From chris.stewart at uky.edu  Thu Nov  1 14:02:15 2018
From: chris.stewart at uky.edu (Stewart, Christopher K)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2018 09:02:15 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] conducting investigations
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That's really interesting info. And now that you mention it, it makes
a lot of sense. In fact, everything I pointed out about tone of voice,
body movement, Etc. are all things which require a baseline knowledge
of the person. They're also instances where the person's reactions
could, as you said, be the result of something completely different. I
know investigators who swear they can spot someone lying, but I
imagine that may well be confirmation bias. They tend to interview
criminals. Criminals frequently lye. They've caught many criminals
lying. Therefore their inclinations must have been correct.

Anyhow, thanks for the info.



On 11/1/18, Sai <sai at fiatfiendum.org> wrote:
> FWIW: the research on this (which I know fairly well because it was
> related to my master's thesis and also to my litigation about TSA's SPOT
> program) is pretty solidly in favor of one conclusion:
>
> There does not exist any reliable way to detect lies, short of using an
> fMRI scanner. The best results shown to date are barely even
> statistically significant (let alone practically), and even those are
> only in highly controlled and unnatural settings.
>
>
> There are somewhat reliable ways to detect *emotions*, but they rely
> substantially on knowing that specific person's baseline. So e.g. you
> could detect that someone is nervous, angry, smug, etc.
>
>
> However, knowing that emotion doesn't tell you whether they're lying or
> not.
>
> Suppose e.g. that someone in a police interrogation room responds with
> fear when accused of raping someone. Are they afraid of being caught?
> Afraid of a false accusation? Reminded of a traumatic personal history?
> Afraid of perceived aggression? Randomly thinking about something else?
> Claustrophobic? Afraid they'll get a shiv while locked up? Afraid for
> what might happen to their family? Afraid of being caught in an actual
> lie? Afraid the cop will do a search and find the (totally unrelated)
> crack rock in their sock? Etc. etc.
>
>
> There are simply too many possible reasons someone can experience an
> emotion. Without knowing that specific person very, very well, you can't
> correctly make the jump (as various agencies would like to do) from
> "expression of fear" to "sign of guilt".
>
> Same is true for every symptom you  listed.
>
> Same is true for a polygraph, which is why it's inadmissible. It's pure
> bullshit whose effects rely entirely on whether the subject believes it,
> and whether you care about the risk of false confessions.
>
> "Gut feeling" has been repeatedly proven to be not just wrong, but often
> worse than wrong — it heavily plays into confirmation bias, bigotry,
> etc. Results are no better for "experienced" people like cops & judges.
>
>
> If you want to catch someone in a lie, you have to rely on logic,
> contradictory evidence, etc. Not whether or not the person fidgets.
>
> (Maybe your chairs are uncomfortable, or they need to go pee…)
>
>
> I've attached some recent meta-analysis papers on the subject in case
> you want to read for yourself.
>
> Sincerely,
> Sai
> President, Fiat Fiendum, Inc.
>
> On 10/31/18 16:48, Stewart, Christopher K via BlindLaw wrote:
>> This claim is ableist and absurd. First, many common tells of lying
>> are readily detectable to a blind person: throat clearing; vocal
>> tension; shallower breathing; fidgiting or feet shuffling; over
>> verbosity; unnatural hesitations inconsistent with the rest of their
>> answers. I could go on and on. The notion that because we can't see
>> one or two visual cues we can't spot a falsehood is ridiculous.
>>
>> Moreover, in investigative work, experienced investigators will tell
>> you they often follow their gut. Of course blind people have gut
>> instincts as well. But at the end of the day, as lawyers, what our gut
>> says doesn't matter, it's what the testimony and the facts reveal.
>> That's the record we work with. I've seen seasoned lawyers go down
>> rabbit holes in depositions that leave me scratching my head, knowing
>> they just waisted their time and didn't get what they were after. It
>> happens, and it has nothing to do with whether or not they can see.
>>
>> Best,
>> Chris
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> BlindLaw mailing list
>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
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>>
>


-- 
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Attorney at Law
KBA #97351
Ph:
(502)457-1757


From sai at fiatfiendum.org  Thu Nov  1 14:21:41 2018
From: sai at fiatfiendum.org (Sai)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2018 15:21:41 +0100
Subject: [blindlaw] conducting investigations
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> They tend to interview criminals.

*Alleged* criminals entitled to, but rarely receiving, presumption of
Innocence.

One of the compounding problems is that the people targeted for
investigation to begin with are a hugely skewed group. They then get pushed
to plea, even if innocent, which in turn makes the prosecution think they
were right, and feeds that cycle — completely regardless of actual accuracy.

Which is why e.g. an experienced cop may well have a completely sincere and
good faith "gut feeling" that the black guy did it and is lying, and not
even be (consciously) racist, but still be wrong.

Allowing this kind of totally spurious yet sincerely believed
pseudo-evidence into the process, anywhere, inevitably and systemically
worsens biases.

Blinding (in the other sense) is actually one of the few things that
provably improves your lie detection ability, because you don't get exposed
to distractor information that would bias your logic.

So if you're blind and can't see their mannerisms etc., that "disability"
is actually a *good* thing for your ability to get to the truth.

Ironic, and a bit of a pun… but it's true.

Sincerely,
Sai

Sent from my phone; please excuse the concision and autocorrect typos.

On Nov 1, 2018 15:02, "Stewart, Christopher K" <chris.stewart at uky.edu>
wrote:

That's really interesting info. And now that you mention it, it makes
a lot of sense. In fact, everything I pointed out about tone of voice,
body movement, Etc. are all things which require a baseline knowledge
of the person. They're also instances where the person's reactions
could, as you said, be the result of something completely different. I
know investigators who swear they can spot someone lying, but I
imagine that may well be confirmation bias. They tend to interview
criminals. Criminals frequently lye. They've caught many criminals
lying. Therefore their inclinations must have been correct.

Anyhow, thanks for the info.




On 11/1/18, Sai <sai at fiatfiendum.org> wrote:
> FWIW: the research on this (which I know fairly well because it was
> related to my master's thesis and also to my litigation about TSA's SPOT
> program) is pretty solidly in favor of one conclusion:
>
> There does not exist any reliable way to detect lies, short of using an
> fMRI scanner. The best results shown to date are barely even
> statistically significant (let alone practically), and even those are
> only in highly controlled and unnatural settings.
>
>
> There are somewhat reliable ways to detect *emotions*, but they rely
> substantially on knowing that specific person's baseline. So e.g. you
> could detect that someone is nervous, angry, smug, etc.
>
>
> However, knowing that emotion doesn't tell you whether they're lying or
> not.
>
> Suppose e.g. that someone in a police interrogation room responds with
> fear when accused of raping someone. Are they afraid of being caught?
> Afraid of a false accusation? Reminded of a traumatic personal history?
> Afraid of perceived aggression? Randomly thinking about something else?
> Claustrophobic? Afraid they'll get a shiv while locked up? Afraid for
> what might happen to their family? Afraid of being caught in an actual
> lie? Afraid the cop will do a search and find the (totally unrelated)
> crack rock in their sock? Etc. etc.
>
>
> There are simply too many possible reasons someone can experience an
> emotion. Without knowing that specific person very, very well, you can't
> correctly make the jump (as various agencies would like to do) from
> "expression of fear" to "sign of guilt".
>
> Same is true for every symptom you  listed.
>
> Same is true for a polygraph, which is why it's inadmissible. It's pure
> bullshit whose effects rely entirely on whether the subject believes it,
> and whether you care about the risk of false confessions.
>
> "Gut feeling" has been repeatedly proven to be not just wrong, but often
> worse than wrong — it heavily plays into confirmation bias, bigotry,
> etc. Results are no better for "experienced" people like cops & judges.
>
>
> If you want to catch someone in a lie, you have to rely on logic,
> contradictory evidence, etc. Not whether or not the person fidgets.
>
> (Maybe your chairs are uncomfortable, or they need to go pee…)
>
>
> I've attached some recent meta-analysis papers on the subject in case
> you want to read for yourself.
>
> Sincerely,
> Sai
> President, Fiat Fiendum, Inc.
>
> On 10/31/18 16:48, Stewart, Christopher K via BlindLaw wrote:
>> This claim is ableist and absurd. First, many common tells of lying
>> are readily detectable to a blind person: throat clearing; vocal
>> tension; shallower breathing; fidgiting or feet shuffling; over
>> verbosity; unnatural hesitations inconsistent with the rest of their
>> answers. I could go on and on. The notion that because we can't see
>> one or two visual cues we can't spot a falsehood is ridiculous.
>>
>> Moreover, in investigative work, experienced investigators will tell
>> you they often follow their gut. Of course blind people have gut
>> instincts as well. But at the end of the day, as lawyers, what our gut
>> says doesn't matter, it's what the testimony and the facts reveal.
>> That's the record we work with. I've seen seasoned lawyers go down
>> rabbit holes in depositions that leave me scratching my head, knowing
>> they just waisted their time and didn't get what they were after. It
>> happens, and it has nothing to do with whether or not they can see.
>>
>> Best,
>> Chris
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> BlindLaw mailing list
>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> BlindLaw:
>>
http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sai%40fiatfiendum.org
>>
>


-- 
Chris K. Stewart
Attorney at Law
KBA #97351
Ph:
(502)457-1757

From cjdavis9193 at gmail.com  Thu Nov  1 15:38:38 2018
From: cjdavis9193 at gmail.com (Cody Davis)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2018 11:38:38 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Anyone using iPad as laptop replacement in the workplace?
Message-ID: <70BCBA47-3083-4D83-A2D5-5746D02F3A89@gmail.com>

All,

Does anyone have any experience using an iPad Pro with Voiceover as a laptop replacement at work? I’m curious how viable of an option that would be. Did you have to use it along with a desktop, or were you able to use the iPad as your primary computer.?

In your experience, if the iPad Pro a redundancy if I am already using an iPhone? 

Thanks for any input.


Respectfully,
Cody J. Davis, J.D., M.P.A.
Email: cjdavis9193 at gmail.com
Phone: (919) 349-9799
Linkedin: www.linkedin.com/in/codyjdavisesq



From joshl at loevy.com  Thu Nov  1 15:43:09 2018
From: joshl at loevy.com (Josh Loevy)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2018 10:43:09 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Anyone using iPad as laptop replacement in the
 workplace?
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References: <70BCBA47-3083-4D83-A2D5-5746D02F3A89@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55426b618e03829154bb6e678df65951@mail.gmail.com>

If I may add an addendum to this question...
If you are using IOS as a laptop sub, can you speak to the word processing
experience specifically? I have heard good things about Scrivener as a
legal writing tool, has anyone used that?
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From agtolentino at gmail.com  Thu Nov  1 15:49:46 2018
From: agtolentino at gmail.com (Aser Tolentino)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2018 08:49:46 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Anyone using iPad as laptop replacement in the
 workplace?
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Good morning,

I like to think of the iPad Pro like the F/A-22 Raptor. It’s really sleek and sexy and does some things incredibly well, and some things less well. I occasionally get into a mood where I do as much on iOS as possible, but even though the smart keyboard and split screen do a lot to make iOS more multitasking friendly then it used to be, I would still say that it’s nothing like sitting in front of my laptop alt-tabbing between the web, two documents, email and a book. Scrivener is really cool, in fact I’m going to start a book on it for National Novel Writing Month today on an iPad, but I think to fully take advantage of it, you’d want to run it on a Mac: the PC version doesn’t work with JAWS.

Because of the split-screen functionality, I would say there are advantages to the iPad over the phone, particularly if you have some sight, but mileage may vary there. I like taking notes on the iPhone but ultimately always return to Word for a more responsive and fleshed out proofing experience. Apps like Drafts that sync to the cloud make this workflow really smooth. Anyway, those are just my two cents. Please let me know if you have any questions you think I can help out with.

Respectfully,
Aser Tolentino, Esq.

> On Nov 1, 2018, at 08:38, Cody Davis via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> All,
> 
> Does anyone have any experience using an iPad Pro with Voiceover as a laptop replacement at work? I’m curious how viable of an option that would be. Did you have to use it along with a desktop, or were you able to use the iPad as your primary computer.?
> 
> In your experience, if the iPad Pro a redundancy if I am already using an iPhone? 
> 
> Thanks for any input.
> 
> 
> Respectfully,
> Cody J. Davis, J.D., M.P.A.
> Email: cjdavis9193 at gmail.com
> Phone: (919) 349-9799
> Linkedin: www.linkedin.com/in/codyjdavisesq
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> BlindLaw mailing list
> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
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From cjdavis9193 at gmail.com  Thu Nov  1 15:53:46 2018
From: cjdavis9193 at gmail.com (Cody Davis)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2018 11:53:46 -0400
Subject: [blindlaw] Anyone using iPad as laptop replacement in the
 workplace?
In-Reply-To: <11648D1C-B9F2-4D5D-9895-82690E241CD7@gmail.com>
References: <70BCBA47-3083-4D83-A2D5-5746D02F3A89@gmail.com>
	<11648D1C-B9F2-4D5D-9895-82690E241CD7@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F01D0A2E-3392-4390-A78C-90992720E1B0@gmail.com>

Thanks for that input. 

Respectfully,
Cody J. Davis, J.D., M.P.A.
Email: cjdavis9193 at gmail.com
Phone: (919) 349-9799
Linkedin: www.linkedin.com/in/codyjdavisesq

> On Nov 1, 2018, at 11:49 AM, Aser Tolentino via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Good morning,
> 
> I like to think of the iPad Pro like the F/A-22 Raptor. It’s really sleek and sexy and does some things incredibly well, and some things less well. I occasionally get into a mood where I do as much on iOS as possible, but even though the smart keyboard and split screen do a lot to make iOS more multitasking friendly then it used to be, I would still say that it’s nothing like sitting in front of my laptop alt-tabbing between the web, two documents, email and a book. Scrivener is really cool, in fact I’m going to start a book on it for National Novel Writing Month today on an iPad, but I think to fully take advantage of it, you’d want to run it on a Mac: the PC version doesn’t work with JAWS.
> 
> Because of the split-screen functionality, I would say there are advantages to the iPad over the phone, particularly if you have some sight, but mileage may vary there. I like taking notes on the iPhone but ultimately always return to Word for a more responsive and fleshed out proofing experience. Apps like Drafts that sync to the cloud make this workflow really smooth. Anyway, those are just my two cents. Please let me know if you have any questions you think I can help out with.
> 
> Respectfully,
> Aser Tolentino, Esq.
> 
>> On Nov 1, 2018, at 08:38, Cody Davis via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> All,
>> 
>> Does anyone have any experience using an iPad Pro with Voiceover as a laptop replacement at work? I’m curious how viable of an option that would be. Did you have to use it along with a desktop, or were you able to use the iPad as your primary computer.?
>> 
>> In your experience, if the iPad Pro a redundancy if I am already using an iPhone? 
>> 
>> Thanks for any input.
>> 
>> 
>> Respectfully,
>> Cody J. Davis, J.D., M.P.A.
>> Email: cjdavis9193 at gmail.com
>> Phone: (919) 349-9799
>> Linkedin: www.linkedin.com/in/codyjdavisesq
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> BlindLaw mailing list
>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/agtolentino%40gmail.com
> 
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From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Fri Nov  2 13:24:37 2018
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2018 07:24:37 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Attorney and Legal Internship Vacancies at the U.S.
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Job Title Law Student Volunteer, Summer
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/law-student-volunteer-summer-37>


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State Kentucky 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated November 2, 2018 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization National Security Division (NSD) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Law Student Volunteer
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/law-student-volunteer-134>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State District of Columbia 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated November 1, 2018 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization National Security Division (NSD) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Attorney Advisor(s)
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/attorney-advisors>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated November 1, 2018 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization USAO Eastern District of California 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Special Assistant U.S. Attorney (Uncompensated)
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/special-assistant-us-attorney-unc
ompensated-2>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State California 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated November 1, 2018 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization USAO Eastern District of California 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Special Assistant U.S. Attorney (Uncompensated)
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/special-assistant-us-attorney-unc
ompensated-1>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State California 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated November 1, 2018 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Attorney Advisor (General)
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/attorney-advisor-general>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State Virginia 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated November 1, 2018 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization USAO Western District of Virginia 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Law Student Volunteer
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/law-student-volunteer-43>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State Virginia 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated November 1, 2018 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization United States Trustee Program (USTP) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Assistant US Trustee (AUST)
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/assistant-us-trustee-aust-3>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State Tennessee 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated November 1, 2018 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization Civil Rights Division (CRT) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Trial Attorney
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/trial-attorney-293>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State District of Columbia 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated November 1, 2018 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization Civil Rights Division (CRT) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Trial Attorney HTPU
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/trial-attorney-htpu>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State District of Columbia 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated November 1, 2018 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title General Attorney
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/general-attorney-82>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State District of Columbia 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated November 1, 2018 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization USAO Eastern District of Arkansas 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Assistant United States Attorney
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/assistant-united-states-attorney-
851>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State Arkansas 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated October 31, 2018 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization USAO Southern District of Alabama 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Law Student Volunteer (Summer 2019)
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/law-student-volunteer-summer-2019
-6>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State Alabama 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated October 31, 2018 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Forces (OCDETF) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Associate Director for Prosecutorial Operations
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/supervisory-attorney-advisor-23>


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State District of Columbia 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated October 31, 2018 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization USAO Northern District of Ohio 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Law Student Volunteer - Summer 2019
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/law-student-volunteer-summer-2019
-5>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State Ohio 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated October 31, 2018 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Attorney <https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/attorney-58>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State Virginia 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated October 31, 2018 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization USAO Northern District of Georgia 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Law Student Volunteer, Summer
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/law-student-volunteer-summer-25>


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State Georgia 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated October 29, 2018 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization United States Attorney's Office (USAO) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Assistant United States Attorney (AUSA)
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/assistant-united-states-attorney-
ausa-66>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State Indiana 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated October 29, 2018 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Attorney <https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/attorney-51>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State Virginia 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated October 29, 2018 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization USAO District of Arizona 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title AUSA <https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/ausa-92>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State Arizona 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated October 29, 2018 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization USAO District of Arizona 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title AUSA <https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/ausa-93>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State Arizona 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated October 29, 2018 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization Criminal Division (CRM) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Supervisory Trial Attorney (Deputy Chief, Securities and Financial
Fraud Unit)
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/supervisory-trial-attorney-deputy
-chief-securities-and-financial-fraud-unit>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State District of Columbia 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated October 29, 2018 


Hiring Organization
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&page=1&order=name&sort
=asc>  

Job Title
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&page=1&order=title&sor
t=asc>  

State
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&page=1&order=field_va_
location_administrative_area&sort=asc>  

Posted/ Updated
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&page=1&order=changed&s
ort=asc>  


Hiring Organization
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&page=1&order=name&sort
=asc>  Criminal Division (CRM) 

Job Title
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&page=1&order=title&sor
t=asc>  Supervisory Trial Attorney (Deputy Chief, Securities and Financial
Fraud Unit)
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/supervisory-trial-attorney-deputy
-chief-securities-and-financial-fraud-unit>  

State
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&page=1&order=field_va_
location_administrative_area&sort=asc>  District of Columbia 

Posted/ Updated
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&page=1&order=changed&s
ort=asc>  October 29, 2018 


Hiring Organization
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&page=1&order=name&sort
=asc>  Criminal Division (CRM) 

Job Title
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&page=1&order=title&sor
t=asc>  AUSA <https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/ausa-91>  

State
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&page=1&order=field_va_
location_administrative_area&sort=asc>  California 

Posted/ Updated
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&page=1&order=changed&s
ort=asc>  October 26, 2018 


Hiring Organization
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&page=1&order=name&sort
=asc>  Civil Rights Division (CRT) 

Job Title
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&page=1&order=title&sor
t=asc>  Lawe Student Volunteer - Spring, Summer, and Fall Housing
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/lawe-student-volunteer-spring-sum
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From rene0373 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  2 17:38:15 2018
From: rene0373 at gmail.com (Elizabeth Rene)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2018 10:38:15 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] Conducting Investigations
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Amen, Chris, well put.
This goes for jury service too, and for trying cases from the bench.

