From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com Wed Aug 1 11:10:22 2018 From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 16:40:22 +0530 Subject: [blindlaw] Complaining to Freedom Scientific About the Sporadic Functioning of the Virtual Viewer For Viewing Track Changes In Word Message-ID: Hi Everyone, I have reached out to Freedom Scientific, requesting them to fix the functioning of virtual viewer in Word. As I am sure you are aware, JAWS often says 'no track changes' when one presses windows+; and selects 'revisions', even when there are revisions in a document. This is the quickest and simplest way to view revisions and can help blind lawyers use this feature pretty much as seamlessly as their sighted counterparts. However, owing to this glitch, one has to access revisions by adopting far more time-consuming approaches. I have reported this to FS, and two of their people are investigating it. I would urge members of this group to report this problem on the following email IDs: Bryan Carver and Grant Patterson . I recall that at least 4 people had attested to this problem when I had brought it up a few months ago - Angie, Laura, Sy and Amar. If we reach out to FS in large numbers, we may be able to get them to prioritize this and fix the issue. Thank you. Best, Rahul From amarjain at amarjain.com Wed Aug 1 11:20:45 2018 From: amarjain at amarjain.com (Amar Jain) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 16:50:45 +0530 Subject: [blindlaw] Complaining to Freedom Scientific About the Sporadic Functioning of the Virtual Viewer For Viewing Track Changes In Word In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3A6527F3-7C33-46A9-BB41-ACD2BDCEC13C@amarjain.com> Hi Rahul, Glad that you reported too. I did few months back, and they wrote back saying upgrading to Office365 might help! And you know that these things are organization driven. Let me speak to Cory. Regards, Amar Jain Sent from my iPhone > On 01-Aug-2018, at 4:40 PM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > I have reached out to Freedom Scientific, requesting them to fix the > functioning of virtual viewer in Word. As I am sure you are aware, > JAWS often says 'no track changes' when one presses windows+; and > selects 'revisions', even when there are revisions in a document. > > This is the quickest and simplest way to view revisions and can help > blind lawyers use this feature pretty much as seamlessly as their > sighted counterparts. However, owing to this glitch, one has to access > revisions by adopting far more time-consuming approaches. > > I have reported this to FS, and two of their people are investigating > it. I would urge members of this group to report this problem on the > following email IDs: Bryan Carver and Grant Patterson . > > I recall that at least 4 people had attested to this problem when I > had brought it up a few months ago - Angie, Laura, Sy and Amar. If we > reach out to FS in large numbers, we may be able to get them to > prioritize this and fix the issue. Thank you. > > Best, > Rahul > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/amarjain%40amarjain.com From laura.wolk at gmail.com Wed Aug 1 11:27:17 2018 From: laura.wolk at gmail.com (Laura Wolk) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 07:27:17 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Complaining to Freedom Scientific About the Sporadic Functioning of the Virtual Viewer For Viewing Track Changes In Word In-Reply-To: <3A6527F3-7C33-46A9-BB41-ACD2BDCEC13C@amarjain.com> References: <3A6527F3-7C33-46A9-BB41-ACD2BDCEC13C@amarjain.com> Message-ID: Thank you, Rahul. I had also reported last fall, and they promised to quote expedite quote the problem, and that it would make its way into the next upgrade. It didn't, of course. With this prompting, I will re-send in my concerns as well. In particular, footnoted trackchanges never show up, not just sporadically, and if there are more than a hundred changes in the document, no revisions are displayed. I will make sure they know this. Laura On 8/1/18, Amar Jain via BlindLaw wrote: > Hi Rahul, > > Glad that you reported too. > > I did few months back, and they wrote back saying upgrading to Office365 > might help! And you know that these things are organization driven. Let me > speak to Cory. > > Regards, > Amar Jain > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 01-Aug-2018, at 4:40 PM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw >> wrote: >> >> Hi Everyone, >> >> I have reached out to Freedom Scientific, requesting them to fix the >> functioning of virtual viewer in Word. As I am sure you are aware, >> JAWS often says 'no track changes' when one presses windows+; and >> selects 'revisions', even when there are revisions in a document. >> >> This is the quickest and simplest way to view revisions and can help >> blind lawyers use this feature pretty much as seamlessly as their >> sighted counterparts. However, owing to this glitch, one has to access >> revisions by adopting far more time-consuming approaches. >> >> I have reported this to FS, and two of their people are investigating >> it. I would urge members of this group to report this problem on the >> following email IDs: Bryan Carver > and Grant Patterson . >> >> I recall that at least 4 people had attested to this problem when I >> had brought it up a few months ago - Angie, Laura, Sy and Amar. If we >> reach out to FS in large numbers, we may be able to get them to >> prioritize this and fix the issue. Thank you. >> >> Best, >> Rahul >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/amarjain%40amarjain.com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/laura.wolk%40gmail.com > From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com Wed Aug 1 11:51:32 2018 From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 17:21:32 +0530 Subject: [blindlaw] Complaining to Freedom Scientific About the Sporadic Functioning of the Virtual Viewer For Viewing Track Changes In Word In-Reply-To: References: <3A6527F3-7C33-46A9-BB41-ACD2BDCEC13C@amarjain.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Amar and Laura. They've told me that they'll investigate the use of the virtual viewer in Office 16 and Office 365 and cannot do anything about Office 10 which I also use a fair bit. The solution has to be found in MS Office itself; using Office 365 just for this is not feasible. Best, Rahul On 01/08/2018, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw wrote: > Thank you, Rahul. I had also reported last fall, and they promised to > quote expedite quote the problem, and that it would make its way into > the next upgrade. It didn't, of course. With this prompting, I will > re-send in my concerns as well. In particular, footnoted trackchanges > never show up, not just sporadically, and if there are more than a > hundred changes in the document, no revisions are displayed. I will > make sure they know this. > > Laura > > On 8/1/18, Amar Jain via BlindLaw wrote: >> Hi Rahul, >> >> Glad that you reported too. >> >> I did few months back, and they wrote back saying upgrading to Office365 >> might help! And you know that these things are organization driven. Let >> me >> speak to Cory. >> >> Regards, >> Amar Jain >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On 01-Aug-2018, at 4:40 PM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Everyone, >>> >>> I have reached out to Freedom Scientific, requesting them to fix the >>> functioning of virtual viewer in Word. As I am sure you are aware, >>> JAWS often says 'no track changes' when one presses windows+; and >>> selects 'revisions', even when there are revisions in a document. >>> >>> This is the quickest and simplest way to view revisions and can help >>> blind lawyers use this feature pretty much as seamlessly as their >>> sighted counterparts. However, owing to this glitch, one has to access >>> revisions by adopting far more time-consuming approaches. >>> >>> I have reported this to FS, and two of their people are investigating >>> it. I would urge members of this group to report this problem on the >>> following email IDs: Bryan Carver >> and Grant Patterson . >>> >>> I recall that at least 4 people had attested to this problem when I >>> had brought it up a few months ago - Angie, Laura, Sy and Amar. If we >>> reach out to FS in large numbers, we may be able to get them to >>> prioritize this and fix the issue. Thank you. >>> >>> Best, >>> Rahul >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/amarjain%40amarjain.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/laura.wolk%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rahul.bajaj1038%40gmail.com > From laura.wolk at gmail.com Wed Aug 1 12:00:34 2018 From: laura.wolk at gmail.com (Laura Wolk) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 08:00:34 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Complaining to Freedom Scientific About the Sporadic Functioning of the Virtual Viewer For Viewing Track Changes In Word In-Reply-To: References: <3A6527F3-7C33-46A9-BB41-ACD2BDCEC13C@amarjain.com> Message-ID: Oh Neat. So now, best case scenario, we'll still have two semi-accessible versions of the most commonly used word processing program at our disposal if we shell out $1,000. We are so lucky. On 8/1/18, Rahul Bajaj wrote: > Thanks, Amar and Laura. > They've told me that they'll investigate the use of the virtual viewer > in Office 16 and Office 365 and cannot do anything about Office 10 > which I also use a fair bit. > > The solution has to be found in MS Office itself; using Office 365 > just for this is not feasible. > > Best, > Rahul > > On 01/08/2018, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw wrote: >> Thank you, Rahul. I had also reported last fall, and they promised to >> quote expedite quote the problem, and that it would make its way into >> the next upgrade. It didn't, of course. With this prompting, I will >> re-send in my concerns as well. In particular, footnoted trackchanges >> never show up, not just sporadically, and if there are more than a >> hundred changes in the document, no revisions are displayed. I will >> make sure they know this. >> >> Laura >> >> On 8/1/18, Amar Jain via BlindLaw wrote: >>> Hi Rahul, >>> >>> Glad that you reported too. >>> >>> I did few months back, and they wrote back saying upgrading to Office365 >>> might help! And you know that these things are organization driven. Let >>> me >>> speak to Cory. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Amar Jain >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On 01-Aug-2018, at 4:40 PM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Everyone, >>>> >>>> I have reached out to Freedom Scientific, requesting them to fix the >>>> functioning of virtual viewer in Word. As I am sure you are aware, >>>> JAWS often says 'no track changes' when one presses windows+; and >>>> selects 'revisions', even when there are revisions in a document. >>>> >>>> This is the quickest and simplest way to view revisions and can help >>>> blind lawyers use this feature pretty much as seamlessly as their >>>> sighted counterparts. However, owing to this glitch, one has to access >>>> revisions by adopting far more time-consuming approaches. >>>> >>>> I have reported this to FS, and two of their people are investigating >>>> it. I would urge members of this group to report this problem on the >>>> following email IDs: Bryan Carver >>> and Grant Patterson . >>>> >>>> I recall that at least 4 people had attested to this problem when I >>>> had brought it up a few months ago - Angie, Laura, Sy and Amar. If we >>>> reach out to FS in large numbers, we may be able to get them to >>>> prioritize this and fix the issue. Thank you. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Rahul >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> BlindLaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/amarjain%40amarjain.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/laura.wolk%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rahul.bajaj1038%40gmail.com >> > From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com Wed Aug 1 12:20:03 2018 From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 17:50:03 +0530 Subject: [blindlaw] Complaining to Freedom Scientific About the Sporadic Functioning of the Virtual Viewer For Viewing Track Changes In Word In-Reply-To: References: <3A6527F3-7C33-46A9-BB41-ACD2BDCEC13C@amarjain.com> Message-ID: Haha, yes. I'll be very happy if they fix it even for Word 16, because switching office versions would be still better than perusing revisions with something like quick keys. Best, Rahul On 01/08/2018, Laura Wolk wrote: > Oh Neat. So now, best case scenario, we'll still have two > semi-accessible versions of the most commonly used word processing > program at our disposal if we shell out $1,000. We are so lucky. > > On 8/1/18, Rahul Bajaj wrote: >> Thanks, Amar and Laura. >> They've told me that they'll investigate the use of the virtual viewer >> in Office 16 and Office 365 and cannot do anything about Office 10 >> which I also use a fair bit. >> >> The solution has to be found in MS Office itself; using Office 365 >> just for this is not feasible. >> >> Best, >> Rahul >> >> On 01/08/2018, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw wrote: >>> Thank you, Rahul. I had also reported last fall, and they promised to >>> quote expedite quote the problem, and that it would make its way into >>> the next upgrade. It didn't, of course. With this prompting, I will >>> re-send in my concerns as well. In particular, footnoted trackchanges >>> never show up, not just sporadically, and if there are more than a >>> hundred changes in the document, no revisions are displayed. I will >>> make sure they know this. >>> >>> Laura >>> >>> On 8/1/18, Amar Jain via BlindLaw wrote: >>>> Hi Rahul, >>>> >>>> Glad that you reported too. >>>> >>>> I did few months back, and they wrote back saying upgrading to >>>> Office365 >>>> might help! And you know that these things are organization driven. Let >>>> me >>>> speak to Cory. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Amar Jain >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On 01-Aug-2018, at 4:40 PM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Everyone, >>>>> >>>>> I have reached out to Freedom Scientific, requesting them to fix the >>>>> functioning of virtual viewer in Word. As I am sure you are aware, >>>>> JAWS often says 'no track changes' when one presses windows+; and >>>>> selects 'revisions', even when there are revisions in a document. >>>>> >>>>> This is the quickest and simplest way to view revisions and can help >>>>> blind lawyers use this feature pretty much as seamlessly as their >>>>> sighted counterparts. However, owing to this glitch, one has to access >>>>> revisions by adopting far more time-consuming approaches. >>>>> >>>>> I have reported this to FS, and two of their people are investigating >>>>> it. I would urge members of this group to report this problem on the >>>>> following email IDs: Bryan Carver >>>> and Grant Patterson . >>>>> >>>>> I recall that at least 4 people had attested to this problem when I >>>>> had brought it up a few months ago - Angie, Laura, Sy and Amar. If we >>>>> reach out to FS in large numbers, we may be able to get them to >>>>> prioritize this and fix the issue. Thank you. >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> Rahul >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/amarjain%40amarjain.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> BlindLaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/laura.wolk%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rahul.bajaj1038%40gmail.com >>> >> > From amatney at loeb.com Wed Aug 1 12:32:36 2018 From: amatney at loeb.com (Angela Matney) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 12:32:36 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Complaining to Freedom Scientific About the Sporadic Functioning of the Virtual Viewer For Viewing Track Changes In Word In-Reply-To: References: <3A6527F3-7C33-46A9-BB41-ACD2BDCEC13C@amarjain.com> Message-ID: <1BAC65FD6F6D1140A9F58F9D21A1A5391FAC761A@SM-EXMAIL03.loeb.com> I'll let them know, too. I hadn't picked up on any differences in behavior based on the number of changes, but I've definitely experienced the problem. The same thing sometimes happens if you try to bring up a list of revisions with Insert+shift+r. Angela Matney, CIPP/US Attorney at Law Admitted only in Virginia 901 New York Avenue NW, Suite 300 East | Washington, DC 20001 Direct Dial: 202.618.5038 | Fax: 202.403.3407 | E-mail: amatney at loeb.com Los Angeles | New York | Chicago | Nashville | Washington, DC | Beijing | Hong Kong | www.loeb.com -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Laura Wolk via BlindLaw Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2018 7:27 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Laura Wolk Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Complaining to Freedom Scientific About the Sporadic Functioning of the Virtual Viewer For Viewing Track Changes In Word Thank you, Rahul. I had also reported last fall, and they promised to quote expedite quote the problem, and that it would make its way into the next upgrade. It didn't, of course. With this prompting, I will re-send in my concerns as well. In particular, footnoted trackchanges never show up, not just sporadically, and if there are more than a hundred changes in the document, no revisions are displayed. I will make sure they know this. Laura On 8/1/18, Amar Jain via BlindLaw wrote: > Hi Rahul, > > Glad that you reported too. > > I did few months back, and they wrote back saying upgrading to Office365 > might help! And you know that these things are organization driven. Let me > speak to Cory. > > Regards, > Amar Jain > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 01-Aug-2018, at 4:40 PM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw >> wrote: >> >> Hi Everyone, >> >> I have reached out to Freedom Scientific, requesting them to fix the >> functioning of virtual viewer in Word. As I am sure you are aware, >> JAWS often says 'no track changes' when one presses windows+; and >> selects 'revisions', even when there are revisions in a document. >> >> This is the quickest and simplest way to view revisions and can help >> blind lawyers use this feature pretty much as seamlessly as their >> sighted counterparts. However, owing to this glitch, one has to access >> revisions by adopting far more time-consuming approaches. >> >> I have reported this to FS, and two of their people are investigating >> it. I would urge members of this group to report this problem on the >> following email IDs: Bryan Carver > and Grant Patterson . >> >> I recall that at least 4 people had attested to this problem when I >> had brought it up a few months ago - Angie, Laura, Sy and Amar. If we >> reach out to FS in large numbers, we may be able to get them to >> prioritize this and fix the issue. Thank you. >> >> Best, >> Rahul >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/amarjain%40amarjain.com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/laura.wolk%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/amatney%40loeb.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail transmission, and any documents, files or previous e-mail messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. 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From kelbycarlson at gmail.com Wed Aug 1 13:25:29 2018 From: kelbycarlson at gmail.com (Kelby Carlson) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 09:25:29 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Complaining to Freedom Scientific About the Sporadic Functioning of the Virtual Viewer For Viewing Track Changes In Word In-Reply-To: References: <3A6527F3-7C33-46A9-BB41-ACD2BDCEC13C@amarjain.com> Message-ID: <076f1335-46c3-1f66-af6b-33b773f36fbb@gmail.com> I use NVDA now and while it doesn't have a virtual viewer, it is also much less likely to have huge bugs in upgrades that cause problems like this. I was on law review and that was actually what compelled me to switch screen readers, JAWS was working so badly. And, NVDA is free! On 8/1/2018 8:20 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw wrote: > Haha, yes. I'll be very happy if they fix it even for Word 16, because > switching office versions would be still better than perusing > revisions with something like quick keys. > > > Best, > Rahul > > On 01/08/2018, Laura Wolk wrote: >> Oh Neat. So now, best case scenario, we'll still have two >> semi-accessible versions of the most commonly used word processing >> program at our disposal if we shell out $1,000. We are so lucky. >> >> On 8/1/18, Rahul Bajaj wrote: >>> Thanks, Amar and Laura. >>> They've told me that they'll investigate the use of the virtual viewer >>> in Office 16 and Office 365 and cannot do anything about Office 10 >>> which I also use a fair bit. >>> >>> The solution has to be found in MS Office itself; using Office 365 >>> just for this is not feasible. >>> >>> Best, >>> Rahul >>> >>> On 01/08/2018, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw wrote: >>>> Thank you, Rahul. I had also reported last fall, and they promised to >>>> quote expedite quote the problem, and that it would make its way into >>>> the next upgrade. It didn't, of course. With this prompting, I will >>>> re-send in my concerns as well. In particular, footnoted trackchanges >>>> never show up, not just sporadically, and if there are more than a >>>> hundred changes in the document, no revisions are displayed. I will >>>> make sure they know this. >>>> >>>> Laura >>>> >>>> On 8/1/18, Amar Jain via BlindLaw wrote: >>>>> Hi Rahul, >>>>> >>>>> Glad that you reported too. >>>>> >>>>> I did few months back, and they wrote back saying upgrading to >>>>> Office365 >>>>> might help! And you know that these things are organization driven. Let >>>>> me >>>>> speak to Cory. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Amar Jain >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On 01-Aug-2018, at 4:40 PM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw >>>>>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Everyone, >>>>>> >>>>>> I have reached out to Freedom Scientific, requesting them to fix the >>>>>> functioning of virtual viewer in Word. As I am sure you are aware, >>>>>> JAWS often says 'no track changes' when one presses windows+; and >>>>>> selects 'revisions', even when there are revisions in a document. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is the quickest and simplest way to view revisions and can help >>>>>> blind lawyers use this feature pretty much as seamlessly as their >>>>>> sighted counterparts. However, owing to this glitch, one has to access >>>>>> revisions by adopting far more time-consuming approaches. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have reported this to FS, and two of their people are investigating >>>>>> it. I would urge members of this group to report this problem on the >>>>>> following email IDs: Bryan Carver >>>>> and Grant Patterson . >>>>>> >>>>>> I recall that at least 4 people had attested to this problem when I >>>>>> had brought it up a few months ago - Angie, Laura, Sy and Amar. If we >>>>>> reach out to FS in large numbers, we may be able to get them to >>>>>> prioritize this and fix the issue. Thank you. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> Rahul >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/amarjain%40amarjain.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/laura.wolk%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> BlindLaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rahul.bajaj1038%40gmail.com >>>> > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40gmail.com > From glnorman15 at hotmail.com Tue Aug 7 12:08:44 2018 From: glnorman15 at hotmail.com (GL Norman) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2018 12:08:44 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Salon Animal Policy, Civil Rights Aug. 9 6:45 P.M. Baltimore Message-ID: >From G. Norman Vision and Vivacity Please join me, but more so Bowie, during, this, International Service Animal Week. While this is a driving reason to convene; we can multi-task. While we enjoy light fair; we will discuss a range of topics related to the intersections of animals, even disab., and civil rights. Provide your R.S.V.P. to Angela at the bar assoc. `This will be at the Pratt Street Ale House at 6:45 P.M. ``We will engage in networking, and will enjoy conversation via a "Jeffersonian Dinner" format. From joshl at loevy.com Tue Aug 7 17:34:52 2018 From: joshl at loevy.com (Josh Loevy) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2018 12:34:52 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] analyzing document productions Message-ID: Hey all, I’m looking for hot tips on people’s experience reviewing an opposing party’s document production. Have people had success annotating the PDFS, or do you still keep a separate running word document for notes, or maybe both? I’m also curious if anyone has had experience using a separate screen, obviously not for visual purposes, but as a means of navigating more quickly between documents and tabs will working on a project like this. From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 18:07:51 2018 From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2018 19:07:51 +0100 Subject: [blindlaw] analyzing document productions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'd be interested in this also! On 8/7/18, Josh Loevy via BlindLaw wrote: > Hey all, > > I’m looking for hot tips on people’s experience reviewing an opposing > party’s document production. Have people had success annotating the PDFS, > or do you still keep a separate running word document for notes, or maybe > both? > > I’m also curious if anyone has had experience using a separate screen, > obviously not for visual purposes, but as a means of navigating more > quickly between documents and tabs will working on a project like this. > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com > From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Wed Aug 8 15:52:45 2018 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2018 15:52:45 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] the FTC's Seattle office is hiring--General Attorney (Trade Regulation) Message-ID: From: 'McKewen, Richard' via Federal Attorneys Networking Group of Seattle [mailto:fangseattle at googlegroups.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2018 8:49 AM To: fangseattle at googlegroups.com Subject: [fangs] the FTC's Seattle office is hiring https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/507368800?utm_source=govdelivery Richard McKewen • Attorney • U.S. Federal Trade Commission • Northwest Regional Office 915 Second Ave., Suite 2896 • Seattle, WA • 98174 • T: 206-220-4595 • F: 206-220-6366 -- -- You received this message because you are a federal agency attorney and subscribed to the FANGS group. 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I’ve looked at Learning Ally, but didn’t find it in their collection. If you do have one, could you please PM me and let me know how I can get my own? Thanks. Elizabeth Elizabeth M René Attorney at Law WSBA #10710 KCBA #21824 rene0373 at gmail.com From mnowicki4 at icloud.com Wed Aug 8 21:22:44 2018 From: mnowicki4 at icloud.com (Michal Nowicki) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2018 16:22:44 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Immigration law text In-Reply-To: <0CFE449B-5BD8-4DF9-BACA-E9B7826E0D73@gmail.com> References: <0CFE449B-5BD8-4DF9-BACA-E9B7826E0D73@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0PD500F8KVDVMJ40@st11p00im-asmtp001.me.com> Hi Elizabeth, Did you also check Bookshare? Its library has been expanding, though like Learning Ally, Bookshare has had a hard time keeping up with new editions. I hope you can find an accessible copy. Best, Michal Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2018 2:40 PM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Cc: Elizabeth Rene Subject: [blindlaw] Immigration law text Hello list mates, Does anyone have access to a digital copy of Kurzban’s Immigration Law Resource, 16th Edition or any recent preceding editions? I’ve looked at Learning Ally, but didn’t find it in their collection. If you do have one, could you please PM me and let me know how I can get my own? Thanks. Elizabeth Elizabeth M René Attorney at Law WSBA #10710 KCBA #21824 rene0373 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%40icloud.com From ttomasi at driowa.org Wed Aug 8 21:28:34 2018 From: ttomasi at driowa.org (Tai Tomasi) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2018 21:28:34 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Immigration law text In-Reply-To: <0PD500F8KVDVMJ40@st11p00im-asmtp001.me.com> References: <0CFE449B-5BD8-4DF9-BACA-E9B7826E0D73@gmail.com> <0PD500F8KVDVMJ40@st11p00im-asmtp001.me.com> Message-ID: I checked, and this book does not seem to be available on Bookshare. Have you checked to see if it is available via Amazon Kindle or Apple iBooks? Both of these platforms carry accessible content. Ms. Tai Tomasi, J.D. 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If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki via BlindLaw Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2018 4:23 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Michal Nowicki Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Immigration law text Hi Elizabeth, Did you also check Bookshare? Its library has been expanding, though like Learning Ally, Bookshare has had a hard time keeping up with new editions. I hope you can find an accessible copy. Best, Michal Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2018 2:40 PM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Cc: Elizabeth Rene Subject: [blindlaw] Immigration law text Hello list mates, Does anyone have access to a digital copy of Kurzban’s Immigration Law Resource, 16th Edition or any recent preceding editions? I’ve looked at Learning Ally, but didn’t find it in their collection. If you do have one, could you please PM me and let me know how I can get my own? Thanks. Elizabeth Elizabeth M René Attorney at Law WSBA #10710 KCBA #21824 rene0373 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%40icloud.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40driowa.org From kelbycarlson at gmail.com Thu Aug 9 00:27:07 2018 From: kelbycarlson at gmail.com (kelby carlson) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2018 20:27:07 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Immigration law text In-Reply-To: References: <0CFE449B-5BD8-4DF9-BACA-E9B7826E0D73@gmail.com> <0PD500F8KVDVMJ40@st11p00im-asmtp001.me.com> Message-ID: <01AC1C1D-C2EA-4DB6-9DB4-E6AB5725ED27@gmail.com> Is this a book you need for work? If so, your employer might have the resources to secure a PDF directly from the publisher. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 8, 2018, at 5:28 PM, Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw wrote: > > I checked, and this book does not seem to be available on Bookshare. Have you checked to see if it is available via Amazon Kindle or Apple iBooks? Both of these platforms carry accessible content. > > Ms. Tai Tomasi, J.D. > Pronouns: she/her/hers > Staff Attorney > > > > 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 > Des Moines, Iowa 50309 > Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 > FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 > E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org > www.driowa.org > > Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki via BlindLaw > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2018 4:23 PM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Michal Nowicki > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Immigration law text > > Hi Elizabeth, > > Did you also check Bookshare? Its library has been expanding, though like Learning Ally, Bookshare has had a hard time keeping up with new editions. I hope you can find an accessible copy. > > Best, > > Michal > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw > Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2018 2:40 PM > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Cc: Elizabeth Rene > Subject: [blindlaw] Immigration law text > > Hello list mates, > Does anyone have access to a digital copy of Kurzban’s Immigration Law Resource, 16th Edition or any recent preceding editions? I’ve looked at Learning Ally, but didn’t find it in their collection. If you do have one, could you please PM me and let me know how I can get my own? > Thanks. > Elizabeth > > Elizabeth M René > Attorney at Law > WSBA #10710 > KCBA #21824 > rene0373 at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%40icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40driowa.org > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40gmail.com From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com Thu Aug 9 14:46:06 2018 From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2018 20:16:06 +0530 Subject: [blindlaw] Complaining to Freedom Scientific About the Sporadic Functioning of the Virtual Viewer For Viewing Track Changes In Word In-Reply-To: <076f1335-46c3-1f66-af6b-33b773f36fbb@gmail.com> References: <3A6527F3-7C33-46A9-BB41-ACD2BDCEC13C@amarjain.com> <076f1335-46c3-1f66-af6b-33b773f36fbb@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Everyone, There's been an update from Freedom Scientific on this. They say that the basic issue is that this feature doesn't work in documents that have more than 100 revisions. This is because the processing time required to prepare a list of revisions in such circumstances is more than what is permissible. To fix this, they'll modify the processing time in an upcoming JAWS update. I am not sure if the 100 revisions theory is accurate. I will test out a few documents with less and more than 100 revisions to ascertain if that is the actual issue. I was wondering what others think about this. Best, Rahul On 01/08/2018, Kelby Carlson wrote: > I use NVDA now and while it doesn't have a virtual viewer, it is also > much less likely to have huge bugs in upgrades that cause problems like > this. I was on law review and that was actually what compelled me to > switch screen readers, JAWS was working so badly. And, NVDA is free! > On 8/1/2018 8:20 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw wrote: >> Haha, yes. I'll be very happy if they fix it even for Word 16, because >> switching office versions would be still better than perusing >> revisions with something like quick keys. >> >> >> Best, >> Rahul >> >> On 01/08/2018, Laura Wolk wrote: >>> Oh Neat. So now, best case scenario, we'll still have two >>> semi-accessible versions of the most commonly used word processing >>> program at our disposal if we shell out $1,000. We are so lucky. >>> >>> On 8/1/18, Rahul Bajaj wrote: >>>> Thanks, Amar and Laura. >>>> They've told me that they'll investigate the use of the virtual viewer >>>> in Office 16 and Office 365 and cannot do anything about Office 10 >>>> which I also use a fair bit. >>>> >>>> The solution has to be found in MS Office itself; using Office 365 >>>> just for this is not feasible. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Rahul >>>> >>>> On 01/08/2018, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw wrote: >>>>> Thank you, Rahul. I had also reported last fall, and they promised to >>>>> quote expedite quote the problem, and that it would make its way into >>>>> the next upgrade. It didn't, of course. With this prompting, I will >>>>> re-send in my concerns as well. In particular, footnoted trackchanges >>>>> never show up, not just sporadically, and if there are more than a >>>>> hundred changes in the document, no revisions are displayed. I will >>>>> make sure they know this. >>>>> >>>>> Laura >>>>> >>>>> On 8/1/18, Amar Jain via BlindLaw wrote: >>>>>> Hi Rahul, >>>>>> >>>>>> Glad that you reported too. >>>>>> >>>>>> I did few months back, and they wrote back saying upgrading to >>>>>> Office365 >>>>>> might help! And you know that these things are organization driven. >>>>>> Let >>>>>> me >>>>>> speak to Cory. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Amar Jain >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 01-Aug-2018, at 4:40 PM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw >>>>>>> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Everyone, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have reached out to Freedom Scientific, requesting them to fix the >>>>>>> functioning of virtual viewer in Word. As I am sure you are aware, >>>>>>> JAWS often says 'no track changes' when one presses windows+; and >>>>>>> selects 'revisions', even when there are revisions in a document. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is the quickest and simplest way to view revisions and can help >>>>>>> blind lawyers use this feature pretty much as seamlessly as their >>>>>>> sighted counterparts. However, owing to this glitch, one has to >>>>>>> access >>>>>>> revisions by adopting far more time-consuming approaches. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have reported this to FS, and two of their people are >>>>>>> investigating >>>>>>> it. I would urge members of this group to report this problem on the >>>>>>> following email IDs: Bryan Carver >>>>>> Jackson >>>>>>> and Grant Patterson >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I recall that at least 4 people had attested to this problem when I >>>>>>> had brought it up a few months ago - Angie, Laura, Sy and Amar. If >>>>>>> we >>>>>>> reach out to FS in large numbers, we may be able to get them to >>>>>>> prioritize this and fix the issue. Thank you. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>> Rahul >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/amarjain%40amarjain.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/laura.wolk%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rahul.bajaj1038%40gmail.com >>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40gmail.com >> > > From laura.wolk at gmail.com Thu Aug 9 15:10:19 2018 From: laura.wolk at gmail.com (Laura Wolk) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2018 11:10:19 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Complaining to Freedom Scientific About the Sporadic Functioning of the Virtual Viewer For Viewing Track Changes In Word In-Reply-To: References: <3A6527F3-7C33-46A9-BB41-ACD2BDCEC13C@amarjain.com> <076f1335-46c3-1f66-af6b-33b773f36fbb@gmail.com> Message-ID: For the record, that more or less mapped onto my experience. But, Rahul, can you please remind them of the footnote issue? Track changes in footnotes never show up for me regardless of how few changes there are. So it sounds like their answer is incomplete. Laura On 8/9/18, Rahul Bajaj wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > There's been an update from Freedom Scientific on this. They say that > the basic issue is that this feature doesn't work in documents that > have more than 100 revisions. This is because the processing time > required to prepare a list of revisions in such circumstances is more > than what is permissible. To fix this, they'll modify the processing > time in an upcoming JAWS update. > > I am not sure if the 100 revisions theory is accurate. I will test out > a few documents with less and more than 100 revisions to ascertain if > that is the actual issue. I was wondering what others think about > this. > > Best, > Rahul > > On 01/08/2018, Kelby Carlson wrote: >> I use NVDA now and while it doesn't have a virtual viewer, it is also >> much less likely to have huge bugs in upgrades that cause problems like >> this. I was on law review and that was actually what compelled me to >> switch screen readers, JAWS was working so badly. And, NVDA is free! >> On 8/1/2018 8:20 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw wrote: >>> Haha, yes. I'll be very happy if they fix it even for Word 16, because >>> switching office versions would be still better than perusing >>> revisions with something like quick keys. >>> >>> >>> Best, >>> Rahul >>> >>> On 01/08/2018, Laura Wolk wrote: >>>> Oh Neat. So now, best case scenario, we'll still have two >>>> semi-accessible versions of the most commonly used word processing >>>> program at our disposal if we shell out $1,000. We are so lucky. >>>> >>>> On 8/1/18, Rahul Bajaj wrote: >>>>> Thanks, Amar and Laura. >>>>> They've told me that they'll investigate the use of the virtual viewer >>>>> in Office 16 and Office 365 and cannot do anything about Office 10 >>>>> which I also use a fair bit. >>>>> >>>>> The solution has to be found in MS Office itself; using Office 365 >>>>> just for this is not feasible. >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> Rahul >>>>> >>>>> On 01/08/2018, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw wrote: >>>>>> Thank you, Rahul. I had also reported last fall, and they promised to >>>>>> quote expedite quote the problem, and that it would make its way into >>>>>> the next upgrade. It didn't, of course. With this prompting, I will >>>>>> re-send in my concerns as well. In particular, footnoted trackchanges >>>>>> never show up, not just sporadically, and if there are more than a >>>>>> hundred changes in the document, no revisions are displayed. I will >>>>>> make sure they know this. >>>>>> >>>>>> Laura >>>>>> >>>>>> On 8/1/18, Amar Jain via BlindLaw wrote: >>>>>>> Hi Rahul, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Glad that you reported too. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I did few months back, and they wrote back saying upgrading to >>>>>>> Office365 >>>>>>> might help! And you know that these things are organization driven. >>>>>>> Let >>>>>>> me >>>>>>> speak to Cory. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Amar Jain >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 01-Aug-2018, at 4:40 PM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Everyone, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have reached out to Freedom Scientific, requesting them to fix >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> functioning of virtual viewer in Word. As I am sure you are aware, >>>>>>>> JAWS often says 'no track changes' when one presses windows+; and >>>>>>>> selects 'revisions', even when there are revisions in a document. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This is the quickest and simplest way to view revisions and can >>>>>>>> help >>>>>>>> blind lawyers use this feature pretty much as seamlessly as their >>>>>>>> sighted counterparts. However, owing to this glitch, one has to >>>>>>>> access >>>>>>>> revisions by adopting far more time-consuming approaches. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have reported this to FS, and two of their people are >>>>>>>> investigating >>>>>>>> it. I would urge members of this group to report this problem on >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> following email IDs: Bryan Carver >>>>>>> Jackson >>>>>>>> and Grant Patterson >>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I recall that at least 4 people had attested to this problem when I >>>>>>>> had brought it up a few months ago - Angie, Laura, Sy and Amar. If >>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>> reach out to FS in large numbers, we may be able to get them to >>>>>>>> prioritize this and fix the issue. Thank you. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>> Rahul >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/amarjain%40amarjain.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/laura.wolk%40gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rahul.bajaj1038%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40gmail.com >>> >> >> > From amarjain at amarjain.com Thu Aug 9 15:17:46 2018 From: amarjain at amarjain.com (Amar Jain) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2018 20:47:46 +0530 Subject: [blindlaw] Complaining to Freedom Scientific About the Sporadic Functioning of the Virtual Viewer For Viewing Track Changes In Word In-Reply-To: References: <3A6527F3-7C33-46A9-BB41-ACD2BDCEC13C@amarjain.com> <076f1335-46c3-1f66-af6b-33b773f36fbb@gmail.com> Message-ID: <17948DA2-F229-4C7A-8773-BE83E755AC74@amarjain.com> While I can’t reproduce this every time, but I have observed this happening with less then 100 revisions as well. Regards, Amar Jain Sent from my iPhone > On 09-Aug-2018, at 8:40 PM, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw wrote: > > For the record, that more or less mapped onto my experience. But, > Rahul, can you please remind them of the footnote issue? Track changes > in footnotes never show up for me regardless of how few changes there > are. So it sounds like their answer is incomplete. > > Laura > >> On 8/9/18, Rahul Bajaj wrote: >> Hi Everyone, >> >> There's been an update from Freedom Scientific on this. They say that >> the basic issue is that this feature doesn't work in documents that >> have more than 100 revisions. This is because the processing time >> required to prepare a list of revisions in such circumstances is more >> than what is permissible. To fix this, they'll modify the processing >> time in an upcoming JAWS update. >> >> I am not sure if the 100 revisions theory is accurate. I will test out >> a few documents with less and more than 100 revisions to ascertain if >> that is the actual issue. I was wondering what others think about >> this. >> >> Best, >> Rahul >> >>> On 01/08/2018, Kelby Carlson wrote: >>> I use NVDA now and while it doesn't have a virtual viewer, it is also >>> much less likely to have huge bugs in upgrades that cause problems like >>> this. I was on law review and that was actually what compelled me to >>> switch screen readers, JAWS was working so badly. And, NVDA is free! >>>> On 8/1/2018 8:20 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw wrote: >>>> Haha, yes. I'll be very happy if they fix it even for Word 16, because >>>> switching office versions would be still better than perusing >>>> revisions with something like quick keys. >>>> >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Rahul >>>> >>>>> On 01/08/2018, Laura Wolk wrote: >>>>> Oh Neat. So now, best case scenario, we'll still have two >>>>> semi-accessible versions of the most commonly used word processing >>>>> program at our disposal if we shell out $1,000. We are so lucky. >>>>> >>>>>> On 8/1/18, Rahul Bajaj wrote: >>>>>> Thanks, Amar and Laura. >>>>>> They've told me that they'll investigate the use of the virtual viewer >>>>>> in Office 16 and Office 365 and cannot do anything about Office 10 >>>>>> which I also use a fair bit. >>>>>> >>>>>> The solution has to be found in MS Office itself; using Office 365 >>>>>> just for this is not feasible. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> Rahul >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 01/08/2018, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw wrote: >>>>>>> Thank you, Rahul. I had also reported last fall, and they promised to >>>>>>> quote expedite quote the problem, and that it would make its way into >>>>>>> the next upgrade. It didn't, of course. With this prompting, I will >>>>>>> re-send in my concerns as well. In particular, footnoted trackchanges >>>>>>> never show up, not just sporadically, and if there are more than a >>>>>>> hundred changes in the document, no revisions are displayed. I will >>>>>>> make sure they know this. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Laura >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 8/1/18, Amar Jain via BlindLaw wrote: >>>>>>>> Hi Rahul, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Glad that you reported too. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I did few months back, and they wrote back saying upgrading to >>>>>>>> Office365 >>>>>>>> might help! And you know that these things are organization driven. >>>>>>>> Let >>>>>>>> me >>>>>>>> speak to Cory. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> Amar Jain >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 01-Aug-2018, at 4:40 PM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Everyone, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have reached out to Freedom Scientific, requesting them to fix >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> functioning of virtual viewer in Word. As I am sure you are aware, >>>>>>>>> JAWS often says 'no track changes' when one presses windows+; and >>>>>>>>> selects 'revisions', even when there are revisions in a document. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This is the quickest and simplest way to view revisions and can >>>>>>>>> help >>>>>>>>> blind lawyers use this feature pretty much as seamlessly as their >>>>>>>>> sighted counterparts. However, owing to this glitch, one has to >>>>>>>>> access >>>>>>>>> revisions by adopting far more time-consuming approaches. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have reported this to FS, and two of their people are >>>>>>>>> investigating >>>>>>>>> it. I would urge members of this group to report this problem on >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> following email IDs: Bryan Carver >>>>>>>> Jackson >>>>>>>>> and Grant Patterson >>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I recall that at least 4 people had attested to this problem when I >>>>>>>>> had brought it up a few months ago - Angie, Laura, Sy and Amar. If >>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>> reach out to FS in large numbers, we may be able to get them to >>>>>>>>> prioritize this and fix the issue. Thank you. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>> Rahul >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/amarjain%40amarjain.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/laura.wolk%40gmail.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rahul.bajaj1038%40gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> BlindLaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/amarjain%40amarjain.com From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com Thu Aug 9 16:11:04 2018 From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2018 21:41:04 +0530 Subject: [blindlaw] Complaining to Freedom Scientific About the Sporadic Functioning of the Virtual Viewer For Viewing Track Changes In Word In-Reply-To: <17948DA2-F229-4C7A-8773-BE83E755AC74@amarjain.com> References: <3A6527F3-7C33-46A9-BB41-ACD2BDCEC13C@amarjain.com> <076f1335-46c3-1f66-af6b-33b773f36fbb@gmail.com> <17948DA2-F229-4C7A-8773-BE83E755AC74@amarjain.com> Message-ID: <690574C7-761E-47A6-885E-0E464D6BA934@gmail.com> On deeper reflection, I think I have also seen this happening with as few as 40 revisions. Perhaps it could be attributable to the same cause? Will bring up the footnote issue. Best, Rahul Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 9, 2018, at 8:47 PM, Amar Jain wrote: > > While I can’t reproduce this every time, but I have observed this happening with less then 100 revisions as well. > > Regards, > Amar Jain > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 09-Aug-2018, at 8:40 PM, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw wrote: >> >> For the record, that more or less mapped onto my experience. But, >> Rahul, can you please remind them of the footnote issue? Track changes >> in footnotes never show up for me regardless of how few changes there >> are. So it sounds like their answer is incomplete. >> >> Laura >> >>> On 8/9/18, Rahul Bajaj wrote: >>> Hi Everyone, >>> >>> There's been an update from Freedom Scientific on this. They say that >>> the basic issue is that this feature doesn't work in documents that >>> have more than 100 revisions. This is because the processing time >>> required to prepare a list of revisions in such circumstances is more >>> than what is permissible. To fix this, they'll modify the processing >>> time in an upcoming JAWS update. >>> >>> I am not sure if the 100 revisions theory is accurate. I will test out >>> a few documents with less and more than 100 revisions to ascertain if >>> that is the actual issue. I was wondering what others think about >>> this. >>> >>> Best, >>> Rahul >>> >>>> On 01/08/2018, Kelby Carlson wrote: >>>> I use NVDA now and while it doesn't have a virtual viewer, it is also >>>> much less likely to have huge bugs in upgrades that cause problems like >>>> this. I was on law review and that was actually what compelled me to >>>> switch screen readers, JAWS was working so badly. And, NVDA is free! >>>>> On 8/1/2018 8:20 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw wrote: >>>>> Haha, yes. I'll be very happy if they fix it even for Word 16, because >>>>> switching office versions would be still better than perusing >>>>> revisions with something like quick keys. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> Rahul >>>>> >>>>>> On 01/08/2018, Laura Wolk wrote: >>>>>> Oh Neat. So now, best case scenario, we'll still have two >>>>>> semi-accessible versions of the most commonly used word processing >>>>>> program at our disposal if we shell out $1,000. We are so lucky. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 8/1/18, Rahul Bajaj wrote: >>>>>>> Thanks, Amar and Laura. >>>>>>> They've told me that they'll investigate the use of the virtual viewer >>>>>>> in Office 16 and Office 365 and cannot do anything about Office 10 >>>>>>> which I also use a fair bit. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The solution has to be found in MS Office itself; using Office 365 >>>>>>> just for this is not feasible. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>> Rahul >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 01/08/2018, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw wrote: >>>>>>>> Thank you, Rahul. I had also reported last fall, and they promised to >>>>>>>> quote expedite quote the problem, and that it would make its way into >>>>>>>> the next upgrade. It didn't, of course. With this prompting, I will >>>>>>>> re-send in my concerns as well. In particular, footnoted trackchanges >>>>>>>> never show up, not just sporadically, and if there are more than a >>>>>>>> hundred changes in the document, no revisions are displayed. I will >>>>>>>> make sure they know this. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Laura >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 8/1/18, Amar Jain via BlindLaw wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hi Rahul, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Glad that you reported too. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I did few months back, and they wrote back saying upgrading to >>>>>>>>> Office365 >>>>>>>>> might help! And you know that these things are organization driven. >>>>>>>>> Let >>>>>>>>> me >>>>>>>>> speak to Cory. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>> Amar Jain >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 01-Aug-2018, at 4:40 PM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Everyone, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have reached out to Freedom Scientific, requesting them to fix >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> functioning of virtual viewer in Word. As I am sure you are aware, >>>>>>>>>> JAWS often says 'no track changes' when one presses windows+; and >>>>>>>>>> selects 'revisions', even when there are revisions in a document. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This is the quickest and simplest way to view revisions and can >>>>>>>>>> help >>>>>>>>>> blind lawyers use this feature pretty much as seamlessly as their >>>>>>>>>> sighted counterparts. However, owing to this glitch, one has to >>>>>>>>>> access >>>>>>>>>> revisions by adopting far more time-consuming approaches. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have reported this to FS, and two of their people are >>>>>>>>>> investigating >>>>>>>>>> it. I would urge members of this group to report this problem on >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> following email IDs: Bryan Carver >>>>>>>>> Jackson >>>>>>>>>> and Grant Patterson >>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I recall that at least 4 people had attested to this problem when I >>>>>>>>>> had brought it up a few months ago - Angie, Laura, Sy and Amar. If >>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>> reach out to FS in large numbers, we may be able to get them to >>>>>>>>>> prioritize this and fix the issue. Thank you. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>>> Rahul >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/amarjain%40amarjain.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/laura.wolk%40gmail.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rahul.bajaj1038%40gmail.com >>>>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/amarjain%40amarjain.com > From rene0373 at gmail.com Thu Aug 9 17:19:23 2018 From: rene0373 at gmail.com (Elizabeth Rene) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2018 10:19:23 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Immigration law text Message-ID: <28FC7E4D-C669-4C33-8E62-7F00941DA793@gmail.com> Thanks for the great suggestions, list mates, I especially like the one about going to the publisher for a PDF copy, expense of though it maybe. The printed text goes for $500. But it contains all the forms needed for practice in the immigration court. With a PDF text, I could create form fillable copies of the forms and use them on my computer. I’ll let you know if I have any luck. This will be a big gulp for me pricewise since I am a solo practitioner, but I am taking pro bono asylum petitions from the Northwest Immigration Rights Project, a local nonprofit, and that might motivate the publisher to give me a break. NWIRP has already sent me a bunch of tutorials and forms, and will be supervising me closely at first, so I’m already off to a decent start. Thanks again, Elizabeth Elizabeth M René Attorney at Law WSBA #10710 KCBA #21824 rene0373 at gmail.com From NSingh at cov.com Thu Aug 9 17:28:35 2018 From: NSingh at cov.com (Singh, Nandini) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2018 17:28:35 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Immigration law text In-Reply-To: <28FC7E4D-C669-4C33-8E62-7F00941DA793@gmail.com> References: <28FC7E4D-C669-4C33-8E62-7F00941DA793@gmail.com> Message-ID: You may consider reaching out to your state bar, many of which have a pro bono fund to support pro bono representation. It may be worth asking if it can give you some money to cover the costs. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 1:19 PM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Cc: Elizabeth Rene Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Immigration law text Thanks for the great suggestions, list mates, I especially like the one about going to the publisher for a PDF copy, expense of though it maybe. The printed text goes for $500. But it contains all the forms needed for practice in the immigration court. With a PDF text, I could create form fillable copies of the forms and use them on my computer. I’ll let you know if I have any luck. This will be a big gulp for me pricewise since I am a solo practitioner, but I am taking pro bono asylum petitions from the Northwest Immigration Rights Project, a local nonprofit, and that might motivate the publisher to give me a break. NWIRP has already sent me a bunch of tutorials and forms, and will be supervising me closely at first, so I’m already off to a decent start. Thanks again, Elizabeth Elizabeth M René Attorney at Law WSBA #10710 KCBA #21824 rene0373 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/nsingh%40cov.com From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Thu Aug 9 18:05:19 2018 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2018 18:05:19 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] FW: [WADA] WACDA is hiring - Litigation Associate Attorney In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: From: washingtonattorneyswithdisabilitiesassociation at googlegroups.com [mailto:washingtonattorneyswithdisabilitiesassociation at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Conrad Reynoldson Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 10:19 AM To: WashingtonAttorneyswithDisabilitiesAssociation at googlegroups.com Subject: [WADA] WACDA is hiring - Litigation Associate Attorney Washington Civil & Disability Advocate (WACDA) is hiring a litigation associate attorney to increase our capacity for litigation, settlements, and advocacy. 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It wasn’t necessarily downloadable, but one could work with it. You would require a login to get into this database, but perhaps the legal aid program you are doing the pro bono cases for would share their login with you so you can try it. Sent from my iPhone *This message may contain legally privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify me immediately and delete all copies of this message. > On Aug 9, 2018, at 1:28 PM, Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw wrote: > > You may consider reaching out to your state bar, many of which have a pro bono fund to support pro bono representation. It may be worth asking if it can give you some money to cover the costs. > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw > Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 1:19 PM > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Cc: Elizabeth Rene > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Immigration law text > > Thanks for the great suggestions, list mates, > I especially like the one about going to the publisher for a PDF copy, expense of though it maybe. The printed text goes for $500. But it contains all the forms needed for practice in the immigration court. With a PDF text, I could create form fillable copies of the forms and use them on my computer. > I’ll let you know if I have any luck. This will be a big gulp for me pricewise since I am a solo practitioner, but I am taking pro bono asylum petitions from the Northwest Immigration Rights Project, a local nonprofit, and that might motivate the publisher to give me a break. NWIRP has already sent me a bunch of tutorials and forms, and will be supervising me closely at first, so I’m already off to a decent start. > Thanks again, > Elizabeth > > Elizabeth M René > Attorney at Law > WSBA #10710 > KCBA #21824 > rene0373 at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/nsingh%40cov.com > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jlynnbarrow%40gmail.com From slabarre at labarrelaw.com Fri Aug 10 14:06:11 2018 From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. 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Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 88 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rene0373 at gmail.com Fri Aug 10 16:11:02 2018 From: rene0373 at gmail.com (Elizabeth Rene) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 09:11:02 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Immigration Law Text Message-ID: Thanks again. Elizabeth M René Attorney at Law WSBA #10710 KCBA #21824 rene0373 at gmail.com From fwlopez at comcast.net Fri Aug 10 20:04:50 2018 From: fwlopez at comcast.net (Fred Wright Lopez) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 13:04:50 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Immigration law text In-Reply-To: <28FC7E4D-C669-4C33-8E62-7F00941DA793@gmail.com> References: <28FC7E4D-C669-4C33-8E62-7F00941DA793@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0B877FFA-7B43-4B42-B396-D940D4B3AB40@comcast.net> Sorry for not responding earlier to your post; I’ve been out town for a while. I just recently obtained an electronic copy (along with a print copy) of Kurzban’s 14th Edition “Immigration Law Source Bood”. Downloaded electronic version to my IMac and Ipd with no problem. Although retired, I do some pro bono asylum cases for unaccompanied children. I am a member of AILA (American Immigration Lawyer’s Association). I contact AILA headquarters and was referred to AGORA (the AILA publication department). Initially by phone then by email I explained my lack of vision, my pro bono work and need for an electronic copy of the new Kurzban book. In quick order AILA accommodated my my request. AILA / AGORA sent me a download file and mailed me the print version for the same price as if I had just purchased the print book. Hope this is of some help. Please contact me if I can be of assistance. Fred Federico Wright Lopez DC Bar #355529 > On Aug 9, 2018, at 10:19 AM, Elizabeth Rene via BlindLaw wrote: > > Thanks for the great suggestions, list mates, > I especially like the one about going to the publisher for a PDF copy, expense of though it maybe. The printed text goes for $500. But it contains all the forms needed for practice in the immigration court. With a PDF text, I could create form fillable copies of the forms and use them on my computer. > I’ll let you know if I have any luck. This will be a big gulp for me pricewise since I am a solo practitioner, but I am taking pro bono asylum petitions from the Northwest Immigration Rights Project, a local nonprofit, and that might motivate the publisher to give me a break. NWIRP has already sent me a bunch of tutorials and forms, and will be supervising me closely at first, so I’m already off to a decent start. > Thanks again, > Elizabeth > > Elizabeth M René > Attorney at Law > WSBA #10710 > KCBA #21824 > rene0373 at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/fwlopez%40comcast.net From rene0373 at gmail.com Sat Aug 11 18:12:33 2018 From: rene0373 at gmail.com (Elizabeth Rene) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2018 11:12:33 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] immigration law text Message-ID: <98F05A99-9CFB-4C25-8CAA-4D8180D616E1@gmail.com> Thanks Fred, I am absolutely delighted with your post. I know about AILA and plan to join, along with the federal bar. I have learned that both offer excellent CLEs in immigration law. I’ll follow your suggestion. Warm regards, Elizabeth Elizabeth M René Attorney at Law WSBA #10710 KCBA #21824 rene0373 at gmail.com From kelbycarlson at gmail.com Sat Aug 11 18:17:10 2018 From: kelbycarlson at gmail.com (kelby carlson) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2018 14:17:10 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Criminal Prosecution/Defense in Court Message-ID: <1FDD458B-4A00-481F-8693-A32E32DE5558@gmail.com> Is there anyone on the list that regularly does criminal litigation in court, either defense or prosecution? I would like to talk through how you handle visual exhibips during hearings and trials. Response here is appreciated, but feel free also to contact me offlist. kelbycarlson at gmail.com Thanks, Kelby Sent from my iPhone From jtfetter at yahoo.com Sat Aug 11 22:21:07 2018 From: jtfetter at yahoo.com (James Fetter) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2018 18:21:07 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Criminal Prosecution/Defense in Court In-Reply-To: <1FDD458B-4A00-481F-8693-A32E32DE5558@gmail.com> References: <1FDD458B-4A00-481F-8693-A32E32DE5558@gmail.com> Message-ID: <28E4E199-D412-4A6E-944F-9517BE3547E1@yahoo.com> This is a great question and one that I would love more information about as well, whether on the criminal or the civil side. My previous employer decided not to make me an offer in no small part because they assumed that I would be unable to handle visual evidence. I would definitely appreciate knowing how to put to rest a future employer’s fears about this. Please feel free to respond directly to me, if you prefer. Thanks. All best, James Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 11, 2018, at 2:17 PM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw wrote: > > Is there anyone on the list that regularly does criminal litigation in court, either defense or prosecution? I would like to talk through how you handle visual exhibips during hearings and trials. Response here is appreciated, but feel free also to contact me offlist. kelbycarlson at gmail.com > > Thanks, > > Kelby > > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yahoo.com From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Sat Aug 11 22:31:31 2018 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2018 18:31:31 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Criminal Prosecution/Defense in Court Message-ID: <5b6f63c5.1c69fb81.af20c.9f6c@mx.google.com> I would suggest that you handle visual evidence by making notes about it in your briefs on each case. You could put notes about the visual evidence in the briefs on each case. On Aug 11, 2018 6:21 PM, James Fetter via BlindLaw wrote: > > This is a great question and one that I would love more information about as well, whether on the criminal or the civil side. My previous employer decided not to make me an offer in no small part because they assumed that I would be unable to handle visual evidence. I would definitely appreciate knowing how to put to rest a future employer’s fears about this. Please feel free to respond directly to me, if you prefer. Thanks. > All best, > James > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Aug 11, 2018, at 2:17 PM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw wrote: > > > > Is there anyone on the list that regularly does criminal litigation in court, either defense or prosecution? I would like to talk through how you handle visual exhibips during hearings and trials. Response here is appreciated, but feel free also to contact me offlist. kelbycarlson at gmail.com > > > > Thanks, > > > > Kelby > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > > BlindLaw mailing list > > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rbacchus228%40gmail.com From GHardy at harrisbrun.com Sat Aug 11 22:38:11 2018 From: GHardy at harrisbrun.com (Graham Hardy) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2018 22:38:11 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Criminal Prosecution/Defense in Court In-Reply-To: <28E4E199-D412-4A6E-944F-9517BE3547E1@yahoo.com> References: <1FDD458B-4A00-481F-8693-A32E32DE5558@gmail.com>, <28E4E199-D412-4A6E-944F-9517BE3547E1@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7D494B24-F6F4-485C-ABC4-FBCF7407AACC@harrisbrun.com> When you're asking this question, what, specifically, are you worried about? The analysis of a diagram or picture? or describing them to others? or directing a witness' attention to aspects of them? or somehow keeping track of them? It seems worth breaking down the problem into smaller problems. Graham Hardy | Lawyer 604-608-2043 | ghardy at harrisbrun.com [Harris & Brun - Barristers & Solicitors] HARRIS & BRUN LAW CORPORATION - Barristers & Solicitors 500 - 555 West Georgia Vancouver BC V6B 1Z6 Phone: 604-683-2466 Fax: 604-683-4541 www.harrisbrun.com [http://www.harrisbrun.com/wordpress/email_signature/divide.gif] This transmission is directed in confidence solely to the person named above, and may not otherwise be distributed, copied or disclosed. The contents of this transmission may also be subject to solicitor-client privilege and all rights to that privilege are expressly claimed and not waived. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify us immediately by telephone (collect if necessary) at (604) 683-2466, and destroy the original transmission without making a copy. Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. On Aug 11, 2018, at 3:22 PM, James Fetter via BlindLaw > wrote: This is a great question and one that I would love more information about as well, whether on the criminal or the civil side. My previous employer decided not to make me an offer in no small part because they assumed that I would be unable to handle visual evidence. I would definitely appreciate knowing how to put to rest a future employer’s fears about this. Please feel free to respond directly to me, if you prefer. Thanks. All best, James Sent from my iPhone On Aug 11, 2018, at 2:17 PM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw > wrote: Is there anyone on the list that regularly does criminal litigation in court, either defense or prosecution? I would like to talk through how you handle visual exhibips during hearings and trials. Response here is appreciated, but feel free also to contact me offlist. kelbycarlson at gmail.com Thanks, Kelby Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yahoo.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ghardy%40harrisbrun.com From kelbycarlson at gmail.com Sat Aug 11 22:47:30 2018 From: kelbycarlson at gmail.com (kelby carlson) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2018 18:47:30 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Criminal Prosecution/Defense in Court In-Reply-To: <7D494B24-F6F4-485C-ABC4-FBCF7407AACC@harrisbrun.com> References: <1FDD458B-4A00-481F-8693-A32E32DE5558@gmail.com> <28E4E199-D412-4A6E-944F-9517BE3547E1@yahoo.com> <7D494B24-F6F4-485C-ABC4-FBCF7407AACC@harrisbrun.com> Message-ID: <73127A65-A547-4789-BA4D-A983CF915882@gmail.com> I ask based on an interview this week. I think the employer was most concerned about how I would deal with new evidence offered by the other side during court proceedings if I didn't have someone there to describe it to me. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 11, 2018, at 6:38 PM, Graham Hardy via BlindLaw wrote: > > When you're asking this question, what, specifically, are you worried about? The analysis of a diagram or picture? or describing them to others? or directing a witness' attention to aspects of them? or somehow keeping track of them? It seems worth breaking down the problem into smaller problems. > > Graham Hardy | Lawyer 604-608-2043 | ghardy at harrisbrun.com > [Harris & Brun - Barristers & Solicitors] > > HARRIS & BRUN LAW CORPORATION - Barristers & Solicitors > 500 - 555 West Georgia Vancouver BC V6B 1Z6 > Phone: 604-683-2466 Fax: 604-683-4541 www.harrisbrun.com > [http://www.harrisbrun.com/wordpress/email_signature/divide.gif] > > This transmission is directed in confidence solely to the person named above, and may not otherwise be distributed, copied or disclosed. The contents of this transmission may also be subject to solicitor-client privilege and all rights to that privilege are expressly claimed and not waived. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify us immediately by telephone (collect if necessary) at (604) 683-2466, and destroy the original transmission without making a copy. > Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. > > > On Aug 11, 2018, at 3:22 PM, James Fetter via BlindLaw > wrote: > > This is a great question and one that I would love more information about as well, whether on the criminal or the civil side. My previous employer decided not to make me an offer in no small part because they assumed that I would be unable to handle visual evidence. I would definitely appreciate knowing how to put to rest a future employer’s fears about this. Please feel free to respond directly to me, if you prefer. Thanks. > All best, > James > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 11, 2018, at 2:17 PM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw > wrote: > > Is there anyone on the list that regularly does criminal litigation in court, either defense or prosecution? I would like to talk through how you handle visual exhibips during hearings and trials. Response here is appreciated, but feel free also to contact me offlist. kelbycarlson at gmail.com > > Thanks, > > Kelby > > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ghardy%40harrisbrun.com > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40gmail.com From jtfetter at yahoo.com Sun Aug 12 00:12:59 2018 From: jtfetter at yahoo.com (James Fetter) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2018 20:12:59 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Criminal Prosecution/Defense in Court In-Reply-To: <73127A65-A547-4789-BA4D-A983CF915882@gmail.com> References: <1FDD458B-4A00-481F-8693-A32E32DE5558@gmail.com> <28E4E199-D412-4A6E-944F-9517BE3547E1@yahoo.com> <7D494B24-F6F4-485C-ABC4-FBCF7407AACC@harrisbrun.com> <73127A65-A547-4789-BA4D-A983CF915882@gmail.com> Message-ID: <96F900D0-9915-49DF-904E-E0FD4DC941CB@yahoo.com> Fooor my part, I would like to hear about experiences handling visual evidence in various situations: in court, during discovery, in presentations, etc. I’m actually not all that worried about being able to handle such evidence. I can’t believe that either Aira, a legal secretary, etc. could not provide the necessary descriptions, especially if I had any lead time at all before having to deal with the evidence in some way. But I want to have a good answer—a tried and true method—that I can present to a nervous prospective employer. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 11, 2018, at 6:47 PM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw wrote: > > I ask based on an interview this week. I think the employer was most concerned about how I would deal with new evidence offered by the other side during court proceedings if I didn't have someone there to describe it to me. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 11, 2018, at 6:38 PM, Graham Hardy via BlindLaw wrote: >> >> When you're asking this question, what, specifically, are you worried about? The analysis of a diagram or picture? or describing them to others? or directing a witness' attention to aspects of them? or somehow keeping track of them? It seems worth breaking down the problem into smaller problems. >> >> Graham Hardy | Lawyer 604-608-2043 | ghardy at harrisbrun.com >> [Harris & Brun - Barristers & Solicitors] >> >> HARRIS & BRUN LAW CORPORATION - Barristers & Solicitors >> 500 - 555 West Georgia Vancouver BC V6B 1Z6 >> Phone: 604-683-2466 Fax: 604-683-4541 www.harrisbrun.com >> [http://www.harrisbrun.com/wordpress/email_signature/divide.gif] >> >> This transmission is directed in confidence solely to the person named above, and may not otherwise be distributed, copied or disclosed. The contents of this transmission may also be subject to solicitor-client privilege and all rights to that privilege are expressly claimed and not waived. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify us immediately by telephone (collect if necessary) at (604) 683-2466, and destroy the original transmission without making a copy. >> Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. >> >> >> On Aug 11, 2018, at 3:22 PM, James Fetter via BlindLaw > wrote: >> >> This is a great question and one that I would love more information about as well, whether on the criminal or the civil side. My previous employer decided not to make me an offer in no small part because they assumed that I would be unable to handle visual evidence. I would definitely appreciate knowing how to put to rest a future employer’s fears about this. Please feel free to respond directly to me, if you prefer. Thanks. >> All best, >> James >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Aug 11, 2018, at 2:17 PM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw > wrote: >> >> Is there anyone on the list that regularly does criminal litigation in court, either defense or prosecution? I would like to talk through how you handle visual exhibips during hearings and trials. Response here is appreciated, but feel free also to contact me offlist. kelbycarlson at gmail.com >> >> Thanks, >> >> Kelby >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ghardy%40harrisbrun.com >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yahoo.com From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com Sun Aug 12 05:38:54 2018 From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 11:08:54 +0530 Subject: [blindlaw] Criminal Prosecution/Defense in Court In-Reply-To: <96F900D0-9915-49DF-904E-E0FD4DC941CB@yahoo.com> References: <1FDD458B-4A00-481F-8693-A32E32DE5558@gmail.com> <28E4E199-D412-4A6E-944F-9517BE3547E1@yahoo.com> <7D494B24-F6F4-485C-ABC4-FBCF7407AACC@harrisbrun.com> <73127A65-A547-4789-BA4D-A983CF915882@gmail.com> <96F900D0-9915-49DF-904E-E0FD4DC941CB@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Kelby, You might like to peruse this interview that we conducted of a blind judge in San Diego who sat on an arraignment court for 18 years: https://idialaw.com/blog/idap-interview-series-interview-xii-with-judge-david-szumowski/ In particular, please see his responses to questions 15 and 16. Responses to 8 and 9 may also be relevant. I don't think there is a good substitute for an efficient sighted reader in such circumstances. Someone who can describe the information captured in a piece of visual evidence to you in textual form. It is true that this would entail additional effort on the part of an employer, but there can be no gainsaying the fact that this would fall within the four squares of a reasonable accommodation. Insofar as the issue of the opposite side bringing such evidence on record in court is concerned, I see no impediment in requesting the concerned judge to grant you additional time to work with your assistant to parse the evidence. If such a rule doesn't already exist in the concerned court's rules of practice, I would submit that you should advocate for the insertion of such a rule. So, even though my knowledge in this area only flows from my conversations with blind legal professionals, I think the short answer is that it is doable, albeit with some extra effort. Would an employer be willing to make that effort is a far harder question. Best, Rahul On 12/08/2018, James Fetter via BlindLaw wrote: > Fooor my part, I would like to hear about experiences handling visual > evidence in various situations: in court, during discovery, in > presentations, etc. I’m actually not all that worried about being able to > handle such evidence. I can’t believe that either Aira, a legal secretary, > etc. could not provide the necessary descriptions, especially if I had any > lead time at all before having to deal with the evidence in some way. But I > want to have a good answer—a tried and true method—that I can present to a > nervous prospective employer. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 11, 2018, at 6:47 PM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw >> wrote: >> >> I ask based on an interview this week. I think the employer was most >> concerned about how I would deal with new evidence offered by the other >> side during court proceedings if I didn't have someone there to describe >> it to me. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Aug 11, 2018, at 6:38 PM, Graham Hardy via BlindLaw >>> wrote: >>> >>> When you're asking this question, what, specifically, are you worried >>> about? The analysis of a diagram or picture? or describing them to >>> others? or directing a witness' attention to aspects of them? or somehow >>> keeping track of them? It seems worth breaking down the problem into >>> smaller problems. >>> >>> Graham Hardy | Lawyer 604-608-2043 | >>> ghardy at harrisbrun.com >>> [Harris & Brun - Barristers & Solicitors] >>> >>> HARRIS & BRUN LAW CORPORATION - Barristers & Solicitors >>> 500 - 555 West Georgia Vancouver BC V6B >>> 1Z6 >>> Phone: 604-683-2466 Fax: >>> 604-683-4541 >>> www.harrisbrun.com >>> [http://www.harrisbrun.com/wordpress/email_signature/divide.gif] >>> >>> This transmission is directed in confidence solely to the person named >>> above, and may not otherwise be distributed, copied or disclosed. The >>> contents of this transmission may also be subject to solicitor-client >>> privilege and all rights to that privilege are expressly claimed and not >>> waived. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify us >>> immediately by telephone (collect if necessary) at (604) >>> 683-2466, and destroy the original transmission >>> without making a copy. >>> Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. >>> >>> >>> On Aug 11, 2018, at 3:22 PM, James Fetter via BlindLaw >>> > wrote: >>> >>> This is a great question and one that I would love more information about >>> as well, whether on the criminal or the civil side. My previous employer >>> decided not to make me an offer in no small part because they assumed >>> that I would be unable to handle visual evidence. I would definitely >>> appreciate knowing how to put to rest a future employer’s fears about >>> this. Please feel free to respond directly to me, if you prefer. Thanks. >>> All best, >>> James >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Aug 11, 2018, at 2:17 PM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw >>> > wrote: >>> >>> Is there anyone on the list that regularly does criminal litigation in >>> court, either defense or prosecution? I would like to talk through how >>> you handle visual exhibips during hearings and trials. Response here is >>> appreciated, but feel free also to contact me offlist. >>> kelbycarlson at gmail.com >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Kelby >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ghardy%40harrisbrun.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rahul.bajaj1038%40gmail.com > From kelbycarlson at gmail.com Sun Aug 12 11:14:35 2018 From: kelbycarlson at gmail.com (kelby carlson) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 07:14:35 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Criminal Prosecution/Defense in Court In-Reply-To: References: <1FDD458B-4A00-481F-8693-A32E32DE5558@gmail.com> <28E4E199-D412-4A6E-944F-9517BE3547E1@yahoo.com> <7D494B24-F6F4-485C-ABC4-FBCF7407AACC@harrisbrun.com> <73127A65-A547-4789-BA4D-A983CF915882@gmail.com> <96F900D0-9915-49DF-904E-E0FD4DC941CB@yahoo.com> Message-ID: This also is helpful, than you. At least in this case the employer pretty much straight up said they would deny an accommodation like do to short staffing (this was a government employer). Perhaps I got the wrong impression from the interview, we'll see. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 12, 2018, at 1:38 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw wrote: > > Kelby, > > You might like to peruse this interview that we conducted of a blind > judge in San Diego who sat on an arraignment court for 18 years: > https://idialaw.com/blog/idap-interview-series-interview-xii-with-judge-david-szumowski/ > In particular, please see his responses to questions 15 and 16. > Responses to 8 and 9 may also be relevant. > > I don't think there is a good substitute for an efficient sighted > reader in such circumstances. Someone who can describe the information > captured in a piece of visual evidence to you in textual form. It is > true that this would entail additional effort on the part of an > employer, but there can be no gainsaying the fact that this would fall > within the four squares of a reasonable accommodation. > > Insofar as the issue of the opposite side bringing such evidence on > record in court is concerned, I see no impediment in requesting the > concerned judge to grant you additional time to work with your > assistant to parse the evidence. If such a rule doesn't already exist > in the concerned court's rules of practice, I would submit that you > should advocate for the insertion of such a rule. > > So, even though my knowledge in this area only flows from my > conversations with blind legal professionals, I think the short answer > is that it is doable, albeit with some extra effort. Would an employer > be willing to make that effort is a far harder question. > > Best, > Rahul > >> On 12/08/2018, James Fetter via BlindLaw wrote: >> Fooor my part, I would like to hear about experiences handling visual >> evidence in various situations: in court, during discovery, in >> presentations, etc. I’m actually not all that worried about being able to >> handle such evidence. I can’t believe that either Aira, a legal secretary, >> etc. could not provide the necessary descriptions, especially if I had any >> lead time at all before having to deal with the evidence in some way. But I >> want to have a good answer—a tried and true method—that I can present to a >> nervous prospective employer. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Aug 11, 2018, at 6:47 PM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw >>> wrote: >>> >>> I ask based on an interview this week. I think the employer was most >>> concerned about how I would deal with new evidence offered by the other >>> side during court proceedings if I didn't have someone there to describe >>> it to me. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Aug 11, 2018, at 6:38 PM, Graham Hardy via BlindLaw >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> When you're asking this question, what, specifically, are you worried >>>> about? The analysis of a diagram or picture? or describing them to >>>> others? or directing a witness' attention to aspects of them? or somehow >>>> keeping track of them? It seems worth breaking down the problem into >>>> smaller problems. >>>> >>>> Graham Hardy | Lawyer 604-608-2043 | >>>> ghardy at harrisbrun.com >>>> [Harris & Brun - Barristers & Solicitors] >>>> >>>> HARRIS & BRUN LAW CORPORATION - Barristers & Solicitors >>>> 500 - 555 West Georgia Vancouver BC V6B >>>> 1Z6 >>>> Phone: 604-683-2466 Fax: >>>> 604-683-4541 >>>> www.harrisbrun.com >>>> [http://www.harrisbrun.com/wordpress/email_signature/divide.gif] >>>> >>>> This transmission is directed in confidence solely to the person named >>>> above, and may not otherwise be distributed, copied or disclosed. The >>>> contents of this transmission may also be subject to solicitor-client >>>> privilege and all rights to that privilege are expressly claimed and not >>>> waived. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify us >>>> immediately by telephone (collect if necessary) at (604) >>>> 683-2466, and destroy the original transmission >>>> without making a copy. >>>> Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Aug 11, 2018, at 3:22 PM, James Fetter via BlindLaw >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> This is a great question and one that I would love more information about >>>> as well, whether on the criminal or the civil side. My previous employer >>>> decided not to make me an offer in no small part because they assumed >>>> that I would be unable to handle visual evidence. I would definitely >>>> appreciate knowing how to put to rest a future employer’s fears about >>>> this. Please feel free to respond directly to me, if you prefer. Thanks. >>>> All best, >>>> James >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Aug 11, 2018, at 2:17 PM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> Is there anyone on the list that regularly does criminal litigation in >>>> court, either defense or prosecution? I would like to talk through how >>>> you handle visual exhibips during hearings and trials. Response here is >>>> appreciated, but feel free also to contact me offlist. >>>> kelbycarlson at gmail.com >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Kelby >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> BlindLaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yahoo.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> BlindLaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ghardy%40harrisbrun.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> BlindLaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rahul.bajaj1038%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40gmail.com From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com Sun Aug 12 12:56:28 2018 From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 18:26:28 +0530 Subject: [blindlaw] Criminal Prosecution/Defense in Court In-Reply-To: References: <1FDD458B-4A00-481F-8693-A32E32DE5558@gmail.com> <28E4E199-D412-4A6E-944F-9517BE3547E1@yahoo.com> <7D494B24-F6F4-485C-ABC4-FBCF7407AACC@harrisbrun.com> <73127A65-A547-4789-BA4D-A983CF915882@gmail.com> <96F900D0-9915-49DF-904E-E0FD4DC941CB@yahoo.com> Message-ID: I am not sure why you thought the employer denied the accommodation. Rather, in the responses that I adverted to, Judge Szumowski explained the mechanism of obtaining textual description of photos that he developed. In question 16, I asked him a follow-up about potential extra effort being involved in making that mechanism work to which his response was that the parties always had a choice to go another judge if this was infeasible but they never resorted to that recourse. Best, Rahul Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 12, 2018, at 4:44 PM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw wrote: > > This also is helpful, than you. At least in this case the employer pretty much straight up said they would deny an accommodation like do to short staffing (this was a government employer). Perhaps I got the wrong impression from the interview, we'll see. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 12, 2018, at 1:38 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw wrote: >> >> Kelby, >> >> You might like to peruse this interview that we conducted of a blind >> judge in San Diego who sat on an arraignment court for 18 years: >> https://idialaw.com/blog/idap-interview-series-interview-xii-with-judge-david-szumowski/ >> In particular, please see his responses to questions 15 and 16. >> Responses to 8 and 9 may also be relevant. >> >> I don't think there is a good substitute for an efficient sighted >> reader in such circumstances. Someone who can describe the information >> captured in a piece of visual evidence to you in textual form. It is >> true that this would entail additional effort on the part of an >> employer, but there can be no gainsaying the fact that this would fall >> within the four squares of a reasonable accommodation. >> >> Insofar as the issue of the opposite side bringing such evidence on >> record in court is concerned, I see no impediment in requesting the >> concerned judge to grant you additional time to work with your >> assistant to parse the evidence. If such a rule doesn't already exist >> in the concerned court's rules of practice, I would submit that you >> should advocate for the insertion of such a rule. >> >> So, even though my knowledge in this area only flows from my >> conversations with blind legal professionals, I think the short answer >> is that it is doable, albeit with some extra effort. Would an employer >> be willing to make that effort is a far harder question. >> >> Best, >> Rahul >> >>> On 12/08/2018, James Fetter via BlindLaw wrote: >>> Fooor my part, I would like to hear about experiences handling visual >>> evidence in various situations: in court, during discovery, in >>> presentations, etc. I’m actually not all that worried about being able to >>> handle such evidence. I can’t believe that either Aira, a legal secretary, >>> etc. could not provide the necessary descriptions, especially if I had any >>> lead time at all before having to deal with the evidence in some way. But I >>> want to have a good answer—a tried and true method—that I can present to a >>> nervous prospective employer. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Aug 11, 2018, at 6:47 PM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I ask based on an interview this week. I think the employer was most >>>> concerned about how I would deal with new evidence offered by the other >>>> side during court proceedings if I didn't have someone there to describe >>>> it to me. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Aug 11, 2018, at 6:38 PM, Graham Hardy via BlindLaw >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> When you're asking this question, what, specifically, are you worried >>>>> about? The analysis of a diagram or picture? or describing them to >>>>> others? or directing a witness' attention to aspects of them? or somehow >>>>> keeping track of them? It seems worth breaking down the problem into >>>>> smaller problems. >>>>> >>>>> Graham Hardy | Lawyer 604-608-2043 | >>>>> ghardy at harrisbrun.com >>>>> [Harris & Brun - Barristers & Solicitors] >>>>> >>>>> HARRIS & BRUN LAW CORPORATION - Barristers & Solicitors >>>>> 500 - 555 West Georgia Vancouver BC V6B >>>>> 1Z6 >>>>> Phone: 604-683-2466 Fax: >>>>> 604-683-4541 >>>>> www.harrisbrun.com >>>>> [http://www.harrisbrun.com/wordpress/email_signature/divide.gif] >>>>> >>>>> This transmission is directed in confidence solely to the person named >>>>> above, and may not otherwise be distributed, copied or disclosed. The >>>>> contents of this transmission may also be subject to solicitor-client >>>>> privilege and all rights to that privilege are expressly claimed and not >>>>> waived. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify us >>>>> immediately by telephone (collect if necessary) at (604) >>>>> 683-2466, and destroy the original transmission >>>>> without making a copy. >>>>> Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 11, 2018, at 3:22 PM, James Fetter via BlindLaw >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> This is a great question and one that I would love more information about >>>>> as well, whether on the criminal or the civil side. My previous employer >>>>> decided not to make me an offer in no small part because they assumed >>>>> that I would be unable to handle visual evidence. I would definitely >>>>> appreciate knowing how to put to rest a future employer’s fears about >>>>> this. Please feel free to respond directly to me, if you prefer. Thanks. >>>>> All best, >>>>> James >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 11, 2018, at 2:17 PM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Is there anyone on the list that regularly does criminal litigation in >>>>> court, either defense or prosecution? I would like to talk through how >>>>> you handle visual exhibips during hearings and trials. Response here is >>>>> appreciated, but feel free also to contact me offlist. >>>>> kelbycarlson at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Kelby >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yahoo.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ghardy%40harrisbrun.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> BlindLaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rahul.bajaj1038%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rahul.bajaj1038%40gmail.com From jtfetter at yahoo.com Sun Aug 12 14:37:30 2018 From: jtfetter at yahoo.com (James Fetter) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 10:37:30 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Criminal Prosecution/Defense in Court In-Reply-To: References: <1FDD458B-4A00-481F-8693-A32E32DE5558@gmail.com> <28E4E199-D412-4A6E-944F-9517BE3547E1@yahoo.com> <7D494B24-F6F4-485C-ABC4-FBCF7407AACC@harrisbrun.com> <73127A65-A547-4789-BA4D-A983CF915882@gmail.com> <96F900D0-9915-49DF-904E-E0FD4DC941CB@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Kelby, I doubt you got the wrong impression. I worked for a large firm last summer, and they were even skittish about this. I suppose I should have said that I wanted to go into corporate or tax work, although the thought of doing that all day does not exactly fill me with a warm, fuzzy feeling. In any event, thank you, Rahul, for sending the interview, which I will review with great care. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 12, 2018, at 7:14 AM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw wrote: > > This also is helpful, than you. At least in this case the employer pretty much straight up said they would deny an accommodation like do to short staffing (this was a government employer). Perhaps I got the wrong impression from the interview, we'll see. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 12, 2018, at 1:38 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw wrote: >> >> Kelby, >> >> You might like to peruse this interview that we conducted of a blind >> judge in San Diego who sat on an arraignment court for 18 years: >> https://idialaw.com/blog/idap-interview-series-interview-xii-with-judge-david-szumowski/ >> In particular, please see his responses to questions 15 and 16. >> Responses to 8 and 9 may also be relevant. >> >> I don't think there is a good substitute for an efficient sighted >> reader in such circumstances. Someone who can describe the information >> captured in a piece of visual evidence to you in textual form. It is >> true that this would entail additional effort on the part of an >> employer, but there can be no gainsaying the fact that this would fall >> within the four squares of a reasonable accommodation. >> >> Insofar as the issue of the opposite side bringing such evidence on >> record in court is concerned, I see no impediment in requesting the >> concerned judge to grant you additional time to work with your >> assistant to parse the evidence. If such a rule doesn't already exist >> in the concerned court's rules of practice, I would submit that you >> should advocate for the insertion of such a rule. >> >> So, even though my knowledge in this area only flows from my >> conversations with blind legal professionals, I think the short answer >> is that it is doable, albeit with some extra effort. Would an employer >> be willing to make that effort is a far harder question. >> >> Best, >> Rahul >> >>> On 12/08/2018, James Fetter via BlindLaw wrote: >>> Fooor my part, I would like to hear about experiences handling visual >>> evidence in various situations: in court, during discovery, in >>> presentations, etc. I’m actually not all that worried about being able to >>> handle such evidence. I can’t believe that either Aira, a legal secretary, >>> etc. could not provide the necessary descriptions, especially if I had any >>> lead time at all before having to deal with the evidence in some way. But I >>> want to have a good answer—a tried and true method—that I can present to a >>> nervous prospective employer. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Aug 11, 2018, at 6:47 PM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I ask based on an interview this week. I think the employer was most >>>> concerned about how I would deal with new evidence offered by the other >>>> side during court proceedings if I didn't have someone there to describe >>>> it to me. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Aug 11, 2018, at 6:38 PM, Graham Hardy via BlindLaw >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> When you're asking this question, what, specifically, are you worried >>>>> about? The analysis of a diagram or picture? or describing them to >>>>> others? or directing a witness' attention to aspects of them? or somehow >>>>> keeping track of them? It seems worth breaking down the problem into >>>>> smaller problems. >>>>> >>>>> Graham Hardy | Lawyer 604-608-2043 | >>>>> ghardy at harrisbrun.com >>>>> [Harris & Brun - Barristers & Solicitors] >>>>> >>>>> HARRIS & BRUN LAW CORPORATION - Barristers & Solicitors >>>>> 500 - 555 West Georgia Vancouver BC V6B >>>>> 1Z6 >>>>> Phone: 604-683-2466 Fax: >>>>> 604-683-4541 >>>>> www.harrisbrun.com >>>>> [http://www.harrisbrun.com/wordpress/email_signature/divide.gif] >>>>> >>>>> This transmission is directed in confidence solely to the person named >>>>> above, and may not otherwise be distributed, copied or disclosed. The >>>>> contents of this transmission may also be subject to solicitor-client >>>>> privilege and all rights to that privilege are expressly claimed and not >>>>> waived. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify us >>>>> immediately by telephone (collect if necessary) at (604) >>>>> 683-2466, and destroy the original transmission >>>>> without making a copy. >>>>> Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 11, 2018, at 3:22 PM, James Fetter via BlindLaw >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> This is a great question and one that I would love more information about >>>>> as well, whether on the criminal or the civil side. My previous employer >>>>> decided not to make me an offer in no small part because they assumed >>>>> that I would be unable to handle visual evidence. I would definitely >>>>> appreciate knowing how to put to rest a future employer’s fears about >>>>> this. Please feel free to respond directly to me, if you prefer. Thanks. >>>>> All best, >>>>> James >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 11, 2018, at 2:17 PM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Is there anyone on the list that regularly does criminal litigation in >>>>> court, either defense or prosecution? I would like to talk through how >>>>> you handle visual exhibips during hearings and trials. Response here is >>>>> appreciated, but feel free also to contact me offlist. >>>>> kelbycarlson at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Kelby >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yahoo.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ghardy%40harrisbrun.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> BlindLaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rahul.bajaj1038%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yahoo.com From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com Sun Aug 12 15:07:22 2018 From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 20:37:22 +0530 Subject: [blindlaw] Criminal Prosecution/Defense in Court In-Reply-To: References: <1FDD458B-4A00-481F-8693-A32E32DE5558@gmail.com> <28E4E199-D412-4A6E-944F-9517BE3547E1@yahoo.com> <7D494B24-F6F4-485C-ABC4-FBCF7407AACC@harrisbrun.com> <73127A65-A547-4789-BA4D-A983CF915882@gmail.com> <96F900D0-9915-49DF-904E-E0FD4DC941CB@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Oh, the two of you got the wrong impression because Judge Szumowski said he relied on sighted help for textual description? In that case, I should clarify that that is the precise reason why I put question 16 to him - to ask him what he thought about the additional effort argument. I think that anyone who thinks that hiring a disabled person will entail no additional effort whatsoever and that it is all about merely overcoming a mental inhibition is proceeding on the wrong premise. Blindness is an objective impairment, offsetting the impact of which has to necessarily entail more effort by all concerned. It may be somewhat irksome, but that is the price that an employer must be willing to pay if they are truly committed to the promise of equality guaranteed by your Constitution and ours. Just as abiding by the exclusionary rule is irksome for a prosecutor, but it is nonetheless necessary to comply with it in order to stay true to the criminal justice system's commitment to the rule of law. It is not enough for an employer to be merely committed to what I call the 'Friday evening' view of accessibility; they must be equally committed to the 'Monday morning' view of accessibility: https://idialaw.com/blog/idap-interview-series-interview-xv-with-judge-ronald-m-gould/ Best, Rahul On 12/08/2018, James Fetter via BlindLaw wrote: > Kelby, I doubt you got the wrong impression. I worked for a large firm last > summer, and they were even skittish about this. I suppose I should have said > that I wanted to go into corporate or tax work, although the thought of > doing that all day does not exactly fill me with a warm, fuzzy feeling. In > any event, thank you, Rahul, for sending the interview, which I will review > with great care. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 12, 2018, at 7:14 AM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw >> wrote: >> >> This also is helpful, than you. At least in this case the employer pretty >> much straight up said they would deny an accommodation like do to short >> staffing (this was a government employer). Perhaps I got the wrong >> impression from the interview, we'll see. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Aug 12, 2018, at 1:38 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw >>> wrote: >>> >>> Kelby, >>> >>> You might like to peruse this interview that we conducted of a blind >>> judge in San Diego who sat on an arraignment court for 18 years: >>> https://idialaw.com/blog/idap-interview-series-interview-xii-with-judge-david-szumowski/ >>> In particular, please see his responses to questions 15 and 16. >>> Responses to 8 and 9 may also be relevant. >>> >>> I don't think there is a good substitute for an efficient sighted >>> reader in such circumstances. Someone who can describe the information >>> captured in a piece of visual evidence to you in textual form. It is >>> true that this would entail additional effort on the part of an >>> employer, but there can be no gainsaying the fact that this would fall >>> within the four squares of a reasonable accommodation. >>> >>> Insofar as the issue of the opposite side bringing such evidence on >>> record in court is concerned, I see no impediment in requesting the >>> concerned judge to grant you additional time to work with your >>> assistant to parse the evidence. If such a rule doesn't already exist >>> in the concerned court's rules of practice, I would submit that you >>> should advocate for the insertion of such a rule. >>> >>> So, even though my knowledge in this area only flows from my >>> conversations with blind legal professionals, I think the short answer >>> is that it is doable, albeit with some extra effort. Would an employer >>> be willing to make that effort is a far harder question. >>> >>> Best, >>> Rahul >>> >>>> On 12/08/2018, James Fetter via BlindLaw wrote: >>>> Fooor my part, I would like to hear about experiences handling visual >>>> evidence in various situations: in court, during discovery, in >>>> presentations, etc. I’m actually not all that worried about being able >>>> to >>>> handle such evidence. I can’t believe that either Aira, a legal >>>> secretary, >>>> etc. could not provide the necessary descriptions, especially if I had >>>> any >>>> lead time at all before having to deal with the evidence in some way. >>>> But I >>>> want to have a good answer—a tried and true method—that I can present to >>>> a >>>> nervous prospective employer. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Aug 11, 2018, at 6:47 PM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I ask based on an interview this week. I think the employer was most >>>>> concerned about how I would deal with new evidence offered by the other >>>>> side during court proceedings if I didn't have someone there to >>>>> describe >>>>> it to me. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 11, 2018, at 6:38 PM, Graham Hardy via BlindLaw >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> When you're asking this question, what, specifically, are you worried >>>>>> about? The analysis of a diagram or picture? or describing them to >>>>>> others? or directing a witness' attention to aspects of them? or >>>>>> somehow >>>>>> keeping track of them? It seems worth breaking down the problem into >>>>>> smaller problems. >>>>>> >>>>>> Graham Hardy | Lawyer 604-608-2043 | >>>>>> ghardy at harrisbrun.com >>>>>> [Harris & Brun - Barristers & Solicitors] >>>>>> >>>>>> HARRIS & BRUN LAW CORPORATION - Barristers & Solicitors >>>>>> 500 - 555 West Georgia Vancouver BC V6B >>>>>> 1Z6 >>>>>> Phone: 604-683-2466 Fax: >>>>>> 604-683-4541 >>>>>> www.harrisbrun.com >>>>>> [http://www.harrisbrun.com/wordpress/email_signature/divide.gif] >>>>>> >>>>>> This transmission is directed in confidence solely to the person named >>>>>> above, and may not otherwise be distributed, copied or disclosed. The >>>>>> contents of this transmission may also be subject to solicitor-client >>>>>> privilege and all rights to that privilege are expressly claimed and >>>>>> not >>>>>> waived. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify >>>>>> us >>>>>> immediately by telephone (collect if necessary) at (604) >>>>>> 683-2466, and destroy the original transmission >>>>>> without making a copy. >>>>>> Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 11, 2018, at 3:22 PM, James Fetter via BlindLaw >>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> This is a great question and one that I would love more information >>>>>> about >>>>>> as well, whether on the criminal or the civil side. My previous >>>>>> employer >>>>>> decided not to make me an offer in no small part because they assumed >>>>>> that I would be unable to handle visual evidence. I would definitely >>>>>> appreciate knowing how to put to rest a future employer’s fears about >>>>>> this. Please feel free to respond directly to me, if you prefer. >>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>> All best, >>>>>> James >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 11, 2018, at 2:17 PM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw >>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Is there anyone on the list that regularly does criminal litigation in >>>>>> court, either defense or prosecution? I would like to talk through how >>>>>> you handle visual exhibips during hearings and trials. Response here >>>>>> is >>>>>> appreciated, but feel free also to contact me offlist. >>>>>> kelbycarlson at gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> >>>>>> Kelby >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yahoo.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ghardy%40harrisbrun.com >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yahoo.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> BlindLaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rahul.bajaj1038%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rahul.bajaj1038%40gmail.com > From rene0373 at gmail.com Sun Aug 12 18:07:38 2018 From: rene0373 at gmail.com (Elizabeth Rene) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 11:07:38 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Criminal prosecution/defense in court Message-ID: Hi Kelby, I think all of the suggestions offered so far are very good, especially Mr. Hardy’s advise to break the question down into its smaller parts to address different situations. It’s interesting to me that employers (or maybe only one employer?) Challenged your ability to handle evidence in the courtroom on visual terms in your interview at this late date in our history. I was born blind and took my first job as an assistant prosecuting attorney in 1980. I represented the city of Seattle in criminal cases for nine years and then went to the civil side for another three before moving on to practice administrative law with the state of Washington for another four years before doing something else. I had two or three little jobs in law-clerk settings before hiring on at the City, and of course did a bit of job interviewing during that time. I wanted to be a criminal trial lawyer from the very start. I had had three years of intensive work in criminal justice reform between college and law school, launched by the publication of an expose of conditions in the county jail and city work house that I ended up co-leading on behalf of the Minneapolis Urban Coalition and the Minnesota Public Interest Research Group, followed by a year-long law school internship in public defense. I didn’t know any blind people then, so I just had to wing it when it came to encountering new situations in the state’s fastest-paced courtrooms. But I weighed 95 pounds and showed up with my guide dog every day, so the resistance I faced in job interviews had as much to do with my being a woman as with being blind. I didn’t get called “honey” Buy potential employers, but it sure happened in relation to police officers, judges, and churlish defense lawyers. All this might be to say that sighted people see “evidence“ every day and still miss its significance. My suggestions to you might be to know your evidence rules cold, to use pre-trial discovery to its fullest advantage, to voir dire opposing witnesses closely as they authenticate evidence, and to elicit detailed verbal testimony describing accident reconstruction diagrams, maps, photographs, crime scene evidence, etc. This will all help you paint pictures in the imaginations of the jury and help the exhibits make sense (or nonsense as you wish) to them as you gain a firm grasp of the evidence yourself. If a judge challenges you about this in bench trials, you can point out that you are strengthening the record for purposes of appeal. The appellate court doesn’t reevaluate pieces of physical evidence, it reviews the transcript. Lastly, if a potential employer asks “how would you do that?“ remember that you are not the only brand new lawyer they might be talking to. Maybe just the only blind one. Your competition won’t know the answers to those questions either because they don’t have the experience. Every new trial lawyer flubs up here and there before learning how to do it. That’s why they call it practice. The difference between you and your competition is that you are thinking these questions out in advance and seeking the advice of experienced trial lawyers. You can tell your interviewers that you are developing a circle of mentors among the best trial lawyers you know and that you will learn as much as you can from them as you master the courtroom. Good luck! Elizabeth Elizabeth M René Attorney at Law WSBA #10710 KCBA #21824 rene0373 at gmail.com From kelbycarlson at gmail.com Sun Aug 12 18:37:16 2018 From: kelbycarlson at gmail.com (kelby carlson) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 14:37:16 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Criminal Prosecution/Defense in Court In-Reply-To: References: <1FDD458B-4A00-481F-8693-A32E32DE5558@gmail.com> <28E4E199-D412-4A6E-944F-9517BE3547E1@yahoo.com> <7D494B24-F6F4-485C-ABC4-FBCF7407AACC@harrisbrun.com> <73127A65-A547-4789-BA4D-A983CF915882@gmail.com> <96F900D0-9915-49DF-904E-E0FD4DC941CB@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Rahel, I'm sorry, my email was unclear. I'm talking about the impression I had of the interview I did this past week, not the one you sent. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 12, 2018, at 11:07 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw wrote: > > Oh, the two of you got the wrong impression because Judge Szumowski > said he relied on sighted help for textual description? > > In that case, I should clarify that that is the precise reason why I > put question 16 to him - to ask him what he thought about the > additional effort argument. > > I think that anyone who thinks that hiring a disabled person will > entail no additional effort whatsoever and that it is all about merely > overcoming a mental inhibition is proceeding on the wrong premise. > Blindness is an objective impairment, offsetting the impact of which > has to necessarily entail more effort by all concerned. It may be > somewhat irksome, but that is the price that an employer must be > willing to pay if they are truly committed to the promise of equality > guaranteed by your Constitution and ours. Just as abiding by the > exclusionary rule is irksome for a prosecutor, but it is nonetheless > necessary to comply with it in order to stay true to the criminal > justice system's commitment to the rule of law. > > It is not enough for an employer to be merely committed to what I call > the 'Friday evening' view of accessibility; they must be equally > committed to the 'Monday morning' view of accessibility: > https://idialaw.com/blog/idap-interview-series-interview-xv-with-judge-ronald-m-gould/ > > > Best, > Rahul > >> On 12/08/2018, James Fetter via BlindLaw wrote: >> Kelby, I doubt you got the wrong impression. I worked for a large firm last >> summer, and they were even skittish about this. I suppose I should have said >> that I wanted to go into corporate or tax work, although the thought of >> doing that all day does not exactly fill me with a warm, fuzzy feeling. In >> any event, thank you, Rahul, for sending the interview, which I will review >> with great care. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Aug 12, 2018, at 7:14 AM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw >>> wrote: >>> >>> This also is helpful, than you. At least in this case the employer pretty >>> much straight up said they would deny an accommodation like do to short >>> staffing (this was a government employer). Perhaps I got the wrong >>> impression from the interview, we'll see. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Aug 12, 2018, at 1:38 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Kelby, >>>> >>>> You might like to peruse this interview that we conducted of a blind >>>> judge in San Diego who sat on an arraignment court for 18 years: >>>> https://idialaw.com/blog/idap-interview-series-interview-xii-with-judge-david-szumowski/ >>>> In particular, please see his responses to questions 15 and 16. >>>> Responses to 8 and 9 may also be relevant. >>>> >>>> I don't think there is a good substitute for an efficient sighted >>>> reader in such circumstances. Someone who can describe the information >>>> captured in a piece of visual evidence to you in textual form. It is >>>> true that this would entail additional effort on the part of an >>>> employer, but there can be no gainsaying the fact that this would fall >>>> within the four squares of a reasonable accommodation. >>>> >>>> Insofar as the issue of the opposite side bringing such evidence on >>>> record in court is concerned, I see no impediment in requesting the >>>> concerned judge to grant you additional time to work with your >>>> assistant to parse the evidence. If such a rule doesn't already exist >>>> in the concerned court's rules of practice, I would submit that you >>>> should advocate for the insertion of such a rule. >>>> >>>> So, even though my knowledge in this area only flows from my >>>> conversations with blind legal professionals, I think the short answer >>>> is that it is doable, albeit with some extra effort. Would an employer >>>> be willing to make that effort is a far harder question. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Rahul >>>> >>>>> On 12/08/2018, James Fetter via BlindLaw wrote: >>>>> Fooor my part, I would like to hear about experiences handling visual >>>>> evidence in various situations: in court, during discovery, in >>>>> presentations, etc. I’m actually not all that worried about being able >>>>> to >>>>> handle such evidence. I can’t believe that either Aira, a legal >>>>> secretary, >>>>> etc. could not provide the necessary descriptions, especially if I had >>>>> any >>>>> lead time at all before having to deal with the evidence in some way. >>>>> But I >>>>> want to have a good answer—a tried and true method—that I can present to >>>>> a >>>>> nervous prospective employer. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 11, 2018, at 6:47 PM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I ask based on an interview this week. I think the employer was most >>>>>> concerned about how I would deal with new evidence offered by the other >>>>>> side during court proceedings if I didn't have someone there to >>>>>> describe >>>>>> it to me. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Aug 11, 2018, at 6:38 PM, Graham Hardy via BlindLaw >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When you're asking this question, what, specifically, are you worried >>>>>>> about? The analysis of a diagram or picture? or describing them to >>>>>>> others? or directing a witness' attention to aspects of them? or >>>>>>> somehow >>>>>>> keeping track of them? It seems worth breaking down the problem into >>>>>>> smaller problems. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Graham Hardy | Lawyer 604-608-2043 | >>>>>>> ghardy at harrisbrun.com >>>>>>> [Harris & Brun - Barristers & Solicitors] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> HARRIS & BRUN LAW CORPORATION - Barristers & Solicitors >>>>>>> 500 - 555 West Georgia Vancouver BC V6B >>>>>>> 1Z6 >>>>>>> Phone: 604-683-2466 Fax: >>>>>>> 604-683-4541 >>>>>>> www.harrisbrun.com >>>>>>> [http://www.harrisbrun.com/wordpress/email_signature/divide.gif] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This transmission is directed in confidence solely to the person named >>>>>>> above, and may not otherwise be distributed, copied or disclosed. The >>>>>>> contents of this transmission may also be subject to solicitor-client >>>>>>> privilege and all rights to that privilege are expressly claimed and >>>>>>> not >>>>>>> waived. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify >>>>>>> us >>>>>>> immediately by telephone (collect if necessary) at (604) >>>>>>> 683-2466, and destroy the original transmission >>>>>>> without making a copy. >>>>>>> Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Aug 11, 2018, at 3:22 PM, James Fetter via BlindLaw >>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is a great question and one that I would love more information >>>>>>> about >>>>>>> as well, whether on the criminal or the civil side. My previous >>>>>>> employer >>>>>>> decided not to make me an offer in no small part because they assumed >>>>>>> that I would be unable to handle visual evidence. I would definitely >>>>>>> appreciate knowing how to put to rest a future employer’s fears about >>>>>>> this. Please feel free to respond directly to me, if you prefer. >>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>> All best, >>>>>>> James >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Aug 11, 2018, at 2:17 PM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw >>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is there anyone on the list that regularly does criminal litigation in >>>>>>> court, either defense or prosecution? I would like to talk through how >>>>>>> you handle visual exhibips during hearings and trials. Response here >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> appreciated, but feel free also to contact me offlist. >>>>>>> kelbycarlson at gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kelby >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yahoo.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ghardy%40harrisbrun.com >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yahoo.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rahul.bajaj1038%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> BlindLaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rahul.bajaj1038%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40gmail.com From sbg at sbgaal.com Sun Aug 12 20:02:38 2018 From: sbg at sbgaal.com (Shannon) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 15:02:38 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Criminal Prosecution/Defense in Court In-Reply-To: References: <1FDD458B-4A00-481F-8693-A32E32DE5558@gmail.com> <28E4E199-D412-4A6E-944F-9517BE3547E1@yahoo.com> <7D494B24-F6F4-485C-ABC4-FBCF7407AACC@harrisbrun.com> <73127A65-A547-4789-BA4D-A983CF915882@gmail.com> <96F900D0-9915-49DF-904E-E0FD4DC941CB@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001801d43277$6ff94090$4febc1b0$@sbgaal.com> Hello All, I think sighted assistance is essential in going through photos, drawings etc. I have a few suggestions for obtaining sighted assistance. First if you are working in a city with a law school, there are always law students looking for an opportunity to be in a courtroom oftentimes pro bono. These law students can assist. Also, many times this type of evidence has been disclosed prior to trial and you can get sighted assistance with going over it so that you can come up with your questions then. Further, more often than not in a trial setting, there are two attorneys for each side and therefore you can get your co-counsel to assist if this type of evidence is new and you have not had a previous opportunity to review it. For new evidence, I have not seen a judge deny the non-introducing side an opportunity to examine it on a break prior to it being introduced. I take my legal assistant with me to court for this kind of thing, but I have also started using AIRA glasses and this may be a more cost effective way of getting sighted assistance for someone just starting out when a firm is not willing to spend the funds for a full time legal assistant. Just my 2 Cents. Sincerely, Shannon Brady Geihsler Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC 1001 Main St., Suite 803 Lubbock, Texas 79401 Office: (806) 763-3999 Mobile: (806) 781-9296 Fax: (806) 749-3752 E-Mail: sbg at sbgaal.com This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged and/or attorney work product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, reliance or distribution by others or forwarding without express permission is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete all copies. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2018 12:39 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Rahul Bajaj Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Criminal Prosecution/Defense in Court Kelby, You might like to peruse this interview that we conducted of a blind judge in San Diego who sat on an arraignment court for 18 years: https://idialaw.com/blog/idap-interview-series-interview-xii-with-judge-david-szumowski/ In particular, please see his responses to questions 15 and 16. Responses to 8 and 9 may also be relevant. I don't think there is a good substitute for an efficient sighted reader in such circumstances. Someone who can describe the information captured in a piece of visual evidence to you in textual form. It is true that this would entail additional effort on the part of an employer, but there can be no gainsaying the fact that this would fall within the four squares of a reasonable accommodation. Insofar as the issue of the opposite side bringing such evidence on record in court is concerned, I see no impediment in requesting the concerned judge to grant you additional time to work with your assistant to parse the evidence. If such a rule doesn't already exist in the concerned court's rules of practice, I would submit that you should advocate for the insertion of such a rule. So, even though my knowledge in this area only flows from my conversations with blind legal professionals, I think the short answer is that it is doable, albeit with some extra effort. Would an employer be willing to make that effort is a far harder question. Best, Rahul On 12/08/2018, James Fetter via BlindLaw wrote: > Fooor my part, I would like to hear about experiences handling visual > evidence in various situations: in court, during discovery, in > presentations, etc. I’m actually not all that worried about being able to > handle such evidence. I can’t believe that either Aira, a legal secretary, > etc. could not provide the necessary descriptions, especially if I had any > lead time at all before having to deal with the evidence in some way. But I > want to have a good answer—a tried and true method—that I can present to a > nervous prospective employer. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 11, 2018, at 6:47 PM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw >> wrote: >> >> I ask based on an interview this week. I think the employer was most >> concerned about how I would deal with new evidence offered by the other >> side during court proceedings if I didn't have someone there to describe >> it to me. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Aug 11, 2018, at 6:38 PM, Graham Hardy via BlindLaw >>> wrote: >>> >>> When you're asking this question, what, specifically, are you worried >>> about? The analysis of a diagram or picture? or describing them to >>> others? or directing a witness' attention to aspects of them? or somehow >>> keeping track of them? It seems worth breaking down the problem into >>> smaller problems. >>> >>> Graham Hardy | Lawyer 604-608-2043 | >>> ghardy at harrisbrun.com >>> [Harris & Brun - Barristers & Solicitors] >>> >>> HARRIS & BRUN LAW CORPORATION - Barristers & Solicitors >>> 500 - 555 West Georgia Vancouver BC V6B >>> 1Z6 >>> Phone: 604-683-2466 Fax: >>> 604-683-4541 >>> www.harrisbrun.com >>> [http://www.harrisbrun.com/wordpress/email_signature/divide.gif] >>> >>> This transmission is directed in confidence solely to the person named >>> above, and may not otherwise be distributed, copied or disclosed. The >>> contents of this transmission may also be subject to solicitor-client >>> privilege and all rights to that privilege are expressly claimed and not >>> waived. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify us >>> immediately by telephone (collect if necessary) at (604) >>> 683-2466, and destroy the original transmission >>> without making a copy. >>> Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. >>> >>> >>> On Aug 11, 2018, at 3:22 PM, James Fetter via BlindLaw >>> > wrote: >>> >>> This is a great question and one that I would love more information about >>> as well, whether on the criminal or the civil side. My previous employer >>> decided not to make me an offer in no small part because they assumed >>> that I would be unable to handle visual evidence. I would definitely >>> appreciate knowing how to put to rest a future employer’s fears about >>> this. Please feel free to respond directly to me, if you prefer. Thanks. >>> All best, >>> James >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Aug 11, 2018, at 2:17 PM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw >>> > wrote: >>> >>> Is there anyone on the list that regularly does criminal litigation in >>> court, either defense or prosecution? I would like to talk through how >>> you handle visual exhibips during hearings and trials. Response here is >>> appreciated, but feel free also to contact me offlist. >>> kelbycarlson at gmail.com >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Kelby >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ghardy%40harrisbrun.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rahul.bajaj1038%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sbg%40sbgaal.com From kelbycarlson at gmail.com Mon Aug 13 14:04:23 2018 From: kelbycarlson at gmail.com (kelby carlson) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 10:04:23 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Criminal Prosecution/Defense in Court In-Reply-To: <001801d43277$6ff94090$4febc1b0$@sbgaal.com> References: <1FDD458B-4A00-481F-8693-A32E32DE5558@gmail.com> <28E4E199-D412-4A6E-944F-9517BE3547E1@yahoo.com> <7D494B24-F6F4-485C-ABC4-FBCF7407AACC@harrisbrun.com> <73127A65-A547-4789-BA4D-A983CF915882@gmail.com> <96F900D0-9915-49DF-904E-E0FD4DC941CB@yahoo.com> <001801d43277$6ff94090$4febc1b0$@sbgaal.com> Message-ID: <3996244E-E5DB-4931-A249-23B18D1E6CA3@gmail.com> I didn't think of using Aira. Wouldn't there be some potential confidentiality issues with a bunch of Aira employees having outside access to courtroom evidence? Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 12, 2018, at 4:02 PM, Shannon via BlindLaw wrote: > > Hello All, > > I think sighted assistance is essential in going through photos, drawings etc. I have a few suggestions for obtaining sighted assistance. First if you are working in a city with a law school, there are always law students looking for an opportunity to be in a courtroom oftentimes pro bono. These law students can assist. Also, many times this type of evidence has been disclosed prior to trial and you can get sighted assistance with going over it so that you can come up with your questions then. Further, more often than not in a trial setting, there are two attorneys for each side and therefore you can get your co-counsel to assist if this type of evidence is new and you have not had a previous opportunity to review it. For new evidence, I have not seen a judge deny the non-introducing side an opportunity to examine it on a break prior to it being introduced. I take my legal assistant with me to court for this kind of thing, but I have also started using AIRA glasses and this may be a more cost effective way of getting sighted assistance for someone just starting out when a firm is not willing to spend the funds for a full time legal assistant. > > > Just my 2 Cents. > > Sincerely, > > Shannon Brady Geihsler > > Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC > 1001 Main St., Suite 803 > Lubbock, Texas 79401 > Office: (806) 763-3999 > Mobile: (806) 781-9296 > Fax: (806) 749-3752 > E-Mail: sbg at sbgaal.com > This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged and/or attorney work product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, reliance or distribution by others or forwarding without express permission is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete all copies. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2018 12:39 AM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Rahul Bajaj > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Criminal Prosecution/Defense in Court > > Kelby, > > You might like to peruse this interview that we conducted of a blind > judge in San Diego who sat on an arraignment court for 18 years: > https://idialaw.com/blog/idap-interview-series-interview-xii-with-judge-david-szumowski/ > In particular, please see his responses to questions 15 and 16. > Responses to 8 and 9 may also be relevant. > > I don't think there is a good substitute for an efficient sighted > reader in such circumstances. Someone who can describe the information > captured in a piece of visual evidence to you in textual form. It is > true that this would entail additional effort on the part of an > employer, but there can be no gainsaying the fact that this would fall > within the four squares of a reasonable accommodation. > > Insofar as the issue of the opposite side bringing such evidence on > record in court is concerned, I see no impediment in requesting the > concerned judge to grant you additional time to work with your > assistant to parse the evidence. If such a rule doesn't already exist > in the concerned court's rules of practice, I would submit that you > should advocate for the insertion of such a rule. > > So, even though my knowledge in this area only flows from my > conversations with blind legal professionals, I think the short answer > is that it is doable, albeit with some extra effort. Would an employer > be willing to make that effort is a far harder question. > > Best, > Rahul > >> On 12/08/2018, James Fetter via BlindLaw wrote: >> Fooor my part, I would like to hear about experiences handling visual >> evidence in various situations: in court, during discovery, in >> presentations, etc. I’m actually not all that worried about being able to >> handle such evidence. I can’t believe that either Aira, a legal secretary, >> etc. could not provide the necessary descriptions, especially if I had any >> lead time at all before having to deal with the evidence in some way. But I >> want to have a good answer—a tried and true method—that I can present to a >> nervous prospective employer. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Aug 11, 2018, at 6:47 PM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw >>> wrote: >>> >>> I ask based on an interview this week. I think the employer was most >>> concerned about how I would deal with new evidence offered by the other >>> side during court proceedings if I didn't have someone there to describe >>> it to me. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Aug 11, 2018, at 6:38 PM, Graham Hardy via BlindLaw >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> When you're asking this question, what, specifically, are you worried >>>> about? The analysis of a diagram or picture? or describing them to >>>> others? or directing a witness' attention to aspects of them? or somehow >>>> keeping track of them? It seems worth breaking down the problem into >>>> smaller problems. >>>> >>>> Graham Hardy | Lawyer 604-608-2043 | >>>> ghardy at harrisbrun.com >>>> [Harris & Brun - Barristers & Solicitors] >>>> >>>> HARRIS & BRUN LAW CORPORATION - Barristers & Solicitors >>>> 500 - 555 West Georgia Vancouver BC V6B >>>> 1Z6 >>>> Phone: 604-683-2466 Fax: >>>> 604-683-4541 >>>> www.harrisbrun.com >>>> [http://www.harrisbrun.com/wordpress/email_signature/divide.gif] >>>> >>>> This transmission is directed in confidence solely to the person named >>>> above, and may not otherwise be distributed, copied or disclosed. The >>>> contents of this transmission may also be subject to solicitor-client >>>> privilege and all rights to that privilege are expressly claimed and not >>>> waived. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify us >>>> immediately by telephone (collect if necessary) at (604) >>>> 683-2466, and destroy the original transmission >>>> without making a copy. >>>> Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Aug 11, 2018, at 3:22 PM, James Fetter via BlindLaw >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> This is a great question and one that I would love more information about >>>> as well, whether on the criminal or the civil side. My previous employer >>>> decided not to make me an offer in no small part because they assumed >>>> that I would be unable to handle visual evidence. I would definitely >>>> appreciate knowing how to put to rest a future employer’s fears about >>>> this. Please feel free to respond directly to me, if you prefer. Thanks. >>>> All best, >>>> James >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Aug 11, 2018, at 2:17 PM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> Is there anyone on the list that regularly does criminal litigation in >>>> court, either defense or prosecution? I would like to talk through how >>>> you handle visual exhibips during hearings and trials. Response here is >>>> appreciated, but feel free also to contact me offlist. >>>> kelbycarlson at gmail.com >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Kelby >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> BlindLaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yahoo.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> BlindLaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ghardy%40harrisbrun.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> BlindLaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rahul.bajaj1038%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sbg%40sbgaal.com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40gmail.com From dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 13 14:19:27 2018 From: dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net (Daniel McBride) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 09:19:27 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Criminal Prosecution/Defense in Court In-Reply-To: <3996244E-E5DB-4931-A249-23B18D1E6CA3@gmail.com> References: <1FDD458B-4A00-481F-8693-A32E32DE5558@gmail.com> <28E4E199-D412-4A6E-944F-9517BE3547E1@yahoo.com> <7D494B24-F6F4-485C-ABC4-FBCF7407AACC@harrisbrun.com> <73127A65-A547-4789-BA4D-A983CF915882@gmail.com> <96F900D0-9915-49DF-904E-E0FD4DC941CB@yahoo.com> <001801d43277$6ff94090$4febc1b0$@sbgaal.com> <3996244E-E5DB-4931-A249-23B18D1E6CA3@gmail.com> Message-ID: <007801d43310$a553e8a0$effbb9e0$@sbcglobal.net> Please excuse my ignorance, but what is an AIRA glass? Dan McBride Fort Worth -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of kelby carlson via BlindLaw Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 9:04 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: kelby carlson Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Criminal Prosecution/Defense in Court I didn't think of using Aira. Wouldn't there be some potential confidentiality issues with a bunch of Aira employees having outside access to courtroom evidence? Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 12, 2018, at 4:02 PM, Shannon via BlindLaw wrote: > > Hello All, > > I think sighted assistance is essential in going through photos, drawings etc. I have a few suggestions for obtaining sighted assistance. First if you are working in a city with a law school, there are always law students looking for an opportunity to be in a courtroom oftentimes pro bono. These law students can assist. Also, many times this type of evidence has been disclosed prior to trial and you can get sighted assistance with going over it so that you can come up with your questions then. Further, more often than not in a trial setting, there are two attorneys for each side and therefore you can get your co-counsel to assist if this type of evidence is new and you have not had a previous opportunity to review it. For new evidence, I have not seen a judge deny the non-introducing side an opportunity to examine it on a break prior to it being introduced. I take my legal assistant with me to court for this kind of thing, but I have also started using AIRA glasses and this may be a more cost effective way of getting sighted assistance for someone just starting out when a firm is not willing to spend the funds for a full time legal assistant. > > > Just my 2 Cents. > > Sincerely, > > Shannon Brady Geihsler > > Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC > 1001 Main St., Suite 803 > Lubbock, Texas 79401 > Office: (806) 763-3999 > Mobile: (806) 781-9296 > Fax: (806) 749-3752 > E-Mail: sbg at sbgaal.com > This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged and/or attorney work product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, reliance or distribution by others or forwarding without express permission is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete all copies. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2018 12:39 AM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Rahul Bajaj > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Criminal Prosecution/Defense in Court > > Kelby, > > You might like to peruse this interview that we conducted of a blind > judge in San Diego who sat on an arraignment court for 18 years: > https://idialaw.com/blog/idap-interview-series-interview-xii-with-judge-david-szumowski/ > In particular, please see his responses to questions 15 and 16. > Responses to 8 and 9 may also be relevant. > > I don't think there is a good substitute for an efficient sighted > reader in such circumstances. Someone who can describe the information > captured in a piece of visual evidence to you in textual form. It is > true that this would entail additional effort on the part of an > employer, but there can be no gainsaying the fact that this would fall > within the four squares of a reasonable accommodation. > > Insofar as the issue of the opposite side bringing such evidence on > record in court is concerned, I see no impediment in requesting the > concerned judge to grant you additional time to work with your > assistant to parse the evidence. If such a rule doesn't already exist > in the concerned court's rules of practice, I would submit that you > should advocate for the insertion of such a rule. > > So, even though my knowledge in this area only flows from my > conversations with blind legal professionals, I think the short answer > is that it is doable, albeit with some extra effort. Would an employer > be willing to make that effort is a far harder question. > > Best, > Rahul > >> On 12/08/2018, James Fetter via BlindLaw wrote: >> Fooor my part, I would like to hear about experiences handling visual >> evidence in various situations: in court, during discovery, in >> presentations, etc. I’m actually not all that worried about being able to >> handle such evidence. I can’t believe that either Aira, a legal secretary, >> etc. could not provide the necessary descriptions, especially if I had any >> lead time at all before having to deal with the evidence in some way. But I >> want to have a good answer—a tried and true method—that I can present to a >> nervous prospective employer. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Aug 11, 2018, at 6:47 PM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw >>> wrote: >>> >>> I ask based on an interview this week. I think the employer was most >>> concerned about how I would deal with new evidence offered by the other >>> side during court proceedings if I didn't have someone there to describe >>> it to me. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Aug 11, 2018, at 6:38 PM, Graham Hardy via BlindLaw >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> When you're asking this question, what, specifically, are you worried >>>> about? The analysis of a diagram or picture? or describing them to >>>> others? or directing a witness' attention to aspects of them? or somehow >>>> keeping track of them? It seems worth breaking down the problem into >>>> smaller problems. >>>> >>>> Graham Hardy | Lawyer 604-608-2043 | >>>> ghardy at harrisbrun.com >>>> [Harris & Brun - Barristers & Solicitors] >>>> >>>> HARRIS & BRUN LAW CORPORATION - Barristers & Solicitors >>>> 500 - 555 West Georgia Vancouver BC V6B >>>> 1Z6 >>>> Phone: 604-683-2466 Fax: >>>> 604-683-4541 >>>> www.harrisbrun.com >>>> [http://www.harrisbrun.com/wordpress/email_signature/divide.gif] >>>> >>>> This transmission is directed in confidence solely to the person named >>>> above, and may not otherwise be distributed, copied or disclosed. The >>>> contents of this transmission may also be subject to solicitor-client >>>> privilege and all rights to that privilege are expressly claimed and not >>>> waived. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify us >>>> immediately by telephone (collect if necessary) at (604) >>>> 683-2466, and destroy the original transmission >>>> without making a copy. >>>> Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Aug 11, 2018, at 3:22 PM, James Fetter via BlindLaw >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> This is a great question and one that I would love more information about >>>> as well, whether on the criminal or the civil side. My previous employer >>>> decided not to make me an offer in no small part because they assumed >>>> that I would be unable to handle visual evidence. I would definitely >>>> appreciate knowing how to put to rest a future employer’s fears about >>>> this. Please feel free to respond directly to me, if you prefer. Thanks. >>>> All best, >>>> James >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Aug 11, 2018, at 2:17 PM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> Is there anyone on the list that regularly does criminal litigation in >>>> court, either defense or prosecution? I would like to talk through how >>>> you handle visual exhibips during hearings and trials. Response here is >>>> appreciated, but feel free also to contact me offlist. >>>> kelbycarlson at gmail.com >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Kelby >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> BlindLaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yahoo.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> BlindLaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ghardy%40harrisbrun.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> BlindLaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rahul.bajaj1038%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sbg%40sbgaal.com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dlmlaw%40sbcglobal.net From sbg at sbgaal.com Mon Aug 13 18:22:47 2018 From: sbg at sbgaal.com (Shannon Geihsler) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 13:22:47 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Criminal Prosecution/Defense in Court In-Reply-To: <3996244E-E5DB-4931-A249-23B18D1E6CA3@gmail.com> References: <1FDD458B-4A00-481F-8693-A32E32DE5558@gmail.com> <28E4E199-D412-4A6E-944F-9517BE3547E1@yahoo.com> <7D494B24-F6F4-485C-ABC4-FBCF7407AACC@harrisbrun.com> <73127A65-A547-4789-BA4D-A983CF915882@gmail.com> <96F900D0-9915-49DF-904E-E0FD4DC941CB@yahoo.com> <001801d43277$6ff94090$4febc1b0$@sbgaal.com> <3996244E-E5DB-4931-A249-23B18D1E6CA3@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2AF874EC-AE9D-4A82-8813-23D971E70C38@sbgaal.com> I wouldn’t think so since confidential documents are not normally introduced at trial. And that rare circumstance where the document is confidential or sealed, you would have to use another means of cited assistance. I wonder if you could prior to the preceding have a confidentiality agreement with an AIRA agent and of course with your clients permission to use the agents that it assistance in that way. If the proceedings are sealed, it probably would need the trial courts permission as well. Daniel, AIRA is the company that provides you with glasses that have a camera and you can contact an agent and they can see what is few in the feel of the glasses through the camera and can assist you with anything aside a person could assist you with. It is a service that cost a fee. If you want more information I can send you what I have. Just let me know. Thanks Shannon Brady Geihsler Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler,PLLC 1001 Main Street, Suite 803 Lubbock, Texas 79401 Phone: (806) 763-3999 Mobile: (806) 781-9296 Fax: (806) 749-3752 E-Mail: sbg at sbgaal.com NOTICE the information contained in this communication is protected by the attorney/client and/or the work/product privileges. It along with any attachments here to, is also covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. sections 2510-2512. It is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named in the communication, and the privileges are not waived by virtue of this having been sent by electronic mail. If the person actually receiving this communication or any other reader of the communication is not the named recipient, any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of the communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify us by telephone (please call collect) and delete the original from your system. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 13, 2018, at 9:04 AM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw wrote: > > I didn't think of using Aira. Wouldn't there be some potential confidentiality issues with a bunch of Aira employees having outside access to courtroom evidence? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 12, 2018, at 4:02 PM, Shannon via BlindLaw wrote: >> >> Hello All, >> >> I think sighted assistance is essential in going through photos, drawings etc. I have a few suggestions for obtaining sighted assistance. First if you are working in a city with a law school, there are always law students looking for an opportunity to be in a courtroom oftentimes pro bono. These law students can assist. Also, many times this type of evidence has been disclosed prior to trial and you can get sighted assistance with going over it so that you can come up with your questions then. Further, more often than not in a trial setting, there are two attorneys for each side and therefore you can get your co-counsel to assist if this type of evidence is new and you have not had a previous opportunity to review it. For new evidence, I have not seen a judge deny the non-introducing side an opportunity to examine it on a break prior to it being introduced. I take my legal assistant with me to court for this kind of thing, but I have also started using AIRA glasses and this may be a more cost effective way of getting sighted assistance for someone just starting out when a firm is not willing to spend the funds for a full time legal assistant. >> >> >> Just my 2 Cents. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Shannon Brady Geihsler >> >> Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC >> 1001 Main St., Suite 803 >> Lubbock, Texas 79401 >> Office: (806) 763-3999 >> Mobile: (806) 781-9296 >> Fax: (806) 749-3752 >> E-Mail: sbg at sbgaal.com >> This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged and/or attorney work product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, reliance or distribution by others or forwarding without express permission is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete all copies. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw >> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2018 12:39 AM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Cc: Rahul Bajaj >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Criminal Prosecution/Defense in Court >> >> Kelby, >> >> You might like to peruse this interview that we conducted of a blind >> judge in San Diego who sat on an arraignment court for 18 years: >> https://idialaw.com/blog/idap-interview-series-interview-xii-with-judge-david-szumowski/ >> In particular, please see his responses to questions 15 and 16. >> Responses to 8 and 9 may also be relevant. >> >> I don't think there is a good substitute for an efficient sighted >> reader in such circumstances. Someone who can describe the information >> captured in a piece of visual evidence to you in textual form. It is >> true that this would entail additional effort on the part of an >> employer, but there can be no gainsaying the fact that this would fall >> within the four squares of a reasonable accommodation. >> >> Insofar as the issue of the opposite side bringing such evidence on >> record in court is concerned, I see no impediment in requesting the >> concerned judge to grant you additional time to work with your >> assistant to parse the evidence. If such a rule doesn't already exist >> in the concerned court's rules of practice, I would submit that you >> should advocate for the insertion of such a rule. >> >> So, even though my knowledge in this area only flows from my >> conversations with blind legal professionals, I think the short answer >> is that it is doable, albeit with some extra effort. Would an employer >> be willing to make that effort is a far harder question. >> >> Best, >> Rahul >> >>> On 12/08/2018, James Fetter via BlindLaw wrote: >>> Fooor my part, I would like to hear about experiences handling visual >>> evidence in various situations: in court, during discovery, in >>> presentations, etc. I’m actually not all that worried about being able to >>> handle such evidence. I can’t believe that either Aira, a legal secretary, >>> etc. could not provide the necessary descriptions, especially if I had any >>> lead time at all before having to deal with the evidence in some way. But I >>> want to have a good answer—a tried and true method—that I can present to a >>> nervous prospective employer. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Aug 11, 2018, at 6:47 PM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I ask based on an interview this week. I think the employer was most >>>> concerned about how I would deal with new evidence offered by the other >>>> side during court proceedings if I didn't have someone there to describe >>>> it to me. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Aug 11, 2018, at 6:38 PM, Graham Hardy via BlindLaw >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> When you're asking this question, what, specifically, are you worried >>>>> about? The analysis of a diagram or picture? or describing them to >>>>> others? or directing a witness' attention to aspects of them? or somehow >>>>> keeping track of them? It seems worth breaking down the problem into >>>>> smaller problems. >>>>> >>>>> Graham Hardy | Lawyer 604-608-2043 | >>>>> ghardy at harrisbrun.com >>>>> [Harris & Brun - Barristers & Solicitors] >>>>> >>>>> HARRIS & BRUN LAW CORPORATION - Barristers & Solicitors >>>>> 500 - 555 West Georgia Vancouver BC V6B >>>>> 1Z6 >>>>> Phone: 604-683-2466 Fax: >>>>> 604-683-4541 >>>>> www.harrisbrun.com >>>>> [http://www.harrisbrun.com/wordpress/email_signature/divide.gif] >>>>> >>>>> This transmission is directed in confidence solely to the person named >>>>> above, and may not otherwise be distributed, copied or disclosed. The >>>>> contents of this transmission may also be subject to solicitor-client >>>>> privilege and all rights to that privilege are expressly claimed and not >>>>> waived. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify us >>>>> immediately by telephone (collect if necessary) at (604) >>>>> 683-2466, and destroy the original transmission >>>>> without making a copy. >>>>> Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 11, 2018, at 3:22 PM, James Fetter via BlindLaw >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> This is a great question and one that I would love more information about >>>>> as well, whether on the criminal or the civil side. My previous employer >>>>> decided not to make me an offer in no small part because they assumed >>>>> that I would be unable to handle visual evidence. I would definitely >>>>> appreciate knowing how to put to rest a future employer’s fears about >>>>> this. Please feel free to respond directly to me, if you prefer. Thanks. >>>>> All best, >>>>> James >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 11, 2018, at 2:17 PM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Is there anyone on the list that regularly does criminal litigation in >>>>> court, either defense or prosecution? I would like to talk through how >>>>> you handle visual exhibips during hearings and trials. Response here is >>>>> appreciated, but feel free also to contact me offlist. >>>>> kelbycarlson at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Kelby >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yahoo.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ghardy%40harrisbrun.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> BlindLaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rahul.bajaj1038%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sbg%40sbgaal.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sbg%40sbgaal.com From dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 13 19:24:43 2018 From: dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net (Daniel McBride) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 14:24:43 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Criminal Prosecution/Defense in Court In-Reply-To: <2AF874EC-AE9D-4A82-8813-23D971E70C38@sbgaal.com> References: <1FDD458B-4A00-481F-8693-A32E32DE5558@gmail.com> <28E4E199-D412-4A6E-944F-9517BE3547E1@yahoo.com> <7D494B24-F6F4-485C-ABC4-FBCF7407AACC@harrisbrun.com> <73127A65-A547-4789-BA4D-A983CF915882@gmail.com> <96F900D0-9915-49DF-904E-E0FD4DC941CB@yahoo.com> <001801d43277$6ff94090$4febc1b0$@sbgaal.com> <3996244E-E5DB-4931-A249-23B18D1E6CA3@gmail.com> <2AF874EC-AE9D-4A82-8813-23D971E70C38@sbgaal.com> Message-ID: <000801d4333b$4a9bab70$dfd30250$@sbcglobal.net> Please forward that info. I was unaware that such a service existed. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Shannon Geihsler via BlindLaw Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 1:23 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Shannon Geihsler Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Criminal Prosecution/Defense in Court I wouldn’t think so since confidential documents are not normally introduced at trial. And that rare circumstance where the document is confidential or sealed, you would have to use another means of cited assistance. I wonder if you could prior to the preceding have a confidentiality agreement with an AIRA agent and of course with your clients permission to use the agents that it assistance in that way. If the proceedings are sealed, it probably would need the trial courts permission as well. Daniel, AIRA is the company that provides you with glasses that have a camera and you can contact an agent and they can see what is few in the feel of the glasses through the camera and can assist you with anything aside a person could assist you with. It is a service that cost a fee. If you want more information I can send you what I have. Just let me know. Thanks Shannon Brady Geihsler Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler,PLLC 1001 Main Street, Suite 803 Lubbock, Texas 79401 Phone: (806) 763-3999 Mobile: (806) 781-9296 Fax: (806) 749-3752 E-Mail: sbg at sbgaal.com NOTICE the information contained in this communication is protected by the attorney/client and/or the work/product privileges. It along with any attachments here to, is also covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. sections 2510-2512. It is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named in the communication, and the privileges are not waived by virtue of this having been sent by electronic mail. If the person actually receiving this communication or any other reader of the communication is not the named recipient, any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of the communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify us by telephone (please call collect) and delete the original from your system. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 13, 2018, at 9:04 AM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw wrote: > > I didn't think of using Aira. Wouldn't there be some potential confidentiality issues with a bunch of Aira employees having outside access to courtroom evidence? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 12, 2018, at 4:02 PM, Shannon via BlindLaw wrote: >> >> Hello All, >> >> I think sighted assistance is essential in going through photos, drawings etc. I have a few suggestions for obtaining sighted assistance. First if you are working in a city with a law school, there are always law students looking for an opportunity to be in a courtroom oftentimes pro bono. These law students can assist. Also, many times this type of evidence has been disclosed prior to trial and you can get sighted assistance with going over it so that you can come up with your questions then. Further, more often than not in a trial setting, there are two attorneys for each side and therefore you can get your co-counsel to assist if this type of evidence is new and you have not had a previous opportunity to review it. For new evidence, I have not seen a judge deny the non-introducing side an opportunity to examine it on a break prior to it being introduced. I take my legal assistant with me to court for this kind of thing, but I have also started using AIRA glasses and this may be a more cost effective way of getting sighted assistance for someone just starting out when a firm is not willing to spend the funds for a full time legal assistant. >> >> >> Just my 2 Cents. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Shannon Brady Geihsler >> >> Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC >> 1001 Main St., Suite 803 >> Lubbock, Texas 79401 >> Office: (806) 763-3999 >> Mobile: (806) 781-9296 >> Fax: (806) 749-3752 >> E-Mail: sbg at sbgaal.com >> This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged and/or attorney work product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, reliance or distribution by others or forwarding without express permission is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete all copies. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw >> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2018 12:39 AM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Cc: Rahul Bajaj >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Criminal Prosecution/Defense in Court >> >> Kelby, >> >> You might like to peruse this interview that we conducted of a blind >> judge in San Diego who sat on an arraignment court for 18 years: >> https://idialaw.com/blog/idap-interview-series-interview-xii-with-judge-david-szumowski/ >> In particular, please see his responses to questions 15 and 16. >> Responses to 8 and 9 may also be relevant. >> >> I don't think there is a good substitute for an efficient sighted >> reader in such circumstances. Someone who can describe the information >> captured in a piece of visual evidence to you in textual form. It is >> true that this would entail additional effort on the part of an >> employer, but there can be no gainsaying the fact that this would fall >> within the four squares of a reasonable accommodation. >> >> Insofar as the issue of the opposite side bringing such evidence on >> record in court is concerned, I see no impediment in requesting the >> concerned judge to grant you additional time to work with your >> assistant to parse the evidence. If such a rule doesn't already exist >> in the concerned court's rules of practice, I would submit that you >> should advocate for the insertion of such a rule. >> >> So, even though my knowledge in this area only flows from my >> conversations with blind legal professionals, I think the short answer >> is that it is doable, albeit with some extra effort. Would an employer >> be willing to make that effort is a far harder question. >> >> Best, >> Rahul >> >>> On 12/08/2018, James Fetter via BlindLaw wrote: >>> Fooor my part, I would like to hear about experiences handling visual >>> evidence in various situations: in court, during discovery, in >>> presentations, etc. I’m actually not all that worried about being able to >>> handle such evidence. I can’t believe that either Aira, a legal secretary, >>> etc. could not provide the necessary descriptions, especially if I had any >>> lead time at all before having to deal with the evidence in some way. But I >>> want to have a good answer—a tried and true method—that I can present to a >>> nervous prospective employer. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Aug 11, 2018, at 6:47 PM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I ask based on an interview this week. I think the employer was most >>>> concerned about how I would deal with new evidence offered by the other >>>> side during court proceedings if I didn't have someone there to describe >>>> it to me. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Aug 11, 2018, at 6:38 PM, Graham Hardy via BlindLaw >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> When you're asking this question, what, specifically, are you worried >>>>> about? The analysis of a diagram or picture? or describing them to >>>>> others? or directing a witness' attention to aspects of them? or somehow >>>>> keeping track of them? It seems worth breaking down the problem into >>>>> smaller problems. >>>>> >>>>> Graham Hardy | Lawyer 604-608-2043 | >>>>> ghardy at harrisbrun.com >>>>> [Harris & Brun - Barristers & Solicitors] >>>>> >>>>> HARRIS & BRUN LAW CORPORATION - Barristers & Solicitors >>>>> 500 - 555 West Georgia Vancouver BC V6B >>>>> 1Z6 >>>>> Phone: 604-683-2466 Fax: >>>>> 604-683-4541 >>>>> www.harrisbrun.com >>>>> [http://www.harrisbrun.com/wordpress/email_signature/divide.gif] >>>>> >>>>> This transmission is directed in confidence solely to the person named >>>>> above, and may not otherwise be distributed, copied or disclosed. The >>>>> contents of this transmission may also be subject to solicitor-client >>>>> privilege and all rights to that privilege are expressly claimed and not >>>>> waived. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify us >>>>> immediately by telephone (collect if necessary) at (604) >>>>> 683-2466, and destroy the original transmission >>>>> without making a copy. >>>>> Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 11, 2018, at 3:22 PM, James Fetter via BlindLaw >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> This is a great question and one that I would love more information about >>>>> as well, whether on the criminal or the civil side. My previous employer >>>>> decided not to make me an offer in no small part because they assumed >>>>> that I would be unable to handle visual evidence. I would definitely >>>>> appreciate knowing how to put to rest a future employer’s fears about >>>>> this. Please feel free to respond directly to me, if you prefer. Thanks. >>>>> All best, >>>>> James >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 11, 2018, at 2:17 PM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Is there anyone on the list that regularly does criminal litigation in >>>>> court, either defense or prosecution? I would like to talk through how >>>>> you handle visual exhibips during hearings and trials. Response here is >>>>> appreciated, but feel free also to contact me offlist. >>>>> kelbycarlson at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Kelby >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yahoo.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ghardy%40harrisbrun.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> BlindLaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rahul.bajaj1038%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sbg%40sbgaal.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sbg%40sbgaal.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dlmlaw%40sbcglobal.net From ttomasi at driowa.org Mon Aug 13 19:27:54 2018 From: ttomasi at driowa.org (Tai Tomasi) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 19:27:54 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Criminal Prosecution/Defense in Court In-Reply-To: <000801d4333b$4a9bab70$dfd30250$@sbcglobal.net> References: <1FDD458B-4A00-481F-8693-A32E32DE5558@gmail.com> <28E4E199-D412-4A6E-944F-9517BE3547E1@yahoo.com> <7D494B24-F6F4-485C-ABC4-FBCF7407AACC@harrisbrun.com> <73127A65-A547-4789-BA4D-A983CF915882@gmail.com> <96F900D0-9915-49DF-904E-E0FD4DC941CB@yahoo.com> <001801d43277$6ff94090$4febc1b0$@sbgaal.com> <3996244E-E5DB-4931-A249-23B18D1E6CA3@gmail.com> <2AF874EC-AE9D-4A82-8813-23D971E70C38@sbgaal.com> <000801d4333b$4a9bab70$dfd30250$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: You can learn more at www.aira.io. I have found this service very helpful, though you will want to consider ethical questions with using it for client work. Ms. Tai Tomasi, J.D. Pronouns: she/her/hers Staff Attorney 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 Des Moines, Iowa 50309 Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org www.driowa.org Our Mission:  To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Daniel McBride via BlindLaw Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 2:25 PM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: Daniel McBride Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Criminal Prosecution/Defense in Court Please forward that info. I was unaware that such a service existed. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Shannon Geihsler via BlindLaw Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 1:23 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Shannon Geihsler Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Criminal Prosecution/Defense in Court I wouldn’t think so since confidential documents are not normally introduced at trial. And that rare circumstance where the document is confidential or sealed, you would have to use another means of cited assistance. I wonder if you could prior to the preceding have a confidentiality agreement with an AIRA agent and of course with your clients permission to use the agents that it assistance in that way. If the proceedings are sealed, it probably would need the trial courts permission as well. Daniel, AIRA is the company that provides you with glasses that have a camera and you can contact an agent and they can see what is few in the feel of the glasses through the camera and can assist you with anything aside a person could assist you with. It is a service that cost a fee. If you want more information I can send you what I have. Just let me know. Thanks Shannon Brady Geihsler Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler,PLLC 1001 Main Street, Suite 803 Lubbock, Texas 79401 Phone: (806) 763-3999 Mobile: (806) 781-9296 Fax: (806) 749-3752 E-Mail: sbg at sbgaal.com NOTICE the information contained in this communication is protected by the attorney/client and/or the work/product privileges. It along with any attachments here to, is also covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. sections 2510-2512. It is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named in the communication, and the privileges are not waived by virtue of this having been sent by electronic mail. If the person actually receiving this communication or any other reader of the communication is not the named recipient, any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of the communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify us by telephone (please call collect) and delete the original from your system. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 13, 2018, at 9:04 AM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw wrote: > > I didn't think of using Aira. Wouldn't there be some potential confidentiality issues with a bunch of Aira employees having outside access to courtroom evidence? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 12, 2018, at 4:02 PM, Shannon via BlindLaw wrote: >> >> Hello All, >> >> I think sighted assistance is essential in going through photos, drawings etc. I have a few suggestions for obtaining sighted assistance. First if you are working in a city with a law school, there are always law students looking for an opportunity to be in a courtroom oftentimes pro bono. These law students can assist. Also, many times this type of evidence has been disclosed prior to trial and you can get sighted assistance with going over it so that you can come up with your questions then. Further, more often than not in a trial setting, there are two attorneys for each side and therefore you can get your co-counsel to assist if this type of evidence is new and you have not had a previous opportunity to review it. For new evidence, I have not seen a judge deny the non-introducing side an opportunity to examine it on a break prior to it being introduced. I take my legal assistant with me to court for this kind of thing, but I have also started using AIRA glasses and this may be a more cost effective way of getting sighted assistance for someone just starting out when a firm is not willing to spend the funds for a full time legal assistant. >> >> >> Just my 2 Cents. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Shannon Brady Geihsler >> >> Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC >> 1001 Main St., Suite 803 >> Lubbock, Texas 79401 >> Office: (806) 763-3999 >> Mobile: (806) 781-9296 >> Fax: (806) 749-3752 >> E-Mail: sbg at sbgaal.com >> This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged and/or attorney work product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, reliance or distribution by others or forwarding without express permission is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete all copies. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >> Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw >> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2018 12:39 AM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Cc: Rahul Bajaj >> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Criminal Prosecution/Defense in Court >> >> Kelby, >> >> You might like to peruse this interview that we conducted of a blind >> judge in San Diego who sat on an arraignment court for 18 years: >> https://idialaw.com/blog/idap-interview-series-interview-xii-with-jud >> ge-david-szumowski/ In particular, please see his responses to >> questions 15 and 16. >> Responses to 8 and 9 may also be relevant. >> >> I don't think there is a good substitute for an efficient sighted >> reader in such circumstances. Someone who can describe the >> information captured in a piece of visual evidence to you in textual >> form. It is true that this would entail additional effort on the part >> of an employer, but there can be no gainsaying the fact that this >> would fall within the four squares of a reasonable accommodation. >> >> Insofar as the issue of the opposite side bringing such evidence on >> record in court is concerned, I see no impediment in requesting the >> concerned judge to grant you additional time to work with your >> assistant to parse the evidence. If such a rule doesn't already exist >> in the concerned court's rules of practice, I would submit that you >> should advocate for the insertion of such a rule. >> >> So, even though my knowledge in this area only flows from my >> conversations with blind legal professionals, I think the short >> answer is that it is doable, albeit with some extra effort. Would an >> employer be willing to make that effort is a far harder question. >> >> Best, >> Rahul >> >>> On 12/08/2018, James Fetter via BlindLaw wrote: >>> Fooor my part, I would like to hear about experiences handling >>> visual evidence in various situations: in court, during discovery, >>> in presentations, etc. I’m actually not all that worried about being >>> able to handle such evidence. I can’t believe that either Aira, a >>> legal secretary, etc. could not provide the necessary descriptions, >>> especially if I had any lead time at all before having to deal with >>> the evidence in some way. But I want to have a good answer—a tried >>> and true method—that I can present to a nervous prospective employer. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Aug 11, 2018, at 6:47 PM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I ask based on an interview this week. I think the employer was >>>> most concerned about how I would deal with new evidence offered by >>>> the other side during court proceedings if I didn't have someone >>>> there to describe it to me. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Aug 11, 2018, at 6:38 PM, Graham Hardy via BlindLaw >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> When you're asking this question, what, specifically, are you >>>>> worried about? The analysis of a diagram or picture? or describing >>>>> them to others? or directing a witness' attention to aspects of >>>>> them? or somehow keeping track of them? It seems worth breaking >>>>> down the problem into smaller problems. >>>>> >>>>> Graham Hardy | Lawyer 604-608-2043 | >>>>> ghardy at harrisbrun.com >>>>> [Harris & Brun - Barristers & >>>>> Solicitors] >>>>> >>>>> HARRIS & BRUN LAW CORPORATION - Barristers & Solicitors >>>>> 500 - 555 West Georgia Vancouver BC V6B >>>>> 1Z6 >>>>> Phone: 604-683-2466 Fax: >>>>> 604-683-4541 >>>>> www.harrisbrun.com >>>>> [http://www.harrisbrun.com/wordpress/email_signature/divide.gif] >>>>> >>>>> This transmission is directed in confidence solely to the person >>>>> named above, and may not otherwise be distributed, copied or >>>>> disclosed. The contents of this transmission may also be subject >>>>> to solicitor-client privilege and all rights to that privilege are >>>>> expressly claimed and not waived. If you have received this >>>>> transmission in error, please notify us immediately by telephone >>>>> (collect if necessary) at (604) 683-2466, >>>>> and destroy the original transmission without making a copy. >>>>> Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 11, 2018, at 3:22 PM, James Fetter via BlindLaw >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> This is a great question and one that I would love more >>>>> information about as well, whether on the criminal or the civil >>>>> side. My previous employer decided not to make me an offer in no >>>>> small part because they assumed that I would be unable to handle >>>>> visual evidence. I would definitely appreciate knowing how to put >>>>> to rest a future employer’s fears about this. Please feel free to respond directly to me, if you prefer. Thanks. >>>>> All best, >>>>> James >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 11, 2018, at 2:17 PM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Is there anyone on the list that regularly does criminal >>>>> litigation in court, either defense or prosecution? I would like >>>>> to talk through how you handle visual exhibips during hearings and >>>>> trials. 