[blindlaw] decreasing reliance on readers as proofers

Melissa Allman mrallman116 at gmail.com
Tue Nov 15 01:07:34 UTC 2016 

I really appreciate you bringing this to our attention. I have been a JWS user for a very long time and have never paid attention to this feature. I will be trying it tomorrow.

Melissa

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> On Nov 14, 2016, at 3:40 PM, Michal Nowicki via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> This is a very useful thread. One tool I have found indispensable to my
> legal writing is Text Analyzer: a feature that was added to JAWS several
> years ago. Text analyzer detects various formatting inconsistencies in a
> Word document, including font changes, space runs, and stray punctuation
> marks. I find it especially useful in making sure that I don't have large
> blocks of underlined text, which sometimes happens when I underline a case
> name, but turn off underlining just before typing the comma that follows,
> because Word doesn't like when part of a word has font attributes that
> differ in any way from the rest of the word. I hope you all find this
> helpful.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Michal
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Laura Wolk
> via BlindLaw
> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2016 12:49 PM
> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] decreasing reliance on readers as proofers
> 
> Randy and Angie,
> 
> Randy, yes, global changes work, except for one little wrinkle: if you do a
> global change to smart quotes, any quotation mark nnext to an em-dash will
> end up facing the wrong way.  Sigh.
> 
> Angie, yes. Regular straight quotes are ascii value 34, where as smart
> quotes are 8220 and 8221.  Regular apostrophes are ascii value 39, and smart
> apostrophes are 8217.  Such useful knowledge I have!!
> 
> For the record, you can actually do an individual find for these. If you hit
> control+f, then hit shift+the number 6, you can type in the ascii value you
> are looking for. It has to be three digits, though, so to search for
> straight quotes you must type 034, and for apostrophes 039.
> 
> I hope that's helpful.
> 
> Laura
> 
>> On 11/14/16, Farber, Randy via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> The easiest way that I have found to make sure that apostrophes and 
>> quotes are the same throughout the document is to do two global 
>> changes.  Change an apostrophe to an apostrophe and then change a 
>> quote to a quote.  Word changes all apostrophes and quotes to the kind
> that you have set.
>> 
>> Randy
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Angie 
>> Matney via BlindLaw
>> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2016 10:41 AM
>> To: Blind Law Mailing List
>> Cc: Angie Matney
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] decreasing reliance on readers as proofers
>> 
>> This has happened to me also. Using a sound scheme in JAWS that reads 
>> font, attributes and color helps, but I still don't catch everything.
>> As far as quotes go, I believe if you ask JAWS to read the ASCII value 
>> of the character, you can tell that the quotes are different, but 
>> absent doing this, I'm not sure how you can reliably tell if the 
>> quotation marks you use are consistent throughout your document. (I 
>> assume there's a way to do this with other screen readers, but I don't 
>> know what that is.) One of my assistant's tasks with every document I 
>> send her is to make sure that quotation marks are consistent.
>> 
>> I think a wiki of some sort would be a good idea, and I would be happy 
>> to contribute to it.
>> 
>> Angie
>> 
>> 
>>> On 11/14/16, Jim McCarthy via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Agree, Laura and just as flummoxed as you on that one.
>>> Jim
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>>> Laura Wolk via BlindLaw
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 7:38 PM
>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List
>>> Cc: Laura Wolk
>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] decreasing reliance on readers as proofers
>>> 
>>> Just one note though, Kelby.  Learning how to cite check and edit a
>>> **sighted** person's work is one thing.  Learning how to proof your 
>>> own work, written as a blind person, is quite another.  I.e., a 
>>> sighted person probably will notice if suddenly the font turns from 
>>> 12 point black times new roman to 10.5 gray garamande.  How this happens?
>>> I haven't a clue.  But these types of strange and inexplicable 
>>> things have happened to me many times.
>>> 
>>>> On 11/12/16, Shannon Geihsler via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Where do I find the course?
>>>> Thanks!
>>>> 
>>>> Shannon Brady Geihsler
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>>>>> On Nov 12, 2016, at 5:55 PM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw 
>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Brian Hartgen has a very useful training course on how to use MS 
>>>>> Word with JAWS; it's expensive, but worth the price. I have thought 
>>>>> of recording something similar as a basic intro to Word for bling 
>>>>> attorneys and law students. I'm on law review now and do all the 
>>>>> cite-check assignments myself; my editors don't send too much back.
>>>>> There are definitely ways to do it.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 11/12/16, Nicole Askins via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Hello all I just wanted to add to this conversation another 
>>>>>> question. Is there already a template for legal writing that could 
>>>>>> be used? If not could such a template be created? I'm fairly 
>>>>>> certain that a template that is generally acceptable could be 
>>>>>> useful to all in the legal Community. Any thoughts?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Nov 12, 2016 6:38 PM, "Chang, Patti via BlindLaw"
>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This is why I like a system where I get the document as perfect as 
>>>>>> I know how, send it to a proofer, and have the proofer either tell 
>>>>>> me what to change or tell me what they changed so I learn as I go.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The idea of developing a list of style and proofing tips for 
>>>>>> lawyers is a good one.
>>>>>> Maybe one of our CLE topics at national convention can cover this 
>>>>>> and end up with a style guide specifically for screen reader users?
>>>>>> Keep those tips coming.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Patti Chang
>>>>>> (410) 659-9314, x 2422
>>>>>> (773) 307-6440
>>>>>> National Federation of the Blind
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>>>>>> Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 4:28 PM
>>>>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List
>>>>>> Cc: Gerard Sadlier
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] decreasing reliance on readers as proofers
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