From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Tue Jan 2 19:58:06 2018 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2018 19:58:06 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Q-Law Sher Kung Summer Fellowship - 2018 Tacoma/Pierce County Teamchild Office Message-ID: From: Dana Barnett [mailto:danab at wsba.org] Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 11:37 AM To: Diversity Stakeholders Subject: [diversity-stakeholders] FW: [atj-community] Q-Law Sher Kung Summer Fellowship - 2018 Tacoma/Pierce County Office Please share with your networks, a position with TeamChild From: David Huneryager [mailto:david.huneryager at teamchild.org] Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 9:42 AM To: ATJ Community > Subject: [atj-community] Q-Law Sher Kung Summer Fellowship - 2018 Tacoma/Pierce County Office TeamChild is seeking a full-time Summer Fellow for our Tacoma, WA office. The fellow will work in partnership with Oasis Youth Center and be co-located at Oasis and TeamChild. 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Oregon State University, Office of Equal Opportunity and Access is seeking applicants to serve as Director of Equal Opportunity Investigations. The position directly supervises our Equity Associates (investigators), and oversees the entire investigatory process, including as final sign-off for written findings. The position will also serve as Deputy Title IX Coordinator. We are seeking someone who has some experience supervising, as well as conducting similar investigations. http://jobs.oregonstate.edu/postings/48181 Application closing date is January 14, 2018. Best, Gabe ________________________________ Gabriel Merrell | Director, Access and Affirmative Action Deputy ADA Coordinator Office of Equal Opportunity and Access Oregon State University p: 541.737.3671 http://eoa.oregonstate.edu http://oregonstate.edu/accessibility/ Past-President, Oregon Association on Higher Education and Disability http://orahead.org/ From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Tue Jan 2 23:37:19 2018 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2018 23:37:19 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] King County Bar Association volunteer legal services attorney position Message-ID: From: Janette Scott [mailto:JanetteS at kcba.org] Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2017 12:10 PM Subject: KCBA Job posting for WADA Thanks for speaking with me today. Please find attached the job description (in word & pdf) for the posting on the WADA website. Please let me know if you have any questions. Janette L. 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I specifically would like to know if any of you requested to complete the exam over multiple days and, if so,if your request was granted. Best Wishes for 2018, Michal Sent from Mail for From jim at skamarakas.com Thu Jan 4 19:19:17 2018 From: jim at skamarakas.com (jim at skamarakas.com) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2018 19:19:17 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Bar Exam Accommodations In-Reply-To: <0P210030MNIYI220@ms11p00im-qufv17100101.me.com> References: <0P210030MNIYI220@ms11p00im-qufv17100101.me.com> Message-ID: <73B70CF4-7C33-4201-97CF-AE2524906ADA@skamarakas.com> I started this process this semester for a Spring 2018 graduation and July 2018 exam. Advice I have gotten is to have a very detailed accommodation on file with the school to support your requests to the bar exam. The “take it and fail then ask again” approach discussed over the past years I have read refer to that as one of the issues. If you survived law school without Accommodation A or B, how do you justify it for the bar exam. I have it in my school accommodation only because of this discussions to know to ask for it. The physicians didn’t blink at the request being reasonable. But you have to go to them with forms filled out and knowing what to ask. I’m still a semester and bar prep away from this, so it’s not as helpful as others who will respond with their success stories or road bumps. Bar Prep may push me to delay or take twice. I’m going at this positive and realistic. Best of luck. Happy New Years Jim On Jan 4, 2018, at 1:33 PM, Michal Nowicki via BlindLaw > wrote: Hi Everyone, I hope you all had a wonderful Christmas and a great start to 2018. I am applying for the Illinois Bar Exam, and I would appreciate your input on available accommodations. I specifically would like to know if any of you requested to complete the exam over multiple days and, if so,if your request was granted. Best Wishes for 2018, Michal Sent from Mail for _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jim%40skamarakas.com From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Thu Jan 4 22:48:59 2018 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2018 22:48:59 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Article: Attorneys with disabilities make success accessible, ABA Journal, January 2018 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.abajournal.com/magazine/article/attorney_disability_success_accessible/?utm_source=maestro&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=tech_monthly Attorneys with disabilities make success accessible ABA Journal January 2018 By Anna Marie Kukec Deepinder "Deepa" Goraya of Washington, D.C., loves her work as an advocate fighting legal battles. After all, she had her share of personal battles even before she started to practice law. Goraya was born three months premature.The incubator for her 2½-pound body pumped in too much oxygen, which caused the blood vessels behind her eyes to burst. That led to a lifetime of blindness and exposed her to inequities in the educational system. Her parents fought to keep her in neighborhood schools, while she used technology to translate her textbooks and homework to Braille or voice versions. Goraya achieved high grades and earned a law degree from the University of Michigan. She is now a staff attorney with the Disability Rights Project of the Washington Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights and Urban Affairs. She also helped create the ABA Young Lawyers Division's Disability Rights Committee and is on the board of the National Association of Attorneys with Disabilities. "Attitudes have slowly changed and improved, but we have a way to go," she says. DRIVING INNOVATION Goraya is among a growing number of lawyers with disabilities who have advocated for disability rights in the legal community. They have climbed the ranks to prominent jobs and helped smooth the road for the next generation. In the 50 years since the first disability rights victories were achieved in court, these lawyers have been helped by the passage of the Americans with Disabilities Act, emergence of new technology specifically for them, and a shift in societal attitudes, she says. (For more, see "Action for Access.") In October, Goraya moderated an ABA panel, "Persons with Disabilities: Driving Innovation in the Workplace." The panelists said one in five Americans has a disability, and they discussed how businesses have expanded their recruiting and hiring practices for people with disabilities, who bring unique talents and skills to the fore. Those employees, in turn, help spur new approaches by providing different perspectives and through the adoption of assistive technologies. But despite these advances, there's work to be done. "It is important for law firms and judges in courtrooms to still be educated about the obstacles we face and the attitudinal barriers," Goraya says. "We still need an accessible building, a workable case system, wheelchair accessibility and the use of technology in the courtroom." ADVOCATING FOR EMPLOYEES Nicole Saunders, an assistant state's attorney in Duval County, Florida, is paralyzed from the waist down and uses a wheelchair. She chairs the YLD's Disability Rights Committee. "This has become the right path for me," says Saunders of Jacksonville. "The areas of advocacy and policy make me very passionate. I wanted to work through the law to help bring about change." Saunders says she has not been held back at work. "They are very accommodating. It is a nonissue," Saunders says. "I see my value and try to cultivate that." Saunders is working on a proposal for a program on how employers can accommodate employees who have disabilities. She plans to propose it at the ABA Midyear Meeting next month, with the hope that the YLD leadership will potentially accept it for presentation. It might become a live presentation that has panelists from different fields, or it might be an online CLE program. "A lot of times, employers know the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission laws, but they don't know how to effectively and efficiently implement them," Saunders says. "We want to create inclusion in the workplace, and sometimes employers just don't know where to start." COMMITMENT TO INCLUSION Anuradha "Anne" Gwal, who has a brain tumor and is partially blind, is an assistant general counsel at Exelon in Newark, Delaware, and past president of the South Asian Bar Association of North America. About 13 years ago, she had two surgeries that resulted in tunnel vision, or partial blindness. She remains on medications to continue to treat the tumor. A new type of radiation that pinpoints the exact location to be treated helped save her life. "I had to decide if I wanted to see or I wanted to walk," Gwal says about the surgery. Gwal refers to her disability as invisible because no one can immediately identify it. That's why she openly discusses her condition as part of her leadership roles with the ABA and SABA North America. She is scheduled to appear on an ABA panel next month to talk about her company's inclusion efforts for people who have disabilities. Although her company has been accepting of her medical situation and her partial blindness, Gwal knows other companies, and society in general, have a ways to go. "Companies, law firms and law schools can find a way to help the party deal with the stigma and help them to acclimate to the company culture," Gwal says. "It's all about inclusion, and they will improve by leaps and bounds. Once we understand the disability, we can effect change." Robert Gonzales, chair of the ABA Commission on Disability Rights, says the group has created a pledge for legal employers to sign: Disability Diversity in the Legal Profession: A Pledge for Change. The pledge, which was introduced in 2009 and updated in 2014, asks major businesses, law firms, judges and law schools to commit to hiring people who have disabilities and to treat them with respect and dignity. The employers are provided goals and scores on how well they do. "The pledge has had a dramatic impact on the companies and has given lawyers an opportunity they may not have had otherwise," Gonzales says. The pledge is online at ambar.org/thepledge. Gonzales agrees with Goraya that new technology has had a major impact on lawyers who have disabilities. Many companies and organizations, including the ABA, are upgrading their websites to make them more accessible. Once the ABA website redesign is completed, lawyers with disabilities will be able to participate in webinars and other educational programs more easily. "At the ABA, we're planning to finish the upgrades by mid-2018," Gonzales says. "Then lawyers, whether they're blind or deaf, will more easily be able to access the site like anyone else." But many legal tech companies still have to make their products accessible to attorneys who have disabilities. When the organizers of the ABA Techshow 2016 conducted a survey of vendors, of the 79 respondents, eight could confirm that their products were accessible. With the profession becoming increasingly reliant on technology, unless the status quo changes, attorneys who have disabilities could find themselves cut off from many opportunities. The ABA Techshow 2017 included a workshop to help vendors meet the needs of disabled customers, but none chose to attend. The organizers are planning a series of events in conjunction with the ABA Techshow 2018, which is March 7-10 in Chicago, including an online career fair for lawyers with disabilities. This article was published in the January 2018 issue of the ABA Journal with the title "Making Success Accessible: Attorneys who have disabilities are breaking down barriers in the legal profession." From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Thu Jan 4 23:58:53 2018 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2018 23:58:53 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Press Release: Attorney General Jeff Sessions Rescinds 25 Guidance Documents, Department of Justice, December 21, 2017 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/attorney-general-jeff-sessions-rescinds-25-guidance-documents Attorney General Jeff Sessions Rescinds 25 Guidance Documents Department of Justice Office of Public Affairs December 21, 2017 Today, Attorney General Jeff Sessions announced that, pursuant to Executive Order 13777 and his November memorandum prohibiting certain guidance documents, he is rescinding 25 such documents that were unnecessary, inconsistent with existing law, or otherwise improper. In making the announcement, the Attorney General said: "Last month, I ended the longstanding abuse of issuing rules by simply publishing a letter or posting a web page. Congress has provided for a regulatory process in statute, and we are going to follow it. This is good government and prevents confusing the public with improper and wrong advice." "Therefore, any guidance that is outdated, used to circumvent the regulatory process, or that improperly goes beyond what is provided for in statutes or regulation should not be given effect. That is why today, we are ending 25 examples of improper or unnecessary guidance documents identified by our Regulatory Reform Task Force led by our Associate Attorney General Rachel Brand. We will continue to look for other examples to rescind, and we will uphold the rule of law." In March, President Donald Trump issued Executive Order 13777, which calls for agencies to establish Regulatory Reform Task Forces, chaired by a Regulatory Reform Officer, to identify existing regulations for potential repeal, replacement, or modification. The Department of Justice Task Force, chaired by Associate Attorney General Rachel Brand, began its work in May. On November 17, the Attorney General issued a memorandum prohibiting DOJ components from using guidance documents to circumvent the rulemaking process and directed Associate Attorney General Brand to work with components to identify guidance documents that should be repealed, replaced, or modified. The Task Force has already identified 25 guidance documents for repeal and is continuing its review of existing guidance documents to repeal, replace, or modify. The list of 25 guidance documents that DOJ has withdrawn in 2017 is as follows: 1.ATF Procedure 75-4. 2.Industry Circular 75-10. 3.ATF Ruling 85-3. 4.Industry Circular 85-3. 5.ATF Ruling 2001-1. 6.ATF Ruling 2004-1. 7.Southwest Border Prosecution Initiative Guidelines (2013). 8.Northern Border Prosecution Initiative Guidelines (2013). 9.Juvenile Accountability Incentive Block Grants Program Guidance Manual (2007). 10.Advisory for Recipients of Financial Assistance from the U.S. Department of Justice on Levying Fines and Fees on Juveniles (January 2017). 11.Dear Colleague Letter on Enforcement of Fines and Fees (March 2016). 12.ADA Myths and Facts (1995). 13.Common ADA Problems at Newly Constructed Lodging Facilities (November 1999). 14.Title II Highlights (last updated 2008). 15.Title III Highlights (last updated 2008). 16.Commonly Asked Questions About Service Animals in Places of Business (July 1996). 17.ADA Business Brief: Service Animals (April 2002). 18.Prior Joint Statement of the Department of Justice and the Department of Housing and Urban Development Group Homes, Local Land Use, and the Fair Housing Act (August 18, 1999). 19.Letter to Alain Baudry, Esq., with standards for conducting internal audit in a non-discriminatory fashion (December 4, 2009). 20.Letter to Esmeralda Zendejas on how to determine whether lawful permanent residents are protected against citizenship status discrimination (May 30, 2012). 21.Common ADA Errors and Omissions in New Construction and Alterations (June 1997). 22.Common Questions: Readily Achievable Barrier Removal and Design Details: Van Accessible Parking Spaces (August 1996). 23.Website guidance on bailing-out procedures under section 4(b) and section 5 of the Voting Rights Act (2004). 24.Americans with Disabilities Act Questions and Answers (May 2002). 25.Statement of the Department of Justice on Application of the Integration Mandate of Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act and Olmstead v. L.C. to State and Local Governments' Employment Service Systems for Individuals with Disabilities (October 31, 2016). From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Fri Jan 5 00:00:09 2018 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 00:00:09 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Article: DOJ Nixes All Pending ADA Rulemakings, Including Website Access Rules, Seyfarth Shaw LLP, December 22, 2017 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: https://www.adatitleiii.com/2017/12/doj-nixes-all-pending-ada-rulemakings-including-website-access-rules/ DOJ Nixes All Pending ADA Rulemakings, Including Website Access Rules Seyfarth Shaw LLP December 22, 2017 By: Minh N. Vu Seyfarth Synopsis: The Justice Department withdraws pending rulemakings for accessible websites, furniture and non-fixed equipment. The current Department of Justice's (DOJ) regulatory approach to Title III of the ADA is yet another example of what a difference an election can make. In 2010, the DOJ started the rulemaking process to issue new regulations about the websites of public accommodations and state and local governments, as well as non-fixed equipment and furniture used in public accommodations. In July of this year, the DOJ placed these rulemakings on the "inactive list". On December 26, 2017, these rulemakings will officially be withdrawn. On the web access rules, the DOJ stated that it is "evaluating whether promulgating regulations about the accessibility of Web information and services is necessary and appropriate. Such an evaluation will be informed by additional review of data and further analysis. The Department will continue to assess whether specific technical standards are necessary and appropriate to assist covered entities with complying with the ADA." This is an unfortunate development for the disability community and covered businesses alike. Instead of having clear rules to follow, businesses will have to look to the constantly evolving patchwork of decisions coming out of the courts for guidance. Meanwhile, the number of website accessibility lawsuits continues to surge as businesses scramble to make their websites accessible. With regard to the withdrawal of the rulemaking about non-fixed equipment and furniture, DOJ said that it is "reevaluating whether regulation of the accessibility of non-fixed equipment and furniture is necessary and appropriate." We see far less litigation on this topic although advocacy groups may feel the need to press the litigation agenda more aggressively now that no rules are forthcoming. Businesses are, for the most part, better off without these rules but they need to remember that the absence of technical standards does not necessarily mean there are no obligations under the ADA with regard to these items. Title III of the ADA contains a general non-discrimination mandate and more general rules that still require a public accommodation to ensure access to all its goods, services and benefits, subject to certain defenses. This latest development just confirms what we predicted would happen during this administration, albeit with more finality than we had anticipated. From glnorman15 at hotmail.com Fri Jan 5 13:34:31 2018 From: glnorman15 at hotmail.com (GL Norman) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 13:34:31 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] BlindLaw Digest, Vol 164, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Save the Date Transatlantic Reflections: The Promise and Realities of Human Rights for All The German Marshall Fund of the United States (GMF) will host a discussion with American Marshall Memorial Fellows Gary C. Norman, Esq. L.L.M. (MMF ‘08) and Kerry Thompson, Ed.M. (MMF ‘14) in recognition of the 70th anniversary of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the 10th Anniversary of the United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities. GMF’s distinguished alumni will reflect on human rights progress since 1948 and the future of human rights in today’s global community. Leaders from diverse human rights initiatives will join this discussion to elevate human rights on the transatlantic agenda. A detailed agenda will be shared closer to the date.  January 19, 2018, at the German Marshall Fund of the U.S. 1744 R. Street N.W.  Join us for networking and light fare from 2:00pm – 2:30pm  Program runs 2:30 pm – 5:00pm, followed by wine and appetizers Panelists include:  Charlotte McClain Nhlapo, World Bank  Charlie Kellett, U.S. Department of State  Ann Cody, U.S. Department of State  Katherine Guernsey, American University and disability rights lawyer  Sheila Durant, Esq. This discussion is the first Gary Norman and Kerry Thompson will co-facilitate during their yearlong awareness-raising series on the transatlantic partnership and emerging voices of global citizens with disabilities. The series is in fulfillment of their alumni action initiative, “Globally Engaging Disability - Including Each, Strengthening All.” Gary C. Norman, Esq. L.L.M. Being this uncommonly heard person with a disability on the transatlantic stage with his third guide dog, Gary leads at the intersection of law practice, personal connectivity because of the power of partnership, and shared responsibility about disability. He has extensive experience as a dispute resolution oriented attorney, always hoping to broker people together. He serves on rosters as an arbitrator and as a mediator. Kerry M. Thompson, Ed.M. Kerry has been a lifelong activist for people with disabilities beginning as a self-advocate as a DeafBlind individual. She is the Executive Director of Silent Rhythms, Inc., dedicated to achieving inclusion in the arts for people of all abilities. She co-created Text4Deaf, a communication tool to bridge the communication gap between the Deaf and Hearing communities in healthcare. Since 2008, she has worked to advance human rights through United Nations Conventions and the Sustainable Development Goals as part of her work with the Disability Rights Fund. She is the co-author for Human Rights and Adolescence (2014. University of Pennsylvania Press) and has written several blogs including “Hurricanes in my Backyard” and “DeafBlindness: The Lefts Behinds in a Leave No One Behind Era.” She completed a Master’s degree from Harvard University with a focus on international law and human rights. We look forward to welcoming you. Let us know if you require accommodations. There is an accessible entrance, requiring advance notice. 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Today's Topics: 1. Bar Exam Accommodations (Michal Nowicki) 2. Re: Bar Exam Accommodations (jim at skamarakas.com) 3. Article: Attorneys with disabilities make success accessible, ABA Journal, January 2018 (Nightingale, Noel) 4. Press Release: Attorney General Jeff Sessions Rescinds 25 Guidance Documents, Department of Justice, December 21, 2017 (Nightingale, Noel) 5. Article: DOJ Nixes All Pending ADA Rulemakings, Including Website Access Rules, Seyfarth Shaw LLP, December 22, 2017 (Nightingale, Noel) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2018 12:32:59 -0600 From: Michal Nowicki To: Blind Law Mailing List Subject: [blindlaw] Bar Exam Accommodations Message-ID: <0P210030MNIYI220 at ms11p00im-qufv17100101.me.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi Everyone, I hope you all had a wonderful Christmas and a great start to 2018. I am applying for the Illinois Bar Exam, and I would appreciate your input on available accommodations. I specifically would like to know if any of you requested to complete the exam over multiple days and, if so,if your request was granted. Best Wishes for 2018, Michal Sent from Mail for ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2018 19:19:17 +0000 From: "jim at skamarakas.com" To: Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Bar Exam Accommodations Message-ID: <73B70CF4-7C33-4201-97CF-AE2524906ADA at skamarakas.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I started this process this semester for a Spring 2018 graduation and July 2018 exam. Advice I have gotten is to have a very detailed accommodation on file with the school to support your requests to the bar exam. The ?take it and fail then ask again? approach discussed over the past years I have read refer to that as one of the issues. If you survived law school without Accommodation A or B, how do you justify it for the bar exam. I have it in my school accommodation only because of this discussions to know to ask for it. The physicians didn?t blink at the request being reasonable. But you have to go to them with forms filled out and knowing what to ask. I?m still a semester and bar prep away from this, so it?s not as helpful as others who will respond with their success stories or road bumps. Bar Prep may push me to delay or take twice. I?m going at this positive and realistic. Best of luck. Happy New Years Jim On Jan 4, 2018, at 1:33 PM, Michal Nowicki via BlindLaw > wrote: Hi Everyone, I hope you all had a wonderful Christmas and a great start to 2018. I am applying for the Illinois Bar Exam, and I would appreciate your input on available accommodations. I specifically would like to know if any of you requested to complete the exam over multiple days and, if so,if your request was granted. Best Wishes for 2018, Michal Sent from Mail for _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fblindlaw_nfbnet.org&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce74d103cfb5a496b875d08d55433f00b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636507504403479635&sdata=K90QSJZSZX1%2Fkc%2BYd96jCchypaUOoO5xAI8JHTeplp0%3D&reserved=0 To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Fblindlaw_nfbnet.org%2Fjim%2540skamarakas.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce74d103cfb5a496b875d08d55433f00b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636507504403479635&sdata=4HecHzzrBhh6vyJyw4ZsA67Y9%2BOlrHvBByS2hXleyeg%3D&reserved=0 ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2018 22:48:59 +0000 From: "Nightingale, Noel" To: "blindlaw at nfbnet.org" Subject: [blindlaw] Article: Attorneys with disabilities make success accessible, ABA Journal, January 2018 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.abajournal.com%2Fmagazine%2Farticle%2Fattorney_disability_success_accessible%2F%3Futm_source%3Dmaestro%26utm_medium%3Demail%26utm_campaign%3Dtech_monthly&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce74d103cfb5a496b875d08d55433f00b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636507504403479635&sdata=NEMLq%2FGQ1bz4DEi2%2F5CtAgnED8%2BzY1zGV2RymWYKd%2FM%3D&reserved=0 Attorneys with disabilities make success accessible ABA Journal January 2018 By Anna Marie Kukec Deepinder "Deepa" Goraya of Washington, D.C., loves her work as an advocate fighting legal battles. After all, she had her share of personal battles even before she started to practice law. Goraya was born three months premature.The incubator for her 2?-pound body pumped in too much oxygen, which caused the blood vessels behind her eyes to burst. That led to a lifetime of blindness and exposed her to inequities in the educational system. Her parents fought to keep her in neighborhood schools, while she used technology to translate her textbooks and homework to Braille or voice versions. Goraya achieved high grades and earned a law degree from the University of Michigan. She is now a staff attorney with the Disability Rights Project of the Washington Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights and Urban Affairs. She also helped create the ABA Young Lawyers Division's Disability Rights Committee and is on the board of the National Association of Attorneys with Disabilities. "Attitudes have slowly changed and improved, but we have a way to go," she says. DRIVING INNOVATION Goraya is among a growing number of lawyers with disabilities who have advocated for disability rights in the legal community. They have climbed the ranks to prominent jobs and helped smooth the road for the next generation. In the 50 years since the first disability rights victories were achieved in court, these lawyers have been helped by the passage of the Americans with Disabilities Act, emergence of new technology specifically for them, and a shift in societal attitudes, she says. (For more, see "Action for Access.") In October, Goraya moderated an ABA panel, "Persons with Disabilities: Driving Innovation in the Workplace." The panelists said one in five Americans has a disability, and they discussed how businesses have expanded their recruiting and hiring practices for people with disabilities, who bring unique talents and skills to the fore. Those employees, in turn, help spur new approaches by providing different perspectives and through the adoption of assistive technologies. But despite these advances, there's work to be done. "It is important for law firms and judges in courtrooms to still be educated about the obstacles we face and the attitudinal barriers," Goraya says. "We still need an accessible building, a workable case system, wheelchair accessibility and the use of technology in the courtroom." ADVOCATING FOR EMPLOYEES Nicole Saunders, an assistant state's attorney in Duval County, Florida, is paralyzed from the waist down and uses a wheelchair. She chairs the YLD's Disability Rights Committee. "This has become the right path for me," says Saunders of Jacksonville. "The areas of advocacy and policy make me very passionate. I wanted to work through the law to help bring about change." Saunders says she has not been held back at work. "They are very accommodating. It is a nonissue," Saunders says. "I see my value and try to cultivate that." Saunders is working on a proposal for a program on how employers can accommodate employees who have disabilities. She plans to propose it at the ABA Midyear Meeting next month, with the hope that the YLD leadership will potentially accept it for presentation. It might become a live presentation that has panelists from different fields, or it might be an online CLE program. "A lot of times, employers know the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission laws, but they don't know how to effectively and efficiently implement them," Saunders says. "We want to create inclusion in the workplace, and sometimes employers just don't know where to start." COMMITMENT TO INCLUSION Anuradha "Anne" Gwal, who has a brain tumor and is partially blind, is an assistant general counsel at Exelon in Newark, Delaware, and past president of the South Asian Bar Association of North America. About 13 years ago, she had two surgeries that resulted in tunnel vision, or partial blindness. She remains on medications to continue to treat the tumor. A new type of radiation that pinpoints the exact location to be treated helped save her life. "I had to decide if I wanted to see or I wanted to walk," Gwal says about the surgery. Gwal refers to her disability as invisible because no one can immediately identify it. That's why she openly discusses her condition as part of her leadership roles with the ABA and SABA North America. She is scheduled to appear on an ABA panel next month to talk about her company's inclusion efforts for people who have disabilities. Although her company has been accepting of her medical situation and her partial blindness, Gwal knows other companies, and society in general, have a ways to go. "Companies, law firms and law schools can find a way to help the party deal with the stigma and help them to acclimate to the company culture," Gwal says. "It's all about inclusion, and they will improve by leaps and bounds. Once we understand the disability, we can effect change." Robert Gonzales, chair of the ABA Commission on Disability Rights, says the group has created a pledge for legal employers to sign: Disability Diversity in the Legal Profession: A Pledge for Change. The pledge, which was introduced in 2009 and updated in 2014, asks major businesses, law firms, judges and law schools to commit to hiring people who have disabilities and to treat them with respect and dignity. The employers are provided goals and scores on how well they do. "The pledge has had a dramatic impact on the companies and has given lawyers an opportunity they may not have had otherwise," Gonzales says. The pledge is online at ambar.org/thepledge. Gonzales agrees with Goraya that new technology has had a major impact on lawyers who have disabilities. Many companies and organizations, including the ABA, are upgrading their websites to make them more accessible. Once the ABA website redesign is completed, lawyers with disabilities will be able to participate in webinars and other educational programs more easily. "At the ABA, we're planning to finish the upgrades by mid-2018," Gonzales says. "Then lawyers, whether they're blind or deaf, will more easily be able to access the site like anyone else." But many legal tech companies still have to make their products accessible to attorneys who have disabilities. When the organizers of the ABA Techshow 2016 conducted a survey of vendors, of the 79 respondents, eight could confirm that their products were accessible. With the profession becoming increasingly reliant on technology, unless the status quo changes, attorneys who have disabilities could find themselves cut off from many opportunities. The ABA Techshow 2017 included a workshop to help vendors meet the needs of disabled customers, but none chose to attend. The organizers are planning a series of events in conjunction with the ABA Techshow 2018, which is March 7-10 in Chicago, including an online career fair for lawyers with disabilities. This article was published in the January 2018 issue of the ABA Journal with the title "Making Success Accessible: Attorneys who have disabilities are breaking down barriers in the legal profession." ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2018 23:58:53 +0000 From: "Nightingale, Noel" To: "blindlaw at nfbnet.org" Subject: [blindlaw] Press Release: Attorney General Jeff Sessions Rescinds 25 Guidance Documents, Department of Justice, December 21, 2017 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.justice.gov%2Fopa%2Fpr%2Fattorney-general-jeff-sessions-rescinds-25-guidance-documents&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce74d103cfb5a496b875d08d55433f00b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636507504403479635&sdata=Q0fCn768xKQVHZTboo04xyWoFZB%2B1z3nAWKjelKn9Cs%3D&reserved=0 Attorney General Jeff Sessions Rescinds 25 Guidance Documents Department of Justice Office of Public Affairs December 21, 2017 Today, Attorney General Jeff Sessions announced that, pursuant to Executive Order 13777 and his November memorandum prohibiting certain guidance documents, he is rescinding 25 such documents that were unnecessary, inconsistent with existing law, or otherwise improper. In making the announcement, the Attorney General said: "Last month, I ended the longstanding abuse of issuing rules by simply publishing a letter or posting a web page. Congress has provided for a regulatory process in statute, and we are going to follow it. This is good government and prevents confusing the public with improper and wrong advice." "Therefore, any guidance that is outdated, used to circumvent the regulatory process, or that improperly goes beyond what is provided for in statutes or regulation should not be given effect. That is why today, we are ending 25 examples of improper or unnecessary guidance documents identified by our Regulatory Reform Task Force led by our Associate Attorney General Rachel Brand. We will continue to look for other examples to rescind, and we will uphold the rule of law." In March, President Donald Trump issued Executive Order 13777, which calls for agencies to establish Regulatory Reform Task Forces, chaired by a Regulatory Reform Officer, to identify existing regulations for potential repeal, replacement, or modification. The Department of Justice Task Force, chaired by Associate Attorney General Rachel Brand, began its work in May. On November 17, the Attorney General issued a memorandum prohibiting DOJ components from using guidance documents to circumvent the rulemaking process and directed Associate Attorney General Brand to work with components to identify guidance documents that should be repealed, replaced, or modified. The Task Force has already identified 25 guidance documents for repeal and is continuing its review of existing guidance documents to repeal, replace, or modify. The list of 25 guidance documents that DOJ has withdrawn in 2017 is as follows: 1.ATF Procedure 75-4. 2.Industry Circular 75-10. 3.ATF Ruling 85-3. 4.Industry Circular 85-3. 5.ATF Ruling 2001-1. 6.ATF Ruling 2004-1. 7.Southwest Border Prosecution Initiative Guidelines (2013). 8.Northern Border Prosecution Initiative Guidelines (2013). 9.Juvenile Accountability Incentive Block Grants Program Guidance Manual (2007). 10.Advisory for Recipients of Financial Assistance from the U.S. Department of Justice on Levying Fines and Fees on Juveniles (January 2017). 11.Dear Colleague Letter on Enforcement of Fines and Fees (March 2016). 12.ADA Myths and Facts (1995). 13.Common ADA Problems at Newly Constructed Lodging Facilities (November 1999). 14.Title II Highlights (last updated 2008). 15.Title III Highlights (last updated 2008). 16.Commonly Asked Questions About Service Animals in Places of Business (July 1996). 17.ADA Business Brief: Service Animals (April 2002). 18.Prior Joint Statement of the Department of Justice and the Department of Housing and Urban Development Group Homes, Local Land Use, and the Fair Housing Act (August 18, 1999). 