other lawyers?
5. I hope to gain internship experience next summer at a law firm. Do you have any advice that may be helpful in the process of obtaining one?

I apologize for such a lengthy email. I look forward to hearing from you all and hope you don't mind sharing your insight.

--
Sincerely,
Kenia Flores

From mrallman116 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 26 22:45:14 2016
From: mrallman116 at gmail.com (Melissa Allman)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 17:45:14 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Introduction and questions
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Hello. I've put answers to the questions right beneath then. Let me know if you have others or if that format doesn't work.

On Jul 26, 2016, at 5:20 PM, Kenia Flores via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello fellow Federationists,
> 
> I hope you are all doing well. My name is Kenia, and I am a member of the North Carolina NFB affiliate. I will be a freshman at Furman University this fall. After graduating from Furman, I plan on attending law school. I ultimately want to practice Disability Law. I realize I am fairly young and still have time before I apply and attend law school, but I have a few questions for you all. 
> 
> 1. Did you encounter any barriers when taking the LSAT? If so, what were they?
I took the LSAT in 2002 so things probably have changed a bit since then, but I had a lot of trouble with the logic games. I personally found that they were very visual and that it would have helped me to be able to have a technique that would be equivalent to drawing diagrams, which is what my sighted friends did, but I never figured out a strategy that worked very well. Because I knew I would tank that section, I worked extra hard to do well on the other sections. I got an average score but ended up going to Temple Law School in Philly and was pleased with that.

> 2. How did you prepare for the LSAT? Were study materials accessible either in Braille or in an electronic version?

I believe I used a combination of Braille and readers but I don't recall the materials for the prep course I took being accessible so I had a. Reader for that. I might handle that differently now.
> 3. What challenges did you face in law school (they don't necessarily need to be specific to blindness)?
Law school was a rude awakening for me. I had always excelled academically and a grade less than an A was a rarity for me. So, when I was confronted with the curve and one exam a semester rather than academic papers I could craft myself, like I did in my graduate studies in Russian literature I found I didn't do as well. At the time it was traumatic but at this point in my life I think it was good for my ego to be bruised just a bit.


> 4. I am comfortable with my blindness and am always upfront about it whether it be with an employer or professor. How do you address your blindness while still proving you are just as capable as other lawyers?
This is a tough question that has different answers for different people. Being up front in a positive way is I think the best way to go. As far as proving yourself, try to let your work speak for itself.

> 5. I hope to gain internship experience next summer at a law firm. Do you have any advice that may be helpful in the process of obtaining one?
> 

You said you want to practice disability law. First figure out whether you want to do public interest work or whether you want to work for a private civil rights law firm that does disability law. When I went to law school, I was very clear that I wanted to do public interest work so that's where I focused my efforts when applying for summer internships.

> I apologize for such a lengthy email. I look forward to hearing from you all and hope you don't mind sharing your insight.
> 
> --
> Sincerely,
> Kenia Flores
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From m13grey at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 27 00:46:14 2016
From: m13grey at yahoo.com (Meredith Ballard)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 20:46:14 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Introduction and questions
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Kenia,

I’m also in NC and I’m in my last year of law school right now. I have some residual vision, so my answers will be specific to that, but I hope they are helpful to you. I actually think this is a great time to be asking these questions.

1. I did encounter barriers to the LSAT. Specifically, as others have said, the logic games are very visual. I tried to diagram them with a CCTV, but that is very slow and it put a lot of strain on my eyes. If you don’t have residual vision at all I’d suggest using tactile markers and trying to develop a system that works for you. Getting accommodations for the LSAT used to be a huge process that required documentation from your very first IEP, which, for me, was from Kindergarten, but the LSAC was sued for this process and it has changed since then.

2. I did find some electronic study materials. Amazon kindle has some study books that you can get electronically. This was great for me, but if you prefer braille it may be easier to access the electronic info with a braille display.

3. Some of the challenges I faced in law school included problems with accommodations. I go to Campbell Law School, and they do have a great law program, but I was the first blind person to attend their law school, and while they meant well their inexperience definitely showed. If you go to a larger institution it’s more likely that other blind people will have come before you and the school will be more experienced. 

4. I think that as long as you are confident in who you are you won’t have problems with employers or professors in the legal profession. I have not had any problems with professors providing accommodations in law school. Most of my issues involved getting access to textbooks, not accommodations in the classroom. One area that could be difficult as a blind person is trial work. It is absolutely doable, but when I was in my trial class I met with the professor before classes started so he could orient me to the courtroom and so I could try to anticipate any problems before they came up. I would look at all my materials ahead of time to make sure I understood the exhibits we would be using. Some of the exhibits were pictures, and I’d always make sure I knew that exhibit A was a picture of a person outside, or exhibit B was a picture of a car crash, etc. 

5. I think an internship at a firm is a great idea. That is the best way to learn if the day-to-day life of a lawyer is something you’re interested in. 

Kenia, if you are interested in asking any other questions I would love to meet with you sometime in NC. My classes don’t start until August 15th. Please feel free to email me with any other questions!

Best,

Meredith Ballard

> On Jul 26, 2016, at 6:20 PM, Kenia Flores via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello fellow Federationists,
> 
> I hope you are all doing well. My name is Kenia, and I am a member of the North Carolina NFB affiliate. I will be a freshman at Furman University this fall. After graduating from Furman, I plan on attending law school. I ultimately want to practice Disability Law. I realize I am fairly young and still have time before I apply and attend law school, but I have a few questions for you all. 
> 
> 1. Did you encounter any barriers when taking the LSAT? If so, what were they?
> 2. How did you prepare for the LSAT? Were study materials accessible either in Braille or in an electronic version?3. What challenges did you face in law school (they don't necessarily need to be specific to blindness)?
> 4. I am comfortable with my blindness and am always upfront about it whether it be with an employer or professor. How do you address your blindness while still proving you are just as capable as other lawyers?
> 5. I hope to gain internship experience next summer at a law firm. Do you have any advice that may be helpful in the process of obtaining one?
> 
> I apologize for such a lengthy email. I look forward to hearing from you all and hope you don't mind sharing your insight.
> 
> --
> Sincerely,
> Kenia Flores
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From wmodnl at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 27 06:54:02 2016
From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (wmodnl wmodnl)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 06:54:02 +0000
Subject: [blindlaw] Immediate Concerns
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I may know a thing or two, what are you looking to find out? Are you looking for legal advice or, people's personal experiences in school?


Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 26, 2016, at 15:51, Aimee Harwood via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi guys I'm trying to find someone who has extensive experience and knowledge on dealing with a school regarding accommodations and fair practices. There's so much that I could tell you but I don't think I could do it enough justice here.
> 
> Is a short list of issues:
> Notes
> Note takers
> Exams with complications
> Remedies for the exams with complications
> 
> Administrators withholding information regarding effects of things on your ability to proceed in school.
> 
> Please contact me if you have extensive understanding or experience pressing these issues.
> 
> Thank you very much.
> 
> 
> Aimee
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From wmodnl at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 27 06:54:55 2016
From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (wmodnl wmodnl)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 06:54:55 +0000
Subject: [blindlaw] Immediate Concerns
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Sorry Amy, disregard my prior message. Have a good evening.


Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 26, 2016, at 16:54, Nightingale, Noel via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Aimee,
> 
> Feel free to contact me.  I work for the U.S. Department of Education's Office for Civil Rights.  I am at (206) 607-1600.
> 
> Noel Nightingale
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aimee Harwood via BlindLaw
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 12:50 PM
> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Aimee Harwood
> Subject: [blindlaw] Immediate Concerns
> 
> Hi guys I'm trying to find someone who has extensive experience and knowledge on dealing with a school regarding accommodations and fair practices. There's so much that I could tell you but I don't think I could do it enough justice here.
> 
> Is a short list of issues:
> Notes
> Note takers
> Exams with complications
> Remedies for the exams with complications
> 
> Administrators withholding information regarding effects of things on your ability to proceed in school.
> 
> Please contact me if you have extensive understanding or experience pressing these issues.
> 
> Thank you very much.
> 
> 
> Aimee
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From marty at blindfoldgames.org  Wed Jul 27 12:01:57 2016
From: marty at blindfoldgames.org (Blindfold Games)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 05:01:57 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] {Spam?} {Disarmed} Blindfold Games: If you can see,
	then you are a bad listener
Message-ID: <5798a2b531570_11ef081eda41540187@a2plmmsworker07.prod.iad2.gdg.mail>

If you can see, then you are a bad listener
==========

When I created the tutorial for Blindfold Racer, I was really confused why blind teens had no problem understanding the tutorial, and sighted adults would get confused.

I added more pauses ("tap the screen to continue") between each tutorial instruction, or more tried rephrasing the sentence, but they just didn't understand. Then an auditory therapist mentioned that sighted adults lose their ability to listen and comprehend without seeing something to reinforce what they are learning. Blind people can't rely on their sight, so their auditory attention skills are far superior.

The therapist continued to explain to me that visually impaired people develop their auditory cortex in lieu of using their visual cortex.

I learned the true extent of this when I collaborated with Judy Dixon (who runs the Talking Book program at the Library of Congress) to build a Blindfold Sudoku game. If you are unfamiliar with Sudoku, the basic idea is that you must fill a 9×9 grid with digits so that each column and each row contains all of the digits from 1 to 9 with no duplicates.

When I play Sudoku, I need to see the entire puzzle to solve it. Blindfold Sudoku tells you what number is in each cell, or row, or column and from that, you must create the image in your head. Blind Sudoku players are able to do this; very few sighted people can.

My blog follows the development of audio games and other technologies that we’re building that don’t require using your eyes. It’s a different way of perceiving the world, and it’s amazing what you can learn.

Check out our blog, where you can download any of the games for free: BlindfoldGames.org ( http://sable.madmimi.com/click?id=12318.332650.23710.1.80440ad88f1f36c52c7fad22d7ec2c63 )

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From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com  Wed Jul 27 12:12:44 2016
From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 13:12:44 +0100
Subject: [blindlaw] {Spam?} {Disarmed} Blindfold Games: If you can see,
 then you are a bad listener
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References: <5798a2b531570_11ef081eda41540187@a2plmmsworker07.prod.iad2.gdg.mail>
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Hi All,

I think these blindfold games emails are spam and would prefer not to
receive them on this list. Perhaps those of you (if any) who are
interested could join a dedicated list?

Many thanks.

