[blindlaw] Update on Jaws and Track Changes

Fri Dec 21 20:43:05 UTC 2018

Hi all

Rahul's custom keystrokes work around sounds promising to me, so thank
you for that. I'd be very happy to help out on testing a document
also, if useful - I don't have Office 365 though.

Kind regards

Ger

On 12/21/18, kelby carlson via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> For those asking about NVDA, I find that it works marginally better with
> track changes and footnotes. In fact, it was after nojoining law review that
> I was forced to switch to NVDA. I switched to MS Word 2016 and was having
> many of the same issues described above. NVDA generally works fine with
> footnotes, though there is still lag sometimes. Track changes work, but not
> all that well—you still can't get an accurate list of them in the elements
> list, and sometimes the keystrokes to move by annotation do not work.
> However, because NVDA is open-source and has a lot of developers, it is far
> more likely to be responsive to issues like these than VFO. I know that
> switching screen readers is a big pain, but JAWS and NVDA were similar
> enough that I managed it, and there are certain things I actually like
> better than JAWS.
>
> If anyone wants to send me those sample documents I could also look at them
> with NVDA.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 21, 2018, at 12:28 PM, James T. Fetter via BlindLaw
>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> I can't wait to hold VFO's feet to the fire on this. If desired, I can
>> discuss whether any of the partners at my firm would be willing to sign
>> any letter we draft. I have at least been slowed down by difficulties with
>> track changes.
>>
>> In the meantime though, we could ask that new text be put in bold/italic.
>> One of the partners at my firm, who is sighted, prefers that anyway. And
>> at least Jaws can be set to read different  styles in different voices,
>> although that feature is also unacceptably glitchy.
>>
>>> On 12/19/2018 5:09 PM, Shannon via BlindLaw wrote:
>>> It does
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
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>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Shannon
>>> Dillon via BlindLaw
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 3:56 PM
>>> To: Laura Wolk
>>> Cc: Shannon Dillon; Blind Law Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Update on Jaws and Track Changes
>>>
>>> Hi Shannon,
>>> Using track changes is more sophisticated than putting a star and
>>> initials by the change. Usually, when JAWS is working, you can see in
>>> one font what was inserted, what was deleted, and multiple people make
>>> changes to the same document. Also, the changes are indicated by font
>>> as you make them. If you insert something, it shows up in a different
>>> font as you are typing it and if you delete something, the font
>>> changes as you delete it. So you don't have to go back and highlight
>>> something and use strikeout to show it is deleted, or highlight it and
>>> indicate with bold or italics you added it. Track changes does it all
>>> in one step. And if you agree with the change you can click an accept
>>> button. Or you can reject it. If you had to manually select your
>>> change and change the font for hundreds of changes in one document
>>> made by a bunch of people, it would just take so much time to go back
>>> and manually get rid of all the changes after you decide whether you
>>> agree or disagree with them. Hope this very simple explanation makes
>>> sense.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 12/19/18, Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Rahul,  Thank you!  Can you please make sure that the document
>>>> includes footnotes that also contain revisions?  Also, I would make
>>>> sure the document contains all the types of revisions we might expect,
>>>> i.e., deletions, insertions, changing font attributes like changing a
>>>> word into italics, and perhaps making a paragraph insertion.  Note
>>>> where they are and how Jaws communicates that info to you as you are
>>>> reading through the document, and the rest of us who test will do the
>>>> same.
>>>>
>>>> To drive home the point that Jaws never captures track changes in
>>>> footnotes, can you please also make a second, very simple document
>>>> with one footnote containing one revision, and verify that jaws tells
>>>> you that the document contains no revisions?  You can send them to me
>>>> off-list with your notes about how many revisions there are, how many
>>>> are reported, and where specific types of revisions are so that we can
>>>> see what Jaws tells us.
>>>>
>>>> If you're interested in being a part of the testing list, send me an
>>>> email at laura.wolk at gmail.com and let me know the version of jaws,
>>>> windows, and office you use.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, everyone!  So glad I didn't hold back from my soapboxing on
>>>> Saturday!
>>>>
>>>>> On 12/19/18, Shannon Dillon via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Hi. I just wanted to thank Rahul for the directions and Laura for
>>>>> initiating the track changes thread. I've been fighting with track
>>>>> changes forever and it seems to have gotten worse. Thanks everyone for
>>>>> sharing their work-arounds and experiences. I'm so glad we can work on
>>>>> this together with VFO.
