[blindLaw] Discrimination
rwayne1 at nyc.rr.com
rwayne1 at nyc.rr.com
Thu Oct 3 14:15:06 UTC 2019
Laura and All:
UEB reduces ambiguities among Braille symbols that mean different things depending on the context, such as the parenthesis and the gg contraction.
For instance, suppose I write in my Braille Sense, "Respondent violated Section 8-107(5)(a)(1) of the Code." When I run it to a text document, all of the parentheses got translated to gg's. I had my assistants all trained to catch them, and I proofread all documents on my desktop before forwarding them to a supervisor. Since I had the luxury of having a fulltime assistant, I did not consider the problem I just described serious enough to warrant training myself to write UEB.
Most or all current Braille publications, such as the NFB "Braille Monitor" are in UEB, so I have to read it. But at my age, training myself to write it would be a challenge. In sum, I suggest every Braille user do whatever is most efficient and causes the least amount of stress.
Ray
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From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Laura Wolk via BlindLaw
Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2019 9:43 AM
To: Kelby Carlson <kelbycarlson at gmail.com>
Cc: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com>; Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [blindLaw] Discrimination
Hi Kelby,
To answer your other questions;
1. From Kelby: Do you proof using UEB or US Braille? I'd assume UEB
would be better at catching errors.
Answer: I don't know UEB. I never bothered to teach myself. So I
just use whatever the old form was called. i'm curious how you think
UEB would be more helpful though, because if it is, I'm willing to
switch!
Using Braille, I'm able to make sure my italicization, highlighting,
bolding, underlining, etc, are correct using Braille marking. I can
also catch little things like extra spaces between words, a missing
quotation mark or parenthesis, or if there are too many tabs. You can
also do this using Jaws's sound schemes, but you'd need to speak to
someone with more knowledge in that area. i'd love to learn more
about it as an option too, in case my Braille display ever dies.
2. From Kelby: What about fonts and colors?
Answer: I solve most of this problem by turning off merge formatting.
I also spot check randomly with insert+f as I'm drafting. Before
turning in any document, I will select the text that is supposed to be
in the normal font (i.e., not headings and things) and change it to
the right font size and style. If the doc is particularly
complicated, I will ask a sighted person to scroll through the doc to
identify any random font changes before I send it to my superior. But
using these methods catches almost all of the errors before a sighted
person needs to look.
On 10/2/19, Kelby Carlson <kelbycarlson at gmail.com> wrote:
> Laura,
>
> This is definitely helpful. I admit I am not proficient at using a
> Braille display with my screen reader, and I'm sure this would be
> helpful. Do you use UEB to proof for things like formatting? In my
> experience it gives far more specific results than regular US braille.
> I assume you would still need some formatting such as fonts and colors
> spoken. (I only recently figured out that oftentimes color is included
> in things I copy and paste which ends up making certain sections of
> documents look very odd; thankfully my office is pretty good at
> bringing these formatting errors to my attention.)
>
> Hopefully these questions aren't bothersome; I have definitely
> realized how important these factors are since beginning work and I am
> still working out the best way of ensuring visual consistency in my
> documents.
>
> On 10/2/19, Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Kelby,
>>
>> A nonbreaking space, like a nonbreaking hyphen, means that word wrap
>> will not break up whatever is on either side of it. So, for instance,
>> if you had the word burden--shifting, and for some reason burden ended
>> up on one line and shifting on another, you'd replace the dash with a
>> nonbreaking hyphen so that the word wouldn't be chopped. A
>> nonbreaking space is, in my experience, customarily used between
>> section and paragraph symbols and the number so as to keep the two
>> together. It's also used in between the periods of an ellipsis. This
>> all depends on the custom of the firm or court you work for, of
>> course. There is a setting in Jaws that is supposed to read out
>> nonbreaking characters (you can find it by activating quick settings
>> and typing in the word breaking), but this is currently not
>> functioning. Vispero is aware and has escalated it.
>>
>> As for formatting, I do most of my proofing in Braille. But I have
>> turned on the setting where Jaws will tell me when spacing changes,
>> which I find very helpful. I also have punctuation set to some, but
>> I've added some customary marks into that, like quotation marks.