Kind regards

Ger

On 7/27/16, Blindfold Games via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> If you can see, then you are a bad listener
> ==========
>
> When I created the tutorial for Blindfold Racer, I was really confused why
> blind teens had no problem understanding the tutorial, and sighted adults
> would get confused.
>
> I added more pauses ("tap the screen to continue") between each tutorial
> instruction, or more tried rephrasing the sentence, but they just didn't
> understand. Then an auditory therapist mentioned that sighted adults lose
> their ability to listen and comprehend without seeing something to reinforce
> what they are learning. Blind people can't rely on their sight, so their
> auditory attention skills are far superior.
>
> The therapist continued to explain to me that visually impaired people
> develop their auditory cortex in lieu of using their visual cortex.
>
> I learned the true extent of this when I collaborated with Judy Dixon (who
> runs the Talking Book program at the Library of Congress) to build a
> Blindfold Sudoku game. If you are unfamiliar with Sudoku, the basic idea is
> that you must fill a 9×9 grid with digits so that each column and each row
> contains all of the digits from 1 to 9 with no duplicates.
>
> When I play Sudoku, I need to see the entire puzzle to solve it. Blindfold
> Sudoku tells you what number is in each cell, or row, or column and from
> that, you must create the image in your head. Blind Sudoku players are able
> to do this; very few sighted people can.
>
> My blog follows the development of audio games and other technologies that
> we’re building that don’t require using your eyes. It’s a different way of
> perceiving the world, and it’s amazing what you can learn.
>
> Check out our blog, where you can download any of the games for free:
> BlindfoldGames.org (
> http://sable.madmimi.com/click?id=12318.332650.23710.1.80440ad88f1f36c52c7fad22d7ec2c63
> )
>
> Web Version
> http://sable.madmimi.com/click?id=12318.332650.24060-18.1.bbdb2af6d3815fa93b4970ad12eafdbe&p=eyIlN0IlN0JtaW1pLXNpZ25hdHVyZSU3RCU3RCI6IjEyOTM0NjA2Ni05MTcyOTA4MDE5LTdlOWViNGU3ZmQxMDAwNzU3MjhlNjQ3ZWVkZDNiYTNhOWU1OWUwM2IiLCIlN0IlN0JlbWFpbElkJTdEJTdEIjoiMzMyNjUwIn0=
>
> Unsubscribe
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From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jul 27 15:14:18 2016
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (Charles Krugman)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 08:14:18 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] {Spam?} {Disarmed} Blindfold Games: If you can see,
	then you are a bad listener
In-Reply-To: <CAGZitzKsytsR-22nKQRRJJY+B2GrtjZy_2HOg1Jovz0qDQw6hQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5798a2b531570_11ef081eda41540187@a2plmmsworker07.prod.iad2.gdg.mail>
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Message-ID: <0882EB0D408F49419BA56221F82BA283@Spike>

I totally agree. Where is our moderator when we need him?
Chuck

-----Original Message----- 
From: Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 5:12 AM
To: Blind Law Mailing List
Cc: Gerard Sadlier ; Blindfold Games
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] {Spam?} {Disarmed} Blindfold Games: If you can see, 
then you are a bad listener

Hi All,

I think these blindfold games emails are spam and would prefer not to
receive them on this list. Perhaps those of you (if any) who are
interested could join a dedicated list?

Many thanks.

Kind regards

Ger

On 7/27/16, Blindfold Games via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> If you can see, then you are a bad listener
> ==========
>
> When I created the tutorial for Blindfold Racer, I was really confused why
> blind teens had no problem understanding the tutorial, and sighted adults
> would get confused.
>
> I added more pauses ("tap the screen to continue") between each tutorial
> instruction, or more tried rephrasing the sentence, but they just didn't
> understand. Then an auditory therapist mentioned that sighted adults lose
> their ability to listen and comprehend without seeing something to 
> reinforce
> what they are learning. Blind people can't rely on their sight, so their
> auditory attention skills are far superior.
>
> The therapist continued to explain to me that visually impaired people
> develop their auditory cortex in lieu of using their visual cortex.
>
> I learned the true extent of this when I collaborated with Judy Dixon (who
> runs the Talking Book program at the Library of Congress) to build a
> Blindfold Sudoku game. If you are unfamiliar with Sudoku, the basic idea 
> is
> that you must fill a 9×9 grid with digits so that each column and each row
> contains all of the digits from 1 to 9 with no duplicates.
>
> When I play Sudoku, I need to see the entire puzzle to solve it. Blindfold
> Sudoku tells you what number is in each cell, or row, or column and from
> that, you must create the image in your head. Blind Sudoku players are 
> able
> to do this; very few sighted people can.
>
> My blog follows the development of audio games and other technologies that
> we’re building that don’t require using your eyes. It’s a different way of
> perceiving the world, and it’s amazing what you can learn.
>
> Check out our blog, where you can download any of the games for free:
> BlindfoldGames.org (
> http://sable.madmimi.com/click?id=12318.332650.23710.1.80440ad88f1f36c52c7fad22d7ec2c63
> )
>
> Web Version
> http://sable.madmimi.com/click?id=12318.332650.24060-18.1.bbdb2af6d3815fa93b4970ad12eafdbe&p=eyIlN0IlN0JtaW1pLXNpZ25hdHVyZSU3RCU3RCI6IjEyOTM0NjA2Ni05MTcyOTA4MDE5LTdlOWViNGU3ZmQxMDAwNzU3MjhlNjQ3ZWVkZDNiYTNhOWU1OWUwM2IiLCIlN0IlN0JlbWFpbElkJTdEJTdEIjoiMzMyNjUwIn0=
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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Wed Jul 27 16:00:34 2016
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 16:00:34 +0000
Subject: [blindlaw] {Disarmed} FW: Attorney Vacancies Update
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From cjdavis9193 at gmail.com  Wed Jul 27 16:08:26 2016
From: cjdavis9193 at gmail.com (Cody J. Davis)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 12:08:26 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] {Spam?} {Disarmed} Blindfold Games: If you can see,
	then you are a bad listener
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The first blondfold games email seemed like an interesting thing someone would forward out of want to share with a group of those likely to also be interested. I was not bothered by the first email, and I was glad it was sent as the concept is interesting. However, these emails are beginning to sound like advertisements. Which is quite annoying. 
I typically try to read all blind law threads as the are typically filled with useful information. These spam emails are tainting the utility of the mailing list. 

Is there any moderator who can ask the sender to stop or remove them from the list?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 27, 2016, at 11:14 AM, Charles Krugman via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I totally agree. Where is our moderator when we need him?
> Chuck
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw
> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 5:12 AM
> To: Blind Law Mailing List
> Cc: Gerard Sadlier ; Blindfold Games
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] {Spam?} {Disarmed} Blindfold Games: If you can see, then you are a bad listener
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I think these blindfold games emails are spam and would prefer not to
> receive them on this list. Perhaps those of you (if any) who are
> interested could join a dedicated list?
> 
> Many thanks.
> 
> Kind regards
> 
> Ger
> 
>> On 7/27/16, Blindfold Games via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> If you can see, then you are a bad listener
>> ==========
>> 
>> When I created the tutorial for Blindfold Racer, I was really confused why
>> blind teens had no problem understanding the tutorial, and sighted adults
>> would get confused.
>> 
>> I added more pauses ("tap the screen to continue") between each tutorial
>> instruction, or more tried rephrasing the sentence, but they just didn't
>> understand. Then an auditory therapist mentioned that sighted adults lose
>> their ability to listen and comprehend without seeing something to reinforce
>> what they are learning. Blind people can't rely on their sight, so their
>> auditory attention skills are far superior.
>> 
>> The therapist continued to explain to me that visually impaired people
>> develop their auditory cortex in lieu of using their visual cortex.
>> 
>> I learned the true extent of this when I collaborated with Judy Dixon (who
>> runs the Talking Book program at the Library of Congress) to build a
>> Blindfold Sudoku game. If you are unfamiliar with Sudoku, the basic idea is
>> that you must fill a 9×9 grid with digits so that each column and each row
>> contains all of the digits from 1 to 9 with no duplicates.
>> 
>> When I play Sudoku, I need to see the entire puzzle to solve it. Blindfold
>> Sudoku tells you what number is in each cell, or row, or column and from
>> that, you must create the image in your head. Blind Sudoku players are able
>> to do this; very few sighted people can.
>> 
>> My blog follows the development of audio games and other technologies that
>> we’re building that don’t require using your eyes. It’s a different way of
>> perceiving the world, and it’s amazing what you can learn.
>> 
>> Check out our blog, where you can download any of the games for free:
>> BlindfoldGames.org (
>> http://sable.madmimi.com/click?id=12318.332650.23710.1.80440ad88f1f36c52c7fad22d7ec2c63
>> )
>> 
>> Web Version
>> http://sable.madmimi.com/click?id=12318.332650.24060-18.1.bbdb2af6d3815fa93b4970ad12eafdbe&p=eyIlN0IlN0JtaW1pLXNpZ25hdHVyZSU3RCU3RCI6IjEyOTM0NjA2Ni05MTcyOTA4MDE5LTdlOWViNGU3ZmQxMDAwNzU3MjhlNjQ3ZWVkZDNiYTNhOWU1OWUwM2IiLCIlN0IlN0JlbWFpbElkJTdEJTdEIjoiMzMyNjUwIn0=
>> 
>> Unsubscribe
>> https://go.madmimi.com/opt_out?fe=1&pact=332650-129346066-9172908019-7e9eb4e7fd100075728e647eedd3ba3a9e59e03b&amx=9172908019
>> 
>> Blindfold Games | Miami Beach
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From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com  Wed Jul 27 16:17:08 2016
From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 17:17:08 +0100
Subject: [blindlaw] {Spam?} {Disarmed} Blindfold Games: If you can see,
 then you are a bad listener
In-Reply-To: <16165C9D-8EBF-42EA-ABD0-F5A08C080D20@gmail.com>
References: <5798a2b531570_11ef081eda41540187@a2plmmsworker07.prod.iad2.gdg.mail>
	<CAGZitzKsytsR-22nKQRRJJY+B2GrtjZy_2HOg1Jovz0qDQw6hQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<0882EB0D408F49419BA56221F82BA283@Spike>
	<16165C9D-8EBF-42EA-ABD0-F5A08C080D20@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGZitzL8wVMh7YOUfqYfHyT2nfC2KG1o6ubi1g7GjZDbL6YnuQ@mail.gmail.com>

Agreed, nobody objected to the first email, Charles (very properly)
pointed out that the second email was inappropriate and I left it
until the 3rd email before commenting.

Look, I'm conscious that the cure is in danger of being worse than the
disease, in that objections to these emails are themselves generating
traffic on the list, so this will be my last comment.

I would be grateful if the mod could sort this.

