From jameyanne at gmail.com Fri Nov 1 02:59:38 2019 From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 22:59:38 -0400 Subject: [blindLaw] Drop box update and accessibility In-Reply-To: <623b64077aa3d4265d7d6a582480db14@mail.gmail.com> References: <623b64077aa3d4265d7d6a582480db14@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <011601d59060$66891e20$339b5a60$@gmail.com> I haven't noticed a problem with the desktop program from Dropbox, but I haven't been using it much lately because the mobile app is now really hard/almost impossible to use productively on the BrailleNote Touch, so Dropbox has lost a lot of its value to me. I'm interested to hear what others say about this though. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Josh Loevy via BlindLaw Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 2:50 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Josh Loevy Subject: [blindLaw] Drop box update and accessibility Hello everyone, Until recently my experience with the desktop version of Dropbox has been really good. However, they seem to have updated it at some point, and the jaws experience is worse. Has anyone else run into this issue? If so, any work arounds? _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com From amarjain at amarjain.com Fri Nov 1 08:10:11 2019 From: amarjain at amarjain.com (Amar Jain) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 08:10:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [blindLaw] Workaround-filing emails on IManage Message-ID: <1272664158.606402093876224.1572595810281@mail.flock.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From loreallavigna at gmail.com Fri Nov 1 11:51:43 2019 From: loreallavigna at gmail.com (Loreal Lavigna) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 07:51:43 -0400 Subject: [blindLaw] Drop box update and accessibility In-Reply-To: <011601d59060$66891e20$339b5a60$@gmail.com> References: <623b64077aa3d4265d7d6a582480db14@mail.gmail.com> <011601d59060$66891e20$339b5a60$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <001a01d590aa$bc2418e0$346c4aa0$@gmail.com> Hey everyone, Forwarding some text from an email to the JAWS users list. This concerns Dropbox. Hope it helps!!! From: main at jfw.groups.io
On Behalf Of Mike B Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2019 8:41 AM To: JFW List
Subject: Dropbox Scripts For Jaws by Doug Lee Hi All, Below is a link to the website for Jaws scripts for Dropbox. They can't be used in any Jaws version older than Jaws 17. The website will have all information including how to install. http://dlee.org/dropbox/ Sincerely, Loreal Lavigna General, Legal, Medical Transcriptionist Phone: (518)330-5188 E-Mail: LorealLavigna at gmail.com Website: http://www.facebook.com/TranscriptsByLoreal -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Jameyanne Fuller via BlindLaw Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 11:00 PM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: Jameyanne Fuller Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Drop box update and accessibility I haven't noticed a problem with the desktop program from Dropbox, but I haven't been using it much lately because the mobile app is now really hard/almost impossible to use productively on the BrailleNote Touch, so Dropbox has lost a lot of its value to me. I'm interested to hear what others say about this though. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Josh Loevy via BlindLaw Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2019 2:50 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Josh Loevy Subject: [blindLaw] Drop box update and accessibility Hello everyone, Until recently my experience with the desktop version of Dropbox has been really good. However, they seem to have updated it at some point, and the jaws experience is worse. Has anyone else run into this issue? If so, any work arounds? _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/loreallavigna%40gmail. com From slabarre at labarrelaw.com Fri Nov 1 12:42:16 2019 From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. 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They tell me it will be fixed in 2019 in the December release. The issue with crashing when encountering format bubbles has also been "fixed," though Vispero has provided me with the following information to make the experience more stable: "It is important for JAWS that “Reviewer’s comments and format only in balloon option” is checked rather than either of the other options: 1. From the Reviewer’s ribbon, go to Show Markup. 2. Alt+DownArrow to open the split button; then arrow through the options. Ensure Comments, Format, Track Changes … are all checked. 3. Continue arrowing down to the “in Balloon” submenu and RightArrow to open it. 4. Arrow down and ensure that the last option is checked, not either of the first two." Again, this is thanks to Vispero. Microsoft is flatly refusing, once again, to do any work with regard to 2016. In fact, after another lawyer using 2016 and I reported separate crashing issues to them, they alleged they were working on it, only to report back 6 weeks later that they had fixed it... in 365. They then alleged that they would make the fix available in a cumulative update to 2016 and 2019. When I pressed them on when that would be, I eventually got a response from a **lawyer** yes, you read that correctly, they are now routing my questions to a **lawyer** saying that the particular line of code causing the problem in 365 isn't present in 2016 and 2019, so there is no need to release a cumulative update to fix it. Which, you might not be surprised, leads me to wonder what exactly they were doing to assist me and the other lawyer in the intervening six weeks when they were claiming to be working on fixing the 2016 issue, and where I would be if Vispero hadn't stepped in in the meantime to fix it alone. I also find it odd, to say the very least, that basic consumer questions about a product are being routed to in-house counsel. But that is an issue for another day. I have raised the issue regarding Jaws not reliably reading reply comment text with Vispero and plan to speak with them about it on Tuesday. Angie and others, if you happen to have a test doc replicating this problem that I can pass along, please let me know. Laura On 10/11/19, Laura Wolk wrote: > Thank you so much, Angie! And I totally agree. If Vispero wants to > use us as product developpers/testers, then they should pay us for it. > I really appreciate the help, and for everyone's willingness to listen > to my rant. > > On 10/11/19, Angie Matney via BlindLaw wrote: >>> Laura, James is right—you are not alone. I have yet to send a document >>> to >>> Vispero, precisely for the reason that you identify: It takes so much >>> time >>> to come up with something that isn't full of sensitive information. I am >>> a >>> single parent with a big job, and I also don't have time to devote hours >>> and hours to this. Having said that, I will do my best to come up with >>> something I can send in the next few days. I do have one that >>> illustrates >>> problems with checkboxes in tables. I will send that too. >>> Angie >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Oct 11, 2019, at 3:07 PM, James T. Fetter via BlindLaw >>> wrote: >>> >>> First of all, I'm just sick hearing about this and very sorry that you >>> have to deal with all of this all over again. I also agree that >>> Microsoft >>> and Vespero should?? have their feet held to the fire, up to and >>> including >>> being uninvited from national conventions, if they continue to >>> demonstrate >>> this level of indifference toward our ability to do our jobs. >>> >>> Just a few questions: >>> >>> 1. What version of Office are you running? You mentioned 2016, so I >>> assume >>> you have that rather than 365. >>> >>> 2. I'd be happy to test the 2020 beta, but I'm running 365. I'm not sure >>> how helpful that would be. >>> >>> 3. Have you tried NVDA? I have experienced fewer stability issues, but >>> reviewing track changes is a more laborious process. I could be >>> mistaken, >>> but I do not know of any way to list all changes in NVDA, as is at least >>> theoretically possible in Jaws. >>> >>> Again, I am very sorry that you are dealing with this. You are not alone >>> in this struggle. We will get there somehow. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 10/11/2019 2:45 PM, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw wrote: >>> All, >>> >>> The nightmarish scenario of Jaws reading all material,both old and >>> new, in a track changed document seems to have arisen with a vengeance >>> as of the late September release. I have tried restarting jaws, >>> restarting the computer, refreshing the screen, and switching to no >>> markup. Nothing works. >>> >>> My ability to work quickly and reliably has just been ground to a >>> screeching halt. Why not simply migrate back to an earlier update, >>> you might ask? Well, my friends, it's because **that** update was >>> causing heavily track changed documents to crash as soon as the >>> document was opened. And how did Vispero come to know that fact? >>> Because they tested it and identified hhe problem and committed >>> themselves to fixing it as soon as possible? No, of course not. >>> Because my coworkers and I spent hours, literally hours, isolating the >>> problem, creating a test document with nonsensitive information that >>> replicated it, and sending it to them. I am truly at my whits end. I >>> am a fully-employed person with a disability working at one of the >>> most stressful and time consuming jobs in our profession. And yet, >>> here I am, using my work time to literally sit on the phone and >>> **explain**, yes, **EXPLAIN, step-by-step, to Vispero employees how to >>> **TURN ON Track CHANGES**, because they are so unfamiliar with this >>> concept that they don't even know how to do it. I do not have the >>> time to take on a second full-time job just so I can do my first one. >>> None of us do. This is utterly unacceptable. We need our leadership >>> to step in now. Stop bringing Microsoft to national conventions to >>> wax eloquent about how much they care about accessibility if in fact >>> they don't. If in fact they are committed to not assisting at all >>> with products that people still pay them to suppor, products that the >>> entire federal government uses, products that just ask the blind to >>> deal with it or risk losing their jobs. Stop touting Jaws as if it's >>> the best thing since sliced bread if, one week into the Supreme Court >>> term, I now effectively cannot do my job, no, not have a harder time >>> doing my job, but cannot do my job, because no one is testing this >>> stuff before updates are released. I am just incensed. >>> >>> I also need someone to test whether this problem is occurring on Beta >>> 2020 with Word 2016. I cannot get beta 2020 installed on my computer >>> here. But I need to verify whether it's fixed in that release. I >>> swear, if they try making me wait until December to fix this, I'm >>> going to need some major reinforcements. >>> >>> Now please excuse me while I quickly go angry cry in the bathroom, put >>> on my nice happy brave face again, and resign myself to spending >>> thrice as much time on my work as I needed to spend yesterday. Your >>> prayers are appreciated. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yahoo.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/angie.matney%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/laura.wolk%40gmail.com >> > From shannonldillon at gmail.com Sun Nov 3 16:45:38 2019 From: shannonldillon at gmail.com (Shannon Dillon) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 08:45:38 -0800 Subject: [blindLaw] SOS --Need for Testing Beta 2020 and Microsoft 2016 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <656907C4-BAA2-40AC-93E3-25E408DA26D1@gmail.com> I just spent the last three days dealing with this as well. I finally resorted to closing jaws, opening the document, then opening jaws. At least then I can open the document. But I still can’t tell where deletions and insertions begin and end. I have to set it so that only the insertions and unchanged text are read. Then you can’t see The text that was deleted. But at least you can see the current text. This is really impacting my work as well. And I have also noticed that when I called Freedom Scientific, the technical support workers have no clue what track changes are or how to use it. So you know they can’t test it. And they certainly can’t help me troubleshoot. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 11, 2019, at 11:47 AM, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw wrote: > > All, > > The nightmarish scenario of Jaws reading all material,both old and > new, in a track changed document seems to have arisen with a vengeance > as of the late September release. I have tried restarting jaws, > restarting the computer, refreshing the screen, and switching to no > markup. Nothing works. > > My ability to work quickly and reliably has just been ground to a > screeching halt. Why not simply migrate back to an earlier update, > you might ask? Well, my friends, it's because **that** update was > causing heavily track changed documents to crash as soon as the > document was opened. And how did Vispero come to know that fact? > Because they tested it and identified hhe problem and committed > themselves to fixing it as soon as possible? No, of course not. > Because my coworkers and I spent hours, literally hours, isolating the > problem, creating a test document with nonsensitive information that > replicated it, and sending it to them. I am truly at my whits end. I > am a fully-employed person with a disability working at one of the > most stressful and time consuming jobs in our profession. And yet, > here I am, using my work time to literally sit on the phone and > **explain**, yes, **EXPLAIN, step-by-step, to Vispero employees how to > **TURN ON Track CHANGES**, because they are so unfamiliar with this > concept that they don't even know how to do it. I do not have the > time to take on a second full-time job just so I can do my first one. > None of us do. This is utterly unacceptable. We need our leadership > to step in now. Stop bringing Microsoft to national conventions to > wax eloquent about how much they care about accessibility if in fact > they don't. If in fact they are committed to not assisting at all > with products that people still pay them to suppor, products that the > entire federal government uses, products that just ask the blind to > deal with it or risk losing their jobs. Stop touting Jaws as if it's > the best thing since sliced bread if, one week into the Supreme Court > term, I now effectively cannot do my job, no, not have a harder time > doing my job, but cannot do my job, because no one is testing this > stuff before updates are released. I am just incensed. > > I also need someone to test whether this problem is occurring on Beta > 2020 with Word 2016. I cannot get beta 2020 installed on my computer > here. But I need to verify whether it's fixed in that release. I > swear, if they try making me wait until December to fix this, I'm > going to need some major reinforcements. > > Now please excuse me while I quickly go angry cry in the bathroom, put > on my nice happy brave face again, and resign myself to spending > thrice as much time on my work as I needed to spend yesterday. Your > prayers are appreciated. > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/shannonldillon%40gmail.com From shannonldillon at gmail.com Sun Nov 3 16:57:37 2019 From: shannonldillon at gmail.com (Shannon Dillon) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 08:57:37 -0800 Subject: [blindLaw] SOS --Need for Testing Beta 2020 and Microsoft 2016 In-Reply-To: <656907C4-BAA2-40AC-93E3-25E408DA26D1@gmail.com> References: <656907C4-BAA2-40AC-93E3-25E408DA26D1@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi again, I forgot to say that I am working an office 365. So this problem is occurring in office 365 as well and I will confirm the update when I turn my computer on later today. But I usually update right away. The problem I am referring to is that when I open the document full of track changes, word stops responding and my computer basically freezes. Refreshing the screen does not help. Restarting jaws does not help. Restarting the computer does not help. Oddly enough, I noticed that when I open order documents that I worked on a couple months ago full of track changes, the same thing does not happen. So I’m not sure what to make of that. Laura, is there someone in particular you are working with at Freedom Scientific? I’m happy to report what I found. Like the rest of you, it’s really hard to send anything out that I work on. So I will have to find time to try to create a document that exhibits the same problems. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 3, 2019, at 8:45 AM, Shannon Dillon wrote: > > I just spent the last three days dealing with this as well. I finally resorted to closing jaws, opening the document, then opening jaws. At least then I can open the document. But I still can’t tell where deletions and insertions begin and end. I have to set it so that only the insertions and unchanged text are read. Then you can’t see > The text that was deleted. But at least you can see the current text. This is really impacting my work as well. And I have also noticed that when I called Freedom Scientific, the technical support workers have no clue what track changes are or how to use it. So you know they can’t test it. And they certainly can’t help me troubleshoot. > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 11, 2019, at 11:47 AM, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw wrote: >> >> All, >> >> The nightmarish scenario of Jaws reading all material,both old and >> new, in a track changed document seems to have arisen with a vengeance >> as of the late September release. I have tried restarting jaws, >> restarting the computer, refreshing the screen, and switching to no >> markup. Nothing works. >> >> My ability to work quickly and reliably has just been ground to a >> screeching halt. Why not simply migrate back to an earlier update, >> you might ask? Well, my friends, it's because **that** update was >> causing heavily track changed documents to crash as soon as the >> document was opened. And how did Vispero come to know that fact? >> Because they tested it and identified hhe problem and committed >> themselves to fixing it as soon as possible? No, of course not. >> Because my coworkers and I spent hours, literally hours, isolating the >> problem, creating a test document with nonsensitive information that >> replicated it, and sending it to them. I am truly at my whits end. I >> am a fully-employed person with a disability working at one of the >> most stressful and time consuming jobs in our profession. And yet, >> here I am, using my work time to literally sit on the phone and >> **explain**, yes, **EXPLAIN, step-by-step, to Vispero employees how to >> **TURN ON Track CHANGES**, because they are so unfamiliar with this >> concept that they don't even know how to do it. I do not have the >> time to take on a second full-time job just so I can do my first one. >> None of us do. This is utterly unacceptable. We need our leadership >> to step in now. Stop bringing Microsoft to national conventions to >> wax eloquent about how much they care about accessibility if in fact >> they don't. If in fact they are committed to not assisting at all >> with products that people still pay them to suppor, products that the >> entire federal government uses, products that just ask the blind to >> deal with it or risk losing their jobs. Stop touting Jaws as if it's >> the best thing since sliced bread if, one week into the Supreme Court >> term, I now effectively cannot do my job, no, not have a harder time >> doing my job, but cannot do my job, because no one is testing this >> stuff before updates are released. I am just incensed. >> >> I also need someone to test whether this problem is occurring on Beta >> 2020 with Word 2016. I cannot get beta 2020 installed on my computer >> here. But I need to verify whether it's fixed in that release. I >> swear, if they try making me wait until December to fix this, I'm >> going to need some major reinforcements. >> >> Now please excuse me while I quickly go angry cry in the bathroom, put >> on my nice happy brave face again, and resign myself to spending >> thrice as much time on my work as I needed to spend yesterday. Your >> prayers are appreciated. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/shannonldillon%40gmail.com From laura.wolk at gmail.com Sun Nov 3 18:44:20 2019 From: laura.wolk at gmail.com (Laura Wolk) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 13:44:20 -0500 Subject: [blindLaw] SOS --Need for Testing Beta 2020 and Microsoft 2016 In-Reply-To: References: <656907C4-BAA2-40AC-93E3-25E408DA26D1@gmail.com> Message-ID: Shannon, It's the same problem. 