From deepa.goraya at gmail.com Sun Oct 2 20:29:21 2016 From: deepa.goraya at gmail.com (Deepa Goraya) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2016 16:29:21 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] call for articles for Young Lawyers Division Disability Rights Committee newsletter Message-ID: <00b101d21ceb$a89cdb30$f9d69190$@gmail.com> Hi everyone, I am the Chair of the brand new Disability Rights Committee, which is part of the ABA Young Lawyers Division (YLD). www.americanbar.org/groups/young_lawyers/committees/disability_rights.html It is the YLD version of the ABA Commission on Disability Rights. We are publishing our first Disability Rights Committee newsletter on October 14th and we are looking for short articles and op-eds for the newsletter. If anyone is interested, please contact me ASAP. The articles should be short, regarding recent legal developments or relevant tenets of law (approximately 200-300 words). Some suggestions for articles are: current relevant topics (such as discussing a recent significant court opinion or case in disability rights, upcoming significant Supreme Court decision, a legal event or cconference that just occurred), a discussion about being an attorney with a disability and your concerns/challenges in the legal profession, etc. Some examples of op-eds are: Lessons from One of America's Best Advocates, Sexism in the Legal Field, Reflections of a Young Trial Attorney, etc. Note that if you want to publish an article in our newsletter, we must be your first place of publication. So please do not send an article that has already been published somewhere else, not even for another newsletter. We'd need to have your article by October 7th so that we have sufficient time for editing and finalizing. If interested, please email me at deepa.goraya at gmail.com. Thank you. Deepa Goraya Deepinder K. Goraya, ESQ. From slabarre at labarrelaw.com Mon Oct 3 18:14:39 2016 From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. Labarre) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2016 12:14:39 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] FW: [DRBA] 2017 Brown, Goldstein & Levy, LLP Disability Rights Fellowship In-Reply-To: <3375A9A7C5718A47940F1EEA3EEADEEA15C58407@BALT-X1-EXCH2K8.BGL.root> References: <3375A9A7C5718A47940F1EEA3EEADEEA15C58407@BALT-X1-EXCH2K8.BGL.root> Message-ID: <002601d21da2$01f003e0$05d00ba0$@labarrelaw.com> fyi From: Disability Rights Bar Association [mailto:DRBA at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU] On Behalf Of Greg Care Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 8:48 AM To: DRBA at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU Subject: [DRBA] 2017 Brown, Goldstein & Levy, LLP Disability Rights Fellowship Hello all, We are currently seeking candidates for the Brown, Goldstein & Levy Disability Rights Fellowship. Please feel free to pass this information along to individuals who you believe would be interested in a great opportunity to both gain experience and put their knowledge and drive to salutary use. And don’t hesitate to contact me if you have any questions. In September 2009, Brown, Goldstein & Levy, LLP welcomed its first disability rights fellow. We are now accepting applications for our Disability Rights Fellowship to begin in September 2017. The Fellowship offers a law school graduate or judicial clerk with a disability the opportunity to participate for a year in all phases of disability rights litigation at our firm in Baltimore, Maryland. Brown, Goldstein & Levy is an 18-lawyer law firm devoted principally to litigation. The firm has developed a national reputation for its high-profile, high-impact disability rights cases. Information about Brown, Goldstein & Levy, including our past and present work, is available at www.browngold.com . The Fellowship is available to law school graduates with a disability and zero to three years of legal experience. The term of the Fellowship is one year (September 18, 2017 – August 31, 2018). Salary and benefits will be commensurate with the salaries paid and benefits provided to non-Fellowship Brown, Goldstein & Levy attorneys of equivalent experience and qualifications. The firm offers health insurance, group life insurance, and group disability insurance. The Fellow should be a member of a state bar or be planning to obtain admittance to a state bar. Applicants must have strong academic credentials, excellent writing skills, and a demonstrated commitment to disability rights. A completed application will consist of the following: * a cover letter, no longer than two pages, explaining the ways in which you meet the selection criteria; * a copy of your law school transcript, including an explanation of your institution’s grading policy; * a legal writing sample with a cover page indicating the source of the sample, any editing or contributions by persons other than the applicant, and the legal citation style used; * a current resume; and * a list of three references, including name, relationship, and contact information. Applications must be received no later than November 4, 2016. Please submit your application by e-mail to recruiting at browngold.com or by mail to: Disability Rights Fellowship Brown, Goldstein & Levy, LLP 120 E. Baltimore Street, Suite 1700 Baltimore, MD 21202 Many thanks, Greg Gregory P. Care Attorney BROWN GOLDSTEIN LEVY 120 E. 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Manage your Subscriptions | Department of Justice Privacy Policy | GovDelivery Privacy Policy From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Tue Oct 4 18:55:52 2016 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2016 18:55:52 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] FW: U.S. Department of Labor, hiring for term attorney (L.A. or S.F.) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: From: fangseattle at googlegroups.com [mailto:fangseattle at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daquiz, Abigail - SOL Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2016 11:27 AM To: fangseattle at googlegroups.com Subject: [fangs] U.S. Department of Labor, hiring for term attorney (L.A. or S.F.) For folks in LA or San Francisco, or willing to relocate--please see the attached and below! (shoot me a note if you have any questions) The United States Department of Labor, Office of the Solicitor seeks a trial attorney to join the San Francisco Regional Office for a one-year term position. The position may be based in either the San Francisco or Los Angeles sub-Regional office. The term attorney will litigate a variety of wage and hour matters on behalf of the government, including matters arising under the Fair Labor Standards Act, the Davis Bacon Act, and matters arising out of the various H visa programs for which the Secretary has been assigned responsibility pursuant to the Immigration and Nationality Act, as amended. This work includes, but is not limited to, pre-referral assistance, litigation of an increased number of H cases, and assisting the Wage-Hour Division with reviewing pending cases. Demonstrated interest in public interest law and/or experience with employment laws and/or vulnerable worker populations is desirable. Ability to speak a second language spoken by communities served by the Department is strongly preferred. Starting salary is commensurate with experience and includes benefits. Salary range is GS-11 to GS-14. Must be active member of the Bar in any U.S. State or U.S. Territory Court under the U.S. Constitution. The Office of the Solicitor is committed to diversity and encourages all qualified individuals to apply. If interested, please e-mail a cover letter and resume to hoffman.maryvette at dol.gov by October 24, 2016. No telephone inquiries please. Submission deadline: October 24, 2016. Abigail G. Daquiz U.S. Department of Labor | Office of the Solicitor | 206.757.6753 (direct) -- -- You received this message because you are a federal agency attorney and subscribed to the FANGS group. To SEND A MESSAGE to this group, email to fangseattle at googlegroups.com. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this group, email fangseattle+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/fangseattle?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Federal Attorneys Networking Group of Seattle" group. 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Deepa On 10/2/16, Deepa Goraya wrote: > Hi everyone, > > > > I am the Chair of the brand new Disability Rights Committee, which is part > of the ABA Young Lawyers Division (YLD). > www.americanbar.org/groups/young_lawyers/committees/disability_rights.html > s.html> It is the YLD version of the ABA Commission on Disability Rights. > We are publishing our first Disability Rights Committee newsletter on > October 14th and we are looking for short articles and op-eds for the > newsletter. If anyone is interested, please contact me ASAP. The articles > should be short, regarding recent legal developments or relevant tenets of > law (approximately 200-300 words). Some suggestions for articles are: > current relevant topics (such as discussing a recent significant court > opinion or case in disability rights, upcoming significant Supreme Court > decision, a legal event or cconference that just occurred), a discussion > about being an attorney with a disability and your concerns/challenges in > the legal profession, etc. Some examples of op-eds are: Lessons from One of > America's Best Advocates, Sexism in the Legal Field, Reflections of a Young > Trial Attorney, etc. Note that if you want to publish an article in our > newsletter, we must be your first place of publication. So please do not > send an article that has already been published somewhere else, not even > for > another newsletter. We'd need to have your article by October 7th so that > we > have sufficient time for editing and finalizing. > > > > If interested, please email me at deepa.goraya at gmail.com. > > > > Thank you. > > > > Deepa Goraya > > > > Deepinder K. Goraya, ESQ. > > > > From rthomas48 at gmail.com Sun Oct 9 00:30:12 2016 From: rthomas48 at gmail.com (Roderick Thomas) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2016 20:30:12 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] information Message-ID: <7085a9a2-9cac-650e-913d-3add2a77a858@gmail.com> Hey, guys my name is Roderick and I am a second year blind law school student in Orlando, Florida. I have used Jaws for ten years, and NDVA for one year. For the last couple of years I have been thinking about converting over to Mac., but I have been nervous about learning a new operating system. However, I love apple products and I am tired of buying a new PC every two years. In addition, I am tired of dealing with viruses on my computer. Recently, I saw that Siri is available on Mac computers, and I am thinking about getting one. Do you think Siri would help me learn the Mac operating system faster? Does anyone have any experience on converting from PC to Mac, and how long did it take you to master the Mac operating system. Hey, guys my name is Roderick and I am a second year blind law school student in Orlando, Florida. I have used Jaws for ten years, and NDVA for one year. For the last couple of years I have been thinking about converting over to Mac., but I have been nervous about learning a new operating system. However, I love apple products and I am tired of buying a new PC every two years. In addition, I am tired of dealing with viruses on my computer. Recently, I saw that Siri is available on Mac computers, and I am thinking about getting one. Do you think Siri would help me learn the Mac operating system faster? Does anyone have any experience on converting from PC to Mac, and how long did it take you to master the Mac operating system. Hey, guys my name is Roderick and I am a second year blind law school student in Orlando, Florida. I have used Jaws for ten years, and NDVA for one year. For the last couple of years I have been thinking about converting over to Mac., but I have been nervous about learning a new operating system. However, I love apple products and I am tired of buying a new PC every two years. In addition, I am tired of dealing with viruses on my computer. Recently, I saw that Siri is available on Mac computers, and I am thinking about getting one. Do you think Siri would help me learn the Mac operating system faster? Does anyone have any experience on converting from PC to Mac, and how long did it take you to master the Mac operating system. From tmeloy at fuse.net Sun Oct 9 03:00:59 2016 From: tmeloy at fuse.net (Timothy J. Meloy) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2016 23:00:59 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] information In-Reply-To: <7085a9a2-9cac-650e-913d-3add2a77a858@gmail.com> References: <7085a9a2-9cac-650e-913d-3add2a77a858@gmail.com> Message-ID: <762FFFDD-229B-41A1-84F3-CF63B9841205@fuse.net> Hello, I recently switched to a Mac computer at work. And while I still have a lot to learn. I was able to quickly learn most of what I need to do my daily work tasks. If you are familiar with iOS a lot of the same just yours can be used to control voiceover on the Mac he using the trackpad that makes things a lot easier. Some of the voiceover keystrokes are complicated keyboard gymnastics some say so using the trackpad can be easier in some of those instances. Would be happy to talk off list if you have further questions. Have a good weekend. T.J. > On Oct 8, 2016, at 8:30 PM, Roderick Thomas via BlindLaw wrote: > > Hey, guys my name is Roderick and I am a second year blind law school student in Orlando, Florida. I have used Jaws for ten years, and NDVA for one year. For the last couple of years I have been thinking about converting over to Mac., but I have been nervous about learning a new operating system. However, I love apple products and I am tired of buying a new PC every two years. In addition, I am tired of dealing with viruses on my computer. Recently, I saw that Siri is available on Mac computers, and I am thinking about getting one. Do you think Siri would help me learn the Mac operating system faster? Does anyone have any experience on converting from PC to Mac, and how long did it take you to master the Mac operating system. > > Hey, guys my name is Roderick and I am a second year blind law school student in Orlando, Florida. I have used Jaws for ten years, and NDVA for one year. For the last couple of years I have been thinking about converting over to Mac., but I have been nervous about learning a new operating system. However, I love apple products and I am tired of buying a new PC every two years. In addition, I am tired of dealing with viruses on my computer. Recently, I saw that Siri is available on Mac computers, and I am thinking about getting one. Do you think Siri would help me learn the Mac operating system faster? Does anyone have any experience on converting from PC to Mac, and how long did it take you to master the Mac operating system. > > Hey, guys my name is Roderick and I am a second year blind law school student in Orlando, Florida. I have used Jaws for ten years, and NDVA for one year. For the last couple of years I have been thinking about converting over to Mac., but I have been nervous about learning a new operating system. However, I love apple products and I am tired of buying a new PC every two years. In addition, I am tired of dealing with viruses on my computer. Recently, I saw that Siri is available on Mac computers, and I am thinking about getting one. Do you think Siri would help me learn the Mac operating system faster? Does anyone have any experience on converting from PC to Mac, and how long did it take you to master the Mac operating system. > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/tmeloy%40fuse.net From mrallman116 at gmail.com Sun Oct 9 13:03:07 2016 From: mrallman116 at gmail.com (Melissa Allman) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2016 08:03:07 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] information In-Reply-To: <762FFFDD-229B-41A1-84F3-CF63B9841205@fuse.net> References: <7085a9a2-9cac-650e-913d-3add2a77a858@gmail.com> <762FFFDD-229B-41A1-84F3-CF63B9841205@fuse.net> Message-ID: <5FA9E40A-9B20-4650-B330-E6607E1D2E7C@gmail.com> I hope this is okay, but I'd like to jump on this thread and ask a question of my own. I use IOS devices at home and a Windows operating system at work. Actually a Mac was made available for me in the event I need to use it but I did not figure it out quickly like you did and ai dont' think it has a track pad. My question is a bit different. When I'm using Windows and JAWS and I'm on the internet, I can use the insert F7 command to go to the links lis tand then type the first letter of a link to jump to that link. I find this very important for web sites I know well like the cloud-based client data base our office uses. How can I move to links with that level of efficiency ot safari using IOS devices? This would make my work at home much easier. I've tried item chooser or spotlight search but I'm wondering if there's another way. Thanks for any suggestions. Sent from my iPad > On Oct 8, 2016, at 10:00 PM, Timothy J. Meloy via BlindLaw wrote: > > Hello, > I recently switched to a Mac computer at work. And while I still have a lot to learn. I was able to quickly learn most of what I need to do my daily work tasks. If you are familiar with iOS a lot of the same just yours can be used to control voiceover on the Mac he using the trackpad that makes things a lot easier. Some of the voiceover keystrokes are complicated keyboard gymnastics some say so using the trackpad can be easier in some of those instances. Would be happy to talk off list if you have further questions. Have a good weekend. > T.J. > >> On Oct 8, 2016, at 8:30 PM, Roderick Thomas via BlindLaw wrote: >> >> Hey, guys my name is Roderick and I am a second year blind law school student in Orlando, Florida. I have used Jaws for ten years, and NDVA for one year. For the last couple of years I have been thinking about converting over to Mac., but I have been nervous about learning a new operating system. However, I love apple products and I am tired of buying a new PC every two years. In addition, I am tired of dealing with viruses on my computer. Recently, I saw that Siri is available on Mac computers, and I am thinking about getting one. Do you think Siri would help me learn the Mac operating system faster? Does anyone have any experience on converting from PC to Mac, and how long did it take you to master the Mac operating system. >> >> Hey, guys my name is Roderick and I am a second year blind law school student in Orlando, Florida. I have used Jaws for ten years, and NDVA for one year. For the last couple of years I have been thinking about converting over to Mac., but I have been nervous about learning a new operating system. However, I love apple products and I am tired of buying a new PC every two years. In addition, I am tired of dealing with viruses on my computer. Recently, I saw that Siri is available on Mac computers, and I am thinking about getting one. Do you think Siri would help me learn the Mac operating system faster? Does anyone have any experience on converting from PC to Mac, and how long did it take you to master the Mac operating system. >> >> Hey, guys my name is Roderick and I am a second year blind law school student in Orlando, Florida. I have used Jaws for ten years, and NDVA for one year. For the last couple of years I have been thinking about converting over to Mac., but I have been nervous about learning a new operating system. However, I love apple products and I am tired of buying a new PC every two years. In addition, I am tired of dealing with viruses on my computer. Recently, I saw that Siri is available on Mac computers, and I am thinking about getting one. Do you think Siri would help me learn the Mac operating system faster? Does anyone have any experience on converting from PC to Mac, and how long did it take you to master the Mac operating system. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/tmeloy%40fuse.net > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrallman116%40gmail.com From awildheir at gmail.com Sun Oct 9 16:56:26 2016 From: awildheir at gmail.com (Aimee Harwood) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2016 12:56:26 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] information In-Reply-To: <5FA9E40A-9B20-4650-B330-E6607E1D2E7C@gmail.com> References: <7085a9a2-9cac-650e-913d-3add2a77a858@gmail.com> <762FFFDD-229B-41A1-84F3-CF63B9841205@fuse.net> <5FA9E40A-9B20-4650-B330-E6607E1D2E7C@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Melissa, You can use item chooser by triple tapping with two fingers. This will bring up a window with an edit field and list of text, links, and other objects you can jump to. This list changes with each letter you type in the edit field. To exit item chooser, press the home button once. I hope this helps. Aimee Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 9, 2016, at 9:03 AM, Melissa Allman via BlindLaw wrote: > > I hope this is okay, but I'd like to jump on this thread and ask a question of my own. I use IOS devices at home and a Windows operating system at work. Actually a Mac was made available for me in the event I need to use it but I did not figure it out quickly like you did and ai dont' think it has a track pad. > > My question is a bit different. When I'm using Windows and JAWS and I'm on the internet, I can use the insert F7 command to go to the links lis tand then type the first letter of a link to jump to that link. I find this very important for web sites I know well like the cloud-based client data base our office uses. How can I move to links with that level of efficiency ot safari using IOS devices? This would make my work at home much easier. > I've tried item chooser or spotlight search but I'm wondering if there's another way. Thanks for any suggestions. > Sent from my iPad > >> On Oct 8, 2016, at 10:00 PM, Timothy J. Meloy via BlindLaw wrote: >> >> Hello, >> I recently switched to a Mac computer at work. And while I still have a lot to learn. I was able to quickly learn most of what I need to do my daily work tasks. If you are familiar with iOS a lot of the same just yours can be used to control voiceover on the Mac he using the trackpad that makes things a lot easier. Some of the voiceover keystrokes are complicated keyboard gymnastics some say so using the trackpad can be easier in some of those instances. Would be happy to talk off list if you have further questions. Have a good weekend. >> T.J. >> >>> On Oct 8, 2016, at 8:30 PM, Roderick Thomas via BlindLaw wrote: >>> >>> Hey, guys my name is Roderick and I am a second year blind law school student in Orlando, Florida. I have used Jaws for ten years, and NDVA for one year. For the last couple of years I have been thinking about converting over to Mac., but I have been nervous about learning a new operating system. However, I love apple products and I am tired of buying a new PC every two years. In addition, I am tired of dealing with viruses on my computer. Recently, I saw that Siri is available on Mac computers, and I am thinking about getting one. Do you think Siri would help me learn the Mac operating system faster? Does anyone have any experience on converting from PC to Mac, and how long did it take you to master the Mac operating system. >>> >>> Hey, guys my name is Roderick and I am a second year blind law school student in Orlando, Florida. I have used Jaws for ten years, and NDVA for one year. For the last couple of years I have been thinking about converting over to Mac., but I have been nervous about learning a new operating system. However, I love apple products and I am tired of buying a new PC every two years. In addition, I am tired of dealing with viruses on my computer. Recently, I saw that Siri is available on Mac computers, and I am thinking about getting one. Do you think Siri would help me learn the Mac operating system faster? Does anyone have any experience on converting from PC to Mac, and how long did it take you to master the Mac operating system. >>> >>> Hey, guys my name is Roderick and I am a second year blind law school student in Orlando, Florida. I have used Jaws for ten years, and NDVA for one year. For the last couple of years I have been thinking about converting over to Mac., but I have been nervous about learning a new operating system. However, I love apple products and I am tired of buying a new PC every two years. In addition, I am tired of dealing with viruses on my computer. Recently, I saw that Siri is available on Mac computers, and I am thinking about getting one. Do you think Siri would help me learn the Mac operating system faster? Does anyone have any experience on converting from PC to Mac, and how long did it take you to master the Mac operating system. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/tmeloy%40fuse.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrallman116%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/awildheir%40gmail.com From awildheir at gmail.com Sun Oct 9 18:36:11 2016 From: awildheir at gmail.com (Aimee Harwood) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2016 14:36:11 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] information In-Reply-To: <762FFFDD-229B-41A1-84F3-CF63B9841205@fuse.net> References: <7085a9a2-9cac-650e-913d-3add2a77a858@gmail.com> <762FFFDD-229B-41A1-84F3-CF63B9841205@fuse.net> Message-ID: <79841598-17AE-458F-9A77-2C28696CE17B@gmail.com> Hello everyone, I started out law school with a Mac. I had to switch to Windows because I was not able to efficiently and efficiently utilize my textbooks nor was I able to use pages without major issues when writing documents. Just my 2¢ worth. Aimee Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 8, 2016, at 11:00 PM, Timothy J. Meloy via BlindLaw wrote: > > Hello, > I recently switched to a Mac computer at work. And while I still have a lot to learn. I was able to quickly learn most of what I need to do my daily work tasks. If you are familiar with iOS a lot of the same just yours can be used to control voiceover on the Mac he using the trackpad that makes things a lot easier. Some of the voiceover keystrokes are complicated keyboard gymnastics some say so using the trackpad can be easier in some of those instances. Would be happy to talk off list if you have further questions. Have a good weekend. > T.J. > >> On Oct 8, 2016, at 8:30 PM, Roderick Thomas via BlindLaw wrote: >> >> Hey, guys my name is Roderick and I am a second year blind law school student in Orlando, Florida. I have used Jaws for ten years, and NDVA for one year. For the last couple of years I have been thinking about converting over to Mac., but I have been nervous about learning a new operating system. However, I love apple products and I am tired of buying a new PC every two years. In addition, I am tired of dealing with viruses on my computer. Recently, I saw that Siri is available on Mac computers, and I am thinking about getting one. Do you think Siri would help me learn the Mac operating system faster? Does anyone have any experience on converting from PC to Mac, and how long did it take you to master the Mac operating system. >> >> Hey, guys my name is Roderick and I am a second year blind law school student in Orlando, Florida. I have used Jaws for ten years, and NDVA for one year. For the last couple of years I have been thinking about converting over to Mac., but I have been nervous about learning a new operating system. However, I love apple products and I am tired of buying a new PC every two years. In addition, I am tired of dealing with viruses on my computer. Recently, I saw that Siri is available on Mac computers, and I am thinking about getting one. Do you think Siri would help me learn the Mac operating system faster? Does anyone have any experience on converting from PC to Mac, and how long did it take you to master the Mac operating system. >> >> Hey, guys my name is Roderick and I am a second year blind law school student in Orlando, Florida. I have used Jaws for ten years, and NDVA for one year. For the last couple of years I have been thinking about converting over to Mac., but I have been nervous about learning a new operating system. However, I love apple products and I am tired of buying a new PC every two years. In addition, I am tired of dealing with viruses on my computer. Recently, I saw that Siri is available on Mac computers, and I am thinking about getting one. Do you think Siri would help me learn the Mac operating system faster? Does anyone have any experience on converting from PC to Mac, and how long did it take you to master the Mac operating system. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/tmeloy%40fuse.net > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/awildheir%40gmail.com From sy.hoekstra at gmail.com Mon Oct 10 17:24:34 2016 From: sy.hoekstra at gmail.com (Sy Hoekstra) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2016 13:24:34 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] information In-Reply-To: <79841598-17AE-458F-9A77-2C28696CE17B@gmail.com> References: <7085a9a2-9cac-650e-913d-3add2a77a858@gmail.com> <762FFFDD-229B-41A1-84F3-CF63B9841205@fuse.net> <79841598-17AE-458F-9A77-2C28696CE17B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <015401d2231b$2c0e75c0$842b6140$@gmail.com> I'm a Windows user. My big question in switching to a Mac would be regarding comments and track changes in Word docs. This is a really common way that supervisors send me changes and comments on documents. If you have JAWS, as I do, interacting with these comments and changes is pretty easy. I don't know for sure, but I don't think you can do that on a Mac. And since Word for iOS is a joke accessibilitywise, I need to be on Windows. If you're a solo practitioner or the head of your legal office and you have the power to set how things are done, maybe Mac is fine. But as a young lawyer, I would not rely on it. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aimee Harwood via BlindLaw Sent: Sunday, October 9, 2016 2:36 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Aimee Harwood Subject: Re: [blindlaw] information Hello everyone, I started out law school with a Mac. I had to switch to Windows because I was not able to efficiently and efficiently utilize my textbooks nor was I able to use pages without major issues when writing documents. Just my 2¢ worth. Aimee Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 8, 2016, at 11:00 PM, Timothy J. Meloy via BlindLaw wrote: > > Hello, > I recently switched to a Mac computer at work. And while I still have a lot to learn. I was able to quickly learn most of what I need to do my daily work tasks. If you are familiar with iOS a lot of the same just yours can be used to control voiceover on the Mac he using the trackpad that makes things a lot easier. Some of the voiceover keystrokes are complicated keyboard gymnastics some say so using the trackpad can be easier in some of those instances. Would be happy to talk off list if you have further questions. Have a good weekend. > T.J. > >> On Oct 8, 2016, at 8:30 PM, Roderick Thomas via BlindLaw wrote: >> >> Hey, guys my name is Roderick and I am a second year blind law school student in Orlando, Florida. I have used Jaws for ten years, and NDVA for one year. For the last couple of years I have been thinking about converting over to Mac., but I have been nervous about learning a new operating system. However, I love apple products and I am tired of buying a new PC every two years. In addition, I am tired of dealing with viruses on my computer. Recently, I saw that Siri is available on Mac computers, and I am thinking about getting one. Do you think Siri would help me learn the Mac operating system faster? Does anyone have any experience on converting from PC to Mac, and how long did it take you to master the Mac operating system. >> >> Hey, guys my name is Roderick and I am a second year blind law school student in Orlando, Florida. I have used Jaws for ten years, and NDVA for one year. For the last couple of years I have been thinking about converting over to Mac., but I have been nervous about learning a new operating system. However, I love apple products and I am tired of buying a new PC every two years. In addition, I am tired of dealing with viruses on my computer. Recently, I saw that Siri is available on Mac computers, and I am thinking about getting one. Do you think Siri would help me learn the Mac operating system faster? Does anyone have any experience on converting from PC to Mac, and how long did it take you to master the Mac operating system. >> >> Hey, guys my name is Roderick and I am a second year blind law school student in Orlando, Florida. I have used Jaws for ten years, and NDVA for one year. For the last couple of years I have been thinking about converting over to Mac., but I have been nervous about learning a new operating system. However, I love apple products and I am tired of buying a new PC every two years. In addition, I am tired of dealing with viruses on my computer. Recently, I saw that Siri is available on Mac computers, and I am thinking about getting one. Do you think Siri would help me learn the Mac operating system faster? Does anyone have any experience on converting from PC to Mac, and how long did it take you to master the Mac operating system. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/tmeloy%40fuse.net > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/awildheir%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sy.hoekstra%40gmail.com From LBlake at nfb.org Tue Oct 11 13:08:34 2016 From: LBlake at nfb.org (Blake, Lou Ann) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 13:08:34 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Request for Workshop Proposals for the 2017 Jacobus tenBroek Disability Law Symposium Message-ID: Request for Workshop Proposals for the 2017 Jacobus tenBroek Disability Law Symposium Proposals are Due October 17, 2016! The National Federation of the Blind is soliciting proposals from disability rights advocates who wish to conduct a workshop during the 2017 Jacobus tenBroek Disability Law Symposium. Proposals should be one paragraph in length and should include a description of the workshop, a workshop title, and a list of the workshop facilitator(s). Workshop proposals and questions should be emailed to Lou Ann Blake, deputy executive director, National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute at lblake at nfb.org by October 17, 2016. Lou Ann Blake, J.D. Deputy Executive Director Jernigan Institute National Federation of the Blind 200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place Baltimore, MD 21230 Telephone: (410) 659-9314, ext. 2221 Fax: (410) 659-5129 E-mail: lblake at nfb.org Web site: www.nfb.org The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. 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To find out more visit the Mimecast website. From rene0373 at gmail.com Tue Oct 11 15:17:34 2016 From: rene0373 at gmail.com (Elizabeth Rene) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 08:17:34 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Information Message-ID: <3CBCC3AC-A9E1-4790-9FE9-6F36A9DC2C09@gmail.com> If I had law school to do all over again, I'd get an iPad or an iPad Pro. I love mine, and do all my work on it. Both Word and Pages work beautifully on it, you can export in both Word and PDF from either app, and Pages takes dictation beautifully. VoiceOver works beautifully for legal research, and lets me read 1000+-page files comfortably. And, as a bonus, you don't have to keep memorizing new key combination commands. And you're not chained to a desk. I used JAWS for years and years, and felt like a hostage every time an upgrade to the software was needed. Apple builds speech right into its operating systems. And the KNFB Reader app lets you scan what you can't get online. Lastly, if that isn't clear and convincing evidence in the iPads favor, think of the bar review. I recently took the UBE (my second bar exam) using a course called BarMax, taught completely on the iPad, and passed right out of the box. And I could study outside or at Starbucks! I rest my case. Elizabeth M René Attorney at Law WSBA #10710 KCBA #21824 rene0373 at gmail.com From slabarre at labarrelaw.com Tue Oct 11 15:33:21 2016 From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. Labarre) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 09:33:21 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] FW: [DRBA] Register Now! DRBA West Coast Conference - Oct 20 In-Reply-To: <15299398-559B-4FA2-9354-A25242744ECE@gmail.com> References: <15299398-559B-4FA2-9354-A25242744ECE@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00cf01d223d4$cc74c7d0$655e5770$@labarrelaw.com> Hey folks, the DRBA West Coast Conference will be great and I encourage you to attend if you are in the area. Our very own Tim Elder is presenting. Go Tim! A link to registration etc is below and the conference flyer is attached. Best, Scott -----Original Message----- From: Disability Rights Bar Association [mailto:DRBA at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU] On Behalf Of uzetalaw at GMAIL.COM Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 8:06 AM To: DRBA at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU Subject: [DRBA] Register Now! DRBA West Coast Conference - Oct 20 Less than 10 days until our inaugural West Coast Conference! We now have a spiffy hashtag for the event: #WCDRBA Register now, if you have not already- we need an accurate head count. http://disabilityrights-law.org/2016-west-coast-meeting Thank you! Michelle Sent from my iPhone REMINDER: The DRBA and BBI are the hosts of this listserv and are not responsible for the content of member posts. The DRBA listserv is intended to facilitate open discussion and sharing of ideas. Members need to feel confident that their discussions will not be distributed beyond the group unnecessarily. 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Name: DRBA West Coast Conference Flyer Oct 20 2016.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 47998 bytes Desc: not available URL: From awildheir at gmail.com Tue Oct 11 17:39:34 2016 From: awildheir at gmail.com (Aimee Harwood) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 13:39:34 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Information In-Reply-To: <3CBCC3AC-A9E1-4790-9FE9-6F36A9DC2C09@gmail.com> References: <3CBCC3AC-A9E1-4790-9FE9-6F36A9DC2C09@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5F203C8C-DDEF-463A-A4F1-4B236B5658F3@gmail.com> Have you always used pages and word? I used to use them and found pages especially became less and less friendly. I had to go back to my computer. I am using K1000 for most of my reading and class prep. You might want to check out the e-bot portable CCTV and OCR. It is pretty cool. It also has an iPad app. Aimee Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 11, 2016, at 11:17 AM, Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw wrote: > > If I had law school to do all over again, I'd get an iPad or an iPad Pro. I love mine, and do all my work on it. Both Word and Pages work beautifully on it, you can export in both Word and PDF from either app, and Pages takes dictation beautifully. VoiceOver works beautifully for legal research, and lets me read 1000+-page files comfortably. And, as a bonus, you don't have to keep memorizing new key combination commands. And you're not chained to a desk. > I used JAWS for years and years, and felt like a hostage every time an upgrade to the software was needed. Apple builds speech right into its operating systems. And the KNFB Reader app lets you scan what you can't get online. > Lastly, if that isn't clear and convincing evidence in the iPads favor, think of the bar review. I recently took the UBE (my second bar exam) using a course called BarMax, taught completely on the iPad, and passed right out of the box. And I could study outside or at Starbucks! > I rest my case. > > Elizabeth M René > Attorney at Law > WSBA #10710 > KCBA #21824 > rene0373 at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/awildheir%40gmail.com From mnowicki4 at icloud.com Tue Oct 11 17:39:31 2016 From: mnowicki4 at icloud.com (Michal Nowicki) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 12:39:31 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Information In-Reply-To: <3CBCC3AC-A9E1-4790-9FE9-6F36A9DC2C09@gmail.com> References: <3CBCC3AC-A9E1-4790-9FE9-6F36A9DC2C09@gmail.com> Message-ID: <001001d223e6$713896f0$53a9c4d0$@icloud.com> Hi all, Although I love dictation in iOS, I personally would not want to have to rely on it to draft a memo, brief, or contract. However, a wireless keyboard or a Bluetooth Braille display with a Braille keyboard could make it work. Nevertheless, I don't intend to give up on Windows or my desktop computer anytime soon. Although I do also have a laptop, I use my desktop whenever I can because it is more powerful. Best, Michal -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 10:18 AM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Cc: Elizabeth Rene Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information If I had law school to do all over again, I'd get an iPad or an iPad Pro. I love mine, and do all my work on it. Both Word and Pages work beautifully on it, you can export in both Word and PDF from either app, and Pages takes dictation beautifully. VoiceOver works beautifully for legal research, and lets me read 1000+-page files comfortably. And, as a bonus, you don't have to keep memorizing new key combination commands. And you're not chained to a desk. I used JAWS for years and years, and felt like a hostage every time an upgrade to the software was needed. Apple builds speech right into its operating systems. And the KNFB Reader app lets you scan what you can't get online. Lastly, if that isn't clear and convincing evidence in the iPads favor, think of the bar review. I recently took the UBE (my second bar exam) using a course called BarMax, taught completely on the iPad, and passed right out of the box. And I could study outside or at Starbucks! I rest my case. Elizabeth M René Attorney at Law WSBA #10710 KCBA #21824 rene0373 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%40icloud.com From dbeitz at wiennergould.com Tue Oct 11 17:50:13 2016 From: dbeitz at wiennergould.com (Dan Beitz) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 17:50:13 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Information In-Reply-To: <001001d223e6$713896f0$53a9c4d0$@icloud.com> References: <3CBCC3AC-A9E1-4790-9FE9-6F36A9DC2C09@gmail.com> <001001d223e6$713896f0$53a9c4d0$@icloud.com> Message-ID: Question for Elizabeth. How do you get Word documents from your iPad to your computer? Also, do you use a Mack computer as well? Does that work well transferring documents to Word on a Windows computer? Daniel K. Beitz Wienner & Gould, P.C. 