Kind regards

Ger

On 7/27/16, Cody J. Davis via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> The first blondfold games email seemed like an interesting thing someone
> would forward out of want to share with a group of those likely to also be
> interested. I was not bothered by the first email, and I was glad it was
> sent as the concept is interesting. However, these emails are beginning to
> sound like advertisements. Which is quite annoying.
> I typically try to read all blind law threads as the are typically filled
> with useful information. These spam emails are tainting the utility of the
> mailing list.
>
> Is there any moderator who can ask the sender to stop or remove them from
> the list?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 27, 2016, at 11:14 AM, Charles Krugman via BlindLaw
>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> I totally agree. Where is our moderator when we need him?
>> Chuck
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 5:12 AM
>> To: Blind Law Mailing List
>> Cc: Gerard Sadlier ; Blindfold Games
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] {Spam?} {Disarmed} Blindfold Games: If you can
>> see, then you are a bad listener
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I think these blindfold games emails are spam and would prefer not to
>> receive them on this list. Perhaps those of you (if any) who are
>> interested could join a dedicated list?
>>
>> Many thanks.
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Ger
>>
>>> On 7/27/16, Blindfold Games via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> If you can see, then you are a bad listener
>>> ==========
>>>
>>> When I created the tutorial for Blindfold Racer, I was really confused
>>> why
>>> blind teens had no problem understanding the tutorial, and sighted adults
>>> would get confused.
>>>
>>> I added more pauses ("tap the screen to continue") between each tutorial
>>> instruction, or more tried rephrasing the sentence, but they just didn't
>>> understand. Then an auditory therapist mentioned that sighted adults lose
>>> their ability to listen and comprehend without seeing something to
>>> reinforce
>>> what they are learning. Blind people can't rely on their sight, so their
>>> auditory attention skills are far superior.
>>>
>>> The therapist continued to explain to me that visually impaired people
>>> develop their auditory cortex in lieu of using their visual cortex.
>>>
>>> I learned the true extent of this when I collaborated with Judy Dixon
>>> (who
>>> runs the Talking Book program at the Library of Congress) to build a
>>> Blindfold Sudoku game. If you are unfamiliar with Sudoku, the basic idea
>>> is
>>> that you must fill a 9×9 grid with digits so that each column and each
>>> row
>>> contains all of the digits from 1 to 9 with no duplicates.
>>>
>>> When I play Sudoku, I need to see the entire puzzle to solve it.
>>> Blindfold
>>> Sudoku tells you what number is in each cell, or row, or column and from
>>> that, you must create the image in your head. Blind Sudoku players are
>>> able
>>> to do this; very few sighted people can.
>>>
>>> My blog follows the development of audio games and other technologies
>>> that
>>> we’re building that don’t require using your eyes. It’s a different way
>>> of
>>> perceiving the world, and it’s amazing what you can learn.
>>>
>>> Check out our blog, where you can download any of the games for free:
>>> BlindfoldGames.org (
>>> http://sable.madmimi.com/click?id=12318.332650.23710.1.80440ad88f1f36c52c7fad22d7ec2c63
>>> )
>>>
>>> Web Version
>>> http://sable.madmimi.com/click?id=12318.332650.24060-18.1.bbdb2af6d3815fa93b4970ad12eafdbe&p=eyIlN0IlN0JtaW1pLXNpZ25hdHVyZSU3RCU3RCI6IjEyOTM0NjA2Ni05MTcyOTA4MDE5LTdlOWViNGU3ZmQxMDAwNzU3MjhlNjQ3ZWVkZDNiYTNhOWU1OWUwM2IiLCIlN0IlN0JlbWFpbElkJTdEJTdEIjoiMzMyNjUwIn0=
>>>
>>> Unsubscribe
>>> https://go.madmimi.com/opt_out?fe=1&pact=332650-129346066-9172908019-7e9eb4e7fd100075728e647eedd3ba3a9e59e03b&amx=9172908019
>>>
>>> Blindfold Games | Miami Beach
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> BlindLaw mailing list
>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> BlindLaw:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com
>>
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From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jul 27 16:24:19 2016
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (Charles Krugman)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 09:24:19 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] {Spam?} {Disarmed} Blindfold Games: If you can see,
	then you are a bad listener
In-Reply-To: <CAGZitzL8wVMh7YOUfqYfHyT2nfC2KG1o6ubi1g7GjZDbL6YnuQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5798a2b531570_11ef081eda41540187@a2plmmsworker07.prod.iad2.gdg.mail><CAGZitzKsytsR-22nKQRRJJY+B2GrtjZy_2HOg1Jovz0qDQw6hQ@mail.gmail.com><0882EB0D408F49419BA56221F82BA283@Spike><16165C9D-8EBF-42EA-ABD0-F5A08C080D20@gmail.com>
	<CAGZitzL8wVMh7YOUfqYfHyT2nfC2KG1o6ubi1g7GjZDbL6YnuQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BC12C20382B74821B839DC5B3E54A63D@Spike>

I emailed the person that I believe is the moderator off list to bring this 
to his attention. However if this is the right person I am using an email 
address that is several years old.
Chuck

-----Original Message----- 
From: Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 9:17 AM
To: Blind Law Mailing List
Cc: Gerard Sadlier
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] {Spam?} {Disarmed} Blindfold Games: If you can see, 
then you are a bad listener

Agreed, nobody objected to the first email, Charles (very properly)
pointed out that the second email was inappropriate and I left it
until the 3rd email before commenting.

Look, I'm conscious that the cure is in danger of being worse than the
disease, in that objections to these emails are themselves generating
traffic on the list, so this will be my last comment.

I would be grateful if the mod could sort this.

Kind regards

Ger

On 7/27/16, Cody J. Davis via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> The first blondfold games email seemed like an interesting thing someone
> would forward out of want to share with a group of those likely to also be
> interested. I was not bothered by the first email, and I was glad it was
> sent as the concept is interesting. However, these emails are beginning to
> sound like advertisements. Which is quite annoying.
> I typically try to read all blind law threads as the are typically filled
> with useful information. These spam emails are tainting the utility of the
> mailing list.
>
> Is there any moderator who can ask the sender to stop or remove them from
> the list?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 27, 2016, at 11:14 AM, Charles Krugman via BlindLaw
>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> I totally agree. Where is our moderator when we need him?
>> Chuck
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 5:12 AM
>> To: Blind Law Mailing List
>> Cc: Gerard Sadlier ; Blindfold Games
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] {Spam?} {Disarmed} Blindfold Games: If you can
>> see, then you are a bad listener
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I think these blindfold games emails are spam and would prefer not to
>> receive them on this list. Perhaps those of you (if any) who are
>> interested could join a dedicated list?
>>
>> Many thanks.
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Ger
>>
>>> On 7/27/16, Blindfold Games via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> If you can see, then you are a bad listener
>>> ==========
>>>
>>> When I created the tutorial for Blindfold Racer, I was really confused
>>> why
>>> blind teens had no problem understanding the tutorial, and sighted 
>>> adults
>>> would get confused.
>>>
>>> I added more pauses ("tap the screen to continue") between each tutorial
>>> instruction, or more tried rephrasing the sentence, but they just didn't
>>> understand. Then an auditory therapist mentioned that sighted adults 
>>> lose
>>> their ability to listen and comprehend without seeing something to
>>> reinforce
>>> what they are learning. Blind people can't rely on their sight, so their
>>> auditory attention skills are far superior.
>>>
>>> The therapist continued to explain to me that visually impaired people
>>> develop their auditory cortex in lieu of using their visual cortex.
>>>
>>> I learned the true extent of this when I collaborated with Judy Dixon
>>> (who
>>> runs the Talking Book program at the Library of Congress) to build a
>>> Blindfold Sudoku game. If you are unfamiliar with Sudoku, the basic idea
>>> is
>>> that you must fill a 9×9 grid with digits so that each column and each
>>> row
>>> contains all of the digits from 1 to 9 with no duplicates.
>>>
>>> When I play Sudoku, I need to see the entire puzzle to solve it.
>>> Blindfold
>>> Sudoku tells you what number is in each cell, or row, or column and from
>>> that, you must create the image in your head. Blind Sudoku players are
>>> able
>>> to do this; very few sighted people can.
>>>
>>> My blog follows the development of audio games and other technologies
>>> that
>>> we’re building that don’t require using your eyes. It’s a different way
>>> of
>>> perceiving the world, and it’s amazing what you can learn.
>>>
>>> Check out our blog, where you can download any of the games for free:
>>> BlindfoldGames.org (
>>> http://sable.madmimi.com/click?id=12318.332650.23710.1.80440ad88f1f36c52c7fad22d7ec2c63
>>> )
>>>
>>> Web Version
>>> http://sable.madmimi.com/click?id=12318.332650.24060-18.1.bbdb2af6d3815fa93b4970ad12eafdbe&p=eyIlN0IlN0JtaW1pLXNpZ25hdHVyZSU3RCU3RCI6IjEyOTM0NjA2Ni05MTcyOTA4MDE5LTdlOWViNGU3ZmQxMDAwNzU3MjhlNjQ3ZWVkZDNiYTNhOWU1OWUwM2IiLCIlN0IlN0JlbWFpbElkJTdEJTdEIjoiMzMyNjUwIn0=
>>>
>>> Unsubscribe
>>> https://go.madmimi.com/opt_out?fe=1&pact=332650-129346066-9172908019-7e9eb4e7fd100075728e647eedd3ba3a9e59e03b&amx=9172908019
>>>
>>> Blindfold Games | Miami Beach
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> BlindLaw mailing list
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>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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From awildheir at gmail.com  Wed Jul 27 18:22:00 2016
From: awildheir at gmail.com (Aimee Harwood)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 14:22:00 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Immediate Concerns
In-Reply-To: <SN2PR10MB010995E86E4C90A757250DA5DC0F0@SN2PR10MB0109.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>
References: <EC37A370-9F22-4900-BBFB-220A5E267F71@gmail.com>
	<CY1PR09MB1146735D59BEA600B15A5305F90E0@CY1PR09MB1146.namprd09.prod.outlook.com>
	<SN2PR10MB010995E86E4C90A757250DA5DC0F0@SN2PR10MB0109.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <278D5D61-1EEE-4D3A-80F3-3E228101DF27@gmail.com>

Oh ok. Did you think it was a different message or something?

Aimee

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 27, 2016, at 2:54 AM, wmodnl wmodnl via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Sorry Amy, disregard my prior message. Have a good evening.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jul 26, 2016, at 16:54, Nightingale, Noel via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Aimee,
>> 
>> Feel free to contact me.  I work for the U.S. Department of Education's Office for Civil Rights.  I am at (206) 607-1600.
>> 
>> Noel Nightingale
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aimee Harwood via BlindLaw
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 12:50 PM
>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Aimee Harwood
>> Subject: [blindlaw] Immediate Concerns
>> 
>> Hi guys I'm trying to find someone who has extensive experience and knowledge on dealing with a school regarding accommodations and fair practices. There's so much that I could tell you but I don't think I could do it enough justice here.
>> 
>> Is a short list of issues:
>> Notes
>> Note takers
>> Exams with complications
>> Remedies for the exams with complications
>> 
>> Administrators withholding information regarding effects of things on your ability to proceed in school.
>> 
>> Please contact me if you have extensive understanding or experience pressing these issues.
>> 
>> Thank you very much.
>> 
>> 
>> Aimee
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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> 
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From steve.jacobson at visi.com  Wed Jul 27 18:31:59 2016
From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 13:31:59 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] {Spam?} {Disarmed} Blindfold Games: If you can see,
	then you are a bad listener
In-Reply-To: <0882EB0D408F49419BA56221F82BA283@Spike>
References: <5798a2b531570_11ef081eda41540187@a2plmmsworker07.prod.iad2.gdg.mail>	<CAGZitzKsytsR-22nKQRRJJY+B2GrtjZy_2HOg1Jovz0qDQw6hQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<0882EB0D408F49419BA56221F82BA283@Spike>
Message-ID: <SNT405-EAS86C947F1E918279B1F5CFBC0F0@phx.gbl>

These messages are going to a lot of our lists.  The information is probably acceptable on some lists but not on others.  I am Guessing that Dave Andrews is likely already on this.  

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson


-----Original Message-----
From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Charles Krugman via BlindLaw
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 10:14 AM
To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Charles Krugman <ckrugman at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] {Spam?} {Disarmed} Blindfold Games: If you can see, then you are a bad listener

I totally agree. Where is our moderator when we need him?
Chuck

-----Original Message----- 
From: Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 5:12 AM
To: Blind Law Mailing List
Cc: Gerard Sadlier ; Blindfold Games
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] {Spam?} {Disarmed} Blindfold Games: If you can see, 
then you are a bad listener

Hi All,

I think these blindfold games emails are spam and would prefer not to
receive them on this list. Perhaps those of you (if any) who are
interested could join a dedicated list?

