[blindlaw] Update on Jaws and Track Changes

Paul Harpur p.harpur at law.uq.edu.au
Tue Dec 18 11:07:22 UTC 2018


Years ago I had an issue that a lawfirm I had had a scanner that pumped out things I could not convert and read.  I had better software at home and wanted to test it.  So I got the secretary to photocopy and scan some pages from a judgment and I took that home and tested it.  You could do something similar and ask your IT people to create a document with the amount of track changes on it that you are talking about which has no confidentiality issues attaching to it.  

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-----Original Message-----
From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Laura Wolk via BlindLaw
Sent: Tuesday, 18 December 2018 8:55 PM
To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com>; Steve Jacobson <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Update on Jaws and Track Changes

I've reached out to NVDA folks and heard that in theory it works.  But I don't know if they are working with files as large/with as many edits as I'm talking about.  The problem is that I can't test a work doc on my home PC, and I'll need to get permission to download NVDA at work.  So if anyone could assist with confirming or denying that it's better, I'd appreciate it.  I truly believe the NFB has to throw its clout behind this--how can a professional function in any aspect of society in this day without reliable recourse to track changes?  We can't all keep spare machines from 2005 around, what with the cost and firms having this funny hang-up about security breaches and all.

On 12/18/18, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Steve, many of us reached out to Freedom Scientific about this and the 
> somewhat improved, albeit imperfect, system that we now have is the 
> product of that exercise.
>
> Best,
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> On 18/12/2018, Steve Jacobson via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Has anyone verified if NVDA provides more accurate feedback?  Also, 
>> is anyone in communication with JAWS on this?  I am sorry if this was 
>> stated earlier.  However, if NVDA handles this aspect correctly, then 
>> one can definitely lean on JAWS.  Ideally, the problem should be 
>> described to JAWS and a document exhibiting the problem should be 
>> attached as well.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Steve Jacobson
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Laura Wolk 
>> via BlindLaw
>> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 8:25 PM
>> To: tim at timeldermusic.com
>> Cc: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com>; Blind Law Mailing List 
>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Update on Jaws and Track Changes
>>
>> Nope. Not an option. And though 2010 didn't crash nearly as much as 
>> the newer versions, it still couldn't handle documents with more than 
>> a hundred or so revisions. Which, you know, is basically every round 
>> of editing a brief or large filing of any kind. Using 2010 was my 
>> work-around for 6 years. But I'm really getting fed up. It'd be great 
>> if we all colectively could put pressure on Jaws to actually give us 
>> the tools we need to succeed and be on equal footing with our peers.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Dec 17, 2018, at 8:05 PM, <tim at timeldermusic.com>
>> <tim at timeldermusic.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Track changes in newly created Word documents still work reliably in
>> Office 2010 if using an older machine for this kind of task is an option.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2018 11:22 AM
>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: [blindlaw] Update on Jaws and Track Changes
>>>
>>> I'm providing an update to this topic, as it generated a lot of 
>>> traffic
>> and I'd love to spare another lawyer the risk of relying on this 
>> $1,000 disappointment to his professional detriment.
>>>
>>> Jaws still does not announce the correct number of revisions.
>>> Instead, after taking up to 30 or 45 seconds sometimes, it will 
>>> announce a
>> much larger number that still isn't always accurate.  This is 
>> actually worse than when it simply said there were no revisions to 
>> display, since we all knew that was incorrect.  now it gives the 
>> false sense of security that you have, in fact, looked at every 
>> revision when there could be a hundred more that are not displaying 
>> that you haven't reviewed.  note that though this isn't a terrible 
>> inconvenience when you are integrating all changes into one draft 
>> from only one document, it is a huge problem if you are receiving 
>> multiple streams of edits from multiple sources that you are trying 
>> to accept/reject and then compile into one final draft.  So be 
>> forewarned, Jaws is sstill failing abysmally at providing us with the 
>> elementary tools needed in 2018 to maintain "Job access."
>>>
>>>
>>>
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