[blindlaw] Seeking guidance

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Thu Dec 27 01:45:46 UTC 2018


Everyone has brought up some very interesting points.  Like James, I would be transitioning from the academic arena.  The academic field has changed greatly since i began my career and not necessarily for the better.  This has caused me to reassess whether I believe I should continue on in this career path or whether I would be better to take my talents in a different direction.  I have a very clear interest in the area of employment and labor law.  I could see myself specializing in employment discrimination.  I could also see myself dabbling in education law.  I have spent close to 15 years working very closely with L & E attorneys in a variety of legal matters and it has sparked my interest in this area.  One of the attorneys that I have worked closely with actually made a career switch much like what I would be doing and has led me to believe that it is in fact possible to do.  However, I don't believe it is good for me to make my decision based upon one person's experiences and thus, the reason I have been following this thread closely.  Finally, as to discrimination....that is something you will find in most career paths and one which I found along the way in my current profession, so that is one thing I can say for certainty that it would not be a deterrent.  Thank you to everyone who has participated in this discussion...your comments have been very insightful.  Nicole


-----Original Message-----
From: Laura Wolk via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com>
Sent: Wed, Dec 26, 2018 6:15 pm
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Seeking guidance

Since Kelby mentioned me, I figured I'd pop in with my two cents,
especially because I fall somewhere between the two of you.

I don't think anyone should go to law school unless he has a  pretty
darn good idea of what, exactly, he plans to do at the end of the day.
Obviously plans can change and life can intervene, but I think that if
you apply to law school thinking "I want to be a lawyer" with nothing
gmore specific than that, or if you go in saying "I could see myself
in government or maybe a small firm or maybe doing civil rights or
maybe, maybe..." you're doing it wrong. I think this largely for the
reasons that Kelby has articulated--it's not worth the debt, time, bad
job prospects, and psychological fatigue of battling discrimination,
especially if one already has gainful employment and is supporting a
family. In short, the J.D. is a professional, practical degree, and a
person should have a professional, practical reason for getting one.
Basically, I don't buy into the "follow your heart" mentality.  no
offense to anyone who has written advocating for that, but I just
disagree.

I also largely do agree that one should not attend law school unless
one gets an offer from at least a top 50 law school but preferably top
25.  There are reasons to deviate from this.  For instance, if the
school you are aiming for places really well in that specific local
area or region, go for it. Duquesne and Pitt law schools, for
instance, can get top ranking students great jobs in Pittsburgh. So if
a person feels committed to being in PGH, they might be a good fit for
a prospective student. Otherwise, probably best to save your time and
money.

I actually deviated from this presumption myself. Notre Dame moves in
and out of the top 25 for a number of reasons (many of which,
according to my totally biased opinion, reflect how inaccurate the
ranking system is). It was a hard decision, but I turned down better
financial packages from more highly ranked schools because receiving
Catholic formation alongside my legal education was extremely
important to me, and I wanted to learn from folks who view originalism
and textualism as legitimate modes of interpretation instead of
something to laugh away in a footnote. It was one of the best
decisions I ever made, but if I had just picked the most highly ranked
place I got into because I had only a broad sense of what I wanted to
do with the law instead of a better sense of my specific vocation, I
would never have ended up beginning my career in such a blessed way.

Lastly, as to James point, so much of starting one's legal career is
about who you know, disabled or otherwise. I'd be happy to speak more
about my experiences on this specific topic off-list, but here all I
will say is that, depending on one's specific goals and desires,
having a team of people in your corner isn't just helpful, it's 100%
necessary.

Laura

On 12/26/18, Luis Mendez via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Good evening:
>
> An MPA will certainly enable you to obtain public sector employment at a
> fairly high level of compensation. An MPA plus  successful job experience
> may also facilitate, though not guarantee, opportunities for promotion,
> including promotion to high level appointed executive positions.  A law
> degree might, but would not necessarily  enhance those opportunities.
> However, a law degree  could open opportunities for legal employment in
> either the public or private sector, including enhancing  opportunities to
> provide policy and legislative consulting services. Although I practiced
> law
> in the public sector, my MPA proved helpful in assisting my employer to
> address office management issues and managing the work of consultants and
> other contractors. If I can be of further help please don't hesitate to
> contact me.