>>
>> I hope this is helpful.
>>
>> Laura
>>
>> On 10/2/19, kelby carlson via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> How much formatting information do you all have your screen reader read
>>> as
>>> you are reading through a text? I now have mine set up to read close to
>>> everything while I'm in Word, and while it is kind of distracting it
>>> seems
>>> necessary for proofing.
>>>
>>> I would love to know if there is anywhere that discusses the different
>>> kinds
>>> of hyphens and when to use them. And I have no idea what a non-breaking
>>> space is.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Oct 1, 2019, at 6:53 PM, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw
>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Great I’m glad the workaround is working again! By the way you can also
>>>> do
>>>> this to make Jaws pronounce non-breaking spaces, which also got broken
>>>> somewhere along the way.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 1, 2019, at 6:40 PM, Angela Matney via BlindLaw
>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Laura, I have Word 2016. I just changed the entries for \8220 and
>>>>> \8221
>>>>> to left quote and right quote, respectively, in WordClassic.jdf. By
>>>>> default, both were set to the quote symbol (not sure which one). The
>>>>> changes seem to have taken. I think I will have to make sure I do this
>>>>> for other dictionary files as well. Hopefully it works for you. I’m
>>>>> excited to have these pronounced differently.
>>>>>
>>>>> Angie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Angela Matney, CIPP/US
>>>>> Attorney at Law
>>>>> [Loeb & Loeb LLP]<http://www.loeb.com/>
>>>>> Loeb and Loeb LLP
>>>>> 901 New York Avenue NW, Suite 300 East | Washington, DC 20001
>>>>> Direct Dial: 202.618.5038 | Fax:202.403.3407 |
>>>>> E-mail:amatney at loeb.com<mailto:amatney at loeb.com>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Laura Wolk
>>>>> via
>>>>> BlindLaw
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2019 6:27 PM
>>>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Cc: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Discrimination
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Great! I will try again tomorrow. I just updated again today. I have
>>>>> ms
>>>>> word 2016, but I don't see why that would affect the dictionary
>>>>> manager.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 1, 2019, at 6:09 PM, Brian Unitt via BlindLaw
>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Laura,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, the most recent update of JAWS 2019 and office 365.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brian
>>>>>> Brian C. Unitt
>>>>>> Certified Specialist in Appellate Law
>>>>>> By The State Bar of California
>>>>>> Holstein, Taylor and Unitt
>>>>>> A Professional Corporation
>>>>>> 4300 Latham Street, Suite 103
>>>>>> Riverside, CA 92501
>>>>>> Tel: 951-682-7030
>>>>>> Fax: 951-684-8061
>>>>>> www.holsteinlaw.com
>>>>>> <http://www.holsteinlaw.com%3cBR%3e%3e>mailto:brianunitt at holsteinlaw.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: BlindLaw
>>>>>> <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org>> On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Laura Wolk via BlindLaw
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2019 3:02 PM
>>>>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List
>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>
>>>>>> Cc: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com<mailto:laura.wolk at gmail.com>>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Discrimination
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brian,
>>>>>> I used to do this, but I mentioned in an earlier message that I'm no
>>>>>> longer able to get the dictionary to change those pronunciations.