365 should be fixed within the week. It's not the number of track changes. It's when there are a certain combination of changes--a format change along with a comment, that causes word to crash. The problem is word not jaws. I know this, intimately, because it was me, not Microsoft, who literally tested for hours and hours and hours with my colleague to figure out what was causing the issue. Then more hours still to create a test document to send with no sensitive information. We got no thanks or compensation, of course, just a promise to get it fixed which never arose for my version of Word. But since you're using the holy version, the fix should be coming soon if the Jaws update doesn't do it ofr you. Laura On 11/3/19, Shannon Dillon via BlindLaw wrote: > Hi again, > I forgot to say that I am working an office 365. So this problem is > occurring in office 365 as well and I will confirm the update when I turn my > computer on later today. But I usually update right away. The problem I am > referring to is that when I open the document full of track changes, word > stops responding and my computer basically freezes. Refreshing the screen > does not help. Restarting jaws does not help. Restarting the computer does > not help. Oddly enough, I noticed that when I open order documents that I > worked on a couple months ago full of track changes, the same thing does not > happen. So I’m not sure what to make of that. > Laura, is there someone in particular you are working with at Freedom > Scientific? I’m happy to report what I found. Like the rest of you, it’s > really hard to send anything out that I work on. So I will have to find time > to try to create a document that exhibits the same problems. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Nov 3, 2019, at 8:45 AM, Shannon Dillon >> wrote: >> >> I just spent the last three days dealing with this as well. I finally >> resorted to closing jaws, opening the document, then opening jaws. At >> least then I can open the document. But I still can’t tell where deletions >> and insertions begin and end. I have to set it so that only the insertions >> and unchanged text are read. Then you can’t see >> The text that was deleted. But at least you can see the current text. This >> is really impacting my work as well. And I have also noticed that when I >> called Freedom Scientific, the technical support workers have no clue >> what track changes are or how to use it. So you know they can’t test it. >> And they certainly can’t help me troubleshoot. >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Oct 11, 2019, at 11:47 AM, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw >>> wrote: >>> >>> All, >>> >>> The nightmarish scenario of Jaws reading all material,both old and >>> new, in a track changed document seems to have arisen with a vengeance >>> as of the late September release. I have tried restarting jaws, >>> restarting the computer, refreshing the screen, and switching to no >>> markup. Nothing works. >>> >>> My ability to work quickly and reliably has just been ground to a >>> screeching halt. Why not simply migrate back to an earlier update, >>> you might ask? Well, my friends, it's because **that** update was >>> causing heavily track changed documents to crash as soon as the >>> document was opened. And how did Vispero come to know that fact? >>> Because they tested it and identified hhe problem and committed >>> themselves to fixing it as soon as possible? No, of course not. >>> Because my coworkers and I spent hours, literally hours, isolating the >>> problem, creating a test document with nonsensitive information that >>> replicated it, and sending it to them. I am truly at my whits end. I >>> am a fully-employed person with a disability working at one of the >>> most stressful and time consuming jobs in our profession. And yet, >>> here I am, using my work time to literally sit on the phone and >>> **explain**, yes, **EXPLAIN, step-by-step, to Vispero employees how to >>> **TURN ON Track CHANGES**, because they are so unfamiliar with this >>> concept that they don't even know how to do it. I do not have the >>> time to take on a second full-time job just so I can do my first one. >>> None of us do. This is utterly unacceptable. We need our leadership >>> to step in now. Stop bringing Microsoft to national conventions to >>> wax eloquent about how much they care about accessibility if in fact >>> they don't. If in fact they are committed to not assisting at all >>> with products that people still pay them to suppor, products that the >>> entire federal government uses, products that just ask the blind to >>> deal with it or risk losing their jobs. Stop touting Jaws as if it's >>> the best thing since sliced bread if, one week into the Supreme Court >>> term, I now effectively cannot do my job, no, not have a harder time >>> doing my job, but cannot do my job, because no one is testing this >>> stuff before updates are released. I am just incensed. >>> >>> I also need someone to test whether this problem is occurring on Beta >>> 2020 with Word 2016. I cannot get beta 2020 installed on my computer >>> here. But I need to verify whether it's fixed in that release. I >>> swear, if they try making me wait until December to fix this, I'm >>> going to need some major reinforcements. >>> >>> Now please excuse me while I quickly go angry cry in the bathroom, put >>> on my nice happy brave face again, and resign myself to spending >>> thrice as much time on my work as I needed to spend yesterday. Your >>> prayers are appreciated. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/shannonldillon%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/laura.wolk%40gmail.com > From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com Mon Nov 4 05:07:49 2019 From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 05:07:49 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] SOS --Need for Testing Beta 2020 and Microsoft 2016 In-Reply-To: References: <656907C4-BAA2-40AC-93E3-25E408DA26D1@gmail.com> Message-ID: Dear Laura, all I have followed this story by email, without commenting because I do not have any of the software that would let me help. I use older versions of JAWS and word, which aren't perfect but are better than you describe together. I do just feel compelled to say how completely unacceptable this is though and that steps should be taken regarding Microsoft in particular, which now touts itself as being committed to accessibility, so far as I know. Kind regards Ger On 11/3/19, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw wrote: > Shannon, > > It's the same problem. 365 should be fixed within the week. It's not > the number of track changes. It's when there are a certain > combination of changes--a format change along with a comment, that > causes word to crash. The problem is word not jaws. I know this, > intimately, because it was me, not Microsoft, who literally tested for > hours and hours and hours with my colleague to figure out what was > causing the issue. Then more hours still to create a test document to > send with no sensitive information. We got no thanks or compensation, > of course, just a promise to get it fixed which never arose for my > version of Word. But since you're using the holy version, the fix > should be coming soon if the Jaws update doesn't do it ofr you. > > Laura > > On 11/3/19, Shannon Dillon via BlindLaw wrote: >> Hi again, >> I forgot to say that I am working an office 365. So this problem is >> occurring in office 365 as well and I will confirm the update when I turn >> my >> computer on later today. But I usually update right away. The problem I am >> referring to is that when I open the document full of track changes, word >> stops responding and my computer basically freezes. Refreshing the screen >> does not help. Restarting jaws does not help. Restarting the computer does >> not help. Oddly enough, I noticed that when I open order documents that I >> worked on a couple months ago full of track changes, the same thing does >> not >> happen. So I’m not sure what to make of that. >> Laura, is there someone in particular you are working with at Freedom >> Scientific? I’m happy to report what I found. Like the rest of you, it’s >> really hard to send anything out that I work on. So I will have to find >> time >> to try to create a document that exhibits the same problems. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Nov 3, 2019, at 8:45 AM, Shannon Dillon >>> wrote: >>> >>> I just spent the last three days dealing with this as well. I finally >>> resorted to closing jaws, opening the document, then opening jaws. At >>> least then I can open the document. But I still can’t tell where >>> deletions >>> and insertions begin and end. I have to set it so that only the >>> insertions >>> and unchanged text are read. Then you can’t see >>> The text that was deleted. But at least you can see the current text. >>> This >>> is really impacting my work as well. And I have also noticed that when I >>> called Freedom Scientific, the technical support workers have no clue >>> what track changes are or how to use it. So you know they can’t test it. >>> And they certainly can’t help me troubleshoot. >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Oct 11, 2019, at 11:47 AM, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> All, >>>> >>>> The nightmarish scenario of Jaws reading all material,both old and >>>> new, in a track changed document seems to have arisen with a vengeance >>>> as of the late September release. I have tried restarting jaws, >>>> restarting the computer, refreshing the screen, and switching to no >>>> markup. Nothing works. >>>> >>>> My ability to work quickly and reliably has just been ground to a >>>> screeching halt. Why not simply migrate back to an earlier update, >>>> you might ask? Well, my friends, it's because **that** update was >>>> causing heavily track changed documents to crash as soon as the >>>> document was opened. And how did Vispero come to know that fact? >>>> Because they tested it and identified hhe problem and committed >>>> themselves to fixing it as soon as possible? No, of course not. >>>> Because my coworkers and I spent hours, literally hours, isolating the >>>> problem, creating a test document with nonsensitive information that >>>> replicated it, and sending it to them. I am truly at my whits end. I >>>> am a fully-employed person with a disability working at one of the >>>> most stressful and time consuming jobs in our profession. And yet, >>>> here I am, using my work time to literally sit on the phone and >>>> **explain**, yes, **EXPLAIN, step-by-step, to Vispero employees how to >>>> **TURN ON Track CHANGES**, because they are so unfamiliar with this >>>> concept that they don't even know how to do it. I do not have the >>>> time to take on a second full-time job just so I can do my first one. >>>> None of us do. This is utterly unacceptable. We need our leadership >>>> to step in now. Stop bringing Microsoft to national conventions to >>>> wax eloquent about how much they care about accessibility if in fact >>>> they don't. If in fact they are committed to not assisting at all >>>> with products that people still pay them to suppor, products that the >>>> entire federal government uses, products that just ask the blind to >>>> deal with it or risk losing their jobs. Stop touting Jaws as if it's >>>> the best thing since sliced bread if, one week into the Supreme Court >>>> term, I now effectively cannot do my job, no, not have a harder time >>>> doing my job, but cannot do my job, because no one is testing this >>>> stuff before updates are released. I am just incensed. >>>> >>>> I also need someone to test whether this problem is occurring on Beta >>>> 2020 with Word 2016. I cannot get beta 2020 installed on my computer >>>> here. But I need to verify whether it's fixed in that release. I >>>> swear, if they try making me wait until December to fix this, I'm >>>> going to need some major reinforcements. >>>> >>>> Now please excuse me while I quickly go angry cry in the bathroom, put >>>> on my nice happy brave face again, and resign myself to spending >>>> thrice as much time on my work as I needed to spend yesterday. Your >>>> prayers are appreciated. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> BlindLaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/shannonldillon%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/laura.wolk%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com > From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com Mon Nov 4 05:10:00 2019 From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 05:10:00 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] Workaround-filing emails on IManage In-Reply-To: <1272664158.606402093876224.1572595810281@mail.flock.com> References: <1272664158.606402093876224.1572595810281@mail.flock.com> Message-ID: Dear Amar This sounds slow and laborious. As I'm sure you do yourself, I have to send a great many emails every day. If I had to use advanced browsing and touch cursor to file every one, individually, before sending, that would be a real problem! Kind regards Ger On 11/1/19, Amar Jain via BlindLaw wrote: > Dear all, > > Happy to share that with touch curser and advance navigation on, one can use > the browse matter and send and file email option on IManage 10 with Jaws > 2020. It of course does not substitute the need of making the tree > accessible or usable at least. > > Regards, > Amar Jain From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com Mon Nov 4 05:11:22 2019 From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 05:11:22 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] SOS --Need for Testing Beta 2020 and Microsoft 2016 In-Reply-To: References: <656907C4-BAA2-40AC-93E3-25E408DA26D1@gmail.com> Message-ID: I should add how sorry I am for Laura and other colleagues and that I completely understand their frustrations! On 11/4/19, Gerard Sadlier wrote: > Dear Laura, all > > I have followed this story by email, without commenting because I do > not have any of the software that would let me help. I use older > versions of JAWS and word, which aren't perfect but are better than > you describe together. > > I do just feel compelled to say how completely unacceptable this is > though and that steps should be taken regarding Microsoft in > particular, which now touts itself as being committed to > accessibility, so far as I know. > > Kind regards > > Ger > > On 11/3/19, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw wrote: >> Shannon, >> >> It's the same problem. 365 should be fixed within the week. It's not >> the number of track changes. It's when there are a certain >> combination of changes--a format change along with a comment, that >> causes word to crash. The problem is word not jaws. I know this, >> intimately, because it was me, not Microsoft, who literally tested for >> hours and hours and hours with my colleague to figure out what was >> causing the issue. Then more hours still to create a test document to >> send with no sensitive information. We got no thanks or compensation, >> of course, just a promise to get it fixed which never arose for my >> version of Word. But since you're using the holy version, the fix >> should be coming soon if the Jaws update doesn't do it ofr you. >> >> Laura >> >> On 11/3/19, Shannon Dillon via BlindLaw wrote: >>> Hi again, >>> I forgot to say that I am working an office 365. So this problem is >>> occurring in office 365 as well and I will confirm the update when I >>> turn >>> my >>> computer on later today. But I usually update right away. The problem I >>> am >>> referring to is that when I open the document full of track changes, >>> word >>> stops responding and my computer basically freezes. Refreshing the >>> screen >>> does not help. Restarting jaws does not help. Restarting the computer >>> does >>> not help. Oddly enough, I noticed that when I open order documents that >>> I >>> worked on a couple months ago full of track changes, the same thing does >>> not >>> happen. So I’m not sure what to make of that. >>> Laura, is there someone in particular you are working with at Freedom >>> Scientific? I’m happy to report what I found. Like the rest of you, it’s >>> really hard to send anything out that I work on. So I will have to find >>> time >>> to try to create a document that exhibits the same problems. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Nov 3, 2019, at 8:45 AM, Shannon Dillon >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I just spent the last three days dealing with this as well. I finally >>>> resorted to closing jaws, opening the document, then opening jaws. At >>>> least then I can open the document. But I still can’t tell where >>>> deletions >>>> and insertions begin and end. I have to set it so that only the >>>> insertions >>>> and unchanged text are read. Then you can’t see >>>> The text that was deleted. But at least you can see the current text. >>>> This >>>> is really impacting my work as well. And I have also noticed that when >>>> I >>>> called Freedom Scientific, the technical support workers have no clue >>>> what track changes are or how to use it. So you know they can’t test >>>> it. >>>> And they certainly can’t help me troubleshoot. >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Oct 11, 2019, at 11:47 AM, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> All, >>>>> >>>>> The nightmarish scenario of Jaws reading all material,both old and >>>>> new, in a track changed document seems to have arisen with a vengeance >>>>> as of the late September release. I have tried restarting jaws, >>>>> restarting the computer, refreshing the screen, and switching to no >>>>> markup. Nothing works. >>>>> >>>>> My ability to work quickly and reliably has just been ground to a >>>>> screeching halt. Why not simply migrate back to an earlier update, >>>>> you might ask? Well, my friends, it's because **that** update was >>>>> causing heavily track changed documents to crash as soon as the >>>>> document was opened. And how did Vispero come to know that fact? >>>>> Because they tested it and identified hhe problem and committed >>>>> themselves to fixing it as soon as possible? No, of course not. >>>>> Because my coworkers and I spent hours, literally hours, isolating the >>>>> problem, creating a test document with nonsensitive information that >>>>> replicated it, and sending it to them. I am truly at my whits end. I >>>>> am a fully-employed person with a disability working at one of the >>>>> most stressful and time consuming jobs in our profession. And yet, >>>>> here I am, using my work time to literally sit on the phone and >>>>> **explain**, yes, **EXPLAIN, step-by-step, to Vispero employees how to >>>>> **TURN ON Track CHANGES**, because they are so unfamiliar with this >>>>> concept that they don't even know how to do it. I do not have the >>>>> time to take on a second full-time job just so I can do my first one. >>>>> None of us do. This is utterly unacceptable. We need our leadership >>>>> to step in now. Stop bringing Microsoft to national conventions to >>>>> wax eloquent about how much they care about accessibility if in fact >>>>> they don't. If in fact they are committed to not assisting at all >>>>> with products that people still pay them to suppor, products that the >>>>> entire federal government uses, products that just ask the blind to >>>>> deal with it or risk losing their jobs. Stop touting Jaws as if it's >>>>> the best thing since sliced bread if, one week into the Supreme Court >>>>> term, I now effectively cannot do my job, no, not have a harder time >>>>> doing my job, but cannot do my job, because no one is testing this >>>>> stuff before updates are released. I am just incensed. >>>>> >>>>> I also need someone to test whether this problem is occurring on Beta >>>>> 2020 with Word 2016. I cannot get beta 2020 installed on my computer >>>>> here. But I need to verify whether it's fixed in that release. I >>>>> swear, if they try making me wait until December to fix this, I'm >>>>> going to need some major reinforcements. >>>>> >>>>> Now please excuse me while I quickly go angry cry in the bathroom, put >>>>> on my nice happy brave face again, and resign myself to spending >>>>> thrice as much time on my work as I needed to spend yesterday. Your >>>>> prayers are appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/shannonldillon%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/laura.wolk%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com >> > From amarjain at amarjain.com Mon Nov 4 05:43:40 2019 From: amarjain at amarjain.com (Amar Jain) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 05:43:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [blindLaw] Workaround-filing emails on IManage In-Reply-To: References: <1272664158.606402093876224.1572595810281@mail.flock.com> <1272664158.606402093876224.1572595810281@mail.flock.com> <365636365.609027832988672.1572846220256@mail.flock.com> Message-ID: <365636365.609027832988672.1572846220256@mail.flock.