>>>>> Shannon
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/19/18, Angie Matney via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Rahul, Thank you for this information and for producing a sample
>>>>>> document.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks also for the alternate ways to see how a document looks when
>>>>>> all
>>>>>> changes are accepted. I often need to have "clean" files that either
>>>>>> incorporaqe or reject all revisions. I do this with the "accept all
>>>>>> changes"
>>>>>> and "reject all changes" commands, which can be accessed with alt-r,
>>>>>> a,
>>>>>> l,
>>>>>> and alt-r, j l in Word 2016, respectively.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks again. I'm going to experiment with custom keystrokes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Angie
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Dec 19, 2018, at 2:16 PM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw
>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I will definitely share a document by tomorrow which in fact has more
>>>>>>> revisions than are captured by the list of revisions in the virtual
>>>>>>> viewer. I have a document at this juncture which has 105 revisions as
>>>>>>> per the list and the number seems to be the same as per my manual
>>>>>>> calculation, so I will make around 300 more random revisions to it to
>>>>>>> be able to drive home the disconnect between the revisions manually
>>>>>>> discernible and those automatically listed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Angie,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In order to set key strokes for moving to previous and next
>>>>>>> revisions,
>>>>>>> in word 16, you have to go into file (which is before the home tab
>>>>>>> when you press alt in Word)> options> customize> popular commands>
>>>>>>> review. Then if you press tab, you will be presented with a list from
>>>>>>> which you can choose "previous change/ comment" and "next change/
>>>>>>> comment" respectively. You can set a keystroke for each by pressing
>>>>>>> tab and entering the keystroke in the appropriate field. I have set
>>>>>>> them as alt+left arrow for previous and alt+ right arrow for next.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, as regards your latest email, 2 solutions which might help you
>>>>>>> are:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. copy-pasting a document with track changes turned on into a new
>>>>>>> document. This results in all the changes being automatically
>>>>>>> accepted.
>>>>>>> 2. In Word 16, go to review> tracking> display for review> no mark-up
>>>>>>> to see how the document would look if all changes were accepted.
>>>>>>> Please see for more information:
>>> https://support.office.com/en-us/article/track-changes-in-word-197ba630-0f5f
>>> -4a8e-9a77-3712475e806a
>>>>>>> Best,
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>>>>>>>> On 19/12/2018, Angela Matney via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I wanted to supplement this thread with an example from this
>>>>>>>> afternoon.
>>>>>>>> I've
>>>>>>>> been tasked with reviewing certain edits to an agreement between our
>>>>>>>> client
>>>>>>>> and a vendor located in Germany. The document contains both English
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> German text, and the bulk of it is presented as a table in MS Word
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> three columns (numbering, English text, and German text) and 242
>>>>>>>> rows.
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> used the JAWS command to list revisions. JAWS seemed to process this
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> few seconds, but ultimately, both JAWS and MS-Word crashed and had
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> restart.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I used the "reject all changes" and "accept all changes" commands in
>>>>>>>> Word
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> produce versions with and without the edits. Unfortunately, I have
>>>>>>>> trouble
>>>>>>>> with the most recent iteration of our document comparison software,
>>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>> though its output is accessible. I sent these two documents to my
>>>>>>>> assistant,
>>>>>>>> who will prepare a blackline for me that does not make use of
>>>>>>>> track-changes.
>>>>>>>> (I could also have asked her to reject and accept the changes to
>>>>>>>> produce
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> baseline documents, but I chose to do that part of it myself.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> While I don't typically deal with documents that have text in more
>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>> language, or documents that are almost completely in tabular format,
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> not the first time, and it won't be the last. Reliable support for
>>>>>>>> track-changes in complex documents would be a game-changer for me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Angie
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 10:44 AM
>>>>>>>> To: Angela Matney <amatney at loeb.com>
>>>>>>>> Cc: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>;
>>>>>>>> slabarre at labarrelaw.com;
>>>>>>>> tim at timeldermusic.com
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Update on Jaws and Track Changes
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This email originated from outside of Loeb's Network.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OK, this is great.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Scott, let me know if you have trouble following all of this if you
>>>>>>>> are planning to outline in the letter our various issues with Jaws.