Many thanks.

Kind regards

Ger

On 7/27/16, Blindfold Games via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> If you can see, then you are a bad listener
> ==========
>
> When I created the tutorial for Blindfold Racer, I was really confused why
> blind teens had no problem understanding the tutorial, and sighted adults
> would get confused.
>
> I added more pauses ("tap the screen to continue") between each tutorial
> instruction, or more tried rephrasing the sentence, but they just didn't
> understand. Then an auditory therapist mentioned that sighted adults lose
> their ability to listen and comprehend without seeing something to 
> reinforce
> what they are learning. Blind people can't rely on their sight, so their
> auditory attention skills are far superior.
>
> The therapist continued to explain to me that visually impaired people
> develop their auditory cortex in lieu of using their visual cortex.
>
> I learned the true extent of this when I collaborated with Judy Dixon (who
> runs the Talking Book program at the Library of Congress) to build a
> Blindfold Sudoku game. If you are unfamiliar with Sudoku, the basic idea 
> is
> that you must fill a 9×9 grid with digits so that each column and each row
> contains all of the digits from 1 to 9 with no duplicates.
>
> When I play Sudoku, I need to see the entire puzzle to solve it. Blindfold
> Sudoku tells you what number is in each cell, or row, or column and from
> that, you must create the image in your head. Blind Sudoku players are 
> able
> to do this; very few sighted people can.
>
> My blog follows the development of audio games and other technologies that
> we’re building that don’t require using your eyes. It’s a different way of
> perceiving the world, and it’s amazing what you can learn.
>
> Check out our blog, where you can download any of the games for free:
> BlindfoldGames.org (
> http://sable.madmimi.com/click?id=12318.332650.23710.1.80440ad88f1f36c52c7fad22d7ec2c63
> )
>
> Web Version
> http://sable.madmimi.com/click?id=12318.332650.24060-18.1.bbdb2af6d3815fa93b4970ad12eafdbe&p=eyIlN0IlN0JtaW1pLXNpZ25hdHVyZSU3RCU3RCI6IjEyOTM0NjA2Ni05MTcyOTA4MDE5LTdlOWViNGU3ZmQxMDAwNzU3MjhlNjQ3ZWVkZDNiYTNhOWU1OWUwM2IiLCIlN0IlN0JlbWFpbElkJTdEJTdEIjoiMzMyNjUwIn0=
>
> Unsubscribe
> https://go.madmimi.com/opt_out?fe=1&pact=332650-129346066-9172908019-7e9eb4e7fd100075728e647eedd3ba3a9e59e03b&amx=9172908019
>
> Blindfold Games | Miami Beach
> _______________________________________________
> BlindLaw mailing list
> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> BlindLaw:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com
>

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From steve.jacobson at visi.com  Wed Jul 27 18:44:15 2016
From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 13:44:15 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] {Spam?} {Disarmed} Blindfold Games: If you can see,
	then you are a bad listener
In-Reply-To: <BC12C20382B74821B839DC5B3E54A63D@Spike>
References: <5798a2b531570_11ef081eda41540187@a2plmmsworker07.prod.iad2.gdg.mail><CAGZitzKsytsR-22nKQRRJJY+B2GrtjZy_2HOg1Jovz0qDQw6hQ@mail.gmail.com><0882EB0D408F49419BA56221F82BA283@Spike><16165C9D-8EBF-42EA-ABD0-F5A08C080D20@gmail.com>	<CAGZitzL8wVMh7YOUfqYfHyT2nfC2KG1o6ubi1g7GjZDbL6YnuQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BC12C20382B74821B839DC5B3E54A63D@Spike>
Message-ID: <SNT405-EAS1852DD45A09D5F0E26B896DBC0F0@phx.gbl>

Charles,

Since my previous note, I have seen elsewhere that Dave Andrews is working on this.  In general, complaints like this should go to him and the list moderator.  If people complain to the list, the number of messages generated usually is greater than the number of originally offending messages.  <smile>

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-----Original Message-----
From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Charles Krugman via BlindLaw
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 11:24 AM
To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Charles Krugman <ckrugman at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] {Spam?} {Disarmed} Blindfold Games: If you can see, then you are a bad listener

I emailed the person that I believe is the moderator off list to bring this 
to his attention. However if this is the right person I am using an email 
address that is several years old.
Chuck

-----Original Message----- 
From: Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 9:17 AM
To: Blind Law Mailing List
Cc: Gerard Sadlier
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] {Spam?} {Disarmed} Blindfold Games: If you can see, 
then you are a bad listener

Agreed, nobody objected to the first email, Charles (very properly)
pointed out that the second email was inappropriate and I left it
until the 3rd email before commenting.

Look, I'm conscious that the cure is in danger of being worse than the
disease, in that objections to these emails are themselves generating
traffic on the list, so this will be my last comment.

I would be grateful if the mod could sort this.

Kind regards

Ger

On 7/27/16, Cody J. Davis via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> The first blondfold games email seemed like an interesting thing someone
> would forward out of want to share with a group of those likely to also be
> interested. I was not bothered by the first email, and I was glad it was
> sent as the concept is interesting. However, these emails are beginning to
> sound like advertisements. Which is quite annoying.
> I typically try to read all blind law threads as the are typically filled
> with useful information. These spam emails are tainting the utility of the
> mailing list.
>
> Is there any moderator who can ask the sender to stop or remove them from
> the list?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 27, 2016, at 11:14 AM, Charles Krugman via BlindLaw
>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> I totally agree. Where is our moderator when we need him?
>> Chuck
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 5:12 AM
>> To: Blind Law Mailing List
>> Cc: Gerard Sadlier ; Blindfold Games
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] {Spam?} {Disarmed} Blindfold Games: If you can
>> see, then you are a bad listener
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I think these blindfold games emails are spam and would prefer not to
>> receive them on this list. Perhaps those of you (if any) who are
>> interested could join a dedicated list?
>>
>> Many thanks.
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Ger
>>
>>> On 7/27/16, Blindfold Games via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> If you can see, then you are a bad listener
>>> ==========
>>>
>>> When I created the tutorial for Blindfold Racer, I was really confused
>>> why
>>> blind teens had no problem understanding the tutorial, and sighted 
>>> adults
>>> would get confused.
>>>
>>> I added more pauses ("tap the screen to continue") between each tutorial
>>> instruction, or more tried rephrasing the sentence, but they just didn't
>>> understand. Then an auditory therapist mentioned that sighted adults 
>>> lose
>>> their ability to listen and comprehend without seeing something to
>>> reinforce
>>> what they are learning. Blind people can't rely on their sight, so their
>>> auditory attention skills are far superior.
>>>
>>> The therapist continued to explain to me that visually impaired people
>>> develop their auditory cortex in lieu of using their visual cortex.
>>>
>>> I learned the true extent of this when I collaborated with Judy Dixon
>>> (who
>>> runs the Talking Book program at the Library of Congress) to build a
>>> Blindfold Sudoku game. If you are unfamiliar with Sudoku, the basic idea
>>> is
>>> that you must fill a 9×9 grid with digits so that each column and each
>>> row
>>> contains all of the digits from 1 to 9 with no duplicates.
>>>
>>> When I play Sudoku, I need to see the entire puzzle to solve it.
>>> Blindfold
>>> Sudoku tells you what number is in each cell, or row, or column and from
>>> that, you must create the image in your head. Blind Sudoku players are
>>> able
>>> to do this; very few sighted people can.
>>>
>>> My blog follows the development of audio games and other technologies
>>> that
>>> we’re building that don’t require using your eyes. It’s a different way
>>> of
>>> perceiving the world, and it’s amazing what you can learn.
>>>
>>> Check out our blog, where you can download any of the games for free:
>>> BlindfoldGames.org (
>>> http://sable.madmimi.com/click?id=12318.332650.23710.1.80440ad88f1f36c52c7fad22d7ec2c63
>>> )
>>>
>>> Web Version
>>> http://sable.madmimi.com/click?id=12318.332650.24060-18.1.bbdb2af6d3815fa93b4970ad12eafdbe&p=eyIlN0IlN0JtaW1pLXNpZ25hdHVyZSU3RCU3RCI6IjEyOTM0NjA2Ni05MTcyOTA4MDE5LTdlOWViNGU3ZmQxMDAwNzU3MjhlNjQ3ZWVkZDNiYTNhOWU1OWUwM2IiLCIlN0IlN0JlbWFpbElkJTdEJTdEIjoiMzMyNjUwIn0=
>>>
>>> Unsubscribe
>>> https://go.madmimi.com/opt_out?fe=1&pact=332650-129346066-9172908019-7e9eb4e7fd100075728e647eedd3ba3a9e59e03b&amx=9172908019
>>>
>>> Blindfold Games | Miami Beach
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> BlindLaw mailing list
>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> BlindLaw:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> BlindLaw:
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>>
>>
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>> BlindLaw:
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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Wed Jul 27 20:06:56 2016
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 20:06:56 +0000
Subject: [blindlaw] Job Announcement from Columbia Legal Services Seattle
Message-ID: <CY1PR09MB1146E9E0659069923EA3E8CBF90F0@CY1PR09MB1146.namprd09.prod.outlook.com>



From: Anna Kim [mailto:anna.kim at columbialegal.org]
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 11:55 AM
Subject: Job Announcement from CLS


My name is Anna and I am with Columbia Legal Services. I am writing to inform you that we currently have a permanent, full-time Staff Attorney position open with the Working Families Project here at our Seattle office location.

Please find attached the job announcement for the position in PDF and Microsoft Word format.

Thank you for your time and attention.

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From cjdavis9193 at gmail.com  Wed Jul 27 20:21:38 2016
From: cjdavis9193 at gmail.com (Cody J. Davis)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 16:21:38 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] {Spam?} {Disarmed} Blindfold Games: If you can see,
	then you are a bad listener
In-Reply-To: <SNT405-EAS1852DD45A09D5F0E26B896DBC0F0@phx.gbl>
References: <5798a2b531570_11ef081eda41540187@a2plmmsworker07.prod.iad2.gdg.mail>
	<CAGZitzKsytsR-22nKQRRJJY+B2GrtjZy_2HOg1Jovz0qDQw6hQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<0882EB0D408F49419BA56221F82BA283@Spike>
	<16165C9D-8EBF-42EA-ABD0-F5A08C080D20@gmail.com>
	<CAGZitzL8wVMh7YOUfqYfHyT2nfC2KG1o6ubi1g7GjZDbL6YnuQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BC12C20382B74821B839DC5B3E54A63D@Spike>
	<SNT405-EAS1852DD45A09D5F0E26B896DBC0F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <A09B4145-FBD0-432D-914E-84780EFCFE6A@gmail.com>