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com Mon Nov 4 05:46:46 2019 From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 05:46:46 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] Workaround-filing emails on IManage In-Reply-To: <365636365.609027832988672.1572846220256@mail.flock.com> References: <1272664158.606402093876224.1572595810281@mail.flock.com> <365636365.609027832988672.1572846220256@mail.flock.com> <365636365.609027832988672.1572846220256@mail.flock.com> Message-ID: Dear Amar Thanks very much, I understand. I will say that on older versions this was accessible, so what you are describing is a significant step backward. Not meant as a criticism of you of course and thanks so much for your work on this. Kind regards Ger On 11/4/19, Amar Jain wrote: > Absolutely-which is why it is just a workaround for time-being. I am trying > to convince them to make the tree accessible. > > Regards, > Amar Jain > > On Mon, 4 Nov 2019 at 5:10 AM Gerard wrote: >> >> Dear Amar >> >> This sounds slow and laborious. As I'm sure you do yourself, I have to >> send a great many emails every day. If I had to use advanced browsing >> and touch cursor to file every one, individually, before sending, that >> would be a real problem! >> >> Kind regards >> >> Ger >> >> On 11/1/19, Amar Jain via BlindLaw wrote: >> > Dear all, >> > >> > Happy to share that with touch curser and advance navigation on, one can >> > use >> > the browse matter and send and file email option on IManage 10 with Jaws >> > 2020. It of course does not substitute the need of making the tree >> > accessible or usable at least. >> > >> > Regards, >> > Amar Jain > From amatney at loeb.com Mon Nov 4 14:34:46 2019 From: amatney at loeb.com (Angela Matney) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 14:34:46 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] SOS --Need for Testing Beta 2020 and Microsoft 2016 In-Reply-To: References: <7D64A0B0-F161-4563-AFF6-34AB662A89BA@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1BAC65FD6F6D1140A9F58F9D21A1A53924710FE2@SM-EXMAIL03.loeb.com> Laura, I will do my best to replicate the reply comment issue in a document that I can send out. It is causing me some difficulty these days. I have also had the experience that if I use the comment list and navigate to a particular comment, I have to left-arrow once to be able to edit or delete that comment. This has not always been the case, though I’m sorry to say I don’t remember when the issue started. 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Thank you, Loeb & Loeb LLP. ________________________________ From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Laura Wolk via BlindLaw Sent: Sunday, November 3, 2019 9:45 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Laura Wolk Subject: Re: [blindLaw] SOS --Need for Testing Beta 2020 and Microsoft 2016 All, The issue regarding Jaws reading both old and new text in a track change document is now fixed in 2020, thanks to Vispero. They tell me it will be fixed in 2019 in the December release. The issue with crashing when encountering format bubbles has also been "fixed," though Vispero has provided me with the following information to make the experience more stable: "It is important for JAWS that “Reviewer’s comments and format only in balloon option” is checked rather than either of the other options: 1. From the Reviewer’s ribbon, go to Show Markup. 2. Alt+DownArrow to open the split button; then arrow through the options. Ensure Comments, Format, Track Changes … are all checked. 3. Continue arrowing down to the “in Balloon” submenu and RightArrow to open it. 4. Arrow down and ensure that the last option is checked, not either of the first two." Again, this is thanks to Vispero. Microsoft is flatly refusing, once again, to do any work with regard to 2016. In fact, after another lawyer using 2016 and I reported separate crashing issues to them, they alleged they were working on it, only to report back 6 weeks later that they had fixed it... in 365. They then alleged that they would make the fix available in a cumulative update to 2016 and 2019. When I pressed them on when that would be, I eventually got a response from a **lawyer** yes, you read that correctly, they are now routing my questions to a **lawyer** saying that the particular line of code causing the problem in 365 isn't present in 2016 and 2019, so there is no need to release a cumulative update to fix it. Which, you might not be surprised, leads me to wonder what exactly they were doing to assist me and the other lawyer in the intervening six weeks when they were claiming to be working on fixing the 2016 issue, and where I would be if Vispero hadn't stepped in in the meantime to fix it alone. I also find it odd, to say the very least, that basic consumer questions about a product are being routed to in-house counsel. But that is an issue for another day. I have raised the issue regarding Jaws not reliably reading reply comment text with Vispero and plan to speak with them about it on Tuesday. Angie and others, if you happen to have a test doc replicating this problem that I can pass along, please let me know. Laura On 10/11/19, Laura Wolk > wrote: > Thank you so much, Angie! And I totally agree. If Vispero wants to > use us as product developpers/testers, then they should pay us for it. > I really appreciate the help, and for everyone's willingness to listen > to my rant. > > On 10/11/19, Angie Matney via BlindLaw > wrote: >>> Laura, James is right—you are not alone. I have yet to send a document >>> to >>> Vispero, precisely for the reason that you identify: It takes so much >>> time >>> to come up with something that isn't full of sensitive information. I am >>> a >>> single parent with a big job, and I also don't have time to devote hours >>> and hours to this. Having said that, I will do my best to come up with >>> something I can send in the next few days. I do have one that >>> illustrates >>> problems with checkboxes in tables. I will send that too. >>> Angie >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Oct 11, 2019, at 3:07 PM, James T. Fetter via BlindLaw >>> > wrote: >>> >>> First of all, I'm just sick hearing about this and very sorry that you >>> have to deal with all of this all over again. I also agree that >>> Microsoft >>> and Vespero should?? have their feet held to the fire, up to and >>> including >>> being uninvited from national conventions, if they continue to >>> demonstrate >>> this level of indifference toward our ability to do our jobs. >>> >>> Just a few questions: >>> >>> 1. What version of Office are you running? You mentioned 2016, so I >>> assume >>> you have that rather than 365. >>> >>> 2. I'd be happy to test the 2020 beta, but I'm running 365. I'm not sure >>> how helpful that would be. >>> >>> 3. Have you tried NVDA? I have experienced fewer stability issues, but >>> reviewing track changes is a more laborious process. I could be >>> mistaken, >>> but I do not know of any way to list all changes in NVDA, as is at least >>> theoretically possible in Jaws. >>> >>> Again, I am very sorry that you are dealing with this. You are not alone >>> in this struggle. We will get there somehow. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 10/11/2019 2:45 PM, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw wrote: >>> All, >>> >>> The nightmarish scenario of Jaws reading all material,both old and >>> new, in a track changed document seems to have arisen with a vengeance >>> as of the late September release. I have tried restarting jaws, >>> restarting the computer, refreshing the screen, and switching to no >>> markup. Nothing works. >>> >>> My ability to work quickly and reliably has just been ground to a >>> screeching halt. Why not simply migrate back to an earlier update, >>> you might ask? Well, my friends, it's because **that** update was >>> causing heavily track changed documents to crash as soon as the >>> document was opened. And how did Vispero come to know that fact? >>> Because they tested it and identified hhe problem and committed >>> themselves to fixing it as soon as possible? No, of course not. >>> Because my coworkers and I spent hours, literally hours, isolating the >>> problem, creating a test document with nonsensitive information that >>> replicated it, and sending it to them. I am truly at my whits end. I >>> am a fully-employed person with a disability working at one of the >>> most stressful and time consuming jobs in our profession. And yet, >>> here I am, using my work time to literally sit on the phone and >>> **explain**, yes, **EXPLAIN, step-by-step, to Vispero employees how to >>> **TURN ON Track CHANGES**, because they are so unfamiliar with this >>> concept that they don't even know how to do it. I do not have the >>> time to take on a second full-time job just so I can do my first one. >>> None of us do. This is utterly unacceptable. We need our leadership >>> to step in now. Stop bringing Microsoft to national conventions to >>> wax eloquent about how much they care about accessibility if in fact >>> they don't. If in fact they are committed to not assisting at all >>> with products that people still pay them to suppor, products that the >>> entire federal government uses, products that just ask the blind to >>> deal with it or risk losing their jobs. Stop touting Jaws as if it's >>> the best thing since sliced bread if, one week into the Supreme Court >>> term, I now effectively cannot do my job, no, not have a harder time >>> doing my job, but cannot do my job, because no one is testing this >>> stuff before updates are released. I am just incensed. >>> >>> I also need someone to test whether this problem is occurring on Beta >>> 2020 with Word 2016. I cannot get beta 2020 installed on my computer >>> here. But I need to verify whether it's fixed in that release. I >>> swear, if they try making me wait until December to fix this, I'm >>> going to need some major reinforcements. >>> >>> Now please excuse me while I quickly go angry cry in the bathroom, put >>> on my nice happy brave face again, and resign myself to spending >>> thrice as much time on my work as I needed to spend yesterday. Your >>> prayers are appreciated. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yahoo.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/angie.matney%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/laura.wolk%40gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/amatney%40loeb.com From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Mon Nov 4 16:43:40 2019 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 16:43:40 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] : T-Mobile | Senior Director, Privacy, Legal Affairs - Seattle area Message-ID: From: Huang Sent: Friday, November 1, 2019 4:50 PM To: Diversity Stakeholders Subject: [diversity-stakeholders] T-Mobile | Senior Director, Privacy, Legal Affairs Hello Diversity Stakeholders, I'm an Executive Recruiter with T-Mobile and I would like to let you know about a Senior Director, Privacy role in our Legal organization. This is a pivotal moment for T-Mobile, as we evolve into a data first, customer-experience driven organization; your role will ensure business growth with transparency as a key guidepost. COMPANY: T-Mobile USA is headquartered in the Seattle metro area and has approximately 79M customers, 55K employees and $41B+ in revenues. As the Un-carrier, T-Mobile has rewritten the rules of the wireless industry. We. Won't. Stop. Being restlessly ambitious is the very fabric of our culture. POSITION: Privacy and customer trust are of paramount importance as we continue to innovate and grow our advertising and data business. The Senior Director will ensure that we protect customer privacy and earn their trust every day. The Senior Director will lead in a fast-paced environment, building relationships across the T-Mobile enterprise to ensure that data privacy is a part of all business decisions and not an after-thought. IDEAL CANDIDATE: The ideal candidate will have progressive leadership experience in data and privacy at a large, matrixed company. You will be a thought leader who can multitask and quickly build relationships while interpreting new legislation. Please let me know if you'd be interested in an exploratory conversation. If this is not the right fit or time for you, I hope you'll partner with me by sharing the opportunity with others in your network. Thank you and Happy Friday! Pailin Huang Executive Recruiter | T-Mobile USA Mobile: 425-985-5702 | Email: Pailin.Huang3 at T-Mobile.com We Are T-Mobile. The Un-carrier. www.t-mobile.careers / Facebook | Twitter | LinkedIn | YouTube --- You are currently subscribed to diversity-stakeholders as: noel.nightingale at ed.gov. 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This is being proposed to me by technology vendors contracted by the Seattle Municipal Court for my use as a judge pro tem. does it work well with a braille display? i’ll need that for reading jury instructions to the jury and for plea colloquies with defendants. Thanks. Elizabeth Elizabeth M René Attorney at Law WSBA #10710 KCBA #21824 rene0373 at gmail.com From laura.wolk at gmail.com Mon Nov 4 22:13:38 2019 From: laura.wolk at gmail.com (Laura Wolk) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 17:13:38 -0500 Subject: [blindLaw] SOS --Need for Testing Beta 2020 and Microsoft 2016 In-Reply-To: <1BAC65FD6F6D1140A9F58F9D21A1A53924710FE2@SM-EXMAIL03.loeb.com> References: <7D64A0B0-F161-4563-AFF6-34AB662A89BA@gmail.com> <1BAC65FD6F6D1140A9F58F9D21A1A53924710FE2@SM-EXMAIL03.loeb.com> Message-ID: Great! I just forwarded it along. I will keep everyone updated. On 11/4/19, Angela Matney wrote: > Laura, I will do my best to replicate the reply comment issue in a document > that I can send out. It is causing me some difficulty these days. > > I have also had the experience that if I use the comment list and navigate > to a particular comment, I have to left-arrow once to be able to edit or > delete that comment. This has not always been the case, though I’m sorry to > say I don’t remember when the issue started. > > Angie > > > > > ________________________________ > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail transmission, and any documents, files > or previous e-mail messages attached to it may contain confidential > information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended > recipient, or a person responsible for delivering it to the intended > recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, > distribution or use of any of the information contained in or attached to > this transmission is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you have received this > transmission in error, please immediately notify the sender. Please destroy > the original transmission and its attachments without reading or saving in > any manner. Thank you, Loeb & Loeb LLP. > ________________________________ > From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Laura Wolk via > BlindLaw > Sent: Sunday, November 3, 2019 9:45 AM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Laura Wolk > Subject: Re: [blindLaw] SOS --Need for Testing Beta 2020 and Microsoft 2016 > > > > All, > > The issue regarding Jaws reading both old and new text in a track > change document is now fixed in 2020, thanks to Vispero. They tell me > it will be fixed in 2019 in the December release. The issue with > crashing when encountering format bubbles has also been "fixed," > though Vispero has provided me with the following information to make > the experience more stable: > > "It is important for JAWS that “Reviewer’s comments and format only in > balloon option” is checked rather than either of the other options: > > 1. From the Reviewer’s ribbon, go to Show Markup. > > 2. Alt+DownArrow to open the split button; then arrow through > the options. Ensure Comments, Format, Track Changes … are all checked. > > 3. Continue arrowing down to the “in Balloon” submenu and > RightArrow to open it. > > 4. Arrow down and ensure that the last option is checked, not > either of the first two." > > Again, this is thanks to Vispero. Microsoft is flatly refusing, once > again, to do any work with regard to 2016. In fact, after another > lawyer using 2016 and I reported separate crashing issues to them, > they alleged they were working on it, only to report back 6 weeks > later that they had fixed it... in 365. They then alleged that they > would make the fix available in a cumulative update to 2016 and 2019. > When I pressed them on when that would be, I eventually got a response > from a **lawyer** yes, you read that correctly, they are now routing > my questions to a **lawyer** saying that the particular line of code > causing the problem in 365 isn't present in 2016 and 2019, so there is > no need to release a cumulative update to fix it. Which, you might > not be surprised, leads me to wonder what exactly they were doing to > assist me and the other lawyer in the intervening six weeks when they > were claiming to be working on fixing the 2016 issue, and where I > would be if Vispero hadn't stepped in in the meantime to fix it alone. > I also find it odd, to say the very least, that basic consumer > questions about a product are being routed to in-house counsel. But > that is an issue for another day. > > I have raised the issue regarding Jaws not reliably reading reply > comment text with Vispero and plan to speak with them about it on > Tuesday. Angie and others, if you happen to have a test doc > replicating this problem that I can pass along, please let me know. > > Laura > > > On 10/11/19, Laura Wolk > > wrote: >> Thank you so much, Angie! And I totally agree. If Vispero wants to >> use us as product developpers/testers, then they should pay us for it. >> I really appreciate the help, and for everyone's willingness to listen >> to my rant. >> >> On 10/11/19, Angie Matney via BlindLaw >> > wrote: >>>> Laura, James is right—you are not alone. I have yet to send a document >>>> to >>>> Vispero, precisely for the reason that you identify: It takes so much >>>> time >>>> to come up with something that isn't full of sensitive information. I >>>> am >>>> a >>>> single parent with a big job, and I also don't have time to devote >>>> hours >>>> and hours to this. Having said that, I will do my best to come up with >>>> something I can send in the next few days. I do have one that >>>> illustrates >>>> problems with checkboxes in tables. I will send that too. >>>> Angie >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Oct 11, 2019, at 3:07 PM, James T. Fetter via BlindLaw >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> First of all, I'm just sick hearing about this and very sorry that you >>>> have to deal with all of this all over again. I also agree that >>>> Microsoft >>>> and Vespero should?? have their feet held to the fire, up to and >>>> including >>>> being uninvited from national conventions, if they continue to >>>> demonstrate >>>> this level of indifference toward our ability to do our jobs. >>>> >>>> Just a few questions: >>>> >>>> 1. What version of Office are you running? You mentioned 2016, so I >>>> assume >>>> you have that rather than 365. >>>> >>>> 2. I'd be happy to test the 2020 beta, but I'm running 365. I'm not >>>> sure >>>> how helpful that would be. >>>> >>>> 3. Have you tried NVDA? I have experienced fewer stability issues, but >>>> reviewing track changes is a more laborious process. I could be >>>> mistaken, >>>> but I do not know of any way to list all changes in NVDA, as is at >>>> least >>>> theoretically possible in Jaws. >>>> >>>> Again, I am very sorry that you are dealing with this. You are not >>>> alone >>>> in this struggle. We will get there somehow. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 10/11/2019 2:45 PM, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw wrote: >>>> All, >>>> >>>> The nightmarish scenario of Jaws reading all material,both old and >>>> new, in a track changed document seems to have arisen with a vengeance >>>> as of the late September release. I have tried restarting jaws, >>>> restarting the computer, refreshing the screen, and switching to no >>>> markup. Nothing works. >>>> >>>> My ability to work quickly and reliably has just been ground to a >>>> screeching halt. Why not simply migrate back to an earlier update, >>>> you might ask? Well, my friends, it's because **that** update was >>>> causing heavily track changed documents to crash as soon as the >>>> document was opened. And how did Vispero come to know that fact? >>>> Because they tested it and identified hhe problem and committed >>>> themselves to fixing it as soon as possible? No, of course not. >>>> Because my coworkers and I spent hours, literally hours, isolating the >>>> problem, creating a test document with nonsensitive information that >>>> replicated it, and sending it to them. I am truly at my whits end. I >>>> am a fully-employed person with a disability working at one of the >>>> most stressful and time consuming jobs in our profession. And yet, >>>> here I am, using my work time to literally sit on the phone and >>>> **explain**, yes, **EXPLAIN, step-by-step, to Vispero employees how to >>>> **TURN ON Track CHANGES**, because they are so unfamiliar with this >>>> concept that they don't even know how to do it. I do not have the >>>> time to take on a second full-time job just so I can do my first one. >>>> None of us do. This is utterly unacceptable. We need our leadership >>>> to step in now. Stop bringing Microsoft to national conventions to >>>> wax eloquent about how much they care about accessibility if in fact >>>> they don't. If in fact they are committed to not assisting at all >>>> with products that people still pay them to suppor, products that the >>>> entire federal government uses, products that just ask the blind to >>>> deal with it or risk losing their jobs. Stop touting Jaws as if it's >>>> the best thing since sliced bread if, one week into the Supreme Court >>>> term, I now effectively cannot do my job, no, not have a harder time >>>> doing my job, but cannot do my job, because no one is testing this >>>> stuff before updates are released. I am just incensed. >>>> >>>> I also need someone to test whether this problem is occurring on Beta >>>> 2020 with Word 2016. I cannot get beta 2020 installed on my computer >>>> here. But I need to verify whether it's fixed in that release. I >>>> swear, if they try making me wait until December to fix this, I'm >>>> going to need some major reinforcements. >>>> >>>> Now please excuse me while I quickly go angry cry in the bathroom, put >>>> on my nice happy brave face again, and resign myself to spending >>>> thrice as much time on my work as I needed to spend yesterday. Your >>>> prayers are appreciated. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> BlindLaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yahoo.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> BlindLaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/angie.matney%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To >>> unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/laura.wolk%40gmail.com >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw > mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/amatney%40loeb.com > From slabarre at labarrelaw.com Tue Nov 5 20:24:35 2019 From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. 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This came from a PDF file, so might read a bit rough! /s/ Bennett Prows The Office of the General Counsel at the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services is currently seeking applications for a General Attorney position in its Region 10 office. Who May Apply: This announcement is open to all US Citizens and maybe used to fill multiple positions. DUTY STATION: Seattle, WA SALARY RANGE: $67,816 - $148,488 OPEN PERIOD: 11/5/2019 – 11/30/2019 (or until filled. Applications will be reviewed on a rolling basis.) JOB SUMMARY: The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) is the principal government agency for protecting the health of citizens and providing essential human services. The HHS Office of the General Counsel (OGC) provides comprehensive legal services to the Department’s operating and staff divisions. OGC-Region 10 is seeking a licensed attorney interested in public service. OGC-Region 10 provides comprehensive litigation services (both administrative and judicial litigation), legal advice, counseling, and negotiation services in virtually every area of Department programs, with an emphasis on services to those HHS agencies that have staff present in the Region 10 states of Alaska, Idaho, Oregon, and Washington. We have a collegial office with eight (8) attorneys and two administrative legal resources staff. Attorneys are expected to work independently and as a team with more than 500 OGC colleagues around the nation. The incumbent of this position will provide comprehensive legal services, including representing HHS in litigation before administrative tribunals (DAB, EEOC, MSPB, CBCA), in federal court, and in tribal negotiations, as well as providing legal advice and counseling. Most of our work is for the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS), the Indian Health Service (IHS), the Office for Civil Rights (OCR), and the Administration for Children and Families (ACF). For additional information about our work and the HHS Family of Agencies, please visit our website at https://www.hhs.gov/about/agencies/index.html OGC is an equal opportunity employer, and we encourage applications from a diverse pool of high-quality candidates. DUTIES: This is a General Attorney position in the OGC-Region X office, located in Seattle, Washington. The incumbent may be asked to serve any of the client agencies within HHS, but may focus primarily on providing legal services to the Indian Health Service, the Medicaid program, and/or employment and personnel. This may include:  negotiating ISDEAA contracts and funding agreements,  advising on leasing, construction, and other property-related issues  defending CMS enforcement actions or determinations hearings that a provider, supplier, or healthcare entity may no longer participate in the Medicare and Medicaid programs or must pay a civil monetary penalty  defending before the Departmental Appeals Board state or other grantee challenges to disallowances or termination of federal funding under the Medicaid, Child Support, Head Start, Foster Care or other programs  representing the agency at hearings before the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) or the Merit Systems Protection Board (MSPB) We are seeking to fill the position at the GS-11 to GS-14 level($67,816 -$148,488) depending on experience and qualifications. The position will be located in Seattle, WA, and reimbursement for relocation expenses is not available. For additional information about OGC’s mission, please visit our website at: http://www.hhs.gov/ogc/index.html QUALIFICATIONS REQUIRED: Your resume, cover letter, and supporting documentation will be used to determine whether you meet the position qualifications listed in this announcement. Salary will be commensurate with education and experience. The following are required qualifications: • A Juris Doctorate (J.D.) from an accredited ABA law school. • At least one year of legal experience post bar admission. • Proof that bar status is active, in good standing and eligible to practice in the highest court of a State, U. S. commonwealth, U. S. territory, or the District of Columbia. • Excellent oral communication and interpersonal skills, and the capacity to work with diverse individuals and groups. The following qualifications are preferred: • Demonstrated experience as a litigator (federal or administrative) • Demonstrated experience in health care or employment law • Demonstrated experience working with tribes or tribal organizations • Experience as a government attorney • Ability to work independently and as part of a team CONDITIONS OF EMPLOYMENT: • Must maintain active bar membership in good standing and the eligibility to practice law in the highest court of a state, territory, Commonwealth, or the District of Columbia throughout employment in the Office of the General Counsel. • Upon final job offer from HHS OHR, the successful candidate must submit official law school transcripts. • Security and Background Requirements: If not previously completed, a background security investigation will be required for all appointees. Appointment will be subject to the applicant's successful completion of a background security investigation and favorable adjudication. Failure to successfully meet these requirements may be grounds for appropriate personnel action. In addition, if hired, a background security reinvestigation or supplemental investigation may be required at a later time. Applicants are also advised that all information concerning qualifications is subject to investigation. False representation may be grounds for non-consideration, non-selection and/or appropriate disciplinary action. • E-Verify: If you are selected for this position, the documentation that you present for purposes of completing the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Form I-9 will be verified through the DHS "E-Verify" System. Federal law requires DHS to use the E-Verify System to verify employment eligibility of all new hires and as a condition of continued employment obligates the new hire to take affirmative steps to resolve any discrepancies identified by the system. The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services is an E-Verify Participant. • Direct Deposit: All Federal employees are required to have Federal salary payments made by direct deposit to a financial institution of their choosing. • All qualification requirements must be met by the closing date of the announcement. • Financial disclosure statement may be required. • Two-year trial period may be required. • Travel, transportation, and relocation expenses will not be paid. • This position is not in a bargaining unit. • Multiple selections may be made from this announcement. INSTRUCTIONS TO APPLY: Please submit the following documents to michelle.oakes at hhs.gov using the subject line “General Attorney Advisor” in the forwarding email. To receive full consideration, submit all materials by November 25, 2019: • Cover letter addressed to: Pamela Parker Office of the General Counsel, Suite 1620 U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Region 10 701 Fifth Avenue, Suite 1600, MS/10 Seattle, WA 98104 • 3-5 page legal writing sample that highlights your analytical and writing skills • Resume (must include education, including name of undergraduate and law school, degree received and date graduated; date admitted to bar and jurisdiction; a general description of all past employment relevant to the practice of law, including dates of employment (full and part time)). /s/ Bennett Prows From slabarre at labarrelaw.com Fri Nov 8 13:07:51 2019 From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 06:07:51 -0700 Subject: [blindLaw] FW: Attorney and Legal Internship Vacancies at the U.S. Department of Justice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003901d59635$86ed9d50$94c8d7f0$@labarrelaw.com> FYI and Happy Friday! From: DOJlawjobs (OARM) Sent: Friday, November 8, 2019 5:55 AM To: Undisclosed recipients: Subject: Attorney and Legal Internship Vacancies at the U.S. Department of Justice Good morning, Below is a list of current attorney and legal internship vacancies at the U.S. Department of Justice. Please post on your internal sites and distribute to any interested audience, including law student organizations and other affinity groups. The Department of Justice office places a high value on diversity of experiences and perspectives and encourages applications from all qualified men and women from all ethnic and racial backgrounds, veterans, LGBT individuals, and persons with disabilities. We welcome applications from candidates who are interested in positively contributing to Justice and hope that you will consider joining the dedicated public servants at the Department of Justice. To learn more about Justice and our legal careers, please visit our website at https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers. In addition to the below job opportunities, the United States Trustee Program is accepting applications for the position of U.S. Trustee for Region 9 in Cleveland, OH. For more information on how to apply, please see https://www.justice.gov/ust/file/region9ustjobannouncement.pdf/download. Attorney Vacancies & Volunteer Legal Internships Hiring Organization Job Title State Posted/ Updated Hiring Organization USAO Southern District of Georgia Job Title Assistant United States Attorney State Georgia Posted/ Updated November 7, 2019 Hiring Organization USAO Southern District of Georgia Job Title Attorney State Georgia Posted/ Updated November 7, 2019 Hiring Organization Office of Professional Responsibility (OPR) Job Title ATTORNEY ADVISOR - FOIA/PA State District of Columbia Posted/ Updated November 7, 2019 Hiring Organization Criminal Division (CRM) Job Title Supervisory Trial Attorney (Chief, Special Financial Investigations Unit) State District of Columbia Posted/ Updated November 7, 2019 Hiring Organization Criminal Division (CRM) Job Title Supervisory Trial Attorney (Chief, Money Laundering and Forfeiture Unit) State District of Columbia Posted/ Updated November 7, 2019 Hiring Organization USAO District of Delaware Job Title LAW CLERK, SUMMER 2020 State Delaware Posted/ Updated November 7, 2019 Hiring Organization USAO Southern District of Ohio Job Title Assistant United States Attorney State Ohio Posted/ Updated November 7, 2019 Hiring Organization Civil Division (CIV) Job Title Unpaid Law Student Volunteer, Academic Year- Fraud Section State District of Columbia Posted/ Updated November 7, 2019 Hiring Organization USAO Eastern District of California Job Title Special Assistant U.S. Attorney (Uncompensated) State California Posted/ Updated November 6, 2019 Hiring Organization USAO Eastern District of California Job Title Special Assistant U.S. Attorney (Uncompensated) State California Posted/ Updated November 6, 2019 Hiring Organization USAO Eastern District of California Job Title Assistant United States Attorney State California Posted/ Updated November 6, 2019 Hiring Organization Office of Information Policy (OIP) Job Title DETAIL -- Attorney Advisor State District of Columbia Posted/ Updated November 6, 2019 Hiring Organization USAO Northern District of Ohio Job Title Assistant United States Attorney State Ohio Posted/ Updated November 5, 2019 Hiring Organization Office of Justice Programs (OJP) Job Title Volunteer Legal Intern, Office of Justice Programs, OGC (Summer 2020) State District of Columbia Posted/ Updated November 5, 2019 Hiring Organization Office of Justice Programs (OJP) Job Title Volunteer Legal Intern, Office of Justice Programs, OGC (Academic Year 2020/2021) State District of Columbia Posted/ Updated November 5, 2019 Hiring Organization Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) Job Title General Attorney State Virginia Posted/ Updated November 4, 2019 Hiring Organization Criminal Division (CRM) Job Title Attorney Advisor (International)/ Resident Legal Advisor, Sri Lanka State Posted/ Updated November 1, 2019 Hiring Organization Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) Job Title General Attorney State Virginia Posted/ Updated November 1, 2019 Hiring Organization Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) Job Title Attorney State Virginia Posted/ Updated November 1, 2019 Hiring Organization Executive Office for Immigration Review (EOIR) Job Title Detail - Attorney Advisor, GS-0905-13/14/15 State Virginia Posted/ Updated November 1, 2019 Hiring Organization Civil Division (CIV) Job Title Trial Attorney-Torts Branch/Environmental Torts Litigation State District of Columbia Posted/ Updated November 1, 2019 Manage Your Email: If you no longer wish to receive these email notifications, please reply to this email with UNSUBSCRIBE in the subject line. If you would like to update your contact information, please submit the following information: SCHOOL OR ORGANIZATION: NAME: TITLE: PHONE: EMAIL: WEBSITE: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 88 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Fri Nov 8 20:20:20 2019 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 20:20:20 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] Washington Attorney General's Office - Attorney Opportunities Message-ID: From: Linda Nakamura Sent: Friday, November 8, 2019 8:38 AM To: Diversity Stakeholders Subject: [diversity-stakeholders] WA AGO - Attorney Opportunities At the Washington State Attorney General’s Office, we aspire to be the best public law office in the nation. We are committed to providing excellent, independent, and ethical legal services to the State of Washington and to protecting the rights of its people. It is essential to our mission to create and maintain an office that is diverse, respectful, inclusive and composed of the best legal talent available. If you share our vision and have a desire to do important work that makes a difference for our community, then we invite you to consider applying for the following attorney opportunities. Click on the link below to access full position descriptions and qualifications for each of these ATTORNEY opportunities. You can also visit the state's centralized recruitment site at www.careers.wa.gov. For information about the AGO, visit www.atg.wa.gov. AAG - Torts Division in Tacoma - The Office's Torts Division has an opening for a lawyer with at least 5 years of litigation experience to be located in its downtown Tacoma office. (DL: 11/11/19) Closing soon! AAG – Spokane Division’s Tort Section - The Office's Christine O. Gregoire Spokane Division has an immediate need to fill an assistant attorney general position in its Tort Section. (DL: 11/12/19) Closing soon! AAG - Licensing & Administrative Law Division - The Licensing & Administrative Law Division in Olympia is looking for an attorney to perform a range of litigation and advice, including assisting the Employment Security Department to implement the new paid family and medical leave law. (DL: 11/13/19) Closing soon! New! Deputy Solicitor General - The Solicitor General's Division is responsible for U. S. Supreme Court practice, appellate assistance programs, coordinating amicus briefs, preparing AG Opinions, writing ballot measure materials, coordinating statewide legal issues, coordinating certain litigation involving the federal government, and at times directly representing the state in significant matters. (DL: extended to 12/4/19) New! AAG - Complex Litigation Division - The Office has an extraordinary opportunity for an experienced attorney interested in litigating complex, high-profile cases. (DL: 12/8/19) Please consider joining our e-mail subscription service to be informed of our attorney postings. Honoring diversity, equity and inclusion means that as an agency, and as individuals, we are committed to ensuring that all employees and volunteers enjoy a respectful, safe and supportive working environment. Only by fostering the inclusion of people from all backgrounds, cultures and attributes, can AGO employees and volunteers achieve their fullest potential and best advance the goals and mission of the AGO. The AGO is an equal opportunity employer and does not discriminate on the basis of race, creed, color, national origin, sex, marital status, sexual orientation/gender identity, age, disability, honorably discharged veteran or military status, retaliation or the use of a trained dog guide or service animal by a person with a disability. Persons requiring reasonable accommodation in the application process or requiring information in an alternative format may contact Tracy Robinson at 360-586-7693. Those with a hearing impairment in need of accommodation are encouraged to contact the Washington Relay Service at 1-800-676-3777 or www.washingtonrelay.com --- You are currently subscribed to diversity-stakeholders as: noel.nightingale at ed.gov. To unsubscribe click here: http://list.wsba.org/u?id=9689257.98490556339430b43adf9753d1310389&n=T&l=diversity-stakeholders&o=1137195 (It may be necessary to cut and paste the above URL if the line is broken) or send a blank email to leave-1137195-9689257.98490556339430b43adf9753d1310389 at list.wsba.org If you have any questions, or wish to change your email address, please contact the WSBA List Administrator. From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Wed Nov 13 21:34:47 2019 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 21:34:47 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] Issue accessing footnotes in Office 365 & JAWS 2019 Message-ID: Blindlaw listers, Since my office updated to Office 365, I have been unable to get JAWS to read the footnote number in Word documents. I am using JAWS 2019. JAWS will read the actual footnote text, but if I want to, for example, move the footnote number to a different location in my document, I can't find it. I have footnote on with count, which alerts me to when there is a footnote in the line I am arrowing down, but when I try to find the actual footnote number, all I hear is "blank." Has anyone else had this problem and have a solution? Yours gratefully, Noel From mnowicki4 at iCloud.com Thu Nov 14 03:07:01 2019 From: mnowicki4 at iCloud.com (Michal Nowicki) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 21:07:01 -0600 Subject: [blindLaw] Issue accessing footnotes in Office 365 & JAWS 2019 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Noel, Vispero resolved this issue in a recent update to JAWS 2019. Did you install that update? Michal Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Nightingale, Noel via BlindLaw Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 3:35 PM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Cc: Nightingale, Noel Subject: [blindLaw] Issue accessing footnotes in Office 365 & JAWS 2019 Blindlaw listers, Since my office updated to Office 365, I have been unable to get JAWS to read the footnote number in Word documents. I am using JAWS 2019. JAWS will read the actual footnote text, but if I want to, for example, move the footnote number to a different location in my document, I can't find it. I have footnote on with count, which alerts me to when there is a footnote in the line I am arrowing down, but when I try to find the actual footnote number, all I hear is "blank." Has anyone else had this problem and have a solution? Yours gratefully, Noel _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mnowicki4%40icloud.com From slabarre at labarrelaw.com Fri Nov 15 15:28:39 2019 From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 08:28:39 -0700 Subject: [blindLaw] FW: Attorney and Legal Internship Vacancies at the U.S. Department of Justice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000501d59bc9$5fbc5ed0$1f351c70$@labarrelaw.com> Happy Friday! From: DOJlawjobs (OARM) Sent: Friday, November 15, 2019 7:23 AM To: Undisclosed recipients: Subject: Attorney and Legal Internship Vacancies at the U.S. Department of Justice Good morning, Below is a list of current attorney and legal internship vacancies at the U.S. Department of Justice. Please post on your internal sites and distribute to any interested audience, including law student organizations and other affinity groups. The Department of Justice office places a high value on diversity of experiences and perspectives and encourages applications from all qualified men and women from all ethnic and racial backgrounds, veterans, LGBT individuals, and persons with disabilities. We welcome applications from candidates who are interested in positively contributing to Justice and hope that you will consider joining the dedicated public servants at the Department of Justice. To learn more about Justice and our legal careers, please visit our website at https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers. In addition to the below job opportunities, the United States Trustee Program is accepting applications for the position of U.S. Trustee for Region 9 in Cleveland, OH. For more information on how to apply, please see https://www.justice.gov/ust/file/region9ustjobannouncement.pdf/download. Attorney Vacancies & Volunteer Legal Internships Hiring Organization Job Title State Posted/ Updated Hiring Organization USAO Western District of North Carolina Job Title Law Student Volunteer, Summer State North Carolina Posted/ Updated November 15, 2019 Hiring Organization United States Trustee Program (USTP) Job Title Trial Attorney State New York Posted/ Updated November 15, 2019 Hiring Organization USAO District of Alaska Job Title Law Student Volunteer, Academic Year State Alaska Posted/ Updated November 14, 2019 Hiring Organization United States Attorney's Office (USAO) Job Title Assistant United States Attorney State Washington Posted/ Updated November 14, 2019 Hiring Organization USAO Eastern District of Michigan Job Title Assistant United States Attorney State Michigan Posted/ Updated November 14, 2019 Hiring Organization Federal Bureau of Prisons (BOP) Job Title Senior Counsel State District of Columbia Posted/ Updated November 14, 2019 Hiring Organization USAO Central District of Illinois Job Title Law Student Volunteer State Illinois Posted/ Updated November 13, 2019 Hiring Organization USAO Middle District of Florida Job Title Volunteer Law Student - Summer 2020 State Florida Posted/ Updated November 13, 2019 Hiring Organization Criminal Division (CRM) Job Title Resident Legal Advisor, Malaysia State Posted/ Updated November 13, 2019 Hiring Organization Criminal Division (CRM) Job Title Resident Legal Advisor, Bosnia and Herzegovina State Posted/ Updated November 13, 2019 Hiring Organization Criminal Division (CRM) Job Title Resident Legal Advisor, Mexico State Posted/ Updated November 13, 2019 Hiring Organization USAO Southern District of Texas Job Title Assistant United States Attorney (AUSA) State Texas Posted/ Updated November 12, 2019 Hiring Organization USAO Southern District of Georgia Job Title Assistant U. 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Attorney State Georgia Posted/ Updated November 12, 2019 Hiring Organization Criminal Division (CRM) Job Title Supervisory Trial Attorney (Chief, Special Financial Investigations Unit) State District of Columbia Posted/ Updated November 12, 2019 Hiring Organization USAO Middle District of North Carolina Job Title Assistant United States Attorney State North Carolina Posted/ Updated November 12, 2019 Hiring Organization Criminal Division (CRM) Job Title Resident Legal Advisor, El Salvador State Posted/ Updated November 12, 2019 Hiring Organization Civil Rights Division (CRT) Job Title Law Student Volunteer State District of Columbia Posted/ Updated November 9, 2019 Hiring Organization USAO Western District of Tennessee Job Title Assistant United States Attorney (AUSA) State Tennessee Posted/ Updated November 8, 2019 Hiring Organization USAO Western District of Michigan Job Title Summer 2020 Volunteer Legal Intern State Michigan Posted/ Updated November 8, 2019 Hiring Organization National Security Division (NSD) Job Title Legal Student Volunteer State District of Columbia Posted/ Updated November 8, 2019 Hiring Organization National Security Division (NSD) Job Title Law Student Volunteer State District of Columbia Posted/ Updated November 8, 2019 Hiring Organization Office of Community Oriented Policing Services (COPS) Job Title General Counsel State District of Columbia Posted/ Updated November 8, 2019 Hiring Organization Criminal Division (CRM) Job Title Supervisory Trial Attorney (Principal Assistant Deputy Chief) State District of Columbia Posted/ Updated November 8, 2019 Hiring Organization Civil Division (CIV) Job Title Detail - Trial Attorney - Appellate Staff State District of Columbia Posted/ Updated November 8, 2019 Hiring Organization Executive Office for Immigration Review (EOIR) Job Title Volunteer Legal Intern, Executive Office for Immigration Review, Summer 2020 State New York Posted/ Updated November 8, 2019 Hiring Organization Job Title State Posted/ Updated Hiring Organization Executive Office for Immigration Review (EOIR) Job Title Volunteer Legal Intern, Executive Office for Immigration Review, Summer 2020 State New York Posted/ Updated November 8, 2019 Manage Your Email: If you no longer wish to receive these email notifications, please reply to this email with UNSUBSCRIBE in the subject line. If you would like to update your contact information, please submit the following information: SCHOOL OR ORGANIZATION: NAME: TITLE: PHONE: EMAIL: WEBSITE: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 88 bytes Desc: not available URL: From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com Sun Nov 17 05:55:26 2019 From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 05:55:26 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] Using Work Phone, is a Blue Tooth Keyboard Worth Getting Message-ID: Hi all I have a work iPhone. I am not very quick at typing on the iPhone screen and I wonder if others have found a keyboard worth using with their phones or how you use your phones? I am a little dubious about using dictation, for a number of reasons. Kind regards Ger From agtolentino at gmail.com Sun Nov 17 06:03:35 2019 From: agtolentino at gmail.com (Aser Tolentino) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 22:03:35 -0800 Subject: [blindLaw] Using Work Phone, is a Blue Tooth Keyboard Worth Getting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello, I use my iPhone with a variety of Bluetooth keyboards, from small folding models to full sized mechanical setups. I have found that an external keyboard dramatically improves productivity when working with a phone. I can basically perform most computing tasks from an iOS device, and while you certainly won’t be redlining a multi-page document on one, you’ll be able to work with email, rough drafts and web research with ease. > On Nov 16, 2019, at 9:55 PM, Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw wrote: > > Hi all > > I have a work iPhone. I am not very quick at typing on the iPhone > screen and I wonder if others have found a keyboard worth using with > their phones or how you use your phones? > > I am a little dubious about using dictation, for a number of reasons. > > Kind regards > > Ger > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/agtolentino%40gmail.com From cannona at fireantproductions.com Sun Nov 17 12:44:27 2019 From: cannona at fireantproductions.com (Aaron Cannon) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 06:44:27 -0600 Subject: [blindLaw] Using Work Phone, is a Blue Tooth Keyboard Worth Getting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8354B639-E44D-4BF7-BC38-E8835EE5B351@fireantproductions.com> I use my phone extensively with work as well, and I use braille screen input to great effect. It's a little slower than using a keyboard, but not by much, and it means one less thing for me to carry around. I agree that dictation is a terrible idea. When I see people using it in professional settings, it makes me cringe. Unless the person is meticulous in correcting the errors it makes, it's glaringly obvious. And unfortunately, unless one is using braille, it's very difficult for a VoiceOver user to be meticulous in correcting dictation errors. Aaron -- This message was sent from a mobile device > On Nov 17, 2019, at 00:03, Aser Tolentino via BlindLaw wrote: > > Hello, > > I use my iPhone with a variety of Bluetooth keyboards, from small folding models to full sized mechanical setups. I have found that an external keyboard dramatically improves productivity when working with a phone. I can basically perform most computing tasks from an iOS device, and while you certainly won’t be redlining a multi-page document on one, you’ll be able to work with email, rough drafts and web research with ease. > >> On Nov 16, 2019, at 9:55 PM, Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw wrote: >> >> Hi all >> >> I have a work iPhone. I am not very quick at typing on the iPhone >> screen and I wonder if others have found a keyboard worth using with >> their phones or how you use your phones? >> >> I am a little dubious about using dictation, for a number of reasons. >> >> Kind regards >> >> Ger >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/agtolentino%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/cannona%40fireantproductions.com From sy.hoekstra at gmail.com Sun Nov 17 15:04:45 2019 From: sy.hoekstra at gmail.com (Sybren Hoekstra) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 10:04:45 -0500 Subject: [blindLaw] Using Work Phone, is a Blue Tooth Keyboard Worth Getting In-Reply-To: <8354B639-E44D-4BF7-BC38-E8835EE5B351@fireantproductions.com> References: <8354B639-E44D-4BF7-BC38-E8835EE5B351@fireantproductions.com> Message-ID: <5F371271-4AFE-4964-97CA-4C5E17590B33@gmail.com> The flicktype keyboard app can also be very helpful, Especially if you are running around Corte a lot and don’t necessarily have a surface to put down your phone to use a physical keyboard or braille screen input. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 17, 2019, at 07:45, Aaron Cannon via BlindLaw wrote: > > I use my phone extensively with work as well, and I use braille screen input to great effect. It's a little slower than using a keyboard, but not by much, and it means one less thing for me to carry around. > > I agree that dictation is a terrible idea. When I see people using it in professional settings, it makes me cringe. Unless the person is meticulous in correcting the errors it makes, it's glaringly obvious. And unfortunately, unless one is using braille, it's very difficult for a VoiceOver user to be meticulous in correcting dictation errors. > > Aaron > > -- > This message was sent from a mobile device > > >> On Nov 17, 2019, at 00:03, Aser Tolentino via BlindLaw wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> I use my iPhone with a variety of Bluetooth keyboards, from small folding models to full sized mechanical setups. I have found that an external keyboard dramatically improves productivity when working with a phone. I can basically perform most computing tasks from an iOS device, and while you certainly won’t be redlining a multi-page document on one, you’ll be able to work with email, rough drafts and web research with ease. >> >>>> On Nov 16, 2019, at 9:55 PM, Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw wrote: >>> >>> Hi all >>> >>> I have a work iPhone. I am not very quick at typing on the iPhone >>> screen and I wonder if others have found a keyboard worth using with >>> their phones or how you use your phones? >>> >>> I am a little dubious about using dictation, for a number of reasons. >>> >>> Kind regards >>> >>> Ger >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/agtolentino%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/cannona%40fireantproductions.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sy.hoekstra%40gmail.com From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com Sun Nov 17 16:21:19 2019 From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 16:21:19 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] Using Work Phone, is a Blue Tooth Keyboard Worth Getting In-Reply-To: <5F371271-4AFE-4964-97CA-4C5E17590B33@gmail.com> References: <8354B639-E44D-4BF7-BC38-E8835EE5B351@fireantproductions.com> <5F371271-4AFE-4964-97CA-4C5E17590B33@gmail.com> Message-ID: Flick type keyboard? On 11/17/19, Sybren Hoekstra via BlindLaw wrote: > The flicktype keyboard app can also be very helpful, Especially if you are > running around Corte a lot and don’t necessarily have a surface to put down > your phone to use a physical keyboard or braille screen input. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Nov 17, 2019, at 07:45, Aaron Cannon via BlindLaw >> wrote: >> >> I use my phone extensively with work as well, and I use braille screen >> input to great effect. It's a little slower than using a keyboard, but not >> by much, and it means one less thing for me to carry around. >> >> I agree that dictation is a terrible idea. When I see people using it in >> professional settings, it makes me cringe. Unless the person is meticulous >> in correcting the errors it makes, it's glaringly obvious. And >> unfortunately, unless one is using braille, it's very difficult for a >> VoiceOver user to be meticulous in correcting dictation errors. >> >> Aaron >> >> -- >> This message was sent from a mobile device >> >> >>> On Nov 17, 2019, at 00:03, Aser Tolentino via BlindLaw >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I use my iPhone with a variety of Bluetooth keyboards, from small folding >>> models to full sized mechanical setups. I have found that an external >>> keyboard dramatically improves productivity when working with a phone. I >>> can basically perform most computing tasks from an iOS device, and while >>> you certainly won’t be redlining a multi-page document on one, you’ll be >>> able to work with email, rough drafts and web research with ease. >>> >>>>> On Nov 16, 2019, at 9:55 PM, Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw >>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi all >>>> >>>> I have a work iPhone. I am not very quick at typing on the iPhone >>>> screen and I wonder if others have found a keyboard worth using with >>>> their phones or how you use your phones? >>>> >>>> I am a little dubious about using dictation, for a number of reasons. >>>> >>>> Kind regards >>>> >>>> Ger >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> BlindLaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/agtolentino%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/cannona%40fireantproductions.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sy.hoekstra%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com > From sy.hoekstra at gmail.com Sun Nov 17 16:27:59 2019 From: sy.hoekstra at gmail.com (Sybren Hoekstra) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 11:27:59 -0500 Subject: [blindLaw] Using Work Phone, is a Blue Tooth Keyboard Worth Getting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <70F70834-C8F6-4D39-AACB-EC15471A0A2C@gmail.com> Yep, it’s an app designed to allow blind people to use a standard keyboard on the screen with relative speed. I find it pretty useful for shorter emails and texts. Though I don’t know what countries it is available in, and if memory serves me, you are not in the US? Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 17, 2019, at 11:22, Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw wrote: > > Flick type keyboard? > >> On 11/17/19, Sybren Hoekstra via BlindLaw wrote: >> The flicktype keyboard app can also be very helpful, Especially if you are >> running around Corte a lot and don’t necessarily have a surface to put down >> your phone to use a physical keyboard or braille screen input. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Nov 17, 2019, at 07:45, Aaron Cannon via BlindLaw >>> wrote: >>> >>> I use my phone extensively with work as well, and I use braille screen >>> input to great effect. It's a little slower than using a keyboard, but not >>> by much, and it means one less thing for me to carry around. >>> >>> I agree that dictation is a terrible idea. When I see people using it in >>> professional settings, it makes me cringe. Unless the person is meticulous >>> in correcting the errors it makes, it's glaringly obvious. And >>> unfortunately, unless one is using braille, it's very difficult for a >>> VoiceOver user to be meticulous in correcting dictation errors. >>> >>> Aaron >>> >>> -- >>> This message was sent from a mobile device >>> >>> >>>> On Nov 17, 2019, at 00:03, Aser Tolentino via BlindLaw >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> I use my iPhone with a variety of Bluetooth keyboards, from small folding >>>> models to full sized mechanical setups. I have found that an external >>>> keyboard dramatically improves productivity when working with a phone. I >>>> can basically perform most computing tasks from an iOS device, and while >>>> you certainly won’t be redlining a multi-page document on one, you’ll be >>>> able to work with email, rough drafts and web research with ease. >>>> >>>>>> On Nov 16, 2019, at 9:55 PM, Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw >>>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi all >>>>> >>>>> I have a work iPhone. I am not very quick at typing on the iPhone >>>>> screen and I wonder if others have found a keyboard worth using with >>>>> their phones or how you use your phones? >>>>> >>>>> I am a little dubious about using dictation, for a number of reasons. >>>>> >>>>> Kind regards >>>>> >>>>> Ger >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/agtolentino%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> BlindLaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/cannona%40fireantproductions.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sy.hoekstra%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sy.hoekstra%40gmail.com From joshl at loevy.com Sun Nov 17 16:35:25 2019 From: joshl at loevy.com (Josh Loevy) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 10:35:25 -0600 Subject: [blindLaw] Using Work Phone, is a Blue Tooth Keyboard Worth Getting In-Reply-To: <70F70834-C8F6-4D39-AACB-EC15471A0A2C@gmail.com> References: <70F70834-C8F6-4D39-AACB-EC15471A0A2C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <88E4FE57-CA83-461A-A6D6-D38B78F64AE1@loevy.com> Flicktype is great, though it stopped working for me after ios 13 Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 17, 2019, at 10:29 AM, Sybren Hoekstra via BlindLaw wrote: > > Yep, it’s an app designed to allow blind people to use a standard keyboard on the screen with relative speed. I find it pretty useful for shorter emails and texts. Though I don’t know what countries it is available in, and if memory serves me, you are not in the US? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Nov 17, 2019, at 11:22, Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw wrote: >> >> Flick type keyboard? >> >>>> On 11/17/19, Sybren Hoekstra via BlindLaw wrote: >>> The flicktype keyboard app can also be very helpful, Especially if you are >>> running around Corte a lot and don’t necessarily have a surface to put down >>> your phone to use a physical keyboard or braille screen input. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Nov 17, 2019, at 07:45, Aaron Cannon via BlindLaw >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I use my phone extensively with work as well, and I use braille screen >>>> input to great effect. It's a little slower than using a keyboard, but not >>>> by much, and it means one less thing for me to carry around. >>>> >>>> I agree that dictation is a terrible idea. When I see people using it in >>>> professional settings, it makes me cringe. Unless the person is meticulous >>>> in correcting the errors it makes, it's glaringly obvious. And >>>> unfortunately, unless one is using braille, it's very difficult for a >>>> VoiceOver user to be meticulous in correcting dictation errors. >>>> >>>> Aaron >>>> >>>> -- >>>> This message was sent from a mobile device >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Nov 17, 2019, at 00:03, Aser Tolentino via BlindLaw >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hello, >>>>> >>>>> I use my iPhone with a variety of Bluetooth keyboards, from small folding >>>>> models to full sized mechanical setups. I have found that an external >>>>> keyboard dramatically improves productivity when working with a phone. I >>>>> can basically perform most computing tasks from an iOS device, and while >>>>> you certainly won’t be redlining a multi-page document on one, you’ll be >>>>> able to work with email, rough drafts and web research with ease. >>>>> >>>>>>> On Nov 16, 2019, at 9:55 PM, Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi all >>>>>> >>>>>> I have a work iPhone. I am not very quick at typing on the iPhone >>>>>> screen and I wonder if others have found a keyboard worth using with >>>>>> their phones or how you use your phones? >>>>>> >>>>>> I am a little dubious about using dictation, for a number of reasons. >>>>>> >>>>>> Kind regards >>>>>> >>>>>> Ger >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/agtolentino%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/cannona%40fireantproductions.