From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Tue Jul 2 21:44:24 2019 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 21:44:24 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] Attorney and Advocate positions at Northwest Immigrants rights Project Message-ID: From: Vanessa Gutierrez Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 10:08 AM To: ATJ Community Subject: [atj-community] Attorney and Advocate positions at NWIRP Hi All, Northwest Immigrant Rights Project is looking for candidates to fill several attorney and advocate positions across the state, in our Seattle, Tacoma, and Wenatchee offices. Please help us spread the word to those who might be interested. The job postings are attached. Thank you, Vanessa G. Gutierrez Directing Attorney | Northwest Immigrant Rights Project 620 North Emerson Avenue Suite 201 | Wenatchee WA 98801 206.957.8698 (direct) | 509.765.9714 (fax) | vanessa at nwirp.org --- You are currently subscribed to atj-community as: daquiz.abigail at dol.gov. 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You should consider the reception food as a snack as opposed to a full meal opportunity. Because we are ending earlier, you can have a few drinks, a bite to eat, and then make your way to one of the dozens of restaurants in the hotel or the plethora outside. For those coming to the Convention, I wish you safe travels. For those who are not, we will raise a toast in your honor. Cheers! Scott AGENDA NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND LAWYERS 2019 ANNUAL MEETING ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Tuesday, July 9, 2019 Tropics B Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino Las Vegas, Nevada 12:55 p.m. WELCOME AND MEETING LOGISTICS Scott C. LaBarre, President, NABL, Centennial, CO 1:00 p.m. ACCESSIBILITY INITIATIVES AT THE LAW SCHOOL ADMISSIONS COUNCIL Leanne M. Shank, Senior Vice President for Legal and Corporate Affairs, LSAC, Newtown, Pa ; Troy Lowry, Senior Vice President of Technology Products and Chief Information Officer/Chief Information Security Officer, LSAC, Newton Pa; Michele Goldberg, Manager of Accommodated Testing, LSAC, Newtown, PA; Boutros AbiChedid, Accessibility Lead, LSAC, Newton, PA 1:40 p.m. MAKING MICROSOFT WORD ACCESSIBLE FOR BLIND LAWYERS Jenny Lay-Flurrie, Chief Accessibility Officer, Microsoft, Redmond, WA; Eric Damery, Vice President Software Product Management, Vispero, Clearwater, FL 2:10 p.m. CIVIL RIGHTS AND THE SHARING ECONOMY Michael W. Bien, Partner, Rosen Bien Galvan & Grunfeld, San Francisco, CA; Timothy R. Elder, TRE Legal, Freemont, CA 2:50 p.m. THE 21ST-CENTURY COMMUNICATIONS & VIDEO ACCESSIBILITY ACT Michal Nowicki, Marashlian & Donahue, PLLC, Chicago, IL 3:20 p.m. SURVEYING PARENTAL RIGHTS LAWS PROTECTING BLIND PARENTS Scott LaBarre, LaBarre Law Offices P.C., Centennial, CO; Assemblywoman Lesley Cohen, Las Vegas, NV 3:45 p.m. LEARN ABOUT THE UNITED STATES COMMISSION ON CIVIL RIGHTS David Kladney, Commissioner, U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, Las Vegas, NV 4:00 pm ELECTIONS AND GENERAL BUSINESS 4:10 pm BREAK TO SET ROOM FOR RECEPTION 4:30 to 5:30 p.m. ANNUAL NABL RECEPTION (ticketed event) Join us for cocktails and hors d'oeuvres as we celebrate the progress of our organization. Network and meet your fellow blind attorneys and legal professionals. From slabarre at labarrelaw.com Fri Jul 5 14:23:27 2019 From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 08:23:27 -0600 Subject: [blindLaw] FW: Attorney and Legal Internship Vacancies at the U.S. Department of Justice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <022601d5333d$36f19000$a4d4b000$@labarrelaw.com> fyi From: DOJlawjobs (OARM) Sent: Friday, July 5, 2019 6:58 AM To: Undisclosed recipients: Subject: Attorney and Legal Internship Vacancies at the U.S. Department of Justice Below is a list of current attorney and legal internship vacancies at the U.S. Department of Justice. The Department of Justice office places a high value on diversity of experiences and perspectives and encourages applications from all qualified men and women from all ethnic and racial backgrounds, veterans, LGBT individuals, and persons with disabilities. We welcome applications from candidates who are interested in positively contributing to Justice and hope that you will consider joining the dedicated public servants at the Department of Justice. 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LaBarre, President, NABL, Centennial, CO 1:00 p.m. ACCESSIBILITY INITIATIVES AT THE LAW SCHOOL ADMISSIONS COUNCIL Leanne M. Shank, Senior Vice President for Legal and Corporate Affairs, LSAC, Newtown, Pa ; Troy Lowry, Senior Vice President of Technology Products and Chief Information Officer/Chief Information Security Officer, LSAC, Newton Pa; Michele Goldberg, Manager of Accommodated Testing, LSAC, Newtown, PA; Boutros AbiChedid, Accessibility Lead, LSAC, Newton, PA 1:40 p.m. MAKING MICROSOFT WORD ACCESSIBLE FOR BLIND LAWYERS Jenny Lay-Flurrie, Chief Accessibility Officer, Microsoft, Redmond, WA; Eric Damery, Vice President Software Product Management, Vispero, Clearwater, FL 2:10 p.m. CIVIL RIGHTS AND THE SHARING ECONOMY Michael W. Bien, Partner, Rosen Bien Galvan & Grunfeld, San Francisco, CA; Timothy R. Elder, TRE Legal, Freemont, CA 2:50 p.m. THE 21ST-CENTURY COMMUNICATIONS & VIDEO ACCESSIBILITY ACT Michal Nowicki, Marashlian & Donahue, PLLC, Chicago, IL 3:20 p.m. SURVEYING PARENTAL RIGHTS LAWS PROTECTING BLIND PARENTS Scott LaBarre, LaBarre Law Offices P.C., Centennial, CO; Assemblywoman Lesley Cohen, Las Vegas, NV 3:45 p.m. LEARN ABOUT THE UNITED STATES COMMISSION ON CIVIL RIGHTS David Kladney, Commissioner, U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, Las Vegas, NV 4:00 pm ELECTIONS AND GENERAL BUSINESS 4:10 pm BREAK TO SET ROOM FOR RECEPTION 4:30 to 5:30 p.m. ANNUAL NABL RECEPTION (ticketed event) Join us for cocktails and hors d'oeuvres as we celebrate the progress of our organization. Network and meet your fellow blind attorneys and legal professionals. From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com Thu Jul 11 06:51:09 2019 From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 07:51:09 +0100 Subject: [blindLaw] Extra time for law exams Message-ID: <75737B14-14CE-472C-9034-BD6A15AF69F0@gmail.com> Hi All, I am wondering how much extra time you normally ask for for law exams and actually require. I gave my exams on the computer for the first time this year in a set of postgraduate exams and was offered 100% extra and took it. I did not have a realistic assessment at the time of how much I would need, not having given exams in this fashion before. I realized later, however, that perhaps 1-third extra would have sufficed, at least for 3 out of 4 exams. In such a situation, do you think one should voluntarily relinquish the unneeded extra time, so as to be assessed on the same terms as your ablebodied counterparts? I tried to put a self-imposed time limit below the 100% extra time but ended up not really being able to adhere to it, as it was not a serious deadline. Further, part of the reason why I took 100% extra was because I was afraid there’d be a tech breakdown - this had happened the year before and also because I was given a keyboard with a layout radically different from my own for the exam. I suppose that concern can be addressed by asking the examiners to make it clear in the adjustment instructions that the clock will be tolled whenever there is a tech problem. Best, Rahul Sent from my iPhone From howardadelsberg at gmail.com Fri Jul 12 01:30:08 2019 From: howardadelsberg at gmail.com (Howard Adelsberg) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 21:30:08 -0400 Subject: [blindLaw] Extra time for law exams In-Reply-To: <75737B14-14CE-472C-9034-BD6A15AF69F0@gmail.com> References: <75737B14-14CE-472C-9034-BD6A15AF69F0@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7B5004FB-6452-486D-B455-025C8D628B44@gmail.com> I had to take the multistate professional responsibility exam recently and I purposely asked for 100% time. You don’t have to use all your time but at least have the option > On Jul 11, 2019, at 2:51 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw wrote: > > Hi All, > > I am wondering how much extra time you normally ask for for law exams and actually require. I gave my exams on the computer for the first time this year in a set of postgraduate exams and was offered 100% extra and took it. I did not have a realistic assessment at the time of how much I would need, not having given exams in this fashion before. > > I realized later, however, that perhaps 1-third extra would have sufficed, at least for 3 out of 4 exams. In such a situation, do you think one should voluntarily relinquish the unneeded extra time, so as to be assessed on the same terms as your ablebodied counterparts? I tried to put a self-imposed time limit below the 100% extra time but ended up not really being able to adhere to it, as it was not a serious deadline. Further, part of the reason why I took 100% extra was because I was afraid there’d be a tech breakdown - this had happened the year before and also because I was given a keyboard with a layout radically different from my own for the exam. > > I suppose that concern can be addressed by asking the examiners to make it clear in the adjustment instructions that the clock will be tolled whenever there is a tech problem. > > Best, > Rahul > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/howardadelsberg%40gmail.com From kelbycarlson at gmail.com Sat Jul 13 12:01:02 2019 From: kelbycarlson at gmail.com (kelby carlson) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 08:01:02 -0400 Subject: [blindLaw] Extra time for law exams In-Reply-To: <7B5004FB-6452-486D-B455-025C8D628B44@gmail.com> References: <75737B14-14CE-472C-9034-BD6A15AF69F0@gmail.com> <7B5004FB-6452-486D-B455-025C8D628B44@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4BE42811-28E1-45FC-9CDF-7405CA5A5A67@gmail.com> Typically I ask for 50% time. That has been more than enough. I did have a technological issue once, and thankfully the school recognized it and stopped the clock. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 11, 2019, at 9:30 PM, Howard Adelsberg via BlindLaw wrote: > > I had to take the multistate professional responsibility exam recently and I purposely asked for 100% time. You don’t have to use all your time but at least have the option > >> On Jul 11, 2019, at 2:51 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> >> I am wondering how much extra time you normally ask for for law exams and actually require. I gave my exams on the computer for the first time this year in a set of postgraduate exams and was offered 100% extra and took it. I did not have a realistic assessment at the time of how much I would need, not having given exams in this fashion before. >> >> I realized later, however, that perhaps 1-third extra would have sufficed, at least for 3 out of 4 exams. In such a situation, do you think one should voluntarily relinquish the unneeded extra time, so as to be assessed on the same terms as your ablebodied counterparts? I tried to put a self-imposed time limit below the 100% extra time but ended up not really being able to adhere to it, as it was not a serious deadline. Further, part of the reason why I took 100% extra was because I was afraid there’d be a tech breakdown - this had happened the year before and also because I was given a keyboard with a layout radically different from my own for the exam. >> >> I suppose that concern can be addressed by asking the examiners to make it clear in the adjustment instructions that the clock will be tolled whenever there is a tech problem. >> >> Best, >> Rahul >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/howardadelsberg%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40gmail.com From awildheir at gmail.com Sat Jul 13 15:42:26 2019 From: awildheir at gmail.com (Aimee Harwood) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 11:42:26 -0400 Subject: [blindLaw] Extra time for law exams In-Reply-To: <4BE42811-28E1-45FC-9CDF-7405CA5A5A67@gmail.com> References: <75737B14-14CE-472C-9034-BD6A15AF69F0@gmail.com> <7B5004FB-6452-486D-B455-025C8D628B44@gmail.com> <4BE42811-28E1-45FC-9CDF-7405CA5A5A67@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9011EBCA-AB55-47C7-A714-93F9D0593E49@gmail.com> My school did not care the least bit about technical issues. They did not take that into consideration for anything. Take the time. If you find down the road you will need more time for the bar or any other exam such as that, you will have a hard time getting it if you can't show it being given previously. Aimee Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:01 AM, kelby carlson via BlindLaw wrote: > > Typically I ask for 50% time. That has been more than enough. I did have a technological issue once, and thankfully the school recognized it and stopped the clock. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 11, 2019, at 9:30 PM, Howard Adelsberg via BlindLaw wrote: >> >> I had to take the multistate professional responsibility exam recently and I purposely asked for 100% time. You don’t have to use all your time but at least have the option >> >>> On Jul 11, 2019, at 2:51 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw wrote: >>> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> I am wondering how much extra time you normally ask for for law exams and actually require. I gave my exams on the computer for the first time this year in a set of postgraduate exams and was offered 100% extra and took it. I did not have a realistic assessment at the time of how much I would need, not having given exams in this fashion before. >>> >>> I realized later, however, that perhaps 1-third extra would have sufficed, at least for 3 out of 4 exams. In such a situation, do you think one should voluntarily relinquish the unneeded extra time, so as to be assessed on the same terms as your ablebodied counterparts? I tried to put a self-imposed time limit below the 100% extra time but ended up not really being able to adhere to it, as it was not a serious deadline. Further, part of the reason why I took 100% extra was because I was afraid there’d be a tech breakdown - this had happened the year before and also because I was given a keyboard with a layout radically different from my own for the exam. >>> >>> I suppose that concern can be addressed by asking the examiners to make it clear in the adjustment instructions that the clock will be tolled whenever there is a tech problem. >>> >>> Best, >>> Rahul >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/howardadelsberg%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/awildheir%40gmail.com From nijat1989 at gmail.com Mon Jul 15 15:51:56 2019 From: nijat1989 at gmail.com (Nijat Worley) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 10:51:56 -0500 Subject: [blindLaw] Excellent seminar and Mock Trial Message-ID: Mr. LaBarre, I just wanted to let you know that you put together another excellent lawyers division seminar and Mock Trial. I learned a great deal at the division seminar and reception. It was really good to see LSAC at the seminar. I remember when I was getting ready to take the LSAT just a few years ago, I had to fight hard to get all the accommodations I needed. I also think that was one of the best Mock Trials we have had in a while. Thank you for your hard work and dedication. -- Nijat Worley J.D. Twitter: @nijatworley From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Mon Jul 15 17:13:42 2019 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 17:13:42 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] ACLU-WA is hiring two attorneys In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ________________________________ From: Emily Chiang Sent: Friday, July 12, 2019 1:13:10 PM To: ATJ Community Subject: [atj-community] ACLU-WA is hiring two attorneys Apologies for any cross posting, but we are hiring for two full-time permanent attorney positions and would be ever so grateful if you could share the attached postings with your networks!! I’d also be more than happy to answer any questions folks might have… Thank you all so much for the work you do, Emily Emily Chiang Legal Director, ACLU of Washington Foundation 901 Fifth Avenue, Suite 630 Seattle, WA 98164 206 624-2184 x221 echiang at aclu-wa.org --- You are currently subscribed to atj-community as: daquiz.abigail at dol.gov. To access web features of this list, visit list.wsba.org/read/ Please send an email to the list administrator to update the list administrator with changes to your email address. -- -- You received this message because you are a federal agency attorney and subscribed to the FANGS group. To SEND A MESSAGE to this group, email to fangseattle at googlegroups.com. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this group, email fangseattle+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com. 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Name: ACLU-WA Staff Attorney 2019.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 179113 bytes Desc: ACLU-WA Staff Attorney 2019.pdf URL: From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Mon Jul 15 20:14:29 2019 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 20:14:29 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] FW: Job Opportunity - please share- King County Washington real property attorney Message-ID: From: Stephanie Sato Sent: Tuesday, July 9, 2019 9:42 AM To: Diversity Stakeholders Subject: [diversity-stakeholders] Job Opportunity - please share The King County Prosecuting Attorney's Office seeks an experienced real property attorney to join the Transportation and Real Property Section of its Civil Division. If you seek challenging, meaningful work and a chance to "give back" to your community while working in a collegial office and maintaining a healthy work-life balance, this opportunity may be for you. Our work literally shapes the physical, natural, and social environment in which we reside. As the in-house law firm for County government, the Civil Division collaborates with client agencies to develop, fund, deliver, manage, and defend public projects, legislation, and initiatives that affect every aspect of civil society How will this impact my career and how fast can I grow? The attorney selected for this position can expect to interact with decision-makers at the highest levels of County, city, and regional government. In this practice, a motivated individual may quickly assume primary responsibility for client advising and transactional work on a wide range of complex and meaningful high-value projects. What does a day in the life of a Transportation & Real Property Section attorney look like? On any given day, this attorney may draft agreements for a broad range of dynamic real estate projects on behalf of the County agencies that operate critical elements of the region's transportation infrastructure, including Metro Transit, County roads, the King County International Airport, and the West Seattle water taxi and Vashon foot ferry. This attorney may advise other agencies on projects or proposals for: Transit-oriented affordable housing; new public health facilities; acquisition or development of open space, park facilities, or regional trails; or online sales of tax-title property. In addition, this attorney can expect to advise on a wide range of other municipal, environmental, and constitutional law issues. On occasion, this attorney can expect to handle or team on litigation relating to the County's transportation agencies or County real estate matters. Work Location: 4th floor, King County Courthouse in downtown Seattle close to Pioneer Square, the International District, as well as Centurylink Field and T-Mobile Park. Qualifications: We are looking for a friendly, self-directed human with a law degree who is calm under pressure and can balance a variety of competing priorities. Applicants should have a track record of using strong interpersonal communication and negotiation skills to help clients address complex legal issues. Applicants should be able to maintain a sense of humor and a broad perspective while working with clients, colleagues, and opposing counsel to find practical legal solutions to difficult business and policy challenges. Applicants must have a commitment to equity and social justice work, including ongoing cultural competence development. Applicants' legal experience should include five or more years of work in complex real estate transactions. Significant experience with redevelopment of contaminated properties is a plus. An applicant must be a U.S. Citizen, must be Washington State Bar qualified at the time of application, and must submit to a criminal history check. Salary Range - $ 103,593 - $ 133,162 DOE Benefits Package: The County offers an excellent benefits package including employee and dependent coverage for Medical, Dental and Vision at no cost to the employee. Employees also receive life insurance, long term disability and accidental death and dismemberment insurance. Employees are members of the Washington State Retirement System. Employees accrue vacation days and actually use them. Other benefits are available, including deferred compensation and flexible spending accounts, for interested employees. The Prosecuting Attorney's Office pays Bar dues and the cost of CLE credits. Application Materials: Please submit a letter of interest, resume, and writing sample no later than the close of business on Monday July 22, 2019, to Members of the Hiring Committee c/o Stephanie Sato, Human Resources, W400 King County Courthouse, 516 - 3rd Ave., Seattle, WA 98104. EOE. If an applicant advances through the hiring process, they will also be asked to provide references. Stephanie Sato - she/her Sr. Deputy Prosecuting Attorney | Human Resources King County Prosecuting Attorney's Office Desk: (206) 477-1078 | Work Cell: (206) 327-0533 Email: Stephanie.Sato at kingcounty.gov "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." * Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. **This e-mail and related attachments and any responses may be subject to public disclosure under state law. --- You are currently subscribed to diversity-stakeholders as: noel.nightingale at ed.gov. 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OK, so the first thing I’d figure I ask is how do you handle discovery for those of you who are already employed? I understand how e-discovery would be doable as long as the software is accessible, but what about when e-discovery is not available? Thanks, Jorge From paezja at mail.broward.edu Tue Jul 16 08:26:17 2019 From: paezja at mail.broward.edu (Jorge Paez) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 08:26:17 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] Big law firm jobs Message-ID: <6FAFBD78-0B49-4BCF-802E-2F8E54F26187@mail.broward.edu> Hello everyone: Just wondering if there are any lawyers here in corporate law, specially at a big law firm? (100+ attorneys.) I’m just curious how you handle the workload in terms of cases etc. I understand a lot of stuff is electronic but I’m also well aware of how many offices are still way behind when it comes to making the workplace digital across the board. Thanks, Jorge From paezja at mail.broward.edu Tue Jul 16 08:30:25 2019 From: paezja at mail.broward.edu (Jorge Paez) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 08:30:25 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] physical evidence handling question Message-ID: Hi everyone: This question is for anyone on here who is in the criminal field, regardless of which side you’re on. How do you handle physical evidence during discovery? I’m thinking specially of visual things like finger prints, etc, that may be very sensitive and could not be labeled or touched without gloves, etc. basically things that are not papers and the like. Thanks, Jorge From NSingh at cov.com Tue Jul 16 12:45:26 2019 From: NSingh at cov.com (Singh, Nandini) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 12:45:26 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] Big law firm jobs In-Reply-To: <6FAFBD78-0B49-4BCF-802E-2F8E54F26187@mail.broward.edu> References: <6FAFBD78-0B49-4BCF-802E-2F8E54F26187@mail.broward.edu> Message-ID: <638fd7e9a57944ac8f0aef7ba0447e22@CBIvEX02eUS.cov.com> I work in big law in white collar criminal defense. My firm has about 600 attorneys at my office location. Most things are electronic. The harder issue is handling third-party software, whether e-discovery or the like, that is accessible with JAWS. I have bridged the gap by using legal secretaries, paralegals, and support staff while working with IT to make whatever software we use in-house accessible. Feel free to reach me off list if you want to chat more. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Jorge Paez via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2019 4:26 AM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Cc: Jorge Paez Subject: [blindLaw] Big law firm jobs Hello everyone: Just wondering if there are any lawyers here in corporate law, specially at a big law firm? (100+ attorneys.) I’m just curious how you handle the workload in terms of cases etc. I understand a lot of stuff is electronic but I’m also well aware of how many offices are still way behind when it comes to making the workplace digital across the board. Thanks, Jorge _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/nsingh%40cov.com From amarjain at amarjain.com Tue Jul 16 13:09:55 2019 From: amarjain at amarjain.com (Amar Jain) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 18:39:55 +0530 Subject: [blindLaw] Big law firm jobs In-Reply-To: <638fd7e9a57944ac8f0aef7ba0447e22@CBIvEX02eUS.cov.com> References: <6FAFBD78-0B49-4BCF-802E-2F8E54F26187@mail.broward.edu> <638fd7e9a57944ac8f0aef7ba0447e22@CBIvEX02eUS.cov.com> Message-ID: <6CD1BF10-9072-474C-996F-FA77DA3CE423@amarjain.com> Hi Jorge, I am working in India with a most reputed law firm, in capital markets which in itself is diligence heavy. If you purely need inputs from corporate lawyer and law firm perspective, then happy to talk. Unlike US, we have zeero implementation on accessibility and reasonable accommodation. Regards, Amar Jain Sent from my iPhone > On 16-Jul-2019, at 6:15 PM, Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw wrote: > > I work in big law in white collar criminal defense. My firm has about 600 attorneys at my office location. Most things are electronic. The harder issue is handling third-party software, whether e-discovery or the like, that is accessible with JAWS. I have bridged the gap by using legal secretaries, paralegals, and support staff while working with IT to make whatever software we use in-house accessible. Feel free to reach me off list if you want to chat more. > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Jorge Paez via BlindLaw > Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2019 4:26 AM > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Cc: Jorge Paez > Subject: [blindLaw] Big law firm jobs > > Hello everyone: > Just wondering if there are any lawyers here in corporate law, specially at a big law firm? (100+ attorneys.) I’m just curious how you handle the workload in terms of cases etc. > I understand a lot of stuff is electronic but I’m also well aware of how many offices are still way behind when it comes to making the workplace digital across the board. > > > Thanks, > > Jorge > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/nsingh%40cov.com > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/amarjain%40amarjain.com From rfarber at jw.com Tue Jul 16 13:47:43 2019 From: rfarber at jw.com (Farber, Randy) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 13:47:43 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] Big law firm jobs In-Reply-To: <6FAFBD78-0B49-4BCF-802E-2F8E54F26187@mail.broward.edu> References: <6FAFBD78-0B49-4BCF-802E-2F8E54F26187@mail.broward.edu> Message-ID: Jorge - I am in transactionsactional law. You can contact me off list. My office number is 713-752-4241. Randy Farber -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Jorge Paez via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2019 3:26 AM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Cc: Jorge Paez Subject: [blindLaw] Big law firm jobs **RECEIVED FROM EXTERNAL SENDER – USE CAUTION** Hello everyone: Just wondering if there are any lawyers here in corporate law, specially at a big law firm? (100+ attorneys.) I’m just curious how you handle the workload in terms of cases etc. I understand a lot of stuff is electronic but I’m also well aware of how many offices are still way behind when it comes to making the workplace digital across the board. Thanks, Jorge _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rfarber%40jw.com From paezja at mail.broward.edu Thu Jul 18 15:19:59 2019 From: paezja at mail.broward.edu (Jorge Paez) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 15:19:59 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] Big law firm jobs In-Reply-To: References: <6FAFBD78-0B49-4BCF-802E-2F8E54F26187@mail.broward.edu> Message-ID: <792EA28A-143C-4AA6-A75E-261FF88EB0C9@mail.broward.edu> Thank you so much for all your replies. Can you please email me off list? I tried emailing all of you off list but for whatever reason I can’t get past the Blind law email address to see actual email addresses. Jorge > On Jul 16, 2019, at 9:47 AM, Farber, Randy via BlindLaw wrote: > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside of Broward College. DO NOT click links or open attachments unless are expecting the information and you recognize the sender. > ________________________________ > > Jorge - I am in transactionsactional law. You can contact me off list. My office number is 713-752-4241. > > Randy Farber > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Jorge Paez via BlindLaw > Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2019 3:26 AM > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Cc: Jorge Paez > Subject: [blindLaw] Big law firm jobs > > **RECEIVED FROM EXTERNAL SENDER – USE CAUTION** > > Hello everyone: > Just wondering if there are any lawyers here in corporate law, specially at a big law firm? (100+ attorneys.) > I’m just curious how you handle the workload in terms of cases etc. > I understand a lot of stuff is electronic but I’m also well aware of how many offices are still way behind when it comes to making the workplace digital across the board. > > > Thanks, > > Jorge > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fblindlaw_nfbnet.org&data=02%7C01%7Cpaezja%40mail.broward.edu%7C8e88757fa9ce4385993b08d709f488ab%7C7bd8e62933bc43c4870ccd3841be1658%7C0%7C0%7C636988818176199125&sdata=67F1npJnCQO%2BQNXlrx5G1OxsmXuoDB7NcrPhLJlqTyc%3D&reserved=0= > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Fblindlaw_nfbnet.org%2Frfarber%2540jw.com&data=02%7C01%7Cpaezja%40mail.broward.edu%7C8e88757fa9ce4385993b08d709f488ab%7C7bd8e62933bc43c4870ccd3841be1658%7C0%7C0%7C636988818176199125&sdata=uXkWmn%2FWeBbigZRizxf%2F2ATLHdqL9QC%2B68XzysMuo3U%3D&reserved=0= > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fblindlaw_nfbnet.org&data=02%7C01%7Cpaezja%40mail.broward.edu%7C8e88757fa9ce4385993b08d709f488ab%7C7bd8e62933bc43c4870ccd3841be1658%7C0%7C0%7C636988818176199125&sdata=67F1npJnCQO%2BQNXlrx5G1OxsmXuoDB7NcrPhLJlqTyc%3D&reserved=0= > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Fblindlaw_nfbnet.org%2Fpaezja%2540mail.broward.edu&data=02%7C01%7Cpaezja%40mail.broward.edu%7C8e88757fa9ce4385993b08d709f488ab%7C7bd8e62933bc43c4870ccd3841be1658%7C0%7C0%7C636988818176199125&sdata=xUgraN%2Bv6Na0rqE89wFT33u2J5BENzNwrx0f%2FjbXVRI%3D&reserved=0= From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Thu Jul 18 16:00:19 2019 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 16:00:19 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] U.S. Department of Education's Office For Civil Rights: Vacancy Announcement for General Attorney, GS-0905-11/12 FPL: 13 in Dallas, Kansas City & San Francisco Office Message-ID: See below the link for OCR USAJOBS vacancy announcements for an General Attorney, GS-0905-11/12 FPL: 13 in Dallas, Kansas City & San Francisco Regional Office. 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I’m asking because I’m following the Terronose story, where the founder supposedly committed fraud, yet she’s being charged only with conspiracy to commit fraud and not fraud itself, while her VP is being charged with fraud. Thanks, Jorge From sbg at sbgaal.com Sun Jul 21 22:49:39 2019 From: sbg at sbgaal.com (Shannon) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 17:49:39 -0500 Subject: [blindLaw] Question for criminal law attorneys In-Reply-To: <4D04B83F-AC98-440B-9432-2B63D06CDE7F@mail.broward.edu> References: <4D04B83F-AC98-440B-9432-2B63D06CDE7F@mail.broward.edu> Message-ID: <001401d54016$94b70c20$be252460$@sbgaal.com> Conspiracy involves an agreement to commit the act in this case fraud; charge of fraud without conspiracy is that you committed the act. Sincerely, Shannon Brady Geihsler Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC 1001 Main St., Suite 803 Lubbock, Texas 79401 Office: (806) 763-3999 Mobile: (806) 781-9296 Fax: (806) 749-3752 E-Mail: sbg at sbgaal.com This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged and/or attorney work product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, reliance or distribution by others or forwarding without express permission is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete all copies. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jorge Paez via BlindLaw Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 2:41 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Jorge Paez Subject: [blindLaw] Question for criminal law attorneys Hello. Can someone please explain the difference between conspiracy to commit fraud and fraud? I’m asking because I’m following the Terronose story, where the founder supposedly committed fraud, yet she’s being charged only with conspiracy to commit fraud and not fraud itself, while her VP is being charged with fraud. Thanks, Jorge _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sbg%40sbgaal.com From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Mon Jul 22 22:02:41 2019 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 22:02:41 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] U.S. Access Board Seeks Deputy General Counsel In-Reply-To: <16778409.15125@service.govdelivery.com> References: <16778409.15125@service.govdelivery.com> Message-ID: From: United States Access Board Sent: Monday, July 22, 2019 2:47 PM Subject: U.S. Access Board Seeks Deputy General Counsel U.S. Access Board Seeks Deputy General Counsel The U.S. Access Board seeks a Deputy General Counsel (GS-15) to serve as a supervisory attorney in its Office of General Counsel. 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The vacancy announcement is posted >>>on the Board's website at: >>>https://www.access-board.gov/news/1963-access-board-seeks-deputy-general-counsel. >>>Applications are due August 5, 2019. >>> >>>For further information, contact Sherrice >>>Mackin at >>>macklin at access-board.gov, >>>(202) 272-0004 (v), or (202) 272-0082 (TTY). >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>---------- >>>SUBSCRIBER SERVICES: >>>Manage >>>Preferences | >>>Unsubscribe >>>| >>>Help >>> >>> >>>For more information about the content of this >>>email, contact the Access Board. >>> >>> >>>Bookmark and Share >>> >>> >>>Twitter follow button >>> >>> >>>YouTube logo >>> >>> >>>---------- >>> >>>This email was sent to >>>jeanine.lineback at deque.com >>>using GovDelivery Communications Cloud on >>>behalf of: United States Access Board · 1331 >>>F St NW, Suite 1000 · Washington DC 20004 · >>>(800) 872-2253 (v) · (800) 993-2822 (TTY) From paezja at mail.broward.edu Tue Jul 23 00:55:44 2019 From: paezja at mail.broward.edu (Jorge Paez) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 00:55:44 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] Federal Rules of Procedure/Federal Rules of Evidence Message-ID: <6C6A4F3B-0563-4F10-A722-0112B4E76583@mail.broward.edu> Hi everyone. So, I have a subscription to the online Blue Book, which is completely accessible. However before that I had tried the phone version which isn’t, but that version was a bundle that included a subscription to the Federal Rules of Procedure and the Federal Rules of Evidence. Does anyone know any way of getting those 2 books in an accessible format? (The version that came with the inaccessible bluebook was not fully accessible either.) Thanks, Jorge From laura.wolk at gmail.com Tue Jul 23 01:11:40 2019 From: laura.wolk at gmail.com (Laura Wolk) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 21:11:40 -0400 Subject: [blindLaw] Federal Rules of Procedure/Federal Rules of Evidence In-Reply-To: <6C6A4F3B-0563-4F10-A722-0112B4E76583@mail.broward.edu> References: <6C6A4F3B-0563-4F10-A722-0112B4E76583@mail.broward.edu> Message-ID: Jorge, You can find these on Westlaw, Lexis, or through Cornell's Legal Information Institute. Probably other places as well. Hope that helps. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 22, 2019, at 8:55 PM, Jorge Paez via BlindLaw wrote: > > Hi everyone. > So, I have a subscription to the online Blue Book, which is completely accessible. > However before that I had tried the phone version which isn’t, but that version was a bundle that included a subscription to the Federal Rules of Procedure and the Federal Rules of Evidence. > Does anyone know any way of getting those 2 books in an accessible format? > (The version that came with the inaccessible bluebook was not fully accessible either.) > > Thanks, > > Jorge > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/laura.wolk%40gmail.com From paezja at mail.broward.edu Tue Jul 23 03:51:54 2019 From: paezja at mail.broward.edu (Jorge Paez) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 03:51:54 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] West Law and Lexis Nexus Message-ID: Hello everyone. 2 quick questions. First, do you have to be a member of the bar, or already be in law school to access either of these services? Secondly, anyone know which is more accessible and are they equal or are they each used for different purposes? Thanks, Jorge From ETroutman at BrooksPierce.com Tue Jul 23 12:12:50 2019 From: ETroutman at BrooksPierce.com (Elizabeth Troutman) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 12:12:50 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] Federal Rules of Procedu Message-ID: <75af3d10890a4285a6d903052d431948@BrooksPierce.com> George, My personal experience has been that WestLaw is slightly better than Lexis if you're using JAWS. For a long time, it was head and shoulders above, but Lexis has been catching up. Neither of them are fully accessible - i.e. searching within the citing references in WestLaw is cumbersome and copying with citation on both platforms is not available. 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(800) 993-2822 (TTY) ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 00:55:44 +0000 From: Jorge Paez > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Subject: [blindLaw] Federal Rules of Procedure/Federal Rules of Evidence Message-ID: <6C6A4F3B-0563-4F10-A722-0112B4E76583 at mail.broward.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi everyone. So, I have a subscription to the online Blue Book, which is completely accessible. However before that I had tried the phone version which isn?t, but that version was a bundle that included a subscription to the Federal Rules of Procedure and the Federal Rules of Evidence. Does anyone know any way of getting those 2 books in an accessible format? (The version that came with the inaccessible bluebook was not fully accessible either.) Thanks, Jorge ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 21:11:40 -0400 From: Laura Wolk > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Federal Rules of Procedure/Federal Rules of Evidence Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Jorge, You can find these on Westlaw, Lexis, or through Cornell's Legal Information Institute. Probably other places as well. Hope that helps. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 22, 2019, at 8:55 PM, Jorge Paez via BlindLaw > wrote: > > Hi everyone. > So, I have a subscription to the online Blue Book, which is completely accessible. > However before that I had tried the phone version which isn?t, but that version was a bundle that included a subscription to the Federal Rules of Procedure and the Federal Rules of Evidence. > Does anyone know any way of getting those 2 books in an accessible format? > (The version that came with the inaccessible bluebook was not fully accessible either.) > > Thanks, > > Jorge > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/laura.wolk at gmail.com ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 03:51:54 +0000 From: Jorge Paez > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Subject: [blindLaw] West Law and Lexis Nexus Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello everyone. 2 quick questions. First, do you have to be a member of the bar, or already be in law school to access either of these services? Secondly, anyone know which is more accessible and are they equal or are they each used for different purposes? Thanks, Jorge ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org ------------------------------ End of BlindLaw Digest, Vol 182, Issue 14 ***************************************** Confidentiality Notice: The information contained in this e-mail transmittal is privileged and confidential intended for the addressee only. If you are neither the intended recipient nor the employee or agent responsible for delivering this e-mail to the intended recipient, any disclosure of this information in any way or taking of any action in reliance on this information is strictly prohibited. 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The most familiar white collar crimes are financial, like embezzlement, money laundering, or various frauds: wire, mail, securities, bank. Sometimes these offenses are particular to an industry, such as criminal misbranding of drugs or medical devices, something unique to pharmaceutical companies. Other times, it is easier to think of the offense as falling within a particular statute, like issues arising from the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act or criminal antitrust provisions. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Jorge Paez via BlindLaw Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2019 3:39 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Jorge Paez Subject: [blindLaw] white collar crimes Hello: For criminal attorneys, can you please explain what defines a crime as a white collar crime? Thanks, Jorge _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/nsingh%40cov.com From paezja at mail.broward.edu Tue Jul 23 15:43:46 2019 From: paezja at mail.broward.edu (Jorge Paez) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 15:43:46 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] LSAT practice Message-ID: Hi everyone. Anyone know any resource where I can prep for the LSAT with an actual test? I’ve found apps that will do specific parts of it in flash card form, or you can take a 30 minute reading/logic etc. sample but I haven’t found a way to do a sim where it’d let you take the whole test. My idea is to take a practice LSAT and see what score I would get right now, to have a baseline to study from. I tried looking into the LSAC itself but they only give you practice materials if you have already scheduled an exam, something I don’t want to do since I’m aiming for a 165 and I hear taking the LSAT more then once is frowned on by law schools. Thanks, Jorge From alpineimagination at gmail.com Tue Jul 23 15:54:45 2019 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 08:54:45 -0700 Subject: [blindLaw] LSAT practice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Jorge, Do you have a Bookshare account? The LSAC has a book of "10 Actual, Official LSAT prep tests" which you might find useful. Vejas > On 23 Jul 2019, at 08:43, Jorge Paez via BlindLaw wrote: > > Hi everyone. > Anyone know any resource where I can prep for the LSAT with an actual test? > I’ve found apps that will do specific parts of it in flash card form, or you can take a 30 minute reading/logic etc. sample but I haven’t found a way to do a sim where it’d let you take the whole test. > My idea is to take a practice LSAT and see what score I would get right now, to have a baseline to study from. > I tried looking into the LSAC itself but they only give you practice materials if you have already scheduled an exam, something I don’t want to do since I’m aiming for a 165 and I hear taking the LSAT more then once is frowned on by law schools. > > > Thanks, > > Jorge > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/alpineimagination%40gmail.com From kaybaycar at gmail.com Tue Jul 23 16:07:23 2019 From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 12:07:23 -0400 Subject: [blindLaw] LSAT practice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Jorge, I second the Bookshare recommendation. There are several books of actual prep tests on there with answer keys so you can grade yourself. I would also recommend getting your hands on the Power Score books. They will explain the various sections to you and how to think like the test. I've found the book on logical reasoning particularly helpful. It's not an actual test, no, but it's something to keep in mind for when you take the test and learn what you may need to work on. Best of luck to you! Julie On 7/23/19, Vejas Vasiliauskas via BlindLaw wrote: > Hi Jorge, > Do you have a Bookshare account? > The LSAC has a book of "10 Actual, Official LSAT prep tests" which you might > find useful. > Vejas > >> On 23 Jul 2019, at 08:43, Jorge Paez via BlindLaw >> wrote: >> >> Hi everyone. >> Anyone know any resource where I can prep for the LSAT with an actual >> test? >> I’ve found apps that will do specific parts of it in flash card form, or >> you can take a 30 minute reading/logic etc. sample but I haven’t found a >> way to do a sim where it’d let you take the whole test. >> My idea is to take a practice LSAT and see what score I would get right >> now, to have a baseline to study from. >> I tried looking into the LSAC itself but they only give you practice >> materials if you have already scheduled an exam, something I don’t want to >> do since I’m aiming for a 165 and I hear taking the LSAT more then once is >> frowned on by law schools. >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Jorge >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/alpineimagination%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com > -- Julie A. McGinnity MM Vocal Performance, 2015; President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division; First Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri From eeagle at nd.edu Tue Jul 23 16:59:59 2019 From: eeagle at nd.edu (Emily Eagle) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 11:59:59 -0500 Subject: [blindLaw] LSAT practice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jorge, I highly recommend Khan Academy! It’s a free online program that has study materials, a full-length practice test, and additional practice sections. It’s helping me a lot! -Emily On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 10:44 AM Jorge Paez via BlindLaw < blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: > Hi everyone. > Anyone know any resource where I can prep for the LSAT with an actual test? > I’ve found apps that will do specific parts of it in flash card form, or > you can take a 30 minute reading/logic etc. sample but I haven’t found a > way to do a sim where it’d let you take the whole test. > My idea is to take a practice LSAT and see what score I would get right > now, to have a baseline to study from. > I tried looking into the LSAC itself but they only give you practice > materials if you have already scheduled an exam, something I don’t want to > do since I’m aiming for a 165 and I hear taking the LSAT more then once is > frowned on by law schools. > > > Thanks, > > Jorge > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/eeagle%40nd.edu > From ericaturner203012 at gmail.com Tue Jul 23 17:11:03 2019 From: ericaturner203012 at gmail.com (Erica Turner) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 13:11:03 -0400 Subject: [blindLaw] LSAT practice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Khan Academy is totally amazing!!! I highly recommend it!!! “A good lawyer, just like a good poker player, must always keep his cards close to his chest.” ― Mallika Nawal Erica Turner, (904)881-1168 (cell) ericaturner203012 at gmail.com (personal email) literatureandme2379 at gmail.com (personal email) On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 1:01 PM Emily Eagle via BlindLaw < blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: > Jorge, > I highly recommend Khan Academy! It’s a free online program that has study > materials, a full-length practice test, and additional practice sections. > It’s helping me a lot! > -Emily > > On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 10:44 AM Jorge Paez via BlindLaw < > blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: > > > Hi everyone. > > Anyone know any resource where I can prep for the LSAT with an actual > test? > > I’ve found apps that will do specific parts of it in flash card form, or > > you can take a 30 minute reading/logic etc. sample but I haven’t found a > > way to do a sim where it’d let you take the whole test. > > My idea is to take a practice LSAT and see what score I would get right > > now, to have a baseline to study from. > > I tried looking into the LSAC itself but they only give you practice > > materials if you have already scheduled an exam, something I don’t want > to > > do since I’m aiming for a 165 and I hear taking the LSAT more then once > is > > frowned on by law schools. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jorge > > _______________________________________________ > > BlindLaw mailing list > > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > BlindLaw: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/eeagle%40nd.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ericaturner203012%40gmail.com > From paezja at mail.broward.edu Wed Jul 24 02:10:44 2019 From: paezja at mail.broward.edu (Jorge Paez) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 02:10:44 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] LSAT prep Message-ID: <69E5FD78-1AA9-4A14-B8D8-BEF4D12DA875@mail.broward.edu> Thanks for everyone’s suggestions. As far as Bookshare, yes I do have a bookstore account. As far as Khan Academy, I’ll be using the app on my phone for the video lectures, however I can’t do the sample LSAT on there and I can’t do it online because the site no longer supports Safari. Any other sites I can use to get a baseline score? Thanks, Jorge From alpineimagination at gmail.com Wed Jul 24 02:49:17 2019 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 19:49:17 -0700 Subject: [blindLaw] LSAT prep In-Reply-To: <69E5FD78-1AA9-4A14-B8D8-BEF4D12DA875@mail.broward.edu> References: <69E5FD78-1AA9-4A14-B8D8-BEF4D12DA875@mail.broward.edu> Message-ID: <8275BBEA-3AD7-4FC9-8B2F-4BA07E575C74@gmail.com> Have you tried the Khan Academy videos yet? The reason I ask is because if you haven't, you might want to try to give them a chance. I used it for math prep, and felt that they were very descriptive in their approaches. Vejas > On 23 Jul 2019, at 19:10, Jorge Paez via BlindLaw wrote: > > Thanks for everyone’s suggestions. > As far as Bookshare, yes I do have a bookstore account. > As far as Khan Academy, I’ll be using the app on my phone for the video lectures, however I can’t do the sample LSAT on there and I can’t do it online because the site no longer supports Safari. > Any other sites I can use to get a baseline score? > > Thanks, > > Jorge > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/alpineimagination%40gmail.com From lakeria2009 at gmail.com Wed Jul 24 04:16:28 2019 From: lakeria2009 at gmail.com (Lakeria Taylor) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 23:16:28 -0500 Subject: [blindLaw] LSAT practice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <27DA2A02-FCDD-43A5-898B-080449503C05@gmail.com> Hi, I created my LSAC Account and emailed them to get in accessible practice test. I would also recommend power score. All of the books for power score are on book share. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 23, 2019, at 10:43 AM, Jorge Paez via BlindLaw wrote: > > Hi everyone. > Anyone know any resource where I can prep for the LSAT with an actual test? > I’ve found apps that will do specific parts of it in flash card form, or you can take a 30 minute reading/logic etc. sample but I haven’t found a way to do a sim where it’d let you take the whole test. > My idea is to take a practice LSAT and see what score I would get right now, to have a baseline to study from. > I tried looking into the LSAC itself but they only give you practice materials if you have already scheduled an exam, something I don’t want to do since I’m aiming for a 165 and I hear taking the LSAT more then once is frowned on by law schools. > > > Thanks, > > Jorge > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lakeria2009%40gmail.com From paezja at mail.broward.edu Wed Jul 24 06:44:35 2019 From: paezja at mail.broward.edu (Jorge Paez) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 06:44:35 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] LSAT prep In-Reply-To: <8275BBEA-3AD7-4FC9-8B2F-4BA07E575C74@gmail.com> References: <69E5FD78-1AA9-4A14-B8D8-BEF4D12DA875@mail.broward.edu> <8275BBEA-3AD7-4FC9-8B2F-4BA07E575C74@gmail.com> Message-ID: Not yet but I deffinetely will. My only problem with Khan is I don’t find a way to get to their LSAT sim test from the app and I have Safari, which they don’t support for some reason. > On Jul 23, 2019, at 10:49 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via BlindLaw wrote: > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside of Broward College. DO NOT click links or open attachments unless are expecting the information and you recognize the sender. > ________________________________ > > Have you tried the Khan Academy videos yet? > The reason I ask is because if you haven't, you might want to try to give them a chance. I used it for math prep, and felt that they were very descriptive in their approaches. > Vejas > >> On 23 Jul 2019, at 19:10, Jorge Paez via BlindLaw wrote: >> >> Thanks for everyone’s suggestions. >> As far as Bookshare, yes I do have a bookstore account. >> As far as Khan Academy, I’ll be using the app on my phone for the video lectures, however I can’t do the sample LSAT on there and I can’t do it online because the site no longer supports Safari. >> Any other sites I can use to get a baseline score? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Jorge >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fblindlaw_nfbnet.org&data=02%7C01%7Cpaezja%40mail.broward.edu%7Cc4aea7b837a344aa161008d70fe1b790%7C7bd8e62933bc43c4870ccd3841be1658%7C0%7C0%7C636995334429630950&sdata=LZ3Izy%2FAvpDUxQZ%2BRRgZNzYVSWRzsnvHb7ncMzNFhRs%3D&reserved=0= >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Fblindlaw_nfbnet.org%2Falpineimagination%2540gmail.com&data=02%7C01%7Cpaezja%40mail.broward.edu%7Cc4aea7b837a344aa161008d70fe1b790%7C7bd8e62933bc43c4870ccd3841be1658%7C0%7C0%7C636995334429630950&sdata=bebvl1sXHAX%2B%2FHeGjbpH1pYhwI0n5GrvR6rSCAGqjhg%3D&reserved=0= > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fblindlaw_nfbnet.org&data=02%7C01%7Cpaezja%40mail.broward.edu%7Cc4aea7b837a344aa161008d70fe1b790%7C7bd8e62933bc43c4870ccd3841be1658%7C0%7C0%7C636995334429630950&sdata=LZ3Izy%2FAvpDUxQZ%2BRRgZNzYVSWRzsnvHb7ncMzNFhRs%3D&reserved=0= > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Fblindlaw_nfbnet.org%2Fpaezja%2540mail.broward.edu&data=02%7C01%7Cpaezja%40mail.broward.edu%7Cc4aea7b837a344aa161008d70fe1b790%7C7bd8e62933bc43c4870ccd3841be1658%7C0%7C0%7C636995334429630950&sdata=iCdBTq7Q4bKltzP1RLp2x6%2FLWXJ0DkEBTO7J3pk5qPs%3D&reserved=0= From paezja at mail.broward.edu Wed Jul 24 09:11:34 2019 From: paezja at mail.broward.edu (Jorge Paez) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 09:11:34 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] Khan Accademy LSAT Message-ID: <325C17BD-6192-4DC8-825F-6B32F01874FF@mail.broward.edu> Hi everyone. OK so I figured out what my issue was. Safari isn’t supported on Khan Academy for whatever reason so I downloaded Chrome and decided to test it and it works great. Just as an FYI for anyone else who might be starting their LSAT studies. Also I have to agree with those who recommended Khan Academy, the sim test is awesome and the tools on the site are amazing. Thanks, Jorge From laura.wolk at gmail.com Wed Jul 24 10:03:18 2019 From: laura.wolk at gmail.com (Laura Wolk) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 06:03:18 -0400 Subject: [blindLaw] Adobe and jaws Message-ID: All, I am using Adobe far more frequently than I have in the passed, and either I am doing something wrong, or Jaws is far less stable with Adobe than it used to be. Does anyone else have the issue, using the latest version of Jaws, of Jaws randomly losing its focus and flipping to other parts of the document? This has been frequently happening to me, both when using the arrows/page up/down to navigate and with using say all. Again, I'm only interested in experiences with the latest version of Jaws. But if you are having this experience, please let me know at your earliest convenience and I will try getting it addressed. Thanks, Laura From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com Wed Jul 24 11:07:34 2019 From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 16:37:34 +0530 Subject: [blindLaw] Adobe and jaws In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <717A198A-C41D-4663-ADCA-048B992CC4DE@gmail.com> Laura, You might recall that I had complained about this when our track changes conversation was underway. This has become a huge problem. I have corresponded with the head of adobe accessibility, one Robert something. He attributes this to pdfs being improperly tagged, but that does not explain why this problem is suddenly surfacing now. Vispero says that adobe is responsible for this. One workaround is to go to open with and select word and the doc will open as a word document. For many docs, however, jaws thinks they have no content when this is done. So then you have to view them as html documents as email attachments. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 24, 2019, at 3:33 PM, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw wrote: > > All, > > I am using Adobe far more frequently than I have in the passed, and > either I am doing something wrong, or Jaws is far less stable with > Adobe than it used to be. Does anyone else have the issue, using the > latest version of Jaws, of Jaws randomly losing its focus and flipping > to other parts of the document? This has been frequently happening to > me, both when using the arrows/page up/down to navigate and with using > say all. Again, I'm only interested in experiences with the latest > version of Jaws. But if you are having this experience, please let me > know at your earliest convenience and I will try getting it addressed. > > Thanks, > > Laura > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rahul.bajaj1038%40gmail.com From laura.wolk at gmail.com Wed Jul 24 11:15:01 2019 From: laura.wolk at gmail.com (Laura Wolk) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 07:15:01 -0400 Subject: [blindLaw] Adobe and jaws In-Reply-To: <717A198A-C41D-4663-ADCA-048B992CC4DE@gmail.com> References: <717A198A-C41D-4663-ADCA-048B992CC4DE@gmail.com> Message-ID: <75C26D76-0676-471B-8568-A1F4D7579799@gmail.com> Rahul, My recollection is that you weren't using the latest version of Jaws. Is that not correct? I am autotagging and recognizing the documents within Adobe myself, so I don't think that's the problem. Laura Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 24, 2019, at 7:07 AM, Rahul Bajaj wrote: > > Laura, > > > You might recall that I had complained about this when our track changes conversation was underway. This has become a huge problem. I have corresponded with the head of adobe accessibility, one Robert something. He attributes this to pdfs being improperly tagged, but that does not explain why this problem is suddenly surfacing now. Vispero says that adobe is responsible for this. > > One workaround is to go to open with and select word and the doc will open as a word document. For many docs, however, jaws thinks they have no content when this is done. So then you have to view them as html documents as email attachments. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 24, 2019, at 3:33 PM, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw wrote: >> >> All, >> >> I am using Adobe far more frequently than I have in the passed, and >> either I am doing something wrong, or Jaws is far less stable with >> Adobe than it used to be. Does anyone else have the issue, using the >> latest version of Jaws, of Jaws randomly losing its focus and flipping >> to other parts of the document? This has been frequently happening to >> me, both when using the arrows/page up/down to navigate and with using >> say all. Again, I'm only interested in experiences with the latest >> version of Jaws. But if you are having this experience, please let me >> know at your earliest convenience and I will try getting it addressed. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Laura >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rahul.bajaj1038%40gmail.com From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com Wed Jul 24 11:56:50 2019 From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 17:26:50 +0530 Subject: [blindLaw] Adobe and jaws In-Reply-To: <75C26D76-0676-471B-8568-A1F4D7579799@gmail.com> References: <717A198A-C41D-4663-ADCA-048B992CC4DE@gmail.com> <75C26D76-0676-471B-8568-A1F4D7579799@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5E1343A4-33BF-4E50-A2B2-C2E415744800@gmail.com> I may have been using 2018 at the time. But I have confirmed that the problem does not go away with updating jaws. R Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 24, 2019, at 4:45 PM, Laura Wolk wrote: > > Rahul, > > My recollection is that you weren't using the latest version of Jaws. Is that not correct? > I am autotagging and recognizing the documents within Adobe myself, so I don't think that's the problem. > > Laura > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 24, 2019, at 7:07 AM, Rahul Bajaj wrote: >> >> Laura, >> >> >> You might recall that I had complained about this when our track changes conversation was underway. This has become a huge problem. I have corresponded with the head of adobe accessibility, one Robert something. He attributes this to pdfs being improperly tagged, but that does not explain why this problem is suddenly surfacing now. Vispero says that adobe is responsible for this. >> >> One workaround is to go to open with and select word and the doc will open as a word document. For many docs, however, jaws thinks they have no content when this is done. So then you have to view them as html documents as email attachments. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 3:33 PM, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw wrote: >>> >>> All, >>> >>> I am using Adobe far more frequently than I have in the passed, and >>> either I am doing something wrong, or Jaws is far less stable with >>> Adobe than it used to be. Does anyone else have the issue, using the >>> latest version of Jaws, of Jaws randomly losing its focus and flipping >>> to other parts of the document? This has been frequently happening to >>> me, both when using the arrows/page up/down to navigate and with using >>> say all. Again, I'm only interested in experiences with the latest >>> version of Jaws. But if you are having this experience, please let me >>> know at your earliest convenience and I will try getting it addressed. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Laura >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rahul.bajaj1038%40gmail.com From laura.wolk at gmail.com Wed Jul 24 12:35:00 2019 From: laura.wolk at gmail.com (Laura Wolk) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 08:35:00 -0400 Subject: [blindLaw] Adobe and jaws In-Reply-To: <5E1343A4-33BF-4E50-A2B2-C2E415744800@gmail.com> References: <717A198A-C41D-4663-ADCA-048B992CC4DE@gmail.com> <75C26D76-0676-471B-8568-A1F4D7579799@gmail.com> <5E1343A4-33BF-4E50-A2B2-C2E415744800@gmail.com> Message-ID: <764783AA-E28F-4A59-9BB9-76E58DDAC2BF@gmail.com> Perfect. Thanks, Rahul! Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 24, 2019, at 7:56 AM, Rahul Bajaj wrote: > > I may have been using 2018 at the time. But I have confirmed that the problem does not go away with updating jaws. > > > R > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 24, 2019, at 4:45 PM, Laura Wolk wrote: >> >> Rahul, >> >> My recollection is that you weren't using the latest version of Jaws. Is that not correct? >> I am autotagging and recognizing the documents within Adobe myself, so I don't think that's the problem. >> >> Laura >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 7:07 AM, Rahul Bajaj wrote: >>> >>> Laura, >>> >>> >>> You might recall that I had complained about this when our track changes conversation was underway. This has become a huge problem. I have corresponded with the head of adobe accessibility, one Robert something. He attributes this to pdfs being improperly tagged, but that does not explain why this problem is suddenly surfacing now. Vispero says that adobe is responsible for this. >>> >>> One workaround is to go to open with and select word and the doc will open as a word document. For many docs, however, jaws thinks they have no content when this is done. So then you have to view them as html documents as email attachments. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 3:33 PM, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw wrote: >>>> >>>> All, >>>> >>>> I am using Adobe far more frequently than I have in the passed, and >>>> either I am doing something wrong, or Jaws is far less stable with >>>> Adobe than it used to be. Does anyone else have the issue, using the >>>> latest version of Jaws, of Jaws randomly losing its focus and flipping >>>> to other parts of the document? This has been frequently happening to >>>> me, both when using the arrows/page up/down to navigate and with using >>>> say all. Again, I'm only interested in experiences with the latest >>>> version of Jaws. But if you are having this experience, please let me >>>> know at your earliest convenience and I will try getting it addressed. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Laura >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rahul.bajaj1038%40gmail.com From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com Wed Jul 24 13:03:16 2019 From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 18:33:16 +0530 Subject: [blindLaw] Adobe and jaws In-Reply-To: <764783AA-E28F-4A59-9BB9-76E58DDAC2BF@gmail.com> References: <717A198A-C41D-4663-ADCA-048B992CC4DE@gmail.com> <75C26D76-0676-471B-8568-A1F4D7579799@gmail.com> <5E1343A4-33BF-4E50-A2B2-C2E415744800@gmail.com> <764783AA-E28F-4A59-9BB9-76E58DDAC2BF@gmail.com> Message-ID: <63AD9C24-47C0-4A15-A6D4-3D7F15627B37@gmail.com> If possible, I’d be grateful if you could keep me in the loop in any advocacy effort that you might initiate to get this issue rectified. It was a significant impediment for me last academic year, and I would like to help in getting it addressed. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 24, 2019, at 6:05 PM, Laura Wolk wrote: > > Perfect. Thanks, Rahul! > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 24, 2019, at 7:56 AM, Rahul Bajaj wrote: >> >> I may have been using 2018 at the time. But I have confirmed that the problem does not go away with updating jaws. >> >> >> R >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 4:45 PM, Laura Wolk wrote: >>> >>> Rahul, >>> >>> My recollection is that you weren't using the latest version of Jaws. Is that not correct? >>> I am autotagging and recognizing the documents within Adobe myself, so I don't think that's the problem. >>> >>> Laura >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 7:07 AM, Rahul Bajaj wrote: >>>> >>>> Laura, >>>> >>>> >>>> You might recall that I had complained about this when our track changes conversation was underway. This has become a huge problem. I have corresponded with the head of adobe accessibility, one Robert something. He attributes this to pdfs being improperly tagged, but that does not explain why this problem is suddenly surfacing now. Vispero says that adobe is responsible for this. >>>> >>>> One workaround is to go to open with and select word and the doc will open as a word document. For many docs, however, jaws thinks they have no content when this is done. So then you have to view them as html documents as email attachments. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 3:33 PM, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw wrote: >>>>> >>>>> All, >>>>> >>>>> I am using Adobe far more frequently than I have in the passed, and >>>>> either I am doing something wrong, or Jaws is far less stable with >>>>> Adobe than it used to be. Does anyone else have the issue, using the >>>>> latest version of Jaws, of Jaws randomly losing its focus and flipping >>>>> to other parts of the document? This has been frequently happening to >>>>> me, both when using the arrows/page up/down to navigate and with using >>>>> say all. Again, I'm only interested in experiences with the latest >>>>> version of Jaws. But if you are having this experience, please let me >>>>> know at your earliest convenience and I will try getting it addressed. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Laura >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rahul.bajaj1038%40gmail.com From laura.wolk at gmail.com Wed Jul 24 13:57:37 2019 From: laura.wolk at gmail.com (Laura Wolk) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 09:57:37 -0400 Subject: [blindLaw] Adobe and jaws In-Reply-To: <63AD9C24-47C0-4A15-A6D4-3D7F15627B37@gmail.com> References: <717A198A-C41D-4663-ADCA-048B992CC4DE@gmail.com> <75C26D76-0676-471B-8568-A1F4D7579799@gmail.com> <5E1343A4-33BF-4E50-A2B2-C2E415744800@gmail.com> <764783AA-E28F-4A59-9BB9-76E58DDAC2BF@gmail.com> <63AD9C24-47C0-4A15-A6D4-3D7F15627B37@gmail.com> Message-ID: I'll try but that might not be possible given my employer. On 7/24/19, Rahul Bajaj wrote: > If possible, I’d be grateful if you could keep me in the loop in any > advocacy effort that you might initiate to get this issue rectified. It was > a significant impediment for me last academic year, and I would like to help > in getting it addressed. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 24, 2019, at 6:05 PM, Laura Wolk wrote: >> >> Perfect. Thanks, Rahul! >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 7:56 AM, Rahul Bajaj >>> wrote: >>> >>> I may have been using 2018 at the time. But I have confirmed that the >>> problem does not go away with updating jaws. >>> >>> >>> R >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 4:45 PM, Laura Wolk wrote: >>>> >>>> Rahul, >>>> >>>> My recollection is that you weren't using the latest version of Jaws. Is >>>> that not correct? >>>> I am autotagging and recognizing the documents within Adobe myself, so I >>>> don't think that's the problem. >>>> >>>> Laura >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 7:07 AM, Rahul Bajaj >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Laura, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> You might recall that I had complained about this when our track >>>>> changes conversation was underway. This has become a huge problem. I >>>>> have corresponded with the head of adobe accessibility, one Robert >>>>> something. He attributes this to pdfs being improperly tagged, but that >>>>> does not explain why this problem is suddenly surfacing now. Vispero >>>>> says that adobe is responsible for this. >>>>> >>>>> One workaround is to go to open with and select word and the doc will >>>>> open as a word document. For many docs, however, jaws thinks they have >>>>> no content when this is done. So then you have to view them as html >>>>> documents as email attachments. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 3:33 PM, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> All, >>>>>> >>>>>> I am using Adobe far more frequently than I have in the passed, and >>>>>> either I am doing something wrong, or Jaws is far less stable with >>>>>> Adobe than it used to be. Does anyone else have the issue, using the >>>>>> latest version of Jaws, of Jaws randomly losing its focus and >>>>>> flipping >>>>>> to other parts of the document? This has been frequently happening >>>>>> to >>>>>> me, both when using the arrows/page up/down to navigate and with >>>>>> using >>>>>> say all. Again, I'm only interested in experiences with the latest >>>>>> version of Jaws. But if you are having this experience, please let >>>>>> me >>>>>> know at your earliest convenience and I will try getting it >>>>>> addressed. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> >>>>>> Laura >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rahul.bajaj1038%40gmail.com > From kaybaycar at gmail.com Wed Jul 24 14:20:27 2019 From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 10:20:27 -0400 Subject: [blindLaw] LSAT practice In-Reply-To: <27DA2A02-FCDD-43A5-898B-080449503C05@gmail.com> References: <27DA2A02-FCDD-43A5-898B-080449503C05@gmail.com> Message-ID: How well does Khan Academy work with Jaws? Julie On 7/24/19, Lakeria Taylor via BlindLaw wrote: > Hi, > I created my LSAC Account and emailed them to get in accessible practice > test. I would also recommend power score. All of the books for power score > are on book share. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 23, 2019, at 10:43 AM, Jorge Paez via BlindLaw >> wrote: >> >> Hi everyone. >> Anyone know any resource where I can prep for the LSAT with an actual >> test? >> I’ve found apps that will do specific parts of it in flash card form, or >> you can take a 30 minute reading/logic etc. sample but I haven’t found a >> way to do a sim where it’d let you take the whole test. >> My idea is to take a practice LSAT and see what score I would get right >> now, to have a baseline to study from. >> I tried looking into the LSAC itself but they only give you practice >> materials if you have already scheduled an exam, something I don’t want to >> do since I’m aiming for a 165 and I hear taking the LSAT more then once is >> frowned on by law schools. >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Jorge >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lakeria2009%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com > -- Julie A. McGinnity MM Vocal Performance, 2015; President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division; First Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri From kelbycarlson at gmail.com Wed Jul 24 14:28:20 2019 From: kelbycarlson at gmail.com (Kelby Carlson) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 10:28:20 -0400 Subject: [blindLaw] Adobe and jaws In-Reply-To: References: <717A198A-C41D-4663-ADCA-048B992CC4DE@gmail.com> <75C26D76-0676-471B-8568-A1F4D7579799@gmail.com> <5E1343A4-33BF-4E50-A2B2-C2E415744800@gmail.com> <764783AA-E28F-4A59-9BB9-76E58DDAC2BF@gmail.com> <63AD9C24-47C0-4A15-A6D4-3D7F15627B37@gmail.com> Message-ID: Laura, Are you using Adobe Acrobat to do OCR on image-based PDFs? I attempted this at my last place of employment with pretty unimpressive results, so I typically use FineReader to get the job done, with mixed success depending on the nature of the document. I occasionally encounter a similar problem with NVDA, which I have come to prefer over JAWS, but usually only when using CTRL+Page Down. On 7/24/19, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw wrote: > I'll try but that might not be possible given my employer. > > On 7/24/19, Rahul Bajaj wrote: >> If possible, I’d be grateful if you could keep me in the loop in any >> advocacy effort that you might initiate to get this issue rectified. It >> was >> a significant impediment for me last academic year, and I would like to >> help >> in getting it addressed. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 6:05 PM, Laura Wolk wrote: >>> >>> Perfect. Thanks, Rahul! >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 7:56 AM, Rahul Bajaj >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I may have been using 2018 at the time. But I have confirmed that the >>>> problem does not go away with updating jaws. >>>> >>>> >>>> R >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 4:45 PM, Laura Wolk wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Rahul, >>>>> >>>>> My recollection is that you weren't using the latest version of Jaws. >>>>> Is >>>>> that not correct? >>>>> I am autotagging and recognizing the documents within Adobe myself, so >>>>> I >>>>> don't think that's the problem. >>>>> >>>>> Laura >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 7:07 AM, Rahul Bajaj >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Laura, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> You might recall that I had complained about this when our track >>>>>> changes conversation was underway. This has become a huge problem. I >>>>>> have corresponded with the head of adobe accessibility, one Robert >>>>>> something. He attributes this to pdfs being improperly tagged, but >>>>>> that >>>>>> does not explain why this problem is suddenly surfacing now. Vispero >>>>>> says that adobe is responsible for this. >>>>>> >>>>>> One workaround is to go to open with and select word and the doc will >>>>>> open as a word document. For many docs, however, jaws thinks they have >>>>>> no content when this is done. So then you have to view them as html >>>>>> documents as email attachments. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 3:33 PM, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am using Adobe far more frequently than I have in the passed, and >>>>>>> either I am doing something wrong, or Jaws is far less stable with >>>>>>> Adobe than it used to be. Does anyone else have the issue, using the >>>>>>> latest version of Jaws, of Jaws randomly losing its focus and >>>>>>> flipping >>>>>>> to other parts of the document? This has been frequently happening >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> me, both when using the arrows/page up/down to navigate and with >>>>>>> using >>>>>>> say all. Again, I'm only interested in experiences with the latest >>>>>>> version of Jaws. But if you are having this experience, please let >>>>>>> me >>>>>>> know at your earliest convenience and I will try getting it >>>>>>> addressed. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Laura >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rahul.bajaj1038%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40gmail.com > -- Kelby Carlson From laura.wolk at gmail.com Wed Jul 24 14:56:43 2019 From: laura.wolk at gmail.com (Laura Wolk) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 10:56:43 -0400 Subject: [blindLaw] Adobe and jaws In-Reply-To: References: <717A198A-C41D-4663-ADCA-048B992CC4DE@gmail.com> <75C26D76-0676-471B-8568-A1F4D7579799@gmail.com> <5E1343A4-33BF-4E50-A2B2-C2E415744800@gmail.com> <764783AA-E28F-4A59-9BB9-76E58DDAC2BF@gmail.com> <63AD9C24-47C0-4A15-A6D4-3D7F15627B37@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3F36C9F3-83EE-45B0-8004-C709CD9802F1@gmail.com> CAN you be more specific about the problems you had with Adobe? I haven't had problems so far. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 24, 2019, at 10:28 AM, Kelby Carlson via BlindLaw wrote: > > Laura, > > Are you using Adobe Acrobat to do OCR on image-based PDFs? I attempted > this at my last place of employment with pretty unimpressive results, > so I typically use FineReader to get the job done, with mixed success > depending on the nature of the document. > > I occasionally encounter a similar problem with NVDA, which I have > come to prefer over JAWS, but usually only when using CTRL+Page Down. > > > >> On 7/24/19, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw wrote: >> I'll try but that might not be possible given my employer. >> >>> On 7/24/19, Rahul Bajaj wrote: >>> If possible, I’d be grateful if you could keep me in the loop in any >>> advocacy effort that you might initiate to get this issue rectified. It >>> was >>> a significant impediment for me last academic year, and I would like to >>> help >>> in getting it addressed. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 6:05 PM, Laura Wolk wrote: >>>> >>>> Perfect. Thanks, Rahul! >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 7:56 AM, Rahul Bajaj >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I may have been using 2018 at the time. But I have confirmed that the >>>>> problem does not go away with updating jaws. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> R >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 4:45 PM, Laura Wolk wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Rahul, >>>>>> >>>>>> My recollection is that you weren't using the latest version of Jaws. >>>>>> Is >>>>>> that not correct? >>>>>> I am autotagging and recognizing the documents within Adobe myself, so >>>>>> I >>>>>> don't think that's the problem. >>>>>> >>>>>> Laura >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 7:07 AM, Rahul Bajaj >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Laura, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You might recall that I had complained about this when our track >>>>>>> changes conversation was underway. This has become a huge problem. I >>>>>>> have corresponded with the head of adobe accessibility, one Robert >>>>>>> something. He attributes this to pdfs being improperly tagged, but >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> does not explain why this problem is suddenly surfacing now. Vispero >>>>>>> says that adobe is responsible for this. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> One workaround is to go to open with and select word and the doc will >>>>>>> open as a word document. For many docs, however, jaws thinks they have >>>>>>> no content when this is done. So then you have to view them as html >>>>>>> documents as email attachments. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 3:33 PM, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> All, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am using Adobe far more frequently than I have in the passed, and >>>>>>>> either I am doing something wrong, or Jaws is far less stable with >>>>>>>> Adobe than it used to be. Does anyone else have the issue, using the >>>>>>>> latest version of Jaws, of Jaws randomly losing its focus and >>>>>>>> flipping >>>>>>>> to other parts of the document? This has been frequently happening >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> me, both when using the arrows/page up/down to navigate and with >>>>>>>> using >>>>>>>> say all. Again, I'm only interested in experiences with the latest >>>>>>>> version of Jaws. But if you are having this experience, please let >>>>>>>> me >>>>>>>> know at your earliest convenience and I will try getting it >>>>>>>> addressed. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Laura >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rahul.bajaj1038%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Kelby Carlson > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/laura.wolk%40gmail.com From steve.jacobson at outlook.com Wed Jul 24 15:19:03 2019 From: steve.jacobson at outlook.com (Steve Jacobson) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 15:19:03 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] Adobe and jaws In-Reply-To: <3F36C9F3-83EE-45B0-8004-C709CD9802F1@gmail.com> References: <717A198A-C41D-4663-ADCA-048B992CC4DE@gmail.com> <75C26D76-0676-471B-8568-A1F4D7579799@gmail.com> <5E1343A4-33BF-4E50-A2B2-C2E415744800@gmail.com> <764783AA-E28F-4A59-9BB9-76E58DDAC2BF@gmail.com> <63AD9C24-47C0-4A15-A6D4-3D7F15627B37@gmail.com> <3F36C9F3-83EE-45B0-8004-C709CD9802F1@gmail.com> Message-ID: Laura and Rahul, There are a number of issues that continually come up regarding PDF documents. You were able to achieve a good deal of success with problems with tracking changes in Word because you could show how it was negatively affecting people on the job. I think this makes what you choose to take on more effective than the efforts that some of us have made from a technical perspective. However, as you have stated, Laura, it is important to figure out where the focus should be. One thing that has to be done first is to separate the various problems being addressed. From what I have observed, there is a tendency for all problems to be ignored once it is determined that a document has not been correctly tagged, and this is somewhat true of both Vispero and Adobe. As you both know, an untagged or incorrectly tagged document can often be read if everything else is working all right. I have not observed the focus problem with PDF's that you have described, but you likely read many more PDF's than I do. However, it is worth checking a couple of things that have happened to me. First, are you using a computer with a touch screen? I have had focus move as a result of a touch screen on one of my laptops. Sometimes I know I probably brushed the screen without meaning to, but sometimes I can't attribute the focus movement to anything that I did. To a lesser degree, the mouse pad on a laptop can contribute to focus changes as well, even when brushed with a sleeve. Finally, if you are using a desktop with an attached mouse, even vibration of the surface upon which the mouse rests can cause enough movement to affect focus. My guess is that you have already eliminated these possibilities, but making the point when talking with Vispero right away will save time. Also, it would be very helpful if you can determine that the problem does not exist on the same computer when using NVDA. You mentioned that you are only interested in dealing with the latest version of JAWS. This is also a good strategy since that's the first thing they will ask you. What is less obvious is that the versions of the Acrobat Reader also change frequently. One may not even know their version has been updated depending upon settings. A third factor is that there are a huge number of Acrobat settings. Vispero might be helpful in knowing which settings could contribute to certain problems. I had a case recently where documents on one of my computer opened up blank while they were read fine on another of my computer. A particular security setting has to be set a certain way on one computer but that setting didn't seem to matter on the other. I have no idea why that would have been the case. The point is that there are a number of moving parts. It occurs to me, though, that there could be animations that could disrupt focus. Turning off any animation might help, but this is a guess on my part. Another variable is how PDF documents are created. Besides the issue of pages being pictures rather than characters, there are a number of third party programs that can create PDF documents. I don't know to what degree third party PDF generators have to get an agreement from Adobe to do that. However, Adobe tends to take no responsibility for things that may happen as a result of PDF's generated by third parties. I have had the experience, for example, that when I open a PDF in Microsoft Word, the periods were all missing even though I could find them when reading the PDF with Acrobat. Who knows why. The issue of words all running together or being shown as one word per line still exists sometimes, but this also appears to be an issue with PDF's generated by some third party software. Rahul, you mention that you have had to deal with documents that appear to be empty. You mention getting poor results when using OCR with Adobe Acrobat. You also mention something about having to resort to using HTML. The fact that a document requires OCR is not something for which Adobe can be held responsible. Whether the professional version of Acrobat is good at performing OCR or not is not really something that can easily be addressed since such a PDF could have been created using a poor quality image. There is no way that Adobe could guarantee that a document consisting of images can be turned into a good document even with their product. This isn't to say that such an occurrence isn't frustrating to us as users. Finally, have people here used PDF forms that can be filled in while on Computer? I have not used such PDF forms for some time now, but they were not easy to use when I did. Again, there are things Adobe suggests to make such forms more accessible, but I don't know how well screen readers handle these forms even when they are correctly created. Given the importance of PDF documents and the various issues that we encounter, there needs to be some thought as to which problems need to be addressed and where should those problems be directed. There is a lot of room for each player in this to suggest the blame is elsewhere, so it is important to focus these efforts. Best regards, Steve Jacobson -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Laura Wolk via BlindLaw Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2019 9:57 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Laura Wolk Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Adobe and jaws CAN you be more specific about the problems you had with Adobe? I haven't had problems so far. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 24, 2019, at 10:28 AM, Kelby Carlson via BlindLaw wrote: > > Laura, > > Are you using Adobe Acrobat to do OCR on image-based PDFs? I attempted > this at my last place of employment with pretty unimpressive results, > so I typically use FineReader to get the job done, with mixed success > depending on the nature of the document. > > I occasionally encounter a similar problem with NVDA, which I have > come to prefer over JAWS, but usually only when using CTRL+Page Down. > > > >> On 7/24/19, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw wrote: >> I'll try but that might not be possible given my employer. >> >>> On 7/24/19, Rahul Bajaj wrote: >>> If possible, I’d be grateful if you could keep me in the loop in any >>> advocacy effort that you might initiate to get this issue rectified. It >>> was >>> a significant impediment for me last academic year, and I would like to >>> help >>> in getting it addressed. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 6:05 PM, Laura Wolk wrote: >>>> >>>> Perfect. Thanks, Rahul! >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 7:56 AM, Rahul Bajaj >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I may have been using 2018 at the time. But I have confirmed that the >>>>> problem does not go away with updating jaws. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> R >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 4:45 PM, Laura Wolk wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Rahul, >>>>>> >>>>>> My recollection is that you weren't using the latest version of Jaws. >>>>>> Is >>>>>> that not correct? >>>>>> I am autotagging and recognizing the documents within Adobe myself, so >>>>>> I >>>>>> don't think that's the problem. >>>>>> >>>>>> Laura >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 7:07 AM, Rahul Bajaj >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Laura, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You might recall that I had complained about this when our track >>>>>>> changes conversation was underway. This has become a huge problem. I >>>>>>> have corresponded with the head of adobe accessibility, one Robert >>>>>>> something. He attributes this to pdfs being improperly tagged, but >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> does not explain why this problem is suddenly surfacing now. Vispero >>>>>>> says that adobe is responsible for this. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> One workaround is to go to open with and select word and the doc will >>>>>>> open as a word document. For many docs, however, jaws thinks they have >>>>>>> no content when this is done. So then you have to view them as html >>>>>>> documents as email attachments. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 3:33 PM, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> All, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am using Adobe far more frequently than I have in the passed, and >>>>>>>> either I am doing something wrong, or Jaws is far less stable with >>>>>>>> Adobe than it used to be. Does anyone else have the issue, using the >>>>>>>> latest version of Jaws, of Jaws randomly losing its focus and >>>>>>>> flipping >>>>>>>> to other parts of the document? This has been frequently happening >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> me, both when using the arrows/page up/down to navigate and with >>>>>>>> using >>>>>>>> say all. Again, I'm only interested in experiences with the latest >>>>>>>> version of Jaws. But if you are having this experience, please let >>>>>>>> me >>>>>>>> know at your earliest convenience and I will try getting it >>>>>>>> addressed. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Laura >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fblindlaw_nfbnet.org&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6458a8ece2e84b6565e008d710475447%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636995770845830192&sdata=pNEZ%2FecUBVWwXjWmn4zseb8S5TQZaB2Om%2B4E5xZXWwc%3D&reserved=0 >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>>>> https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Fblindlaw_nfbnet.org%2Frahul.bajaj1038%2540gmail.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6458a8ece2e84b6565e008d710475447%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636995770845830192&sdata=%2B0%2BDtaKZfVUuvALVJfmc2VZZkInq4eAGy%2BI%2FQdYUkKk%3D&reserved=0 >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fblindlaw_nfbnet.org&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6458a8ece2e84b6565e008d710475447%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636995770845830192&sdata=pNEZ%2FecUBVWwXjWmn4zseb8S5TQZaB2Om%2B4E5xZXWwc%3D&reserved=0 >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Fblindlaw_nfbnet.org%2Fkelbycarlson%2540gmail.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6458a8ece2e84b6565e008d710475447%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636995770845830192&sdata=EsnjviQ0xmL%2FDfBi17BmsiHsOiribNYwRGiKZzL3Vy0%3D&reserved=0 >> > > > -- > Kelby Carlson > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fblindlaw_nfbnet.org&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6458a8ece2e84b6565e008d710475447%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636995770845840197&sdata=gFLPCphkTdw4h5goricSaynFcHIFzPhKP7uf%2B0zEuvI%3D&reserved=0 > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Fblindlaw_nfbnet.org%2Flaura.wolk%2540gmail.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6458a8ece2e84b6565e008d710475447%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636995770845840197&sdata=w6P7dDwR8kDwZ%2FXM2xsFmjN%2F41qlAH0eq2Ldcqb6nl4%3D&reserved=0 _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fblindlaw_nfbnet.org&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6458a8ece2e84b6565e008d710475447%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636995770845840197&sdata=gFLPCphkTdw4h5goricSaynFcHIFzPhKP7uf%2B0zEuvI%3D&reserved=0 To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Fblindlaw_nfbnet.org%2Fsteve.jacobson%2540outlook.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6458a8ece2e84b6565e008d710475447%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636995770845840197&sdata=AyiigbnU3Rp%2FIQYOWLHxWNg4LyyMA0kzNSCr8oTOY2c%3D&reserved=0 From tim at timeldermusic.com Wed Jul 24 15:21:39 2019 From: tim at timeldermusic.com (tim at timeldermusic.com) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 08:21:39 -0700 Subject: [blindLaw] Adobe and jaws In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01ae01d54233$7e4fec30$7aefc490$@timeldermusic.com> Yes, I've observed it with certain types of PDF documents. There may be some auto-refresh settings with JAWS to investigate with JAWS support . -----Original Message----- From: Laura Wolk Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2019 3:03 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Subject: [blindLaw] Adobe and jaws All, I am using Adobe far more frequently than I have in the passed, and either I am doing something wrong, or Jaws is far less stable with Adobe than it used to be. Does anyone else have the issue, using the latest version of Jaws, of Jaws randomly losing its focus and flipping to other parts of the document? This has been frequently happening to me, both when using the arrows/page up/down to navigate and with using say all. Again, I'm only interested in experiences with the latest version of Jaws. But if you are having this experience, please let me know at your earliest convenience and I will try getting it addressed. Thanks, Laura From laura.wolk at gmail.com Wed Jul 24 15:47:32 2019 From: laura.wolk at gmail.com (Laura Wolk) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 11:47:32 -0400 Subject: [blindLaw] Adobe and jaws In-Reply-To: References: <717A198A-C41D-4663-ADCA-048B992CC4DE@gmail.com> <75C26D76-0676-471B-8568-A1F4D7579799@gmail.com> <5E1343A4-33BF-4E50-A2B2-C2E415744800@gmail.com> <764783AA-E28F-4A59-9BB9-76E58DDAC2BF@gmail.com> <63AD9C24-47C0-4A15-A6D4-3D7F15627B37@gmail.com> <3F36C9F3-83EE-45B0-8004-C709CD9802F1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3D3E134B-1538-4186-93E9-2F4B590D75FB@gmail.com> This is excellent, Steve. Thank you. I'll need to read this message a few more times before giving my thoughts. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 24, 2019, at 11:19 AM, Steve Jacobson via BlindLaw wrote: > > Laura and Rahul, > > There are a number of issues that continually come up regarding PDF documents. You were able to achieve a good deal of success with problems with tracking changes in Word because you could show how it was negatively affecting people on the job. I think this makes what you choose to take on more effective than the efforts that some of us have made from a technical perspective. However, as you have stated, Laura, it is important to figure out where the focus should be. > > One thing that has to be done first is to separate the various problems being addressed. From what I have observed, there is a tendency for all problems to be ignored once it is determined that a document has not been correctly tagged, and this is somewhat true of both Vispero and Adobe. As you both know, an untagged or incorrectly tagged document can often be read if everything else is working all right. > > I have not observed the focus problem with PDF's that you have described, but you likely read many more PDF's than I do. However, it is worth checking a couple of things that have happened to me. First, are you using a computer with a touch screen? I have had focus move as a result of a touch screen on one of my laptops. Sometimes I know I probably brushed the screen without meaning to, but sometimes I can't attribute the focus movement to anything that I did. To a lesser degree, the mouse pad on a laptop can contribute to focus changes as well, even when brushed with a sleeve. Finally, if you are using a desktop with an attached mouse, even vibration of the surface upon which the mouse rests can cause enough movement to affect focus. My guess is that you have already eliminated these possibilities, but making the point when talking with Vispero right away will save time. Also, it would be very helpful if you can determine that the problem does not exist on the same computer when using NVDA. > > You mentioned that you are only interested in dealing with the latest version of JAWS. This is also a good strategy since that's the first thing they will ask you. What is less obvious is that the versions of the Acrobat Reader also change frequently. One may not even know their version has been updated depending upon settings. > > A third factor is that there are a huge number of Acrobat settings. Vispero might be helpful in knowing which settings could contribute to certain problems. I had a case recently where documents on one of my computer opened up blank while they were read fine on another of my computer. A particular security setting has to be set a certain way on one computer but that setting didn't seem to matter on the other. I have no idea why that would have been the case. The point is that there are a number of moving parts. It occurs to me, though, that there could be animations that could disrupt focus. Turning off any animation might help, but this is a guess on my part. > > Another variable is how PDF documents are created. Besides the issue of pages being pictures rather than characters, there are a number of third party programs that can create PDF documents. I don't know to what degree third party PDF generators have to get an agreement from Adobe to do that. However, Adobe tends to take no responsibility for things that may happen as a result of PDF's generated by third parties. I have had the experience, for example, that when I open a PDF in Microsoft Word, the periods were all missing even though I could find them when reading the PDF with Acrobat. Who knows why. The issue of words all running together or being shown as one word per line still exists sometimes, but this also appears to be an issue with PDF's generated by some third party software. > > Rahul, you mention that you have had to deal with documents that appear to be empty. You mention getting poor results when using OCR with Adobe Acrobat. You also mention something about having to resort to using HTML. The fact that a document requires OCR is not something for which Adobe can be held responsible. Whether the professional version of Acrobat is good at performing OCR or not is not really something that can easily be addressed since such a PDF could have been created using a poor quality image. There is no way that Adobe could guarantee that a document consisting of images can be turned into a good document even with their product. This isn't to say that such an occurrence isn't frustrating to us as users. > > Finally, have people here used PDF forms that can be filled in while on Computer? I have not used such PDF forms for some time now, but they were not easy to use when I did. Again, there are things Adobe suggests to make such forms more accessible, but I don't know how well screen readers handle these forms even when they are correctly created. > > Given the importance of PDF documents and the various issues that we encounter, there needs to be some thought as to which problems need to be addressed and where should those problems be directed. There is a lot of room for each player in this to suggest the blame is elsewhere, so it is important to focus these efforts. > > Best regards, > > Steve Jacobson > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Laura Wolk via BlindLaw > Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2019 9:57 AM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Laura Wolk > Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Adobe and jaws > > CAN you be more specific about the problems you had with Adobe? I haven't had problems so far. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 24, 2019, at 10:28 AM, Kelby Carlson via BlindLaw wrote: >> >> Laura, >> >> Are you using Adobe Acrobat to do OCR on image-based PDFs? I attempted >> this at my last place of employment with pretty unimpressive results, >> so I typically use FineReader to get the job done, with mixed success >> depending on the nature of the document. >> >> I occasionally encounter a similar problem with NVDA, which I have >> come to prefer over JAWS, but usually only when using CTRL+Page Down. >> >> >> >>> On 7/24/19, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw wrote: >>> I'll try but that might not be possible given my employer. >>> >>>> On 7/24/19, Rahul Bajaj wrote: >>>> If possible, I’d be grateful if you could keep me in the loop in any >>>> advocacy effort that you might initiate to get this issue rectified. It >>>> was >>>> a significant impediment for me last academic year, and I would like to >>>> help >>>> in getting it addressed. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 6:05 PM, Laura Wolk wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Perfect. Thanks, Rahul! >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 7:56 AM, Rahul Bajaj >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I may have been using 2018 at the time. But I have confirmed that the >>>>>> problem does not go away with updating jaws. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> R >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 4:45 PM, Laura Wolk wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Rahul, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My recollection is that you weren't using the latest version of Jaws. >>>>>>> Is >>>>>>> that not correct? >>>>>>> I am autotagging and recognizing the documents within Adobe myself, so >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> don't think that's the problem. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Laura >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 7:07 AM, Rahul Bajaj >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Laura, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You might recall that I had complained about this when our track >>>>>>>> changes conversation was underway. This has become a huge problem. I >>>>>>>> have corresponded with the head of adobe accessibility, one Robert >>>>>>>> something. He attributes this to pdfs being improperly tagged, but >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> does not explain why this problem is suddenly surfacing now. Vispero >>>>>>>> says that adobe is responsible for this. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> One workaround is to go to open with and select word and the doc will >>>>>>>> open as a word document. For many docs, however, jaws thinks they have >>>>>>>> no content when this is done. So then you have to view them as html >>>>>>>> documents as email attachments. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 3:33 PM, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> All, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am using Adobe far more frequently than I have in the passed, and >>>>>>>>> either I am doing something wrong, or Jaws is far less stable with >>>>>>>>> Adobe than it used to be. Does anyone else have the issue, using the >>>>>>>>> latest version of Jaws, of Jaws randomly losing its focus and >>>>>>>>> flipping >>>>>>>>> to other parts of the document? This has been frequently happening >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> me, both when using the arrows/page up/down to navigate and with >>>>>>>>> using >>>>>>>>> say all. Again, I'm only interested in experiences with the latest >>>>>>>>> version of Jaws. But if you are having this experience, please let >>>>>>>>> me >>>>>>>>> know at your earliest convenience and I will try getting it >>>>>>>>> addressed. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Laura >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fblindlaw_nfbnet.org&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6458a8ece2e84b6565e008d710475447%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636995770845830192&sdata=pNEZ%2FecUBVWwXjWmn4zseb8S5TQZaB2Om%2B4E5xZXWwc%3D&reserved=0 >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>>>>> https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Fblindlaw_nfbnet.org%2Frahul.bajaj1038%2540gmail.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6458a8ece2e84b6565e008d710475447%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636995770845830192&sdata=%2B0%2BDtaKZfVUuvALVJfmc2VZZkInq4eAGy%2BI%2FQdYUkKk%3D&reserved=0 >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fblindlaw_nfbnet.org&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6458a8ece2e84b6565e008d710475447%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636995770845830192&sdata=pNEZ%2FecUBVWwXjWmn4zseb8S5TQZaB2Om%2B4E5xZXWwc%3D&reserved=0 >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Fblindlaw_nfbnet.org%2Fkelbycarlson%2540gmail.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6458a8ece2e84b6565e008d710475447%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636995770845830192&sdata=EsnjviQ0xmL%2FDfBi17BmsiHsOiribNYwRGiKZzL3Vy0%3D&reserved=0 >>> >> >> >> -- >> Kelby Carlson >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fblindlaw_nfbnet.org&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6458a8ece2e84b6565e008d710475447%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636995770845840197&sdata=gFLPCphkTdw4h5goricSaynFcHIFzPhKP7uf%2B0zEuvI%3D&reserved=0 >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Fblindlaw_nfbnet.org%2Flaura.wolk%2540gmail.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6458a8ece2e84b6565e008d710475447%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636995770845840197&sdata=w6P7dDwR8kDwZ%2FXM2xsFmjN%2F41qlAH0eq2Ldcqb6nl4%3D&reserved=0 > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fblindlaw_nfbnet.org&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6458a8ece2e84b6565e008d710475447%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636995770845840197&sdata=gFLPCphkTdw4h5goricSaynFcHIFzPhKP7uf%2B0zEuvI%3D&reserved=0 > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Fblindlaw_nfbnet.org%2Fsteve.jacobson%2540outlook.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6458a8ece2e84b6565e008d710475447%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636995770845840197&sdata=AyiigbnU3Rp%2FIQYOWLHxWNg4LyyMA0kzNSCr8oTOY2c%3D&reserved=0 > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/laura.wolk%40gmail.com From laura.wolk at gmail.com Wed Jul 24 15:47:32 2019 From: laura.wolk at gmail.com (Laura Wolk) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 11:47:32 -0400 Subject: [blindLaw] Adobe and jaws In-Reply-To: References: <717A198A-C41D-4663-ADCA-048B992CC4DE@gmail.com> <75C26D76-0676-471B-8568-A1F4D7579799@gmail.com> <5E1343A4-33BF-4E50-A2B2-C2E415744800@gmail.com> <764783AA-E28F-4A59-9BB9-76E58DDAC2BF@gmail.com> <63AD9C24-47C0-4A15-A6D4-3D7F15627B37@gmail.com> <3F36C9F3-83EE-45B0-8004-C709CD9802F1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3D3E134B-1538-4186-93E9-2F4B590D75FB@gmail.com> This is excellent, Steve. Thank you. I'll need to read this message a few more times before giving my thoughts. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 24, 2019, at 11:19 AM, Steve Jacobson via BlindLaw wrote: > > Laura and Rahul, > > There are a number of issues that continually come up regarding PDF documents. You were able to achieve a good deal of success with problems with tracking changes in Word because you could show how it was negatively affecting people on the job. I think this makes what you choose to take on more effective than the efforts that some of us have made from a technical perspective. However, as you have stated, Laura, it is important to figure out where the focus should be. > > One thing that has to be done first is to separate the various problems being addressed. From what I have observed, there is a tendency for all problems to be ignored once it is determined that a document has not been correctly tagged, and this is somewhat true of both Vispero and Adobe. As you both know, an untagged or incorrectly tagged document can often be read if everything else is working all right. > > I have not observed the focus problem with PDF's that you have described, but you likely read many more PDF's than I do. However, it is worth checking a couple of things that have happened to me. First, are you using a computer with a touch screen? I have had focus move as a result of a touch screen on one of my laptops. Sometimes I know I probably brushed the screen without meaning to, but sometimes I can't attribute the focus movement to anything that I did. To a lesser degree, the mouse pad on a laptop can contribute to focus changes as well, even when brushed with a sleeve. Finally, if you are using a desktop with an attached mouse, even vibration of the surface upon which the mouse rests can cause enough movement to affect focus. My guess is that you have already eliminated these possibilities, but making the point when talking with Vispero right away will save time. Also, it would be very helpful if you can determine that the problem does not exist on the same computer when using NVDA. > > You mentioned that you are only interested in dealing with the latest version of JAWS. This is also a good strategy since that's the first thing they will ask you. What is less obvious is that the versions of the Acrobat Reader also change frequently. One may not even know their version has been updated depending upon settings. > > A third factor is that there are a huge number of Acrobat settings. Vispero might be helpful in knowing which settings could contribute to certain problems. I had a case recently where documents on one of my computer opened up blank while they were read fine on another of my computer. A particular security setting has to be set a certain way on one computer but that setting didn't seem to matter on the other. I have no idea why that would have been the case. The point is that there are a number of moving parts. It occurs to me, though, that there could be animations that could disrupt focus. Turning off any animation might help, but this is a guess on my part. > > Another variable is how PDF documents are created. Besides the issue of pages being pictures rather than characters, there are a number of third party programs that can create PDF documents. I don't know to what degree third party PDF generators have to get an agreement from Adobe to do that. However, Adobe tends to take no responsibility for things that may happen as a result of PDF's generated by third parties. I have had the experience, for example, that when I open a PDF in Microsoft Word, the periods were all missing even though I could find them when reading the PDF with Acrobat. Who knows why. The issue of words all running together or being shown as one word per line still exists sometimes, but this also appears to be an issue with PDF's generated by some third party software. > > Rahul, you mention that you have had to deal with documents that appear to be empty. You mention getting poor results when using OCR with Adobe Acrobat. You also mention something about having to resort to using HTML. The fact that a document requires OCR is not something for which Adobe can be held responsible. Whether the professional version of Acrobat is good at performing OCR or not is not really something that can easily be addressed since such a PDF could have been created using a poor quality image. There is no way that Adobe could guarantee that a document consisting of images can be turned into a good document even with their product. This isn't to say that such an occurrence isn't frustrating to us as users. > > Finally, have people here used PDF forms that can be filled in while on Computer? I have not used such PDF forms for some time now, but they were not easy to use when I did. Again, there are things Adobe suggests to make such forms more accessible, but I don't know how well screen readers handle these forms even when they are correctly created. > > Given the importance of PDF documents and the various issues that we encounter, there needs to be some thought as to which problems need to be addressed and where should those problems be directed. There is a lot of room for each player in this to suggest the blame is elsewhere, so it is important to focus these efforts. > > Best regards, > > Steve Jacobson > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Laura Wolk via BlindLaw > Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2019 9:57 AM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Laura Wolk > Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Adobe and jaws > > CAN you be more specific about the problems you had with Adobe? I haven't had problems so far. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 24, 2019, at 10:28 AM, Kelby Carlson via BlindLaw wrote: >> >> Laura, >> >> Are you using Adobe Acrobat to do OCR on image-based PDFs? I attempted >> this at my last place of employment with pretty unimpressive results, >> so I typically use FineReader to get the job done, with mixed success >> depending on the nature of the document. >> >> I occasionally encounter a similar problem with NVDA, which I have >> come to prefer over JAWS, but usually only when using CTRL+Page Down. >> >> >> >>> On 7/24/19, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw wrote: >>> I'll try but that might not be possible given my employer. >>> >>>> On 7/24/19, Rahul Bajaj wrote: >>>> If possible, I’d be grateful if you could keep me in the loop in any >>>> advocacy effort that you might initiate to get this issue rectified. It >>>> was >>>> a significant impediment for me last academic year, and I would like to >>>> help >>>> in getting it addressed. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 6:05 PM, Laura Wolk wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Perfect. Thanks, Rahul! >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 7:56 AM, Rahul Bajaj >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I may have been using 2018 at the time. But I have confirmed that the >>>>>> problem does not go away with updating jaws. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> R >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 4:45 PM, Laura Wolk wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Rahul, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My recollection is that you weren't using the latest version of Jaws. >>>>>>> Is >>>>>>> that not correct? >>>>>>> I am autotagging and recognizing the documents within Adobe myself, so >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> don't think that's the problem. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Laura >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 7:07 AM, Rahul Bajaj >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Laura, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You might recall that I had complained about this when our track >>>>>>>> changes conversation was underway. This has become a huge problem. I >>>>>>>> have corresponded with the head of adobe accessibility, one Robert >>>>>>>> something. He attributes this to pdfs being improperly tagged, but >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> does not explain why this problem is suddenly surfacing now. Vispero >>>>>>>> says that adobe is responsible for this. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> One workaround is to go to open with and select word and the doc will >>>>>>>> open as a word document. For many docs, however, jaws thinks they have >>>>>>>> no content when this is done. So then you have to view them as html >>>>>>>> documents as email attachments. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 3:33 PM, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> All, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am using Adobe far more frequently than I have in the passed, and >>>>>>>>> either I am doing something wrong, or Jaws is far less stable with >>>>>>>>> Adobe than it used to be. Does anyone else have the issue, using the >>>>>>>>> latest version of Jaws, of Jaws randomly losing its focus and >>>>>>>>> flipping >>>>>>>>> to other parts of the document? This has been frequently happening >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> me, both when using the arrows/page up/down to navigate and with >>>>>>>>> using >>>>>>>>> say all. Again, I'm only interested in experiences with the latest >>>>>>>>> version of Jaws. But if you are having this experience, please let >>>>>>>>> me >>>>>>>>> know at your earliest convenience and I will try getting it >>>>>>>>> addressed. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Laura >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fblindlaw_nfbnet.org&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6458a8ece2e84b6565e008d710475447%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636995770845830192&sdata=pNEZ%2FecUBVWwXjWmn4zseb8S5TQZaB2Om%2B4E5xZXWwc%3D&reserved=0 >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>>>>> https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Fblindlaw_nfbnet.org%2Frahul.bajaj1038%2540gmail.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6458a8ece2e84b6565e008d710475447%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636995770845830192&sdata=%2B0%2BDtaKZfVUuvALVJfmc2VZZkInq4eAGy%2BI%2FQdYUkKk%3D&reserved=0 >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fblindlaw_nfbnet.org&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6458a8ece2e84b6565e008d710475447%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636995770845830192&sdata=pNEZ%2FecUBVWwXjWmn4zseb8S5TQZaB2Om%2B4E5xZXWwc%3D&reserved=0 >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Fblindlaw_nfbnet.org%2Fkelbycarlson%2540gmail.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6458a8ece2e84b6565e008d710475447%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636995770845830192&sdata=EsnjviQ0xmL%2FDfBi17BmsiHsOiribNYwRGiKZzL3Vy0%3D&reserved=0 >>> >> >> >> -- >> Kelby Carlson >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fblindlaw_nfbnet.org&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6458a8ece2e84b6565e008d710475447%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636995770845840197&sdata=gFLPCphkTdw4h5goricSaynFcHIFzPhKP7uf%2B0zEuvI%3D&reserved=0 >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Fblindlaw_nfbnet.org%2Flaura.wolk%2540gmail.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6458a8ece2e84b6565e008d710475447%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636995770845840197&sdata=w6P7dDwR8kDwZ%2FXM2xsFmjN%2F41qlAH0eq2Ldcqb6nl4%3D&reserved=0 > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fblindlaw_nfbnet.org&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6458a8ece2e84b6565e008d710475447%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636995770845840197&sdata=gFLPCphkTdw4h5goricSaynFcHIFzPhKP7uf%2B0zEuvI%3D&reserved=0 > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Fblindlaw_nfbnet.org%2Fsteve.jacobson%2540outlook.