>>>>>> I've
>>>>>> tole Vispero and they've replicated it. Are you using the latest
>>>>>> version
>>>>>> of Jaws and is it working for you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Oct 1, 2019, at 5:54 PM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw
>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It also does this if the document is an email attachment and viewed
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> html form.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Oct 1, 2019, at 10:37 PM, Angela Matney via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have found that JAWS will do this if you have smart quotes in a
>>>>>>>> text
>>>>>>>> file in notepad. I wish it did it in Word and outlook. Since it
>>>>>>>> does
>>>>>>>> do it in Notepad, it seems it would not be that difficult to port
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> behavior over to the Office products.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Laura Wolk
>>>>>>>> via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2019 4:35 PM
>>>>>>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List
>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>
>>>>>>>> Cc: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com<mailto:laura.wolk at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Discrimination
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Really? Not in my experience. Can you give us an example of what
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> mean?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 10/1/19, Brian Unitt via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> JAWS does this as well.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Brian
>>>>>>>>> Brian C. Unitt
>>>>>>>>> Certified Specialist, Appellate Law
>>>>>>>>> The State Bar of California Board of Legal Specialization
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Holstein, Taylor and Unitt
>>>>>>>>> A Professional Corporation
>>>>>>>>> 4300 Latham Street, Suite 103
>>>>>>>>> Riverside, CA 92501
>>>>>>>>> Tel: 951-682-7030
>>>>>>>>> Fax: 951-684-8061
>>>>>>>>> www.holsteinlaw.com
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.holsteinlaw.com%3cBR%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e>
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.holsteinlaw.com%3cBR%3e%3e>>mailto:brianunitt at holsteinlaw
>>>>>>>>> <%3emailto:brianunitt at holsteinlaw%3cBR%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e> .com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org>>>
>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Kelby Carlson via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2019 10:30 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List
>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cc: Kelby Carlson
>>>>>>>>> <kelbycarlson at gmail.com<mailto:kelbycarlson at gmail.com<mailto:kelbycarlson at gmail.com%3cmailto:kelbycarlson at gmail.com>>>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Discrimination
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For anybody who uses NVDA, you can tell if a quote is a smart
>>>>>>>>> quote
>>>>>>>>> because NVDA will say left/right quote, not just quote.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 9/28/19, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Fair point, Ger. And then to hold me accountable going forward if
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> didn't fix them.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/25/19, Gerard Sadlier
>>>>>>>>>>> <gerard.sadlier at gmail.com<mailto:gerard.sadlier at gmail.com<mailto:gerard.sadlier at gmail.com%3cmailto:gerard.sadlier at gmail.com>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Laura
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I must say, I think the appropriate course for your
>>>>>>>>>>> under-graduate
>>>>>>>>>>> Professors to have followed would have been to:
>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Mark on the substance (since to do otherwise would presumably
>>>>>>>>>>> effect your grades and therefore have a disproportionate impact
>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>> your future); and 2. To tell you they were doing so and why and
>>>>>>>>>>> explain the issues with content.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ger
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/24/19, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Right, exactly. I submitted paper upon paper upon paper in
>>>>>>>>>>>> undergrad with these errors. I was judged based on the
>>>>>>>>>>>> "substance,"
>>>>>>>>>>>> because that's what the profs thought was "equitable." In fact,
>>>>>>>>>>>> it wasn't.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Because no one's going to care about "equity" when you're
>>>>>>>>>>>> tasked
>>>>>>>>>>>> with drafting something for a client. This is why I really
>>>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>>> this is in the back of people's minds... how much extra work
>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>> we going to need to put in to make her work look presentable?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And you are right, Angie. People just don't think to tell. And
>>>>>>>>>>>> they see this stuff and think, it'll only take a second for me
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> fix this... No harm, no foul.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> My example is that I never had Braille marking/sound schemes
>>>>>>>>>>>> turned on for highlighting. I never really thought about
>>>>>>>>>>>> highlighting.
>>>>>>>>>>>> But people at my Firm would highlight things that needed to be
>>>>>>>>>>>> filled in when filing, such as the final word count and the
>>>>>>>>>>>> submission date. So although I would fill in everything, they
>>>>>>>>>>>> were still in yellow. My assistant was just changing
>>>>>>>>>>>> everything.