>
> Luis
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Maura Kutnyak via
> BlindLaw
> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 11:45 AM
> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Maura Kutnyak <maurakutnyak at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Seeking guidance
>
> Where to start?
>     First, I thank you all for taking time to supply thoughtful
> responses.  In addition too the many possible stumbling blocks outlined, I
> suffer from a large measure of ambivalence.  Presumably the only way to
> know
> for sure if I want to be a lawyer is to undertake and complete the process.
> What follows will be largely autobiographical and likely too long.  My
> gratitude to those who devote time to reading.
>
>     At the beginning of December on my 36 birthday I quit a call center
> job at the nonprofit which supplies services to the blind in western NY.  I
> was employed there from the age of 19 in essentially the same position.
> What I want out of law school and life in general is to be situated in
> employment which is stimulating, has opportunity for upward mobility and
> pays a wage commensurate with my ability.  I believe that kind of work will
> never be supplied by agencies for the blind which hold so many of us
> captive.
>
>     I plan to apply to one and only one school.  Because that is the
> precise number of law schools which are at arms length.  Because I have
> young children I am not willing to bounce around in pursuit of this
> questionable goal.
>
>     I am closing in on having attained masters level education with no
> student debt.  This is thanks to the state agency and its support.  That
> said, I am not terrified of the prospect of loans.  We own a home and have
> other foundations laid.
>
>     Based on almost no firsthand information, I do not want to work at a
> firm.  I am completing my masters in public administration so the hope is
> that a JD. would support employment in government at a reasonably high
> level
> to start.  So a pivot point for me is, would the law degree get me closer
> to
> the wage and policy oriented type of work in which I am interested?  Or,
> would diving right into civil service exams and a low level position
> ultimately be a faster path to meaningful work?  Either way once I finish
> this masters I will be committing to at least full time work.  Directly in
> the bureaucracy or in the hallowed halls of UB law school.  By the way, its
> a comfort to know that UB is in good company accepting the GRE.
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Maura
> On Dec 26, 2018, at 10:05 AM, James T. Fetter via BlindLaw
> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> I think this question has been framed the wrong way. The real question
>> is,
> or should be, do you want to become a lawyer? If so, then law school is the
> only means to that end, , for better or worse.
>>
>> A few points:
>>
>> 1. Law school is expensive; no doubt about that. But there are ways to
> mitigate that expense: scholarships, loan repayment assistance programs for
> people with public interest jobs, etc. I went into the application process
> knowing that I did not want to pay a dime in tuition.  I got an LSAT score
> that was good enough but nothing to write home about and landed a full
> tuition scholarship to Ohio State--a bit below my desired ranking cutoff
> but
> good for me for a variety of other reasons. So I went and have no regrets,
> albeit a bit less hair than I did before starting.
>>
>> 2. The LSAT is hard. Sure it is, but it is more than possible to do well
> with self-study using prep materials. The only problem is the games
> section,
> for which there are no accessible study aids--at least not to my knowledge.
>>
>> 3. Law school is a huge time suck. Sure it is, as is grad school, as is
> just about every other intense form of career preparation.
>>
>> 4. The legal job market is terrible. It's not great, but it is a ton
> better than the academic job market. Take my word for it.
>>
>> 5. Only lower-tier schools accept the GRE. Well, no, since Harvard now
> accepts the GRE.
>>
>> 6. There's no point in going to law school unless you are in the T20.
> Again no, because plenty of law grads outside the T20, and even  outside of
> tier 1 schools, get jobs. The real problem is, and continues to be,
> employment discrimination. I finished in the top 10% of my class at Ohio
> State, was on law review, and checked all the other boxes that big firms
> like. Guess how many big firms in Ohio wanted me? That would be zero. But I
> landed a job at a great firm, and although I don't like talking salary,
> let's say it's higher than $35k.
>>
>> 7. Law school is a scam. Again, not really, at least not unless you're
> looking at the huge diploma mills with terrible job placement numbers.
