[blindlaw] [blindlaw editing comments with Jaws and Track Changes

Shannon Dillon shannonldillon at gmail.com
Tue Apr 16 15:54:27 UTC 2019 

I will check again today. I also turned on the voice changes to help identify changes in font  when I’m editing. Before I was just trying to use the braille display and insert F.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 12, 2019, at 5:51 PM, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> That's so strange, Shannon.  Mine still does it sporadically, but it's
> eons better than it was before this last patch.
> 
>> On 4/12/19, Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I am running the second most recent version and plan to upgrade in a few
>> weeks when I receive a new laptop from IT.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Shannon
>> Dillon via BlindLaw
>> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2019 6:55 PM
>> To: Blind Law Mailing List
>> Cc: Shannon Dillon
>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] [blindlaw editing comments with Jaws and Track
>> Changes
>> 
>> I am definitely running the most recent version of jaws. Since it’s the
>> first thing freedom scientific asks whenever you call Technical Support, I
>> make sure to keep mine updated.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 12, 2019, at 12:27 PM, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw
>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Are people who are still having this problem running the latest version of
>>> Jaws? The last update largely fixed this for me. By problem I mean Jaws
>>> reading both old and revised text.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 12, 2019, at 1:05 PM, Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw
>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I think that is one of the fundamental issues. It is intensely difficult
>>>> to differentiate between old and new text, not to mention when there is
>>>> an entire rainbow of revisions from multiple editors and co-counsel.
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Shannon
>>>> Dillon via BlindLaw
>>>> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2019 1:01 PM
>>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List
>>>> Cc: Shannon Dillon
>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] [blindlaw editing comments with Jaws and Track
>>>> Changes
>>>> 
>>>> When I am trying to read revisions in track changes, I also have
>>>> difficulty distinguishing which text has been deleted and which has been
>>>> added. It jumbles all the words together and I can’t tell what was
>>>> deleted or added. Or does someone have a workaround for that?
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 12, 2019, at 8:08 AM, Angela Matney via BlindLaw
>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Laura, my apologies. I was reading too fast. The issue I have with long
>>>>> comments and revisions is not the one described in #8. In the virtual
>>>>> viewer, JAWS will stop reading after a while. For comments, I have
>>>>> started creating plain-text versions of documents. The comments show up
>>>>> at the end, and I can read them that way.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Angela Matney
>>>>> via BlindLaw
>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2019 11:03 AM
>>>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Cc: Angela Matney <amatney at loeb.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] [blindlaw editing comments with Jaws and Track
>>>>> Changes
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Laura,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have the problem described in #8 with comments and revisions in the
>>>>> virtual viewer as well.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Angie
>>>>> 
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>>>>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Laura Wolk via
>>>>> BlindLaw
>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2019 9:24 AM
>>>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Cc: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] [blindlaw editing comments with Jaws and Track
>>>>> Changes
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Here are the issues about which VFO and Microsoft are aware and
>>>>> actively working on:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1. virtual viewer does not show more than approximately 150 revisions.
>>>>> Also impacts the list tracked change feature.
>>>>> 2. Jaws occasionally reading both the old and the revised text.
>>>>> 3. Revisions of footnotes don’t show up in virtual viewer at all.
>>>>> 4. Jaws becomes sluggish when editing footnotes, headers and footers,
>>>>> comments.
>>>>> 5. Inability to select text in footnotes, headers and footers, comment
>>>>> bubbles.
>>>>> 6. Always showing dots 7-8 in footnotes on a Braille display.
>>>>> 7. Braille cursor routing keys do not work correctly when editing
>>>>> footnotes.
>>>>> 8. If footnotes are long, Braille display will stop reading after a
>>>>> certain point.
>>>>> 9. Jaws will report a revision at the beginning of the line, rather
>>>>> than announcing the revision exactly where the revised text occurs.
>>>>> 10. Call numbers of footnotes not being read in the footnote pane.