>>>>>>>>>>>> After I had yet another uncomfortable conversation about how I
>>>>>>>>>>>> knew she thought she was helping, and I really appreciated it,
>>>>>>>>>>>> etc etc etc etc etc, she told me she'd make sure to tell me if
>>>>>>>>>>>> anything similar came up in the future.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Laura
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/24/19, Laura Wolk
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <laura.wolk at gmail.com<mailto:laura.wolk at gmail.com<mailto:laura.wolk at gmail.com%3cmailto:laura.wolk at gmail.com>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ha. You are all proving my point, sadly. The same happened to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> me, except htat my law review editor pointed it out. The same
>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing happens with an apostrophe. A "straight" apostrophe is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ascii value 39, and curly smart apostrophes are 8216 and 8217.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hate to tell you, Angie, but any apostrophes would have come
>>>>>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as straight when drafted in note pad too. This can also happen
>>>>>>>>>>>>> when copy/pasting from Westlaw or briefs or pdfs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been asking people at Vispero to make it possible to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> customize the Jaws word dictionary so that you can add 34 and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> replace it with the word "straight quote" and likewise with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> straight apostrophe.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This used to work, but doesn't anymore. But since Jaws seems
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> be so tempermental these days, you might give it a go and see
>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it works for you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And no, there is no Braille differences between these symbols.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I, too, check for underlying ascii values. I also do a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> control+F
>>>>>>>>>>>>> before submitting any document, searching for a ^34 and ^39.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Placing a caret before the number causes word to search for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ascii value.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Laura
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/24/19, Sanho Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fascinating. JAWS doesn't tell me there's any difference
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatsoever.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How do you access the ASCII information? Similarly, how in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world do we learn these things while we're still in school?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sanho
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/24/19, Angela Matney via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will do my best to describe them. I will only talk about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> double quotes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Straight quotes are tapered, with the narrow end at the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bottom.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The widest point is at the top. There is only one symbol
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> represents the quotation mark, whether it is an opening
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or a closing quote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Curly quotes are also tapered, with the narrow point at the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bottom, but they are curved. The opening quote is shaped
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> similar to a print letter “C,”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its curve facing to the right. The closing quote, on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the enclosed material, is shaped like a backwards “C,” so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its curve faces to the left. It is almost like they are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enclosing the material.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I guess literary braille technically uses smart quotes,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the opening and closing quotes are different. I guess you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could use two apostrophes to represent both opening and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> closing quotes in braille, but I really don’t see that very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> often. I don’t think braille has an equivalent for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> straight quote, but someone please jump in and correct me it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’m wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “Here is a sentence enclosed in smart quotes.”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Here is a sentence enclosed in straight quotes."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I created the second sentence by typing in Notepad and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pasting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it into this email.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you tell the difference?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Angela Matney, CIPP/US
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Attorney at Law
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [Loeb & Loeb LLP]<http://www.loeb.com/> Loeb and Loeb LLP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 901 New York Avenue NW, Suite 300 East | Washington, DC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20001
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>>>>> <mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.or%0b>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> g>> On Behalf Of Ray Wayne via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2019 4:40 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rwayne1 at nyc.rr.com<mailto:rwayne1 at nyc.rr.com<mailto:rwayne1 at nyc.rr.com%3cmailto:rwayne1 at nyc.rr.com>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Discrimination
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was wondering that also. Is there a Braille symbol for a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> smart quote?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ray Wayne, New York City
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.or
>>>>> <mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.or%0b>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> g<mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw-bounces
>>>>> <mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw-bounces%0b>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> @nfbnet.org>>> On Behalf Of Shannon via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2019 4:18 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindla
>>>>> <mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindla%0b>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> w at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:w at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Shannon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sbg at sbgaal.com<mailto:sbg at sbgaal.com<mailto:sbg at sbgaal.com%3c
>>>>> <mailto:sbg at sbgaal.com%3cmailto:sbg at sbgaal.com%3cmailto:sbg at sbgaal.com%3c%0b>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> mailto:sbg at sbgaal.com>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Discrimination
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry Laura,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I was trying to do too many things at once. My
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> question
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was regarding knowing the difference between a straight and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> smart quote/apostrophe?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am not sure I know what a smart quote is. Can you explain.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shannon Brady Geihsler
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1212 Texas Avenue
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lubbock, Texas 79401
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Office: (806) 763-3999
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mobile: (806) 781-9296
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fax: (806) 749-3752
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> E-Mail:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sbg at sbgaal.com<mailto:sbg at sbgaal.com<mailto:sbg at sbgaal.com%3cm<mailto:sbg at sbgaal.com%3cmailto:sbg at sbgaal.com%3cmailto:sbg at sbgaal.com%3cm>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of Laura Wolk via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2019 2:36 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Laura Wolk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Discrimination
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shannon, would you mind repeating your question? I don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quite