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6458a8ece2e84b6565e008d710475447%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636995770845840197&sdata=AyiigbnU3Rp%2FIQYOWLHxWNg4LyyMA0kzNSCr8oTOY2c%3D&reserved=0 > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/laura.wolk%40gmail.com From laura.wolk at gmail.com Wed Jul 24 20:42:09 2019 From: laura.wolk at gmail.com (Laura Wolk) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 16:42:09 -0400 Subject: [blindLaw] Adobe and jaws In-Reply-To: <3D3E134B-1538-4186-93E9-2F4B590D75FB@gmail.com> References: <717A198A-C41D-4663-ADCA-048B992CC4DE@gmail.com> <75C26D76-0676-471B-8568-A1F4D7579799@gmail.com> <5E1343A4-33BF-4E50-A2B2-C2E415744800@gmail.com> <764783AA-E28F-4A59-9BB9-76E58DDAC2BF@gmail.com> <63AD9C24-47C0-4A15-A6D4-3D7F15627B37@gmail.com> <3F36C9F3-83EE-45B0-8004-C709CD9802F1@gmail.com> <3D3E134B-1538-4186-93E9-2F4B590D75FB@gmail.com> Message-ID: Rahul, Can you send me off list a pdf that reliably causes this issue, as well as the page on which it occurs? Let's start with a smaller document. Something in the 15-25 page range. It would be ideal if you had Adobe Pro, but it's fine if you don't. Also, opening with word is not a viable solution for me, as it changes how the document is presented and I need to be able to reliably cite to specific pages without worrying that the numbering has been changed in the conversion process. Wholeheartedly agree with Steve that this should be next or at least very high priority on our list. Laura On 7/24/19, Laura Wolk wrote: > This is excellent, Steve. Thank you. I'll need to read this message a few > more times before giving my thoughts. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 24, 2019, at 11:19 AM, Steve Jacobson via BlindLaw >> wrote: >> >> Laura and Rahul, >> >> There are a number of issues that continually come up regarding PDF >> documents. You were able to achieve a good deal of success with problems >> with tracking changes in Word because you could show how it was negatively >> affecting people on the job. I think this makes what you choose to take >> on more effective than the efforts that some of us have made from a >> technical perspective. However, as you have stated, Laura, it is >> important to figure out where the focus should be. >> >> One thing that has to be done first is to separate the various problems >> being addressed. From what I have observed, there is a tendency for all >> problems to be ignored once it is determined that a document has not been >> correctly tagged, and this is somewhat true of both Vispero and Adobe. As >> you both know, an untagged or incorrectly tagged document can often be >> read if everything else is working all right. >> >> I have not observed the focus problem with PDF's that you have described, >> but you likely read many more PDF's than I do. However, it is worth >> checking a couple of things that have happened to me. First, are you >> using a computer with a touch screen? I have had focus move as a result >> of a touch screen on one of my laptops. Sometimes I know I probably >> brushed the screen without meaning to, but sometimes I can't attribute the >> focus movement to anything that I did. To a lesser degree, the mouse pad >> on a laptop can contribute to focus changes as well, even when brushed >> with a sleeve. Finally, if you are using a desktop with an attached >> mouse, even vibration of the surface upon which the mouse rests can cause >> enough movement to affect focus. My guess is that you have already >> eliminated these possibilities, but making the point when talking with >> Vispero right away will save time. Also, it would be very helpful if you >> can determine that the problem does not exist on the same computer when >> using NVDA. >> >> You mentioned that you are only interested in dealing with the latest >> version of JAWS. This is also a good strategy since that's the first >> thing they will ask you. What is less obvious is that the versions of the >> Acrobat Reader also change frequently. One may not even know their >> version has been updated depending upon settings. >> >> A third factor is that there are a huge number of Acrobat settings. >> Vispero might be helpful in knowing which settings could contribute to >> certain problems. I had a case recently where documents on one of my >> computer opened up blank while they were read fine on another of my >> computer. A particular security setting has to be set a certain way on >> one computer but that setting didn't seem to matter on the other. I have >> no idea why that would have been the case. The point is that there are a >> number of moving parts. It occurs to me, though, that there could be >> animations that could disrupt focus. Turning off any animation might >> help, but this is a guess on my part. >> >> Another variable is how PDF documents are created. Besides the issue of >> pages being pictures rather than characters, there are a number of third >> party programs that can create PDF documents. I don't know to what degree >> third party PDF generators have to get an agreement from Adobe to do that. >> However, Adobe tends to take no responsibility for things that may happen >> as a result of PDF's generated by third parties. I have had the >> experience, for example, that when I open a PDF in Microsoft Word, the >> periods were all missing even though I could find them when reading the >> PDF with Acrobat. Who knows why. The issue of words all running together >> or being shown as one word per line still exists sometimes, but this also >> appears to be an issue with PDF's generated by some third party software. >> >> >> Rahul, you mention that you have had to deal with documents that appear to >> be empty. You mention getting poor results when using OCR with Adobe >> Acrobat. You also mention something about having to resort to using HTML. >> The fact that a document requires OCR is not something for which Adobe >> can be held responsible. Whether the professional version of Acrobat is >> good at performing OCR or not is not really something that can easily be >> addressed since such a PDF could have been created using a poor quality >> image. There is no way that Adobe could guarantee that a document >> consisting of images can be turned into a good document even with their >> product. This isn't to say that such an occurrence isn't frustrating to >> us as users. >> >> Finally, have people here used PDF forms that can be filled in while on >> Computer? I have not used such PDF forms for some time now, but they were >> not easy to use when I did. Again, there are things Adobe suggests to >> make such forms more accessible, but I don't know how well screen readers >> handle these forms even when they are correctly created. >> >> Given the importance of PDF documents and the various issues that we >> encounter, there needs to be some thought as to which problems need to be >> addressed and where should those problems be directed. There is a lot of >> room for each player in this to suggest the blame is elsewhere, so it is >> important to focus these efforts. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Steve Jacobson >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Laura Wolk via >> BlindLaw >> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2019 9:57 AM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Cc: Laura Wolk >> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Adobe and jaws >> >> CAN you be more specific about the problems you had with Adobe? I haven't >> had problems so far. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 10:28 AM, Kelby Carlson via BlindLaw >>> wrote: >>> >>> Laura, >>> >>> Are you using Adobe Acrobat to do OCR on image-based PDFs? I attempted >>> this at my last place of employment with pretty unimpressive results, >>> so I typically use FineReader to get the job done, with mixed success >>> depending on the nature of the document. >>> >>> I occasionally encounter a similar problem with NVDA, which I have >>> come to prefer over JAWS, but usually only when using CTRL+Page Down. >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 7/24/19, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw wrote: >>>> I'll try but that might not be possible given my employer. >>>> >>>>> On 7/24/19, Rahul Bajaj wrote: >>>>> If possible, I’d be grateful if you could keep me in the loop in any >>>>> advocacy effort that you might initiate to get this issue rectified. >>>>> It >>>>> was >>>>> a significant impediment for me last academic year, and I would like >>>>> to >>>>> help >>>>> in getting it addressed. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 6:05 PM, Laura Wolk wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Perfect. Thanks, Rahul! >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 7:56 AM, Rahul Bajaj >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I may have been using 2018 at the time. But I have confirmed that >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> problem does not go away with updating jaws. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> R >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 4:45 PM, Laura Wolk >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Rahul, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My recollection is that you weren't using the latest version of >>>>>>>> Jaws. >>>>>>>> Is >>>>>>>> that not correct? >>>>>>>> I am autotagging and recognizing the documents within Adobe myself, >>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> don't think that's the problem. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Laura >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 7:07 AM, Rahul Bajaj >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Laura, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You might recall that I had complained about this when our track >>>>>>>>> changes conversation was underway. This has become a huge problem. >>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>> have corresponded with the head of adobe accessibility, one Robert >>>>>>>>> something. He attributes this to pdfs being improperly tagged, but >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> does not explain why this problem is suddenly surfacing now. >>>>>>>>> Vispero >>>>>>>>> says that adobe is responsible for this. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> One workaround is to go to open with and select word and the doc >>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>> open as a word document. For many docs, however, jaws thinks they >>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>> no content when this is done. So then you have to view them as >>>>>>>>> html >>>>>>>>> documents as email attachments. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 3:33 PM, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> All, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I am using Adobe far more frequently than I have in the passed, >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> either I am doing something wrong, or Jaws is far less stable >>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>> Adobe than it used to be. Does anyone else have the issue, using >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> latest version of Jaws, of Jaws randomly losing its focus and >>>>>>>>>> flipping >>>>>>>>>> to other parts of the document? This has been frequently >>>>>>>>>> happening >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> me, both when using the arrows/page up/down to navigate and with >>>>>>>>>> using >>>>>>>>>> say all. Again, I'm only interested in experiences with the >>>>>>>>>> latest >>>>>>>>>> version of Jaws. But if you are having this experience, please >>>>>>>>>> let >>>>>>>>>> me >>>>>>>>>> know at your earliest convenience and I will try getting it >>>>>>>>>> addressed. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Laura >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fblindlaw_nfbnet.org&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6458a8ece2e84b6565e008d710475447%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636995770845830192&sdata=pNEZ%2FecUBVWwXjWmn4zseb8S5TQZaB2Om%2B4E5xZXWwc%3D&reserved=0 >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>>>>>> https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Fblindlaw_nfbnet.org%2Frahul.bajaj1038%2540gmail.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6458a8ece2e84b6565e008d710475447%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636995770845830192&sdata=%2B0%2BDtaKZfVUuvALVJfmc2VZZkInq4eAGy%2BI%2FQdYUkKk%3D&reserved=0 >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>> https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fblindlaw_nfbnet.org&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6458a8ece2e84b6565e008d710475447%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636995770845830192&sdata=pNEZ%2FecUBVWwXjWmn4zseb8S5TQZaB2Om%2B4E5xZXWwc%3D&reserved=0 >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> BlindLaw: >>>> https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Fblindlaw_nfbnet.org%2Fkelbycarlson%2540gmail.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6458a8ece2e84b6565e008d710475447%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636995770845830192&sdata=EsnjviQ0xmL%2FDfBi17BmsiHsOiribNYwRGiKZzL3Vy0%3D&reserved=0 >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Kelby Carlson >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fblindlaw_nfbnet.org&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6458a8ece2e84b6565e008d710475447%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636995770845840197&sdata=gFLPCphkTdw4h5goricSaynFcHIFzPhKP7uf%2B0zEuvI%3D&reserved=0 >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Fblindlaw_nfbnet.org%2Flaura.wolk%2540gmail.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6458a8ece2e84b6565e008d710475447%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636995770845840197&sdata=w6P7dDwR8kDwZ%2FXM2xsFmjN%2F41qlAH0eq2Ldcqb6nl4%3D&reserved=0 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fblindlaw_nfbnet.org&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6458a8ece2e84b6565e008d710475447%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636995770845840197&sdata=gFLPCphkTdw4h5goricSaynFcHIFzPhKP7uf%2B0zEuvI%3D&reserved=0 >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Fblindlaw_nfbnet.org%2Fsteve.jacobson%2540outlook.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C6458a8ece2e84b6565e008d710475447%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636995770845840197&sdata=AyiigbnU3Rp%2FIQYOWLHxWNg4LyyMA0kzNSCr8oTOY2c%3D&reserved=0 >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/laura.wolk%40gmail.com > From rodalcidonis at gmail.com Wed Jul 24 20:51:47 2019 From: rodalcidonis at gmail.com (rodalcidonis at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 16:51:47 -0400 Subject: [blindLaw] Adobe and jaws In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3102AA546D0F4807B9B9A6B56F4BDE8C@LAPTOPD7H4OV38> Yes. That has been happening for a few months now. Rod Alcidonis, Esq. -----Original Message----- From: Laura Wolk via BlindLaw Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2019 6:03 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Laura Wolk Subject: [blindLaw] Adobe and jaws All, I am using Adobe far more frequently than I have in the passed, and either I am doing something wrong, or Jaws is far less stable with Adobe than it used to be. Does anyone else have the issue, using the latest version of Jaws, of Jaws randomly losing its focus and flipping to other parts of the document? This has been frequently happening to me, both when using the arrows/page up/down to navigate and with using say all. Again, I'm only interested in experiences with the latest version of Jaws. But if you are having this experience, please let me know at your earliest convenience and I will try getting it addressed. Thanks, Laura _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rodalcidonis%40gmail.com From paezja at mail.broward.edu Wed Jul 24 22:13:00 2019 From: paezja at mail.broward.edu (Jorge Paez) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 22:13:00 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] LSAT practice In-Reply-To: References: <27DA2A02-FCDD-43A5-898B-080449503C05@gmail.com> Message-ID: <001EF78A-4DDC-46C3-9C86-540FD7736D0A@mail.broward.edu> Not sure, I’m using VoiceOver. However I’ve used Chrome with JAWS before pretty well so I imagine Khan Academy will be pretty accessible if not totally. > On Jul 24, 2019, at 10:20 AM, Julie McGinnity via BlindLaw wrote: > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside of Broward College. DO NOT click links or open attachments unless are expecting the information and you recognize the sender. > ________________________________ > > How well does Khan Academy work with Jaws? > > Julie > > > On 7/24/19, Lakeria Taylor via BlindLaw wrote: >> Hi, >> I created my LSAC Account and emailed them to get in accessible practice >> test. I would also recommend power score. All of the books for power score >> are on book share. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jul 23, 2019, at 10:43 AM, Jorge Paez via BlindLaw >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi everyone. >>> Anyone know any resource where I can prep for the LSAT with an actual >>> test? >>> I’ve found apps that will do specific parts of it in flash card form, or >>> you can take a 30 minute reading/logic etc. sample but I haven’t found a >>> way to do a sim where it’d let you take the whole test. >>> My idea is to take a practice LSAT and see what score I would get right >>> now, to have a baseline to study from. >>> I tried looking into the LSAC itself but they only give you practice >>> materials if you have already scheduled an exam, something I don’t want to >>> do since I’m aiming for a 165 and I hear taking the LSAT more then once is >>> frowned on by law schools. >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Jorge >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fblindlaw_nfbnet.org&data=02%7C01%7Cpaezja%40mail.broward.edu%7C9131e5c71da84446270a08d710423b44%7C7bd8e62933bc43c4870ccd3841be1658%7C0%7C0%7C636995748960509670&sdata=1bKEFkj8FSNE5ejqgOLFX%2BQhPPEnGQ7mpKiB%2Ftf5NZw%3D&reserved=0= >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Fblindlaw_nfbnet.org%2Flakeria2009%2540gmail.com&data=02%7C01%7Cpaezja%40mail.broward.edu%7C9131e5c71da84446270a08d710423b44%7C7bd8e62933bc43c4870ccd3841be1658%7C0%7C0%7C636995748960509670&sdata=Q2PPlxyFNhRXPvNsPpiIPw9giuF3iIxTd3Rxqr%2BFHRw%3D&reserved=0= >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fblindlaw_nfbnet.org&data=02%7C01%7Cpaezja%40mail.broward.edu%7C9131e5c71da84446270a08d710423b44%7C7bd8e62933bc43c4870ccd3841be1658%7C0%7C0%7C636995748960509670&sdata=1bKEFkj8FSNE5ejqgOLFX%2BQhPPEnGQ7mpKiB%2Ftf5NZw%3D&reserved=0= >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Fblindlaw_nfbnet.org%2Fkaybaycar%2540gmail.com&data=02%7C01%7Cpaezja%40mail.broward.edu%7C9131e5c71da84446270a08d710423b44%7C7bd8e62933bc43c4870ccd3841be1658%7C0%7C0%7C636995748960509670&sdata=lxfTIIXz9ScqlaMMQWzyyTP5E4zKfx4Wf6CGxJIq1FQ%3D&reserved=0= >> > > > -- > Julie A. McGinnity > MM Vocal Performance, 2015; President, National Federation of the > Blind Performing Arts Division; First Vice President, National > Federation of the Blind of Missouri > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fblindlaw_nfbnet.org&data=02%7C01%7Cpaezja%40mail.broward.edu%7C9131e5c71da84446270a08d710423b44%7C7bd8e62933bc43c4870ccd3841be1658%7C0%7C0%7C636995748960509670&sdata=1bKEFkj8FSNE5ejqgOLFX%2BQhPPEnGQ7mpKiB%2Ftf5NZw%3D&reserved=0= > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Fblindlaw_nfbnet.org%2Fpaezja%2540mail.broward.edu&data=02%7C01%7Cpaezja%40mail.broward.edu%7C9131e5c71da84446270a08d710423b44%7C7bd8e62933bc43c4870ccd3841be1658%7C0%7C0%7C636995748960519668&sdata=bBznnTvHpBrK7hgoIi4jkosgCe6czHfxjvcXWjuLDuA%3D&reserved=0= From davant1958 at gmail.com Thu Jul 25 12:58:14 2019 From: davant1958 at gmail.com (davant1958 at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 07:58:14 -0500 Subject: [blindLaw] FW: ACCEPTING APPLICATIONS | CJS Diversity & Inclusion Fellowship Program In-Reply-To: <2613-800620135.28114.1563979814271@CHG-MAESTRO-01> References: <2613-800620135.28114.1563979814271@CHG-MAESTRO-01> Message-ID: <007301d542e8$a0700740$e15015c0$@gmail.com> Please see below. 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My question is, for those of you who have accessed them via school how do you get access to them? Do you need to buy an access code or do they give you a link or something? Thanks, Jorge From ericaturner203012 at gmail.com Thu Jul 25 16:05:36 2019 From: ericaturner203012 at gmail.com (Erica Turner) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 12:05:36 -0400 Subject: [blindLaw] Online tools In-Reply-To: <9F27DEDC-EBEA-4710-828D-D11F6BF2302B@mail.broward.edu> References: <9F27DEDC-EBEA-4710-828D-D11F6BF2302B@mail.broward.edu> Message-ID: Hi... I believe that you have to have an access code to access them. I hope that this helps. “A good lawyer, just like a good poker player, must always keep his cards close to his chest.” ― Mallika Nawal Erica Turner, (904)881-1168 (cell) ericaturner203012 at gmail.com (personal email) literatureandme2379 at gmail.com (personal email) On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 11:46 AM Jorge Paez via BlindLaw < blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: > Hello all: > So, I’m taking several elective classes in Legal Studies, and one of them > is research/law libraries. > I just finished reading an email from my professor where she told me she > uses West Law, CaseText and FastCase. > My question is, for those of you who have accessed them via school how do > you get access to them? > Do you need to buy an access code or do they give you a link or something? > > Thanks, > > Jorge > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ericaturner203012%40gmail.com > From maurakutnyak at gmail.com Thu Jul 25 16:08:44 2019 From: maurakutnyak at gmail.com (Maura Kutnyak) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 12:08:44 -0400 Subject: [blindLaw] Online tools In-Reply-To: <9F27DEDC-EBEA-4710-828D-D11F6BF2302B@mail.broward.edu> References: <9F27DEDC-EBEA-4710-828D-D11F6BF2302B@mail.broward.edu> Message-ID: <261E3D47-CB15-4940-96CB-E90BBB393FE3@gmail.com> They should be available through your school’s library. Have you explored its website? Sincerely, Maura Kutnyak 716-563-9882 > On Jul 25, 2019, at 11:45 AM, Jorge Paez via BlindLaw wrote: > > Hello all: > So, I’m taking several elective classes in Legal Studies, and one of them is research/law libraries. > I just finished reading an email from my professor where she told me she uses West Law, CaseText and FastCase. > My question is, for those of you who have accessed them via school how do you get access to them? > Do you need to buy an access code or do they give you a link or something? > > Thanks, > > Jorge > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/maurakutnyak%40gmail.com From dandrews920 at comcast.net Thu Jul 25 22:36:11 2019 From: dandrews920 at comcast.net (David Andrews) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 17:36:11 -0500 Subject: [blindLaw] Adobe and jaws In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Make sure you are using the Adobe Reader DC program, not the web plug-in. This means you will have to download PDF's now read on-line, but in the past, the stand-alone product behaved better than the web plug-ins. Dave At 05:03 AM 7/24/2019, you wrote: >All, > >I am using Adobe far more frequently than I have in the passed, and >either I am doing something wrong, or Jaws is far less stable with >Adobe than it used to be. Does anyone else have the issue, using the >latest version of Jaws, of Jaws randomly losing its focus and flipping >to other parts of the document? This has been frequently happening to >me, both when using the arrows/page up/down to navigate and with using >say all. Again, I'm only interested in experiences with the latest >version of Jaws. But if you are having this experience, please let me >know at your earliest convenience and I will try getting it addressed. > >Thanks, > >Laura From shanew at outlook.com Thu Jul 25 22:42:37 2019 From: shanew at outlook.com (Shane Wegner) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 22:42:37 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] Adobe and jaws In-Reply-To: <6d5ec1bc-3c28-4117-b812-b6707d8ca96b@CO1NAM04FT050.eop-NAM04.prod.protection.outlook.com> References: , <6d5ec1bc-3c28-4117-b812-b6707d8ca96b@CO1NAM04FT050.eop-NAM04.prod.protection.outlook.com> Message-ID: Hi Laura, yes i'm getting this too. i'm using latest JAWS and Adobe Acrobat DC Pro. Jumping will happen as i read a pdf or if i alt tab away and back, my place is often lost. Shane Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 25, 2019, at 17:39, David Andrews via BlindLaw wrote: > > Make sure you are using the Adobe Reader DC program, not the web plug-in. This means you will have to download PDF's now read on-line, but in the past, the stand-alone product behaved better than the web plug-ins. > > Dave > > At 05:03 AM 7/24/2019, you wrote: >> All, >> >> I am using Adobe far more frequently than I have in the passed, and >> either I am doing something wrong, or Jaws is far less stable with >> Adobe than it used to be. Does anyone else have the issue, using the >> latest version of Jaws, of Jaws randomly losing its focus and flipping >> to other parts of the document? This has been frequently happening to >> me, both when using the arrows/page up/down to navigate and with using >> say all. Again, I'm only interested in experiences with the latest >> version of Jaws. But if you are having this experience, please let me >> know at your earliest convenience and I will try getting it addressed. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Laura > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/shanew%40outlook.com From howardadelsberg at gmail.com Thu Jul 25 23:19:41 2019 From: howardadelsberg at gmail.com (Howard Adelsberg) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 19:19:41 -0400 Subject: [blindLaw] Adobe and jaws In-Reply-To: References: <6d5ec1bc-3c28-4117-b812-b6707d8ca96b@CO1NAM04FT050.eop-NAM04.prod.protection.outlook.com> Message-ID: I have the same problem as Shane > On Jul 25, 2019, at 6:42 PM, Shane Wegner via BlindLaw wrote: > > Hi Laura, > yes i'm getting this too. i'm using latest JAWS and Adobe Acrobat DC Pro. Jumping will happen as i read a pdf or if i alt tab away and back, my place is often lost. > Shane > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 25, 2019, at 17:39, David Andrews via BlindLaw wrote: >> >> Make sure you are using the Adobe Reader DC program, not the web plug-in. This means you will have to download PDF's now read on-line, but in the past, the stand-alone product behaved better than the web plug-ins. >> >> Dave >> >> At 05:03 AM 7/24/2019, you wrote: >>> All, >>> >>> I am using Adobe far more frequently than I have in the passed, and >>> either I am doing something wrong, or Jaws is far less stable with >>> Adobe than it used to be. Does anyone else have the issue, using the >>> latest version of Jaws, of Jaws randomly losing its focus and flipping >>> to other parts of the document? This has been frequently happening to >>> me, both when using the arrows/page up/down to navigate and with using >>> say all. Again, I'm only interested in experiences with the latest >>> version of Jaws. But if you are having this experience, please let me >>> know at your earliest convenience and I will try getting it addressed. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Laura >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/shanew%40outlook.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/howardadelsberg%40gmail.com From kyra.sweeney94 at gmail.com Thu Jul 25 23:48:36 2019 From: kyra.sweeney94 at gmail.com (Kyra Sweeney) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 16:48:36 -0700 Subject: [blindLaw] ExamSoft Accessibility Message-ID: <01DD346D-0B97-46ED-BFA7-46C69A872A27@gmail.com> Hello all, Does anyone know if ExamSoft is accessible using either JAWS or NVDA? My searches on this list and Google seem to indicate that it isn't, but just want to be sure. Are there any alternatives, besides Microsoft Word, that I should request to use instead? Thanks, Kyra Sweeney From derekjdittmar at gmail.com Thu Jul 25 23:57:25 2019 From: derekjdittmar at gmail.com (Derek Dittmar) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 19:57:25 -0400 Subject: [blindLaw] ExamSoft Accessibility In-Reply-To: <01DD346D-0B97-46ED-BFA7-46C69A872A27@gmail.com> References: <01DD346D-0B97-46ED-BFA7-46C69A872A27@gmail.com> Message-ID: I don't think examsoft is accessible, no. I'm using word and JAWS next week. Happy to talk to you off list about accommodation requests for UBE.... after next week. :) On 7/25/19, Kyra Sweeney via BlindLaw wrote: > Hello all, > Does anyone know if ExamSoft is accessible using either JAWS or NVDA? My > searches on this list and Google seem to indicate that it isn't, but just > want to be sure. Are there any alternatives, besides Microsoft Word, that I > should request to use instead? > Thanks, > Kyra Sweeney > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/derekjdittmar%40gmail.com > From shanew at outlook.com Fri Jul 26 01:14:15 2019 From: shanew at outlook.com (Shane Wegner) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 01:14:15 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] ExamSoft Accessibility In-Reply-To: References: <01DD346D-0B97-46ED-BFA7-46C69A872A27@gmail.com>, Message-ID: my school tells me it will be jaws compatible in the fall of this year. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 25, 2019, at 18:58, Derek Dittmar via BlindLaw wrote: > > I don't think examsoft is accessible, no. I'm using word and JAWS next > week. Happy to talk to you off list about accommodation requests for > UBE.... after next week. :) > >> On 7/25/19, Kyra Sweeney via BlindLaw wrote: >> Hello all, >> Does anyone know if ExamSoft is accessible using either JAWS or NVDA? My >> searches on this list and Google seem to indicate that it isn't, but just >> want to be sure. Are there any alternatives, besides Microsoft Word, that I >> should request to use instead? >> Thanks, >> Kyra Sweeney >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/derekjdittmar%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/shanew%40outlook.com From jameyanne at gmail.com Fri Jul 26 13:26:38 2019 From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 09:26:38 -0400 Subject: [blindLaw] ExamSoft Accessibility In-Reply-To: References: <01DD346D-0B97-46ED-BFA7-46C69A872A27@gmail.com>, Message-ID: <002601d543b5$c17b9120$4472b360$@gmail.com> I'm using Examplify next week, and that's made by examsoft. When I asked for other accommodations I was told ExamSoft would be accessible with JAWS, and it worked pretty well when I did the mock exam. So fingers crossed. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Shane Wegner via BlindLaw Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 9:14 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Shane Wegner Subject: Re: [blindLaw] ExamSoft Accessibility my school tells me it will be jaws compatible in the fall of this year. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 25, 2019, at 18:58, Derek Dittmar via BlindLaw wrote: > > I don't think examsoft is accessible, no. I'm using word and JAWS next > week. Happy to talk to you off list about accommodation requests for > UBE.... after next week. :) > >> On 7/25/19, Kyra Sweeney via BlindLaw wrote: >> Hello all, >> Does anyone know if ExamSoft is accessible using either JAWS or NVDA? >> My searches on this list and Google seem to indicate that it isn't, >> but just want to be sure. Are there any alternatives, besides >> Microsoft Word, that I should request to use instead? >> Thanks, >> Kyra Sweeney >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/derekjdittmar%4 >> 0gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/shanew%40outlook > .com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com From kyra.sweeney94 at gmail.com Fri Jul 26 14:35:36 2019 From: kyra.sweeney94 at gmail.com (Kyra Sweeney) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 08:35:36 -0600 Subject: [blindLaw] ExamSoft Accessibility In-Reply-To: <002601d543b5$c17b9120$4472b360$@gmail.com> References: <01DD346D-0B97-46ED-BFA7-46C69A872A27@gmail.com> <002601d543b5$c17b9120$4472b360$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0554392B-FB90-40B5-8426-0C4A547B2B06@gmail.com> Thanks all! Jameyanne, great to know that Examplify seemed to work. Hopefully that is what my school uses. Good luck next week! > On Jul 26, 2019, at 7:26 AM, Jameyanne Fuller via BlindLaw wrote: > > I'm using Examplify next week, and that's made by examsoft. When I asked for > other accommodations I was told ExamSoft would be accessible with JAWS, and > it worked pretty well when I did the mock exam. So fingers crossed. > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Shane Wegner via > BlindLaw > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 9:14 PM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Shane Wegner > Subject: Re: [blindLaw] ExamSoft Accessibility > > my school tells me it will be jaws compatible in the fall of this year. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 25, 2019, at 18:58, Derek Dittmar via BlindLaw > wrote: >> >> I don't think examsoft is accessible, no. I'm using word and JAWS next >> week. Happy to talk to you off list about accommodation requests for >> UBE.... after next week. :) >> >>> On 7/25/19, Kyra Sweeney via BlindLaw wrote: >>> Hello all, >>> Does anyone know if ExamSoft is accessible using either JAWS or NVDA? >>> My searches on this list and Google seem to indicate that it isn't, >>> but just want to be sure. Are there any alternatives, besides >>> Microsoft Word, that I should request to use instead? >>> Thanks, >>> Kyra Sweeney >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/derekjdittmar%4 >>> 0gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/shanew%40outlook >> .com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kyra.sweeney94%40gmail.com From morgaynemulkern at gmail.com Fri Jul 26 15:22:10 2019 From: morgaynemulkern at gmail.com (Morgan Mulkernm) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 11:22:10 -0400 Subject: [blindLaw] ExamSoft Accessibility In-Reply-To: <0554392B-FB90-40B5-8426-0C4A547B2B06@gmail.com> References: <01DD346D-0B97-46ED-BFA7-46C69A872A27@gmail.com> <002601d543b5$c17b9120$4472b360$@gmail.com> <0554392B-FB90-40B5-8426-0C4A547B2B06@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8B4D419F-D4EA-4832-9B8E-CCE62D966F61@gmail.com> hello everyone! I don't know if this is helpful at all, but my law school gave me an accommodation to take my exams on a special computer they provided in a disability lab, they install jaws on it. instead of exam soft. Exam soft it's not very accessible at least it wasn't when I was there. Didn't want to deal with the additional stress. Hope that helps and you can get a workaround or accommodation if you need it! Mo Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 26, 2019, at 10:35 AM, Kyra Sweeney via BlindLaw wrote: > > Thanks all! Jameyanne, great to know that Examplify seemed to work. Hopefully that is what my school uses. Good luck next week! > >> On Jul 26, 2019, at 7:26 AM, Jameyanne Fuller via BlindLaw wrote: >> >> I'm using Examplify next week, and that's made by examsoft. When I asked for >> other accommodations I was told ExamSoft would be accessible with JAWS, and >> it worked pretty well when I did the mock exam. So fingers crossed. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Shane Wegner via >> BlindLaw >> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 9:14 PM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Cc: Shane Wegner >> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] ExamSoft Accessibility >> >> my school tells me it will be jaws compatible in the fall of this year. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jul 25, 2019, at 18:58, Derek Dittmar via BlindLaw >> wrote: >>> >>> I don't think examsoft is accessible, no. I'm using word and JAWS next >>> week. Happy to talk to you off list about accommodation requests for >>> UBE.... after next week. :) >>> >>>> On 7/25/19, Kyra Sweeney via BlindLaw wrote: >>>> Hello all, >>>> Does anyone know if ExamSoft is accessible using either JAWS or NVDA? >>>> My searches on this list and Google seem to indicate that it isn't, >>>> but just want to be sure. Are there any alternatives, besides >>>> Microsoft Word, that I should request to use instead? >>>> Thanks, >>>> Kyra Sweeney >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> BlindLaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/derekjdittmar%4 >>>> 0gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/shanew%40outlook >>> .com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >> https://www.avg.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kyra.sweeney94%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/morgaynemulkern%40gmail.com From slabarre at labarrelaw.com Fri Jul 26 15:45:23 2019 From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. 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Just wondering how flexible they are about patching things up once the request is submitted. Sincerely, Maura Kutnyak 716-563-9882 > On Jul 26, 2019, at 11:22 AM, Morgan Mulkernm via BlindLaw wrote: > > hello everyone! I don't know if this is helpful at all, but my law school gave me an accommodation to take my exams on a special computer they provided in a disability lab, they install jaws on it. instead of exam soft. Exam soft it's not very accessible at least it wasn't when I was there. Didn't want to deal with the additional stress. Hope that helps and you can get a workaround or accommodation if you need it! > Mo > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 26, 2019, at 10:35 AM, Kyra Sweeney via BlindLaw wrote: >> >> Thanks all! Jameyanne, great to know that Examplify seemed to work. Hopefully that is what my school uses. Good luck next week! >> >>> On Jul 26, 2019, at 7:26 AM, Jameyanne Fuller via BlindLaw wrote: >>> >>> I'm using Examplify next week, and that's made by examsoft. When I asked for >>> other accommodations I was told ExamSoft would be accessible with JAWS, and >>> it worked pretty well when I did the mock exam. So fingers crossed. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Shane Wegner via >>> BlindLaw >>> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 9:14 PM >>> To: Blind Law Mailing List >>> Cc: Shane Wegner >>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] ExamSoft Accessibility >>> >>> my school tells me it will be jaws compatible in the fall of this year. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Jul 25, 2019, at 18:58, Derek Dittmar via BlindLaw >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I don't think examsoft is accessible, no. I'm using word and JAWS next >>>> week. Happy to talk to you off list about accommodation requests for >>>> UBE.... after next week. :) >>>> >>>>> On 7/25/19, Kyra Sweeney via BlindLaw wrote: >>>>> Hello all, >>>>> Does anyone know if ExamSoft is accessible using either JAWS or NVDA? >>>>> My searches on this list and Google seem to indicate that it isn't, >>>>> but just want to be sure. Are there any alternatives, besides >>>>> Microsoft Word, that I should request to use instead? >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Kyra Sweeney >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/derekjdittmar%4 >>>>> 0gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/shanew%40outlook >>>> .com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> --- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >>> https://www.avg.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kyra.sweeney94%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/morgaynemulkern%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/maurakutnyak%40gmail.com From shah.maitreya32 at gmail.com Fri Jul 26 22:34:57 2019 From: shah.maitreya32 at gmail.com (Maitreya Shah) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 18:34:57 -0400 Subject: [blindLaw] NY Bar enrolment with an Indian Bachelor's degree Message-ID: Hello, I don't know if this's a long shot, but is there someone who's taken the New York Bar with an Indian Law degree, and is litigating/ working there? I have a few doubts. Any leads would be appreciated. -- Maitreya Shah (he/ him) Final Year-B.A. LL.B (Hons.) Gujarat National Law University +91 8690943237 +91 8320964462 From blindstein at gmail.com Fri Jul 26 22:40:26 2019 From: blindstein at gmail.com (Justin Harford) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 15:40:26 -0700 Subject: [blindLaw] NY Bar enrolment with an Indian Bachelor's degree In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I hope replies get sent to the list for this. I had always wondered if one could obtain a law degree for more affordable overseas and passed the bar in the USA. Seems like as long as the country had a curriculum focused around The English rather than the Roman law model that would be acceptable. Thoughts? Then again, they say that law school is so theoretical, maybe there are international degrees that would essentially give you the same thinking and processing skills and you would simply come back to the USA with the same requirements to study for the bar as anyone else. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 26, 2019, at 3:34 PM, Maitreya Shah via BlindLaw wrote: > > Hello, > > I don't know if this's a long shot, but is there someone who's taken > the New York Bar with an Indian Law degree, and is litigating/ working > there? > > I have a few doubts. Any leads would be appreciated. > > -- > Maitreya Shah (he/ him) > Final Year-B.A. LL.B (Hons.) > Gujarat National Law University > +91 8690943237 > +91 8320964462 > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/blindstein%40gmail.com From NSingh at cov.com Fri Jul 26 22:48:17 2019 From: NSingh at cov.com (Singh, Nandini) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 22:48:17 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] NY Bar enrolment with an Indian Bachelor's degree In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1c5a8ef28a074fac9ca40810798b1ece@CBIvEX03eUS.cov.com> I have not heard of that, but that is not to say it cannot be done. You would first have to check the rules of admission to the NY bar to determine what the state does with law degrees from jurisdictions outside the U.S. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Maitreya Shah via BlindLaw Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 6:35 PM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Cc: Maitreya Shah Subject: [blindLaw] NY Bar enrolment with an Indian Bachelor's degree Hello, I don't know if this's a long shot, but is there someone who's taken the New York Bar with an Indian Law degree, and is litigating/ working there? I have a few doubts. Any leads would be appreciated. -- Maitreya Shah (he/ him) Final Year-B.A. LL.B (Hons.) Gujarat National Law University +91 8690943237 +91 8320964462 _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/nsingh%40cov.com From ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com Sat Jul 27 03:34:42 2019 From: ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com (Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 21:34:42 -0600 Subject: [blindLaw] NY Bar enrolment with an Indian Bachelor's degree In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00c401d5442c$3a9f0ed0$afdd2c70$@com> Mr. Shah, First, the United States is a unique country when it comes to licensure for practice in both the legal and medical professions. Each state has its own licensing processes and procedures. Second, are you currently in the United States or planning to visit or relocate here sometime soon? You can't accomplish much of anything outside the country when it comes to being admitted to the Bar. Third, have you had any professional practice credentials under your belt Some states require this. Lastly, your transcripts from your previous college will need to be evaluated by an evaluation service and results obtained sent to the bar association in the state of your choice. For this purpose, your college must be prepared to SEND YOUR TRANSCRIPTS directly to the evaluation service utilized by the state of your choice. Some states will only accept transcription evaluations from WES--World Education Services, some others allow you to choose from amongst three. Additionally, you may be required to take a certain number of courses for purposes of ensuring that you are well-grounded with regards to your understanding of the American legal system. These courses may have to be taken in an ABA-approved U.S. college (university) otherwise satisfying the requirements for licensure as a foreign graduate lawyer seeking bar admission in a U.S. state could be tough. Visiting the website for the bar association in your chosen state is a great idea because 100% of the information you're seeking will be there for your perusal. Good luck with the decision-making process, all the best! Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado From ccmlhe at gmail.com Sat Jul 27 05:50:34 2019 From: ccmlhe at gmail.com (ccmlhe at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2019 01:50:34 -0400 Subject: [blindLaw] Using autopsy results as evidence? Message-ID: <6E4A077D-C822-42E6-A40D-44B6BE43831C@gmail.com> Hello, my name is Cecilia Martinez, and I am considering going to Law school to become a criminal lawyer. I was however wondering how blind lawyers use used autopsy results as evidence? I understand that their notes taken during the procedure, but that photographs and videos are a very important part as well. Cecilia Sent from my iPhone From dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net Sat Jul 27 15:49:47 2019 From: dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net (Daniel McBride) Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2019 10:49:47 -0500 Subject: [blindLaw] Using autopsy results as evidence? In-Reply-To: <6E4A077D-C822-42E6-A40D-44B6BE43831C@gmail.com> References: <6E4A077D-C822-42E6-A40D-44B6BE43831C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <001501d54492$eb7735f0$c265a1d0$@sbcglobal.net> Good Morning Cecilia: I am a blind attorney in Fort Worth, Texas. I entered law school in 1979, wanting to be a criminal defense lawyer. I spent 23 years in the criminal field, 3 years as a prosecutor and 20 years as a criminal defense attorney. For the past 12 years, I have gotten away from the criminal field and become more of an Estate Planning & Probate attorney. Considering factors such as level of difficulty, the stress involved, dealing with clients and their families and income, I would recommend considering a field other than criminal law. There are other fields of practice that are far less difficult, less stressful and more profitable. This opinion would be different if one could secure a prosecutor's position with a view to making it a lifelong career. The prosecutor's side is far easier than the defense side with the exception of the caseload one might be required to manage in a particular prosecutor's office. For example, I last interviewed for a prosecutor's position in 2012, with the Tarrant County District Attorney's office. During the interview, I asked about the caseload that each prosecutor would be expected to manage. The answer was a consistent caseload of 750 cases. Well, quite frankly, there's no way I could have managed such a caseload. I kindly withdrew my interest and thanked the hiring panel for their time. Other's might disagree with my opinion, but that is my two cents worth and I offer it in all sincerity for what it's worth. I am glad to discuss this with you off-list if you wish. Daniel McBride dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net 817 917 8847 -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cecilia Martinez via BlindLaw Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2019 12:51 AM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Cc: ccmlhe at gmail.com Subject: [blindLaw] Using autopsy results as evidence? Hello, my name is Cecilia Martinez, and I am considering going to Law school to become a criminal lawyer. I was however wondering how blind lawyers use used autopsy results as evidence? I understand that their notes taken during the procedure, but that photographs and videos are a very important part as well. Cecilia Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dlmlaw%40sbcglobal.net From rothmanjd at gmail.com Sat Jul 27 16:14:50 2019 From: rothmanjd at gmail.com (Ronza Othman) Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2019 11:14:50 -0500 Subject: [blindLaw] Using autopsy results as evidence? In-Reply-To: <001501d54492$eb7735f0$c265a1d0$@sbcglobal.net> References: <6E4A077D-C822-42E6-A40D-44B6BE43831C@gmail.com> <001501d54492$eb7735f0$c265a1d0$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Hi, I was a prosecutor and also a defense attorney for several years and used autopsy and other photographic and physical evidence quite extensively full-time my recommendation is to make sure that you have access to a human reader who can help you both understand what the evidence shows and also help you set it up if needed in a quart room so you can show a jury or factfinder. I also know probably about a dozen blind prosecutors and defense attorneys who have handled all kinds of cases and criminal law and they do a great job, loving it. You may also want to be sure you have good technology and braille skills so that you can read your own notes. I did manage a caseload of about 3000 cases when I was a prosecutor, and it was definitely manageable. Let me know if you would like me to introduce you to anyone who is still working in that field. Ronza Othman, President National Federation of the Blind of Maryland 443-426-4110 Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 27, 2019, at 10:49 AM, Daniel McBride via BlindLaw wrote: > > Good Morning Cecilia: > > I am a blind attorney in Fort Worth, Texas. I entered law school in 1979, > wanting to be a criminal defense lawyer. I spent 23 years in the criminal > field, 3 years as a prosecutor and 20 years as a criminal defense attorney. > For the past 12 years, I have gotten away from the criminal field and become > more of an Estate Planning & Probate attorney. > > Considering factors such as level of difficulty, the stress involved, > dealing with clients and their families and income, I would recommend > considering a field other than criminal law. There are other fields of > practice that are far less difficult, less stressful and more profitable. > > This opinion would be different if one could secure a prosecutor's position > with a view to making it a lifelong career. The prosecutor's side is far > easier than the defense side with the exception of the caseload one might be > required to manage in a particular prosecutor's office. > > For example, I last interviewed for a prosecutor's position in 2012, with > the Tarrant County District Attorney's office. During the interview, I asked > about the caseload that each prosecutor would be expected to manage. The > answer was a consistent caseload of 750 cases. Well, quite frankly, there's > no way I could have managed such a caseload. I kindly withdrew my interest > and thanked the hiring panel for their time. > > Other's might disagree with my opinion, but that is my two cents worth and I > offer it in all sincerity for what it's worth. I am glad to discuss this > with you off-list if you wish. > > Daniel McBride > dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net > 817 917 8847 > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cecilia > Martinez via BlindLaw > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2019 12:51 AM > To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org > Cc: ccmlhe at gmail.com > Subject: [blindLaw] Using autopsy results as evidence? > > Hello, my name is Cecilia Martinez, and I am considering going to Law school > to become a criminal lawyer. I was however wondering how blind lawyers use > used autopsy results as evidence? I understand that their notes taken during > the procedure, but that photographs and videos are a very important part as > well. > > Cecilia > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dlmlaw%40sbcglobal.net > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rothmanjd%40gmail.com From shah.maitreya32 at gmail.com Sat Jul 27 16:39:25 2019 From: shah.maitreya32 at gmail.com (Maitreya Shah) Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2019 12:39:25 -0400 Subject: [blindLaw] NY Bar enrolment with an Indian Bachelor's degree In-Reply-To: <00c401d5442c$3a9f0ed0$afdd2c70$@com> References: <00c401d5442c$3a9f0ed0$afdd2c70$@com> Message-ID: Hi Olusegun, 1. I am fully aware of how American licensing processes work, especially license to practice in a particular state. (reason why I specifically said New York and not United States as a whole) 2. I am planning to relocate here, and hence looking out for possible career options. 