>>>>> 11. When switching from show all mark-up to no-markup, hidden
>>>>> properties are still read, requiring a manual refresh.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Laura
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 4/12/19, Laura Wolk
>>>>>> <laura.wolk at gmail.com<mailto:laura.wolk at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> As I've said, the folks from VFO and Microsoft are now aware of the
>>>>>> editing
>>>>>> and sluggishness problems and have reproduced them. I am going to work
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> them on the beta test to make sure as many of these issues as possible
>>>>>> get
>>>>>> addressed in the next release. If you have the latest build of Jaws and
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> encountering problems that we have not discussed in this thread
>>>>>> already,
>>>>>> please let me know as soon as possible. Angie, I'll try to re-create
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> problem you just described when I get to work.
>>>>>> One thing I'll say is that, unsurprisingly, Microsoft is interested in
>>>>>> making their fixes beginning with the latest build. I think we will
>>>>>> probably need to be prepared to advocate for upgrades at our jobs.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Apr 12, 2019, at 8:42 AM, Angie Matney via BlindLaw
>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I have the same issues (or at least, most of them) with comments and
>>>>>>> footnotes. I have taken to composing comments in Notepad and then
>>>>>>> pasting
>>>>>>> them in. For some reason, if I have the document set to "print" view,
>>>>>>> pasting doesn't seem to work. This hasn't always been an issue, but
>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>> least with the last update of JAWS, if I try to add a comment while
>>>>>>> I'm in
>>>>>>> print view, the title bar will say "Revisions pane," the paste
>>>>>>> command
>>>>>>> will not work, and I end up with an empty comment in my document.
>>>>>>> Sometimes, I can edit and delete comments; sometimes, these menu
>>>>>>> options
>>>>>>> aren't available.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Angie
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Apr 11, 2019, at 10:01 PM, Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I have not experienced this. I can enter, edit, and remove comments
>>>>>>>> written by myself and by colleagues. I rely on the next and previous
>>>>>>>> buttons on the menu to navigate among comments. Once in the comment
>>>>>>>> pane,
>>>>>>>> I do notice that JAWS' performance seems inexplicably to slow down,
>>>>>>>> but I
>>>>>>>> can edit as I would usually do
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>>> Shannon
>>>>>>>> Dillon via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2019 9:42 PM
>>>>>>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List
>>>>>>>> Cc: Shannon Dillon
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] [blindlaw editing comments with Jaws and
>>>>>>>> Track
>>>>>>>> Changes
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I noticed the other day when I was trying to edit text in a comment,
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> it hi had The same problem as I do in footnotes. I can’t select
>>>>>>>> words. As
>>>>>>>> I press control shift right arrow, or shift right arrow, the word or
>>>>>>>> character is selected and then and selected. So I can never select a
>>>>>>>> block of text been deleted. I have to use the delete key by itself
>>>>>>>> and go
>>>>>>>> through to delete the whole comment. I was wondering if anyone else
>>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>>> has a problem getting into an already written comment to edit it. And
>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>> you have problems deleting comments? I have problems with both of
>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>> things. I can create a new comment. But I am an able to get into a
>>>>>>>> comment I have written to edit it.
>>>>>>>> And I can’t always delete comments. When I do I’m not exactly sure
>>>>>>>> how I
>>>>>>>> was able to make it happen. It’s a total fluke.
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Dec 23, 2018, at 3:22 PM, Deepa Goraya via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I experience this issue with PDFs as well.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Deepinder K. Goraya, ESQ.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>>>> Rahul
>>>>>>>>> Bajaj
>>>>>>>>> via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 9:58 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List
>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>
>>>>>>>>> Cc: Rahul Bajaj
>>>>>>>>> <rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com<mailto:rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com>>;
>>>>>>>>> tim at timeldermusic.com<mailto:tim at timeldermusic.com>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Update on Jaws and Track Changes
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 1. First of all, let me say how glad I am that this issue is
>>>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> much-needed attention that it deserves. Until a few months ago,
>>>>>>>>> Freedom
>>>>>>>>> Scientific simply refused to acknowledge that the sporadic
>>>>>>>>> functioning
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> the virtual viewer for accessing a list of revisions was an issue
>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>> could address. It was only after some of us reached out to them that
>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>> able to move past the point where JAWS would simply say that there
>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>> revisions in a document when the number of revisions exceeded 100.