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 Rochester, MI  48307 Phone:  (248) 841-9405 Fax:  (248) 652-2729 dbeitz at wiennergould.com www.wiennergould.com This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged.  If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited.  Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:40 PM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: Michal Nowicki Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Hi all, Although I love dictation in iOS, I personally would not want to have to rely on it to draft a memo, brief, or contract. However, a wireless keyboard or a Bluetooth Braille display with a Braille keyboard could make it work. Nevertheless, I don't intend to give up on Windows or my desktop computer anytime soon. Although I do also have a laptop, I use my desktop whenever I can because it is more powerful. Best, Michal -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 10:18 AM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Cc: Elizabeth Rene Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information If I had law school to do all over again, I'd get an iPad or an iPad Pro. I love mine, and do all my work on it. Both Word and Pages work beautifully on it, you can export in both Word and PDF from either app, and Pages takes dictation beautifully. VoiceOver works beautifully for legal research, and lets me read 1000+-page files comfortably. And, as a bonus, you don't have to keep memorizing new key combination commands. And you're not chained to a desk. I used JAWS for years and years, and felt like a hostage every time an upgrade to the software was needed. Apple builds speech right into its operating systems. And the KNFB Reader app lets you scan what you can't get online. Lastly, if that isn't clear and convincing evidence in the iPads favor, think of the bar review. I recently took the UBE (my second bar exam) using a course called BarMax, taught completely on the iPad, and passed right out of the box. And I could study outside or at Starbucks! I rest my case. Elizabeth M René Attorney at Law WSBA #10710 KCBA #21824 rene0373 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%40icloud.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com From awildheir at gmail.com Tue Oct 11 18:01:02 2016 From: awildheir at gmail.com (Aimee Harwood) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 14:01:02 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Apple Watch Message-ID: <9B2CE486-A36E-4A18-88EB-47C786212849@gmail.com> Hello everyone, I was thinking about adding an Apple Watch to my bag of tricks. Has anyone used the Apple Watch to assist in your practice in any way? If so, could you please shed some light on how useful you have found it to be? I'm excited to hear the different ways an Apple Watch can be used especially for time management tasks such as scheduling appointments, making lists, reminders, or any other functions you have found useful in being more efficient. Also, there is the question of which size. If you have some vision, does the additional 4mm make a difference? Warm regards, Aimee Sent from my iPhone From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Tue Oct 11 18:40:27 2016 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 18:40:27 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] FW: KCBA Family Law Case Mgmt Specialist -- Job Announcement Seattle Message-ID: From: fangseattle at googlegroups.com [mailto:fangseattle at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daquiz, Abigail - SOL Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 10:45 AM To: fangseattle at googlegroups.com Subject: [fangs] KCBA Family Law Case Mgmt Specialist -- Job Announcement Please see the attached -- Abigail G. Daquiz U.S. Department of Labor | Office of the Solicitor | 206.757.6753 (direct) -- -- You received this message because you are a federal agency attorney and subscribed to the FANGS group. To SEND A MESSAGE to this group, email to fangseattle at googlegroups.com. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this group, email fangseattle+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. 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Labarre) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2016 17:53:56 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] National Take Your Teddy Bear to Work/School Day; the NFB of Colorado; and a Stash of Cash Message-ID: <001401d224e3$e55ae080$b010a180$@labarrelaw.com> Greetings Friends and Family: As you are undoubtedly aware, today is October 12, 2016, and I send you well wishes on National Take Your Teddy Bear to Work or School Day and hope that you have been celebrating it accordingly. October 12th also means that it is a mere 17 days until we draw the prizes for this year's Amazing Colorado Raffle brought to you by the National Federation of the Blind of Colorado. Like last year, one lucky person will win $2500, another $1000, and yet another $500. All you need to do is purchase tickets and throw your hat in the running. Tickets cost only $10 for one or get three for $20 or whatever multiple thereof you like. For example, $100 will get you 15 tickets in the raffle. How do you participate? Well, it's easy. Please go to the following address and follow the instructions: www.nfbco.org/amazing-colorado-raffle Why is this important? I have been a member of the National Federation of the Blind since 1986 when I was fortunate enough to win a national scholarship from the Federation. That assistance and the thirty years of support from the organization have allowed me to live the life I want and become a successful attorney, husband, and father. Without the Federation's positive philosophy and countless positive role models, I would not have the life that I want. How do the funds from this contest help the Federation specifically? Well, we use these funds to operate our college scholarship program, provide Braille Literacy training through our BELL Academies, and issue empowerment grants to blind individuals. Other than the cash prizes, 100 percent of the funds raised go to these programs. Do I have to be present to win? Absolutely not! We will draw the three names Saturday evening, October 29th, at approximately 8:00 pm Mountain as part of our Annual Convention taking place at the Denver Marriott South which is actually located in Lone Tree, Colorado. I thank you in advance for participating in this year's raffle and wish you luck. If you need any help in purchasing tickets, please do not hesitate to email me, slabarre at labarrelaw.com , or call us at 303 504-5979. Good luck and hug your Teddy Bear! Warmly, Scott LaBarre President, NFB of Colorado P.S. We apologize if you receive this message more than once due to the nature of our email lists. PP.S. If you want us to remove you from the list, please reply to this message with the email address you wish removed. PPP.S. Thanks again! From lbonderson at cocenter.org Tue Oct 11 19:47:42 2016 From: lbonderson at cocenter.org (Lisa Bonderson) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 19:47:42 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Happy National Sausage Pizza Day, NFB Colorado, and an Amazing Stash of Cash Message-ID: Greetings Friends and Family: As you are undoubtedly aware, today is October 11, 2017, and I send you well wishes on National Sausage Pizza Day and hope that you celebrate it accordingly. October 11th also means that it is a mere 18 days until we draw the prizes for this year's Amazing Colorado Raffle brought to you by the National Federation of the Blind of Colorado. Like last year, one lucky person will win $2500, another $1000, and yet another $500. All you need to do is purchase tickets and throw your hat in the running. Tickets cost only $10 for one or get three for $20 or whatever multiple thereof you like. For example, $100 will get you 15 tickets in the raffle. How do you participate? Well, it's easy. Please go to the following address and follow the instructions: www.nfbco.org/amazing-colorado-raffle Why is this important? I have been a member of the National Federation of the Blind since 1986 when I was fortunate enough to win a national scholarship from the Federation. That assistance and the thirty years of support from the organization have allowed me to live the life I want and become a successful attorney, husband, and father. Without the Federation's positive philosophy and countless positive role models, I would not have the life that I want. How do the funds from this contest help the Federation specifically? Well, we use these funds to operate our college scholarship program, provide Braille Literacy training through our BELL Academies, and issue empowerment grants to blind individuals. Other than the cash prizes, 100 percent of the funds raised go to these programs. Do I have to be present to win? Absolutely not! We will draw the three names Saturday evening, October 29th, at approximately 8:00 pm Mountain as part of our Annual Convention taking place at the Denver Marriott South which is actually located in Lone Tree, Colorado. I thank you in advance for participating in this year's raffle and wish you luck. If you need any help in purchasing tickets, please do not hesitate to email me, slabarre at labarrelaw.com, or call us at 303 504-5979. Good luck and enjoy your slice of pizza, with or without sausage! Warmly, Scott LaBarre President, NFB of Colorado P.S. We apologize if you receive this message more than once due to the nature of our email lists. PP.S. If you want us to remove you from the list, please reply to this message with the email address you wish removed. PPP.S. Thanks again! From ttomasi at driowa.org Thu Oct 13 14:40:17 2016 From: ttomasi at driowa.org (Tai Tomasi) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2016 14:40:17 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] FW: 2017 Fellowship In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Please circulate to any 3Ls or very recent grads who may be interested in a 2 year fellowship with the NC P&A beginning August 2017. Thanks. Lisa Grafstein Managing Attorney Disability Rights NC 3724 National Drive, Suite 100 Raleigh, NC 27612 Phone: 919-856-2195 TTY: 1-888-268-5535 Fax: 919-856-2244 lisa.grafstein at disabilityrightsnc.org http://www.disabilityrightsnc.org [facebook1.jpg][twitter.png] This transmission is intended for the sole use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed, and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. Any dissemination, distribution or duplication of this transmission by someone other than the intended addressee or its designated agent is prohibited. 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Name: Disability Law Fellowship 2017.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 131336 bytes Desc: Disability Law Fellowship 2017.pdf URL: From lmendez716 at gmail.com Mon Oct 17 14:04:11 2016 From: lmendez716 at gmail.com (Luis Mendez) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 10:04:11 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Information In-Reply-To: References: <3CBCC3AC-A9E1-4790-9FE9-6F36A9DC2C09@gmail.com> <001001d223e6$713896f0$53a9c4d0$@icloud.com> Message-ID: <052e01d2287f$56f37880$04da6980$@gmail.com> I agree with Elizabeth that as a productivity and reading tool the Ipad is great. However, I encountered more productivity challenges with the Mac Book Pro with both Pages and Word 2016. In the end I reverted to a Windows laptop for some aspects of my work. I also discovered to my delight that Dragon Professional 15 works very well with a braille display using either JAWS 17 or NV Access. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Beitz via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:50 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Dan Beitz Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Question for Elizabeth. How do you get Word documents from your iPad to your computer? Also, do you use a Mack computer as well? Does that work well transferring documents to Word on a Windows computer? Daniel K. Beitz Wienner & Gould, P.C. 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 Rochester, MI 48307 Phone: (248) 841-9405 Fax: (248) 652-2729 dbeitz at wiennergould.com www.wiennergould.com This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:40 PM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: Michal Nowicki Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Hi all, Although I love dictation in iOS, I personally would not want to have to rely on it to draft a memo, brief, or contract. However, a wireless keyboard or a Bluetooth Braille display with a Braille keyboard could make it work. Nevertheless, I don't intend to give up on Windows or my desktop computer anytime soon. Although I do also have a laptop, I use my desktop whenever I can because it is more powerful. Best, Michal -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 10:18 AM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Cc: Elizabeth Rene Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information If I had law school to do all over again, I'd get an iPad or an iPad Pro. I love mine, and do all my work on it. Both Word and Pages work beautifully on it, you can export in both Word and PDF from either app, and Pages takes dictation beautifully. VoiceOver works beautifully for legal research, and lets me read 1000+-page files comfortably. And, as a bonus, you don't have to keep memorizing new key combination commands. And you're not chained to a desk. I used JAWS for years and years, and felt like a hostage every time an upgrade to the software was needed. Apple builds speech right into its operating systems. And the KNFB Reader app lets you scan what you can't get online. Lastly, if that isn't clear and convincing evidence in the iPads favor, think of the bar review. I recently took the UBE (my second bar exam) using a course called BarMax, taught completely on the iPad, and passed right out of the box. And I could study outside or at Starbucks! I rest my case. Elizabeth M René Attorney at Law WSBA #10710 KCBA #21824 rene0373 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%40icloud.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com From ttomasi at driowa.org Mon Oct 17 14:13:42 2016 From: ttomasi at driowa.org (Tai Tomasi) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 14:13:42 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Information In-Reply-To: <052e01d2287f$56f37880$04da6980$@gmail.com> References: <3CBCC3AC-A9E1-4790-9FE9-6F36A9DC2C09@gmail.com> <001001d223e6$713896f0$53a9c4d0$@icloud.com> <052e01d2287f$56f37880$04da6980$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Luis: Do you need any additional software or scripts to use Dragon with JAWS 17? By NV Access, are you referring to NVDA? Tai Tomasi, J.D. Staff Attorney 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 Des Moines, Iowa 50309 Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org www.driowa.org Our Mission:  To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luis Mendez via BlindLaw Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 9:04 AM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: Luis Mendez Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information I agree with Elizabeth that as a productivity and reading tool the Ipad is great. However, I encountered more productivity challenges with the Mac Book Pro with both Pages and Word 2016. In the end I reverted to a Windows laptop for some aspects of my work. I also discovered to my delight that Dragon Professional 15 works very well with a braille display using either JAWS 17 or NV Access. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Beitz via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:50 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Dan Beitz Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Question for Elizabeth. How do you get Word documents from your iPad to your computer? Also, do you use a Mack computer as well? Does that work well transferring documents to Word on a Windows computer? Daniel K. Beitz Wienner & Gould, P.C. 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 Rochester, MI 48307 Phone: (248) 841-9405 Fax: (248) 652-2729 dbeitz at wiennergould.com www.wiennergould.com This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:40 PM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: Michal Nowicki Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Hi all, Although I love dictation in iOS, I personally would not want to have to rely on it to draft a memo, brief, or contract. However, a wireless keyboard or a Bluetooth Braille display with a Braille keyboard could make it work. Nevertheless, I don't intend to give up on Windows or my desktop computer anytime soon. Although I do also have a laptop, I use my desktop whenever I can because it is more powerful. Best, Michal -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 10:18 AM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Cc: Elizabeth Rene Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information If I had law school to do all over again, I'd get an iPad or an iPad Pro. I love mine, and do all my work on it. Both Word and Pages work beautifully on it, you can export in both Word and PDF from either app, and Pages takes dictation beautifully. VoiceOver works beautifully for legal research, and lets me read 1000+-page files comfortably. And, as a bonus, you don't have to keep memorizing new key combination commands. And you're not chained to a desk. I used JAWS for years and years, and felt like a hostage every time an upgrade to the software was needed. Apple builds speech right into its operating systems. And the KNFB Reader app lets you scan what you can't get online. Lastly, if that isn't clear and convincing evidence in the iPads favor, think of the bar review. I recently took the UBE (my second bar exam) using a course called BarMax, taught completely on the iPad, and passed right out of the box. And I could study outside or at Starbucks! I rest my case. Elizabeth M René Attorney at Law WSBA #10710 KCBA #21824 rene0373 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%40icloud.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40driowa.org From lmendez716 at gmail.com Mon Oct 17 15:16:47 2016 From: lmendez716 at gmail.com (Luis Mendez) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 11:16:47 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Information In-Reply-To: References: <3CBCC3AC-A9E1-4790-9FE9-6F36A9DC2C09@gmail.com> <001001d223e6$713896f0$53a9c4d0$@icloud.com> <052e01d2287f$56f37880$04da6980$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <064301d22889$7ace0b80$706a2280$@gmail.com> Good morning: I am using JAWS 17 and NV Access, A.K.A. NVDA with a Braille Edge 40, with no additional software other than the required drivers ver each screen reader. However, Dragon still requires bridge software to read back what is on the screen. I am eagerly awaiting further development of Access Bridge. I did have Jay-Say, but the upkeep was not cost effective. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 10:14 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Tai Tomasi Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Luis: Do you need any additional software or scripts to use Dragon with JAWS 17? By NV Access, are you referring to NVDA? Tai Tomasi, J.D. Staff Attorney 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 Des Moines, Iowa 50309 Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org www.driowa.org Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luis Mendez via BlindLaw Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 9:04 AM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: Luis Mendez Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information I agree with Elizabeth that as a productivity and reading tool the Ipad is great. However, I encountered more productivity challenges with the Mac Book Pro with both Pages and Word 2016. In the end I reverted to a Windows laptop for some aspects of my work. I also discovered to my delight that Dragon Professional 15 works very well with a braille display using either JAWS 17 or NV Access. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Beitz via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:50 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Dan Beitz Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Question for Elizabeth. How do you get Word documents from your iPad to your computer? Also, do you use a Mack computer as well? Does that work well transferring documents to Word on a Windows computer? Daniel K. Beitz Wienner & Gould, P.C. 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 Rochester, MI 48307 Phone: (248) 841-9405 Fax: (248) 652-2729 dbeitz at wiennergould.com www.wiennergould.com This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:40 PM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: Michal Nowicki Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Hi all, Although I love dictation in iOS, I personally would not want to have to rely on it to draft a memo, brief, or contract. However, a wireless keyboard or a Bluetooth Braille display with a Braille keyboard could make it work. Nevertheless, I don't intend to give up on Windows or my desktop computer anytime soon. Although I do also have a laptop, I use my desktop whenever I can because it is more powerful. Best, Michal -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 10:18 AM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Cc: Elizabeth Rene Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information If I had law school to do all over again, I'd get an iPad or an iPad Pro. I love mine, and do all my work on it. Both Word and Pages work beautifully on it, you can export in both Word and PDF from either app, and Pages takes dictation beautifully. VoiceOver works beautifully for legal research, and lets me read 1000+-page files comfortably. And, as a bonus, you don't have to keep memorizing new key combination commands. And you're not chained to a desk. I used JAWS for years and years, and felt like a hostage every time an upgrade to the software was needed. Apple builds speech right into its operating systems. And the KNFB Reader app lets you scan what you can't get online. Lastly, if that isn't clear and convincing evidence in the iPads favor, think of the bar review. I recently took the UBE (my second bar exam) using a course called BarMax, taught completely on the iPad, and passed right out of the box. And I could study outside or at Starbucks! I rest my case. Elizabeth M René Attorney at Law WSBA #10710 KCBA #21824 rene0373 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%40icloud.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40driowa.org _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com From dbeitz at wiennergould.com Mon Oct 17 15:23:44 2016 From: dbeitz at wiennergould.com (Dan Beitz) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 15:23:44 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Information In-Reply-To: <064301d22889$7ace0b80$706a2280$@gmail.com> References: <3CBCC3AC-A9E1-4790-9FE9-6F36A9DC2C09@gmail.com> <001001d223e6$713896f0$53a9c4d0$@icloud.com> <052e01d2287f$56f37880$04da6980$@gmail.com> <064301d22889$7ace0b80$706a2280$@gmail.com> Message-ID: How do you get docs from the iPad to your windows laptop? Daniel K. Beitz Wienner & Gould, P.C. 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 Rochester, MI  48307 Phone:  (248) 841-9405 Fax:  (248) 652-2729 dbeitz at wiennergould.com www.wiennergould.com This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged.  If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited.  Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luis Mendez via BlindLaw Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 11:17 AM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: Luis Mendez Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Good morning: I am using JAWS 17 and NV Access, A.K.A. NVDA with a Braille Edge 40, with no additional software other than the required drivers ver each screen reader. However, Dragon still requires bridge software to read back what is on the screen. I am eagerly awaiting further development of Access Bridge. I did have Jay-Say, but the upkeep was not cost effective. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 10:14 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Tai Tomasi Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Luis: Do you need any additional software or scripts to use Dragon with JAWS 17? By NV Access, are you referring to NVDA? Tai Tomasi, J.D. Staff Attorney 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 Des Moines, Iowa 50309 Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org www.driowa.org Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luis Mendez via BlindLaw Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 9:04 AM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: Luis Mendez Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information I agree with Elizabeth that as a productivity and reading tool the Ipad is great. However, I encountered more productivity challenges with the Mac Book Pro with both Pages and Word 2016. In the end I reverted to a Windows laptop for some aspects of my work. I also discovered to my delight that Dragon Professional 15 works very well with a braille display using either JAWS 17 or NV Access. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Beitz via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:50 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Dan Beitz Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Question for Elizabeth. How do you get Word documents from your iPad to your computer? Also, do you use a Mack computer as well? Does that work well transferring documents to Word on a Windows computer? Daniel K. Beitz Wienner & Gould, P.C. 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 Rochester, MI 48307 Phone: (248) 841-9405 Fax: (248) 652-2729 dbeitz at wiennergould.com www.wiennergould.com This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:40 PM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: Michal Nowicki Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Hi all, Although I love dictation in iOS, I personally would not want to have to rely on it to draft a memo, brief, or contract. However, a wireless keyboard or a Bluetooth Braille display with a Braille keyboard could make it work. Nevertheless, I don't intend to give up on Windows or my desktop computer anytime soon. Although I do also have a laptop, I use my desktop whenever I can because it is more powerful. Best, Michal -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 10:18 AM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Cc: Elizabeth Rene Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information If I had law school to do all over again, I'd get an iPad or an iPad Pro. I love mine, and do all my work on it. Both Word and Pages work beautifully on it, you can export in both Word and PDF from either app, and Pages takes dictation beautifully. VoiceOver works beautifully for legal research, and lets me read 1000+-page files comfortably. And, as a bonus, you don't have to keep memorizing new key combination commands. And you're not chained to a desk. I used JAWS for years and years, and felt like a hostage every time an upgrade to the software was needed. Apple builds speech right into its operating systems. And the KNFB Reader app lets you scan what you can't get online. Lastly, if that isn't clear and convincing evidence in the iPads favor, think of the bar review. I recently took the UBE (my second bar exam) using a course called BarMax, taught completely on the iPad, and passed right out of the box. And I could study outside or at Starbucks! I rest my case. Elizabeth M René Attorney at Law WSBA #10710 KCBA #21824 rene0373 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%40icloud.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40driowa.org _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com From lmendez716 at gmail.com Mon Oct 17 17:24:15 2016 From: lmendez716 at gmail.com (Luis Mendez) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 13:24:15 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Information In-Reply-To: References: <3CBCC3AC-A9E1-4790-9FE9-6F36A9DC2C09@gmail.com> <001001d223e6$713896f0$53a9c4d0$@icloud.com> <052e01d2287f$56f37880$04da6980$@gmail.com> <064301d22889$7ace0b80$706a2280$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <06a401d2289b$49f376a0$ddda63e0$@gmail.com> I use ICloud for which there is a Windows App, One Drive and Dropbox, depending on the workflow. I recommend storing documents to be accessed for reading on ICloud since they can be accessed with little effort from within Voice dream. I put my Word documents in One Drive, which makes Word the default app for opening them. I store very large project files on Dropbox. -----Original Message----- From: Dan Beitz [mailto:dbeitz at wiennergould.com] Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 11:24 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Luis Mendez Subject: RE: [blindlaw] Information How do you get docs from the iPad to your windows laptop? Daniel K. Beitz Wienner & Gould, P.C. 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 Rochester, MI 48307 Phone: (248) 841-9405 Fax: (248) 652-2729 dbeitz at wiennergould.com www.wiennergould.com This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luis Mendez via BlindLaw Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 11:17 AM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: Luis Mendez Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Good morning: I am using JAWS 17 and NV Access, A.K.A. NVDA with a Braille Edge 40, with no additional software other than the required drivers ver each screen reader. However, Dragon still requires bridge software to read back what is on the screen. I am eagerly awaiting further development of Access Bridge. I did have Jay-Say, but the upkeep was not cost effective. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 10:14 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Tai Tomasi Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Luis: Do you need any additional software or scripts to use Dragon with JAWS 17? By NV Access, are you referring to NVDA? Tai Tomasi, J.D. Staff Attorney 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 Des Moines, Iowa 50309 Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org www.driowa.org Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luis Mendez via BlindLaw Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 9:04 AM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: Luis Mendez Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information I agree with Elizabeth that as a productivity and reading tool the Ipad is great. However, I encountered more productivity challenges with the Mac Book Pro with both Pages and Word 2016. In the end I reverted to a Windows laptop for some aspects of my work. I also discovered to my delight that Dragon Professional 15 works very well with a braille display using either JAWS 17 or NV Access. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Beitz via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:50 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Dan Beitz Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Question for Elizabeth. How do you get Word documents from your iPad to your computer? Also, do you use a Mack computer as well? Does that work well transferring documents to Word on a Windows computer? Daniel K. Beitz Wienner & Gould, P.C. 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 Rochester, MI 48307 Phone: (248) 841-9405 Fax: (248) 652-2729 dbeitz at wiennergould.com www.wiennergould.com This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:40 PM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: Michal Nowicki Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Hi all, Although I love dictation in iOS, I personally would not want to have to rely on it to draft a memo, brief, or contract. However, a wireless keyboard or a Bluetooth Braille display with a Braille keyboard could make it work. Nevertheless, I don't intend to give up on Windows or my desktop computer anytime soon. Although I do also have a laptop, I use my desktop whenever I can because it is more powerful. Best, Michal -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 10:18 AM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Cc: Elizabeth Rene Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information If I had law school to do all over again, I'd get an iPad or an iPad Pro. I love mine, and do all my work on it. Both Word and Pages work beautifully on it, you can export in both Word and PDF from either app, and Pages takes dictation beautifully. VoiceOver works beautifully for legal research, and lets me read 1000+-page files comfortably. And, as a bonus, you don't have to keep memorizing new key combination commands. And you're not chained to a desk. I used JAWS for years and years, and felt like a hostage every time an upgrade to the software was needed. Apple builds speech right into its operating systems. And the KNFB Reader app lets you scan what you can't get online. Lastly, if that isn't clear and convincing evidence in the iPads favor, think of the bar review. I recently took the UBE (my second bar exam) using a course called BarMax, taught completely on the iPad, and passed right out of the box. And I could study outside or at Starbucks! I rest my case. Elizabeth M René Attorney at Law WSBA #10710 KCBA #21824 rene0373 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%40icloud.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40driowa.org _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com From dbeitz at wiennergould.com Mon Oct 17 17:33:58 2016 From: dbeitz at wiennergould.com (Dan Beitz) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 17:33:58 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Information In-Reply-To: <06a401d2289b$49f376a0$ddda63e0$@gmail.com> References: <3CBCC3AC-A9E1-4790-9FE9-6F36A9DC2C09@gmail.com> <001001d223e6$713896f0$53a9c4d0$@icloud.com> <052e01d2287f$56f37880$04da6980$@gmail.com> <064301d22889$7ace0b80$706a2280$@gmail.com> <06a401d2289b$49f376a0$ddda63e0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Can you have several documents open at one time? How do you switch between them? Are there any limitations that make using Word or pages on the iPad less useful than on a desktop? Daniel K. Beitz Wienner & Gould, P.C. 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 Rochester, MI  48307 Phone:  (248) 841-9405 Fax:  (248) 652-2729 dbeitz at wiennergould.com www.wiennergould.com This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged.  If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited.  Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. -----Original Message----- From: Luis Mendez [mailto:lmendez716 at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 1:24 PM To: Dan Beitz; 'Blind Law Mailing List' Subject: RE: [blindlaw] Information I use ICloud for which there is a Windows App, One Drive and Dropbox, depending on the workflow. I recommend storing documents to be accessed for reading on ICloud since they can be accessed with little effort from within Voice dream. I put my Word documents in One Drive, which makes Word the default app for opening them. I store very large project files on Dropbox. -----Original Message----- From: Dan Beitz [mailto:dbeitz at wiennergould.com] Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 11:24 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Luis Mendez Subject: RE: [blindlaw] Information How do you get docs from the iPad to your windows laptop? Daniel K. Beitz Wienner & Gould, P.C. 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 Rochester, MI 48307 Phone: (248) 841-9405 Fax: (248) 652-2729 dbeitz at wiennergould.com www.wiennergould.com This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luis Mendez via BlindLaw Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 11:17 AM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: Luis Mendez Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Good morning: I am using JAWS 17 and NV Access, A.K.A. NVDA with a Braille Edge 40, with no additional software other than the required drivers ver each screen reader. However, Dragon still requires bridge software to read back what is on the screen. I am eagerly awaiting further development of Access Bridge. I did have Jay-Say, but the upkeep was not cost effective. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 10:14 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Tai Tomasi Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Luis: Do you need any additional software or scripts to use Dragon with JAWS 17? By NV Access, are you referring to NVDA? Tai Tomasi, J.D. Staff Attorney 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 Des Moines, Iowa 50309 Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org www.driowa.org Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luis Mendez via BlindLaw Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 9:04 AM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: Luis Mendez Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information I agree with Elizabeth that as a productivity and reading tool the Ipad is great. However, I encountered more productivity challenges with the Mac Book Pro with both Pages and Word 2016. In the end I reverted to a Windows laptop for some aspects of my work. I also discovered to my delight that Dragon Professional 15 works very well with a braille display using either JAWS 17 or NV Access. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Beitz via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:50 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Dan Beitz Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Question for Elizabeth. How do you get Word documents from your iPad to your computer? Also, do you use a Mack computer as well? Does that work well transferring documents to Word on a Windows computer? Daniel K. Beitz Wienner & Gould, P.C. 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 Rochester, MI 48307 Phone: (248) 841-9405 Fax: (248) 652-2729 dbeitz at wiennergould.com www.wiennergould.com This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:40 PM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: Michal Nowicki Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Hi all, Although I love dictation in iOS, I personally would not want to have to rely on it to draft a memo, brief, or contract. However, a wireless keyboard or a Bluetooth Braille display with a Braille keyboard could make it work. Nevertheless, I don't intend to give up on Windows or my desktop computer anytime soon. Although I do also have a laptop, I use my desktop whenever I can because it is more powerful. Best, Michal -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 10:18 AM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Cc: Elizabeth Rene Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information If I had law school to do all over again, I'd get an iPad or an iPad Pro. I love mine, and do all my work on it. Both Word and Pages work beautifully on it, you can export in both Word and PDF from either app, and Pages takes dictation beautifully. VoiceOver works beautifully for legal research, and lets me read 1000+-page files comfortably. And, as a bonus, you don't have to keep memorizing new key combination commands. And you're not chained to a desk. I used JAWS for years and years, and felt like a hostage every time an upgrade to the software was needed. Apple builds speech right into its operating systems. And the KNFB Reader app lets you scan what you can't get online. Lastly, if that isn't clear and convincing evidence in the iPads favor, think of the bar review. I recently took the UBE (my second bar exam) using a course called BarMax, taught completely on the iPad, and passed right out of the box. And I could study outside or at Starbucks! I rest my case. Elizabeth M René Attorney at Law WSBA #10710 KCBA #21824 rene0373 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%40icloud.