Elizabeth M René 
Attorney at Law 
WSBA #10710 
KCBA #21824
rene0373 at gmail.com 

From ETroutman at BrooksPierce.com  Mon Nov  5 00:37:44 2018
From: ETroutman at BrooksPierce.com (Elizabeth Troutman)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2018 00:37:44 +0000
Subject: [blindlaw] conducting investigations
Message-ID: <94e3f6ad47fa42b5ba0d2c05fc67efd7@BrooksPierce.com>

A huge thanks to everyone who responded to my post about investigations. It didn't feel right when I was told that blind people can't conduct investigations well, but it's hard to argue when you're genuinely uninformed. I am now armed with some good information to start addressing the assumptions and getting myself trained up. I feel so fortunate to have this group.
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2018 09:02:15 -0500
From: "Stewart, Christopher K" <chris.stewart at uky.edu<mailto:chris.stewart at uky.edu>>
To: Sai <sai at fiatfiendum.org<mailto:sai at fiatfiendum.org>>
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That's really interesting info. And now that you mention it, it makes
a lot of sense. In fact, everything I pointed out about tone of voice,
body movement, Etc. are all things which require a baseline knowledge
of the person. They're also instances where the person's reactions
could, as you said, be the result of something completely different. I
know investigators who swear they can spot someone lying, but I
imagine that may well be confirmation bias. They tend to interview
criminals. Criminals frequently lye. They've caught many criminals
lying. Therefore their inclinations must have been correct.

Anyhow, thanks for the info.



On 11/1/18, Sai <sai at fiatfiendum.org<mailto:sai at fiatfiendum.org>> wrote:
> FWIW: the research on this (which I know fairly well because it was
> related to my master's thesis and also to my litigation about TSA's SPOT
> program) is pretty solidly in favor of one conclusion:
>
> There does not exist any reliable way to detect lies, short of using an
> fMRI scanner. The best results shown to date are barely even
> statistically significant (let alone practically), and even those are
> only in highly controlled and unnatural settings.
>
>
> There are somewhat reliable ways to detect *emotions*, but they rely
> substantially on knowing that specific person's baseline. So e.g. you
> could detect that someone is nervous, angry, smug, etc.
>
>
> However, knowing that emotion doesn't tell you whether they're lying or
> not.
>
> Suppose e.g. that someone in a police interrogation room responds with
> fear when accused of raping someone. Are they afraid of being caught?
> Afraid of a false accusation? Reminded of a traumatic personal history?
> Afraid of perceived aggression? Randomly thinking about something else?
> Claustrophobic? Afraid they'll get a shiv while locked up? Afraid for
> what might happen to their family? Afraid of being caught in an actual
> lie? Afraid the cop will do a search and find the (totally unrelated)
> crack rock in their sock? Etc. etc.
>
>
> There are simply too many possible reasons someone can experience an
> emotion. Without knowing that specific person very, very well, you can't
> correctly make the jump (as various agencies would like to do) from
> "expression of fear" to "sign of guilt".
>
> Same is true for every symptom you listed.
>
> Same is true for a polygraph, which is why it's inadmissible. It's pure
> bullshit whose effects rely entirely on whether the subject believes it,
> and whether you care about the risk of false confessions.
>
> "Gut feeling" has been repeatedly proven to be not just wrong, but often
> worse than wrong ? it heavily plays into confirmation bias, bigotry,
> etc. Results are no better for "experienced" people like cops & judges.
>
>
> If you want to catch someone in a lie, you have to rely on logic,
> contradictory evidence, etc. Not whether or not the person fidgets.
>
> (Maybe your chairs are uncomfortable, or they need to go pee?)
>
>
> I've attached some recent meta-analysis papers on the subject in case
> you want to read for yourself.
>
> Sincerely,
> Sai
> President, Fiat Fiendum, Inc.
>
> On 10/31/18 16:48, Stewart, Christopher K via BlindLaw wrote:
>> This claim is ableist and absurd. First, many common tells of lying
>> are readily detectable to a blind person: throat clearing; vocal
>> tension; shallower breathing; fidgiting or feet shuffling; over
>> verbosity; unnatural hesitations inconsistent with the rest of their
>> answers. I could go on and on. The notion that because we can't see
>> one or two visual cues we can't spot a falsehood is ridiculous.
>>
>> Moreover, in investigative work, experienced investigators will tell
>> you they often follow their gut. Of course blind people have gut
>> instincts as well. But at the end of the day, as lawyers, what our gut
>> says doesn't matter, it's what the testimony and the facts reveal.
>> That's the record we work with. I've seen seasoned lawyers go down
>> rabbit holes in depositions that leave me scratching my head, knowing
>> they just waisted their time and didn't get what they were after. It
>> happens, and it has nothing to do with whether or not they can see.
>>
>> Best,
>> Chris
>>
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>>
>


--
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Attorney at Law
KBA #97351
Ph:
(502)457-1757



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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2018 15:21:41 +0100
From: Sai <sai at fiatfiendum.org<mailto:sai at fiatfiendum.org>>
To: "Stewart, Christopher K" <chris.stewart at uky.edu<mailto:chris.stewart at uky.edu>>
Cc: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] conducting investigations
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> They tend to interview criminals.

*Alleged* criminals entitled to, but rarely receiving, presumption of
Innocence.

One of the compounding problems is that the people targeted for
investigation to begin with are a hugely skewed group. They then get pushed
to plea, even if innocent, which in turn makes the prosecution think they
were right, and feeds that cycle ? completely regardless of actual accuracy.

Which is why e.g. an experienced cop may well have a completely sincere and
good faith "gut feeling" that the black guy did it and is lying, and not
even be (consciously) racist, but still be wrong.

Allowing this kind of totally spurious yet sincerely believed
pseudo-evidence into the process, anywhere, inevitably and systemically
worsens biases.

Blinding (in the other sense) is actually one of the few things that
provably improves your lie detection ability, because you don't get exposed
to distractor information that would bias your logic.

So if you're blind and can't see their mannerisms etc., that "disability"
is actually a *good* thing for your ability to get to the truth.

Ironic, and a bit of a pun? but it's true.

Sincerely,
Sai

Sent from my phone; please excuse the concision and autocorrect typos.

On Nov 1, 2018 15:02, "Stewart, Christopher K" <chris.stewart at uky.edu<mailto:chris.stewart at uky.edu>>
wrote:

That's really interesting info. And now that you mention it, it makes
a lot of sense. In fact, everything I pointed out about tone of voice,
body movement, Etc. are all things which require a baseline knowledge
of the person. They're also instances where the person's reactions
could, as you said, be the result of something completely different. I
know investigators who swear they can spot someone lying, but I
imagine that may well be confirmation bias. They tend to interview
criminals. Criminals frequently lye. They've caught many criminals
lying. Therefore their inclinations must have been correct.

Anyhow, thanks for the info.




On 11/1/18, Sai <sai at fiatfiendum.org<mailto:sai at fiatfiendum.org>> wrote:
> FWIW: the research on this (which I know fairly well because it was
> related to my master's thesis and also to my litigation about TSA's SPOT
> program) is pretty solidly in favor of one conclusion:
>
> There does not exist any reliable way to detect lies, short of using an
> fMRI scanner. The best results shown to date are barely even
> statistically significant (let alone practically), and even those are
> only in highly controlled and unnatural settings.
>
>
> There are somewhat reliable ways to detect *emotions*, but they rely
> substantially on knowing that specific person's baseline. So e.g. you
> could detect that someone is nervous, angry, smug, etc.
>
>
> However, knowing that emotion doesn't tell you whether they're lying or
> not.
>
> Suppose e.g. that someone in a police interrogation room responds with
> fear when accused of raping someone. Are they afraid of being caught?
> Afraid of a false accusation? Reminded of a traumatic personal history?
> Afraid of perceived aggression? Randomly thinking about something else?
> Claustrophobic? Afraid they'll get a shiv while locked up? Afraid for
> what might happen to their family? Afraid of being caught in an actual
> lie? Afraid the cop will do a search and find the (totally unrelated)
> crack rock in their sock? Etc. etc.
>
>
> There are simply too many possible reasons someone can experience an
> emotion. Without knowing that specific person very, very well, you can't
> correctly make the jump (as various agencies would like to do) from
> "expression of fear" to "sign of guilt".
>
> Same is true for every symptom you listed.
>
> Same is true for a polygraph, which is why it's inadmissible. It's pure
> bullshit whose effects rely entirely on whether the subject believes it,
> and whether you care about the risk of false confessions.
>
> "Gut feeling" has been repeatedly proven to be not just wrong, but often
> worse than wrong ? it heavily plays into confirmation bias, bigotry,
> etc. Results are no better for "experienced" people like cops & judges.
>
>
> If you want to catch someone in a lie, you have to rely on logic,
> contradictory evidence, etc. Not whether or not the person fidgets.
>
> (Maybe your chairs are uncomfortable, or they need to go pee?)
>
>
> I've attached some recent meta-analysis papers on the subject in case
> you want to read for yourself.
>
> Sincerely,
> Sai
> President, Fiat Fiendum, Inc.
>
> On 10/31/18 16:48, Stewart, Christopher K via BlindLaw wrote:
>> This claim is ableist and absurd. First, many common tells of lying
>> are readily detectable to a blind person: throat clearing; vocal
>> tension; shallower breathing; fidgiting or feet shuffling; over
>> verbosity; unnatural hesitations inconsistent with the rest of their
>> answers. I could go on and on. The notion that because we can't see
>> one or two visual cues we can't spot a falsehood is ridiculous.
>>
>> Moreover, in investigative work, experienced investigators will tell
>> you they often follow their gut. Of course blind people have gut
>> instincts as well. But at the end of the day, as lawyers, what our gut
>> says doesn't matter, it's what the testimony and the facts reveal.
>> That's the record we work with. I've seen seasoned lawyers go down
>> rabbit holes in depositions that leave me scratching my head, knowing
>> they just waisted their time and didn't get what they were after. It
>> happens, and it has nothing to do with whether or not they can see.
>>
>> Best,
>> Chris
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>


--
Chris K. Stewart
Attorney at Law
KBA #97351
Ph:
(502)457-1757


------------------------------

Message: 3
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2018 11:38:38 -0400
From: Cody Davis <cjdavis9193 at gmail.com<mailto:cjdavis9193 at gmail.com>>
To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>
Subject: [blindlaw] Anyone using iPad as laptop replacement in the
workplace?
Message-ID: <70BCBA47-3083-4D83-A2D5-5746D02F3A89 at gmail.com<mailto:70BCBA47-3083-4D83-A2D5-5746D02F3A89 at gmail.com>>
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All,

Does anyone have any experience using an iPad Pro with Voiceover as a laptop replacement at work? I?m curious how viable of an option that would be. Did you have to use it along with a desktop, or were you able to use the iPad as your primary computer.?

In your experience, if the iPad Pro a redundancy if I am already using an iPhone?

Thanks for any input.


Respectfully,
Cody J. Davis, J.D., M.P.A.
Email: cjdavis9193 at gmail.com<mailto:cjdavis9193 at gmail.com>
Phone: (919) 349-9799
Linkedin: www.linkedin.com/in/codyjdavisesq<http://www.linkedin.com/in/codyjdavisesq>




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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2018 10:43:09 -0500
From: Josh Loevy <joshl at loevy.com<mailto:joshl at loevy.com>>
To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Anyone using iPad as laptop replacement in the
workplace?
Message-ID: <55426b618e03829154bb6e678df65951 at mail.gmail.com<mailto:55426b618e03829154bb6e678df65951 at mail.gmail.com>>
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If I may add an addendum to this question...
If you are using IOS as a laptop sub, can you speak to the word processing
experience specifically? I have heard good things about Scrivener as a
legal writing tool, has anyone used that?
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Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2018 08:49:46 -0700
From: Aser Tolentino <agtolentino at gmail.com<mailto:agtolentino at gmail.com>>
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Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Anyone using iPad as laptop replacement in the
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Good morning,

I like to think of the iPad Pro like the F/A-22 Raptor. It?s really sleek and sexy and does some things incredibly well, and some things less well. I occasionally get into a mood where I do as much on iOS as possible, but even though the smart keyboard and split screen do a lot to make iOS more multitasking friendly then it used to be, I would still say that it?s nothing like sitting in front of my laptop alt-tabbing between the web, two documents, email and a book. Scrivener is really cool, in fact I?m going to start a book on it for National Novel Writing Month today on an iPad, but I think to fully take advantage of it, you?d want to run it on a Mac: the PC version doesn?t work with JAWS.

Because of the split-screen functionality, I would say there are advantages to the iPad over the phone, particularly if you have some sight, but mileage may vary there. I like taking notes on the iPhone but ultimately always return to Word for a more responsive and fleshed out proofing experience. Apps like Drafts that sync to the cloud make this workflow really smooth. Anyway, those are just my two cents. Please let me know if you have any questions you think I can help out with.

Respectfully,
Aser Tolentino, Esq.

> On Nov 1, 2018, at 08:38, Cody Davis via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>
> All,
>
> Does anyone have any experience using an iPad Pro with Voiceover as a laptop replacement at work? I?m curious how viable of an option that would be. Did you have to use it along with a desktop, or were you able to use the iPad as your primary computer.?
>
> In your experience, if the iPad Pro a redundancy if I am already using an iPhone?
>
> Thanks for any input.
>
>
> Respectfully,
> Cody J. Davis, J.D., M.P.A.
> Email: cjdavis9193 at gmail.com<mailto:cjdavis9193 at gmail.com>
> Phone: (919) 349-9799
> Linkedin: www.linkedin.com/in/codyjdavisesq<http://www.linkedin.com/in/codyjdavisesq>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2018 11:53:46 -0400
From: Cody Davis <cjdavis9193 at gmail.com<mailto:cjdavis9193 at gmail.com>>
To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Anyone using iPad as laptop replacement in the
workplace?
Message-ID: <F01D0A2E-3392-4390-A78C-90992720E1B0 at gmail.com<mailto:F01D0A2E-3392-4390-A78C-90992720E1B0 at gmail.com>>
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Thanks for that input.

Respectfully,
Cody J. Davis, J.D., M.P.A.
Email: cjdavis9193 at gmail.com<mailto:cjdavis9193 at gmail.com>
Phone: (919) 349-9799
Linkedin: www.linkedin.com/in/codyjdavisesq<http://www.linkedin.com/in/codyjdavisesq>

> On Nov 1, 2018, at 11:49 AM, Aser Tolentino via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>
> Good morning,
>
> I like to think of the iPad Pro like the F/A-22 Raptor. It?s really sleek and sexy and does some things incredibly well, and some things less well. I occasionally get into a mood where I do as much on iOS as possible, but even though the smart keyboard and split screen do a lot to make iOS more multitasking friendly then it used to be, I would still say that it?s nothing like sitting in front of my laptop alt-tabbing between the web, two documents, email and a book. Scrivener is really cool, in fact I?m going to start a book on it for National Novel Writing Month today on an iPad, but I think to fully take advantage of it, you?d want to run it on a Mac: the PC version doesn?t work with JAWS.
>
> Because of the split-screen functionality, I would say there are advantages to the iPad over the phone, particularly if you have some sight, but mileage may vary there. I like taking notes on the iPhone but ultimately always return to Word for a more responsive and fleshed out proofing experience. Apps like Drafts that sync to the cloud make this workflow really smooth. Anyway, those are just my two cents. Please let me know if you have any questions you think I can help out with.
>
> Respectfully,
> Aser Tolentino, Esq.
>
>> On Nov 1, 2018, at 08:38, Cody Davis via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>
>> All,
>>
>> Does anyone have any experience using an iPad Pro with Voiceover as a laptop replacement at work? I?m curious how viable of an option that would be. Did you have to use it along with a desktop, or were you able to use the iPad as your primary computer.?
>>
>> In your experience, if the iPad Pro a redundancy if I am already using an iPhone?
>>
>> Thanks for any input.
>>
>>
>> Respectfully,
>> Cody J. Davis, J.D., M.P.A.
>> Email: cjdavis9193 at gmail.com<mailto:cjdavis9193 at gmail.com>
>> Phone: (919) 349-9799
>> Linkedin: www.linkedin.com/in/codyjdavisesq<http://www.linkedin.com/in/codyjdavisesq>
>>
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From sai at fiatfiendum.org  Mon Nov  5 09:58:34 2018
From: sai at fiatfiendum.org (Sai)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2018 10:58:34 +0100
Subject: [blindlaw] Supposedly suspicious behaviors (WAS: conducting
 investigations)
In-Reply-To: <94e3f6ad47fa42b5ba0d2c05fc67efd7@BrooksPierce.com>
References: <94e3f6ad47fa42b5ba0d2c05fc67efd7@BrooksPierce.com>
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On the subject of behaviors like gaze, sweat, shuffling, etc not
actually having any legitimate bearing on determining suspicion:

Here's an affidavit I filed in my case against all of TSA's policies.

At page 41, heading "SPOT behaviors", I exhaustively list behaviors that
are on the TSA SPOT ("behavior detection") profiling list, and explain
how they are in fact symptoms of my disability, exercise of
Constitutional rights, or just being a human.

PDF (as filed):
<https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzmetJxi-p0VOFZXLUdpRzJ6LXc/view?page=41>

Google Docs version (as drafted):
<https://drive.google.com/open?id=1XiqxmO3gRTZpXRrBGkEmcTYktJfigneeZdWSkV4npgY>


Google Docs version of TSA's SPOT checklist (transcribed by me):
<http://s.ai/tsa_spot>


Many of the supposedly suspicious behaviors are specifically related to
my blindness, namely:

1. "Observation and behavior analysis" - 4 or more points = selectee
screening, 6 or more points = automatic referral to police
* 1 point: Arrives ​late ​for ​flight, ​if ​known
* 1 point: Avoids eye contact with security personnel or LEO
* 2 points: Powerful ​grip ​of ​a ​bag ​and/or ​hand ​inside ​the ​bag
* 2 points: Rigid ​posture, ​minimal ​body ​movements ​with ​arms ​close
​to ​sides
* 3 points: Appears ​to ​be ​confused ​or ​disoriented
* 3 points: Appears ​to ​be ​in ​disguise

That's 12 points total, just for perceived symptoms related to my
blindness. Well over the 6 points for police referral.

2. "Signs of deception" - 2 or more = automatic referral to police
* Appearing ​not ​to ​understand ​questions
* Distracted ​or ​inability ​to ​pay ​attention ​to ​present ​situation
* Gazing down
* No ​or ​little ​direct ​eye ​contact
* Placing ​objects ​between ​self ​and ​official

(My affidavit has explanations of why each one applies to me.)

So basically, TSA's policy means that ordinary blind people are to be
referred to police for behaviors that are perfectly normal symptoms of
disability.


If you total everything I list in that affidavit as normal for me, I
have 56 points of "suspiciousness" (vs 6 for police referral) & 24
"signs of deception" (vs 2 for police referral).

It's completely absurd. One part of my lawsuit seeks to permanently
enjoin this program, and make TSA's documents about it public.


The case is Sai v Pekoske, No. 15-2356 (1st Cir.). Original proceeding
under 49 USC 46110, not an appeal.

I'm IFP and need counsel, so if any of you are interested or know
someone who may be, please get in touch.

Sincerely,
Sai
President, Fiat Fiendum, Inc.

