[blindlaw] Update on Jaws and Track Changes

Sun Dec 23 23:20:21 UTC 2018

I don't remember now whether Jaws read both the original and edited version
of the document. I'll have to look out for that the next time I'm editing
something. But I do recall that it did not announce "revisions."

Deepinder K. Goraya, ESQ.

-----Original Message-----
From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Laura Wolk
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Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 8:13 AM
To: slabarre at labarrelaw.com
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Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Update on Jaws and Track Changes

Scott,

I appreciate this so much.  Please let me know if you'd like any assistance.
Regarding what to put in the letter, do other people also have the
experience, as I do, that Jaws will read both the original and edited text
when you're reading through a document?  This didn't used to happen to me,
but now it does.  I'm using Office 2016, Windows 10, and hte latest version
of Jaws.  Additionally, I find that Jaws doesn't always announce "revision"
when it detects track changes.  Can others confirm?  This has the end result
that relying on the file's contents rather than the generated list also does
not give the user accurate information unless he engages in rather
cumbersome character-by-character analysis.

For the record, I did a bit more poking around on my file.  I tried hitting
ctrl+end as Rahul suggested, and that actually turned out fewer revisions.
The list also only went to page 9 of a 25-page document.  It gave me 154
revisions, when there were probably closer to 400, and of course, as always,
absolutely no info from footnotes.

If no one else is able to assist, I will attempt to generate a file with a
few hundred track changes for FS to work with.  Perhaps this could accompany
the NABL letter.

Laura

On 12/18/18, Scott C. LaBarre <slabarre at labarrelaw.com> wrote:
> Hello everyone, I've been following this thread with great interest 
> and I am going to work on a letter from the National Association of 
> Blind Lawyers to VFO about this issue and will likely also write 
> MicroSoft.  Let me also take this moment to wish all of you the very 
> best  of this holiday season.
>
> Best,
> Scott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Tim Elder 
> via BlindLaw
> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 5:01 PM
> To: 'Laura Wolk' <laura.wolk at gmail.com>
> Cc: tim at timeldermusic.com; 'Blind Law Mailing List' 
> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Update on Jaws and Track Changes
>
> Understood.  I forwarded this to a contact at Microsoft to see if they 
> could do anything while we wait on whatever the developer of JAWS is 
> calling itself these days.  I've also been slowly learning NVDA to 
> diversify my technology tools.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 6:25 PM
> To: tim at timeldermusic.com
> Cc: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Update on Jaws and Track Changes
>
> Nope. Not an option. And though 2010 didn't crash nearly as much as 
> the newer versions, it still couldn't handle documents with more than 
> a hundred or so revisions. Which, you know, is basically every round 
> of editing a brief or large filing of any kind. Using 2010 was my 
> work-around for 6 years. But I'm really getting fed up. It'd be great 
> if we all colectively could put pressure on Jaws to actually give us 
> the tools we need to succeed and be on equal footing with our peers.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 17, 2018, at 8:05 PM, <tim at timeldermusic.com>
> <tim at timeldermusic.com> wrote:
>>
>> Track changes in newly created Word documents still work reliably in
> Office 2010 if using an older machine for this kind of task is an option.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2018 11:22 AM
>> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [blindlaw] Update on Jaws and Track Changes
>>
>> I'm providing an update to this topic, as it generated a lot of 
>> traffic
> and I'd love to spare another lawyer the risk of relying on this 
> $1,000 disappointment to his professional detriment.
>>
>> Jaws still does not announce the correct number of revisions.
>> Instead, after taking up to 30 or 45 seconds sometimes, it will 
>> announce a
> much larger number that still isn't always accurate.  This is actually 
> worse than when it simply said there were no revisions to display, 
> since we all knew that was incorrect.  now it gives the false sense of 
> security that you have, in fact, looked at every revision when there 
> could be a hundred more that are not displaying that you haven't 
> reviewed.  note that though this isn't a terrible inconvenience when 
> you are integrating all changes into one draft from only one document, 
> it is a huge problem if you are receiving multiple streams of edits 
> from multiple sources that you are trying to accept/reject and then 
> compile into one final draft.  So be forewarned, Jaws is sstill 
> failing abysmally at providing us with the elementary tools needed in 
> 2018 to maintain "Job access."
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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