19.Letter to Alain Baudry, Esq., with standards for conducting internal audit in a non-discriminatory fashion (December 4, 2009). 20.Letter to Esmeralda Zendejas on how to determine whether lawful permanent residents are protected against citizenship status discrimination (May 30, 2012). 21.Common ADA Errors and Omissions in New Construction and Alterations (June 1997). 22.Common Questions: Readily Achievable Barrier Removal and Design Details: Van Accessible Parking Spaces (August 1996). 23.Website guidance on bailing-out procedures under section 4(b) and section 5 of the Voting Rights Act (2004). 24.Americans with Disabilities Act Questions and Answers (May 2002). 25.Statement of the Department of Justice on Application of the Integration Mandate of Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act and Olmstead v. L.C. to State and Local Governments' Employment Service Systems for Individuals with Disabilities (October 31, 2016). ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 00:00:09 +0000 From: "Nightingale, Noel" To: "blindlaw at nfbnet.org" Subject: [blindlaw] Article: DOJ Nixes All Pending ADA Rulemakings, Including Website Access Rules, Seyfarth Shaw LLP, December 22, 2017 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.adatitleiii.com%2F2017%2F12%2Fdoj-nixes-all-pending-ada-rulemakings-including-website-access-rules%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce74d103cfb5a496b875d08d55433f00b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636507504403479635&sdata=JwVTnFdScg6ozw5eR985V7H9X%2B8Jh1ICc6LW590e2fw%3D&reserved=0 DOJ Nixes All Pending ADA Rulemakings, Including Website Access Rules Seyfarth Shaw LLP December 22, 2017 By: Minh N. Vu Seyfarth Synopsis: The Justice Department withdraws pending rulemakings for accessible websites, furniture and non-fixed equipment. The current Department of Justice's (DOJ) regulatory approach to Title III of the ADA is yet another example of what a difference an election can make. In 2010, the DOJ started the rulemaking process to issue new regulations about the websites of public accommodations and state and local governments, as well as non-fixed equipment and furniture used in public accommodations. In July of this year, the DOJ placed these rulemakings on the "inactive list". On December 26, 2017, these rulemakings will officially be withdrawn. On the web access rules, the DOJ stated that it is "evaluating whether promulgating regulations about the accessibility of Web information and services is necessary and appropriate. Such an evaluation will be informed by additional review of data and further analysis. The Department will continue to assess whether specific technical standards are necessary and appropriate to assist covered entities with complying with the ADA." This is an unfortunate development for the disability community and covered businesses alike. Instead of having clear rules to follow, businesses will have to look to the constantly evolving patchwork of decisions coming out of the courts for guidance. Meanwhile, the number of website accessibility lawsuits continues to surge as businesses scramble to make their websites accessible. With regard to the withdrawal of the rulemaking about non-fixed equipment and furniture, DOJ said that it is "reevaluating whether regulation of the accessibility of non-fixed equipment and furniture is necessary and appropriate." We see far less litigation on this topic although advocacy groups may feel the need to press the litigation agenda more aggressively now that no rules are forthcoming. Businesses are, for the most part, better off without these rules but they need to remember that the absence of technical standards does not necessarily mean there are no obligations under the ADA with regard to these items. Title III of the ADA contains a general non-discrimination mandate and more general rules that still require a public accommodation to ensure access to all its goods, services and benefits, subject to certain defenses. This latest development just confirms what we predicted would happen during this administration, albeit with more finality than we had anticipated. ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fblindlaw_nfbnet.org&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce74d103cfb5a496b875d08d55433f00b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636507504403479635&sdata=K90QSJZSZX1%2Fkc%2BYd96jCchypaUOoO5xAI8JHTeplp0%3D&reserved=0 ------------------------------ End of BlindLaw Digest, Vol 164, Issue 3 **************************************** From legal at s.ai Fri Jan 5 22:06:56 2018 From: legal at s.ai (Sai) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 22:06:56 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Article: DOJ Nixes All Pending ADA Rulemakings, Including Website Access Rules, Seyfarth Shaw LLP, December 22, 2017 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Does this affect the rulemaking on computer access that was promulgated just before the new administration? IIRC it was called the "508 refresh". Sincerely, Sai On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 12:00 AM, Nightingale, Noel via BlindLaw wrote: > > > https://www.adatitleiii.com/2017/12/doj-nixes-all-pending-ada-rulemakings-including-website-access-rules/ > > > > DOJ Nixes All Pending ADA Rulemakings, Including Website Access Rules > > Seyfarth Shaw LLP > > December 22, 2017 > > By: Minh N. Vu > > > > Seyfarth Synopsis: The Justice Department withdraws pending rulemakings for accessible websites, furniture and non-fixed equipment. > > > > The current Department of Justice's (DOJ) regulatory approach to Title III of the ADA is yet another example of what a difference an election can make. > > > > In 2010, the DOJ started the rulemaking process to issue new regulations about the websites of public accommodations and state and local governments, as well as non-fixed equipment and furniture used in public accommodations. In July of this year, the DOJ placed these rulemakings on the "inactive list". On December 26, 2017, these rulemakings will officially be withdrawn. > > > > On the web access rules, the DOJ stated that it is "evaluating whether promulgating regulations about the accessibility of Web information and services is necessary and appropriate. Such an evaluation will be informed by additional review of data and further analysis. The Department will continue to assess whether specific technical standards are necessary and appropriate to assist covered entities with complying with the ADA." This is an unfortunate development for the disability community and covered businesses alike. Instead of having clear rules to follow, businesses will have to look to the constantly evolving patchwork of decisions coming out of the courts for guidance. Meanwhile, the number of website accessibility lawsuits continues to surge as businesses scramble to make their websites accessible. > > > > With regard to the withdrawal of the rulemaking about non-fixed equipment and furniture, DOJ said that it is "reevaluating whether regulation of the accessibility of non-fixed equipment and furniture is necessary and appropriate." We see far less litigation on this topic although advocacy groups may feel the need to press the litigation agenda more aggressively now that no rules are forthcoming. Businesses are, for the most part, better off without these rules but they need to remember that the absence of technical standards does not necessarily mean there are no obligations under the ADA with regard to these items. Title III of the ADA contains a general non-discrimination mandate and more general rules that still require a public accommodation to ensure access to all its goods, services and benefits, subject to certain defenses. > > > > This latest development just confirms what we predicted would happen during this administration, albeit with more finality than we had anticipated. > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/legal%40s.ai From simon.singh at eknoworks.com Sat Jan 6 17:11:44 2018 From: simon.singh at eknoworks.com (Simon Singh) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2018 12:11:44 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Wish to interview Justice Sonia Sotomayor for an interview series featuring lawyers with disabilities In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Rahul, Please send me your contact info. I would like to take this matter of the list. Thanks Best regards Simon Singh On Tue, Dec 26, 2017 at 1:28 PM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw < blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: > Hi all, > > I hope this message finds you well. As I may have mentioned earlier on > this list, I am part of an organization which is conducting an interview > series featuring lawyers with disabilities across the globe. We have > interviewed such jurists as Judge David S. Tatel and Zak Yacoob (South > African Constitutional Court) as part of this series. > I believe Justice Sotomayor would be a great candidate for this interview > series, given her battle with diabetes since early childhood. However, I > have not been able to find any way to contact her or her office. I'd be > grateful if any of you could share any leads in this regard. > > Please feel free to do this off-list if you find that more preferable. If > you can put me in touch with anyone who may have invited her for an event > or share any information at all, it would be very helpful. Thanks so much. > > Best, > Rahul > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ > simon.singh%40eknoworks.com > From ainekc at gmail.com Tue Jan 9 02:55:24 2018 From: ainekc at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?=C3=81ine_Kelly-Costello?=) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2018 15:55:24 +1300 Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd: [IDA_CRPD_Forum] Call for Suggestions: Courtrooms & Digital Inclusion References: Message-ID: <783DA837-949E-4425-9E11-6AFC9DD4A3A1@gmail.com> In case anyone is interested or has connections Begin forwarded message: > From: "James Thurston jthurston at g3ict.org [IDA_CRPD_Forum]" > Date: 9 January 2018 at 3:51:42 PM NZDT > To: IDA_CRPD_Forum at yahoogroups.com > Cc: Pong Cruz , Talin Avades > Subject: [IDA_CRPD_Forum] Call for Suggestions: Courtrooms & Digital Inclusion > Reply-To: IDA_CRPD_Forum at yahoogroups.com,James Thurston > > Good day, colleagues in the IDA CRPD Forum. G3ict is excited to be starting a new work project focusing on the inclusion of persons with disabilities in courtroom proceedings around the world. We believe that with newer technology solutions, like voice, cloud, and artificial intelligence, we have opportunities to broaden and deepen inclusion of persons with disabilities in courtrooms worldwide. As an initial step forward on this topic we have begun exploring globally what is the current situation regarding the use of technology to promote the inclusion of persons with disabilities and what the situation could or should be. How do we see or how can we imagine applying technology to benefit persons with disabilities in courtroom proceedings? > > We are now looking to speak with people who might have expertise or perspective to share on this topic. We would very much appreciate any suggestions for and connections to such experts and leaders. These actors could come from governments, judicial leadership, the technology sector, and organizations of and for persons with disabilities. Also, if you are aware of a judicial system that you believe might be doing a good job using technology to include persons with disabilities or even might be interested in exploring the topic, we would be interested in connecting with them. > > Thank you for any assistance and for our continued collaborations. > > James > > James Thurston > Vice President for Global Strategy and Development G3ict - the Global Initiative for Inclusive ICTs > > __._,_.___ > Posted by: James Thurston > Reply via web post • Reply to sender • Reply to group • Start a New Topic • Messages in this topic (1) > > Have you tried the highest rated email app? > With 4.5 stars in iTunes, the Yahoo Mail app is the highest rated email app on the market. What are you waiting for? Now you can access all your inboxes (Gmail, Outlook, AOL and more) in one place. Never delete an email again with 1000GB of free cloud storage. > > VISIT YOUR GROUP New Members 3 > • Privacy • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use > . > > > __,_._,___ From slabarre at labarrelaw.com Tue Jan 9 14:56:40 2018 From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. Labarre) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2018 07:56:40 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] FW: vacancy for ABC coordinator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001401d3895a$0f16c9d0$2d445d70$@labarrelaw.com> Hello, this would be an interesting job for someone. Please share widely. Thanks, Scott From: HALIL LÖVBLAD, Monica [mailto:monica.halil at wipo.int] Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2018 3:37 AM Subject: vacancy for ABC coordinator Dear All, I wish you all a happy and healthy New Year! The Accessible Books Consortium Secretariat is looking for an ICS contractor, fluent in both English and Spanish, to work in Geneva to provide both substantive and administrative support for the Accessible Book Consortium’s main activities including the ABC Global Book Service, Capacity Building, Inclusive Publishing, and Communications. The contract would be for 12 months, with the possibility of renewal for another 12 months. Grateful if you could circulate to your contacts. Interested candidates should apply through the online system below: https://wipo.taleo.net/careersection/wp_03/jobdetail.ftl?job=17288 &tz=GMT%2B01%3A00 The deadline for applications is January 31, 2018. Many thanks and kind regards, Monica | Head | Accessible Books Consortium Secretariat | World Intellectual Property Organization | 34 chemin des Colombettes, CH-1211 Geneva 20, Switzerland | Monica.Halil at wipo.int | Tel: +41 22 338 8117 | www.AccessibleBooksConsortium.org | Accessible Books Consortium Bringing books to persons with print disabilities From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Wed Jan 10 00:48:05 2018 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 00:48:05 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] List of legal research tools for blind lawyers Message-ID: Blindlaw listers, Through individual conversations and suggestions from this list, I have collected a list of legal research tools that may be of use for blind lawyers (as well as lawyers who are not blind). Some of the tools are not perfectly accessible. If anyone has any additional tools they think should bbe added to the list, please send me an e-mail at noel.nightingale at ed.gov Bloomberg https://www.bloomberg.com Casemaker http://www.casemakerlegal.com Fast Case https://www.fastcase.com Findlaw https://www.findlaw.com Google https://www.google.com HeinOnline https://home.heinonline.org Hathi Trust https://www.hathitrust.org Justia https://www.justia.com Lexis https://www.lexis.com LII Cornell https://www.law.cornell.edu avel http://www.ravellaw.com SpecialEdConnection https://www.specialedconnection.com Westlaw https://www.westlaw.com Noel From slabarre at labarrelaw.com Wed Jan 10 15:36:32 2018 From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. Labarre) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 08:36:32 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Job Opportunity in the Trial Court and Appeals Court - 1/10/18 In-Reply-To: <1129790970076.1116406273370.1470612392.0.261030JL.2002@scheduler.constantcontact.com> References: <1129790970076.1116406273370.1470612392.0.261030JL.2002@scheduler.constantcontact.com> Message-ID: <005701d38a28$cad24860$6076d920$@labarrelaw.com> fyi From: Trial Court HR Department [mailto:hr.department at jud.state.ma.us] Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 8:31 AM To: slabarre at labarrelaw.com Subject: Job Opportunity in the Trial Court and Appeals Court - 1/10/18 The Massachusetts Trial Court has new job openings. Thank you for your interest in the Massachusetts Trial Court and Appeals Court Job Opportunities. Please share the following new Massachusetts Trial Court job opportunities with your organization * Office of Community Corrections, Program Manager - Office of Community Corrections - closing on 01/15/18 * Fitchburg District Court Assistant Clerk Magistrate - closing on 01/15/18 * Office of Court Management Administrative Attorney - closing on 01/16/18 * Boston Municipal Court Administrative Attorney - closing on 01/24/18 * Quincy District Court Case Specialist - closing on 01/18/18 * Hampden Probate & Family Court Probation Case Specialist Series - closing on 01/23/18 * Office of Court Management Business Analyst - Judiciary Information Services Department- open until filled * Office of Court Management Project Administrator - Capital Planning- open until filled * Office of Court Management Fiscal Administrator - Contracts - open until filled * Facilities Management has the following openings: * Senior Maintenance Technician - Region V - open until filled * Custodian - Region I- open until filled * Custodian - Region V - open until filled * Custodian - Region III- open until filled * Maintenance Technician - Region III- open until filled * Facilities Supervisor I - Region II - open until filled * Maintenance Technician - Region V- open until filled All current Job Postings and instructions on how to apply online can be found at: https://careers-trialcourtsofmass.icims.com/jobs/intro Frequently Asked Questions on how to apply. Please note the Trial Court has an online application process. Paper, faxed, or emailed applications or resumes are not accepted. www.mass.gov/courts The Massachusetts Judicial Branch is an equal opportunity/affirmative action employer. Massachusetts Trial Court Human Resources Department matrialcourtjobs at jud.state.ma.us Forward this email This email was sent to slabarre at labarrelaw.com by hr.department at jud.state.ma.us | Update Profile/Email Address | Rapid removal with SafeUnsubscribe ™ | Privacy Policy . Trial Court Communications | John Adams Courthouse | One Pemberton Square | Boston | MA | 02108 From slabarre at labarrelaw.com Thu Jan 11 18:02:02 2018 From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. Labarre) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 11:02:02 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] FW: [DRBA] FW: U.S. Access Board Seeks Information and Communication Technology Accessibility Specialist (GS 13/14) In-Reply-To: References: <17168076.143@service.govdelivery.com> Message-ID: <021101d38b06$48f77d40$dae677c0$@labarrelaw.com> Circulate widely as you see fit. Thanks, Scott From: Disability Rights Bar Association [mailto:DRBA at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU] On Behalf Of Amy Robertson Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 10:45 AM To: DRBA at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU Subject: [DRBA] FW: U.S. Access Board Seeks Information and Communication Technology Accessibility Specialist (GS 13/14) Assume you are all signed up for these announcements but just in case. 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Name: Equal Justice Attorney.TCVLS.January 2018.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 185713 bytes Desc: Equal Justice Attorney.TCVLS.January 2018.pdf URL: From mnowicki4 at icloud.com Thu Jan 11 22:21:13 2018 From: mnowicki4 at icloud.com (Michal Nowicki) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 16:21:13 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] bar accessibility - new article In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0P2E00CWXWRCZV00@ms11p00im-qufv17100601.me.com> Patti, Where can I find the article? You did not attach, paste, or provide a link. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Chang, Patti via BlindLaw Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 4:07 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Chang, Patti Subject: [blindlaw] bar accessibility - new article I am quoted. Mostly the quotes are accurate. Patti Chang Director of Outreach 200 East Wells Street, Baltimore, MD 21230 (410) 659-9314, extension 2422 | pchang at nfb.org [National Federation of the Blind] [Facebook] [Twitter] [Youtube] The National Federation of the Blind is a community of members and friends who believe in the hopes and dreams of the nation's blind. Every day we work together to help blind people live the lives they want. Disclaimer The information contained in this communication from the sender is confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others authorized to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in relation of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. This email has been scanned for viruses and malware, and may have been automatically archived by Mimecast Ltd, an innovator in Software as a Service (SaaS) for business. 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To find out more visit the Mimecast website. _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%40icloud.com From PChang at nfb.org Thu Jan 11 22:24:42 2018 From: PChang at nfb.org (Chang, Patti) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 22:24:42 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] sorry I forgot to include the link to the article on bar accessibility Message-ID: https://www.americanbar.org/groups/bar_services/publications/bar_leader/2017-18/january-february/accessibility-matters-experts-and-lawyers-with-disabilities-help-bars-find-eliminate-barriers.html Patti Chang Director of Outreach 200 East Wells Street, Baltimore, MD 21230 (410) 659-9314, extension 2422 | pchang at nfb.org [National Federation of the Blind] [Facebook] [Twitter] [Youtube] The National Federation of the Blind is a community of members and friends who believe in the hopes and dreams of the nation's blind. 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From mnowicki4 at icloud.com Thu Jan 11 23:11:25 2018 From: mnowicki4 at icloud.com (Michal Nowicki) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2018 17:11:25 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] sorry I forgot to include the link to the article on baraccessibility In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0P2E001X6Z2ZLT30@ms11p00im-qufv17100601.me.com> Patti, Thank you for posting this article. It is great to hear that bar associations are improving accessibility. Unfortunately, as in other areas, work still needs to be done. For example, the Illinois bar exam online application is not yet fully accessible. I am about to give the Illinois Board of Admissions to the Bar feedback on how they can improve access. Michal Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Chang, Patti via BlindLaw Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 4:25 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Chang, Patti Subject: [blindlaw] sorry I forgot to include the link to the article on baraccessibility https://www.americanbar.org/groups/bar_services/publications/bar_leader/2017-18/january-february/accessibility-matters-experts-and-lawyers-with-disabilities-help-bars-find-eliminate-barriers.html Patti Chang Director of Outreach 200 East Wells Street, Baltimore, MD 21230 (410) 659-9314, extension 2422 | pchang at nfb.org [National Federation of the Blind] [Facebook] [Twitter] [Youtube] The National Federation of the Blind is a community of members and friends who believe in the hopes and dreams of the nation's blind. Every day we work together to help blind people live the lives they want. Disclaimer The information contained in this communication from the sender is confidential. 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To find out more visit the Mimecast website. _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%40icloud.com From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Fri Jan 12 17:07:34 2018 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 17:07:34 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd: Columbia Legal Services - Summer Legal Intern Positions state of Washington Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Amy Fleetwood > Date: Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 1:09 PM Subject: Columbia Legal Services - Summer Legal Intern Positions To: "conrad.wacda at gmail.com" > Cc: Michelle Majors >, Alanna Tritt > Greetings, Columbia Legal Services will have a number of intern positions available this summer and we want to get the word out. Some will be paid. 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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Fri Jan 12 23:45:14 2018 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 23:45:14 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Article: Disability rights movement's legislative impact sprang from on-campus activism, ABA Journal, January 2018 Issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.abajournal.com/magazine/article/disability_rights_campus_activism_legislation/?utm_source=maestro&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=weekly_email Disability rights movement's legislative impact sprang from on-campus activism ABA Journal January 2018 By Stephanie Francis Ward Because she had contracted polio as a toddler, Judith Heumann couldn't attend her neighborhood school in Brooklyn. The principal thought her wheelchair would be a fire hazard. That experience figured in with discussions she had at Camp Jened, a two-month summer program in Hunter, New York, for kids who have developmental disabilities. "It was discussed as young people that we wanted to have more. We'd talk about what we saw as the struggles of the day and how we wanted to help change that," says Heumann, mentioning examples such as transportation, housing and education. She organized similar discussions at a school she attended that was specifically for children who had disabilities. In 1970, she formed Disabled in Action, the first cross-disability organization. Inspiration came when she was denied a teaching certificate on the basis that she couldn't walk. Heumann, a 1969 Long Island University graduate, sued the New York City Board of Education. Shortly afterward, the entity reversed its position. She was likely the first teacher to use a wheelchair in New York City, and her story got national attention. Throughout many years, disability rights activism has flourished through programs that advocate independence and provide young people opportunities to discuss with peers how laws could improve their lives. Some participants, including Heumann, went on to be leaders in the independent living movement, and their activism led to federal laws that prohibit disability discrimination in the public and private sectors. TOUGHING IT OUT President Franklin D. Roosevelt started one of the earliest programs in Warm Springs, Georgia, at a rehabilitation facility with mineral springs. Diagnosed with polio at age 39, Roosevelt started visiting the town's Meriwether Inn in the 1920s after he heard that its water could help with his below-the-waist paralysis. Roosevelt bought the property in 1926; replaced the inn with accessible buildings; and created the Warm Springs Foundation, a nonprofit group that provides comprehensive rehabilitation services. "African-Americans were not welcome, but for white people who were middle class and had the good fortune to go there, this was a place where they could go and meet with the president; he was kind of a mentor," says Catherine Kudlick, a history professor at San Francisco State University who also directs the Paul K. Longmore Institute on Disability. During that era, people with disabilities were expected to tough them out, and they were frequently celebrated for doing so, Kudlick says. This was especially true for polio survivors, and Roosevelt played a role in that outlook. The mindset also led to placing children who had polio at live-in facilities because doctors thought their families would coddle them too much at home. "In the polio rehabilitation hospitals, they bonded with each other and said: 'This sucks; we're going to push for rights later on,' " Kudlick says. CAMPUS ACTIVISM Around the time Heumann formed Disabled in Action, Ed Roberts recruited her and other disability activists across the country to come to the University of California at Berkeley. Roberts was a doctoral candidate in political science who had contracted polio and was paralyzed from the neck down. Roberts was the former head of the California Department of Rehabilitation; and along with Heumann and Joan Leon, they co-founded the World Institute on Disability. Roberts, who died in 1995, was the first severely disabled student to attend Berkeley, according to his New York Times obituary, and no dorm could accommodate the 800-pound ventilator he used to sleep. Roberts lived in an empty wing of the university's student health center, with the condition that it be treated like a dorm, not a medical facility. Many other students with disabilities moved in, too, and they called themselves the Rolling Quads. Inspired by what the university's free speech movement did for the civil rights and anti-Vietnam War movements, disability activists at Berkeley focused on independent living. Their platform included people with severe disabilities having attendant services rather than living in group facilities. And each individual-not the aide-decided for themselves what to eat, what to wear and when to go to bed. "It was just a very exciting period of time. I compare it with being at a candy store, where you have all these different things that you could work on," says Heumann, who got a master's degree in public health in 1975 from Berkeley. She has since worked as the special adviser for international disability rights at the Department of State, to which she was appointed during the Obama administration. She now works to broaden discussions on the intersectionality of disability rights through her social media project the Heumann Perspective. She also was named a senior fellow at the Ford Foundation in September. Another college program that attracted students with disabilities was at the University of Illinois. The program was originally started for World War II veterans attending college on the GI Bill, and it was at the veterans hospital on the U of I's Galesburg campus. The state closed that campus in 1949, and students traveled to Springfield to protest. In response, the state moved the program to the Urbana-Champaign campus. That campus wasn't completely accessible, says Lindsey Patterson, a history professor at Elmhurst College whose scholarship focuses on disability activism. "The students knew the university wouldn't change sidewalks unless damage was done, so they'd go out in the middle of the night in wheelchairs with sledgehammers," she says. Busting up the concrete resulted in more curb cuts, according to Patterson. The program, now called the Division of Disability Resources and Education Services, was founded by Timothy Nugent, a military veteran initially hired as a health instructor at the Galesburg campus. The students involved formed Delta Sigma Omicron, a rehabilitation service fraternity, and a wheelchair basketball team called the Gizz Kids. The team toured nationally, competing against able-bodied players. The program later included other sports, such as cheerleading, football, fencing and baseball. In her oral history for the University of Illinois, Kitty Cone, a student activist who had muscular dystrophy and attended the college in the 1960s, described Nugent as "an amazing person, in terms of his vision and his implementation of his vision, and for the time he was living in." However, Cone-who was a cheerleader, a student senator and an active member of the university's NAACP chapter-said the college's rehabilitation program sometimes wasn't supportive of her activism or her desire to move out of the dorms, where women had more restrictions than men. She also had the impression that Nugent wanted students in the program to be "solid citizen types" and said he always challenged her activism. Cone wanted to move to an apartment off campus because she thought she was getting weaker and wanted the chance to live by herself before it was too late. When she broached the subject with Nugent, she claimed, he suggested her activist activities might be making her tired and questioned her motive to move. "He said, 'Well, are you sure you don't want to just play house?' " Cone said. "In those days, that meant something-[to] sleep with somebody. ... It was awfully invasive," Cone said in her oral history. Cone, who became a disability activist, left college in 1967 and got a job with the National Mobilization Committee to End the War in Vietnam. She died in 2015. Fred Fay, an activist who started the online disability forum Justice for All, graduated from the university in 1972 with a doctorate in educational and rehabilitation psychology. According to his University of Illinois oral history, Fay, who died in 2011, was paralyzed from the neck down at age 16 after a backyard accident in which he broke his neck. He enrolled at the college after he learned about its accessibility program while attending the Warm Springs Foundation's rehabilitation program in Georgia in the early 1960s. Smashing curbs with sledgehammers was before Fay's time. However, working with other students, he created a map with the "most notorious curbs" on campus, he said in his oral history. The map was presented to a local business group, which replaced the curbs with curb cuts, and Fay saw that as the beginnings of his activism. FEDERAL INACTION After college, Fay was a founder of the Boston Center for Independent Living, and he was a research and training instructor at Tufts University, where his work focused on independent living. He also was active in making public buildings more accessible, which led to the Architectural Barriers Act of 1968. Like Cone and Heumann, he advocated for Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973, which prohibits discrimination against disabled people in programs that receive federal financial assistance. That legislation was first introduced in 1972. But President Richard Nixon used a pocket veto to kill the act in October of that year, claiming its authorization of federal funds would waste taxpayer dollars. Disability activists organized protests across the country, including one in New York City at the building that housed Nixon's campaign headquarters. "We shut down traffic on Madison Avenue and then took over Nixon's campaign headquarters four days before the election," says Heumann, who at the time was working on her master's degree at Berkeley. The bill was reintroduced, and Nixon signed it in September 1973. However, his administration and President Gerald Ford's did not implement the 504 regulation. Opposition to it was growing from entities covered by the law-including hospitals, universities and municipalities. More disappointment came when President Jimmy Carter took office in 1977. "Carter had been a disability rights advocate, but he gets into office and starts stalling, too," says Kudlick of San Francisco State University. The Carter administration's Department of Health, Education and Welfare set up a task force to study the disability community, and it appeared that the regulation was weakening-particularly its integration pieces that provided mainstream opportunities in programs and education for people who have disabilities. The main reviewer of the task force was David Tatel, a former director of the department's Office for Civil Rights, who lost his sight after law school because of retinitis pigmentosa. He now is a judge serving with the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit. Activists demanded that the 504 regulation remain unchanged and be implemented by April 4, 1977. But that didn't happen. On April 5, they organized sit-ins at 10 major cities, targeting buildings that housed regional Department of Health, Education and Welfare offices. That included Washington, D.C., where a hunger strike took place, and San Francisco, where a federal building sit-in with more than 100 people lasted until the end of April. It ended shortly after Joseph Califano, secretary of the department, signed the 504 regulation. "We have begun to ensure a future for ourselves and a future for the millions of young people with disabilities, who I think will find a new world as they begin to grow up. Who may not have to suffer the kinds of discrimination that we have suffered in our own lives. But that if they do suffer it, they'll be strong and they'll fight back," said Roberts of the World Institute on Disability at an April 30 victory rally. "And that's the greatest example: That we-who are considered the weakest, the most helpless people in our society-are the strongest and will not tolerate segregation, will not tolerate a society which sees us as less than whole people. But that we will together, with our friends, will reshape the image that this society has of us." The demonstrations marked the first time that the disability rights movement received international attention, Heumann says. "At the time, coverage of disability in the New York Times was on the socialite page, about who gave the most money. And there was the Jerry Lewis Telethon, talking about hopeless cripples," says Heumann, who led the San Francisco protest alongside Cone, who organized it. At the time, both women worked at the Center for Independent Living in Berkeley, the first organization of its kind. The center was incorporated in 1972 and grew from student activists' work at the Berkeley school, as well as a need for support services once they graduated. It was staffed by people who have disabilities and provided services that included referrals for housing or personal aides, peer counseling, and advice on how to advocate for oneself. It also was a template for the hundreds of centers for independent living that exist today-centers funded by a mix of federal, state and local money, as well as private donations, according to Access Living, an advocacy group in Chicago. CHANGING THE LAW The Center for Independent Living also established the Disability Rights Education and Defense Fund, which played an active role in litigation that arose from Section 504 regulation. The first 504 case heard by the U.S. Supreme Court was Southeastern Community College v. Davis. It was brought by Frances Davis, a licensed practical nurse who was hard of hearing; she had been denied entrance to a registered nursing program. The court found in 1979 that denying her admission to the program was not a 504 violation, on the basis that she was not qualified for the program. The finding was unanimous. The case was argued by Marc Charmatz, an attorney with the National Association of the Deaf. He started working on the case at the appellate level and today points out that Davis did not testify at the trial court level, which was not helpful for her appeal. "We knew from reading that case that the Supreme Court justices weren't getting it," says Arlene Mayerson, who has worked as directing attorney of DREDF since the early 1980s. "They said that perhaps in the future, there will be better technology so disabled people could have more roles. We wanted to explain to the court that people with disabilities are very capable, and it was society that got in their way." Five years after Davis, disability rights advocates had another shot before the Supreme Court. This time, in Consolidated Rail Corp. v. Darrone, it went much better for them. The case was brought by a man who lost his job as a locomotive engineer after an accident required that his left hand and forearm be amputated. The Disability Rights Education and Defense Fund filed an amicus brief that supported the petitioner. It focused on educating the court about discriminatory employment practices and the validity of the Section 504 regulations. In the 1984 opinion, a unanimous court found that Section 504's ban on employment discrimination should not be limited to programs that receive federal aid. Also during the 1980s, disability activists worked to amend the Fair Housing Act's enforcement mechanisms, and they were involved with the Civil Rights Restoration Act-a law that requires federal fund recipients to comply with nondiscrimination laws. President Ronald Reagan vetoed the legislation in 1988. However, the House and Senate later overrode his veto. Rep. Tony Coelho, who voted to override Reagan's veto, had been focused on amending different bills that included disability language. "But I realized that it really didn't do much good to do the amendments without our basic civil rights," says Coelho, a Democrat from Merced, California, who has epilepsy. In 1988, he introduced the first version of the Americans with Disabilities Act. Coelho was friends with Roxanne Vierra, a member of the National Council on Disability who contacted him about a draft bill. When he introduced it, Coelho sent a "Dear Colleague" letter to the members, asking for co-sponsors. "As a result, I got Democrats and Republicans. I knew if I didn't get that, it would never pass," says Coelho, who co-sponsored the bill with Sen. Lowell Weicker Jr., a Republican from Connecticut. Opposition came from the business lobby-including industries such as real estate, medical care and transportation-which argued that the legislation would be too expensive. Among those who weighed in was actor Clint Eastwood-then the mayor of Carmel, California. "I think he had a restaurant, and he talked about how the ADA would kill his business," Coelho says. "We advocated that accommodations would not kill a business and put in language that compliance had to be economically feasible. That became a key term." Fay, the University of Illinois graduate, worked in support of the ADA legislation with Justin Dart Jr., a wealthy Republican who used a wheelchair after contracting polio as a child and was vice-chair of the National Council on Disability. By that time, Fay used a motorized bed for his mobility device, after an inoperable cyst on his spinal cord prevented him from breathing if he sat up, according to his oral history. The device was equipped with a work station, and Fay could access his phone and computer from the bed. A House vote on the ADA legislation was repeatedly delayed. Jim Wright, a Democrat from Texas who was the speaker of the House from 1987 to 1989, had it referred multiple times to committees, Coelho says, and twice to a subcommittee. In March 1990, more than 60 people with disabilities went to the U.S. Capitol, where many abandoned their mobility devices and crawled up the building's 83 steps. The next day, more than 100 protesters who chained their wheelchairs together were arrested at the Capitol Rotunda. Protests are prohibited at the structure, according to a Times article about the incident, and police used large chain cutters and acetylene torches to break up the chains. The Senate passed the bill, and President George H.W. Bush signed the legislation into law that July. "I think we would have had the votes to pass it without the protest, but it still was very effective. Senators had to walk around or through the wheelchairs and over bodies of the disabled," says Coelho, who resigned from Congress in 1989. 