[blindLaw] QRead or other options As a Substitute for Adobe Reader

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For that matter, if you have an iPhone or iPad, you can use Voice Dream Reader to read just about any file type including PDFs.


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From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Maura Kutnyak via BlindLaw
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Subject: Re: [blindLaw] QRead or other options As a Substitute for Adobe Reader

To loosely piggyback off of Bryan‘s message, I have been wondering, is anybody using Apple products to access PDFs? Generally speaking, I find Mac to do better as far as integrating speech software with other programs. Voiceover works quite well in most applications. I have a phone laptop and iPad which are apple products.

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Maura Kutnyak
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> On Aug 7, 2019, at 8:03 PM, Brian Unitt via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I have been having the same issues with JFW losing its place in Acrobat Reader, and installing the August update did not help. FineReader is a no-go for reading PDFs. I tried the demo of QRead but couldn't get the install to complete.
> 
> I am now running the demo of Foxit Phantom PDF, and it shows some promise.  I have tried several PDFs of various sizes, and so far don't have any problem with JFW losing its place in the document. A 300 page document opened almost instantly, compared to the minutes Acrobat takes.
> 
> There are still issues with stripping line numbers off pleadings, and not always showing page numbers. It is going to be a pretty steep learning curve as the program has a robust feature set, and a ribbon menu that is not all that friendly to JAWS (or maybe just to me) it's too soon to tell how useful it will be yet.
> 
> I will mention another alternative if you have an iPad is using VoiceDream Reader. I use it a lot because It allows for highlighting of text in PDFs and you can export the highlighted material to a text editor for quick reference or for pasting into briefs etc.
> 
> Brian
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Aser 
> Tolentino via BlindLaw
> Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2019 7:57 AM
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> Cc: Aser Tolentino <agtolentino at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] QRead As a Substitute for Adobe Reader
> 
> JAWS recently added support for Foxit Reader. I think QRead is great for reviewing larger PDFs, but its text extraction can be rather eccentric, and can really mangle things like tables. 
> 
> Respectfully,
> Aser Tolentino, Esq.
> 
>> On Aug 7, 2019, at 06:17, Kelby Carlson via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I have used the demo version of QRead and may get the full version 
>> at some point. I have been reasonably impressed with its performance; 
>> it definitely opens documents faster than Adobe.
>> 
>>> On 8/7/19, Robert Munro via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> I use PDF Pen on my Mac; unfortunately, they don’t make a windows version.
>>> Here are some suggestions they have for Windows users. The first one 
>>> is free, so it’s worth seeing how it works with JAWS.
>>> https://alternativeto.net/software/pdfpen/?platform=windows
>>> <https://alternativeto.net/software/pdfpen/?platform=windows>
>>> 
>>> Good luck.
>>> 
>>> Onward!
>>> Robert Munro
>>> r.g.munro at gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 6 Aug, 2019, at 11:16 PM, Rod Alcidonis via BlindLaw 
>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I use QRead and it is a good app but not a replacement for a more 
>>>> rebuts PDF application such as ABBYY. I process all of my OCR in 
>>>> ABBYY and convert the material into a Word doc for consumption.
>>>> 
>>>> QRead will not convert image-scanned PDF documents, but it is good 
>>>> with accessible PDf-formatted  manuals and alike.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Rod Alcidonis, Esq.
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 10:01 AM
>>>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org <mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Rahul Bajaj
>>>> Subject: [blindLaw] QRead As a Substitute for Adobe Reader
>>>> 
>>>> Hi All,
>>>> 
>>>> So it turns out that ABBYY Fine Reader does not work as a viable 
>>>> substitute for Adobe Reader to read PDF documents as such. JAWS 
>>>> simply refuses to interact with the document if you open it in 
>>>> ABBYY
>>>> - Amar has confirmed this finding as well.
>>>> 
>>>> When I had posted a question about the problems attending the 
>>>> navigation of PDF documents with JAWS last year, Derek, in the 
>>>> email below, alluded to an app called QRead which costs around $30. 
>>>> I am wondering if others here have used this application and have 
>>>> found it to be a viable substitute for Adobe Reader. Specifically, 
>>>> I am wondering if it enables you to smoothly read PDFs in para-wise 
>>>> form and if JAWS does not lose focus while reading the document. If 
>>>> it is a viable substitute, I will purchase it.
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> Rahul
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> From: Derek Dittmar <derekjdittmar at gmail.com>
>>>> Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2018 12:58:05 -0500
>>>> Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Reading PDFs with JAWS has become 
>>>> infeasible
>>>> To: Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com>
>>>> 
>>>> Rahul,
>>>> I hope this e-mail finds you well. As a third year law student, I 
>>>> primarily use a small application from an indi blind developer 
>>>> called QRead.
>>>> https://q-continuum.net/qread/
>>>> Most of my use of PDFs involves working through assigned readings 
>>>> in electronic textbooks. I know that QRead does not allow for 
>>>> editing within pdfs. However, if all you need is a relatively 
>>>> inexpensive (I think it was $30) pdf reader with good JAWs 
>>>> accessibility, then I think it might work.
>>>> As a  note, I am still using JAWS 16 (ugh). Also, I learned about 
>>>> QRead from a personal friend who was (and maybe is) working with 
>>>> the developer for marketing. However, I haven't consulted with her 
>>>> in sending you this e-mail, and by no means do I get any sort of 
>>>> benefit from recommending the application. I will tell you that I'm 
>>>> working on an LL.M. right now, and have about twelve PDFs open in 
>>>> the application
>>>> -- several law review articles and a few multi-hundred page 
>>>> textbooks
>>>> -- and it is working just fine.
>>>> 
>>>>> On 11/10/18, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have JAWSb 2018 and acrobat dc. Jaws keeps automatically jumping 
>>>>> up and down in PDFs when you select 'read entire document'.
>>>>> Control+up and down arrows also doesn't work for para-wise navigation; jaws says blank.
>>>>> Finally,
>>>>> even ctrl+shift+n works sporadically.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have spoken with VFO. They say that the first 2 problems, at 
>>>>> least, have been widely reported in recent weeks. I am using OCR 
>>>>> and word versions as ad hoc measures. Do others have any ideas, or 
>>>>> can they report this to FS or Adobe if they are facing it?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Rahul
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> --
>>>> Rahul Bajaj
>>>> Candidate for the BCL
>>>> Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018) University of Oxford
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