I think it would be a good idea to put information about who to contact to report spam or inappropriate emails somewhere. The paragraph at the end of each blindlaw email where the unsubscribe link is would be a good place. I had no idea who to report to. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 27, 2016, at 2:44 PM, Steve Jacobson via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Charles,
> 
> Since my previous note, I have seen elsewhere that Dave Andrews is working on this.  In general, complaints like this should go to him and the list moderator.  If people complain to the list, the number of messages generated usually is greater than the number of originally offending messages.  <smile>
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Steve Jacobson
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Charles Krugman via BlindLaw
> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 11:24 AM
> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Charles Krugman <ckrugman at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] {Spam?} {Disarmed} Blindfold Games: If you can see, then you are a bad listener
> 
> I emailed the person that I believe is the moderator off list to bring this 
> to his attention. However if this is the right person I am using an email 
> address that is several years old.
> Chuck
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw
> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 9:17 AM
> To: Blind Law Mailing List
> Cc: Gerard Sadlier
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] {Spam?} {Disarmed} Blindfold Games: If you can see, 
> then you are a bad listener
> 
> Agreed, nobody objected to the first email, Charles (very properly)
> pointed out that the second email was inappropriate and I left it
> until the 3rd email before commenting.
> 
> Look, I'm conscious that the cure is in danger of being worse than the
> disease, in that objections to these emails are themselves generating
> traffic on the list, so this will be my last comment.
> 
> I would be grateful if the mod could sort this.
> 
> Kind regards
> 
> Ger
> 
>> On 7/27/16, Cody J. Davis via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> The first blondfold games email seemed like an interesting thing someone
>> would forward out of want to share with a group of those likely to also be
>> interested. I was not bothered by the first email, and I was glad it was
>> sent as the concept is interesting. However, these emails are beginning to
>> sound like advertisements. Which is quite annoying.
>> I typically try to read all blind law threads as the are typically filled
>> with useful information. These spam emails are tainting the utility of the
>> mailing list.
>> 
>> Is there any moderator who can ask the sender to stop or remove them from
>> the list?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 27, 2016, at 11:14 AM, Charles Krugman via BlindLaw
>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I totally agree. Where is our moderator when we need him?
>>> Chuck
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 5:12 AM
>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List
>>> Cc: Gerard Sadlier ; Blindfold Games
>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] {Spam?} {Disarmed} Blindfold Games: If you can
>>> see, then you are a bad listener
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> I think these blindfold games emails are spam and would prefer not to
>>> receive them on this list. Perhaps those of you (if any) who are
>>> interested could join a dedicated list?
>>> 
>>> Many thanks.
>>> 
>>> Kind regards
>>> 
>>> Ger
>>> 
>>>> On 7/27/16, Blindfold Games via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> If you can see, then you are a bad listener
>>>> ==========
>>>> 
>>>> When I created the tutorial for Blindfold Racer, I was really confused
>>>> why
>>>> blind teens had no problem understanding the tutorial, and sighted 
>>>> adults
>>>> would get confused.
>>>> 
>>>> I added more pauses ("tap the screen to continue") between each tutorial
>>>> instruction, or more tried rephrasing the sentence, but they just didn't
>>>> understand. Then an auditory therapist mentioned that sighted adults 
>>>> lose
>>>> their ability to listen and comprehend without seeing something to
>>>> reinforce
>>>> what they are learning. Blind people can't rely on their sight, so their
>>>> auditory attention skills are far superior.
>>>> 
>>>> The therapist continued to explain to me that visually impaired people
>>>> develop their auditory cortex in lieu of using their visual cortex.
>>>> 
>>>> I learned the true extent of this when I collaborated with Judy Dixon
>>>> (who
>>>> runs the Talking Book program at the Library of Congress) to build a
>>>> Blindfold Sudoku game. If you are unfamiliar with Sudoku, the basic idea
>>>> is
>>>> that you must fill a 9×9 grid with digits so that each column and each
>>>> row
>>>> contains all of the digits from 1 to 9 with no duplicates.
>>>> 
>>>> When I play Sudoku, I need to see the entire puzzle to solve it.
>>>> Blindfold
>>>> Sudoku tells you what number is in each cell, or row, or column and from
>>>> that, you must create the image in your head. Blind Sudoku players are
>>>> able
>>>> to do this; very few sighted people can.
>>>> 
>>>> My blog follows the development of audio games and other technologies
>>>> that
>>>> we’re building that don’t require using your eyes. It’s a different way
>>>> of
>>>> perceiving the world, and it’s amazing what you can learn.
>>>> 
>>>> Check out our blog, where you can download any of the games for free:
>>>> BlindfoldGames.org (
>>>> http://sable.madmimi.com/click?id=12318.332650.23710.1.80440ad88f1f36c52c7fad22d7ec2c63
>>>> )
>>>> 
>>>> Web Version
>>>> http://sable.madmimi.com/click?id=12318.332650.24060-18.1.bbdb2af6d3815fa93b4970ad12eafdbe&p=eyIlN0IlN0JtaW1pLXNpZ25hdHVyZSU3RCU3RCI6IjEyOTM0NjA2Ni05MTcyOTA4MDE5LTdlOWViNGU3ZmQxMDAwNzU3MjhlNjQ3ZWVkZDNiYTNhOWU1OWUwM2IiLCIlN0IlN0JlbWFpbElkJTdEJTdEIjoiMzMyNjUwIn0=
>>>> 
>>>> Unsubscribe
>>>> https://go.madmimi.com/opt_out?fe=1&pact=332650-129346066-9172908019-7e9eb4e7fd100075728e647eedd3ba3a9e59e03b&amx=9172908019
>>>> 
>>>> Blindfold Games | Miami Beach
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> BlindLaw mailing list
>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
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>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> BlindLaw:
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> BlindLaw:
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>>> 
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>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> BlindLaw:
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From sbg at sbgaal.com  Wed Jul 27 20:47:42 2016
From: sbg at sbgaal.com (Shannon)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 15:47:42 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] {Spam?} Re: Guidedog verses white cane
In-Reply-To: <CANRhHUTkNzfipP4Kx1NnAaojsfquuWhyRhBWCPAd5=KsFSKNyg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHw8yZHGcfF+x_SGSof2S5e2ZiGd_6sMUM4hwojShwQL-h_r5A@mail.gmail.com>	<594a148f-81f6-0e47-4afc-2e154c768eb4@bakerinet.com>
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When my son was born and was a toddler, my Guide Dog was wonderful with him.  If he didn't want to play he would go in another room and take a nap, but he loved my son.  My guide dog came from Guide Dogs for the Blind in California.

Hope this helps!

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-----Original Message-----
From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Shelley Richards via BlindLaw
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 8:58 AM
To: Blind Law Mailing List
Cc: Shelley Richards
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] {Spam?} Re: Guidedog verses white cane

Hello,
I have used a guide dog for 13 years now.  Whether I chose to use my dog or cane never seemed to matter professionally either in law school or while working as a lawyer.  The only difference is that I find I meet more people with my dog at events because people are curious and want to come over and ask questions.  For me this is wonderful, since I am shy about approaching people myself.  Neither my dog nor my cane has ever caused any inappropriate disruptions in any professional setting though.
I also have a child, and a second one on the way.  My dog never had any trouble with the baby, and hopefully she will still be with me in
6 months when number 2 comes.  She got a little jellous at first because I spent so much time with the baby, but I found that she got over it quickly once I let her hang out with me and the baby.  I also know several other handlers who have children, and I have never heard of any of them having had problems with their dog and the babies or older children.  Also, if the school knows you have small children they will usually keep that in mind when choosing your match.  Of course there are dogs out there who do not like children, but I have not yet met a guide dog who is bad with children.  Just a guess, but I have always figured that they need to be at least very tolerant of all types of people including children in order to properly do their jobs in public, so guide dogs are probably less likely than other dogs to have a problem with children.
Good luck working it all out
Shelley


On 7/22/16, David via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Dear Paul,  I am partially sighted with about 5 degrees of central vision.
>
> 1.  I can't help with the crawling baby issue from a personal 
> experience standpoint, but I've seen dogs around babies without 
> issues.  Your question is a good one for your guide dog school.
>
> 2.  I used a white cane during the last 9 years of my career as 
> general counsel of an insurance company.  I met with senior executives 
> and general counsel of some of the largest corporations in the U.S.  
> My white cane was an issue for about the first 10 seconds of first 
> meeting someone.  It is also a non-issue in court.  I traveled as much 
> as 80,000 miles a year.  I did lose two canes to limo drivers in 
> Manhattan.  The only other negative experience I had was one time when 
> meeting a corporate general counsel, he shook my hand with his left 
> hand. I stupidly asked him if he had hurt his right hand.  He raised a 
> leather covered fist prosthesis and said, "Here."  The meeting was toast.
>
> In my opinion, your acceptance of the white cane by others depends 
> entirely upon your attitude, how you feel about it, and how you carry 
> yourself.  I find it is the same with a guide dog, but except for bar 
> association and board meetings I have not used a guide dog in 
> professional settings.
>
> David and Claire Rose in Clearwater, FL
>
> On 7/21/2016 11:13 PM, Paul Harpur via BlindLaw wrote:
>> I have a professional and personal question I wanted to ask for 
>> people’s views.
>> I am totally blind and went from using a white cane to my first 
>> guidedog back in law school in 2000.  Since then I have always used a 
>> guidedog.  I tried for a while to use a white cane when my first baby 
>> came home and now that he is 1 I put my name down for a dog again.  I 
>> am not sure how:
>> 1.	A guidedog will go with a crawling baby; and
>> 2.	How I will be received using a white cane in the profession.
>> Has anyone had experiences good or bad they could share with me?
>
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From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jul 27 23:08:10 2016
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (Charles Krugman)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 16:08:10 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] {Spam?} {Disarmed} Blindfold Games: If you can see,
	then you are a bad listener
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the moderator for the NFB lists is David Andrews who responded to my earlier 
email that he has contacted the offending party. That is all I know now.
Chuck

-----Original Message----- 
From: Cody J. Davis via BlindLaw
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 1:21 PM
To: Blind Law Mailing List
Cc: Cody J. Davis
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] {Spam?} {Disarmed} Blindfold Games: If you can 
see,then you are a bad listener