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> BlindLaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sy.hoekstra%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sy.hoekstra%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/joshl%40loevy.com From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com Sun Nov 17 16:40:23 2019 From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 16:40:23 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] Using Work Phone, is a Blue Tooth Keyboard Worth Getting In-Reply-To: <88E4FE57-CA83-461A-A6D6-D38B78F64AE1@loevy.com> References: <70F70834-C8F6-4D39-AACB-EC15471A0A2C@gmail.com> <88E4FE57-CA83-461A-A6D6-D38B78F64AE1@loevy.com> Message-ID: Thanks both I have IOS 13, is this an issue for others also? Is it better than the Apple touch keyboard? Thanks very much Ger On 11/17/19, Josh Loevy via BlindLaw wrote: > Flicktype is great, though it stopped working for me after ios 13 > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Nov 17, 2019, at 10:29 AM, Sybren Hoekstra via BlindLaw >> wrote: >> >> Yep, it’s an app designed to allow blind people to use a standard >> keyboard on the screen with relative speed. I find it pretty useful for >> shorter emails and texts. Though I don’t know what countries it is >> available in, and if memory serves me, you are not in the US? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Nov 17, 2019, at 11:22, Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw >>> wrote: >>> >>> Flick type keyboard? >>> >>>>> On 11/17/19, Sybren Hoekstra via BlindLaw wrote: >>>> The flicktype keyboard app can also be very helpful, Especially if you >>>> are >>>> running around Corte a lot and don’t necessarily have a surface to put >>>> down >>>> your phone to use a physical keyboard or braille screen input. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Nov 17, 2019, at 07:45, Aaron Cannon via BlindLaw >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I use my phone extensively with work as well, and I use braille screen >>>>> input to great effect. It's a little slower than using a keyboard, but >>>>> not >>>>> by much, and it means one less thing for me to carry around. >>>>> >>>>> I agree that dictation is a terrible idea. When I see people using it >>>>> in >>>>> professional settings, it makes me cringe. Unless the person is >>>>> meticulous >>>>> in correcting the errors it makes, it's glaringly obvious. And >>>>> unfortunately, unless one is using braille, it's very difficult for a >>>>> VoiceOver user to be meticulous in correcting dictation errors. >>>>> >>>>> Aaron >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> This message was sent from a mobile device >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Nov 17, 2019, at 00:03, Aser Tolentino via BlindLaw >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello, >>>>>> >>>>>> I use my iPhone with a variety of Bluetooth keyboards, from small >>>>>> folding >>>>>> models to full sized mechanical setups. I have found that an external >>>>>> keyboard dramatically improves productivity when working with a phone. >>>>>> I >>>>>> can basically perform most computing tasks from an iOS device, and >>>>>> while >>>>>> you certainly won’t be redlining a multi-page document on one, you’ll >>>>>> be >>>>>> able to work with email, rough drafts and web research with ease. >>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Nov 16, 2019, at 9:55 PM, Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi all >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have a work iPhone. I am not very quick at typing on the iPhone >>>>>>> screen and I wonder if others have found a keyboard worth using with >>>>>>> their phones or how you use your phones? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am a little dubious about using dictation, for a number of reasons. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kind regards >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ger >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/agtolentino%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/cannona%40fireantproductions.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sy.hoekstra%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> BlindLaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sy.hoekstra%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/joshl%40loevy.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com > From sy.hoekstra at gmail.com Sun Nov 17 19:53:39 2019 From: sy.hoekstra at gmail.com (Sybren Hoekstra) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 14:53:39 -0500 Subject: [blindLaw] Using Work Phone, is a Blue Tooth Keyboard Worth Getting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <27CE9F92-DC38-47C1-90DC-462D5800B573@gmail.com> It seems like it’s working again fine with 13.2. But yes, it was not working on earlier versions of 13. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 17, 2019, at 11:43, Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw wrote: > > Thanks both > > I have IOS 13, is this an issue for others also? Is it better than the > Apple touch keyboard? > > Thanks very much > > Ger > >> On 11/17/19, Josh Loevy via BlindLaw wrote: >> Flicktype is great, though it stopped working for me after ios 13 >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Nov 17, 2019, at 10:29 AM, Sybren Hoekstra via BlindLaw >>> wrote: >>> >>> Yep, it’s an app designed to allow blind people to use a standard >>> keyboard on the screen with relative speed. I find it pretty useful for >>> shorter emails and texts. Though I don’t know what countries it is >>> available in, and if memory serves me, you are not in the US? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Nov 17, 2019, at 11:22, Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Flick type keyboard? >>>> >>>>>> On 11/17/19, Sybren Hoekstra via BlindLaw wrote: >>>>> The flicktype keyboard app can also be very helpful, Especially if you >>>>> are >>>>> running around Corte a lot and don’t necessarily have a surface to put >>>>> down >>>>> your phone to use a physical keyboard or braille screen input. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Nov 17, 2019, at 07:45, Aaron Cannon via BlindLaw >>>>>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I use my phone extensively with work as well, and I use braille screen >>>>>> input to great effect. It's a little slower than using a keyboard, but >>>>>> not >>>>>> by much, and it means one less thing for me to carry around. >>>>>> >>>>>> I agree that dictation is a terrible idea. When I see people using it >>>>>> in >>>>>> professional settings, it makes me cringe. Unless the person is >>>>>> meticulous >>>>>> in correcting the errors it makes, it's glaringly obvious. And >>>>>> unfortunately, unless one is using braille, it's very difficult for a >>>>>> VoiceOver user to be meticulous in correcting dictation errors. >>>>>> >>>>>> Aaron >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> This message was sent from a mobile device >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Nov 17, 2019, at 00:03, Aser Tolentino via BlindLaw >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I use my iPhone with a variety of Bluetooth keyboards, from small >>>>>>> folding >>>>>>> models to full sized mechanical setups. I have found that an external >>>>>>> keyboard dramatically improves productivity when working with a phone. >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> can basically perform most computing tasks from an iOS device, and >>>>>>> while >>>>>>> you certainly won’t be redlining a multi-page document on one, you’ll >>>>>>> be >>>>>>> able to work with email, rough drafts and web research with ease. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Nov 16, 2019, at 9:55 PM, Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi all >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have a work iPhone. I am not very quick at typing on the iPhone >>>>>>>> screen and I wonder if others have found a keyboard worth using with >>>>>>>> their phones or how you use your phones? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am a little dubious about using dictation, for a number of reasons. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Kind regards >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ger >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/agtolentino%40gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/cannona%40fireantproductions.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sy.hoekstra%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> BlindLaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sy.hoekstra%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/joshl%40loevy.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sy.hoekstra%40gmail.com From slabarre at labarrelaw.com Mon Nov 18 19:26:27 2019 From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. 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From kaybaycar at gmail.com Wed Nov 20 19:39:22 2019 From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 14:39:22 -0500 Subject: [blindLaw] LSAT Writing with Accommodations Message-ID: Hi everyone, The writing section of the LSAT is currently completed separately from the rest of the test. For people with disabilities, this means traveling to another test location rather than completing the section on our own time. For those who do not request accommodations on the writing section, they will complete it using their online proctoring system. But I suppose this cannot work for those of us who request extra time and other accommodations. For me, this means traveling far out of my way to spend 70 minutes writing an essay that everyone else gets to write without the added trouble and cost. It's frustrating and unfair. Enough ranting though... I am really writing this to warn those of you who plan to take the LSAT in the coming months. You may have to budget extra for transportation so that you can travel to take that one section. If anyone has been able to get reimbursement from LSAC for this extra cost, I'd love to hear from you. But I know it's a long shot. Thankfully, I'm able and willing (though begrudgingly) to pay. Some people cannot spare the $50 or more for a Lyft ride there and back. Due to this and other concerns, I am wondering if there are people out there trying to work with LSAC to make their essay-writing system accessible for and available to people with disabilities. It's definitely doable and possible. Thanks for reading, and best of luck to all of my fellow law school applicationers. :) -- Julie A. McGinnity MM Vocal Performance, 2015; President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division From seifs at umich.edu Thu Nov 21 11:24:43 2019 From: seifs at umich.edu (Seif-Eldeen Saqallah) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 06:24:43 -0500 Subject: [blindLaw] More Bar-accommodation Friendly States? Message-ID: Hello all, I hope you remain warm and well. I am beginning to preplan to take the bar exam in Winter 2021. Are there already existing good threads on applying for accommodations; recommendations on the process; and, importantly, which states (Preferably UBE) more easily grant accommodations and which, unfortunately, have difficult processes or practices? (I know that one's bar jurisdiction should be determined by other factors; this would be a datapoint.) On standardized tests, I previously received: doubletime (100%); a computer with JAWS for an electronic test; and use of a braillenote to write and read in braille. In that framework, is there something else I should also request (that others have requested/find helpful)? I thank you for your assistance and eagerly await your response. Appreciatively yours, most sincerely, Seif -- Seif Saqallah (Pronouns: he/him/his.) University of Michigan Juris Doctor/ Masters in Middle Eastern and North African Studies J.D/M.A Candidate | 2021 International studies, Arabic Studies, and Judaic Studies; Law, Justice, and Social Change B.A | 2017 248-325-7091 seifs at umich.edu Student Attorney | International Transactions Clinic University of Michigan Law School 3120 Jeffries Hall 701 South State Street Ann Arbor, Michigan 48109 www.law.umich.edu/ITC The information in this transmittal (including attachments, if any) is confidential and may contain privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient and have received this transmittal in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply email, delete this communication, and destroy all copies of the transmittal (including attachments, if any). From maurakutnyak at gmail.com Sat Nov 23 21:31:10 2019 From: maurakutnyak at gmail.com (Maura) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 16:31:10 -0500 Subject: [blindLaw] LSAT Writing with Accommodations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <426A5B7E-C7A5-4A92-894D-B145D8EA22C4@gmail.com> Hi friends, When Julies message first landed the content did not display for me. Hence the late reply. I will add, requesting accommodations which track those supplied on the multiple choice section was not enough for me. I was granted double time and told that I could-would supply the sample on my own computer at home. I was never explicitly given the option to travel to a test center. Keep this in mind. You will have to specifically request an amanuensis or ask to use a mainstream word processing program. Thanks Julie for keeping this conversation alive. The flurry of work needed to complete my current degree coupled with application prep has kept me from further action. > On Nov 20, 2019, at 2:39 PM, Julie McGinnity via BlindLaw wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > The writing section of the LSAT is currently completed separately from > the rest of the test. For people with disabilities, this means > traveling to another test location rather than completing the section > on our own time. For those who do not request accommodations on the > writing section, they will complete it using their online proctoring > system. But I suppose this cannot work for those of us who request > extra time and other accommodations. > > For me, this means traveling far out of my way to spend 70 minutes > writing an essay that everyone else gets to write without the added > trouble and cost. It's frustrating and unfair. Enough ranting > though... I am really writing this to warn those of you who plan to > take the LSAT in the coming months. You may have to budget extra for > transportation so that you can travel to take that one section. > > If anyone has been able to get reimbursement from LSAC for this extra > cost, I'd love to hear from you. But I know it's a long shot. > Thankfully, I'm able and willing (though begrudgingly) to pay. Some > people cannot spare the $50 or more for a Lyft ride there and back. > > Due to this and other concerns, I am wondering if there are people out > there trying to work with LSAC to make their essay-writing system > accessible for and available to people with disabilities. It's > definitely doable and possible. > > Thanks for reading, and best of luck to all of my fellow law school > applicationers. :) > > > > > -- > Julie A. McGinnity > MM Vocal Performance, 2015; President, National Federation of the > Blind Performing Arts Division > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/maurakutnyak%40gmail.com From seifs at umich.edu Mon Nov 25 13:47:35 2019 From: seifs at umich.edu (Seif-Eldeen Saqallah) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 08:47:35 -0500 Subject: [blindLaw] More Bar-accommodation Friendly States? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: (Resending; any information is most appreciated.) Hello all, I hope you remain warm and well. I am beginning to preplan to take the bar exam in Winter 2021. Are there already existing good threads on applying for accommodations; recommendations on the process; and, importantly, which states (Preferably UBE) more easily grant accommodations and which, unfortunately, have difficult processes or practices? (I know that one's bar jurisdiction should be determined by other factors; this would be a datapoint.) On standardized tests, I previously received: doubletime (100%); a computer with JAWS for an electronic test; and use of a braillenote to write and read in braille. In that framework, is there something else I should also request (that others have requested/find helpful)? I thank you for your assistance and eagerly await your response. Appreciatively yours, most sincerely, Seif -- Seif Saqallah (Pronouns: he/him/his.) University of Michigan Juris Doctor/ Masters in Middle Eastern and North African Studies J.D/M.A Candidate | 2021 International studies, Arabic Studies, and Judaic Studies; Law, Justice, and Social Change B.A | 2017 248-325-7091 seifs at umich.edu Student Attorney | International Transactions Clinic University of Michigan Law School 3120 Jeffries Hall 701 South State Street Ann Arbor, Michigan 48109 www.law.umich.edu/ITC The information in this transmittal (including attachments, if any) is confidential and may contain privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient and have received this transmittal in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply email, delete this communication, and destroy all copies of the transmittal (including attachments, if any). From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com Tue Nov 26 06:14:37 2019 From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 06:14:37 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] Using Relativity with JAWS or NVDA? Message-ID: Hello all I have been asked if it is possible to use Relativity with JAWS/NVDA and would be really grateful for any tips people may have on this. Thanks so much. Ger From sai at fiatfiendum.org Tue Nov 26 09:25:09 2019 From: sai at fiatfiendum.org (Sai) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 09:25:09 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] More Bar-accommodation Friendly States? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As to other accommodations that I found helpful (on LSAT; haven't taken bar): * food & drink (to have at hand & take at any time) * earplugs / industrial ear muffs (sound isolation / distraction reduction) * separate room with low light (photophobia & distraction reduction) * use of my laptop for essay (ability to edit, not exacerbate neurological issues) * scratch paper (work out problems) * cellphone (kept off / by proctor during test) — for navigation to/from & Uber * 20m break time between sections Should also have requested, but didn't: * more time per section (only asked for 1.6x, not double; could probably get 2.5x or 3x due to multiple disability) * break at any time up to 4h (not just between sections, to lie down if I have symptoms — I have complex neurological issues, but also helps for anxiety) * use of laptop as "scratch paper", internet off (limited to a text editor if they insist, but using an on the fly programming language like Ruby would've been very helpful, and is how I normally work) Time was definitely a major issue — especially for the logic puzzle sections, which require a lot of mental state that changes with each question set, which is cognitively exhausting. Other sections I think I mostly finished under the regular time limit. I hope that helps at least give you ideas. Mind that I have multiple serious disabilities, not just vision. These are all things I can justify pretty well if challenged. What you can get your doctor to sign off on may differ. But if you don't ask, you won't get. Sincerely, Sai President, Fiat Fiendum, Inc., a 501(c)(3) PS Non-gendered pronouns please. NSA et al: I'm a US citizen. Sent from my mobile phone; please excuse the concision and autocorrect errors. On Thu, Nov 21, 2019, 11:26 Seif-Eldeen Saqallah via BlindLaw < blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: > Hello all, > > I hope you remain warm and well. > > I am beginning to preplan to take the bar exam in Winter 2021. > > Are there already existing good threads on applying for accommodations; > recommendations on the process; > and, importantly, which states (Preferably UBE) more easily grant > accommodations and which, unfortunately, have difficult processes or > practices? > (I know that one's bar jurisdiction should be determined by other > factors; this would be a datapoint.) > > On standardized tests, I previously received: > doubletime (100%); > a computer with JAWS for an electronic test; > and use of a braillenote to write and read in braille. > In that framework, is there something else I should also request (that > others have requested/find helpful)? > > I thank you for your assistance and eagerly await your response. > > Appreciatively yours, most sincerely, > Seif > > > -- > Seif Saqallah > (Pronouns: he/him/his.) > University of Michigan > Juris Doctor/ > Masters in Middle Eastern and North African Studies > J.D/M.A Candidate | 2021 > > International studies, Arabic Studies, and Judaic Studies; > Law, Justice, and Social Change > B.A | 2017 > > 248-325-7091 > seifs at umich.edu > > Student Attorney | International Transactions Clinic > University of Michigan Law School > 3120 Jeffries Hall > 701 South State Street > Ann Arbor, Michigan 48109 > www.law.umich.edu/ITC > > The information in this transmittal (including attachments, if any) is > confidential and may contain privileged information. If you are not > the intended recipient and have received this transmittal in error, > please notify the sender immediately by reply email, delete this > communication, and destroy all copies of the transmittal (including > attachments, if any). > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sai%40fiatfiendum.org > From sai at fiatfiendum.org Tue Nov 26 09:32:48 2019 From: sai at fiatfiendum.org (Sai) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 09:32:48 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] More Bar-accommodation Friendly States? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As for the process, there's more I'd really like to add, but I can't right now. If you're a litigator interested in permanent injunction against unlawful LSAC policy & practice that's just outside the scope of the DFEH settlement, please contact me at legal at s.ai, as a privileged prospective attorney-client consultation. Sincerely, Sai President, Fiat Fiendum, Inc., a 501(c)(3) PS Non-gendered pronouns please. NSA et al: I'm a US citizen. Sent from my mobile phone; please excuse the concision and autocorrect errors. On Tue, Nov 26, 2019, 09:25 Sai wrote: > As to other accommodations that I found helpful (on LSAT; haven't taken > bar): > > * food & drink (to have at hand & take at any time) > * earplugs / industrial ear muffs (sound isolation / distraction reduction) > * separate room with low light (photophobia & distraction reduction) > * use of my laptop for essay (ability to edit, not exacerbate neurological > issues) > * scratch paper (work out problems) > * cellphone (kept off / by proctor during test) — for navigation to/from & > Uber > * 20m break time between sections > > Should also have requested, but didn't: > * more time per section (only asked for 1.6x, not double; could probably > get 2.5x or 3x due to multiple disability) > * break at any time up to 4h (not just between sections, to lie down if I > have symptoms — I have complex neurological issues, but also helps for > anxiety) > * use of laptop as "scratch paper", internet off (limited to a text editor > if they insist, but using an on the fly programming language like Ruby > would've been very helpful, and is how I normally work) > > > Time was definitely a major issue — especially for the logic puzzle > sections, which require a lot of mental state that changes with each > question set, which is cognitively exhausting. Other sections I think I > mostly finished under the regular time limit. > > I hope that helps at least give you ideas. > > Mind that I have multiple serious disabilities, not just vision. These are > all things I can justify pretty well if challenged. > > What you can get your doctor to sign off on may differ. But if you don't > ask, you won't get. > > Sincerely, > Sai > President, Fiat Fiendum, Inc., a 501(c)(3) > > PS Non-gendered pronouns please. NSA et al: I'm a US citizen. > > Sent from my mobile phone; please excuse the concision and autocorrect > errors. > > On Thu, Nov 21, 2019, 11:26 Seif-Eldeen Saqallah via BlindLaw < > blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> I hope you remain warm and well. >> >> I am beginning to preplan to take the bar exam in Winter 2021. >> >> Are there already existing good threads on applying for accommodations; >> recommendations on the process; >> and, importantly, which states (Preferably UBE) more easily grant >> accommodations and which, unfortunately, have difficult processes or >> practices? >> (I know that one's bar jurisdiction should be determined by other >> factors; this would be a datapoint.) >> >> On standardized tests, I previously received: >> doubletime (100%); >> a computer with JAWS for an electronic test; >> and use of a braillenote to write and read in braille. >> In that framework, is there something else I should also request (that >> others have requested/find helpful)? >> >> I thank you for your assistance and eagerly await your response. >> >> Appreciatively yours, most sincerely, >> Seif >> >> >> -- >> Seif Saqallah >> (Pronouns: he/him/his.) >> University of Michigan >> Juris Doctor/ >> Masters in Middle Eastern and North African Studies >> J.D/M.A Candidate | 2021 >> >> International studies, Arabic Studies, and Judaic Studies; >> Law, Justice, and Social Change >> B.A | 2017 >> >> 248-325-7091 >> seifs at umich.edu >> >> Student Attorney | International Transactions Clinic >> University of Michigan Law School >> 3120 Jeffries Hall >> 701 South State Street >> Ann Arbor, Michigan 48109 >> www.law.umich.edu/ITC >> >> The information in this transmittal (including attachments, if any) is >> confidential and may contain privileged information. If you are not >> the intended recipient and have received this transmittal in error, >> please notify the sender immediately by reply email, delete this >> communication, and destroy all copies of the transmittal (including >> attachments, if any). >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sai%40fiatfiendum.org >> > From seifs at umich.edu Tue Nov 26 12:42:24 2019 From: seifs at umich.edu (Seif-Eldeen Saqallah) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 07:42:24 -0500 Subject: [blindLaw] More Bar-accommodation Friendly States? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you, most sincerely, for that invaluable information. Peace, Seif On 11/26/19, Sai wrote: > As for the process, there's more I'd really like to add, but I can't right > now. > > If you're a litigator interested in permanent injunction against unlawful > LSAC policy & practice that's just outside the scope of the DFEH > settlement, please contact me at legal at s.ai, as a privileged prospective > attorney-client consultation. > > Sincerely, > Sai > President, Fiat Fiendum, Inc., a 501(c)(3) > > PS Non-gendered pronouns please. NSA et al: I'm a US citizen. > > Sent from my mobile phone; please excuse the concision and autocorrect > errors. > > On Tue, Nov 26, 2019, 09:25 Sai wrote: > >> As to other accommodations that I found helpful (on LSAT; haven't taken >> bar): >> >> * food & drink (to have at hand & take at any time) >> * earplugs / industrial ear muffs (sound isolation / distraction >> reduction) >> * separate room with low light (photophobia & distraction reduction) >> * use of my laptop for essay (ability to edit, not exacerbate >> neurological >> issues) >> * scratch paper (work out problems) >> * cellphone (kept off / by proctor during test) — for navigation to/from >> & >> Uber >> * 20m break time between sections >> >> Should also have requested, but didn't: >> * more time per section (only asked for 1.6x, not double; could probably >> get 2.5x or 3x due to multiple disability) >> * break at any time up to 4h (not just between sections, to lie down if I >> have symptoms — I have complex neurological issues, but also helps for >> anxiety) >> * use of laptop as "scratch paper", internet off (limited to a text >> editor >> if they insist, but using an on the fly programming language like Ruby >> would've been very helpful, and is how I normally work) >> >> >> Time was definitely a major issue — especially for the logic puzzle >> sections, which require a lot of mental state that changes with each >> question set, which is cognitively exhausting. Other sections I think I >> mostly finished under the regular time limit. >> >> I hope that helps at least give you ideas. >> >> Mind that I have multiple serious disabilities, not just vision. These >> are >> all things I can justify pretty well if challenged. >> >> What you can get your doctor to sign off on may differ. But if you don't >> ask, you won't get. >> >> Sincerely, >> Sai >> President, Fiat Fiendum, Inc., a 501(c)(3) >> >> PS Non-gendered pronouns please. NSA et al: I'm a US citizen. >> >> Sent from my mobile phone; please excuse the concision and autocorrect >> errors. >> >> On Thu, Nov 21, 2019, 11:26 Seif-Eldeen Saqallah via BlindLaw < >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: >> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> I hope you remain warm and well. >>> >>> I am beginning to preplan to take the bar exam in Winter 2021. >>> >>> Are there already existing good threads on applying for accommodations; >>> recommendations on the process; >>> and, importantly, which states (Preferably UBE) more easily grant >>> accommodations and which, unfortunately, have difficult processes or >>> practices? >>> (I know that one's bar jurisdiction should be determined by other >>> factors; this would be a datapoint.) >>> >>> On standardized tests, I previously received: >>> doubletime (100%); >>> a computer with JAWS for an electronic test; >>> and use of a braillenote to write and read in braille. >>> In that framework, is there something else I should also request (that >>> others have requested/find helpful)? >>> >>> I thank you for your assistance and eagerly await your response. >>> >>> Appreciatively yours, most sincerely, >>> Seif >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Seif Saqallah >>> (Pronouns: he/him/his.) >>> University of Michigan >>> Juris Doctor/ >>> Masters in Middle Eastern and North African Studies >>> J.D/M.A Candidate | 2021 >>> >>> International studies, Arabic Studies, and Judaic Studies; >>> Law, Justice, and Social Change >>> B.A | 2017 >>> >>> 248-325-7091 >>> seifs at umich.edu >>> >>> Student Attorney | International Transactions Clinic >>> University of Michigan Law School >>> 3120 Jeffries Hall >>> 701 South State Street >>> Ann Arbor, Michigan 48109 >>> www.law.umich.edu/ITC >>> >>> The information in this transmittal (including attachments, if any) is >>> confidential and may contain privileged information. If you are not >>> the intended recipient and have received this transmittal in error, >>> please notify the sender immediately by reply email, delete this >>> communication, and destroy all copies of the transmittal (including >>> attachments, if any). >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sai%40fiatfiendum.org >>> >> > -- Seif Saqallah (Pronouns: he/him/his.) University of Michigan Juris Doctor/ Masters in Middle Eastern and North African Studies J.D/M.A Candidate | 2021 International studies, Arabic Studies, and Judaic Studies; Law, Justice, and Social Change B.A | 2017 248-325-7091 seifs at umich.edu Student Attorney | International Transactions Clinic University of Michigan Law School 3120 Jeffries Hall 701 South State Street Ann Arbor, Michigan 48109 www.law.umich.edu/ITC The information in this transmittal (including attachments, if any) is confidential and may contain privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient and have received this transmittal in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply email, delete this communication, and destroy all copies of the transmittal (including attachments, if any). From cjdavis9193 at gmail.com Tue Nov 26 13:31:49 2019 From: cjdavis9193 at gmail.com (Cody Davis) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 08:31:49 -0500 Subject: [blindLaw] Navigating in Outlook Office 365 Message-ID: <5ddd294a.1c69fb81.36613.5dba@mx.google.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BrianUnitt at holsteinlaw.com Tue Nov 26 16:36:47 2019 From: BrianUnitt at holsteinlaw.com (Brian Unitt) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 16:36:47 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] Navigating in Outlook Office 365 In-Reply-To: <5ddd294a.1c69fb81.36613.5dba@mx.google.com> References: <5ddd294a.1c69fb81.36613.5dba@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Try F6 and Shift-F6. Brian Brian C. Unitt Certified Specialist, Appellate Law The State Bar of California Board of Legal Specialization Holstein, Taylor and Unitt A Professional Corporation 4300 Latham Street, Suite 103 Riverside, CA 92501 Tel: 951-682-7030 Fax: 951-684-8061 www.holsteinlaw.com mailto:brianunitt at holsteinlaw.com From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Cody Davis via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 5:32 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Cody Davis Subject: [blindLaw] Navigating in Outlook Office 365 I am trying to utilize Office 365 Outlook that I purchased for my personal computer because I do not care much for Windows Mail. However, it does not seem to operate the same way it did at my last job, which also used Office 365, I think. I cannot seem to navigate to the folder pane or reading pane using tab as I did on my work PC. Both panes appear visually, so they are not hidden. I just cannot figure out how to navigate to those panes using JAWS. Any suggestions? Cody Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From steve.jacobson at outlook.com Tue Nov 26 17:08:34 2019 From: steve.jacobson at outlook.com (Steve Jacobson) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 17:08:34 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] Navigating in Outlook Office 365 In-Reply-To: References: <5ddd294a.1c69fb81.36613.5dba@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Also try CONTROL-Y to get to a dialog from which one can select folders. I believe there is still a way within the View menu to get the folder pane to be part of the TAB sequence, but I've found it to be unreliable. F6 and CONTROL-Y seem to be reliable, and I've found CONTROL-Y to work best for me. Best regards, Steve Jacobson -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Brian Unitt via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 10:37 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Brian Unitt Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Navigating in Outlook Office 365 Try F6 and Shift-F6. Brian Brian C. Unitt Certified Specialist, Appellate Law The State Bar of California Board of Legal Specialization Holstein, Taylor and Unitt A Professional Corporation 4300 Latham Street, Suite 103 Riverside, CA 92501 Tel: 951-682-7030 Fax: 951-684-8061 https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.holsteinlaw.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C8fce3b8641cd430561d908d7728f0072%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637103830817976665&sdata=5k4RSs545qZ%2FmsVw53yB3%2FL3Di6xXKsKS%2BeozxFJ0S4%3D&reserved=0 mailto:brianunitt at holsteinlaw.com From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Cody Davis via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 5:32 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Cody Davis Subject: [blindLaw] Navigating in Outlook Office 365 I am trying to utilize Office 365 Outlook that I purchased for my personal computer because I do not care much for Windows Mail. However, it does not seem to operate the same way it did at my last job, which also used Office 365, I think. I cannot seem to navigate to the folder pane or reading pane using tab as I did on my work PC. Both panes appear visually, so they are not hidden. I just cannot figure out how to navigate to those panes using JAWS. Any suggestions? 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LaBarre) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 15:11:58 -0700 Subject: [blindLaw] FW: [DRBA] Disability Rights Advocates Berkeley office: Senior Staff Attorney Position In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001601d5a4a6$85d087a0$917196e0$@labarrelaw.com> fyi From: Disability Rights Bar Association On Behalf Of Thomas Zito Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 12:42 PM To: DRBA at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU Subject: [DRBA] Disability Rights Advocates Berkeley office: Senior Staff Attorney Position Hi all, DRA is hiring for a Senior Staff Attorney in our Berkeley, California office (we are also hiring for a Senior Staff Attorney in our NYC office). Job announcement is attached. Folks from this group are encouraged to apply, and please to your networks and colleagues who may be interested. I am happy to answer any questions people may have, please email me directly. 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Name: 2019 Sr Staff Attorney Job Post CA.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 150084 bytes Desc: not available URL: From cjdavis9193 at gmail.com Wed Nov 27 02:55:13 2019 From: cjdavis9193 at gmail.com (cjdavis9193 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 21:55:13 -0500 Subject: [blindLaw] Navigating in Outlook Office 365 In-Reply-To: References: <5ddd294a.1c69fb81.36613.5dba@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <008b01d5a4ce$17674600$4635d200$@gmail.com> Thanks for the suggestions. Not as convenient as using tab, but F6 works. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Brian Unitt via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 11:37 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Brian Unitt Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Navigating in Outlook Office 365 Try F6 and Shift-F6. Brian Brian C. Unitt Certified Specialist, Appellate Law The State Bar of California Board of Legal Specialization Holstein, Taylor and Unitt A Professional Corporation 4300 Latham Street, Suite 103 Riverside, CA 92501 Tel: 951-682-7030 Fax: 951-684-8061 www.holsteinlaw.com mailto:brianunitt at holsteinlaw.com From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Cody Davis via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 5:32 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Cody Davis Subject: [blindLaw] Navigating in Outlook Office 365 I am trying to utilize Office 365 Outlook that I purchased for my personal computer because I do not care much for Windows Mail. However, it does not seem to operate the same way it did at my last job, which also used Office 365, I think. I cannot seem to navigate to the folder pane or reading pane using tab as I did on my work PC. Both panes appear visually, so they are not hidden. I just cannot figure out how to navigate to those panes using JAWS. Any suggestions? Cody Sent from Mail for Windows 10 _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/cjdavis9193%40gmail.co m From amarjain at amarjain.com Wed Nov 27 03:03:27 2019 From: amarjain at amarjain.com (Amar Jain) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 08:33:27 +0530 Subject: [blindLaw] Navigating in Outlook Office 365 In-Reply-To: <008b01d5a4ce$17674600$4635d200$@gmail.com> References: <5ddd294a.1c69fb81.36613.5dba@mx.google.com> <008b01d5a4ce$17674600$4635d200$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000201d5a4cf$41307d20$c3917760$@amarjain.com> This is the default in Office 365 unfortunately. Regards, Amar Jain -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Cody via BlindLaw Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 8:25 AM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: cjdavis9193 at gmail.com Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Navigating in Outlook Office 365 Thanks for the suggestions. Not as convenient as using tab, but F6 works. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Brian Unitt via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 11:37 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Brian Unitt Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Navigating in Outlook Office 365 Try F6 and Shift-F6. Brian Brian C. Unitt Certified Specialist, Appellate Law The State Bar of California Board of Legal Specialization Holstein, Taylor and Unitt A Professional Corporation 4300 Latham Street, Suite 103 Riverside, CA 92501 Tel: 951-682-7030 Fax: 951-684-8061 www.holsteinlaw.com mailto:brianunitt at holsteinlaw.com From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Cody Davis via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 5:32 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Cody Davis Subject: [blindLaw] Navigating in Outlook Office 365 I am trying to utilize Office 365 Outlook that I purchased for my personal computer because I do not care much for Windows Mail. However, it does not seem to operate the same way it did at my last job, which also used Office 365, I think. I cannot seem to navigate to the folder pane or reading pane using tab as I did on my work PC. Both panes appear visually, so they are not hidden. I just cannot figure out how to navigate to those panes using JAWS. Any suggestions? Cody Sent from Mail for Windows 10 _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/cjdavis9193%40gmail.co m _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/amarjain%40amarjain.co m From ainekc at gmail.com Wed Nov 27 08:45:55 2019 From: ainekc at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?