3. I think I qualify all the criteria mentioned here- https://www.nybarexam.org/foreign/foreignlegaleducation.htm (yet, I’ll submit an assessment application with the office) 4. Transcripts won’t be an issue; I’m studying in an internationally recognized University, and the administration is quite cooperative for these things. Acceptance of those transcripts is probably a question of the actual process, which I think can be sorted out. 5. If the results of the assessment application tell me to pursue an LLM degree in a US Law school first to meet with the requirement, I think it’ll solve the problem of any missing courses/ credits. I know a few lawyers from India who have taken this path before. My primary objective behind writing an email in this list is to find someone who’s working in US with an Indian degree and a license to practice, who would be able to give me an overview of the interplay of these circumstances with their disability. But I really appreciate the information. Thank you so much for the help, and the good wishes! On 7/26/19, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via BlindLaw wrote: > Mr. Shah, First, the United States is a unique country when it comes to > licensure for practice in both the legal and medical professions. Each > state has its own licensing processes and procedures. > > Second, are you currently in the United States or planning to visit or > relocate here sometime soon? You can't accomplish much of anything outside > the country when it comes to being admitted to the Bar. > > Third, have you had any professional practice credentials under your belt > Some states require this. > > Lastly, your transcripts from your previous college will need to be > evaluated by an evaluation service and results obtained sent to the bar > association in the state of your choice. For this purpose, your college > must be prepared to SEND YOUR TRANSCRIPTS directly to the evaluation > service > utilized by the state of your choice. Some states will only accept > transcription evaluations from WES--World Education Services, some others > allow you to choose from amongst three. Additionally, you may be required > to take a certain number of courses for purposes of ensuring that you are > well-grounded with regards to your understanding of the American legal > system. These courses may have to be taken in an ABA-approved U.S. college > (university) otherwise satisfying the requirements for licensure as a > foreign graduate lawyer seeking bar admission in a U.S. state could be > tough. > > Visiting the website for the bar association in your chosen state is a > great idea because 100% of the information you're seeking will be there for > your perusal. Good luck with the decision-making process, all the best! > > Sincerely, > Olusegun > Denver, Colorado > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/shah.maitreya32%40gmail.com > -- Maitreya Shah (he/ him) Final Year-B.A. LL.B (Hons.) Gujarat National Law University +91 8690943237 +91 8320964462 From paezja at mail.broward.edu Sun Jul 28 00:15:55 2019 From: paezja at mail.broward.edu (Jorge Paez) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 00:15:55 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] Totally blind prosecutor/public defender? Message-ID: Hello all: So with the recent chat about criminal law I figured I’d jump in and ask my question. I’m planning to go to law school for criminal law, either was a prosecutor or public defender. I know there are a few blind prosecutors on here, but since the Federation covers anyone who is legally blind to totally blind I was wondering, could someone who was totally blind, i.e. no sight whatsoever, do it? I’m totally blind so that’s why I’m asking. Thanks, Jorge From NSingh at cov.com Sun Jul 28 02:50:31 2019 From: NSingh at cov.com (Singh, Nandini) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 02:50:31 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] Totally blind prosecutor/public defender? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4cf047a4fda84ef1b0bb9af09d631a8c@CBIvEX03eUS.cov.com> Yes, especially if you serve as an AUSA or in Main Justice. Serving as a state prosecutor is also totally feasible, but I believe it may present some other challenges, depending on the office of course. In contrast, DOJ has some degree of agility and resources, e.g. stockpile of JAWS licenses, in having blind attorneys work there. I also just know my way around the federal bar more, so I naturally gravitate toward it. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Jorge Paez via BlindLaw Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2019 8:16 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Jorge Paez Subject: [blindLaw] Totally blind prosecutor/public defender? Hello all: So with the recent chat about criminal law I figured I’d jump in and ask my question. I’m planning to go to law school for criminal law, either was a prosecutor or public defender. I know there are a few blind prosecutors on here, but since the Federation covers anyone who is legally blind to totally blind I was wondering, could someone who was totally blind, i.e. no sight whatsoever, do it? I’m totally blind so that’s why I’m asking. Thanks, Jorge _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/nsingh%40cov.com From ccmlhe at gmail.com Sun Jul 28 10:55:28 2019 From: ccmlhe at gmail.com (ccmlhe at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 06:55:28 -0400 Subject: [blindLaw] Using autopsy results as evidence. Message-ID: <8B99E16B-55C4-4570-8CA4-F53E6836ECFF@gmail.com> Thank you everyone for your answers. Yes, I would love to be a prosecutor, and I see how human reader would be necessary. I would love if you could introduce me to blind prosecutors. Cecilia Sent from my iPhone From davant1958 at gmail.com Sun Jul 28 11:10:35 2019 From: davant1958 at gmail.com (davant1958 at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 06:10:35 -0500 Subject: [blindLaw] Totally blind prosecutor/public defender? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002a01d54535$14cb2ae0$3e6180a0$@gmail.com> Hello, There are three totally blind Public Defenders in Chicago. Two of whom are practicing in trial courtrooms. There is a totally blind prosecutor with the U.S. Attorneys office for the Northern District of Illinois. I am now retired, but for 30 years did appellate and postconviction work for the public defenders office. You can definitely do the work of a prosecutor or a public defender, using a reader and assistive technology and other blindness skills. I hope this helps. Denise R. Avant, Esq. President, National Federation of the Blind of Illinois 773-991-8050 Live the life you want. For more information about NFBI, Go to www.nfbofillinois.org -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Jorge Paez via BlindLaw Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2019 7:16 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Jorge Paez Subject: [blindLaw] Totally blind prosecutor/public defender? Hello all: So with the recent chat about criminal law I figured I’d jump in and ask my question. I’m planning to go to law school for criminal law, either was a prosecutor or public defender. I know there are a few blind prosecutors on here, but since the Federation covers anyone who is legally blind to totally blind I was wondering, could someone who was totally blind, i.e. no sight whatsoever, do it? I’m totally blind so that’s why I’m asking. Thanks, Jorge _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/davant1958%40gmail.com From PChang at nfb.org Sun Jul 28 19:44:04 2019 From: PChang at nfb.org (Chang, Patti) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 19:44:04 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] Totally blind prosecutor/public defender? In-Reply-To: <002a01d54535$14cb2ae0$3e6180a0$@gmail.com> References: <002a01d54535$14cb2ae0$3e6180a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: When I was a prosecutor, I had minimal residual vision but not anything that was useful in litigation. Yes, you can definitely prosecute with no vision. Peggy Elliot did so a couple of decades ago in Iowa and by the time I did it, it was even easier with reasonably good Braille and tech skills. Patti Chang Esq. Director of Outreach 200 East Wells Street, Baltimore, MD 21230 (410) 659-9314, extension 2422 | pchang at nfb.org Cell: 773-307-6440                                   The National Federation of the Blind is a community of members and friends who believe in the hopes and dreams of the nation’s blind. Every day we work together to help blind people live the lives they want. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Denise Avant via BlindLaw Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2019 6:11 AM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: State President, Illinois Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Totally blind prosecutor/public defender? Hello, There are three totally blind Public Defenders in Chicago. Two of whom are practicing in trial courtrooms. There is a totally blind prosecutor with the U.S. Attorneys office for the Northern District of Illinois. I am now retired, but for 30 years did appellate and postconviction work for the public defenders office. You can definitely do the work of a prosecutor or a public defender, using a reader and assistive technology and other blindness skills. I hope this helps. Denise R. Avant, Esq. President, National Federation of the Blind of Illinois 773-991-8050 Live the life you want. For more information about NFBI, Go to http://www.nfbofillinois.org -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Jorge Paez via BlindLaw Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2019 7:16 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Jorge Paez Subject: [blindLaw] Totally blind prosecutor/public defender? Hello all: So with the recent chat about criminal law I figured I’d jump in and ask my question. I’m planning to go to law school for criminal law, either was a prosecutor or public defender. I know there are a few blind prosecutors on here, but since the Federation covers anyone who is legally blind to totally blind I was wondering, could someone who was totally blind, i.e. no sight whatsoever, do it? I’m totally blind so that’s why I’m asking. Thanks, Jorge _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/davant1958 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/pchang at nfb.org Disclaimer The information contained in this communication from the sender is confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others authorized to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in relation of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. This email has been scanned for viruses and malware, and may have been automatically archived by Mimecast Ltd, an innovator in Software as a Service (SaaS) for business. Providing a safer and more useful place for your human generated data. Specializing in; Security, archiving and compliance. To find out more visit the Mimecast website. From ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com Mon Jul 29 00:33:15 2019 From: ukekearuaro at valtdnet.com (Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc.) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 18:33:15 -0600 Subject: [blindLaw] google slides? In-Reply-To: <001501d54492$eb7735f0$c265a1d0$@sbcglobal.net> References: <6E4A077D-C822-42E6-A40D-44B6BE43831C@gmail.com> <001501d54492$eb7735f0$c265a1d0$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <00cf01d545a5$361a6ec0$a24f4c40$@com> Hello All: Are there any folks in the house who can work Google Slides? I have a few questions! What's the best way to interact with Google Slides? Using a screen reader, how does one go from one slide to another and read its contents? Preferred screen readers for this exercise, Jaws or Window-Eyes! Browser: IE11, Brave, or FireFox; Chrome is NOT QUITE MY FRIEND yet, but I'm WRESTLING WITH IT daily. Thanks one and all for any info! Sincerely, Olusegun Denver, Colorado From paezja at mail.broward.edu Mon Jul 29 02:38:37 2019 From: paezja at mail.broward.edu (Jorge Paez) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 02:38:37 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] Question for prosecturos Message-ID: Hello everyone: Just wondering, if you served as a prosecutor, did you have to specialize in a certain type of crime? I.E. White color, murder, etc. or was it more broad than that? Thanks, Jorge From paezja at mail.broward.edu Mon Jul 29 02:41:35 2019 From: paezja at mail.broward.edu (Jorge Paez) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 02:41:35 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] Federal bar Message-ID: <6B944CCE-4304-40D6-BC0E-95B8D03CF039@mail.broward.edu> Hi everyone: So I was wondering, I’m interested in becoming a Federal attorney. How does that work? Other then the obvious—go to law Schoo part, do you have to take bot the state bar and the federal bar? Do you have to take them in a certain order or does that matter at all? Thanks, Jorge From agtolentino at gmail.com Mon Jul 29 14:41:07 2019 From: agtolentino at gmail.com (Aser Tolentino) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 07:41:07 -0700 Subject: [blindLaw] Question for prosecturos In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <269A96C4-9E01-4E5C-ACDC-0E650D80601B@gmail.com> Good morning, Different offices each have their own way of operating. There are still some counties in the US that at most have one or two prosecuting attorneys, so they will by necessity be generalists. Larger offices have units that handle specific types of crime, with more specialization the bigger you get. A decent sized office will have different units for misdemeanors, property and drug offenses, sexual offenses and crimes against persons, with even more granularity possible when you have the people to assign to specific priorities. An example of this might be that you have specific people who do capital cases. You may also see situations where specific grants fund the hiring of someone to handle designated crime sor deal with a particular issue. Another thing to consider is that offices may adopt either vertical or horizontal approaches to case management, where cases either stay with a particular attorney from the time they come out of intake until post-conviction, or they might pass cases from calendaring and pre-trial to trial teams and then appeals. In short, it’s that classic lawyer answer: it depends. I hope that helps. Respectfully, Aser Tolentino, Esq. > On Jul 28, 2019, at 19:40, Jorge Paez via BlindLaw wrote: > > Hello everyone: > Just wondering, if you served as a prosecutor, did you have to specialize in a certain type of crime? > I.E. White color, murder, etc. or was it more broad than that? > > Thanks, > > Jorge > > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/agtolentino%40gmail.com From slabarre at labarrelaw.com Mon Jul 29 16:31:32 2019 From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 10:31:32 -0600 Subject: [blindLaw] FW: [DRBA] Staff Attorney Opening in Chicago at Illinois Protection and Advocacy Agency In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00ea01d5462b$1629e4c0$427dae40$@labarrelaw.com> FYI From: Disability Rights Bar Association On Behalf Of Barry Taylor Sent: Monday, July 29, 2019 9:58 AM To: DRBA at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU Subject: [DRBA] Staff Attorney Opening in Chicago at Illinois Protection and Advocacy Agency Equip for Equality, the Illinois Protection and Advocacy System, has an opening for a staff attorney in Chicago. The position will focus on abuse/neglect, self-determination and community integration. Application deadline is 8/12. The full job notice is attached in pdf and Word formats. Please share with those you know who might be interested. Thanks, Barry Barry C. Taylor Equip for Equality REMINDER: The DRBA listserv is intended to facilitate open discussion and sharing of ideas. 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She says they use WestLaw which I know from discussions on here is pretty accessible, but she mentioned they also use CaseText and FastCase. Anyone have experience with either and how does it behave with VoiceOver and Safari specifically? Thanks, Jorge From paezja at mail.broward.edu Tue Jul 30 14:33:27 2019 From: paezja at mail.broward.edu (Jorge Paez) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 14:33:27 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] Blind public defender Message-ID: Hi everyone: Any blind public defenders on here? I just got accepted to a supervised internship with the Broward County Public Defender’s office and I’d like to get an idea of what I should be expecting as far as day-to-day. I’m basically going to be doing paralegal type stuff—interviewing clients, writing, research etc. I’ll be working under a supervising attorney, and I have already signed the confidentiality agreement from rule 4.16 of the Florida Bar, so I just wanna get an idea, if anyone has worked in the field what schedules would be like and that kind of thing. I’m doing 20 hours a week so it’s not a full time placement but I’d still like to have an idea. Thanks, Jorge From sbg at sbgaal.com Tue Jul 30 21:14:46 2019 From: sbg at sbgaal.com (Shannon) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 16:14:46 -0500 Subject: [blindLaw] Blind public defender In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <008e01d5471b$d10914a0$731b3de0$@sbgaal.com> I am a blind private defender we don't have a public defender but all of our indigent cases go through a private defender's office which then appoints criminal defense attorneys to handle the cases. Sincerely, Shannon Brady Geihsler Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC 1001 Main St., Suite 803 Lubbock, Texas 79401 Office: (806) 763-3999 Mobile: (806) 781-9296 Fax: (806) 749-3752 E-Mail: sbg at sbgaal.com This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged and/or attorney work product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, reliance or distribution by others or forwarding without express permission is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete all copies. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jorge Paez via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2019 9:33 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Jorge Paez Subject: [blindLaw] Blind public defender Hi everyone: Any blind public defenders on here? I just got accepted to a supervised internship with the Broward County Public Defender’s office and I’d like to get an idea of what I should be expecting as far as day-to-day. I’m basically going to be doing paralegal type stuff—interviewing clients, writing, research etc. I’ll be working under a supervising attorney, and I have already signed the confidentiality agreement from rule 4.16 of the Florida Bar, so I just wanna get an idea, if anyone has worked in the field what schedules would be like and that kind of thing. I’m doing 20 hours a week so it’s not a full time placement but I’d still like to have an idea. Thanks, Jorge _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sbg%40sbgaal.com From paezja at mail.broward.edu Wed Jul 31 15:06:50 2019 From: paezja at mail.broward.edu (Jorge Paez) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 15:06:50 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] Solo law Message-ID: <1DD5D7A9-15B3-47BD-9509-0CDDCD53E9AC@mail.broward.edu> Hello everyone: So I was wondering, for those of you who practiced in firms and then transitioned to solo practices, did you find it harder to get clients solo then as a firm? Also how is the economic situation as far as solo practice? Are you able to get a stable income, and how long does it take more or less after you start for that to happen? Lastly, for any solo lawyers, did you specialize or is it easier to just be a generalist when you’re doing a solo practice? Thanks, Jorge From dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net Wed Jul 31 19:00:56 2019 From: dlmlaw at sbcglobal.net (Daniel McBride) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 14:00:56 -0500 Subject: [blindLaw] Solo law In-Reply-To: <1DD5D7A9-15B3-47BD-9509-0CDDCD53E9AC@mail.broward.edu> References: <1DD5D7A9-15B3-47BD-9509-0CDDCD53E9AC@mail.broward.edu> Message-ID: <002d01d547d2$4977f440$dc67dcc0$@sbcglobal.net> George: I have been practicing for 35.5 years. The breakdown is 3 years as a felony prosecutor, 3.5 years as an associate with a criminal defense firm, 12 years as felony public defender and 17 years as a sole practitioner. There was always more money in my bank account when I was not a sole practitioner. Regards, Daniel McBride Fort Worth, Texas -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jorge Paez via BlindLaw Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 10:07 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Jorge Paez Subject: [blindLaw] Solo law Hello everyone: So I was wondering, for those of you who practiced in firms and then transitioned to solo practices, did you find it harder to get clients solo then as a firm? Also how is the economic situation as far as solo practice? Are you able to get a stable income, and how long does it take more or less after you start for that to happen? Lastly, for any solo lawyers, did you specialize or is it easier to just be a generalist when you’re doing a solo practice? Thanks, Jorge _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dlmlaw%40sbcglobal.net