On 11/5/18 01:37, Elizabeth Troutman via BlindLaw wrote:
> A huge thanks to everyone who responded to my post about investigations. It didn't feel right when I was told that blind people can't conduct investigations well, but it's hard to argue when you're genuinely uninformed. I am now armed with some good information to start addressing the assumptions and getting myself trained up. I feel so fortunate to have this group.
> Elizabeth
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> Today's Topics:
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> 3. Anyone using iPad as laptop replacement in the workplace?
> (Cody Davis)
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> (Josh Loevy)
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> (Aser Tolentino)
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> (Cody Davis)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2018 09:02:15 -0500
> From: "Stewart, Christopher K" <chris.stewart at uky.edu<mailto:chris.stewart at uky.edu>>
> To: Sai <sai at fiatfiendum.org<mailto:sai at fiatfiendum.org>>
> Cc: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] conducting investigations
> Message-ID:
> <CAAyF1PBWwb2wLC8Wdy9_=AtgDwc=GGxUSKZ_2-a0Y-QSnpd9Sg at mail.gmail.com<mailto:CAAyF1PBWwb2wLC8Wdy9_=AtgDwc=GGxUSKZ_2-a0Y-QSnpd9Sg at mail.gmail.com>>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> 
> That's really interesting info. And now that you mention it, it makes
> a lot of sense. In fact, everything I pointed out about tone of voice,
> body movement, Etc. are all things which require a baseline knowledge
> of the person. They're also instances where the person's reactions
> could, as you said, be the result of something completely different. I
> know investigators who swear they can spot someone lying, but I
> imagine that may well be confirmation bias. They tend to interview
> criminals. Criminals frequently lye. They've caught many criminals
> lying. Therefore their inclinations must have been correct.
> 
> Anyhow, thanks for the info.
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/1/18, Sai <sai at fiatfiendum.org<mailto:sai at fiatfiendum.org>> wrote:
>> FWIW: the research on this (which I know fairly well because it was
>> related to my master's thesis and also to my litigation about TSA's SPOT
>> program) is pretty solidly in favor of one conclusion:
>>
>> There does not exist any reliable way to detect lies, short of using an
>> fMRI scanner. The best results shown to date are barely even
>> statistically significant (let alone practically), and even those are
>> only in highly controlled and unnatural settings.
>>
>>
>> There are somewhat reliable ways to detect *emotions*, but they rely
>> substantially on knowing that specific person's baseline. So e.g. you
>> could detect that someone is nervous, angry, smug, etc.
>>
>>
>> However, knowing that emotion doesn't tell you whether they're lying or
>> not.
>>
>> Suppose e.g. that someone in a police interrogation room responds with
>> fear when accused of raping someone. Are they afraid of being caught?
>> Afraid of a false accusation? Reminded of a traumatic personal history?
>> Afraid of perceived aggression? Randomly thinking about something else?
>> Claustrophobic? Afraid they'll get a shiv while locked up? Afraid for
>> what might happen to their family? Afraid of being caught in an actual
>> lie? Afraid the cop will do a search and find the (totally unrelated)
>> crack rock in their sock? Etc. etc.
>>
>>
>> There are simply too many possible reasons someone can experience an
>> emotion. Without knowing that specific person very, very well, you can't
>> correctly make the jump (as various agencies would like to do) from
>> "expression of fear" to "sign of guilt".
>>
>> Same is true for every symptom you listed.
>>
>> Same is true for a polygraph, which is why it's inadmissible. It's pure
>> bullshit whose effects rely entirely on whether the subject believes it,
>> and whether you care about the risk of false confessions.
>>
>> "Gut feeling" has been repeatedly proven to be not just wrong, but often
>> worse than wrong ? it heavily plays into confirmation bias, bigotry,
>> etc. Results are no better for "experienced" people like cops & judges.
>>
>>
>> If you want to catch someone in a lie, you have to rely on logic,
>> contradictory evidence, etc. Not whether or not the person fidgets.
>>
>> (Maybe your chairs are uncomfortable, or they need to go pee?)
>>
>>
>> I've attached some recent meta-analysis papers on the subject in case
>> you want to read for yourself.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Sai
>> President, Fiat Fiendum, Inc.
>>
>> On 10/31/18 16:48, Stewart, Christopher K via BlindLaw wrote:
>>> This claim is ableist and absurd. First, many common tells of lying
>>> are readily detectable to a blind person: throat clearing; vocal
>>> tension; shallower breathing; fidgiting or feet shuffling; over
>>> verbosity; unnatural hesitations inconsistent with the rest of their
>>> answers. I could go on and on. The notion that because we can't see
>>> one or two visual cues we can't spot a falsehood is ridiculous.
>>>
>>> Moreover, in investigative work, experienced investigators will tell
>>> you they often follow their gut. Of course blind people have gut
>>> instincts as well. But at the end of the day, as lawyers, what our gut
>>> says doesn't matter, it's what the testimony and the facts reveal.
>>> That's the record we work with. I've seen seasoned lawyers go down
>>> rabbit holes in depositions that leave me scratching my head, knowing
>>> they just waisted their time and didn't get what they were after. It
>>> happens, and it has nothing to do with whether or not they can see.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>
>>
> 
> 
> --
> Chris K. Stewart
> Attorney at Law
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> Ph:
> (502)457-1757
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2018 15:21:41 +0100
> From: Sai <sai at fiatfiendum.org<mailto:sai at fiatfiendum.org>>
> To: "Stewart, Christopher K" <chris.stewart at uky.edu<mailto:chris.stewart at uky.edu>>
> Cc: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] conducting investigations
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> 
>> They tend to interview criminals.
> 
> *Alleged* criminals entitled to, but rarely receiving, presumption of
> Innocence.
> 
> One of the compounding problems is that the people targeted for
> investigation to begin with are a hugely skewed group. They then get pushed
> to plea, even if innocent, which in turn makes the prosecution think they
> were right, and feeds that cycle ? completely regardless of actual accuracy.
> 
> Which is why e.g. an experienced cop may well have a completely sincere and
> good faith "gut feeling" that the black guy did it and is lying, and not
> even be (consciously) racist, but still be wrong.
> 
> Allowing this kind of totally spurious yet sincerely believed
> pseudo-evidence into the process, anywhere, inevitably and systemically
> worsens biases.
> 
> Blinding (in the other sense) is actually one of the few things that
> provably improves your lie detection ability, because you don't get exposed
> to distractor information that would bias your logic.
> 
> So if you're blind and can't see their mannerisms etc., that "disability"
> is actually a *good* thing for your ability to get to the truth.
> 
> Ironic, and a bit of a pun? but it's true.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Sai
> 
> Sent from my phone; please excuse the concision and autocorrect typos.
> 
> On Nov 1, 2018 15:02, "Stewart, Christopher K" <chris.stewart at uky.edu<mailto:chris.stewart at uky.edu>>
> wrote:
> 
> That's really interesting info. And now that you mention it, it makes
> a lot of sense. In fact, everything I pointed out about tone of voice,
> body movement, Etc. are all things which require a baseline knowledge
> of the person. They're also instances where the person's reactions
> could, as you said, be the result of something completely different. I
> know investigators who swear they can spot someone lying, but I
> imagine that may well be confirmation bias. They tend to interview
> criminals. Criminals frequently lye. They've caught many criminals
> lying. Therefore their inclinations must have been correct.
> 
> Anyhow, thanks for the info.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/1/18, Sai <sai at fiatfiendum.org<mailto:sai at fiatfiendum.org>> wrote:
>> FWIW: the research on this (which I know fairly well because it was
>> related to my master's thesis and also to my litigation about TSA's SPOT
>> program) is pretty solidly in favor of one conclusion:
>>
>> There does not exist any reliable way to detect lies, short of using an
>> fMRI scanner. The best results shown to date are barely even
>> statistically significant (let alone practically), and even those are
>> only in highly controlled and unnatural settings.
>>
>>
>> There are somewhat reliable ways to detect *emotions*, but they rely
>> substantially on knowing that specific person's baseline. So e.g. you
>> could detect that someone is nervous, angry, smug, etc.
>>
>>
>> However, knowing that emotion doesn't tell you whether they're lying or
>> not.
>>
>> Suppose e.g. that someone in a police interrogation room responds with
>> fear when accused of raping someone. Are they afraid of being caught?
>> Afraid of a false accusation? Reminded of a traumatic personal history?
>> Afraid of perceived aggression? Randomly thinking about something else?
>> Claustrophobic? Afraid they'll get a shiv while locked up? Afraid for
>> what might happen to their family? Afraid of being caught in an actual
>> lie? Afraid the cop will do a search and find the (totally unrelated)
>> crack rock in their sock? Etc. etc.
>>
>>
>> There are simply too many possible reasons someone can experience an
>> emotion. Without knowing that specific person very, very well, you can't
>> correctly make the jump (as various agencies would like to do) from
>> "expression of fear" to "sign of guilt".
>>
>> Same is true for every symptom you listed.
>>
>> Same is true for a polygraph, which is why it's inadmissible. It's pure
>> bullshit whose effects rely entirely on whether the subject believes it,
>> and whether you care about the risk of false confessions.
>>
>> "Gut feeling" has been repeatedly proven to be not just wrong, but often
>> worse than wrong ? it heavily plays into confirmation bias, bigotry,
>> etc. Results are no better for "experienced" people like cops & judges.
>>
>>
>> If you want to catch someone in a lie, you have to rely on logic,
>> contradictory evidence, etc. Not whether or not the person fidgets.
>>
>> (Maybe your chairs are uncomfortable, or they need to go pee?)
>>
>>
>> I've attached some recent meta-analysis papers on the subject in case
>> you want to read for yourself.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Sai
>> President, Fiat Fiendum, Inc.
>>
>> On 10/31/18 16:48, Stewart, Christopher K via BlindLaw wrote:
>>> This claim is ableist and absurd. First, many common tells of lying
>>> are readily detectable to a blind person: throat clearing; vocal
>>> tension; shallower breathing; fidgiting or feet shuffling; over
>>> verbosity; unnatural hesitations inconsistent with the rest of their
>>> answers. I could go on and on. The notion that because we can't see
>>> one or two visual cues we can't spot a falsehood is ridiculous.
>>>
>>> Moreover, in investigative work, experienced investigators will tell
>>> you they often follow their gut. Of course blind people have gut
>>> instincts as well. But at the end of the day, as lawyers, what our gut
>>> says doesn't matter, it's what the testimony and the facts reveal.
>>> That's the record we work with. I've seen seasoned lawyers go down
>>> rabbit holes in depositions that leave me scratching my head, knowing
>>> they just waisted their time and didn't get what they were after. It
>>> happens, and it has nothing to do with whether or not they can see.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> BlindLaw mailing list
>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:BlindLaw at nfbnet.org>
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org<http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org>
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>>>
>>
> 
> 
> --
> Chris K. Stewart
> Attorney at Law
> KBA #97351
> Ph:
> (502)457-1757
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2018 11:38:38 -0400
> From: Cody Davis <cjdavis9193 at gmail.com<mailto:cjdavis9193 at gmail.com>>
> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>
> Subject: [blindlaw] Anyone using iPad as laptop replacement in the
> workplace?
> Message-ID: <70BCBA47-3083-4D83-A2D5-5746D02F3A89 at gmail.com<mailto:70BCBA47-3083-4D83-A2D5-5746D02F3A89 at gmail.com>>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> All,
> 
> Does anyone have any experience using an iPad Pro with Voiceover as a laptop replacement at work? I?m curious how viable of an option that would be. Did you have to use it along with a desktop, or were you able to use the iPad as your primary computer.?
> 
> In your experience, if the iPad Pro a redundancy if I am already using an iPhone?
> 
> Thanks for any input.
> 
> 
> Respectfully,
> Cody J. Davis, J.D., M.P.A.
> Email: cjdavis9193 at gmail.com<mailto:cjdavis9193 at gmail.com>
> Phone: (919) 349-9799
> Linkedin: www.linkedin.com/in/codyjdavisesq<http://www.linkedin.com/in/codyjdavisesq>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2018 10:43:09 -0500
> From: Josh Loevy <joshl at loevy.com<mailto:joshl at loevy.com>>
> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Anyone using iPad as laptop replacement in the
> workplace?
> Message-ID: <55426b618e03829154bb6e678df65951 at mail.gmail.com<mailto:55426b618e03829154bb6e678df65951 at mail.gmail.com>>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> If I may add an addendum to this question...
> If you are using IOS as a laptop sub, can you speak to the word processing
> experience specifically? I have heard good things about Scrivener as a
> legal writing tool, has anyone used that?
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> workplace?
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> 
> Good morning,
> 
> I like to think of the iPad Pro like the F/A-22 Raptor. It?s really sleek and sexy and does some things incredibly well, and some things less well. I occasionally get into a mood where I do as much on iOS as possible, but even though the smart keyboard and split screen do a lot to make iOS more multitasking friendly then it used to be, I would still say that it?s nothing like sitting in front of my laptop alt-tabbing between the web, two documents, email and a book. Scrivener is really cool, in fact I?m going to start a book on it for National Novel Writing Month today on an iPad, but I think to fully take advantage of it, you?d want to run it on a Mac: the PC version doesn?t work with JAWS.
> 
> Because of the split-screen functionality, I would say there are advantages to the iPad over the phone, particularly if you have some sight, but mileage may vary there. I like taking notes on the iPhone but ultimately always return to Word for a more responsive and fleshed out proofing experience. Apps like Drafts that sync to the cloud make this workflow really smooth. Anyway, those are just my two cents. Please let me know if you have any questions you think I can help out with.
> 
> Respectfully,
> Aser Tolentino, Esq.
> 
>> On Nov 1, 2018, at 08:38, Cody Davis via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>
>> All,
>>
>> Does anyone have any experience using an iPad Pro with Voiceover as a laptop replacement at work? I?m curious how viable of an option that would be. Did you have to use it along with a desktop, or were you able to use the iPad as your primary computer.?
>>
>> In your experience, if the iPad Pro a redundancy if I am already using an iPhone?
>>
>> Thanks for any input.
>>
>>
>> Respectfully,
>> Cody J. Davis, J.D., M.P.A.
>> Email: cjdavis9193 at gmail.com<mailto:cjdavis9193 at gmail.com>
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>> I like to think of the iPad Pro like the F/A-22 Raptor. It?s really sleek and sexy and does some things incredibly well, and some things less well. I occasionally get into a mood where I do as much on iOS as possible, but even though the smart keyboard and split screen do a lot to make iOS more multitasking friendly then it used to be, I would still say that it?s nothing like sitting in front of my laptop alt-tabbing between the web, two documents, email and a book. Scrivener is really cool, in fact I?m going to start a book on it for National Novel Writing Month today on an iPad, but I think to fully take advantage of it, you?d want to run it on a Mac: the PC version doesn?t work with JAWS.
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>> Because of the split-screen functionality, I would say there are advantages to the iPad over the phone, particularly if you have some sight, but mileage may vary there. I like taking notes on the iPhone but ultimately always return to Word for a more responsive and fleshed out proofing experience. Apps like Drafts that sync to the cloud make this workflow really smooth. Anyway, those are just my two cents. Please let me know if you have any questions you think I can help out with.
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>>> On Nov 1, 2018, at 08:38, Cody Davis via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
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>>> All,
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>>> Does anyone have any experience using an iPad Pro with Voiceover as a laptop replacement at work? I?m curious how viable of an option that would be. Did you have to use it along with a desktop, or were you able to use the iPad as your primary computer.?
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>>> In your experience, if the iPad Pro a redundancy if I am already using an iPhone?
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>>> Thanks for any input.
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From bluezinfandel at hotmail.com  Mon Nov  5 15:42:47 2018
From: bluezinfandel at hotmail.com (Ben Fulton)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2018 15:42:47 +0000
Subject: [blindlaw] Supposedly suspicious behaviors (WAS: conducting
 investigations)
Message-ID: <CY4PR22MB0552FEA5DBE7292BFADEDA1CA8CA0@CY4PR22MB0552.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>



OK, the obvious argument is that these indicators do not apply to blind and visually impaired people. Recognizing that someone is blind or visually impaired would negate much of this. I now use a dog, but used to use a cane, either of which made it pretty obvious that I am blind. Before then when I was visually impaired and didn't always use a cane, it did result in being asked more about apparently suspicious behaviours. Once I was actually kicked out of a club for stumbling on their poorly designed landing.

They may argue for more training with respect to disabilities, but may not be willing to overhaul the entire policy. You may have to deal with them seeking for ways to justify maintaining their status quo. 

One reason I bring this up is because I am looking into a provision in the Ontario Human Rights Code that allows landlords sharing a kitchen or bathroom to discriminate on any of the prohibited grounds of discrimination. Normally if a room is being rented landlords aren't allowed to discriminate against the tenant, but the landlords can if they share a kitchen or bathroom.

I'm anticipating the argument being that the private sphere is something the legislature doesn't want to interfere with. 
So, my argument is that by advertising publicly on Kijiji that the landlords have entered a commercial area where the constitution should apply, and therefore the provision in the human rights code is unconstitutional.

But I'm trying to anticipate the arguments that will be running against me in this challenge.

All the best,
Ben  



Subject: [blindlaw] Supposedly suspicious behaviors (WAS: conducting investigations)
Message-ID: <cf7a97f4-ff5d-2c0d-f8e0-097b8cb99e65 at fiatfiendum.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

On the subject of behaviors like gaze, sweat, shuffling, etc not
actually having any legitimate bearing on determining suspicion:

Here's an affidavit I filed in my case against all of TSA's policies.

At page 41, heading "SPOT behaviors", I exhaustively list behaviors that
are on the TSA SPOT ("behavior detection") profiling list, and explain
how they are in fact symptoms of my disability, exercise of
Constitutional rights, or just being a human.

PDF (as filed):
<https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzmetJxi-p0VOFZXLUdpRzJ6LXc/view?page=41>

Google Docs version (as drafted):
<https://drive.google.com/open?id=1XiqxmO3gRTZpXRrBGkEmcTYktJfigneeZdWSkV4npgY>


Google Docs version of TSA's SPOT checklist (transcribed by me):
<http://s.ai/tsa_spot>


Many of the supposedly suspicious behaviors are specifically related to
my blindness, namely:

1. "Observation and behavior analysis" - 4 or more points = selectee
screening, 6 or more points = automatic referral to police
* 1 point: Arrives ?late ?for ?flight, ?if ?known
* 1 point: Avoids eye contact with security personnel or LEO
* 2 points: Powerful ?grip ?of ?a ?bag ?and/or ?hand ?inside ?the ?bag
* 2 points: Rigid ?posture, ?minimal ?body ?movements ?with ?arms ?close
?to ?sides
* 3 points: Appears ?to ?be ?confused ?or ?disoriented
* 3 points: Appears ?to ?be ?in ?disguise

That's 12 points total, just for perceived symptoms related to my
blindness. Well over the 6 points for police referral.

2. "Signs of deception" - 2 or more = automatic referral to police
* Appearing ?not ?to ?understand ?questions
* Distracted ?or ?inability ?to ?pay ?attention ?to ?present ?situation
* Gazing down
* No ?or ?little ?direct ?eye ?contact
* Placing ?objects ?between ?self ?and ?official

(My affidavit has explanations of why each one applies to me.)

So basically, TSA's policy means that ordinary blind people are to be
referred to police for behaviors that are perfectly normal symptoms of
disability.


If you total everything I list in that affidavit as normal for me, I
have 56 points of "suspiciousness" (vs 6 for police referral) & 24
"signs of deception" (vs 2 for police referral).

It's completely absurd. One part of my lawsuit seeks to permanently
enjoin this program, and make TSA's documents about it public.


The case is Sai v Pekoske, No. 15-2356 (1st Cir.). Original proceeding
under 49 USC 46110, not an appeal.

I'm IFP and need counsel, so if any of you are interested or know
someone who may be, please get in touch.

Sincerely,
Sai
President, Fiat Fiendum, Inc.

On 11/5/18 01:37, Elizabeth Troutman via BlindLaw wrote:
> A huge thanks to everyone who responded to my post about investigations. It didn't feel right when I was told that blind people can't conduct investigations well, but it's hard to argue when you're genuinely uninformed. I am now armed with some good information to start addressing the assumptions and getting myself trained up. I feel so fortunate to have this group.
> Elizabeth



From ttomasi at driowa.org  Mon Nov  5 15:59:49 2018
From: ttomasi at driowa.org (Tai Tomasi)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2018 15:59:49 +0000
Subject: [blindlaw] Supposedly suspicious behaviors (WAS: conducting
 investigations)
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Ben:

This issue is not as black and white as you perceive it. Many TSA agents do not immediately realize I am blind. The same is true in other areas of public participation, despite the fact that I am almost always using a cane or guide dog. Those who do not use canes or dogs likely encounter erroneous assumptions about their vision as well. Therefore, what should be obvious to all is not always so. Policies like the one Sai references should be less presumptive by design. I have similar concerns regarding the increased use of ocular scanners.
 
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Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Supposedly suspicious behaviors (WAS: conducting investigations)



OK, the obvious argument is that these indicators do not apply to blind and visually impaired people. Recognizing that someone is blind or visually impaired would negate much of this. I now use a dog, but used to use a cane, either of which made it pretty obvious that I am blind. Before then when I was visually impaired and didn't always use a cane, it did result in being asked more about apparently suspicious behaviours. Once I was actually kicked out of a club for stumbling on their poorly designed landing.

They may argue for more training with respect to disabilities, but may not be willing to overhaul the entire policy. You may have to deal with them seeking for ways to justify maintaining their status quo. 

One reason I bring this up is because I am looking into a provision in the Ontario Human Rights Code that allows landlords sharing a kitchen or bathroom to discriminate on any of the prohibited grounds of discrimination. Normally if a room is being rented landlords aren't allowed to discriminate against the tenant, but the landlords can if they share a kitchen or bathroom.

I'm anticipating the argument being that the private sphere is something the legislature doesn't want to interfere with. 
So, my argument is that by advertising publicly on Kijiji that the landlords have entered a commercial area where the constitution should apply, and therefore the provision in the human rights code is unconstitutional.

But I'm trying to anticipate the arguments that will be running against me in this challenge.

All the best,
Ben  



Subject: [blindlaw] Supposedly suspicious behaviors (WAS: conducting investigations)
Message-ID: <cf7a97f4-ff5d-2c0d-f8e0-097b8cb99e65 at fiatfiendum.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

On the subject of behaviors like gaze, sweat, shuffling, etc not actually having any legitimate bearing on determining suspicion:

Here's an affidavit I filed in my case against all of TSA's policies.