>>>>>>>> As I see it, the problem is that Jaws ostensibly provides two ways
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> obtaining track change info.  Both are woefully inaccurate and
>>>>>>>> inadequate.  It'd be fine with me if they scrapped one or the other
>>>>>>>> method, so long as **one**  of them worked reliably.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rahul, I'd love it if you could generate a document, as I have a
>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>> busy few weeks coming up (which, incidentally, will involve many,
>>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>> trackchanges. Ha!). If you are done with finals, perhaps you could
>>>>>>>> generate a doc and then angie and I could test it as well to see
>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>> we come up with.  It'd be great if someone with Office 365 could hop
>>>>>>>> on this as well, so that FS can't respond by saying "we're putting
>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>> our efforts into making Office 365 work properly, and it's too bad
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> the rest of you."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Angie, perhaps under a different thread heading, you could let us
>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>> how you use comparison software as a work-around to some of this.  I
>>>>>>>> have access to workshare compare, for instance, and if you have ways
>>>>>>>> of using that to alleviate some of this headache, I'd love to hear
>>>>>>>> them.  And perhaps in the short-term, we could ask for that program
>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>> an accommodation (yes, yes, I know this isn't ideal, but we also
>>>>>>>> must
>>>>>>>> get our work done).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lastly, Rahul, I'll write you off-list about your PDF issues so that
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> can be in touch with FS.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks, everyone! This is the teamwork I love so much that the NFB
>>>>>>>> provides. Anyone else with input, please voice your opinions.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Laura
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/18, Angela Matney <amatney at loeb.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Laura,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have had similar experiences. JAWS often reads both the original
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> revised text and fails to announce some revisions. I have problems
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> reliably announcing comments as well. I'm able to use our document
>>>>>>>>> comparison software as a work-around some of the time, but there
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>>> situations where being able to use track-changes would be helpful,
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>> software doesn't help with the comments issue.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Frankly, I wish that JAWS would not try to "interpret"
>>>>>>>>> track-changes
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> extent it does. I think I could be more efficient if it would just
>>>>>>>>> read
>>>>>>>>> changes in the font, attribute and color and let me figure things
>>>>>>>>> out.
>>>>>>>>> We
>>>>>>>>> can produce documents like this with our document management
>>>>>>>>> software.
>>>>>>>>> When
>>>>>>>>> JAWS tells me that something is blue and double-underlined, for
>>>>>>>>> example,
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> recognize it as an insertion.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you would like some help generating a file with lots of
>>>>>>>>> revisions,
>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>> you'd like me to test something you generate, let me know.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Angie
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Angela Matney, CIPP/US
>>>>>>>>> Attorney at Law
>>>>>>>>> Admitted only in Virginia
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 901 New York Avenue NW, Suite 300 East | Washington, DC 20001
>>>>>>>>> Direct Dial: 202.618.5038 | Fax: 202.403.3407 | E-mail:
>>>>>>>>> amatney at loeb.com
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>>>>>>>>> Francisco | Beijing | Hong Kong | www.loeb.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Laura
>>>>>>>>> Wolk
>>>>>>>>> via
>>>>>>>>> BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 8:13 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: slabarre at labarrelaw.com
>>>>>>>>> Cc: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com>; tim at timeldermusic.com; Blind
>>>>>>>>> Law
>>>>>>>>> Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Update on Jaws and Track Changes
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This email originated from outside of Loeb's Network.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Scott,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I appreciate this so much.  Please let me know if you'd like any
>>>>>>>>> assistance.  Regarding what to put in the letter, do other people
>>>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>>>> have the experience, as I do, that Jaws will read both the original
>>>>>>>>> and edited text when you're reading through a document?  This
>>>>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>>>>> used to happen to me, but now it does.  I'm using Office 2016,
>>>>>>>>> Windows
>>>>>>>>> 10, and hte latest version of Jaws.  Additionally, I find that Jaws
>>>>>>>>> doesn't always announce "revision" when it detects track changes.