I think it would be a good idea to put information about who to contact to 
report spam or inappropriate emails somewhere. The paragraph at the end of 
each blindlaw email where the unsubscribe link is would be a good place. I 
had no idea who to report to.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 27, 2016, at 2:44 PM, Steve Jacobson via BlindLaw 
> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Charles,
>
> Since my previous note, I have seen elsewhere that Dave Andrews is working 
> on this.  In general, complaints like this should go to him and the list 
> moderator.  If people complain to the list, the number of messages 
> generated usually is greater than the number of originally offending 
> messages.  <smile>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Charles 
> Krugman via BlindLaw
> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 11:24 AM
> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Charles Krugman <ckrugman at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] {Spam?} {Disarmed} Blindfold Games: If you can 
> see, then you are a bad listener
>
> I emailed the person that I believe is the moderator off list to bring 
> this
> to his attention. However if this is the right person I am using an email
> address that is several years old.
> Chuck
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw
> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 9:17 AM
> To: Blind Law Mailing List
> Cc: Gerard Sadlier
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] {Spam?} {Disarmed} Blindfold Games: If you can 
> see,
> then you are a bad listener
>
> Agreed, nobody objected to the first email, Charles (very properly)
> pointed out that the second email was inappropriate and I left it
> until the 3rd email before commenting.
>
> Look, I'm conscious that the cure is in danger of being worse than the
> disease, in that objections to these emails are themselves generating
> traffic on the list, so this will be my last comment.
>
> I would be grateful if the mod could sort this.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Ger
>
>> On 7/27/16, Cody J. Davis via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> The first blondfold games email seemed like an interesting thing someone
>> would forward out of want to share with a group of those likely to also 
>> be
>> interested. I was not bothered by the first email, and I was glad it was
>> sent as the concept is interesting. However, these emails are beginning 
>> to
>> sound like advertisements. Which is quite annoying.
>> I typically try to read all blind law threads as the are typically filled
>> with useful information. These spam emails are tainting the utility of 
>> the
>> mailing list.
>>
>> Is there any moderator who can ask the sender to stop or remove them from
>> the list?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jul 27, 2016, at 11:14 AM, Charles Krugman via BlindLaw
>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I totally agree. Where is our moderator when we need him?
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 5:12 AM
>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List
>>> Cc: Gerard Sadlier ; Blindfold Games
>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] {Spam?} {Disarmed} Blindfold Games: If you can
>>> see, then you are a bad listener
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I think these blindfold games emails are spam and would prefer not to
>>> receive them on this list. Perhaps those of you (if any) who are
>>> interested could join a dedicated list?
>>>
>>> Many thanks.
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>>
>>> Ger
>>>
>>>> On 7/27/16, Blindfold Games via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> If you can see, then you are a bad listener
>>>> ==========
>>>>
>>>> When I created the tutorial for Blindfold Racer, I was really confused
>>>> why
>>>> blind teens had no problem understanding the tutorial, and sighted
>>>> adults
>>>> would get confused.
>>>>
>>>> I added more pauses ("tap the screen to continue") between each 
>>>> tutorial
>>>> instruction, or more tried rephrasing the sentence, but they just 
>>>> didn't
>>>> understand. Then an auditory therapist mentioned that sighted adults
>>>> lose
>>>> their ability to listen and comprehend without seeing something to
>>>> reinforce
>>>> what they are learning. Blind people can't rely on their sight, so 
>>>> their
>>>> auditory attention skills are far superior.
>>>>
>>>> The therapist continued to explain to me that visually impaired people
>>>> develop their auditory cortex in lieu of using their visual cortex.
>>>>
>>>> I learned the true extent of this when I collaborated with Judy Dixon
>>>> (who
>>>> runs the Talking Book program at the Library of Congress) to build a
>>>> Blindfold Sudoku game. If you are unfamiliar with Sudoku, the basic 
>>>> idea
>>>> is
>>>> that you must fill a 9×9 grid with digits so that each column and each
>>>> row
>>>> contains all of the digits from 1 to 9 with no duplicates.
>>>>
>>>> When I play Sudoku, I need to see the entire puzzle to solve it.
>>>> Blindfold
>>>> Sudoku tells you what number is in each cell, or row, or column and 
>>>> from
>>>> that, you must create the image in your head. Blind Sudoku players are
>>>> able
>>>> to do this; very few sighted people can.
>>>>
>>>> My blog follows the development of audio games and other technologies
>>>> that
>>>> we’re building that don’t require using your eyes. It’s a different way
>>>> of
>>>> perceiving the world, and it’s amazing what you can learn.
>>>>
>>>> Check out our blog, where you can download any of the games for free:
>>>> BlindfoldGames.org (
>>>> http://sable.madmimi.com/click?id=12318.332650.23710.1.80440ad88f1f36c52c7fad22d7ec2c63
>>>> )
>>>>
>>>> Web Version
>>>> http://sable.madmimi.com/click?id=12318.332650.24060-18.1.bbdb2af6d3815fa93b4970ad12eafdbe&p=eyIlN0IlN0JtaW1pLXNpZ25hdHVyZSU3RCU3RCI6IjEyOTM0NjA2Ni05MTcyOTA4MDE5LTdlOWViNGU3ZmQxMDAwNzU3MjhlNjQ3ZWVkZDNiYTNhOWU1OWUwM2IiLCIlN0IlN0JlbWFpbElkJTdEJTdEIjoiMzMyNjUwIn0=
>>>>
>>>> Unsubscribe
>>>> https://go.madmimi.com/opt_out?fe=1&pact=332650-129346066-9172908019-7e9eb4e7fd100075728e647eedd3ba3a9e59e03b&amx=9172908019
>>>>
>>>> Blindfold Games | Miami Beach
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From dandrews at visi.com  Thu Jul 28 01:25:55 2016
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 20:25:55 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] {Spam?} {Disarmed} Blindfold Games: If you can  see,
 then you are a bad listener
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He has unsubscribed from this list, and I have 
corresponded with him about frequency!

David Andrews, List Owner

At 11:17 AM 7/27/2016, you wrote:
>Agreed, nobody objected to the first email, 
>Charles (very properly) pointed out that the 
>second email was inappropriate and I left it 
>until the 3rd email before commenting. Look, I'm 
>conscious that the cure is in danger of being 
>worse than the disease, in that objections to 
>these emails are themselves generating traffic 
>on the list, so this will be my last comment. I 
>would be grateful if the mod could sort this. 
>Kind regards Ger On 7/27/16, Cody J. Davis via 
>BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: > The 
>first blondfold games email seemed like an 
>interesting thing someone > would forward out of 
>want to share with a group of those likely to 
>also be > interested. I was not bothered by the 
>first email, and I was glad it was > sent as the 
>concept is interesting. However, these emails 
>are beginning to > sound like advertisements. 
>Which is quite annoying. > I typically try to 
>read all blind law threads as the are typically 
>filled > with useful information. These spam 
>emails are tainting the utility of the > mailing 
>list. > > Is there any moderator who can ask the 
>sender to stop or remove them from > the 
>list? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 27, 
>2016, at 11:14 AM, Charles Krugman via 
>BlindLaw >> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: >> >> I 
>totally agree. Where is our moderator when we 
>need him? >> Chuck >> >> -----Original 
>Message----- From: Gerard Sadlier via 
>BlindLaw >> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 5:12 
>AM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Cc: Gerard 
>Sadlier ; Blindfold Games >> Subject: Re: 
>[blindlaw] {Spam?} {Disarmed} Blindfold Games: 
>If you can >> see, then you are a bad 
>listener >> >> Hi All, >> >> I think these 
>blindfold games emails are spam and would prefer 
>not to >> receive them on this list. Perhaps 
>those of you (if any) who are >> interested 
>could join a dedicated list? >> >> Many 
>thanks. >> >> Kind regards >> >> Ger >> >>> On 
>7/27/16, Blindfold Games via BlindLaw 
><blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: >>> If you can see, 
>then you are a bad listener >>> 
>========== >>> >>> When I created the tutorial 
>for Blindfold Racer, I was really confused >>> 
>why >>> blind teens had no problem understanding 
>the tutorial, and sighted adults >>> would get 
>confused. >>> >>> I added more pauses ("tap the 
>screen to continue") between each tutorial >>> 
>instruction, or more tried rephrasing the 
>sentence, but they just didn't >>> understand. 
>Then an auditory therapist mentioned that 
>sighted adults lose >>> their ability to listen 
>and comprehend without seeing something to >>> 
>reinforce >>> what they are learning. Blind 
>people can't rely on their sight, so their >>> 
>auditory attention skills are far 
>superior. >>> >>> The therapist continued to 
>explain to me that visually impaired people >>> 
>develop their auditory cortex in lieu of using 
>their visual cortex. >>> >>> I learned the true 
>extent of this when I collaborated with Judy 
>Dixon >>> (who >>> runs the Talking Book program 
>at the Library of Congress) to build a >>> 
>Blindfold Sudoku game. If you are unfamiliar 
>with Sudoku, the basic idea >>> is >>> that you 
>must fill a 9×9 grid with digits so that each 
>column and each >>> row >>> contains all of the 
>digits from 1 to 9 with no duplicates. >>> >>> 
>When I play Sudoku, I need to see the entire 
>puzzle to solve it. >>> Blindfold >>> Sudoku 
>tells you what number is in each cell, or row, 
>or column and from >>> that, you must create the 
>image in your head. Blind Sudoku players are >>> 
>able >>> to do this; very few sighted people 
>can. >>> >>> My blog follows the development of 
>audio games and other technologies >>> that >>> 
>we’re building that don’t require using your 
>eyes. It’s a different way >>> of >>> 
>perceiving the world, and it’s amazing what 
>you can learn. >>> >>> Check out our blog, where 
>you can download any of the games for free: >>> 
>BlindfoldGames.org ( >>> 
>http://sable.madmimi.com/click?id=12318.332650.23710.1.80440ad88f1f36c52c7fad22d7ec2c63  
> >>> ) >>> >>> Web Version >>> 
>http://sable.madmimi.com/click?id=12318.332650.24060-WFpbElkJTdEJTdEIjoiMzMyNjUwIn0=  
> >>> >>> Unsubscribe >>> 
>https://go.madmimi.com/opt_out?fe=1&pact=332650-129346066-9172908019-7e9eb4e7fd100075728e647eedd3ba3a9e59e03b&amx=9172908019  
> >>> >>> Blindfold Games | Miami Beach >>> 
>_______________________________________________ > 
> >> BlindLaw mailing list >>> 
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>get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> 
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> >> >> 
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From dandrews at visi.com  Thu Jul 28 01:26:56 2016
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 20:26:56 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] {Spam?} {Disarmed} Blindfold Games: If you can  see,
 then you are a bad listener
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I have had the same e-mail address, 
dandrews at visi.com for something like 18 years.