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Please join us for this free event via teleconference! Voting 101 & Voting Accessibility Date: August 21, 2018 Time: 6:00 PM Location: Teleconference; Call in - 515-604-9516; Access Code - 202933 The Maryland State Library for the Blind and Physically Handicapped, in partnership with the League of Women Voters of Maryland and the Maryland State Board of Elections, is hosting an evening teleconference focused on voting; voting basics, voting rights, and voting accessibility. The event will take place on August 21, at 6:00 PM. Most Americans have a basic understanding of voting; to vote, you are making your needs and values known to the leaders of your social group, your city, your state, and your country. However, voting is much more complicated than people often realize. Do you know all the rules? Are you familiar with how your vote moves from the ballot to place a candidate in office? Are you familiar with your rights regarding Accessible Voting? Join us for this FREE event where we will discuss the basics of voting and voting accessibility in Maryland. This program is being held via teleconference: Call in - 515-604-9516 Access Code - 202933 Ralph Watkins is a retired government attorney who serves as Vice President for Voters Service of the League of Women Voters of Maryland. He also serves on the Making Democracy Work Committee of LWV Montgomery County, primarily working on voter registration and distribution of the Voters’ Guide. He is also a member of the Board of the League of Women Voters of Montgomery County. Cortnee Bryant is the Deputy Director of Election Reform and Management at the Maryland State Board of Elections. She started at Anne Arundel County Board of Elections in 2010 before joining the Maryland State Board of Elections in 2016. She enjoys working on a wide range of projects, but her main areas of focus are polling place accessibility and creating educational videos and voter outreach materials. She can be reached at 410-269-2868 or by email at cortnee.bryant at maryland.gov Erin Perrone is the Director of Election Reform & Management at the Maryland State Board of Elections. She has been in the position for a little over two years but has nine years of election experience. She began her journey in elections in 2009 at the Anne Arundel County Board of Elections where she managed the voting equipment. Currently, some of her responsibilities include managing the absentee ballot program, election judge training program, and various other tasks. If you would like to contact her, her phone number is 410-269-2845, and email is erin.perrone at maryland.gov. -- *Ashley M. Biggs* *Outreach Librarian* Maryland State Library for the Blind and Physically Handicapped Maryland State Library 415 Park Avenue Baltimore, Maryland 21201-3603 410-230-2430 (office) | 667-209-1563 (cell) | 410-333-2095 (fax) ashley.biggs1 at maryland.gov http://www.lbph.maryland.gov Click here to complete a three-question customer experience survey. From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com Fri Aug 17 18:35:04 2018 From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 00:05:04 +0530 Subject: [blindlaw] =?utf-8?q?Laura_Wolk_=E2=80=9916_J=2ED=2E_to_clerk_fo?= =?utf-8?q?r_U=2ES=2E_Supreme_Court_Justice_Clarence_Thomas?= Message-ID: <5575228B-33B8-4B42-B5F2-BD91C8F4E9C7@gmail.com> Laura will be the first female blind law clerk on the US Supreme Court. This is a very heartening development, and it's great to see another glass ceiling getting shattered: https://law.nd.edu/news-events/news/laura-wolk-16-j-d-to-clerk-for-u-s-supreme-court-justice-clarence-thomas/ Sent from my iPhone From ttomasi at driowa.org Fri Aug 17 18:39:59 2018 From: ttomasi at driowa.org (Tai Tomasi) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 18:39:59 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] =?windows-1252?q?Laura_Wolk_=9216_J=2ED=2E_to_clerk_f?= =?windows-1252?q?or_U=2ES=2E_Supreme_Court_Justice_Clarence_Thomas?= In-Reply-To: <5575228B-33B8-4B42-B5F2-BD91C8F4E9C7@gmail.com> References: <5575228B-33B8-4B42-B5F2-BD91C8F4E9C7@gmail.com> Message-ID: Congratulations, Laura! Ms. Tai Tomasi, J.D. Pronouns: she/her/hers Staff Attorney 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 Des Moines, Iowa 50309 Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org www.driowa.org Our Mission:  To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 1:35 PM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Cc: Rahul Bajaj Subject: [blindlaw] Laura Wolk ’16 J.D. to clerk for U.S. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas Laura will be the first female blind law clerk on the US Supreme Court. This is a very heartening development, and it's great to see another glass ceiling getting shattered: https://law.nd.edu/news-events/news/laura-wolk-16-j-d-to-clerk-for-u-s-supreme-court-justice-clarence-thomas/ Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40driowa.org From kelbycarlson at gmail.com Fri Aug 17 19:37:22 2018 From: kelbycarlson at gmail.com (kelby carlson) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 15:37:22 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] =?utf-8?q?Laura_Wolk_=E2=80=9916_J=2ED=2E_to_clerk_fo?= =?utf-8?q?r_U=2ES=2E_Supreme_Court_Justice_Clarence_Thomas?= In-Reply-To: References: <5575228B-33B8-4B42-B5F2-BD91C8F4E9C7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <80FE61E8-53E7-445B-BCB3-D69750CBD96D@gmail.com> Wow! That's amazing! Congrats! Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 17, 2018, at 2:39 PM, Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw wrote: > > Congratulations, Laura! > > Ms. Tai Tomasi, J.D. > Pronouns: she/her/hers > Staff Attorney > > > > 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 > Des Moines, Iowa 50309 > Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 > FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 > E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org > www.driowa.org > > Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 1:35 PM > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Cc: Rahul Bajaj > Subject: [blindlaw] Laura Wolk ’16 J.D. to clerk for U.S. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas > > Laura will be the first female blind law clerk on the US Supreme Court. This is a very heartening development, and it's great to see another glass ceiling getting shattered: https://law.nd.edu/news-events/news/laura-wolk-16-j-d-to-clerk-for-u-s-supreme-court-justice-clarence-thomas/ > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40driowa.org > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40gmail.com From deepa.goraya at gmail.com Fri Aug 17 20:51:02 2018 From: deepa.goraya at gmail.com (Deepa Goraya) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 16:51:02 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] =?utf-8?q?Laura_Wolk_=E2=80=9916_J=2ED=2E_to_clerk_fo?= =?utf-8?q?r_U=2ES=2E_Supreme_Court_Justice_Clarence_Thomas?= In-Reply-To: <80FE61E8-53E7-445B-BCB3-D69750CBD96D@gmail.com> References: <5575228B-33B8-4B42-B5F2-BD91C8F4E9C7@gmail.com> <80FE61E8-53E7-445B-BCB3-D69750CBD96D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <44ad01d4366c$031dcec0$09596c40$@gmail.com> Congratulations Laura! Such an amazing honor. Deepinder K. Goraya, ESQ. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of kelby carlson via BlindLaw Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 3:37 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: kelby carlson Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Laura Wolk ’16 J.D. to clerk for U.S. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas Wow! That's amazing! Congrats! Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 17, 2018, at 2:39 PM, Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw wrote: > > Congratulations, Laura! > > Ms. Tai Tomasi, J.D. > Pronouns: she/her/hers > Staff Attorney > > > > 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 > Des Moines, Iowa 50309 > Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 > FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 > E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org > www.driowa.org > > Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 1:35 PM > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Cc: Rahul Bajaj > Subject: [blindlaw] Laura Wolk ’16 J.D. to clerk for U.S. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas > > Laura will be the first female blind law clerk on the US Supreme Court. This is a very heartening development, and it's great to see another glass ceiling getting shattered: https://law.nd.edu/news-events/news/laura-wolk-16-j-d-to-clerk-for-u-s-supreme-court-justice-clarence-thomas/ > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40driowa.org > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/deepa.goraya%40gmail.com From rodalcidonis at gmail.com Fri Aug 17 22:15:13 2018 From: rodalcidonis at gmail.com (rodalcidonis at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 18:15:13 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] =?utf-8?q?Laura_Wolk_=E2=80=9916_J=2ED=2E_to_clerk_fo?= =?utf-8?q?r_U=2ES=2E_Supreme_Court_Justice_Clarence_Thomas?= In-Reply-To: <44ad01d4366c$031dcec0$09596c40$@gmail.com> References: <5575228B-33B8-4B42-B5F2-BD91C8F4E9C7@gmail.com> <80FE61E8-53E7-445B-BCB3-D69750CBD96D@gmail.com> <44ad01d4366c$031dcec0$09596c40$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Congratulations, Laura. Job well done. Rod Alcidonis, Esq. -----Original Message----- From: Deepa Goraya via BlindLaw Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 4:51 PM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: Deepa Goraya Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Laura Wolk ’16 J.D. to clerk for U.S. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas Congratulations Laura! Such an amazing honor. Deepinder K. Goraya, ESQ. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of kelby carlson via BlindLaw Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 3:37 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: kelby carlson Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Laura Wolk ’16 J.D. to clerk for U.S. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas Wow! That's amazing! Congrats! Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 17, 2018, at 2:39 PM, Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw > wrote: > > Congratulations, Laura! > > Ms. Tai Tomasi, J.D. > Pronouns: she/her/hers > Staff Attorney > > > > 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 > Des Moines, Iowa 50309 > Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 > FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 > E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org > www.driowa.org > > Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans > with disabilities > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of > Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named > recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client > communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an > intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you > are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments > or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received > this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, > any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and > destroy any printouts. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj via > BlindLaw > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 1:35 PM > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Cc: Rahul Bajaj > Subject: [blindlaw] Laura Wolk ’16 J.D. to clerk for U.S. Supreme Court > Justice Clarence Thomas > > Laura will be the first female blind law clerk on the US Supreme Court. > This is a very heartening development, and it's great to see another glass > ceiling getting shattered: > https://law.nd.edu/news-events/news/laura-wolk-16-j-d-to-clerk-for-u-s-supreme-court-justice-clarence-thomas/ > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ttomasi%40driowa.org > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/deepa.goraya%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rodalcidonis%40gmail.com From kathryngustafson at charter.net Sat Aug 18 05:24:20 2018 From: kathryngustafson at charter.net (Kathy Gustafson) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 00:24:20 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Retinitis Pigmentosa New Law Student Needs Guidance Message-ID: <005401d436b3$b75e1830$261a4890$@charter.net> Hello, I am a new subscriber to this listserve and also am a new law student. I am so glad I found this resource and happy to be here! I have been diagnosed with Retinitis Pigmentosa for the last 30 years. I was just accepted to law school and I already am seeing, after this first week, that my vision loss is affecting me more than I thought it might. It is also progressing even faster now than ever before. I just met with the Department of Rehabilitative Services last month, but it won't be until next semester that I will start receiving services. I do not have any formal training at all on any technology or mobility aids. My central vision is still healthy, but everything else is either gone or is dying, so essentially my vision is closing in quite fast. While I wait for services to teach me cane, braille, and provide me with assistive technology, does anyone have any advice on how I can navigate? I have been using my tablet to either take video, photos, or to blow-up presentations which I can't see (such as the board or overhead monitors.) It still is frustrating because I know as things become more intense I may get further behind through the compounding of these issues. I am quite slow because my law school is old and the lighting is not that great. I am slower getting where I need to go, which is really making my disability a hindrance for others in my class, I feel. Of course I am 51 and the oldest in my class, but I don't think that is the issue at hand here! Any help or advice that you found helped you through law school or your practice will be much appreciated. Kathy in Rockton, Illinois (1L at Northern Illinois University School of Law - DeKalb, IL) From theweird1 at mediacombb.net Sat Aug 18 10:09:13 2018 From: theweird1 at mediacombb.net (Loren Wakefield) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 05:09:13 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Retinitis Pigmentosa New Law Student Needs Guidance In-Reply-To: qtm4fpUg8NiTiqtm7fBO1k References: qtm4fpUg8NiTiqtm7fBO1k Message-ID: <000001d436db$84154070$8c3fc150$@mediacombb.net> It would seem to me, that since you cannot receive assistance from the disability office until next semester, you may want to take this time off to go and receive some training from blind inc or the center in Colorado or Louisiana. There, you can learn skills to help with the problems you are facing. In the longrun, the training you can get from these places will be worth it. You don't really want to get so far behind that you are forced out. That doesn't sound that exciting to me anyway. So, it might be worth what you paid for this suggestion; however, I strongly believe you will be better off in the future. I wish you well. Take care Loren -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Kathy Gustafson via BlindLaw Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 12:24 AM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Cc: Kathy Gustafson Subject: [blindlaw] Retinitis Pigmentosa New Law Student Needs Guidance Hello, I am a new subscriber to this listserve and also am a new law student. I am so glad I found this resource and happy to be here! I have been diagnosed with Retinitis Pigmentosa for the last 30 years. I was just accepted to law school and I already am seeing, after this first week, that my vision loss is affecting me more than I thought it might. It is also progressing even faster now than ever before. I just met with the Department of Rehabilitative Services last month, but it won't be until next semester that I will start receiving services. I do not have any formal training at all on any technology or mobility aids. My central vision is still healthy, but everything else is either gone or is dying, so essentially my vision is closing in quite fast. While I wait for services to teach me cane, braille, and provide me with assistive technology, does anyone have any advice on how I can navigate? I have been using my tablet to either take video, photos, or to blow-up presentations which I can't see (such as the board or overhead monitors.) It still is frustrating because I know as things become more intense I may get further behind through the compounding of these issues. I am quite slow because my law school is old and the lighting is not that great. I am slower getting where I need to go, which is really making my disability a hindrance for others in my class, I feel. Of course I am 51 and the oldest in my class, but I don't think that is the issue at hand here! Any help or advice that you found helped you through law school or your practice will be much appreciated. Kathy in Rockton, Illinois (1L at Northern Illinois University School of Law - DeKalb, IL) _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/theweird1%40mediacombb .net From theweird1 at mediacombb.net Sat Aug 18 10:23:06 2018 From: theweird1 at mediacombb.net (Loren Wakefield) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 05:23:06 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] FREE teleconference, Voting 101 & Voting Accessibility In-Reply-To: qcSxf0bQeqAbiqcSyffuWD References: qcSxf0bQeqAbiqcSyffuWD Message-ID: <000101d436dd$747f9e60$5d7edb20$@mediacombb.net> A: is this open to anyone aroundthe country/ B: is it 6 pm Eastern time? Thanks. Loren -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Ashley Biggs -LBPH- via BlindLaw Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 5:57 AM To: Ashley Biggs -LBPH- Cc: Ashley Biggs -LBPH- Subject: [blindlaw] FREE teleconference, Voting 101 & Voting Accessibility Hey everyone! Please join us for this free event via teleconference! Voting 101 & Voting Accessibility Date: August 21, 2018 Time: 6:00 PM Location: Teleconference; Call in - 515-604-9516; Access Code - 202933 The Maryland State Library for the Blind and Physically Handicapped, in partnership with the League of Women Voters of Maryland and the Maryland State Board of Elections, is hosting an evening teleconference focused on voting; voting basics, voting rights, and voting accessibility. The event will take place on August 21, at 6:00 PM. Most Americans have a basic understanding of voting; to vote, you are making your needs and values known to the leaders of your social group, your city, your state, and your country. However, voting is much more complicated than people often realize. Do you know all the rules? Are you familiar with how your vote moves from the ballot to place a candidate in office? Are you familiar with your rights regarding Accessible Voting? Join us for this FREE event where we will discuss the basics of voting and voting accessibility in Maryland. This program is being held via teleconference: Call in - 515-604-9516 Access Code - 202933 Ralph Watkins is a retired government attorney who serves as Vice President for Voters Service of the League of Women Voters of Maryland. He also serves on the Making Democracy Work Committee of LWV Montgomery County, primarily working on voter registration and distribution of the Voters’ Guide. He is also a member of the Board of the League of Women Voters of Montgomery County. Cortnee Bryant is the Deputy Director of Election Reform and Management at the Maryland State Board of Elections. She started at Anne Arundel County Board of Elections in 2010 before joining the Maryland State Board of Elections in 2016. She enjoys working on a wide range of projects, but her main areas of focus are polling place accessibility and creating educational videos and voter outreach materials. She can be reached at 410-269-2868 or by email at cortnee.bryant at maryland.gov Erin Perrone is the Director of Election Reform & Management at the Maryland State Board of Elections. She has been in the position for a little over two years but has nine years of election experience. She began her journey in elections in 2009 at the Anne Arundel County Board of Elections where she managed the voting equipment. Currently, some of her responsibilities include managing the absentee ballot program, election judge training program, and various other tasks. If you would like to contact her, her phone number is 410-269-2845, and email is erin.perrone at maryland.gov. -- *Ashley M. Biggs* *Outreach Librarian* Maryland State Library for the Blind and Physically Handicapped Maryland State Library 415 Park Avenue Baltimore, Maryland 21201-3603 410-230-2430 (office) | 667-209-1563 (cell) | 410-333-2095 (fax) ashley.biggs1 at maryland.gov http://www.lbph.maryland.gov Click here to complete a three-question customer experience survey. _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/theweird1%40mediacombb.net From jtfetter at yahoo.com Sat Aug 18 13:15:40 2018 From: jtfetter at yahoo.com (James Fetter) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 09:15:40 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Retinitis Pigmentosa New Law Student Needs Guidance In-Reply-To: <005401d436b3$b75e1830$261a4890$@charter.net> References: <005401d436b3$b75e1830$261a4890$@charter.net> Message-ID: Hi Kathy, First of all, welcome to the list and this community. I hope you can find resources here that are helpful. I’m more than a little surprised that you can’t receive any services until your second semester. If your visual impairment is sufficiently severe to qualify as a disability, then you are entitled to services under the ADA, whether your school decides it’s convenient to provide them or not. As for immediate solutions, I guess it depends on how you learn and how easy it is for you to read visually at this point. Apple devices have accessibility options built into them. Voiceover, Apple’s screen reader, can be turned on in settings within any apple computer or phone. If you’re mainly using Windows, then you can obtain or activate free products as well, such as Microsoft Narrator or NVDA, a free screen reader. I’m totally blind, so I’m not the person to ask about magnifiers or other aids for reading visually. If you feel that you need more blindness skills, then taking time off, as suggested, might not be the worst idea. But I’d really try holding your school’s feet to the fire on providing accommodations first. There are a few people on this list who practice in the area of disability discrimination/ADA. I will soon start work at a firm and will focus in this area, although I’m just a newly minted law school graduate and haven’t been admitted to practice yet. Regardless, please feel free to reach out off list, and I’ll help however I can. All best, James Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 18, 2018, at 1:24 AM, Kathy Gustafson via BlindLaw wrote: > > Hello, > > I am a new subscriber to this listserve and also am a new law student. I am > so glad I found this resource and happy to be here! > > I have been diagnosed with Retinitis Pigmentosa for the last 30 years. I was > just accepted to law school and I already am seeing, after this first week, > that my vision loss is affecting me more than I thought it might. It is also > progressing even faster now than ever before. > > > > I just met with the Department of Rehabilitative Services last month, but it > won't be until next semester that I will start receiving services. I do not > have any formal training at all on any technology or mobility aids. My > central vision is still healthy, but everything else is either gone or is > dying, so essentially my vision is closing in quite fast. > > While I wait for services to teach me cane, braille, and provide me with > assistive technology, does anyone have any advice on how I can navigate? I > have been using my tablet to either take video, photos, or to blow-up > presentations which I can't see (such as the board or overhead monitors.) It > still is frustrating because I know as things become more intense I may get > further behind through the compounding of these issues. > > I am quite slow because my law school is old and the lighting is not that > great. I am slower getting where I need to go, which is really making my > disability a hindrance for others in my class, I feel. Of course I am 51 and > the oldest in my class, but I don't think that is the issue at hand here! > > Any help or advice that you found helped you through law school or your > practice will be much appreciated. > > > > Kathy in Rockton, Illinois (1L at Northern Illinois University School of Law > - DeKalb, IL) > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yahoo.com From laura.wolk at gmail.com Sat Aug 18 15:44:04 2018 From: laura.wolk at gmail.com (Laura Wolk) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 11:44:04 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Retinitis Pigmentosa New Law Student Needs Guidance In-Reply-To: <000001d436db$84154070$8c3fc150$@mediacombb.net> References: <000001d436db$84154070$8c3fc150$@mediacombb.net> Message-ID: Hi Kathy, I am so sorry that you are going through this, and I'm glad that you reached out. I second Lauren's suggestion. It will be much easier for you to explain a leave of absence to a potential employer than to try to get your resume and transcript past screeners if your grades are negatively impacted by your current situation. law school is stressful enough, and even if you can get your school to get you services faster, school will be made even more stressful by needing to teach yourself new technology and skills on top of learning all of the new legal information. i think you should seriously consider this alternative. Laura On 8/18/18, Loren Wakefield via BlindLaw wrote: > It would seem to me, that since you cannot receive assistance from the > disability office until next semester, you may want to take this time off > to > go and receive some training from blind inc or the center in Colorado or > Louisiana. There, you can learn skills to help with the problems you are > facing. In the longrun, the training you can get from these places will be > worth it. You don't really want to get so far behind that you are forced > out. That doesn't sound that exciting to me anyway. So, it might be worth > what you paid for this suggestion; however, I strongly believe you will be > better off in the future. I wish you well. Take care > > > Loren > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Kathy Gustafson > via BlindLaw > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 12:24 AM > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Cc: Kathy Gustafson > Subject: [blindlaw] Retinitis Pigmentosa New Law Student Needs Guidance > > Hello, > > I am a new subscriber to this listserve and also am a new law student. I > am > so glad I found this resource and happy to be here! > > I have been diagnosed with Retinitis Pigmentosa for the last 30 years. I > was > just accepted to law school and I already am seeing, after this first week, > that my vision loss is affecting me more than I thought it might. It is > also > progressing even faster now than ever before. > > > > I just met with the Department of Rehabilitative Services last month, but > it > won't be until next semester that I will start receiving services. I do not > have any formal training at all on any technology or mobility aids. My > central vision is still healthy, but everything else is either gone or is > dying, so essentially my vision is closing in quite fast. > > While I wait for services to teach me cane, braille, and provide me with > assistive technology, does anyone have any advice on how I can navigate? I > have been using my tablet to either take video, photos, or to blow-up > presentations which I can't see (such as the board or overhead monitors.) > It > still is frustrating because I know as things become more intense I may get > further behind through the compounding of these issues. > > I am quite slow because my law school is old and the lighting is not that > great. I am slower getting where I need to go, which is really making my > disability a hindrance for others in my class, I feel. Of course I am 51 > and > the oldest in my class, but I don't think that is the issue at hand here! > > Any help or advice that you found helped you through law school or your > practice will be much appreciated. > > > > Kathy in Rockton, Illinois (1L at Northern Illinois University School of > Law > - DeKalb, IL) > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/theweird1%40mediacombb > .net > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/laura.wolk%40gmail.com > From davant1958 at gmail.com Sun Aug 19 03:03:10 2018 From: davant1958 at gmail.com (davant1958 at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 22:03:10 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Retinitis Pigmentosa New Law Student Needs Guidance In-Reply-To: <005401d436b3$b75e1830$261a4890$@charter.net> References: <005401d436b3$b75e1830$261a4890$@charter.net> Message-ID: <021301d43769$2a006630$7e013290$@gmail.com> Cathy, As has been mentioned before, you might want to seriously consider withdrawing from law school until all of your services, both from the school, and any services you might receive from your state are in place. You might also want to make sure you are comfortable and confident using nonvisual techniques and assistive technology before re-entering. When you say the Department of Rehabilitation Services, are you simply talking about the state or are you including the school as well. Your school might be willing to provide you with services such as scanning your books so that you can read your assignment on an iPad using Voice Over Zoom or a Windows machine using narrator or NVDA, even if state services have not kicked in. Sometimes the DSS office can request that a publisher such as Thompson West send a book in an electronic format for a blind student as long as proof of blindness is provided, and you will not use the book for any improper purpose. Whatever the case, you should push back and request help immediately if you wish to remain in school now. The Disability Student Services office might only need a statement from a doctor certifying proof of blindness. But at age 51, if you don't want to withdraw, you might want to consider doing what has already been suggested in the way of assistive technology as well as the following: 1. Getting a classmate to share notes with you. It is always a good idea to take ones own notes, but if you are having trouble writing things down, you might want to use this option. If the school recognizes you are blind and will provide services through the Disability Student Services office, then perhaps they will provide you with a person to take notes. 2. Getting volunteers or hiring someone to help do some of your reading. You can consider having things recorded so you can listen back to the readings. Even if you receive every possible assistive technology you need, you should still learn when, where and how to use a reader, given that you have RP. 3. Speak with your professors to make sure you know what all of your reading assignments will be, and make sure you have them in an electronic format. Make sure you have some arrangements to take your exams, e.g., using a reader or being able to use a computer to make things larger or read out to you. Make sure you have a way to write any possible school exams. Good luck. Denise R. Avant, President National Federation of the Blind of Illinois (773)-991-8050 Live the life you want. For more information about NFBI, go to www.nfbofillinois.org. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Kathy Gustafson via BlindLaw Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 12:24 AM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Cc: Kathy Gustafson Subject: [blindlaw] Retinitis Pigmentosa New Law Student Needs Guidance Hello, I am a new subscriber to this listserve and also am a new law student. I am so glad I found this resource and happy to be here! I have been diagnosed with Retinitis Pigmentosa for the last 30 years. I was just accepted to law school and I already am seeing, after this first week, that my vision loss is affecting me more than I thought it might. It is also progressing even faster now than ever before. I just met with the Department of Rehabilitative Services last month, but it won't be until next semester that I will start receiving services. I do not have any formal training at all on any technology or mobility aids. My central vision is still healthy, but everything else is either gone or is dying, so essentially my vision is closing in quite fast. While I wait for services to teach me cane, braille, and provide me with assistive technology, does anyone have any advice on how I can navigate? I have been using my tablet to either take video, photos, or to blow-up presentations which I can't see (such as the board or overhead monitors.) It still is frustrating because I know as things become more intense I may get further behind through the compounding of these issues. I am quite slow because my law school is old and the lighting is not that great. I am slower getting where I need to go, which is really making my disability a hindrance for others in my class, I feel. Of course I am 51 and the oldest in my class, but I don't think that is the issue at hand here! Any help or advice that you found helped you through law school or your practice will be much appreciated. Kathy in Rockton, Illinois (1L at Northern Illinois University School of Law - DeKalb, IL) _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/davant1958%40gmail.com From rjmorrissey26 at gmail.com Sun Aug 19 13:50:30 2018 From: rjmorrissey26 at gmail.com (bob morrissey) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 09:50:30 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] [blind law] Retinitis Pigmentosa New Law Student Needs Guidance In-Reply-To: References: <005401d436b3$b75e1830$261a4890$@charter.net> Message-ID: <001701d437c3$97f95fc0$c7ec1f40$@com> Hello Kathy, When I returned to school in 2011, I discovered something at the University of New Haven called "Campus Access Services:. As a visually impaired student of 61, I was offered numerous accommodations including to assist with my program of becoming a Certified Paralegal. I believe that most colleges now offer this type of service as a result of the strength of the ADA. It is likely that some universities are more deeply committed to this service than others, but they are all required by law to offer some level of assistance to all types of disabled students. I found this to be truly a tremendous service and really enhanced my ability to achieve and thoroughly enjoy the 18 credit program. I only wish that this had existed when I did my undergraduate degree work back in the 60's and 70's with great difficulty. good luck with your school, they should really want to help you in your endeavor. Bob Morrissey -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of James Fetter via BlindLaw Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 9:16 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: James Fetter Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Retinitis Pigmentosa New Law Student Needs Guidance Hi Kathy, First of all, welcome to the list and this community. I hope you can find resources here that are helpful. I’m more than a little surprised that you can’t receive any services until your second semester. If your visual impairment is sufficiently severe to qualify as a disability, then you are entitled to services under the ADA, whether your school decides it’s convenient to provide them or not. As for immediate solutions, I guess it depends on how you learn and how easy it is for you to read visually at this point. Apple devices have accessibility options built into them. Voiceover, Apple’s screen reader, can be turned on in settings within any apple computer or phone. If you’re mainly using Windows, then you can obtain or activate free products as well, such as Microsoft Narrator or NVDA, a free screen reader. I’m totally blind, so I’m not the person to ask about magnifiers or other aids for reading visually. If you feel that you need more blindness skills, then taking time off, as suggested, might not be the worst idea. But I’d really try holding your school’s feet to the fire on providing accommodations first. There are a few people on this list who practice in the area of disability discrimination/ADA. I will soon start work at a firm and will focus in this area, although I’m just a newly minted law school graduate and haven’t been admitted to practice yet. Regardless, please feel free to reach out off list, and I’ll help however I can. All best, James Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 18, 2018, at 1:24 AM, Kathy Gustafson via BlindLaw wrote: > > Hello, > > I am a new subscriber to this listserve and also am a new law student. I am > so glad I found this resource and happy to be here! > > I have been diagnosed with Retinitis Pigmentosa for the last 30 years. I was > just accepted to law school and I already am seeing, after this first week, > that my vision loss is affecting me more than I thought it might. It is also > progressing even faster now than ever before. > > > > I just met with the Department of Rehabilitative Services last month, but it > won't be until next semester that I will start receiving services. I do not > have any formal training at all on any technology or mobility aids. My > central vision is still healthy, but everything else is either gone or is > dying, so essentially my vision is closing in quite fast. > > While I wait for services to teach me cane, braille, and provide me with > assistive technology, does anyone have any advice on how I can navigate? I > have been using my tablet to either take video, photos, or to blow-up > presentations which I can't see (such as the board or overhead monitors.) It > still is frustrating because I know as things become more intense I may get > further behind through the compounding of these issues. > > I am quite slow because my law school is old and the lighting is not that > great. I am slower getting where I need to go, which is really making my > disability a hindrance for others in my class, I feel. Of course I am 51 and > the oldest in my class, but I don't think that is the issue at hand here! > > Any help or advice that you found helped you through law school or your > practice will be much appreciated. > > > > Kathy in Rockton, Illinois (1L at Northern Illinois University School of Law > - DeKalb, IL) > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yahoo.