> Whatever else you do, look at your desired school's job placement numbers,
> NALP tracks these. If they're too low for you, then write  that school off
> and move on.
>>
>> On 12/25/2018 5:35 PM, Kelby Carlson via BlindLaw wrote:
>>> I am going to be the contrarian here and say that, absent some very
>>> specific circumstances, you probably should not go to law school. I
>>> will explain why at some length.
>>>
>>> First, law school is extremely expensive. We are talking at least
>>> $40,000 per year, and considerably more than that if you want to
>>> attend a good school (which you do, as I'll get to in a moment.)
>>> There are scholarships, of course, but they are competitive and there
>>> aren't that many. If you are planning on being an evening student,
>>> you can add another year of tuition to your costs. You may be able to
>>> get a state agency to pay for some of the education. I am not sure
>>> how your vocational rehabilitation handles career transitions like
>>> the one you envision. It is still likely, however, that you will be
>>> taking  on a considerable amount of debt. This debt is probably going
>>> to be very difficult to pay off unless you get an extremely high-paying
> job.
>>>
>>> Let's talk about law school a little more specifically. You were
>>> asking whether or not you should take the GRE or the LSAT. I am not
>>> familiar with the law schools that accept GRE schools, but I suspect
>>> they are in the minority. THe schools that will give you the best
>>> chance at a good job will almost certainly want an LSAT score, and
>>> your chances of getting a scholarship are considerably higher with
>>> one. The LSAT is a demanding test. Believe me when I say that
>>> self-study is probably not a good idea, and considerable study is
>>> required. (I did not take a course and am positive my score suffered
>>> for it.) As was stated above, the LSAC is miserly with accommodations
>>> even after the 2015 consent decree requiring them to grant more and
>>> better accommodations to those with disabilities. (I can say this
>>> with some confidence as I just took the MPRE, which is administered
>>> by the
>>> LSAC.) So be prepared to pay a decent amount for a prep course, to
>>> study a lot (and to learn nothing of relevance), and to spend several
>>> months trying to get accommodations.
>>>
>>> If you get a high LSAT score, you have a better chance of getting a
>>> spot at a good law school. If you cannot get into a top 20 law
>>> school, you shouldn't even bother going. (I went to the Columbus
>>> School of Law, which is underrated but still nowhere near the top.)
>>> The top 20 schools are the only ones that give a really, really
>>> strong chance of knabbing a high-paying job or a prestigious
>>> clerkship right after law school. You will want one of those given
>>> the debts you will probably accrue during your studies.
>>>
>>> If you go to law school, you need to realize a number of things.
>>> First of all, you will be getting a three year education that should
>>> probably be two or even one year. You will essentially repeat your
>>> entire first year over again while studying for the bar exam. Second,
>>> all law school exams and some law school papers are graded on a curve.
>>> This means that not only will you need to do very well objectively,
>>> you will need to do better than all of your classmates consistently
>>> over 6 semesters to maintain a high GPA. (If you are thinking about
>>> trying for a 4.0, know that my school's head registrar said that he
>>> has seen only one student ever receive a perfect GPA.) If you are not
>>> in the top 10 percent of your class, finding a high-paying job that
>>> will give you good experience will be extremely difficult unless you
>>> are fabulous at networking.
>>>
>>> Keep in mind also that law school takes up all your time. if you are
>>> an evening student with a full-time job, you will have very limited
>>> time to spend with your family over the next four years if you want
>>> to maintain an extremely high GPA. The material you will be studying
>>> is extremely dry, but you will need to know all of it cold by exams.
>>> Your exams will probably all be closed-book; if they are open-book,
>>> however, they might actually be harder--professors will often up the
>>> difficulty of their exams if they allow you to use the book or the
>>> outline.
>>>
>>> If you want to do law review or journal as an evening student--this
>>> is possible, I know several people who did--you will be devoting even
>>> more time to largely thankless, tedious work for which you will never
>>> be acknowledged. (If spending hours correcting minor grammatical
>>> errors in citations and trying to handle MS Word's abhorrent footnote
>>> interface appeals to you, than journal is definitely for you.)