Dave

At 11:24 AM 7/27/2016, you wrote:
>I emailed the person that I believe is the 
>moderator off list to bring this to his 
>attention. However if this is the right person I 
>am using an email address that is several years 
>old. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: 
>Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw Sent: Wednesday, 
>July 27, 2016 9:17 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List 
>Cc: Gerard Sadlier Subject: Re: [blindlaw] 
>{Spam?} {Disarmed} Blindfold Games: If you can 
>see, then you are a bad listener Agreed, nobody 
>objected to the first email, Charles (very 
>properly) pointed out that the second email was 
>inappropriate and I left it until the 3rd email 
>before commenting. Look, I'm conscious that the 
>cure is in danger of being worse than the 
>disease, in that objections to these emails are 
>themselves generating traffic on the list, so 
>this will be my last comment. I would be 
>grateful if the mod could sort this. Kind 
>regards Ger On 7/27/16, Cody J. Davis via 
>BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: > The 
>first blondfold games email seemed like an 
>interesting thing someone > would forward out of 
>want to share with a group of those likely to 
>also be > interested. I was not bothered by the 
>first email, and I was glad it was > sent as the 
>concept is interesting. However, these emails 
>are beginning to > sound like advertisements. 
>Which is quite annoying. > I typically try to 
>read all blind law threads as the are typically 
>filled > with useful information. These spam 
>emails are tainting the utility of the > mailing 
>list. > > Is there any moderator who can ask the 
>sender to stop or remove them from > the 
>list? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 27, 
>2016, at 11:14 AM, Charles Krugman via 
>BlindLaw >> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: >> >> I 
>totally agree. Where is our moderator when we 
>need him? >> Chuck >> >> -----Original 
>Message----- From: Gerard Sadlier via 
>BlindLaw >> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 5:12 
>AM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Cc: Gerard 
>Sadlier ; Blindfold Games >> Subject: Re: 
>[blindlaw] {Spam?} {Disarmed} Blindfold Games: 
>If you can >> see, then you are a bad 
>listener >> >> Hi All, >> >> I think these 
>blindfold games emails are spam and would prefer 
>not to >> receive them on this list. Perhaps 
>those of you (if any) who are >> interested 
>could join a dedicated list? >> >> Many 
>thanks. >> >> Kind regards >> >> Ger >> >>> On 
>7/27/16, Blindfold Games via BlindLaw 
><blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: >>> If you can see, 
>then you are a bad listener >>> 
>========== >>> >>> When I created the tutorial 
>for Blindfold Racer, I was really confused >>> 
>why >>> blind teens had no problem understanding 
>the tutorial, and sighted >>> adults >>> would 
>get confused. >>> >>> I added more pauses ("tap 
>the screen to continue") between each 
>tutorial >>> instruction, or more tried 
>rephrasing the sentence, but they just 
>didn't >>> understand. Then an auditory 
>therapist mentioned that sighted adults >>> 
>lose >>> their ability to listen and comprehend 
>without seeing something to >>> reinforce >>> 
>what they are learning. Blind people can't rely 
>on their sight, so their >>> auditory attention 
>skills are far superior. >>> >>> The therapist 
>continued to explain to me that visually 
>impaired people >>> develop their auditory 
>cortex in lieu of using their visual 
>cortex. >>> >>> I learned the true extent of 
>this when I collaborated with Judy Dixon >>> 
>(who >>> runs the Talking Book program at the 
>Library of Congress) to build a >>> Blindfold 
>Sudoku game. If you are unfamiliar with Sudoku, 
>the basic idea >>> is >>> that you must fill a 
>9×9 grid with digits so that each column and 
>each >>> row >>> contains all of the digits from 
>1 to 9 with no duplicates. >>> >>> When I play 
>Sudoku, I need to see the entire puzzle to solve 
>it. >>> Blindfold >>> Sudoku tells you what 
>number is in each cell, or row, or column and 
>from >>> that, you must create the image in your 
>head. Blind Sudoku players are >>> able >>> to 
>do this; very few sighted people can. >>> >>> My 
>blog follows the development of audio games and 
>other technologies >>> that >>> we’re building 
>that don’t require using your eyes. It’s a 
>different way >>> of >>> perceiving the world, 
>and it’s amazing what you can learn. >>> >>> 
>Check out our blog, where you can download any 
>of the games for free: >>> BlindfoldGames.org 
>( >>> 
>http://sable.madmimi.com/click?id=12318.332650.23710.1.80440ad88f1f36c52c7fad22d7ec2c63  
> >>> ) >>> >>> Web Version >>> 
>http://sable.madmimi.com/click?id=12318.332650.24060-



From dandrews at visi.com  Thu Jul 28 01:27:29 2016
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 20:27:29 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] {Spam?} {Disarmed} Blindfold Games: If you can  see,
 then you are a bad listener
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Right you are!

Dave

At 01:31 PM 7/27/2016, you wrote:
>These messages are going to a lot of our 
>lists.  The information is probably acceptable 
>on some lists but not on others.  I am Guessing 
>that Dave Andrews is likely already on 
>this.  Best regards, Steve Jacobson 
>-----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw 
>[mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
>Of Charles Krugman via BlindLaw Sent: Wednesday, 
>July 27, 2016 10:14 AM To: Blind Law Mailing 
>List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> Cc: Charles Krugman 
><ckrugman at sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] 
>{Spam?} {Disarmed} Blindfold Games: If you can 
>see, then you are a bad listener I totally 
>agree. Where is our moderator when we need him? 
>Chuck -----Original Message----- From: Gerard 
>Sadlier via BlindLaw Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 
>2016 5:12 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: 
>Gerard Sadlier ; Blindfold Games Subject: Re: 
>[blindlaw] {Spam?} {Disarmed} Blindfold Games: 
>If you can see, then you are a bad listener Hi 
>All, I think these blindfold games emails are 
>spam and would prefer not to receive them on 
>this list. Perhaps those of you (if any) who are 
>interested could join a dedicated list? Many 
>thanks. Kind regards Ger On 7/27/16, Blindfold 
>Games via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> 
>wrote: > If you can see, then you are a bad 
>listener > ========== > > When I created the 
>tutorial for Blindfold Racer, I was really 
>confused why > blind teens had no problem 
>understanding the tutorial, and sighted adults > 
>would get confused. > > I added more pauses 
>("tap the screen to continue") between each 
>tutorial > instruction, or more tried rephrasing 
>the sentence, but they just didn't > understand. 
>Then an auditory therapist mentioned that 
>sighted adults lose > their ability to listen 
>and comprehend without seeing something to > 
>reinforce > what they are learning. Blind people 
>can't rely on their sight, so their > auditory 
>attention skills are far superior. > > The 
>therapist continued to explain to me that 
>visually impaired people > develop their 
>auditory cortex in lieu of using their visual 
>cortex. > > I learned the true extent of this 
>when I collaborated with Judy Dixon (who > runs 
>the Talking Book program at the Library of 
>Congress) to build a > Blindfold Sudoku game. If 
>you are unfamiliar with Sudoku, the basic idea > 
>is > that you must fill a 9×9 grid with digits 
>so that each column and each row > contains all 
>of the digits from 1 to 9 with no 
>duplicates. > > When I play Sudoku, I need to 
>see the entire puzzle to solve it. Blindfold > 
>Sudoku tells you what number is in each cell, or 
>row, or column and from > that, you must create 
>the image in your head. Blind Sudoku players 
>are > able > to do this; very few sighted people 
>can. > > My blog follows the development of 
>audio games and other technologies that > 
>we’re building that don’t require using your 
>eyes. It’s a different way of > perceiving the 
>world, and it’s amazing what you can 
>learn. > > Check out our blog, where you can 
>download any of the games for free: > 
>BlindfoldGames.org ( > 
>http://sable.madmimi.com/click?id=12318.332650.23710.1.80440ad88f1f36c52c7fad22d7ec2c63  
> > ) > > Web Version > 
>http://sable.madmimi.com/click?id=12318.332650.24060-18.1.bbdb2af6d3815fa93b4970ad12eafdbe&p=eyIlN0IlN0JtaW1pLXNpZ25hdHVyZSU3RCU3RCI6IjEyOTM0NjA2Ni05MTcyOTA4MDE5LTdlOWViNGU3ZmQxMDAwNzU3MjhlNjQ3ZWVkZDNiYTNhOWU1OWUwM2IiLCIlN0IlN0JlbWFpbElkJTdEJTdEIjoiMzMyNjUwIn0=  
> > > Unsubscribe > 
>https://go.madmimi.com/opt_out?fe=1&pact=332650-129346066-9172908019-7e9eb4e7fd100075728e647eedd3ba3a9e59e03b&amx=9172908019  
> > > Blindfold



From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com  Thu Jul 28 19:19:54 2016
From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 20:19:54 +0100
Subject: [blindlaw] Special Requirements for Affidavits Sworn by Blind
	People?
Message-ID: <CAGZitzLiL+eXMTzk0NFuqKqBWPcVsLMWEnS6MvU--jsEDMsbHA@mail.gmail.com>

All

I'd be really grateful for any information you may have concerning
whether in jurisdictions (other than Ireland) affidavits which are
being sworn by a blind person are subjected to special requirements.

In Ireland, the following provisions of Order 40, Rule 14 of the Rules
of the Superior Courts are applicable.

“(2) A person taking an affidavit shall, where it appears to him that
the affidavit is to be sworn by any person who appears to be
illiterate or blind—
(a) ensure that the affidavit is read in his presence to the deponent
and that the deponent has fully understood it,
(b) [relates to deponents who don't understand either English or Irish] … and
(c) certify in the jurat that the affidavit was read in his presence
to the deponent (in a case to which paragraph (b) refers, by a
suitably qualified interpreter), that the deponent fully understood it
and that the deponent made his signature or mark in his presence.”

I have to say I think these are onerous, particularly for a solicitor
(lawyer) who has to draft and swear affidavits regularly.

I fully understand what the rules are there to avoid but I'm not sure
that they have quite kept up with information technology. Certainly
any affidavit I swear is something I have drafted myself and read over
before printing.

Views welcome.

Kind regards

Ger


From rfarber at jw.com  Thu Jul 28 19:49:18 2016
From: rfarber at jw.com (Farber, Randy)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 19:49:18 +0000
Subject: [blindlaw] Special Requirements for Affidavits Sworn by
	Blind	People?
In-Reply-To: <CAGZitzLiL+eXMTzk0NFuqKqBWPcVsLMWEnS6MvU--jsEDMsbHA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGZitzLiL+eXMTzk0NFuqKqBWPcVsLMWEnS6MvU--jsEDMsbHA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <31F2EE3645B8CB43A190156AB388DF13A7513A92@pdc-exch02.jwllp.com>

Ger - 

	In the United States an affidavit is a statement sworn to in front of a notary and a notary cannot notarize one's own signature.  Therefore, there are always two persons; the person signing/swearing to the affidavit and the notary who certifies the signature on the affidavit.  Are the laws in Ireland different so that a notary can authenticate one's own signature?

Randy

-----Original Message-----
From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 2:20 PM
To: blindlaw
Cc: Gerard Sadlier
Subject: [blindlaw] Special Requirements for Affidavits Sworn by Blind People?

All

I'd be really grateful for any information you may have concerning whether in jurisdictions (other than Ireland) affidavits which are being sworn by a blind person are subjected to special requirements.

In Ireland, the following provisions of Order 40, Rule 14 of the Rules of the Superior Courts are applicable.

“(2) A person taking an affidavit shall, where it appears to him that the affidavit is to be sworn by any person who appears to be illiterate or blind—
(a) ensure that the affidavit is read in his presence to the deponent and that the deponent has fully understood it,
(b) [relates to deponents who don't understand either English or Irish] … and
(c) certify in the jurat that the affidavit was read in his presence to the deponent (in a case to which paragraph (b) refers, by a suitably qualified interpreter), that the deponent fully understood it and that the deponent made his signature or mark in his presence.”

I have to say I think these are onerous, particularly for a solicitor
(lawyer) who has to draft and swear affidavits regularly.

I fully understand what the rules are there to avoid but I'm not sure that they have quite kept up with information technology. Certainly any affidavit I swear is something I have drafted myself and read over before printing.

Views welcome.

Kind regards

Ger

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From wickps at gmail.com  Thu Jul 28 20:09:07 2016
From: wickps at gmail.com (Paul Wick)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 13:09:07 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Special Requirements for Affidavits Sworn by Blind
	People?
In-Reply-To: <31F2EE3645B8CB43A190156AB388DF13A7513A92@pdc-exch02.jwllp.com>
References: <CAGZitzLiL+eXMTzk0NFuqKqBWPcVsLMWEnS6MvU--jsEDMsbHA@mail.gmail.com>
	<31F2EE3645B8CB43A190156AB388DF13A7513A92@pdc-exch02.jwllp.com>
Message-ID: <46E73322-3AB5-4EEB-9267-00B8FE9DAFD6@gmail.com>

In a related vein blind people are prohibited from acting as witnesses under British Columbia's Wills Act.