'THE ADA GENERATION' After the ADA became law, a big change was that expectations grew for children who have disabilities, says Robyn Powell, a disability rights attorney who also teaches at the Boston University School of Law and is a doctoral candidate and researcher at Brandeis University. "I'm part of what is considered the ADA generation; I was 8 years old when it passed. I was expected to go to school and get a job. People who grew up prior to the ADA had less expectations," says Powell, a member of the American Bar Association Commission on Disability Rights. She has arthrogryposis, which causes restricted movement in her joints. Despite the post-ADA expectations, she says, disabled people are still perceived as dependent on others. Powell rarely meets lawyers who have visible disabilities outside the disability rights field. She thinks law firms often won't hire lawyers who have visible disabilities because there's a stereotype that they won't be able to keep up with work demands. (See "Making Success Accessible," January.) "In general, most people who are not familiar with disabilities have low expectations of all people with disabilities," adds Howard A. Rosenblum, CEO of the National Association of the Deaf. "With respect to deaf lawyers, we are often perceived as unable to function as effective speakers with the necessary eloquence to work successfully and persuasively. Many of us have shown such stereotypes to be completely wrong, but not enough lawyers in for-profit firms have had enough opportunity to interact with lawyers with disabilities to understand our ability to practice law effectively," says Rosenblum, who had finished his first year at the Chicago-Kent College of Law when the ADA became law. Jason Turkish, a Southfield, Michigan, attorney who is legally blind and has an eye muscle condition, was 3 years old when the ADA passed. He attended a mainstream school. By the time he was in second grade, he knew he had to advocate for himself. "I was my own first client, and I don't think that is unique. You learn at a young age to speak up or you get left behind. You also learn at a really young age to find teachers who care because there are a lot of them," says Turkish, whose clients include Angelo Binno, a legally blind man who alleges that the Law School Admission Test is discriminatory under the ADA because it requires spatial reasoning and the ability to diagram. The Supreme Court in March 2017 denied cert in Binno's lawsuit against the ABA, after the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals at Cincinnati found that because the LSAT is written, administered and scored by the Law School Admission Council-which is not part of the ABA-Binno had no standing to sue the association. Last May, Turkish filed a similar lawsuit against the LSAC, which is pending. "This is such a young civil rights movement," Turkish says. "It's the relative youth of this movement, from a legal perspective, that creates a really special obligation for attorneys who practice disability rights law. Most of the disability rights law from a precedential standpoint is still being parsed out in the federal courts, and there are endless areas of issues of first impression to be litigated, because this is such a new movement." From glnorman15 at hotmail.com Sat Jan 13 03:01:19 2018 From: glnorman15 at hotmail.com (GL Norman) Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 03:01:19 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Trans-Atlantic Dialogue Jan. 19 Wash. D.C. Message-ID: Save the Date Transatlantic Reflections: The Promise and Realities of Human Rights for All The German Marshall Fund of the United States (GMF) will host a discussion with American Marshall Memorial Fellows Gary C. Norman, Esq. L.L.M. (MMF '08) and Kerry Thompson, Ed.M. (MMF '14) in recognition of the 70th anniversary of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the 10th Anniversary of the United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities. GMF's distinguished alumni will reflect on human rights progress since 1948 and the future of human rights in today's global community. Leaders from diverse human rights initiatives will join this discussion to elevate human rights on the transatlantic agenda. A detailed agenda will be shared closer to the date. * January 19, 2018, at the German Marshall Fund of the U.S. 1744 R. Street N.W. * Join us for networking and light fare from 2:00pm - 2:30pm * Program runs 2:30 pm - 5:00pm, followed by wine and appetizers Panelists include: * Charlotte McClain Nhlapo, World Bank * Charlie Kellett, U.S. Department of State * Ann Cody, U.S. Department of State * Katherine Guernsey, American University and disability rights lawyer * Sheila Durant, Esq. This discussion is the first Gary Norman and Kerry Thompson will co-facilitate during their yearlong awareness-raising series on the transatlantic partnership and emerging voices of global citizens with disabilities. The series is in fulfillment of their alumni action initiative, "Globally Engaging Disability - Including Each, Strengthening All." Gary C. Norman, Esq. L.L.M. Being this uncommonly heard person with a disability on the transatlantic stage with his third guide dog, Gary leads at the intersection of law practice, personal connectivity because of the power of partnership, and shared responsibility about disability. He has extensive experience as a dispute resolution oriented attorney, always hoping to broker people together. He serves on rosters as an arbitrator and as a mediator. Kerry M. Thompson, Ed.M. Kerry has been a lifelong activist for people with disabilities beginning as a self-advocate as a DeafBlind individual. She is the Executive Director of Silent Rhythms, Inc., dedicated to achieving inclusion in the arts for people of all abilities. She co-created Text4Deaf, a communication tool to bridge the communication gap between the Deaf and Hearing communities in healthcare. Since 2008, she has worked to advance human rights through United Nations Conventions and the Sustainable Development Goals as part of her work with the Disability Rights Fund. She is the co-author for Human Rights and Adolescence (2014. University of Pennsylvania Press) and has written several blogs including "Hurricanes in my Backyard" and "DeafBlindness: The Lefts Behinds in a Leave No One Behind Era." She completed a Master's degree from Harvard University with a focus on international law and human rights. We look forward to welcoming you. Let us know if you require accommodations. There is an accessible entrance, requiring advance notice. Please provide your RSVP to Ms. Sara Perredda, TLIintern at gmfus.org From glnorman15 at hotmail.com Sun Jan 14 04:00:04 2018 From: glnorman15 at hotmail.com (GL Norman) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2018 04:00:04 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] International Dialogue on Disab. Jan. 19 Wash. D.C. Starts 2:15 P.M. Message-ID: From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Tue Jan 16 17:50:14 2018 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 12:50:14 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Introduction Message-ID: <5a5e3b57.034a650a.d0759.913b@mx.google.com> Dear Members, My name is Roanna Bacchus. I am in the process of seeking employment as a braille transcriber. I am studying to become a certified braille transcriber through the Library of Congress. I joined this list to learn about what laws affect blind people. From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com Tue Jan 16 20:01:38 2018 From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 01:31:38 +0530 Subject: [blindlaw] Suggestions on making ICT Accessible to the disabled In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi all, I hope this message finds you well. Here in India, the authority which regulates the functioning of the telecom sector, the Indian equivalent of the FCC, recently released a consultation paper in order to solicit suggestions on how Information and Communication technology (ICT) can be made accessible to persons with disabilities. The scope of the paper is very wide, and includes everything from set-top boxes to mobile phones; from web accessibility to the accessibility of the correspondence that a disabled individual is likely to have with a telecom service provider. I am part of an organization which is participating in this consultative exercise. I was wondering if any of you could shed light on what you regard as the most noteworthy features of the legal architecture governing ICT accessibility in the US that you think are worth emulating. Are there any steps that the FCC or other regulators have taken that have made it easier for the disabled to access ICT? Looking forward to hearing from you. Best, Rahul From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Tue Jan 16 20:19:10 2018 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 15:19:10 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Suggestions on making ICT Accessible to the disabled Message-ID: <5a5e5e3f.e6349d0a.b2c0a.94e1@mx.google.com> The Federal Communications Commission has provided rules and regulations to make Information Technology accessible to the blind of America. My name is Roanna Bacchus, and I believe that all forms of communication ought to be accessible to the visually impaired. The most noteworthy regulation is the Twenty-first Century Communications and Accessibility Telecomunications Act. This law states that all television programs must be described in order for the blind to understand them. From p.harpur at law.uq.edu.au Tue Jan 16 21:47:05 2018 From: p.harpur at law.uq.edu.au (Paul Harpur) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2018 21:47:05 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Suggestions on making ICT Accessible to the disabled In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <311ef828e54e44b4a24fe1f1b0b4380a@uq-exmbx6.soe.uq.edu.au> Have a look at Peter Blanck's book on web accessibility and my book on Discrimination, Copyright and Equality which both deal with ICT. My book goes through the positions under the CRPD, in Australia, Canada, the UK and US. Dr Paul Harpur | Senior Lecturer TC Beirne School of Law | The University of Queensland Room W205, Level 2 | Forgan Smith Building | St Lucia Campus | Brisbane Queensland 4072 | Australia T +61 7 336 58864 | M +61 417 635 609 | E p.harpur at law.uq.edu.au | W https://law.uq.edu.au/paul-harpur Dr Harpur's academic profile page can be accessed here and details on his publications can be found on his Google Citation, SSRN and Orcid profiles. Dr Harpur is the author of: Paul Harpur, Discrimination, Copyright and Equality: Opening the Ebook for the Print Disabled (2017) Cambridge University Press. CRICOS Provider Number 00025B This email (including any attached files) is intended only for the addressee and may contain confidential information of The University of Queensland. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that any transmission, distribution, printing or photocopying of this email is prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please delete and notify me. Unless explicitly stated the opinions expressed in this email do not necessarily represent the official position of The University of Queensland. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw Sent: Wednesday, 17 January 2018 6:02 AM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Cc: Rahul Bajaj Subject: [blindlaw] Suggestions on making ICT Accessible to the disabled Hi all, I hope this message finds you well. Here in India, the authority which regulates the functioning of the telecom sector, the Indian equivalent of the FCC, recently released a consultation paper in order to solicit suggestions on how Information and Communication technology (ICT) can be made accessible to persons with disabilities. The scope of the paper is very wide, and includes everything from set-top boxes to mobile phones; from web accessibility to the accessibility of the correspondence that a disabled individual is likely to have with a telecom service provider. I am part of an organization which is participating in this consultative exercise. I was wondering if any of you could shed light on what you regard as the most noteworthy features of the legal architecture governing ICT accessibility in the US that you think are worth emulating. Are there any steps that the FCC or other regulators have taken that have made it easier for the disabled to access ICT? Looking forward to hearing from you. Best, Rahul _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/paulharpur%40gmail.com From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com Wed Jan 17 11:54:09 2018 From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 17:24:09 +0530 Subject: [blindlaw] Suggestions on making ICT Accessible to the disabled In-Reply-To: <311ef828e54e44b4a24fe1f1b0b4380a@uq-exmbx6.soe.uq.edu.au> References: <311ef828e54e44b4a24fe1f1b0b4380a@uq-exmbx6.soe.uq.edu.au> Message-ID: Thank you. Dr. Harper, would you mind sharing the relevant portion of your book off-list for my perusal? Best, Rahul On 17/01/2018, Paul Harpur wrote: > Have a look at Peter Blanck's book on web accessibility and my book on > Discrimination, Copyright and Equality which both deal with ICT. My book > goes through the positions under the CRPD, in Australia, Canada, the UK and > US. > > > Dr Paul Harpur | Senior Lecturer > TC Beirne School of Law | The University of Queensland > Room W205, Level 2 | Forgan Smith Building | St Lucia Campus | Brisbane > Queensland 4072 | Australia > T +61 7 336 58864 | M +61 417 635 > 609 | E p.harpur at law.uq.edu.au | W https://law.uq.edu.au/paul-harpur > > > Dr Harpur's academic profile page can be accessed here and details on his > publications can be found on his Google Citation, SSRN and Orcid profiles. > > Dr Harpur is the author of: Paul Harpur, Discrimination, Copyright and > Equality: Opening the Ebook for the Print Disabled (2017) Cambridge > University Press. > > CRICOS Provider Number 00025B > This email (including any attached files) is intended only for the addressee > and may contain confidential information of The University of Queensland. If > you are not the addressee, you are notified that any transmission, > distribution, printing or photocopying of this email is prohibited. If you > have received this email in error, please delete and notify me. Unless > explicitly stated the opinions expressed in this email do not necessarily > represent the official position of The University of Queensland. > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj > via BlindLaw > Sent: Wednesday, 17 January 2018 6:02 AM > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Cc: Rahul Bajaj > Subject: [blindlaw] Suggestions on making ICT Accessible to the disabled > > Hi all, > > I hope this message finds you well. Here in India, the authority which > regulates the functioning of the telecom sector, the Indian equivalent of > the FCC, recently released a consultation paper in order to solicit > suggestions on how Information and Communication technology (ICT) can be > made accessible to persons with disabilities. The scope of the paper is very > wide, and includes everything from set-top boxes to mobile phones; from web > accessibility to the accessibility of the correspondence that a disabled > individual is likely to have with a telecom service provider. > > I am part of an organization which is participating in this consultative > exercise. I was wondering if any of you could shed light on what you regard > as the most noteworthy features of the legal architecture governing ICT > accessibility in the US that you think are worth emulating. Are there any > steps that the FCC or other regulators have taken that have made it easier > for the disabled to access ICT? > Looking forward to hearing from you. > > Best, > Rahul > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/paulharpur%40gmail.com > > From dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 17 15:36:25 2018 From: dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net (Daniel McBride) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 09:36:25 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] ADA & Parole Message-ID: <012801d38fa8$f0014890$d003d9b0$@sbcglobal.net> Tim Elder, Scott LaBar & List Colleagues, I am trying to assist a client who is up for parole from the Texas penitentiary and she is seeking a place to which she can parole. In previous times of incarceration, she was paroled and accepted into a transition program operated by Catholic Charities. I have been communicating with that program again and they have rejected her because she is now handicapped and will have difficulty climbing stairs in order to reach their female sleeping quarters. I replied to the Sister working intake that, before I communicate their response to the client, I respectfully asked that she consult with their legal or human resources program about the issue. Was it proper to make that suggestion? Under the Americans With Disabilities Act, is there anything that would prohibit Catholic Charities from denying her access to their program solely on the basis of her handicap? I appreciate all comments for some direction here. Daniel McBride, Attorney Fort Worth From adrijana.prokopenko at gmail.com Wed Jan 17 18:00:41 2018 From: adrijana.prokopenko at gmail.com (adrijana prokopenko) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 19:00:41 +0100 Subject: [blindlaw] ADA & Parole In-Reply-To: <012801d38fa8$f0014890$d003d9b0$@sbcglobal.net> References: <012801d38fa8$f0014890$d003d9b0$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: I sent this to a friend and he replied with the following. The contact he needs to make is with an attorney who specializes in ADA law, and consult them on that. It sounds like he is a criminal lawyer, but needs some help from somebody who specializes in civil law, with a strong background in the ADA. On 1/17/18, Daniel McBride via BlindLaw wrote: > Tim Elder, Scott LaBar & List Colleagues, > > I am trying to assist a client who is up for parole from the Texas > penitentiary and she is seeking a place to which she can parole. In > previous > times of incarceration, she was paroled and accepted into a transition > program operated by Catholic Charities. > > I have been communicating with that program again and they have rejected > her > because she is now handicapped and will have difficulty climbing stairs in > order to reach their female sleeping quarters. > > I replied to the Sister working intake that, before I communicate their > response to the client, I respectfully asked that she consult with their > legal or human resources program about the issue. > > Was it proper to make that suggestion? Under the Americans With > Disabilities > Act, is there anything that would prohibit Catholic Charities from denying > her access to their program solely on the basis of her handicap? > > I appreciate all comments for some direction here. > > Daniel McBride, Attorney > Fort Worth > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/adrijana.prokopenko%40gmail.com > From slabarre at labarrelaw.com Wed Jan 17 21:01:48 2018 From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. Labarre) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 14:01:48 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] FW: [DRBA] Our firm is hiring a litigation associate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002901d38fd6$645dd280$2d197780$@labarrelaw.com> fyi From: Disability Rights Bar Association [mailto:DRBA at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU] On Behalf Of Sarah Colby Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 1:49 PM To: DRBA at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU Subject: [DRBA] Our firm is hiring a litigation associate The law firm of Schneider Wallace Cottrell Konecky Wotkyns (SWCKW) is seeking an attorney to work in its disability rights practice. Our practice within SWCKW is dedicated almost exclusively to class action litigation with a focus on lawsuits against governmental entities and large corporations alleging civil rights violations. We also litigate against the long-term care industry for access violations and failures to provide sufficient staffing. The candidate will be a member in good standing of at least one state bar association, preferably California, and have 3 to 6 years of litigation experience. S/he will possess strong writing, legal research, and interpersonal skills. If not a member of the California bar, the candidate must be willing to sit for the California bar within two years of employment. This position is in the Emeryville, California office of SWCKW. Applicants should send a cover letter and resume to Guy Wallace at gwallace at schneiderwallace.com. SWCKW is an equal opportunity employer. We value a diverse workforce and an inclusive culture. SWCKW encourages applications from all qualified individuals without regard to disability, race, color, religion, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, age, national origin, marital status, citizenship, veteran status, or record of arrest or conviction. 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Biggs* *Outreach Librarian* Maryland State Library for the Blind and Physically Handicapped Maryland State Library 415 Park Avenue Baltimore, Maryland 21201-3603 410-230-2430 (office) | 410-333-2095 (fax) ashley.biggs1 at maryland.gov http://www.lbph.maryland.gov From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Thu Jan 18 00:04:05 2018 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 00:04:05 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] FW: [Jobs] Our firm is hiring a litigation associate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: Jobs [mailto:jobs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Andrews via Jobs Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 3:02 PM To: jobs at nfbnet.org Cc: David Andrews Subject: [Jobs] Our firm is hiring a litigation associate > >From: Disability Rights Bar Association >[mailto:DRBA at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU] On Behalf Of Sarah Colby >Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 1:49 PM >To: DRBA at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU >Subject: [DRBA] Our firm is hiring a litigation associate > > > >The law firm of Schneider Wallace Cottrell >Konecky Wotkyns (SWCKW) is seeking an attorney >to work in its disability rights practice. Our >practice within SWCKW is dedicated almost >exclusively to class action litigation with a >focus on lawsuits against governmental entities >and large corporations alleging civil rights >violations. We also litigate against the >long-term care industry for access violations >and failures to provide sufficient >staffing. The candidate will be a member in >good standing of at least one state bar >association, preferably California, and have 3 >to 6 years of litigation experience. S/he will >possess strong writing, legal research, and >interpersonal skills. If not a member of the >California bar, the candidate must be willing to >sit for the California bar within two years of >employment. This position is in the Emeryville, >California office of SWCKW. Applicants should >send a cover letter and resume to Guy Wallace >at gwallace at schneiderwallace.com. > >SWCKW is an equal opportunity employer. We value >a diverse workforce and an inclusive culture. >SWCKW encourages applications from all qualified >individuals without regard to disability, race, >color, religion, gender, sexual orientation, >gender identity or expression, age, national >origin, marital status, citizenship, veteran >status, or record of arrest or conviction. > >SWCKW undertakes affirmative action strategies >in its recruitment and employment efforts to >assure that persons with disabilities have full >opportunities for employment in all >positions. We encourage applicants with >disabilities who may need accommodations in the >application process to >contact: > >EGueorguieva at schneiderwallace.com. >Correspondence sent to this email address that >is not related to requests for accommodations will not be reviewed. > > > > > >Sarah Colby >2000 Powell Street, Suite 1400 >Emeryville, California 94608 > > > > >Telephone: >Toll Free: >Facsimile: > >(415) 421-7100 >(800) 689-0024 >(415) 421-7105 > > > > > www.schneiderwallace.com > > > > > >REMINDER: The DRBA listserv is intended to >facilitate open discussion and sharing of ideas. >Members need to feel confident that their >discussions will not be distributed beyond the >group unnecessarily. PLEASE CONSULT WITH THE >SENDER(S) BEFORE FORWARDING ANY LISTSERV DISCUSSIONS BEYOND THE DRBA GROUP. >DONATE: The DRBA is a valuable free resource to >its members. But the DRBA does have expenses for >management, web and listserv services. 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Contact >DRBA-Law at law.syr.edu > for login credentials and related help. _______________________________________________ Jobs mailing list Jobs at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/jobs_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Jobs: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/jobs_nfbnet.org/noel.nightingale%40ed.gov From glnorman15 at hotmail.com Thu Jan 18 04:08:42 2018 From: glnorman15 at hotmail.com (GL Norman) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 04:08:42 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Final -- This Friday Conversation at G.M.F. in Wash. D.C. Message-ID: Save the Date Transatlantic Reflections: The Promise and Realities of Human Rights for All The German Marshall Fund of the United States (GMF) will host a discussion with American Marshall Memorial Fellows Gary C. Norman, Esq. L.L.M. (MMF '08) and Kerry Thompson, Ed.M. (MMF '14) in recognition of the 70th anniversary of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the 10th Anniversary of the United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities. GMF's distinguished alumni will reflect on human rights progress since 1948 and the future of human rights in today's global community. Leaders from diverse human rights initiatives will join this discussion to elevate human rights on the transatlantic agenda. A detailed agenda will be shared closer to the date. * January 19, 2018, at the German Marshall Fund of the U.S. 1744 R. Street N.W. * Join us for networking and light fare from 2:00pm - 2:30pm * Program runs 2:30 pm - 5:00pm, followed by wine and appetizers Panelists include: * Charlotte McClain Nhlapo, World Bank * Charlie Kellett, U.S. Department of State * Ann Cody, U.S. Department of State * Katherine Guernsey, American University and disability rights lawyer * Sheila Durant, Esq. This discussion is the first Gary Norman and Kerry Thompson will co-facilitate during their yearlong awareness-raising series on the transatlantic partnership and emerging voices of global citizens with disabilities. The series is in fulfillment of their alumni action initiative, "Globally Engaging Disability - Including Each, Strengthening All." Gary C. Norman, Esq. L.L.M. Being this uncommonly heard person with a disability on the transatlantic stage with his third guide dog, Gary leads at the intersection of law practice, personal connectivity because of the power of partnership, and shared responsibility about disability. He has extensive experience as a dispute resolution oriented attorney, always hoping to broker people together. He serves on rosters as an arbitrator and as a mediator. Kerry M. Thompson, Ed.M. Kerry has been a lifelong activist for people with disabilities beginning as a self-advocate as a DeafBlind individual. She is the Executive Director of Silent Rhythms, Inc., dedicated to achieving inclusion in the arts for people of all abilities. She co-created Text4Deaf, a communication tool to bridge the communication gap between the Deaf and Hearing communities in healthcare. Since 2008, she has worked to advance human rights through United Nations Conventions and the Sustainable Development Goals as part of her work with the Disability Rights Fund. She is the co-author for Human Rights and Adolescence (2014. University of Pennsylvania Press) and has written several blogs including "Hurricanes in my Backyard" and "DeafBlindness: The Lefts Behinds in a Leave No One Behind Era." She completed a Master's degree from Harvard University with a focus on international law and human rights. We look forward to welcoming you. Let us know if you require accommodations. There is an accessible entrance, requiring advance notice. Please provide your RSVP to Ms. Sara Perredda, TLIintern at gmfus.org From rfarber at jw.com Fri Jan 19 03:19:03 2018 From: rfarber at jw.com (Farber, Randy) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2018 03:19:03 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Updating Windows and iManage/FileSite Message-ID: <31F2EE3645B8CB43A190156AB388DF13B940A06F@pdc-exch02.jwllp.com> Our firm is updating our computer software and we can't get JAWS to work with iManage/FileSite. I believe that there are several of us who have been using iManage/FileSite as a document management system. Hoping that you might have solved our problem. For years we have been using Windows 7, Office 2010, and iManage/FileSite integrated into Outlook 2010 and everything has worked. We are updating to Windows 10, Office 2016 and iManage/FileSite 9.3.3.16 which is integrated into Outlook 2016. We cannot get JAWS to read the iManage/FileSite windows. Has anyone else had this problem when upgrading to Windows 10 and Office 2016? 