>>>
>>> So, all in all, law school itself is a tiring, unpleasant experience
>>> that will waste a lot of your time. I am speaking as someone who
>>> really liked his law school and has some very fond memories of it.
>>>
>>> Let's move on to the question of what else you will be doing in law
>>> school. If you do not get internships after your first year during
>>> the summer and probably every semester thereafter, you are dooming
>>> your potential in the job market. Much like scholarships, internships
>>> are extremely competitive but absolutely necessary if you are going
>>> to get the most out of your legal education. You will need to find an
>>> internship that will actually give you meaningful work, which is
>>> harder than it sounds. You will also probably want to find one that
>>> pays, which is extremely difficult. The best kind of internship is a
>>> summer associate position between your second and third years of
>>> school, but this is a full-time position that will be harder to
>>> arrange if you are an evening students. Once again, if you aren't
>>> extremely highly ranked in your class your chances are low.
>>>
>>> Let's say that you don't manage to grab a lot of paying internships,
>>> but you do get several government internships and maintain decent
>>> grades throughout law school (as I did). In your third year you will
>>> then begin applying for jobs and judicial clerkships. You will
>>> probably send out hundreds of applications and get responses from
>>> almost no one. If you want to clerk with a federal judge, you will
>>> have already begun applying your second year of law school because
>>> most federal judges are looking two years out. Much like prestigious
>>> firm jobs, federal clerkships are highly coveted because of their
>>> resume-building potential and you will be extremely lucky to get one.
>>> Even state clerkships will be challenging to obtain; hundreds of law
>>> students will be applying for each one. If you are lucky you will
>>> perhaps get around ten interviews. If you are extremely lucky you
>>> will get offered a job by more than one employer. However, unless you
>>> have managed to obtain a high-paying job at a large firm your
>>> dividends will not be large. I will give you my own example: by the
>>> time I had obtained employment out of law school it was as an
>>> attorney in a very rural county making $35,000 a year. And you know
>>> what? I was ecstatic when I received the offer, even though I would
>>> be making $5,000 less a year than my wife who works as a nanny.
>>>
>>> So, you need to ask yourself several questions. First, can you get
>>> into a top 20 law school? Second, what kind of law will you practice?
>>> What makes you particularly well-equipped to do so? If you cannot
>>> answer this question, then you will not be able to effectively plan
>>> your career during law school. Third, are you willing to sacrifice
>>> the time and financial rewards you could have received, and incur a
>>> potentially large amount of debt? Fourth, can you confidently say
>>> that you can maintain a consistently high GPA at a prestigious school
>>> and procure good internships (which may not pay) every semester of
>>> law school? If your answer to any of those questions is no, you
>>> should not go.
>>>
>>> In my opinion, law school is worth it for almost no one and is
>>> basically a scam. The legal job market is terrible, but law schools
>>> will not make this clear to you because they are desperate to
>>> maintain their student body (many of them expanded pre-recession and
>>> are trying to recover.) If you do get a job, it will probably not pay
>>> well, and it it does you may very well end up hating it, because the
>>> legal profession is nothing like how it is portrayed on television.
>>> This video is essentially accurate:
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MM7K0LtkAvs
>>>
>>> I hate to be the one to rain on everyone's parade. I'm sure there
>>> will be many people who disagree with me here, some perhaps
>>> justifiably (Laura Wook, a member of this list, clerks for Clarence
>>> Thomas.) But I feel that I needed to state these things because a lot
>>> of people will not.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Kelby Carlson
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/24/18, Nicole Poston via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> All,This is a very interesting thread for me.  In some ways, I am
>>>> not like Maura....I do not have children of my own.  However, I have
>>>> in the last few years been encouraged by numerous individuals in
>>>> practically every facet of my life to consider the idea of going to
>>>> law school.  Like Maura, I would be considered a non-traditional
>>>> student and I do not have any interest in working at some big NYC
>>>> law firm...my expectations are more reasonable.  I am currently in
>>>> my 17th year of my current professional career and have a masters
>>>> degree I finished like 10 years ago. I'm required in my current
>>>> profession to get at least 6 credit hours every 5 years, which I
>>>> have done online...but that has been the extent of my recent
>>>> experiences
> at the collegiate level.  I definitely have an interest in pursuing law but
> the
>>>> idea of leaping into a completely new realm is definitely daunting.  I
>>>> guess one of my nagging questions is.... can some of law school be
>>>> done while still working?  Or does one need to plan on just doing
>>>> law school and putting work aside for those few years?  Any advice
>>>> on this or anything else you might find helpful is welcome and
>>>> appreciated, either on this thread or privately.