At page 41, heading "SPOT behaviors", I exhaustively list behaviors that are on the TSA SPOT ("behavior detection") profiling list, and explain how they are in fact symptoms of my disability, exercise of Constitutional rights, or just being a human.

PDF (as filed):
<https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzmetJxi-p0VOFZXLUdpRzJ6LXc/view?page=41>

Google Docs version (as drafted):
<https://drive.google.com/open?id=1XiqxmO3gRTZpXRrBGkEmcTYktJfigneeZdWSkV4npgY>


Google Docs version of TSA's SPOT checklist (transcribed by me):
<http://s.ai/tsa_spot>


Many of the supposedly suspicious behaviors are specifically related to my blindness, namely:

1. "Observation and behavior analysis" - 4 or more points = selectee screening, 6 or more points = automatic referral to police
* 1 point: Arrives ?late ?for ?flight, ?if ?known
* 1 point: Avoids eye contact with security personnel or LEO
* 2 points: Powerful ?grip ?of ?a ?bag ?and/or ?hand ?inside ?the ?bag
* 2 points: Rigid ?posture, ?minimal ?body ?movements ?with ?arms ?close ?to ?sides
* 3 points: Appears ?to ?be ?confused ?or ?disoriented
* 3 points: Appears ?to ?be ?in ?disguise

That's 12 points total, just for perceived symptoms related to my blindness. Well over the 6 points for police referral.

2. "Signs of deception" - 2 or more = automatic referral to police
* Appearing ?not ?to ?understand ?questions
* Distracted ?or ?inability ?to ?pay ?attention ?to ?present ?situation
* Gazing down
* No ?or ?little ?direct ?eye ?contact
* Placing ?objects ?between ?self ?and ?official

(My affidavit has explanations of why each one applies to me.)

So basically, TSA's policy means that ordinary blind people are to be referred to police for behaviors that are perfectly normal symptoms of disability.


If you total everything I list in that affidavit as normal for me, I have 56 points of "suspiciousness" (vs 6 for police referral) & 24 "signs of deception" (vs 2 for police referral).

It's completely absurd. One part of my lawsuit seeks to permanently enjoin this program, and make TSA's documents about it public.


The case is Sai v Pekoske, No. 15-2356 (1st Cir.). Original proceeding under 49 USC 46110, not an appeal.

I'm IFP and need counsel, so if any of you are interested or know someone who may be, please get in touch.

Sincerely,
Sai
President, Fiat Fiendum, Inc.

On 11/5/18 01:37, Elizabeth Troutman via BlindLaw wrote:
> A huge thanks to everyone who responded to my post about investigations. It didn't feel right when I was told that blind people can't conduct investigations well, but it's hard to argue when you're genuinely uninformed. I am now armed with some good information to start addressing the assumptions and getting myself trained up. I feel so fortunate to have this group.
> Elizabeth


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From sai at fiatfiendum.org  Mon Nov  5 16:33:07 2018
From: sai at fiatfiendum.org (Sai)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2018 17:33:07 +0100
Subject: [blindlaw] Supposedly suspicious behaviors (WAS: conducting
 investigations)
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	<DM5PR2001MB0938CA4499CFD2E21B3B1214D1CA0@DM5PR2001MB0938.namprd20.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <7768d76f-941f-bec9-0b5e-6ca5c59bbacc@fiatfiendum.org>

Ben:

My post doesn't have much to do with your concerns about cohabitating
landlord discrimination, however. The law for that is about as different
as it could be while still being disability related.

In the US, it is common for cohabitating landlords — like roommates — to
be allowed to discriminate in ways that absentee landlords are not. The
reason is simply that it's their home, and they have some rights to
decide who they want to live with, even if those decisions are bigoted.

As a simple example, it's legal in the US to say "no blacks, no gays, no
blind people" in a roommate ad — even though all of those would be
blatantly illegal to say (or do) in a general renting ad with landlord
off-premises. If someone's a homophobe, living with a gay person would
genuinely impair their ability to enjoy and feel comfortable at home.
Even bigots have the right to feel secure in their own home.

There might be a gray area inbetween (you're only sharing a kitchen,
after all), and maybe Canadian law differs. I'd guess you'll lose this,
but I wish you good luck.


As for TSA, I don't really give a damn if they're unwilling to overhaul
their policies. I tried to negotiate repeatedly, and they refused. Now
I'm suing them for violating the law. If the court agrees with me, then
TSA will either obey or get sanctioned.



Tai:

The policy I reference has no exclusion whatsoever for disability. It's
a list of behaviors and possessions. Nowhere in it does it say that you
don't get the point for no eye contact because you're blind.

You, Tai, are a reasonable person. You recognize that treating that as
suspicious is utterly absurd. You want to read in some sort of "but
don't count it if it's obviously justified" nullifier that isn't there.

Sadly, TSA isn't reasonable. They actually do this. They've done it to
me more than once, including calling the cops on me more than once. Even
though my disabilities were obvious and declared.

IMO this is of course a disproportionate-impact policy. So it's illegal
as a matter of disability law.

However, the underlying policy is also simply not justifiable on its
face. The behaviors are simply not indicators that someone has a weapon,
explosive, or incendiary — and that's all the TSA is allowed to search for.

So I want it banned outright. It doesn't even pass rational basis
scrutiny, let alone elevated or Rehab Act level. Some of it is even
deliberately meant as a restraint on the content of speech (e.g.
complaining about TSA policy), which is strict scrutiny.


I'm not sure what you mean about ocular scanners. TSA doesn't have any,
as far as I know. Maybe you mean CBP?

Sincerely,
Sai
President, Fiat Fiendum, Inc.

On 11/5/18 16:59, Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw wrote:
> Ben:
> 
> This issue is not as black and white as you perceive it. Many TSA agents do not immediately realize I am blind. The same is true in other areas of public participation, despite the fact that I am almost always using a cane or guide dog. Those who do not use canes or dogs likely encounter erroneous assumptions about their vision as well. Therefore, what should be obvious to all is not always so. Policies like the one Sai references should be less presumptive by design. I have similar concerns regarding the increased use of ocular scanners.
>  
> Ms. Tai Tomasi, J.D.
> Pronouns: she/her/hers
> Staff Attorney
> 
> 
> 
> 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300
> Des Moines, Iowa 50309
> Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502
> FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711
> E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org
> www.driowa.org
> 
> Our Mission:  To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities
> 
> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE
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> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Ben Fulton via BlindLaw
> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2018 9:43 AM
> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Ben Fulton <bluezinfandel at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Supposedly suspicious behaviors (WAS: conducting investigations)
> 
> 
> 
> OK, the obvious argument is that these indicators do not apply to blind and visually impaired people. Recognizing that someone is blind or visually impaired would negate much of this. I now use a dog, but used to use a cane, either of which made it pretty obvious that I am blind. Before then when I was visually impaired and didn't always use a cane, it did result in being asked more about apparently suspicious behaviours. Once I was actually kicked out of a club for stumbling on their poorly designed landing.
> 
> They may argue for more training with respect to disabilities, but may not be willing to overhaul the entire policy. You may have to deal with them seeking for ways to justify maintaining their status quo. 
> 
> One reason I bring this up is because I am looking into a provision in the Ontario Human Rights Code that allows landlords sharing a kitchen or bathroom to discriminate on any of the prohibited grounds of discrimination. Normally if a room is being rented landlords aren't allowed to discriminate against the tenant, but the landlords can if they share a kitchen or bathroom.
> 
> I'm anticipating the argument being that the private sphere is something the legislature doesn't want to interfere with. 
> So, my argument is that by advertising publicly on Kijiji that the landlords have entered a commercial area where the constitution should apply, and therefore the provision in the human rights code is unconstitutional.
> 
> But I'm trying to anticipate the arguments that will be running against me in this challenge.
> 
> All the best,
> Ben  
> 
> 
> 
> Subject: [blindlaw] Supposedly suspicious behaviors (WAS: conducting investigations)
> Message-ID: <cf7a97f4-ff5d-2c0d-f8e0-097b8cb99e65 at fiatfiendum.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> On the subject of behaviors like gaze, sweat, shuffling, etc not actually having any legitimate bearing on determining suspicion:
> 
> Here's an affidavit I filed in my case against all of TSA's policies.
> 
> At page 41, heading "SPOT behaviors", I exhaustively list behaviors that are on the TSA SPOT ("behavior detection") profiling list, and explain how they are in fact symptoms of my disability, exercise of Constitutional rights, or just being a human.
> 
> PDF (as filed):
> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzmetJxi-p0VOFZXLUdpRzJ6LXc/view?page=41>
> 
> Google Docs version (as drafted):
> <https://drive.google.com/open?id=1XiqxmO3gRTZpXRrBGkEmcTYktJfigneeZdWSkV4npgY>
> 
> 
> Google Docs version of TSA's SPOT checklist (transcribed by me):
> <http://s.ai/tsa_spot>
> 
> 
> Many of the supposedly suspicious behaviors are specifically related to my blindness, namely:
> 
> 1. "Observation and behavior analysis" - 4 or more points = selectee screening, 6 or more points = automatic referral to police
> * 1 point: Arrives ?late ?for ?flight, ?if ?known
> * 1 point: Avoids eye contact with security personnel or LEO
> * 2 points: Powerful ?grip ?of ?a ?bag ?and/or ?hand ?inside ?the ?bag
> * 2 points: Rigid ?posture, ?minimal ?body ?movements ?with ?arms ?close ?to ?sides
> * 3 points: Appears ?to ?be ?confused ?or ?disoriented
> * 3 points: Appears ?to ?be ?in ?disguise
> 
> That's 12 points total, just for perceived symptoms related to my blindness. Well over the 6 points for police referral.
> 
> 2. "Signs of deception" - 2 or more = automatic referral to police
> * Appearing ?not ?to ?understand ?questions
> * Distracted ?or ?inability ?to ?pay ?attention ?to ?present ?situation
> * Gazing down
> * No ?or ?little ?direct ?eye ?contact
> * Placing ?objects ?between ?self ?and ?official
> 
> (My affidavit has explanations of why each one applies to me.)
> 
> So basically, TSA's policy means that ordinary blind people are to be referred to police for behaviors that are perfectly normal symptoms of disability.
> 
> 
> If you total everything I list in that affidavit as normal for me, I have 56 points of "suspiciousness" (vs 6 for police referral) & 24 "signs of deception" (vs 2 for police referral).
> 
> It's completely absurd. One part of my lawsuit seeks to permanently enjoin this program, and make TSA's documents about it public.
> 
> 
> The case is Sai v Pekoske, No. 15-2356 (1st Cir.). Original proceeding under 49 USC 46110, not an appeal.
> 
> I'm IFP and need counsel, so if any of you are interested or know someone who may be, please get in touch.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Sai
> President, Fiat Fiendum, Inc.
> 
> On 11/5/18 01:37, Elizabeth Troutman via BlindLaw wrote:
>> A huge thanks to everyone who responded to my post about investigations. It didn't feel right when I was told that blind people can't conduct investigations well, but it's hard to argue when you're genuinely uninformed. I am now armed with some good information to start addressing the assumptions and getting myself trained up. I feel so fortunate to have this group.
>> Elizabeth
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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Tue Nov  6 16:23:58 2018
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2018 16:23:58 +0000
Subject: [blindlaw] Info Announcement: The Digital Accessibility Summit
 2018-19
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https://www.accessibility.legal/

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Digital Accessibility and Legal Considerations for People with Cognitive Disabilities: 'Won't Get Fooled Again.'  Robert Dinerstein
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Mini-Course -Organizational Risk Assessments and Risk Mitigation Tools:  Pina D'Intino & Chris M. Law
Lunch & Learn -Group Discussions
(Switch sessions from Day 1)
Regulatory Update:  Gretchen Jacobs
Digital accessibility and legal issues -Now, and the Future:  Jonathan Lazar
Closing Keynote:  Mike Paciello

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Opening Keynote: Howard A. Rosenblum
Both Sides of The Story -Plaintiff and Defendant: Joshua Stein & Linda Dardarian
An Introduction to Organizational Standards for Inclusion: Dan Goldstein
Lunch & Learn -Group Discussions
Group A: Jack McElaney & Dan Goldstein
Group B: Tim Elder & Kristina Launey
Practice Update -Plaintiff Practice and Defendant Practice:  Kristina Launey & Tim Elder
Resources for Practitioners - The Legal Resource Landscape:  Jack McElaney
Evening -Social Mixer (with book signings)

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Mini-Course -Does Digital Accessibility Law have to be a Hammer? Structured Negotiation and other Collaborative Tools:  Lainey Feingold
Lunch & Learn -Group Discussions
(Switch sessions from Day 1)
Regulatory Update: Karen Peltz Strauss
Digital accessibility and legal issues -Now, and the Future:  Jared Smith
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Notes:


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From Susan.Kelly at pima.gov  Tue Nov  6 23:27:34 2018
From: Susan.Kelly at pima.gov (Susan Kelly)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2018 23:27:34 +0000
Subject: [blindlaw] Anyone using iPad as laptop replacement in the
 workplace?
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Message-ID: <66F19C03-E61E-407F-91C2-1FE3F1288513@pima.gov>

Yes.  I also use the VoiceDream reader app, as it is extremely precise and helps for the tiny bit of residual vision I have, so that I can pull quotes from materials to paste into documents that I am composing (motions and briefs).  The only problem is that our county continues to refuse to place any of its Apple products on the network, regardless of the agency or individual’s needs, so I also have to use the File Explorer app to load my case files.  Small issue.

And no - no redundancy.  I use both as well.

Susan C L Kelly
Assistant Public Defender
Pima County Public Defenders Office - Juvenile DIvision
Ofc: 520-724-2994
Fax: 520-770-4168

On Nov 1, 2018, at 8:40 AM, Cody Davis via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>> wrote:

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All,

Does anyone have any experience using an iPad Pro with Voiceover as a laptop replacement at work? I’m curious how viable of an option that would be. Did you have to use it along with a desktop, or were you able to use the iPad as your primary computer.?

In your experience, if the iPad Pro a redundancy if I am already using an iPhone?

Thanks for any input.


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From jtfetter at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  7 13:18:44 2018
From: jtfetter at yahoo.com (James T. Fetter)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2018 08:18:44 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Reading confidential documents with Aira?
Message-ID: <ea26ea25-777b-2e18-1f1a-8bf351ab9f19@yahoo.com>

This may fall under the category of "asked and answered," but does 
anyone have experience using Aira to read confidential documents?  I 
have already reached out to Aira, but I'm not sure if the front-line 
support people understand the issue. I would expect that I would only 
need a signed confidentiality agreement stating that they were bound by 
whatever privilege I was bound by. If someone who has used Aira to read 
confidential documents could explain what they had to do to get a 
confidentiality agreement from, and signed by, Aira, that would be 
great. This is somewhat urgent for reasons beyond my control, though I 
can find another solution in the short term. Thanks.



From ttomasi at driowa.org  Wed Nov  7 14:18:01 2018
From: ttomasi at driowa.org (Tai Tomasi)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2018 14:18:01 +0000
Subject: [blindlaw] Notes from Aira Call
Message-ID: <DM5PR2001MB0938ECDEFE60F6549CDCF0E2D1C40@DM5PR2001MB0938.namprd20.prod.outlook.com>

Hello, all. Below is a summary of the call we had in late September to discuss use of Aira in legal practice. Apologies for not sending out these notes sooner.

Overview of AIRA
Mechanism to provide any visual information that is otherwise unavailable. Users wear smart glasses or use a smart phone app, initiate a call to an agent, all of whom have been hired based on their aptitude to describe. Agents must pass a test and undergo several weeks of training to hone describing skills. Once a connection is made, agent can see whatever the glasses or camera can see. Also has access to other information including GPS information. Agent then provides the information that blind explorer requests. Agents never tell "how" to complete a task.
Ways for agent to access  information include through smart glasses camera, phone camera, or through TeamViewer or Zoom session so that an agent can access whatever is on the computer screen.

Safeguards for security and confidentiality: Agents undergo background checks, sign nondisclosure agreements, and sign confidentiality agreements. Aira uses encryption for information both transferred and stored. Data includes but is not limited to GPS data, IP address, duration of call, and video recordings. More info can be found in privacy policy. Retention for 18 months.
If explorer asks, agent will stop recording or inform the explorer that recording cannot be stopped. Aira representative said it would be extremely rare for an agent to say a recording could not be stopped.
Right now, by default, session is recorded for training purposes. Explorers can ask for sessions not to be recorded
Example: photographs stay on server for 24 hours if taken for personal purposes. Taking picture of luggage so that explorer can later show it to an airport employee at baggage claim. But, if taking a picture for purposes of enhancing reading, believes it's part of the regular session and is part of the 18 month retention
White paper on privacy and security: available on aira.io/security

Questions:
Q: Is there/can Aira implement a way for the explorer to verify and keep record of the fact that the agent has stopped recording a call?
A: Aira reps said they'd look into this.
Q: Does Aira ever release standard versions of its NDAs/confidentiality agreements for firms to review to see if such forms meet their confidentiality needs?
A: Aira will look into this.
Q: Who does the property obtained during a session belong to?
A: look it up on terms of service, last updated in July. This probably warrants further discussion.
Q: would Aira be willing to work with NABL to draft an agency agreement template that might make firms more willing to use Aira without fears of breaching privilege/confidentiality?
A: positive response to this idea.

Points for follow-up
Get a list of what data is stored and for how long
Is there precedent whereby Aira's services could be easily analogized to an interpreter/translator in a way that might ameliorate some concerns about third-party breaches of confidentiality and privilege?

Contact
Charles at aira.io
security at aira.io
Michael.hingson at aira.io



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From jtfetter at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  7 14:24:16 2018
From: jtfetter at yahoo.com (James T. Fetter)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2018 09:24:16 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Notes from Aira Call
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Tai,

Thanks so much for doing this call and sending out the notes! So it 
looks like we'll need to work with Aira to iron out some major wrinkles. 
I'm happy to take the lead on this, though right now, I'm barely 
treading water with discovery and docs full of handwriting!


On 11/7/2018 9:18 AM, Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw wrote:
> Hello, all. Below is a summary of the call we had in late September to discuss use of Aira in legal practice. Apologies for not sending out these notes sooner.
>
> Overview of AIRA
> Mechanism to provide any visual information that is otherwise unavailable. Users wear smart glasses or use a smart phone app, initiate a call to an agent, all of whom have been hired based on their aptitude to describe. Agents must pass a test and undergo several weeks of training to hone describing skills. Once a connection is made, agent can see whatever the glasses or camera can see. Also has access to other information including GPS information. Agent then provides the information that blind explorer requests. Agents never tell "how" to complete a task.
> Ways for agent to access  information include through smart glasses camera, phone camera, or through TeamViewer or Zoom session so that an agent can access whatever is on the computer screen.
>
> Safeguards for security and confidentiality: Agents undergo background checks, sign nondisclosure agreements, and sign confidentiality agreements. Aira uses encryption for information both transferred and stored. Data includes but is not limited to GPS data, IP address, duration of call, and video recordings. More info can be found in privacy policy. Retention for 18 months.
> If explorer asks, agent will stop recording or inform the explorer that recording cannot be stopped. Aira representative said it would be extremely rare for an agent to say a recording could not be stopped.
> Right now, by default, session is recorded for training purposes. Explorers can ask for sessions not to be recorded
> Example: photographs stay on server for 24 hours if taken for personal purposes. Taking picture of luggage so that explorer can later show it to an airport employee at baggage claim. But, if taking a picture for purposes of enhancing reading, believes it's part of the regular session and is part of the 18 month retention
> White paper on privacy and security: available on aira.io/security
>
> Questions:
> Q: Is there/can Aira implement a way for the explorer to verify and keep record of the fact that the agent has stopped recording a call?
> A: Aira reps said they'd look into this.
> Q: Does Aira ever release standard versions of its NDAs/confidentiality agreements for firms to review to see if such forms meet their confidentiality needs?
> A: Aira will look into this.
> Q: Who does the property obtained during a session belong to?
> A: look it up on terms of service, last updated in July. This probably warrants further discussion.
> Q: would Aira be willing to work with NABL to draft an agency agreement template that might make firms more willing to use Aira without fears of breaching privilege/confidentiality?
> A: positive response to this idea.
>
> Points for follow-up
> Get a list of what data is stored and for how long
> Is there precedent whereby Aira's services could be easily analogized to an interpreter/translator in a way that might ameliorate some concerns about third-party breaches of confidentiality and privilege?
>
> Contact
> Charles at aira.io
> security at aira.io
> Michael.hingson at aira.io
>
>
>
> Ms. Tai Tomasi, J.D.
> Pronouns: she/her/hers
> Staff Attorney
>
> [Description: DR%20IA%20LawCenter]
>
> 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300
> Des Moines, Iowa 50309
> Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502
> FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711
> E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org<mailto:ttomasi at driowa.org>
> www.driowa.org
>
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From ttomasi at driowa.org  Wed Nov  7 15:09:56 2018
From: ttomasi at driowa.org (Tai Tomasi)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2018 15:09:56 +0000
Subject: [blindlaw] Reading confidential documents with Aira?
In-Reply-To: <ea26ea25-777b-2e18-1f1a-8bf351ab9f19@yahoo.com>
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James and all:

Aira has nondisclosure and confidentiality terms in their terms of service. The retainer I have clients sign stresses that their documents may be reviewed by non-attorney agents of my firm. I use Aira to read documents in confidential client matters. Before reading the documents, I ask the agent to stop recording my call. They have always agreed to do so. I continue to urge Aira to allow the user to discontinue recording so that we have confirmation that the call is no longer being recorded. I would prefer a way to verify this for myself. I then ask them to issue me a Zoom meeting ID which I type into Zoom. The agent and I are then entered into a Zoom meeting. Zoom allows you to share a window or your entire screen with the Aira agent. I limit the agent's access to only the window I specify and grant them control to use the mouse to scroll through the document as they read. 