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I believe that there are several of us who have been > using iManage/FileSite as a document management system. Hoping that you > might have solved our problem. > > For years we have been using > Windows 7, Office 2010, and iManage/FileSite integrated into Outlook 2010 > and everything has worked. > We are updating to > Windows 10, Office 2016 and iManage/FileSite 9.3.3.16 which is integrated > into Outlook 2016. > > We cannot get JAWS to read the iManage/FileSite windows. Has anyone else > had this problem when upgrading to Windows 10 and Office 2016? > > Thanks, > Randy Farber > From kelbycarlson at gmail.com Fri Jan 19 17:44:57 2018 From: kelbycarlson at gmail.com (K. Scott Carlson) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2018 12:44:57 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Working Dockets Message-ID: Hello, All, I'm currently working with the prosecution at a district court in the state I'm hoping to bar. Pretty much all of the dockets and files are handled through regular paper printouts. Some of it is electronic, but we're still figuring out where most of it is as that's not generally what people use. The dockets move very quickly and things can change day to day. The attorneys are very much willing to help so that I can do all the work. Any suggestions at all for the approach to take, especially from people who litigate in court a lot, is appreciated. Kelby From legal at s.ai Fri Jan 19 19:45:08 2018 From: legal at s.ai (Sai) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2018 19:45:08 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Working Dockets In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think this probably depends on the particular court / state's CM/ECF system. Can you share what court it is? Federal CM/ECF is not too bad (especially after they ditched the Java-based appellate filer system), particularly when you're subscribed to NEFs (notice of electronic filing, an email that gives you the docket text & link to the PDF). I don't have much experience with state court systems, though. Also, mind that it's not just the dockets; the documents themselves are also an issue. I externed for CA9; despite a local rule explicitly mandating that the record be filed in electronic, accessible format, at least half of what the extracts of record I had to go through when preparing a bench memo draft were really badly scanned and not even OCR'd. I would expect that if you're participating in a particular case, and you're OK with disclosing your access needs on the record, you could get the other side to be more compliant with such rules (and maybe e.g. send you a .doc version of their briefs as a courtesy). I've had limited success with that. Some AUSAs are surprisingly cooperative, others are total jerks, and others are OK but representing a jerk client that simply refuses to cough up native format records. () Plus, mind that most courts require sealed documents to be filed in paper only. Usually you'll get a courtesy electronic copy from opposing counsel by email, but not always. I would expect you'll have more sealed documents in criminal cases. Sincerely, Sai On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 5:44 PM, K. Scott Carlson via BlindLaw wrote: > Hello, All, > > I'm currently working with the prosecution at a district court in the > state I'm hoping to bar. Pretty much all of the dockets and files are > handled through regular paper printouts. Some of it is electronic, but > we're still figuring out where most of it is as that's not generally > what people use. The dockets move very quickly and things can change > day to day. The attorneys are very much willing to help so that I can > do all the work. > > Any suggestions at all for the approach to take, especially from > people who litigate in court a lot, is appreciated. > > Kelby > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/legal%40s.ai From rfarber at jw.com Tue Jan 23 04:38:43 2018 From: rfarber at jw.com (Farber, Randy) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 04:38:43 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Updating Windows and iManage/FileSite In-Reply-To: <31F2EE3645B8CB43A190156AB388DF13B940A06F@pdc-exch02.jwllp.com> References: <31F2EE3645B8CB43A190156AB388DF13B940A06F@pdc-exch02.jwllp.com> Message-ID: <31F2EE3645B8CB43A190156AB388DF13B94C2FFC@PDC-EXCH01.jwllp.com> Hello All - I didn't get any feedback about my problems with iManage/FileSite. So let me re-ask the question this way. For those of you who use iManage/FileSite as your document management system, what version of Windows and what version of Office/Outlook do you use? Thanks, Randy -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Farber, Randy via BlindLaw Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 9:19 PM To: Blindlaw Mailinglist (blindlaw at nfbnet.org) Cc: Farber, Randy Subject: [blindlaw] Updating Windows and iManage/FileSite Our firm is updating our computer software and we can't get JAWS to work with iManage/FileSite. I believe that there are several of us who have been using iManage/FileSite as a document management system. Hoping that you might have solved our problem. For years we have been using Windows 7, Office 2010, and iManage/FileSite integrated into Outlook 2010 and everything has worked. We are updating to Windows 10, Office 2016 and iManage/FileSite 9.3.3.16 which is integrated into Outlook 2016. We cannot get JAWS to read the iManage/FileSite windows. Has anyone else had this problem when upgrading to Windows 10 and Office 2016? Thanks, Randy Farber From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com Tue Jan 23 04:44:40 2018 From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 04:44:40 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Updating Windows and iManage/FileSite In-Reply-To: <31F2EE3645B8CB43A190156AB388DF13B94C2FFC@PDC-EXCH01.jwllp.com> References: <31F2EE3645B8CB43A190156AB388DF13B940A06F@pdc-exch02.jwllp.com> <31F2EE3645B8CB43A190156AB388DF13B94C2FFC@PDC-EXCH01.jwllp.com> Message-ID: Hi Randy, I use Windows 7 and Office 2010 currently, what I think you said your firm used previously. So, I'm afraid I'm unlikely to be of any help to you. I remain very anxious to hear of any solution you may come up with. Should I come up with a solution, I will let you know also. Do you mind my asking how significant the problems are for you? Would you go back to Windows 7 and Office 2010 if you could? Kind regards Ger On 1/23/18, Farber, Randy via BlindLaw wrote: > Hello All - > > I didn't get any feedback about my problems with iManage/FileSite. So let > me re-ask the question this way. For those of you who use iManage/FileSite > as your document management system, what version of Windows and what version > of Office/Outlook do you use? > > Thanks, > Randy > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Farber, > Randy via BlindLaw > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 9:19 PM > To: Blindlaw Mailinglist (blindlaw at nfbnet.org) > Cc: Farber, Randy > Subject: [blindlaw] Updating Windows and iManage/FileSite > > Our firm is updating our computer software and we can't get JAWS to work > with iManage/FileSite. I believe that there are several of us who have been > using iManage/FileSite as a document management system. Hoping that you > might have solved our problem. > > For years we have been using > Windows 7, Office 2010, and iManage/FileSite integrated into Outlook 2010 > and everything has worked. > We are updating to > Windows 10, Office 2016 and iManage/FileSite 9.3.3.16 which is integrated > into Outlook 2016. > > We cannot get JAWS to read the iManage/FileSite windows. Has anyone else > had this problem when upgrading to Windows 10 and Office 2016? > > Thanks, > Randy Farber > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com > From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com Tue Jan 23 04:44:58 2018 From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 04:44:58 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Updating Windows and iManage/FileSite In-Reply-To: References: <31F2EE3645B8CB43A190156AB388DF13B940A06F@pdc-exch02.jwllp.com> <31F2EE3645B8CB43A190156AB388DF13B94C2FFC@PDC-EXCH01.jwllp.com> Message-ID: Randy I should say that I'm writing off-list, if that's ok. Kind regards Ger On 1/23/18, Gerard Sadlier wrote: > Hi Randy, > > I use Windows 7 and Office 2010 currently, what I think you said your > firm used previously. So, I'm afraid I'm unlikely to be of any help to > you. I remain very anxious to hear of any solution you may come up > with. Should I come up with a solution, I will let you know also. > > Do you mind my asking how significant the problems are for you? > > Would you go back to Windows 7 and Office 2010 if you could? > > Kind regards > > Ger > > On 1/23/18, Farber, Randy via BlindLaw wrote: >> Hello All - >> >> I didn't get any feedback about my problems with iManage/FileSite. So >> let >> me re-ask the question this way. For those of you who use >> iManage/FileSite >> as your document management system, what version of Windows and what >> version >> of Office/Outlook do you use? >> >> Thanks, >> Randy >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Farber, >> Randy via BlindLaw >> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 9:19 PM >> To: Blindlaw Mailinglist (blindlaw at nfbnet.org) >> Cc: Farber, Randy >> Subject: [blindlaw] Updating Windows and iManage/FileSite >> >> Our firm is updating our computer software and we can't get JAWS to work >> with iManage/FileSite. I believe that there are several of us who have >> been >> using iManage/FileSite as a document management system. Hoping that you >> might have solved our problem. >> >> For years we have been using >> Windows 7, Office 2010, and iManage/FileSite integrated into Outlook 2010 >> and everything has worked. >> We are updating to >> Windows 10, Office 2016 and iManage/FileSite 9.3.3.16 which is >> integrated >> into Outlook 2016. >> >> We cannot get JAWS to read the iManage/FileSite windows. Has anyone else >> had this problem when upgrading to Windows 10 and Office 2016? >> >> Thanks, >> Randy Farber >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com >> > From rfarber at jw.com Tue Jan 23 04:50:37 2018 From: rfarber at jw.com (Farber, Randy) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 04:50:37 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Updating Windows and iManage/FileSite In-Reply-To: References: <31F2EE3645B8CB43A190156AB388DF13B940A06F@pdc-exch02.jwllp.com> <31F2EE3645B8CB43A190156AB388DF13B94C2FFC@PDC-EXCH01.jwllp.com> Message-ID: <31F2EE3645B8CB43A190156AB388DF13B94C390D@PDC-EXCH01.jwllp.com> The problems for iManage are very significant. We can't get JAWS to read the windows, so I can't find anything in iManage. The short term work around is for me to keep my Windows 7 and Office 2010 computer. But that can't last long as everyone else is on the new set-up. Randy -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw Sent: Monday, January 22, 2018 10:45 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Gerard Sadlier Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Updating Windows and iManage/FileSite Hi Randy, I use Windows 7 and Office 2010 currently, what I think you said your firm used previously. So, I'm afraid I'm unlikely to be of any help to you. I remain very anxious to hear of any solution you may come up with. Should I come up with a solution, I will let you know also. Do you mind my asking how significant the problems are for you? Would you go back to Windows 7 and Office 2010 if you could? Kind regards Ger On 1/23/18, Farber, Randy via BlindLaw wrote: > Hello All - > > I didn't get any feedback about my problems with iManage/FileSite. > So let me re-ask the question this way. For those of you who use > iManage/FileSite as your document management system, what version of > Windows and what version of Office/Outlook do you use? > > Thanks, > Randy > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > Farber, Randy via BlindLaw > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 9:19 PM > To: Blindlaw Mailinglist (blindlaw at nfbnet.org) > Cc: Farber, Randy > Subject: [blindlaw] Updating Windows and iManage/FileSite > > Our firm is updating our computer software and we can't get JAWS to > work with iManage/FileSite. I believe that there are several of us > who have been using iManage/FileSite as a document management system. > Hoping that you might have solved our problem. > > For years we have been using > Windows 7, Office 2010, and iManage/FileSite integrated into Outlook > 2010 and everything has worked. > We are updating to > Windows 10, Office 2016 and iManage/FileSite 9.3.3.16 which is > integrated into Outlook 2016. > > We cannot get JAWS to read the iManage/FileSite windows. Has anyone > else had this problem when upgrading to Windows 10 and Office 2016? > > Thanks, > Randy Farber > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%4 > 0gmail.com > _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rfarber%40jw.com From rfarber at jw.com Tue Jan 23 04:52:23 2018 From: rfarber at jw.com (Farber, Randy) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 04:52:23 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Updating Windows and iManage/FileSite In-Reply-To: References: <31F2EE3645B8CB43A190156AB388DF13B940A06F@pdc-exch02.jwllp.com> <31F2EE3645B8CB43A190156AB388DF13B94C2FFC@PDC-EXCH01.jwllp.com> Message-ID: <31F2EE3645B8CB43A190156AB388DF13B94C391F@PDC-EXCH01.jwllp.com> Ger - I received as park of the list. You can e-maiil me off-list at RFarber at JW.com. Randy -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw Sent: Monday, January 22, 2018 10:45 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Gerard Sadlier Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Updating Windows and iManage/FileSite Randy I should say that I'm writing off-list, if that's ok. Kind regards Ger On 1/23/18, Gerard Sadlier wrote: > Hi Randy, > > I use Windows 7 and Office 2010 currently, what I think you said your > firm used previously. So, I'm afraid I'm unlikely to be of any help to > you. I remain very anxious to hear of any solution you may come up > with. Should I come up with a solution, I will let you know also. > > Do you mind my asking how significant the problems are for you? > > Would you go back to Windows 7 and Office 2010 if you could? > > Kind regards > > Ger > > On 1/23/18, Farber, Randy via BlindLaw wrote: >> Hello All - >> >> I didn't get any feedback about my problems with iManage/FileSite. >> So let me re-ask the question this way. For those of you who use >> iManage/FileSite as your document management system, what version of >> Windows and what version of Office/Outlook do you use? >> >> Thanks, >> Randy >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >> Farber, Randy via BlindLaw >> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 9:19 PM >> To: Blindlaw Mailinglist (blindlaw at nfbnet.org) >> Cc: Farber, Randy >> Subject: [blindlaw] Updating Windows and iManage/FileSite >> >> Our firm is updating our computer software and we can't get JAWS to >> work with iManage/FileSite. I believe that there are several of us >> who have been using iManage/FileSite as a document management system. >> Hoping that you might have solved our problem. >> >> For years we have been using >> Windows 7, Office 2010, and iManage/FileSite integrated into Outlook >> 2010 and everything has worked. >> We are updating to >> Windows 10, Office 2016 and iManage/FileSite 9.3.3.16 which is >> integrated into Outlook 2016. >> >> We cannot get JAWS to read the iManage/FileSite windows. Has anyone >> else had this problem when upgrading to Windows 10 and Office 2016? >> >> Thanks, >> Randy Farber >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier% >> 40gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rfarber%40jw.com From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com Tue Jan 23 04:55:35 2018 From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 04:55:35 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Updating Windows and iManage/FileSite In-Reply-To: <31F2EE3645B8CB43A190156AB388DF13B94C391F@PDC-EXCH01.jwllp.com> References: <31F2EE3645B8CB43A190156AB388DF13B940A06F@pdc-exch02.jwllp.com> <31F2EE3645B8CB43A190156AB388DF13B94C2FFC@PDC-EXCH01.jwllp.com> <31F2EE3645B8CB43A190156AB388DF13B94C391F@PDC-EXCH01.jwllp.com> Message-ID: Hi Randy, I really appreciate this. At my stage (I think you're more senior) it simply will not do for me to be unable to find stuff on I-Manage! I'm going to have a word with our IT people about this. I'm sorry I can't be of any help. I will ask them to raise this with the makers of I Manage. Thanks very much. Kind regards Ger On 1/23/18, Farber, Randy via BlindLaw wrote: > Ger - I received as park of the list. You can e-maiil me off-list at > RFarber at JW.com. > > Randy > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gerard > Sadlier via BlindLaw > Sent: Monday, January 22, 2018 10:45 PM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Gerard Sadlier > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Updating Windows and iManage/FileSite > > Randy > > I should say that I'm writing off-list, if that's ok. > > Kind regards > > Ger > > On 1/23/18, Gerard Sadlier wrote: >> Hi Randy, >> >> I use Windows 7 and Office 2010 currently, what I think you said your >> firm used previously. So, I'm afraid I'm unlikely to be of any help to >> you. I remain very anxious to hear of any solution you may come up >> with. Should I come up with a solution, I will let you know also. >> >> Do you mind my asking how significant the problems are for you? >> >> Would you go back to Windows 7 and Office 2010 if you could? >> >> Kind regards >> >> Ger >> >> On 1/23/18, Farber, Randy via BlindLaw wrote: >>> Hello All - >>> >>> I didn't get any feedback about my problems with iManage/FileSite. >>> So let me re-ask the question this way. For those of you who use >>> iManage/FileSite as your document management system, what version of >>> Windows and what version of Office/Outlook do you use? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Randy >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >>> Farber, Randy via BlindLaw >>> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 9:19 PM >>> To: Blindlaw Mailinglist (blindlaw at nfbnet.org) >>> Cc: Farber, Randy >>> Subject: [blindlaw] Updating Windows and iManage/FileSite >>> >>> Our firm is updating our computer software and we can't get JAWS to >>> work with iManage/FileSite. I believe that there are several of us >>> who have been using iManage/FileSite as a document management system. >>> Hoping that you might have solved our problem. >>> >>> For years we have been using >>> Windows 7, Office 2010, and iManage/FileSite integrated into Outlook >>> 2010 and everything has worked. >>> We are updating to >>> Windows 10, Office 2016 and iManage/FileSite 9.3.3.16 which is >>> integrated into Outlook 2016. >>> >>> We cannot get JAWS to read the iManage/FileSite windows. Has anyone >>> else had this problem when upgrading to Windows 10 and Office 2016? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Randy Farber >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier% >>> 40gmail.com >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rfarber%40jw.com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com > From angie.matney at gmail.com Tue Jan 23 08:22:24 2018 From: angie.matney at gmail.com (Angie Matney) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 03:22:24 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Updating Windows and iManage/FileSite In-Reply-To: <31F2EE3645B8CB43A190156AB388DF13B94C2FFC@PDC-EXCH01.jwllp.com> References: <31F2EE3645B8CB43A190156AB388DF13B940A06F@pdc-exch02.jwllp.com> <31F2EE3645B8CB43A190156AB388DF13B94C2FFC@PDC-EXCH01.jwllp.com> Message-ID: <1AC426A7-6495-4B56-B5B3-B17B38D08A88@gmail.com> Randy, This won't help you, but I had a configuration like the one you used with success at my last firm. I moved to a new firm last month, and here, we are using DeskSite (I must say I'm a little confused about all of these sites, FileSite / WorkSite / DeskSite ...). I have found DeskSite to be less accessible with JAWS, and I wonder if anyone out there has had any scripting done for any variant of iManage. I know that a few years ago, my last firm contacted the makers of iManage in an effort to address an issue I was having with a braille display. We did not get anywhere, partly because FreedonScientific said they were not in a position to provide a demo braille display for the iManage people to use for testing. But the iManage people were very open to talking about accessibility. Maybe there's room for a number of us to talk with them about accessibility issues. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 22, 2018, at 11:38 PM, Farber, Randy via BlindLaw wrote: > > Hello All - > > I didn't get any feedback about my problems with iManage/FileSite. So let me re-ask the question this way. For those of you who use iManage/FileSite as your document management system, what version of Windows and what version of Office/Outlook do you use? > > Thanks, > Randy > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Farber, Randy via BlindLaw > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 9:19 PM > To: Blindlaw Mailinglist (blindlaw at nfbnet.org) > Cc: Farber, Randy > Subject: [blindlaw] Updating Windows and iManage/FileSite > > Our firm is updating our computer software and we can't get JAWS to work with iManage/FileSite. I believe that there are several of us who have been using iManage/FileSite as a document management system. Hoping that you might have solved our problem. > > For years we have been using > Windows 7, Office 2010, and iManage/FileSite integrated into Outlook 2010 and everything has worked. > We are updating to > Windows 10, Office 2016 and iManage/FileSite 9.3.3.16 which is integrated into Outlook 2016. > > We cannot get JAWS to read the iManage/FileSite windows. Has anyone else had this problem when upgrading to Windows 10 and Office 2016? > > Thanks, > Randy Farber > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/angie.matney%40gmail.com From NSingh at cov.com Tue Jan 23 13:37:12 2018 From: NSingh at cov.com (Singh, Nandini) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 13:37:12 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Updating Windows and iManage/FileSite In-Reply-To: <31F2EE3645B8CB43A190156AB388DF13B94C390D@PDC-EXCH01.jwllp.com> References: <31F2EE3645B8CB43A190156AB388DF13B940A06F@pdc-exch02.jwllp.com> <31F2EE3645B8CB43A190156AB388DF13B94C2FFC@PDC-EXCH01.jwllp.com> <31F2EE3645B8CB43A190156AB388DF13B94C390D@PDC-EXCH01.jwllp.com> Message-ID: <644259f1b5b34ed08ef40abf3cf07fa5@CBIvEX01eUS.cov.com> At my firm, we are on Windows 10 with Office 2010. iManage is super difficult to use with JAWS. I know this is and continues to be an issue too complicated for firm IT or Freedom Scientific to handle adequately. For now, I do not use iManage or else should a partner prefer it, request my assistant to save and retrieve documents. Nandini Singh Covington & Burling LLP One CityCenter, 850 Tenth Street, NW Washington, DC 20001-4956 T +1 202 662 5113 | nsingh at cov.com www.cov.com This message is from a law firm and may contain information that is confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please immediately advise the sender by reply e-mail that this message has been inadvertently transmitted to you and delete this e-mail from your system. Thank you for your cooperation. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Farber, Randy via BlindLaw Sent: Monday, January 22, 2018 11:51 PM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: Farber, Randy Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Updating Windows and iManage/FileSite The problems for iManage are very significant. We can't get JAWS to read the windows, so I can't find anything in iManage. The short term work around is for me to keep my Windows 7 and Office 2010 computer. But that can't last long as everyone else is on the new set-up. Randy -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw Sent: Monday, January 22, 2018 10:45 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Gerard Sadlier Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Updating Windows and iManage/FileSite Hi Randy, I use Windows 7 and Office 2010 currently, what I think you said your firm used previously. So, I'm afraid I'm unlikely to be of any help to you. I remain very anxious to hear of any solution you may come up with. Should I come up with a solution, I will let you know also. Do you mind my asking how significant the problems are for you? Would you go back to Windows 7 and Office 2010 if you could? Kind regards Ger On 1/23/18, Farber, Randy via BlindLaw wrote: > Hello All - > > I didn't get any feedback about my problems with iManage/FileSite. > So let me re-ask the question this way. For those of you who use > iManage/FileSite as your document management system, what version of > Windows and what version of Office/Outlook do you use? > > Thanks, > Randy > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > Farber, Randy via BlindLaw > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 9:19 PM > To: Blindlaw Mailinglist (blindlaw at nfbnet.org) > Cc: Farber, Randy > Subject: [blindlaw] Updating Windows and iManage/FileSite > > Our firm is updating our computer software and we can't get JAWS to > work with iManage/FileSite. I believe that there are several of us > who have been using iManage/FileSite as a document management system. > Hoping that you might have solved our problem. > > For years we have been using > Windows 7, Office 2010, and iManage/FileSite integrated into Outlook > 2010 and everything has worked. > We are updating to > Windows 10, Office 2016 and iManage/FileSite 9.3.3.16 which is > integrated into Outlook 2016. > > We cannot get JAWS to read the iManage/FileSite windows. Has anyone > else had this problem when upgrading to Windows 10 and Office 2016? > > Thanks, > Randy Farber > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%4 > 0gmail.com > _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rfarber%40jw.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/nsingh%40cov.com From rfarber at jw.com Tue Jan 23 14:25:58 2018 From: rfarber at jw.com (Farber, Randy) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 14:25:58 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Updating Windows and iManage/FileSite In-Reply-To: <644259f1b5b34ed08ef40abf3cf07fa5@CBIvEX01eUS.cov.com> References: <31F2EE3645B8CB43A190156AB388DF13B940A06F@pdc-exch02.jwllp.com> <31F2EE3645B8CB43A190156AB388DF13B94C2FFC@PDC-EXCH01.jwllp.com> <31F2EE3645B8CB43A190156AB388DF13B94C390D@PDC-EXCH01.jwllp.com> <644259f1b5b34ed08ef40abf3cf07fa5@CBIvEX01eUS.cov.com> Message-ID: <31F2EE3645B8CB43A190156AB388DF13B94C66B1@PDC-EXCH01.jwllp.com> Thanks -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 7:37 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Singh, Nandini Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Updating Windows and iManage/FileSite At my firm, we are on Windows 10 with Office 2010. iManage is super difficult to use with JAWS. I know this is and continues to be an issue too complicated for firm IT or Freedom Scientific to handle adequately. For now, I do not use iManage or else should a partner prefer it, request my assistant to save and retrieve documents. Nandini Singh Covington & Burling LLP One CityCenter, 850 Tenth Street, NW Washington, DC 20001-4956 T +1 202 662 5113 | nsingh at cov.com www.cov.com This message is from a law firm and may contain information that is confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please immediately advise the sender by reply e-mail that this message has been inadvertently transmitted to you and delete this e-mail from your system. Thank you for your cooperation. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Farber, Randy via BlindLaw Sent: Monday, January 22, 2018 11:51 PM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: Farber, Randy Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Updating Windows and iManage/FileSite The problems for iManage are very significant. We can't get JAWS to read the windows, so I can't find anything in iManage. The short term work around is for me to keep my Windows 7 and Office 2010 computer. But that can't last long as everyone else is on the new set-up. Randy -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw Sent: Monday, January 22, 2018 10:45 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Gerard Sadlier Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Updating Windows and iManage/FileSite Hi Randy, I use Windows 7 and Office 2010 currently, what I think you said your firm used previously. So, I'm afraid I'm unlikely to be of any help to you. I remain very anxious to hear of any solution you may come up with. Should I come up with a solution, I will let you know also. Do you mind my asking how significant the problems are for you? Would you go back to Windows 7 and Office 2010 if you could? Kind regards Ger On 1/23/18, Farber, Randy via BlindLaw wrote: > Hello All - > > I didn't get any feedback about my problems with iManage/FileSite. > So let me re-ask the question this way. For those of you who use > iManage/FileSite as your document management system, what version of > Windows and what version of Office/Outlook do you use? > > Thanks, > Randy > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > Farber, Randy via BlindLaw > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 9:19 PM > To: Blindlaw Mailinglist (blindlaw at nfbnet.org) > Cc: Farber, Randy > Subject: [blindlaw] Updating Windows and iManage/FileSite > > Our firm is updating our computer software and we can't get JAWS to > work with iManage/FileSite. I believe that there are several of us > who have been using iManage/FileSite as a document management system. > Hoping that you might have solved our problem. > > For years we have been using > Windows 7, Office 2010, and iManage/FileSite integrated into Outlook > 2010 and everything has worked. > We are updating to > Windows 10, Office 2016 and iManage/FileSite 9.3.3.16 which is > integrated into Outlook 2016. > > We cannot get JAWS to read the iManage/FileSite windows. Has anyone > else had this problem when upgrading to Windows 10 and Office 2016? > > Thanks, > Randy Farber > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%4 > 0gmail.com > _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rfarber%40jw.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/nsingh%40cov.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rfarber%40jw.com From tim at timeldermusic.com Tue Jan 23 14:45:27 2018 From: tim at timeldermusic.com (tim at timeldermusic.com) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 06:45:27 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] Updating Windows and iManage/FileSite In-Reply-To: References: <31F2EE3645B8CB43A190156AB388DF13B940A06F@pdc-exch02.jwllp.com> <31F2EE3645B8CB43A190156AB388DF13B94C2FFC@PDC-EXCH01.jwllp.com> Message-ID: <034c01d39458$cf523320$6df69960$@timeldermusic.com> I can say that upgrading to Windows 10 and Office 2016 was a negative change in terms of accessibility and reliability. My computer is slower, kills JAWS more often and generally has more problems. If you can stay on Windows 7 and Office 2010while preserving security, hold on to that system. Frankly, I'd be on Windows 7 and Office 2010 right now but for a new computer purchase that came preinstalled with Win 10. Any hype from Microsoft about being able to more quickly roll out accessibility fixes is not worth the instability they add with each release. It's like having someone constantly tinkering with your system without knowing what they are changing. I'm probably downgrading to Office 2013 because of odd performance problems with Office 2016. As for iManage, contact Virtual Vision Technologies. These guys are very good and can most likely get it to work with JAWS if doing so is possible. Everyone needs a good JAWS scripter in their contacts. These guys are the best in my opinion. http://www.virtualvisiontech.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Gerard Sadlier [mailto:gerard.sadlier at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 22, 2018 8:45 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Updating Windows and iManage/FileSite Randy I should say that I'm writing off-list, if that's ok. Kind regards Ger On 1/23/18, Gerard Sadlier wrote: > Hi Randy, > > I use Windows 7 and Office 2010 currently, what I think you said your > firm used previously. So, I'm afraid I'm unlikely to be of any help to > you. I remain very anxious to hear of any solution you may come up > with. Should I come up with a solution, I will let you know also. > > Do you mind my asking how significant the problems are for you? > > Would you go back to Windows 7 and Office 2010 if you could? > > Kind regards > > Ger > > On 1/23/18, Farber, Randy via BlindLaw wrote: >> Hello All - >> >> I didn't get any feedback about my problems with iManage/FileSite. >> So let me re-ask the question this way. For those of you who use >> iManage/FileSite as your document management system, what version of >> Windows and what version of Office/Outlook do you use? >> >> Thanks, >> Randy >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >> Farber, Randy via BlindLaw >> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 9:19 PM >> To: Blindlaw Mailinglist (blindlaw at nfbnet.org) >> Cc: Farber, Randy >> Subject: [blindlaw] Updating Windows and iManage/FileSite >> >> Our firm is updating our computer software and we can't get JAWS to >> work with iManage/FileSite. I believe that there are several of us >> who have been using iManage/FileSite as a document management system. >> Hoping that you might have solved our problem. >> >> For years we have been using >> Windows 7, Office 2010, and iManage/FileSite integrated into Outlook >> 2010 and everything has worked. >> We are updating to >> Windows 10, Office 2016 and iManage/FileSite 9.3.3.16 which is >> integrated into Outlook 2016. >> >> We cannot get JAWS to read the iManage/FileSite windows. Has anyone >> else had this problem when upgrading to Windows 10 and Office 2016? >> >> Thanks, >> Randy Farber >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier% >> 40gmail.com >> > From dbeitz at wiennergould.com Tue Jan 23 15:18:30 2018 From: dbeitz at wiennergould.com (Dan Beitz) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 15:18:30 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Updating Windows and iManage/FileSite In-Reply-To: <034c01d39458$cf523320$6df69960$@timeldermusic.com> References: <31F2EE3645B8CB43A190156AB388DF13B940A06F@pdc-exch02.jwllp.com> <31F2EE3645B8CB43A190156AB388DF13B94C2FFC@PDC-EXCH01.jwllp.com> <034c01d39458$cf523320$6df69960$@timeldermusic.com> Message-ID: <0c4bbd6cf1364442a335cebc9d4f03af@wiennergould.com> I agree with Tim. I just had a tech out here because I had so many issues with my system using the Fall creater's addition of Windows 10 and JAWS. I downgraded from office 2016 to office 2010 as well. Daniel K. Beitz Wienner & Gould, P.C. 950 University Dr., Ste. 350 Rochester, MI  48307 Phone:  (248) 841-9405 Fax:  (248) 652-2729 dbeitz at wiennergould.com www.wiennergould.com This email transmission and any documents, files or previous email messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged.  If you are not the intended recipient or the individual responsible for delivering this email to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution or use of any of the information contained herein or attached to this email is strictly prohibited.  Should you receive this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender of this email or by telephoning us at (248) 841-9400. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tim Elder via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 9:45 AM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: tim at timeldermusic.com Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Updating Windows and iManage/FileSite I can say that upgrading to Windows 10 and Office 2016 was a negative change in terms of accessibility and reliability. My computer is slower, kills JAWS more often and generally has more problems. If you can stay on Windows 7 and Office 2010while preserving security, hold on to that system. Frankly, I'd be on Windows 7 and Office 2010 right now but for a new computer purchase that came preinstalled with Win 10. Any hype from Microsoft about being able to more quickly roll out accessibility fixes is not worth the instability they add with each release. It's like having someone constantly tinkering with your system without knowing what they are changing. I'm probably downgrading to Office 2013 because of odd performance problems with Office 2016. As for iManage, contact Virtual Vision Technologies. These guys are very good and can most likely get it to work with JAWS if doing so is possible. Everyone needs a good JAWS scripter in their contacts. These guys are the best in my opinion. http://www.virtualvisiontech.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Gerard Sadlier [mailto:gerard.sadlier at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 22, 2018 8:45 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Updating Windows and iManage/FileSite Randy I should say that I'm writing off-list, if that's ok. Kind regards Ger On 1/23/18, Gerard Sadlier wrote: > Hi Randy, > > I use Windows 7 and Office 2010 currently, what I think you said your > firm used previously. So, I'm afraid I'm unlikely to be of any help to > you. I remain very anxious to hear of any solution you may come up > with. Should I come up with a solution, I will let you know also. > > Do you mind my asking how significant the problems are for you? > > Would you go back to Windows 7 and Office 2010 if you could? > > Kind regards > > Ger > > On 1/23/18, Farber, Randy via BlindLaw wrote: >> Hello All - >> >> I didn't get any feedback about my problems with iManage/FileSite. >> So let me re-ask the question this way. For those of you who use >> iManage/FileSite as your document management system, what version of >> Windows and what version of Office/Outlook do you use? >> >> Thanks, >> Randy >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >> Farber, Randy via BlindLaw >> Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 9:19 PM >> To: Blindlaw Mailinglist (blindlaw at nfbnet.org) >> Cc: Farber, Randy >> Subject: [blindlaw] Updating Windows and iManage/FileSite >> >> Our firm is updating our computer software and we can't get JAWS to >> work with iManage/FileSite. I believe that there are several of us >> who have been using iManage/FileSite as a document management system. >> Hoping that you might have solved our problem. >> >> For years we have been using >> Windows 7, Office 2010, and iManage/FileSite integrated into Outlook >> 2010 and everything has worked. >> We are updating to >> Windows 10, Office 2016 and iManage/FileSite 9.3.3.16 which is >> integrated into Outlook 2016. >> >> We cannot get JAWS to read the iManage/FileSite windows. Has anyone >> else had this problem when upgrading to Windows 10 and Office 2016? >> >> Thanks, >> Randy Farber >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier% >> 40gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dbeitz%40wiennergould.com From dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net Tue Jan 23 17:47:58 2018 From: dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net (Daniel McBride) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 11:47:58 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] Second Post Message-ID: <00e601d39472$4ed96910$ec8c3b30$@sbcglobal.net> Dear List: Client is in Texas prison, soon to make parole. TDC needs a place to which to parole her. In previous incarceration, client paroled to a transitional program operated by Catholic Charities. Client seeks admission into their program again. Since her last acceptance into this program, client has become physically handicapped. Catholic Charities has denied client's current admission request. I called the program, spoke with the Sister director of the program. The Sister advised that client's admission was denied because of her handicap that will make it difficult for her to climb the stairs to the second floor Women's Dorm. Is there anything within the Americans With Disabilities Act that would prohibit this action by a charitable organization? Just looking to be pointed in the right direction. Daniel McBride, Attorney Fort Worth, Texas From legal at s.ai Tue Jan 23 17:56:39 2018 From: legal at s.ai (Sai) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 17:56:39 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Second Post In-Reply-To: <00e601d39472$4ed96910$ec8c3b30$@sbcglobal.net> References: <00e601d39472$4ed96910$ec8c3b30$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Do you know if this program receives any state or federal funding, vs being purely church-funded? Sincerely, Sai On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 5:47 PM, Daniel McBride via BlindLaw wrote: > Dear List: > > Client is in Texas prison, soon to make parole. TDC needs a place to which > to parole her. In previous incarceration, client paroled to a transitional > program operated by Catholic Charities. > > Client seeks admission into their program again. Since her last acceptance > into this program, client has become physically handicapped. Catholic > Charities has denied client's current admission request. > > I called the program, spoke with the Sister director of the program. The > Sister advised that client's admission was denied because of her handicap > that will make it difficult for her to climb the stairs to the second floor > Women's Dorm. > > Is there anything within the Americans With Disabilities Act that would > prohibit this action by a charitable organization? Just looking to be > pointed in the right direction. > > Daniel McBride, Attorney > Fort Worth, Texas > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/legal%40s.ai From NSingh at cov.com Tue Jan 23 17:58:17 2018 From: NSingh at cov.com (Singh, Nandini) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 17:58:17 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Second Post In-Reply-To: <00e601d39472$4ed96910$ec8c3b30$@sbcglobal.net> References: <00e601d39472$4ed96910$ec8c3b30$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <72f01855103e4a62b7aa6bc583d5c12a@CBIvEX02eUS.cov.com> I am not an ADA expert, but I found a DOJ guidance letter suggesting that the ADA does not apply to religious organizations nor to public accommodations operated by religious organizations. A link to the guidance letter follows: https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/crt/legacy/2010/12/15/tal057.txt Nandini Singh Covington & Burling LLP One CityCenter, 850 Tenth Street, NW Washington, DC 20001-4956 T +1 202 662 5113 | nsingh at cov.com www.cov.com This message is from a law firm and may contain information that is confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please immediately advise the sender by reply e-mail that this message has been inadvertently transmitted to you and delete this e-mail from your system. Thank you for your cooperation. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Daniel McBride via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 12:48 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Daniel McBride Subject: [blindlaw] Second Post Dear List: Client is in Texas prison, soon to make parole. TDC needs a place to which to parole her. In previous incarceration, client paroled to a transitional program operated by Catholic Charities. Client seeks admission into their program again. Since her last acceptance into this program, client has become physically handicapped. Catholic Charities has denied client's current admission request. I called the program, spoke with the Sister director of the program. The Sister advised that client's admission was denied because of her handicap that will make it difficult for her to climb the stairs to the second floor Women's Dorm. Is there anything within the Americans With Disabilities Act that would prohibit this action by a charitable organization? Just looking to be pointed in the right direction. Daniel McBride, Attorney Fort Worth, Texas _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/nsingh%40cov.com From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Tue Jan 23 19:48:23 2018 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 19:48:23 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Justice Department Settles with Restaurant that Refused Veteran with Service Dog In-Reply-To: <18204052.87@public.govdelivery.com> References: <18204052.87@public.govdelivery.com> Message-ID: From: U.S. Department of Justice [mailto:usdoj at public.govdelivery.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 11:06 AM Subject: Justice Department Settles with Restaurant that Refused Veteran with Service Dog The Justice Department reached an agreement under the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) with the When Pigs Fly BBQ Pit restaurant in Westfield, New York to resolve a complaint under title III of the ADA. The Department's investigation found that the restaurant discriminated against a veteran with PTSD when it refused to seat him and his family in the main dining room because he was accompanied by his service dog. The settlement agreement requires the restaurant to adopt and implement a service dog policy; provide training on the service dog policy to employees and managers; and post the service dog policy at the restaurant and on the restaurant's website and in its advertising. The When Pigs Fly BBQ Pit cooperated with the Department throughout the investigation. People interested in finding out more about the ADA or this agreement can call the toll-free ADA Information Line at 1-800-514-0301 or 1-800-514-0383 (TDD), or access the ADA website at https://www.ada.gov. ________________________________ [Instagram icon] | [FaceBook icon] | [YouTube icon] | [Twitter icon] ________________________________ You have received this e-mail because you have asked to be notified of changes to the U.S. Department of Justice website. GovDelivery is providing this service on behalf of the Department of Justice 950 Pennsylvania Ave., NW * Washington, DC 20530 * 202-514-2000 and may not use your subscription information for any other purposes. Manage your Subscriptions | Department of Justice Privacy Policy | GovDelivery Privacy Policy From legal at s.ai Tue Jan 23 20:01:30 2018 From: legal at s.ai (Sai) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 20:01:30 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Do blind people have a right to visual memory? Message-ID: Consider any of various situations where it is illegal to secretly record video. Customs, courts, etc etc. A sighted person going through those situations would have a visual memory of what they saw. A blind person would not; they wouldn't have access to the same information that the sighted person does (albeit limited by memory). So, could one (winnably) argue that the blind person has a Constitutional *right* to covert video recording, i.e. the right to see and remember what they saw (albeit through the intermediary of a recording), at least for personal or testimonial use? I started thinking about this recently during O&M training. I recorded the training session out of curiosity to see what it was like. I didn't learn until after recording that training session that a street I walk very frequently has a painted-on bike lane on part of the sidewalk. I had absolutely no idea it was there, despite having walked that exact path for months and easily recognizing various parts of it by cane. The painted-on bike lane, and the division between it and the pedestrian part of the sidewalk, just have almost zero perceptible tactile cues, let alone something to indicate "don't walk here". As a result, in that video of my training session, I was blithely walking along the curb side of the sidewalk, smack in the middle of a bike lane. It came as quite a shock to me when I reviewed the video. I've had multiple other experiences where visual memory was critical, like where TSA violated my rights and I needed evidence of who did what. Had I not been recording, I wouldn't have that evidence. So it makes me think: what about establishing a blind person's right to perceive, and recall, the same visual information that a sighted person would have access to in the same situation? (Or likewise for d/Deaf and audio, or psychological issues and memory in general.) Has anyone ever tried this? Sincerely, Sai From NSingh at cov.com Tue Jan 23 20:36:42 2018 From: NSingh at cov.com (Singh, Nandini) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 20:36:42 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Do blind people have a right to visual memory? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7bc7fcce90114554865c505f106791fe@CBIvEX02eUS.cov.com> This is such a cool question! I would have to think about it further, and I hope there are other voices that can add more. I imagine the that perhaps one place to start is identifying which constitutional right is at issue. I think there is an argument for procedural due process under the 14th Amendment. Nandini Singh Covington & Burling LLP One CityCenter, 850 Tenth Street, NW Washington, DC 20001-4956 T +1 202 662 5113 | nsingh at cov.com www.cov.com This message is from a law firm and may contain information that is confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please immediately advise the sender by reply e-mail that this message has been inadvertently transmitted to you and delete this e-mail from your system. Thank you for your cooperation. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sai via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 3:02 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Sai Subject: [blindlaw] Do blind people have a right to visual memory? Consider any of various situations where it is illegal to secretly record video. Customs, courts, etc etc. A sighted person going through those situations would have a visual memory of what they saw. A blind person would not; they wouldn't have access to the same information that the sighted person does (albeit limited by memory). So, could one (winnably) argue that the blind person has a Constitutional *right* to covert video recording, i.e. the right to see and remember what they saw (albeit through the intermediary of a recording), at least for personal or testimonial use? I started thinking about this recently during O&M training. I recorded the training session out of curiosity to see what it was like. I didn't learn until after recording that training session that a street I walk very frequently has a painted-on bike lane on part of the sidewalk. I had absolutely no idea it was there, despite having walked that exact path for months and easily recognizing various parts of it by cane. The painted-on bike lane, and the division between it and the pedestrian part of the sidewalk, just have almost zero perceptible tactile cues, let alone something to indicate "don't walk here". As a result, in that video of my training session, I was blithely walking along the curb side of the sidewalk, smack in the middle of a bike lane. It came as quite a shock to me when I reviewed the video. I've had multiple other experiences where visual memory was critical, like where TSA violated my rights and I needed evidence of who did what. Had I not been recording, I wouldn't have that evidence. So it makes me think: what about establishing a blind person's right to perceive, and recall, the same visual information that a sighted person would have access to in the same situation? (Or likewise for d/Deaf and audio, or psychological issues and memory in general.) Has anyone ever tried this? Sincerely, Sai _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/nsingh%40cov.com From legal at s.ai Tue Jan 23 20:53:20 2018 From: legal at s.ai (Sai) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 20:53:20 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Do blind people have a right to visual memory? In-Reply-To: References: <7bc7fcce90114554865c505f106791fe@CBIvEX02eUS.cov.com> Message-ID: I would also add 14th Amendment rights to liberty, property, and equal protection to the consideration. (Do you have "property" rights to your memory? It's a bizarre framing, I know, but seems fairly tame as IP law goes.) Consider the inverse: suppose there were a drug that could specifically erase someone's visual memory of the last 24 hours. Would it be legal for the government to make someone take it, eg as a condition of going through customs or entering a courthouse? Sincerely, - Sai Sent from my phone; please excuse the concision & autocorrect typos. On Jan 23, 2018 20:36, "Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw" wrote: This is such a cool question! I would have to think about it further, and I hope there are other voices that can add more. I imagine the that perhaps one place to start is identifying which constitutional right is at issue. I think there is an argument for procedural due process under the 14th Amendment. Nandini Singh Covington & Burling LLP One CityCenter, 850 Tenth Street, NW Washington, DC 20001-4956 T +1 202 662 5113 | nsingh at cov.com www.cov.com This message is from a law firm and may contain information that is confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please immediately advise the sender by reply e-mail that this message has been inadvertently transmitted to you and delete this e-mail from your system. Thank you for your cooperation. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sai via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 3:02 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Sai Subject: [blindlaw] Do blind people have a right to visual memory? Consider any of various situations where it is illegal to secretly record video. Customs, courts, etc etc. A sighted person going through those situations would have a visual memory of what they saw. A blind person would not; they wouldn't have access to the same information that the sighted person does (albeit limited by memory). So, could one (winnably) argue that the blind person has a Constitutional *right* to covert video recording, i.e. the right to see and remember what they saw (albeit through the intermediary of a recording), at least for personal or testimonial use? I started thinking about this recently during O&M training. I recorded the training session out of curiosity to see what it was like. I didn't learn until after recording that training session that a street I walk very frequently has a painted-on bike lane on part of the sidewalk. I had absolutely no idea it was there, despite having walked that exact path for months and easily recognizing various parts of it by cane. The painted-on bike lane, and the division between it and the pedestrian part of the sidewalk, just have almost zero perceptible tactile cues, let alone something to indicate "don't walk here". As a result, in that video of my training session, I was blithely walking along the curb side of the sidewalk, smack in the middle of a bike lane. It came as quite a shock to me when I reviewed the video. I've had multiple other experiences where visual memory was critical, like where TSA violated my rights and I needed evidence of who did what. Had I not been recording, I wouldn't have that evidence. So it makes me think: what about establishing a blind person's right to perceive, and recall, the same visual information that a sighted person would have access to in the same situation? (Or likewise for d/Deaf and audio, or psychological issues and memory in general.) Has anyone ever tried this? Sincerely, Sai _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/nsingh%40cov.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/legal%40s.ai From dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 24 03:23:03 2018 From: dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net (Daniel McBride) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2018 21:23:03 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] Do blind people have a right to visual memory? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <012901d394c2$a5ffd710$f1ff8530$@sbcglobal.net> Sai: With all due respect, I am not really sure what your question entails and, given my best impression of your question, I am believing I might have more legitimate issues to worry about. There are those of us who are blind. There are those who are not. I certainly understand the concepts underlying the ADA and a disabled persons right to a fair, and equal, chance at life and what it has to offer. However, within this context, at some point I have to face the fact that I am blind and live with its limitations. Let's say I seek, for example, my constitutional right (?) to be a starting pitcher in major league baseball so I get the chance to experience what sighted persons experience, or to be a starting quarterback in the NFL so I can experience what sighted persons get to experience. Or, I can simply accept the fact that I am blind and realize that a blind person will never pitch in Major League Baseball nor be a starting quarterback in the NFL. I'm sure I navigate places daily that I am unaware are potentially hazardous. In the painted bicycle lane example, if a sighted bicyclist sees a blind person on the shared sidewalk with his/her cane, or guide dog and the cyclist is unwilling to yield to the blind person, then I am more concerned about the cyclists' ability to satisfy my judgment against him/her for any injuries they might cause me. If I understand your question correctly, I believe it falls into the category of being careful what we ask for because we just might get it. And my comment is intended respectfully. Just my two cents worth. And I might be misunderstanding the intent of your question as well. Daniel McBride Fort Worth -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sai via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 2:01 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Sai Subject: [blindlaw] Do blind people have a right to visual memory? Consider any of various situations where it is illegal to secretly record video. Customs, courts, etc etc. A sighted person going through those situations would have a visual memory of what they saw. A blind person would not; they wouldn't have access to the same information that the sighted person does (albeit limited by memory). So, could one (winnably) argue that the blind person has a Constitutional *right* to covert video recording, i.e. the right to see and remember what they saw (albeit through the intermediary of a recording), at least for personal or testimonial use? I started thinking about this recently during O&M training. I recorded the training session out of curiosity to see what it was like. I didn't learn until after recording that training session that a street I walk very frequently has a painted-on bike lane on part of the sidewalk. I had absolutely no idea it was there, despite having walked that exact path for months and easily recognizing various parts of it by cane. The painted-on bike lane, and the division between it and the pedestrian part of the sidewalk, just have almost zero perceptible tactile cues, let alone something to indicate "don't walk here". As a result, in that video of my training session, I was blithely walking along the curb side of the sidewalk, smack in the middle of a bike lane. It came as quite a shock to me when I reviewed the video. I've had multiple other experiences where visual memory was critical, like where TSA violated my rights and I needed evidence of who did what. Had I not been recording, I wouldn't have that evidence. So it makes me think: what about establishing a blind person's right to perceive, and recall, the same visual information that a sighted person would have access to in the same situation? (Or likewise for d/Deaf and audio, or psychological issues and memory in general.) Has anyone ever tried this? Sincerely, Sai _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dlmlaw%40sbcglobal.net From tim at timeldermusic.com Wed Jan 24 15:31:02 2018 From: tim at timeldermusic.com (tim at timeldermusic.com) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 07:31:02 -0800 Subject: [blindlaw] Updating Windows and iManage/FileSite In-Reply-To: <644259f1b5b34ed08ef40abf3cf07fa5@CBIvEX01eUS.cov.com> References: <31F2EE3645B8CB43A190156AB388DF13B940A06F@pdc-exch02.jwllp.com> <31F2EE3645B8CB43A190156AB388DF13B94C2FFC@PDC-EXCH01.jwllp.com> <31F2EE3645B8CB43A190156AB388DF13B94C390D@PDC-EXCH01.jwllp.com> <644259f1b5b34ed08ef40abf3cf07fa5@CBIvEX01eUS.cov.com> Message-ID: <050f01d39528$58471400$08d53c00$@timeldermusic.com> Nandini, I encourage you to talk with the VVT folks. Firm IT is usually pretty unaware of the full scripting capacity of JAWS and Freedom Scientific won't provide that kind of invasive customized support. I've seen these guys build things to make JAWS work that other folks have said could not be done. Almost any program can be made to work with JAWS. It's just a factor of time/money. -----Original Message----- From: Singh, Nandini [mailto:NSingh at cov.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 5:37 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Updating Windows and iManage/FileSite At my firm, we are on Windows 10 with Office 2010. iManage is super difficult to use with JAWS. I know this is and continues to be an issue too complicated for firm IT or Freedom Scientific to handle adequately. For now, I do not use iManage or else should a partner prefer it, request my assistant to save and retrieve documents. Nandini Singh Covington & Burling LLP One CityCenter, 850 Tenth Street, NW Washington, DC 20001-4956 T +1 202 662 5113 | nsingh at cov.com www.cov.com This message is from a law firm and may contain information that is confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please immediately advise the sender by reply e-mail that this message has been inadvertently transmitted to you and delete this e-mail from your system. Thank you for your cooperation. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Farber, Randy via BlindLaw Sent: Monday, January 22, 2018 11:51 PM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: Farber, Randy Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Updating Windows and iManage/FileSite The problems for iManage are very significant. We can't get JAWS to read the windows, so I can't find anything in iManage. The short term work around is for me to keep my Windows 7 and Office 2010 computer. But that can't last long as everyone else is on the new set-up. Randy -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw Sent: Monday, January 22, 2018 10:45 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Gerard Sadlier Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Updating Windows and iManage/FileSite Hi Randy, I use Windows 7 and Office 2010 currently, what I think you said your firm used previously. So, I'm afraid I'm unlikely to be of any help to you. I remain very anxious to hear of any solution you may come up with. Should I come up with a solution, I will let you know also. Do you mind my asking how significant the problems are for you? Would you go back to Windows 7 and Office 2010 if you could? Kind regards Ger On 1/23/18, Farber, Randy via BlindLaw wrote: > Hello All - > > I didn't get any feedback about my problems with iManage/FileSite. > So let me re-ask the question this way. For those of you who use > iManage/FileSite as your document management system, what version of > Windows and what version of Office/Outlook do you use? > > Thanks, > Randy > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > Farber, Randy via BlindLaw > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 9:19 PM > To: Blindlaw Mailinglist (blindlaw at nfbnet.org) > Cc: Farber, Randy > Subject: [blindlaw] Updating Windows and iManage/FileSite > > Our firm is updating our computer software and we can't get JAWS to > work with iManage/FileSite. I believe that there are several of us > who have been using iManage/FileSite as a document management system. > Hoping that you might have solved our problem. > > For years we have been using > Windows 7, Office 2010, and iManage/FileSite integrated into Outlook > 2010 and everything has worked. > We are updating to > Windows 10, Office 2016 and iManage/FileSite 9.3.3.16 which is > integrated into Outlook 2016. > > We cannot get JAWS to read the iManage/FileSite windows. Has anyone > else had this problem when upgrading to Windows 10 and Office 2016? > > Thanks, > Randy Farber > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%4 > 0gmail.com > _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rfarber%40jw.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/nsingh%40cov.com From deepa.goraya at gmail.com Wed Jan 24 15:59:56 2018 From: deepa.goraya at gmail.com (Deepa Goraya) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 10:59:56 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Largest Bar Exam Prep Class Provider Agrees to Settlement Over Allegations of Discrimination Against Blind Students Message-ID: Colleagues, I wanted to share our good news in the resolution of our case against Barbri Bar Review. Below is the press release with the linked complaint and consent decree. Thank you to Claire Stanley, Derek Manners, and Christopher Stewart for their perseverance in resolving this issue, and to Tai Tomasi and all those who first brought this to our attention! DEEPINDER K. GORAYA, ESQ. | Staff Attorney, Disability Rights Project Washington Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights and Urban Affairs 11 Dupont Circle,NW, Suite 400 | Washington, DC 20036 202-319-1000 X132 | Fax 202-319-1010 This email message is from an attorney and may contain information that is confidential, privileged and/or attorney work product. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, please immediately advise the sender that this message was inadvertently transmitted to you and delete this message, along with any attachments. Please note that if you are an attorney who received this email about a prospective client, you must maintain the confidences of the prospective client. 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From: WLC Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 10:48 AM To: WLC > Subject: PRESS RELEASE: Largest Bar Exam Prep Class Provider Agrees to Settlement Over Allegations of Discrimination Against Blind Student Washington Lawyers' Committee Press Release [cid:image002.png at 01D394FC.B43B7020] FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE January 24, 2018 Media Inquiries: Desmond Lee / (646) 517-1826 cohenmilstein at berlinrosen.com Gregg Kelley / (202) 319-1000 Gregg_kelley at washlaw.org LARGEST BAR EXAM PREP CLASS PROVIDER AGREES TO SETTLEMENT OVER ALLEGATIONS OF DISCRIMINATION AGAINST BLIND STUDENTS BarBri, Inc. agrees to revamp core products and internal practices for improved accessibility DALLAS, TEXAS - Blind law students enrolled in a bar exam class offered by BarBri, Inc - host of the country's largest bar prep course -- settled their claims this week alleging the company denied them fair and equal access to critical components of BarBri's test prep offerings, including its mobile application, website and course materials. Despite multiple attempts by the students to alert management to these concerns, the lawsuit alleged the company's actions not only prevented blind students from fully enjoying the resources to which they were contractually entitled, but also undermined their ability to effectively prepare for the bar exam. BarBri agreed as part of a court-enforced consent decree to update its online products using industry-recognized web accessibility guidelines, and to strengthen internal processes, training and staff resources for ensuring compliance with these standards. The plaintiffs are represented by the Washington Lawyers' Committee, Cohen Milstein Sellers & Toll, and the Texas Civil Rights Project. "The bar exam is the final step for entry into the profession and bar review courses have become an essential part of preparing to take the exam," said Jonathan Smith, Executive Director of the Washington Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights and Urban Affairs. "This settlement clears unreasonable and unlawful barriers standing in the way of blind bar exam takers and ensures that the legal profession is open to all." "The settlement marks an important victory for blind students, who despite years of hard work and dedication, often face significant hurdles in achieving their professional and academic dreams," said Shaylyn Cochran, co-counsel for the plaintiffs and a member of the Civil Rights & Employment Practice at Cohen Milstein Sellers & Toll. "Far too often, our society fails to recognize the significant challenges that those with disabilities face, often fueled, as in this case, by the blatant disregard for the rights guaranteed to them by law. We are proud to have helped secure this measure of justice for our clients and hope it strengthens the ability of BarBri and others across the education sector to better serve all students." Dallas-based BarBri Inc offers legal education and certification courses for American and international students and hosts the "BarBri Bar Review", the largest bar exam preparation class in the country. This offering includes traditional, in-person components such as live lectures and classroom sessions, as well as an array of online and mobile-based resources, including practice questions, test guides, chat rooms and digital platforms for providing real-time feedback and assessments. BarBri touts many of these online tools as integral to maximizing the company's offerings and ensuring "peak performance" during the exam. In a 2016 lawsuit filed in Texas federal court, blind law students enrolled in the "Bar Review" course alleged BarBri not only failed to ensure equal and timely access to these digital resources and other course materials, but refused to take corrective action after being notified, inhibiting the students' ability to effectively prepare for the bar exam. The actions, according to the lawsuit, constituted a violation of federal and state laws barring discrimination against individuals with disabilities and mandating that reasonable accommodations be made to improve accessibility. As part of the court-enforced consent decree, BarBri agreed to injunctive remedies aimed at improving accessibility for its core online products, as well as strengthening internal processes for serving customers who are blind or with low vision. This includes modifications to the company's web content, mobile applications, and study tools using the Web Content Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG) - a set of internationally-and industry-recognized standards for ensuring web content is accessible to those with disabilities. Additionally, BarBri has agreed to create new staff and training resources to strengthen compliance with these standards, as well as new internal processes to ensure that requests for accommodations, such as Braille or large-print materials, are handled in a timely and efficient manner. "As a blind professional, I, like many other professionals with disabilities, must often carry a burden of injustice while pursuing my dreams, and that's why I'm proud that my co-plaintiffs and I were able to hold a company like BarBri accountable to all students," said Christopher Stewart, one of the named plaintiffs in the case. "Everyone who seeks to make their world a better place through hard work, diligence, and perseverance should have a fair and equal opportunity to do so. With the consent decree enforceable for the next three years, my co-plaintiffs and I are committed to ensuring BarBri's course is accessible for all. We encourage blind students to seek our help if they experience any challenges or issues, and I look forward to a great user experience when I prepare for a second state's bar exam next year." Individuals who are blind or low vision often rely on screen access software, which either vocalizes information on a computer screen or displays the content on a refreshable Braille display. However, websites and mobile applications must have the proper coding to ensure these components are compatible with talking screen readers. Despite accommodation requests made in advance by the plaintiffs and a notice on BarBri's website guaranteeing compliance with anti-discrimination laws, the 2016 lawsuit detailed wide-ranging technological barriers and functionality issues that undermined the students' ability to access and utilize BarBri's resources. This included the experiences of Claire Stanley, an aspiring disability rights attorney and paying participant in BarBri's bar exam prep course. In 2015, Ms. Stanley often attended live lectures as part of her enrollment in the class, where instructors frequently referenced online components, such as practice tests, study itineraries and personalized assignments. According to the complaint, these resources were not fully accessible to blind students. This included issues with BarBri's online practice exams, which prevented blind students from taking these tests as advised by their instructors, as well as course reading materials that were incompatible with their talking screen access software. The complaint also alleged that many features of BarBri's mobile platform, such as real-time feedback, comparative rankings, and lecture handouts, were largely inaccessible to blind students. Ultimately, the lawsuit alleged these barriers to access had a significant effect on Ms. Stanley's progress in the course, rendering her unable to pass the 2015 bar exam and forcing her to hire another tutor through the company at her expense. The complaint also noted that others faced similar challenges in utilizing the tools they paid for to the fullest extent. Despite both students contacting BarBri staff prior to starting the course, Christopher Stewart and Derek Manners -- graduates of University of Kentucky Law School and Harvard Law School, respectively -- were forced to attend several lectures without receiving accessible materials, placing them at a severe disadvantage compared to their peers. Additionally, Mr. Manners and Mr. Stewart could not properly use the company's mobile application to view course documents, and software coding issues with BarBri's website prevented blind students from accessing "pop-up" alerts or tracking their progress after practice exams. Furthermore, the lawsuit detailed numerous attempts to raise these accessibility concerns with BarBri management, - most notably, the Washington Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights and Urban Affairs, twice sent a letter to BarBri on Ms. Stanley's behalf, but the company failed to respond. According to the lawsuit, BarBri's actions constituted a violation of the Americans with Disabilities Act, enacted in 1990 to combat discrimination against individuals with disabilities. As a "place of education," the lawsuit alleged the company wrongfully denied full and equal access to key components of its bar exam prep course, such as its website and mobile app, for blind participants. 