>>>> Happy Holidays!Nicole
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Bill Spiry via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: b.s.spiry <b.s.spiry at gmail.com>
>>>> Sent: Mon, Dec 24, 2018 5:46 pm
>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Seeking guidance
>>>>
>>>> Greetings Maura.
>>>>
>>>> I can relate to your itch to go for your J.D. despite what some may
>>>> be telling you are bad odds for success. I took that plunge at the
>>>> age of 48 with an established 22 year professional career already
>>>> behind me, married, couple of teenage kids still at home, and plenty
>>>> of uncertainty. It was Scary as hell, and what my heart was telling
>>>> me to do. I paid a price for it and I do not regret my decision.
>>>>
>>>>  So that is my first advice, take the time to listen carefully to
>>>> your heart on this. You need to do it because it's  what is right
>>>> for you, not for anyone else. And if it is right for you and you
>>>> know it, ignore those who will try to convince you that you'd be
>>>> crazy to do it as someone without sight (including other blind
>>>> lawyers).
>>>>
>>>> for the most part, I agree with the comments and advice from others
>>>> on this list regarding testing and strategy. So know this,  yeah,
>>>> it's going to be damned hard and you're going to hit some walls that
>>>> will be tough to get around/over/through but you probably know if
>>>> you've got the metal for it in you. So go for it if you know it's
>>>> right for you and you believe you've got the metal to find your way
>>>> through some unique challenges. Follow your heart.
>>>>
>>>> My best wishes to you and yours for the holidays and the new year.
>>>>
>>>> Bill
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bill Spiry
>>>> Attorney at Law
>>>> Spiry Law LLC
>>>> (541) 600-3301
>>>> Bill at SpiryLaw.com
>>>> Bill.spiry at gmail.com
>>>>
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>>>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Maura
>>>> Kutnyak via BlindLaw
>>>> Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 7:42 AM
>>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Maura Kutnyak <maurakutnyak at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Seeking guidance
>>>>
>>>> One more thing, having sent this message from your iPhone, did you
>>>> use a separate keyboard or have you found the Braille input useful?
>>>> On Dec 24, 2018, at 9:27 AM, James Fetter via BlindLaw
>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> First of all, I agree with Paul. If this is your dream, go for it.
>>>>> Just
>>>> know that more than a sane amount of work, work, and work, awaits you.
>>>>> As to your questions:
>>>>> 1. Having taken both the GRE and LSAT, I can state with a high
>>>>> level of
>>>> confidence that the GRE does not present half the accommodations
>>>> barriers the LSAT does. The logic games section of the LSAT requires
>>>> either the drawing of diagrams or the use of Excel. There are no
>>>> accessible study aids that teach you how to use Excel to ace this
>>>> section. And at least when I took the LSAT, getting basic
>>>> accommodations from LSAC was like waging a war of attrition. So if
>>>> you don't mind being limited to the programs that accept the GRE, then
> do that and save yourself some pain and suffering.
>>>>> 2. Going to law school after grad school is an interesting
>>>>> transition. All
>>>> of a sudden, you're in a classroom with people ten years
>>>> younger-people who are generally used to studying for high-pressure
>>>> exams and who seem to have an inexhaustible amount of energy. Yet,
>>>> you will have advantages: the ability to think in different ways,
>>>> the ability to write both well and more quickly, etc. You will be
>>>> fine, as long as you don't get sucked into the grades/money dynamic
>>>> (I.e. the idea that the only reason you're there is to get top
>>>> grades so that you can land a job at a NYC law firm). Nothing wrong
>>>> with those goals, but based on your message, they don't seem to be your
> goals.