>>>>>>>>> Can
>>>>>>>>> others confirm?  This has the end result that relying on the file's
>>>>>>>>> contents rather than the generated list also does not give the user
>>>>>>>>> accurate information unless he engages in rather cumbersome
>>>>>>>>> character-by-character analysis.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For the record, I did a bit more poking around on my file.  I tried
>>>>>>>>> hitting ctrl+end as Rahul suggested, and that actually turned out
>>>>>>>>> fewer revisions.  The list also only went to page 9 of a 25-page
>>>>>>>>> document.  It gave me 154 revisions, when there were probably
>>>>>>>>> closer
>>>>>>>>> to 400, and of course, as always, absolutely no info from
>>>>>>>>> footnotes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If no one else is able to assist, I will attempt to generate a file
>>>>>>>>> with a few hundred track changes for FS to work with.  Perhaps this
>>>>>>>>> could accompany the NABL letter.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Laura
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 12/18/18, Scott C. LaBarre <slabarre at labarrelaw.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hello everyone, I've been following this thread with great
>>>>>>>>>> interest
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> am
>>>>>>>>>> going to work on a letter from the National Association of Blind
>>>>>>>>>> Lawyers
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> VFO about this issue and will likely also write MicroSoft.  Let me
>>>>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>>>>> take
>>>>>>>>>> this moment to wish all of you the very best  of this holiday
>>>>>>>>>> season.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Tim
>>>>>>>>>> Elder
>>>>>>>>>> via
>>>>>>>>>> BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 5:01 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: 'Laura Wolk' <laura.wolk at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Cc: tim at timeldermusic.com; 'Blind Law Mailing List'
>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Update on Jaws and Track Changes
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Understood.  I forwarded this to a contact at Microsoft to see if
>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>> do anything while we wait on whatever the developer of JAWS is
>>>>>>>>>> calling
>>>>>>>>>> itself these days.  I've also been slowly learning NVDA to
>>>>>>>>>> diversify
>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>> technology tools.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 6:25 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: tim at timeldermusic.com
>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Update on Jaws and Track Changes
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nope. Not an option. And though 2010 didn't crash nearly as much
>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> newer versions, it still couldn't handle documents with more than
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> hundred
>>>>>>>>>> or so revisions. Which, you know, is basically every round of
>>>>>>>>>> editing
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> brief or large filing of any kind. Using 2010 was my work-around
>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>> 6
>>>>>>>>>> years. But I'm really getting fed up. It'd be great if we all
>>>>>>>>>> colectively
>>>>>>>>>> could put pressure on Jaws to actually give us the tools we need
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> succeed
>>>>>>>>>> and be on equal footing with our peers.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 17, 2018, at 8:05 PM, <tim at timeldermusic.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> <tim at timeldermusic.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Track changes in newly created Word documents still work reliably
>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> Office 2010 if using an older machine for this kind of task is an
>>>>>>>>>> option.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2018 11:22 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [blindlaw] Update on Jaws and Track Changes
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm providing an update to this topic, as it generated a lot of
>>>>>>>>>>> traffic
>>>>>>>>>> and I'd love to spare another lawyer the risk of relying on this
>>>>>>>>>> $1,000
>>>>>>>>>> disappointment to his professional detriment.
>>>>>>>>>>> Jaws still does not announce the correct number of revisions.
>>>>>>>>>>> Instead, after taking up to 30 or 45 seconds sometimes, it will
>>>>>>>>>>> announce a
>>>>>>>>>> much larger number that still isn't always accurate.  This is
>>>>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>>>>> worse
>>>>>>>>>> than when it simply said there were no revisions to display, since
>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>> knew that was incorrect.  now it gives the false sense of security
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>> have, in fact, looked at every revision when there could be a
>>>>>>>>>> hundred
>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>> that are not displaying that you haven't reviewed.  note that
>>>>>>>>>> though
>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>> isn't a terrible inconvenience when you are integrating all
>>>>>>>>>> changes
>>>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>> draft from only one document, it is a huge problem if you are
>>>>>>>>>> receiving
>>>>>>>>>> multiple streams of edits from multiple sources that you are
>>>>>>>>>> trying
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> accept/reject and then compile into one final draft.  So be
>>>>>>>>>> forewarned,
>>>>>>>>>> Jaws
>>>>>>>>>> is sstill failing abysmally at providing us with the elementary
>>>>>>>>>> tools
>>>>>>>>>> needed
>>>>>>>>>> in 2018 to maintain "Job access."
>>>>>>>>>>
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