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Today - with dozens of high-caliber attorneys and professionals in Austin, Dallas, El Paso, Houston, and the Rio Grande Valley and an extensive network of pro bono counsel and community allies -TCRP is among the most influential civil rights organizations in the Lone Star State. From lmendez716 at gmail.com Wed Jan 24 16:08:07 2018 From: lmendez716 at gmail.com (Luis Mendez) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 11:08:07 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Do blind people have a right to visual memory? In-Reply-To: <012901d394c2$a5ffd710$f1ff8530$@sbcglobal.net> References: <012901d394c2$a5ffd710$f1ff8530$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <007a01d3952d$86580a20$93081e60$@gmail.com> Good morning: An interesting question indeed, but one with a relatively straight forward answer. Every person may well enjoy a protected right to memory, a right no different than the general right to be free from unwarranted physical intrusion by either the government or persons acting under color of law. That doesn't create an automatic right to record every conceivable transaction whether that recording is visual or audio. We all have to rely on our often less than perfect recollection of day-to-day life, whether we experience life visually, auditorily or both. Being blind doesn't or shouldn't create an expectation of more favorable treatment, unless the exception is a necessary aspect of a reasonable accommodation. I.E. being allowed to retain access to a laptop and/or braille notetaker while in court. Luis -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Daniel McBride via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 10:23 PM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: Daniel McBride Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Do blind people have a right to visual memory? Sai: With all due respect, I am not really sure what your question entails and, given my best impression of your question, I am believing I might have more legitimate issues to worry about. There are those of us who are blind. There are those who are not. I certainly understand the concepts underlying the ADA and a disabled persons right to a fair, and equal, chance at life and what it has to offer. However, within this context, at some point I have to face the fact that I am blind and live with its limitations. Let's say I seek, for example, my constitutional right (?) to be a starting pitcher in major league baseball so I get the chance to experience what sighted persons experience, or to be a starting quarterback in the NFL so I can experience what sighted persons get to experience. Or, I can simply accept the fact that I am blind and realize that a blind person will never pitch in Major League Baseball nor be a starting quarterback in the NFL. I'm sure I navigate places daily that I am unaware are potentially hazardous. In the painted bicycle lane example, if a sighted bicyclist sees a blind person on the shared sidewalk with his/her cane, or guide dog and the cyclist is unwilling to yield to the blind person, then I am more concerned about the cyclists' ability to satisfy my judgment against him/her for any injuries they might cause me. If I understand your question correctly, I believe it falls into the category of being careful what we ask for because we just might get it. And my comment is intended respectfully. Just my two cents worth. And I might be misunderstanding the intent of your question as well. Daniel McBride Fort Worth -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sai via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 2:01 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Sai Subject: [blindlaw] Do blind people have a right to visual memory? Consider any of various situations where it is illegal to secretly record video. Customs, courts, etc etc. A sighted person going through those situations would have a visual memory of what they saw. A blind person would not; they wouldn't have access to the same information that the sighted person does (albeit limited by memory). So, could one (winnably) argue that the blind person has a Constitutional *right* to covert video recording, i.e. the right to see and remember what they saw (albeit through the intermediary of a recording), at least for personal or testimonial use? I started thinking about this recently during O&M training. I recorded the training session out of curiosity to see what it was like. I didn't learn until after recording that training session that a street I walk very frequently has a painted-on bike lane on part of the sidewalk. I had absolutely no idea it was there, despite having walked that exact path for months and easily recognizing various parts of it by cane. The painted-on bike lane, and the division between it and the pedestrian part of the sidewalk, just have almost zero perceptible tactile cues, let alone something to indicate "don't walk here". As a result, in that video of my training session, I was blithely walking along the curb side of the sidewalk, smack in the middle of a bike lane. It came as quite a shock to me when I reviewed the video. I've had multiple other experiences where visual memory was critical, like where TSA violated my rights and I needed evidence of who did what. Had I not been recording, I wouldn't have that evidence. So it makes me think: what about establishing a blind person's right to perceive, and recall, the same visual information that a sighted person would have access to in the same situation? (Or likewise for d/Deaf and audio, or psychological issues and memory in general.) Has anyone ever tried this? Sincerely, Sai _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dlmlaw%40sbcglobal.net _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com Wed Jan 24 16:31:14 2018 From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 22:01:14 +0530 Subject: [blindlaw] Do blind people have a right to visual memory? In-Reply-To: <007a01d3952d$86580a20$93081e60$@gmail.com> References: <012901d394c2$a5ffd710$f1ff8530$@sbcglobal.net> <007a01d3952d$86580a20$93081e60$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <22E03B45-C789-497C-8B66-6577028946E9@gmail.com> Sai, A very interesting question indeed. While I am not qualified to address this question from the standpoint of American law, I think blind people definitely have the right to demand that information that is exclusively accessible to those possessing the sense of sight be made available to them in an alternative format. For instance, pictures and maps. However, insofar as your specific question is concerned, I think it is whether the blind should have the right to demand that everything in their surroundings be conveyed to them in an accessible format in order to ensure that they do not miss out on accessing critical visual information. I am not sure if such an omnibus right would serve any useful purpose. Not only would this be a difficult proposition from a logistical standpoint, but given the limited room that the disabled have to demand reasonable accommodation, as Daniel indicated, I think that there are other issues that merit far greater attention. So I would submit that such a right should remain confined to information that is exclusively visual, as I said earlier. Best, Rahulz Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 24, 2018, at 9:38 PM, Luis Mendez via BlindLaw wrote: > > Good morning: > > An interesting question indeed, but one with a relatively straight forward > answer. Every person may well enjoy a protected right to memory, a right no > different than the general right to be free from unwarranted physical > intrusion by either the government or persons acting under color of law. > That doesn't create an automatic right to record every conceivable > transaction whether that recording is visual or audio. We all have to rely > on our often less than perfect recollection of day-to-day life, whether we > experience life visually, auditorily or both. Being blind doesn't or > shouldn't create an expectation of more favorable treatment, unless the > exception is a necessary aspect of a reasonable accommodation. I.E. being > allowed to retain access to a laptop and/or braille notetaker while in > court. > > > Luis > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Daniel > McBride via BlindLaw > Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 10:23 PM > To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' > Cc: Daniel McBride > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Do blind people have a right to visual memory? > > Sai: > > With all due respect, I am not really sure what your question entails and, > given my best impression of your question, I am believing I might have more > legitimate issues to worry about. > > There are those of us who are blind. There are those who are not. I > certainly understand the concepts underlying the ADA and a disabled persons > right to a fair, and equal, chance at life and what it has to offer. > However, within this context, at some point I have to face the fact that I > am blind and live with its limitations. > > Let's say I seek, for example, my constitutional right (?) to be a starting > pitcher in major league baseball so I get the chance to experience what > sighted persons experience, or to be a starting quarterback in the NFL so I > can experience what sighted persons get to experience. Or, I can simply > accept the fact that I am blind and realize that a blind person will never > pitch in Major League Baseball nor be a starting quarterback in the NFL. > > I'm sure I navigate places daily that I am unaware are potentially > hazardous. In the painted bicycle lane example, if a sighted bicyclist sees > a blind person on the shared sidewalk with his/her cane, or guide dog and > the cyclist is unwilling to yield to the blind person, then I am more > concerned about the cyclists' ability to satisfy my judgment against him/her > for any injuries they might cause me. > > If I understand your question correctly, I believe it falls into the > category of being careful what we ask for because we just might get it. > > And my comment is intended respectfully. Just my two cents worth. And I > might be misunderstanding the intent of your question as well. > > Daniel McBride > Fort Worth > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sai via > BlindLaw > Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 2:01 PM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Sai > Subject: [blindlaw] Do blind people have a right to visual memory? > > Consider any of various situations where it is illegal to secretly record > video. Customs, courts, etc etc. > > A sighted person going through those situations would have a visual memory > of what they saw. A blind person would not; they wouldn't have access to the > same information that the sighted person does (albeit limited by memory). > > So, could one (winnably) argue that the blind person has a Constitutional > *right* to covert video recording, i.e. the right to see and remember what > they saw (albeit through the intermediary of a recording), at least for > personal or testimonial use? > > > I started thinking about this recently during O&M training. I recorded the > training session out of curiosity to see what it was like. > > I didn't learn until after recording that training session that a street I > walk very frequently has a painted-on bike lane on part of the sidewalk. > > I had absolutely no idea it was there, despite having walked that exact path > for months and easily recognizing various parts of it by cane. The > painted-on bike lane, and the division between it and the pedestrian part of > the sidewalk, just have almost zero perceptible tactile cues, let alone > something to indicate "don't walk here". > > As a result, in that video of my training session, I was blithely walking > along the curb side of the sidewalk, smack in the middle of a bike lane. It > came as quite a shock to me when I reviewed the video. > > I've had multiple other experiences where visual memory was critical, like > where TSA violated my rights and I needed evidence of who did what. Had I > not been recording, I wouldn't have that evidence. > > > So it makes me think: what about establishing a blind person's right to > perceive, and recall, the same visual information that a sighted person > would have access to in the same situation? (Or likewise for d/Deaf and > audio, or psychological issues and memory in general.) > > Has anyone ever tried this? > > Sincerely, > Sai > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dlmlaw%40sbcglobal.net > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rahul.bajaj1038%40gmail.com From legal at s.ai Wed Jan 24 18:04:50 2018 From: legal at s.ai (Sai) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 18:04:50 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Do blind people have a right to visual memory? In-Reply-To: <012901d394c2$a5ffd710$f1ff8530$@sbcglobal.net> References: <012901d394c2$a5ffd710$f1ff8530$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: I think you took me to mean something a bit different than I intended. Yes, there are things that just aren't going to change, and we have to deal with that, as well as have legal protections as fallbacks. For instance, as you mentioned, there's absolute right of way for cane users. I've certainly had my share of navigation issues (like I said) where I probably could've done better had I been in a better state and with better skills, but I wasn't, so had to rely on that. (Thankfully I've never been run into by anything worse than a clueless pedestrian, but I sure as hell would want the other person to pay if that happened, even if I was in the bike lane or whatever.) However, my point was about situations where there *are* potential remedies available, but they are legally restricted by default, like recording. I'm not proposing that the government (or third parties) would have the burden of paying for such things; I think ADA-style accommodations are a pretty good balance. Rather, I want the government to not punish me (or threaten to) for recording whenever and wherever I want. A sighted person in the same situation would have had the opportunity to see and remember what they saw. I can mimic that ability using a pair of sunglasses with a hidden camera in them. (I actually have a pair.) But even when I'm totally taking on that burden of accommodating myself, right now, I might be prohibited from doing so. Most courts, for instance, ban all recording. But suppose I'm arguing at a hearing, or a jury trial. A sighted lawyer in my position would be able to remember how the judge or jury reacted emotionally to various things, and use that knowledge when preparing for the next hearing. I would not be able to do that... unless I can record it. So on what basis could I argue for the right to record it? Or, to put the converse again: would it be legal for the court to say everyone entering the court has to wear a blindfold? Would it be legal for a judge to say that opposing counsel, in my particular case, has to wear a blindfold at all times during my case? I think the answer to both of those is clearly 'no'. So why is it legal for the court to prohibit me from recording, since that's the next best thing to vision that I have available to me? This question doesn't really get at accommodations in general, i.e. affirmative steps that others have to take. Those are of course the much more common scenario. This only gets at a challenge to prohibitions on what you could do now, but would be punished for doing. The closest "normal" thing I can think of that's like this question is jaywalking. Presumably cane users have a right to jaywalk, even though that's otherwise a crime, without fear of any government punishment for doing so. Sincerely, Sai On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 3:23 AM, Daniel McBride via BlindLaw wrote: > Sai: > > With all due respect, I am not really sure what your question entails and, > given my best impression of your question, I am believing I might have more > legitimate issues to worry about. > > There are those of us who are blind. There are those who are not. I > certainly understand the concepts underlying the ADA and a disabled persons > right to a fair, and equal, chance at life and what it has to offer. > However, within this context, at some point I have to face the fact that I > am blind and live with its limitations. > > Let's say I seek, for example, my constitutional right (?) to be a starting > pitcher in major league baseball so I get the chance to experience what > sighted persons experience, or to be a starting quarterback in the NFL so I > can experience what sighted persons get to experience. Or, I can simply > accept the fact that I am blind and realize that a blind person will never > pitch in Major League Baseball nor be a starting quarterback in the NFL. > > I'm sure I navigate places daily that I am unaware are potentially > hazardous. In the painted bicycle lane example, if a sighted bicyclist sees > a blind person on the shared sidewalk with his/her cane, or guide dog and > the cyclist is unwilling to yield to the blind person, then I am more > concerned about the cyclists' ability to satisfy my judgment against him/her > for any injuries they might cause me. > > If I understand your question correctly, I believe it falls into the > category of being careful what we ask for because we just might get it. > > And my comment is intended respectfully. Just my two cents worth. And I > might be misunderstanding the intent of your question as well. > > Daniel McBride > Fort Worth > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sai via > BlindLaw > Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 2:01 PM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Sai > Subject: [blindlaw] Do blind people have a right to visual memory? > > Consider any of various situations where it is illegal to secretly record > video. Customs, courts, etc etc. > > A sighted person going through those situations would have a visual memory > of what they saw. A blind person would not; they wouldn't have access to the > same information that the sighted person does (albeit limited by memory). > > So, could one (winnably) argue that the blind person has a Constitutional > *right* to covert video recording, i.e. the right to see and remember what > they saw (albeit through the intermediary of a recording), at least for > personal or testimonial use? > > > I started thinking about this recently during O&M training. I recorded the > training session out of curiosity to see what it was like. > > I didn't learn until after recording that training session that a street I > walk very frequently has a painted-on bike lane on part of the sidewalk. > > I had absolutely no idea it was there, despite having walked that exact path > for months and easily recognizing various parts of it by cane. The > painted-on bike lane, and the division between it and the pedestrian part of > the sidewalk, just have almost zero perceptible tactile cues, let alone > something to indicate "don't walk here". > > As a result, in that video of my training session, I was blithely walking > along the curb side of the sidewalk, smack in the middle of a bike lane. It > came as quite a shock to me when I reviewed the video. > > I've had multiple other experiences where visual memory was critical, like > where TSA violated my rights and I needed evidence of who did what. Had I > not been recording, I wouldn't have that evidence. > > > So it makes me think: what about establishing a blind person's right to > perceive, and recall, the same visual information that a sighted person > would have access to in the same situation? (Or likewise for d/Deaf and > audio, or psychological issues and memory in general.) > > Has anyone ever tried this? > > Sincerely, > Sai > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dlmlaw%40sbcglobal.net > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/legal%40s.ai From kelbycarlson at gmail.com Wed Jan 24 18:08:12 2018 From: kelbycarlson at gmail.com (Kelby Carlson) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 13:08:12 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Themis Course Message-ID: <9a21bdd0-7808-5348-7b8f-717dd82bee93@gmail.com> Can anyone confirm the accessibility or lack thereof of the Themis bar prep courses? From jmccarthy at mdtap.org Wed Jan 24 18:16:52 2018 From: jmccarthy at mdtap.org (Jim McCarthy) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 13:16:52 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] Do blind people have a right to visual memory? In-Reply-To: References: <012901d394c2$a5ffd710$f1ff8530$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <034101d3953f$82748930$875d9b90$@mdtap.org> So to me this is an interesting question about a right of people to visual memory. It has me more interesting to see something like AIRA. What is mean is this: A blind person is working with an AIRA agent while traveling; there is an accident involving the blind person, hit by a car, gets hurt from a trip and fall on degraded sidewalk or who knows? The AIRA interaction will be of interest to many in that instance. I am not practicing but that seems like it could be an important evidentiary question about admissibility that we would not have confronted in times past, one we will receive at some point. Jim McCarthy -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sai via BlindLaw Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 1:05 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Sai Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Do blind people have a right to visual memory? I think you took me to mean something a bit different than I intended. Yes, there are things that just aren't going to change, and we have to deal with that, as well as have legal protections as fallbacks. For instance, as you mentioned, there's absolute right of way for cane users. I've certainly had my share of navigation issues (like I said) where I probably could've done better had I been in a better state and with better skills, but I wasn't, so had to rely on that. (Thankfully I've never been run into by anything worse than a clueless pedestrian, but I sure as hell would want the other person to pay if that happened, even if I was in the bike lane or whatever.) However, my point was about situations where there *are* potential remedies available, but they are legally restricted by default, like recording. I'm not proposing that the government (or third parties) would have the burden of paying for such things; I think ADA-style accommodations are a pretty good balance. Rather, I want the government to not punish me (or threaten to) for recording whenever and wherever I want. A sighted person in the same situation would have had the opportunity to see and remember what they saw. I can mimic that ability using a pair of sunglasses with a hidden camera in them. (I actually have a pair.) But even when I'm totally taking on that burden of accommodating myself, right now, I might be prohibited from doing so. Most courts, for instance, ban all recording. But suppose I'm arguing at a hearing, or a jury trial. A sighted lawyer in my position would be able to remember how the judge or jury reacted emotionally to various things, and use that knowledge when preparing for the next hearing. I would not be able to do that... unless I can record it. So on what basis could I argue for the right to record it? Or, to put the converse again: would it be legal for the court to say everyone entering the court has to wear a blindfold? Would it be legal for a judge to say that opposing counsel, in my particular case, has to wear a blindfold at all times during my case? I think the answer to both of those is clearly 'no'. So why is it legal for the court to prohibit me from recording, since that's the next best thing to vision that I have available to me? This question doesn't really get at accommodations in general, i.e. affirmative steps that others have to take. Those are of course the much more common scenario. This only gets at a challenge to prohibitions on what you could do now, but would be punished for doing. The closest "normal" thing I can think of that's like this question is jaywalking. Presumably cane users have a right to jaywalk, even though that's otherwise a crime, without fear of any government punishment for doing so. Sincerely, Sai On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 3:23 AM, Daniel McBride via BlindLaw wrote: > Sai: > > With all due respect, I am not really sure what your question entails > and, given my best impression of your question, I am believing I might > have more legitimate issues to worry about. > > There are those of us who are blind. There are those who are not. I > certainly understand the concepts underlying the ADA and a disabled > persons right to a fair, and equal, chance at life and what it has to offer. > However, within this context, at some point I have to face the fact > that I am blind and live with its limitations. > > Let's say I seek, for example, my constitutional right (?) to be a > starting pitcher in major league baseball so I get the chance to > experience what sighted persons experience, or to be a starting > quarterback in the NFL so I can experience what sighted persons get to > experience. Or, I can simply accept the fact that I am blind and > realize that a blind person will never pitch in Major League Baseball nor be a starting quarterback in the NFL. > > I'm sure I navigate places daily that I am unaware are potentially > hazardous. In the painted bicycle lane example, if a sighted bicyclist > sees a blind person on the shared sidewalk with his/her cane, or guide > dog and the cyclist is unwilling to yield to the blind person, then I > am more concerned about the cyclists' ability to satisfy my judgment > against him/her for any injuries they might cause me. > > If I understand your question correctly, I believe it falls into the > category of being careful what we ask for because we just might get it. > > And my comment is intended respectfully. Just my two cents worth. And > I might be misunderstanding the intent of your question as well. > > Daniel McBride > Fort Worth > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sai > via BlindLaw > Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 2:01 PM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Sai > Subject: [blindlaw] Do blind people have a right to visual memory? > > Consider any of various situations where it is illegal to secretly > record video. Customs, courts, etc etc. > > A sighted person going through those situations would have a visual > memory of what they saw. A blind person would not; they wouldn't have > access to the same information that the sighted person does (albeit limited by memory). > > So, could one (winnably) argue that the blind person has a > Constitutional > *right* to covert video recording, i.e. the right to see and remember > what they saw (albeit through the intermediary of a recording), at > least for personal or testimonial use? > > > I started thinking about this recently during O&M training. I recorded > the training session out of curiosity to see what it was like. > > I didn't learn until after recording that training session that a > street I walk very frequently has a painted-on bike lane on part of the sidewalk. > > I had absolutely no idea it was there, despite having walked that > exact path for months and easily recognizing various parts of it by > cane. The painted-on bike lane, and the division between it and the > pedestrian part of the sidewalk, just have almost zero perceptible > tactile cues, let alone something to indicate "don't walk here". > > As a result, in that video of my training session, I was blithely > walking along the curb side of the sidewalk, smack in the middle of a > bike lane. It came as quite a shock to me when I reviewed the video. > > I've had multiple other experiences where visual memory was critical, > like where TSA violated my rights and I needed evidence of who did > what. Had I not been recording, I wouldn't have that evidence. > > > So it makes me think: what about establishing a blind person's right > to perceive, and recall, the same visual information that a sighted > person would have access to in the same situation? (Or likewise for > d/Deaf and audio, or psychological issues and memory in general.) > > Has anyone ever tried this? > > Sincerely, > Sai > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dlmlaw%40sbcglob > al.net > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/legal%40s.ai _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jmccarthy%40mdtap.org From legal at s.ai Wed Jan 24 18:56:27 2018 From: legal at s.ai (Sai) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 18:56:27 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Do blind people have a right to visual memory? In-Reply-To: <034101d3953f$82748930$875d9b90$@mdtap.org> References: <012901d394c2$a5ffd710$f1ff8530$@sbcglobal.net> <034101d3953f$82748930$875d9b90$@mdtap.org> Message-ID: I'm not familiar with the AIRA. Could you elaborate? How is this different from your generic slip & fall tort situation where someone might have video evidence? Sincerely, Sai On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 6:16 PM, Jim McCarthy via BlindLaw wrote: > So to me this is an interesting question about a right of people to visual > memory. It has me more interesting to see something like AIRA. What is mean > is this: > A blind person is working with an AIRA agent while traveling; there is an > accident involving the blind person, hit by a car, gets hurt from a trip and > fall on degraded sidewalk or who knows? The AIRA interaction will be of > interest to many in that instance. I am not practicing but that seems like > it could be an important evidentiary question about admissibility that we > would not have confronted in times past, one we will receive at some point. > Jim McCarthy > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sai via > BlindLaw > Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 1:05 PM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Sai > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Do blind people have a right to visual memory? > > I think you took me to mean something a bit different than I intended. > > Yes, there are things that just aren't going to change, and we have to deal > with that, as well as have legal protections as fallbacks. For instance, as > you mentioned, there's absolute right of way for cane users. I've certainly > had my share of navigation issues (like I said) where I probably could've > done better had I been in a better state and with better skills, but I > wasn't, so had to rely on that. (Thankfully I've never been run into by > anything worse than a clueless pedestrian, but I sure as hell would want the > other person to pay if that happened, even if I was in the bike lane or > whatever.) > > However, my point was about situations where there *are* potential remedies > available, but they are legally restricted by default, like recording. > > I'm not proposing that the government (or third parties) would have the > burden of paying for such things; I think ADA-style accommodations are a > pretty good balance. > > Rather, I want the government to not punish me (or threaten to) for > recording whenever and wherever I want. A sighted person in the same > situation would have had the opportunity to see and remember what they saw. > I can mimic that ability using a pair of sunglasses with a hidden camera in > them. (I actually have a pair.) > > But even when I'm totally taking on that burden of accommodating myself, > right now, I might be prohibited from doing so. > > > Most courts, for instance, ban all recording. But suppose I'm arguing at a > hearing, or a jury trial. A sighted lawyer in my position would be able to > remember how the judge or jury reacted emotionally to various things, and > use that knowledge when preparing for the next hearing. I would not be able > to do that... unless I can record it. > > So on what basis could I argue for the right to record it? > > Or, to put the converse again: would it be legal for the court to say > everyone entering the court has to wear a blindfold? Would it be legal for a > judge to say that opposing counsel, in my particular case, has to wear a > blindfold at all times during my case? > > I think the answer to both of those is clearly 'no'. So why is it legal for > the court to prohibit me from recording, since that's the next best thing to > vision that I have available to me? > > > This question doesn't really get at accommodations in general, i.e. > affirmative steps that others have to take. Those are of course the much > more common scenario. > > This only gets at a challenge to prohibitions on what you could do now, but > would be punished for doing. > > The closest "normal" thing I can think of that's like this question is > jaywalking. Presumably cane users have a right to jaywalk, even though > that's otherwise a crime, without fear of any government punishment for > doing so. > > Sincerely, > Sai > > > On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 3:23 AM, Daniel McBride via BlindLaw > wrote: >> Sai: >> >> With all due respect, I am not really sure what your question entails >> and, given my best impression of your question, I am believing I might >> have more legitimate issues to worry about. >> >> There are those of us who are blind. There are those who are not. I >> certainly understand the concepts underlying the ADA and a disabled >> persons right to a fair, and equal, chance at life and what it has to > offer. >> However, within this context, at some point I have to face the fact >> that I am blind and live with its limitations. >> >> Let's say I seek, for example, my constitutional right (?) to be a >> starting pitcher in major league baseball so I get the chance to >> experience what sighted persons experience, or to be a starting >> quarterback in the NFL so I can experience what sighted persons get to >> experience. Or, I can simply accept the fact that I am blind and >> realize that a blind person will never pitch in Major League Baseball nor > be a starting quarterback in the NFL. >> >> I'm sure I navigate places daily that I am unaware are potentially >> hazardous. In the painted bicycle lane example, if a sighted bicyclist >> sees a blind person on the shared sidewalk with his/her cane, or guide >> dog and the cyclist is unwilling to yield to the blind person, then I >> am more concerned about the cyclists' ability to satisfy my judgment >> against him/her for any injuries they might cause me. >> >> If I understand your question correctly, I believe it falls into the >> category of being careful what we ask for because we just might get it. >> >> And my comment is intended respectfully. Just my two cents worth. And >> I might be misunderstanding the intent of your question as well. >> >> Daniel McBride >> Fort Worth >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sai >> via BlindLaw >> Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 2:01 PM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Cc: Sai >> Subject: [blindlaw] Do blind people have a right to visual memory? >> >> Consider any of various situations where it is illegal to secretly >> record video. Customs, courts, etc etc. >> >> A sighted person going through those situations would have a visual >> memory of what they saw. A blind person would not; they wouldn't have >> access to the same information that the sighted person does (albeit > limited by memory). >> >> So, could one (winnably) argue that the blind person has a >> Constitutional >> *right* to covert video recording, i.e. the right to see and remember >> what they saw (albeit through the intermediary of a recording), at >> least for personal or testimonial use? >> >> >> I started thinking about this recently during O&M training. I recorded >> the training session out of curiosity to see what it was like. >> >> I didn't learn until after recording that training session that a >> street I walk very frequently has a painted-on bike lane on part of the > sidewalk. >> >> I had absolutely no idea it was there, despite having walked that >> exact path for months and easily recognizing various parts of it by >> cane. The painted-on bike lane, and the division between it and the >> pedestrian part of the sidewalk, just have almost zero perceptible >> tactile cues, let alone something to indicate "don't walk here". >> >> As a result, in that video of my training session, I was blithely >> walking along the curb side of the sidewalk, smack in the middle of a >> bike lane. It came as quite a shock to me when I reviewed the video. >> >> I've had multiple other experiences where visual memory was critical, >> like where TSA violated my rights and I needed evidence of who did >> what. Had I not been recording, I wouldn't have that evidence. >> >> >> So it makes me think: what about establishing a blind person's right >> to perceive, and recall, the same visual information that a sighted >> person would have access to in the same situation? (Or likewise for >> d/Deaf and audio, or psychological issues and memory in general.) >> >> Has anyone ever tried this? >> >> Sincerely, >> Sai >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dlmlaw%40sbcglob >> al.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/legal%40s.ai > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jmccarthy%40mdtap.org > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/legal%40s.ai From lmendez716 at gmail.com Wed Jan 24 20:27:17 2018 From: lmendez716 at gmail.com (Luis Mendez) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 15:27:17 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Do blind people have a right to visual memory? In-Reply-To: References: <012901d394c2$a5ffd710$f1ff8530$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <00f001d39551$bb6ed990$324c8cb0$@gmail.com> Perhaps I am mistaken, but wouldn't you need/want that information as the trial/hearing is unfolding? If so, non-visual clues, perhaps supplemented by input from a well trained and trusted second chair could prove of more benefit than a recording. You would have both immediate feedback and the memories. It's an interesting discussion, but in the end, memories are made up of the sum and substance of our perceptions. Perhaps I am missing the point. If so, I apologize if my responses seem indifferent to the point you are trying to make or have caused offense. Luis -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sai via BlindLaw Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 1:05 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Sai Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Do blind people have a right to visual memory? I think you took me to mean something a bit different than I intended. Yes, there are things that just aren't going to change, and we have to deal with that, as well as have legal protections as fallbacks. For instance, as you mentioned, there's absolute right of way for cane users. I've certainly had my share of navigation issues (like I said) where I probably could've done better had I been in a better state and with better skills, but I wasn't, so had to rely on that. (Thankfully I've never been run into by anything worse than a clueless pedestrian, but I sure as hell would want the other person to pay if that happened, even if I was in the bike lane or whatever.) However, my point was about situations where there *are* potential remedies available, but they are legally restricted by default, like recording. I'm not proposing that the government (or third parties) would have the burden of paying for such things; I think ADA-style accommodations are a pretty good balance. Rather, I want the government to not punish me (or threaten to) for recording whenever and wherever I want. A sighted person in the same situation would have had the opportunity to see and remember what they saw. I can mimic that ability using a pair of sunglasses with a hidden camera in them. (I actually have a pair.) But even when I'm totally taking on that burden of accommodating myself, right now, I might be prohibited from doing so. Most courts, for instance, ban all recording. But suppose I'm arguing at a hearing, or a jury trial. A sighted lawyer in my position would be able to remember how the judge or jury reacted emotionally to various things, and use that knowledge when preparing for the next hearing. I would not be able to do that... unless I can record it. So on what basis could I argue for the right to record it? Or, to put the converse again: would it be legal for the court to say everyone entering the court has to wear a blindfold? Would it be legal for a judge to say that opposing counsel, in my particular case, has to wear a blindfold at all times during my case? I think the answer to both of those is clearly 'no'. So why is it legal for the court to prohibit me from recording, since that's the next best thing to vision that I have available to me? This question doesn't really get at accommodations in general, i.e. affirmative steps that others have to take. Those are of course the much more common scenario. This only gets at a challenge to prohibitions on what you could do now, but would be punished for doing. The closest "normal" thing I can think of that's like this question is jaywalking. Presumably cane users have a right to jaywalk, even though that's otherwise a crime, without fear of any government punishment for doing so. Sincerely, Sai On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 3:23 AM, Daniel McBride via BlindLaw wrote: > Sai: > > With all due respect, I am not really sure what your question entails > and, given my best impression of your question, I am believing I might > have more legitimate issues to worry about. > > There are those of us who are blind. There are those who are not. I > certainly understand the concepts underlying the ADA and a disabled > persons right to a fair, and equal, chance at life and what it has to offer. > However, within this context, at some point I have to face the fact > that I am blind and live with its limitations. > > Let's say I seek, for example, my constitutional right (?) to be a > starting pitcher in major league baseball so I get the chance to > experience what sighted persons experience, or to be a starting > quarterback in the NFL so I can experience what sighted persons get to > experience. Or, I can simply accept the fact that I am blind and > realize that a blind person will never pitch in Major League Baseball nor be a starting quarterback in the NFL. > > I'm sure I navigate places daily that I am unaware are potentially > hazardous. In the painted bicycle lane example, if a sighted bicyclist > sees a blind person on the shared sidewalk with his/her cane, or guide > dog and the cyclist is unwilling to yield to the blind person, then I > am more concerned about the cyclists' ability to satisfy my judgment > against him/her for any injuries they might cause me. > > If I understand your question correctly, I believe it falls into the > category of being careful what we ask for because we just might get it. > > And my comment is intended respectfully. Just my two cents worth. And > I might be misunderstanding the intent of your question as well. > > Daniel McBride > Fort Worth > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sai > via BlindLaw > Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 2:01 PM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Sai > Subject: [blindlaw] Do blind people have a right to visual memory? > > Consider any of various situations where it is illegal to secretly > record video. Customs, courts, etc etc. > > A sighted person going through those situations would have a visual > memory of what they saw. A blind person would not; they wouldn't have > access to the same information that the sighted person does (albeit limited by memory). > > So, could one (winnably) argue that the blind person has a > Constitutional > *right* to covert video recording, i.e. the right to see and remember > what they saw (albeit through the intermediary of a recording), at > least for personal or testimonial use? > > > I started thinking about this recently during O&M training. I recorded > the training session out of curiosity to see what it was like. > > I didn't learn until after recording that training session that a > street I walk very frequently has a painted-on bike lane on part of the sidewalk. > > I had absolutely no idea it was there, despite having walked that > exact path for months and easily recognizing various parts of it by > cane. The painted-on bike lane, and the division between it and the > pedestrian part of the sidewalk, just have almost zero perceptible > tactile cues, let alone something to indicate "don't walk here". > > As a result, in that video of my training session, I was blithely > walking along the curb side of the sidewalk, smack in the middle of a > bike lane. It came as quite a shock to me when I reviewed the video. > > I've had multiple other experiences where visual memory was critical, > like where TSA violated my rights and I needed evidence of who did > what. Had I not been recording, I wouldn't have that evidence. > > > So it makes me think: what about establishing a blind person's right > to perceive, and recall, the same visual information that a sighted > person would have access to in the same situation? (Or likewise for > d/Deaf and audio, or psychological issues and memory in general.) > > Has anyone ever tried this? > > Sincerely, > Sai > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dlmlaw%40sbcglob > al.net > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/legal%40s.ai _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Wed Jan 24 21:20:33 2018 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 21:20:33 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] FW: [WADA] Fwd: Job posting for WADA members In-Reply-To: References: <017901d3954b$ba6ae5d0$2f40b170$@snocolegal.org> Message-ID: From: washingtonattorneyswithdisabilitiesassociation at googlegroups.com [mailto:washingtonattorneyswithdisabilitiesassociation at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Conrad Reynoldson Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 1:02 PM To: WashingtonAttorneyswithDisabilitiesAssociation at googlegroups.com Subject: [WADA] Fwd: Job posting for WADA members Snohomish County Legal Services is seeking to hire a full time staff attorney position at our non-profit legal aid organization. I would very much like to post this position to the Washington Attorneys with Disabilities Association’s membership! I have attached the job announcement, anything you can do to help get this out to your members would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance for your consideration! Very truly yours, Benjamin J. Haslam Executive Director Snohomish County Legal Services benjaminh at snocolegal.org P: 425.258.9283 ext. 32 F: 425.259.2906 This electronic mail communication may contain privileged and confidential attorney/client communications and/or lawyer work product. If you have received this communication in error or are not the intended recipient, please delete it without using, copying or disseminating it and notify the sender that you have received it in error. 