From chris.stewart at uky.edu Fri Sep 1 14:18:42 2017 From: chris.stewart at uky.edu (Stewart, Christopher K) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 09:18:42 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Contacting Will Schell Message-ID: Hi Tim, I don't know this person, but a quick bit of research suggests that, as of March of this year, he was with the disability rights section of the FCC. I found a reference to him in the agenda for the Tenbroek Symposium, so maybe someone at NFB headquarters can help. Best, Chris From ttomasi at driowa.org Fri Sep 1 21:20:35 2017 From: ttomasi at driowa.org (Tai Tomasi) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 21:20:35 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR Message-ID: Hello all. I am looking for a program that will monitor a given folder for new PDF files and convert inaccessible PDF files to accessible PDF (PDF/a) or Microsoft Word files. Does anyone know of a program that can do this type of automated batch OCR conversion? Right now, I have to initiate the OCR process with a command for each document and rename the new document to the same filename as the original PDF with a .docx estension. This is not an efficient use of my time. Thanks. Ms. Tai Tomasi, J.D. Pronouns: she/her/hers Staff Attorney [Description: DR%20IA%20LawCenter] 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 Des Moines, Iowa 50309 Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org www.driowa.org Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3845 bytes Desc: image001.jpg URL: From NSingh at cov.com Fri Sep 1 21:28:04 2017 From: NSingh at cov.com (Singh, Nandini) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 21:28:04 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am not sure what program you have now, but I use Omni Page by Nuance, and I can convert 10-30 documents from PDF to Word or text depending on the size all in one go. I have tried to do more documents, but that really slows down things. While the conversion is running in the background, I can still check email, review other documents, etc. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw Sent: Friday, September 1, 2017 5:21 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Tai Tomasi Subject: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR Hello all. I am looking for a program that will monitor a given folder for new PDF files and convert inaccessible PDF files to accessible PDF (PDF/a) or Microsoft Word files. Does anyone know of a program that can do this type of automated batch OCR conversion? Right now, I have to initiate the OCR process with a command for each document and rename the new document to the same filename as the original PDF with a .docx estension. This is not an efficient use of my time. Thanks. Ms. Tai Tomasi, J.D. Pronouns: she/her/hers Staff Attorney [Description: DR%20IA%20LawCenter] 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 Des Moines, Iowa 50309 Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org www.driowa.org Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. From cannona at fireantproductions.com Fri Sep 1 21:50:09 2017 From: cannona at fireantproductions.com (Aaron Cannon) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 16:50:09 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <96B07D08-B034-46DF-8245-88935D0F1CE6@fireantproductions.com> I believe AbbYY Finereader Corporate (not Standard) version has this capability. FineReader also tends to win in accuracy against OmniPage in head-to-head tests. Aaron -- This message was sent from a mobile device > On Sep 1, 2017, at 16:28, Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw wrote: > > I am not sure what program you have now, but I use Omni Page by Nuance, and I can convert 10-30 documents from PDF to Word or text depending on the size all in one go. I have tried to do more documents, but that really slows down things. While the conversion is running in the background, I can still check email, review other documents, etc. > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw > Sent: Friday, September 1, 2017 5:21 PM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Tai Tomasi > Subject: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR > > Hello all. I am looking for a program that will monitor a given folder for new PDF files and convert inaccessible PDF files to accessible PDF (PDF/a) or Microsoft Word files. Does anyone know of a program that can do this type of automated batch OCR conversion? Right now, I have to initiate the OCR process with a command for each document and rename the new document to the same filename as the original PDF with a .docx estension. This is not an efficient use of my time. Thanks. > > > Ms. Tai Tomasi, J.D. > Pronouns: she/her/hers > Staff Attorney > > [Description: DR%20IA%20LawCenter] > > 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 > Des Moines, Iowa 50309 > Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 > FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 > E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org > www.driowa.org > > Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. > > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/cannona%40fireantproductions.com From ttomasi at driowa.org Fri Sep 1 21:58:26 2017 From: ttomasi at driowa.org (Tai Tomasi) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 21:58:26 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR In-Reply-To: <96B07D08-B034-46DF-8245-88935D0F1CE6@fireantproductions.com> References: <96B07D08-B034-46DF-8245-88935D0F1CE6@fireantproductions.com> Message-ID: Thanks. Ms. Tai Tomasi, J.D. Pronouns: she/her/hers Staff Attorney 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 Des Moines, Iowa 50309 Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org www.driowa.org Our Mission:  To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aaron Cannon via BlindLaw Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 4:50 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Aaron Cannon Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR I believe AbbYY Finereader Corporate (not Standard) version has this capability. FineReader also tends to win in accuracy against OmniPage in head-to-head tests. Aaron -- This message was sent from a mobile device > On Sep 1, 2017, at 16:28, Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw wrote: > > I am not sure what program you have now, but I use Omni Page by Nuance, and I can convert 10-30 documents from PDF to Word or text depending on the size all in one go. I have tried to do more documents, but that really slows down things. While the conversion is running in the background, I can still check email, review other documents, etc. > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw > Sent: Friday, September 1, 2017 5:21 PM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Tai Tomasi > Subject: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR > > Hello all. I am looking for a program that will monitor a given folder for new PDF files and convert inaccessible PDF files to accessible PDF (PDF/a) or Microsoft Word files. Does anyone know of a program that can do this type of automated batch OCR conversion? Right now, I have to initiate the OCR process with a command for each document and rename the new document to the same filename as the original PDF with a .docx estension. This is not an efficient use of my time. Thanks. > > > Ms. Tai Tomasi, J.D. > Pronouns: she/her/hers > Staff Attorney > > [Description: DR%20IA%20LawCenter] > > 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 > Des Moines, Iowa 50309 > Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 > FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 > E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org > www.driowa.org > > Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. > > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/cannona%40fireantproductions.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40driowa.org From tim at timeldermusic.com Fri Sep 1 22:58:56 2017 From: tim at timeldermusic.com (tim at timeldermusic.com) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 15:58:56 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Contact for Will Schell In-Reply-To: <00cb01d32284$1d55b520$58011f60$@sbcglobal.net> References: <007501d32280$ef92f420$ceb8dc60$@timeldermusic.com> <00cb01d32284$1d55b520$58011f60$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <00d801d32375$e47fe890$ad7fb9b0$@timeldermusic.com> Our litigation with the hotel chain resolved to the clients' satisfaction. Regards, -----Original Message----- From: Daniel McBride [mailto:dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net] Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 11:08 AM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Contact for Will Schell Tim: I cannot help with locating Will Schell. However, aren't you the attorney involved in the law suit against a major hotel chain's failure to provide reasonable accomodations for disabled employees? If yes, I am curious how that suit is proceeding. Thanks. Daniel McBride Fort Worth -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tim Elder via BlindLaw Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 12:45 PM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Cc: tim at timeldermusic.com Subject: [blindlaw] Contact for Will Schell All, Will Schell is a blind attorney who formerly worked at HHS-OCR. Does anyone on the list know how to reach him now that he has left HHS? Regards, Tim _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dlmlaw%40sbcglobal.net From mrallman116 at gmail.com Fri Sep 1 23:54:50 2017 From: mrallman116 at gmail.com (mrallman116 at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2017 18:54:50 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <526D2F22-3F94-4F37-997B-00D1D29E0049@gmail.com> I am sorry if this is a bit off topic and if this has already been covered on the list, but what do you think does a cleaner job? Omni or Adobe Pro? Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 1, 2017, at 4:28 PM, Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw wrote: > > I am not sure what program you have now, but I use Omni Page by Nuance, and I can convert 10-30 documents from PDF to Word or text depending on the size all in one go. I have tried to do more documents, but that really slows down things. While the conversion is running in the background, I can still check email, review other documents, etc. > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw > Sent: Friday, September 1, 2017 5:21 PM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Tai Tomasi > Subject: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR > > Hello all. I am looking for a program that will monitor a given folder for new PDF files and convert inaccessible PDF files to accessible PDF (PDF/a) or Microsoft Word files. Does anyone know of a program that can do this type of automated batch OCR conversion? Right now, I have to initiate the OCR process with a command for each document and rename the new document to the same filename as the original PDF with a .docx estension. This is not an efficient use of my time. Thanks. > > > Ms. Tai Tomasi, J.D. > Pronouns: she/her/hers > Staff Attorney > > [Description: DR%20IA%20LawCenter] > > 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 > Des Moines, Iowa 50309 > Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 > FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 > E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org > www.driowa.org > > Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. > > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrallman116%40gmail.com From awebb2168 at gmail.com Sat Sep 2 20:50:04 2017 From: awebb2168 at gmail.com (Andrew Webb) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2017 15:50:04 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR In-Reply-To: <96B07D08-B034-46DF-8245-88935D0F1CE6@fireantproductions.com> References: <96B07D08-B034-46DF-8245-88935D0F1CE6@fireantproductions.com> Message-ID: How does Kurzweil 1000 stack up against these other programs? Is it considered obsolete by this point? -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aaron Cannon via BlindLaw Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 4:50 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Aaron Cannon Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR I believe AbbYY Finereader Corporate (not Standard) version has this capability. FineReader also tends to win in accuracy against OmniPage in head-to-head tests. Aaron -- This message was sent from a mobile device > On Sep 1, 2017, at 16:28, Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw wrote: > > I am not sure what program you have now, but I use Omni Page by Nuance, and I can convert 10-30 documents from PDF to Word or text depending on the size all in one go. I have tried to do more documents, but that really slows down things. While the conversion is running in the background, I can still check email, review other documents, etc. > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw > Sent: Friday, September 1, 2017 5:21 PM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Tai Tomasi > Subject: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR > > Hello all. I am looking for a program that will monitor a given folder for new PDF files and convert inaccessible PDF files to accessible PDF (PDF/a) or Microsoft Word files. Does anyone know of a program that can do this type of automated batch OCR conversion? Right now, I have to initiate the OCR process with a command for each document and rename the new document to the same filename as the original PDF with a .docx estension. This is not an efficient use of my time. Thanks. > > > Ms. Tai Tomasi, J.D. > Pronouns: she/her/hers > Staff Attorney > > [Description: DR%20IA%20LawCenter] > > 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 > Des Moines, Iowa 50309 > Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 > FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 > E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org > www.driowa.org > > Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. > > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/cannona%40fireantprodu ctions.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/awebb2168%40gmail.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From cannona at fireantproductions.com Sat Sep 2 20:55:53 2017 From: cannona at fireantproductions.com (Aaron Cannon) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2017 15:55:53 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR In-Reply-To: References: <96B07D08-B034-46DF-8245-88935D0F1CE6@fireantproductions.com> Message-ID: <1709DB5B-7BD4-4C1C-8019-CC99C228DAEE@fireantproductions.com> It looks like K1000 uses the Finereader Engine under the covers, so it should still be pretty good. Aaron -- This message was sent from a mobile device > On Sep 2, 2017, at 15:50, Andrew Webb wrote: > > How does Kurzweil 1000 stack up against these other programs? Is it > considered obsolete by this point? > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aaron > Cannon via BlindLaw > Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 4:50 PM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Aaron Cannon > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR > > I believe AbbYY Finereader Corporate (not Standard) version has this > capability. FineReader also tends to win in accuracy against OmniPage in > head-to-head tests. > > Aaron > > -- > This message was sent from a mobile device > > >> On Sep 1, 2017, at 16:28, Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw > wrote: >> >> I am not sure what program you have now, but I use Omni Page by Nuance, > and I can convert 10-30 documents from PDF to Word or text depending on the > size all in one go. I have tried to do more documents, but that really slows > down things. While the conversion is running in the background, I can still > check email, review other documents, etc. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tai > Tomasi via BlindLaw >> Sent: Friday, September 1, 2017 5:21 PM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Cc: Tai Tomasi >> Subject: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR >> >> Hello all. I am looking for a program that will monitor a given folder for > new PDF files and convert inaccessible PDF files to accessible PDF (PDF/a) > or Microsoft Word files. Does anyone know of a program that can do this type > of automated batch OCR conversion? Right now, I have to initiate the OCR > process with a command for each document and rename the new document to the > same filename as the original PDF with a .docx estension. This is not an > efficient use of my time. Thanks. >> >> >> Ms. Tai Tomasi, J.D. >> Pronouns: she/her/hers >> Staff Attorney >> >> [Description: DR%20IA%20LawCenter] >> >> 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 >> Des Moines, Iowa 50309 >> Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 >> FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 >> E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org >> www.driowa.org >> >> Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans > with disabilities >> >> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE >> >> This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of > Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named > recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client > communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an > intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are > prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from > making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this > e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any > attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any > printouts. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/cannona%40fireantprodu > ctions.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/awebb2168%40gmail.com > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > From awebb2168 at gmail.com Sat Sep 2 21:02:54 2017 From: awebb2168 at gmail.com (Andrew Webb) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2017 16:02:54 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR In-Reply-To: <1709DB5B-7BD4-4C1C-8019-CC99C228DAEE@fireantproductions.com> References: <96B07D08-B034-46DF-8245-88935D0F1CE6@fireantproductions.com> <1709DB5B-7BD4-4C1C-8019-CC99C228DAEE@fireantproductions.com> Message-ID: Thanks. To my knowledge, K1000 does not perform the mass conversion of docs from pdf to accessible format or to Word that people were discussing, unless there is a feature that I have missed. However, just in terms of accuracy I have genrally been happy with it. -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Cannon [mailto:cannona at fireantproductions.com] Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2017 3:56 PM To: Andrew Webb Cc: Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR It looks like K1000 uses the Finereader Engine under the covers, so it should still be pretty good. Aaron -- This message was sent from a mobile device > On Sep 2, 2017, at 15:50, Andrew Webb wrote: > > How does Kurzweil 1000 stack up against these other programs? Is it > considered obsolete by this point? > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aaron > Cannon via BlindLaw > Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 4:50 PM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Aaron Cannon > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR > > I believe AbbYY Finereader Corporate (not Standard) version has this > capability. FineReader also tends to win in accuracy against OmniPage > in head-to-head tests. > > Aaron > > -- > This message was sent from a mobile device > > >> On Sep 1, 2017, at 16:28, Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw > wrote: >> >> I am not sure what program you have now, but I use Omni Page by >> Nuance, > and I can convert 10-30 documents from PDF to Word or text depending > on the size all in one go. I have tried to do more documents, but that > really slows down things. While the conversion is running in the > background, I can still check email, review other documents, etc. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tai > Tomasi via BlindLaw >> Sent: Friday, September 1, 2017 5:21 PM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Cc: Tai Tomasi >> Subject: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR >> >> Hello all. I am looking for a program that will monitor a given >> folder for > new PDF files and convert inaccessible PDF files to accessible PDF > (PDF/a) or Microsoft Word files. Does anyone know of a program that > can do this type of automated batch OCR conversion? Right now, I have > to initiate the OCR process with a command for each document and > rename the new document to the same filename as the original PDF with > a .docx estension. This is not an efficient use of my time. Thanks. >> >> >> Ms. Tai Tomasi, J.D. >> Pronouns: she/her/hers >> Staff Attorney >> >> [Description: DR%20IA%20LawCenter] >> >> 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 >> Des Moines, Iowa 50309 >> Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 >> FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 >> E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org >> www.driowa.org >> >> Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights of >> Iowans > with disabilities >> >> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE >> >> This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm >> of > Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the > named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client > communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than > an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, > you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any > attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If > you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately > and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives > or storage media and destroy any printouts. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/cannona%40firean > tprodu > ctions.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/awebb2168%40gmai > l.com > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > From agtolentino at gmail.com Sat Sep 2 22:08:53 2017 From: agtolentino at gmail.com (Aser Tolentino) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2017 15:08:53 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR In-Reply-To: References: <96B07D08-B034-46DF-8245-88935D0F1CE6@fireantproductions.com> <1709DB5B-7BD4-4C1C-8019-CC99C228DAEE@fireantproductions.com> Message-ID: <790BBA8A-4FF7-4652-94F7-832EE0656D59@gmail.com> K1000 is capable of doing batch conversion through a utility that is installed with the software. Respectfully, Aser Tolentino, Esq. > On Sep 2, 2017, at 14:02, Andrew Webb via BlindLaw wrote: > > Thanks. To my knowledge, K1000 does not perform the mass conversion of docs > from pdf to accessible format or to Word that people were discussing, unless > there is a feature that I have missed. However, just in terms of accuracy I > have genrally been happy with it. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Aaron Cannon [mailto:cannona at fireantproductions.com] > Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2017 3:56 PM > To: Andrew Webb > Cc: Blind Law Mailing List > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR > > It looks like K1000 uses the Finereader Engine under the covers, so it > should still be pretty good. > > Aaron > > -- > This message was sent from a mobile device > > >> On Sep 2, 2017, at 15:50, Andrew Webb wrote: >> >> How does Kurzweil 1000 stack up against these other programs? Is it >> considered obsolete by this point? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aaron >> Cannon via BlindLaw >> Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 4:50 PM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Cc: Aaron Cannon >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR >> >> I believe AbbYY Finereader Corporate (not Standard) version has this >> capability. FineReader also tends to win in accuracy against OmniPage >> in head-to-head tests. >> >> Aaron >> >> -- >> This message was sent from a mobile device >> >> >>> On Sep 1, 2017, at 16:28, Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw >> wrote: >>> >>> I am not sure what program you have now, but I use Omni Page by >>> Nuance, >> and I can convert 10-30 documents from PDF to Word or text depending >> on the size all in one go. I have tried to do more documents, but that >> really slows down things. While the conversion is running in the >> background, I can still check email, review other documents, etc. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tai >> Tomasi via BlindLaw >>> Sent: Friday, September 1, 2017 5:21 PM >>> To: Blind Law Mailing List >>> Cc: Tai Tomasi >>> Subject: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR >>> >>> Hello all. I am looking for a program that will monitor a given >>> folder for >> new PDF files and convert inaccessible PDF files to accessible PDF >> (PDF/a) or Microsoft Word files. Does anyone know of a program that >> can do this type of automated batch OCR conversion? Right now, I have >> to initiate the OCR process with a command for each document and >> rename the new document to the same filename as the original PDF with >> a .docx estension. This is not an efficient use of my time. Thanks. >>> >>> >>> Ms. Tai Tomasi, J.D. >>> Pronouns: she/her/hers >>> Staff Attorney >>> >>> [Description: DR%20IA%20LawCenter] >>> >>> 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 >>> Des Moines, Iowa 50309 >>> Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 >>> FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 >>> E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org >>> www.driowa.org >>> >>> Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights of >>> Iowans >> with disabilities >>> >>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE >>> >>> This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm >>> of >> Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the >> named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client >> communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than >> an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, >> you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any >> attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If >> you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately >> and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives >> or storage media and destroy any printouts. >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/cannona%40firean >> tprodu >> ctions.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/awebb2168%40gmai >> l.com >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/agtolentino%40gmail.com From sy.hoekstra at gmail.com Sat Sep 2 22:12:36 2017 From: sy.hoekstra at gmail.com (sy.hoekstra at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2017 18:12:36 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR In-Reply-To: <790BBA8A-4FF7-4652-94F7-832EE0656D59@gmail.com> References: <96B07D08-B034-46DF-8245-88935D0F1CE6@fireantproductions.com> <1709DB5B-7BD4-4C1C-8019-CC99C228DAEE@fireantproductions.com> <790BBA8A-4FF7-4652-94F7-832EE0656D59@gmail.com> Message-ID: <001601d32438$95e18630$c1a49290$@gmail.com> Is there a link or something you could share explaining how that works? I would certainly like to play around with that. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aser Tolentino via BlindLaw Sent: Saturday, September 2, 2017 6:09 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Aser Tolentino Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR K1000 is capable of doing batch conversion through a utility that is installed with the software. Respectfully, Aser Tolentino, Esq. > On Sep 2, 2017, at 14:02, Andrew Webb via BlindLaw wrote: > > Thanks. To my knowledge, K1000 does not perform the mass conversion of > docs from pdf to accessible format or to Word that people were > discussing, unless there is a feature that I have missed. However, > just in terms of accuracy I have genrally been happy with it. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Aaron Cannon [mailto:cannona at fireantproductions.com] > Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2017 3:56 PM > To: Andrew Webb > Cc: Blind Law Mailing List > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR > > It looks like K1000 uses the Finereader Engine under the covers, so it > should still be pretty good. > > Aaron > > -- > This message was sent from a mobile device > > >> On Sep 2, 2017, at 15:50, Andrew Webb wrote: >> >> How does Kurzweil 1000 stack up against these other programs? Is it >> considered obsolete by this point? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >> Aaron Cannon via BlindLaw >> Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 4:50 PM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Cc: Aaron Cannon >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR >> >> I believe AbbYY Finereader Corporate (not Standard) version has this >> capability. FineReader also tends to win in accuracy against OmniPage >> in head-to-head tests. >> >> Aaron >> >> -- >> This message was sent from a mobile device >> >> >>> On Sep 1, 2017, at 16:28, Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw >> wrote: >>> >>> I am not sure what program you have now, but I use Omni Page by >>> Nuance, >> and I can convert 10-30 documents from PDF to Word or text depending >> on the size all in one go. I have tried to do more documents, but >> that really slows down things. While the conversion is running in >> the background, I can still check email, review other documents, etc. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tai >> Tomasi via BlindLaw >>> Sent: Friday, September 1, 2017 5:21 PM >>> To: Blind Law Mailing List >>> Cc: Tai Tomasi >>> Subject: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR >>> >>> Hello all. I am looking for a program that will monitor a given >>> folder for >> new PDF files and convert inaccessible PDF files to accessible PDF >> (PDF/a) or Microsoft Word files. Does anyone know of a program that >> can do this type of automated batch OCR conversion? Right now, I have >> to initiate the OCR process with a command for each document and >> rename the new document to the same filename as the original PDF with >> a .docx estension. This is not an efficient use of my time. Thanks. >>> >>> >>> Ms. Tai Tomasi, J.D. >>> Pronouns: she/her/hers >>> Staff Attorney >>> >>> [Description: DR%20IA%20LawCenter] >>> >>> 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 >>> Des Moines, Iowa 50309 >>> Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 >>> FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 >>> E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org >>> www.driowa.org >>> >>> Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights of >>> Iowans >> with disabilities >>> >>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE >>> >>> This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law >>> firm of >> Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the >> named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged >> attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by >> anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not >> a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the >> e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or >> attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the >> sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all >> copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >> BlindLaw: >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/cannona%40firea >> n >> tprodu >> ctions.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/awebb2168%40gma >> i >> l.com >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/agtolentino%40gm > ail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sy.hoekstra%40gmail.co m From steve.jacobson at visi.com Sun Sep 3 03:10:22 2017 From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2017 22:10:22 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR In-Reply-To: <1709DB5B-7BD4-4C1C-8019-CC99C228DAEE@fireantproductions.com> References: <96B07D08-B034-46DF-8245-88935D0F1CE6@fireantproductions.com> <1709DB5B-7BD4-4C1C-8019-CC99C228DAEE@fireantproductions.com> Message-ID: <000701d32462$2ea07920$8be16b60$@visi.com> Actually, Kurzweil 1,000 gives one the choice of using the FineReader engine or the Omnipage Engine. The version I have lets one choose between FineReader 11.0 and OmniPage 19.0. Best regards, Steve Jacobson -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aaron Cannon via BlindLaw Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2017 3:56 PM To: Andrew Webb Cc: Aaron Cannon ; Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR It looks like K1000 uses the Finereader Engine under the covers, so it should still be pretty good. Aaron -- This message was sent from a mobile device > On Sep 2, 2017, at 15:50, Andrew Webb wrote: > > How does Kurzweil 1000 stack up against these other programs? Is it > considered obsolete by this point? > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aaron > Cannon via BlindLaw > Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 4:50 PM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Aaron Cannon > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR > > I believe AbbYY Finereader Corporate (not Standard) version has this > capability. FineReader also tends to win in accuracy against OmniPage in > head-to-head tests. > > Aaron > > -- > This message was sent from a mobile device > > >> On Sep 1, 2017, at 16:28, Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw > wrote: >> >> I am not sure what program you have now, but I use Omni Page by Nuance, > and I can convert 10-30 documents from PDF to Word or text depending on the > size all in one go. I have tried to do more documents, but that really slows > down things. While the conversion is running in the background, I can still > check email, review other documents, etc. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tai > Tomasi via BlindLaw >> Sent: Friday, September 1, 2017 5:21 PM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Cc: Tai Tomasi >> Subject: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR >> >> Hello all. I am looking for a program that will monitor a given folder for > new PDF files and convert inaccessible PDF files to accessible PDF (PDF/a) > or Microsoft Word files. Does anyone know of a program that can do this type > of automated batch OCR conversion? Right now, I have to initiate the OCR > process with a command for each document and rename the new document to the > same filename as the original PDF with a .docx estension. This is not an > efficient use of my time. Thanks. >> >> >> Ms. Tai Tomasi, J.D. >> Pronouns: she/her/hers >> Staff Attorney >> >> [Description: DR%20IA%20LawCenter] >> >> 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 >> Des Moines, Iowa 50309 >> Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 >> FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 >> E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org >> www.driowa.org >> >> Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans > with disabilities >> >> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE >> >> This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of > Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named > recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client > communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an > intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are > prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from > making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this > e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any > attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any > printouts. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/cannona%40fireantprodu > ctions.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/awebb2168%40gmail.com > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi. com From agtolentino at gmail.com Sun Sep 3 05:11:35 2017 From: agtolentino at gmail.com (Aser Tolentino) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2017 22:11:35 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR In-Reply-To: <000701d32462$2ea07920$8be16b60$@visi.com> References: <96B07D08-B034-46DF-8245-88935D0F1CE6@fireantproductions.com> <1709DB5B-7BD4-4C1C-8019-CC99C228DAEE@fireantproductions.com> <000701d32462$2ea07920$8be16b60$@visi.com> Message-ID: <024201d32473$1e2b4eb0$5a81ec10$@gmail.com> Hello, Unfortunately, it looks like OmniPage is no longer packaged with K1000 after 14.09. Batch scanning is explained in the manual on Page 63. I've pasted the relevant sections below. Batch Scanning. Batch scanning lets you scan a number of pages at once without recognizing or reading them. Instead, you can store them as image files, which are like snapshots of the original document, then perform the recognition process later. Batch scanning saves time during the actual scanning process, as the system does not recognize each page as it is scanned. Since the recognition process is completely automated, Kurzweil 1000 can perform this step while the system is unattended. To perform a batch scan using menus: 1. Open the Settings menu and choose Scanning. In the tab page that appears, press TAB to go to the Mode option. Use the arrow keys to choose Image Scanning Only, then press ENTER. 2. Place your document on the scanner. Open the Scan menu and choose Start New Scan, or press the F9 key. Instead of scanning to documents that you can read, the system scans to image files. 3. When you have finished scanning to image files, you can perform any other tasks that you wish. You can change settings, read documents, and even leave the Kurzweil 1000 altogether. However, you cannot read the image files until the system has recognized them, as described in the next step. 4. Open the Settings menu and choose Scanning. On the Scanning tab page, press TAB to go to the Mode option. Use the arrow keys to choose Recognize Image Files, then press ENTER. 5. Open the Scan menu and choose Start New Scan, or press the F9 key. The system starts recognizing the image files in the Images folder, one after another. As each image file is recognized, it is deleted. Choose Start New Scan or press F9 again at any time to stop recognition. If you stop recognizing at any point, you should save the current file. You can later reopen the saved file, return to Recognize Image File mode, and begin recognizing again from that point. KOCRUtil for Automatic File Recognition. If you have a multi-core processor on your machine, you can use KOCRUtil to recognize files and files in folders automatically and silently. If the OCR engine can keep the recognized data for the entire document and then convert it, it will attempt to unify its formatting decisions so that the final document is more consistent. Before using KOCRUtil, however, consider the tradeoffs. Corrections, for example, will not be applied to each page. You won't be able to edit or read the document as it is recognized. Bookmarks will not be captured for PDF files. And the resulting document won't be in KES format (though most of the choices will produce output that can be converted to KES by opening them within Kurzweil 1000). To run KOCRUtil: 1. Select a file, a list of files, or a folder in Windows Explorer. 2. Bring up the context menu, and select the appropriate menu item. For a folder, that menu item would be "Recognize Images with Kurzweil." For image files (either TIFF, PDF, JPEG, or PNG), you can pick either "Recognize Images with Kurzweil Automatically", or "Recognize Images with Kurzweil Interactively". When you recognize images automatically, KOCRUtil.exe will run without bringing up a window. It will use current default settings to recognize the selected image files, or to recognize all of the image files found within the selected folder, and then exit. When it exits, you will hear a wave file "KOCRUtil.wav," if that file exists. If you selected a folder and then activated the "Recognize Images with Kurzweil" menu item, KOCRUtil would look for all image files within that folder (but not, note within sub folders). These files would be organized into one or more group. Files are in the same group if their file names are identical except for digits. So, for example, "Image001.tif", "Image2.tif", and "Image43.tif" are all in the same group, but "Imagea3" is not. Groups of image files are sorted by their name, recognized together, and output into one resulting document. Output file names are based on the name of the first image file in a group of image files, along with an extension that is appropriate for the output format. Depending upon settings, the output files can be in the same folder as the image files, or can be sent to a specified folder. The default is for KOCRUtil to use FineReader Engine with English as the only recognition language, creating an RTF file that will be placed in the same folder as the image file or files. To exit KOCRUtil: Press Escape or TAB to the Exit button and press Enter. To change KOCRUtil settings: Either run KOCRUtil.exe without command line arguments, or use the "Recognize Images with Kurzweil Interactively" context menu. This will bring up KOCRUtil, which has a single dialog. The dialog controls are described below in tab order. Where applicable, the mnemonic follows. Image Files group has a text box, ALT+I, where you can specify one or more image files, separated by semicolons. There is also a Browse button which brings up a file open dialog so you can select the desired image files from your system. Output File group has a text box, ALT+O and a Browse button. In the text box you specify the output file. Note that it can be blank, in which case the output file name is constructed using the first image file name. If no path is specified, the source folder will be used, or the default destination folder will be used, depending on that setting (see below). You can also click the Browse button to bring up a file save dialog in which you can specify the output file. Format list box, ALT+O, lets you choose the format of the output file. The list of possible formats changes depending on the recognition engine used. Note: As of October 2016, with a full install of K1000 V14.09 and above the FineReader will be used. Details button, Alt+D brings up the Format Details dialog in which you can change format settings. The dialog contains: a Layout list (Alt+L) where you can opt to Retain Layout, Formatted Text, or Plain Text. Next is the Paper Size list (Alt+P); choose Automatic, A3, A4, A5, Letter, or Legal. The third list is labeled Pictures (Alt+C); choose to Remove Pictures, Low Resolution (for Web), Medium Resolution (for screen), High Resolution (for printing). Four check boxes follow the lists. You can opt to Keep Page Breaks (Alt+G), Keep Line Breaks (Alt+N), Keep Text Color (Alt+T), and Keep Headers and Footers (Alt+H). By default, Kurzweil 1000 keeps Formatted Text for the layout, uses Automatic paper size selection, Removes Pictures, Keeps Page Breaks, Text Color, and Headers and Footers, but does not Keep Line Breaks. These Format Details settings are retained for future sessions until you change them again. Recognition Engine list box, ALT+R. Choose the recognition engine, FineReader Engine or OmniPage Engine. Note: As of October 2016, the OmniPage Engine will no longer be available with a full install of Kurzweil 1000 V14.09 and above. Recognition Languages list view, ALT+L. Check one or more of the recognition languages. The list changes depending on the recognition engine. Note: As of October 2016, with a full install of K1000 V14.09 and above the FineReader language list will be used. Start Recognition button, ALT+S. Use it to start recognition if everything else is set up properly. The next three controls are in a group box labeled Default Destination. Use Source Folder check box, ALT+U. If set, the folder of the image file will be used to specify the default destination folder (i.e., the folder used if none is specified explicitly along with the output file name). Unlabeled text box. This is disabled if Use Source Folder is checked. Otherwise, it allows you to specify a default destination folder. Browse button which will bring up a dialog that allows you to select a default destination folder. Save Defaults button, ALT+V. Use it to save your current settings as default settings. Once you have done this, these are the settings that will be used when you choose to recognize a file or folder automatically. Status, ALT+S is a read-only text box that tells you when recognition of a page is completed and will include recognition hints if you are using FineReader. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson via BlindLaw Sent: Saturday, September 2, 2017 8:10 PM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: Steve Jacobson Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR Actually, Kurzweil 1,000 gives one the choice of using the FineReader engine or the Omnipage Engine. The version I have lets one choose between FineReader 11.0 and OmniPage 19.0. Best regards, Steve Jacobson -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aaron Cannon via BlindLaw Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2017 3:56 PM To: Andrew Webb Cc: Aaron Cannon ; Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR It looks like K1000 uses the Finereader Engine under the covers, so it should still be pretty good. Aaron -- This message was sent from a mobile device > On Sep 2, 2017, at 15:50, Andrew Webb wrote: > > How does Kurzweil 1000 stack up against these other programs? Is it > considered obsolete by this point? > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aaron > Cannon via BlindLaw > Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 4:50 PM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Aaron Cannon > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR > > I believe AbbYY Finereader Corporate (not Standard) version has this > capability. FineReader also tends to win in accuracy against OmniPage > in head-to-head tests. > > Aaron > > -- > This message was sent from a mobile device > > >> On Sep 1, 2017, at 16:28, Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw > wrote: >> >> I am not sure what program you have now, but I use Omni Page by >> Nuance, > and I can convert 10-30 documents from PDF to Word or text depending > on the > size all in one go. I have tried to do more documents, but that really slows > down things. While the conversion is running in the background, I can still > check email, review other documents, etc. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tai > Tomasi via BlindLaw >> Sent: Friday, September 1, 2017 5:21 PM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Cc: Tai Tomasi >> Subject: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR >> >> Hello all. I am looking for a program that will monitor a given >> folder for > new PDF files and convert inaccessible PDF files to accessible PDF > (PDF/a) or Microsoft Word files. Does anyone know of a program that > can do this type > of automated batch OCR conversion? Right now, I have to initiate the > OCR process with a command for each document and rename the new > document to the > same filename as the original PDF with a .docx estension. This is not > an efficient use of my time. Thanks. >> >> >> Ms. Tai Tomasi, J.D. >> Pronouns: she/her/hers >> Staff Attorney >> >> [Description: DR%20IA%20LawCenter] >> >> 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 >> Des Moines, Iowa 50309 >> Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 >> FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 >> E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org >> www.driowa.org >> >> Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights of >> Iowans > with disabilities >> >> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE >> >> This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm >> of > Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the > named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client > communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than > an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, > you are > prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments > or from > making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this > e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, > any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and > destroy any > printouts. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/cannona%40fireantprodu > ctions.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/awebb2168%40gmail.com > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi. com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/agtolentino%40gmail.co m From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com Sun Sep 3 05:53:16 2017 From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier) Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2017 06:53:16 +0100 Subject: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR In-Reply-To: <024201d32473$1e2b4eb0$5a81ec10$@gmail.com> References: <96B07D08-B034-46DF-8245-88935D0F1CE6@fireantproductions.com> <1709DB5B-7BD4-4C1C-8019-CC99C228DAEE@fireantproductions.com> <000701d32462$2ea07920$8be16b60$@visi.com> <024201d32473$1e2b4eb0$5a81ec10$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi all I'd like to set up Omnipage so that I could: 1. Paste say 100 pdfs into a folder; 2. Go away to allow Omnipage to process the documents; and 3. Return to find the 100 pdfs each processed into a text file or word document etc. If this is possible could someone tell me how? Thanks Ger On 9/3/17, Aser Tolentino via BlindLaw wrote: > Hello, > > Unfortunately, it looks like OmniPage is no longer packaged with K1000 > after > 14.09. Batch scanning is explained in the manual on Page 63. I've pasted > the > relevant sections below. > > Batch Scanning. > > Batch scanning lets you scan a number of pages at once without recognizing > or reading them. Instead, you can store them as image files, which are like > snapshots of the original document, then perform the recognition process > later. > > Batch scanning saves time during the actual scanning process, as the system > does not recognize each page as it is scanned. Since the recognition > process > is completely automated, Kurzweil 1000 can perform this step while the > system is unattended. > > To perform a batch scan using menus: > > 1. Open the Settings menu and choose Scanning. In the tab page that > appears, > press TAB to go to the Mode option. Use the arrow keys to choose Image > Scanning Only, then press ENTER. > 2. Place your document on the scanner. Open the Scan menu and choose Start > New Scan, or press the F9 key. Instead of scanning to documents that you > can > read, the system scans to image files. > > 3. When you have finished scanning to image files, you can perform any > other > tasks that you wish. You can change settings, read documents, and even > leave > the Kurzweil 1000 altogether. However, you cannot read the image files > until > the system has recognized them, as described in the next step. > > 4. Open the Settings menu and choose Scanning. On the Scanning tab page, > press TAB to go to the Mode option. Use the arrow keys to choose Recognize > Image Files, then press ENTER. > > 5. Open the Scan menu and choose Start New Scan, or press the F9 key. The > system starts recognizing the image files in the Images folder, one after > another. As each image file is recognized, it is deleted. Choose Start New > Scan or press F9 again at any time to stop recognition. > > If you stop recognizing at any point, you should save the current file. You > can later reopen the saved file, return to Recognize Image File mode, and > begin recognizing again from that point. > > KOCRUtil for Automatic File Recognition. > > If you have a multi-core processor on your machine, you can use KOCRUtil to > recognize files and files in folders automatically and silently. > > If the OCR engine can keep the recognized data for the entire document and > then convert it, it will attempt to unify its formatting decisions so that > the final document is more consistent. > > Before using KOCRUtil, however, consider the tradeoffs. Corrections, for > example, will not be applied to each page. You won't be able to edit or > read > the document as it is recognized. Bookmarks will not be captured for PDF > files. And the resulting document won't be in KES format (though most of > the > choices will produce output that can be converted to KES by opening them > within Kurzweil 1000). > > To run KOCRUtil: > > 1. Select a file, a list of files, or a folder in Windows Explorer. > > 2. Bring up the context menu, and select the appropriate menu item. For a > folder, that menu item would be "Recognize Images with Kurzweil." For image > files (either TIFF, PDF, JPEG, or PNG), you can pick either "Recognize > Images with Kurzweil Automatically", or "Recognize Images with Kurzweil > Interactively". > > When you recognize images automatically, KOCRUtil.exe will run without > bringing up a window. It will use current default settings to recognize the > selected image files, or to recognize all of the image files found within > the selected folder, and then exit. When it exits, you will hear a wave > file > "KOCRUtil.wav," if that file exists. > > If you selected a folder and then activated the "Recognize Images with > Kurzweil" menu item, KOCRUtil would look for all image files within that > folder (but not, note within sub folders). These files would be organized > into one or more group. Files are in the same group if their file names are > identical except for digits. So, for example, "Image001.tif", "Image2.tif", > and "Image43.tif" are all in the same group, but "Imagea3" is not. Groups > of > image files are sorted by their name, recognized together, and output into > one resulting document. > > Output file names are based on the name of the first image file in a group > of image files, along with an extension that is appropriate for the output > format. Depending upon settings, the output files can be in the same folder > as the image files, or can be sent to a specified folder. > > The default is for KOCRUtil to use FineReader Engine with English as the > only recognition language, creating an RTF file that will be placed in the > same folder as the image file or files. > > To exit KOCRUtil: > > Press Escape or TAB to the Exit button and press Enter. > > To change KOCRUtil settings: > > Either run KOCRUtil.exe without command line arguments, or use the > "Recognize Images with Kurzweil Interactively" context menu. This will > bring > up KOCRUtil, which has a single dialog. > > The dialog controls are described below in tab order. Where applicable, the > mnemonic follows. > > Image Files group has a text box, ALT+I, where you can specify one or more > image files, separated by semicolons. There is also a Browse button which > brings up a file open dialog so you can select the desired image files from > your system. > > Output File group has a text box, ALT+O and a Browse button. In the text > box > you specify the output file. Note that it can be blank, in which case the > output file name is constructed using the first image file name. If no path > is specified, the source folder will be used, or the default destination > folder will be used, depending on that setting (see below). You can also > click the Browse button to bring up a file save dialog in which you can > specify the output file. > > Format list box, ALT+O, lets you choose the format of the output file. The > list of possible formats changes depending on the recognition engine used. > > Note: As of October 2016, with a full install of K1000 V14.09 and above the > FineReader will be used. > > > Details button, Alt+D brings up the Format Details dialog in which you can > change format settings. The dialog contains: a Layout list (Alt+L) where > you > can opt to Retain Layout, Formatted Text, or Plain Text. Next is the Paper > Size list (Alt+P); choose Automatic, A3, A4, A5, Letter, or Legal. The > third > list is labeled Pictures (Alt+C); choose to Remove Pictures, Low Resolution > (for Web), Medium Resolution (for screen), High Resolution (for printing). > Four check boxes follow the lists. You can opt to Keep Page Breaks (Alt+G), > Keep Line Breaks (Alt+N), Keep Text Color (Alt+T), and Keep Headers and > Footers (Alt+H). By default, Kurzweil 1000 keeps Formatted Text for the > layout, uses Automatic paper size selection, Removes Pictures, Keeps Page > Breaks, Text Color, and Headers and Footers, but does not Keep Line Breaks. > These Format Details settings are retained for future sessions until you > change them again. > > Recognition Engine list box, ALT+R. Choose the recognition engine, > FineReader Engine or OmniPage Engine. > Note: As of October 2016, the OmniPage Engine will no longer be available > with a full install of Kurzweil 1000 V14.09 and above. > > Recognition Languages list view, ALT+L. Check one or more of the > recognition > languages. The list changes depending on the recognition engine. > Note: As of October 2016, with a full install of K1000 V14.09 and above the > FineReader language list will be used. > > > Start Recognition button, ALT+S. Use it to start recognition if everything > else is set up properly. > > The next three controls are in a group box labeled Default Destination. > > Use Source Folder check box, ALT+U. If set, the folder of the image file > will be used to specify the default destination folder (i.e., the folder > used if none is specified explicitly along with the output file name). > > Unlabeled text box. This is disabled if Use Source Folder is checked. > Otherwise, it allows you to specify a default destination folder. > Browse button which will bring up a dialog that allows you to select a > default destination folder. > > Save Defaults button, ALT+V. Use it to save your current settings as > default > settings. Once you have done this, these are the settings that will be used > when you choose to recognize a file or folder automatically. > Status, ALT+S is a read-only text box that tells you when recognition of a > page is completed and will include recognition hints if you are using > FineReader. > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve > Jacobson via BlindLaw > Sent: Saturday, September 2, 2017 8:10 PM > To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' > Cc: Steve Jacobson > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR > > Actually, Kurzweil 1,000 gives one the choice of using the FineReader > engine > or the Omnipage Engine. The version I have lets one choose between > FineReader 11.0 and OmniPage 19.0. > > Best regards, > > Steve Jacobson > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aaron > Cannon via BlindLaw > Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2017 3:56 PM > To: Andrew Webb > Cc: Aaron Cannon ; Blind Law Mailing List > > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR > > It looks like K1000 uses the Finereader Engine under the covers, so it > should still be pretty good. > > Aaron > > -- > This message was sent from a mobile device > > >> On Sep 2, 2017, at 15:50, Andrew Webb wrote: >> >> How does Kurzweil 1000 stack up against these other programs? Is it >> considered obsolete by this point? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aaron >> Cannon via BlindLaw >> Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 4:50 PM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Cc: Aaron Cannon >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR >> >> I believe AbbYY Finereader Corporate (not Standard) version has this >> capability. FineReader also tends to win in accuracy against OmniPage >> in head-to-head tests. >> >> Aaron >> >> -- >> This message was sent from a mobile device >> >> >>> On Sep 1, 2017, at 16:28, Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw >> wrote: >>> >>> I am not sure what program you have now, but I use Omni Page by >>> Nuance, >> and I can convert 10-30 documents from PDF to Word or text depending >> on > the >> size all in one go. I have tried to do more documents, but that really > slows >> down things. While the conversion is running in the background, I can > still >> check email, review other documents, etc. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tai >> Tomasi via BlindLaw >>> Sent: Friday, September 1, 2017 5:21 PM >>> To: Blind Law Mailing List >>> Cc: Tai Tomasi >>> Subject: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR >>> >>> Hello all. I am looking for a program that will monitor a given >>> folder > for >> new PDF files and convert inaccessible PDF files to accessible PDF >> (PDF/a) or Microsoft Word files. Does anyone know of a program that >> can do this > type >> of automated batch OCR conversion? Right now, I have to initiate the >> OCR process with a command for each document and rename the new >> document to > the >> same filename as the original PDF with a .docx estension. This is not >> an efficient use of my time. Thanks. >>> >>> >>> Ms. Tai Tomasi, J.D. >>> Pronouns: she/her/hers >>> Staff Attorney >>> >>> [Description: DR%20IA%20LawCenter] >>> >>> 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 >>> Des Moines, Iowa 50309 >>> Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 >>> FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 >>> E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org >>> www.driowa.org >>> >>> Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights of >>> Iowans >> with disabilities >>> >>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE >>> >>> This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm >>> of >> Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the >> named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client >> communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than >> an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, >> you > are >> prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments >> or > from >> making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this >> e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, >> any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and >> destroy > any >> printouts. >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >>> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/cannona%40fireantprodu >> ctions.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/awebb2168%40gmail.com >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi. > com > > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/agtolentino%40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com > From sy.hoekstra at gmail.com Sun Sep 3 19:52:24 2017 From: sy.hoekstra at gmail.com (sy.hoekstra at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2017 15:52:24 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR In-Reply-To: References: <96B07D08-B034-46DF-8245-88935D0F1CE6@fireantproductions.com> <1709DB5B-7BD4-4C1C-8019-CC99C228DAEE@fireantproductions.com> <000701d32462$2ea07920$8be16b60$@visi.com> <024201d32473$1e2b4eb0$5a81ec10$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <001801d324ee$2a55f890$7f01e9b0$@gmail.com> Yeah, sorry, this is also what I would like to know. I read batch scanning before and thought we were talking about batch OCR conversion. It would seem like batch OCR conversion was doable with current tech. I just don't know how. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw Sent: Sunday, September 3, 2017 1:53 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Gerard Sadlier Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR Hi all I'd like to set up Omnipage so that I could: 1. Paste say 100 pdfs into a folder; 2. Go away to allow Omnipage to process the documents; and 3. Return to find the 100 pdfs each processed into a text file or word document etc. If this is possible could someone tell me how? Thanks Ger On 9/3/17, Aser Tolentino via BlindLaw wrote: > Hello, > > Unfortunately, it looks like OmniPage is no longer packaged with K1000 > after 14.09. Batch scanning is explained in the manual on Page 63. > I've pasted the relevant sections below. > > Batch Scanning. > > Batch scanning lets you scan a number of pages at once without > recognizing or reading them. Instead, you can store them as image > files, which are like snapshots of the original document, then perform > the recognition process later. > > Batch scanning saves time during the actual scanning process, as the > system does not recognize each page as it is scanned. Since the > recognition process is completely automated, Kurzweil 1000 can perform > this step while the system is unattended. > > To perform a batch scan using menus: > > 1. Open the Settings menu and choose Scanning. In the tab page that > appears, press TAB to go to the Mode option. Use the arrow keys to > choose Image Scanning Only, then press ENTER. > 2. Place your document on the scanner. Open the Scan menu and choose > Start New Scan, or press the F9 key. Instead of scanning to documents > that you can read, the system scans to image files. > > 3. When you have finished scanning to image files, you can perform any > other tasks that you wish. You can change settings, read documents, > and even leave the Kurzweil 1000 altogether. However, you cannot read > the image files until the system has recognized them, as described in > the next step. > > 4. Open the Settings menu and choose Scanning. On the Scanning tab > page, press TAB to go to the Mode option. Use the arrow keys to choose > Recognize Image Files, then press ENTER. > > 5. Open the Scan menu and choose Start New Scan, or press the F9 key. > The system starts recognizing the image files in the Images folder, > one after another. As each image file is recognized, it is deleted. > Choose Start New Scan or press F9 again at any time to stop recognition. > > If you stop recognizing at any point, you should save the current > file. You can later reopen the saved file, return to Recognize Image > File mode, and begin recognizing again from that point. > > KOCRUtil for Automatic File Recognition. > > If you have a multi-core processor on your machine, you can use > KOCRUtil to recognize files and files in folders automatically and silently. > > If the OCR engine can keep the recognized data for the entire document > and then convert it, it will attempt to unify its formatting decisions > so that the final document is more consistent. > > Before using KOCRUtil, however, consider the tradeoffs. Corrections, > for example, will not be applied to each page. You won't be able to > edit or read the document as it is recognized. Bookmarks will not be > captured for PDF files. And the resulting document won't be in KES > format (though most of the choices will produce output that can be > converted to KES by opening them within Kurzweil 1000). > > To run KOCRUtil: > > 1. Select a file, a list of files, or a folder in Windows Explorer. > > 2. Bring up the context menu, and select the appropriate menu item. > For a folder, that menu item would be "Recognize Images with > Kurzweil." For image files (either TIFF, PDF, JPEG, or PNG), you can > pick either "Recognize Images with Kurzweil Automatically", or > "Recognize Images with Kurzweil Interactively". > > When you recognize images automatically, KOCRUtil.exe will run without > bringing up a window. It will use current default settings to > recognize the selected image files, or to recognize all of the image > files found within the selected folder, and then exit. When it exits, > you will hear a wave file "KOCRUtil.wav," if that file exists. > > If you selected a folder and then activated the "Recognize Images with > Kurzweil" menu item, KOCRUtil would look for all image files within > that folder (but not, note within sub folders). These files would be > organized into one or more group. Files are in the same group if their > file names are identical except for digits. So, for example, > "Image001.tif", "Image2.tif", and "Image43.tif" are all in the same > group, but "Imagea3" is not. Groups of image files are sorted by their > name, recognized together, and output into one resulting document. > > Output file names are based on the name of the first image file in a > group of image files, along with an extension that is appropriate for > the output format. Depending upon settings, the output files can be in > the same folder as the image files, or can be sent to a specified folder. > > The default is for KOCRUtil to use FineReader Engine with English as > the only recognition language, creating an RTF file that will be > placed in the same folder as the image file or files. > > To exit KOCRUtil: > > Press Escape or TAB to the Exit button and press Enter. > > To change KOCRUtil settings: > > Either run KOCRUtil.exe without command line arguments, or use the > "Recognize Images with Kurzweil Interactively" context menu. This will > bring up KOCRUtil, which has a single dialog. > > The dialog controls are described below in tab order. Where > applicable, the mnemonic follows. > > Image Files group has a text box, ALT+I, where you can specify one or > more image files, separated by semicolons. There is also a Browse > button which brings up a file open dialog so you can select the > desired image files from your system. > > Output File group has a text box, ALT+O and a Browse button. In the > text box you specify the output file. Note that it can be blank, in > which case the output file name is constructed using the first image > file name. If no path is specified, the source folder will be used, or > the default destination folder will be used, depending on that setting > (see below). You can also click the Browse button to bring up a file > save dialog in which you can specify the output file. > > Format list box, ALT+O, lets you choose the format of the output file. > The list of possible formats changes depending on the recognition engine used. > > Note: As of October 2016, with a full install of K1000 V14.09 and > above the FineReader will be used. > > > Details button, Alt+D brings up the Format Details dialog in which you > can change format settings. The dialog contains: a Layout list (Alt+L) > where you can opt to Retain Layout, Formatted Text, or Plain Text. > Next is the Paper Size list (Alt+P); choose Automatic, A3, A4, A5, > Letter, or Legal. The third list is labeled Pictures (Alt+C); choose > to Remove Pictures, Low Resolution (for Web), Medium Resolution (for > screen), High Resolution (for printing). > Four check boxes follow the lists. You can opt to Keep Page Breaks > (Alt+G), Keep Line Breaks (Alt+N), Keep Text Color (Alt+T), and Keep > Headers and Footers (Alt+H). By default, Kurzweil 1000 keeps Formatted > Text for the layout, uses Automatic paper size selection, Removes > Pictures, Keeps Page Breaks, Text Color, and Headers and Footers, but does not Keep Line Breaks. > These Format Details settings are retained for future sessions until > you change them again. > > Recognition Engine list box, ALT+R. Choose the recognition engine, > FineReader Engine or OmniPage Engine. > Note: As of October 2016, the OmniPage Engine will no longer be > available with a full install of Kurzweil 1000 V14.09 and above. > > Recognition Languages list view, ALT+L. Check one or more of the > recognition languages. The list changes depending on the recognition > engine. > Note: As of October 2016, with a full install of K1000 V14.09 and > above the FineReader language list will be used. > > > Start Recognition button, ALT+S. Use it to start recognition if > everything else is set up properly. > > The next three controls are in a group box labeled Default Destination. > > Use Source Folder check box, ALT+U. If set, the folder of the image > file will be used to specify the default destination folder (i.e., the > folder used if none is specified explicitly along with the output file name). > > Unlabeled text box. This is disabled if Use Source Folder is checked. > Otherwise, it allows you to specify a default destination folder. > Browse button which will bring up a dialog that allows you to select a > default destination folder. > > Save Defaults button, ALT+V. Use it to save your current settings as > default settings. Once you have done this, these are the settings that > will be used when you choose to recognize a file or folder > automatically. > Status, ALT+S is a read-only text box that tells you when recognition > of a page is completed and will include recognition hints if you are > using FineReader. > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve > Jacobson via BlindLaw > Sent: Saturday, September 2, 2017 8:10 PM > To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' > Cc: Steve Jacobson > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR > > Actually, Kurzweil 1,000 gives one the choice of using the FineReader > engine or the Omnipage Engine. The version I have lets one choose > between FineReader 11.0 and OmniPage 19.0. > > Best regards, > > Steve Jacobson > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aaron > Cannon via BlindLaw > Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2017 3:56 PM > To: Andrew Webb > Cc: Aaron Cannon ; Blind Law Mailing > List > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR > > It looks like K1000 uses the Finereader Engine under the covers, so it > should still be pretty good. > > Aaron > > -- > This message was sent from a mobile device > > >> On Sep 2, 2017, at 15:50, Andrew Webb wrote: >> >> How does Kurzweil 1000 stack up against these other programs? Is it >> considered obsolete by this point? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >> Aaron Cannon via BlindLaw >> Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 4:50 PM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Cc: Aaron Cannon >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR >> >> I believe AbbYY Finereader Corporate (not Standard) version has this >> capability. FineReader also tends to win in accuracy against OmniPage >> in head-to-head tests. >> >> Aaron >> >> -- >> This message was sent from a mobile device >> >> >>> On Sep 1, 2017, at 16:28, Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw >> wrote: >>> >>> I am not sure what program you have now, but I use Omni Page by >>> Nuance, >> and I can convert 10-30 documents from PDF to Word or text depending >> on > the >> size all in one go. I have tried to do more documents, but that >> really > slows >> down things. While the conversion is running in the background, I >> can > still >> check email, review other documents, etc. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tai >> Tomasi via BlindLaw >>> Sent: Friday, September 1, 2017 5:21 PM >>> To: Blind Law Mailing List >>> Cc: Tai Tomasi >>> Subject: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR >>> >>> Hello all. I am looking for a program that will monitor a given >>> folder > for >> new PDF files and convert inaccessible PDF files to accessible PDF >> (PDF/a) or Microsoft Word files. Does anyone know of a program that >> can do this > type >> of automated batch OCR conversion? Right now, I have to initiate the >> OCR process with a command for each document and rename the new >> document to > the >> same filename as the original PDF with a .docx estension. This is not >> an efficient use of my time. Thanks. >>> >>> >>> Ms. Tai Tomasi, J.D. >>> Pronouns: she/her/hers >>> Staff Attorney >>> >>> [Description: DR%20IA%20LawCenter] >>> >>> 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 >>> Des Moines, Iowa 50309 >>> Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 >>> FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 >>> E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org >>> www.driowa.org >>> >>> Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights of >>> Iowans >> with disabilities >>> >>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE >>> >>> This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law >>> firm of >> Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the >> named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged >> attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by >> anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not >> a named recipient, you > are >> prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments >> or > from >> making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received >> this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the >> e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage >> media and destroy > any >> printouts. >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >> BlindLaw: >>> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/cannona%40firean > tprodu >> ctions.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/awebb2168%40gmai > l.com >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi. > com > > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/agtolentino%40gm > ail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%4 > 0gmail.com > _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sy.hoekstra%40gmail.co m From agtolentino at gmail.com Sun Sep 3 21:35:43 2017 From: agtolentino at gmail.com (Aser Tolentino) Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2017 14:35:43 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR In-Reply-To: <001801d324ee$2a55f890$7f01e9b0$@gmail.com> References: <96B07D08-B034-46DF-8245-88935D0F1CE6@fireantproductions.com> <1709DB5B-7BD4-4C1C-8019-CC99C228DAEE@fireantproductions.com> <000701d32462$2ea07920$8be16b60$@visi.com> <024201d32473$1e2b4eb0$5a81ec10$@gmail.com> <001801d324ee$2a55f890$7f01e9b0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <007701d324fc$994e4b40$cbeae1c0$@gmail.com> The process works the same for PDFs as it does for images. Put the PDFs you want to OCR in a folder, highlight that folder and bring up the context menu and select "Recognize Images with Kurzweil." If you want more control, select the "Recognize Images with Kurzweil Interactively," option to set what kind of file it produces. Mine defaults to RTF. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of sy.hoekstra--- via BlindLaw Sent: Sunday, September 3, 2017 12:52 PM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: sy.hoekstra at gmail.com Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR Yeah, sorry, this is also what I would like to know. I read batch scanning before and thought we were talking about batch OCR conversion. It would seem like batch OCR conversion was doable with current tech. I just don't know how. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw Sent: Sunday, September 3, 2017 1:53 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Gerard Sadlier Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR Hi all I'd like to set up Omnipage so that I could: 1. Paste say 100 pdfs into a folder; 2. Go away to allow Omnipage to process the documents; and 3. Return to find the 100 pdfs each processed into a text file or word document etc. If this is possible could someone tell me how? Thanks Ger On 9/3/17, Aser Tolentino via BlindLaw wrote: > Hello, > > Unfortunately, it looks like OmniPage is no longer packaged with K1000 > after 14.09. Batch scanning is explained in the manual on Page 63. > I've pasted the relevant sections below. > > Batch Scanning. > > Batch scanning lets you scan a number of pages at once without > recognizing or reading them. Instead, you can store them as image > files, which are like snapshots of the original document, then perform > the recognition process later. > > Batch scanning saves time during the actual scanning process, as the > system does not recognize each page as it is scanned. Since the > recognition process is completely automated, Kurzweil 1000 can perform > this step while the system is unattended. > > To perform a batch scan using menus: > > 1. Open the Settings menu and choose Scanning. In the tab page that > appears, press TAB to go to the Mode option. Use the arrow keys to > choose Image Scanning Only, then press ENTER. > 2. Place your document on the scanner. Open the Scan menu and choose > Start New Scan, or press the F9 key. Instead of scanning to documents > that you can read, the system scans to image files. > > 3. When you have finished scanning to image files, you can perform any > other tasks that you wish. You can change settings, read documents, > and even leave the Kurzweil 1000 altogether. However, you cannot read > the image files until the system has recognized them, as described in > the next step. > > 4. Open the Settings menu and choose Scanning. On the Scanning tab > page, press TAB to go to the Mode option. Use the arrow keys to choose > Recognize Image Files, then press ENTER. > > 5. Open the Scan menu and choose Start New Scan, or press the F9 key. > The system starts recognizing the image files in the Images folder, > one after another. As each image file is recognized, it is deleted. > Choose Start New Scan or press F9 again at any time to stop recognition. > > If you stop recognizing at any point, you should save the current > file. You can later reopen the saved file, return to Recognize Image > File mode, and begin recognizing again from that point. > > KOCRUtil for Automatic File Recognition. > > If you have a multi-core processor on your machine, you can use > KOCRUtil to recognize files and files in folders automatically and silently. > > If the OCR engine can keep the recognized data for the entire document > and then convert it, it will attempt to unify its formatting decisions > so that the final document is more consistent. > > Before using KOCRUtil, however, consider the tradeoffs. Corrections, > for example, will not be applied to each page. You won't be able to > edit or read the document as it is recognized. Bookmarks will not be > captured for PDF files. And the resulting document won't be in KES > format (though most of the choices will produce output that can be > converted to KES by opening them within Kurzweil 1000). > > To run KOCRUtil: > > 1. Select a file, a list of files, or a folder in Windows Explorer. > > 2. Bring up the context menu, and select the appropriate menu item. > For a folder, that menu item would be "Recognize Images with > Kurzweil." For image files (either TIFF, PDF, JPEG, or PNG), you can > pick either "Recognize Images with Kurzweil Automatically", or > "Recognize Images with Kurzweil Interactively". > > When you recognize images automatically, KOCRUtil.exe will run without > bringing up a window. It will use current default settings to > recognize the selected image files, or to recognize all of the image > files found within the selected folder, and then exit. When it exits, > you will hear a wave file "KOCRUtil.wav," if that file exists. > > If you selected a folder and then activated the "Recognize Images with > Kurzweil" menu item, KOCRUtil would look for all image files within > that folder (but not, note within sub folders). These files would be > organized into one or more group. Files are in the same group if their > file names are identical except for digits. So, for example, > "Image001.tif", "Image2.tif", and "Image43.tif" are all in the same > group, but "Imagea3" is not. Groups of image files are sorted by their > name, recognized together, and output into one resulting document. > > Output file names are based on the name of the first image file in a > group of image files, along with an extension that is appropriate for > the output format. Depending upon settings, the output files can be in > the same folder as the image files, or can be sent to a specified folder. > > The default is for KOCRUtil to use FineReader Engine with English as > the only recognition language, creating an RTF file that will be > placed in the same folder as the image file or files. > > To exit KOCRUtil: > > Press Escape or TAB to the Exit button and press Enter. > > To change KOCRUtil settings: > > Either run KOCRUtil.exe without command line arguments, or use the > "Recognize Images with Kurzweil Interactively" context menu. This will > bring up KOCRUtil, which has a single dialog. > > The dialog controls are described below in tab order. Where > applicable, the mnemonic follows. > > Image Files group has a text box, ALT+I, where you can specify one or > more image files, separated by semicolons. There is also a Browse > button which brings up a file open dialog so you can select the > desired image files from your system. > > Output File group has a text box, ALT+O and a Browse button. In the > text box you specify the output file. Note that it can be blank, in > which case the output file name is constructed using the first image > file name. If no path is specified, the source folder will be used, or > the default destination folder will be used, depending on that setting > (see below). You can also click the Browse button to bring up a file > save dialog in which you can specify the output file. > > Format list box, ALT+O, lets you choose the format of the output file. > The list of possible formats changes depending on the recognition > engine used. > > Note: As of October 2016, with a full install of K1000 V14.09 and > above the FineReader will be used. > > > Details button, Alt+D brings up the Format Details dialog in which you > can change format settings. The dialog contains: a Layout list (Alt+L) > where you can opt to Retain Layout, Formatted Text, or Plain Text. > Next is the Paper Size list (Alt+P); choose Automatic, A3, A4, A5, > Letter, or Legal. The third list is labeled Pictures (Alt+C); choose > to Remove Pictures, Low Resolution (for Web), Medium Resolution (for > screen), High Resolution (for printing). > Four check boxes follow the lists. You can opt to Keep Page Breaks > (Alt+G), Keep Line Breaks (Alt+N), Keep Text Color (Alt+T), and Keep > Headers and Footers (Alt+H). By default, Kurzweil 1000 keeps Formatted > Text for the layout, uses Automatic paper size selection, Removes > Pictures, Keeps Page Breaks, Text Color, and Headers and Footers, but > does not Keep Line Breaks. > These Format Details settings are retained for future sessions until > you change them again. > > Recognition Engine list box, ALT+R. Choose the recognition engine, > FineReader Engine or OmniPage Engine. > Note: As of October 2016, the OmniPage Engine will no longer be > available with a full install of Kurzweil 1000 V14.09 and above. > > Recognition Languages list view, ALT+L. Check one or more of the > recognition languages. The list changes depending on the recognition > engine. > Note: As of October 2016, with a full install of K1000 V14.09 and > above the FineReader language list will be used. > > > Start Recognition button, ALT+S. Use it to start recognition if > everything else is set up properly. > > The next three controls are in a group box labeled Default Destination. > > Use Source Folder check box, ALT+U. If set, the folder of the image > file will be used to specify the default destination folder (i.e., the > folder used if none is specified explicitly along with the output file name). > > Unlabeled text box. This is disabled if Use Source Folder is checked. > Otherwise, it allows you to specify a default destination folder. > Browse button which will bring up a dialog that allows you to select a > default destination folder. > > Save Defaults button, ALT+V. Use it to save your current settings as > default settings. Once you have done this, these are the settings that > will be used when you choose to recognize a file or folder > automatically. > Status, ALT+S is a read-only text box that tells you when recognition > of a page is completed and will include recognition hints if you are > using FineReader. > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve > Jacobson via BlindLaw > Sent: Saturday, September 2, 2017 8:10 PM > To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' > Cc: Steve Jacobson > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR > > Actually, Kurzweil 1,000 gives one the choice of using the FineReader > engine or the Omnipage Engine. The version I have lets one choose > between FineReader 11.0 and OmniPage 19.0. > > Best regards, > > Steve Jacobson > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aaron > Cannon via BlindLaw > Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2017 3:56 PM > To: Andrew Webb > Cc: Aaron Cannon ; Blind Law Mailing > List > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR > > It looks like K1000 uses the Finereader Engine under the covers, so it > should still be pretty good. > > Aaron > > -- > This message was sent from a mobile device > > >> On Sep 2, 2017, at 15:50, Andrew Webb wrote: >> >> How does Kurzweil 1000 stack up against these other programs? Is it >> considered obsolete by this point? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >> Aaron Cannon via BlindLaw >> Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 4:50 PM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Cc: Aaron Cannon >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR >> >> I believe AbbYY Finereader Corporate (not Standard) version has this >> capability. FineReader also tends to win in accuracy against OmniPage >> in head-to-head tests. >> >> Aaron >> >> -- >> This message was sent from a mobile device >> >> >>> On Sep 1, 2017, at 16:28, Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw >> wrote: >>> >>> I am not sure what program you have now, but I use Omni Page by >>> Nuance, >> and I can convert 10-30 documents from PDF to Word or text depending >> on > the >> size all in one go. I have tried to do more documents, but that >> really > slows >> down things. While the conversion is running in the background, I >> can > still >> check email, review other documents, etc. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tai >> Tomasi via BlindLaw >>> Sent: Friday, September 1, 2017 5:21 PM >>> To: Blind Law Mailing List >>> Cc: Tai Tomasi >>> Subject: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR >>> >>> Hello all. I am looking for a program that will monitor a given >>> folder > for >> new PDF files and convert inaccessible PDF files to accessible PDF >> (PDF/a) or Microsoft Word files. Does anyone know of a program that >> can do this > type >> of automated batch OCR conversion? Right now, I have to initiate the >> OCR process with a command for each document and rename the new >> document to > the >> same filename as the original PDF with a .docx estension. This is not >> an efficient use of my time. Thanks. >>> >>> >>> Ms. Tai Tomasi, J.D. >>> Pronouns: she/her/hers >>> Staff Attorney >>> >>> [Description: DR%20IA%20LawCenter] >>> >>> 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 >>> Des Moines, Iowa 50309 >>> Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 >>> FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 >>> E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org >>> www.driowa.org >>> >>> Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights of >>> Iowans >> with disabilities >>> >>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE >>> >>> This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law >>> firm of >> Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the >> named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged >> attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by >> anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not >> a named recipient, you > are >> prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments >> or > from >> making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received >> this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the >> e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage >> media and destroy > any >> printouts. >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >> BlindLaw: >>> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/cannona%40firean > tprodu >> ctions.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/awebb2168%40gmai > l.com >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi. > com > > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/agtolentino%40gm > ail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%4 > 0gmail.com > _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sy.hoekstra%40gmail.co m _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/agtolentino%40gmail.co m From ttomasi at driowa.org Tue Sep 5 14:31:10 2017 From: ttomasi at driowa.org (Tai Tomasi) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 14:31:10 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR In-Reply-To: References: <96B07D08-B034-46DF-8245-88935D0F1CE6@fireantproductions.com> <1709DB5B-7BD4-4C1C-8019-CC99C228DAEE@fireantproductions.com> <000701d32462$2ea07920$8be16b60$@visi.com> <024201d32473$1e2b4eb0$5a81ec10$@gmail.com> Message-ID: This is similar to what I am looking to do. I am hoping that, as documents come into my office in inaccessible formats, they can be scanned to a common folder from which ABBYY FineReader can create accessible copies automatically. I will check out FineReader corporate as suggested in a previous message. Ms. Tai Tomasi, J.D. Pronouns: she/her/hers Staff Attorney 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 Des Moines, Iowa 50309 Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org www.driowa.org Our Mission:  To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2017 12:53 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Gerard Sadlier Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR Hi all I'd like to set up Omnipage so that I could: 1. Paste say 100 pdfs into a folder; 2. Go away to allow Omnipage to process the documents; and 3. Return to find the 100 pdfs each processed into a text file or word document etc. If this is possible could someone tell me how? Thanks Ger On 9/3/17, Aser Tolentino via BlindLaw wrote: > Hello, > > Unfortunately, it looks like OmniPage is no longer packaged with K1000 > after 14.09. Batch scanning is explained in the manual on Page 63. > I've pasted the relevant sections below. > > Batch Scanning. > > Batch scanning lets you scan a number of pages at once without > recognizing or reading them. Instead, you can store them as image > files, which are like snapshots of the original document, then perform > the recognition process later. > > Batch scanning saves time during the actual scanning process, as the > system does not recognize each page as it is scanned. Since the > recognition process is completely automated, Kurzweil 1000 can perform > this step while the system is unattended. > > To perform a batch scan using menus: > > 1. Open the Settings menu and choose Scanning. In the tab page that > appears, press TAB to go to the Mode option. Use the arrow keys to > choose Image Scanning Only, then press ENTER. > 2. Place your document on the scanner. Open the Scan menu and choose > Start New Scan, or press the F9 key. Instead of scanning to documents > that you can read, the system scans to image files. > > 3. When you have finished scanning to image files, you can perform any > other tasks that you wish. You can change settings, read documents, > and even leave the Kurzweil 1000 altogether. However, you cannot read > the image files until the system has recognized them, as described in > the next step. > > 4. Open the Settings menu and choose Scanning. On the Scanning tab > page, press TAB to go to the Mode option. Use the arrow keys to choose > Recognize Image Files, then press ENTER. > > 5. Open the Scan menu and choose Start New Scan, or press the F9 key. > The system starts recognizing the image files in the Images folder, > one after another. As each image file is recognized, it is deleted. > Choose Start New Scan or press F9 again at any time to stop recognition. > > If you stop recognizing at any point, you should save the current > file. You can later reopen the saved file, return to Recognize Image > File mode, and begin recognizing again from that point. > > KOCRUtil for Automatic File Recognition. > > If you have a multi-core processor on your machine, you can use > KOCRUtil to recognize files and files in folders automatically and silently. > > If the OCR engine can keep the recognized data for the entire document > and then convert it, it will attempt to unify its formatting decisions > so that the final document is more consistent. > > Before using KOCRUtil, however, consider the tradeoffs. Corrections, > for example, will not be applied to each page. You won't be able to > edit or read the document as it is recognized. Bookmarks will not be > captured for PDF files. And the resulting document won't be in KES > format (though most of the choices will produce output that can be > converted to KES by opening them within Kurzweil 1000). > > To run KOCRUtil: > > 1. Select a file, a list of files, or a folder in Windows Explorer. > > 2. Bring up the context menu, and select the appropriate menu item. > For a folder, that menu item would be "Recognize Images with > Kurzweil." For image files (either TIFF, PDF, JPEG, or PNG), you can > pick either "Recognize Images with Kurzweil Automatically", or > "Recognize Images with Kurzweil Interactively". > > When you recognize images automatically, KOCRUtil.exe will run without > bringing up a window. It will use current default settings to > recognize the selected image files, or to recognize all of the image > files found within the selected folder, and then exit. When it exits, > you will hear a wave file "KOCRUtil.wav," if that file exists. > > If you selected a folder and then activated the "Recognize Images with > Kurzweil" menu item, KOCRUtil would look for all image files within > that folder (but not, note within sub folders). These files would be > organized into one or more group. Files are in the same group if their > file names are identical except for digits. So, for example, > "Image001.tif", "Image2.tif", and "Image43.tif" are all in the same > group, but "Imagea3" is not. Groups of image files are sorted by their > name, recognized together, and output into one resulting document. > > Output file names are based on the name of the first image file in a > group of image files, along with an extension that is appropriate for > the output format. Depending upon settings, the output files can be in > the same folder as the image files, or can be sent to a specified folder. > > The default is for KOCRUtil to use FineReader Engine with English as > the only recognition language, creating an RTF file that will be > placed in the same folder as the image file or files. > > To exit KOCRUtil: > > Press Escape or TAB to the Exit button and press Enter. > > To change KOCRUtil settings: > > Either run KOCRUtil.exe without command line arguments, or use the > "Recognize Images with Kurzweil Interactively" context menu. This will > bring up KOCRUtil, which has a single dialog. > > The dialog controls are described below in tab order. Where > applicable, the mnemonic follows. > > Image Files group has a text box, ALT+I, where you can specify one or > more image files, separated by semicolons. There is also a Browse > button which brings up a file open dialog so you can select the > desired image files from your system. > > Output File group has a text box, ALT+O and a Browse button. In the > text box you specify the output file. Note that it can be blank, in > which case the output file name is constructed using the first image > file name. If no path is specified, the source folder will be used, or > the default destination folder will be used, depending on that setting > (see below). You can also click the Browse button to bring up a file > save dialog in which you can specify the output file. > > Format list box, ALT+O, lets you choose the format of the output file. > The list of possible formats changes depending on the recognition engine used. > > Note: As of October 2016, with a full install of K1000 V14.09 and > above the FineReader will be used. > > > Details button, Alt+D brings up the Format Details dialog in which you > can change format settings. The dialog contains: a Layout list (Alt+L) > where you can opt to Retain Layout, Formatted Text, or Plain Text. > Next is the Paper Size list (Alt+P); choose Automatic, A3, A4, A5, > Letter, or Legal. The third list is labeled Pictures (Alt+C); choose > to Remove Pictures, Low Resolution (for Web), Medium Resolution (for > screen), High Resolution (for printing). > Four check boxes follow the lists. You can opt to Keep Page Breaks > (Alt+G), Keep Line Breaks (Alt+N), Keep Text Color (Alt+T), and Keep > Headers and Footers (Alt+H). By default, Kurzweil 1000 keeps Formatted > Text for the layout, uses Automatic paper size selection, Removes > Pictures, Keeps Page Breaks, Text Color, and Headers and Footers, but does not Keep Line Breaks. > These Format Details settings are retained for future sessions until > you change them again. > > Recognition Engine list box, ALT+R. Choose the recognition engine, > FineReader Engine or OmniPage Engine. > Note: As of October 2016, the OmniPage Engine will no longer be > available with a full install of Kurzweil 1000 V14.09 and above. > > Recognition Languages list view, ALT+L. Check one or more of the > recognition languages. The list changes depending on the recognition > engine. > Note: As of October 2016, with a full install of K1000 V14.09 and > above the FineReader language list will be used. > > > Start Recognition button, ALT+S. Use it to start recognition if > everything else is set up properly. > > The next three controls are in a group box labeled Default Destination. > > Use Source Folder check box, ALT+U. If set, the folder of the image > file will be used to specify the default destination folder (i.e., the > folder used if none is specified explicitly along with the output file name). > > Unlabeled text box. This is disabled if Use Source Folder is checked. > Otherwise, it allows you to specify a default destination folder. > Browse button which will bring up a dialog that allows you to select a > default destination folder. > > Save Defaults button, ALT+V. Use it to save your current settings as > default settings. Once you have done this, these are the settings that > will be used when you choose to recognize a file or folder > automatically. > Status, ALT+S is a read-only text box that tells you when recognition > of a page is completed and will include recognition hints if you are > using FineReader. > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve > Jacobson via BlindLaw > Sent: Saturday, September 2, 2017 8:10 PM > To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' > Cc: Steve Jacobson > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR > > Actually, Kurzweil 1,000 gives one the choice of using the FineReader > engine or the Omnipage Engine. The version I have lets one choose > between FineReader 11.0 and OmniPage 19.0. > > Best regards, > > Steve Jacobson > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aaron > Cannon via BlindLaw > Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2017 3:56 PM > To: Andrew Webb > Cc: Aaron Cannon ; Blind Law Mailing > List > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR > > It looks like K1000 uses the Finereader Engine under the covers, so it > should still be pretty good. > > Aaron > > -- > This message was sent from a mobile device > > >> On Sep 2, 2017, at 15:50, Andrew Webb wrote: >> >> How does Kurzweil 1000 stack up against these other programs? Is it >> considered obsolete by this point? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >> Aaron Cannon via BlindLaw >> Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 4:50 PM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Cc: Aaron Cannon >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR >> >> I believe AbbYY Finereader Corporate (not Standard) version has this >> capability. FineReader also tends to win in accuracy against OmniPage >> in head-to-head tests. >> >> Aaron >> >> -- >> This message was sent from a mobile device >> >> >>> On Sep 1, 2017, at 16:28, Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw >> wrote: >>> >>> I am not sure what program you have now, but I use Omni Page by >>> Nuance, >> and I can convert 10-30 documents from PDF to Word or text depending >> on > the >> size all in one go. I have tried to do more documents, but that >> really > slows >> down things. While the conversion is running in the background, I >> can > still >> check email, review other documents, etc. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tai >> Tomasi via BlindLaw >>> Sent: Friday, September 1, 2017 5:21 PM >>> To: Blind Law Mailing List >>> Cc: Tai Tomasi >>> Subject: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR >>> >>> Hello all. I am looking for a program that will monitor a given >>> folder > for >> new PDF files and convert inaccessible PDF files to accessible PDF >> (PDF/a) or Microsoft Word files. Does anyone know of a program that >> can do this > type >> of automated batch OCR conversion? Right now, I have to initiate the >> OCR process with a command for each document and rename the new >> document to > the >> same filename as the original PDF with a .docx estension. This is not >> an efficient use of my time. Thanks. >>> >>> >>> Ms. Tai Tomasi, J.D. >>> Pronouns: she/her/hers >>> Staff Attorney >>> >>> [Description: DR%20IA%20LawCenter] >>> >>> 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 >>> Des Moines, Iowa 50309 >>> Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 >>> FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 >>> E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org >>> www.driowa.org >>> >>> Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights of >>> Iowans >> with disabilities >>> >>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE >>> >>> This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law >>> firm of >> Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the >> named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged >> attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by >> anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not >> a named recipient, you > are >> prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments >> or > from >> making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received >> this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the >> e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage >> media and destroy > any >> printouts. >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >> BlindLaw: >>> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/cannona%40firean > tprodu >> ctions.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/awebb2168%40gmai > l.com >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi. > com > > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/agtolentino%40gm > ail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%4 > 0gmail.com > _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40driowa.org From ttomasi at driowa.org Tue Sep 5 14:32:24 2017 From: ttomasi at driowa.org (Tai Tomasi) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 14:32:24 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR In-Reply-To: <024201d32473$1e2b4eb0$5a81ec10$@gmail.com> References: <96B07D08-B034-46DF-8245-88935D0F1CE6@fireantproductions.com> <1709DB5B-7BD4-4C1C-8019-CC99C228DAEE@fireantproductions.com> <000701d32462$2ea07920$8be16b60$@visi.com> <024201d32473$1e2b4eb0$5a81ec10$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I am hoping for something more than mere batch scans and saving of images. I would like the batch scans to preserve the original PDFs and make Word copies of those documents, or at the very least to make the original PDF documents into PDF/a (accessible PDF) files. Ms. Tai Tomasi, J.D. Pronouns: she/her/hers Staff Attorney 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 Des Moines, Iowa 50309 Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org www.driowa.org Our Mission:  To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aser Tolentino via BlindLaw Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2017 12:12 AM To: steve.jacobson at visi.com; 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: Aser Tolentino Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR Hello, Unfortunately, it looks like OmniPage is no longer packaged with K1000 after 14.09. Batch scanning is explained in the manual on Page 63. I've pasted the relevant sections below. Batch Scanning. Batch scanning lets you scan a number of pages at once without recognizing or reading them. Instead, you can store them as image files, which are like snapshots of the original document, then perform the recognition process later. Batch scanning saves time during the actual scanning process, as the system does not recognize each page as it is scanned. Since the recognition process is completely automated, Kurzweil 1000 can perform this step while the system is unattended. To perform a batch scan using menus: 1. Open the Settings menu and choose Scanning. In the tab page that appears, press TAB to go to the Mode option. Use the arrow keys to choose Image Scanning Only, then press ENTER. 2. Place your document on the scanner. Open the Scan menu and choose Start New Scan, or press the F9 key. Instead of scanning to documents that you can read, the system scans to image files. 3. When you have finished scanning to image files, you can perform any other tasks that you wish. You can change settings, read documents, and even leave the Kurzweil 1000 altogether. However, you cannot read the image files until the system has recognized them, as described in the next step. 4. Open the Settings menu and choose Scanning. On the Scanning tab page, press TAB to go to the Mode option. Use the arrow keys to choose Recognize Image Files, then press ENTER. 5. Open the Scan menu and choose Start New Scan, or press the F9 key. The system starts recognizing the image files in the Images folder, one after another. As each image file is recognized, it is deleted. Choose Start New Scan or press F9 again at any time to stop recognition. If you stop recognizing at any point, you should save the current file. You can later reopen the saved file, return to Recognize Image File mode, and begin recognizing again from that point. KOCRUtil for Automatic File Recognition. If you have a multi-core processor on your machine, you can use KOCRUtil to recognize files and files in folders automatically and silently. If the OCR engine can keep the recognized data for the entire document and then convert it, it will attempt to unify its formatting decisions so that the final document is more consistent. Before using KOCRUtil, however, consider the tradeoffs. Corrections, for example, will not be applied to each page. You won't be able to edit or read the document as it is recognized. Bookmarks will not be captured for PDF files. And the resulting document won't be in KES format (though most of the choices will produce output that can be converted to KES by opening them within Kurzweil 1000). To run KOCRUtil: 1. Select a file, a list of files, or a folder in Windows Explorer. 2. Bring up the context menu, and select the appropriate menu item. For a folder, that menu item would be "Recognize Images with Kurzweil." For image files (either TIFF, PDF, JPEG, or PNG), you can pick either "Recognize Images with Kurzweil Automatically", or "Recognize Images with Kurzweil Interactively". When you recognize images automatically, KOCRUtil.exe will run without bringing up a window. It will use current default settings to recognize the selected image files, or to recognize all of the image files found within the selected folder, and then exit. When it exits, you will hear a wave file "KOCRUtil.wav," if that file exists. If you selected a folder and then activated the "Recognize Images with Kurzweil" menu item, KOCRUtil would look for all image files within that folder (but not, note within sub folders). These files would be organized into one or more group. Files are in the same group if their file names are identical except for digits. So, for example, "Image001.tif", "Image2.tif", and "Image43.tif" are all in the same group, but "Imagea3" is not. Groups of image files are sorted by their name, recognized together, and output into one resulting document. Output file names are based on the name of the first image file in a group of image files, along with an extension that is appropriate for the output format. Depending upon settings, the output files can be in the same folder as the image files, or can be sent to a specified folder. The default is for KOCRUtil to use FineReader Engine with English as the only recognition language, creating an RTF file that will be placed in the same folder as the image file or files. To exit KOCRUtil: Press Escape or TAB to the Exit button and press Enter. To change KOCRUtil settings: Either run KOCRUtil.exe without command line arguments, or use the "Recognize Images with Kurzweil Interactively" context menu. This will bring up KOCRUtil, which has a single dialog. The dialog controls are described below in tab order. Where applicable, the mnemonic follows. Image Files group has a text box, ALT+I, where you can specify one or more image files, separated by semicolons. There is also a Browse button which brings up a file open dialog so you can select the desired image files from your system. Output File group has a text box, ALT+O and a Browse button. In the text box you specify the output file. Note that it can be blank, in which case the output file name is constructed using the first image file name. If no path is specified, the source folder will be used, or the default destination folder will be used, depending on that setting (see below). You can also click the Browse button to bring up a file save dialog in which you can specify the output file. Format list box, ALT+O, lets you choose the format of the output file. The list of possible formats changes depending on the recognition engine used. Note: As of October 2016, with a full install of K1000 V14.09 and above the FineReader will be used. Details button, Alt+D brings up the Format Details dialog in which you can change format settings. The dialog contains: a Layout list (Alt+L) where you can opt to Retain Layout, Formatted Text, or Plain Text. Next is the Paper Size list (Alt+P); choose Automatic, A3, A4, A5, Letter, or Legal. The third list is labeled Pictures (Alt+C); choose to Remove Pictures, Low Resolution (for Web), Medium Resolution (for screen), High Resolution (for printing). Four check boxes follow the lists. You can opt to Keep Page Breaks (Alt+G), Keep Line Breaks (Alt+N), Keep Text Color (Alt+T), and Keep Headers and Footers (Alt+H). By default, Kurzweil 1000 keeps Formatted Text for the layout, uses Automatic paper size selection, Removes Pictures, Keeps Page Breaks, Text Color, and Headers and Footers, but does not Keep Line Breaks. These Format Details settings are retained for future sessions until you change them again. Recognition Engine list box, ALT+R. Choose the recognition engine, FineReader Engine or OmniPage Engine. Note: As of October 2016, the OmniPage Engine will no longer be available with a full install of Kurzweil 1000 V14.09 and above. Recognition Languages list view, ALT+L. Check one or more of the recognition languages. The list changes depending on the recognition engine. Note: As of October 2016, with a full install of K1000 V14.09 and above the FineReader language list will be used. Start Recognition button, ALT+S. Use it to start recognition if everything else is set up properly. The next three controls are in a group box labeled Default Destination. Use Source Folder check box, ALT+U. If set, the folder of the image file will be used to specify the default destination folder (i.e., the folder used if none is specified explicitly along with the output file name). Unlabeled text box. This is disabled if Use Source Folder is checked. Otherwise, it allows you to specify a default destination folder. Browse button which will bring up a dialog that allows you to select a default destination folder. Save Defaults button, ALT+V. Use it to save your current settings as default settings. Once you have done this, these are the settings that will be used when you choose to recognize a file or folder automatically. Status, ALT+S is a read-only text box that tells you when recognition of a page is completed and will include recognition hints if you are using FineReader. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson via BlindLaw Sent: Saturday, September 2, 2017 8:10 PM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: Steve Jacobson Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR Actually, Kurzweil 1,000 gives one the choice of using the FineReader engine or the Omnipage Engine. The version I have lets one choose between FineReader 11.0 and OmniPage 19.0. Best regards, Steve Jacobson -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aaron Cannon via BlindLaw Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2017 3:56 PM To: Andrew Webb Cc: Aaron Cannon ; Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR It looks like K1000 uses the Finereader Engine under the covers, so it should still be pretty good. Aaron -- This message was sent from a mobile device > On Sep 2, 2017, at 15:50, Andrew Webb wrote: > > How does Kurzweil 1000 stack up against these other programs? Is it > considered obsolete by this point? > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aaron > Cannon via BlindLaw > Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 4:50 PM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Aaron Cannon > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR > > I believe AbbYY Finereader Corporate (not Standard) version has this > capability. FineReader also tends to win in accuracy against OmniPage > in head-to-head tests. > > Aaron > > -- > This message was sent from a mobile device > > >> On Sep 1, 2017, at 16:28, Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw > wrote: >> >> I am not sure what program you have now, but I use Omni Page by >> Nuance, > and I can convert 10-30 documents from PDF to Word or text depending > on the > size all in one go. I have tried to do more documents, but that really slows > down things. While the conversion is running in the background, I can still > check email, review other documents, etc. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tai > Tomasi via BlindLaw >> Sent: Friday, September 1, 2017 5:21 PM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Cc: Tai Tomasi >> Subject: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR >> >> Hello all. I am looking for a program that will monitor a given >> folder for > new PDF files and convert inaccessible PDF files to accessible PDF > (PDF/a) or Microsoft Word files. Does anyone know of a program that > can do this type > of automated batch OCR conversion? Right now, I have to initiate the > OCR process with a command for each document and rename the new > document to the > same filename as the original PDF with a .docx estension. This is not > an efficient use of my time. Thanks. >> >> >> Ms. Tai Tomasi, J.D. >> Pronouns: she/her/hers >> Staff Attorney >> >> [Description: DR%20IA%20LawCenter] >> >> 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 >> Des Moines, Iowa 50309 >> Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 >> FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 >> E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org >> www.driowa.org >> >> Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights of >> Iowans > with disabilities >> >> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE >> >> This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm >> of > Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the > named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client > communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than > an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, > you are > prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments > or from > making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this > e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, > any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and > destroy any > printouts. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/cannona%40fireantprodu > ctions.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/awebb2168%40gmail.com > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi. com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/agtolentino%40gmail.co m _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40driowa.org From kelbycarlson at gmail.com Tue Sep 5 14:45:10 2017 From: kelbycarlson at gmail.com (Kelby Carlson) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 10:45:10 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR In-Reply-To: References: <96B07D08-B034-46DF-8245-88935D0F1CE6@fireantproductions.com> <1709DB5B-7BD4-4C1C-8019-CC99C228DAEE@fireantproductions.com> <000701d32462$2ea07920$8be16b60$@visi.com> <024201d32473$1e2b4eb0$5a81ec10$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <019df399-3cb0-1302-dfdf-1de4d962bd10@gmail.com> the KOCR Util extension of Kurzweil 1000 will do this, if you have that program. What you'll want to do is type in KOCR from the start menu, which should bring up that program (it's not accessible from within the Kurzweil menu.) You can set up the format and details you want, as well as the source folder, and then if you have a folder of files you want to convert, you can right click on that in Windows Explorer and choose Recognize Images with Kurzweil automatically. On 9/5/2017 10:32 AM, Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw wrote: > I am hoping for something more than mere batch scans and saving of images. I would like the batch scans to preserve the original PDFs and make Word copies of those documents, or at the very least to make the original PDF documents into PDF/a (accessible PDF) files. > Ms. Tai Tomasi, J.D. > Pronouns: she/her/hers > Staff Attorney > > > > 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 > Des Moines, Iowa 50309 > Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 > FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 > E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org > www.driowa.org > > Our Mission:  To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aser Tolentino via BlindLaw > Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2017 12:12 AM > To: steve.jacobson at visi.com; 'Blind Law Mailing List' > Cc: Aser Tolentino > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR > > Hello, > > Unfortunately, it looks like OmniPage is no longer packaged with K1000 after 14.09. Batch scanning is explained in the manual on Page 63. I've pasted the relevant sections below. > > Batch Scanning. > > Batch scanning lets you scan a number of pages at once without recognizing or reading them. Instead, you can store them as image files, which are like snapshots of the original document, then perform the recognition process later. > > Batch scanning saves time during the actual scanning process, as the system does not recognize each page as it is scanned. Since the recognition process is completely automated, Kurzweil 1000 can perform this step while the system is unattended. > > To perform a batch scan using menus: > > 1. Open the Settings menu and choose Scanning. In the tab page that appears, press TAB to go to the Mode option. Use the arrow keys to choose Image Scanning Only, then press ENTER. > 2. Place your document on the scanner. Open the Scan menu and choose Start New Scan, or press the F9 key. Instead of scanning to documents that you can read, the system scans to image files. > > 3. When you have finished scanning to image files, you can perform any other tasks that you wish. You can change settings, read documents, and even leave the Kurzweil 1000 altogether. However, you cannot read the image files until the system has recognized them, as described in the next step. > > 4. Open the Settings menu and choose Scanning. On the Scanning tab page, press TAB to go to the Mode option. Use the arrow keys to choose Recognize Image Files, then press ENTER. > > 5. Open the Scan menu and choose Start New Scan, or press the F9 key. The system starts recognizing the image files in the Images folder, one after another. As each image file is recognized, it is deleted. Choose Start New Scan or press F9 again at any time to stop recognition. > > If you stop recognizing at any point, you should save the current file. You can later reopen the saved file, return to Recognize Image File mode, and begin recognizing again from that point. > > KOCRUtil for Automatic File Recognition. > > If you have a multi-core processor on your machine, you can use KOCRUtil to recognize files and files in folders automatically and silently. > > If the OCR engine can keep the recognized data for the entire document and then convert it, it will attempt to unify its formatting decisions so that the final document is more consistent. > > Before using KOCRUtil, however, consider the tradeoffs. Corrections, for example, will not be applied to each page. You won't be able to edit or read the document as it is recognized. Bookmarks will not be captured for PDF files. And the resulting document won't be in KES format (though most of the choices will produce output that can be converted to KES by opening them within Kurzweil 1000). > > To run KOCRUtil: > > 1. Select a file, a list of files, or a folder in Windows Explorer. > > 2. Bring up the context menu, and select the appropriate menu item. For a folder, that menu item would be "Recognize Images with Kurzweil." For image files (either TIFF, PDF, JPEG, or PNG), you can pick either "Recognize Images with Kurzweil Automatically", or "Recognize Images with Kurzweil Interactively". > > When you recognize images automatically, KOCRUtil.exe will run without bringing up a window. It will use current default settings to recognize the selected image files, or to recognize all of the image files found within the selected folder, and then exit. When it exits, you will hear a wave file "KOCRUtil.wav," if that file exists. > > If you selected a folder and then activated the "Recognize Images with Kurzweil" menu item, KOCRUtil would look for all image files within that folder (but not, note within sub folders). These files would be organized into one or more group. Files are in the same group if their file names are identical except for digits. So, for example, "Image001.tif", "Image2.tif", and "Image43.tif" are all in the same group, but "Imagea3" is not. Groups of image files are sorted by their name, recognized together, and output into one resulting document. > > Output file names are based on the name of the first image file in a group of image files, along with an extension that is appropriate for the output format. Depending upon settings, the output files can be in the same folder as the image files, or can be sent to a specified folder. > > The default is for KOCRUtil to use FineReader Engine with English as the only recognition language, creating an RTF file that will be placed in the same folder as the image file or files. > > To exit KOCRUtil: > > Press Escape or TAB to the Exit button and press Enter. > > To change KOCRUtil settings: > > Either run KOCRUtil.exe without command line arguments, or use the "Recognize Images with Kurzweil Interactively" context menu. This will bring up KOCRUtil, which has a single dialog. > > The dialog controls are described below in tab order. Where applicable, the mnemonic follows. > > Image Files group has a text box, ALT+I, where you can specify one or more image files, separated by semicolons. There is also a Browse button which brings up a file open dialog so you can select the desired image files from your system. > > Output File group has a text box, ALT+O and a Browse button. In the text box you specify the output file. Note that it can be blank, in which case the output file name is constructed using the first image file name. If no path is specified, the source folder will be used, or the default destination folder will be used, depending on that setting (see below). You can also click the Browse button to bring up a file save dialog in which you can specify the output file. > > Format list box, ALT+O, lets you choose the format of the output file. The list of possible formats changes depending on the recognition engine used. > > Note: As of October 2016, with a full install of K1000 V14.09 and above the FineReader will be used. > > > Details button, Alt+D brings up the Format Details dialog in which you can change format settings. The dialog contains: a Layout list (Alt+L) where you can opt to Retain Layout, Formatted Text, or Plain Text. Next is the Paper Size list (Alt+P); choose Automatic, A3, A4, A5, Letter, or Legal. The third list is labeled Pictures (Alt+C); choose to Remove Pictures, Low Resolution (for Web), Medium Resolution (for screen), High Resolution (for printing). > Four check boxes follow the lists. You can opt to Keep Page Breaks (Alt+G), Keep Line Breaks (Alt+N), Keep Text Color (Alt+T), and Keep Headers and Footers (Alt+H). By default, Kurzweil 1000 keeps Formatted Text for the layout, uses Automatic paper size selection, Removes Pictures, Keeps Page Breaks, Text Color, and Headers and Footers, but does not Keep Line Breaks. > These Format Details settings are retained for future sessions until you change them again. > > Recognition Engine list box, ALT+R. Choose the recognition engine, FineReader Engine or OmniPage Engine. > Note: As of October 2016, the OmniPage Engine will no longer be available with a full install of Kurzweil 1000 V14.09 and above. > > Recognition Languages list view, ALT+L. Check one or more of the recognition languages. The list changes depending on the recognition engine. > Note: As of October 2016, with a full install of K1000 V14.09 and above the FineReader language list will be used. > > > Start Recognition button, ALT+S. Use it to start recognition if everything else is set up properly. > > The next three controls are in a group box labeled Default Destination. > > Use Source Folder check box, ALT+U. If set, the folder of the image file will be used to specify the default destination folder (i.e., the folder used if none is specified explicitly along with the output file name). > > Unlabeled text box. This is disabled if Use Source Folder is checked. > Otherwise, it allows you to specify a default destination folder. > Browse button which will bring up a dialog that allows you to select a default destination folder. > > Save Defaults button, ALT+V. Use it to save your current settings as default settings. Once you have done this, these are the settings that will be used when you choose to recognize a file or folder automatically. > Status, ALT+S is a read-only text box that tells you when recognition of a page is completed and will include recognition hints if you are using FineReader. > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson via BlindLaw > Sent: Saturday, September 2, 2017 8:10 PM > To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' > Cc: Steve Jacobson > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR > > Actually, Kurzweil 1,000 gives one the choice of using the FineReader engine or the Omnipage Engine. The version I have lets one choose between FineReader 11.0 and OmniPage 19.0. > > Best regards, > > Steve Jacobson > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aaron Cannon via BlindLaw > Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2017 3:56 PM > To: Andrew Webb > Cc: Aaron Cannon ; Blind Law Mailing List > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR > > It looks like K1000 uses the Finereader Engine under the covers, so it should still be pretty good. > > Aaron > > -- > This message was sent from a mobile device > > >> On Sep 2, 2017, at 15:50, Andrew Webb wrote: >> >> How does Kurzweil 1000 stack up against these other programs? Is it >> considered obsolete by this point? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aaron >> Cannon via BlindLaw >> Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 4:50 PM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Cc: Aaron Cannon >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR >> >> I believe AbbYY Finereader Corporate (not Standard) version has this >> capability. FineReader also tends to win in accuracy against OmniPage >> in head-to-head tests. >> >> Aaron >> >> -- >> This message was sent from a mobile device >> >> >>> On Sep 1, 2017, at 16:28, Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw >> wrote: >>> I am not sure what program you have now, but I use Omni Page by >>> Nuance, >> and I can convert 10-30 documents from PDF to Word or text depending >> on > the >> size all in one go. I have tried to do more documents, but that really > slows >> down things. While the conversion is running in the background, I can > still >> check email, review other documents, etc. >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tai >> Tomasi via BlindLaw >>> Sent: Friday, September 1, 2017 5:21 PM >>> To: Blind Law Mailing List >>> Cc: Tai Tomasi >>> Subject: [blindlaw] Batch Recognition of OCR >>> >>> Hello all. I am looking for a program that will monitor a given >>> folder > for >> new PDF files and convert inaccessible PDF files to accessible PDF >> (PDF/a) or Microsoft Word files. Does anyone know of a program that >> can do this > type >> of automated batch OCR conversion? Right now, I have to initiate the >> OCR process with a command for each document and rename the new >> document to > the >> same filename as the original PDF with a .docx estension. This is not >> an efficient use of my time. Thanks. >>> >>> Ms. Tai Tomasi, J.D. >>> Pronouns: she/her/hers >>> Staff Attorney >>> >>> [Description: DR%20IA%20LawCenter] >>> >>> 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 >>> Des Moines, Iowa 50309 >>> Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 >>> FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 >>> E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org >>> www.driowa.org >>> >>> Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights of >>> Iowans >> with disabilities >>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE >>> >>> This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm >>> of >> Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the >> named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client >> communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than >> an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, >> you > are >> prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments >> or > from >> making any use of the e-mail or attachments. 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Message-ID: Hi all I've asked about the experiences of others using accessible discovery platforms on the list before. I ask for experiences, suggestions and recommendations again, in case something has changed and/or someone has some useful insight to share. Kind regards Ger From mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com Tue Sep 5 23:43:42 2017 From: mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com (Marcos Rodrigues) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 23:43:42 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Accessible Discovery Review Platforms? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi all. I use Relativity and it works really well with google crome and NVDA. I also tried kroll but the software is very inaccessible. Regards. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 5, 2017, at 7:31 PM, Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw wrote: > > Hi all > > I've asked about the experiences of others using accessible discovery > platforms on the list before. I ask for experiences, suggestions and > recommendations again, in case something has changed and/or someone > has some useful insight to share. > > Kind regards > > Ger > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrodrigues81%40hotmail.com From howardadelsberg at gmail.com Wed Sep 6 00:09:24 2017 From: howardadelsberg at gmail.com (Howard Adelsberg) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 20:09:24 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Accessible Discovery Review Platforms? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <28259A35-C108-479E-AC8C-BD5BBA7F147C@gmail.com> What do you mean by discovery platforms? > On Sep 5, 2017, at 7:26 PM, Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw wrote: > > Hi all > > I've asked about the experiences of others using accessible discovery > platforms on the list before. I ask for experiences, suggestions and > recommendations again, in case something has changed and/or someone > has some useful insight to share. > > Kind regards > > Ger > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/howard.adelsberg%40gmail.com From rwayne1 at nyc.rr.com Wed Sep 6 00:28:46 2017 From: rwayne1 at nyc.rr.com (Ray Wayne) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 20:28:46 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Microsoft Office 365 Message-ID: Hi All: My office is migrating our email to Microsoft Office 365, which is a "cloud-based service." Does anyone know anything about this program? Will it work with JAWS? Thanks in advance. Ray Wayne New York City From agtolentino at gmail.com Wed Sep 6 00:37:03 2017 From: agtolentino at gmail.com (Aser Tolentino) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 17:37:03 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Microsoft Office 365 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <21E7C843-574F-476C-837C-466355A4A888@gmail.com> Assuming the implementation is handled well, you won't even notice the difference. You will be using Office 2016, which for the most part is quite JAWS friendly. Respectfully, Aser Tolentino, Esq. > On Sep 5, 2017, at 17:28, Ray Wayne via BlindLaw wrote: > > Hi All: > My office is migrating our email to Microsoft Office 365, which is a "cloud-based service." Does anyone know anything about this program? Will it work with JAWS? > Thanks in advance. > Ray Wayne > New York City > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/agtolentino%40gmail.com From NSingh at cov.com Wed Sep 6 17:17:46 2017 From: NSingh at cov.com (Singh, Nandini) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 17:17:46 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Accessible Discovery Review Platforms? In-Reply-To: <28259A35-C108-479E-AC8C-BD5BBA7F147C@gmail.com> References: <28259A35-C108-479E-AC8C-BD5BBA7F147C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <444e28c473454b25bfac872803d09870@CBIvEX03eUS.cov.com> Discovery platforms are software packages, often a database and a search utility, that allow lawyers to conduct electronic discovery of documents that have been scanned and then loaded onto the database. Right now, my matters use Relativity and Kroll, both of which are inaccessible with JAWS and IE. I therefore ask our litigation support staff to print out electronically the documents I am interested in reviewing as PDFs. It is not an ideal solution, but it works. However, I also supplement my own work through the review efforts of a staff attorney. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Howard Adelsberg via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 8:09 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Howard Adelsberg Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Accessible Discovery Review Platforms? What do you mean by discovery platforms? > On Sep 5, 2017, at 7:26 PM, Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw wrote: > > Hi all > > I've asked about the experiences of others using accessible discovery > platforms on the list before. I ask for experiences, suggestions and > recommendations again, in case something has changed and/or someone > has some useful insight to share. > > Kind regards > > Ger > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/howard.adelsberg%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/nsingh%40cov.com From slabarre at labarrelaw.com Wed Sep 6 17:18:06 2017 From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. 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Our mailing address is: (Please note our new suite number) National Employment Lawyers Association 2201 Broadway Suite 310 Oakland, CA 94612 Add us to your address book unsubscribe from this list update subscription preferences From ttomasi at driowa.org Wed Sep 6 17:23:04 2017 From: ttomasi at driowa.org (Tai Tomasi) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 17:23:04 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Accessible Discovery Review Platforms? In-Reply-To: <444e28c473454b25bfac872803d09870@CBIvEX03eUS.cov.com> References: <28259A35-C108-479E-AC8C-BD5BBA7F147C@gmail.com> <444e28c473454b25bfac872803d09870@CBIvEX03eUS.cov.com> Message-ID: I saw Marcos' email regarding the fact that he uses Relativity with NVDA. I am interested in knowing which aspects of Relativity are accessible with NVDA and whether those same aspects are accessible with JAWS and IE? In other words, I am wondering the extent to which Relativity is totally and completely accessible. Are there features that blind attorneys cannot access? Ms. Tai Tomasi, J.D. Pronouns: she/her/hers Staff Attorney 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 Des Moines, Iowa 50309 Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org www.driowa.org Our Mission:  To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 12:18 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Singh, Nandini Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Accessible Discovery Review Platforms? Discovery platforms are software packages, often a database and a search utility, that allow lawyers to conduct electronic discovery of documents that have been scanned and then loaded onto the database. Right now, my matters use Relativity and Kroll, both of which are inaccessible with JAWS and IE. I therefore ask our litigation support staff to print out electronically the documents I am interested in reviewing as PDFs. It is not an ideal solution, but it works. However, I also supplement my own work through the review efforts of a staff attorney. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Howard Adelsberg via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 8:09 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Howard Adelsberg Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Accessible Discovery Review Platforms? What do you mean by discovery platforms? > On Sep 5, 2017, at 7:26 PM, Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw wrote: > > Hi all > > I've asked about the experiences of others using accessible discovery > platforms on the list before. I ask for experiences, suggestions and > recommendations again, in case something has changed and/or someone > has some useful insight to share. > > Kind regards > > Ger > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/howard.adelsberg > %40gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/nsingh%40cov.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40driowa.org From NSingh at cov.com Wed Sep 6 17:27:43 2017 From: NSingh at cov.com (Singh, Nandini) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 17:27:43 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Accessible Discovery Review Platforms? In-Reply-To: References: <28259A35-C108-479E-AC8C-BD5BBA7F147C@gmail.com> <444e28c473454b25bfac872803d09870@CBIvEX03eUS.cov.com> Message-ID: When I tried using Relativity with JAWS and IE, I could do the first few steps to set up a search. But then I had to click on the graphic of a magnifying glass to continue. This means I could not perform the search nor could I save a search to modify at some future time. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 1:23 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Tai Tomasi Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Accessible Discovery Review Platforms? I saw Marcos' email regarding the fact that he uses Relativity with NVDA. I am interested in knowing which aspects of Relativity are accessible with NVDA and whether those same aspects are accessible with JAWS and IE? In other words, I am wondering the extent to which Relativity is totally and completely accessible. Are there features that blind attorneys cannot access? Ms. Tai Tomasi, J.D. Pronouns: she/her/hers Staff Attorney 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 Des Moines, Iowa 50309 Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org www.driowa.org Our Mission:  To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 12:18 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Singh, Nandini Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Accessible Discovery Review Platforms? Discovery platforms are software packages, often a database and a search utility, that allow lawyers to conduct electronic discovery of documents that have been scanned and then loaded onto the database. Right now, my matters use Relativity and Kroll, both of which are inaccessible with JAWS and IE. I therefore ask our litigation support staff to print out electronically the documents I am interested in reviewing as PDFs. It is not an ideal solution, but it works. However, I also supplement my own work through the review efforts of a staff attorney. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Howard Adelsberg via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 8:09 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Howard Adelsberg Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Accessible Discovery Review Platforms? What do you mean by discovery platforms? > On Sep 5, 2017, at 7:26 PM, Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw wrote: > > Hi all > > I've asked about the experiences of others using accessible discovery > platforms on the list before. I ask for experiences, suggestions and > recommendations again, in case something has changed and/or someone > has some useful insight to share. > > Kind regards > > Ger > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/howard.adelsberg > %40gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/nsingh%40cov.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40driowa.org _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/nsingh%40cov.com From howardadelsberg at gmail.com Wed Sep 6 17:44:03 2017 From: howardadelsberg at gmail.com (Howard Adelsberg) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 13:44:03 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Accessible Discovery Review Platforms? In-Reply-To: <444e28c473454b25bfac872803d09870@CBIvEX03eUS.cov.com> References: <28259A35-C108-479E-AC8C-BD5BBA7F147C@gmail.com> <444e28c473454b25bfac872803d09870@CBIvEX03eUS.cov.com> Message-ID: <0AF12F76-59E0-4AAD-BAA1-5D32D370EEB2@gmail.com> This is all new to me since I'm just losing my vision. In the past when I have done is scanned documents as PDFs and send them out that way. Now I am able to scan the PDFs and convert them into NVDA > On Sep 6, 2017, at 1:17 PM, Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw wrote: > > Discovery platforms are software packages, often a database and a search utility, that allow lawyers to conduct electronic discovery of documents that have been scanned and then loaded onto the database. Right now, my matters use Relativity and Kroll, both of which are inaccessible with JAWS and IE. I therefore ask our litigation support staff to print out electronically the documents I am interested in reviewing as PDFs. It is not an ideal solution, but it works. However, I also supplement my own work through the review efforts of a staff attorney. > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Howard Adelsberg via BlindLaw > Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 8:09 PM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Howard Adelsberg > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Accessible Discovery Review Platforms? > > What do you mean by discovery platforms? > >> On Sep 5, 2017, at 7:26 PM, Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw wrote: >> >> Hi all >> >> I've asked about the experiences of others using accessible discovery >> platforms on the list before. I ask for experiences, suggestions and >> recommendations again, in case something has changed and/or someone >> has some useful insight to share. >> >> Kind regards >> >> Ger >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/howard.adelsberg%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/nsingh%40cov.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/howardadelsberg%40gmail.com From lmendez716 at gmail.com Wed Sep 6 18:07:28 2017 From: lmendez716 at gmail.com (Luis Mendez) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 14:07:28 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Accessible Discovery Review Platforms? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006601d3273b$00ea5fb0$02bf1f10$@gmail.com> Good afternoon: Do you have to use the mouse, or does Relativity work well with keyboard commands and web navigation keys? Luis -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marcos Rodrigues via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 7:44 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Marcos Rodrigues Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Accessible Discovery Review Platforms? Hi all. I use Relativity and it works really well with google crome and NVDA. I also tried kroll but the software is very inaccessible. Regards. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 5, 2017, at 7:31 PM, Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw wrote: > > Hi all > > I've asked about the experiences of others using accessible discovery > platforms on the list before. I ask for experiences, suggestions and > recommendations again, in case something has changed and/or someone > has some useful insight to share. > > Kind regards > > Ger > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrodrigues81%40h > otmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com From ttomasi at driowa.org Wed Sep 6 18:17:17 2017 From: ttomasi at driowa.org (Tai Tomasi) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 18:17:17 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Accessible Discovery Review Platforms? In-Reply-To: References: <28259A35-C108-479E-AC8C-BD5BBA7F147C@gmail.com> <444e28c473454b25bfac872803d09870@CBIvEX03eUS.cov.com> Message-ID: Could it be scripted to work with JAWS, or could one use a scripting alternative, like Alt, to record what is essentially a macro, a series of mouse clicks, that would let the JAWS user click buttons and continue through the process? Ms. Tai Tomasi, J.D. Pronouns: she/her/hers Staff Attorney 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 Des Moines, Iowa 50309 Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org www.driowa.org Our Mission:  To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 12:28 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Singh, Nandini Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Accessible Discovery Review Platforms? When I tried using Relativity with JAWS and IE, I could do the first few steps to set up a search. But then I had to click on the graphic of a magnifying glass to continue. This means I could not perform the search nor could I save a search to modify at some future time. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 1:23 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Tai Tomasi Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Accessible Discovery Review Platforms? I saw Marcos' email regarding the fact that he uses Relativity with NVDA. I am interested in knowing which aspects of Relativity are accessible with NVDA and whether those same aspects are accessible with JAWS and IE? In other words, I am wondering the extent to which Relativity is totally and completely accessible. Are there features that blind attorneys cannot access? Ms. Tai Tomasi, J.D. Pronouns: she/her/hers Staff Attorney 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 Des Moines, Iowa 50309 Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org www.driowa.org Our Mission:  To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 12:18 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Singh, Nandini Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Accessible Discovery Review Platforms? Discovery platforms are software packages, often a database and a search utility, that allow lawyers to conduct electronic discovery of documents that have been scanned and then loaded onto the database. Right now, my matters use Relativity and Kroll, both of which are inaccessible with JAWS and IE. I therefore ask our litigation support staff to print out electronically the documents I am interested in reviewing as PDFs. It is not an ideal solution, but it works. However, I also supplement my own work through the review efforts of a staff attorney. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Howard Adelsberg via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 8:09 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Howard Adelsberg Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Accessible Discovery Review Platforms? What do you mean by discovery platforms? > On Sep 5, 2017, at 7:26 PM, Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw wrote: > > Hi all > > I've asked about the experiences of others using accessible discovery > platforms on the list before. I ask for experiences, suggestions and > recommendations again, in case something has changed and/or someone > has some useful insight to share. > > Kind regards > > Ger > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/howard.adelsberg > %40gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/nsingh%40cov.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40driowa.org _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/nsingh%40cov.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40driowa.org From NSingh at cov.com Wed Sep 6 18:19:42 2017 From: NSingh at cov.com (Singh, Nandini) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2017 18:19:42 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Accessible Discovery Review Platforms? In-Reply-To: References: <28259A35-C108-479E-AC8C-BD5BBA7F147C@gmail.com> <444e28c473454b25bfac872803d09870@CBIvEX03eUS.cov.com> Message-ID: I do not know. I do not know how to do JAWS scripting to try it out. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 2:17 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Tai Tomasi Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Accessible Discovery Review Platforms? Could it be scripted to work with JAWS, or could one use a scripting alternative, like Alt, to record what is essentially a macro, a series of mouse clicks, that would let the JAWS user click buttons and continue through the process? Ms. Tai Tomasi, J.D. Pronouns: she/her/hers Staff Attorney 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 Des Moines, Iowa 50309 Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org www.driowa.org Our Mission:  To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 12:28 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Singh, Nandini Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Accessible Discovery Review Platforms? When I tried using Relativity with JAWS and IE, I could do the first few steps to set up a search. But then I had to click on the graphic of a magnifying glass to continue. This means I could not perform the search nor could I save a search to modify at some future time. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw Sent: Wednesday, September 6, 2017 1:23 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Tai Tomasi Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Accessible Discovery Review Platforms? I saw Marcos' email regarding the fact that he uses Relativity with NVDA. I am interested in knowing which aspects of Relativity are accessible with NVDA and whether those same aspects are accessible with JAWS and IE? In other words, I am wondering the extent to which Relativity is totally and completely accessible. Are there features that blind attorneys cannot access? Ms. Tai Tomasi, J.D. Pronouns: she/her/hers Staff Attorney 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 Des Moines, Iowa 50309 Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org www.driowa.org Our Mission:  To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 12:18 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Singh, Nandini Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Accessible Discovery Review Platforms? Discovery platforms are software packages, often a database and a search utility, that allow lawyers to conduct electronic discovery of documents that have been scanned and then loaded onto the database. Right now, my matters use Relativity and Kroll, both of which are inaccessible with JAWS and IE. I therefore ask our litigation support staff to print out electronically the documents I am interested in reviewing as PDFs. It is not an ideal solution, but it works. However, I also supplement my own work through the review efforts of a staff attorney. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Howard Adelsberg via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 8:09 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Howard Adelsberg Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Accessible Discovery Review Platforms? What do you mean by discovery platforms? > On Sep 5, 2017, at 7:26 PM, Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw wrote: > > Hi all > > I've asked about the experiences of others using accessible discovery > platforms on the list before. I ask for experiences, suggestions and > recommendations again, in case something has changed and/or someone > has some useful insight to share. > > Kind regards > > Ger > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/howard.adelsberg > %40gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/nsingh%40cov.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40driowa.org _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/nsingh%40cov.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40driowa.org _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/nsingh%40cov.com From mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com Thu Sep 7 01:12:13 2017 From: mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com (Marcos Rodrigues) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 01:12:13 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Accessible Discovery Review Platforms? In-Reply-To: <006601d3273b$00ea5fb0$02bf1f10$@gmail.com> References: , <006601d3273b$00ea5fb0$02bf1f10$@gmail.com> Message-ID: It works with the keyboard, no mouse is needed. Regards. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 6, 2017, at 2:12 PM, Luis Mendez via BlindLaw wrote: > > Good afternoon: > > Do you have to use the mouse, or does Relativity work well with keyboard > commands and web navigation keys? > > Luis > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marcos > Rodrigues via BlindLaw > Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 7:44 PM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Marcos Rodrigues > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Accessible Discovery Review Platforms? > > Hi all. > > I use Relativity and it works really well with google crome and NVDA. > > I also tried kroll but the software is very inaccessible. > > Regards. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 5, 2017, at 7:31 PM, Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw > wrote: >> >> Hi all >> >> I've asked about the experiences of others using accessible discovery >> platforms on the list before. I ask for experiences, suggestions and >> recommendations again, in case something has changed and/or someone >> has some useful insight to share. >> >> Kind regards >> >> Ger >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrodrigues81%40h >> otmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrodrigues81%40hotmail.com From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com Thu Sep 7 06:25:49 2017 From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 07:25:49 +0100 Subject: [blindlaw] Accessible Discovery Review Platforms? In-Reply-To: References: <006601d3273b$00ea5fb0$02bf1f10$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Marcos Could you please point us to any material that explains how to use Relativity with the keyboard? How would I do a search, open a document and tag it, using the keyboard and jaws for example? Thanks so much. Ger On 9/7/17, Marcos Rodrigues via BlindLaw wrote: > It works with the keyboard, no mouse is needed. > > Regards. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 6, 2017, at 2:12 PM, Luis Mendez via BlindLaw >> wrote: >> >> Good afternoon: >> >> Do you have to use the mouse, or does Relativity work well with keyboard >> commands and web navigation keys? >> >> Luis >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marcos >> Rodrigues via BlindLaw >> Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 7:44 PM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Cc: Marcos Rodrigues >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Accessible Discovery Review Platforms? >> >> Hi all. >> >> I use Relativity and it works really well with google crome and NVDA. >> >> I also tried kroll but the software is very inaccessible. >> >> Regards. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 5, 2017, at 7:31 PM, Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw >> wrote: >>> >>> Hi all >>> >>> I've asked about the experiences of others using accessible discovery >>> platforms on the list before. I ask for experiences, suggestions and >>> recommendations again, in case something has changed and/or someone >>> has some useful insight to share. >>> >>> Kind regards >>> >>> Ger >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrodrigues81%40h >>> otmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrodrigues81%40hotmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com > From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com Thu Sep 7 08:36:10 2017 From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 14:06:10 +0530 Subject: [blindlaw] Arguing in courts using soft copy documents Message-ID: Hi Everyone, I hope this message finds you well. Here in India, courts have increasingly begun using soft copy documents at oral argument. While this has the potential of making the practice of law more accessible to the disabled than has been hitherto possible, it may also give rise to some logistical challenges. More specifically, I wonder how a blind lawyer would be able to use screen reading technology and refer to the documentation that they are relying on while also conversing with the judge and answering their questions. So if any of you have any experience of litigating in courts which have gone fully digital, please share your experiences. Best, Rahul From mrallman116 at gmail.com Thu Sep 7 11:26:55 2017 From: mrallman116 at gmail.com (mrallman116 at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 06:26:55 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Arguing in courts using soft copy documents In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0B66FDE6-1BDB-4CA8-B754-0CBEB92257C3@gmail.com> In court, I use a notetaker with a braille display. This allows me to reference documents without any speech output so that I am not distracted and so that opposing counsel and other individuals do not hear what I am Reading. I hope that helps some. Melissa Allman Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 7, 2017, at 3:36 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > I hope this message finds you well. Here in India, courts have > increasingly begun using soft copy documents at oral argument. > While this has the potential of making the practice of law more > accessible to the disabled than has been hitherto possible, it may > also give rise to some logistical challenges. > More specifically, I wonder how a blind lawyer would be able to use > screen reading technology and refer to the documentation that they are > relying on while also conversing with the judge and answering their > questions. > > So if any of you have any experience of litigating in courts which > have gone fully digital, please share your experiences. > > Best, > Rahul > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrallman116%40gmail.com From dbeitz at wiennergould.com Thu Sep 7 13:15:55 2017 From: dbeitz at wiennergould.com (Dan Beitz) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 13:15:55 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Arguing in courts using soft copy documents In-Reply-To: <0B66FDE6-1BDB-4CA8-B754-0CBEB92257C3@gmail.com> References: <0B66FDE6-1BDB-4CA8-B754-0CBEB92257C3@gmail.com> Message-ID: <05df58753f674dd189fd0161c2fba7c2@wiennergould.com> You can also use an iPad with an air pod in one ear. Daniel K. Beitz Wienner & Gould, P.C. 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 Rochester, MI  48307 Phone:  (248) 841-9405 Fax:  (248) 652-2729 dbeitz at wiennergould.com www.wiennergould.com This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged.  If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited.  Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Melissa Allman via BlindLaw Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 7:27 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: mrallman116 at gmail.com Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Arguing in courts using soft copy documents In court, I use a notetaker with a braille display. This allows me to reference documents without any speech output so that I am not distracted and so that opposing counsel and other individuals do not hear what I am Reading. I hope that helps some. Melissa Allman Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 7, 2017, at 3:36 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > I hope this message finds you well. Here in India, courts have > increasingly begun using soft copy documents at oral argument. > While this has the potential of making the practice of law more > accessible to the disabled than has been hitherto possible, it may > also give rise to some logistical challenges. > More specifically, I wonder how a blind lawyer would be able to use > screen reading technology and refer to the documentation that they are > relying on while also conversing with the judge and answering their > questions. > > So if any of you have any experience of litigating in courts which > have gone fully digital, please share your experiences. > > Best, > Rahul > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrallman116%40gm > ail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com From NSingh at cov.com Thu Sep 7 13:22:01 2017 From: NSingh at cov.com (Singh, Nandini) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 13:22:01 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Arguing in courts using soft copy documents In-Reply-To: <05df58753f674dd189fd0161c2fba7c2@wiennergould.com> References: <0B66FDE6-1BDB-4CA8-B754-0CBEB92257C3@gmail.com> <05df58753f674dd189fd0161c2fba7c2@wiennergould.com> Message-ID: <219a298cad964cf0a2de8c560f2c6d5a@CBIvEX02eUS.cov.com> So I am wondering about this. How are you able to listen to what your screenreader is telling you and what is happening in the courtroom? I realize that part of the technique involves minimizing two streams of audible information, but how is this done well? I have not been able to do so, though I would like to. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Beitz via BlindLaw Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 9:16 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Dan Beitz Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Arguing in courts using soft copy documents You can also use an iPad with an air pod in one ear. Daniel K. Beitz Wienner & Gould, P.C. 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 Rochester, MI  48307 Phone:  (248) 841-9405 Fax:  (248) 652-2729 dbeitz at wiennergould.com www.wiennergould.com This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged.  If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited.  Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Melissa Allman via BlindLaw Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 7:27 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: mrallman116 at gmail.com Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Arguing in courts using soft copy documents In court, I use a notetaker with a braille display. This allows me to reference documents without any speech output so that I am not distracted and so that opposing counsel and other individuals do not hear what I am Reading. I hope that helps some. Melissa Allman Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 7, 2017, at 3:36 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > I hope this message finds you well. Here in India, courts have > increasingly begun using soft copy documents at oral argument. > While this has the potential of making the practice of law more > accessible to the disabled than has been hitherto possible, it may > also give rise to some logistical challenges. > More specifically, I wonder how a blind lawyer would be able to use > screen reading technology and refer to the documentation that they are > relying on while also conversing with the judge and answering their > questions. > > So if any of you have any experience of litigating in courts which > have gone fully digital, please share your experiences. > > Best, > Rahul > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrallman116%40gm > ail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/nsingh%40cov.com From dbeitz at wiennergould.com Thu Sep 7 13:44:44 2017 From: dbeitz at wiennergould.com (Dan Beitz) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 13:44:44 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Arguing in courts using soft copy documents In-Reply-To: <219a298cad964cf0a2de8c560f2c6d5a@CBIvEX02eUS.cov.com> References: <0B66FDE6-1BDB-4CA8-B754-0CBEB92257C3@gmail.com> <05df58753f674dd189fd0161c2fba7c2@wiennergould.com> <219a298cad964cf0a2de8c560f2c6d5a@CBIvEX02eUS.cov.com> Message-ID: <92b905881b3f48b78cc8a8e92c5d7a13@wiennergould.com> It is easy when you are arguing, because there isn't a second stream of audio. When the other side is arguing, you make sure you are in a position to take notes, so you can rebut. This also isn't an issue. When you are trying to find something when others are talking is when you really have to concentrate. It really is just practice. I know it's doable, as I have tried cases using this technique. I really have no other choice though, as my braille reading is way too slow to be useful in court. Daniel K. Beitz Wienner & Gould, P.C. 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 Rochester, MI  48307 Phone:  (248) 841-9405 Fax:  (248) 652-2729 dbeitz at wiennergould.com www.wiennergould.com This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged.  If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited.  Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 9:22 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Singh, Nandini Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Arguing in courts using soft copy documents So I am wondering about this. How are you able to listen to what your screenreader is telling you and what is happening in the courtroom? I realize that part of the technique involves minimizing two streams of audible information, but how is this done well? I have not been able to do so, though I would like to. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Beitz via BlindLaw Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 9:16 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Dan Beitz Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Arguing in courts using soft copy documents You can also use an iPad with an air pod in one ear. Daniel K. Beitz Wienner & Gould, P.C. 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 Rochester, MI  48307 Phone:  (248) 841-9405 Fax:  (248) 652-2729 dbeitz at wiennergould.com www.wiennergould.com This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged.  If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited.  Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Melissa Allman via BlindLaw Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 7:27 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: mrallman116 at gmail.com Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Arguing in courts using soft copy documents In court, I use a notetaker with a braille display. This allows me to reference documents without any speech output so that I am not distracted and so that opposing counsel and other individuals do not hear what I am Reading. I hope that helps some. Melissa Allman Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 7, 2017, at 3:36 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > I hope this message finds you well. Here in India, courts have > increasingly begun using soft copy documents at oral argument. > While this has the potential of making the practice of law more > accessible to the disabled than has been hitherto possible, it may > also give rise to some logistical challenges. > More specifically, I wonder how a blind lawyer would be able to use > screen reading technology and refer to the documentation that they are > relying on while also conversing with the judge and answering their > questions. > > So if any of you have any experience of litigating in courts which > have gone fully digital, please share your experiences. > > Best, > Rahul > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrallman116%40gm > ail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/nsingh%40cov.