[blindlaw] Track Changes

Wed Jun 13 05:23:36 UTC 2018

The short answer is that track changes is usable, but is very challenging to use. One strategy that I've been lately using is setting custom key commands to jump from one change to another. I find this more reliable than quick navigation keys, as the latter sometimes doesn't detect all changes in a document.

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> On Jun 13, 2018, at 8:57 AM, sy.hoekstra--- via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I don't have that issue with inserting comments.  I also don't think that
> using the JAWS features with track changes are all that bad, given how
> difficultthose kinds of shared editing tasks are to do with screen readers.
> 
> Also, I believe you can set JAWS to announce changes in font such as color
> or strike-through. I don't know how to do it myself, but I think someone
> here has discussed it previously. I think you can jump between changes in
> font color or whatever by messing with the text analyzer settings maybe?
> 
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> I understand how tracked changes are supposed to work and I can use them,
> but there are plenty of bugs. If you use a Braille display, the cursor
> position is almost always inaccurate surrounding track changes. (The same is
> true with numbered lists and various cross-reference fields and is dreadful
> with autonumbered lists such as one uses for exhibit identifiers in
> affidavits.) Further, inserting comments sometimes causes JAWS to freeze or
> to stop interacting with a document until both JAWS and Word are restarted.
> Whatever Freedom Scientific have done with this feature, they clearly
> haven't tested it very well.
> 
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> If anyone has an answer please share it as I too have problems with track
> changes and it is a massive pain.
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> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Singh, Nandini via
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> Sent: Wednesday, 13 June 2018 9:29 AM
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> Cc: Singh, Nandini <NSingh at cov.com>
> Subject: [blindlaw] Track Changes
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> I still have one more category of questioning, and with that, I promise to
> pipe down for a bit. Among you JAWS users and editing using red line and/or
> track changes, how do you find JAWS' level of access? Is it good? Is it
> reliable? Can you confidently identify what text has been deleted or added?
> Those who use or have experience with another screen reader, do you find it
> easy to manage track changes?
> 
> I ask because I have been explaining to my firm the challenges of using JAWS
> with track changes and hence the need to have some good alternatives. Some
> people find it incredible that there is no good and reliable technology that
> can handle something like track and do so entirely non-visually. I thought I
> would confirm with all of you myself before I politely maintain my line.
> From: Brian Unitt [mailto:BrianUnitt at holsteinlaw.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 2:03 PM
> To: Singh, Nandini
> Subject: RE: JAWS 2018
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I haven't used that function, but think you might find what you are looking
> for here:
> https://doccenter.freedomscientific.com/doccenter2/doccenter/rs25c51746a0cc/
> TrackChanges/02-WordTrackChangesWithJAWS.htm
> You've got me curious to try this out.
> 
> Brian
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> From: Singh, Nandini <NSingh at cov.com<mailto:NSingh at cov.com>>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 10:15 AM
> To: Brian Unitt
> <BrianUnitt at holsteinlaw.com<mailto:BrianUnitt at holsteinlaw.com>>
> Subject: RE: JAWS 2018
> 
> Thanks. I think I figured out what is going on with sentences, and I like
> the insert-control-F idea. That works better. I do have another question. I
> am working with a group that is quite fond of track changes. Is there a
> quick way to accept all changes in a document? If so, is there a keystroke?
> 
> From: Brian Unitt [mailto:BrianUnitt at holsteinlaw.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 12:15 PM
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> Cc: Singh, Nandini
> Subject: RE: JAWS 2018
> 
> Hi Nikki,
> 
> I can't duplicate those issues as I am using JAWS 2018 with Windows 7.  I
> can suggest trying the JAWS find command insert-control-f.  I find I have to
> use that in programs like Acrobat Reader where the regular control-f doesn't
> work properly.
> 
> You might also check the knowledge base on the JAWS website to make sure
> your Windows 10 settings are optimized for JAWS.  Then definitely let the
> tech support people know about the issue, in my experience they are very
> helpful.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Brian
> Brian C. Unitt
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> From: BlindLaw
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> Of Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw
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> Cc: Singh, Nandini <NSingh at cov.com<mailto:NSingh at cov.com>>
> Subject: [blindlaw] JAWS 2018
> 
> this may warrant an email to FS, but can anyone tell me why basic functions
> of JAWS may fail to work correctly? I am on JAWS 2018 and Windows 10. My
> find command, using control-F, and "read sentence," with the use of alt up
> or down arrow, do not work at all. Any ideas would be appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> Nikki
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