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40driowa.org _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com From mrallman116 at gmail.com Tue Oct 18 01:40:49 2016 From: mrallman116 at gmail.com (mrallman116 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 20:40:49 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Information In-Reply-To: References: <3CBCC3AC-A9E1-4790-9FE9-6F36A9DC2C09@gmail.com> <001001d223e6$713896f0$53a9c4d0$@icloud.com> <052e01d2287f$56f37880$04da6980$@gmail.com> <064301d22889$7ace0b80$706a2280$@gmail.com> <06a401d2289b$49f376a0$ddda63e0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0DCA9C87-C8FF-4CA7-942E-58F485526CDF@gmail.com> That is one of the things I really don't like about Word on the iPad. You cannot have more than one document open at once. I do not know about pages Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 17, 2016, at 12:33 PM, Dan Beitz via BlindLaw wrote: > > Can you have several documents open at one time? How do you switch between them? Are there any limitations that make using Word or pages on the iPad less useful than on a desktop? > > > > > Daniel K. Beitz > Wienner & Gould, P.C. > 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 > Rochester, MI 48307 > Phone: (248) 841-9405 > Fax: (248) 652-2729 > dbeitz at wiennergould.com > > www.wiennergould.com > > This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached > to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are > not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email > to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, > or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to > this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, > please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning > us at (248) 841-9400. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Luis Mendez [mailto:lmendez716 at gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 1:24 PM > To: Dan Beitz; 'Blind Law Mailing List' > Subject: RE: [blindlaw] Information > > I use ICloud for which there is a Windows App, One Drive and Dropbox, depending on the workflow. I recommend storing documents to be accessed for reading on ICloud since they can be accessed with little effort from within Voice dream. I put my Word documents in One Drive, which makes Word the default app for opening them. I store very large project files on Dropbox. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Beitz [mailto:dbeitz at wiennergould.com] > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 11:24 AM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Luis Mendez > Subject: RE: [blindlaw] Information > > How do you get docs from the iPad to your windows laptop? > > > > > Daniel K. Beitz > Wienner & Gould, P.C. > 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 > Rochester, MI 48307 > Phone: (248) 841-9405 > Fax: (248) 652-2729 > dbeitz at wiennergould.com > > www.wiennergould.com > > This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luis Mendez via BlindLaw > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 11:17 AM > To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' > Cc: Luis Mendez > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information > > Good morning: > > I am using JAWS 17 and NV Access, A.K.A. NVDA with a Braille Edge 40, with no additional software other than the required drivers ver each screen reader. However, Dragon still requires bridge software to read back what is on the screen. I am eagerly awaiting further development of Access Bridge. I did have Jay-Say, but the upkeep was not cost effective. > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 10:14 AM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Tai Tomasi > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information > > Luis: > > Do you need any additional software or scripts to use Dragon with JAWS 17? By NV Access, are you referring to NVDA? > > Tai Tomasi, J.D. > Staff Attorney > > > > 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 > Des Moines, Iowa 50309 > Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 > FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 > E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org > www.driowa.org > > Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luis Mendez via BlindLaw > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 9:04 AM > To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' > Cc: Luis Mendez > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information > > I agree with Elizabeth that as a productivity and reading tool the Ipad is great. However, I encountered more productivity challenges with the Mac Book Pro with both Pages and Word 2016. In the end I reverted to a Windows laptop for some aspects of my work. I also discovered to my delight that Dragon Professional 15 works very well with a braille display using either JAWS 17 or NV Access. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Beitz via BlindLaw > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:50 PM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Dan Beitz > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information > > Question for Elizabeth. How do you get Word documents from your iPad to your computer? Also, do you use a Mack computer as well? Does that work well transferring documents to Word on a Windows computer? > > > > > Daniel K. Beitz > Wienner & Gould, P.C. > 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 > Rochester, MI 48307 > Phone: (248) 841-9405 > Fax: (248) 652-2729 > dbeitz at wiennergould.com > > www.wiennergould.com > > This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki via BlindLaw > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:40 PM > To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' > Cc: Michal Nowicki > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information > > Hi all, > > Although I love dictation in iOS, I personally would not want to have to rely on it to draft a memo, brief, or contract. However, a wireless keyboard or a Bluetooth Braille display with a Braille keyboard could make it work. Nevertheless, I don't intend to give up on Windows or my desktop computer anytime soon. Although I do also have a laptop, I use my desktop whenever I can because it is more powerful. > > Best, > > Michal > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 10:18 AM > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Cc: Elizabeth Rene > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information > > If I had law school to do all over again, I'd get an iPad or an iPad Pro. I love mine, and do all my work on it. Both Word and Pages work beautifully on it, you can export in both Word and PDF from either app, and Pages takes dictation beautifully. VoiceOver works beautifully for legal research, and lets me read 1000+-page files comfortably. And, as a bonus, you don't have to keep memorizing new key combination commands. And you're not chained to a desk. > I used JAWS for years and years, and felt like a hostage every time an upgrade to the software was needed. Apple builds speech right into its operating systems. And the KNFB Reader app lets you scan what you can't get online. > Lastly, if that isn't clear and convincing evidence in the iPads favor, think of the bar review. I recently took the UBE (my second bar exam) using a course called BarMax, taught completely on the iPad, and passed right out of the box. And I could study outside or at Starbucks! > I rest my case. > > Elizabeth M René > Attorney at Law > WSBA #10710 > KCBA #21824 > rene0373 at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%40icloud.com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40driowa.org > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrallman116%40gmail.com From rene0373 at gmail.com Tue Oct 18 17:27:20 2016 From: rene0373 at gmail.com (Elizabeth Rene) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2016 10:27:20 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Information In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Daniel, I can send Word documents as attachments to anyone or to a Windows computer mailbox of my own, either in Word or PDF, using the "share" utility in Word on my iPad. I can also send them to Dropbox and retrieve them from there to insert into my emails as attachments from anywhere that I can access Dropbox from the email address for that account. The "hand off" utility in Apple's operating systems should let you switch back and forth between your iOS device and your Mac, so that if you have Word installed on both machines you can start a project on one and finish on the other. I have a Mac, but haven't used this utility because I like working on my iPad the best. Elizabeth Elizabeth M René Attorney at Law WSBA #10710 KCBA #21824 rene0373 at gmail.com On Oct 18, 2016, at 5:00 AM, blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org wrote: Send BlindLaw mailing list submissions to blindlaw at nfbnet.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org You can reach the person managing the list at blindlaw-owner at nfbnet.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of BlindLaw digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Information (Luis Mendez) 2. Re: Information (Tai Tomasi) 3. Re: Information (Luis Mendez) 4. Re: Information (Dan Beitz) 5. Re: Information (Luis Mendez) 6. Re: Information (Dan Beitz) 7. Re: Information (mrallman116 at gmail.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 10:04:11 -0400 From: "Luis Mendez" To: "'Blind Law Mailing List'" Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Message-ID: <052e01d2287f$56f37880$04da6980$@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I agree with Elizabeth that as a productivity and reading tool the Ipad is great. However, I encountered more productivity challenges with the Mac Book Pro with both Pages and Word 2016. In the end I reverted to a Windows laptop for some aspects of my work. I also discovered to my delight that Dragon Professional 15 works very well with a braille display using either JAWS 17 or NV Access. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Beitz via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:50 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Dan Beitz Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Question for Elizabeth. How do you get Word documents from your iPad to your computer? Also, do you use a Mack computer as well? Does that work well transferring documents to Word on a Windows computer? Daniel K. Beitz Wienner & Gould, P.C. 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 Rochester, MI 48307 Phone: (248) 841-9405 Fax: (248) 652-2729 dbeitz at wiennergould.com www.wiennergould.com This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:40 PM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: Michal Nowicki Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Hi all, Although I love dictation in iOS, I personally would not want to have to rely on it to draft a memo, brief, or contract. However, a wireless keyboard or a Bluetooth Braille display with a Braille keyboard could make it work. Nevertheless, I don't intend to give up on Windows or my desktop computer anytime soon. Although I do also have a laptop, I use my desktop whenever I can because it is more powerful. Best, Michal -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 10:18 AM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Cc: Elizabeth Rene Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information If I had law school to do all over again, I'd get an iPad or an iPad Pro. I love mine, and do all my work on it. Both Word and Pages work beautifully on it, you can export in both Word and PDF from either app, and Pages takes dictation beautifully. VoiceOver works beautifully for legal research, and lets me read 1000+-page files comfortably. And, as a bonus, you don't have to keep memorizing new key combination commands. And you're not chained to a desk. I used JAWS for years and years, and felt like a hostage every time an upgrade to the software was needed. Apple builds speech right into its operating systems. And the KNFB Reader app lets you scan what you can't get online. Lastly, if that isn't clear and convincing evidence in the iPads favor, think of the bar review. I recently took the UBE (my second bar exam) using a course called BarMax, taught completely on the iPad, and passed right out of the box. And I could study outside or at Starbucks! I rest my case. Elizabeth M Ren? Attorney at Law WSBA #10710 KCBA #21824 rene0373 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%40icloud.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 14:13:42 +0000 From: Tai Tomasi To: Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Luis: Do you need any additional software or scripts to use Dragon with JAWS 17? By NV Access, are you referring to NVDA? Tai Tomasi, J.D. Staff Attorney 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 Des Moines, Iowa 50309 Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org www.driowa.org Our Mission:? To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luis Mendez via BlindLaw Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 9:04 AM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: Luis Mendez Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information I agree with Elizabeth that as a productivity and reading tool the Ipad is great. However, I encountered more productivity challenges with the Mac Book Pro with both Pages and Word 2016. In the end I reverted to a Windows laptop for some aspects of my work. I also discovered to my delight that Dragon Professional 15 works very well with a braille display using either JAWS 17 or NV Access. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Beitz via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:50 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Dan Beitz Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Question for Elizabeth. How do you get Word documents from your iPad to your computer? Also, do you use a Mack computer as well? Does that work well transferring documents to Word on a Windows computer? Daniel K. Beitz Wienner & Gould, P.C. 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 Rochester, MI 48307 Phone: (248) 841-9405 Fax: (248) 652-2729 dbeitz at wiennergould.com www.wiennergould.com This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:40 PM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: Michal Nowicki Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Hi all, Although I love dictation in iOS, I personally would not want to have to rely on it to draft a memo, brief, or contract. However, a wireless keyboard or a Bluetooth Braille display with a Braille keyboard could make it work. Nevertheless, I don't intend to give up on Windows or my desktop computer anytime soon. Although I do also have a laptop, I use my desktop whenever I can because it is more powerful. Best, Michal -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 10:18 AM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Cc: Elizabeth Rene Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information If I had law school to do all over again, I'd get an iPad or an iPad Pro. I love mine, and do all my work on it. Both Word and Pages work beautifully on it, you can export in both Word and PDF from either app, and Pages takes dictation beautifully. VoiceOver works beautifully for legal research, and lets me read 1000+-page files comfortably. And, as a bonus, you don't have to keep memorizing new key combination commands. And you're not chained to a desk. I used JAWS for years and years, and felt like a hostage every time an upgrade to the software was needed. Apple builds speech right into its operating systems. And the KNFB Reader app lets you scan what you can't get online. Lastly, if that isn't clear and convincing evidence in the iPads favor, think of the bar review. I recently took the UBE (my second bar exam) using a course called BarMax, taught completely on the iPad, and passed right out of the box. And I could study outside or at Starbucks! I rest my case. Elizabeth M Ren? Attorney at Law WSBA #10710 KCBA #21824 rene0373 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%40icloud.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40driowa.org ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 11:16:47 -0400 From: "Luis Mendez" To: "'Blind Law Mailing List'" Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Message-ID: <064301d22889$7ace0b80$706a2280$@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Good morning: I am using JAWS 17 and NV Access, A.K.A. NVDA with a Braille Edge 40, with no additional software other than the required drivers ver each screen reader. However, Dragon still requires bridge software to read back what is on the screen. I am eagerly awaiting further development of Access Bridge. I did have Jay-Say, but the upkeep was not cost effective. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 10:14 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Tai Tomasi Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Luis: Do you need any additional software or scripts to use Dragon with JAWS 17? By NV Access, are you referring to NVDA? Tai Tomasi, J.D. Staff Attorney 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 Des Moines, Iowa 50309 Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org www.driowa.org Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luis Mendez via BlindLaw Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 9:04 AM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: Luis Mendez Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information I agree with Elizabeth that as a productivity and reading tool the Ipad is great. However, I encountered more productivity challenges with the Mac Book Pro with both Pages and Word 2016. In the end I reverted to a Windows laptop for some aspects of my work. I also discovered to my delight that Dragon Professional 15 works very well with a braille display using either JAWS 17 or NV Access. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Beitz via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:50 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Dan Beitz Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Question for Elizabeth. How do you get Word documents from your iPad to your computer? Also, do you use a Mack computer as well? Does that work well transferring documents to Word on a Windows computer? Daniel K. Beitz Wienner & Gould, P.C. 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 Rochester, MI 48307 Phone: (248) 841-9405 Fax: (248) 652-2729 dbeitz at wiennergould.com www.wiennergould.com This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:40 PM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: Michal Nowicki Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Hi all, Although I love dictation in iOS, I personally would not want to have to rely on it to draft a memo, brief, or contract. However, a wireless keyboard or a Bluetooth Braille display with a Braille keyboard could make it work. Nevertheless, I don't intend to give up on Windows or my desktop computer anytime soon. Although I do also have a laptop, I use my desktop whenever I can because it is more powerful. Best, Michal -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 10:18 AM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Cc: Elizabeth Rene Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information If I had law school to do all over again, I'd get an iPad or an iPad Pro. I love mine, and do all my work on it. Both Word and Pages work beautifully on it, you can export in both Word and PDF from either app, and Pages takes dictation beautifully. VoiceOver works beautifully for legal research, and lets me read 1000+-page files comfortably. And, as a bonus, you don't have to keep memorizing new key combination commands. And you're not chained to a desk. I used JAWS for years and years, and felt like a hostage every time an upgrade to the software was needed. Apple builds speech right into its operating systems. And the KNFB Reader app lets you scan what you can't get online. Lastly, if that isn't clear and convincing evidence in the iPads favor, think of the bar review. I recently took the UBE (my second bar exam) using a course called BarMax, taught completely on the iPad, and passed right out of the box. And I could study outside or at Starbucks! I rest my case. Elizabeth M Ren? Attorney at Law WSBA #10710 KCBA #21824 rene0373 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%40icloud.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40driowa.org _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 15:23:44 +0000 From: Dan Beitz To: Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" How do you get docs from the iPad to your windows laptop? Daniel K. Beitz Wienner & Gould, P.C. 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 Rochester, MI? 48307 Phone:? (248) 841-9405 Fax:? (248) 652-2729 dbeitz at wiennergould.com www.wiennergould.com This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged.? If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited.? Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luis Mendez via BlindLaw Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 11:17 AM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: Luis Mendez Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Good morning: I am using JAWS 17 and NV Access, A.K.A. NVDA with a Braille Edge 40, with no additional software other than the required drivers ver each screen reader. However, Dragon still requires bridge software to read back what is on the screen. I am eagerly awaiting further development of Access Bridge. I did have Jay-Say, but the upkeep was not cost effective. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 10:14 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Tai Tomasi Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Luis: Do you need any additional software or scripts to use Dragon with JAWS 17? By NV Access, are you referring to NVDA? Tai Tomasi, J.D. Staff Attorney 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 Des Moines, Iowa 50309 Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org www.driowa.org Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luis Mendez via BlindLaw Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 9:04 AM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: Luis Mendez Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information I agree with Elizabeth that as a productivity and reading tool the Ipad is great. However, I encountered more productivity challenges with the Mac Book Pro with both Pages and Word 2016. In the end I reverted to a Windows laptop for some aspects of my work. I also discovered to my delight that Dragon Professional 15 works very well with a braille display using either JAWS 17 or NV Access. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Beitz via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:50 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Dan Beitz Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Question for Elizabeth. How do you get Word documents from your iPad to your computer? Also, do you use a Mack computer as well? Does that work well transferring documents to Word on a Windows computer? Daniel K. Beitz Wienner & Gould, P.C. 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 Rochester, MI 48307 Phone: (248) 841-9405 Fax: (248) 652-2729 dbeitz at wiennergould.com www.wiennergould.com This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:40 PM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: Michal Nowicki Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Hi all, Although I love dictation in iOS, I personally would not want to have to rely on it to draft a memo, brief, or contract. However, a wireless keyboard or a Bluetooth Braille display with a Braille keyboard could make it work. Nevertheless, I don't intend to give up on Windows or my desktop computer anytime soon. Although I do also have a laptop, I use my desktop whenever I can because it is more powerful. Best, Michal -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 10:18 AM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Cc: Elizabeth Rene Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information If I had law school to do all over again, I'd get an iPad or an iPad Pro. I love mine, and do all my work on it. Both Word and Pages work beautifully on it, you can export in both Word and PDF from either app, and Pages takes dictation beautifully. VoiceOver works beautifully for legal research, and lets me read 1000+-page files comfortably. And, as a bonus, you don't have to keep memorizing new key combination commands. And you're not chained to a desk. I used JAWS for years and years, and felt like a hostage every time an upgrade to the software was needed. Apple builds speech right into its operating systems. And the KNFB Reader app lets you scan what you can't get online. Lastly, if that isn't clear and convincing evidence in the iPads favor, think of the bar review. I recently took the UBE (my second bar exam) using a course called BarMax, taught completely on the iPad, and passed right out of the box. And I could study outside or at Starbucks! I rest my case. Elizabeth M Ren? Attorney at Law WSBA #10710 KCBA #21824 rene0373 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%40icloud.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40driowa.org _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 13:24:15 -0400 From: "Luis Mendez" To: "'Dan Beitz'" , "'Blind Law Mailing List'" Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Message-ID: <06a401d2289b$49f376a0$ddda63e0$@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I use ICloud for which there is a Windows App, One Drive and Dropbox, depending on the workflow. I recommend storing documents to be accessed for reading on ICloud since they can be accessed with little effort from within Voice dream. I put my Word documents in One Drive, which makes Word the default app for opening them. I store very large project files on Dropbox. -----Original Message----- From: Dan Beitz [mailto:dbeitz at wiennergould.com] Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 11:24 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Luis Mendez Subject: RE: [blindlaw] Information How do you get docs from the iPad to your windows laptop? Daniel K. Beitz Wienner & Gould, P.C. 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 Rochester, MI 48307 Phone: (248) 841-9405 Fax: (248) 652-2729 dbeitz at wiennergould.com www.wiennergould.com This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luis Mendez via BlindLaw Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 11:17 AM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: Luis Mendez Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Good morning: I am using JAWS 17 and NV Access, A.K.A. NVDA with a Braille Edge 40, with no additional software other than the required drivers ver each screen reader. However, Dragon still requires bridge software to read back what is on the screen. I am eagerly awaiting further development of Access Bridge. I did have Jay-Say, but the upkeep was not cost effective. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 10:14 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Tai Tomasi Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Luis: Do you need any additional software or scripts to use Dragon with JAWS 17? By NV Access, are you referring to NVDA? Tai Tomasi, J.D. Staff Attorney 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 Des Moines, Iowa 50309 Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org www.driowa.org Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luis Mendez via BlindLaw Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 9:04 AM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: Luis Mendez Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information I agree with Elizabeth that as a productivity and reading tool the Ipad is great. However, I encountered more productivity challenges with the Mac Book Pro with both Pages and Word 2016. In the end I reverted to a Windows laptop for some aspects of my work. I also discovered to my delight that Dragon Professional 15 works very well with a braille display using either JAWS 17 or NV Access. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Beitz via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:50 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Dan Beitz Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Question for Elizabeth. How do you get Word documents from your iPad to your computer? Also, do you use a Mack computer as well? Does that work well transferring documents to Word on a Windows computer? Daniel K. Beitz Wienner & Gould, P.C. 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 Rochester, MI 48307 Phone: (248) 841-9405 Fax: (248) 652-2729 dbeitz at wiennergould.com www.wiennergould.com This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:40 PM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: Michal Nowicki Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Hi all, Although I love dictation in iOS, I personally would not want to have to rely on it to draft a memo, brief, or contract. However, a wireless keyboard or a Bluetooth Braille display with a Braille keyboard could make it work. Nevertheless, I don't intend to give up on Windows or my desktop computer anytime soon. Although I do also have a laptop, I use my desktop whenever I can because it is more powerful. Best, Michal -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 10:18 AM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Cc: Elizabeth Rene Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information If I had law school to do all over again, I'd get an iPad or an iPad Pro. I love mine, and do all my work on it. Both Word and Pages work beautifully on it, you can export in both Word and PDF from either app, and Pages takes dictation beautifully. VoiceOver works beautifully for legal research, and lets me read 1000+-page files comfortably. And, as a bonus, you don't have to keep memorizing new key combination commands. And you're not chained to a desk. I used JAWS for years and years, and felt like a hostage every time an upgrade to the software was needed. Apple builds speech right into its operating systems. And the KNFB Reader app lets you scan what you can't get online. Lastly, if that isn't clear and convincing evidence in the iPads favor, think of the bar review. I recently took the UBE (my second bar exam) using a course called BarMax, taught completely on the iPad, and passed right out of the box. And I could study outside or at Starbucks! I rest my case. Elizabeth M Ren? Attorney at Law WSBA #10710 KCBA #21824 rene0373 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%40icloud.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40driowa.org _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 17:33:58 +0000 From: Dan Beitz To: Luis Mendez , 'Blind Law Mailing List' Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Can you have several documents open at one time? How do you switch between them? Are there any limitations that make using Word or pages on the iPad less useful than on a desktop? Daniel K. Beitz Wienner & Gould, P.C. 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 Rochester, MI? 48307 Phone:? (248) 841-9405 Fax:? (248) 652-2729 dbeitz at wiennergould.com www.wiennergould.com This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged.? If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited.? Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. -----Original Message----- From: Luis Mendez [mailto:lmendez716 at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 1:24 PM To: Dan Beitz; 'Blind Law Mailing List' Subject: RE: [blindlaw] Information I use ICloud for which there is a Windows App, One Drive and Dropbox, depending on the workflow. I recommend storing documents to be accessed for reading on ICloud since they can be accessed with little effort from within Voice dream. I put my Word documents in One Drive, which makes Word the default app for opening them. I store very large project files on Dropbox. -----Original Message----- From: Dan Beitz [mailto:dbeitz at wiennergould.com] Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 11:24 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Luis Mendez Subject: RE: [blindlaw] Information How do you get docs from the iPad to your windows laptop? Daniel K. Beitz Wienner & Gould, P.C. 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 Rochester, MI 48307 Phone: (248) 841-9405 Fax: (248) 652-2729 dbeitz at wiennergould.com www.wiennergould.com This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luis Mendez via BlindLaw Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 11:17 AM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: Luis Mendez Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Good morning: I am using JAWS 17 and NV Access, A.K.A. NVDA with a Braille Edge 40, with no additional software other than the required drivers ver each screen reader. However, Dragon still requires bridge software to read back what is on the screen. I am eagerly awaiting further development of Access Bridge. I did have Jay-Say, but the upkeep was not cost effective. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 10:14 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Tai Tomasi Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Luis: Do you need any additional software or scripts to use Dragon with JAWS 17? By NV Access, are you referring to NVDA? Tai Tomasi, J.D. Staff Attorney 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 Des Moines, Iowa 50309 Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org www.driowa.org Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luis Mendez via BlindLaw Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 9:04 AM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: Luis Mendez Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information I agree with Elizabeth that as a productivity and reading tool the Ipad is great. However, I encountered more productivity challenges with the Mac Book Pro with both Pages and Word 2016. In the end I reverted to a Windows laptop for some aspects of my work. I also discovered to my delight that Dragon Professional 15 works very well with a braille display using either JAWS 17 or NV Access. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Beitz via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:50 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Dan Beitz Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Question for Elizabeth. How do you get Word documents from your iPad to your computer? Also, do you use a Mack computer as well? Does that work well transferring documents to Word on a Windows computer? Daniel K. Beitz Wienner & Gould, P.C. 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 Rochester, MI 48307 Phone: (248) 841-9405 Fax: (248) 652-2729 dbeitz at wiennergould.com www.wiennergould.com This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:40 PM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: Michal Nowicki Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Hi all, Although I love dictation in iOS, I personally would not want to have to rely on it to draft a memo, brief, or contract. However, a wireless keyboard or a Bluetooth Braille display with a Braille keyboard could make it work. Nevertheless, I don't intend to give up on Windows or my desktop computer anytime soon. Although I do also have a laptop, I use my desktop whenever I can because it is more powerful. Best, Michal -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 10:18 AM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Cc: Elizabeth Rene Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information If I had law school to do all over again, I'd get an iPad or an iPad Pro. I love mine, and do all my work on it. Both Word and Pages work beautifully on it, you can export in both Word and PDF from either app, and Pages takes dictation beautifully. VoiceOver works beautifully for legal research, and lets me read 1000+-page files comfortably. And, as a bonus, you don't have to keep memorizing new key combination commands. And you're not chained to a desk. I used JAWS for years and years, and felt like a hostage every time an upgrade to the software was needed. Apple builds speech right into its operating systems. And the KNFB Reader app lets you scan what you can't get online. Lastly, if that isn't clear and convincing evidence in the iPads favor, think of the bar review. I recently took the UBE (my second bar exam) using a course called BarMax, taught completely on the iPad, and passed right out of the box. And I could study outside or at Starbucks! I rest my case. Elizabeth M Ren? Attorney at Law WSBA #10710 KCBA #21824 rene0373 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%40icloud.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40driowa.org _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 20:40:49 -0500 From: mrallman116 at gmail.com To: Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Message-ID: <0DCA9C87-C8FF-4CA7-942E-58F485526CDF at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 That is one of the things I really don't like about Word on the iPad. You cannot have more than one document open at once. I do not know about pages Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 17, 2016, at 12:33 PM, Dan Beitz via BlindLaw wrote: > > Can you have several documents open at one time? How do you switch between them? Are there any limitations that make using Word or pages on the iPad less useful than on a desktop? > > > > > Daniel K. Beitz > Wienner & Gould, P.C. > 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 > Rochester, MI 48307 > Phone: (248) 841-9405 > Fax: (248) 652-2729 > dbeitz at wiennergould.com > > www.wiennergould.com > > This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached > to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are > not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email > to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, > or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to > this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, > please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning > us at (248) 841-9400. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Luis Mendez [mailto:lmendez716 at gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 1:24 PM > To: Dan Beitz; 'Blind Law Mailing List' > Subject: RE: [blindlaw] Information > > I use ICloud for which there is a Windows App, One Drive and Dropbox, depending on the workflow. I recommend storing documents to be accessed for reading on ICloud since they can be accessed with little effort from within Voice dream. I put my Word documents in One Drive, which makes Word the default app for opening them. I store very large project files on Dropbox. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Beitz [mailto:dbeitz at wiennergould.com] > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 11:24 AM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Luis Mendez > Subject: RE: [blindlaw] Information > > How do you get docs from the iPad to your windows laptop? > > > > > Daniel K. Beitz > Wienner & Gould, P.C. > 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 > Rochester, MI 48307 > Phone: (248) 841-9405 > Fax: (248) 652-2729 > dbeitz at wiennergould.com > > www.wiennergould.com > > This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luis Mendez via BlindLaw > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 11:17 AM > To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' > Cc: Luis Mendez > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information > > Good morning: > > I am using JAWS 17 and NV Access, A.K.A. NVDA with a Braille Edge 40, with no additional software other than the required drivers ver each screen reader. However, Dragon still requires bridge software to read back what is on the screen. I am eagerly awaiting further development of Access Bridge. I did have Jay-Say, but the upkeep was not cost effective. > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 10:14 AM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Tai Tomasi > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information > > Luis: > > Do you need any additional software or scripts to use Dragon with JAWS 17? By NV Access, are you referring to NVDA? > > Tai Tomasi, J.D. > Staff Attorney > > > > 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 > Des Moines, Iowa 50309 > Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 > FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 > E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org > www.driowa.org > > Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luis Mendez via BlindLaw > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 9:04 AM > To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' > Cc: Luis Mendez > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information > > I agree with Elizabeth that as a productivity and reading tool the Ipad is great. However, I encountered more productivity challenges with the Mac Book Pro with both Pages and Word 2016. In the end I reverted to a Windows laptop for some aspects of my work. I also discovered to my delight that Dragon Professional 15 works very well with a braille display using either JAWS 17 or NV Access. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Beitz via BlindLaw > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:50 PM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Dan Beitz > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information > > Question for Elizabeth. How do you get Word documents from your iPad to your computer? Also, do you use a Mack computer as well? Does that work well transferring documents to Word on a Windows computer? > > > > > Daniel K. Beitz > Wienner & Gould, P.C. > 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 > Rochester, MI 48307 > Phone: (248) 841-9405 > Fax: (248) 652-2729 > dbeitz at wiennergould.com > > www.wiennergould.com > > This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki via BlindLaw > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:40 PM > To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' > Cc: Michal Nowicki > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information > > Hi all, > > Although I love dictation in iOS, I personally would not want to have to rely on it to draft a memo, brief, or contract. However, a wireless keyboard or a Bluetooth Braille display with a Braille keyboard could make it work. Nevertheless, I don't intend to give up on Windows or my desktop computer anytime soon. Although I do also have a laptop, I use my desktop whenever I can because it is more powerful. > > Best, > > Michal > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 10:18 AM > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Cc: Elizabeth Rene > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information > > If I had law school to do all over again, I'd get an iPad or an iPad Pro. I love mine, and do all my work on it. Both Word and Pages work beautifully on it, you can export in both Word and PDF from either app, and Pages takes dictation beautifully. VoiceOver works beautifully for legal research, and lets me read 1000+-page files comfortably. And, as a bonus, you don't have to keep memorizing new key combination commands. And you're not chained to a desk. > I used JAWS for years and years, and felt like a hostage every time an upgrade to the software was needed. Apple builds speech right into its operating systems. And the KNFB Reader app lets you scan what you can't get online. > Lastly, if that isn't clear and convincing evidence in the iPads favor, think of the bar review. I recently took the UBE (my second bar exam) using a course called BarMax, taught completely on the iPad, and passed right out of the box. And I could study outside or at Starbucks! > I rest my case. > > Elizabeth M Ren? > Attorney at Law > WSBA #10710 > KCBA #21824 > rene0373 at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%40icloud.com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40driowa.org > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrallman116%40gmail.com ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org ------------------------------ End of BlindLaw Digest, Vol 149, Issue 12 ***************************************** From dbeitz at wiennergould.com Tue Oct 18 17:36:58 2016 From: dbeitz at wiennergould.com (Dan Beitz) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2016 17:36:58 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Information In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As I understand it, you can't work on more than one document at a time on your iPad? Daniel K. Beitz Wienner & Gould, P.C. 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 Rochester, MI  48307 Phone:  (248) 841-9405 Fax:  (248) 652-2729 dbeitz at wiennergould.com www.wiennergould.com This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged.  If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited.  Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 1:27 PM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Cc: Elizabeth Rene Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Hi Daniel, I can send Word documents as attachments to anyone or to a Windows computer mailbox of my own, either in Word or PDF, using the "share" utility in Word on my iPad. I can also send them to Dropbox and retrieve them from there to insert into my emails as attachments from anywhere that I can access Dropbox from the email address for that account. The "hand off" utility in Apple's operating systems should let you switch back and forth between your iOS device and your Mac, so that if you have Word installed on both machines you can start a project on one and finish on the other. I have a Mac, but haven't used this utility because I like working on my iPad the best. Elizabeth Elizabeth M René Attorney at Law WSBA #10710 KCBA #21824 rene0373 at gmail.com On Oct 18, 2016, at 5:00 AM, blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org wrote: Send BlindLaw mailing list submissions to blindlaw at nfbnet.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org You can reach the person managing the list at blindlaw-owner at nfbnet.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of BlindLaw digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Information (Luis Mendez) 2. Re: Information (Tai Tomasi) 3. Re: Information (Luis Mendez) 4. Re: Information (Dan Beitz) 5. Re: Information (Luis Mendez) 6. Re: Information (Dan Beitz) 7. Re: Information (mrallman116 at gmail.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 10:04:11 -0400 From: "Luis Mendez" To: "'Blind Law Mailing List'" Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Message-ID: <052e01d2287f$56f37880$04da6980$@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I agree with Elizabeth that as a productivity and reading tool the Ipad is great. However, I encountered more productivity challenges with the Mac Book Pro with both Pages and Word 2016. In the end I reverted to a Windows laptop for some aspects of my work. I also discovered to my delight that Dragon Professional 15 works very well with a braille display using either JAWS 17 or NV Access. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Beitz via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:50 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Dan Beitz Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Question for Elizabeth. How do you get Word documents from your iPad to your computer? Also, do you use a Mack computer as well? Does that work well transferring documents to Word on a Windows computer? Daniel K. Beitz Wienner & Gould, P.C. 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 Rochester, MI 48307 Phone: (248) 841-9405 Fax: (248) 652-2729 dbeitz at wiennergould.com www.wiennergould.com This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:40 PM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: Michal Nowicki Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Hi all, Although I love dictation in iOS, I personally would not want to have to rely on it to draft a memo, brief, or contract. However, a wireless keyboard or a Bluetooth Braille display with a Braille keyboard could make it work. Nevertheless, I don't intend to give up on Windows or my desktop computer anytime soon. Although I do also have a laptop, I use my desktop whenever I can because it is more powerful. Best, Michal -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 10:18 AM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Cc: Elizabeth Rene Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information If I had law school to do all over again, I'd get an iPad or an iPad Pro. I love mine, and do all my work on it. Both Word and Pages work beautifully on it, you can export in both Word and PDF from either app, and Pages takes dictation beautifully. VoiceOver works beautifully for legal research, and lets me read 1000+-page files comfortably. And, as a bonus, you don't have to keep memorizing new key combination commands. And you're not chained to a desk. I used JAWS for years and years, and felt like a hostage every time an upgrade to the software was needed. Apple builds speech right into its operating systems. And the KNFB Reader app lets you scan what you can't get online. Lastly, if that isn't clear and convincing evidence in the iPads favor, think of the bar review. I recently took the UBE (my second bar exam) using a course called BarMax, taught completely on the iPad, and passed right out of the box. And I could study outside or at Starbucks! I rest my case. Elizabeth M Ren? Attorney at Law WSBA #10710 KCBA #21824 rene0373 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%40icloud.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 14:13:42 +0000 From: Tai Tomasi To: Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Luis: Do you need any additional software or scripts to use Dragon with JAWS 17? By NV Access, are you referring to NVDA? Tai Tomasi, J.D. Staff Attorney 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 Des Moines, Iowa 50309 Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org www.driowa.org Our Mission:? To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luis Mendez via BlindLaw Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 9:04 AM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: Luis Mendez Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information I agree with Elizabeth that as a productivity and reading tool the Ipad is great. However, I encountered more productivity challenges with the Mac Book Pro with both Pages and Word 2016. In the end I reverted to a Windows laptop for some aspects of my work. I also discovered to my delight that Dragon Professional 15 works very well with a braille display using either JAWS 17 or NV Access. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Beitz via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:50 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Dan Beitz Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Question for Elizabeth. How do you get Word documents from your iPad to your computer? Also, do you use a Mack computer as well? Does that work well transferring documents to Word on a Windows computer? Daniel K. Beitz Wienner & Gould, P.C. 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 Rochester, MI 48307 Phone: (248) 841-9405 Fax: (248) 652-2729 dbeitz at wiennergould.com www.wiennergould.com This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:40 PM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: Michal Nowicki Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Hi all, Although I love dictation in iOS, I personally would not want to have to rely on it to draft a memo, brief, or contract. However, a wireless keyboard or a Bluetooth Braille display with a Braille keyboard could make it work. Nevertheless, I don't intend to give up on Windows or my desktop computer anytime soon. Although I do also have a laptop, I use my desktop whenever I can because it is more powerful. Best, Michal -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 10:18 AM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Cc: Elizabeth Rene Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information If I had law school to do all over again, I'd get an iPad or an iPad Pro. I love mine, and do all my work on it. Both Word and Pages work beautifully on it, you can export in both Word and PDF from either app, and Pages takes dictation beautifully. VoiceOver works beautifully for legal research, and lets me read 1000+-page files comfortably. And, as a bonus, you don't have to keep memorizing new key combination commands. And you're not chained to a desk. I used JAWS for years and years, and felt like a hostage every time an upgrade to the software was needed. Apple builds speech right into its operating systems. And the KNFB Reader app lets you scan what you can't get online. Lastly, if that isn't clear and convincing evidence in the iPads favor, think of the bar review. I recently took the UBE (my second bar exam) using a course called BarMax, taught completely on the iPad, and passed right out of the box. And I could study outside or at Starbucks! I rest my case. Elizabeth M Ren? Attorney at Law WSBA #10710 KCBA #21824 rene0373 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%40icloud.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40driowa.org ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 11:16:47 -0400 From: "Luis Mendez" To: "'Blind Law Mailing List'" Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Message-ID: <064301d22889$7ace0b80$706a2280$@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Good morning: I am using JAWS 17 and NV Access, A.K.A. NVDA with a Braille Edge 40, with no additional software other than the required drivers ver each screen reader. However, Dragon still requires bridge software to read back what is on the screen. I am eagerly awaiting further development of Access Bridge. I did have Jay-Say, but the upkeep was not cost effective. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 10:14 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Tai Tomasi Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Luis: Do you need any additional software or scripts to use Dragon with JAWS 17? By NV Access, are you referring to NVDA? Tai Tomasi, J.D. Staff Attorney 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 Des Moines, Iowa 50309 Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org www.driowa.org Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luis Mendez via BlindLaw Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 9:04 AM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: Luis Mendez Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information I agree with Elizabeth that as a productivity and reading tool the Ipad is great. However, I encountered more productivity challenges with the Mac Book Pro with both Pages and Word 2016. In the end I reverted to a Windows laptop for some aspects of my work. I also discovered to my delight that Dragon Professional 15 works very well with a braille display using either JAWS 17 or NV Access. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Beitz via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:50 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Dan Beitz Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Question for Elizabeth. How do you get Word documents from your iPad to your computer? Also, do you use a Mack computer as well? Does that work well transferring documents to Word on a Windows computer? Daniel K. Beitz Wienner & Gould, P.C. 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 Rochester, MI 48307 Phone: (248) 841-9405 Fax: (248) 652-2729 dbeitz at wiennergould.com www.wiennergould.com This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:40 PM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: Michal Nowicki Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Hi all, Although I love dictation in iOS, I personally would not want to have to rely on it to draft a memo, brief, or contract. However, a wireless keyboard or a Bluetooth Braille display with a Braille keyboard could make it work. Nevertheless, I don't intend to give up on Windows or my desktop computer anytime soon. Although I do also have a laptop, I use my desktop whenever I can because it is more powerful. Best, Michal -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 10:18 AM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Cc: Elizabeth Rene Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information If I had law school to do all over again, I'd get an iPad or an iPad Pro. I love mine, and do all my work on it. Both Word and Pages work beautifully on it, you can export in both Word and PDF from either app, and Pages takes dictation beautifully. VoiceOver works beautifully for legal research, and lets me read 1000+-page files comfortably. And, as a bonus, you don't have to keep memorizing new key combination commands. And you're not chained to a desk. I used JAWS for years and years, and felt like a hostage every time an upgrade to the software was needed. Apple builds speech right into its operating systems. And the KNFB Reader app lets you scan what you can't get online. Lastly, if that isn't clear and convincing evidence in the iPads favor, think of the bar review. I recently took the UBE (my second bar exam) using a course called BarMax, taught completely on the iPad, and passed right out of the box. And I could study outside or at Starbucks! I rest my case. Elizabeth M Ren? Attorney at Law WSBA #10710 KCBA #21824 rene0373 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%40icloud.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40driowa.org _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 15:23:44 +0000 From: Dan Beitz To: Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" How do you get docs from the iPad to your windows laptop? Daniel K. Beitz Wienner & Gould, P.C. 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 Rochester, MI? 48307 Phone:? (248) 841-9405 Fax:? (248) 652-2729 dbeitz at wiennergould.com www.wiennergould.com This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged.? If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited.? Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luis Mendez via BlindLaw Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 11:17 AM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: Luis Mendez Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Good morning: I am using JAWS 17 and NV Access, A.K.A. NVDA with a Braille Edge 40, with no additional software other than the required drivers ver each screen reader. However, Dragon still requires bridge software to read back what is on the screen. I am eagerly awaiting further development of Access Bridge. I did have Jay-Say, but the upkeep was not cost effective. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 10:14 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Tai Tomasi Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Luis: Do you need any additional software or scripts to use Dragon with JAWS 17? By NV Access, are you referring to NVDA? Tai Tomasi, J.D. Staff Attorney 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 Des Moines, Iowa 50309 Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org www.driowa.org Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luis Mendez via BlindLaw Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 9:04 AM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: Luis Mendez Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information I agree with Elizabeth that as a productivity and reading tool the Ipad is great. However, I encountered more productivity challenges with the Mac Book Pro with both Pages and Word 2016. In the end I reverted to a Windows laptop for some aspects of my work. I also discovered to my delight that Dragon Professional 15 works very well with a braille display using either JAWS 17 or NV Access. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Beitz via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:50 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Dan Beitz Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Question for Elizabeth. How do you get Word documents from your iPad to your computer? Also, do you use a Mack computer as well? Does that work well transferring documents to Word on a Windows computer? Daniel K. Beitz Wienner & Gould, P.C. 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 Rochester, MI 48307 Phone: (248) 841-9405 Fax: (248) 652-2729 dbeitz at wiennergould.com www.wiennergould.com This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:40 PM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: Michal Nowicki Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Hi all, Although I love dictation in iOS, I personally would not want to have to rely on it to draft a memo, brief, or contract. However, a wireless keyboard or a Bluetooth Braille display with a Braille keyboard could make it work. Nevertheless, I don't intend to give up on Windows or my desktop computer anytime soon. Although I do also have a laptop, I use my desktop whenever I can because it is more powerful. Best, Michal -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 10:18 AM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Cc: Elizabeth Rene Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information If I had law school to do all over again, I'd get an iPad or an iPad Pro. I love mine, and do all my work on it. Both Word and Pages work beautifully on it, you can export in both Word and PDF from either app, and Pages takes dictation beautifully. VoiceOver works beautifully for legal research, and lets me read 1000+-page files comfortably. And, as a bonus, you don't have to keep memorizing new key combination commands. And you're not chained to a desk. I used JAWS for years and years, and felt like a hostage every time an upgrade to the software was needed. Apple builds speech right into its operating systems. And the KNFB Reader app lets you scan what you can't get online. Lastly, if that isn't clear and convincing evidence in the iPads favor, think of the bar review. I recently took the UBE (my second bar exam) using a course called BarMax, taught completely on the iPad, and passed right out of the box. And I could study outside or at Starbucks! I rest my case. Elizabeth M Ren? Attorney at Law WSBA #10710 KCBA #21824 rene0373 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%40icloud.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40driowa.org _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 13:24:15 -0400 From: "Luis Mendez" To: "'Dan Beitz'" , "'Blind Law Mailing List'" Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Message-ID: <06a401d2289b$49f376a0$ddda63e0$@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I use ICloud for which there is a Windows App, One Drive and Dropbox, depending on the workflow. I recommend storing documents to be accessed for reading on ICloud since they can be accessed with little effort from within Voice dream. I put my Word documents in One Drive, which makes Word the default app for opening them. I store very large project files on Dropbox. -----Original Message----- From: Dan Beitz [mailto:dbeitz at wiennergould.com] Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 11:24 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Luis Mendez Subject: RE: [blindlaw] Information How do you get docs from the iPad to your windows laptop? Daniel K. Beitz Wienner & Gould, P.C. 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 Rochester, MI 48307 Phone: (248) 841-9405 Fax: (248) 652-2729 dbeitz at wiennergould.com www.wiennergould.com This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luis Mendez via BlindLaw Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 11:17 AM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: Luis Mendez Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Good morning: I am using JAWS 17 and NV Access, A.K.A. NVDA with a Braille Edge 40, with no additional software other than the required drivers ver each screen reader. However, Dragon still requires bridge software to read back what is on the screen. I am eagerly awaiting further development of Access Bridge. I did have Jay-Say, but the upkeep was not cost effective. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 10:14 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Tai Tomasi Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Luis: Do you need any additional software or scripts to use Dragon with JAWS 17? By NV Access, are you referring to NVDA? Tai Tomasi, J.D. Staff Attorney 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 Des Moines, Iowa 50309 Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org www.driowa.org Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luis Mendez via BlindLaw Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 9:04 AM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: Luis Mendez Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information I agree with Elizabeth that as a productivity and reading tool the Ipad is great. However, I encountered more productivity challenges with the Mac Book Pro with both Pages and Word 2016. In the end I reverted to a Windows laptop for some aspects of my work. I also discovered to my delight that Dragon Professional 15 works very well with a braille display using either JAWS 17 or NV Access. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Beitz via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:50 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Dan Beitz Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Question for Elizabeth. How do you get Word documents from your iPad to your computer? Also, do you use a Mack computer as well? Does that work well transferring documents to Word on a Windows computer? Daniel K. Beitz Wienner & Gould, P.C. 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 Rochester, MI 48307 Phone: (248) 841-9405 Fax: (248) 652-2729 dbeitz at wiennergould.com www.wiennergould.com This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:40 PM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: Michal Nowicki Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Hi all, Although I love dictation in iOS, I personally would not want to have to rely on it to draft a memo, brief, or contract. However, a wireless keyboard or a Bluetooth Braille display with a Braille keyboard could make it work. Nevertheless, I don't intend to give up on Windows or my desktop computer anytime soon. Although I do also have a laptop, I use my desktop whenever I can because it is more powerful. Best, Michal -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 10:18 AM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Cc: Elizabeth Rene Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information If I had law school to do all over again, I'd get an iPad or an iPad Pro. I love mine, and do all my work on it. Both Word and Pages work beautifully on it, you can export in both Word and PDF from either app, and Pages takes dictation beautifully. VoiceOver works beautifully for legal research, and lets me read 1000+-page files comfortably. And, as a bonus, you don't have to keep memorizing new key combination commands. And you're not chained to a desk. I used JAWS for years and years, and felt like a hostage every time an upgrade to the software was needed. Apple builds speech right into its operating systems. And the KNFB Reader app lets you scan what you can't get online. Lastly, if that isn't clear and convincing evidence in the iPads favor, think of the bar review. I recently took the UBE (my second bar exam) using a course called BarMax, taught completely on the iPad, and passed right out of the box. And I could study outside or at Starbucks! I rest my case. Elizabeth M Ren? Attorney at Law WSBA #10710 KCBA #21824 rene0373 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%40icloud.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40driowa.org _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 17:33:58 +0000 From: Dan Beitz To: Luis Mendez , 'Blind Law Mailing List' Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Can you have several documents open at one time? How do you switch between them? Are there any limitations that make using Word or pages on the iPad less useful than on a desktop? Daniel K. Beitz Wienner & Gould, P.C. 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 Rochester, MI? 48307 Phone:? (248) 841-9405 Fax:? (248) 652-2729 dbeitz at wiennergould.com www.wiennergould.com This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged.? If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited.? Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. -----Original Message----- From: Luis Mendez [mailto:lmendez716 at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 1:24 PM To: Dan Beitz; 'Blind Law Mailing List' Subject: RE: [blindlaw] Information I use ICloud for which there is a Windows App, One Drive and Dropbox, depending on the workflow. I recommend storing documents to be accessed for reading on ICloud since they can be accessed with little effort from within Voice dream. I put my Word documents in One Drive, which makes Word the default app for opening them. I store very large project files on Dropbox. -----Original Message----- From: Dan Beitz [mailto:dbeitz at wiennergould.com] Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 11:24 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Luis Mendez Subject: RE: [blindlaw] Information How do you get docs from the iPad to your windows laptop? Daniel K. Beitz Wienner & Gould, P.C. 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 Rochester, MI 48307 Phone: (248) 841-9405 Fax: (248) 652-2729 dbeitz at wiennergould.com www.wiennergould.com This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luis Mendez via BlindLaw Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 11:17 AM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: Luis Mendez Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Good morning: I am using JAWS 17 and NV Access, A.K.A. NVDA with a Braille Edge 40, with no additional software other than the required drivers ver each screen reader. However, Dragon still requires bridge software to read back what is on the screen. I am eagerly awaiting further development of Access Bridge. I did have Jay-Say, but the upkeep was not cost effective. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 10:14 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Tai Tomasi Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Luis: Do you need any additional software or scripts to use Dragon with JAWS 17? By NV Access, are you referring to NVDA? Tai Tomasi, J.D. Staff Attorney 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 Des Moines, Iowa 50309 Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org www.driowa.org Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luis Mendez via BlindLaw Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 9:04 AM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: Luis Mendez Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information I agree with Elizabeth that as a productivity and reading tool the Ipad is great. However, I encountered more productivity challenges with the Mac Book Pro with both Pages and Word 2016. In the end I reverted to a Windows laptop for some aspects of my work. I also discovered to my delight that Dragon Professional 15 works very well with a braille display using either JAWS 17 or NV Access. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Beitz via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:50 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Dan Beitz Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Question for Elizabeth. How do you get Word documents from your iPad to your computer? Also, do you use a Mack computer as well? Does that work well transferring documents to Word on a Windows computer? Daniel K. Beitz Wienner & Gould, P.C. 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 Rochester, MI 48307 Phone: (248) 841-9405 Fax: (248) 652-2729 dbeitz at wiennergould.com www.wiennergould.com This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:40 PM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: Michal Nowicki Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Hi all, Although I love dictation in iOS, I personally would not want to have to rely on it to draft a memo, brief, or contract. However, a wireless keyboard or a Bluetooth Braille display with a Braille keyboard could make it work. Nevertheless, I don't intend to give up on Windows or my desktop computer anytime soon. Although I do also have a laptop, I use my desktop whenever I can because it is more powerful. Best, Michal -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 10:18 AM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Cc: Elizabeth Rene Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information If I had law school to do all over again, I'd get an iPad or an iPad Pro. I love mine, and do all my work on it. Both Word and Pages work beautifully on it, you can export in both Word and PDF from either app, and Pages takes dictation beautifully. VoiceOver works beautifully for legal research, and lets me read 1000+-page files comfortably. And, as a bonus, you don't have to keep memorizing new key combination commands. And you're not chained to a desk. I used JAWS for years and years, and felt like a hostage every time an upgrade to the software was needed. Apple builds speech right into its operating systems. And the KNFB Reader app lets you scan what you can't get online. Lastly, if that isn't clear and convincing evidence in the iPads favor, think of the bar review. I recently took the UBE (my second bar exam) using a course called BarMax, taught completely on the iPad, and passed right out of the box. And I could study outside or at Starbucks! I rest my case. Elizabeth M Ren? Attorney at Law WSBA #10710 KCBA #21824 rene0373 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%40icloud.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40driowa.org _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 20:40:49 -0500 From: mrallman116 at gmail.com To: Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Message-ID: <0DCA9C87-C8FF-4CA7-942E-58F485526CDF at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 That is one of the things I really don't like about Word on the iPad. You cannot have more than one document open at once. I do not know about pages Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 17, 2016, at 12:33 PM, Dan Beitz via BlindLaw wrote: > > Can you have several documents open at one time? How do you switch between them? Are there any limitations that make using Word or pages on the iPad less useful than on a desktop? > > > > > Daniel K. Beitz > Wienner & Gould, P.C. > 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 > Rochester, MI 48307 > Phone: (248) 841-9405 > Fax: (248) 652-2729 > dbeitz at wiennergould.com > > www.wiennergould.com > > This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached > to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are > not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email > to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, > or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to > this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, > please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning > us at (248) 841-9400. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Luis Mendez [mailto:lmendez716 at gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 1:24 PM > To: Dan Beitz; 'Blind Law Mailing List' > Subject: RE: [blindlaw] Information > > I use ICloud for which there is a Windows App, One Drive and Dropbox, depending on the workflow. I recommend storing documents to be accessed for reading on ICloud since they can be accessed with little effort from within Voice dream. I put my Word documents in One Drive, which makes Word the default app for opening them. I store very large project files on Dropbox. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Beitz [mailto:dbeitz at wiennergould.com] > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 11:24 AM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Luis Mendez > Subject: RE: [blindlaw] Information > > How do you get docs from the iPad to your windows laptop? > > > > > Daniel K. Beitz > Wienner & Gould, P.C. > 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 > Rochester, MI 48307 > Phone: (248) 841-9405 > Fax: (248) 652-2729 > dbeitz at wiennergould.com > > www.wiennergould.com > > This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luis Mendez via BlindLaw > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 11:17 AM > To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' > Cc: Luis Mendez > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information > > Good morning: > > I am using JAWS 17 and NV Access, A.K.A. NVDA with a Braille Edge 40, with no additional software other than the required drivers ver each screen reader. However, Dragon still requires bridge software to read back what is on the screen. I am eagerly awaiting further development of Access Bridge. I did have Jay-Say, but the upkeep was not cost effective. > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 10:14 AM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Tai Tomasi > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information > > Luis: > > Do you need any additional software or scripts to use Dragon with JAWS 17? By NV Access, are you referring to NVDA? > > Tai Tomasi, J.D. > Staff Attorney > > > > 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 > Des Moines, Iowa 50309 > Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 > FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 > E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org > www.driowa.org > > Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luis Mendez via BlindLaw > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 9:04 AM > To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' > Cc: Luis Mendez > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information > > I agree with Elizabeth that as a productivity and reading tool the Ipad is great. However, I encountered more productivity challenges with the Mac Book Pro with both Pages and Word 2016. In the end I reverted to a Windows laptop for some aspects of my work. I also discovered to my delight that Dragon Professional 15 works very well with a braille display using either JAWS 17 or NV Access. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Beitz via BlindLaw > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:50 PM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Dan Beitz > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information > > Question for Elizabeth. How do you get Word documents from your iPad to your computer? Also, do you use a Mack computer as well? Does that work well transferring documents to Word on a Windows computer? > > > > > Daniel K. Beitz > Wienner & Gould, P.C. > 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 > Rochester, MI 48307 > Phone: (248) 841-9405 > Fax: (248) 652-2729 > dbeitz at wiennergould.com > > www.wiennergould.com > > This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki via BlindLaw > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:40 PM > To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' > Cc: Michal Nowicki > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information > > Hi all, > > Although I love dictation in iOS, I personally would not want to have to rely on it to draft a memo, brief, or contract. However, a wireless keyboard or a Bluetooth Braille display with a Braille keyboard could make it work. Nevertheless, I don't intend to give up on Windows or my desktop computer anytime soon. Although I do also have a laptop, I use my desktop whenever I can because it is more powerful. > > Best, > > Michal > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 10:18 AM > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Cc: Elizabeth Rene > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information > > If I had law school to do all over again, I'd get an iPad or an iPad Pro. I love mine, and do all my work on it. Both Word and Pages work beautifully on it, you can export in both Word and PDF from either app, and Pages takes dictation beautifully. VoiceOver works beautifully for legal research, and lets me read 1000+-page files comfortably. And, as a bonus, you don't have to keep memorizing new key combination commands. And you're not chained to a desk. > I used JAWS for years and years, and felt like a hostage every time an upgrade to the software was needed. Apple builds speech right into its operating systems. And the KNFB Reader app lets you scan what you can't get online. > Lastly, if that isn't clear and convincing evidence in the iPads favor, think of the bar review. I recently took the UBE (my second bar exam) using a course called BarMax, taught completely on the iPad, and passed right out of the box. And I could study outside or at Starbucks! > I rest my case. > > Elizabeth M Ren? > Attorney at Law > WSBA #10710 > KCBA #21824 > rene0373 at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%40icloud.com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40driowa.org > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrallman116%40gmail.com ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org ------------------------------ End of BlindLaw Digest, Vol 149, Issue 12 ***************************************** _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com From awildheir at gmail.com Tue Oct 18 17:48:54 2016 From: awildheir at gmail.com (Aimee Harwood) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2016 13:48:54 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Information In-Reply-To: <052e01d2287f$56f37880$04da6980$@gmail.com> References: <3CBCC3AC-A9E1-4790-9FE9-6F36A9DC2C09@gmail.com> <001001d223e6$713896f0$53a9c4d0$@icloud.com> <052e01d2287f$56f37880$04da6980$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6B813B1E-D090-4945-862A-B86BBF70CECD@gmail.com> Luis and grouP. I am very interested in the dragon pro 15. I have heard there is a dragon legal. Would that be better? Did you have to use J say with dragon? What Braille display do you use that plays nice with the software combination? I also had a good deal of issues with using a MacBook Pro for law school and had to switch. K1000 is now my best friend. Aimee Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 17, 2016, at 10:04 AM, Luis Mendez via BlindLaw wrote: > > I agree with Elizabeth that as a productivity and reading tool the Ipad is great. However, I encountered more productivity challenges with the Mac Book Pro with both Pages and Word 2016. In the end I reverted to a Windows laptop for some aspects of my work. I also discovered to my delight that Dragon Professional 15 works very well with a braille display using either JAWS 17 or NV Access. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Beitz via BlindLaw > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:50 PM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Dan Beitz > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information > > Question for Elizabeth. How do you get Word documents from your iPad to your computer? Also, do you use a Mack computer as well? Does that work well transferring documents to Word on a Windows computer? > > > > > Daniel K. Beitz > Wienner & Gould, P.C. > 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 > Rochester, MI 48307 > Phone: (248) 841-9405 > Fax: (248) 652-2729 > dbeitz at wiennergould.com > > www.wiennergould.com > > This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki via BlindLaw > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:40 PM > To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' > Cc: Michal Nowicki > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information > > Hi all, > > Although I love dictation in iOS, I personally would not want to have to rely on it to draft a memo, brief, or contract. However, a wireless keyboard or a Bluetooth Braille display with a Braille keyboard could make it work. Nevertheless, I don't intend to give up on Windows or my desktop computer anytime soon. Although I do also have a laptop, I use my desktop whenever I can because it is more powerful. > > Best, > > Michal > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 10:18 AM > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Cc: Elizabeth Rene > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information > > If I had law school to do all over again, I'd get an iPad or an iPad Pro. I love mine, and do all my work on it. Both Word and Pages work beautifully on it, you can export in both Word and PDF from either app, and Pages takes dictation beautifully. VoiceOver works beautifully for legal research, and lets me read 1000+-page files comfortably. And, as a bonus, you don't have to keep memorizing new key combination commands. And you're not chained to a desk. > I used JAWS for years and years, and felt like a hostage every time an upgrade to the software was needed. Apple builds speech right into its operating systems. And the KNFB Reader app lets you scan what you can't get online. > Lastly, if that isn't clear and convincing evidence in the iPads favor, think of the bar review. I recently took the UBE (my second bar exam) using a course called BarMax, taught completely on the iPad, and passed right out of the box. And I could study outside or at Starbucks! > I rest my case. > > Elizabeth M René > Attorney at Law > WSBA #10710 > KCBA #21824 > rene0373 at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%40icloud.com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/awildheir%40gmail.com From dbeitz at wiennergould.com Tue Oct 18 17:56:07 2016 From: dbeitz at wiennergould.com (Dan Beitz) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2016 17:56:07 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Information In-Reply-To: <6B813B1E-D090-4945-862A-B86BBF70CECD@gmail.com> References: <3CBCC3AC-A9E1-4790-9FE9-6F36A9DC2C09@gmail.com> <001001d223e6$713896f0$53a9c4d0$@icloud.com> <052e01d2287f$56f37880$04da6980$@gmail.com> <6B813B1E-D090-4945-862A-B86BBF70CECD@gmail.com> Message-ID: I use dragon legal every day, and find that it works great. In Word or in an email, you do need to reread what you dictated to make sure it's accurate, but I do that when I type anyway. Daniel K. Beitz Wienner & Gould, P.C. 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 Rochester, MI  48307 Phone:  (248) 841-9405 Fax:  (248) 652-2729 dbeitz at wiennergould.com www.wiennergould.com This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged.  If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited.  Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aimee Harwood via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 1:49 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Aimee Harwood Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Luis and grouP. I am very interested in the dragon pro 15. I have heard there is a dragon legal. Would that be better? Did you have to use J say with dragon? What Braille display do you use that plays nice with the software combination? I also had a good deal of issues with using a MacBook Pro for law school and had to switch. K1000 is now my best friend. Aimee Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 17, 2016, at 10:04 AM, Luis Mendez via BlindLaw wrote: > > I agree with Elizabeth that as a productivity and reading tool the Ipad is great. However, I encountered more productivity challenges with the Mac Book Pro with both Pages and Word 2016. In the end I reverted to a Windows laptop for some aspects of my work. I also discovered to my delight that Dragon Professional 15 works very well with a braille display using either JAWS 17 or NV Access. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan > Beitz via BlindLaw > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:50 PM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Dan Beitz > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information > > Question for Elizabeth. How do you get Word documents from your iPad to your computer? Also, do you use a Mack computer as well? Does that work well transferring documents to Word on a Windows computer? > > > > > Daniel K. Beitz > Wienner & Gould, P.C. > 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 > Rochester, MI 48307 > Phone: (248) 841-9405 > Fax: (248) 652-2729 > dbeitz at wiennergould.com > > www.wiennergould.com > > This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > Michal Nowicki via BlindLaw > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:40 PM > To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' > Cc: Michal Nowicki > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information > > Hi all, > > Although I love dictation in iOS, I personally would not want to have to rely on it to draft a memo, brief, or contract. However, a wireless keyboard or a Bluetooth Braille display with a Braille keyboard could make it work. Nevertheless, I don't intend to give up on Windows or my desktop computer anytime soon. Although I do also have a laptop, I use my desktop whenever I can because it is more powerful. > > Best, > > Michal > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 10:18 AM > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Cc: Elizabeth Rene > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information > > If I had law school to do all over again, I'd get an iPad or an iPad Pro. I love mine, and do all my work on it. Both Word and Pages work beautifully on it, you can export in both Word and PDF from either app, and Pages takes dictation beautifully. VoiceOver works beautifully for legal research, and lets me read 1000+-page files comfortably. And, as a bonus, you don't have to keep memorizing new key combination commands. And you're not chained to a desk. > I used JAWS for years and years, and felt like a hostage every time an upgrade to the software was needed. Apple builds speech right into its operating systems. And the KNFB Reader app lets you scan what you can't get online. > Lastly, if that isn't clear and convincing evidence in the iPads favor, think of the bar review. I recently took the UBE (my second bar exam) using a course called BarMax, taught completely on the iPad, and passed right out of the box. And I could study outside or at Starbucks! > I rest my case. > > Elizabeth M René > Attorney at Law > WSBA #10710 > KCBA #21824 > rene0373 at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%40iclo > ud.com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wienner > gould.com _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gma > il.com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/awildheir%40gmai > l.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com From lmendez716 at gmail.com Tue Oct 18 18:10:46 2016 From: lmendez716 at gmail.com (Luis Mendez) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2016 14:10:46 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Information In-Reply-To: <6B813B1E-D090-4945-862A-B86BBF70CECD@gmail.com> References: <3CBCC3AC-A9E1-4790-9FE9-6F36A9DC2C09@gmail.com> <001001d223e6$713896f0$53a9c4d0$@icloud.com> <052e01d2287f$56f37880$04da6980$@gmail.com> <6B813B1E-D090-4945-862A-B86BBF70CECD@gmail.com> Message-ID: <011701d2296a$f4b74790$de25d6b0$@gmail.com> Aimee: I am currently using Dragon 15 professional. I have used Dragon legal, however, I have not seen any productivity differences, so far, with Dragon professional 15, that would justify the additional significant cost of purchasing Dragon legal. I am dictating this email and reading the output using my Braille Edge 40 without any bridge software. However, there is no screen reader feedback. Therefore, it is very likely that yo bridge software is still required in order to get screen reader feedback. Luis -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aimee Harwood via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 1:49 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Aimee Harwood Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information Luis and grouP. I am very interested in the dragon pro 15. I have heard there is a dragon legal. Would that be better? Did you have to use J say with dragon? What Braille display do you use that plays nice with the software combination? I also had a good deal of issues with using a MacBook Pro for law school and had to switch. K1000 is now my best friend. Aimee Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 17, 2016, at 10:04 AM, Luis Mendez via BlindLaw wrote: > > I agree with Elizabeth that as a productivity and reading tool the Ipad is great. However, I encountered more productivity challenges with the Mac Book Pro with both Pages and Word 2016. In the end I reverted to a Windows laptop for some aspects of my work. I also discovered to my delight that Dragon Professional 15 works very well with a braille display using either JAWS 17 or NV Access. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan > Beitz via BlindLaw > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:50 PM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Dan Beitz > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information > > Question for Elizabeth. How do you get Word documents from your iPad to your computer? Also, do you use a Mack computer as well? Does that work well transferring documents to Word on a Windows computer? > > > > > Daniel K. Beitz > Wienner & Gould, P.C. > 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 > Rochester, MI 48307 > Phone: (248) 841-9405 > Fax: (248) 652-2729 > dbeitz at wiennergould.com > > www.wiennergould.com > > This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > Michal Nowicki via BlindLaw > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:40 PM > To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' > Cc: Michal Nowicki > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information > > Hi all, > > Although I love dictation in iOS, I personally would not want to have to rely on it to draft a memo, brief, or contract. However, a wireless keyboard or a Bluetooth Braille display with a Braille keyboard could make it work. Nevertheless, I don't intend to give up on Windows or my desktop computer anytime soon. Although I do also have a laptop, I use my desktop whenever I can because it is more powerful. > > Best, > > Michal > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 10:18 AM > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Cc: Elizabeth Rene > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information > > If I had law school to do all over again, I'd get an iPad or an iPad Pro. I love mine, and do all my work on it. Both Word and Pages work beautifully on it, you can export in both Word and PDF from either app, and Pages takes dictation beautifully. VoiceOver works beautifully for legal research, and lets me read 1000+-page files comfortably. And, as a bonus, you don't have to keep memorizing new key combination commands. And you're not chained to a desk. > I used JAWS for years and years, and felt like a hostage every time an upgrade to the software was needed. Apple builds speech right into its operating systems. And the KNFB Reader app lets you scan what you can't get online. > Lastly, if that isn't clear and convincing evidence in the iPads favor, think of the bar review. I recently took the UBE (my second bar exam) using a course called BarMax, taught completely on the iPad, and passed right out of the box. And I could study outside or at Starbucks! > I rest my case. > > Elizabeth M René > Attorney at Law > WSBA #10710 > KCBA #21824 > rene0373 at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%40iclo > ud.com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wienner > gould.com _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gma > il.com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/awildheir%40gmai > l.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com From anitakeithfoust at gmail.com Wed Oct 19 12:25:34 2016 From: anitakeithfoust at gmail.com (Anita Keith-Foust) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 08:25:34 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Information In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <25309224-1004-45DF-B963-A5D47134C54A@gmail.com> Dear Elizabeth: I hope that you are well. I have been following this great discussion and it has been extremely informative. It will help me tremendously once I learn how to apply the information. How did you learn how to use the equipment? Did you have to experiment until you figured it out? Is there a class that the Apple Stores offer? I have an iPad Pro and have stopped using it because I have a Bluetooth keyboard that I use with my iPhone. I can't keep my place of where I am typing so I feel like I make a lot of time consuming errors. I was totally blind and some of my sight has come back. I still cannot see well and am classified as legally blind and low vision. I have attempted to learn Braille for the past year and I am slow as molasses on a cold winter morning. How do you manage to keep your productivity up? I need any suggestions that you have. Help! Sincerely, Anita Keith-Foust 919-430-1978 Sent from my iPhone. Please forgive typos. > On Oct 18, 2016, at 1:27 PM, Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw wrote: > > Hi Daniel, > I can send Word documents as attachments to anyone or to a Windows computer mailbox of my own, either in Word or PDF, using the "share" utility in Word on my iPad. I can also send them to Dropbox and retrieve them from there to insert into my emails as attachments from anywhere that I can access Dropbox from the email address for that account. The "hand off" utility in Apple's operating systems should let you switch back and forth between your iOS device and your Mac, so that if you have Word installed on both machines you can start a project on one and finish on the other. I have a Mac, but haven't used this utility because I like working on my iPad the best. > Elizabeth > > > Elizabeth M René > Attorney at Law > WSBA #10710 > KCBA #21824 > rene0373 at gmail.com > > On Oct 18, 2016, at 5:00 AM, blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org wrote: > > Send BlindLaw mailing list submissions to > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > blindlaw-owner at nfbnet.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of BlindLaw digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Information (Luis Mendez) > 2. Re: Information (Tai Tomasi) > 3. Re: Information (Luis Mendez) > 4. Re: Information (Dan Beitz) > 5. Re: Information (Luis Mendez) > 6. Re: Information (Dan Beitz) > 7. Re: Information (mrallman116 at gmail.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 10:04:11 -0400 > From: "Luis Mendez" > To: "'Blind Law Mailing List'" > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information > Message-ID: <052e01d2287f$56f37880$04da6980$@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > I agree with Elizabeth that as a productivity and reading tool the Ipad is great. However, I encountered more productivity challenges with the Mac Book Pro with both Pages and Word 2016. In the end I reverted to a Windows laptop for some aspects of my work. I also discovered to my delight that Dragon Professional 15 works very well with a braille display using either JAWS 17 or NV Access. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Beitz via BlindLaw > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:50 PM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Dan Beitz > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information > > Question for Elizabeth. How do you get Word documents from your iPad to your computer? Also, do you use a Mack computer as well? Does that work well transferring documents to Word on a Windows computer? > > > > > Daniel K. Beitz > Wienner & Gould, P.C. > 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 > Rochester, MI 48307 > Phone: (248) 841-9405 > Fax: (248) 652-2729 > dbeitz at wiennergould.com > > www.wiennergould.com > > This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki via BlindLaw > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:40 PM > To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' > Cc: Michal Nowicki > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information > > Hi all, > > Although I love dictation in iOS, I personally would not want to have to rely on it to draft a memo, brief, or contract. However, a wireless keyboard or a Bluetooth Braille display with a Braille keyboard could make it work. Nevertheless, I don't intend to give up on Windows or my desktop computer anytime soon. Although I do also have a laptop, I use my desktop whenever I can because it is more powerful. > > Best, > > Michal > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 10:18 AM > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Cc: Elizabeth Rene > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information > > If I had law school to do all over again, I'd get an iPad or an iPad Pro. I love mine, and do all my work on it. Both Word and Pages work beautifully on it, you can export in both Word and PDF from either app, and Pages takes dictation beautifully. VoiceOver works beautifully for legal research, and lets me read 1000+-page files comfortably. And, as a bonus, you don't have to keep memorizing new key combination commands. And you're not chained to a desk. > I used JAWS for years and years, and felt like a hostage every time an upgrade to the software was needed. Apple builds speech right into its operating systems. And the KNFB Reader app lets you scan what you can't get online. > Lastly, if that isn't clear and convincing evidence in the iPads favor, think of the bar review. I recently took the UBE (my second bar exam) using a course called BarMax, taught completely on the iPad, and passed right out of the box. And I could study outside or at Starbucks! > I rest my case. > > Elizabeth M Ren? > Attorney at Law > WSBA #10710 > KCBA #21824 > rene0373 at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%40icloud.com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 14:13:42 +0000 > From: Tai Tomasi > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Luis: > > Do you need any additional software or scripts to use Dragon with JAWS 17? By NV Access, are you referring to NVDA? > > Tai Tomasi, J.D. > Staff Attorney > > > > 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 > Des Moines, Iowa 50309 > Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 > FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 > E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org > www.driowa.org > > Our Mission:? To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luis Mendez via BlindLaw > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 9:04 AM > To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' > Cc: Luis Mendez > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information > > I agree with Elizabeth that as a productivity and reading tool the Ipad is great. However, I encountered more productivity challenges with the Mac Book Pro with both Pages and Word 2016. In the end I reverted to a Windows laptop for some aspects of my work. I also discovered to my delight that Dragon Professional 15 works very well with a braille display using either JAWS 17 or NV Access. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Beitz via BlindLaw > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:50 PM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Dan Beitz > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information > > Question for Elizabeth. How do you get Word documents from your iPad to your computer? Also, do you use a Mack computer as well? Does that work well transferring documents to Word on a Windows computer? > > > > > Daniel K. Beitz > Wienner & Gould, P.C. > 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 > Rochester, MI 48307 > Phone: (248) 841-9405 > Fax: (248) 652-2729 > dbeitz at wiennergould.com > > www.wiennergould.com > > This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki via BlindLaw > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:40 PM > To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' > Cc: Michal Nowicki > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information > > Hi all, > > Although I love dictation in iOS, I personally would not want to have to rely on it to draft a memo, brief, or contract. However, a wireless keyboard or a Bluetooth Braille display with a Braille keyboard could make it work. Nevertheless, I don't intend to give up on Windows or my desktop computer anytime soon. Although I do also have a laptop, I use my desktop whenever I can because it is more powerful. > > Best, > > Michal > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 10:18 AM > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Cc: Elizabeth Rene > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information > > If I had law school to do all over again, I'd get an iPad or an iPad Pro. I love mine, and do all my work on it. Both Word and Pages work beautifully on it, you can export in both Word and PDF from either app, and Pages takes dictation beautifully. VoiceOver works beautifully for legal research, and lets me read 1000+-page files comfortably. And, as a bonus, you don't have to keep memorizing new key combination commands. And you're not chained to a desk. > I used JAWS for years and years, and felt like a hostage every time an upgrade to the software was needed. Apple builds speech right into its operating systems. And the KNFB Reader app lets you scan what you can't get online. > Lastly, if that isn't clear and convincing evidence in the iPads favor, think of the bar review. I recently took the UBE (my second bar exam) using a course called BarMax, taught completely on the iPad, and passed right out of the box. And I could study outside or at Starbucks! > I rest my case. > > Elizabeth M Ren? > Attorney at Law > WSBA #10710 > KCBA #21824 > rene0373 at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%40icloud.com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40driowa.org > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 11:16:47 -0400 > From: "Luis Mendez" > To: "'Blind Law Mailing List'" > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information > Message-ID: <064301d22889$7ace0b80$706a2280$@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Good morning: > > I am using JAWS 17 and NV Access, A.K.A. NVDA with a Braille Edge 40, with no additional software other than the required drivers ver each screen reader. However, Dragon still requires bridge software to read back what is on the screen. I am eagerly awaiting further development of Access Bridge. I did have Jay-Say, but the upkeep was not cost effective. > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 10:14 AM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Tai Tomasi > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information > > Luis: > > Do you need any additional software or scripts to use Dragon with JAWS 17? By NV Access, are you referring to NVDA? > > Tai Tomasi, J.D. > Staff Attorney > > > > 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 > Des Moines, Iowa 50309 > Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 > FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 > E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org > www.driowa.org > > Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luis Mendez via BlindLaw > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 9:04 AM > To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' > Cc: Luis Mendez > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information > > I agree with Elizabeth that as a productivity and reading tool the Ipad is great. However, I encountered more productivity challenges with the Mac Book Pro with both Pages and Word 2016. In the end I reverted to a Windows laptop for some aspects of my work. I also discovered to my delight that Dragon Professional 15 works very well with a braille display using either JAWS 17 or NV Access. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Beitz via BlindLaw > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:50 PM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Dan Beitz > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information > > Question for Elizabeth. How do you get Word documents from your iPad to your computer? Also, do you use a Mack computer as well? Does that work well transferring documents to Word on a Windows computer? > > > > > Daniel K. Beitz > Wienner & Gould, P.C. > 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 > Rochester, MI 48307 > Phone: (248) 841-9405 > Fax: (248) 652-2729 > dbeitz at wiennergould.com > > www.wiennergould.com > > This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki via BlindLaw > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:40 PM > To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' > Cc: Michal Nowicki > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information > > Hi all, > > Although I love dictation in iOS, I personally would not want to have to rely on it to draft a memo, brief, or contract. However, a wireless keyboard or a Bluetooth Braille display with a Braille keyboard could make it work. Nevertheless, I don't intend to give up on Windows or my desktop computer anytime soon. Although I do also have a laptop, I use my desktop whenever I can because it is more powerful. > > Best, > > Michal > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 10:18 AM > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Cc: Elizabeth Rene > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information > > If I had law school to do all over again, I'd get an iPad or an iPad Pro. I love mine, and do all my work on it. Both Word and Pages work beautifully on it, you can export in both Word and PDF from either app, and Pages takes dictation beautifully. VoiceOver works beautifully for legal research, and lets me read 1000+-page files comfortably. And, as a bonus, you don't have to keep memorizing new key combination commands. And you're not chained to a desk. > I used JAWS for years and years, and felt like a hostage every time an upgrade to the software was needed. Apple builds speech right into its operating systems. And the KNFB Reader app lets you scan what you can't get online. > Lastly, if that isn't clear and convincing evidence in the iPads favor, think of the bar review. I recently took the UBE (my second bar exam) using a course called BarMax, taught completely on the iPad, and passed right out of the box. And I could study outside or at Starbucks! > I rest my case. > > Elizabeth M Ren? > Attorney at Law > WSBA #10710 > KCBA #21824 > rene0373 at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%40icloud.com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40driowa.org > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 15:23:44 +0000 > From: Dan Beitz > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > How do you get docs from the iPad to your windows laptop? > > > > > Daniel K. Beitz > Wienner & Gould, P.C. > 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 > Rochester, MI? 48307 > Phone:? (248) 841-9405 > Fax:? (248) 652-2729 > dbeitz at wiennergould.com > > www.wiennergould.com > > This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached > to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged.? If you are > not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email > to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, > or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to > this email is strictly prohibited.? Should you receive this communication in error, > please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning > us at (248) 841-9400. > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luis Mendez via BlindLaw > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 11:17 AM > To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' > Cc: Luis Mendez > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information > > Good morning: > > I am using JAWS 17 and NV Access, A.K.A. NVDA with a Braille Edge 40, with no additional software other than the required drivers ver each screen reader. However, Dragon still requires bridge software to read back what is on the screen. I am eagerly awaiting further development of Access Bridge. I did have Jay-Say, but the upkeep was not cost effective. > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 10:14 AM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Tai Tomasi > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information > > Luis: > > Do you need any additional software or scripts to use Dragon with JAWS 17? By NV Access, are you referring to NVDA? > > Tai Tomasi, J.D. > Staff Attorney > > > > 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 > Des Moines, Iowa 50309 > Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 > FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 > E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org > www.driowa.org > > Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luis Mendez via BlindLaw > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 9:04 AM > To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' > Cc: Luis Mendez > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information > > I agree with Elizabeth that as a productivity and reading tool the Ipad is great. However, I encountered more productivity challenges with the Mac Book Pro with both Pages and Word 2016. In the end I reverted to a Windows laptop for some aspects of my work. I also discovered to my delight that Dragon Professional 15 works very well with a braille display using either JAWS 17 or NV Access. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Beitz via BlindLaw > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:50 PM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Dan Beitz > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information > > Question for Elizabeth. How do you get Word documents from your iPad to your computer? Also, do you use a Mack computer as well? Does that work well transferring documents to Word on a Windows computer? > > > > > Daniel K. Beitz > Wienner & Gould, P.C. > 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 > Rochester, MI 48307 > Phone: (248) 841-9405 > Fax: (248) 652-2729 > dbeitz at wiennergould.com > > www.wiennergould.com > > This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki via BlindLaw > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:40 PM > To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' > Cc: Michal Nowicki > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information > > Hi all, > > Although I love dictation in iOS, I personally would not want to have to rely on it to draft a memo, brief, or contract. However, a wireless keyboard or a Bluetooth Braille display with a Braille keyboard could make it work. Nevertheless, I don't intend to give up on Windows or my desktop computer anytime soon. Although I do also have a laptop, I use my desktop whenever I can because it is more powerful. > > Best, > > Michal > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 10:18 AM > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Cc: Elizabeth Rene > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information > > If I had law school to do all over again, I'd get an iPad or an iPad Pro. I love mine, and do all my work on it. Both Word and Pages work beautifully on it, you can export in both Word and PDF from either app, and Pages takes dictation beautifully. VoiceOver works beautifully for legal research, and lets me read 1000+-page files comfortably. And, as a bonus, you don't have to keep memorizing new key combination commands. And you're not chained to a desk. > I used JAWS for years and years, and felt like a hostage every time an upgrade to the software was needed. Apple builds speech right into its operating systems. And the KNFB Reader app lets you scan what you can't get online. > Lastly, if that isn't clear and convincing evidence in the iPads favor, think of the bar review. I recently took the UBE (my second bar exam) using a course called BarMax, taught completely on the iPad, and passed right out of the box. And I could study outside or at Starbucks! > I rest my case. > > Elizabeth M Ren? > Attorney at Law > WSBA #10710 > KCBA #21824 > rene0373 at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%40icloud.com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40driowa.org > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 13:24:15 -0400 > From: "Luis Mendez" > To: "'Dan Beitz'" , "'Blind Law Mailing > List'" > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information > Message-ID: <06a401d2289b$49f376a0$ddda63e0$@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > I use ICloud for which there is a Windows App, One Drive and Dropbox, depending on the workflow. I recommend storing documents to be accessed for reading on ICloud since they can be accessed with little effort from within Voice dream. I put my Word documents in One Drive, which makes Word the default app for opening them. I store very large project files on Dropbox. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Beitz [mailto:dbeitz at wiennergould.com] > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 11:24 AM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Luis Mendez > Subject: RE: [blindlaw] Information > > How do you get docs from the iPad to your windows laptop? > > > > > Daniel K. Beitz > Wienner & Gould, P.C. > 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 > Rochester, MI 48307 > Phone: (248) 841-9405 > Fax: (248) 652-2729 > dbeitz at wiennergould.com > > www.wiennergould.com > > This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luis Mendez via BlindLaw > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 11:17 AM > To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' > Cc: Luis Mendez > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information > > Good morning: > > I am using JAWS 17 and NV Access, A.K.A. NVDA with a Braille Edge 40, with no additional software other than the required drivers ver each screen reader. However, Dragon still requires bridge software to read back what is on the screen. I am eagerly awaiting further development of Access Bridge. I did have Jay-Say, but the upkeep was not cost effective. > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 10:14 AM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Tai Tomasi > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information > > Luis: > > Do you need any additional software or scripts to use Dragon with JAWS 17? By NV Access, are you referring to NVDA? > > Tai Tomasi, J.D. > Staff Attorney > > > > 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 > Des Moines, Iowa 50309 > Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 > FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 > E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org > www.driowa.org > > Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luis Mendez via BlindLaw > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 9:04 AM > To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' > Cc: Luis Mendez > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information > > I agree with Elizabeth that as a productivity and reading tool the Ipad is great. However, I encountered more productivity challenges with the Mac Book Pro with both Pages and Word 2016. In the end I reverted to a Windows laptop for some aspects of my work. I also discovered to my delight that Dragon Professional 15 works very well with a braille display using either JAWS 17 or NV Access. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Beitz via BlindLaw > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:50 PM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Dan Beitz > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information > > Question for Elizabeth. How do you get Word documents from your iPad to your computer? Also, do you use a Mack computer as well? Does that work well transferring documents to Word on a Windows computer? > > > > > Daniel K. Beitz > Wienner & Gould, P.C. > 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 > Rochester, MI 48307 > Phone: (248) 841-9405 > Fax: (248) 652-2729 > dbeitz at wiennergould.com > > www.wiennergould.com > > This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki via BlindLaw > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:40 PM > To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' > Cc: Michal Nowicki > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information > > Hi all, > > Although I love dictation in iOS, I personally would not want to have to rely on it to draft a memo, brief, or contract. However, a wireless keyboard or a Bluetooth Braille display with a Braille keyboard could make it work. Nevertheless, I don't intend to give up on Windows or my desktop computer anytime soon. Although I do also have a laptop, I use my desktop whenever I can because it is more powerful. > > Best, > > Michal > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 10:18 AM > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Cc: Elizabeth Rene > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information > > If I had law school to do all over again, I'd get an iPad or an iPad Pro. I love mine, and do all my work on it. Both Word and Pages work beautifully on it, you can export in both Word and PDF from either app, and Pages takes dictation beautifully. VoiceOver works beautifully for legal research, and lets me read 1000+-page files comfortably. And, as a bonus, you don't have to keep memorizing new key combination commands. And you're not chained to a desk. > I used JAWS for years and years, and felt like a hostage every time an upgrade to the software was needed. Apple builds speech right into its operating systems. And the KNFB Reader app lets you scan what you can't get online. > Lastly, if that isn't clear and convincing evidence in the iPads favor, think of the bar review. I recently took the UBE (my second bar exam) using a course called BarMax, taught completely on the iPad, and passed right out of the box. And I could study outside or at Starbucks! > I rest my case. > > Elizabeth M Ren? > Attorney at Law > WSBA #10710 > KCBA #21824 > rene0373 at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%40icloud.com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40driowa.org > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 17:33:58 +0000 > From: Dan Beitz > To: Luis Mendez , 'Blind Law Mailing List' > > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Can you have several documents open at one time? How do you switch between them? Are there any limitations that make using Word or pages on the iPad less useful than on a desktop? > > > > > Daniel K. Beitz > Wienner & Gould, P.C. > 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 > Rochester, MI? 48307 > Phone:? (248) 841-9405 > Fax:? (248) 652-2729 > dbeitz at wiennergould.com > > www.wiennergould.com > > This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached > to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged.? If you are > not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email > to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, > or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to > this email is strictly prohibited.? Should you receive this communication in error, > please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning > us at (248) 841-9400. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Luis Mendez [mailto:lmendez716 at gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 1:24 PM > To: Dan Beitz; 'Blind Law Mailing List' > Subject: RE: [blindlaw] Information > > I use ICloud for which there is a Windows App, One Drive and Dropbox, depending on the workflow. I recommend storing documents to be accessed for reading on ICloud since they can be accessed with little effort from within Voice dream. I put my Word documents in One Drive, which makes Word the default app for opening them. I store very large project files on Dropbox. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Beitz [mailto:dbeitz at wiennergould.com] > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 11:24 AM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Luis Mendez > Subject: RE: [blindlaw] Information > > How do you get docs from the iPad to your windows laptop? > > > > > Daniel K. Beitz > Wienner & Gould, P.C. > 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 > Rochester, MI 48307 > Phone: (248) 841-9405 > Fax: (248) 652-2729 > dbeitz at wiennergould.com > > www.wiennergould.com > > This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luis Mendez via BlindLaw > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 11:17 AM > To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' > Cc: Luis Mendez > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information > > Good morning: > > I am using JAWS 17 and NV Access, A.K.A. NVDA with a Braille Edge 40, with no additional software other than the required drivers ver each screen reader. However, Dragon still requires bridge software to read back what is on the screen. I am eagerly awaiting further development of Access Bridge. I did have Jay-Say, but the upkeep was not cost effective. > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 10:14 AM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Tai Tomasi > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information > > Luis: > > Do you need any additional software or scripts to use Dragon with JAWS 17? By NV Access, are you referring to NVDA? > > Tai Tomasi, J.D. > Staff Attorney > > > > 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 > Des Moines, Iowa 50309 > Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 > FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 > E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org > www.driowa.org > > Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luis Mendez via BlindLaw > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 9:04 AM > To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' > Cc: Luis Mendez > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information > > I agree with Elizabeth that as a productivity and reading tool the Ipad is great. However, I encountered more productivity challenges with the Mac Book Pro with both Pages and Word 2016. In the end I reverted to a Windows laptop for some aspects of my work. I also discovered to my delight that Dragon Professional 15 works very well with a braille display using either JAWS 17 or NV Access. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Beitz via BlindLaw > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:50 PM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Dan Beitz > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information > > Question for Elizabeth. How do you get Word documents from your iPad to your computer? Also, do you use a Mack computer as well? Does that work well transferring documents to Word on a Windows computer? > > > > > Daniel K. Beitz > Wienner & Gould, P.C. > 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 > Rochester, MI 48307 > Phone: (248) 841-9405 > Fax: (248) 652-2729 > dbeitz at wiennergould.com > > www.wiennergould.com > > This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki via BlindLaw > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:40 PM > To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' > Cc: Michal Nowicki > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information > > Hi all, > > Although I love dictation in iOS, I personally would not want to have to rely on it to draft a memo, brief, or contract. However, a wireless keyboard or a Bluetooth Braille display with a Braille keyboard could make it work. Nevertheless, I don't intend to give up on Windows or my desktop computer anytime soon. Although I do also have a laptop, I use my desktop whenever I can because it is more powerful. > > Best, > > Michal > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 10:18 AM > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Cc: Elizabeth Rene > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information > > If I had law school to do all over again, I'd get an iPad or an iPad Pro. I love mine, and do all my work on it. Both Word and Pages work beautifully on it, you can export in both Word and PDF from either app, and Pages takes dictation beautifully. VoiceOver works beautifully for legal research, and lets me read 1000+-page files comfortably. And, as a bonus, you don't have to keep memorizing new key combination commands. And you're not chained to a desk. > I used JAWS for years and years, and felt like a hostage every time an upgrade to the software was needed. Apple builds speech right into its operating systems. And the KNFB Reader app lets you scan what you can't get online. > Lastly, if that isn't clear and convincing evidence in the iPads favor, think of the bar review. I recently took the UBE (my second bar exam) using a course called BarMax, taught completely on the iPad, and passed right out of the box. And I could study outside or at Starbucks! > I rest my case. > > Elizabeth M Ren? > Attorney at Law > WSBA #10710 > KCBA #21824 > rene0373 at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%40icloud.com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40driowa.org > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 20:40:49 -0500 > From: mrallman116 at gmail.com > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information > Message-ID: <0DCA9C87-C8FF-4CA7-942E-58F485526CDF at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > That is one of the things I really don't like about Word on the iPad. You cannot have more than one document open at once. I do not know about pages > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 17, 2016, at 12:33 PM, Dan Beitz via BlindLaw wrote: >> >> Can you have several documents open at one time? How do you switch between them? Are there any limitations that make using Word or pages on the iPad less useful than on a desktop? >> >> >> >> >> Daniel K. Beitz >> Wienner & Gould, P.C. >> 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 >> Rochester, MI 48307 >> Phone: (248) 841-9405 >> Fax: (248) 652-2729 >> dbeitz at wiennergould.com >> >> www.wiennergould.com >> >> This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached >> to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are >> not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email >> to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, >> or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to >> this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, >> please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning >> us at (248) 841-9400. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Luis Mendez [mailto:lmendez716 at gmail.com] >> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 1:24 PM >> To: Dan Beitz; 'Blind Law Mailing List' >> Subject: RE: [blindlaw] Information >> >> I use ICloud for which there is a Windows App, One Drive and Dropbox, depending on the workflow. I recommend storing documents to be accessed for reading on ICloud since they can be accessed with little effort from within Voice dream. I put my Word documents in One Drive, which makes Word the default app for opening them. I store very large project files on Dropbox. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dan Beitz [mailto:dbeitz at wiennergould.com] >> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 11:24 AM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Cc: Luis Mendez >> Subject: RE: [blindlaw] Information >> >> How do you get docs from the iPad to your windows laptop? >> >> >> >> >> Daniel K. Beitz >> Wienner & Gould, P.C. >> 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 >> Rochester, MI 48307 >> Phone: (248) 841-9405 >> Fax: (248) 652-2729 >> dbeitz at wiennergould.com >> >> www.wiennergould.com >> >> This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luis Mendez via BlindLaw >> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 11:17 AM >> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' >> Cc: Luis Mendez >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> Good morning: >> >> I am using JAWS 17 and NV Access, A.K.A. NVDA with a Braille Edge 40, with no additional software other than the required drivers ver each screen reader. However, Dragon still requires bridge software to read back what is on the screen. I am eagerly awaiting further development of Access Bridge. I did have Jay-Say, but the upkeep was not cost effective. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw >> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 10:14 AM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Cc: Tai Tomasi >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> Luis: >> >> Do you need any additional software or scripts to use Dragon with JAWS 17? By NV Access, are you referring to NVDA? >> >> Tai Tomasi, J.D. >> Staff Attorney >> >> >> >> 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 >> Des Moines, Iowa 50309 >> Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 >> FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 >> E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org >> www.driowa.org >> >> Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities >> >> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE >> >> This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luis Mendez via BlindLaw >> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 9:04 AM >> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' >> Cc: Luis Mendez >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> I agree with Elizabeth that as a productivity and reading tool the Ipad is great. However, I encountered more productivity challenges with the Mac Book Pro with both Pages and Word 2016. In the end I reverted to a Windows laptop for some aspects of my work. I also discovered to my delight that Dragon Professional 15 works very well with a braille display using either JAWS 17 or NV Access. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Beitz via BlindLaw >> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:50 PM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Cc: Dan Beitz >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> Question for Elizabeth. How do you get Word documents from your iPad to your computer? Also, do you use a Mack computer as well? Does that work well transferring documents to Word on a Windows computer? >> >> >> >> >> Daniel K. Beitz >> Wienner & Gould, P.C. >> 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 >> Rochester, MI 48307 >> Phone: (248) 841-9405 >> Fax: (248) 652-2729 >> dbeitz at wiennergould.com >> >> www.wiennergould.com >> >> This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki via BlindLaw >> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:40 PM >> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' >> Cc: Michal Nowicki >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> Hi all, >> >> Although I love dictation in iOS, I personally would not want to have to rely on it to draft a memo, brief, or contract. However, a wireless keyboard or a Bluetooth Braille display with a Braille keyboard could make it work. Nevertheless, I don't intend to give up on Windows or my desktop computer anytime soon. Although I do also have a laptop, I use my desktop whenever I can because it is more powerful. >> >> Best, >> >> Michal >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw >> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 10:18 AM >> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> Cc: Elizabeth Rene >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> If I had law school to do all over again, I'd get an iPad or an iPad Pro. I love mine, and do all my work on it. Both Word and Pages work beautifully on it, you can export in both Word and PDF from either app, and Pages takes dictation beautifully. VoiceOver works beautifully for legal research, and lets me read 1000+-page files comfortably. And, as a bonus, you don't have to keep memorizing new key combination commands. And you're not chained to a desk. >> I used JAWS for years and years, and felt like a hostage every time an upgrade to the software was needed. Apple builds speech right into its operating systems. And the KNFB Reader app lets you scan what you can't get online. >> Lastly, if that isn't clear and convincing evidence in the iPads favor, think of the bar review. I recently took the UBE (my second bar exam) using a course called BarMax, taught completely on the iPad, and passed right out of the box. And I could study outside or at Starbucks! >> I rest my case. >> >> Elizabeth M Ren? >> Attorney at Law >> WSBA #10710 >> KCBA #21824 >> rene0373 at gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%40icloud.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40driowa.org >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrallman116%40gmail.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > > ------------------------------ > > End of BlindLaw Digest, Vol 149, Issue 12 > ***************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/anitakeithfoust%40gmail.com From awildheir at gmail.com Wed Oct 19 14:36:17 2016 From: awildheir at gmail.com (Aimee Harwood) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2016 10:36:17 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Information In-Reply-To: <25309224-1004-45DF-B963-A5D47134C54A@gmail.com> References: <25309224-1004-45DF-B963-A5D47134C54A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3E11A7DD-0350-44BA-BF2C-D1CA0B6D454E@gmail.com> Hello Elizabeth, Make that two in regards to Anita's questions. Lol Aimee Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 19, 2016, at 8:25 AM, Anita Keith-Foust via BlindLaw wrote: > > Dear Elizabeth: > > I hope that you are well. > > I have been following this great discussion and it has been extremely informative. It will help me tremendously once I learn how to apply the information. > > How did you learn how to use the equipment? Did you have to experiment until you figured it out? Is there a class that the Apple Stores offer? > > I have an iPad Pro and have stopped using it because I have a Bluetooth keyboard that I use with my iPhone. > > I can't keep my place of where I am typing so I feel like I make a lot of time consuming errors. I was totally blind and some of my sight has come back. I still cannot see well and am classified as legally blind and low vision. I have attempted to learn Braille for the past year and I am slow as molasses on a cold winter morning. How do you manage to keep your productivity up? I need any suggestions that you have. Help! > > Sincerely, > > Anita Keith-Foust > 919-430-1978 > > Sent from my iPhone. Please forgive typos. > >> On Oct 18, 2016, at 1:27 PM, Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw wrote: >> >> Hi Daniel, >> I can send Word documents as attachments to anyone or to a Windows computer mailbox of my own, either in Word or PDF, using the "share" utility in Word on my iPad. I can also send them to Dropbox and retrieve them from there to insert into my emails as attachments from anywhere that I can access Dropbox from the email address for that account. The "hand off" utility in Apple's operating systems should let you switch back and forth between your iOS device and your Mac, so that if you have Word installed on both machines you can start a project on one and finish on the other. I have a Mac, but haven't used this utility because I like working on my iPad the best. >> Elizabeth >> >> >> Elizabeth M René >> Attorney at Law >> WSBA #10710 >> KCBA #21824 >> rene0373 at gmail.com >> >> On Oct 18, 2016, at 5:00 AM, blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org wrote: >> >> Send BlindLaw mailing list submissions to >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> blindlaw-owner at nfbnet.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of BlindLaw digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Information (Luis Mendez) >> 2. Re: Information (Tai Tomasi) >> 3. Re: Information (Luis Mendez) >> 4. Re: Information (Dan Beitz) >> 5. Re: Information (Luis Mendez) >> 6. Re: Information (Dan Beitz) >> 7. Re: Information (mrallman116 at gmail.com) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 10:04:11 -0400 >> From: "Luis Mendez" >> To: "'Blind Law Mailing List'" >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> Message-ID: <052e01d2287f$56f37880$04da6980$@gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >> >> I agree with Elizabeth that as a productivity and reading tool the Ipad is great. However, I encountered more productivity challenges with the Mac Book Pro with both Pages and Word 2016. In the end I reverted to a Windows laptop for some aspects of my work. I also discovered to my delight that Dragon Professional 15 works very well with a braille display using either JAWS 17 or NV Access. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Beitz via BlindLaw >> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:50 PM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Cc: Dan Beitz >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> Question for Elizabeth. How do you get Word documents from your iPad to your computer? Also, do you use a Mack computer as well? Does that work well transferring documents to Word on a Windows computer? >> >> >> >> >> Daniel K. Beitz >> Wienner & Gould, P.C. >> 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 >> Rochester, MI 48307 >> Phone: (248) 841-9405 >> Fax: (248) 652-2729 >> dbeitz at wiennergould.com >> >> www.wiennergould.com >> >> This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki via BlindLaw >> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:40 PM >> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' >> Cc: Michal Nowicki >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> Hi all, >> >> Although I love dictation in iOS, I personally would not want to have to rely on it to draft a memo, brief, or contract. However, a wireless keyboard or a Bluetooth Braille display with a Braille keyboard could make it work. Nevertheless, I don't intend to give up on Windows or my desktop computer anytime soon. Although I do also have a laptop, I use my desktop whenever I can because it is more powerful. >> >> Best, >> >> Michal >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw >> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 10:18 AM >> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> Cc: Elizabeth Rene >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> If I had law school to do all over again, I'd get an iPad or an iPad Pro. I love mine, and do all my work on it. Both Word and Pages work beautifully on it, you can export in both Word and PDF from either app, and Pages takes dictation beautifully. VoiceOver works beautifully for legal research, and lets me read 1000+-page files comfortably. And, as a bonus, you don't have to keep memorizing new key combination commands. And you're not chained to a desk. >> I used JAWS for years and years, and felt like a hostage every time an upgrade to the software was needed. Apple builds speech right into its operating systems. And the KNFB Reader app lets you scan what you can't get online. >> Lastly, if that isn't clear and convincing evidence in the iPads favor, think of the bar review. I recently took the UBE (my second bar exam) using a course called BarMax, taught completely on the iPad, and passed right out of the box. And I could study outside or at Starbucks! >> I rest my case. >> >> Elizabeth M Ren? >> Attorney at Law >> WSBA #10710 >> KCBA #21824 >> rene0373 at gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%40icloud.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 14:13:42 +0000 >> From: Tai Tomasi >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Luis: >> >> Do you need any additional software or scripts to use Dragon with JAWS 17? By NV Access, are you referring to NVDA? >> >> Tai Tomasi, J.D. >> Staff Attorney >> >> >> >> 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 >> Des Moines, Iowa 50309 >> Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 >> FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 >> E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org >> www.driowa.org >> >> Our Mission:? To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities >> >> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE >> >> This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luis Mendez via BlindLaw >> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 9:04 AM >> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' >> Cc: Luis Mendez >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> I agree with Elizabeth that as a productivity and reading tool the Ipad is great. However, I encountered more productivity challenges with the Mac Book Pro with both Pages and Word 2016. In the end I reverted to a Windows laptop for some aspects of my work. I also discovered to my delight that Dragon Professional 15 works very well with a braille display using either JAWS 17 or NV Access. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Beitz via BlindLaw >> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:50 PM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Cc: Dan Beitz >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> Question for Elizabeth. How do you get Word documents from your iPad to your computer? Also, do you use a Mack computer as well? Does that work well transferring documents to Word on a Windows computer? >> >> >> >> >> Daniel K. Beitz >> Wienner & Gould, P.C. >> 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 >> Rochester, MI 48307 >> Phone: (248) 841-9405 >> Fax: (248) 652-2729 >> dbeitz at wiennergould.com >> >> www.wiennergould.com >> >> This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki via BlindLaw >> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:40 PM >> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' >> Cc: Michal Nowicki >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> Hi all, >> >> Although I love dictation in iOS, I personally would not want to have to rely on it to draft a memo, brief, or contract. However, a wireless keyboard or a Bluetooth Braille display with a Braille keyboard could make it work. Nevertheless, I don't intend to give up on Windows or my desktop computer anytime soon. Although I do also have a laptop, I use my desktop whenever I can because it is more powerful. >> >> Best, >> >> Michal >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw >> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 10:18 AM >> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> Cc: Elizabeth Rene >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> If I had law school to do all over again, I'd get an iPad or an iPad Pro. I love mine, and do all my work on it. Both Word and Pages work beautifully on it, you can export in both Word and PDF from either app, and Pages takes dictation beautifully. VoiceOver works beautifully for legal research, and lets me read 1000+-page files comfortably. And, as a bonus, you don't have to keep memorizing new key combination commands. And you're not chained to a desk. >> I used JAWS for years and years, and felt like a hostage every time an upgrade to the software was needed. Apple builds speech right into its operating systems. And the KNFB Reader app lets you scan what you can't get online. >> Lastly, if that isn't clear and convincing evidence in the iPads favor, think of the bar review. I recently took the UBE (my second bar exam) using a course called BarMax, taught completely on the iPad, and passed right out of the box. And I could study outside or at Starbucks! >> I rest my case. >> >> Elizabeth M Ren? >> Attorney at Law >> WSBA #10710 >> KCBA #21824 >> rene0373 at gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%40icloud.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40driowa.org >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 11:16:47 -0400 >> From: "Luis Mendez" >> To: "'Blind Law Mailing List'" >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> Message-ID: <064301d22889$7ace0b80$706a2280$@gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >> >> Good morning: >> >> I am using JAWS 17 and NV Access, A.K.A. NVDA with a Braille Edge 40, with no additional software other than the required drivers ver each screen reader. However, Dragon still requires bridge software to read back what is on the screen. I am eagerly awaiting further development of Access Bridge. I did have Jay-Say, but the upkeep was not cost effective. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw >> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 10:14 AM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Cc: Tai Tomasi >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> Luis: >> >> Do you need any additional software or scripts to use Dragon with JAWS 17? By NV Access, are you referring to NVDA? >> >> Tai Tomasi, J.D. >> Staff Attorney >> >> >> >> 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 >> Des Moines, Iowa 50309 >> Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 >> FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 >> E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org >> www.driowa.org >> >> Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities >> >> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE >> >> This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luis Mendez via BlindLaw >> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 9:04 AM >> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' >> Cc: Luis Mendez >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> I agree with Elizabeth that as a productivity and reading tool the Ipad is great. However, I encountered more productivity challenges with the Mac Book Pro with both Pages and Word 2016. In the end I reverted to a Windows laptop for some aspects of my work. I also discovered to my delight that Dragon Professional 15 works very well with a braille display using either JAWS 17 or NV Access. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Beitz via BlindLaw >> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:50 PM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Cc: Dan Beitz >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> Question for Elizabeth. How do you get Word documents from your iPad to your computer? Also, do you use a Mack computer as well? Does that work well transferring documents to Word on a Windows computer? >> >> >> >> >> Daniel K. Beitz >> Wienner & Gould, P.C. >> 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 >> Rochester, MI 48307 >> Phone: (248) 841-9405 >> Fax: (248) 652-2729 >> dbeitz at wiennergould.com >> >> www.wiennergould.com >> >> This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki via BlindLaw >> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:40 PM >> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' >> Cc: Michal Nowicki >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> Hi all, >> >> Although I love dictation in iOS, I personally would not want to have to rely on it to draft a memo, brief, or contract. However, a wireless keyboard or a Bluetooth Braille display with a Braille keyboard could make it work. Nevertheless, I don't intend to give up on Windows or my desktop computer anytime soon. Although I do also have a laptop, I use my desktop whenever I can because it is more powerful. >> >> Best, >> >> Michal >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw >> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 10:18 AM >> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> Cc: Elizabeth Rene >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> If I had law school to do all over again, I'd get an iPad or an iPad Pro. I love mine, and do all my work on it. Both Word and Pages work beautifully on it, you can export in both Word and PDF from either app, and Pages takes dictation beautifully. VoiceOver works beautifully for legal research, and lets me read 1000+-page files comfortably. And, as a bonus, you don't have to keep memorizing new key combination commands. And you're not chained to a desk. >> I used JAWS for years and years, and felt like a hostage every time an upgrade to the software was needed. Apple builds speech right into its operating systems. And the KNFB Reader app lets you scan what you can't get online. >> Lastly, if that isn't clear and convincing evidence in the iPads favor, think of the bar review. I recently took the UBE (my second bar exam) using a course called BarMax, taught completely on the iPad, and passed right out of the box. And I could study outside or at Starbucks! >> I rest my case. >> >> Elizabeth M Ren? >> Attorney at Law >> WSBA #10710 >> KCBA #21824 >> rene0373 at gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%40icloud.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40driowa.org >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 15:23:44 +0000 >> From: Dan Beitz >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> How do you get docs from the iPad to your windows laptop? >> >> >> >> >> Daniel K. Beitz >> Wienner & Gould, P.C. >> 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 >> Rochester, MI? 48307 >> Phone:? (248) 841-9405 >> Fax:? (248) 652-2729 >> dbeitz at wiennergould.com >> >> www.wiennergould.com >> >> This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached >> to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged.? If you are >> not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email >> to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, >> or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to >> this email is strictly prohibited.? Should you receive this communication in error, >> please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning >> us at (248) 841-9400. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luis Mendez via BlindLaw >> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 11:17 AM >> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' >> Cc: Luis Mendez >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> Good morning: >> >> I am using JAWS 17 and NV Access, A.K.A. NVDA with a Braille Edge 40, with no additional software other than the required drivers ver each screen reader. However, Dragon still requires bridge software to read back what is on the screen. I am eagerly awaiting further development of Access Bridge. I did have Jay-Say, but the upkeep was not cost effective. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw >> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 10:14 AM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Cc: Tai Tomasi >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> Luis: >> >> Do you need any additional software or scripts to use Dragon with JAWS 17? By NV Access, are you referring to NVDA? >> >> Tai Tomasi, J.D. >> Staff Attorney >> >> >> >> 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 >> Des Moines, Iowa 50309 >> Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 >> FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 >> E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org >> www.driowa.org >> >> Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities >> >> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE >> >> This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luis Mendez via BlindLaw >> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 9:04 AM >> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' >> Cc: Luis Mendez >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> I agree with Elizabeth that as a productivity and reading tool the Ipad is great. However, I encountered more productivity challenges with the Mac Book Pro with both Pages and Word 2016. In the end I reverted to a Windows laptop for some aspects of my work. I also discovered to my delight that Dragon Professional 15 works very well with a braille display using either JAWS 17 or NV Access. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Beitz via BlindLaw >> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:50 PM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Cc: Dan Beitz >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> Question for Elizabeth. How do you get Word documents from your iPad to your computer? Also, do you use a Mack computer as well? Does that work well transferring documents to Word on a Windows computer? >> >> >> >> >> Daniel K. Beitz >> Wienner & Gould, P.C. >> 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 >> Rochester, MI 48307 >> Phone: (248) 841-9405 >> Fax: (248) 652-2729 >> dbeitz at wiennergould.com >> >> www.wiennergould.com >> >> This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki via BlindLaw >> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:40 PM >> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' >> Cc: Michal Nowicki >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> Hi all, >> >> Although I love dictation in iOS, I personally would not want to have to rely on it to draft a memo, brief, or contract. However, a wireless keyboard or a Bluetooth Braille display with a Braille keyboard could make it work. Nevertheless, I don't intend to give up on Windows or my desktop computer anytime soon. Although I do also have a laptop, I use my desktop whenever I can because it is more powerful. >> >> Best, >> >> Michal >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw >> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 10:18 AM >> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> Cc: Elizabeth Rene >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> If I had law school to do all over again, I'd get an iPad or an iPad Pro. I love mine, and do all my work on it. Both Word and Pages work beautifully on it, you can export in both Word and PDF from either app, and Pages takes dictation beautifully. VoiceOver works beautifully for legal research, and lets me read 1000+-page files comfortably. And, as a bonus, you don't have to keep memorizing new key combination commands. And you're not chained to a desk. >> I used JAWS for years and years, and felt like a hostage every time an upgrade to the software was needed. Apple builds speech right into its operating systems. And the KNFB Reader app lets you scan what you can't get online. >> Lastly, if that isn't clear and convincing evidence in the iPads favor, think of the bar review. I recently took the UBE (my second bar exam) using a course called BarMax, taught completely on the iPad, and passed right out of the box. And I could study outside or at Starbucks! >> I rest my case. >> >> Elizabeth M Ren? >> Attorney at Law >> WSBA #10710 >> KCBA #21824 >> rene0373 at gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%40icloud.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40driowa.org >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 13:24:15 -0400 >> From: "Luis Mendez" >> To: "'Dan Beitz'" , "'Blind Law Mailing >> List'" >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> Message-ID: <06a401d2289b$49f376a0$ddda63e0$@gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >> >> I use ICloud for which there is a Windows App, One Drive and Dropbox, depending on the workflow. I recommend storing documents to be accessed for reading on ICloud since they can be accessed with little effort from within Voice dream. I put my Word documents in One Drive, which makes Word the default app for opening them. I store very large project files on Dropbox. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dan Beitz [mailto:dbeitz at wiennergould.com] >> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 11:24 AM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Cc: Luis Mendez >> Subject: RE: [blindlaw] Information >> >> How do you get docs from the iPad to your windows laptop? >> >> >> >> >> Daniel K. Beitz >> Wienner & Gould, P.C. >> 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 >> Rochester, MI 48307 >> Phone: (248) 841-9405 >> Fax: (248) 652-2729 >> dbeitz at wiennergould.com >> >> www.wiennergould.com >> >> This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luis Mendez via BlindLaw >> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 11:17 AM >> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' >> Cc: Luis Mendez >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> Good morning: >> >> I am using JAWS 17 and NV Access, A.K.A. NVDA with a Braille Edge 40, with no additional software other than the required drivers ver each screen reader. However, Dragon still requires bridge software to read back what is on the screen. I am eagerly awaiting further development of Access Bridge. I did have Jay-Say, but the upkeep was not cost effective. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw >> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 10:14 AM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Cc: Tai Tomasi >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> Luis: >> >> Do you need any additional software or scripts to use Dragon with JAWS 17? By NV Access, are you referring to NVDA? >> >> Tai Tomasi, J.D. >> Staff Attorney >> >> >> >> 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 >> Des Moines, Iowa 50309 >> Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 >> FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 >> E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org >> www.driowa.org >> >> Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities >> >> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE >> >> This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luis Mendez via BlindLaw >> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 9:04 AM >> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' >> Cc: Luis Mendez >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> I agree with Elizabeth that as a productivity and reading tool the Ipad is great. However, I encountered more productivity challenges with the Mac Book Pro with both Pages and Word 2016. In the end I reverted to a Windows laptop for some aspects of my work. I also discovered to my delight that Dragon Professional 15 works very well with a braille display using either JAWS 17 or NV Access. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Beitz via BlindLaw >> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:50 PM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Cc: Dan Beitz >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> Question for Elizabeth. How do you get Word documents from your iPad to your computer? Also, do you use a Mack computer as well? Does that work well transferring documents to Word on a Windows computer? >> >> >> >> >> Daniel K. Beitz >> Wienner & Gould, P.C. >> 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 >> Rochester, MI 48307 >> Phone: (248) 841-9405 >> Fax: (248) 652-2729 >> dbeitz at wiennergould.com >> >> www.wiennergould.com >> >> This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki via BlindLaw >> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:40 PM >> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' >> Cc: Michal Nowicki >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> Hi all, >> >> Although I love dictation in iOS, I personally would not want to have to rely on it to draft a memo, brief, or contract. However, a wireless keyboard or a Bluetooth Braille display with a Braille keyboard could make it work. Nevertheless, I don't intend to give up on Windows or my desktop computer anytime soon. Although I do also have a laptop, I use my desktop whenever I can because it is more powerful. >> >> Best, >> >> Michal >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw >> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 10:18 AM >> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> Cc: Elizabeth Rene >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> If I had law school to do all over again, I'd get an iPad or an iPad Pro. I love mine, and do all my work on it. Both Word and Pages work beautifully on it, you can export in both Word and PDF from either app, and Pages takes dictation beautifully. VoiceOver works beautifully for legal research, and lets me read 1000+-page files comfortably. And, as a bonus, you don't have to keep memorizing new key combination commands. And you're not chained to a desk. >> I used JAWS for years and years, and felt like a hostage every time an upgrade to the software was needed. Apple builds speech right into its operating systems. And the KNFB Reader app lets you scan what you can't get online. >> Lastly, if that isn't clear and convincing evidence in the iPads favor, think of the bar review. I recently took the UBE (my second bar exam) using a course called BarMax, taught completely on the iPad, and passed right out of the box. And I could study outside or at Starbucks! >> I rest my case. >> >> Elizabeth M Ren? >> Attorney at Law >> WSBA #10710 >> KCBA #21824 >> rene0373 at gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%40icloud.