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Name: 2018 SCLS Staff Attorney Job Posting.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 438081 bytes Desc: 2018 SCLS Staff Attorney Job Posting.pdf URL: From chris.stewart at uky.edu Wed Jan 24 21:41:23 2018 From: chris.stewart at uky.edu (Stewart, Christopher K) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 15:41:23 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] Do Blind People Have a Right to Visual Memory Message-ID: This is a great question. My best guess is that a person could likely argue that someone has such a right under the ADA, assuming the accommodation is reasonable, obviously. I don't imagine, for instance, that it would be a reasonable accommodation to video your fellow patrons in a public gym lockerroom. I do not, however, think that equal protection has been stretched far enough to even create a whiff at a constitutional right. And nor do I imagine any such right will be read into the Constitution any time soon, no matter how pursuasively argued. Thanks for the thought-provoking question! Best, Chris From dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net Wed Jan 24 22:24:05 2018 From: dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net (Daniel McBride) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 16:24:05 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] Do Blind People Have a Right to Visual Memory In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <017e01d39562$0c8f7c20$25ae7460$@sbcglobal.net> Chris: I wish to second Deepinder Goraya's gratitude to you, Claire Stanley and Derek Manners for your perseverance in resolving the issue with BarBri's failure to make proper accommodations during your bar review program. I am hopeful that BarBri was required to compensate the three of you for all expense suffered during the process. Congrats to the three of you and all those who will follow. Daniel McBride Fort Worth -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Stewart, Christopher K via BlindLaw Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 3:41 PM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Cc: Stewart, Christopher K Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Do Blind People Have a Right to Visual Memory This is a great question. My best guess is that a person could likely argue that someone has such a right under the ADA, assuming the accommodation is reasonable, obviously. I don't imagine, for instance, that it would be a reasonable accommodation to video your fellow patrons in a public gym lockerroom. I do not, however, think that equal protection has been stretched far enough to even create a whiff at a constitutional right. And nor do I imagine any such right will be read into the Constitution any time soon, no matter how pursuasively argued. Thanks for the thought-provoking question! Best, Chris _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dlmlaw%40sbcglobal.net From legal at s.ai Wed Jan 24 23:31:49 2018 From: legal at s.ai (Sai) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 23:31:49 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Do blind people have a right to visual memory? In-Reply-To: <00f001d39551$bb6ed990$324c8cb0$@gmail.com> References: <012901d394c2$a5ffd710$f1ff8530$@sbcglobal.net> <00f001d39551$bb6ed990$324c8cb0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Certainly you would want immediate info if you can. But that assumes I *have* a second chair, which I might not, and that they have enough spare attention to monitor and communicate all that while still doing whatever else a second chair is supposed to be doing in the first place. (FWIW, good ASL interpreters do convey this kind of information visually when it's in nonvisual audio cues. I would expect one could train someone to do the reverse of that.) The courtroom example is only meant as one example, though. Courts and customs were just the only two situations I could think of readily (in the US) where video recording is normally prohibited by law. (Bathrooms & locker rooms are another, of course.) There are also things like museums or private clubs (though that's more like a contract); EU's crazy laws about copyright in landmarks and such, or protecting police from being recorded doing their jobs (ugh). And there are lots of situations where the government can't record you because of 4th Amendment expectation of privacy etc, but that doesn't apply to recording by an ordinary individual. Maybe someone else can think of an example that fits more cleanly. Sincerely, Sai On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 8:27 PM, Luis Mendez via BlindLaw wrote: > Perhaps I am mistaken, but wouldn't you need/want that information as the > trial/hearing is unfolding? If so, non-visual clues, perhaps supplemented > by input from a well trained and trusted second chair could prove of more > benefit than a recording. You would have both immediate feedback and the > memories. It's an interesting discussion, but in the end, memories are made > up of the sum and substance of our perceptions. Perhaps I am missing the > point. If so, I apologize if my responses seem indifferent to the point you > are trying to make or have caused offense. > > Luis > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sai via > BlindLaw > Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 1:05 PM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Sai > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Do blind people have a right to visual memory? > > I think you took me to mean something a bit different than I intended. > > Yes, there are things that just aren't going to change, and we have to deal > with that, as well as have legal protections as fallbacks. For instance, as > you mentioned, there's absolute right of way for cane users. I've certainly > had my share of navigation issues (like I said) where I probably could've > done better had I been in a better state and with better skills, but I > wasn't, so had to rely on that. (Thankfully I've never been run into by > anything worse than a clueless pedestrian, but I sure as hell would want the > other person to pay if that happened, even if I was in the bike lane or > whatever.) > > However, my point was about situations where there *are* potential remedies > available, but they are legally restricted by default, like recording. > > I'm not proposing that the government (or third parties) would have the > burden of paying for such things; I think ADA-style accommodations are a > pretty good balance. > > Rather, I want the government to not punish me (or threaten to) for > recording whenever and wherever I want. A sighted person in the same > situation would have had the opportunity to see and remember what they saw. > I can mimic that ability using a pair of sunglasses with a hidden camera in > them. (I actually have a pair.) > > But even when I'm totally taking on that burden of accommodating myself, > right now, I might be prohibited from doing so. > > > Most courts, for instance, ban all recording. But suppose I'm arguing at a > hearing, or a jury trial. A sighted lawyer in my position would be able to > remember how the judge or jury reacted emotionally to various things, and > use that knowledge when preparing for the next hearing. I would not be able > to do that... unless I can record it. > > So on what basis could I argue for the right to record it? > > Or, to put the converse again: would it be legal for the court to say > everyone entering the court has to wear a blindfold? Would it be legal for a > judge to say that opposing counsel, in my particular case, has to wear a > blindfold at all times during my case? > > I think the answer to both of those is clearly 'no'. So why is it legal for > the court to prohibit me from recording, since that's the next best thing to > vision that I have available to me? > > > This question doesn't really get at accommodations in general, i.e. > affirmative steps that others have to take. Those are of course the much > more common scenario. > > This only gets at a challenge to prohibitions on what you could do now, but > would be punished for doing. > > The closest "normal" thing I can think of that's like this question is > jaywalking. Presumably cane users have a right to jaywalk, even though > that's otherwise a crime, without fear of any government punishment for > doing so. > > Sincerely, > Sai > > > On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 3:23 AM, Daniel McBride via BlindLaw > wrote: >> Sai: >> >> With all due respect, I am not really sure what your question entails >> and, given my best impression of your question, I am believing I might >> have more legitimate issues to worry about. >> >> There are those of us who are blind. There are those who are not. I >> certainly understand the concepts underlying the ADA and a disabled >> persons right to a fair, and equal, chance at life and what it has to > offer. >> However, within this context, at some point I have to face the fact >> that I am blind and live with its limitations. >> >> Let's say I seek, for example, my constitutional right (?) to be a >> starting pitcher in major league baseball so I get the chance to >> experience what sighted persons experience, or to be a starting >> quarterback in the NFL so I can experience what sighted persons get to >> experience. Or, I can simply accept the fact that I am blind and >> realize that a blind person will never pitch in Major League Baseball nor > be a starting quarterback in the NFL. >> >> I'm sure I navigate places daily that I am unaware are potentially >> hazardous. In the painted bicycle lane example, if a sighted bicyclist >> sees a blind person on the shared sidewalk with his/her cane, or guide >> dog and the cyclist is unwilling to yield to the blind person, then I >> am more concerned about the cyclists' ability to satisfy my judgment >> against him/her for any injuries they might cause me. >> >> If I understand your question correctly, I believe it falls into the >> category of being careful what we ask for because we just might get it. >> >> And my comment is intended respectfully. Just my two cents worth. And >> I might be misunderstanding the intent of your question as well. >> >> Daniel McBride >> Fort Worth >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sai >> via BlindLaw >> Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 2:01 PM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Cc: Sai >> Subject: [blindlaw] Do blind people have a right to visual memory? >> >> Consider any of various situations where it is illegal to secretly >> record video. Customs, courts, etc etc. >> >> A sighted person going through those situations would have a visual >> memory of what they saw. A blind person would not; they wouldn't have >> access to the same information that the sighted person does (albeit > limited by memory). >> >> So, could one (winnably) argue that the blind person has a >> Constitutional >> *right* to covert video recording, i.e. the right to see and remember >> what they saw (albeit through the intermediary of a recording), at >> least for personal or testimonial use? >> >> >> I started thinking about this recently during O&M training. I recorded >> the training session out of curiosity to see what it was like. >> >> I didn't learn until after recording that training session that a >> street I walk very frequently has a painted-on bike lane on part of the > sidewalk. >> >> I had absolutely no idea it was there, despite having walked that >> exact path for months and easily recognizing various parts of it by >> cane. The painted-on bike lane, and the division between it and the >> pedestrian part of the sidewalk, just have almost zero perceptible >> tactile cues, let alone something to indicate "don't walk here". >> >> As a result, in that video of my training session, I was blithely >> walking along the curb side of the sidewalk, smack in the middle of a >> bike lane. It came as quite a shock to me when I reviewed the video. >> >> I've had multiple other experiences where visual memory was critical, >> like where TSA violated my rights and I needed evidence of who did >> what. Had I not been recording, I wouldn't have that evidence. >> >> >> So it makes me think: what about establishing a blind person's right >> to perceive, and recall, the same visual information that a sighted >> person would have access to in the same situation? (Or likewise for >> d/Deaf and audio, or psychological issues and memory in general.) >> >> Has anyone ever tried this? >> >> Sincerely, >> Sai >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dlmlaw%40sbcglob >> al.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/legal%40s.ai > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/legal%40s.ai From ainekc at gmail.com Thu Jan 25 03:42:50 2018 From: ainekc at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?=C3=81ine_Kelly-Costello?=) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 16:42:50 +1300 Subject: [blindlaw] Please sign to support accessibility legislation for New Zealand Message-ID: <5BB92418-9515-44FE-BFB1-2E530C7857B5@gmail.com> Hi all, I’m a blind recent university grad from New Zealand. I’m working on a campaign for creating a robust legal foundation for accessibility here in NZ. I’m delivering an open letter with our request to our Minister for Disability Issues in a week and I’d really appreciate if you could take a moment to sign it and share widely. You can be from anywhere to sign, and great to show our govt that the world is watching! Unlike the US, Canada, the UK, Australia and others, New Zealand does not have disability or accessibility-specific legislation and we want this to change. Please take a moment to sign the open letter here: http://www.accessalliance.org.nz/open_letter The campaign is led by the Access Aalliance, a coalition of twelve disability organisations in New Zealand. This is still early, pre-public-consultation stages, but you can find more info on what the Access Alliance is calling for/proposing here: http://www.accessalliance.org.nz/the_accessibility_act Thanks very much in advance for your support. Best wishes, Áine From p.harpur at law.uq.edu.au Thu Jan 25 20:44:07 2018 From: p.harpur at law.uq.edu.au (Paul Harpur) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 20:44:07 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Information on accessibility legislation for New Zealand Message-ID: I was wondering if there is a website or information you could provide me on this important issue? From b.schulz at sbcglobal.net Fri Jan 26 03:32:29 2018 From: b.schulz at sbcglobal.net (b.schulz at sbcglobal.net) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 21:32:29 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] college complaint Message-ID: <000001d39656$4bc6f400$e354dc00$@sbcglobal.net> Hi, I want to know if it is possible to file a complaint, or suit against a software company without including the college setting where it is being used. The situation is a college course is using cisco packet tracer and it is completely unusable with jaws but the instructor is trying to figure something out. If a human is sitting next to me, is that a valid accommodation and that's the end of it while I'm not learning anything? Bryan --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com From p.harpur at law.uq.edu.au Fri Jan 26 12:14:35 2018 From: p.harpur at law.uq.edu.au (Paul Harpur) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 12:14:35 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] college complaint In-Reply-To: <000001d39656$4bc6f400$e354dc00$@sbcglobal.net> References: <000001d39656$4bc6f400$e354dc00$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: There is a circuit split on this. where are you based? It is much easier to go against the college and get them to settle requiring the software provider to become accessible. I have written about this in my Cambridge University Press book Discriminaiton, Copyright and Equality: Openingg the E-Book fo the Print Disabled and also updated a bit. I can email you some extracts if that is helpful. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Schulz via BlindLaw Sent: Friday, 26 January 2018 1:32 PM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Cc: b.schulz at sbcglobal.net Subject: [blindlaw] college complaint Hi, I want to know if it is possible to file a complaint, or suit against a software company without including the college setting where it is being used. The situation is a college course is using cisco packet tracer and it is completely unusable with jaws but the instructor is trying to figure something out. If a human is sitting next to me, is that a valid accommodation and that's the end of it while I'm not learning anything? Bryan --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/paulharpur%40gmail.com From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Fri Jan 26 15:27:09 2018 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (rbacchus228 at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 10:27:09 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] college complaint In-Reply-To: <000001d39656$4bc6f400$e354dc00$@sbcglobal.net> References: <000001d39656$4bc6f400$e354dc00$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <22BC1571-74BA-487B-AF8D-6D7D892BF1A7@gmail.com> Yes it is an accommodation to have a human person sitting next to you as a leader in class. All software companies are required to make programs accessible to users with disabilities. Sent from my iPad > On Jan 25, 2018, at 10:32 PM, Bryan Schulz via BlindLaw wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I want to know if it is possible to file a complaint, or suit against a > software company without including the college setting where it is being > used. > > > > The situation is a college course is using cisco packet tracer and it is > completely unusable with jaws but the instructor is trying to figure > something out. > > If a human is sitting next to me, is that a valid accommodation and that's > the end of it while I'm not learning anything? > > Bryan > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > http://www.avg.com > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rbacchus228%40gmail.com From b.schulz at sbcglobal.net Fri Jan 26 23:18:55 2018 From: b.schulz at sbcglobal.net (b.schulz at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 17:18:55 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] college complaint In-Reply-To: <22BC1571-74BA-487B-AF8D-6D7D892BF1A7@gmail.com> References: <000001d39656$4bc6f400$e354dc00$@sbcglobal.net> <22BC1571-74BA-487B-AF8D-6D7D892BF1A7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <003301d396fc$0a2d1cd0$1e875670$@sbcglobal.net> Hi, Of course that is an accommodation! You didn't process the question. Is there no issue to pursue because an accommodation was provided? Bryan -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Roanna Bacchus via BlindLaw Sent: Friday, January 26, 2018 9:27 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: rbacchus228 at gmail.com Subject: Re: [blindlaw] college complaint Yes it is an accommodation to have a human person sitting next to you as a leader in class. All software companies are required to make programs accessible to users with disabilities. Sent from my iPad > On Jan 25, 2018, at 10:32 PM, Bryan Schulz via BlindLaw wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I want to know if it is possible to file a complaint, or suit against > a software company without including the college setting where it is > being used. > > > > The situation is a college course is using cisco packet tracer and it > is completely unusable with jaws but the instructor is trying to > figure something out. > > If a human is sitting next to me, is that a valid accommodation and > that's the end of it while I'm not learning anything? > > Bryan > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > http://www.avg.com > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rbacchus228%40gm > ail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/b.schulz%40sbcglobal.n et From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Sat Jan 27 00:25:56 2018 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2018 00:25:56 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] college complaint In-Reply-To: <000001d39656$4bc6f400$e354dc00$@sbcglobal.net> References: <000001d39656$4bc6f400$e354dc00$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: If you want to call me about this, I'd be happy to discuss. You can reach me at work at (206) 607-1600. Noel Nightingale Office for CivilRights, U.S. Department of Education -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Schulz via BlindLaw Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 7:32 PM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Cc: b.schulz at sbcglobal.net Subject: [blindlaw] college complaint Hi, I want to know if it is possible to file a complaint, or suit against a software company without including the college setting where it is being used. The situation is a college course is using cisco packet tracer and it is completely unusable with jaws but the instructor is trying to figure something out. If a human is sitting next to me, is that a valid accommodation and that's the end of it while I'm not learning anything? Bryan --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/noel.nightingale%40ed.gov From b.schulz at sbcglobal.net Sat Jan 27 02:13:52 2018 From: b.schulz at sbcglobal.net (b.schulz at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 20:13:52 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] college complaint In-Reply-To: References: <000001d39656$4bc6f400$e354dc00$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <004901d39714$7a99db80$6fcd9280$@sbcglobal.net> Hi, I'll probably call on Monday. Much appreciated, Bryan -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nightingale, Noel via BlindLaw Sent: Friday, January 26, 2018 6:26 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Nightingale, Noel Subject: Re: [blindlaw] college complaint If you want to call me about this, I'd be happy to discuss. You can reach me at work at (206) 607-1600. Noel Nightingale Office for CivilRights, U.S. Department of Education -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Schulz via BlindLaw Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 7:32 PM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Cc: b.schulz at sbcglobal.net Subject: [blindlaw] college complaint Hi, I want to know if it is possible to file a complaint, or suit against a software company without including the college setting where it is being used. The situation is a college course is using cisco packet tracer and it is completely unusable with jaws but the instructor is trying to figure something out. If a human is sitting next to me, is that a valid accommodation and that's the end of it while I'm not learning anything? Bryan --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/noel.nightingale%40ed. gov _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/b.schulz%40sbcglobal.n et From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com Sat Jan 27 04:19:54 2018 From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2018 09:49:54 +0530 Subject: [blindlaw] Wish to interview Justice Sonia Sotomayor for an interview series featuring lawyers with disabilities In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2894303F-6CBA-471C-A3D8-2A7E178B148D@gmail.com> Thanks for those useful pointers, everyone. I was wondering if any of you happen to know any of her past or present law clerks. Reaching out to her law clerks might be the most effective way to grab her attention. I have reached out to a handful of them based on my online research, but it would be much easier if anyone here happens to know any of them. And thanks for suggesting Gould J's name, Sai - we are in the process of reaching out to him. Rahul Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 6, 2018, at 10:41 PM, Simon Singh via BlindLaw wrote: > > Hi Rahul, > > Please send me your contact info. I would like to take this matter of the > list. Thanks > > Best regards > Simon Singh > > > On Tue, Dec 26, 2017 at 1:28 PM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw < > blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I hope this message finds you well. As I may have mentioned earlier on >> this list, I am part of an organization which is conducting an interview >> series featuring lawyers with disabilities across the globe. We have >> interviewed such jurists as Judge David S. Tatel and Zak Yacoob (South >> African Constitutional Court) as part of this series. >> I believe Justice Sotomayor would be a great candidate for this interview >> series, given her battle with diabetes since early childhood. However, I >> have not been able to find any way to contact her or her office. I'd be >> grateful if any of you could share any leads in this regard. >> >> Please feel free to do this off-list if you find that more preferable. If >> you can put me in touch with anyone who may have invited her for an event >> or share any information at all, it would be very helpful. Thanks so much. >> >> Best, >> Rahul >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ >> simon.singh%40eknoworks.com >> > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rahul.bajaj1038%40gmail.com From ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com Sat Jan 27 05:25:41 2018 From: ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com (Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 22:25:41 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] Do blind people have a right to visual memory? In-Reply-To: <034101d3953f$82748930$875d9b90$@mdtap.org> References: <012901d394c2$a5ffd710$f1ff8530$@sbcglobal.net> <034101d3953f$82748930$875d9b90$@mdtap.org> Message-ID: <012901d3972f$45f57e50$d1e07af0$@com> But the price of AIRA will simply clean up my bank account. Besides, as good and great any person may tout the service, the fact that it's not available for 24 hours a day mutes my desire to look into deploying it as a worthwhile tool. So, if a blind individual were to be involved in an accident when the AIRA machine is under lock and key for the day, then what gives? Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From legal at s.ai Sat Jan 27 11:31:03 2018 From: legal at s.ai (Sai) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2018 11:31:03 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] Fwd: Do blind people have a right to visual memory? In-Reply-To: <017401d39552$1b61fda0$5225f8e0$@sbcglobal.net> References: <012901d394c2$a5ffd710$f1ff8530$@sbcglobal.net> <017401d39552$1b61fda0$5225f8e0$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Forwarding message unintentionally sent offlist, and my response: From: Daniel McBride Dear Sai: I think I better understand your question now. However, as the old adage goes, bad facts make for bad law. And we must pick our battles carefully lest we get what we ask for. For example, Deepah Goraya posted today about the settlement reached with the three bar candidates and BarBri over accommodations for the blind. These were good facts and, if it had gone to trial then appeal, it would have likely made good law. In fact, I'm not sure that the settlement went far enough if BarBri wasn't made to compensate the three bar candidates for the expenses they suffered in the process of BarBri's failure to make initial accommodations. But, it is a victory nonetheless for the three involved and those who follow in the future. They had good facts and are entitled to what is fair and equal in their quest to become lawyers. I second Deepaah's congrats to these three for their tenacity and perseverance. Dan McBride From: Sai *nod* Agreed. FWIW, I'm in a very unusual situation: I am part-time fully blind. Extreme light sensitivity makes me unable to open my eyes (even under sunglasses) in most lighting conditions, including outdoors and in fluorescent lights. (Courts included.) However, I have no ocular issue. In dim light I can see just fine. I know, that's really unusual. It does however make me actually able to *personally* review video I record, without sharing it with anyone, as a way to see what I could not see at the time of recording. I think that's nearly as close as possible to the notion of a self-curable "visual memory" as one can get. Does it generalize? I truly don't know. Obviously someone with permanently near-zero sight would need to have a second person view the video in order to get some access to know what they had 'seen' (i.e. recorded), which changes the situation in a way that might affect the outcome. It seems worth thinking about, though. Sincerely, Sai From steve.jacobson at visi.com Sat Jan 27 15:39:25 2018 From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2018 09:39:25 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] college complaint In-Reply-To: References: <000001d39656$4bc6f400$e354dc00$@sbcglobal.net> <22BC1571-74BA-487B-AF8D-6D7D892BF1A7@gmail.com> <003301d396fc$0a2d1cd0$1e875670$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <006b01d39785$03204f50$0960edf0$@visi.com> Brian, Individual situations often require individualized approaches so I am really glad you can connect with Noel who is very knowledgeable of the specific laws. As one who is not a lawyer but who has followed and promoted legislation for many years, I wanted to comment on one of the replies you received. I know of no law that requires every company to make their software accessible. Generally, the law puts the burden on those who buy software to only buy accessible software. There are many cases where an educational institution, governmental agencies, and companies that have public locations have to make websites and other processes that are used by the public accessible. This helps and covers many situations, but it does not affect all companies or all software. We can also sometimes affect companies who develop software to add accessibility by affecting their ability to sell to an important part of their market. If it appears that we can prevent them from selling to educational institutions, for example, it then becomes in their interest to make their software accessible. Many of us feel that the restrictions on software sold to schools helped push Apple to make their products accessible. Apple, of course, has denied that in the past, saying they did it because it was the right thing to do. Who can say for certain. Another part of this is whether there is an accessible alternative that is just as functional. If there isn't a competing product to Cisco's packet tracer that has the same functionality, it makes it more difficult for a complaint to stick. However, getting customers, like colleges, to push back is an approach to reach the decision makers in a company in a way that we can't as individuals. You may need to explain to your instructor that filing a complaint gives your instructor and your college more leverage in helping you deal with Cisco, but perhaps Noel will have other approaches. Finally, as someone who worked in the computer field for many years, I occasionally found it helpful to learn and understand software that I could not use. I do not say this to discourage your efforts to change this situation, but working with a reader to learn the processes being taught can be helpful. For example, I have had to decide which tool was best to get a given result even though it was not going to be my job to use that tool. This was in an environment where accessibility was not mandated in any way. I was able to help make the decision because I understood the software even though I could not effectively use it. This isn't ideal but is another thing to consider. Best regards, Steve Jacobson -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Schulz via BlindLaw Sent: Friday, January 26, 2018 5:19 PM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: b.schulz at sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: [blindlaw] college complaint Hi, Of course that is an accommodation! You didn't process the question. Is there no issue to pursue because an accommodation was provided? Bryan -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Roanna Bacchus via BlindLaw Sent: Friday, January 26, 2018 9:27 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: rbacchus228 at gmail.com Subject: Re: [blindlaw] college complaint Yes it is an accommodation to have a human person sitting next to you as a leader in class. All software companies are required to make programs accessible to users with disabilities. Sent from my iPad > On Jan 25, 2018, at 10:32 PM, Bryan Schulz via BlindLaw wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I want to know if it is possible to file a complaint, or suit against > a software company without including the college setting where it is > being used. > > > > The situation is a college course is using cisco packet tracer and it > is completely unusable with jaws but the instructor is trying to > figure something out. > > If a human is sitting next to me, is that a valid accommodation and > that's the end of it while I'm not learning anything? > > Bryan > > From legal at s.ai Sat Jan 27 16:33:41 2018 From: legal at s.ai (Sai) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2018 16:33:41 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] college complaint In-Reply-To: <006b01d39785$03204f50$0960edf0$@visi.com> References: <000001d39656$4bc6f400$e354dc00$@sbcglobal.net> <22BC1571-74BA-487B-AF8D-6D7D892BF1A7@gmail.com> <003301d396fc$0a2d1cd0$1e875670$@sbcglobal.net> <006b01d39785$03204f50$0960edf0$@visi.com> Message-ID: For those who do know ADA law, a hypothetical question out of curiosity: Suppose that, narrowly considered for a specific class situation, providing a human aide is preferred by the accommodating school. Assume for the sake of this question that the aide would allow the student to fully participate in the requirements of the class. However, this accommodation would make the student dependent on the aide in the future; they would not be able to use the skill or software taught in the class by themselves, or with alternative accommodations (like software). Does the student have any claim against the school, either at the time (to get an accommodation that they can use later, when the school isn't providing it) or afterwards (e.g. to learn a new accommodation so that