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understand what you are trying to ask.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As to the broader conversation, I think what I'm trying to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at is that we have to face the sad but true reality that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are, in fact, blind attorneys out there who produce work of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lesser visual quality, whose firms or legal assistants or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever come along behind and clean up the work.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happens. And no one ever tells the person, so, as Angie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the person continues to remain unaware of the errors they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over and over again, and the people continue to believe that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the blind person is not as capable as the rest of their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> peers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This has happened to me also. I have even had conversations
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where I initially pressed the superior to give me blind
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> specific feedback, they said nothing was wrong, then I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pressed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and said "this is very important to me. Whatever you tell
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will be able to figure out a way to address it." And then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they did give me some feedback.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> friend and former co-clerk works with a blind guy and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> noticed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that his emails were formatted whackily. The junior partner
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> told my friend not to say anything but, being friends with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he knew it was the right thing to do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course, the blind attorney was very grateful and a bit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> embarrassed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is the stuff I'm talking about. We need to be real about the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> soft skills help we need, and we need to create awareness
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is indeed OK to tell a blind person "Hey, Just an FYI, you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> occasionally doing something that makes your documents look
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> strange."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Laura
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/24/19, Sanho Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Laura and all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for such an enlightening discussion surrounding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> employment discrimination. I have planned conversations
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a couple of attorneys responsible for hiring associates and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will ask them for more information. Laura, I will send you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> email off-list to learn more from your perspective.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Warmth,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sanho
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/24/19, Cody Davis via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was able to secure a temporary position at my law school
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> following graduation and licensure. Now, that temporary
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> position is ending next Monday. And, despite my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wholehearted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> efforts over the last 6 months to find work, I have no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> employment lined up. (Somewhat jokingly) I’m far too
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bitter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at this point to sell someone on a career in law. I think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meredith and James have done an excellent job of giving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all you should consider in looking to go to law school.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was initially reluctant to do any disability rights
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> related work in law school because I did not want to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> placed in that box either.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But, I looked for work in that area assuming that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> employers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in that area might be a bit more understanding and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> educated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was wrong. Do not assume that those who practice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disability rights law are any less susceptible to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> biases, misperceptions, or lack of understanding that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leads
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to employment discrimination.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the best thing to do, James, is to continue
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> educating folks on the reality that blind or visually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impaired attorneys are as capable as their sighted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> counterparts in all but a very few ways. My local bar has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> created a Taskforce to address, among other issues,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> employment discrimination against persons with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disabilities
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the legal profession. We are trying to provide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> education
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to members of the bar on the capacity of lawyers with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disabilities in the hopes that this will alleviate some of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the underlying causes of employment discrimination.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is done by presenting at meetings of the local bench
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and bar, hosting CLE’s, and publishing writings like the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blog post linked below.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.wakecountybar.org/blogpost/727449/Professionalis
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.wakecountybar.org/blogpost/727449/Professionalis%3cBR%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> m-Co
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mmitt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.wakecountybar.org/blogpost/727449/Professionali
>>>>> <https://www.wakecountybar.org/blogpost/727449/Professionali%3cBR%3e>>>>>>>>>>>>>><%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e>
>>>>> sm-C
>>>>>>>> <https://www.wakecountybar.org/blogpost/727449/Professionalism-C%0b>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <%3e%3e%3cBR%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ommitt%3cBR%3e%3e%3e>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Maura Kutnyak via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cody, James, Meredith, what might you all offer as good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reasons for people like myself and Sanho pursuing a legal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> degree? I took the LSAT this past Saturday. I am proud of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that for whatever it’s worth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That said, it can be hard to persevere when such
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anecdotes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide a majority of what we used to fill our sales.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, I have often been paranoid about the existence of a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> phenomenon such as the one you indicate Cody. I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worried that someone will see my GPA and somehow assume
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that all of my professors have independently decided to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> generous and grant grades which I do not deserve. This is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of course irrational but still what I’m hearing supports
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that fear.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am interested in a few different areas of the law. I am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not particularly drawn to disability rights. One of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reasons why is that I don’t want to be silo into a field
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which others expect me to enter. I don’t want to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> limited
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to practice law in an area related to one of my most
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> visible and perceptibly limiting characteristics.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All of that said, I can see how that may be the most