Because video recording has been stopped and I have not sent documents to an Aira agent via email, the documents remain property of my firm. Therefore, Aira does not retain these materials. While the agent reads, I can also open a notepad document in which the agent or I can write notes about the document we are reviewing. My employer was satisfied with these safeguards, and I feel I am complying with my state's rules of professional conduct. I continue to urge firms to execute agency agreements with Aira, similar to those one would execute with a firm that provides language interpretation. I would like to see the National Association of Blind Lawyers and Aira collaborate to develop a model for such an agreement. 
 

From aliherky at gmail.com  Wed Nov  7 17:53:09 2018
From: aliherky at gmail.com (Ali)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2018 11:53:09 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] Reading confidential documents with Aira?
Message-ID: <5be326cf.1c69fb81.eb123.5918@mx.google.com>

Do you use a screen reader?

 ----- Original Message -----
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Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Reading confidential documents with Aira?

James and all:

Aira has nondisclosure and confidentiality terms in their terms 
of service. The retainer I have clients sign stresses that their 
documents may be reviewed by non-attorney agents of my firm. I 
use Aira to read documents in confidential client matters. Before 
reading the documents, I ask the agent to stop recording my call. 
They have always agreed to do so. I continue to urge Aira to 
allow the user to discontinue recording so that we have 
confirmation that the call is no longer being recorded. I would 
prefer a way to verify this for myself. I then ask them to issue 
me a Zoom meeting ID which I type into Zoom. The agent and I are 
then entered into a Zoom meeting. Zoom allows you to share a 
window or your entire screen with the Aira agent. I limit the 
agent's access to only the window I specify and grant them 
control to use the mouse to scroll through the document as they 
read.

Because video recording has been stopped and I have not sent 
documents to an Aira agent via email, the documents remain 
property of my firm. Therefore, Aira does not retain these 
materials. While the agent reads, I can also open a notepad 
document in which the agent or I can write notes about the 
document we are reviewing. My employer was satisfied with these 
safeguards, and I feel I am complying with my state's rules of 
professional conduct. I continue to urge firms to execute agency 
agreements with Aira, similar to those one would execute with a 
firm that provides language interpretation. I would like to see 
the National Association of Blind Lawyers and Aira collaborate to 
develop a model for such an agreement.

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From jtfetter at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  7 18:00:35 2018
From: jtfetter at yahoo.com (James T. Fetter)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2018 13:00:35 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Reading confidential documents with Aira?
In-Reply-To: <5be326cf.1c69fb81.eb123.5918@mx.google.com>
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Of course, but the documents I sometimes have to read have handwriting 
all over them. Notwithstanding all the wonderful things Silicon Valley 
has done for us, it has yet to come up with a product that does a 
halfway decent job recognizing bad handwriting!

On 11/7/2018 12:53 PM, Ali via BlindLaw wrote:
> Do you use a screen reader?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' <blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Wed, 7 Nov 2018 15:09:56 +0000
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Reading confidential documents with Aira?
>
> James and all:
>
> Aira has nondisclosure and confidentiality terms in their terms of 
> service. The retainer I have clients sign stresses that their 
> documents may be reviewed by non-attorney agents of my firm. I use 
> Aira to read documents in confidential client matters. Before reading 
> the documents, I ask the agent to stop recording my call. They have 
> always agreed to do so. I continue to urge Aira to allow the user to 
> discontinue recording so that we have confirmation that the call is no 
> longer being recorded. I would prefer a way to verify this for myself. 
> I then ask them to issue me a Zoom meeting ID which I type into Zoom. 
> The agent and I are then entered into a Zoom meeting. Zoom allows you 
> to share a window or your entire screen with the Aira agent. I limit 
> the agent's access to only the window I specify and grant them control 
> to use the mouse to scroll through the document as they read.
>
> Because video recording has been stopped and I have not sent documents 
> to an Aira agent via email, the documents remain property of my firm. 
> Therefore, Aira does not retain these materials. While the agent 
> reads, I can also open a notepad document in which the agent or I can 
> write notes about the document we are reviewing. My employer was 
> satisfied with these safeguards, and I feel I am complying with my 
> state's rules of professional conduct. I continue to urge firms to 
> execute agency agreements with Aira, similar to those one would 
> execute with a firm that provides language interpretation. I would 
> like to see the National Association of Blind Lawyers and Aira 
> collaborate to develop a model for such an agreement.
>
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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Wed Nov  7 19:27:18 2018
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2018 19:27:18 +0000
Subject: [blindlaw] Northwest Justice Project Job openings
Message-ID: <BYAPR09MB32566D61AB9E72A0054AD10EF9C40@BYAPR09MB3256.namprd09.prod.outlook.com>



From: Sue Encherman [mailto:Suee at nwjustice.org]
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2018 11:19 AM
To: Diversity Stakeholders
Subject: [diversity-stakeholders] NJP Job openings

Hi Everyone: NJP has 4 new job openings:  Attorney positions in Seattle, Yakima and Aberdeen and a new Case Management Data Specialist in Seattle. . Please see attached and circulate to those who might be interested.

Thanks

Sue

Susan Encherman
Northwest Justice Project
Director of Administration
401 2nd Ave. S. , Suite 407
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206-707-0800 (Direct)
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From keribcu at gmail.com  Thu Nov  8 03:49:49 2018
From: keribcu at gmail.com (Keri Svendsen)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2018 22:49:49 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] voting survey
Message-ID: <9efc5075-6ddb-fad5-b47f-d826c81df517@gmail.com>

Can someone give me the link once more?


thanks,

-- 
Keri Svendsen



From tmatzick06 at gmail.com  Thu Nov  8 04:15:02 2018
From: tmatzick06 at gmail.com (Tara Chavez)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2018 21:15:02 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] voting survey
In-Reply-To: <9efc5075-6ddb-fad5-b47f-d826c81df517@gmail.com>
References: <9efc5075-6ddb-fad5-b47f-d826c81df517@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ED04543E-93ED-4E79-B714-65FE4561B11B@gmail.com>

It’s nfb.org/votersurvey


Tara Chavez
Premier designs distributor
tarachavez.mypremierdesigns.com
President, Albuquerque Chapter, National Federation of the Blind of New Mexico


> On Nov 7, 2018, at 8:49 PM, Keri Svendsen via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Can someone give me the link once more?
> 
> 
> thanks,
> 
> -- 
> Keri Svendsen
> 
> 
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From b.schulz at sbcglobal.net  Fri Nov  9 00:55:36 2018
From: b.schulz at sbcglobal.net (Bryan Schulz)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2018 18:55:36 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] eeoc claim
Message-ID: <017501d477c6$edac50b0$c904f210$@sbcglobal.net>

Hi,

 

If you file an eeoc claim, does anyone know if you end up on some database
that employers can search?

Bryan Schulz

 



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From mildredrivera at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  9 02:47:56 2018
From: mildredrivera at yahoo.com (Millie Rivera-Rau)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2018 02:47:56 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [blindlaw] eeoc claim
In-Reply-To: <017501d477c6$edac50b0$c904f210$@sbcglobal.net>
References: <017501d477c6$edac50b0$c904f210$@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <21544562.794386.1541731676910@mail.yahoo.com>

No your charge should be kept confidential until you decide to take it to court or EEOC does depending on the merit. There’s no database then employers can search.


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Thursday, November 8, 2018, 7:55 PM, Bryan Schulz via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:

Hi,

 

If you file an eeoc claim, does anyone know if you end up on some database
that employers can search?

Bryan Schulz

 



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From kelbycarlson at gmail.com  Fri Nov  9 16:10:56 2018
From: kelbycarlson at gmail.com (Kelby Carlson)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2018 11:10:56 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Serious Lexis Issues
Message-ID: <CAPMpJYsNgYHye7Heu2vWC9HTKK5AJQ48WHpVWc7NR8ApYjq9zg@mail.gmail.com>

Has anyone noticed any issues with LexisNexis developing over the last
month or so? I am using NVDA 2018.3 and the site is barely functional. For
example, I can no longer brows through titles of statutes; the contents
quite simply do not show up on the page. I have not found a way to contact
them to address this problem.

-- 
Kelby Carlson

From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 10 13:28:04 2018
From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2018 13:28:04 +0000
Subject: [blindlaw] Reading PDFs with JAWS has become infeasible
Message-ID: <80B8B30E-7A43-4155-9EC8-000562306F3E@gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

I have JAWSb 2018 and acrobat dc. Jaws keeps automatically jumping up and down in PDFs when you select 'read entire document'. Control+up and down arrows also doesn't work for para-wise navigation; jaws says blank. Finally, even ctrl+shift+n works sporadically. 

I have spoken with VFO. They say that the first 2 problems, at least, have been widely reported in recent weeks. I am using OCR and word versions as ad hoc measures. Do others have any ideas, or can they report this to FS or Adobe if they are facing it?

Best,
Rahul  

Sent from my iPhone

From bluezinfandel at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 12 02:00:38 2018
From: bluezinfandel at hotmail.com (Ben Fulton)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2018 02:00:38 +0000
Subject: [blindlaw] Reading PDFs with JAWS has become infeasible
Message-ID: <CY4PR22MB0552C5F5CD04ABC543D542FCA8C10@CY4PR22MB0552.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Rahul,

I've always found Jaws annoying when it comes to pdf's. My solution is to use Kurzwell and turn the document into a word document. There are problems with this, There will be some letters off, and it won't work on handwriting very well, but it's the best solution I have.

   1. Reading PDFs with JAWS has become infeasible (Rahul Bajaj)


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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2018 13:28:04 +0000
From: Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com>
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindlaw] Reading PDFs with JAWS has become infeasible
Message-ID: <80B8B30E-7A43-4155-9EC8-000562306F3E at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=us-ascii

Hi everyone,

I have JAWSb 2018 and acrobat dc. Jaws keeps automatically jumping up and down in PDFs when you select 'read entire document'. Control+up and down arrows also doesn't work for para-wise navigation; jaws says blank. Finally, even ctrl+shift+n works sporadically. 

I have spoken with VFO. They say that the first 2 problems, at least, have been widely reported in recent weeks. I am using OCR and word versions as ad hoc measures. Do others have any ideas, or can they report this to FS or Adobe if they are facing it?

Best,
Rahul  

Sent from my iPhone


------------------------------



From rthomas48 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 13 19:41:02 2018
From: rthomas48 at gmail.com (Roderick Thomas)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2018 14:41:02 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] taking the bar exam
Message-ID: <b0add7a7-d114-815c-086c-42731340102a@gmail.com>

Hey guys, I am a blind law school student in Orlando, Florida. I will be 
graduating in May of 2019. I am considering taking one part of the bar 
in July 2019, and the second half in February 2020. My plan is to break 
the bar exam down to two major sections, and study hard to pass one half 
of the test at a time. I would study and pass the Florida portion in 
July 2019, and study and pass the Multi state Bar Examination section in 
February 2020. I believe, that this would give me a better chance to 
pass the bar, since I will not be required to know so much information 
at one time. Once I  pass the Florida section, then I would only be 
responsible for passing the Multi State Bar Examination section. I 
think, this is a good way for me to approach the test because as a blind 
law school student it takes me so much longer to do certain things, 
compared to a non-blind law school student. What do you think? Has 
anyone ever taken this approach before? Other than the fact that I would 
need to pay for the bar twice, do you think this is a good idea?



From jtfetter at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 14 13:46:04 2018
From: jtfetter at yahoo.com (James T. Fetter)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2018 08:46:04 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] taking the bar exam
In-Reply-To: <b0add7a7-d114-815c-086c-42731340102a@gmail.com>
References: <b0add7a7-d114-815c-086c-42731340102a@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4c33bccb-4721-20e8-4d4f-84cc8e5bbcbe@yahoo.com>

I'm not sure if any state would permit you to do this. Even if this is 
an option, though, I would highly recommend taking the bar all at once 
and getting it over with. There is a significant amount of overlap 
between the MBE and state materials. And having done bar prep once, I 
wouldn't recommend doing it twice, especially if you're working. Also, I 
can't imagine that any legal employer would be impressed with 
intentionally delaying your bar passage or splitting the exam somehow. I 
don't know of any attorneys who have done this, and most employers would 
wonder what else you couldn't handle, if you couldn't handle bar prep. 
This wouldn't matter, once you pass but would make you a less attractive 
candidate for any positions starting after law school but before bar 
results.

The bar is difficult, but it is doable, if you put the work in on the 
front end, take a few--or more than a few--deep breaths, and recognize 
that the result, even if not positive, is not the end of the world.



On 11/13/2018 2:41 PM, Roderick Thomas via BlindLaw wrote:
> Hey guys, I am a blind law school student in Orlando, Florida. I will 
> be graduating in May of 2019. I am considering taking one part of the 
> bar in July 2019, and the second half in February 2020. My plan is to 
> break the bar exam down to two major sections, and study hard to pass 
> one half of the test at a time. I would study and pass the Florida 
> portion in July 2019, and study and pass the Multi state Bar 
> Examination section in February 2020. I believe, that this would give 
> me a better chance to pass the bar, since I will not be required to 
> know so much information at one time. Once I  pass the Florida 
> section, then I would only be responsible for passing the Multi State 
> Bar Examination section. I think, this is a good way for me to 
> approach the test because as a blind law school student it takes me so 
> much longer to do certain things, compared to a non-blind law school 
> student. What do you think? Has anyone ever taken this approach 
> before? Other than the fact that I would need to pay for the bar 
> twice, do you think this is a good idea?
>
>
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From shelleyrichards9 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 14 14:10:10 2018
From: shelleyrichards9 at gmail.com (Shelley Richards)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2018 09:10:10 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] taking the bar exam
In-Reply-To: <4c33bccb-4721-20e8-4d4f-84cc8e5bbcbe@yahoo.com>
References: <b0add7a7-d114-815c-086c-42731340102a@gmail.com>
	<4c33bccb-4721-20e8-4d4f-84cc8e5bbcbe@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7A91B7F4-C2F7-4583-A625-7AEB8BF52B25@gmail.com>



I seriously doubt that this would even be permitted, in any state. Asking to split the exam into two could very easily be called an accommodation witch fundamentally alters  the nature of the exam. It’s not meant to be to separate tests. As a blind person who both completed law school, and completed the bar exam, it is very possible for blind people to prepare for and take the bar exam as one test like everybody else has to. You can, and should be, given extended time to complete the exam, but I think the idea of splitting it into two separate parts which you plan on taking six months apart is not a good idea, and it would not be permitted. More importantly you do have to realize that as a blind attorney after law school and the bar exam you will have to meet deadlines. Telling your employer that your blind in things take you longer is not an excuse for missing deadlines, we’re not having materials prepared for a court date. Certain things may have taken me longer in law school, but I always turned everything in on time, the same time it was do for the rest of the class. You have to be able to do that in a workplace setting. It is not as hard as you are thinking to study for both sections of the bar exam at the same time. There is a lot of overlap between the two. I think it would be more difficult to study twice for two different sections rather than to study all at once for the entire exam. In the end however, no matter what your thoughts are, I’m pretty positive that it would not be allowed. No, I do not know of anybody who has done this, nor do I know if anybody who’s tried to request it either. Good luck with the bar exam. I hope you do well.
Shelley Palmadessa ESQ
  Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 14, 2018, at 08:46, James T. Fetter via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I'm not sure if any state would permit you to do this. Even if this is an option, though, I would highly recommend taking the bar all at once and getting it over with. There is a significant amount of overlap between the MBE and state materials. And having done bar prep once, I wouldn't recommend doing it twice, especially if you're working. Also, I can't imagine that any legal employer would be impressed with intentionally delaying your bar passage or splitting the exam somehow. I don't know of any attorneys who have done this, and most employers would wonder what else you couldn't handle, if you couldn't handle bar prep. This wouldn't matter, once you pass but would make you a less attractive candidate for any positions starting after law school but before bar results.
> 
> The bar is difficult, but it is doable, if you put the work in on the front end, take a few--or more than a few--deep breaths, and recognize that the result, even if not positive, is not the end of the world.
> 
> 
> 
>> On 11/13/2018 2:41 PM, Roderick Thomas via BlindLaw wrote:
>> Hey guys, I am a blind law school student in Orlando, Florida. I will be graduating in May of 2019. I am considering taking one part of the bar in July 2019, and the second half in February 2020. My plan is to break the bar exam down to two major sections, and study hard to pass one half of the test at a time. I would study and pass the Florida portion in July 2019, and study and pass the Multi state Bar Examination section in February 2020. I believe, that this would give me a better chance to pass the bar, since I will not be required to know so much information at one time. Once I  pass the Florida section, then I would only be responsible for passing the Multi State Bar Examination section. I think, this is a good way for me to approach the test because as a blind law school student it takes me so much longer to do certain things, compared to a non-blind law school student. What do you think? Has anyone ever taken this approach before? Other than the fact that I would need to pay for the bar twice, do you think this is a good idea?
>> 
>> 
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From kelbycarlson at gmail.com  Wed Nov 14 19:19:23 2018
From: kelbycarlson at gmail.com (kelby carlson)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2018 14:19:23 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] taking the bar exam
In-Reply-To: <7A91B7F4-C2F7-4583-A625-7AEB8BF52B25@gmail.com>
References: <b0add7a7-d114-815c-086c-42731340102a@gmail.com>
	<4c33bccb-4721-20e8-4d4f-84cc8e5bbcbe@yahoo.com>
	<7A91B7F4-C2F7-4583-A625-7AEB8BF52B25@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2A46ECEF-72E5-46B4-A622-11E82005F1ED@gmail.com>

There is pretty much no way this would be allowed, and you shouldn't do it anyway for the reasons others have already said. I just passed the bar, and preping for it is very doable. I used Themis which was almost totally accessible. You should also see if your school has a supplemental bar prep course during the summer, or in the spring semester. Many (most?) law schools have them and they are very useful.

