[blindlaw] Complaining to Freedom Scientific About the Sporadic Functioning of the Virtual Viewer For Viewing Track Changes In Word

Tue Aug 21 14:57:05 UTC 2018

In the August 2018 release of JAWS [available here:
https://www.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/jaws/JAWSWhatsNew#Enhancements],
one enhancement is the following:
"• When using the INSERT+SHIFT+R or WINDOWS+SEMICOLON commands in word
to list revisions or display revisions in the Virtual Viewer, if the
document contains
a lot of revisions, JAWS now plays a sound every few seconds as the
list is being built. After 30 seconds, if all revisions have not yet
been found, JAWS
plays a different tone, and only the revisions found up to that point
are displayed."

So it seems that the virtual viewer will display a large portion of
the revisions, if not all, as opposed to saying that there are no
revisions at all, in the event that there are more than 100 revisions.

Best,
Rahul

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On 09/08/2018, Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com> wrote:
> On deeper reflection, I think I have also seen this happening with as few as
> 40 revisions. Perhaps it could be attributable to the same cause?
> Will bring up the footnote issue.
>
> Best,
> Rahul
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 9, 2018, at 8:47 PM, Amar Jain <amarjain at amarjain.com> wrote:
>>
>> While I can’t reproduce this every time, but I have observed this
>> happening with less then 100 revisions as well.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Amar Jain
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On 09-Aug-2018, at 8:40 PM, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> For the record, that more or less mapped onto my experience. But,
>>> Rahul, can you please remind them of the footnote issue? Track changes
>>> in footnotes never show up for me regardless of how few changes there
>>> are. So it sounds like their answer is incomplete.
>>>
>>> Laura
>>>
>>>> On 8/9/18, Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>>
>>>> There's been an update from Freedom Scientific on this. They say that
>>>> the basic issue is that this feature doesn't work in documents that
>>>> have more than 100 revisions. This is because the processing time
>>>> required to prepare a list of revisions in such circumstances is more
>>>> than what is permissible. To fix this, they'll modify the processing
>>>> time in an upcoming JAWS update.
>>>>
>>>> I am not sure if the 100 revisions theory is accurate. I will test out
>>>> a few documents with less and more than 100 revisions to ascertain if
>>>> that is the actual issue. I was wondering what others think about
>>>> this.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Rahul
>>>>
>>>>> On 01/08/2018, Kelby Carlson <kelbycarlson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I use NVDA now and while it doesn't have a virtual viewer, it is also
>>>>> much less likely to have huge bugs in upgrades that cause problems
>>>>> like
>>>>> this. I was on law review and that was actually what compelled me to
>>>>> switch screen readers, JAWS was working so badly. And, NVDA is free!
>>>>>> On 8/1/2018 8:20 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw wrote:
>>>>>> Haha, yes. I'll be very happy if they fix it even for Word 16,
>>>>>> because
>>>>>> switching office versions would be still better than perusing
>>>>>> revisions with something like quick keys.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Rahul
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 01/08/2018, Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Oh Neat. So now, best case scenario, we'll still have two
>>>>>>> semi-accessible versions of the most commonly used word processing
>>>>>>> program at our disposal if we shell out $1,000. We are so lucky.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 8/1/18, Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Thanks, Amar and Laura.
>>>>>>>> They've told me that they'll investigate the use of the virtual
>>>>>>>> viewer
>>>>>>>> in Office 16 and Office 365 and cannot do anything about Office 10
>>>>>>>> which I also use a fair bit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The solution has to be found in MS Office itself; using  Office 365
>>>>>>>> just for this is not feasible.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>> Rahul
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 01/08/2018, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Thank you, Rahul. I had also reported last fall, and they promised
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> quote expedite quote the problem, and that it would make its way
>>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>>> the next upgrade. It didn't, of course. With this prompting, I
>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>> re-send in my concerns as well. In particular, footnoted
>>>>>>>>> trackchanges
>>>>>>>>> never show up, not just sporadically, and if there are more than a
>>>>>>>>> hundred changes in the document, no revisions are displayed. I
>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>> make sure they know this.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Laura
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 8/1/18, Amar Jain via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Rahul,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Glad that you reported too.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I did few months back, and they wrote back saying upgrading to
>>>>>>>>>> Office365
>>>>>>>>>> might help! And you know that these things are organization
>>>>>>>>>> driven.
>>>>>>>>>> Let
>>>>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>>>> speak to Cory.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>> Amar Jain
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 01-Aug-2018, at 4:40 PM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I have reached out to Freedom Scientific, requesting them to fix
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> functioning of virtual viewer in Word. As I am sure you are
>>>>>>>>>>> aware,
>>>>>>>>>>> JAWS often says 'no track changes' when one presses windows+;
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> selects 'revisions', even when there are revisions in a
>>>>>>>>>>> document.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This is the quickest and simplest way to view revisions and can
>>>>>>>>>>> help
>>>>>>>>>>> blind lawyers use this feature pretty much as seamlessly as
>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>> sighted counterparts. However, owing to this glitch, one has to
>>>>>>>>>>> access
>>>>>>>>>>> revisions by adopting far more time-consuming approaches.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I have reported this to FS, and two of their people are
>>>>>>>>>>> investigating
>>>>>>>>>>> it. I would urge members of this group to report this problem on
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> following email IDs: Bryan Carver <BCarver at vfogroup.com, Cory
>>>>>>>>>>> Jackson
>>>>>>>>>>> <CJackson at vfogroup.com> and Grant Patterson
>>>>>>>>>>> <GPatterson at vfogroup.com>.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I recall that at least 4 people had attested to this problem when
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>> had brought it up a few months ago - Angie, Laura, Sy and Amar.
>>>>>>>>>>> If
>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>> reach out to FS in large numbers, we may be able to get them to
>>>>>>>>>>> prioritize this and fix the issue. Thank you.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>> Rahul
>>>>>>>>>>>
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