[blindlaw] [blindlaw editing comments with Jaws and Track Changes
Shannon Dillon
shannonldillon at gmail.com
Fri Apr 12 01:42:14 UTC 2019
I noticed the other day when I was trying to edit text in a comment, that it hi had The same problem as I do in footnotes. I can’t select words. As I press control shift right arrow, or shift right arrow, the word or character is selected and then and selected. So I can never select a block of text been deleted. I have to use the delete key by itself and go through to delete the whole comment. I was wondering if anyone else also has a problem getting into an already written comment to edit it. And do you have problems deleting comments? I have problems with both of these things. I can create a new comment. But I am an able to get into a comment I have written to edit it.
And I can’t always delete comments. When I do I’m not exactly sure how I was able to make it happen. It’s a total fluke.
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> On Dec 23, 2018, at 3:22 PM, Deepa Goraya via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> I experience this issue with PDFs as well.
>
> Deepinder K. Goraya, ESQ.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
> via BlindLaw
> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 9:58 AM
> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com>; tim at timeldermusic.com
> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Update on Jaws and Track Changes
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> 1. First of all, let me say how glad I am that this issue is getting the
> much-needed attention that it deserves. Until a few months ago, Freedom
> Scientific simply refused to acknowledge that the sporadic functioning of
> the virtual viewer for accessing a list of revisions was an issue which they
> could address. It was only after some of us reached out to them that we were
> able to move past the point where JAWS would simply say that there were no
> revisions in a document when the number of revisions exceeded 100. So I am
> confident that we will be able to get all outstanding issues resolved if we
> are able to make good the claim that the inaccessibility of track changes
> impacts a critical mass of blind people.
>
> 2. I echo the challenges that Laura voiced in using footnotes - the general
> sluggishness of JAWS, coupled with the fact that it is very difficult to
> edit them or to ascertain their number.
> 3. One significant issue which I have been grappling with for the last
> 3-4 months is the inaccessibility of PDF documents with JAWS - when used
> with Adobe Reader, JAWS throws you back by many pages if you try going up a
> line and doesn't enable you to read a document in a para-wise fashion. All
> that you can realistically do, except for using the OCR feature or
> converting the document into Word, is to use the say-all command or navigate
> the document line-by-line, both of which are highly inefficient ways to read
> a document. I reached out to Vispero about this, and they attributed the
> problem to Adobe. I have been communicating with Adobe accessibility team
> for the last month, but they haven't really taken this issue seriously, as
> it appears that not many people have reported the issue. So I wholeheartedly
> agree with Laura when she says that we need to act collectively on these
> issues, if we want to be taken seriously.
>
> I am happy to help in whatever way I can, including by way of supplying a
> sample document with many revisions in it.
>
> Best,
> Rahul
>
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>> On 19/12/2018, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Scott,
>>
>> I appreciate this so much. Please let me know if you'd like any
>> assistance. Regarding what to put in the letter, do other people also
>> have the experience, as I do, that Jaws will read both the original
>> and edited text when you're reading through a document? This didn't
>> used to happen to me, but now it does. I'm using Office 2016, Windows
>> 10, and hte latest version of Jaws. Additionally, I find that Jaws
>> doesn't always announce "revision" when it detects track changes. Can
>> others confirm? This has the end result that relying on the file's
>> contents rather than the generated list also does not give the user
>> accurate information unless he engages in rather cumbersome
>> character-by-character analysis.
>>
>> For the record, I did a bit more poking around on my file. I tried
>> hitting ctrl+end as Rahul suggested, and that actually turned out
>> fewer revisions. The list also only went to page 9 of a 25-page
>> document. It gave me 154 revisions, when there were probably closer
>> to 400, and of course, as always, absolutely no info from footnotes.
>>
>> If no one else is able to assist, I will attempt to generate a file
>> with a few hundred track changes for FS to work with. Perhaps this
>> could accompany the NABL letter.
>>
>> Laura
>>
>>> On 12/18/18, Scott C. LaBarre <slabarre at labarrelaw.com> wrote:
>>> Hello everyone, I've been following this thread with great interest
>>> and I am going to work on a letter from the National Association of
>>> Blind Lawyers to VFO about this issue and will likely also write
>>> MicroSoft. Let me also take this moment to wish all of you the very
>>> best of this holiday season.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Tim Elder
>>> via BlindLaw
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 5:01 PM
>>> To: 'Laura Wolk' <laura.wolk at gmail.com>
>>> Cc: tim at timeldermusic.com; 'Blind Law Mailing List'
>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Update on Jaws and Track Changes
>>>
>>> Understood. I forwarded this to a contact at Microsoft to see if
>>> they could do anything while we wait on whatever the developer of
>>> JAWS is calling itself these days. I've also been slowly learning
>>> NVDA to diversify my technology tools.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 6:25 PM
>>> To: tim at timeldermusic.com
>>> Cc: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Update on Jaws and Track Changes
>>>
>>> Nope. Not an option. And though 2010 didn't crash nearly as much as
>>> the newer versions, it still couldn't handle documents with more than
>>> a hundred or so revisions. Which, you know, is basically every round
>>> of editing a brief or large filing of any kind. Using 2010 was my
>>> work-around for 6 years. But I'm really getting fed up. It'd be great
>>> if we all colectively could put pressure on Jaws to actually give us
>>> the tools we need to succeed and be on equal footing with our peers.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Dec 17, 2018, at 8:05 PM, <tim at timeldermusic.com>
>>> <tim at timeldermusic.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Track changes in newly created Word documents still work reliably in
>>> Office 2010 if using an older machine for this kind of task is an option.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2018 11:22 AM
>>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: [blindlaw] Update on Jaws and Track Changes
>>>>
>>>> I'm providing an update to this topic, as it generated a lot of
>>>> traffic
>>> and I'd love to spare another lawyer the risk of relying on this
>>> $1,000 disappointment to his professional detriment.
>>>>
>>>> Jaws still does not announce the correct number of revisions.
>>>> Instead, after taking up to 30 or 45 seconds sometimes, it will
>>>> announce a
>>> much larger number that still isn't always accurate. This is
>>> actually worse than when it simply said there were no revisions to
>>> display, since we all knew that was incorrect. now it gives the
>>> false sense of security that you have, in fact, looked at every
>>> revision when there could be a hundred more that are not displaying
>>> that you haven't reviewed. note that though this isn't a terrible
>>> inconvenience when you are integrating all changes into one draft
>>> from only one document, it is a huge problem if you are receiving
>>> multiple streams of edits from multiple sources that you are trying
>>> to accept/reject and then compile into one final draft. So be
>>> forewarned, Jaws is sstill failing abysmally at providing us with the
>>> elementary tools needed in 2018 to maintain "Job access."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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