>>>>>>>>> So I
>>>>>>>>> am
>>>>>>>>> confident that we will be able to get all outstanding issues
>>>>>>>>> resolved if
>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>> are able to make good the claim that the inaccessibility of track
>>>>>>>>> changes
>>>>>>>>> impacts a critical mass of blind people.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 2. I echo the challenges that Laura voiced in using footnotes - the
>>>>>>>>> general
>>>>>>>>> sluggishness of JAWS, coupled with the fact that it is very
>>>>>>>>> difficult
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> edit them or to ascertain their number.
>>>>>>>>> 3. One significant issue which I have been grappling with for the
>>>>>>>>> last
>>>>>>>>> 3-4 months is the inaccessibility of PDF documents with JAWS - when
>>>>>>>>> used
>>>>>>>>> with Adobe Reader, JAWS throws you back by many pages if you try
>>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>> up a
>>>>>>>>> line and doesn't enable you to read a document in a para-wise
>>>>>>>>> fashion.
>>>>>>>>> All
>>>>>>>>> that you can realistically do, except for using the OCR feature or
>>>>>>>>> converting the document into Word, is to use the say-all command or
>>>>>>>>> navigate
>>>>>>>>> the document line-by-line, both of which are highly inefficient ways
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> read
>>>>>>>>> a document. I reached out to Vispero about this, and they
>>>>>>>>> attributed
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> problem to Adobe. I have been communicating with Adobe
>>>>>>>>> accessibility
>>>>>>>>> team
>>>>>>>>> for the last month, but they haven't really taken this issue
>>>>>>>>> seriously,
>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>> it appears that not many people have reported the issue. So I
>>>>>>>>> wholeheartedly
>>>>>>>>> agree with Laura when she says that we need to act collectively on
>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>> issues, if we want to be taken seriously.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I am happy to help in whatever way I can, including by way of
>>>>>>>>> supplying
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> sample document with many revisions in it.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>> Rahul
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 19/12/2018, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Scott,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I appreciate this so much. Please let me know if you'd like any
>>>>>>>>>> assistance. Regarding what to put in the letter, do other people
>>>>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> have the experience, as I do, that Jaws will read both the
>>>>>>>>>> original
>>>>>>>>>> and edited text when you're reading through a document? This
>>>>>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>>>>>> used to happen to me, but now it does. I'm using Office 2016,
>>>>>>>>>> Windows
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 10, and hte latest version of Jaws. Additionally, I find that Jaws
>>>>>>>>>> doesn't always announce "revision" when it detects track changes.