Paul

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 28, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Farber, Randy via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Ger - 
> 
>    In the United States an affidavit is a statement sworn to in front of a notary and a notary cannot notarize one's own signature.  Therefore, there are always two persons; the person signing/swearing to the affidavit and the notary who certifies the signature on the affidavit.  Are the laws in Ireland different so that a notary can authenticate one's own signature?
> 
> Randy
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw
> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 2:20 PM
> To: blindlaw
> Cc: Gerard Sadlier
> Subject: [blindlaw] Special Requirements for Affidavits Sworn by Blind People?
> 
> All
> 
> I'd be really grateful for any information you may have concerning whether in jurisdictions (other than Ireland) affidavits which are being sworn by a blind person are subjected to special requirements.
> 
> In Ireland, the following provisions of Order 40, Rule 14 of the Rules of the Superior Courts are applicable.
> 
> “(2) A person taking an affidavit shall, where it appears to him that the affidavit is to be sworn by any person who appears to be illiterate or blind—
> (a) ensure that the affidavit is read in his presence to the deponent and that the deponent has fully understood it,
> (b) [relates to deponents who don't understand either English or Irish] … and
> (c) certify in the jurat that the affidavit was read in his presence to the deponent (in a case to which paragraph (b) refers, by a suitably qualified interpreter), that the deponent fully understood it and that the deponent made his signature or mark in his presence.”
> 
> I have to say I think these are onerous, particularly for a solicitor
> (lawyer) who has to draft and swear affidavits regularly.
> 
> I fully understand what the rules are there to avoid but I'm not sure that they have quite kept up with information technology. Certainly any affidavit I swear is something I have drafted myself and read over before printing.
> 
> Views welcome.
> 
> Kind regards
> 
> Ger
> 
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From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com  Thu Jul 28 20:17:09 2016
From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 21:17:09 +0100
Subject: [blindlaw] Special Requirements for Affidavits Sworn by Blind
	People?
In-Reply-To: <46E73322-3AB5-4EEB-9267-00B8FE9DAFD6@gmail.com>
References: <CAGZitzLiL+eXMTzk0NFuqKqBWPcVsLMWEnS6MvU--jsEDMsbHA@mail.gmail.com>
	<31F2EE3645B8CB43A190156AB388DF13A7513A92@pdc-exch02.jwllp.com>
	<46E73322-3AB5-4EEB-9267-00B8FE9DAFD6@gmail.com>
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Yes and at common law, see Re Gibson Decd [1947] an English decision.
Mine is a slightly different question though.

On 7/28/16, Paul Wick via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> In a related vein blind people are prohibited from acting as witnesses under
> British Columbia's Wills Act.
>
> Paul
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 28, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Farber, Randy via BlindLaw
>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Ger -
>>
>>    In the United States an affidavit is a statement sworn to in front of a
>> notary and a notary cannot notarize one's own signature.  Therefore, there
>> are always two persons; the person signing/swearing to the affidavit and
>> the notary who certifies the signature on the affidavit.  Are the laws in
>> Ireland different so that a notary can authenticate one's own signature?
>>
>> Randy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gerard
>> Sadlier via BlindLaw
>> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 2:20 PM
>> To: blindlaw
>> Cc: Gerard Sadlier
>> Subject: [blindlaw] Special Requirements for Affidavits Sworn by Blind
>> People?
>>
>> All
>>
>> I'd be really grateful for any information you may have concerning whether
>> in jurisdictions (other than Ireland) affidavits which are being sworn by
>> a blind person are subjected to special requirements.
>>
>> In Ireland, the following provisions of Order 40, Rule 14 of the Rules of
>> the Superior Courts are applicable.
>>
>> “(2) A person taking an affidavit shall, where it appears to him that the
>> affidavit is to be sworn by any person who appears to be illiterate or
>> blind—
>> (a) ensure that the affidavit is read in his presence to the deponent and
>> that the deponent has fully understood it,
>> (b) [relates to deponents who don't understand either English or Irish] …
>> and
>> (c) certify in the jurat that the affidavit was read in his presence to
>> the deponent (in a case to which paragraph (b) refers, by a suitably
>> qualified interpreter), that the deponent fully understood it and that the
>> deponent made his signature or mark in his presence.”
>>
>> I have to say I think these are onerous, particularly for a solicitor
>> (lawyer) who has to draft and swear affidavits regularly.
>>
>> I fully understand what the rules are there to avoid but I'm not sure that
>> they have quite kept up with information technology. Certainly any
>> affidavit I swear is something I have drafted myself and read over before
>> printing.
>>
>> Views welcome.
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Ger
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From shelleyrichards9 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 29 15:15:35 2016
From: shelleyrichards9 at gmail.com (Shelley Richards)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 11:15:35 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Special Requirements for Affidavits Sworn by Blind
	People?
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References: <CAGZitzLiL+eXMTzk0NFuqKqBWPcVsLMWEnS6MvU--jsEDMsbHA@mail.gmail.com>
	<31F2EE3645B8CB43A190156AB388DF13A7513A92@pdc-exch02.jwllp.com>
	<46E73322-3AB5-4EEB-9267-00B8FE9DAFD6@gmail.com>
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The United states has different requirements depending on which state
you are in.  The following is taken from the national Notary
Association.  Although it is from 2012 and may be a little out of date
if states have changed any of there rules.
What To Do If A Signer Is Visually Impaired
 By NNA Staff
on April 03, 2012
in
Healthcare Professionals
 It is not uncommon to encounter a patient who needs a notarization
but is visually
impaired in some way and cannot read the document being notarized. Here are some
guidelines on how to proceed in such situations.
 If a signer is visually impaired, the Notary should always proceed
carefully because
there is a risk that the signer may have been misled about the
contents of a document
he or she cannot see or read. If state law does not specify otherwise,
the Notary
must determine whether the documents presented by a visually impaired person are
the ones they intend to sign. One way of doing this is to ask the
individual to explain
the document’s purpose.
 In the state of Florida, a Notary is permitted to notarize the
signature of a person
who is blind after the Notary has read the entire instrument to the
signer. The Notary
must read the document verbatim; it’s important not to attempt to
explain the document’s
meaning to the signer or answer any questions the signer has about the
document’s
legal effects as this would constitute the unauthorized practice of
law. Maine and
North Dakota also recommend reading the document to a visually
impaired signer without
explaining the contents before proceeding with the notarization.
 If a person is unable to sign a document due to visual impairment,
some states —
including Iowa, Michigan and Washington — permit the signer to direct the Notary
or another person to sign the disabled person’s name on the document
while the disabled
person is present during a notarization. Because this procedure leaves
the signer
extremely vulnerable to potential exploitation, it’s strongly
recommended you contact
your state Notary-regulating office or the NNA Notary Hotline to
confirm this request
may be performed for a disabled signer, and whether your jurisdiction
has any other
special requirements.
 For example, Massachusetts, Mississippi, Nebraska, New Mexico, North
Carolina, Rhode
Island, and Wyoming only permit disabled singers to direct someone
else to sign their
name if two witnesses unaffected by the document are present, and Texas requires
a single witness who must also be identified by the Notary. Again, if
you are asked
to notarize for a visually impaired signer, if there are any questions
do not proceed
until you confirm with your state Notary regulating agency or the NNA
Hotline that
you have met all steps required by state law.

I can tell you that I personally have never been questioned by a
notary, other than a simple have you read and understood the document
you are signing.  From my understanding most states do not require
that the document be read to the blind person, but if the notary has
doubts about the persons understanding of the document then they
should ask them questions to confirm that they do understand what they
are signing.
My mother and sister are also notaries, and the only special rules
they were ever aware of were those regarding a disabled person who is
unable to sign their own name, and need to direct someone else to do
so for them.
I hope this helps answer your question.

Shelley


On 7/28/16, Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Yes and at common law, see Re Gibson Decd [1947] an English decision.
> Mine is a slightly different question though.
>
> On 7/28/16, Paul Wick via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> In a related vein blind people are prohibited from acting as witnesses
>> under
>> British Columbia's Wills Act.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jul 28, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Farber, Randy via BlindLaw
>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ger -
>>>
>>>    In the United States an affidavit is a statement sworn to in front of
>>> a
>>> notary and a notary cannot notarize one's own signature.  Therefore,
>>> there
>>> are always two persons; the person signing/swearing to the affidavit and
>>> the notary who certifies the signature on the affidavit.  Are the laws in
>>> Ireland different so that a notary can authenticate one's own signature?
>>>
>>> Randy
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gerard
>>> Sadlier via BlindLaw
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 2:20 PM
>>> To: blindlaw
>>> Cc: Gerard Sadlier
>>> Subject: [blindlaw] Special Requirements for Affidavits Sworn by Blind
>>> People?
>>>
>>> All
>>>
>>> I'd be really grateful for any information you may have concerning
>>> whether
>>> in jurisdictions (other than Ireland) affidavits which are being sworn by
>>> a blind person are subjected to special requirements.
>>>
>>> In Ireland, the following provisions of Order 40, Rule 14 of the Rules of
>>> the Superior Courts are applicable.
>>>
>>> “(2) A person taking an affidavit shall, where it appears to him that the
>>> affidavit is to be sworn by any person who appears to be illiterate or
>>> blind—
>>> (a) ensure that the affidavit is read in his presence to the deponent and
>>> that the deponent has fully understood it,
>>> (b) [relates to deponents who don't understand either English or Irish] …
>>> and
>>> (c) certify in the jurat that the affidavit was read in his presence to
>>> the deponent (in a case to which paragraph (b) refers, by a suitably
>>> qualified interpreter), that the deponent fully understood it and that
>>> the
>>> deponent made his signature or mark in his presence.”
>>>
>>> I have to say I think these are onerous, particularly for a solicitor
>>> (lawyer) who has to draft and swear affidavits regularly.
>>>
>>> I fully understand what the rules are there to avoid but I'm not sure
>>> that
>>> they have quite kept up with information technology. Certainly any
>>> affidavit I swear is something I have drafted myself and read over before
>>> printing.
>>>
>>> Views welcome.
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>>
>>> Ger
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From jtfetter at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 29 15:24:55 2016
From: jtfetter at yahoo.com (James Fetter)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 11:24:55 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Question about accessing Google Docs, Google Drive, etc
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Dear All,
I hope that your summers are all going well. I'll be on law review this 
coming year, and the editorial board apparently makes very heavy use of 
Google Drive and Google Docs. I have had fairly limited experience with 
either product and would definitely appreciate any information you might 
have about using them with Jaws: i.e. whether or to what extent their 
features are accessible, what browser I should use, possibly user guides 
or informative discussions of the accessibility of these products, etc. 
I can probably find these myself if needed, but I will apparently be 
getting my first assignment for journal next week, and I got a whole 
week's warning about the various products I will need to use for editing 
articles. Thanks in advance for your help with this.
All Best,
James


From chris.stewart at uky.edu  Sat Jul 30 17:52:05 2016
From: chris.stewart at uky.edu (Stewart, Christopher K)
Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 13:52:05 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] question about Google Drive
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Hi James,

I was on law review, and we didn't use Google Drive. However, I know
that Google Drive is accessible with jaws. I also know that you can
export Google Drive files as MS Word files. If you're more comfortable
with MS Word, I would recommend doing that, at least for the first
assignment. Then, you can copy your work back into the Google Drive.
Having said that, it's probably worth it for you to learn Google
Drive, as it's pretty heavily used these days.

One thing I don't know is the extent to which Jaws provides feedback
about very specific details. I'm particularly thinking of small caps,
which you'll be dealing with a lot. I know it says when things are
italicized, underlined, bolded, Etc.

Anyhow, sorry for the ramble, but I'm sure you'll be fine. Keep us
updated. I'm curious to know the full extent of Drive's word
processor's accessibility. If you can edit a law review article, then
that means it's basically as accessible as Word.

Best,
Chris