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40driowa.org >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 17:33:58 +0000 >> From: Dan Beitz >> To: Luis Mendez , 'Blind Law Mailing List' >> >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Can you have several documents open at one time? How do you switch between them? Are there any limitations that make using Word or pages on the iPad less useful than on a desktop? >> >> >> >> >> Daniel K. Beitz >> Wienner & Gould, P.C. >> 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 >> Rochester, MI? 48307 >> Phone:? (248) 841-9405 >> Fax:? (248) 652-2729 >> dbeitz at wiennergould.com >> >> www.wiennergould.com >> >> This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached >> to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged.? If you are >> not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email >> to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, >> or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to >> this email is strictly prohibited.? Should you receive this communication in error, >> please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning >> us at (248) 841-9400. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Luis Mendez [mailto:lmendez716 at gmail.com] >> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 1:24 PM >> To: Dan Beitz; 'Blind Law Mailing List' >> Subject: RE: [blindlaw] Information >> >> I use ICloud for which there is a Windows App, One Drive and Dropbox, depending on the workflow. I recommend storing documents to be accessed for reading on ICloud since they can be accessed with little effort from within Voice dream. I put my Word documents in One Drive, which makes Word the default app for opening them. I store very large project files on Dropbox. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dan Beitz [mailto:dbeitz at wiennergould.com] >> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 11:24 AM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Cc: Luis Mendez >> Subject: RE: [blindlaw] Information >> >> How do you get docs from the iPad to your windows laptop? >> >> >> >> >> Daniel K. Beitz >> Wienner & Gould, P.C. >> 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 >> Rochester, MI 48307 >> Phone: (248) 841-9405 >> Fax: (248) 652-2729 >> dbeitz at wiennergould.com >> >> www.wiennergould.com >> >> This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luis Mendez via BlindLaw >> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 11:17 AM >> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' >> Cc: Luis Mendez >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> Good morning: >> >> I am using JAWS 17 and NV Access, A.K.A. NVDA with a Braille Edge 40, with no additional software other than the required drivers ver each screen reader. However, Dragon still requires bridge software to read back what is on the screen. I am eagerly awaiting further development of Access Bridge. I did have Jay-Say, but the upkeep was not cost effective. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw >> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 10:14 AM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Cc: Tai Tomasi >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> Luis: >> >> Do you need any additional software or scripts to use Dragon with JAWS 17? By NV Access, are you referring to NVDA? >> >> Tai Tomasi, J.D. >> Staff Attorney >> >> >> >> 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 >> Des Moines, Iowa 50309 >> Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 >> FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 >> E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org >> www.driowa.org >> >> Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities >> >> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE >> >> This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luis Mendez via BlindLaw >> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 9:04 AM >> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' >> Cc: Luis Mendez >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> I agree with Elizabeth that as a productivity and reading tool the Ipad is great. However, I encountered more productivity challenges with the Mac Book Pro with both Pages and Word 2016. In the end I reverted to a Windows laptop for some aspects of my work. I also discovered to my delight that Dragon Professional 15 works very well with a braille display using either JAWS 17 or NV Access. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Beitz via BlindLaw >> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:50 PM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Cc: Dan Beitz >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> Question for Elizabeth. How do you get Word documents from your iPad to your computer? Also, do you use a Mack computer as well? Does that work well transferring documents to Word on a Windows computer? >> >> >> >> >> Daniel K. Beitz >> Wienner & Gould, P.C. >> 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 >> Rochester, MI 48307 >> Phone: (248) 841-9405 >> Fax: (248) 652-2729 >> dbeitz at wiennergould.com >> >> www.wiennergould.com >> >> This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki via BlindLaw >> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:40 PM >> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' >> Cc: Michal Nowicki >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> Hi all, >> >> Although I love dictation in iOS, I personally would not want to have to rely on it to draft a memo, brief, or contract. However, a wireless keyboard or a Bluetooth Braille display with a Braille keyboard could make it work. Nevertheless, I don't intend to give up on Windows or my desktop computer anytime soon. Although I do also have a laptop, I use my desktop whenever I can because it is more powerful. >> >> Best, >> >> Michal >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw >> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 10:18 AM >> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> Cc: Elizabeth Rene >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> If I had law school to do all over again, I'd get an iPad or an iPad Pro. I love mine, and do all my work on it. Both Word and Pages work beautifully on it, you can export in both Word and PDF from either app, and Pages takes dictation beautifully. VoiceOver works beautifully for legal research, and lets me read 1000+-page files comfortably. And, as a bonus, you don't have to keep memorizing new key combination commands. And you're not chained to a desk. >> I used JAWS for years and years, and felt like a hostage every time an upgrade to the software was needed. Apple builds speech right into its operating systems. And the KNFB Reader app lets you scan what you can't get online. >> Lastly, if that isn't clear and convincing evidence in the iPads favor, think of the bar review. I recently took the UBE (my second bar exam) using a course called BarMax, taught completely on the iPad, and passed right out of the box. And I could study outside or at Starbucks! >> I rest my case. >> >> Elizabeth M Ren? >> Attorney at Law >> WSBA #10710 >> KCBA #21824 >> rene0373 at gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%40icloud.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40driowa.org >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 20:40:49 -0500 >> From: mrallman116 at gmail.com >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> Message-ID: <0DCA9C87-C8FF-4CA7-942E-58F485526CDF at gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> That is one of the things I really don't like about Word on the iPad. You cannot have more than one document open at once. I do not know about pages >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Oct 17, 2016, at 12:33 PM, Dan Beitz via BlindLaw wrote: >>> >>> Can you have several documents open at one time? How do you switch between them? Are there any limitations that make using Word or pages on the iPad less useful than on a desktop? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Daniel K. Beitz >>> Wienner & Gould, P.C. >>> 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 >>> Rochester, MI 48307 >>> Phone: (248) 841-9405 >>> Fax: (248) 652-2729 >>> dbeitz at wiennergould.com >>> >>> www.wiennergould.com >>> >>> This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached >>> to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are >>> not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email >>> to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, >>> or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to >>> this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, >>> please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning >>> us at (248) 841-9400. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Luis Mendez [mailto:lmendez716 at gmail.com] >>> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 1:24 PM >>> To: Dan Beitz; 'Blind Law Mailing List' >>> Subject: RE: [blindlaw] Information >>> >>> I use ICloud for which there is a Windows App, One Drive and Dropbox, depending on the workflow. I recommend storing documents to be accessed for reading on ICloud since they can be accessed with little effort from within Voice dream. I put my Word documents in One Drive, which makes Word the default app for opening them. I store very large project files on Dropbox. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Dan Beitz [mailto:dbeitz at wiennergould.com] >>> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 11:24 AM >>> To: Blind Law Mailing List >>> Cc: Luis Mendez >>> Subject: RE: [blindlaw] Information >>> >>> How do you get docs from the iPad to your windows laptop? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Daniel K. Beitz >>> Wienner & Gould, P.C. >>> 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 >>> Rochester, MI 48307 >>> Phone: (248) 841-9405 >>> Fax: (248) 652-2729 >>> dbeitz at wiennergould.com >>> >>> www.wiennergould.com >>> >>> This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luis Mendez via BlindLaw >>> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 11:17 AM >>> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' >>> Cc: Luis Mendez >>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >>> >>> Good morning: >>> >>> I am using JAWS 17 and NV Access, A.K.A. NVDA with a Braille Edge 40, with no additional software other than the required drivers ver each screen reader. However, Dragon still requires bridge software to read back what is on the screen. I am eagerly awaiting further development of Access Bridge. I did have Jay-Say, but the upkeep was not cost effective. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw >>> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 10:14 AM >>> To: Blind Law Mailing List >>> Cc: Tai Tomasi >>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >>> >>> Luis: >>> >>> Do you need any additional software or scripts to use Dragon with JAWS 17? By NV Access, are you referring to NVDA? >>> >>> Tai Tomasi, J.D. >>> Staff Attorney >>> >>> >>> >>> 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 >>> Des Moines, Iowa 50309 >>> Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 >>> FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 >>> E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org >>> www.driowa.org >>> >>> Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities >>> >>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE >>> >>> This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luis Mendez via BlindLaw >>> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 9:04 AM >>> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' >>> Cc: Luis Mendez >>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >>> >>> I agree with Elizabeth that as a productivity and reading tool the Ipad is great. However, I encountered more productivity challenges with the Mac Book Pro with both Pages and Word 2016. In the end I reverted to a Windows laptop for some aspects of my work. I also discovered to my delight that Dragon Professional 15 works very well with a braille display using either JAWS 17 or NV Access. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Beitz via BlindLaw >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:50 PM >>> To: Blind Law Mailing List >>> Cc: Dan Beitz >>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >>> >>> Question for Elizabeth. How do you get Word documents from your iPad to your computer? Also, do you use a Mack computer as well? Does that work well transferring documents to Word on a Windows computer? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Daniel K. Beitz >>> Wienner & Gould, P.C. >>> 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 >>> Rochester, MI 48307 >>> Phone: (248) 841-9405 >>> Fax: (248) 652-2729 >>> dbeitz at wiennergould.com >>> >>> www.wiennergould.com >>> >>> This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki via BlindLaw >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:40 PM >>> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' >>> Cc: Michal Nowicki >>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Although I love dictation in iOS, I personally would not want to have to rely on it to draft a memo, brief, or contract. However, a wireless keyboard or a Bluetooth Braille display with a Braille keyboard could make it work. Nevertheless, I don't intend to give up on Windows or my desktop computer anytime soon. Although I do also have a laptop, I use my desktop whenever I can because it is more powerful. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Michal >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 10:18 AM >>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> Cc: Elizabeth Rene >>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >>> >>> If I had law school to do all over again, I'd get an iPad or an iPad Pro. I love mine, and do all my work on it. Both Word and Pages work beautifully on it, you can export in both Word and PDF from either app, and Pages takes dictation beautifully. VoiceOver works beautifully for legal research, and lets me read 1000+-page files comfortably. And, as a bonus, you don't have to keep memorizing new key combination commands. And you're not chained to a desk. >>> I used JAWS for years and years, and felt like a hostage every time an upgrade to the software was needed. Apple builds speech right into its operating systems. And the KNFB Reader app lets you scan what you can't get online. >>> Lastly, if that isn't clear and convincing evidence in the iPads favor, think of the bar review. I recently took the UBE (my second bar exam) using a course called BarMax, taught completely on the iPad, and passed right out of the box. And I could study outside or at Starbucks! >>> I rest my case. >>> >>> Elizabeth M Ren? >>> Attorney at Law >>> WSBA #10710 >>> KCBA #21824 >>> rene0373 at gmail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%40icloud.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40driowa.org >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrallman116%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of BlindLaw Digest, Vol 149, Issue 12 >> ***************************************** >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/anitakeithfoust%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/awildheir%40gmail.com From mrallman116 at gmail.com Thu Oct 20 12:51:24 2016 From: mrallman116 at gmail.com (Melissa Allman) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2016 07:51:24 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Bates stamping Message-ID: <5F1B2544-50A9-48E9-9A96-EE9D3417DD47@gmail.com> Hi all. I was wondering if anybody has developed an easy and fully accessible way to Bates stamp documents for document production in discovery. I'd be doing this with Adobe image files so you really can't easily tell how many pages you have in an Adobe image file with screen readers unless I'm missing something. Thoughts? Sent from my iPad From mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com Sat Oct 22 16:48:45 2016 From: mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com (Marcos Rodrigues) Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2016 16:48:45 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Accessibility of relativity with screen readers Message-ID: Good afternoon: I just started on a document review project using relativity and I am happy to inform you that the program is accessible with screen readers (I am using NVDA and it works very well, so I assume it also works well with jaws). The checkboxes used to tag the documents are easy to use (relativity is an internet explorer based programs) and the documents can be read if you download them to your PC since the software has this option. The only two things I was unable to do are reading the documents on the relativity window and redacting the documents but other than that the program is accessible and friendly to blind users. Regards. Marcos Rodrigues mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Tue Oct 25 20:36:53 2016 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2016 20:36:53 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Vacancy Announcement -- HHS OGC Deputy Chief Counsel Position, San Francisco (Supervisory, GS-15) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: From: fangseattle at googlegroups.com [mailto:fangseattle at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daquiz, Abigail - SOL Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 1:36 PM To: fangseattle at googlegroups.com Subject: [fangs] Vacancy Announcement -- HHS OGC Deputy Chief Counsel Position, San Francisco (Supervisory, GS-15) For folks in the Bay area (or looking to relocate). HHS is seeking a Deputy Chief Counsel for its San Francisco Regional Office. This is a supervisory, GS-15 level position. -- -- You received this message because you are a federal agency attorney and subscribed to the FANGS group. 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Labarre) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2016 14:44:46 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Message from Scott LaBarre, Happy National Greasy Food Day and Last Chance for NFB Colorado Amazing Raffle In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000201d22f00$9feef9b0$dfcced10$@labarrelaw.com> Hey Lawyers and Students: Please see below. Time is running out on the Amazing NFBCO Raffle. While you're at it, enjoy a nice big, double cheeseburger or a huge pile of chili cheese fries! Happy Greasy Food Day to you! Cheers, Scott! From: Lisa Bonderson [mailto:lbonderson at cocenter.org] Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 1:46 PM To: Scott C. LaBarre Subject: Message from Scott LaBarre, Happy National Greasy Food Day and Last Chance for NFB Colorado Amazing Raffle Greetings Friends and Family: As you are undoubtedly aware, today is October 25, 2016, and I send you well wishes on National Greasy Food Day and hope that you celebrate it accordingly. October 25th also means that it is a mere four days until we draw the prizes for this year's Amazing Colorado Raffle brought to you by the National Federation of the Blind of Colorado. Like last year, one lucky person will win $2500, another $1000, and yet another $500. All you need to do is purchase tickets and throw your hat in the running. Tickets cost only $10 for one or get three for $20 or whatever multiple thereof you like. For example, $100 will get you 15 tickets in the raffle. How do you participate? First of all, if you have already participated, we thank you very much, but if you haven't, participating is easy. Please go to the following address and follow the instructions: www.nfbco.org/amazing-colorado-raffle Please note that your last chance to buy these tickets on line is today and tomorrow. We will be closing the online sales by the end of Wednesday, October 26th. Why is this important? I have been a member of the National Federation of the Blind since 1986 when I was fortunate enough to win a national scholarship from the Federation. That assistance and the thirty years of support from the organization have allowed me to live the life I want and become a successful attorney, husband, and father. Without the Federation's positive philosophy and countless positive role models, I would not have the life that I want. How do the funds from this contest help the Federation specifically? Well, we use these funds to operate our college scholarship program, provide Braille Literacy training through our BELL Academies, and issue empowerment grants to blind individuals. Other than the cash prizes, 100 percent of the funds raised go to these programs. Do I have to be present to win? Absolutely not! We will draw the three names Saturday evening, October 29th, at approximately 8:00 pm Mountain as part of our Annual Convention taking place at the Denver Marriott South which is actually located in Loan Tree, Colorado. I thank you in advance for participating in this year's raffle and wish you luck. If you need any help in purchasing tickets, please do not hesitate to email me, slabarre at labarrelaw.com , or call us at 303 504-5979. Good luck and enjoy your greasy food. One day of clogged arteries can't be too bad. Can it? Warmly, Scott LaBarre President, NFB of Colorado P.S. We apologize if you receive this message more than once due to the nature of our email lists. PP.S. If you want us to remove you from the list, please reply to this message with the email address you wish removed. PPP.S. Thanks again! 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This is a full-time position that will report to the Enforcement Manager. Required qualifications: Bachelor's degree in humanities, public relations, social sciences, political science, law or a related field and two years of professional level experience in a public or private organization dealing with investigating employment, housing, public accommodations, contracting or other case investigations related to discrimination; providing civil right trainings; and providing technical expertise to the public. A combination of education, training and work experience may substitute for the baccalaureate degree requirement. This position closes on November 8, 2016 at 4 pm. Click here for more information. The Office for Civil Rights is committed to creating and sustaining an organization free of institutional racism; successful candidates must demonstrate an understanding of the relationship of race, racism, and multiculturalism to their job function and their commitment to creating organizations free of racism. Fair housing videos on Source of Income discrimination and individualized assessments Presentation on Source of Income Discrimination (October 18, 2016 – 13:54): SOCR’s Enforcement Manager Mike Chin explains the City of Seattle’s new Source of Income law, which expands fair housing protections based on renters’ source of income and creates new requirements for landlords. The Source of Income ordinance is now in effect, except for the First in Time provision, which will go into effect January 1, 2017. Presentation on Removing Barriers to Housing: Conducting Individualized Assessments (October 18, 2016 – 1:11:16): SOCR and Seattle’s Office of Housing host a training on HUD guidance regarding the use of conviction records in housing, published in April 2016. The training focuses on the steps housing providers can take to ensure they are compliant with fair housing laws. The video also includes an excellent panel discussion with landlords who use individualized assessments as part of their own screening process for applicants with conviction records. 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apia at dc.gov; aperkins at hamsil.com; apalapres at gmail.com; antoniquewilliams at yahoo.com; annie.wills at Colorado.edu; annie.kaplan at faykaplanlaw.com; annamariasteward at gmail.com; andrew.clark at leclairryan.com; anayar at law.gwu.edu; amy.r.leslie at wv.gov; Amy.b.angrisani at hofstra.edu; amsmallw at swbell.net; amfulfer at uidaho.edu; amcgeetx at aol.com; ali1950 at aol.com; alexbar at alexandriabarva.org; alex.hurder at vanderbilt.edu; albertli_pc at yahoo.com; alan.bayham at azbar.org; Akumaldreams at gmail.com; akill at averycamerlingokill.com; ak5m at virginia.edu; aevans at law.utexas.edu; adminassistant at nativeamericanbar.org; admin at wbadc.org; acarton at uw.edu; ABWLPresident at gmail.com; abwagroup at yahoo.com; abellia at nd.edu; ab139 at uakron.edu; aarmstrong at vermontlaw.edu; aanthony at lockelord.com Subject: Recall: Attorney Vacancies at the U.S. Department of Justice/Announcing the HP/SLIP (txt11615) DOJlawjobs (OARM) would like to recall the message, "Attorney Vacancies at the U.S. Department of Justice/Announcing the HP/SLIP (txt11615)". -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Jobs mailing list Jobs at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Jobs: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/jobs_nfbnet.org/noel.nightingale%40ed.gov From Susan.Kelly at pima.gov Wed Oct 26 20:59:07 2016 From: Susan.Kelly at pima.gov (Susan Kelly) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2016 20:59:07 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Information In-Reply-To: <25309224-1004-45DF-B963-A5D47134C54A@gmail.com> References: , <25309224-1004-45DF-B963-A5D47134C54A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6D071FEE-CE8E-457A-B92A-1F3ED831F524@pima.gov> I know I'm a bit late on this discussion, but I also prefer my iPad Pro for pretty much everything work-related. Our office network (part of the larger county network) does not now, nor has it ever, properly handled JAWS. A lot of that has to do with the security system imposed, without any exceptions, but the fact remains that VoiceOver is the quickest and best way to work. The only drawback in out environment is the fact that I am not part of the secure network (again, due to the refusal to create any ADA allowance in the network security), but e-mail works well for transferring documents and disclosure. Sent from my iPad > On Oct 19, 2016, at 6:58 AM, Anita Keith-Foust via BlindLaw wrote: > > Dear Elizabeth: > > I hope that you are well. > > I have been following this great discussion and it has been extremely informative. It will help me tremendously once I learn how to apply the information. > > How did you learn how to use the equipment? Did you have to experiment until you figured it out? Is there a class that the Apple Stores offer? > > I have an iPad Pro and have stopped using it because I have a Bluetooth keyboard that I use with my iPhone. > > I can't keep my place of where I am typing so I feel like I make a lot of time consuming errors. I was totally blind and some of my sight has come back. I still cannot see well and am classified as legally blind and low vision. I have attempted to learn Braille for the past year and I am slow as molasses on a cold winter morning. How do you manage to keep your productivity up? I need any suggestions that you have. Help! > > Sincerely, > > Anita Keith-Foust > 919-430-1978 > > Sent from my iPhone. Please forgive typos. > >> On Oct 18, 2016, at 1:27 PM, Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw wrote: >> >> Hi Daniel, >> I can send Word documents as attachments to anyone or to a Windows computer mailbox of my own, either in Word or PDF, using the "share" utility in Word on my iPad. I can also send them to Dropbox and retrieve them from there to insert into my emails as attachments from anywhere that I can access Dropbox from the email address for that account. The "hand off" utility in Apple's operating systems should let you switch back and forth between your iOS device and your Mac, so that if you have Word installed on both machines you can start a project on one and finish on the other. I have a Mac, but haven't used this utility because I like working on my iPad the best. >> Elizabeth >> >> >> Elizabeth M René >> Attorney at Law >> WSBA #10710 >> KCBA #21824 >> rene0373 at gmail.com >> >> On Oct 18, 2016, at 5:00 AM, blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org wrote: >> >> Send BlindLaw mailing list submissions to >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> blindlaw-owner at nfbnet.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of BlindLaw digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Information (Luis Mendez) >> 2. Re: Information (Tai Tomasi) >> 3. Re: Information (Luis Mendez) >> 4. Re: Information (Dan Beitz) >> 5. Re: Information (Luis Mendez) >> 6. Re: Information (Dan Beitz) >> 7. Re: Information (mrallman116 at gmail.com) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 10:04:11 -0400 >> From: "Luis Mendez" >> To: "'Blind Law Mailing List'" >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> Message-ID: <052e01d2287f$56f37880$04da6980$@gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >> >> I agree with Elizabeth that as a productivity and reading tool the Ipad is great. However, I encountered more productivity challenges with the Mac Book Pro with both Pages and Word 2016. In the end I reverted to a Windows laptop for some aspects of my work. I also discovered to my delight that Dragon Professional 15 works very well with a braille display using either JAWS 17 or NV Access. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Beitz via BlindLaw >> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:50 PM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Cc: Dan Beitz >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> Question for Elizabeth. How do you get Word documents from your iPad to your computer? Also, do you use a Mack computer as well? Does that work well transferring documents to Word on a Windows computer? >> >> >> >> >> Daniel K. Beitz >> Wienner & Gould, P.C. >> 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 >> Rochester, MI 48307 >> Phone: (248) 841-9405 >> Fax: (248) 652-2729 >> dbeitz at wiennergould.com >> >> www.wiennergould.com >> >> This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki via BlindLaw >> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:40 PM >> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' >> Cc: Michal Nowicki >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> Hi all, >> >> Although I love dictation in iOS, I personally would not want to have to rely on it to draft a memo, brief, or contract. However, a wireless keyboard or a Bluetooth Braille display with a Braille keyboard could make it work. Nevertheless, I don't intend to give up on Windows or my desktop computer anytime soon. Although I do also have a laptop, I use my desktop whenever I can because it is more powerful. >> >> Best, >> >> Michal >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw >> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 10:18 AM >> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> Cc: Elizabeth Rene >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> If I had law school to do all over again, I'd get an iPad or an iPad Pro. I love mine, and do all my work on it. Both Word and Pages work beautifully on it, you can export in both Word and PDF from either app, and Pages takes dictation beautifully. VoiceOver works beautifully for legal research, and lets me read 1000+-page files comfortably. And, as a bonus, you don't have to keep memorizing new key combination commands. And you're not chained to a desk. >> I used JAWS for years and years, and felt like a hostage every time an upgrade to the software was needed. Apple builds speech right into its operating systems. And the KNFB Reader app lets you scan what you can't get online. >> Lastly, if that isn't clear and convincing evidence in the iPads favor, think of the bar review. I recently took the UBE (my second bar exam) using a course called BarMax, taught completely on the iPad, and passed right out of the box. And I could study outside or at Starbucks! >> I rest my case. >> >> Elizabeth M Ren? >> Attorney at Law >> WSBA #10710 >> KCBA #21824 >> rene0373 at gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%40icloud.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 14:13:42 +0000 >> From: Tai Tomasi >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Luis: >> >> Do you need any additional software or scripts to use Dragon with JAWS 17? By NV Access, are you referring to NVDA? >> >> Tai Tomasi, J.D. >> Staff Attorney >> >> >> >> 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 >> Des Moines, Iowa 50309 >> Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 >> FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 >> E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org >> www.driowa.org >> >> Our Mission:? To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities >> >> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE >> >> This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luis Mendez via BlindLaw >> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 9:04 AM >> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' >> Cc: Luis Mendez >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> I agree with Elizabeth that as a productivity and reading tool the Ipad is great. However, I encountered more productivity challenges with the Mac Book Pro with both Pages and Word 2016. In the end I reverted to a Windows laptop for some aspects of my work. I also discovered to my delight that Dragon Professional 15 works very well with a braille display using either JAWS 17 or NV Access. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Beitz via BlindLaw >> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:50 PM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Cc: Dan Beitz >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> Question for Elizabeth. How do you get Word documents from your iPad to your computer? Also, do you use a Mack computer as well? Does that work well transferring documents to Word on a Windows computer? >> >> >> >> >> Daniel K. Beitz >> Wienner & Gould, P.C. >> 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 >> Rochester, MI 48307 >> Phone: (248) 841-9405 >> Fax: (248) 652-2729 >> dbeitz at wiennergould.com >> >> www.wiennergould.com >> >> This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki via BlindLaw >> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:40 PM >> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' >> Cc: Michal Nowicki >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> Hi all, >> >> Although I love dictation in iOS, I personally would not want to have to rely on it to draft a memo, brief, or contract. However, a wireless keyboard or a Bluetooth Braille display with a Braille keyboard could make it work. Nevertheless, I don't intend to give up on Windows or my desktop computer anytime soon. Although I do also have a laptop, I use my desktop whenever I can because it is more powerful. >> >> Best, >> >> Michal >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw >> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 10:18 AM >> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> Cc: Elizabeth Rene >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> If I had law school to do all over again, I'd get an iPad or an iPad Pro. I love mine, and do all my work on it. Both Word and Pages work beautifully on it, you can export in both Word and PDF from either app, and Pages takes dictation beautifully. VoiceOver works beautifully for legal research, and lets me read 1000+-page files comfortably. And, as a bonus, you don't have to keep memorizing new key combination commands. And you're not chained to a desk. >> I used JAWS for years and years, and felt like a hostage every time an upgrade to the software was needed. Apple builds speech right into its operating systems. And the KNFB Reader app lets you scan what you can't get online. >> Lastly, if that isn't clear and convincing evidence in the iPads favor, think of the bar review. I recently took the UBE (my second bar exam) using a course called BarMax, taught completely on the iPad, and passed right out of the box. And I could study outside or at Starbucks! >> I rest my case. >> >> Elizabeth M Ren? >> Attorney at Law >> WSBA #10710 >> KCBA #21824 >> rene0373 at gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%40icloud.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40driowa.org >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 11:16:47 -0400 >> From: "Luis Mendez" >> To: "'Blind Law Mailing List'" >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> Message-ID: <064301d22889$7ace0b80$706a2280$@gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >> >> Good morning: >> >> I am using JAWS 17 and NV Access, A.K.A. NVDA with a Braille Edge 40, with no additional software other than the required drivers ver each screen reader. However, Dragon still requires bridge software to read back what is on the screen. I am eagerly awaiting further development of Access Bridge. I did have Jay-Say, but the upkeep was not cost effective. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw >> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 10:14 AM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Cc: Tai Tomasi >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> Luis: >> >> Do you need any additional software or scripts to use Dragon with JAWS 17? By NV Access, are you referring to NVDA? >> >> Tai Tomasi, J.D. >> Staff Attorney >> >> >> >> 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 >> Des Moines, Iowa 50309 >> Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 >> FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 >> E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org >> www.driowa.org >> >> Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities >> >> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE >> >> This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luis Mendez via BlindLaw >> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 9:04 AM >> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' >> Cc: Luis Mendez >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> I agree with Elizabeth that as a productivity and reading tool the Ipad is great. However, I encountered more productivity challenges with the Mac Book Pro with both Pages and Word 2016. In the end I reverted to a Windows laptop for some aspects of my work. I also discovered to my delight that Dragon Professional 15 works very well with a braille display using either JAWS 17 or NV Access. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Beitz via BlindLaw >> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:50 PM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Cc: Dan Beitz >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> Question for Elizabeth. How do you get Word documents from your iPad to your computer? Also, do you use a Mack computer as well? Does that work well transferring documents to Word on a Windows computer? >> >> >> >> >> Daniel K. Beitz >> Wienner & Gould, P.C. >> 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 >> Rochester, MI 48307 >> Phone: (248) 841-9405 >> Fax: (248) 652-2729 >> dbeitz at wiennergould.com >> >> www.wiennergould.com >> >> This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki via BlindLaw >> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:40 PM >> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' >> Cc: Michal Nowicki >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> Hi all, >> >> Although I love dictation in iOS, I personally would not want to have to rely on it to draft a memo, brief, or contract. However, a wireless keyboard or a Bluetooth Braille display with a Braille keyboard could make it work. Nevertheless, I don't intend to give up on Windows or my desktop computer anytime soon. Although I do also have a laptop, I use my desktop whenever I can because it is more powerful. >> >> Best, >> >> Michal >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw >> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 10:18 AM >> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> Cc: Elizabeth Rene >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> If I had law school to do all over again, I'd get an iPad or an iPad Pro. I love mine, and do all my work on it. Both Word and Pages work beautifully on it, you can export in both Word and PDF from either app, and Pages takes dictation beautifully. VoiceOver works beautifully for legal research, and lets me read 1000+-page files comfortably. And, as a bonus, you don't have to keep memorizing new key combination commands. And you're not chained to a desk. >> I used JAWS for years and years, and felt like a hostage every time an upgrade to the software was needed. Apple builds speech right into its operating systems. And the KNFB Reader app lets you scan what you can't get online. >> Lastly, if that isn't clear and convincing evidence in the iPads favor, think of the bar review. I recently took the UBE (my second bar exam) using a course called BarMax, taught completely on the iPad, and passed right out of the box. And I could study outside or at Starbucks! >> I rest my case. >> >> Elizabeth M Ren? >> Attorney at Law >> WSBA #10710 >> KCBA #21824 >> rene0373 at gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%40icloud.