=C3=81ine_Kelly-Costello?=) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 09:45:55 +0100 Subject: [blindLaw] Navigating in Outlook Office 365 In-Reply-To: <000201d5a4cf$41307d20$c3917760$@amarjain.com> References: <000201d5a4cf$41307d20$c3917760$@amarjain.com> Message-ID: Control tab (and control shift tab) works with NVDA - you could try it with JAWS? > On 27/11/2019, at 4:05 AM, Amar Jain via BlindLaw wrote: > > This is the default in Office 365 unfortunately. > > Regards, > Amar Jain > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Cody via BlindLaw > Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 8:25 AM > To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' > Cc: cjdavis9193 at gmail.com > Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Navigating in Outlook Office 365 > > Thanks for the suggestions. Not as convenient as using tab, but F6 works. > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Brian Unitt via > BlindLaw > Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 11:37 AM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Brian Unitt > Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Navigating in Outlook Office 365 > > Try F6 and Shift-F6. > > Brian > Brian C. Unitt > Certified Specialist, Appellate Law > The State Bar of California Board of Legal Specialization > > Holstein, Taylor and Unitt > A Professional Corporation > 4300 Latham Street, Suite 103 > Riverside, CA 92501 > Tel: 951-682-7030 > Fax: 951-684-8061 > www.holsteinlaw.com > mailto:brianunitt at holsteinlaw.com > > From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Cody Davis via > BlindLaw > Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 5:32 AM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Cody Davis > Subject: [blindLaw] Navigating in Outlook Office 365 > > I am trying to utilize Office 365 Outlook that I purchased for my personal > computer because I do not care much for Windows Mail. However, it does not > seem to operate the same way it did at my last job, which also used Office > 365, I think. I cannot seem to navigate to the folder pane or reading pane > using tab as I did on my work PC. Both panes appear visually, so they are > not hidden. I just cannot figure out how to navigate to those panes using > JAWS. > > Any suggestions? > > Cody > > Sent from Mail for Windows > 10 > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/cjdavis9193%40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/amarjain%40amarjain.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ainekc%40gmail.com From sy.hoekstra at gmail.com Wed Nov 27 15:34:56 2019 From: sy.hoekstra at gmail.com (Sybren Hoekstra) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 10:34:56 -0500 Subject: [blindLaw] Navigating in Outlook Office 365 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BD6A093-3CAA-42C7-9BCE-41DDD235A6E7@gmail.com> I use this with Jaws all the time. Definitely easier than finding the right function key Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 27, 2019, at 03:47, Áine Kelly-Costello via BlindLaw wrote: > > Control tab (and control shift tab) works with NVDA - you could try it with JAWS? > >> On 27/11/2019, at 4:05 AM, Amar Jain via BlindLaw wrote: >> >> This is the default in Office 365 unfortunately. >> >> Regards, >> Amar Jain >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Cody via BlindLaw >> Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 8:25 AM >> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' >> Cc: cjdavis9193 at gmail.com >> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Navigating in Outlook Office 365 >> >> Thanks for the suggestions. Not as convenient as using tab, but F6 works. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Brian Unitt via >> BlindLaw >> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 11:37 AM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Cc: Brian Unitt >> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Navigating in Outlook Office 365 >> >> Try F6 and Shift-F6. >> >> Brian >> Brian C. Unitt >> Certified Specialist, Appellate Law >> The State Bar of California Board of Legal Specialization >> >> Holstein, Taylor and Unitt >> A Professional Corporation >> 4300 Latham Street, Suite 103 >> Riverside, CA 92501 >> Tel: 951-682-7030 >> Fax: 951-684-8061 >> www.holsteinlaw.com >> mailto:brianunitt at holsteinlaw.com >> >> From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Cody Davis via >> BlindLaw >> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 5:32 AM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Cc: Cody Davis >> Subject: [blindLaw] Navigating in Outlook Office 365 >> >> I am trying to utilize Office 365 Outlook that I purchased for my personal >> computer because I do not care much for Windows Mail. However, it does not >> seem to operate the same way it did at my last job, which also used Office >> 365, I think. I cannot seem to navigate to the folder pane or reading pane >> using tab as I did on my work PC. Both panes appear visually, so they are >> not hidden. I just cannot figure out how to navigate to those panes using >> JAWS. >> >> Any suggestions? >> >> Cody >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows >> 10 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/cjdavis9193%40gmail.co >> m >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/amarjain%40amarjain.co >> m >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ainekc%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sy.hoekstra%40gmail.com From tim at timeldermusic.com Wed Nov 27 19:24:31 2019 From: tim at timeldermusic.com (tim at timeldermusic.com) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 11:24:31 -0800 Subject: [blindLaw] Navigating in Outlook Office 365 In-Reply-To: References: <5ddd294a.1c69fb81.36613.5dba@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <022601d5a558$5262f620$f728e260$@timeldermusic.com> Control "Y" -----Original Message----- From: Brian Unitt Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 8:37 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Navigating in Outlook Office 365 Try F6 and Shift-F6. Brian Brian C. Unitt Certified Specialist, Appellate Law The State Bar of California Board of Legal Specialization Holstein, Taylor and Unitt A Professional Corporation 4300 Latham Street, Suite 103 Riverside, CA 92501 Tel: 951-682-7030 Fax: 951-684-8061 www.holsteinlaw.com mailto:brianunitt at holsteinlaw.com From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Cody Davis via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 5:32 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Cody Davis Subject: [blindLaw] Navigating in Outlook Office 365 I am trying to utilize Office 365 Outlook that I purchased for my personal computer because I do not care much for Windows Mail. However, it does not seem to operate the same way it did at my last job, which also used Office 365, I think. I cannot seem to navigate to the folder pane or reading pane using tab as I did on my work PC. Both panes appear visually, so they are not hidden. I just cannot figure out how to navigate to those panes using JAWS. Any suggestions? Cody Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From sanho817 at gmail.com Fri Nov 29 17:06:08 2019 From: sanho817 at gmail.com (Sanho Steele-Louchart) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2019 11:06:08 -0600 Subject: [blindLaw] Keeping Time in Court Message-ID: All, What is your preferred method for keeping time when in court, especially while giving oral argument? Happy Thanksgiving to those who celebrate, Sanho From agtolentino at gmail.com Fri Nov 29 17:48:27 2019 From: agtolentino at gmail.com (Aser Tolentino) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2019 09:48:27 -0800 Subject: [blindLaw] Keeping Time in Court In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <184D888F-C15C-42BE-9BFE-D5A2386BEEBE@gmail.com> I would use the clock on a braille note taker or display. I hope that helps. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 29, 2019, at 9:07 AM, Sanho Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw wrote: > > All, > > What is your preferred method for keeping time when in court, especially while giving oral argument? > > Happy Thanksgiving to those who celebrate, > Sanho > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/agtolentino%40gmail.com From BrianUnitt at holsteinlaw.com Fri Nov 29 20:16:48 2019 From: BrianUnitt at holsteinlaw.com (Brian Unitt) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2019 20:16:48 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] Keeping Time in Court In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8f113be37a994840879f093274189bf1@holsteinlaw.com> I can only speak to my experience in California. I don't keep track of time during the argument. I just focus my preparation on the key points I need to make, knowing that if the court has questions all bets are off. In the trial court, you seldom have more than five minutes, and the judge will cut off the argument when she has heard enough. In the appellate courts, we generally get 15 minutes. Any party can ask the clerk to provide a five minute warning, and that is all I use. I am too focused on making my points and responding to the court's questions to want to be distracted by checking the time. Your preparation will tell you how much time you are likely to use. Brian Brian C. Unitt Certified Specialist, Appellate Law The State Bar of California Board of Legal Specialization Holstein, Taylor and Unitt A Professional Corporation 4300 Latham Street, Suite 103 Riverside, CA 92501 Tel: 951-682-7030 Fax: 951-684-8061 www.holsteinlaw.com mailto:brianunitt at holsteinlaw.com -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Sanho Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw Sent: Friday, November 29, 2019 9:06 AM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Cc: Sanho Steele-Louchart Subject: [blindLaw] Keeping Time in Court All, What is your preferred method for keeping time when in court, especially while giving oral argument? Happy Thanksgiving to those who celebrate, Sanho _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/brianunitt%40holsteinlaw.com From kelbycarlson at gmail.com Sat Nov 30 14:27:53 2019 From: kelbycarlson at gmail.com (kelby carlson) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2019 09:27:53 -0500 Subject: [blindLaw] Using Work Phone, is a Blue Tooth Keyboard Worth Getting In-Reply-To: <27CE9F92-DC38-47C1-90DC-462D5800B573@gmail.com> References: <27CE9F92-DC38-47C1-90DC-462D5800B573@gmail.com> Message-ID: A bluetooth keyboard is most definitely worth it. I can't use my iPhone in court a lot, because it doesn't have access to our network drive which all our documents are stored on. Even so, for content creation it is very useful. Another option, though more expensive, is using a braille display that also has a keyboard. This is a must if you need to read documents silently in court. > On Nov 17, 2019, at 2:55 PM, Sybren Hoekstra via BlindLaw wrote: > > It seems like it’s working again fine with 13.2. But yes, it was not working on earlier versions of 13. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Nov 17, 2019, at 11:43, Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw wrote: >> >> Thanks both >> >> I have IOS 13, is this an issue for others also? Is it better than the >> Apple touch keyboard? >> >> Thanks very much >> >> Ger >> >>>> On 11/17/19, Josh Loevy via BlindLaw wrote: >>> Flicktype is great, though it stopped working for me after ios 13 >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Nov 17, 2019, at 10:29 AM, Sybren Hoekstra via BlindLaw >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Yep, it’s an app designed to allow blind people to use a standard >>>> keyboard on the screen with relative speed. I find it pretty useful for >>>> shorter emails and texts. Though I don’t know what countries it is >>>> available in, and if memory serves me, you are not in the US? >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Nov 17, 2019, at 11:22, Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Flick type keyboard? >>>>> >>>>>>> On 11/17/19, Sybren Hoekstra via BlindLaw wrote: >>>>>> The flicktype keyboard app can also be very helpful, Especially if you >>>>>> are >>>>>> running around Corte a lot and don’t necessarily have a surface to put >>>>>> down >>>>>> your phone to use a physical keyboard or braille screen input. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Nov 17, 2019, at 07:45, Aaron Cannon via BlindLaw >>>>>>> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I use my phone extensively with work as well, and I use braille screen >>>>>>> input to great effect. It's a little slower than using a keyboard, but >>>>>>> not >>>>>>> by much, and it means one less thing for me to carry around. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I agree that dictation is a terrible idea. When I see people using it >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> professional settings, it makes me cringe. Unless the person is >>>>>>> meticulous >>>>>>> in correcting the errors it makes, it's glaringly obvious. And >>>>>>> unfortunately, unless one is using braille, it's very difficult for a >>>>>>> VoiceOver user to be meticulous in correcting dictation errors. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Aaron >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> This message was sent from a mobile device >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Nov 17, 2019, at 00:03, Aser Tolentino via BlindLaw >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I use my iPhone with a variety of Bluetooth keyboards, from small >>>>>>>> folding >>>>>>>> models to full sized mechanical setups. I have found that an external >>>>>>>> keyboard dramatically improves productivity when working with a phone. >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> can basically perform most computing tasks from an iOS device, and >>>>>>>> while >>>>>>>> you certainly won’t be redlining a multi-page document on one, you’ll >>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>> able to work with email, rough drafts and web research with ease. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Nov 16, 2019, at 9:55 PM, Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi all >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have a work iPhone. I am not very quick at typing on the iPhone >>>>>>>>> screen and I wonder if others have found a keyboard worth using with >>>>>>>>> their phones or how you use your phones? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am a little dubious about using dictation, for a number of reasons. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Kind regards >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ger >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/agtolentino%40gmail.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/cannona%40fireantproductions.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sy.hoekstra%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sy.hoekstra%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> BlindLaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/joshl%40loevy.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sy.hoekstra%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40gmail.com From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com Sat Nov 30 19:40:44 2019 From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2019 19:40:44 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] Using Work Phone, is a Blue Tooth Keyboard Worth Getting In-Reply-To: References: <27CE9F92-DC38-47C1-90DC-462D5800B573@gmail.com> Message-ID: What keyboard would you recommend? On 11/30/19, kelby carlson via BlindLaw wrote: > A bluetooth keyboard is most definitely worth it. I can't use my iPhone in > court a lot, because it doesn't have access to our network drive which all > our documents are stored on. Even so, for content creation it is very > useful. Another option, though more expensive, is using a braille display > that also has a keyboard. This is a must if you need to read documents > silently in court. > >> On Nov 17, 2019, at 2:55 PM, Sybren Hoekstra via BlindLaw >> wrote: >> >> It seems like it’s working again fine with 13.2. But yes, it was not >> working on earlier versions of 13. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Nov 17, 2019, at 11:43, Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw >>> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks both >>> >>> I have IOS 13, is this an issue for others also? Is it better than the >>> Apple touch keyboard? >>> >>> Thanks very much >>> >>> Ger >>> >>>>> On 11/17/19, Josh Loevy via BlindLaw wrote: >>>> Flicktype is great, though it stopped working for me after ios 13 >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Nov 17, 2019, at 10:29 AM, Sybren Hoekstra via BlindLaw >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Yep, it’s an app designed to allow blind people to use a standard >>>>> keyboard on the screen with relative speed. I find it pretty useful for >>>>> shorter emails and texts. Though I don’t know what countries it is >>>>> available in, and if memory serves me, you are not in the US? >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Nov 17, 2019, at 11:22, Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Flick type keyboard? >>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 11/17/19, Sybren Hoekstra via BlindLaw >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> The flicktype keyboard app can also be very helpful, Especially if >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> are >>>>>>> running around Corte a lot and don’t necessarily have a surface to >>>>>>> put >>>>>>> down >>>>>>> your phone to use a physical keyboard or braille screen input. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Nov 17, 2019, at 07:45, Aaron Cannon via BlindLaw >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I use my phone extensively with work as well, and I use braille >>>>>>>> screen >>>>>>>> input to great effect. It's a little slower than using a keyboard, >>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>> by much, and it means one less thing for me to carry around. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I agree that dictation is a terrible idea. When I see people using >>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> professional settings, it makes me cringe. Unless the person is >>>>>>>> meticulous >>>>>>>> in correcting the errors it makes, it's glaringly obvious. And >>>>>>>> unfortunately, unless one is using braille, it's very difficult for >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> VoiceOver user to be meticulous in correcting dictation errors. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Aaron >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> This message was sent from a mobile device >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Nov 17, 2019, at 00:03, Aser Tolentino via BlindLaw >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I use my iPhone with a variety of Bluetooth keyboards, from small >>>>>>>>> folding >>>>>>>>> models to full sized mechanical setups. I have found that an >>>>>>>>> external >>>>>>>>> keyboard dramatically improves productivity when working with a >>>>>>>>> phone. >>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>> can basically perform most computing tasks from an iOS device, and >>>>>>>>> while >>>>>>>>> you certainly won’t be redlining a multi-page document on one, >>>>>>>>> you’ll >>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>> able to work with email, rough drafts and web research with ease. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 16, 2019, at 9:55 PM, Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi all >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have a work iPhone. I am not very quick at typing on the iPhone >>>>>>>>>> screen and I wonder if others have found a keyboard worth using >>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>> their phones or how you use your phones? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I am a little dubious about using dictation, for a number of >>>>>>>>>> reasons. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Kind regards >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ger >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/agtolentino%40gmail.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/cannona%40fireantproductions.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sy.hoekstra%40gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sy.hoekstra%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/joshl%40loevy.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> BlindLaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sy.hoekstra%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kelbycarlson%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com >