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> excepting field of practice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Damn darn heck! Anyway, please forgive some of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dictation errors.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am following my one year-old around as I compose. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don’t
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have time to perfect this dispatch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks so much everyone for your insight.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maura Kutnyak
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 716-563-9882
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 1:52 PM, Cody Davis via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> James’ point is spot on.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What I find even more disturbing than James’ observation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is that the experience a blind candidate may possess by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way of externships and internships does not seem to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assuage employers’ concerns about the candidates’
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ability
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to practice. Despite my four externships during law
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> school
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in which I was able to perform the work assigned to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> satisfaction of my supervisors, I think employers still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doubt my abilities to deliver the work they expect.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shouldn’t my history of success in the workplace
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my ability to thrive in practice?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have also found that fellow attorneys and people in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> general have no issue trusting that I am capable to do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something, so long as I am not being paid to do it. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> absolutely no problem securing volunteer or community
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> involvement opportunities. .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 1:12 PM, Meredith Ballard via
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> James,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think you summed it up perfectly with performance in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> law school being seen as a parlor trick. Despite the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fact
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that I had a degree and a license, I was asked in a job
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interview how I got those things if I can’t read a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> physical book. They seemed to be under the impression
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that someone must have helped me with all my schooling.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have noticed a big difference in how I am treated by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other attorneys when they find out I have my own firm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> versus how I was treated when I was first out of school
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and looking for a job.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you work for yourself other attorneys see you as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they can potentially work with and it is easier to make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> connections.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Discrimination in the hiring process is more intense
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I thought it would be before entering the profession.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meredith Ballard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 12:44 PM, Maura Kutnyak via
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> James, your candor is both refreshing and stimulus for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heart break.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maura Kutnyak
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 716-563-9882 <tel:716-563-9882>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 12:37 PM, James T. Fetter via
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>>>>> <mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%0b>>>>
>>>>> <mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%0b>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%20%
>>>>> <mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%20%25%0b>>>>
>>>>> <mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%20%25%0b>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I recently heard from a friend of mine--also blind,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also an attorney, practicing for quite some time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now--that many employers pretty much look at a blind
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person's success in law school as a "parlor trick"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not an indication of your ability to thrive in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> practice. I think he's right, and it makes a great
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of sense in light of my experience.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Too many employers do not equate doing well in law
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> school, which is still extremely important by the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with all the things that law school doesn't prepare
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for: taking depositions, handling contentious
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meetings
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with opposing counsel, reviewing documents, and, of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course, handling evidence with any kind of visual
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aspect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> almost have to prove that you can do all of these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things before being?? seen as potentially able to do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them in practice. I understand that things are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> somewhat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> less grim for people who have clerkships. I will soon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find out if this is true in my own case. I also don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know if the same fears cloud employers'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> judgments in a transactional or compliance?? setting,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> given the nature of the work. So, be prepared for a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of rejection, but still be the best possible
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> candidate,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so that you can be competitive for opportunities that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can act as a bridge to a long-term, full-time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> position.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/24/2019 11:42 AM, Cody Davis via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Remarkably discriminatory. Far more so than my naive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> self thought when I was first licensed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 10:43 AM, Sanho Steele-Louchart
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailt
>>>>> <mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailt%0b>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> o:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good morning. How discriminatory have you found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hiring practices so far? Messages are welcome on or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off-list.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Warmth,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sanho
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aura
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>>>>> maur
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>>>>> maur
>>>>>>>> <http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/maur%0b>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> akut
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mau
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 40gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> %3e%3e%3e><http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbn
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>>>>> vis9
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:BlindLaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:aw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:BlindLaw at nfbnet.org>>>
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>>>>> 40gmai%3cBR%3e%3e%3e>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 40n
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>>>>> <http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/laura.wo%3cBR%3e>>>>>>>>>>><%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e>
>>>>> lk%254%3cBR%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e> 0gmail.com
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>>>>>>>>>> 40g
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