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40driowa.org >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 15:23:44 +0000 >> From: Dan Beitz >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> How do you get docs from the iPad to your windows laptop? >> >> >> >> >> Daniel K. Beitz >> Wienner & Gould, P.C. >> 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 >> Rochester, MI? 48307 >> Phone:? (248) 841-9405 >> Fax:? (248) 652-2729 >> dbeitz at wiennergould.com >> >> www.wiennergould.com >> >> This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached >> to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged.? If you are >> not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email >> to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, >> or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to >> this email is strictly prohibited.? Should you receive this communication in error, >> please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning >> us at (248) 841-9400. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luis Mendez via BlindLaw >> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 11:17 AM >> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' >> Cc: Luis Mendez >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> Good morning: >> >> I am using JAWS 17 and NV Access, A.K.A. NVDA with a Braille Edge 40, with no additional software other than the required drivers ver each screen reader. However, Dragon still requires bridge software to read back what is on the screen. I am eagerly awaiting further development of Access Bridge. I did have Jay-Say, but the upkeep was not cost effective. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw >> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 10:14 AM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Cc: Tai Tomasi >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> Luis: >> >> Do you need any additional software or scripts to use Dragon with JAWS 17? By NV Access, are you referring to NVDA? >> >> Tai Tomasi, J.D. >> Staff Attorney >> >> >> >> 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 >> Des Moines, Iowa 50309 >> Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 >> FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 >> E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org >> www.driowa.org >> >> Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities >> >> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE >> >> This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luis Mendez via BlindLaw >> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 9:04 AM >> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' >> Cc: Luis Mendez >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> I agree with Elizabeth that as a productivity and reading tool the Ipad is great. However, I encountered more productivity challenges with the Mac Book Pro with both Pages and Word 2016. In the end I reverted to a Windows laptop for some aspects of my work. I also discovered to my delight that Dragon Professional 15 works very well with a braille display using either JAWS 17 or NV Access. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Beitz via BlindLaw >> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:50 PM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Cc: Dan Beitz >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> Question for Elizabeth. How do you get Word documents from your iPad to your computer? Also, do you use a Mack computer as well? Does that work well transferring documents to Word on a Windows computer? >> >> >> >> >> Daniel K. Beitz >> Wienner & Gould, P.C. >> 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 >> Rochester, MI 48307 >> Phone: (248) 841-9405 >> Fax: (248) 652-2729 >> dbeitz at wiennergould.com >> >> www.wiennergould.com >> >> This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki via BlindLaw >> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:40 PM >> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' >> Cc: Michal Nowicki >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> Hi all, >> >> Although I love dictation in iOS, I personally would not want to have to rely on it to draft a memo, brief, or contract. However, a wireless keyboard or a Bluetooth Braille display with a Braille keyboard could make it work. Nevertheless, I don't intend to give up on Windows or my desktop computer anytime soon. Although I do also have a laptop, I use my desktop whenever I can because it is more powerful. >> >> Best, >> >> Michal >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw >> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 10:18 AM >> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> Cc: Elizabeth Rene >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> If I had law school to do all over again, I'd get an iPad or an iPad Pro. I love mine, and do all my work on it. Both Word and Pages work beautifully on it, you can export in both Word and PDF from either app, and Pages takes dictation beautifully. VoiceOver works beautifully for legal research, and lets me read 1000+-page files comfortably. And, as a bonus, you don't have to keep memorizing new key combination commands. And you're not chained to a desk. >> I used JAWS for years and years, and felt like a hostage every time an upgrade to the software was needed. Apple builds speech right into its operating systems. And the KNFB Reader app lets you scan what you can't get online. >> Lastly, if that isn't clear and convincing evidence in the iPads favor, think of the bar review. I recently took the UBE (my second bar exam) using a course called BarMax, taught completely on the iPad, and passed right out of the box. And I could study outside or at Starbucks! >> I rest my case. >> >> Elizabeth M Ren? >> Attorney at Law >> WSBA #10710 >> KCBA #21824 >> rene0373 at gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%40icloud.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40driowa.org >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 13:24:15 -0400 >> From: "Luis Mendez" >> To: "'Dan Beitz'" , "'Blind Law Mailing >> List'" >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> Message-ID: <06a401d2289b$49f376a0$ddda63e0$@gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >> >> I use ICloud for which there is a Windows App, One Drive and Dropbox, depending on the workflow. I recommend storing documents to be accessed for reading on ICloud since they can be accessed with little effort from within Voice dream. I put my Word documents in One Drive, which makes Word the default app for opening them. I store very large project files on Dropbox. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dan Beitz [mailto:dbeitz at wiennergould.com] >> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 11:24 AM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Cc: Luis Mendez >> Subject: RE: [blindlaw] Information >> >> How do you get docs from the iPad to your windows laptop? >> >> >> >> >> Daniel K. Beitz >> Wienner & Gould, P.C. >> 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 >> Rochester, MI 48307 >> Phone: (248) 841-9405 >> Fax: (248) 652-2729 >> dbeitz at wiennergould.com >> >> www.wiennergould.com >> >> This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luis Mendez via BlindLaw >> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 11:17 AM >> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' >> Cc: Luis Mendez >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> Good morning: >> >> I am using JAWS 17 and NV Access, A.K.A. NVDA with a Braille Edge 40, with no additional software other than the required drivers ver each screen reader. However, Dragon still requires bridge software to read back what is on the screen. I am eagerly awaiting further development of Access Bridge. I did have Jay-Say, but the upkeep was not cost effective. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw >> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 10:14 AM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Cc: Tai Tomasi >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> Luis: >> >> Do you need any additional software or scripts to use Dragon with JAWS 17? By NV Access, are you referring to NVDA? >> >> Tai Tomasi, J.D. >> Staff Attorney >> >> >> >> 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 >> Des Moines, Iowa 50309 >> Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 >> FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 >> E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org >> www.driowa.org >> >> Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities >> >> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE >> >> This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luis Mendez via BlindLaw >> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 9:04 AM >> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' >> Cc: Luis Mendez >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> I agree with Elizabeth that as a productivity and reading tool the Ipad is great. However, I encountered more productivity challenges with the Mac Book Pro with both Pages and Word 2016. In the end I reverted to a Windows laptop for some aspects of my work. I also discovered to my delight that Dragon Professional 15 works very well with a braille display using either JAWS 17 or NV Access. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Beitz via BlindLaw >> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:50 PM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Cc: Dan Beitz >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> Question for Elizabeth. How do you get Word documents from your iPad to your computer? Also, do you use a Mack computer as well? Does that work well transferring documents to Word on a Windows computer? >> >> >> >> >> Daniel K. Beitz >> Wienner & Gould, P.C. >> 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 >> Rochester, MI 48307 >> Phone: (248) 841-9405 >> Fax: (248) 652-2729 >> dbeitz at wiennergould.com >> >> www.wiennergould.com >> >> This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki via BlindLaw >> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:40 PM >> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' >> Cc: Michal Nowicki >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> Hi all, >> >> Although I love dictation in iOS, I personally would not want to have to rely on it to draft a memo, brief, or contract. However, a wireless keyboard or a Bluetooth Braille display with a Braille keyboard could make it work. Nevertheless, I don't intend to give up on Windows or my desktop computer anytime soon. Although I do also have a laptop, I use my desktop whenever I can because it is more powerful. >> >> Best, >> >> Michal >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw >> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 10:18 AM >> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> Cc: Elizabeth Rene >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> If I had law school to do all over again, I'd get an iPad or an iPad Pro. I love mine, and do all my work on it. Both Word and Pages work beautifully on it, you can export in both Word and PDF from either app, and Pages takes dictation beautifully. VoiceOver works beautifully for legal research, and lets me read 1000+-page files comfortably. And, as a bonus, you don't have to keep memorizing new key combination commands. And you're not chained to a desk. >> I used JAWS for years and years, and felt like a hostage every time an upgrade to the software was needed. Apple builds speech right into its operating systems. And the KNFB Reader app lets you scan what you can't get online. >> Lastly, if that isn't clear and convincing evidence in the iPads favor, think of the bar review. I recently took the UBE (my second bar exam) using a course called BarMax, taught completely on the iPad, and passed right out of the box. And I could study outside or at Starbucks! >> I rest my case. >> >> Elizabeth M Ren? >> Attorney at Law >> WSBA #10710 >> KCBA #21824 >> rene0373 at gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%40icloud.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40driowa.org >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 17:33:58 +0000 >> From: Dan Beitz >> To: Luis Mendez , 'Blind Law Mailing List' >> >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Can you have several documents open at one time? How do you switch between them? Are there any limitations that make using Word or pages on the iPad less useful than on a desktop? >> >> >> >> >> Daniel K. Beitz >> Wienner & Gould, P.C. >> 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 >> Rochester, MI? 48307 >> Phone:? (248) 841-9405 >> Fax:? (248) 652-2729 >> dbeitz at wiennergould.com >> >> www.wiennergould.com >> >> This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached >> to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged.? If you are >> not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email >> to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, >> or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to >> this email is strictly prohibited.? Should you receive this communication in error, >> please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning >> us at (248) 841-9400. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Luis Mendez [mailto:lmendez716 at gmail.com] >> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 1:24 PM >> To: Dan Beitz; 'Blind Law Mailing List' >> Subject: RE: [blindlaw] Information >> >> I use ICloud for which there is a Windows App, One Drive and Dropbox, depending on the workflow. I recommend storing documents to be accessed for reading on ICloud since they can be accessed with little effort from within Voice dream. I put my Word documents in One Drive, which makes Word the default app for opening them. I store very large project files on Dropbox. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dan Beitz [mailto:dbeitz at wiennergould.com] >> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 11:24 AM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Cc: Luis Mendez >> Subject: RE: [blindlaw] Information >> >> How do you get docs from the iPad to your windows laptop? >> >> >> >> >> Daniel K. Beitz >> Wienner & Gould, P.C. >> 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 >> Rochester, MI 48307 >> Phone: (248) 841-9405 >> Fax: (248) 652-2729 >> dbeitz at wiennergould.com >> >> www.wiennergould.com >> >> This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luis Mendez via BlindLaw >> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 11:17 AM >> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' >> Cc: Luis Mendez >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> Good morning: >> >> I am using JAWS 17 and NV Access, A.K.A. NVDA with a Braille Edge 40, with no additional software other than the required drivers ver each screen reader. However, Dragon still requires bridge software to read back what is on the screen. I am eagerly awaiting further development of Access Bridge. I did have Jay-Say, but the upkeep was not cost effective. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw >> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 10:14 AM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Cc: Tai Tomasi >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> Luis: >> >> Do you need any additional software or scripts to use Dragon with JAWS 17? By NV Access, are you referring to NVDA? >> >> Tai Tomasi, J.D. >> Staff Attorney >> >> >> >> 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 >> Des Moines, Iowa 50309 >> Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 >> FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 >> E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org >> www.driowa.org >> >> Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities >> >> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE >> >> This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luis Mendez via BlindLaw >> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 9:04 AM >> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' >> Cc: Luis Mendez >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> I agree with Elizabeth that as a productivity and reading tool the Ipad is great. However, I encountered more productivity challenges with the Mac Book Pro with both Pages and Word 2016. In the end I reverted to a Windows laptop for some aspects of my work. I also discovered to my delight that Dragon Professional 15 works very well with a braille display using either JAWS 17 or NV Access. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Beitz via BlindLaw >> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:50 PM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Cc: Dan Beitz >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> Question for Elizabeth. How do you get Word documents from your iPad to your computer? Also, do you use a Mack computer as well? Does that work well transferring documents to Word on a Windows computer? >> >> >> >> >> Daniel K. Beitz >> Wienner & Gould, P.C. >> 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 >> Rochester, MI 48307 >> Phone: (248) 841-9405 >> Fax: (248) 652-2729 >> dbeitz at wiennergould.com >> >> www.wiennergould.com >> >> This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki via BlindLaw >> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:40 PM >> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' >> Cc: Michal Nowicki >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> Hi all, >> >> Although I love dictation in iOS, I personally would not want to have to rely on it to draft a memo, brief, or contract. However, a wireless keyboard or a Bluetooth Braille display with a Braille keyboard could make it work. Nevertheless, I don't intend to give up on Windows or my desktop computer anytime soon. Although I do also have a laptop, I use my desktop whenever I can because it is more powerful. >> >> Best, >> >> Michal >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw >> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 10:18 AM >> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> Cc: Elizabeth Rene >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> If I had law school to do all over again, I'd get an iPad or an iPad Pro. I love mine, and do all my work on it. Both Word and Pages work beautifully on it, you can export in both Word and PDF from either app, and Pages takes dictation beautifully. VoiceOver works beautifully for legal research, and lets me read 1000+-page files comfortably. And, as a bonus, you don't have to keep memorizing new key combination commands. And you're not chained to a desk. >> I used JAWS for years and years, and felt like a hostage every time an upgrade to the software was needed. Apple builds speech right into its operating systems. And the KNFB Reader app lets you scan what you can't get online. >> Lastly, if that isn't clear and convincing evidence in the iPads favor, think of the bar review. I recently took the UBE (my second bar exam) using a course called BarMax, taught completely on the iPad, and passed right out of the box. And I could study outside or at Starbucks! >> I rest my case. >> >> Elizabeth M Ren? >> Attorney at Law >> WSBA #10710 >> KCBA #21824 >> rene0373 at gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%40icloud.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40driowa.org >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 20:40:49 -0500 >> From: mrallman116 at gmail.com >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> Message-ID: <0DCA9C87-C8FF-4CA7-942E-58F485526CDF at gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> That is one of the things I really don't like about Word on the iPad. You cannot have more than one document open at once. I do not know about pages >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Oct 17, 2016, at 12:33 PM, Dan Beitz via BlindLaw wrote: >>> >>> Can you have several documents open at one time? How do you switch between them? Are there any limitations that make using Word or pages on the iPad less useful than on a desktop? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Daniel K. Beitz >>> Wienner & Gould, P.C. >>> 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 >>> Rochester, MI 48307 >>> Phone: (248) 841-9405 >>> Fax: (248) 652-2729 >>> dbeitz at wiennergould.com >>> >>> www.wiennergould.com >>> >>> This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached >>> to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are >>> not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email >>> to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, >>> or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to >>> this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, >>> please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning >>> us at (248) 841-9400. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Luis Mendez [mailto:lmendez716 at gmail.com] >>> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 1:24 PM >>> To: Dan Beitz; 'Blind Law Mailing List' >>> Subject: RE: [blindlaw] Information >>> >>> I use ICloud for which there is a Windows App, One Drive and Dropbox, depending on the workflow. I recommend storing documents to be accessed for reading on ICloud since they can be accessed with little effort from within Voice dream. I put my Word documents in One Drive, which makes Word the default app for opening them. I store very large project files on Dropbox. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Dan Beitz [mailto:dbeitz at wiennergould.com] >>> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 11:24 AM >>> To: Blind Law Mailing List >>> Cc: Luis Mendez >>> Subject: RE: [blindlaw] Information >>> >>> How do you get docs from the iPad to your windows laptop? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Daniel K. Beitz >>> Wienner & Gould, P.C. >>> 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 >>> Rochester, MI 48307 >>> Phone: (248) 841-9405 >>> Fax: (248) 652-2729 >>> dbeitz at wiennergould.com >>> >>> www.wiennergould.com >>> >>> This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luis Mendez via BlindLaw >>> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 11:17 AM >>> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' >>> Cc: Luis Mendez >>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >>> >>> Good morning: >>> >>> I am using JAWS 17 and NV Access, A.K.A. NVDA with a Braille Edge 40, with no additional software other than the required drivers ver each screen reader. However, Dragon still requires bridge software to read back what is on the screen. I am eagerly awaiting further development of Access Bridge. I did have Jay-Say, but the upkeep was not cost effective. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw >>> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 10:14 AM >>> To: Blind Law Mailing List >>> Cc: Tai Tomasi >>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >>> >>> Luis: >>> >>> Do you need any additional software or scripts to use Dragon with JAWS 17? By NV Access, are you referring to NVDA? >>> >>> Tai Tomasi, J.D. >>> Staff Attorney >>> >>> >>> >>> 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 >>> Des Moines, Iowa 50309 >>> Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 >>> FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 >>> E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org >>> www.driowa.org >>> >>> Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities >>> >>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE >>> >>> This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luis Mendez via BlindLaw >>> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 9:04 AM >>> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' >>> Cc: Luis Mendez >>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >>> >>> I agree with Elizabeth that as a productivity and reading tool the Ipad is great. However, I encountered more productivity challenges with the Mac Book Pro with both Pages and Word 2016. In the end I reverted to a Windows laptop for some aspects of my work. I also discovered to my delight that Dragon Professional 15 works very well with a braille display using either JAWS 17 or NV Access. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Beitz via BlindLaw >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:50 PM >>> To: Blind Law Mailing List >>> Cc: Dan Beitz >>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >>> >>> Question for Elizabeth. How do you get Word documents from your iPad to your computer? Also, do you use a Mack computer as well? Does that work well transferring documents to Word on a Windows computer? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Daniel K. Beitz >>> Wienner & Gould, P.C. >>> 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 >>> Rochester, MI 48307 >>> Phone: (248) 841-9405 >>> Fax: (248) 652-2729 >>> dbeitz at wiennergould.com >>> >>> www.wiennergould.com >>> >>> This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki via BlindLaw >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:40 PM >>> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' >>> Cc: Michal Nowicki >>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Although I love dictation in iOS, I personally would not want to have to rely on it to draft a memo, brief, or contract. However, a wireless keyboard or a Bluetooth Braille display with a Braille keyboard could make it work. Nevertheless, I don't intend to give up on Windows or my desktop computer anytime soon. Although I do also have a laptop, I use my desktop whenever I can because it is more powerful. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Michal >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 10:18 AM >>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> Cc: Elizabeth Rene >>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >>> >>> If I had law school to do all over again, I'd get an iPad or an iPad Pro. I love mine, and do all my work on it. Both Word and Pages work beautifully on it, you can export in both Word and PDF from either app, and Pages takes dictation beautifully. VoiceOver works beautifully for legal research, and lets me read 1000+-page files comfortably. And, as a bonus, you don't have to keep memorizing new key combination commands. And you're not chained to a desk. >>> I used JAWS for years and years, and felt like a hostage every time an upgrade to the software was needed. Apple builds speech right into its operating systems. And the KNFB Reader app lets you scan what you can't get online. >>> Lastly, if that isn't clear and convincing evidence in the iPads favor, think of the bar review. I recently took the UBE (my second bar exam) using a course called BarMax, taught completely on the iPad, and passed right out of the box. And I could study outside or at Starbucks! >>> I rest my case. >>> >>> Elizabeth M Ren? >>> Attorney at Law >>> WSBA #10710 >>> KCBA #21824 >>> rene0373 at gmail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%40icloud.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40driowa.org >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrallman116%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of BlindLaw Digest, Vol 149, Issue 12 >> ***************************************** >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/anitakeithfoust%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/susan.kelly%40pima.gov From Susan.Kelly at pima.gov Wed Oct 26 21:00:44 2016 From: Susan.Kelly at pima.gov (Susan Kelly) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2016 21:00:44 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Information In-Reply-To: <0DCA9C87-C8FF-4CA7-942E-58F485526CDF@gmail.com> References: <3CBCC3AC-A9E1-4790-9FE9-6F36A9DC2C09@gmail.com> <001001d223e6$713896f0$53a9c4d0$@icloud.com> <052e01d2287f$56f37880$04da6980$@gmail.com> <064301d22889$7ace0b80$706a2280$@gmail.com> <06a401d2289b$49f376a0$ddda63e0$@gmail.com> , <0DCA9C87-C8FF-4CA7-942E-58F485526CDF@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7274E7F8-750B-410E-A323-A97DE73BBE61@pima.gov> I have been dealing with that by opening the completed document in One Note, while I work on the in-progress document in Word - makes it fairly easy to tab between screens. Sent from my iPad > On Oct 17, 2016, at 6:42 PM, Melissa Allman via BlindLaw wrote: > > That is one of the things I really don't like about Word on the iPad. You cannot have more than one document open at once. I do not know about pages > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 17, 2016, at 12:33 PM, Dan Beitz via BlindLaw wrote: >> >> Can you have several documents open at one time? How do you switch between them? Are there any limitations that make using Word or pages on the iPad less useful than on a desktop? >> >> >> >> >> Daniel K. Beitz >> Wienner & Gould, P.C. >> 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 >> Rochester, MI 48307 >> Phone: (248) 841-9405 >> Fax: (248) 652-2729 >> dbeitz at wiennergould.com >> >> www.wiennergould.com >> >> This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached >> to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are >> not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email >> to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, >> or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to >> this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, >> please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning >> us at (248) 841-9400. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Luis Mendez [mailto:lmendez716 at gmail.com] >> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 1:24 PM >> To: Dan Beitz; 'Blind Law Mailing List' >> Subject: RE: [blindlaw] Information >> >> I use ICloud for which there is a Windows App, One Drive and Dropbox, depending on the workflow. I recommend storing documents to be accessed for reading on ICloud since they can be accessed with little effort from within Voice dream. I put my Word documents in One Drive, which makes Word the default app for opening them. I store very large project files on Dropbox. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dan Beitz [mailto:dbeitz at wiennergould.com] >> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 11:24 AM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Cc: Luis Mendez >> Subject: RE: [blindlaw] Information >> >> How do you get docs from the iPad to your windows laptop? >> >> >> >> >> Daniel K. Beitz >> Wienner & Gould, P.C. >> 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 >> Rochester, MI 48307 >> Phone: (248) 841-9405 >> Fax: (248) 652-2729 >> dbeitz at wiennergould.com >> >> www.wiennergould.com >> >> This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luis Mendez via BlindLaw >> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 11:17 AM >> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' >> Cc: Luis Mendez >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> Good morning: >> >> I am using JAWS 17 and NV Access, A.K.A. NVDA with a Braille Edge 40, with no additional software other than the required drivers ver each screen reader. However, Dragon still requires bridge software to read back what is on the screen. I am eagerly awaiting further development of Access Bridge. I did have Jay-Say, but the upkeep was not cost effective. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw >> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 10:14 AM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Cc: Tai Tomasi >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> Luis: >> >> Do you need any additional software or scripts to use Dragon with JAWS 17? By NV Access, are you referring to NVDA? >> >> Tai Tomasi, J.D. >> Staff Attorney >> >> >> >> 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 >> Des Moines, Iowa 50309 >> Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 >> FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 >> E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org >> www.driowa.org >> >> Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities >> >> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE >> >> This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Luis Mendez via BlindLaw >> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 9:04 AM >> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' >> Cc: Luis Mendez >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> I agree with Elizabeth that as a productivity and reading tool the Ipad is great. However, I encountered more productivity challenges with the Mac Book Pro with both Pages and Word 2016. In the end I reverted to a Windows laptop for some aspects of my work. I also discovered to my delight that Dragon Professional 15 works very well with a braille display using either JAWS 17 or NV Access. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Beitz via BlindLaw >> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:50 PM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Cc: Dan Beitz >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> Question for Elizabeth. How do you get Word documents from your iPad to your computer? Also, do you use a Mack computer as well? Does that work well transferring documents to Word on a Windows computer? >> >> >> >> >> Daniel K. Beitz >> Wienner & Gould, P.C. >> 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 >> Rochester, MI 48307 >> Phone: (248) 841-9405 >> Fax: (248) 652-2729 >> dbeitz at wiennergould.com >> >> www.wiennergould.com >> >> This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited. Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki via BlindLaw >> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 1:40 PM >> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' >> Cc: Michal Nowicki >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> Hi all, >> >> Although I love dictation in iOS, I personally would not want to have to rely on it to draft a memo, brief, or contract. However, a wireless keyboard or a Bluetooth Braille display with a Braille keyboard could make it work. Nevertheless, I don't intend to give up on Windows or my desktop computer anytime soon. Although I do also have a laptop, I use my desktop whenever I can because it is more powerful. >> >> Best, >> >> Michal >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw >> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 10:18 AM >> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> Cc: Elizabeth Rene >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Information >> >> If I had law school to do all over again, I'd get an iPad or an iPad Pro. I love mine, and do all my work on it. Both Word and Pages work beautifully on it, you can export in both Word and PDF from either app, and Pages takes dictation beautifully. VoiceOver works beautifully for legal research, and lets me read 1000+-page files comfortably. And, as a bonus, you don't have to keep memorizing new key combination commands. And you're not chained to a desk. >> I used JAWS for years and years, and felt like a hostage every time an upgrade to the software was needed. Apple builds speech right into its operating systems. And the KNFB Reader app lets you scan what you can't get online. >> Lastly, if that isn't clear and convincing evidence in the iPads favor, think of the bar review. I recently took the UBE (my second bar exam) using a course called BarMax, taught completely on the iPad, and passed right out of the box. And I could study outside or at Starbucks! >> I rest my case. >> >> Elizabeth M René >> Attorney at Law >> WSBA #10710 >> KCBA #21824 >> rene0373 at gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%40icloud.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40driowa.org >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrallman116%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/susan.kelly%40pima.gov From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com Sat Oct 29 06:59:14 2016 From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2016 07:59:14 +0100 Subject: [blindlaw] Accessibility of relativity with screen readers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Marcos, Thank you for this feedback. Not being able to read the documents in the Relativity Window seems a big draw back. It seems to me that it would be slow to have to download the documents, read them and then locate them again on the system and tag them. Happy to be corrected about this. Kind regards Ger On 10/22/16, Marcos Rodrigues via BlindLaw wrote: > Good afternoon: > > I just started on a document review project using relativity and I am happy > to inform you that the program is accessible with screen readers (I am using > NVDA and it works very well, so I assume it also works well with jaws). > > The checkboxes used to tag the documents are easy to use (relativity is an > internet explorer based programs) and the documents can be read if you > download them to your PC since the software has this option. > > The only two things I was unable to do are reading the documents on the > relativity window and redacting the documents but other than that the > program is accessible and friendly to blind users. > > Regards. > Marcos Rodrigues > mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com > From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com Sat Oct 29 07:02:00 2016 From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2016 08:02:00 +0100 Subject: [blindlaw] Accessibility of Various Discovery and or Document Review Platforms Message-ID: Dear all Over the past few months, there have been a few discussions of the accessibility or otherwise of various discovery or document review platforms. I think it would be worthwhile to compile a survey, to bring our collective knowledge on this together, to establish what platforms have been tried and how they worked. I would welcome views. Kind regards Ger From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com Sat Oct 29 07:11:03 2016 From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2016 08:11:03 +0100 Subject: [blindlaw] Accessibility of InControl Message-ID: Hi all Further to my previous emails, I have just started a document review project using the In Control platform. I am using JAWS as a screen reader. I am happy to report that the software seems to be working well so far. I have set the software to produce the html view of each document for me and can read the documents using the screen reader. Redaction is not required in this project. I will report further, once I have completed this project and notify of what worked here and what didn't. Kind regards Ger From slabarre at labarrelaw.com Mon Oct 31 14:26:54 2016 From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. Labarre) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 08:26:54 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] fascinating story about a case going to the Supreme Court Message-ID: <01a901d23382$d4d30550$7e790ff0$@labarrelaw.com> Greetings everyone, below is a link to an NPR story about a case going to the Supreme Court today for oral arguments. It addresses a school's refusal to allow a girl with CP to bring her service dog to school. The legal issue at hand is whether one must go exclusively through the Individuals With Disabilities Education Act to pursue any kind of discrimination related to a student's education. IDEA has extensive administrative hurtles to jump through and does not offer the same level of legal relief as the ADA and other statutes. With the Court still only at eight members etc, it will be very interesting to see how this case turns out. http://www.npr.org/2016/10/31/499876610/a-girl-and-her-service-dog-head-to-t he-supreme-court Best, Scott http://www.npr.org/2016/10/31/499876610/a-girl-and-her-service-dog-head-to-t he-supreme-court From creativesuccess at cox.net Mon Oct 31 14:45:07 2016 From: creativesuccess at cox.net (Tanner Gers) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2016 07:45:07 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] fascinating story about a case going to the Supreme Court In-Reply-To: <2EUc1u03g2qgo5R01EUfSe> References: <2EUc1u03g2qgo5R01EUfSe> Message-ID: <005d01d23385$5fe732e0$1fb598a0$@cox.net> Thanks for sharing this. Tanner -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Scott C. Labarre via BlindLaw Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 7:27 AM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List'; state-affiliate-leadership-list at nfbnet.org; chapter-presidents at nfbnet.org; 'NFB of Colorado Discussion List' Cc: Scott C. Labarre Subject: [blindlaw] fascinating story about a case going to the Supreme Court Greetings everyone, below is a link to an NPR story about a case going to the Supreme Court today for oral arguments. It addresses a school's refusal to allow a girl with CP to bring her service dog to school. The legal issue at hand is whether one must go exclusively through the Individuals With Disabilities Education Act to pursue any kind of discrimination related to a student's education. IDEA has extensive administrative hurtles to jump through and does not offer the same level of legal relief as the ADA and other statutes. With the Court still only at eight members etc, it will be very interesting to see how this case turns out. http://www.npr.org/2016/10/31/499876610/a-girl-and-her-service-dog-head-to-t he-supreme-court Best, Scott http://www.npr.org/2016/10/31/499876610/a-girl-and-her-service-dog-head-to-t he-supreme-court _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/creativesuccess%40cox. net