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com From joshl at loevy.com Thu Sep 7 14:46:34 2017 From: joshl at loevy.com (Josh Loevy) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 09:46:34 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Arguing in courts using soft copy documents In-Reply-To: <05df58753f674dd189fd0161c2fba7c2@wiennergould.com> References: <0B66FDE6-1BDB-4CA8-B754-0CBEB92257C3@gmail.com> <05df58753f674dd189fd0161c2fba7c2@wiennergould.com> Message-ID: <4a67d6859401b38d47d479c6b19f5d46@mail.gmail.com> Have you used this strategy? I am curious (as a slight aside) what you like about the IPad verse a laptop. -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: unknown sender Subject: no subject Date: no date Size: 8130 URL: From mnowicki4 at icloud.com Thu Sep 7 16:54:16 2017 From: mnowicki4 at icloud.com (Michael Nowicki) Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2017 11:54:16 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Arguing in courts using soft copy documents In-Reply-To: <4a67d6859401b38d47d479c6b19f5d46@mail.gmail.com> References: <0B66FDE6-1BDB-4CA8-B754-0CBEB92257C3@gmail.com> <05df58753f674dd189fd0161c2fba7c2@wiennergould.com> <4a67d6859401b38d47d479c6b19f5d46@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <004e01d327f9$f1bde3d0$d539ab70$@icloud.com> Hi everyone, I personally prefer using a Braille display over relying on audio in oral presentations. However, refreshable Braille displays have one important limitation I want to be sure all of you are aware of in deciding which technology to use in court and in similar settings. Unlike with embossed Braille, we are limited to accessing one line of refreshable Braille at a time. So, while screen readers and Braille notetakers offer quick navigation features, such as virtual find, relying on refreshable Braille could sometimes pose efficiency problems. Whether those problems outweigh the benefits obviously depends heavily on the particular circumstances in which we use the technology, including not just the type of oral argument setting, but also the way in which we organize our electronic notes and other materials. I hope this helps. Michal -----Original Message-----. From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Josh Loevy via BlindLaw Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 9:47 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Josh Loevy Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Arguing in courts using soft copy documents Have you used this strategy? I am curious (as a slight aside) what you like about the IPad verse a laptop. From slabarre at labarrelaw.com Thu Sep 7 23:08:57 2017 From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. Labarre) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2017 17:08:57 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] Hurricane Irma Message-ID: <00d701d3282e$4901fcb0$db05f610$@labarrelaw.com> To our Florida Colleagues and anyone else in the path of Irma, we are thinking of you and praying for the best! Please know that the ABA website is constantly being updated and will offer resources for this storm as well. Attorneys can find out information on how to volunteer, contribute financially, or access disaster relief materials. Free CLE is available to bring you up to speed on disaster relief law so that you can offer probono services to storm victims. www.ambar.org/DisasterRelief Again, we wish everyone in the affected area the absolute best! Scott From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Fri Sep 8 18:07:24 2017 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2017 18:07:24 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Article: Haben Girma: Leading the way for people with disabilities, ABA Journal, September 5, 2017 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.abajournal.com/legalrebels/article/haben_girma_disability_law/?utm_source=maestro&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=weekly_email Haben Girma: Leading the way for people with disabilities ABA Journal September 5, 2017 By Stephanie Francis Ward Haben Girma, a Harvard Law School graduate, has limited hearing and vision and refers to herself as "Deafblind." "It should be one word, no hyphen, and I prefer to capitalize the D because it's a cultural identity," says Girma, 29, a former Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom fellow whose work centers on consulting and public speaking about the benefits of fully accessible products and services, as well as hiring people with disabilities. On her website, she even gives the news media tips on how to report on disabilities. "When companies increase their hiring of people with disabilities, they benefit from the talents of people with disabilities," says Girma, who has worked with organizations such as Apple, Google, Pearson Education Inc. and the American Alliance of Museums. This month, she is the keynote speaker at the Clio Cloud Conference in New Orleans. Before she went into consulting, she practiced litigation for 2½ years with the nonprofit Disability Rights Advocates. "Litigation is powerful, but I feel like a lot of the accessibility barriers are due to lack of education," Girma says. "I feel like I have a unique talent to inspire and motivate people to remove those barriers." Written English is Girma's strongest form of communication. When speaking with someone in person who also speaks English, she asks the person to type their words on her wireless, Bluetooth-equipped keyboard, which sends the communication to her braille computer. "What I love about the keyboard is that almost everybody is used to typing on a keyboard," says Girma, who's been using the devices to communicate since 2010. "Nobody told me 'Hey, these new [braille] devices now support Bluetooth, and you can connect them to a Bluetooth keyboard.' I had to do the research and figure it out." Former President Barack Obama, who met with her at the White House in 2015 at a 25th anniversary celebration for the Americans with Disabilities Act, is among those who have used Girma's wireless keyboard. She also used the communication method in court while representing the National Federation of the Blind in an accessibility lawsuit brought against Scribd, a digital library subscription service. Scribd argued that digital places didn't have to be ADA-compliant. The case settled in 2015 after the company lost its summary judgment motion in the U.S. District Court for the District of Vermont. Daniel Goldstein, a Baltimore lawyer who worked with Girma on that case, says she's good at solving problems. "If you are a person with a disability and you want to lead the life you want, then you need to be a good problem-solver," he says. "That's also an important quality for a good lawyer. Clients are always looking for you to solve problems in practical ways." Goldstein hopes Girma might come back to litigation work someday. She's also a good writer, he says, and was never intimidated about debating a legal theory with an older lawyer like himself. "If she was excited about an idea and I wasn't, she didn't give up after the first try, which I liked," Goldstein says. Girma, who identifies as a first-generation immigrant, is the daughter of an Ethiopian father and Eritrean mother. She started her consulting and public speaking business in 2016 and gets work through friends, traditional media and social media. She recently created a mailing list, which shares links of her and her guide dog, Maxine, working and exploring together. The first clip features the two climbing a large dome at the City Museum in St. Louis. "Most museums instruct patrons not to touch exhibits, limiting access for blind patrons," Girma says. "The City Museum is an incredible place that fully encourages patrons to touch exhibits." In her spare time, Girma enjoys dancing and surfing. Sometimes she rides the board by herself, and other times she'll do tandem surfing with another person, using a larger board. "I reached out to several surf schools in San Diego. Most just ignored me or said, 'We have no idea how to make it work,' " says Girma, adding that two of the businesses sent back positive responses. "They said, 'We don't know if this will work, but let's try; we'll have fun learning,' " Girma says. "It was a ton of fun." From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Wed Sep 13 17:18:36 2017 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2017 17:18:36 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Diversity Notification In-Reply-To: References: <2041789952.24878.1504943357978.JavaMail.careerconnector@mgsapps.monster.com> Message-ID: From: Jobs [mailto:jobs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Maurer, Patricia via Jobs Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 6:43 AM To: 'jobs at nfbnet.org' Cc: Maurer, Patricia Subject: [Jobs] FW: Diversity Notification -----Original Message----- From: careerconnector at mgsapps.monster.com [mailto:careerconnector at mgsapps.monster.com] Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2017 3:49 AM To: Maurer, Patricia Subject: Diversity Notification National Federation of the Blind Sir/Madam Dear Sir/Madam: Your organization and its members might be interested in the following vacancy announcement: Announcement Number: ATTY-MB-2017-004 Vacancy Description: Supervisory Attorney-Adviser (General) (Division Chief) Open Period: 09/08/2017 to 09/29/2017 Series/Grade: GS-0905B Attorney Advisor-15 Salary: (USD) $131,767 - (USD) $161,900 Hiring Agency: Federal Communications Commission Duty Location: Washington, DC, US For more information, please visit the vacancy announcement located at https://careerconnector.jobs.treas.gov/cc/fcc/vacancy/viewVacancyDetail!execute.hms?orgId=1751&jnum=155499. 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From LBlake at nfb.org Thu Sep 14 13:31:41 2017 From: LBlake at nfb.org (Blake, Lou Ann) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2017 13:31:41 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] 2018 Jacobus tenBroek Disability Law Symposium Message-ID: Save the Date! 2018 Jacobus tenBroek Disability Law Symposium March 22-23, 2018 Mark your calendar to attend the Jacobus tenBroek Disability Law Symposium, "Fifty Years After tenBroek: The Right to Live in the World Today and Tomorrow," at the National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute on March 22-23, 2018. The symposium will feature keynote speakers, plenary sessions, and workshops. Don't miss this opportunity to learn from and network with many of the leading disability rights advocates from throughout the United States! Request for Workshop Proposals All interested persons are invited to submit proposals for a one-hour workshop on one or more topics of your choice. The NFB Steering Committee will review and select submissions to create an exciting, well-balanced program. Workshop topics may fit within the broad theme of a plenary session, or they may be something entirely different. The broad plenary session topics for the 2018 symposium will be as follows: * Discrimination against Tenants with Disabilities * The Impacts of Integration of Students with Disabilities into the Public Education System * Separate and Unequal in Employment * Law Enforcement and Disability * Disparities in Health Care Submission Deadline: All workshop proposals are due via email to Stacie Dubnow, by Friday, October 13, 2017. Individuals who submit a proposal will be notified of the NFB's decision by December 1, 2017. How to Apply: Email a one-page workshop proposal on or before October 13, 2017 that includes the following information: 1. Name of presenter(s) and organization(s) 2. Contact telephone number, and email address 3. Workshop title 4. 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The symposium will feature keynote speakers, plenary sessions, and workshops. Don't miss this opportunity to learn from and network with many of the leading disability rights advocates from throughout the United States! Request for Workshop Proposals All interested persons are invited to submit proposals for a one-hour workshop on one or more topics of your choice. The NFB Steering Committee will review and select submissions to create an exciting, well-balanced program. Workshop topics may fit within the broad theme of a plenary session, or they may be something entirely different. The broad plenary session topics for the 2018 symposium will be as follows: * Discrimination against Tenants with Disabilities * The Impacts of Integration of Students with Disabilities into the Public Education System * Separate and Unequal in Employment * Law Enforcement and Disability * Disparities in Health Care Submission Deadline: All workshop proposals are due via email to Stacie Dubnow, by Friday, October 13, 2017. Individuals who submit a proposal will be notified of the NFB's decision by December 1, 2017. How to Apply: Email a one-page workshop proposal on or before October 13, 2017 that includes the following information: 1. Name of presenter(s) and organization(s) 2. Contact telephone number, and email address 3. Workshop title 4. Description of the workshop, including its main goals, the relevancy and timeliness of the topic/issues to be addressed, and whether you have presented the workshop before 5. Please attach a current CV for each presenter Additional Information Be sure to visit the law symposium web page during the coming months for agenda, registration, and hotel information. You will also find links to recordings and transcripts of the 2008 -2017 symposia on this web page. Stacie Dubnow, J.D. Project Manager 200 East Wells Street, Baltimore, MD 21230 (410) 659-9314, Ext. 2442 | sdubnow at nfb.org [National Federation of the Blind] [Facebook] [Twitter] [Youtube] The National Federation of the Blind is a community of members and friends who believe in the hopes and dreams of the nation's blind. Every day we work together to help blind people live the lives they want. Disclaimer The information contained in this communication from the sender is confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others authorized to receive it. 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Name: image003.png Type: image/png Size: 2065 bytes Desc: image003.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image004.png Type: image/png Size: 2282 bytes Desc: image004.png URL: From mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com Sat Sep 16 01:32:18 2017 From: mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com (Marcos Rodrigues) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2017 01:32:18 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Accessible Discovery Review Platforms? In-Reply-To: References: <006601d3273b$00ea5fb0$02bf1f10$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi: Relativity is a internet based program, so all the commands you use to navigate on a web page works for relativity. Regarding opening a document, you just hit enter at the document that you want to select from the list and it will be opened in a couple of seconds. There are a couple of way you can view the document (viewer mode, extracted test, native and image). I like the extracted version a lot and sometimes use the native when I need to run a search at, for example, a large spreadsheet or pdf. The viewer mode has some graphics on it and is useful when the extracted test takes too long to load. The only thing I don’t think is accessible is doing redactions on documents, at least I was never able to do it. I know that there is a search option on the initial page of relativity but never used it but I think it works like a web search. Concerning tagging, if you hit enter on edit when you are in a document, the tagging panel will pop up and you can tag the document pressing the space bar at the option you want. Let me know if you have any other questions. Regards. Marcos Rodrigues mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com On 7 Sep 2017, at 02:25, Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw > wrote: Hi Marcos Could you please point us to any material that explains how to use Relativity with the keyboard? How would I do a search, open a document and tag it, using the keyboard and jaws for example? Thanks so much. Ger On 9/7/17, Marcos Rodrigues via BlindLaw > wrote: It works with the keyboard, no mouse is needed. Regards. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 6, 2017, at 2:12 PM, Luis Mendez via BlindLaw > wrote: Good afternoon: Do you have to use the mouse, or does Relativity work well with keyboard commands and web navigation keys? Luis -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marcos Rodrigues via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 7:44 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Marcos Rodrigues > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Accessible Discovery Review Platforms? Hi all. I use Relativity and it works really well with google crome and NVDA. I also tried kroll but the software is very inaccessible. Regards. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 5, 2017, at 7:31 PM, Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw > wrote: Hi all I've asked about the experiences of others using accessible discovery platforms on the list before. I ask for experiences, suggestions and recommendations again, in case something has changed and/or someone has some useful insight to share. Kind regards Ger _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrodrigues81%40h otmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrodrigues81%40hotmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrodrigues81%40hotmail.com From laura.wolk at gmail.com Sat Sep 16 02:40:32 2017 From: laura.wolk at gmail.com (Laura Wolk) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2017 22:40:32 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Slightly O/T, Multiple Jaws Bugs Causing Productivity Issues Message-ID: Hello List, Apologies for the slightly off-topic post. I have recently had to uninstall and reinstall windows on my personal laptop. I've also recently started a new job, where they have recently installed jaws as well. I am now experiencing multiple issues on both computers with Jaws and word 2013, most acutely when working within footnotes. I am hoping someone with computer and jaws expertise would be willing to contact me off list to try resolving some of these issues. Laptop is running windows 7, work computer windows 10. Both have Microsoft Word 2013 and Jaws 18. Thanks in advance. My email is laura.wolk at gmail.com. Best, Laura From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com Sat Sep 16 06:10:17 2017 From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2017 07:10:17 +0100 Subject: [blindlaw] Accessible Discovery Review Platforms? In-Reply-To: References: <006601d3273b$00ea5fb0$02bf1f10$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Marcos, all I think this is an extremely important development, potentially, thanks. Have you used this with JAWS, and/or Internet Explorer or Firefox? Thanks again. Ger On 9/16/17, Marcos Rodrigues via BlindLaw wrote: > Hi: > > Relativity is a internet based program, so all the commands you use to > navigate on a web page works for relativity. > > Regarding opening a document, you just hit enter at the document that you > want to select from the list and it will be opened in a couple of seconds. > There are a couple of way you can view the document (viewer mode, extracted > test, native and image). > > I like the extracted version a lot and sometimes use the native when I need > to run a search at, for example, a large spreadsheet or pdf. The viewer mode > has some graphics on it and is useful when the extracted test takes too long > to load. > > The only thing I don’t think is accessible is doing redactions on documents, > at least I was never able to do it. > > I know that there is a search option on the initial page of relativity but > never used it but I think it works like a web search. > > Concerning tagging, if you hit enter on edit when you are in a document, the > tagging panel will pop up and you can tag the document pressing the space > bar at the option you want. > > Let me know if you have any other questions. > > Regards. > Marcos Rodrigues > mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com > > > > On 7 Sep 2017, at 02:25, Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw > > wrote: > > Hi Marcos > > Could you please point us to any material that explains how to use > Relativity with the keyboard? How would I do a search, open a document > and tag it, using the keyboard and jaws for example? > > Thanks so much. > > Ger > > On 9/7/17, Marcos Rodrigues via BlindLaw > > wrote: > It works with the keyboard, no mouse is needed. > > Regards. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 6, 2017, at 2:12 PM, Luis Mendez via BlindLaw > > > wrote: > > Good afternoon: > > Do you have to use the mouse, or does Relativity work well with keyboard > commands and web navigation keys? > > Luis > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marcos > Rodrigues via BlindLaw > Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 7:44 PM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > > > Cc: Marcos Rodrigues > > > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Accessible Discovery Review Platforms? > > Hi all. > > I use Relativity and it works really well with google crome and NVDA. > > I also tried kroll but the software is very inaccessible. > > Regards. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Sep 5, 2017, at 7:31 PM, Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw > > wrote: > > Hi all > > I've asked about the experiences of others using accessible discovery > platforms on the list before. I ask for experiences, suggestions and > recommendations again, in case something has changed and/or someone > has some useful insight to share. > > Kind regards > > Ger > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrodrigues81%40h > otmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrodrigues81%40hotmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrodrigues81%40hotmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com From legal at s.ai Sat Sep 16 08:21:31 2017 From: legal at s.ai (Sai) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2017 09:21:31 +0100 Subject: [blindlaw] H.R.620 - ADA Education and Reform Act of 2017 Message-ID: FYI, this is a recent bill that y'all may want to organize against. In short, it prohibits suing under the ADA for architectural barriers in public accommodations without first a) giving detailed written notice to the owner, b) waiting 2 months for them to acknowledge the issue, and c) waiting another 6 months after that for them to make "substantial process" — unless there's "actual notice" that they don't intend to comply. It also requires the Judicial Conference to start a program to amend FRCP 16 to move such cases into ADR without discovery. Looks like it's passing the House Judiciary Committee and on track for floor vote. Cosponsored by 12 Ds & 40 Rs. One withdrew cosponsorship (Suozzi, D-NY). No Senate companion bill yet that I can find. ACLU writeup (authors CC'd): Full text: Congressional summary: "The bill prohibits civil actions based on the failure to remove an architectural barrier to access into an existing public accommodation unless: (1) the aggrieved person has provided to the owners or operators a written notice specific enough to identify the barrier, and (2) the owners or operators fail to provide the person with a written description outlining improvements that will be made to improve the barrier or they fail to remove the barrier or make substantial progress after providing such a description. The aggrieved person's notice must specify: (1) the address of the property, (2) the specific ADA sections alleged to have been violated, (3) whether a request for assistance in removing an architectural barrier was made, and (4) whether the barrier was permanent or temporary." Feel free to forward however you like. Sincerely, Sai From PChang at nfb.org Sat Sep 16 18:01:00 2017 From: PChang at nfb.org (Chang, Patti) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2017 18:01:00 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] H.R.620 - ADA Education and Reform Act of 2017 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: WE are already on it. Our last legislative alert focused on that bill. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sai via BlindLaw Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2017 3:22 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List; ProtectCivilJustice at googlegroups.com; Haben Girma Cc: Sai; Vania Leveille; Tyler Ray Subject: [blindlaw] H.R.620 - ADA Education and Reform Act of 2017 FYI, this is a recent bill that y'all may want to organize against. In short, it prohibits suing under the ADA for architectural barriers in public accommodations without first a) giving detailed written notice to the owner, b) waiting 2 months for them to acknowledge the issue, and c) waiting another 6 months after that for them to make "substantial process" — unless there's "actual notice" that they don't intend to comply. It also requires the Judicial Conference to start a program to amend FRCP 16 to move such cases into ADR without discovery. Looks like it's passing the House Judiciary Committee and on track for floor vote. Cosponsored by 12 Ds & 40 Rs. One withdrew cosponsorship (Suozzi, D-NY). No Senate companion bill yet that I can find. ACLU writeup (authors CC'd): Full text: Congressional summary: "The bill prohibits civil actions based on the failure to remove an architectural barrier to access into an existing public accommodation unless: (1) the aggrieved person has provided to the owners or operators a written notice specific enough to identify the barrier, and (2) the owners or operators fail to provide the person with a written description outlining improvements that will be made to improve the barrier or they fail to remove the barrier or make substantial progress after providing such a description. The aggrieved person's notice must specify: (1) the address of the property, (2) the specific ADA sections alleged to have been violated, (3) whether a request for assistance in removing an architectural barrier was made, and (4) whether the barrier was permanent or temporary." Feel free to forward however you like. Sincerely, Sai _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/pchang%40nfb.org Disclaimer The information contained in this communication from the sender is confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others authorized to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in relation of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. This email has been scanned for viruses and malware, and may have been automatically archived by Mimecast Ltd, an innovator in Software as a Service (SaaS) for business. Providing a safer and more useful place for your human generated data. Specializing in; Security, archiving and compliance. To find out more visit the Mimecast website. From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Mon Sep 18 22:48:32 2017 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 22:48:32 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Seeking advocacy assistance for college accommodations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am only now getting to listserv e-mails posted back in July. If it isn't too late for you, you could file a complaint with the U.S. Department of Education's Office for Civil Rights on-line at www.ed.gov/ocr. OCR only has authority over discrimination that occurred within the 180-day period preceding the filing of the complaint, though. Noel -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Mohnke via BlindLaw Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 10:05 AM To: NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List; National Association of Blind Students mailing list; Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke Subject: [blindlaw] Seeking advocacy assistance for college accommodations Hello all, Last semester I was denied accommodations for a math class. When I contacted the national Center, I was advised to file an official complaint with my college. However, I found it rather difficult to complete the complaint form on my own, and the national office was not willing to provide any assistance in helping me Phil out the complaint form. So I have not done anything to follow up with the lack of accommodations I received last semester as I had a difficult time keeping up with my classes when I got sick during the second half of the semester. I would like to be able to continue taking classes so I can complete my degree even though I've been told that it will most likely not mean anything. However, I am not quite sure how to go about receiving the accommodations I need for my math classes. Since I do not know Braille very well, or how to make a computer read all of the math symbols, I have found that using a reader for my math classes works the best for me. However, last semester my disabilities office provided me with a reader Who was not qualified to read math, and would not allow me to use any other reader besides the one they had a sign to me including my own reader, so I was forced to drop my math class due to a lack of accommodations. I am not completely sure where to go from here in terms of being able to receive the accommodations I need for my math classes. I have been told that the dean of students would like to talk to me. But I am not completely sure what to say to her, and I do not feel comfortable meeting with her on my own. The college has a past history of being rather hostile and aggressive towards me. So I do not feel comfortable meeting with people at my college on my own when I am not completely sure what the purpose of the meeting is supposed to be. Anyway, if there is anyone out there Who would be willing to help me receive the accommodations I need for my math classes, I would greatly appreciate hearing from you off list. I feel as though I have not had much success in contacting individual people, so I thought I would send out a mass email to see if this might help me find someone who is willing and able to help provide me with some advocacy assistance and receiving the accommodations I need for my math classes. Thanks, Elizabeth Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/noel.nightingale%40ed.gov From NSingh at cov.com Tue Sep 19 19:02:14 2017 From: NSingh at cov.com (Singh, Nandini) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 19:02:14 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Slightly OT: Accessing Settings Menu on Windows 10 Enterprise Message-ID: <0c3ce54818024748a22e82c73dece820@CBIvEX02eUS.cov.com> All, I was wondering, among those of you using a Windows 10 Enterprise Anniversary edition operating system, do you find that JAWS (version 17) works well on this? I ask because JAWS does not read certain things, such as the items in the start menu or the settings menu. Both my firm's IT and I asked Freedom, and Freedom had no answers as to why this was happening. My only other guessis that some firm security/firewall software, of which we have an ample amount, is interfering with JAWS' fully functioning. It is annoying because you need to access the settings menu in order to get internet, and I do not feel all that comfortable allowing just anyone to use a firm-issued laptop. I have tried using a separate client, like AT&T, to get internet as a way to bypass the start menu/settings menus, but this is behaving strangely, too. I have not been able to get it to work quite right, even though I know the AT&T client is supposed to be JAWS-friendly. I am only further confused because I do not have any of these issues when using my Windows 10 computer at home. Thoughts? Regards, Nikki From amatney at hf-law.com Tue Sep 19 19:48:00 2017 From: amatney at hf-law.com (Angela Matney) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 19:48:00 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Hard Drive Encryption Message-ID: <20AA0861082775448814F89F818F6472DFA58B0D@Exch-DB.hirschlerfleischer.com> Hello everyone: Is anyone using an accessible product that allows encryption of a PC at the disc level? I have thought of using Seeing AI to scan for a password prompt, but our IT department has said that if there is a more accessible solution, they would prefer to go that route and install a program that meets everyone’s needs. (I have to commend them for proactively coming to me with this question.) Thanks for any suggestions. Angie Angela R. Matney, CIPP/US Hirschler Fleischer 725 Jackson Street, Suite 200 | Fredericksburg, VA 22401-5720 p: 540.604.2117 | f: 540.604.2101 amatney at hf-law.com | www.hf-law.com Hirschler Fleischer, A Professional Corporation Confidentiality Note: This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may be protected by legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by returning it to the sender and delete this copy from your system. Thank you for your cooperation. From angie.matney at gmail.com Tue Sep 19 19:53:21 2017 From: angie.matney at gmail.com (Angie Matney) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 15:53:21 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Slightly OT: Accessing Settings Menu on Windows 10 Enterprise In-Reply-To: <0c3ce54818024748a22e82c73dece820@CBIvEX02eUS.cov.com> References: <0c3ce54818024748a22e82c73dece820@CBIvEX02eUS.cov.com> Message-ID: <0F18BE92-5AC5-45FC-8B4B-5672F4B95969@gmail.com> Nikki, not a full solution, but can you access the internet by using the run command windows-r? You could go to google that way and then go to whereever you need from there. Good luck with finding a solution. Angie Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 19, 2017, at 3:02 PM, Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw wrote: > > All, > > I was wondering, among those of you using a Windows 10 Enterprise Anniversary edition operating system, do you find that JAWS (version 17) works well on this? I ask because JAWS does not read certain things, such as the items in the start menu or the settings menu. Both my firm's IT and I asked Freedom, and Freedom had no answers as to why this was happening. My only other guessis that some firm security/firewall software, of which we have an ample amount, is interfering with JAWS' fully functioning. > > It is annoying because you need to access the settings menu in order to get internet, and I do not feel all that comfortable allowing just anyone to use a firm-issued laptop. I have tried using a separate client, like AT&T, to get internet as a way to bypass the start menu/settings menus, but this is behaving strangely, too. I have not been able to get it to work quite right, even though I know the AT&T client is supposed to be JAWS-friendly. I am only further confused because I do not have any of these issues when using my Windows 10 computer at home. Thoughts? > > Regards, > Nikki > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/angie.matney%40gmail.com From NSingh at cov.com Tue Sep 19 20:12:11 2017 From: NSingh at cov.com (Singh, Nandini) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 20:12:11 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Slightly OT: Accessing Settings Menu on Windows 10 Enterprise In-Reply-To: <0F18BE92-5AC5-45FC-8B4B-5672F4B95969@gmail.com> References: <0c3ce54818024748a22e82c73dece820@CBIvEX02eUS.cov.com> <0F18BE92-5AC5-45FC-8B4B-5672F4B95969@gmail.com> Message-ID: <237e93ba033144729b334c289cb60fa3@CBIvEX03eUS.cov.com> Thanks. But I think that does not work because you still need to be on a network for internet access, and the issue is getting onto a wireless network to get internet access in the first place. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Angie Matney via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 3:53 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Angie Matney Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Slightly OT: Accessing Settings Menu on Windows 10 Enterprise Nikki, not a full solution, but can you access the internet by using the run command windows-r? You could go to google that way and then go to whereever you need from there. Good luck with finding a solution. Angie Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 19, 2017, at 3:02 PM, Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw wrote: > > All, > > I was wondering, among those of you using a Windows 10 Enterprise Anniversary edition operating system, do you find that JAWS (version 17) works well on this? I ask because JAWS does not read certain things, such as the items in the start menu or the settings menu. Both my firm's IT and I asked Freedom, and Freedom had no answers as to why this was happening. My only other guessis that some firm security/firewall software, of which we have an ample amount, is interfering with JAWS' fully functioning. > > It is annoying because you need to access the settings menu in order to get internet, and I do not feel all that comfortable allowing just anyone to use a firm-issued laptop. I have tried using a separate client, like AT&T, to get internet as a way to bypass the start menu/settings menus, but this is behaving strangely, too. I have not been able to get it to work quite right, even though I know the AT&T client is supposed to be JAWS-friendly. I am only further confused because I do not have any of these issues when using my Windows 10 computer at home. Thoughts? > > Regards, > Nikki > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/angie.matney%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/nsingh%40cov.com From angie.matney at gmail.com Tue Sep 19 20:23:41 2017 From: angie.matney at gmail.com (Angie Matney) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 16:23:41 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Slightly OT: Accessing Settings Menu on Windows 10 Enterprise In-Reply-To: <237e93ba033144729b334c289cb60fa3@CBIvEX03eUS.cov.com> References: <0c3ce54818024748a22e82c73dece820@CBIvEX02eUS.cov.com> <0F18BE92-5AC5-45FC-8B4B-5672F4B95969@gmail.com> <237e93ba033144729b334c289cb60fa3@CBIvEX03eUS.cov.com> Message-ID: Ah, I understand. That could be problematic. I use a laptop in my office and was contemplating that scenario. (I use VPN away from the office, but we are still on Windows 7—our IT department is very, very cautious with OS updates, so we probably will keep using 7 as long as we can). Have you tried searching for "wireless network" in the search box? Sorry if I'm suggesting things that won't work at this point. I do understand your hesitation to let someone else drive the laptop. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 19, 2017, at 4:12 PM, Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw wrote: > > Thanks. But I think that does not work because you still need to be on a network for internet access, and the issue is getting onto a wireless network to get internet access in the first place. > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Angie Matney via BlindLaw > Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 3:53 PM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Angie Matney > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Slightly OT: Accessing Settings Menu on Windows 10 Enterprise > > Nikki, not a full solution, but can you access the internet by using the run command windows-r? You could go to google that way and then go to whereever you need from there. > > Good luck with finding a solution. > > Angie > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 19, 2017, at 3:02 PM, Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw wrote: >> >> All, >> >> I was wondering, among those of you using a Windows 10 Enterprise Anniversary edition operating system, do you find that JAWS (version 17) works well on this? I ask because JAWS does not read certain things, such as the items in the start menu or the settings menu. Both my firm's IT and I asked Freedom, and Freedom had no answers as to why this was happening. My only other guessis that some firm security/firewall software, of which we have an ample amount, is interfering with JAWS' fully functioning. >> >> It is annoying because you need to access the settings menu in order to get internet, and I do not feel all that comfortable allowing just anyone to use a firm-issued laptop. I have tried using a separate client, like AT&T, to get internet as a way to bypass the start menu/settings menus, but this is behaving strangely, too. I have not been able to get it to work quite right, even though I know the AT&T client is supposed to be JAWS-friendly. I am only further confused because I do not have any of these issues when using my Windows 10 computer at home. Thoughts? >> >> Regards, >> Nikki >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/angie.matney%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/nsingh%40cov.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/angie.matney%40gmail.com From NSingh at cov.com Tue Sep 19 20:28:39 2017 From: NSingh at cov.com (Singh, Nandini) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 20:28:39 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Slightly OT: Accessing Settings Menu on Windows 10 Enterprise In-Reply-To: References: <0c3ce54818024748a22e82c73dece820@CBIvEX02eUS.cov.com> <0F18BE92-5AC5-45FC-8B4B-5672F4B95969@gmail.com> <237e93ba033144729b334c289cb60fa3@CBIvEX03eUS.cov.com> Message-ID: Thanks. So the start menu with its attending features is selectively inaccessible, making it worthless to me. If the search box is read correctly by JAWS, I shall try searching for network. However, I think that once I get there, I will still have an inaccessible window that I know is displaying all the names of wireless networks. My firm is very ambitious with updates for cybersecurity reasons. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Angie Matney via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 4:24 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Angie Matney Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Slightly OT: Accessing Settings Menu on Windows 10 Enterprise Ah, I understand. That could be problematic. I use a laptop in my office and was contemplating that scenario. (I use VPN away from the office, but we are still on Windows 7—our IT department is very, very cautious with OS updates, so we probably will keep using 7 as long as we can). Have you tried searching for "wireless network" in the search box? Sorry if I'm suggesting things that won't work at this point. I do understand your hesitation to let someone else drive the laptop. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 19, 2017, at 4:12 PM, Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw wrote: > > Thanks. But I think that does not work because you still need to be on a network for internet access, and the issue is getting onto a wireless network to get internet access in the first place. > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Angie Matney via BlindLaw > Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 3:53 PM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Angie Matney > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Slightly OT: Accessing Settings Menu on Windows 10 Enterprise > > Nikki, not a full solution, but can you access the internet by using the run command windows-r? You could go to google that way and then go to whereever you need from there. > > Good luck with finding a solution. > > Angie > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 19, 2017, at 3:02 PM, Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw wrote: >> >> All, >> >> I was wondering, among those of you using a Windows 10 Enterprise Anniversary edition operating system, do you find that JAWS (version 17) works well on this? I ask because JAWS does not read certain things, such as the items in the start menu or the settings menu. Both my firm's IT and I asked Freedom, and Freedom had no answers as to why this was happening. My only other guessis that some firm security/firewall software, of which we have an ample amount, is interfering with JAWS' fully functioning. >> >> It is annoying because you need to access the settings menu in order to get internet, and I do not feel all that comfortable allowing just anyone to use a firm-issued laptop. I have tried using a separate client, like AT&T, to get internet as a way to bypass the start menu/settings menus, but this is behaving strangely, too. I have not been able to get it to work quite right, even though I know the AT&T client is supposed to be JAWS-friendly. I am only further confused because I do not have any of these issues when using my Windows 10 computer at home. Thoughts? >> >> Regards, >> Nikki >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/angie.matney%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/nsingh%40cov.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/angie.matney%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/nsingh%40cov.com From angie.matney at gmail.com Tue Sep 19 20:34:54 2017 From: angie.matney at gmail.com (Angie Matney) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 16:34:54 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Slightly OT: Accessing Settings Menu on Windows 10 Enterprise In-Reply-To: References: <0c3ce54818024748a22e82c73dece820@CBIvEX02eUS.cov.com> <0F18BE92-5AC5-45FC-8B4B-5672F4B95969@gmail.com> <237e93ba033144729b334c289cb60fa3@CBIvEX03eUS.cov.com> Message-ID: This is very possible. (My firm patches Windows 7 but has been hesitant to switch from 7 to 10 for productivity reasons, so I haven't had to deal with VPN in that context.) Good luck. I hope you find a solution soon. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 19, 2017, at 4:28 PM, Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw wrote: > > Thanks. So the start menu with its attending features is selectively inaccessible, making it worthless to me. If the search box is read correctly by JAWS, I shall try searching for network. However, I think that once I get there, I will still have an inaccessible window that I know is displaying all the names of wireless networks. > > My firm is very ambitious with updates for cybersecurity reasons. > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Angie Matney via BlindLaw > Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 4:24 PM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Angie Matney > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Slightly OT: Accessing Settings Menu on Windows 10 Enterprise > > Ah, I understand. That could be problematic. I use a laptop in my office and was contemplating that scenario. (I use VPN away from the office, but we are still on Windows 7—our IT department is very, very cautious with OS updates, so we probably will keep using 7 as long as we can). Have you tried searching for "wireless network" in the search box? Sorry if I'm suggesting things that won't work at this point. I do understand your hesitation to let someone else drive the laptop. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 19, 2017, at 4:12 PM, Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw wrote: >> >> Thanks. But I think that does not work because you still need to be on a network for internet access, and the issue is getting onto a wireless network to get internet access in the first place. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Angie Matney via BlindLaw >> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 3:53 PM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Cc: Angie Matney >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Slightly OT: Accessing Settings Menu on Windows 10 Enterprise >> >> Nikki, not a full solution, but can you access the internet by using the run command windows-r? You could go to google that way and then go to whereever you need from there. >> >> Good luck with finding a solution. >> >> Angie >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 19, 2017, at 3:02 PM, Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw wrote: >>> >>> All, >>> >>> I was wondering, among those of you using a Windows 10 Enterprise Anniversary edition operating system, do you find that JAWS (version 17) works well on this? I ask because JAWS does not read certain things, such as the items in the start menu or the settings menu. Both my firm's IT and I asked Freedom, and Freedom had no answers as to why this was happening. My only other guessis that some firm security/firewall software, of which we have an ample amount, is interfering with JAWS' fully functioning. >>> >>> It is annoying because you need to access the settings menu in order to get internet, and I do not feel all that comfortable allowing just anyone to use a firm-issued laptop. I have tried using a separate client, like AT&T, to get internet as a way to bypass the start menu/settings menus, but this is behaving strangely, too. I have not been able to get it to work quite right, even though I know the AT&T client is supposed to be JAWS-friendly. I am only further confused because I do not have any of these issues when using my Windows 10 computer at home. Thoughts? >>> >>> Regards, >>> Nikki >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/angie.matney%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/nsingh%40cov.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/angie.matney%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/nsingh%40cov.com > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/angie.matney%40gmail.com From al.elia at aol.com Tue Sep 19 20:36:23 2017 From: al.elia at aol.com (Al Elia) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 16:36:23 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Hard Drive Encryption In-Reply-To: <20AA0861082775448814F89F818F6472DFA58B0D@Exch-DB.hirschlerfleischer.com> References: <20AA0861082775448814F89F818F6472DFA58B0D@Exch-DB.hirschlerfleischer.com> Message-ID: I'm told that BitLocker is accessible in Windows 10. FileVault is also accessible if you're using a mac, but I'm guessing you're not. On 19 Sep 2017, at 15:48, Angela Matney via BlindLaw wrote: > Hello everyone: > > Is anyone using an accessible product that allows encryption of a PC > at the disc level? I have thought of using Seeing AI to scan for a > password prompt, but our IT department has said that if there is a > more accessible solution, they would prefer to go that route and > install a program that meets everyone’s needs. (I have to commend > them for proactively coming to me with this question.) > > Thanks for any suggestions. > > Angie > > > Angela R. Matney, CIPP/US > Hirschler Fleischer > 725 Jackson Street, Suite 200 | Fredericksburg, VA 22401-5720 > p: 540.604.2117 | f: 540.604.2101 > amatney at hf-law.com | www.hf-law.com > > > > > Hirschler Fleischer, A Professional Corporation Confidentiality Note: > This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may be protected > by legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware > that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or > any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in > error, please notify us immediately by returning it to the sender and > delete this copy from your system. Thank you for your cooperation. > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/al.elia%40aol.com From cannona at fireantproductions.com Tue Sep 19 20:36:37 2017 From: cannona at fireantproductions.com (Aaron Cannon) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 15:36:37 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Hard Drive Encryption In-Reply-To: <20AA0861082775448814F89F818F6472DFA58B0D@Exch-DB.hirschlerfleischer.com> References: <20AA0861082775448814F89F818F6472DFA58B0D@Exch-DB.hirschlerfleischer.com> Message-ID: I used to use Truecrypt. That software is no longer available, but it has been revived in a program called Veracrypt. In Truecrypt, I was able to reliably able to determine when the password prompt appeared by pressing the down arrow key, which would cause the computer to beep. Because the prompt appears before the operating system has even loaded, that's about as good as it gets in terms of accessibility. To be clear, I don't know if this specific feature has been carried over into Veracrypt, but I'd say it's reasonably likely. Aaron -- This message was sent from a mobile device > On Sep 19, 2017, at 14:48, Angela Matney via BlindLaw wrote: > > Hello everyone: > > Is anyone using an accessible product that allows encryption of a PC at the disc level? I have thought of using Seeing AI to scan for a password prompt, but our IT department has said that if there is a more accessible solution, they would prefer to go that route and install a program that meets everyone’s needs. (I have to commend them for proactively coming to me with this question.) > > Thanks for any suggestions. > > Angie > > > Angela R. Matney, CIPP/US > Hirschler Fleischer > 725 Jackson Street, Suite 200 | Fredericksburg, VA 22401-5720 > p: 540.604.2117 | f: 540.604.2101 > amatney at hf-law.com | www.hf-law.com > > > > > Hirschler Fleischer, A Professional Corporation Confidentiality Note: This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may be protected by legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by returning it to the sender and delete this copy from your system. Thank you for your cooperation. > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/cannona%40fireantproductions.com From angie.matney at gmail.com Tue Sep 19 20:48:21 2017 From: angie.matney at gmail.com (Angie Matney) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 16:48:21 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Hard Drive Encryption In-Reply-To: References: <20AA0861082775448814F89F818F6472DFA58B0D@Exch-DB.hirschlerfleischer.com> Message-ID: <8DAAB839-718F-46E0-B2F1-7414DB5BAAC7@gmail.com> No, using a Windows 7 64-bit machine. Thanks though. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 19, 2017, at 4:36 PM, Al Elia via BlindLaw wrote: > > I'm told that BitLocker is accessible in Windows 10. FileVault is also accessible if you're using a mac, but I'm guessing you're not. > > >> On 19 Sep 2017, at 15:48, Angela Matney via BlindLaw wrote: >> >> Hello everyone: >> >> Is anyone using an accessible product that allows encryption of a PC at the disc level? I have thought of using Seeing AI to scan for a password prompt, but our IT department has said that if there is a more accessible solution, they would prefer to go that route and install a program that meets everyone’s needs. (I have to commend them for proactively coming to me with this question.) >> >> Thanks for any suggestions. >> >> Angie >> >> >> Angela R. Matney, CIPP/US >> Hirschler Fleischer >> 725 Jackson Street, Suite 200 | Fredericksburg, VA 22401-5720 >> p: 540.604.2117 | f: 540.604.2101 >> amatney at hf-law.com | www.hf-law.com >> >> >> >> >> Hirschler Fleischer, A Professional Corporation Confidentiality Note: This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may be protected by legal privilege. 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Thank you for your cooperation. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/al.elia%40aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/angie.matney%40gmail.com From NSingh at cov.com Tue Sep 19 20:59:27 2017 From: NSingh at cov.com (Singh, Nandini) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 20:59:27 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Hard Drive Encryption In-Reply-To: References: <20AA0861082775448814F89F818F6472DFA58B0D@Exch-DB.hirschlerfleischer.com> Message-ID: <7f5693c0861c441c927b22c6d1cd63e5@CBIvEX03eUS.cov.com> From what I have seen with my limited use of BITLocker on Windows 10, it is accessible. I say limited because again for cybersecurity reasons, IT does not want the attorneys doing the encrypting. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Al Elia via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 4:36 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Al Elia Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Hard Drive Encryption I'm told that BitLocker is accessible in Windows 10. FileVault is also accessible if you're using a mac, but I'm guessing you're not. On 19 Sep 2017, at 15:48, Angela Matney via BlindLaw wrote: > Hello everyone: > > Is anyone using an accessible product that allows encryption of a PC > at the disc level? I have thought of using Seeing AI to scan for a > password prompt, but our IT department has said that if there is a > more accessible solution, they would prefer to go that route and > install a program that meets everyone’s needs. (I have to commend > them for proactively coming to me with this question.) > > Thanks for any suggestions. > > Angie > > > Angela R. Matney, CIPP/US > Hirschler Fleischer > 725 Jackson Street, Suite 200 | Fredericksburg, VA 22401-5720 > p: 540.604.2117 | f: 540.604.2101 > amatney at hf-law.com | www.hf-law.com > > > > > Hirschler Fleischer, A Professional Corporation Confidentiality Note: > This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may be protected > by legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware > that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or > any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in > error, please notify us immediately by returning it to the sender and > delete this copy from your system. Thank you for your cooperation. > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/al.elia%40aol.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/nsingh%40cov.com From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com Tue Sep 19 21:00:53 2017 From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 22:00:53 +0100 Subject: [blindlaw] Hard Drive Encryption In-Reply-To: <8DAAB839-718F-46E0-B2F1-7414DB5BAAC7@gmail.com> References: <20AA0861082775448814F89F818F6472DFA58B0D@Exch-DB.hirschlerfleischer.com> <8DAAB839-718F-46E0-B2F1-7414DB5BAAC7@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Angie, I use Sophos End Point Security. I turn on the laptop and a screen requiring my username and password comes up automatically. I know I need to enter my username, then press tab and enter my password and have been able to do this without difficulty. Kind regards Ger On 9/19/17, Angie Matney via BlindLaw wrote: > No, using a Windows 7 64-bit machine. Thanks though. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 19, 2017, at 4:36 PM, Al Elia via BlindLaw >> wrote: >> >> I'm told that BitLocker is accessible in Windows 10. FileVault is also >> accessible if you're using a mac, but I'm guessing you're not. >> >> >>> On 19 Sep 2017, at 15:48, Angela Matney via BlindLaw wrote: >>> >>> Hello everyone: >>> >>> Is anyone using an accessible product that allows encryption of a PC at >>> the disc level? I have thought of using Seeing AI to scan for a password >>> prompt, but our IT department has said that if there is a more accessible >>> solution, they would prefer to go that route and install a program that >>> meets everyone’s needs. (I have to commend them for proactively coming to >>> me with this question.) >>> >>> Thanks for any suggestions. >>> >>> Angie >>> >>> >>> Angela R. Matney, CIPP/US >>> Hirschler Fleischer >>> 725 Jackson Street, Suite 200 | Fredericksburg, VA 22401-5720 >>> p: 540.604.2117 | f: 540.604.2101 >>> amatney at hf-law.com | www.hf-law.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Hirschler Fleischer, A Professional Corporation Confidentiality Note: >>> This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may be protected by >>> legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any >>> disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment >>> is prohibited. 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Thank you for your cooperation. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/al.elia%40aol.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/angie.matney%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com From angie.matney at gmail.com Tue Sep 19 21:04:59 2017 From: angie.matney at gmail.com (Angie Matney) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 17:04:59 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Hard Drive Encryption In-Reply-To: <7f5693c0861c441c927b22c6d1cd63e5@CBIvEX03eUS.cov.com> References: <20AA0861082775448814F89F818F6472DFA58B0D@Exch-DB.hirschlerfleischer.com> <7f5693c0861c441c927b22c6d1cd63e5@CBIvEX03eUS.cov.com> Message-ID: <0B03E5BF-0161-4D99-96DE-9B4F2E13B5B2@gmail.com> The firm wants to do it for all of their laptops and have asked if I can identify an accessible solution. I'll mention it with this caveat. Thanks. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 19, 2017, at 4:59 PM, Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw wrote: > > From what I have seen with my limited use of BITLocker on Windows 10, it is accessible. I say limited because again for cybersecurity reasons, IT does not want the attorneys doing the encrypting. > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Al Elia via BlindLaw > Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 4:36 PM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Al Elia > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Hard Drive Encryption > > I'm told that BitLocker is accessible in Windows 10. FileVault is also > accessible if you're using a mac, but I'm guessing you're not. > > >> On 19 Sep 2017, at 15:48, Angela Matney via BlindLaw wrote: >> >> Hello everyone: >> >> Is anyone using an accessible product that allows encryption of a PC >> at the disc level? I have thought of using Seeing AI to scan for a >> password prompt, but our IT department has said that if there is a >> more accessible solution, they would prefer to go that route and >> install a program that meets everyone’s needs. (I have to commend >> them for proactively coming to me with this question.) >> >> Thanks for any suggestions. >> >> Angie >> >> >> Angela R. Matney, CIPP/US >> Hirschler Fleischer >> 725 Jackson Street, Suite 200 | Fredericksburg, VA 22401-5720 >> p: 540.604.2117 | f: 540.604.2101 >> amatney at hf-law.com | www.hf-law.com >> >> >> >> >> Hirschler Fleischer, A Professional Corporation Confidentiality Note: >> This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may be protected >> by legal privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware >> that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or >> any attachment is prohibited. 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Thank you for your cooperation. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/al.elia%40aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/nsingh%40cov.com > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/angie.matney%40gmail.com From steve.jacobson at visi.com Tue Sep 19 21:31:27 2017 From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 16:31:27 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Slightly OT: Accessing Settings Menu on Windows 10 Enterprise In-Reply-To: <237e93ba033144729b334c289cb60fa3@CBIvEX03eUS.cov.com> References: <0c3ce54818024748a22e82c73dece820@CBIvEX02eUS.cov.com> <0F18BE92-5AC5-45FC-8B4B-5672F4B95969@gmail.com> <237e93ba033144729b334c289cb60fa3@CBIvEX03eUS.cov.com> Message-ID: <00be01d3318e$a6e32f20$f4a98d60$@visi.com> Nikki, Several variations of this problem has arisen with Windows 10 and screen readers, and there seems to be an unknown variable in the mix that causes it. First, while not ideal, try reading the current line with INSERT and UP ARROW to see if it might read the currently selected control. One of my computers is not automatically reading controls when I move around, but INSERT UP ARROW is reading what is currently selected. This gets me by on that machine although I am still looking for some better solution. Second, if your computer was upgraded to Windows 10 with JFW already installed, uninstall JAWS and then install it again. This has been known to solve the problem. In fact, even if Windows was installed new, uninstalling and installing JAWS might be worth trying because you have probably received Windows 10 updates since you installed JAWS the first time. Something may have changed because of the Windows Update that will cause JAWS to work right when installed again. Third, to just get by for now, try Narrator or NVDA just to get your settings working. Narrator is already installed with Windows 10 but there is a bit more of a learning curve in my opinion. NVDA is free, but if your employer maintains your machine, they may not permit you to install it. They may install it for you, though, to help figure this out. However, Narrator is part of the Windows operating system and you already have it installed. Narrator, under Windows 10, is more powerful than it was previously, but you will still want to use JAWS to get your work done. Again, this is only to help you get settings the way you want them. . You should be able to close Narrator or NVDA and restart JAWS. To try Narrator, you should be able to press WINDOWS CNTRL ENTER. To stop Narrator with a hot key, press CAPSLOCK and ESCAPE. If your laptop is owned and maintained by your employer, you may need to ask which version of Windows 10 you are running. For example, if WINDOWS CNTRL ENTER does not start Narrator, try WINDOWS and ENTER. However, if WINDOWS ENTER starts Narrator, you are using an early version of Windows 10, and that could be part of the JAWS problem. You may need to ask your employer to allow Windows to be updated. I hope that something here at least helps you get by for now. It is likely that between JAWS and Microsoft updates, the problem will be resolved in time, but I understand it is nevertheless a real difficulty right now and most of my suggestions will just help you get by. Best regards, Steve Jacobson -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 3:12 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Singh, Nandini Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Slightly OT: Accessing Settings Menu on Windows 10 Enterprise Thanks. But I think that does not work because you still need to be on a network for internet access, and the issue is getting onto a wireless network to get internet access in the first place. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Angie Matney via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 3:53 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Angie Matney Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Slightly OT: Accessing Settings Menu on Windows 10 Enterprise Nikki, not a full solution, but can you access the internet by using the run command windows-r? You could go to google that way and then go to whereever you need from there. Good luck with finding a solution. Angie Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 19, 2017, at 3:02 PM, Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw wrote: > > All, > > I was wondering, among those of you using a Windows 10 Enterprise Anniversary edition operating system, do you find that JAWS (version 17) works well on this? I ask because JAWS does not read certain things, such as the items in the start menu or the settings menu. Both my firm's IT and I asked Freedom, and Freedom had no answers as to why this was happening. My only other guessis that some firm security/firewall software, of which we have an ample amount, is interfering with JAWS' fully functioning. > > It is annoying because you need to access the settings menu in order to get internet, and I do not feel all that comfortable allowing just anyone to use a firm-issued laptop. I have tried using a separate client, like AT&T, to get internet as a way to bypass the start menu/settings menus, but this is behaving strangely, too. I have not been able to get it to work quite right, even though I know the AT&T client is supposed to be JAWS-friendly. I am only further confused because I do not have any of these issues when using my Windows 10 computer at home. Thoughts? > > Regards, > Nikki > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/angie.matney%40gmail.c om _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/nsingh%40cov.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi. com From steve.jacobson at visi.com Tue Sep 19 21:37:29 2017 From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 16:37:29 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Slightly OT: Accessing Settings Menu on Windows 10 Enterprise In-Reply-To: References: <0c3ce54818024748a22e82c73dece820@CBIvEX02eUS.cov.com> <0F18BE92-5AC5-45FC-8B4B-5672F4B95969@gmail.com> <237e93ba033144729b334c289cb60fa3@CBIvEX03eUS.cov.com> Message-ID: <00c001d3318f$7ec83250$7c5896f0$@visi.com> Nikki, Another thing I forgot to mention is that you should be sure that your Default Browser is set to Internet Explorer. In addition, the default browser that displays Cortana search results should be changing when you run the search with a screen reader on, but occasionally that hasn't worked. There is a setting from within Microsoft Edge that can be changed, but your problem sounds different than that. Also, are you using the latest version of JAWS 18? Best regards, Steve Jacobson -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 3:29 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Singh, Nandini Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Slightly OT: Accessing Settings Menu on Windows 10 Enterprise Thanks. So the start menu with its attending features is selectively inaccessible, making it worthless to me. If the search box is read correctly by JAWS, I shall try searching for network. However, I think that once I get there, I will still have an inaccessible window that I know is displaying all the names of wireless networks. My firm is very ambitious with updates for cybersecurity reasons. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Angie Matney via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 4:24 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Angie Matney Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Slightly OT: Accessing Settings Menu on Windows 10 Enterprise Ah, I understand. That could be problematic. I use a laptop in my office and was contemplating that scenario. (I use VPN away from the office, but we are still on Windows 7—our IT department is very, very cautious with OS updates, so we probably will keep using 7 as long as we can). Have you tried searching for "wireless network" in the search box? Sorry if I'm suggesting things that won't work at this point. I do understand your hesitation to let someone else drive the laptop. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 19, 2017, at 4:12 PM, Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw wrote: > > Thanks. But I think that does not work because you still need to be on a network for internet access, and the issue is getting onto a wireless network to get internet access in the first place. > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Angie Matney via BlindLaw > Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 3:53 PM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Angie Matney > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Slightly OT: Accessing Settings Menu on Windows 10 Enterprise > > Nikki, not a full solution, but can you access the internet by using the run command windows-r? You could go to google that way and then go to whereever you need from there. > > Good luck with finding a solution. > > Angie > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 19, 2017, at 3:02 PM, Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw wrote: >> >> All, >> >> I was wondering, among those of you using a Windows 10 Enterprise Anniversary edition operating system, do you find that JAWS (version 17) works well on this? I ask because JAWS does not read certain things, such as the items in the start menu or the settings menu. Both my firm's IT and I asked Freedom, and Freedom had no answers as to why this was happening. My only other guessis that some firm security/firewall software, of which we have an ample amount, is interfering with JAWS' fully functioning. >> >> It is annoying because you need to access the settings menu in order to get internet, and I do not feel all that comfortable allowing just anyone to use a firm-issued laptop. I have tried using a separate client, like AT&T, to get internet as a way to bypass the start menu/settings menus, but this is behaving strangely, too. I have not been able to get it to work quite right, even though I know the AT&T client is supposed to be JAWS-friendly. I am only further confused because I do not have any of these issues when using my Windows 10 computer at home. Thoughts? >> >> Regards, >> Nikki >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/angie.matney%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/nsingh%40cov.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/angie.matney%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/nsingh%40cov.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com From NSingh at cov.com Tue Sep 19 21:50:16 2017 From: NSingh at cov.com (Singh, Nandini) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 21:50:16 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Slightly OT: Accessing Settings Menu on Windows 10 Enterprise In-Reply-To: <00be01d3318e$a6e32f20$f4a98d60$@visi.com> References: <0c3ce54818024748a22e82c73dece820@CBIvEX02eUS.cov.com> <0F18BE92-5AC5-45FC-8B4B-5672F4B95969@gmail.com> <237e93ba033144729b334c289cb60fa3@CBIvEX03eUS.cov.com> <00be01d3318e$a6e32f20$f4a98d60$@visi.com> Message-ID: <475742e1006a45dd98c2281524b73ba4@CBIvEX03eUS.cov.com> Thank you for such a thorough response. I am glad that this issue is not just me, though I am disappointed that the problem is there. My default browser is Explorer. Who knew Edge would be so inpenetrable? I am accessing the search function without using Cortana with command keystroke Windows-R, which I believe throws you back in certain functions to a Windows 7 setup. I know the same Windows structure is there under all the bells and whistles, despite how Microsoft's change to the arrangement of things at the user level. I (or rather IT) did uninstall and reinstall JAWS, which did not seem to do anything, and I shall ask if I can update JAWS to 18. I shall also play around with the key command you offered in addition to Narrator, which is a screenreader I have not used previously. I always turn it off when I activate it accidentally! -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 5:31 PM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: Steve Jacobson Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Slightly OT: Accessing Settings Menu on Windows 10 Enterprise Nikki, Several variations of this problem has arisen with Windows 10 and screen readers, and there seems to be an unknown variable in the mix that causes it. First, while not ideal, try reading the current line with INSERT and UP ARROW to see if it might read the currently selected control. One of my computers is not automatically reading controls when I move around, but INSERT UP ARROW is reading what is currently selected. This gets me by on that machine although I am still looking for some better solution. Second, if your computer was upgraded to Windows 10 with JFW already installed, uninstall JAWS and then install it again. This has been known to solve the problem. In fact, even if Windows was installed new, uninstalling and installing JAWS might be worth trying because you have probably received Windows 10 updates since you installed JAWS the first time. Something may have changed because of the Windows Update that will cause JAWS to work right when installed again. Third, to just get by for now, try Narrator or NVDA just to get your settings working. Narrator is already installed with Windows 10 but there is a bit more of a learning curve in my opinion. NVDA is free, but if your employer maintains your machine, they may not permit you to install it. They may install it for you, though, to help figure this out. However, Narrator is part of the Windows operating system and you already have it installed. Narrator, under Windows 10, is more powerful than it was previously, but you will still want to use JAWS to get your work done. Again, this is only to help you get settings the way you want them. . You should be able to close Narrator or NVDA and restart JAWS. To try Narrator, you should be able to press WINDOWS CNTRL ENTER. To stop Narrator with a hot key, press CAPSLOCK and ESCAPE. If your laptop is owned and maintained by your employer, you may need to ask which version of Windows 10 you are running. For example, if WINDOWS CNTRL ENTER does not start Narrator, try WINDOWS and ENTER. However, if WINDOWS ENTER starts Narrator, you are using an early version of Windows 10, and that could be part of the JAWS problem. You may need to ask your employer to allow Windows to be updated. I hope that something here at least helps you get by for now. It is likely that between JAWS and Microsoft updates, the problem will be resolved in time, but I understand it is nevertheless a real difficulty right now and most of my suggestions will just help you get by. Best regards, Steve Jacobson -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 3:12 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Singh, Nandini Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Slightly OT: Accessing Settings Menu on Windows 10 Enterprise Thanks. But I think that does not work because you still need to be on a network for internet access, and the issue is getting onto a wireless network to get internet access in the first place. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Angie Matney via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 3:53 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Angie Matney Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Slightly OT: Accessing Settings Menu on Windows 10 Enterprise Nikki, not a full solution, but can you access the internet by using the run command windows-r? You could go to google that way and then go to whereever you need from there. Good luck with finding a solution. Angie Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 19, 2017, at 3:02 PM, Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw wrote: > > All, > > I was wondering, among those of you using a Windows 10 Enterprise Anniversary edition operating system, do you find that JAWS (version 17) works well on this? I ask because JAWS does not read certain things, such as the items in the start menu or the settings menu. Both my firm's IT and I asked Freedom, and Freedom had no answers as to why this was happening. My only other guessis that some firm security/firewall software, of which we have an ample amount, is interfering with JAWS' fully functioning. > > It is annoying because you need to access the settings menu in order to get internet, and I do not feel all that comfortable allowing just anyone to use a firm-issued laptop. I have tried using a separate client, like AT&T, to get internet as a way to bypass the start menu/settings menus, but this is behaving strangely, too. I have not been able to get it to work quite right, even though I know the AT&T client is supposed to be JAWS-friendly. I am only further confused because I do not have any of these issues when using my Windows 10 computer at home. Thoughts? > > Regards, > Nikki > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/angie.matney%40gmail.c om _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/nsingh%40cov.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi. com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/nsingh%40cov.com From steve.jacobson at visi.com Tue Sep 19 22:03:10 2017 From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2017 17:03:10 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Hard Drive Encryption In-Reply-To: <8DAAB839-718F-46E0-B2F1-7414DB5BAAC7@gmail.com> References: <20AA0861082775448814F89F818F6472DFA58B0D@Exch-DB.hirschlerfleischer.com> <8DAAB839-718F-46E0-B2F1-7414DB5BAAC7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00ca01d33193$1525d1f0$3f7175d0$@visi.com> Angie, On the laptop I have from work, there is no separate password to decrypt my hard disk. My understanding is that the decryption of the hard disk is done by communication between the drive and the BIOS on my specific laptop. This means that if the hard drive is removed and used on another computer, its content is still encrypted. Since we are required to password protect our laptop, this provides pretty much all of the encryption that is provided with a separate decryption password. In addition, there is a block where anything I copy to a jump drive is encrypted and is only unencrypted on the same machine. I have asked for specifics but have not ever been given real specific details, probably for security reasons. My understanding, though, is that it is a variation of Microsoft's Bit Logger software which also has a version that requires a separate password. I am unable to tell when I log on that anything different is happening, and this is the case with all employees and is not something separate that is done for me. Using this may require more active defense against systems that crack passwords. Perhaps this information might be enough for your employer to determine what is being used and figure out if it is adequate in their eyes. My employer is pretty security conscious, though, so it must be reasonably strong in our implementation. Best regards, Steve Jacobson -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Angie Matney via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 3:48 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Angie Matney Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Hard Drive Encryption No, using a Windows 7 64-bit machine. Thanks though. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 19, 2017, at 4:36 PM, Al Elia via BlindLaw wrote: > > I'm told that BitLocker is accessible in Windows 10. FileVault is also accessible if you're using a mac, but I'm guessing you're not. > > >> On 19 Sep 2017, at 15:48, Angela Matney via BlindLaw wrote: >> >> Hello everyone: >> >> Is anyone using an accessible product that allows encryption of a PC at the disc level? I have thought of using Seeing AI to scan for a password prompt, but our IT department has said that if there is a more accessible solution, they would prefer to go that route and install a program that meets everyone’s needs. (I have to commend them for proactively coming to me with this question.) >> >> Thanks for any suggestions. >> >> Angie >> >> >> Angela R. Matney, CIPP/US >> Hirschler Fleischer >> 725 Jackson Street, Suite 200 | Fredericksburg, VA 22401-5720 >> p: 540.604.2117 | f: 540.604.2101 >> amatney at hf-law.com | www.hf-law.com >> >> >> >> >> Hirschler Fleischer, A Professional Corporation Confidentiality Note: This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may be protected by legal privilege. 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Thank you for your cooperation. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/al.elia%40aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/angie.matney%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Fri Sep 22 15:45:45 2017 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2017 15:45:45 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Article: Lainey Feingold: Negotiating better access for the disabled, ABA Journal, September 20, 2017 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.abajournal.com/legalrebels/article/lainey_feingold_diability_law_adr/ Legal Rebels Profile Lainey Feingold: Negotiating better access for the disabled ABA Journal September 20, 2017 By Stephanie Francis Ward The word compliance is frequently used in legal matters related to the Americans with Disabilities Act. But Lainey Feingold says simply meeting the law's standard is not enough. "We have to go beyond compliance. It's about integrating technology, web development and usability," says the Berkeley, California, sole practitioner, whose work centers on digital accessibility for people who are blind. "When technology becomes a compliance issue, our creativity is lost, our enthusiasm is lost, and things get stuck in the law office." Rather than litigation, Feingold finds solutions through structured negotiation, a collaborative dispute resolution method. Businesses like it because the process is cheaper and often faster than litigation, she says. Also-because the settlement agreements always include extensive product testing, input and feedback by people who are blind-it works better for her clients. "The accessibility issue really shouldn't be in the law office," says Feingold, 61. "Disabled people are often the established experts, but in a litigation setting no one will listen to a client with expertise." In the structured negotiations, Feingold frequently works with the plaintiffs civil-rights law firm Goldstein, Borgen, Dardarian & Ho, which is known for class actions brought against companies including Walmart, Denny's and Oracle. Barry Goldstein, who's now of counsel with the Oakland firm, brought Feingold in to work on a matter after a blind lawyer approached him about the lack of accessible ATMs. Linda M. Dardarian, a partner at the firm, works on many of the negotiations with Feingold. "We thought we would have a good class action, but we also thought that the ATM technology was new, the ADA was new-so why don't we try talking to these banks?" says Feingold, a former litigation director with the Disability Rights Education & Defense Fund in Berkeley. "If we brought the issue to a judge, maybe the judge would say, 'What the hell? Blind people shouldn't go to an ATM.' When you bring something to a magistrate, nobody has control. The good thing with structured negotiation is it allows all parties to work out a solution and retain control," says Feingold, who also wrote a book on the topic, Structured Negotiation: A Winning Alternative to Lawsuits. Feingold contacted Citibank in 1995, and a preliminary agreement was reached in 1999, with terms that included the ATMs being equipped with text-to-speech screen readers. The final agreement was entered in 2001. Similar agreements regarding talking ATMs were reached with other financial institutions, including Bank of America and Wells Fargo. Those discussions led to structured negotiations that involved online banking accessibility, Feingold says. She's also done structured negotiations that involve point-of-sale devices at retail checkouts, with businesses such as Target, Dollar General and Trader Joe's. In the mid-2000s, manufacturers started to make the devices with touch screens. If you wanted to use a debit card and couldn't see the touch screen, Feingold says, you had to tell the cashier your PIN. Previously, no major vendor produced integrated point-of-sale devices that included touch screens and keypads, Feingold says. Now, after agreements were reached, they all do. If a business needs time to get resources together and systems in place, Feingold is understanding, according to Susan Mazrui, AT&T's director of public policy. But when it's an issue in which the business is unresponsive, the lawyer will respond accordingly. "Because she is so kind and gentle, they don't know she is brilliant and fierce," says Mazrui, who worked with Feingold on accessible online credit reporting. "She will not back down if she knows that a company just doesn't want to spend the money or doesn't want to move." A Massachusetts native, Feingold visited Northern California in 1976 when she was a student at Hampshire College and liked it so much that she transferred to the University of California at Berkeley. In 1981, she graduated from the University of California's Hastings College of the Law in San Francisco and began her legal career working for the Public Employment Relations Board in California. At Berkeley, Feingold met her husband, Randy Shaw. Also a lawyer, he co-founded the Tenderloin Housing Clinic and works as its executive director. They have two daughters, who are both teachers in the San Francisco Unified School District. For fun, Feingold says, she's been spending time editing, marketing and speaking about her book. "Sounds kind of boring," Feingold says. "But I'm so glad I'm doing it." From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Mon Sep 25 20:03:25 2017 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2017 20:03:25 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Washington Civil & Disability Advocate - Paralegal Job Post In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: From: Conrad Reynoldson [mailto:conrad.wacda at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 12:53 PM Subject: Washington Civil & Disability Advocate - Paralegal Job Post Good afternoon Noel, I wanted to let you know that Washington Civil & Disability Advocate is seeking to hire a paralegal. Could you please pass along the job post below and attached to anyone who you think may be interested? Thanks! -- Conrad Reynoldson, Attorney at Law Washington Civil & Disability Advocate www.wacda.com 3513 NE 45th Street, Suite G Seattle, WA 98105 Office (206) 855-3134 The Organization Washington Civil & Disability Advocate (WACDA) is guided by the simple but powerful proposition that all lives have equal dignity and worth. As a result, this organization is committed to providing legal services to people with disabilities without charging attorney fees. Washington Civil & Disability Advocate is committed to an "all of the above" approach to increasing accessibility and inclusion in Washington state and, in addition to litigation, assists with disability education and awareness efforts, including informing the disability community on disability rights. Based in Seattle, our scope is statewide and beyond. WACDA's advocacy, education, and litigation is transforming the practices of government entities and major companies alike. The Position WACDA is seeking a paralegal to support the work of two attorneys. The paralegal will be responsible for providing administrative support, drafting and filing legal documents, intake and correspondence with clients, supporting community outreach and education, and assisting attorneys with research. Qualifications · Prior work experience drafting and filing legal documents electronically such as complaints and motions in federal court. · Prior administrative work experience; · Strong writing skills and attention to detail; · Demonstrated ability to provide efficient and accurate research; · Post-secondary education preferred; In addition, we seek candidates with the following: · A demonstrated passion for social justice and a commitment to working with individuals with disabilities and the disability community to advance equality; · Experience working with individuals with disabilities; · Integrity and a sense of humor. Application Send a cover letter, resume, names of three references, and two recent writing samples via e-mail to: Katherine Reynoldson katherine.reynoldson at gmail.com The e-mail should include “Paralegal Position” in the subject line. Only candidates selected for interviews will be contacted. 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In such circumstances, I am forced to use quick keys or other alternatives which aren't as effective as the virtual viewer option. I was wondering if anyone here has faced this problem, and if they've been able to identify the causes on account of which this feature sometimes doesn't work? Is this a JAWS bug which ought to be reported to FS? I use JAWS 16 on a Windows 10 machine. Best, Rahul From angie.matney at gmail.com Wed Sep 27 20:49:28 2017 From: angie.matney at gmail.com (Angie Matney) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2017 16:49:28 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Revisions not showing up in virtual viewer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2A52614C-4C64-4BFE-A8B7-CD69D54BEDCB@gmail.com> I've experienced this as well. My firm actually discourages use of track-changes, though, so when I get a document that incorporates them, I accept all changes and use our document management software to generate a "blackline" of the document. With JAWS set to read attribute and font info, the blackline is generally quite accessible. I also can use the text analyzer feature in JAWS to navigate the blackline more quickly. I realize this isn't particularly helpful to you if you don't use Imanage or some other document management solution with similar features, but I thought I would mention it anyway, in case it's helpful to you or to someone else. I have to admit to guilt in not reporting my track-changes issues to FS. They are easier to ignore when you have another workable solution, but I should probably report them. Best of luck to you. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 27, 2017, at 12:47 PM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > I hope this message finds you well. In order to analyze the changes > that have been made in any document in track mode, the one strategy > that I generally employ is to use the windows+; command in order to be > able to view a list of all the revisions that have been made. > However, this is an extremely sporadic feature, inasmuch as JAWS often > says there are no changes in a document even when it is apparent that > there are multiple changes. > > In such circumstances, I am forced to use quick keys or other > alternatives which aren't as effective as the virtual viewer option. > I was wondering if anyone here has faced this problem, and if they've > been able to identify the causes on account of which this feature > sometimes doesn't work? > Is this a JAWS bug which ought to be reported to FS? > I use JAWS 16 on a Windows 10 machine. > > Best, > Rahul > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/angie.matney%40gmail.com From mrallman116 at gmail.com Thu Sep 28 00:30:27 2017 From: mrallman116 at gmail.com (mrallman116 at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2017 19:30:27 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Revisions not showing up in virtual viewer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2D3ED8DE-3420-4DFD-BD16-54256A78823F@gmail.com> I am using jaws 17 and I have not been able to find good solutions to this issue either. If there is an alternative to track changes, I always take advantage of it. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 27, 2017, at 11:47 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > I hope this message finds you well. In order to analyze the changes > that have been made in any document in track mode, the one strategy > that I generally employ is to use the windows+; command in order to be > able to view a list of all the revisions that have been made. > However, this is an extremely sporadic feature, inasmuch as JAWS often > says there are no changes in a document even when it is apparent that > there are multiple changes. > > In such circumstances, I am forced to use quick keys or other > alternatives which aren't as effective as the virtual viewer option. > I was wondering if anyone here has faced this problem, and if they've > been able to identify the causes on account of which this feature > sometimes doesn't work? > Is this a JAWS bug which ought to be reported to FS? > I use JAWS 16 on a Windows 10 machine. > > Best, > Rahul > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrallman116%40gmail.com From laura.wolk at gmail.com Thu Sep 28 00:46:43 2017 From: laura.wolk at gmail.com (Laura Wolk) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2017 20:46:43 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Revisions not showing up in virtual viewer In-Reply-To: <2D3ED8DE-3420-4DFD-BD16-54256A78823F@gmail.com> References: <2D3ED8DE-3420-4DFD-BD16-54256A78823F@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello all, I found out about this feature only recently, but it doesn't work for me either. How about we all agree to collectively contact Freedom Scientific and advocate that they do something about it? For the low, low price of $900, I don't think we in the legal profession should have to cobble together work-arounds and waste precious efficiency time just to access the most mainstream group editing feature used by the most mainstream software manufacturer. I have used trackchanges daily since 2l and now in the working world, and I sure as heck could do a lot more productive things with my day if I didn't have to spend so much time finagling with this particular feature. I, for one, will let them know about my issue tomorrow. Laura On 9/27/17, Melissa Allman via BlindLaw wrote: > I am using jaws 17 and I have not been able to find good solutions to this > issue either. If there is an alternative to track changes, I always take > advantage of it. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 27, 2017, at 11:47 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw >> wrote: >> >> Hi Everyone, >> >> I hope this message finds you well. In order to analyze the changes >> that have been made in any document in track mode, the one strategy >> that I generally employ is to use the windows+; command in order to be >> able to view a list of all the revisions that have been made. >> However, this is an extremely sporadic feature, inasmuch as JAWS often >> says there are no changes in a document even when it is apparent that >> there are multiple changes. >> >> In such circumstances, I am forced to use quick keys or other >> alternatives which aren't as effective as the virtual viewer option. >> I was wondering if anyone here has faced this problem, and if they've >> been able to identify the causes on account of which this feature >> sometimes doesn't work? >> Is this a JAWS bug which ought to be reported to FS? >> I use JAWS 16 on a Windows 10 machine. >> >> Best, >> Rahul >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrallman116%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/laura.wolk%40gmail.com > From sy.hoekstra at gmail.com Thu Sep 28 04:09:46 2017 From: sy.hoekstra at gmail.com (sy.hoekstra at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2017 00:09:46 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Revisions not showing up in virtual viewer In-Reply-To: <2A52614C-4C64-4BFE-A8B7-CD69D54BEDCB@gmail.com> References: <2A52614C-4C64-4BFE-A8B7-CD69D54BEDCB@gmail.com> Message-ID: <008001d3380f$9f07f4c0$dd17de40$@gmail.com> I also don't use track changes to an extent where I need the virtual viewer. But when spelling mistakes won't show up there, I generally can just use the quick keys for a mistake or two, and then try the virtual viewer again. It often works when I do it that way. I'm using JAWS 17 and Windows 7 or 10. But yes, it is a bug that should be reported. It's just tough to report because I cannot for the life of me figure out how to replicate it. It seems to just happen randomly. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Angie Matney via BlindLaw Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 4:49 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Angie Matney Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Revisions not showing up in virtual viewer I've experienced this as well. My firm actually discourages use of track-changes, though, so when I get a document that incorporates them, I accept all changes and use our document management software to generate a "blackline" of the document. With JAWS set to read attribute and font info, the blackline is generally quite accessible. I also can use the text analyzer feature in JAWS to navigate the blackline more quickly. I realize this isn't particularly helpful to you if you don't use Imanage or some other document management solution with similar features, but I thought I would mention it anyway, in case it's helpful to you or to someone else. I have to admit to guilt in not reporting my track-changes issues to FS. They are easier to ignore when you have another workable solution, but I should probably report them. Best of luck to you. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 27, 2017, at 12:47 PM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > I hope this message finds you well. In order to analyze the changes > that have been made in any document in track mode, the one strategy > that I generally employ is to use the windows+; command in order to be > able to view a list of all the revisions that have been made. > However, this is an extremely sporadic feature, inasmuch as JAWS often > says there are no changes in a document even when it is apparent that > there are multiple changes. > > In such circumstances, I am forced to use quick keys or other > alternatives which aren't as effective as the virtual viewer option. > I was wondering if anyone here has faced this problem, and if they've > been able to identify the causes on account of which this feature > sometimes doesn't work? > Is this a JAWS bug which ought to be reported to FS? > I use JAWS 16 on a Windows 10 machine. > > Best, > Rahul > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/angie.matney%40g > mail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sy.hoekstra%40gmail.co m From ttomasi at driowa.org Fri Sep 29 20:20:33 2017 From: ttomasi at driowa.org (Tai Tomasi) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2017 20:20:33 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] DREDF seeking law student interns for summer 2018 Message-ID: DREDF is inviting law student candidates to apply for summer 2018 internships. More details on attached flyer. Feel free to distribute widely and off-list. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: DREDF Internship Flyer - Summer 2018.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 64957 bytes Desc: DREDF Internship Flyer - Summer 2018.pdf URL: From amarjain at amarjain.com Sat Sep 30 08:27:23 2017 From: amarjain at amarjain.com (Amar Jain) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2017 13:57:23 +0530 Subject: [blindlaw] Revisions not showing up in virtual viewer In-Reply-To: <008001d3380f$9f07f4c0$dd17de40$@gmail.com> References: <2A52614C-4C64-4BFE-A8B7-CD69D54BEDCB@gmail.com> <008001d3380f$9f07f4c0$dd17de40$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the tip of using text analyser in black lines. While I will read the help to understand it fully, but just one question, is it consistent and reliable? Jaws virtual viewer for reviewing track changes is not consistent at all. I have tried explaining this to FS, however they are unable to reproduce the bug. Regards, Amar Jain Sent from my iPhone > On 28-Sep-2017, at 9:39 AM, sy.hoekstra--- via BlindLaw wrote: > > I also don't use track changes to an extent where I need the virtual viewer. > But when spelling mistakes won't show up there, I generally can just use the > quick keys for a mistake or two, and then try the virtual viewer again. It > often works when I do it that way. I'm using JAWS 17 and Windows 7 or 10. > > But yes, it is a bug that should be reported. It's just tough to report > because I cannot for the life of me figure out how to replicate it. It seems > to just happen randomly. > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Angie > Matney via BlindLaw > Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 4:49 PM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Angie Matney > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Revisions not showing up in virtual viewer > > I've experienced this as well. My firm actually discourages use of > track-changes, though, so when I get a document that incorporates them, I > accept all changes and use our document management software to generate a > "blackline" of the document. With JAWS set to read attribute and font info, > the blackline is generally quite accessible. I also can use the text > analyzer feature in JAWS to navigate the blackline more quickly. > > I realize this isn't particularly helpful to you if you don't use Imanage or > some other document management solution with similar features, but I thought > I would mention it anyway, in case it's helpful to you or to someone else. I > have to admit to guilt in not reporting my track-changes issues to FS. They > are easier to ignore when you have another workable solution, but I should > probably report them. > > Best of luck to you. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 27, 2017, at 12:47 PM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw > wrote: >> >> Hi Everyone, >> >> I hope this message finds you well. In order to analyze the changes >> that have been made in any document in track mode, the one strategy >> that I generally employ is to use the windows+; command in order to be >> able to view a list of all the revisions that have been made. >> However, this is an extremely sporadic feature, inasmuch as JAWS often >> says there are no changes in a document even when it is apparent that >> there are multiple changes. >> >> In such circumstances, I am forced to use quick keys or other >> alternatives which aren't as effective as the virtual viewer option. >> I was wondering if anyone here has faced this problem, and if they've >> been able to identify the causes on account of which this feature >> sometimes doesn't work? >> Is this a JAWS bug which ought to be reported to FS? >> I use JAWS 16 on a Windows 10 machine. >> >> Best, >> Rahul >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/angie.matney%40g >> mail.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sy.hoekstra%40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/amarjain%40amarjain.com