Feel free to contact me off list if you have specific questions about the bar. Do you know which state you want to take it in? If not, I would strongly advise making a decision soon and getting your medical documentation together. The application for accommodations is extensive, and it is extremely stressful to try and get the materials at the last minute.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 14, 2018, at 9:10 AM, Shelley Richards via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> I seriously doubt that this would even be permitted, in any state. Asking to split the exam into two could very easily be called an accommodation witch fundamentally alters  the nature of the exam. It’s not meant to be to separate tests. As a blind person who both completed law school, and completed the bar exam, it is very possible for blind people to prepare for and take the bar exam as one test like everybody else has to. You can, and should be, given extended time to complete the exam, but I think the idea of splitting it into two separate parts which you plan on taking six months apart is not a good idea, and it would not be permitted. More importantly you do have to realize that as a blind attorney after law school and the bar exam you will have to meet deadlines. Telling your employer that your blind in things take you longer is not an excuse for missing deadlines, we’re not having materials prepared for a court date. Certain things may have taken me longer in law school, but I always turned everything in on time, the same time it was do for the rest of the class. You have to be able to do that in a workplace setting. It is not as hard as you are thinking to study for both sections of the bar exam at the same time. There is a lot of overlap between the two. I think it would be more difficult to study twice for two different sections rather than to study all at once for the entire exam. In the end however, no matter what your thoughts are, I’m pretty positive that it would not be allowed. No, I do not know of anybody who has done this, nor do I know if anybody who’s tried to request it either. Good luck with the bar exam. I hope you do well.
> Shelley Palmadessa ESQ
>  Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 14, 2018, at 08:46, James T. Fetter via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm not sure if any state would permit you to do this. Even if this is an option, though, I would highly recommend taking the bar all at once and getting it over with. There is a significant amount of overlap between the MBE and state materials. And having done bar prep once, I wouldn't recommend doing it twice, especially if you're working. Also, I can't imagine that any legal employer would be impressed with intentionally delaying your bar passage or splitting the exam somehow. I don't know of any attorneys who have done this, and most employers would wonder what else you couldn't handle, if you couldn't handle bar prep. This wouldn't matter, once you pass but would make you a less attractive candidate for any positions starting after law school but before bar results.
>> 
>> The bar is difficult, but it is doable, if you put the work in on the front end, take a few--or more than a few--deep breaths, and recognize that the result, even if not positive, is not the end of the world.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 11/13/2018 2:41 PM, Roderick Thomas via BlindLaw wrote:
>>> Hey guys, I am a blind law school student in Orlando, Florida. I will be graduating in May of 2019. I am considering taking one part of the bar in July 2019, and the second half in February 2020. My plan is to break the bar exam down to two major sections, and study hard to pass one half of the test at a time. I would study and pass the Florida portion in July 2019, and study and pass the Multi state Bar Examination section in February 2020. I believe, that this would give me a better chance to pass the bar, since I will not be required to know so much information at one time. Once I  pass the Florida section, then I would only be responsible for passing the Multi State Bar Examination section. I think, this is a good way for me to approach the test because as a blind law school student it takes me so much longer to do certain things, compared to a non-blind law school student. What do you think? Has anyone ever taken this approach before? Other than the fact that I would need to pay for the bar twice, do you think this is a good idea?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
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From shanew at outlook.com  Thu Nov 15 01:50:18 2018
From: shanew at outlook.com (Shane Wegner)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 01:50:18 +0000
Subject: [blindlaw] [student question] Citing with Lexis and Westlaw
Message-ID: <DM6PR01MB4714C9B85E3472543331CAFCDADC0@DM6PR01MB4714.prod.exchangelabs.com>

Hello list,

I am a 1L student and just getting the hang of Lexis and Westlaw using JAWS. I'm wondering if anyone has figured out how to pin cite with Lexis?

If you are a mouse user, you can highlight text with the mouse and a context menu comes up where you can copy the text with a pin cite. https://help.lexisnexis.com/tabula-rasa/newlexis/copytexttoclipboard_hdi-task?lbu=US&locale=en_US&audience=res

Is there a way to do this using a screen reader?

Cheers,
Shane


From kelbycarlson at gmail.com  Thu Nov 15 02:14:36 2018
From: kelbycarlson at gmail.com (kelby carlson)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2018 21:14:36 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] [student question] Citing with Lexis and Westlaw
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Sadly, I have never managed to do this successfully on either site, and I have spoken to accessibility personnel with both. It is easier to copy the citation from Lexis since there is a button to do so, but you will not get a pin citation. You will need to search for the nearest asterisk to whatever you are citing which will give you the page number. Make sure you know which reporter you are citing to, though, as many cases are reported in multiple places and so have more than one set of page numbers.

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> On Nov 14, 2018, at 8:50 PM, Shane Wegner via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello list,
> 
> I am a 1L student and just getting the hang of Lexis and Westlaw using JAWS. I'm wondering if anyone has figured out how to pin cite with Lexis?
> 
> If you are a mouse user, you can highlight text with the mouse and a context menu comes up where you can copy the text with a pin cite. https://help.lexisnexis.com/tabula-rasa/newlexis/copytexttoclipboard_hdi-task?lbu=US&locale=en_US&audience=res
> 
> Is there a way to do this using a screen reader?
> 
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From ttomasi at driowa.org  Thu Nov 15 02:40:48 2018
From: ttomasi at driowa.org (Tai Tomasi)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 02:40:48 +0000
Subject: [blindlaw] [student question] Citing with Lexis and Westlaw
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To my knowledge, there is no accessible way to do this in either Lexis or westlaw. I would love to be proven wrong.

Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.
Email: ttomasi at driowa.org<mailto:ttomasi at driowa.org>
Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical errors.

On Nov 14, 2018, at 8:15 PM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>> wrote:

Sadly, I have never managed to do this successfully on either site, and I have spoken to accessibility personnel with both. It is easier to copy the citation from Lexis since there is a button to do so, but you will not get a pin citation. You will need to search for the nearest asterisk to whatever you are citing which will give you the page number. Make sure you know which reporter you are citing to, though, as many cases are reported in multiple places and so have more than one set of page numbers.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 14, 2018, at 8:50 PM, Shane Wegner via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>> wrote:

Hello list,

I am a 1L student and just getting the hang of Lexis and Westlaw using JAWS. I'm wondering if anyone has figured out how to pin cite with Lexis?

If you are a mouse user, you can highlight text with the mouse and a context menu comes up where you can copy the text with a pin cite. https://help.lexisnexis.com/tabula-rasa/newlexis/copytexttoclipboard_hdi-task?lbu=US&locale=en_US&audience=res

Is there a way to do this using a screen reader?

Cheers,
Shane

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From kelbycarlson at gmail.com  Thu Nov 15 20:33:46 2018
From: kelbycarlson at gmail.com (kelby carlson)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 15:33:46 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] HR and the Interactive Process
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I am working for a county district attorney. We are working on getting me necessary accommodations. However, human resources is insisting that they, rather than the DA, get to decide what accommodations are reasonable. Essentially we have put in a request and HR has not contacted me in several weeks, and refuses to move forward with the process. Does anybody know ADA protocols with respect to who engages in the interactive process for getting accommodations? HR is not equipped to determine the essential functions of this job or which accommodations will work.

Sent from my iPhone

From jtfetter at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 15 21:04:48 2018
From: jtfetter at yahoo.com (James T. Fetter)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 16:04:48 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] HR and the Interactive Process
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I could be totally off-base here, but I don't think that any division of 
a given company has any sort of exclusive legal duty to carry out the 
interactive process. HR needs to get over itself. It sounds like you may 
need to go up the chain of command--or ask your boss to do so, if s/he 
is supportive.


On 11/15/2018 3:33 PM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw wrote:
> I am working for a county district attorney. We are working on getting me necessary accommodations. However, human resources is insisting that they, rather than the DA, get to decide what accommodations are reasonable. Essentially we have put in a request and HR has not contacted me in several weeks, and refuses to move forward with the process. Does anybody know ADA protocols with respect to who engages in the interactive process for getting accommodations? HR is not equipped to determine the essential functions of this job or which accommodations will work.
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From ttomasi at driowa.org  Thu Nov 15 21:11:36 2018
From: ttomasi at driowa.org (Tai Tomasi)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 21:11:36 +0000
Subject: [blindlaw] HR and the Interactive Process
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Request a meeting with HR and your supervisor to discuss accommodations. Put the request in writing. The interactive process should involve someone with more direct knowledge of your job duties and what you may need to perform essential functions. 

Ms. Tai Tomasi, J.D.
Pronouns: she/her/hers
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Subject: [blindlaw] HR and the Interactive Process

I am working for a county district attorney. We are working on getting me necessary accommodations. However, human resources is insisting that they, rather than the DA, get to decide what accommodations are reasonable. Essentially we have put in a request and HR has not contacted me in several weeks, and refuses to move forward with the process. Does anybody know ADA protocols with respect to who engages in the interactive process for getting accommodations? HR is not equipped to determine the essential functions of this job or which accommodations will work.

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From kelbycarlson at gmail.com  Thu Nov 15 21:19:32 2018
From: kelbycarlson at gmail.com (kelby carlson)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 16:19:32 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] HR and the Interactive Process
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Ty,

This already took place. HR knows exactly what accommodationss I need, they just won't respond to requests for further interaction/information. The DA is very upset about this, because they are fully willing to provide the accommodations which HR is obstructing.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 15, 2018, at 4:11 PM, Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Request a meeting with HR and your supervisor to discuss accommodations. Put the request in writing. The interactive process should involve someone with more direct knowledge of your job duties and what you may need to perform essential functions. 
> 
> Ms. Tai Tomasi, J.D.
> Pronouns: she/her/hers
> Staff Attorney
> 
> 
> 
> 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300
> Des Moines, Iowa 50309
> Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502
> FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711
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> I am working for a county district attorney. We are working on getting me necessary accommodations. However, human resources is insisting that they, rather than the DA, get to decide what accommodations are reasonable. Essentially we have put in a request and HR has not contacted me in several weeks, and refuses to move forward with the process. Does anybody know ADA protocols with respect to who engages in the interactive process for getting accommodations? HR is not equipped to determine the essential functions of this job or which accommodations will work.
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From ttomasi at driowa.org  Thu Nov 15 21:23:47 2018
From: ttomasi at driowa.org (Tai Tomasi)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 21:23:47 +0000
Subject: [blindlaw] HR and the Interactive Process
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Take the request up the chain of command.

Ms. Tai Tomasi, J.D.
Pronouns: she/her/hers
Staff Attorney



400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300
Des Moines, Iowa 50309
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Ty,

This already took place. HR knows exactly what accommodationss I need, they just won't respond to requests for further interaction/information. The DA is very upset about this, because they are fully willing to provide the accommodations which HR is obstructing.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 15, 2018, at 4:11 PM, Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Request a meeting with HR and your supervisor to discuss accommodations. Put the request in writing. The interactive process should involve someone with more direct knowledge of your job duties and what you may need to perform essential functions. 
> 
> Ms. Tai Tomasi, J.D.
> Pronouns: she/her/hers
> Staff Attorney
> 
> 
> 
> 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300
> Des Moines, Iowa 50309
> Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502
> FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711
> E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org
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> Subject: [blindlaw] HR and the Interactive Process
> 
> I am working for a county district attorney. We are working on getting me necessary accommodations. However, human resources is insisting that they, rather than the DA, get to decide what accommodations are reasonable. Essentially we have put in a request and HR has not contacted me in several weeks, and refuses to move forward with the process. Does anybody know ADA protocols with respect to who engages in the interactive process for getting accommodations? HR is not equipped to determine the essential functions of this job or which accommodations will work.
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From laura.wolk at gmail.com  Thu Nov 15 21:28:33 2018
From: laura.wolk at gmail.com (Laura Wolk)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 16:28:33 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] HR and the Interactive Process
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Is HR physically in the same building or close by? Can you and your boss go there in person" Documented of course. Email and phone calls can just go ignored.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 15, 2018, at 4:23 PM, Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Take the request up the chain of command.
> 
> Ms. Tai Tomasi, J.D.
> Pronouns: she/her/hers
> Staff Attorney
> 
> 
> 
> 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300
> Des Moines, Iowa 50309
> Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502
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> -----Original Message-----
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> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] HR and the Interactive Process
> 
> Ty,
> 
> This already took place. HR knows exactly what accommodationss I need, they just won't respond to requests for further interaction/information. The DA is very upset about this, because they are fully willing to provide the accommodations which HR is obstructing.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 15, 2018, at 4:11 PM, Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Request a meeting with HR and your supervisor to discuss accommodations. Put the request in writing. The interactive process should involve someone with more direct knowledge of your job duties and what you may need to perform essential functions. 
>> 
>> Ms. Tai Tomasi, J.D.
>> Pronouns: she/her/hers
>> Staff Attorney
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300
>> Des Moines, Iowa 50309
>> Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502
>> FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711
>> E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org
>> www.driowa.org
>> 
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>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of kelby carlson via BlindLaw
>> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2018 2:34 PM
>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: kelby carlson <kelbycarlson at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [blindlaw] HR and the Interactive Process
>> 
>> I am working for a county district attorney. We are working on getting me necessary accommodations. However, human resources is insisting that they, rather than the DA, get to decide what accommodations are reasonable. Essentially we have put in a request and HR has not contacted me in several weeks, and refuses to move forward with the process. Does anybody know ADA protocols with respect to who engages in the interactive process for getting accommodations? HR is not equipped to determine the essential functions of this job or which accommodations will work.
>> 
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From ttomasi at driowa.org  Thu Nov 15 21:46:18 2018
From: ttomasi at driowa.org (Tai Tomasi)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2018 21:46:18 +0000
Subject: [blindlaw] HR and the Interactive Process
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Agreed. If you can visit HR with your supervisor, that would be best.

Ms. Tai Tomasi, J.D.
Pronouns: she/her/hers
Staff Attorney



400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300
Des Moines, Iowa 50309
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From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Laura Wolk via BlindLaw
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2018 3:29 PM
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Cc: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [blindlaw] HR and the Interactive Process

Is HR physically in the same building or close by? Can you and your boss go there in person" Documented of course. Email and phone calls can just go ignored.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 15, 2018, at 4:23 PM, Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Take the request up the chain of command.
> 
> Ms. Tai Tomasi, J.D.
> Pronouns: she/her/hers
> Staff Attorney
> 
> 
> 
> 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300
> Des Moines, Iowa 50309
> Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502
> FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711
> E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org
> www.driowa.org
> 
> Our Mission:  To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities
> 
> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE
> 
> This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of kelby carlson via BlindLaw
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2018 3:20 PM
> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: kelby carlson <kelbycarlson at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] HR and the Interactive Process
> 
> Ty,
> 
> This already took place. HR knows exactly what accommodationss I need, they just won't respond to requests for further interaction/information. The DA is very upset about this, because they are fully willing to provide the accommodations which HR is obstructing.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 15, 2018, at 4:11 PM, Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Request a meeting with HR and your supervisor to discuss accommodations. Put the request in writing. The interactive process should involve someone with more direct knowledge of your job duties and what you may need to perform essential functions. 
>> 
>> Ms. Tai Tomasi, J.D.
>> Pronouns: she/her/hers
>> Staff Attorney
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300
>> Des Moines, Iowa 50309
>> Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502
>> FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711
>> E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org
>> www.driowa.org
>> 
>> Our Mission:  To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities
>> 
>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE
>> 
>> This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts.
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>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of kelby carlson via BlindLaw
>> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2018 2:34 PM
>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: kelby carlson <kelbycarlson at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [blindlaw] HR and the Interactive Process
>> 
>> I am working for a county district attorney. We are working on getting me necessary accommodations. However, human resources is insisting that they, rather than the DA, get to decide what accommodations are reasonable. Essentially we have put in a request and HR has not contacted me in several weeks, and refuses to move forward with the process. Does anybody know ADA protocols with respect to who engages in the interactive process for getting accommodations? HR is not equipped to determine the essential functions of this job or which accommodations will work.
>> 
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From kelbycarlson at gmail.com  Fri Nov 16 11:16:23 2018
From: kelbycarlson at gmail.com (kelby carlson)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2018 06:16:23 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] HR and the Interactive Process
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Unfortunately, I'm as far up the chain of command as I can go. My boss (the DA) is trying to get HR to move forward, but they won't. We may have to speak to the county commissioner. Thankfully my supervisors are on my side; from what I understand it's often the opposite.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 15, 2018, at 4:46 PM, Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Agreed. If you can visit HR with your supervisor, that would be best.
> 
> Ms. Tai Tomasi, J.D.
> Pronouns: she/her/hers
> Staff Attorney
> 
> 
> 
> 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300
> Des Moines, Iowa 50309
> Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502
> FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711
> E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org
> www.driowa.org
> 
> Our Mission:  To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities
> 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Laura Wolk via BlindLaw
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> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] HR and the Interactive Process
> 
> Is HR physically in the same building or close by? Can you and your boss go there in person" Documented of course. Email and phone calls can just go ignored.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 15, 2018, at 4:23 PM, Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Take the request up the chain of command.
>> 
>> Ms. Tai Tomasi, J.D.
>> Pronouns: she/her/hers
>> Staff Attorney
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300
>> Des Moines, Iowa 50309
>> Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502
>> FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711
>> E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org
>> www.driowa.org
>> 
>> Our Mission:  To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities
>> 
>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE
>> 
>> This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts.
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of kelby carlson via BlindLaw
>> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2018 3:20 PM
>> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: kelby carlson <kelbycarlson at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] HR and the Interactive Process
>> 
>> Ty,
>> 
>> This already took place. HR knows exactly what accommodationss I need, they just won't respond to requests for further interaction/information. The DA is very upset about this, because they are fully willing to provide the accommodations which HR is obstructing.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 15, 2018, at 4:11 PM, Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Request a meeting with HR and your supervisor to discuss accommodations. Put the request in writing. The interactive process should involve someone with more direct knowledge of your job duties and what you may need to perform essential functions. 
>>> 
>>> Ms. Tai Tomasi, J.D.
>>> Pronouns: she/her/hers
>>> Staff Attorney
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 400 East Court Ave., Ste. 300
>>> Des Moines, Iowa 50309
>>> Tel: 515-278-2502; Toll Free: 1-800-779-2502
>>> FAX: 515-278-0539; Relay 711
>>> E-mail: ttomasi at driowa.org
>>> www.driowa.org
>>> 
>>> Our Mission:  To defend and promote the human and legal rights of Iowans with disabilities
>>> 
>>> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE
>>> 
>>> This e-mail and any attachments contain information from the law firm of Disability Rights Iowa and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). This e-mail may contain privileged attorney-client communications or work product. Any dissemination by anyone other than an intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient, you are prohibited from any further viewing of the e-mail or any attachments or from making any use of the e-mail or attachments. If you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately and delete the e-mail, any attachments, and all copies from any drives or storage media and destroy any printouts.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of kelby carlson via BlindLaw
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2018 2:34 PM
>>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>>> Cc: kelby carlson <kelbycarlson at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: [blindlaw] HR and the Interactive Process
>>> 
>>> I am working for a county district attorney. We are working on getting me necessary accommodations. However, human resources is insisting that they, rather than the DA, get to decide what accommodations are reasonable. Essentially we have put in a request and HR has not contacted me in several weeks, and refuses to move forward with the process. Does anybody know ADA protocols with respect to who engages in the interactive process for getting accommodations? HR is not equipped to determine the essential functions of this job or which accommodations will work.
>>> 
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From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Fri Nov 16 14:11:04 2018
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2018 07:11:04 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Attorney and Legal Internship Vacancies at the U.S.
 Department of Justice
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From: DOJlawjobs (OARM) <DOJlawjobs at usdoj.gov> 
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 6:07 AM
To: Undisclosed recipients:
Subject: Attorney and Legal Internship Vacancies at the U.S. Department of
Justice

 

Below is a list of current attorney and legal internship vacancies at the
U.S. Department of Justice.  The Department of Justice office places a high
value on diversity of experiences and perspectives and encourages
applications from all qualified men and women from all ethnic and racial
backgrounds, veterans <https://www.justice.gov/careers/veteran-recruitment>
, LGBT individuals, and persons with disabilities
<https://www.justice.gov/careers/disability-hiring> .  We welcome
applications from candidates who are interested in positively contributing
to Justice and hope that you will consider joining the dedicated public
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Attorney Vacancies & Volunteer Legal Internships