>>>>>>>>>> Can
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> others confirm? This has the end result that relying on the file's
>>>>>>>>>> contents rather than the generated list also does not give the
>>>>>>>>>> user
>>>>>>>>>> accurate information unless he engages in rather cumbersome
>>>>>>>>>> character-by-character analysis.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> For the record, I did a bit more poking around on my file. I tried
>>>>>>>>>> hitting ctrl+end as Rahul suggested, and that actually turned out
>>>>>>>>>> fewer revisions. The list also only went to page 9 of a 25-page
>>>>>>>>>> document. It gave me 154 revisions, when there were probably
>>>>>>>>>> closer
>>>>>>>>>> to 400, and of course, as always, absolutely no info from
>>>>>>>>>> footnotes.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> If no one else is able to assist, I will attempt to generate a
>>>>>>>>>> file
>>>>>>>>>> with a few hundred track changes for FS to work with. Perhaps this
>>>>>>>>>> could accompany the NABL letter.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Laura
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/18/18, Scott C. LaBarre
>>>>>>>>>>> <slabarre at labarrelaw.com<mailto:slabarre at labarrelaw.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hello everyone, I've been following this thread with great
>>>>>>>>>>> interest
>>>>>>>>>>> and I am going to work on a letter from the National Association
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> Blind Lawyers to VFO about this issue and will likely also write
>>>>>>>>>>> MicroSoft. Let me also take this moment to wish all of you the
>>>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>>>>>>>> best of this holiday season.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Tim Elder
>>>>>>>>>>> via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 5:01 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: 'Laura Wolk'
>>>>>>>>>>> <laura.wolk at gmail.com<mailto:laura.wolk at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: tim at timeldermusic.com<mailto:tim at timeldermusic.com>; 'Blind
>>>>>>>>>>> Law Mailing List'
>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Update on Jaws and Track Changes
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Understood. I forwarded this to a contact at Microsoft to see if
>>>>>>>>>>> they could do anything while we wait on whatever the developer of
>>>>>>>>>>> JAWS is calling itself these days. I've also been slowly learning
>>>>>>>>>>> NVDA to diversify my technology tools.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: Laura Wolk
>>>>>>>>>>> <laura.wolk at gmail.com<mailto:laura.wolk at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 6:25 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: tim at timeldermusic.com<mailto:tim at timeldermusic.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Blind Law Mailing List
>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Update on Jaws and Track Changes
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Nope. Not an option. And though 2010 didn't crash nearly as much
>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>> the newer versions, it still couldn't handle documents with more
>>>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> a hundred or so revisions. Which, you know, is basically every
>>>>>>>>>>> round
>>>>>>>>>>> of editing a brief or large filing of any kind. Using 2010 was my
>>>>>>>>>>> work-around for 6 years. But I'm really getting fed up. It'd be
>>>>>>>>>>> great
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> if we all colectively could put pressure on Jaws to actually give
>>>>>>>>>>> us
>>>>>>>>>>> the tools we need to succeed and be on equal footing with our
>>>>>>>>>>> peers.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 17, 2018, at 8:05 PM,
>>>>>>>>>>>> <tim at timeldermusic.com<mailto:tim at timeldermusic.com>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <tim at timeldermusic.com<mailto:tim at timeldermusic.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Track changes in newly created Word documents still work reliably
>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> Office 2010 if using an older machine for this kind of task is an
>>>>>>>>>>> option.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Laura Wolk
>>>>>>>>>>>> <laura.wolk at gmail.com<mailto:laura.wolk at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2018 11:22 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List
>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [blindlaw] Update on Jaws and Track Changes
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm providing an update to this topic, as it generated a lot of
>>>>>>>>>>>> traffic
>>>>>>>>>>> and I'd love to spare another lawyer the risk of relying on this
>>>>>>>>>>> $1,000 disappointment to his professional detriment.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jaws still does not announce the correct number of revisions.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Instead, after taking up to 30 or 45 seconds sometimes, it will
>>>>>>>>>>>> announce a
>>>>>>>>>>> much larger number that still isn't always accurate. This is
>>>>>>>>>>> actually worse than when it simply said there were no revisions
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> display, since we all knew that was incorrect. now it gives the
>>>>>>>>>>> false sense of security that you have, in fact, looked at every
>>>>>>>>>>> revision when there could be a hundred more that are not
>>>>>>>>>>> displaying
>>>>>>>>>>> that you haven't reviewed. note that though this isn't a terrible
>>>>>>>>>>> inconvenience when you are integrating all changes into one draft
>>>>>>>>>>> from only one document, it is a huge problem if you are receiving
>>>>>>>>>>> multiple streams of edits from multiple sources that you are
>>>>>>>>>>> trying
>>>>>>>>>>> to accept/reject and then compile into one final draft. So be
>>>>>>>>>>> forewarned, Jaws is sstill failing abysmally at providing us with
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> elementary tools needed in 2018 to maintain "Job access."
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
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