>>>>> 3. Being blind in law school is like being blind anywhere else.
>>>>> You'll
>>>> need the same auxiliary aids as you would need in grad school. The
>>>> only real difference I found is that, if you're on journal, it can
>>>> be interesting getting accommodations from 3L's (Third-year law
>>>> students) while you're a 2L staff editor. I had to provide a crash
>>>> course on the ADA to 3L's, who thought accommodations were a courtesy
> they could approve or deny at will.
>>>> But I got through it just fine and am now practicing.
>>>>> 4. Re: going through law school as a parent, I can't help much
>>>>> there other
>>>> than to advise finding other parents going through the same thing as
>>>> you are. Most of your fellow students will be in their early 20's
>>>> and still on Tinder. So find other older law students who took a
> "non-traditional" path.
>>>> Though my wife and I do not have kids, my best friends in law school
>>>> were other older students who took non-traditional paths. In fact,
>>>> these friendships, in addition to my wife, kept me sane through what
>>>> would have otherwise been a very frenetic three years.
>>>>> I hope some of this is helpful, and I wish you nothing but the best!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Dec 24, 2018, at 8:45 AM, Maura Kutnyak via BlindLaw
>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Thank you Dr. Harpur.  While maybe not practical, your words ring
> true.
>>>> No one can answer some of my deepest questions other than me, in the
> moment.
>>>> Again, thank you so kindly for taking the time to write.
>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maura Kutnyak
>>>>>> 716-563-9882
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Dec 24, 2018, at 8:10 AM, Paul Harpur via BlindLaw
>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> You never know if you can live your dream until you wake up and
>>>>>>> take the
>>>> plunge.  Go for it!
>>>>>>> I am based in Australia but am also an International
>>>>>>> Distinguished
>>>> Fellow at BBI at Syracuse University.  I will let others give more
>>>> practical advice, but my e-mail is here to encourage you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dr Paul Harpur
>>>>>>> BBus (HRm), LLB (Hons) LLM, PhD, solicitor of the High Court of
>>>>>>> Australia (non-practicing) Fulbright Future Scholar/International
>>>> Distinguished Fellow, Burton Blatt Institute, SU, New York.
>>>>>>> Senior Lecturer
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TC Beirne School of Law
>>>>>>> The University of Queensland
>>>>>>> Brisbane Qld 4072 Australia
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> T +61 7 3365 8864 M +61 417 635 609 E p.harpur at law.uq.edu.au TCB
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>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>> Maura Kutnyak via BlindLaw
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, 24 December 2018 11:05 PM
>>>>>>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Cc: Maura Kutnyak <maurakutnyak at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Subject: [blindlaw] Seeking guidance
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello blind law participants,
>>>>>>>  I am writing with more than a little hesitation and an equal
>>>>>>> amount of
>>>> interest.  If what follows would be better directed else where
>>>> please point the way.
>>>>>>>  I am a blind graduate student in Buffalo NY.  Under the
>>>>>>> influence of a
>>>> few converging forces, a slight interest in law school as a next
>>>> step has grown to a nagging and exciting unshakable desire.  More
>>>> than a few people who have offered consultation as I explore this
>>>> option have pointed me to the collective knowledge of this email list.
>>>>>>>  My questions range from broad ideas such as, How could I
>>>>>>> possibly make
>>>> my way through law school blind and a mother of three?  To, what
>>>> kinds of supports will I need?  Most immediate is the question of
>>>> which entrance test should I take?  I recently learned that The
>>>> University at Buffalo law school started accepting the GRE in
>>>> addition to the LSAT.  I did not have to take the GRE for the MPA
>>>> program in which I am currently studying.  So, I am not sure which test
> is more friendly to the blind.
>>>>>>>  I could go on and on.I will end soon. One additional question
>>>>>>> is, are
>>>> there any recent UB law graduates in this list?  hearing from
>>>> someone who has spent time in that program may be a very helpful start.
>>>>>>>  Thanks to anyone who took the time to read.  I have so many more
>>>> questions but I do not want to clog anyones inbox Too much.  Again,
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>>>>>>> Sincerely,
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