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc> Hiring
Organization 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc> Job
Title 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_location_admin
istrative_area&sort=asc> State 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=desc>
Posted/ Updated 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc> Hiring
Organization Civil Division (CIV) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc> Job
Title Unpaid Law Student Volunteer, Summer- Fraud Section
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/unpaid-law-student-volunteer-summ
er-0>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_location_admin
istrative_area&sort=asc> State District of Columbia 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=desc>
Posted/ Updated November 16, 2018 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc> Hiring
Organization Civil Division (CIV) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc> Job
Title Unpaid Law Student Volunteer, Academic Year- Fraud Section
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/unpaid-law-student-volunteer-acad
emic-year-fraud-section>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_location_admin
istrative_area&sort=asc> State District of Columbia 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=desc>
Posted/ Updated November 16, 2018 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc> Hiring
Organization Office of the Inspector General (OIG) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc> Job
Title Attorney Advisor
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/attorney-advisor-188>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_location_admin
istrative_area&sort=asc> State District of Columbia 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=desc>
Posted/ Updated November 15, 2018 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc> Hiring
Organization USAO District of Arizona 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc> Job
Title Law Clerk, Student Volunteer, Tucson Branch, Summer 2019
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/law-clerk-student-volunteer-tucso
n-branch-summer-2019>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_location_admin
istrative_area&sort=asc> State Arizona 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=desc>
Posted/ Updated November 15, 2018 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc> Hiring
Organization Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc> Job
Title Supervisory Attorney
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/supervisory-attorney-7>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_location_admin
istrative_area&sort=asc> State Virginia 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=desc>
Posted/ Updated November 15, 2018 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc> Hiring
Organization USAO Middle District of Tennessee 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc> Job
Title Assistant United States Attorney
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/assistant-united-states-attorney-
535>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_location_admin
istrative_area&sort=asc> State Tennessee 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=desc>
Posted/ Updated November 15, 2018 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc> Hiring
Organization Criminal Division (CRM) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc> Job
Title Trial Attorney (Privilege Review)
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/trial-attorney-privilege-review> 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_location_admin
istrative_area&sort=asc> State District of Columbia 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=desc>
Posted/ Updated November 15, 2018 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc> Hiring
Organization USAO Southern District of Illinois 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc> Job
Title Assistant United States Attorney
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/assistant-united-states-attorney-
850> 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_location_admin
istrative_area&sort=asc> State Illinois 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=desc>
Posted/ Updated November 15, 2018 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc> Hiring
Organization USAO Central District of Illinois 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc> Job
Title Assistant US Attorney
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/assistant-us-attorney-65> 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_location_admin
istrative_area&sort=asc> State Illinois 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=desc>
Posted/ Updated November 15, 2018 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc> Hiring
Organization Criminal Division (CRM) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc> Job
Title Uncompensated Special Assistant United States Attorney (SAUSA)
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/uncompensated-special-assistant-u
nited-states-attorney-sausa-3>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_location_admin
istrative_area&sort=asc> State California 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=desc>
Posted/ Updated November 14, 2018 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc> Hiring
Organization USAO Eastern District of California 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc> Job
Title Assistant United States Attorney
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/assistant-united-states-attorney-
655>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_location_admin
istrative_area&sort=asc> State California 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=desc>
Posted/ Updated November 14, 2018 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc> Hiring
Organization USAO Eastern District of California 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc> Job
Title Assistant United States Attorney
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/assistant-united-states-attorney-
803>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_location_admin
istrative_area&sort=asc> State California 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=desc>
Posted/ Updated November 14, 2018 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc> Hiring
Organization USAO Eastern District of California 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc> Job
Title Assistant United States Attorney
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/assistant-united-states-attorney-
816>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_location_admin
istrative_area&sort=asc> State California 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=desc>
Posted/ Updated November 14, 2018 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc> Hiring
Organization USAO Eastern District of California 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc> Job
Title Assistant United States Attorney
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/assistant-united-states-attorney-
817>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_location_admin
istrative_area&sort=asc> State California 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=desc>
Posted/ Updated November 14, 2018 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc> Hiring
Organization USAO District of Hawaii 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc> Job
Title Summer Law Clerk
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/summer-law-clerk-0>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_location_admin
istrative_area&sort=asc> State Hawaii 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=desc>
Posted/ Updated November 14, 2018 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc> Hiring
Organization USAO Middle District of Alabama 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc> Job
Title Law Student Volunteer, Summer
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/usao-middle-district-alabama-huma
n-resources-office-131-clayton-street-montgomery%C2%A0>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_location_admin
istrative_area&sort=asc> State Alabama 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=desc>
Posted/ Updated November 14, 2018 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc> Hiring
Organization Federal Bureau of Prisons (BOP) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc> Job
Title Attorney Advisor
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/attorney-advisor-187>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_location_admin
istrative_area&sort=asc> State District of Columbia 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=desc>
Posted/ Updated November 14, 2018 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc> Hiring
Organization Executive Office for Immigration Review (EOIR) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc> Job
Title Law Student Volunteer, Summer 2019
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/law-student-volunteer-summer-2019
-14>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_location_admin
istrative_area&sort=asc> State California 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=desc>
Posted/ Updated November 13, 2018 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc> Hiring
Organization USAO Southern District of Florida 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc> Job
Title Assistant United States Attorney (Appellate)
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/assistant-united-states-attorney-
appellate-5>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_location_admin
istrative_area&sort=asc> State Florida 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=desc>
Posted/ Updated November 13, 2018 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc> Hiring
Organization Civil Division (CIV) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc> Job
Title Law Student Volunteer, Summer- Environmental Torts
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/law-student-volunteer-summer-envi
ronmental-torts> 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_location_admin
istrative_area&sort=asc> State District of Columbia 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=desc>
Posted/ Updated November 13, 2018 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc> Hiring
Organization Executive Office for Immigration Review (EOIR) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc> Job
Title Law Student Volunteer
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/law-student-volunteer-150> 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_location_admin
istrative_area&sort=asc> State New York 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=desc>
Posted/ Updated November 13, 2018 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc> Hiring
Organization United States Trustee Program (USTP) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc> Job
Title Assistant US Trustee (AUST)
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/assistant-us-trustee-aust-6>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_location_admin
istrative_area&sort=asc> State California 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=desc>
Posted/ Updated November 13, 2018 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc> Hiring
Organization USAO Western District of North Carolina 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc> Job
Title Assistant United States Attorney
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/assistant-united-states-attorney-
854>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_location_admin
istrative_area&sort=asc> State North Carolina 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=desc>
Posted/ Updated November 12, 2018 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc> Hiring
Organization USAO Western District of Tennessee 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc> Job
Title Assistant United States Attorney (AUSA)
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/assistant-united-states-attorney-
ausa-41>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_location_admin
istrative_area&sort=asc> State Tennessee 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=desc>
Posted/ Updated November 9, 2018 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc> Hiring
Organization Civil Division (CIV) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc> Job
Title Trial Attorney
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/trial-attorney-299>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_location_admin
istrative_area&sort=asc> State District of Columbia 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%253B%253Bfield_va_location
_administrative_area=All&%253B%253Bpage=3&position=All&tid=All&practice_area
=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=desc>
Posted/ Updated November 9, 2018 


Hiring Organization
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?amp%3B%3Bamp%3Bpage=2&page=
1&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_ar
ea=All&order=name&sort=asc>  

Job Title
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?amp%3B%3Bamp%3Bpage=2&page=
1&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_ar
ea=All&order=title&sort=asc>  

State
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?amp%3B%3Bamp%3Bpage=2&page=
1&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_ar
ea=All&order=field_va_location_administrative_area&sort=asc>  

Posted/ Updated
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?amp%3B%3Bamp%3Bpage=2&page=
1&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_ar
ea=All&order=changed&sort=asc>  


Hiring Organization
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?amp%3B%3Bamp%3Bpage=2&page=
1&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_ar
ea=All&order=name&sort=asc>  Civil Division (CIV) 

Job Title
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?amp%3B%3Bamp%3Bpage=2&page=
1&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_ar
ea=All&order=title&sort=asc>  Trial Attorney
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/trial-attorney-298>  

State
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?amp%3B%3Bamp%3Bpage=2&page=
1&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_ar
ea=All&order=field_va_location_administrative_area&sort=asc>  District of
Columbia 

Posted/ Updated
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?amp%3B%3Bamp%3Bpage=2&page=
1&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_ar
ea=All&order=changed&sort=asc>  November 9, 2018 


Hiring Organization
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?amp%3B%3Bamp%3Bpage=2&page=
1&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_ar
ea=All&order=name&sort=asc>  USAO Eastern District of Pennsylvania 

Job Title
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?amp%3B%3Bamp%3Bpage=2&page=
1&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_ar
ea=All&order=title&sort=asc>  Summer Legal Intern
<https://www.justice.gov/usao-edpa/job/summer-legal-intern>  

State
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?amp%3B%3Bamp%3Bpage=2&page=
1&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_ar
ea=All&order=field_va_location_administrative_area&sort=asc>  Pennsylvania 

Posted/ Updated
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?amp%3B%3Bamp%3Bpage=2&page=
1&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_ar
ea=All&order=changed&sort=asc>  November 9, 2018 


Hiring Organization
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?amp%3B%3Bamp%3Bpage=2&page=
1&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_ar
ea=All&order=name&sort=asc>  USAO Northern District of Oklahoma 

Job Title
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?amp%3B%3Bamp%3Bpage=2&page=
1&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_ar
ea=All&order=title&sort=asc>  Law Student Volunteer, Summer 2019
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/law-student-volunteer-summer-2019
-13>  

State
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?amp%3B%3Bamp%3Bpage=2&page=
1&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_ar
ea=All&order=field_va_location_administrative_area&sort=asc>  Oklahoma 

Posted/ Updated
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?amp%3B%3Bamp%3Bpage=2&page=
1&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_ar
ea=All&order=changed&sort=asc>  November 9, 2018 


Hiring Organization
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?amp%3B%3Bamp%3Bpage=2&page=
1&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_ar
ea=All&order=name&sort=asc>  USAO Western District of Michigan 

Job Title
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?amp%3B%3Bamp%3Bpage=2&page=
1&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_ar
ea=All&order=title&sort=asc>  Summer 2019 Volunteer Law Intern
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/summer-2019-volunteer-law-intern>


State
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?amp%3B%3Bamp%3Bpage=2&page=
1&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_ar
ea=All&order=field_va_location_administrative_area&sort=asc>  Michigan 

Posted/ Updated
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?amp%3B%3Bamp%3Bpage=2&page=
1&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_ar
ea=All&order=changed&sort=asc>  November 9, 2018 

 

 

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From ckrugman at sbcglobal.net  Sat Nov 17 05:09:23 2018
From: ckrugman at sbcglobal.net (ckrugman at sbcglobal.net)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2018 21:09:23 -0800
Subject: [blindlaw] taking the plunge
Message-ID: <000a01d47e33$b585e570$2091b050$@sbcglobal.net>

After many years working as a paralegal I am seriously considering taking
the plunge of on line law school. I am seriously looking at Northwestern
California University school of Law in Sacramento. Has anyone had any
experiences with this particular law school? I met with them a few years ago
and at that time I was told that they have had blind students participate in
their program. At my age I am not wanting to incur much student debt and I
am not in a position to relocate. Any info is appreciated. Regards.

Chuck Krugman, MSW Paralegal

1237 P Street

Fresno ca 93721

559-266-9237



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From dandrews at visi.com  Sun Nov 18 20:49:18 2018
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2018 14:49:18 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] HR and the Interactive Process
In-Reply-To: <94CBF9A6-0410-433F-8E39-E09FD4C170BB@gmail.com>
References: <94CBF9A6-0410-433F-8E39-E09FD4C170BB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <auto-000114189045@mailfront2.g2host.com>

I think the ADA just designates one entity as an organization.  It 
does not speak to components within a larger entity. You will just 
have to work that out!

Dave

At 02:33 PM 11/15/2018, you wrote:
>I am working for a county district attorney. We are working on 
>getting me necessary accommodations. However, human resources is 
>insisting that they, rather than the DA, get to decide what 
>accommodations are reasonable. Essentially we have put in a request 
>and HR has not contacted me in several weeks, and refuses to move 
>forward with the process. Does anybody know ADA protocols with 
>respect to who engages in the interactive process for getting 
>accommodations? HR is not equipped to determine the essential 
>functions of this job or which accommodations will work.
>
>Sent from my iPhone



From glnorman15 at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 20 15:43:16 2018
From: glnorman15 at hotmail.com (GL Norman)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 15:43:16 +0000
Subject: [blindlaw] Dialogue Wash. D.C. Feb.
Message-ID: <BN6PR1401MB206854B8221D46A8649FB9ABD1D90@BN6PR1401MB2068.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>

Trans-Atlantic Reflection on Power of Technology for Inclusion

February 22, 2019 at the German Marshall Fund of the U.S.

Gary C. Norman, Esq. L.L.M. (AMMF 2008) Convener
Debra V. Hamilton, Esq. Hamilton Law and Mediation, PLLC Master of Ceremony and Co-Facilitator

For accommodations or for reservations, contact the German Marshall Fund of the U.S.


Join one of our distinguished alumni of the AMMF program, and a lawyer with a disability, to engage in a coffee conversation (or other beverage with light snacks) on the role technology will play and will continue to play, in either building or in eroding diversity and inclusion, as well as civil rights, in the Trans-Atlantic partnership. Join him at 1:30 P.M.
1744 R. Street, N.W.
Upstairs in the board room (Elevator access available)

Gary, the robust commentary of other alumni, as well as European interlocuters, will seek to arrive at a consensus-based document of recommendations on the impact of technology on civil rights and human rights. Kerry Thompson and he co-hosted and co-implemented two dialogues in 2018 as part of an Alumni Action grant. As follow-up to his joint dialogue work and his column in the Maryland Daily Record on technology and civil rights, we host this conversation exploring:

  *   Is technology, such as social media, connecting us or further eroding us as Trans-Atlantic leaders? Especially in terms of democracy and inclusion?
  *   Is our technology eco system fully accessible yet to a range of populations, such as the disabled?
  *   What role will AI play in expanding or in eroding civil rights?
  *   Is there a Trans-Atlantic business case for diversity and inclusion, and ensuring technology supports this?


For general questions, please telephone Gary C. Norman, Esq. L.L.M. at (410) 241-6745.


From joshl at loevy.com  Tue Nov 20 20:02:13 2018
From: joshl at loevy.com (Josh Loevy)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 14:02:13 -0600
Subject: [blindlaw] question for litigators
Message-ID: <1d8d6497631bda2599f29cb7fa4e6ceb@mail.gmail.com>

Hey All,

I am in the midst of putting together some case charts to manage document
analysis. I wanted to see if anyone has developed a case charting system
they like. I am using the pattern jury instructions as a foundation, but am
trying to figure out the best and most accessible format.

From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Wed Nov 21 16:35:35 2018
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 16:35:35 +0000
Subject: [blindlaw] Attorney Opportunities at the Washington Attorney
 General's Office
Message-ID: <BYAPR09MB3256DCE3191E15B0963FE00FF9DA0@BYAPR09MB3256.namprd09.prod.outlook.com>



From: Linda Nakamura [mailto:LindaP2 at atg.wa.gov]
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2018 5:52 PM
To: Diversity Stakeholders
Subject: [diversity-stakeholders] Attorney Opportunities at the WA Attorney General's Office
Importance: High

Strongly united in the knowledge that only by fostering the inclusion of people from all backgrounds, cultures and attributes, can employees of the Washington State Attorney General's Office achieve their fullest potential and best advance the goals and mission of the Office, we invite you to consider applying for the following opportunities.


Click on the link below to access full position descriptions and qualifications for each opportunity.  You can also visit the state's centralized recruitment site at www.careers.wa.gov<http://www.careers.wa.gov/>. For information about the AGO, visit www.atg.wa.gov<http://www.atg.wa.gov/>.



AAG - University of Washington Division in Seattle<https://www.governmentjobs.com/careers/washington/jobs/2273653/assistant-attorney-general-university-of-washington-division-in-seattle?department%5b0%5d=Attorney%20General's%20Office&sort=PositionTitle%7CAscending&page=2&pagetype=jobOpportunitiesJobs>  (DL: 12/11/18)

AAG - Ecology Division in Olympia<https://www.governmentjobs.com/careers/washington/jobs/2269049/assistant-attorney-general-ecology-division-in-olympia>  (DL:  12/9/18)

AAG - Torts Division in Olympia<https://www.governmentjobs.com/careers/washington/jobs/2274092/assistant-attorney-general-torts-division-in-olympia?department%5b0%5d=Attorney%20General's%20Office&sort=PositionTitle%7CAscending&pagetype=jobOpportunitiesJobs>  (DL:  12/5/18)

AAG - Criminal Justice Division in Seattle<https://www.governmentjobs.com/careers/washington/jobs/2235734/senior-assistant-attorney-general-criminal-justice-division-in-seattle?department%5b0%5d=Attorney%20General's%20Office&sort=PositionTitle%7CAscending&page=2&pagetype=jobOpportunitiesJobs>  (DL:  12/4/18)

AAG - Regional Services Division in Yakima<https://www.governmentjobs.com/careers/washington/jobs/2251234/assistant-attorney-general-regional-services-division-in-yakima?location%5b0%5d=yakima%20county&sort=PostingDate%7CDescending&pagetype=jobOpportunitiesJobs>  (DL:  12/4/18)

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From sai at fiatfiendum.org  Thu Nov 22 16:29:15 2018
From: sai at fiatfiendum.org (Sai)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2018 17:29:15 +0100
Subject: [blindlaw] question for litigators
In-Reply-To: <1d8d6497631bda2599f29cb7fa4e6ceb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1d8d6497631bda2599f29cb7fa4e6ceb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4f36d0a0-cfb7-e458-e350-08dc46e0307e@fiatfiendum.org>

Are you preparing for a trial actually likely to go to jury? What topic?

Is what you mean, when referring to jury instructions as a template,
just that they provide a handy outline of the elements that need to be
proved or attacked?


E.g. there are areas, like FOIA or APA, where pattern jury instructions
don't really apply, Those cases almost always end with MSJs, not even a
bench trial. (And those are the only kind I've done personally.)

I like to just use outlines and spreadsheets. That's basically how I
draft everything, really, and how I keep track of e.g. issues for
appeal, case cites, etc as well.


That's also what I did when drafting bench memos.

First I'd make an outline of the facts and record (regardless of the law
to apply). (That's just because it helps my memory to think of things in
context and have a better timeline than the record usually gives. It's
probably more efficient to first check the law and then filter out the
facts that aren't relevant.)

Then I'd check what laws apply, what cases are good or not, standard of
review (my judge was appellate), etc. — and categorize those all into a
handful of groups, based more or less on what aspects they go to and
pro/con on what issues. The outline helped me spot a few cases when the
one or both parties failed to address some important issue and I'd have
to do more research on it, since it wasn't briefed enough.


For Answers, MSJs, Vaughn indices, and the like, I like to make a
spreadsheet of all the claims and responses, then just go through each
one, categorizing into a separate column and pulling out the language
that's not repetitive. They're damn near impossible to keep straight
otherwise. (Especially an Answer; those'll just put you to sleep.)


However, I am by no means an experienced litigator, I use computers
mostly sighted (at least for litigation purposes).

And I'm not even sure if the above is the kind of answer you were hoping
for.

Maybe you could elaborate so others could give a better answer?

Sincerely,
Sai
President, Fiat Fiendum, Inc.

On 11/20/18 21:02, Josh Loevy via BlindLaw wrote:
> Hey All,
> 
> I am in the midst of putting together some case charts to manage document
> analysis. I wanted to see if anyone has developed a case charting system
> they like. I am using the pattern jury instructions as a foundation, but am
> trying to figure out the best and most accessible format.
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From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Mon Nov 26 14:53:39 2018
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 07:53:39 -0700
Subject: [blindlaw] FW: Attorney and Legal Internship Vacancies at the U.S.
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ocation_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_location_administrative_area&
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<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Border=name&%3Bamp%
3Bsort=asc&%3Bposition=All&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_l
ocation_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc> Posted/ Updated
November 20, 2018 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Border=name&%3Bamp%
3Bsort=asc&%3Bposition=All&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_l
ocation_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc> Hiring Organization
Criminal Division (CRM) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Border=name&%3Bamp%
3Bsort=asc&%3Bposition=All&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_l
ocation_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc> Job Title Trial
Attorney <https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/trial-attorney-303>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Border=name&%3Bamp%
3Bsort=asc&%3Bposition=All&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_l
ocation_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_location_administrative_area&
sort=asc> State District of Columbia 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Border=name&%3Bamp%
3Bsort=asc&%3Bposition=All&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_l
ocation_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc> Posted/ Updated
November 20, 2018 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Border=name&%3Bamp%
3Bsort=asc&%3Bposition=All&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_l
ocation_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc> Hiring Organization
USAO Northern District of Iowa 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Border=name&%3Bamp%
3Bsort=asc&%3Bposition=All&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_l
ocation_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc> Job Title Law Student
Volunteer, Fall
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/law-student-volunteer-fall-2>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Border=name&%3Bamp%
3Bsort=asc&%3Bposition=All&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_l
ocation_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_location_administrative_area&
sort=asc> State Iowa 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Border=name&%3Bamp%
3Bsort=asc&%3Bposition=All&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_l
ocation_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc> Posted/ Updated
November 20, 2018 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Border=name&%3Bamp%
3Bsort=asc&%3Bposition=All&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_l
ocation_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc> Hiring Organization
USAO Northern District of Iowa 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Border=name&%3Bamp%
3Bsort=asc&%3Bposition=All&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_l
ocation_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc> Job Title Law Student
Volunteer-Summer 2019
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/law-student-volunteer-summer-2019
-15>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Border=name&%3Bamp%
3Bsort=asc&%3Bposition=All&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_l
ocation_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_location_administrative_area&
sort=asc> State Iowa 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Border=name&%3Bamp%
3Bsort=asc&%3Bposition=All&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_l
ocation_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc> Posted/ Updated
November 20, 2018 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Border=name&%3Bamp%
3Bsort=asc&%3Bposition=All&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_l
ocation_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc> Hiring Organization
USAO District of Kansas 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Border=name&%3Bamp%
3Bsort=asc&%3Bposition=All&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_l
ocation_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc> Job Title Law Student
Volunteer
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/law-student-volunteer-53>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Border=name&%3Bamp%
3Bsort=asc&%3Bposition=All&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_l
ocation_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_location_administrative_area&
sort=asc> State Kansas 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Border=name&%3Bamp%
3Bsort=asc&%3Bposition=All&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_l
ocation_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc> Posted/ Updated
November 20, 2018 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Border=name&%3Bamp%
3Bsort=asc&%3Bposition=All&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_l
ocation_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc> Hiring Organization
USAO District of Vermont 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Border=name&%3Bamp%
3Bsort=asc&%3Bposition=All&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_l
ocation_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc> Job Title Law Student
Volunteer, Summer
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/law-student-volunteer-summer-170>