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rjmorrissey26%40gmail.com From rene0373 at gmail.com Sun Aug 19 17:59:51 2018 From: rene0373 at gmail.com (Elizabeth Rene) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 10:59:51 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Retinitis pigmentosa new law student needs guidance Message-ID: Hi Kathy, Unlike most of the other respondents to your post, I am in the later part of my legal career. I went to law school in the 1970s, in my mid 20s, well before the ADA and in a state that didn’t provide progressive services for would be professionals. My home state kicked in good services toward the middle of my second year. I was born with cone dystrophy, a distant variant of RP, So I think I have some idea of what you may be dealing with visually. My vision hasn’t closed in on me from the outer fields though. With everything you have going on in a fairly active phase, I think the suggestion that you take a leave of absence isn’t a bad one. I don’t think you should have to withdraw altogether. You could make a good case for taking care of your needs and then coming back, retaining your place in the school. A possibility too is that while doing your rehabilitation training you might learn of an even better law school that provide better services and support. This possibility is heightened because you are now one of our community and have access to everything we know. Because you haven’t had the chance to earn bad grades, and because you are already admitted somewhere, you might stand a much better chance of being accepted elsewhere if that’s what you want to do. You’ll also get the emotional support and philosophical foundation that the NFB provides. I wouldn’t let my age stop me if I were you. What’s the difference between 51 and 52? I say this from being 68. There is so much more that I would love to say to you and to hear about you. Please feel free to PM me at rene0373 at gmail.com or to phone or text me at 360-970-3594. These are personal contacts, so you don’t have to worry about interrupting a firm. And this invitation goes out to anyone else who wants to contact me. The adaptive suggestions made by the others are very good as well. You can also get lighted magnifying lenses and white canes for about $25-$50 through Amazon, and I’ve found the best of these so I can tell you about them if you call or write. Finally, congratulations on getting into law school and congratulations for joining the NFB and this list. You’ve made some great moves and you’ll continue to make more of them. Welcome. Elizabeth René Elizabeth M René Attorney at Law WSBA #10710 KCBA #21824 rene0373 at gmail.com From ashley.biggs1 at maryland.gov Mon Aug 20 13:08:00 2018 From: ashley.biggs1 at maryland.gov (Ashley Biggs -LBPH-) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 09:08:00 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] FREE teleconference, Voting 101 & Voting Accessibility In-Reply-To: <000101d436dd$747f9e60$5d7edb20$@mediacombb.net> References: <000101d436dd$747f9e60$5d7edb20$@mediacombb.net> Message-ID: Hi Ms. Wakefield, It is open to anyone who'd like to attend. The program does have a Maryland focus, so some of the information may or may not be relevant to those outside the state. The program is Eastern time. :-) Best, Ashley On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 6:23 AM, Loren Wakefield wrote: > A: is this open to anyone aroundthe country/ B: is it 6 pm Eastern time? > > Thanks. > > > Loren > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Ashley Biggs > -LBPH- via BlindLaw > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 5:57 AM > To: Ashley Biggs -LBPH- > Cc: Ashley Biggs -LBPH- > Subject: [blindlaw] FREE teleconference, Voting 101 & Voting Accessibility > > Hey everyone! Please join us for this free event via teleconference! > > Voting 101 & Voting Accessibility > Date: August 21, 2018 > Time: 6:00 PM > Location: Teleconference; Call in - 515-604-9516; Access Code - 202933 > > The Maryland State Library for the Blind and Physically Handicapped, in > partnership with the League of Women Voters of Maryland and the Maryland > State Board of Elections, is hosting an evening teleconference focused on > voting; voting basics, voting rights, and voting accessibility. The event > will take place on August 21, at 6:00 PM. > > Most Americans have a basic understanding of voting; to vote, you are > making your needs and values known to the leaders of your social group, > your city, your state, and your country. However, voting is much more > complicated than people often realize. Do you know all the rules? Are you > familiar with how your vote moves from the ballot to place a candidate in > office? Are you familiar with your rights regarding Accessible Voting? > > Join us for this FREE event where we will discuss the basics of voting and > voting accessibility in Maryland. > > This program is being held via teleconference: > Call in - 515-604-9516 > Access Code - 202933 > > Ralph Watkins is a retired government attorney who serves as Vice > President for Voters Service of the League of Women Voters of Maryland. He > also serves on the Making Democracy Work Committee of LWV Montgomery > County, primarily working on voter registration and distribution of the > Voters’ > Guide. He is also a member of the Board of the League of Women Voters of > Montgomery County. > > Cortnee Bryant is the Deputy Director of Election Reform and Management at > the Maryland State Board of Elections. She started at Anne Arundel County > Board of Elections in 2010 before joining the Maryland State Board of > Elections in 2016. She enjoys working on a wide range of projects, but her > main areas of focus are polling place accessibility and creating > educational videos and voter outreach materials. She can be reached at > 410-269-2868 or by email at cortnee.bryant at maryland.gov > > Erin Perrone is the Director of Election Reform & Management at the > Maryland State Board of Elections. She has been in the position for a > little over two years but has nine years of election experience. She began > her journey in elections in 2009 at the Anne Arundel County Board of > Elections where she managed the voting equipment. Currently, some of her > responsibilities include managing the absentee ballot program, election > judge training program, and various other tasks. If you would like to > contact her, her phone number is 410-269-2845, and email is > erin.perrone at maryland.gov. > > -- > > > > *Ashley M. Biggs* > *Outreach Librarian* > Maryland State Library for the Blind and Physically Handicapped Maryland > State Library > 415 Park Avenue > Baltimore, Maryland 21201-3603 > > 410-230-2430 (office) | 667-209-1563 (cell) | 410-333-2095 (fax) > ashley.biggs1 at maryland.gov > > http://www.lbph.maryland.gov > > > Click here > agencycode=MSDE&SurveyID=86M2956> > to > complete a three-question customer experience survey. > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ > theweird1%40mediacombb.net > > -- *Ashley M. Biggs* *Outreach Librarian* Maryland State Library for the Blind and Physically Handicapped Maryland State Library 415 Park Avenue Baltimore, Maryland 21201-3603 410-230-2430 (office) | 667-209-1563 (cell) | 410-333-2095 (fax) ashley.biggs1 at maryland.gov http://www.lbph.maryland.gov Click here to complete a three-question customer experience survey. From dianeklennon at gmail.com Mon Aug 20 13:19:34 2018 From: dianeklennon at gmail.com (Diane Lennon) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 09:19:34 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] suggestion for new law student Message-ID: Kathy Congratulations on your acceptance to law school. I would definitely try to have your school expedite your services. Have you reached out to your states Commission for the Blind? Maybe they can help. You didn't mention whether or not you were a full time or part time student. Would you consider going part time which would reduce the amount of work and it may make the course load easier. You could go through the summer to further reduce the course load. I wish you much success in your legal career. Diane On Mon, Aug 20, 2018, 8:00 AM wrote: > Send BlindLaw mailing list submissions to > blindlaw at nfbnet.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > blindlaw-owner at nfbnet.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of BlindLaw digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: [blind law] Retinitis Pigmentosa New Law Student Needs > Guidance (bob morrissey) > 2. Re: Retinitis pigmentosa new law student needs guidance > (Elizabeth Rene) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 09:50:30 -0400 > From: "bob morrissey" > To: "'Blind Law Mailing List'" > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] [blind law] Retinitis Pigmentosa New Law > Student Needs Guidance > Message-ID: <001701d437c3$97f95fc0$c7ec1f40$@com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hello Kathy, > > When I returned to school in 2011, I discovered something at the > University of New Haven called "Campus Access Services:. > > As a visually impaired student of 61, I was offered numerous > accommodations including to assist with my program of becoming a Certified > Paralegal. I believe that most colleges now offer this type of service as > a result of the strength of the ADA. It is likely that some universities > are more deeply committed to this service than others, but they are all > required by law to offer some level of assistance to all types of disabled > students. I found this to be truly a tremendous service and really > enhanced my ability to achieve and thoroughly enjoy the 18 credit program. > > I only wish that this had existed when I did my undergraduate degree work > back in the 60's and 70's with great difficulty. > > good luck with your school, they should really want to help you in your > endeavor. > > Bob Morrissey > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of James > Fetter via BlindLaw > Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 9:16 AM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: James Fetter > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Retinitis Pigmentosa New Law Student Needs Guidance > > Hi Kathy, > First of all, welcome to the list and this community. I hope you can find > resources here that are helpful. > I?m more than a little surprised that you can?t receive any services until > your second semester. If your visual impairment is sufficiently severe to > qualify as a disability, then you are entitled to services under the ADA, > whether your school decides it?s convenient to provide them or not. As for > immediate solutions, I guess it depends on how you learn and how easy it is > for you to read visually at this point. Apple devices have accessibility > options built into them. Voiceover, Apple?s screen reader, can be turned on > in settings within any apple computer or phone. If you?re mainly using > Windows, then you can obtain or activate free products as well, such as > Microsoft Narrator or NVDA, a free screen reader. I?m totally blind, so I?m > not the person to ask about magnifiers or other aids for reading visually. > If you feel that you need more blindness skills, then taking time off, as > suggested, might not be the worst idea. But I?d really try holding your > school?s feet to the fire on providing accommodations first. There are a > few people on this list who practice in the area of disability > discrimination/ADA. I will soon start work at a firm and will focus in this > area, although I?m just a newly minted law school graduate and haven?t been > admitted to practice yet. Regardless, please feel free to reach out off > list, and I?ll help however I can. > All best, > James > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Aug 18, 2018, at 1:24 AM, Kathy Gustafson via BlindLaw < > blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > I am a new subscriber to this listserve and also am a new law student. > I am > > so glad I found this resource and happy to be here! > > > > I have been diagnosed with Retinitis Pigmentosa for the last 30 years. I > was > > just accepted to law school and I already am seeing, after this first > week, > > that my vision loss is affecting me more than I thought it might. It is > also > > progressing even faster now than ever before. > > > > > > > > I just met with the Department of Rehabilitative Services last month, > but it > > won't be until next semester that I will start receiving services. I do > not > > have any formal training at all on any technology or mobility aids. My > > central vision is still healthy, but everything else is either gone or is > > dying, so essentially my vision is closing in quite fast. > > > > While I wait for services to teach me cane, braille, and provide me with > > assistive technology, does anyone have any advice on how I can > navigate? I > > have been using my tablet to either take video, photos, or to blow-up > > presentations which I can't see (such as the board or overhead > monitors.) It > > still is frustrating because I know as things become more intense I may > get > > further behind through the compounding of these issues. > > > > I am quite slow because my law school is old and the lighting is not that > > great. I am slower getting where I need to go, which is really making my > > disability a hindrance for others in my class, I feel. Of course I am 51 > and > > the oldest in my class, but I don't think that is the issue at hand here! > > > > Any help or advice that you found helped you through law school or your > > practice will be much appreciated. > > > > > > > > Kathy in Rockton, Illinois (1L at Northern Illinois University School of > Law > > - DeKalb, IL) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > BlindLaw mailing list > > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rjmorrissey26%40gmail.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 10:59:51 -0700 > From: Elizabeth Rene > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Retinitis pigmentosa new law student needs > guidance > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hi Kathy, > Unlike most of the other respondents to your post, I am in the later part > of my legal career. I went to law school in the 1970s, in my mid 20s, well > before the ADA and in a state that didn?t provide progressive services for > would be professionals. My home state kicked in good services toward the > middle of my second year. I was born with cone dystrophy, a distant variant > of RP, So I think I have some idea of what you may be dealing with > visually. My vision hasn?t closed in on me from the outer fields though. > > With everything you have going on in a fairly active phase, I think the > suggestion that you take a leave of absence isn?t a bad one. I don?t think > you should have to withdraw altogether. You could make a good case for > taking care of your needs and then coming back, retaining your place in the > school. A possibility too is that while doing your rehabilitation training > you might learn of an even better law school that provide better services > and support. This possibility is heightened because you are now one of our > community and have access to everything we know. Because you haven?t had > the chance to earn bad grades, and because you are already admitted > somewhere, you might stand a much better chance of being accepted elsewhere > if that?s what you want to do. You?ll also get the emotional support and > philosophical foundation that the NFB provides. I wouldn?t let my age stop > me if I were you. What?s the difference between 51 and 52? I say this from > being 68. > > There is so much more that I would love to say to you and to hear about > you. Please feel free to PM me at rene0373 at gmail.com or to phone or text > me at 360-970-3594. These are personal contacts, so you don?t have to worry > about interrupting a firm. And this invitation goes out to anyone else who > wants to contact me. > > The adaptive suggestions made by the others are very good as well. You can > also get lighted magnifying lenses and white canes for about $25-$50 > through Amazon, and I?ve found the best of these so I can tell you about > them if you call or write. > > Finally, congratulations on getting into law school and congratulations > for joining the NFB and this list. You?ve made some great moves and you?ll > continue to make more of them. Welcome. > > Elizabeth Ren? > > Elizabeth M Ren? > Attorney at Law > WSBA #10710 > KCBA #21824 > rene0373 at gmail.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > > ------------------------------ > > End of BlindLaw Digest, Vol 171, Issue 13 > ***************************************** > From aprevost at sidley.com Mon Aug 20 14:18:44 2018 From: aprevost at sidley.com (Prevost, Ann Marie) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 14:18:44 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] =?utf-8?q?Laura_Wolk_=E2=80=9916_J=2ED=2E_to_clerk_fo?= =?utf-8?q?r_U=2ES=2E_Supreme_Court_Justice_Clarence_Thomas?= In-Reply-To: <80FE61E8-53E7-445B-BCB3-D69750CBD96D@gmail.com> References: <5575228B-33B8-4B42-B5F2-BD91C8F4E9C7@gmail.com> <80FE61E8-53E7-445B-BCB3-D69750CBD96D@gmail.com> Message-ID: Laura, Congratulations! I am so excited to go home from work today and tell my daughter about your great success! I always tell her she can do anything, but it is wonderful for her to actually see someone who has made her dreams a reality. What a great role model you are! ANN MARIE PREVOST Staff Attorney SIDLEY AUSTIN LLP +1 212 839 5408 aprevost at sidley.com -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of kelby carlson via BlindLaw Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 3:37 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: kelby carlson Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Laura Wolk ’16 J.D. to clerk for U.S. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas Wow! That's amazing! Congrats! Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 17, 2018, at 2:39 PM, Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw wrote: > > Congratulations, Laura! > > Ms. Tai Tomasi, J.D. > Pronouns: she/her/hers > Staff Attorney > > > > 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 > Des Moines, Iowa 50309 > Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 > FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 > E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org > www.driowa.org > > Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 1:35 PM > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Cc: Rahul Bajaj > Subject: [blindlaw] Laura Wolk ’16 J.D. to clerk for U.S. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas > > Laura will be the first female blind law clerk on the US Supreme Court. This is a very heartening development, and it's great to see another glass ceiling getting shattered: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__law.nd.edu_news-2Devents_news_laura-2Dwolk-2D16-2Dj-2Dd-2Dto-2Dclerk-2Dfor-2Du-2Ds-2Dsupreme-2Dcourt-2Djustice-2Dclarence-2Dthomas_&d=DwIGaQ&c=Od00qP2XTg0tXf_H69-T2w&r=Er0QRNQa_EOBxMrkDnjQzTzqjlr1e0JyxWAl3Ozu2vE&m=6rnTnxroUBAgINR8xasItatuA5TbQaO3kVcMjM8GE7Y&s=8-kKl01mVmHpqpfFIRuxziaDmoh9JKrCz0g3rD_pRDU&e= > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__nfbnet.org_mailman_listinfo_blindlaw-5Fnfbnet.org&d=DwIGaQ&c=Od00qP2XTg0tXf_H69-T2w&r=Er0QRNQa_EOBxMrkDnjQzTzqjlr1e0JyxWAl3Ozu2vE&m=6rnTnxroUBAgINR8xasItatuA5TbQaO3kVcMjM8GE7Y&s=hGimkGEbQERC23BPVjOmUNUt1QI8Y0I4ovO7Sy6n6Ng&e= > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__nfbnet.org_mailman_options_blindlaw-5Fnfbnet.org_ttomasi-2540driowa.org&d=DwIGaQ&c=Od00qP2XTg0tXf_H69-T2w&r=Er0QRNQa_EOBxMrkDnjQzTzqjlr1e0JyxWAl3Ozu2vE&m=6rnTnxroUBAgINR8xasItatuA5TbQaO3kVcMjM8GE7Y&s=W27lsXj-6NjCNX3RehfZthjhzj3p8DnjopsbV54fRws&e= > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__nfbnet.org_mailman_listinfo_blindlaw-5Fnfbnet.org&d=DwIGaQ&c=Od00qP2XTg0tXf_H69-T2w&r=Er0QRNQa_EOBxMrkDnjQzTzqjlr1e0JyxWAl3Ozu2vE&m=6rnTnxroUBAgINR8xasItatuA5TbQaO3kVcMjM8GE7Y&s=hGimkGEbQERC23BPVjOmUNUt1QI8Y0I4ovO7Sy6n6Ng&e= > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__nfbnet.org_mailman_options_blindlaw-5Fnfbnet.org_kelbycarlson-2540gmail.com&d=DwIGaQ&c=Od00qP2XTg0tXf_H69-T2w&r=Er0QRNQa_EOBxMrkDnjQzTzqjlr1e0JyxWAl3Ozu2vE&m=6rnTnxroUBAgINR8xasItatuA5TbQaO3kVcMjM8GE7Y&s=sEwJhHyyrB3Bv-Oa0EJMHbTvqIa0S4Fl6kJwI-UJq7c&e= _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__nfbnet.org_mailman_listinfo_blindlaw-5Fnfbnet.org&d=DwIGaQ&c=Od00qP2XTg0tXf_H69-T2w&r=Er0QRNQa_EOBxMrkDnjQzTzqjlr1e0JyxWAl3Ozu2vE&m=6rnTnxroUBAgINR8xasItatuA5TbQaO3kVcMjM8GE7Y&s=hGimkGEbQERC23BPVjOmUNUt1QI8Y0I4ovO7Sy6n6Ng&e= To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__nfbnet.org_mailman_options_blindlaw-5Fnfbnet.org_aprevost-2540sidley.com&d=DwIGaQ&c=Od00qP2XTg0tXf_H69-T2w&r=Er0QRNQa_EOBxMrkDnjQzTzqjlr1e0JyxWAl3Ozu2vE&m=6rnTnxroUBAgINR8xasItatuA5TbQaO3kVcMjM8GE7Y&s=wwZcFmr1ex5tQ397dhrXxPtnyzcjVzcKxCEj45rcx4A&e= **************************************************************************************************** This e-mail is sent by a law firm and may contain information that is privileged or confidential. 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The Department of Public Defense (DPD) is known nationally for providing high quality legal representation to indigent clients. DPD provides legal representation to indigent clients in several practice areas, including felonies, misdemeanors, juvenile defense, family defense (dependency), involuntary commitment (mental illness), sex offender commitments, and contempt of court. King County is an excellent place to work in public defense. In criminal cases, our state has robust discovery rules, requiring compulsory discovery of all materials held by the prosecutor; the Washington State Constitution's exacting standards for search and seizure extend well beyond the Fourth Amendment; public defense attorneys have the ability to retain top expert witnesses; and, particularly in King County, comparatively more of our cases go to trial. Further, we are an institutional provider of family defense representation, which allows for specialization in this important area. Employment at DPD offers the chance to practice public defense at a very high level, while living in a vibrant urban environment surrounded by unparalleled natural beauty. King County was renamed to honor Martin Luther King, Jr. and reflect our county's commitment to the pursuit of equity and social justice. Who May Apply: Second year law students in good academic standing at an American Bar Association approved law school. Proof of full-time or part-time enrollment in school is required upon hire and throughout employment on a recurring schedule for the regular school year (e.g. quarterly or on a semester basis) in advance of the commencement of the next period of enrollment. Interviews will be conducted beginning November 5, 2018 and continuing through November 16, 2018. Out of state candidates selected for an interview will have the option of Skype. [Image removed by sender. King County logo] ________________________________ [Image removed by sender. 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The successful applicant will have a passion for public defense and a demonstrated commitment to helping those who are less fortunate. He or she will also have a demonstrated ability to receive feedback and integrate that feedback into his or her practice. The scope of representation expected by an attorney is determined by the nature of the case assignment and in accordance with the Rules of Professional Conduct. Caseload standards established by the State Supreme Court and that foster excellence in legal representation, are observed in accordance with Washington State Bar Association guidelines. Attorneys in the Department of Public Defense are expected to complete all required trainings and to actively advance their level of practice by seeking additional learning opportunities. The Department of Public Defense (DPD) is renowned nationally for its excellent legal representation to indigent clients in the only county in the United States named after Martin Luther King Jr, one of the most influential civil rights leaders in our nation's history, King County. King County is a vibrant community with residents that represent countries from around the world. It is a region with increasing diversity that cherishes the artistic and social traditions of many cultures. Together, we're changing the way government delivers service and winning national recognition as a model of excellence. DPD provides legal representation to indigent clients in several practice areas, including felonies, misdemeanors, juvenile offenders, dependencies, involuntary commitment, civil commitment of sexually violent predators, and contempt of court. The department also works to address racial disproportionality in the criminal justice system, the collateral consequences of justice involvement, and other structural and/or systemic issues that undermine the rights of the criminally accused. It employs not only attorneys, but also skilled investigators, mitigation specialists, paralegals, and other support staff. Expert services are regularly funded, in keeping with state court rules and our high standard level of practice. King County public defense has also been a leader in the development of therapeutic courts, providing diversion and support to clients who have entered the criminal justice system due to drug involvement, mental illness, or other issues. To learn more about DPD, please check out our website at: http://www.kingcounty.gov/courts/public-defense.aspx Who May Apply: Attorney - 3rd Year Law Student. 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Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Prevost, Ann Marie via BlindLaw Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 9:20 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Prevost, Ann Marie Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Laura Wolk ’16 J.D. to clerk for U.S. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas Laura, Congratulations! I am so excited to go home from work today and tell my daughter about your great success! I always tell her she can do anything, but it is wonderful for her to actually see someone who has made her dreams a reality. What a great role model you are! ANN MARIE PREVOST Staff Attorney SIDLEY AUSTIN LLP +1 212 839 5408 aprevost at sidley.com -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of kelby carlson via BlindLaw Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 3:37 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: kelby carlson Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Laura Wolk ’16 J.D. to clerk for U.S. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas Wow! That's amazing! Congrats! Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 17, 2018, at 2:39 PM, Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw wrote: > > Congratulations, Laura! > > Ms. Tai Tomasi, J.D. > Pronouns: she/her/hers > Staff Attorney > > > > 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300 > Des Moines, Iowa 50309 > Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502 > FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711 > E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org > www.driowa.org > > Our Mission: To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. 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From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com Tue Aug 21 14:57:05 2018 From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 20:27:05 +0530 Subject: [blindlaw] Complaining to Freedom Scientific About the Sporadic Functioning of the Virtual Viewer For Viewing Track Changes In Word In-Reply-To: <690574C7-761E-47A6-885E-0E464D6BA934@gmail.com> References: <3A6527F3-7C33-46A9-BB41-ACD2BDCEC13C@amarjain.com> <076f1335-46c3-1f66-af6b-33b773f36fbb@gmail.com> <17948DA2-F229-4C7A-8773-BE83E755AC74@amarjain.com> <690574C7-761E-47A6-885E-0E464D6BA934@gmail.com> Message-ID: In the August 2018 release of JAWS [available here: https://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/jaws/JAWSWhatsNew#Enhancements], one enhancement is the following: "• When using the INSERT+SHIFT+R or WINDOWS+SEMICOLON commands in word to list revisions or display revisions in the Virtual Viewer, if the document contains a lot of revisions, JAWS now plays a sound every few seconds as the list is being built. After 30 seconds, if all revisions have not yet been found, JAWS plays a different tone, and only the revisions found up to that point are displayed." So it seems that the virtual viewer will display a large portion of the revisions, if not all, as opposed to saying that there are no revisions at all, in the event that there are more than 100 revisions. Best, Rahul

