[blindlaw] Update on Jaws and Track Changes

Tue Dec 18 10:55:22 UTC 2018

I've reached out to NVDA folks and heard that in theory it works.  But
I don't know if they are working with files as large/with as many
edits as I'm talking about.  The problem is that I can't test a work
doc on my home PC, and I'll need to get permission to download NVDA at
work.  So if anyone could assist with confirming or denying that it's
better, I'd appreciate it.  I truly believe the NFB has to throw its
clout behind this--how can a professional function in any aspect of
society in this day without reliable recourse to track changes?  We
can't all keep spare machines from 2005 around, what with the cost and
firms having this funny hang-up about security breaches and all.

On 12/18/18, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Steve, many of us reached out to Freedom Scientific about this and the
> somewhat improved, albeit imperfect, system that we now have is the
> product of that exercise.
>
> Best,
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> On 18/12/2018, Steve Jacobson via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Has anyone verified if NVDA provides more accurate feedback?  Also, is
>> anyone in communication with JAWS on this?  I am sorry if this was stated
>> earlier.  However, if NVDA handles this aspect correctly, then one can
>> definitely lean on JAWS.  Ideally, the problem should be described to
>> JAWS
>> and a document exhibiting the problem should be attached as well.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Steve Jacobson
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Laura Wolk via
>> BlindLaw
>> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 8:25 PM
>> To: tim at timeldermusic.com
>> Cc: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com>; Blind Law Mailing List
>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Update on Jaws and Track Changes
>>
>> Nope. Not an option. And though 2010 didn't crash nearly as much as the
>> newer versions, it still couldn't handle documents with more than a
>> hundred
>> or so revisions. Which, you know, is basically every round of editing a
>> brief or large filing of any kind. Using 2010 was my work-around for 6
>> years. But I'm really getting fed up. It'd be great if we all colectively
>> could put pressure on Jaws to actually give us the tools we need to
>> succeed
>> and be on equal footing with our peers.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Dec 17, 2018, at 8:05 PM, <tim at timeldermusic.com>
>> <tim at timeldermusic.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Track changes in newly created Word documents still work reliably in
>> Office 2010 if using an older machine for this kind of task is an option.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2018 11:22 AM
>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: [blindlaw] Update on Jaws and Track Changes
>>>
>>> I'm providing an update to this topic, as it generated a lot of traffic
>> and I'd love to spare another lawyer the risk of relying on this $1,000
>> disappointment to his professional detriment.
>>>
>>> Jaws still does not announce the correct number of revisions.
>>> Instead, after taking up to 30 or 45 seconds sometimes, it will announce
>>> a
>> much larger number that still isn't always accurate.  This is actually
>> worse
>> than when it simply said there were no revisions to display, since we all
>> knew that was incorrect.  now it gives the false sense of security that
>> you
>> have, in fact, looked at every revision when there could be a hundred
>> more
>> that are not displaying that you haven't reviewed.  note that though this
>> isn't a terrible inconvenience when you are integrating all changes into
>> one
>> draft from only one document, it is a huge problem if you are receiving
>> multiple streams of edits from multiple sources that you are trying to
>> accept/reject and then compile into one final draft.  So be forewarned,
>> Jaws
>> is sstill failing abysmally at providing us with the elementary tools
>> needed
>> in 2018 to maintain "Job access."
>>>
>>>
>>>
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