they can apply the class' teachings independently, or as compensation for the decrease in their future job prospects, independence, etc)? Sincerely, Sai On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 3:39 PM, Steve Jacobson via BlindLaw wrote: > Brian, > > Individual situations often require individualized approaches so I am really > glad you can connect with Noel who is very knowledgeable of the specific > laws. As one who is not a lawyer but who has followed and promoted > legislation for many years, I wanted to comment on one of the replies you > received. I know of no law that requires every company to make their > software accessible. Generally, the law puts the burden on those who buy > software to only buy accessible software. There are many cases where an > educational institution, governmental agencies, and companies that have > public locations have to make websites and other processes that are used by > the public accessible. This helps and covers many situations, but it does > not affect all companies or all software. We can also sometimes affect > companies who develop software to add accessibility by affecting their > ability to sell to an important part of their market. If it appears that we > can prevent them from selling to educational institutions, for example, it > then becomes in their interest to make their software accessible. Many of > us feel that the restrictions on software sold to schools helped push Apple > to make their products accessible. Apple, of course, has denied that in the > past, saying they did it because it was the right thing to do. Who can say > for certain. > > Another part of this is whether there is an accessible alternative that is > just as functional. If there isn't a competing product to Cisco's packet > tracer that has the same functionality, it makes it more difficult for a > complaint to stick. However, getting customers, like colleges, to push back > is an approach to reach the decision makers in a company in a way that we > can't as individuals. You may need to explain to your instructor that > filing a complaint gives your instructor and your college more leverage in > helping you deal with Cisco, but perhaps Noel will have other approaches. > > Finally, as someone who worked in the computer field for many years, I > occasionally found it helpful to learn and understand software that I could > not use. I do not say this to discourage your efforts to change this > situation, but working with a reader to learn the processes being taught can > be helpful. For example, I have had to decide which tool was best to get a > given result even though it was not going to be my job to use that tool. > This was in an environment where accessibility was not mandated in any way. > I was able to help make the decision because I understood the software even > though I could not effectively use it. This isn't ideal but is another > thing to consider. > > Best regards, > > Steve Jacobson > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan > Schulz via BlindLaw > Sent: Friday, January 26, 2018 5:19 PM > To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' > Cc: b.schulz at sbcglobal.net > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] college complaint > > Hi, > > Of course that is an accommodation! > You didn't process the question. > Is there no issue to pursue because an accommodation was provided? > Bryan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Roanna > Bacchus via BlindLaw > Sent: Friday, January 26, 2018 9:27 AM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: rbacchus228 at gmail.com > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] college complaint > > Yes it is an accommodation to have a human person sitting next to you as a > leader in class. All software companies are required to make programs > accessible to users with disabilities. > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Jan 25, 2018, at 10:32 PM, Bryan Schulz via BlindLaw > wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> I want to know if it is possible to file a complaint, or suit against >> a software company without including the college setting where it is >> being used. >> >> >> >> The situation is a college course is using cisco packet tracer and it >> is completely unusable with jaws but the instructor is trying to >> figure something out. >> >> If a human is sitting next to me, is that a valid accommodation and >> that's the end of it while I'm not learning anything? >> >> Bryan >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/legal%40s.ai From dandrews at visi.com Sat Jan 27 17:48:48 2018 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2018 11:48:48 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] college complaint In-Reply-To: References: <000001d39656$4bc6f400$e354dc00$@sbcglobal.net> <22BC1571-74BA-487B-AF8D-6D7D892BF1A7@gmail.com> <003301d396fc$0a2d1cd0$1e875670$@sbcglobal.net> <006b01d39785$03204f50$0960edf0$@visi.com> Message-ID: Let me say first that I am not a lawyer. Secondly I have a little experience, with the ADA, but it is years old. The NFB got a technical assistance grant from DOJ, in 1991 or 92, and I was the person who answered questions from people -- primarily about Braille signage. As I recall, when requesting an accommodation, the entity, college or university, should take the specific request of the disabled individual into account. That is the way the accommodation is provided should be weighted towards what the individual asked for. However, there is no obligation to provide the accommodation in that manner. If the entity provides an accommodation, in good faith, I doubt the individual would have cause for action. Dave At 10:33 AM 1/27/2018, you wrote: >For those who do know ADA law, a hypothetical question out of curiosity: > >Suppose that, narrowly considered for a specific class situation, >providing a human aide is preferred by the accommodating school. >Assume for the sake of this question that the aide would allow the >student to fully participate in the requirements of the class. > >However, this accommodation would make the student dependent on the >aide in the future; they would not be able to use the skill or >software taught in the class by themselves, or with alternative >accommodations (like software). > >Does the student have any claim against the school, either at the time >(to get an accommodation that they can use later, when the school >isn't providing it) or afterwards (e.g. to learn a new accommodation >so that they can apply the class' teachings independently, or as >compensation for the decrease in their future job prospects, >independence, etc)? > >Sincerely, >Sai > > >On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 3:39 PM, Steve Jacobson via BlindLaw > wrote: > > Brian, > > > > Individual situations often require individualized approaches so > I am really > > glad you can connect with Noel who is very knowledgeable of the specific > > laws. As one who is not a lawyer but who has followed and promoted > > legislation for many years, I wanted to comment on one of the replies you > > received. I know of no law that requires every company to make their > > software accessible. Generally, the law puts the burden on those who buy > > software to only buy accessible software. There are many cases where an > > educational institution, governmental agencies, and companies that have > > public locations have to make websites and other processes that are used by > > the public accessible. This helps and covers many situations, but it does > > not affect all companies or all software. We can also sometimes affect > > companies who develop software to add accessibility by affecting their > > ability to sell to an important part of their market. If it > appears that we > > can prevent them from selling to educational institutions, for example, it > > then becomes in their interest to make their software accessible. Many of > > us feel that the restrictions on software sold to schools helped push Apple > > to make their products accessible. Apple, of course, has denied > that in the > > past, saying they did it because it was the right thing to do. Who can say > > for certain. > > > > Another part of this is whether there is an accessible alternative that is > > just as functional. If there isn't a competing product to Cisco's packet > > tracer that has the same functionality, it makes it more difficult for a > > complaint to stick. However, getting customers, like colleges, > to push back > > is an approach to reach the decision makers in a company in a way that we > > can't as individuals. You may need to explain to your instructor that > > filing a complaint gives your instructor and your college more leverage in > > helping you deal with Cisco, but perhaps Noel will have other approaches. > > > > Finally, as someone who worked in the computer field for many years, I > > occasionally found it helpful to learn and understand software that I could > > not use. I do not say this to discourage your efforts to change this > > situation, but working with a reader to learn the processes being > taught can > > be helpful. For example, I have had to decide which tool was best to get a > > given result even though it was not going to be my job to use that tool. > > This was in an environment where accessibility was not mandated in any way. > > I was able to help make the decision because I understood the software even > > though I could not effectively use it. This isn't ideal but is another > > thing to consider. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Steve Jacobson > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan > > Schulz via BlindLaw > > Sent: Friday, January 26, 2018 5:19 PM > > To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' > > Cc: b.schulz at sbcglobal.net > > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] college complaint > > > > Hi, > > > > Of course that is an accommodation! > > You didn't process the question. > > Is there no issue to pursue because an accommodation was provided? > > Bryan > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Roanna > > Bacchus via BlindLaw > > Sent: Friday, January 26, 2018 9:27 AM > > To: Blind Law Mailing List > > Cc: rbacchus228 at gmail.com > > Subject: Re: [blindlaw] college complaint > > > > Yes it is an accommodation to have a human person sitting next to you as a > > leader in class. All software companies are required to make programs > > accessible to users with disabilities. > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > >> On Jan 25, 2018, at 10:32 PM, Bryan Schulz via BlindLaw > > wrote: > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> > >> > >> I want to know if it is possible to file a complaint, or suit against > >> a software company without including the college setting where it is > >> being used. > >> > >> > >> > >> The situation is a college course is using cisco packet tracer and it > >> is completely unusable with jaws but the instructor is trying to > >> figure something out. > >> > >> If a human is sitting next to me, is that a valid accommodation and > >> that's the end of it while I'm not learning anything? > >> > >> Bryan > >> From deepa.goraya at gmail.com Mon Jan 29 14:50:38 2018 From: deepa.goraya at gmail.com (Deepa Goraya) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 09:50:38 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] DC blind attorneys dinner Message-ID: Sorry for the last minute notice, but those who are in the DC area, we are having our annual blind attorneys dinner tomorrow, Tuesday Jan 30, at Tortilla Coast at 7:30 PM after the Washington Seminar congressional Reception. The address is 400 First Street SE, on the corner of 1st & D Streets SE near the Capitol South Metro. If you are interested in coming, please email me at deepa_goraya at washlaw.org by 5 PM today to let me know and how many are in your party so I can make reservations. Thank you. Deepa DEEPINDER K. GORAYA, ESQ. | STAFF ATTORNEY, DISABILITY RIGHTS PROJECT WASHINGTON LAWYERS' COMMITTEE FOR CIVIL RIGHTS AND URBAN AFFAIRS 11 Dupont Circle,NW, Suite 400 | Washington, DC 20036 202-319-1000 X132 | Fax 202-319-1010 This email message is from an attorney and may contain information that is confidential, privileged and/or attorney work product. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, please immediately advise the sender that this message was inadvertently transmitted to you and delete this message, along with any attachments. Please note that if you are an attorney who received this email about a prospective client, you must maintain the confidences of the prospective client. Thank you for your cooperation. From b.schulz at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 29 16:24:17 2018 From: b.schulz at sbcglobal.net (b.schulz at sbcglobal.net) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 10:24:17 -0600 Subject: [blindlaw] college complaint In-Reply-To: References: <000001d39656$4bc6f400$e354dc00$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <000001d3991d$9c73c350$d55b49f0$@sbcglobal.net> Hi, Your recording was probably old, it said your office was closed due to the government shutdown. Let me know. Bryan -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nightingale, Noel via BlindLaw Sent: Friday, January 26, 2018 6:26 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Nightingale, Noel Subject: Re: [blindlaw] college complaint If you want to call me about this, I'd be happy to discuss. You can reach me at work at (206) 607-1600. Noel Nightingale Office for CivilRights, U.S. Department of Education -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Schulz via BlindLaw Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 7:32 PM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Cc: b.schulz at sbcglobal.net Subject: [blindlaw] college complaint Hi, I want to know if it is possible to file a complaint, or suit against a software company without including the college setting where it is being used. The situation is a college course is using cisco packet tracer and it is completely unusable with jaws but the instructor is trying to figure something out. If a human is sitting next to me, is that a valid accommodation and that's the end of it while I'm not learning anything? Bryan --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/noel.nightingale%40ed. gov _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/b.schulz%40sbcglobal.n et From deepa.goraya at gmail.com Mon Jan 29 23:52:29 2018 From: deepa.goraya at gmail.com (Deepa Goraya) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 18:52:29 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] DC blind attorneys dinner: change of time and location References: <3FCAC310-5FC3-4C0B-9B1B-0591C09F4EC4@gmail.com> Message-ID: > Hello everyone, There has been a change of location and time for tomorrow’s dinner, since I was told that the Congressional Reception won’t even get started until 6:30. We are actually going to go to The Source by Wolfgang Puck instead, 575 Pennsylvania Ave NW. It is right near the Newseum. There are going to be road closures around Capitol Hill starting at 7 PM for the State of the Union so we wanted to find a place we could walk to. People can come starting at 8:00 through 8:30 PM. We had to make two reservations because they would not let us book for more than six people at a time. So one is under my name at 8:30 and one is under Al Elia’s name at 8 PM. > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 29, 2018, at 3:51 PM, Chang, Patti wrote: >> >> I would like to come but Tuesday that early won't work. The reception doesn't start until 6:30 which is when we will be in the auditorium. >> >> >> Patti Chang Esq. >> (410) 659-9314, extension 2422 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Deepa Goraya via BlindLaw >> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 8:51 AM >> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> Cc: Deepa Goraya >> Subject: [blindlaw] DC blind attorneys dinner >> >> Sorry for the last minute notice, but those who are in the DC area, we are having our annual blind attorneys dinner tomorrow, Tuesday Jan 30, at Tortilla Coast at 7:30 PM after the Washington Seminar congressional Reception. The address is 400 First Street SE, on the corner of 1st & D Streets SE near the Capitol South Metro. If you are interested in coming, please email me at deepa_goraya at washlaw.org by 5 PM today to let me know and how many are in your party so I can make reservations. >> >> Thank you. >> >> Deepa >> >> DEEPINDER K. GORAYA, ESQ. | STAFF ATTORNEY, DISABILITY RIGHTS PROJECT WASHINGTON LAWYERS' COMMITTEE FOR CIVIL RIGHTS AND URBAN AFFAIRS >> 11 Dupont Circle,NW, Suite 400 | Washington, DC 20036 >> 202-319-1000 X132 | Fax 202-319-1010 >> >> This email message is from an attorney and may contain information that is confidential, privileged and/or attorney work product. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, please immediately advise the sender that this message was inadvertently transmitted to you and delete this message, along with any attachments. Please note that if you are an attorney who received this email about a prospective client, you must maintain the confidences of the prospective client. Thank you for your cooperation. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/pchang at nfb.org From amatney at loeb.com Tue Jan 30 00:05:15 2018 From: amatney at loeb.com (Angela Matney) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2018 00:05:15 +0000 Subject: [blindlaw] DC blind attorneys dinner: change of time and location In-Reply-To: References: <3FCAC310-5FC3-4C0B-9B1B-0591C09F4EC4@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1BAC65FD6F6D1140A9F58F9D21A1A539B31E89@SM-EXMAIL03.loeb.com> I am going to try to make it--I hope to see many of you there. 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Please destroy the original transmission and its attachments without reading or saving in any manner. Thank you, Loeb & Loeb LLP. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Deepa Goraya via BlindLaw Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 6:52 PM To: blindlaw Cc: Deepa Goraya Subject: [blindlaw] DC blind attorneys dinner: change of time and location This email originated from outside of Loeb's Network. > Hello everyone, There has been a change of location and time for tomorrow’s dinner, since I was told that the Congressional Reception won’t even get started until 6:30. We are actually going to go to The Source by Wolfgang Puck instead, 575 Pennsylvania Ave NW. It is right near the Newseum. There are going to be road closures around Capitol Hill starting at 7 PM for the State of the Union so we wanted to find a place we could walk to. People can come starting at 8:00 through 8:30 PM. We had to make two reservations because they would not let us book for more than six people at a time. So one is under my name at 8:30 and one is under Al Elia’s name at 8 PM. > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 29, 2018, at 3:51 PM, Chang, Patti wrote: >> >> I would like to come but Tuesday that early won't work. The reception doesn't start until 6:30 which is when we will be in the auditorium. >> >> >> Patti Chang Esq. >> (410) 659-9314, extension 2422 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Deepa Goraya via BlindLaw >> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 8:51 AM >> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >> Cc: Deepa Goraya >> Subject: [blindlaw] DC blind attorneys dinner >> >> Sorry for the last minute notice, but those who are in the DC area, we are having our annual blind attorneys dinner tomorrow, Tuesday Jan 30, at Tortilla Coast at 7:30 PM after the Washington Seminar congressional Reception. The address is 400 First Street SE, on the corner of 1st & D Streets SE near the Capitol South Metro. If you are interested in coming, please email me at deepa_goraya at washlaw.org by 5 PM today to let me know and how many are in your party so I can make reservations. >> >> Thank you. >> >> Deepa >> >> DEEPINDER K. GORAYA, ESQ. | STAFF ATTORNEY, DISABILITY RIGHTS PROJECT WASHINGTON LAWYERS' COMMITTEE FOR CIVIL RIGHTS AND URBAN AFFAIRS >> 11 Dupont Circle,NW, Suite 400 | Washington, DC 20036 >> 202-319-1000 X132 | Fax 202-319-1010 >> >> This email message is from an attorney and may contain information that is confidential, privileged and/or attorney work product. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, please immediately advise the sender that this message was inadvertently transmitted to you and delete this message, along with any attachments. Please note that if you are an attorney who received this email about a prospective client, you must maintain the confidences of the prospective client. Thank you for your cooperation. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/pchang at nfb.org _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/amatney%40loeb.com From deepa.goraya at gmail.com Tue Jan 30 15:45:51 2018 From: deepa.goraya at gmail.com (Deepa Goraya) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2018 10:45:51 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] DC blind attorneys dinner: change of time and location In-Reply-To: References: <3FCAC310-5FC3-4C0B-9B1B-0591C09F4EC4@gmail.com> Message-ID: Everyone, We have combined the reservations and will have two tables of six next to each other. We have made the reservation for 8 PM tonight. They would like the majority of people to be there by 8:15 so please feel free to come over to the restaurant starting at 8. On 1/29/18, Deepa Goraya wrote: >> Hello everyone, > > There has been a change of location and time for tomorrow’s dinner, since I > was told that the Congressional Reception won’t even get started until 6:30. > We are actually going to go to The Source by Wolfgang Puck instead, 575 > Pennsylvania Ave NW. It is right near the Newseum. There are going to be > road closures around Capitol Hill starting at 7 PM for the State of the > Union so we wanted to find a place we could walk to. People can come > starting at 8:00 through 8:30 PM. We had to make two reservations because > they would not let us book for more than six people at a time. So one is > under my name at 8:30 and one is under Al Elia’s name at 8 PM. >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jan 29, 2018, at 3:51 PM, Chang, Patti wrote: >>> >>> I would like to come but Tuesday that early won't work. The reception >>> doesn't start until 6:30 which is when we will be in the auditorium. >>> >>> >>> Patti Chang Esq. >>> (410) 659-9314, extension 2422 >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Deepa >>> Goraya via BlindLaw >>> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 8:51 AM >>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> Cc: Deepa Goraya >>> Subject: [blindlaw] DC blind attorneys dinner >>> >>> Sorry for the last minute notice, but those who are in the DC area, we >>> are having our annual blind attorneys dinner tomorrow, Tuesday Jan 30, at >>> Tortilla Coast at 7:30 PM after the Washington Seminar congressional >>> Reception. The address is 400 First Street SE, on the corner of 1st & D >>> Streets SE near the Capitol South Metro. If you are interested in coming, >>> please email me at deepa_goraya at washlaw.org by 5 PM today to let me know >>> and how many are in your party so I can make reservations. >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> Deepa >>> >>> DEEPINDER K. GORAYA, ESQ. | STAFF ATTORNEY, DISABILITY RIGHTS PROJECT >>> WASHINGTON LAWYERS' COMMITTEE FOR CIVIL RIGHTS AND URBAN AFFAIRS >>> 11 Dupont Circle,NW, Suite 400 | Washington, DC 20036 >>> 202-319-1000 X132 | Fax 202-319-1010 >>> >>> This email message is from an attorney and may contain information that >>> is confidential, privileged and/or attorney work product. If you are not >>> the intended recipient of this email, please immediately advise the >>> sender that this message was inadvertently transmitted to you and delete >>> this message, along with any attachments. Please note that if you are an >>> attorney who received this email about a prospective client, you must >>> maintain the confidences of the prospective client. Thank you for your >>> cooperation. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/pchang at nfb.org > From slabarre at labarrelaw.com Tue Jan 30 15:59:07 2018 From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. Labarre) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2018 08:59:07 -0700 Subject: [blindlaw] DC blind attorneys dinner: change of time and location In-Reply-To: References: <3FCAC310-5FC3-4C0B-9B1B-0591C09F4EC4@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00a601d399e3$4cc08e30$e641aa90$@labarrelaw.com> I wish all of you a great time and wish I could be there. I am on a plane right now headed west towards the ABA's midyear meeting. Good luck on the Hill; enjoy the Congressional reception at the Newseum; and raise a glass for me at the Source. Cheers, Scott -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Deepa Goraya via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2018 8:46 AM To: blindlaw Cc: Deepa Goraya Subject: Re: [blindlaw] DC blind attorneys dinner: change of time and location Everyone, We have combined the reservations and will have two tables of six next to each other. We have made the reservation for 8 PM tonight. They would like the majority of people to be there by 8:15 so please feel free to come over to the restaurant starting at 8. On 1/29/18, Deepa Goraya wrote: >> Hello everyone, > > There has been a change of location and time for tomorrow’s dinner, > since I was told that the Congressional Reception won’t even get started until 6:30. > We are actually going to go to The Source by Wolfgang Puck instead, > 575 Pennsylvania Ave NW. It is right near the Newseum. There are going > to be road closures around Capitol Hill starting at 7 PM for the State > of the Union so we wanted to find a place we could walk to. People can > come starting at 8:00 through 8:30 PM. We had to make two > reservations because they would not let us book for more than six > people at a time. So one is under my name at 8:30 and one is under Al Elia’s name at 8 PM. >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jan 29, 2018, at 3:51 PM, Chang, Patti wrote: >>> >>> I would like to come but Tuesday that early won't work. The >>> reception doesn't start until 6:30 which is when we will be in the auditorium. >>> >>> >>> Patti Chang Esq. >>> (410) 659-9314, extension 2422 >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >>> Deepa Goraya via BlindLaw >>> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2018 8:51 AM >>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>> Cc: Deepa Goraya >>> Subject: [blindlaw] DC blind attorneys dinner >>> >>> Sorry for the last minute notice, but those who are in the DC area, >>> we are having our annual blind attorneys dinner tomorrow, Tuesday >>> Jan 30, at Tortilla Coast at 7:30 PM after the Washington Seminar >>> congressional Reception. The address is 400 First Street SE, on the >>> corner of 1st & D Streets SE near the Capitol South Metro. If you >>> are interested in coming, please email me at >>> deepa_goraya at washlaw.org by 5 PM today to let me know and how many are in your party so I can make reservations. >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> Deepa >>> >>> DEEPINDER K. GORAYA, ESQ. | STAFF ATTORNEY, DISABILITY RIGHTS >>> PROJECT WASHINGTON LAWYERS' COMMITTEE FOR CIVIL RIGHTS AND URBAN >>> AFFAIRS >>> 11 Dupont Circle,NW, Suite 400 | Washington, DC 20036 >>> 202-319-1000 X132 | Fax 202-319-1010 >>> >>> This email message is from an attorney and may contain information >>> that is confidential, privileged and/or attorney work product. If >>> you are not the intended recipient of this email, please immediately >>> advise the sender that this message was inadvertently transmitted to >>> you and delete this message, along with any attachments. Please note >>> that if you are an attorney who received this email about a >>> prospective client, you must maintain the confidences of the >>> prospective client. Thank you for your cooperation. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/pchang at nfb.org > _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/slabarre%40labarrelaw.com From deepa.goraya at gmail.com Wed Jan 31 15:47:26 2018 From: deepa.goraya at gmail.com (Deepa Goraya) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2018 10:47:26 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] speaker and topic suggestions for two upcoming panels Message-ID: All, I am looking for speakers for an upcoming panel, and topic suggestions for another. First, I will be moderating a panel at the DRBA annual meeting on March 23, which will discuss how to explain the potential tax consequences of damages payments, and its impacts on benefits and supported decision-making. We need suggestions for speakers on the impacts of damages payments and benefits. We already have a speaker for the supported decision making piece. If you have any suggestions, please email me at deepa_goraya at washlaw.org. Second, on April 5, from 11:30 to 12:30, Lainey Feingold, Debra Patkin, Robyn Powell, and I will be participating on an ABA panel entitled Disability and Dispute Resolution: Practical Information for DR practitioners. It will be part of the ABA spring conference and will be held at Washington Hilton in Washington DC. A description of the panel is below, and more information can be found here: https://www.americanbar.org/groups/dispute_resolution/events_cle/annual.html. We are interested in your suggestions on which topics to highlight, from issues facing attorneys who are blind, issues that mediators with disabilities have faced, clients with disabilities and issues with accommodating them, etc. Please email any suggestions and come to our panel if you are able to. Description: As peacemakers, inclusivity is key to our effectiveness and core to our values. Too often though, disability is left out when we talk about diversity, inclusion, and civil rights. This session will explore the intersection of dispute resolution and disability. Topics will include best practices for communicating with deaf and blind lawyers, parties and neutrals; Website accessibility and accessible print and electronic documents; accommodation policies; disability issues in collaborative (family law) practice; accessibility issues in Online Dispute Resolution (ODR), language and disability awareness; Structured Negotiation and other successful DR strategies for disability rights claims; issues for disabled mediators; and marketing mediation and legal services to the disability community. Deepa DEEPINDER K. GORAYA, ESQ. | STAFF ATTORNEY, DISABILITY RIGHTS PROJECT WASHINGTON LAWYERS' COMMITTEE FOR CIVIL RIGHTS AND URBAN AFFAIRS 11 Dupont Circle,NW, Suite 400 | Washington, DC 20036 202-319-1000 X132 | Fax 202-319-1010 This email message is from an attorney and may contain information that is confidential, privileged and/or attorney work product. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, please immediately advise the sender that this message was inadvertently transmitted to you and delete this message, along with any attachments. Please note that if you are an attorney who received this email about a prospective client, you must maintain the confidences of the prospective client. Thank you for your cooperation. From adrijana.prokopenko at gmail.com Wed Jan 31 15:52:04 2018 From: adrijana.prokopenko at gmail.com (adrijana prokopenko) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2018 16:52:04 +0100 Subject: [blindlaw] speaker and topic suggestions for two upcoming panels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Can I share this? On 1/31/18, Deepa Goraya via BlindLaw wrote: > All, > > I am looking for speakers for an upcoming panel, and topic suggestions > for another. First, I will be moderating a panel at the DRBA annual > meeting on March 23, which will discuss how to explain the potential > tax consequences of damages payments, and its impacts on benefits and > supported decision-making. We need suggestions for speakers on the > impacts of damages payments and benefits. We already have a speaker > for the supported decision making piece. If you have any suggestions, > please email me at deepa_goraya at washlaw.org. > > Second, on April 5, from 11:30 to 12:30, Lainey Feingold, Debra > Patkin, Robyn Powell, and I will be participating on an ABA panel > entitled Disability and Dispute Resolution: Practical Information for > DR practitioners. It will be part of the ABA spring conference and > will be held at Washington Hilton in Washington DC. A description of > the panel is below, and more information can be found here: > https://www.americanbar.org/groups/dispute_resolution/events_cle/annual.html. > > We are interested in your suggestions on which topics to highlight, > from issues facing attorneys who are blind, issues that mediators with > disabilities have faced, clients with disabilities and issues with > accommodating them, etc. Please email any suggestions and come to our > panel if you are able to. > > Description: As peacemakers, inclusivity is key to our effectiveness > and core to our values. Too often though, disability is left out when > we talk about diversity, inclusion, and civil rights. This session > will explore the intersection of dispute resolution and disability. > Topics will include best practices for communicating with deaf and > blind lawyers, parties and neutrals; Website accessibility and > accessible print and electronic documents; accommodation policies; > disability issues in collaborative (family law) practice; > accessibility issues in Online Dispute Resolution (ODR), language and > disability awareness; Structured Negotiation and other successful DR > strategies for disability rights claims; issues for disabled > mediators; and marketing mediation and legal services to the > disability community. > > Deepa > > DEEPINDER K. GORAYA, ESQ. | STAFF ATTORNEY, DISABILITY RIGHTS PROJECT > WASHINGTON LAWYERS' COMMITTEE FOR CIVIL RIGHTS AND URBAN AFFAIRS > 11 Dupont Circle,NW, Suite 400 | Washington, DC 20036 > 202-319-1000 X132 | Fax 202-319-1010 > > This email message is from an attorney and may contain information > that is confidential, privileged and/or attorney work product. If you > are not the intended recipient of this email, please immediately > advise the sender that this message was inadvertently transmitted to > you and delete this message, along with any attachments. Please note > that if you are an attorney who received this email about a > prospective client, you must maintain the confidences of the > prospective client. Thank you for your cooperation. > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/adrijana.prokopenko%40gmail.com > From deepa.goraya at gmail.com Wed Jan 31 19:33:00 2018 From: deepa.goraya at gmail.com (Deepa Goraya) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2018 14:33:00 -0500 Subject: [blindlaw] speaker and topic suggestions for two upcoming panels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sure you can. On 1/31/18, adrijana prokopenko via BlindLaw wrote: > Can I share this? > > On 1/31/18, Deepa Goraya via BlindLaw wrote: >> All, >> >> I am looking for speakers for an upcoming panel, and topic suggestions >> for another. First, I will be moderating a panel at the DRBA annual >> meeting on March 23, which will discuss how to explain the potential >> tax consequences of damages payments, and its impacts on benefits and >> supported decision-making. We need suggestions for speakers on the >> impacts of damages payments and benefits. We already have a speaker >> for the supported decision making piece. If you have any suggestions, >> please email me at deepa_goraya at washlaw.org. >> >> Second, on April 5, from 11:30 to 12:30, Lainey Feingold, Debra >> Patkin, Robyn Powell, and I will be participating on an ABA panel >> entitled Disability and Dispute Resolution: Practical Information for >> DR practitioners. It will be part of the ABA spring conference and >> will be held at Washington Hilton in Washington DC. A description of >> the panel is below, and more information can be found here: >> https://www.americanbar.org/groups/dispute_resolution/events_cle/annual.html. >> >> We are interested in your suggestions on which topics to highlight, >> from issues facing attorneys who are blind, issues that mediators with >> disabilities have faced, clients with disabilities and issues with >> accommodating them, etc. Please email any suggestions and come to our >> panel if you are able to. >> >> Description: As peacemakers, inclusivity is key to our effectiveness >> and core to our values. Too often though, disability is left out when >> we talk about diversity, inclusion, and civil rights. This session >> will explore the intersection of dispute resolution and disability. >> Topics will include best practices for communicating with deaf and >> blind lawyers, parties and neutrals; Website accessibility and >> accessible print and electronic documents; accommodation policies; >> disability issues in collaborative (family law) practice; >> accessibility issues in Online Dispute Resolution (ODR), language and >> disability awareness; Structured Negotiation and other successful DR >> strategies for disability rights claims; issues for disabled >> mediators; and marketing mediation and legal services to the >> disability community. >> >> Deepa >> >> DEEPINDER K. GORAYA, ESQ. | STAFF ATTORNEY, DISABILITY RIGHTS PROJECT >> WASHINGTON LAWYERS' COMMITTEE FOR CIVIL RIGHTS AND URBAN AFFAIRS >> 11 Dupont Circle,NW, Suite 400 | Washington, DC 20036 >> 202-319-1000 X132 | Fax 202-319-1010 >> >> This email message is from an attorney and may contain information >> that is confidential, privileged and/or attorney work product. If you >> are not the intended recipient of this email, please immediately >> advise the sender that this message was inadvertently transmitted to >> you and delete this message, along with any attachments. Please note >> that if you are an attorney who received this email about a >> prospective client, you must maintain the confidences of the >> prospective client. Thank you for your cooperation. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/adrijana.prokopenko%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/deepa.goraya%40gmail.com >