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On 09/08/2018, Rahul Bajaj wrote: > On deeper reflection, I think I have also seen this happening with as few as > 40 revisions. Perhaps it could be attributable to the same cause? > Will bring up the footnote issue. > > Best, > Rahul > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 9, 2018, at 8:47 PM, Amar Jain wrote: >> >> While I can’t reproduce this every time, but I have observed this >> happening with less then 100 revisions as well. >> >> Regards, >> Amar Jain >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On 09-Aug-2018, at 8:40 PM, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw >>> wrote: >>> >>> For the record, that more or less mapped onto my experience. But, >>> Rahul, can you please remind them of the footnote issue? Track changes >>> in footnotes never show up for me regardless of how few changes there >>> are. So it sounds like their answer is incomplete. >>> >>> Laura >>> >>>> On 8/9/18, Rahul Bajaj wrote: >>>> Hi Everyone, >>>> >>>> There's been an update from Freedom Scientific on this. They say that >>>> the basic issue is that this feature doesn't work in documents that >>>> have more than 100 revisions. This is because the processing time >>>> required to prepare a list of revisions in such circumstances is more >>>> than what is permissible. To fix this, they'll modify the processing >>>> time in an upcoming JAWS update. >>>> >>>> I am not sure if the 100 revisions theory is accurate. I will test out >>>> a few documents with less and more than 100 revisions to ascertain if >>>> that is the actual issue. I was wondering what others think about >>>> this. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Rahul >>>> >>>>> On 01/08/2018, Kelby Carlson wrote: >>>>> I use NVDA now and while it doesn't have a virtual viewer, it is also >>>>> much less likely to have huge bugs in upgrades that cause problems >>>>> like >>>>> this. I was on law review and that was actually what compelled me to >>>>> switch screen readers, JAWS was working so badly. And, NVDA is free! >>>>>> On 8/1/2018 8:20 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw wrote: >>>>>> Haha, yes. I'll be very happy if they fix it even for Word 16, >>>>>> because >>>>>> switching office versions would be still better than perusing >>>>>> revisions with something like quick keys. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> Rahul >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 01/08/2018, Laura Wolk wrote: >>>>>>> Oh Neat. So now, best case scenario, we'll still have two >>>>>>> semi-accessible versions of the most commonly used word processing >>>>>>> program at our disposal if we shell out $1,000. We are so lucky. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 8/1/18, Rahul Bajaj wrote: >>>>>>>> Thanks, Amar and Laura. >>>>>>>> They've told me that they'll investigate the use of the virtual >>>>>>>> viewer >>>>>>>> in Office 16 and Office 365 and cannot do anything about Office 10 >>>>>>>> which I also use a fair bit. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The solution has to be found in MS Office itself; using Office 365 >>>>>>>> just for this is not feasible. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>> Rahul >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 01/08/2018, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Thank you, Rahul. I had also reported last fall, and they promised >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> quote expedite quote the problem, and that it would make its way >>>>>>>>> into >>>>>>>>> the next upgrade. It didn't, of course. With this prompting, I >>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>> re-send in my concerns as well. In particular, footnoted >>>>>>>>> trackchanges >>>>>>>>> never show up, not just sporadically, and if there are more than a >>>>>>>>> hundred changes in the document, no revisions are displayed. I >>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>> make sure they know this. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Laura >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 8/1/18, Amar Jain via BlindLaw wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Hi Rahul, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Glad that you reported too. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I did few months back, and they wrote back saying upgrading to >>>>>>>>>> Office365 >>>>>>>>>> might help! And you know that these things are organization >>>>>>>>>> driven. >>>>>>>>>> Let >>>>>>>>>> me >>>>>>>>>> speak to Cory. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>> Amar Jain >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 01-Aug-2018, at 4:40 PM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Everyone, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I have reached out to Freedom Scientific, requesting them to fix >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> functioning of virtual viewer in Word. As I am sure you are >>>>>>>>>>> aware, >>>>>>>>>>> JAWS often says 'no track changes' when one presses windows+; >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> selects 'revisions', even when there are revisions in a >>>>>>>>>>> document. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> This is the quickest and simplest way to view revisions and can >>>>>>>>>>> help >>>>>>>>>>> blind lawyers use this feature pretty much as seamlessly as >>>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>>> sighted counterparts. However, owing to this glitch, one has to >>>>>>>>>>> access >>>>>>>>>>> revisions by adopting far more time-consuming approaches. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I have reported this to FS, and two of their people are >>>>>>>>>>> investigating >>>>>>>>>>> it. I would urge members of this group to report this problem on >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> following email IDs: Bryan Carver >>>>>>>>>> Jackson >>>>>>>>>>> and Grant Patterson >>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I recall that at least 4 people had attested to this problem when >>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>> had brought it up a few months ago - Angie, Laura, Sy and Amar. >>>>>>>>>>> If >>>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>> reach out to FS in large numbers, we may be able to get them to >>>>>>>>>>> prioritize this and fix the issue. Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>>>> Rahul >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>>>>>>>> info >>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/amarjain%40amarjain.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/laura.wolk%40gmail.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rahul.bajaj1038%40gmail.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/amarjain%40amarjain.com >> > From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Tue Aug 21 19:35:26 2018 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 19:35:26 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] [WADA] Fwd: Job Opportunity at Northwest Immigrants Rights Project in Seattle Message-ID: From: washingtonattorneyswithdisabilitiesassociation at googlegroups.com [mailto:washingtonattorneyswithdisabilitiesassociation at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Conrad Reynoldson Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2018 11:47 AM To: WashingtonAttorneyswithDisabilitiesAssociation at googlegroups.com Subject: [WADA] Fwd: Job Opportunity at NWIRP Please share the job opportunity below: Northwest Immigrant Rights Project (NWIRP) seeks a full-time bilingual staff attorney to work with individuals in removal proceedings in Seattle, Washington. 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From rjaquiss at earthlink.net Sun Aug 26 03:18:49 2018 From: rjaquiss at earthlink.net (rjaquiss) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 21:18:49 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] Article about special education in Texas or lack thereof Message-ID: <000501d43ceb$82649d00$872dd700$@earthlink.net> Hello: I thought the following would be of interest. https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Texas-saved-billions-cutting-special-edu cation-13182079.php Regards, Robert From will.burley3 at gmail.com Sun Aug 26 09:43:49 2018 From: will.burley3 at gmail.com (Will Burley) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 04:43:49 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Article about special education in Texas or lack thereof In-Reply-To: <000501d43ceb$82649d00$872dd700$@earthlink.net> References: <000501d43ceb$82649d00$872dd700$@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8CCC76EB-F8F1-4BBE-BD41-5B08BF0181C6@gmail.com> I got an error message. Will Burley Phone: 713-614-3322 "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel." -Maya Angelou Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 25, 2018, at 10:18 PM, rjaquiss via BlindLaw wrote: > > Hello: > > > > I thought the following would be of interest. > > > > https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Texas-saved-billions-cutting-special-edu > cation-13182079.php > > > > Regards, > > > > Robert > > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/will.burley3%40gmail.com From dwiniecki at handid.org Sun Aug 26 12:24:08 2018 From: dwiniecki at handid.org (Donald Winiecki) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 06:24:08 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] Article about special education in Texas or lack thereof In-Reply-To: <8CCC76EB-F8F1-4BBE-BD41-5B08BF0181C6@gmail.com> References: <000501d43ceb$82649d00$872dd700$@earthlink.net> <8CCC76EB-F8F1-4BBE-BD41-5B08BF0181C6@gmail.com> Message-ID: Mr Burley, It appears that your mail reader has split the URL into two lines. The URL below was reassembled into one line that starts with 'http://' and ends with '13182079.php'. If it still doesn't work for you, please check that your mail reader has not split the URL. https://www.sfgate.com/news/ar ticle/Texas-saved-billions-cut ting-special-education-13182079.php _don On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 3:45 AM Will Burley via BlindLaw < blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: > I got an error message. > > > > > Will Burley > Phone: 713-614-3322 > > > "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget > what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel." -Maya > Angelou > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Aug 25, 2018, at 10:18 PM, rjaquiss via BlindLaw > wrote: > > > > Hello: > > > > > > > > I thought the following would be of interest. > > > > > > > > > https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Texas-saved-billions-cutting-special-edu > > cation-13182079.php > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Robert > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > BlindLaw mailing list > > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/will.burley3%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dwiniecki%40handid.org > From michael.mcglashon at comcast.net Sun Aug 26 13:21:18 2018 From: michael.mcglashon at comcast.net (MIKE MCGLASHON) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 09:21:18 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Article about special education in Texas or lack thereof In-Reply-To: References: <000501d43ceb$82649d00$872dd700$@earthlink.net> <8CCC76EB-F8F1-4BBE-BD41-5B08BF0181C6@gmail.com> Message-ID: <025301d43d3f$af43b0f0$0dcb12d0$@comcast.net> When we get a link like this, How do we "unline" it so that it is all together? I get this a lot where links continue onto multiple lines; Mike mcglashon Email: Michael.mcglashon at comcast.net Ph: 618 783 9331 -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Donald Winiecki via BlindLaw Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 8:24 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Donald Winiecki Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Article about special education in Texas or lack thereof Mr Burley, It appears that your mail reader has split the URL into two lines. The URL below was reassembled into one line that starts with 'http://' and ends with '13182079.php'. If it still doesn't work for you, please check that your mail reader has not split the URL. https://www.sfgate.com/news/ar ticle/Texas-saved-billions-cut ting-special-education-13182079.php _don On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 3:45 AM Will Burley via BlindLaw < blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: > I got an error message. > > > > > Will Burley > Phone: 713-614-3322 > > > "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will > forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them > feel." -Maya Angelou > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Aug 25, 2018, at 10:18 PM, rjaquiss via BlindLaw > > > wrote: > > > > Hello: > > > > > > > > I thought the following would be of interest. > > > > > > > > > https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Texas-saved-billions-cutting-speci > al-edu > > cation-13182079.php > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Robert > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > BlindLaw mailing list > > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > > for > BlindLaw: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/will.burley3%40g > mail.com _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dwiniecki%40hand > id.org > _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/michael.mcglashon%40co mcast.net From dwiniecki at handid.org Sun Aug 26 14:31:18 2018 From: dwiniecki at handid.org (Donald Winiecki) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 08:31:18 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] Article about special education in Texas or lack thereof In-Reply-To: <025301d43d3f$af43b0f0$0dcb12d0$@comcast.net> References: <000501d43ceb$82649d00$872dd700$@earthlink.net> <8CCC76EB-F8F1-4BBE-BD41-5B08BF0181C6@gmail.com> <025301d43d3f$af43b0f0$0dcb12d0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: Mike, I'm afraid I don't know how to stop that! I use a mail service based on Gmail and it has never happened to me. _don On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 7:22 AM MIKE MCGLASHON via BlindLaw < blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: > When we get a link like this, > How do we "unline" it so that it is all together? > I get this a lot where links continue onto multiple lines; > > > Mike mcglashon > Email: Michael.mcglashon at comcast.net > Ph: 618 783 9331 > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Donald Winiecki > via BlindLaw > Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 8:24 AM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Donald Winiecki > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Article about special education in Texas or lack > thereof > > Mr Burley, > > It appears that your mail reader has split the URL into two lines. > > The URL below was reassembled into one line that starts with 'http://' and > ends with '13182079.php'. If it still doesn't work for you, please check > that your mail reader has not split the URL. > > https://www.sfgate.com/news/ar > ticle/Texas-saved-billions-cut > ting-special-education-13182079.php > > _don > > > On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 3:45 AM Will Burley via BlindLaw < > blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: > > > I got an error message. > > > > > > > > > > Will Burley > > Phone: 713-614-3322 > > > > > > "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will > > forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them > > feel." -Maya Angelou > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Aug 25, 2018, at 10:18 PM, rjaquiss via BlindLaw > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Hello: > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought the following would be of interest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Texas-saved-billions-cutting-speci > > al-edu > > > cation-13182079.php > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Robert > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > BlindLaw mailing list > > > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > > > for > > BlindLaw: > > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/will.burley3%40g > > mail.com _______________________________________________ > > BlindLaw mailing list > > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > BlindLaw: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dwiniecki%40hand > > id.org > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/michael.mcglashon%40co > mcast.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dwiniecki%40handid.org > From rjaquiss at earthlink.net Sun Aug 26 15:12:48 2018 From: rjaquiss at earthlink.net (rjaquiss) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 09:12:48 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] Article about special education in Texas or lack thereof In-Reply-To: <025301d43d3f$af43b0f0$0dcb12d0$@comcast.net> References: <000501d43ceb$82649d00$872dd700$@earthlink.net> <8CCC76EB-F8F1-4BBE-BD41-5B08BF0181C6@gmail.com> <025301d43d3f$af43b0f0$0dcb12d0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <002701d43d4f$40c39fe0$c24adfa0$@earthlink.net> Hello: If a link is broken up on more than one line, carefully copy the pieces to the clipboard. You can then use notepad to put the pieces back together. This can be done by going to the end of a line and pressing delete. When the link is all on one line copy the line to the clipboard, press Windows-r, backspace and then past in the link. Hope this helps. Regards, Robert -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of MIKE MCGLASHON via BlindLaw Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 7:21 AM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: MIKE MCGLASHON Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Article about special education in Texas or lack thereof When we get a link like this, How do we "unline" it so that it is all together? I get this a lot where links continue onto multiple lines; Mike mcglashon Email: Michael.mcglashon at comcast.net Ph: 618 783 9331 -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Donald Winiecki via BlindLaw Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 8:24 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Donald Winiecki Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Article about special education in Texas or lack thereof Mr Burley, It appears that your mail reader has split the URL into two lines. The URL below was reassembled into one line that starts with 'http://' and ends with '13182079.php'. If it still doesn't work for you, please check that your mail reader has not split the URL. https://www.sfgate.com/news/ar ticle/Texas-saved-billions-cut ting-special-education-13182079.php _don On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 3:45 AM Will Burley via BlindLaw < blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: > I got an error message. > > > > > Will Burley > Phone: 713-614-3322 > > > "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will > forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them > feel." -Maya Angelou > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Aug 25, 2018, at 10:18 PM, rjaquiss via BlindLaw > > > wrote: > > > > Hello: > > > > > > > > I thought the following would be of interest. > > > > > > > > > https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Texas-saved-billions-cutting-speci > al-edu > > cation-13182079.php > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Robert > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > BlindLaw mailing list > > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > > for > BlindLaw: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/will.burley3%40g > mail.com _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dwiniecki%40hand > id.org > _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/michael.mcglashon%40co mcast.net _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rjaquiss%40earthlink.n et From dandrews at visi.com Sun Aug 26 15:47:45 2018 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 10:47:45 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Article about special education in Texas or lack thereof In-Reply-To: References: <000501d43ceb$82649d00$872dd700$@earthlink.net> <8CCC76EB-F8F1-4BBE-BD41-5B08BF0181C6@gmail.com> <025301d43d3f$af43b0f0$0dcb12d0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: One way to handle this is to select and cut the link to your clipboard, then to paste it into another application, like notepad, edit it to take out breaks, recopy to clipboard, and paste into your browser. Dave At 09:31 AM 8/26/2018, you wrote: >Mike, I'm afraid I don't know how to stop that! > >I use a mail service based on Gmail and it has never happened to me. > >_don > > >On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 7:22 AM MIKE MCGLASHON via BlindLaw < >blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: > > > When we get a link like this, > > How do we "unline" it so that it is all together? > > I get this a lot where links continue onto multiple lines; > > > > > > Mike mcglashon > > Email: Michael.mcglashon at comcast.net > > Ph: 618 783 9331 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Donald Winiecki > > via BlindLaw > > Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 8:24 AM > > To: Blind Law Mailing List > > Cc: Donald Winiecki > > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Article about special education in Texas or lack > > thereof > > > > Mr Burley, > > > > It appears that your mail reader has split the URL into two lines. > > > > The URL below was reassembled into one line that starts with 'http://' and > > ends with '13182079.php'. If it still doesn't work for you, please check > > that your mail reader has not split the URL. > > > > https://www.sfgate.com/news/ar > > ticle/Texas-saved-billions-cut > > ting-special-education-13182079.php > > > > _don > > > > > > On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 3:45 AM Will Burley via BlindLaw < > > blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: > > > > > I got an error message. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will Burley > > > Phone: 713-614-3322 > > > > > > > > > "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will > > > forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them > > > feel." -Maya Angelou > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > On Aug 25, 2018, at 10:18 PM, rjaquiss via BlindLaw > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought the following would be of interest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Texas-saved-billions-cutting-speci > > > al-edu > > > > cation-13182079.php > > > > > > > > From ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com Sun Aug 26 16:28:10 2018 From: ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com (Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 10:28:10 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] Article about special education in Texas or lack thereof In-Reply-To: <000501d43ceb$82649d00$872dd700$@earthlink.net> References: <000501d43ceb$82649d00$872dd700$@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <021f01d43d59$c7e64e50$57b2eaf0$@com> Hellorjaquiss: This link: https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Texas-saved-billions-cutting-special-edu generated a PAGE NOT FOUND! Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado From mnowicki4 at icloud.com Sun Aug 26 18:24:46 2018 From: mnowicki4 at icloud.com (Michal Nowicki) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 13:24:46 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Article about special education in Texas or lack thereof In-Reply-To: <021f01d43d59$c7e64e50$57b2eaf0$@com> References: <000501d43ceb$82649d00$872dd700$@earthlink.net> <021f01d43d59$c7e64e50$57b2eaf0$@com> Message-ID: <0PE200A67Z57Z140@st11p00im-asmtp004.me.com> All, I followed David’s instructions on pasting the link into Notepad, and after doing so, I was able to get rid of the page not found message and access the article successfully. While navigating the URL by character in Notepad, I discovered a carriage return buried in the web address, which I removed. I then selected the entire URL, copied it to the clipboard, and pasted it into my web browser’s address bar. I hope this helps. Michal Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via BlindLaw Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 11:29 AM To: rjaquiss at earthlink.net; 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Article about special education in Texas or lack thereof Hellorjaquiss: This link: https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Texas-saved-billions-cutting-special-edu generated a PAGE NOT FOUND! Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%40icloud.com From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Mon Aug 27 15:37:20 2018 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 15:37:20 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] FW: [WADA] Fwd: Employment Opportunity - Office of Program Research In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: From: washingtonattorneyswithdisabilitiesassociation at googlegroups.com [mailto:washingtonattorneyswithdisabilitiesassociation at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Conrad Reynoldson Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 11:15 AM To: WashingtonAttorneyswithDisabilitiesAssociation at googlegroups.com Subject: [WADA] Fwd: Employment Opportunity - Office of Program Research I am the Assistant Director of the Office of Program Research, the non-partisan research staff for the Washington State House of Representatives in Olympia. Our staff works directly with legislators and performs a variety of tasks, including legal and policy research and analysis, formulating policy options, drafting, and making presentations in front of legislative committees. We employ around 65 full-time professional staff consisting of attorneys, policy analysts, and fiscal analysts. My office is currently recruiting for three counsel/research analyst positions. I have attached the job announcement to this e-mail and would appreciate it if you could share it with members of the Washington Attorneys with Disabilities Association. Please don't hesitate to contact me if you have questions and thanks in advance for your help. Jim Morishima Assistant Director, Office of Program Research Counsel, House Health Care and Wellness Committee (360) 786-7191 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Washington Attorneys with Disabilities Association" group. 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We kindly request that you please post the job openings (shown below) to your organization’s website and/or forward the description to your members via e-mail. If you have any questions, please contact me. Thank you in advance for your attention to this matter. Joy Jenkins Regional Management Officer Office of Hearings Operations – Region 10 •206.615.2242 (office) Posting for Job Openings Agency: Social Security Administration Position: Attorney Advisor Type of Appointment: Full-time-Excepted Service (Not to Exceed (NTE)) Four-year (4) appointment, may be extended or made permanent). Geographic Region: Pacific Northwest Locations: Eugene, Oregon, Spokane, Washington and Seattle, Washington Application Deadline: as soon as possible Start Date: Acceptance required by 9/30/18 but new employee can report up until 10/14/18 Position Description and Duties: The position is for an Attorney Advisor for the Social Security Administration Office of Hearings Operations. The issues largely relate to disability determinations in applications for Social Security Disability Benefits and Supplemental Security Income. An Attorney Advisor drafts grammatically and technically correct, persuasive, legally sufficient decisions on behalf of Administrative Law Judges which are supported by the evidence and addresses all medical and legal aspects of the case. An Attorney Advisor ensures the decisions are appropriate for issuance to claimants and representatives and are consistent with the agency rules and regulations. An Attorney Advisor reviews and analyzes remanded decisions to ensure Court and/or Agency instructions are followed. As appropriate, an Attorney Advisor makes recommendations to the Administrative Law Judges to ensure an accurate, legally sufficient decision is issued. Skills: • Exceptional legal writing skills, including great attention to detail. • Ability to produce high quality work product within designated time constraints. • Ability to review and analyze voluminous medical records efficiently. Salary range: The Attorney Advisor position is subject to the Government General Schedule pay scale. The Attorney-Advisor position is categorized as a GS 9/11/12 position. Salary will be determined based on experience as adjusted for the locality. See also: https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/pay-leave/salaries-wages/2017/general-schedule/ To Apply: Submit a cover letter, proof of bar membership and good standing, resume, references, and writing sample of no more than seven (7) pages in length. In addition, you may be required to take a time writing test. Please indicate which office(s) you wish to be considered. Submissions are to be sent to Regional Management Officer Joy Jenkins at Joy.Jenkins at ssa.gov. No phone calls, please. -- Conrad Reynoldson, Attorney at Law Washington Civil & Disability Advocate www.wacda.com 3513 NE 45th Street, Suite G Seattle, WA 98105 Office (206) 855-3134 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Washington Attorneys with Disabilities Association" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to WashingtonAttorneyswithDisabilitiesAssociation+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to WashingtonAttorneyswithDisabilitiesAssociation at googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/WashingtonAttorneyswithDisabilitiesAssociation. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. From ashley.biggs1 at maryland.gov Mon Aug 27 16:44:54 2018 From: ashley.biggs1 at maryland.gov (Ashley Biggs -LBPH-) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 12:44:54 -0400 Subject: [blindlaw] Library Update on Teleconference and Great American Read! Message-ID: Hello everyone! Hope you had a great weekend. *Teleconference Program Information:* As promised, I'm attaching presenter notes from our Voting 101/Voting Accessibility Teleconference last week. Our presenters were Ralph Watkins of the League of Women Voters ; Erin Perrone and Courtney Bryant of the State Board of Elections. The program was not recorded, but all three of our presenters were kind enough to share their notes with us! It was a great event, filled with a lot of information! I have attached them in PDF format - if you need them in Word format, please let me know offlist. Additionally, Ms. Lou Anne Blake from the National Federation of the Blind would like to make additional resources available for Blind and Low Vision voters. The direct link to this information is https://nfb.org/hava-legislation. There you will find a wealth of information, including a video on the Blind Voter's experience. You will also find voting guides in BRF, Word, and Audio formats, in both English and Spanish. *Great American Read Information: * The library is excited to be part of the Great American Read program . This program is a literacy initiative hosted by PBS and hopes to have Americas vote on the country's all-time favorite book. This is an interactive event that is held online and on television! Here is how it works: - Read through the list of 100 books selected by PBS - see which titles you've read and which you've haven't. We are attaching the list for your review. - Read new books, revisit old favorites - Vote on your favorite book; Voting is held open and will continue from now until October 18th at Midnight. How to vote: - Patrons can visit https://www.pbs.org/the-great-american-read/vote/ to place their vote via PBS's website. The website is designed to have the look and feel of an application, so it is very responsive to mobile devices. You will need to register with PBS in order to cast your vote. It's easy and it's free. - If you'd prefer, you can vote via Facebook or Twitter using the official hashtag of the book you've chosen. Each book has an official hashtag found beneath the book on the attached list. To vote, either make an original post on the social media platforms OR comment on the official PBS Great American Read Facebook page . - You can also vote via SMS with one of the unique hashtags for the book. Just send an SMS to 97979 with your hashtag vote, and you'll have voted! Standard data rates apply. - In September, PBS will have a toll free call-in method of voting as well. You are able to vote once per day, per voting method. That means if you vote for #VOTEBESTROMANCEEVER (not a real title), you can vote via Facebook, Text, and the Website - but only once per day. We also are encouraging our patrons to watch the PBS specials associated with the Great American Read. The videos will be added to the PBS website as they become available. The television series launches September 11th at 8:00 PM. The direct link to the videos: https://www.pbs.org/the-great-american-read/watch/ *The results will be announced on October 23rd on PBS!* If you have any questions, please let me know! Best, Ashley -- *Ashley M. Biggs* *Outreach Librarian* Maryland State Library for the Blind and Physically Handicapped Maryland State Library 415 Park Avenue Baltimore, Maryland 21201-3603 410-230-2430 (office) | 667-209-1563 (cell) | 410-333-2095 (fax) ashley.biggs1 at maryland.gov http://www.lbph.maryland.gov Click here to complete a three-question customer experience survey. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: SBE infomration on Voting.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 340483 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This list has been an invaluable resource to me, and I'm really grateful to all of you who have answered my questions over the past five or so years. here's to many more amazing ones ahead! On 8/20/18, Michal Nowicki via BlindLaw wrote: > Congratulations, Laura! That is a fantastic accomplishment! Keep up the > great work! > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Prevost, Ann Marie via BlindLaw > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 9:20 AM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Prevost, Ann Marie > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Laura Wolk ’16 J.D. to clerk for U.S. Supreme Court > Justice Clarence Thomas > > Laura, > Congratulations! I am so excited to go home from work today and tell my > daughter about your great success! > I always tell her she can do anything, but it is wonderful for her to > actually see someone who has made her dreams a reality. > What a great role model you are! > > ANN MARIE PREVOST > Staff Attorney > > SIDLEY AUSTIN LLP > +1 212 839 5408 > aprevost at sidley.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of kelby carlson via > BlindLaw > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 3:37 PM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: kelby carlson > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Laura Wolk ’16 J.D. to clerk for U.S. Supreme Court > Justice Clarence Thomas > > Wow! That's amazing! 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Thank you, Dana From: Diana Singleton Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2018 11:04 AM To: Dana Barnett Subject: FW: Job Opening for WSBA Public Service Specialist Hi Dana, Could you share this with the MBAs and also encourage any individuals you think would be a good fit (e.g., Paige?)? Thanks, Diana From: Diana Singleton [mailto:dianas at wsba.org] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2018 9:32 AM To: ATJ Community Subject: [atj-community] Job Opening for WSBA Public Service Specialist Hello ATJ Community, I'm writing to share an open job posting for the WSBA Public Service Specialist. The Specialist will be joining the WSBA's Access to Justice team (Bonnie Sterken and me) and will be primarily working on WSBA public service work like the Moderate Means Program and Call to Duty Program, and staffing the Pro Bono and Public Service Committee. 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Technological access for those with disabilities and curbing the school-to-prison pipeline were the focus of two resolutions brought by the Commission on Disability Rights before the ABA House of Delegates on Tuesday. Both were passed with overwhelming support. Resolution 116B was prompted by concern for the "disproportionate impact of over-discipline on students of color, students with disabilities, and LGBTQ students, resulting in disparate push-out rates and juvenile justice system or prison interactions." To that end, the resolution urges that laws and policies be adopted to largely prohibit out-of-school suspension and expulsion for children in pre-kindergarten through second grade. The two exceptions cited would be if "(1) the student poses an imminent threat of serious physical harm to self or others that cannot be reduced or eliminated through the use of age-appropriate school-based behavior interventions and supports, and (2) the duration of the exclusion is limited to the shortest period practicable." "Whether there's a disability, whether there's a problem at home, suspension is not the answer to these issues," said Maryland delegate Robert T. Gonzales, chair of the Commission on Disability Rights. For that same pre-K to second-grade age group, the resolution urges that schools contact law enforcement "only where there is an imminent threat of serious physical harm to the student or others that cannot be reduced or eliminated through the use of age-appropriate school-based behavioral interventions and supports." "The decriminalization of this kind of activity is extremely important," Gonzales said. The resolution also calls for required ongoing training for teachers, administrators and other school staff on subjects like "functional behavior assessments and behavior intervention plans, the implementation of social emotional learning programs, the use of restorative practices and trauma-informed practices, the identification and evaluation of students with disabilities, and the implementation of individualized academic and behavior supports for students with disabilities." In Resolution 116C, the House voted to urge courts and government entities to interpret Titles II and III of the Americans with Disabilities Act as applying to technology, and goods and services delivered via technology. A revision was entered to specify that the interpretations be "subject to all statutory requirements, limitations, exceptions, exemptions, and defenses" and that the technology be made accessible to all people, including those with "visual, hearing, manual, and other disabilities." "Today I'm here as a mythbuster," said Scott LaBarre, a member of the ABA Board of Governors. LaBarre said that the first myth he wanted to bust was that his disability was a terrible affliction. "I do well, I don't regret the fact that I'm blind," LaBarre said. "In fact, in many ways, being blind may have made be a better person than I would have otherwise been." But the second myth he had to debunk was that the digital age had removed most barriers for people with disabilities. If a piece of technology was not designed in a way that makes it compatible with assistive technology like screenreaders, then it is as useless to him as having the information printed on paper, he told delegates. The accessibility of technology to those with disabilities has been an ongoing issue. Many websites and online retailers are not currently usable by people with visual disabilities who use screenreaders, for example. Legal technology is no exception, and the final section of the resolution explicitly references "all technology relating to the provision of legal services". LaBarre got a laugh from the House when he noted that when the ADA was signed in 1990, "Al Gore had not yet invented the internet," and so the act did not explicitly reference online spaces. He called on the delegates to support urging the courts to recognize the ADA as applying to those spaces and technologies. The ABA is currently in the beta-testing stage of launching its new website, and LaBarre said he was greatly encouraged that every page he'd tested had been accessible to him. He praised the association's commitment to making sure that the website would be accessible before it launched. A third resolution by the commission that would have urged Congress to establish a private right of action for violations of the Air Carrier Access Act was withdrawn, and Gonzales told the delegates that they expected to bring it back at the ABA Midyear Meeting.