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Border=name&%3Bamp%
3Bsort=asc&%3Bposition=All&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_l
ocation_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_location_administrative_area&
sort=asc> State Vermont 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Border=name&%3Bamp%
3Bsort=asc&%3Bposition=All&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_l
ocation_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc> Posted/ Updated
November 20, 2018 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Border=name&%3Bamp%
3Bsort=asc&%3Bposition=All&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_l
ocation_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc> Hiring Organization
USAO District of Maine 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Border=name&%3Bamp%
3Bsort=asc&%3Bposition=All&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_l
ocation_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc> Job Title Law Student
Volunteer, Summer
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/law-student-volunteer-summer-96>


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Border=name&%3Bamp%
3Bsort=asc&%3Bposition=All&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_l
ocation_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_location_administrative_area&
sort=asc> State Maine 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Border=name&%3Bamp%
3Bsort=asc&%3Bposition=All&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_l
ocation_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc> Posted/ Updated
November 19, 2018 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Border=name&%3Bamp%
3Bsort=asc&%3Bposition=All&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_l
ocation_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc> Hiring Organization
USAO Eastern District of Virginia 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Border=name&%3Bamp%
3Bsort=asc&%3Bposition=All&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_l
ocation_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc> Job Title Law Student
Volunteer, Summer
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/law-student-volunteer-summer-172>


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Border=name&%3Bamp%
3Bsort=asc&%3Bposition=All&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_l
ocation_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_location_administrative_area&
sort=asc> State Virginia 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Border=name&%3Bamp%
3Bsort=asc&%3Bposition=All&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_l
ocation_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc> Posted/ Updated
November 19, 2018 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Border=name&%3Bamp%
3Bsort=asc&%3Bposition=All&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_l
ocation_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc> Hiring Organization
USAO Eastern District of Virginia 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Border=name&%3Bamp%
3Bsort=asc&%3Bposition=All&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_l
ocation_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc> Job Title Law Student
Volunteer, Summer
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/law-student-volunteer-summer-171>


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Border=name&%3Bamp%
3Bsort=asc&%3Bposition=All&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_l
ocation_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_location_administrative_area&
sort=asc> State Virginia 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Border=name&%3Bamp%
3Bsort=asc&%3Bposition=All&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_l
ocation_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc> Posted/ Updated
November 19, 2018 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Border=name&%3Bamp%
3Bsort=asc&%3Bposition=All&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_l
ocation_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc> Hiring Organization
USAO District of Hawaii 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Border=name&%3Bamp%
3Bsort=asc&%3Bposition=All&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_l
ocation_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc> Job Title Summer Law
Clerk <https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/summer-law-clerk-0>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Border=name&%3Bamp%
3Bsort=asc&%3Bposition=All&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_l
ocation_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_location_administrative_area&
sort=asc> State Hawaii 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Border=name&%3Bamp%
3Bsort=asc&%3Bposition=All&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_l
ocation_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc> Posted/ Updated
November 19, 2018 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Border=name&%3Bamp%
3Bsort=asc&%3Bposition=All&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_l
ocation_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc> Hiring Organization
Civil Division (CIV) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Border=name&%3Bamp%
3Bsort=asc&%3Bposition=All&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_l
ocation_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc> Job Title Unpaid Law
Student Volunteer, Academic Year- Fraud Section
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/unpaid-law-student-volunteer-acad
emic-year-fraud-section>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Border=name&%3Bamp%
3Bsort=asc&%3Bposition=All&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_l
ocation_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_location_administrative_area&
sort=asc> State District of Columbia 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Border=name&%3Bamp%
3Bsort=asc&%3Bposition=All&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_l
ocation_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc> Posted/ Updated
November 19, 2018 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Border=name&%3Bamp%
3Bsort=asc&%3Bposition=All&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_l
ocation_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc> Hiring Organization
USAO District of Idaho 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Border=name&%3Bamp%
3Bsort=asc&%3Bposition=All&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_l
ocation_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc> Job Title Assistant
United States Attorney
<https://www.justice.gov/usao-id/job/assistant-united-states-attorney>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Border=name&%3Bamp%
3Bsort=asc&%3Bposition=All&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_l
ocation_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_location_administrative_area&
sort=asc> State Idaho 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Border=name&%3Bamp%
3Bsort=asc&%3Bposition=All&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_l
ocation_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc> Posted/ Updated
November 19, 2018 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Border=name&%3Bamp%
3Bsort=asc&%3Bposition=All&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_l
ocation_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc> Hiring Organization
USAO Middle District of Louisiana 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Border=name&%3Bamp%
3Bsort=asc&%3Bposition=All&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_l
ocation_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc> Job Title Assistant
United States Attorney
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/assistant-united-states-attorney-
859>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Border=name&%3Bamp%
3Bsort=asc&%3Bposition=All&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_l
ocation_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_location_administrative_area&
sort=asc> State Louisiana 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Border=name&%3Bamp%
3Bsort=asc&%3Bposition=All&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_l
ocation_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc> Posted/ Updated
November 19, 2018 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Border=name&%3Bamp%
3Bsort=asc&%3Bposition=All&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_l
ocation_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc> Hiring Organization
USAO Northern District of Ohio 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Border=name&%3Bamp%
3Bsort=asc&%3Bposition=All&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_l
ocation_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc> Job Title Assistant
United States Attorney (Criminal)
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/assistant-united-states-attorney-
criminal-47>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Border=name&%3Bamp%
3Bsort=asc&%3Bposition=All&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_l
ocation_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_location_administrative_area&
sort=asc> State Ohio 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Border=name&%3Bamp%
3Bsort=asc&%3Bposition=All&position=All&tid=All&practice_area=All&field_va_l
ocation_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc> Posted/ Updated
November 19, 2018 


Hiring Organization
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Bfield_va_location_
administrative_area=All&%3Bamp%3Bpage=2&field_va_location_administrative_are
a=All&position=All&practice_area=All&tid=All&page=1&order=name&sort=asc>  

Job Title
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Bfield_va_location_
administrative_area=All&%3Bamp%3Bpage=2&field_va_location_administrative_are
a=All&position=All&practice_area=All&tid=All&page=1&order=title&sort=asc>  

State
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Bfield_va_location_
administrative_area=All&%3Bamp%3Bpage=2&field_va_location_administrative_are
a=All&position=All&practice_area=All&tid=All&page=1&order=field_va_location_
administrative_area&sort=asc>  

Posted/ Updated
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Bfield_va_location_
administrative_area=All&%3Bamp%3Bpage=2&field_va_location_administrative_are
a=All&position=All&practice_area=All&tid=All&page=1&order=changed&sort=asc>



Hiring Organization
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Bfield_va_location_
administrative_area=All&%3Bamp%3Bpage=2&field_va_location_administrative_are
a=All&position=All&practice_area=All&tid=All&page=1&order=name&sort=asc>
Civil Division (CIV) 

Job Title
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Bfield_va_location_
administrative_area=All&%3Bamp%3Bpage=2&field_va_location_administrative_are
a=All&position=All&practice_area=All&tid=All&page=1&order=title&sort=asc>
Trial Attorney
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/trial-attorney-302>  

State
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Bfield_va_location_
administrative_area=All&%3Bamp%3Bpage=2&field_va_location_administrative_are
a=All&position=All&practice_area=All&tid=All&page=1&order=field_va_location_
administrative_area&sort=asc>  District of Columbia 

Posted/ Updated
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Bfield_va_location_
administrative_area=All&%3Bamp%3Bpage=2&field_va_location_administrative_are
a=All&position=All&practice_area=All&tid=All&page=1&order=changed&sort=asc>
November 19, 2018 


Hiring Organization
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Bfield_va_location_
administrative_area=All&%3Bamp%3Bpage=2&field_va_location_administrative_are
a=All&position=All&practice_area=All&tid=All&page=1&order=name&sort=asc>
Civil Division (CIV) 

Job Title
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Bfield_va_location_
administrative_area=All&%3Bamp%3Bpage=2&field_va_location_administrative_are
a=All&position=All&practice_area=All&tid=All&page=1&order=title&sort=asc>
Trial Attorney
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/trial-attorney-301>  

State
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Bfield_va_location_
administrative_area=All&%3Bamp%3Bpage=2&field_va_location_administrative_are
a=All&position=All&practice_area=All&tid=All&page=1&order=field_va_location_
administrative_area&sort=asc>  District of Columbia 

Posted/ Updated
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Bfield_va_location_
administrative_area=All&%3Bamp%3Bpage=2&field_va_location_administrative_are
a=All&position=All&practice_area=All&tid=All&page=1&order=changed&sort=asc>
November 19, 2018 


Hiring Organization
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Bfield_va_location_
administrative_area=All&%3Bamp%3Bpage=2&field_va_location_administrative_are
a=All&position=All&practice_area=All&tid=All&page=1&order=name&sort=asc>
USAO Eastern District of Tennessee 

Job Title
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Bfield_va_location_
administrative_area=All&%3Bamp%3Bpage=2&field_va_location_administrative_are
a=All&position=All&practice_area=All&tid=All&page=1&order=title&sort=asc>
Assistant United States Attorney
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/assistant-united-states-attorney-
857>  

State
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Bfield_va_location_
administrative_area=All&%3Bamp%3Bpage=2&field_va_location_administrative_are
a=All&position=All&practice_area=All&tid=All&page=1&order=field_va_location_
administrative_area&sort=asc>  Tennessee 

Posted/ Updated
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Bfield_va_location_
administrative_area=All&%3Bamp%3Bpage=2&field_va_location_administrative_are
a=All&position=All&practice_area=All&tid=All&page=1&order=changed&sort=asc>
November 19, 2018 


Hiring Organization
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Bfield_va_location_
administrative_area=All&%3Bamp%3Bpage=2&field_va_location_administrative_are
a=All&position=All&practice_area=All&tid=All&page=1&order=name&sort=asc>
USAO Eastern District of Tennessee 

Job Title
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Bfield_va_location_
administrative_area=All&%3Bamp%3Bpage=2&field_va_location_administrative_are
a=All&position=All&practice_area=All&tid=All&page=1&order=title&sort=asc>
Assistant United States Attorney
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/assistant-united-states-attorney-
858>  

State
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Bfield_va_location_
administrative_area=All&%3Bamp%3Bpage=2&field_va_location_administrative_are
a=All&position=All&practice_area=All&tid=All&page=1&order=field_va_location_
administrative_area&sort=asc>  Tennessee 

Posted/ Updated
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Bfield_va_location_
administrative_area=All&%3Bamp%3Bpage=2&field_va_location_administrative_are
a=All&position=All&practice_area=All&tid=All&page=1&order=changed&sort=asc>
November 19, 2018 


Hiring Organization
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Bfield_va_location_
administrative_area=All&%3Bamp%3Bpage=2&field_va_location_administrative_are
a=All&position=All&practice_area=All&tid=All&page=1&order=name&sort=asc>
USAO Eastern District of Washington 

Job Title
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Bfield_va_location_
administrative_area=All&%3Bamp%3Bpage=2&field_va_location_administrative_are
a=All&position=All&practice_area=All&tid=All&page=1&order=title&sort=asc>
Attorney <https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/attorney-59>  

State
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Bfield_va_location_
administrative_area=All&%3Bamp%3Bpage=2&field_va_location_administrative_are
a=All&position=All&practice_area=All&tid=All&page=1&order=field_va_location_
administrative_area&sort=asc>  Washington 

Posted/ Updated
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Bfield_va_location_
administrative_area=All&%3Bamp%3Bpage=2&field_va_location_administrative_are
a=All&position=All&practice_area=All&tid=All&page=1&order=changed&sort=asc>
November 19, 2018 


Hiring Organization
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Bfield_va_location_
administrative_area=All&%3Bamp%3Bpage=2&field_va_location_administrative_are
a=All&position=All&practice_area=All&tid=All&page=1&order=name&sort=asc>
USAO Eastern District of Washington 

Job Title
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Bfield_va_location_
administrative_area=All&%3Bamp%3Bpage=2&field_va_location_administrative_are
a=All&position=All&practice_area=All&tid=All&page=1&order=title&sort=asc>
Attorney <https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/attorney-60>  

State
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Bfield_va_location_
administrative_area=All&%3Bamp%3Bpage=2&field_va_location_administrative_are
a=All&position=All&practice_area=All&tid=All&page=1&order=field_va_location_
administrative_area&sort=asc>  Washington 

Posted/ Updated
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Bfield_va_location_
administrative_area=All&%3Bamp%3Bpage=2&field_va_location_administrative_are
a=All&position=All&practice_area=All&tid=All&page=1&order=changed&sort=asc>
November 19, 2018 


Hiring Organization
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Bfield_va_location_
administrative_area=All&%3Bamp%3Bpage=2&field_va_location_administrative_are
a=All&position=All&practice_area=All&tid=All&page=1&order=name&sort=asc>
United States Trustee Program (USTP) 

Job Title
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Bfield_va_location_
administrative_area=All&%3Bamp%3Bpage=2&field_va_location_administrative_are
a=All&position=All&practice_area=All&tid=All&page=1&order=title&sort=asc>
Law Student Volunteer
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/law-student-volunteer-151>  

State
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Bfield_va_location_
administrative_area=All&%3Bamp%3Bpage=2&field_va_location_administrative_are
a=All&position=All&practice_area=All&tid=All&page=1&order=field_va_location_
administrative_area&sort=asc>  District of Columbia 

Posted/ Updated
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?%3Bamp%3Bfield_va_location_
administrative_area=All&%3Bamp%3Bpage=2&field_va_location_administrative_are
a=All&position=All&practice_area=All&tid=All&page=1&order=changed&sort=asc>
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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Mon Nov 26 17:06:08 2018
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 17:06:08 +0000
Subject: [blindlaw] Disability Rights Washington is hiring a Prisoners'
 Rights Litigator
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DRW’s Amplifying Voices of Inmates with Disabilities (AVID) Program seeks a full-time prisoners’ rights litigator with a demonstrated interest in conducting impact litigation to enforce the legal rights of incarcerated individuals enduring abuse, neglect, or other human and civil rights violations. This position will require a licensed attorney with the ability to conduct systemic investigations, develop complex advocacy strategies, and represent both classes and individuals. The AVID Program enjoys DRW’s unique access authority, which will allow the attorney the ability to see firsthand the conditions in Washington’s prisons and jails, even in the most secluded and segregated parts of those facilities.

The ideal candidate would have lived and/or professional experience relating to the AVID Program’s practice areas, which include, but are not limited to: addressing discrimination, improving conditions of confinement for people experiencing incarceration, supporting community reentry from institutionalization or incarceration, and ending abuse and neglect.

DRW seeks applicants who have the ability to work independently in a team of supportive colleagues and are seeking to join in our mission to “advance the dignity, equality, and self-determination of people with disabilities.” People with disabilities, people of color, formerly institutionalized or incarcerated individuals, and those from other oppressed groups and all protected classes are strongly encouraged to apply. For a full job description, visit: https://www.disabilityrightswa.org/2018/11/19/now-hiring-prisoners-rights-litigation-attorney/<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.disabilityrightswa.org%2F2018%2F11%2F19%2Fnow-hiring-prisoners-rights-litigation-attorney%2F&data=02%7C01%7CDaquiz.Abigail%40dol.gov%7C42bb95e8d6aa4302836708d64ff47f10%7C75a6305472044e0c9126adab971d4aca%7C0%7C0%7C636784308855946982&sdata=U%2FgJTJ6G43FBhysjjNJLfwcUX%2FKXDmGpwoHDlNTyu7M%3D&reserved=0>.

Please spread the word about this opportunity!

Heather McKimmie, Attorney
Director of AVID Program
Amplifying Voices of Inmates with Disabilities
Pronouns: she/her/hers

Disability Rights Washington
315 5th Avenue S, Suite 850 | Seattle, WA 98104

voice: 206.324.1521 or 800.562.2702 | fax: 206.957.0729
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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Mon Nov 26 17:56:41 2018
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2018 17:56:41 +0000
Subject: [blindlaw] University of Washington Tacoma Hiring legal pathways
 director
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From: washingtonattorneyswithdisabilitiesassociation at googlegroups.com [mailto:washingtonattorneyswithdisabilitiesassociation at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dana Klasky
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 9:31 AM
To: WashingtonAttorneyswithDisabilitiesAssociation at googlegroups.com
Subject: [WADA] UW Tacoma Hiring

The Legal Pathways Initiative at UW Tacoma is hiring for a new Director.  The Legal Pathways Program "seeks to unite students, faculty, staff and the Tacoma community in law-related education, research, events, networking and other programming that prepares students for success in law school and other law-related professions. A priority for this initiative is to contribute to enlarging the pathway into the legal professions for first generation students and students of color."

The position advertisement, with further information, is posted at: http://uwhires.admin.washington.edu/ENG/candidates/default.cfm?szCategory=jobprofile&jobhistory=1&szOrderID=162195.  The priority deadline for applications is December 15.

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(206) 402-5846
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From Vyingling at nfb.org  Thu Nov 29 19:23:04 2018
From: Vyingling at nfb.org (Yingling, Valerie)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 19:23:04 +0000
Subject: [blindlaw] Request from Mamadi Corra,
 American Association for the Advancement of Science fellow at the
 Federal Judicial Center
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NFB received the following request:

My name is Mamadi Corra, and I am an AAAS (American Association for the Advancement of Science) fellow at the Federal Judicial Center in Washington DC. I am working on a project to identify accessibility issues at the federal court level (barriers to access to federal courts), and possible recommendations to address such issues. I am also blind and I just moved to DC. I think my project would be enhanced by speaking with individuals who work with the federal judiciary (judges, lawyers, litigants, etc.), to ascertain difficulties they might have had/continue to have with accessing the federal courts (physical and electronic). Please email me directly if you can speak with me and/or offer suggestions. Thanks much in advance!

Mamadi K. Corra, Ph.D.
2018-19 American Association for the Advancement of Science Law & Science Judicial Fellow
Federal Judicial Center
Research Division
Thurgood Marshall Federal Judiciary Building
One Columbus Circle, NE
Washington, DC 20002-8003
(202) 502-4252
mcorra at fjc.gov<mailto:mcorra at fjc.gov>

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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Thu Nov 29 19:38:38 2018
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 19:38:38 +0000
Subject: [blindlaw] King County council Chief Legal Counsel
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From: Calderon, Tracy [mailto:Tracy.Calderon at kingcounty.gov]
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 3:39 PM
To: Conrad at wacda.com; stuarpix at microsoft.com; Nightingale, Noel
Subject: KCC- Chief Legal Counsel advertisement...
Importance: High

This position opens Friday. Please post this job announcement on your website and any publications your organization produces.  Please let me know if there is a fee associated with this posting.  I look forward to hearing back from you soon.  Thank you.


Tracy Calderon
Senior HR Business Partner
206-477-0979

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From jlynnbarrow at gmail.com  Fri Nov 30 00:52:51 2018
From: jlynnbarrow at gmail.com (Jen Barrow)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 19:52:51 -0500
Subject: [blindlaw] Fillable Government Forms and Screen Readers
Message-ID: <016601d48847$05e471e0$11ad55a0$@gmail.com>

Hi, All.  I recently started a new job in nonprofit immigration law.  I'm so
thrilled, except that I'm encountering some significant difficulty with
completing the gazillion different government forms involved in seeking
immigration status using JAWS.  I'm hoping that some of you who routinely
interact with unwieldy federal forms can share your tips and tricks with me.
I'm opening the fillable forms in Adobe Pro, and in theory, they should work
fine.  I can tab through the form, check boxes and input text.  However, the
user experience is awful.  For example, JAWS jumps around the form and reads
parts of the form that are not yet visible to sighted people-like #8 somehow
is showing up between #3 and #4 when navigating with JAWS.  In certain
fields, JAWS says "blank" even though I typed something in; sighted people
tell me text is inputted.  JAWS reads a lengthy paragraph of instructions
before each edit field-like it will read: lengthy paragraph first name edit.
These and other wonky behaviors render the more complex forms unusable.  I'm
not particularly tech savvy, so I'm not sure if the difficulty is with JAWS,
Adobe Pro or the construction of the form itself. or I suppose even user
incompetence.  There has to be a better way.  Does anyone have more success
opening fillable forms in another program, like Foxit?  Or perhaps using a
different screen reader?  Or hiring someone to write JAWS scripts?  I would
really appreciate any advice you can offer!

 

Thanks,

Jen