[blindLaw] Discrimination

Wed Sep 25 18:56:39 UTC 2019

Yes, and, as I've said before, part of being a baby lawyer **is**
taking responsibility for the formatting and more importantly
proofreading so that the highers-up with the larger pay rates don't
have to.

Angie, so to be completely honest I have stopped using Randy's method
ever since I found out it isn't 100% accurate.  It's possible that
word has gotten better at this.  But one instance where it would
happen frequently would be with internal quotes, marked with
apostrophes.  The first, opening one would always be facing the wrong
way.

Laura

On 9/25/19, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Angela, I agree about the need to be pragmatic. There’s no point, for
> instance, in adopting a categorical approach that one will always format
> one’s documents oneself. If that ends up imposing an onerous burden on you
> or the firm, time and energy- wise, it would be better, for everyone
> involved, to seek help. Being in a position where this becomes a genuine
> choice, rather than just the way things always are, however, is crucial.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 25, 2019, at 7:15 PM, Angela Matney <amatney at loeb.com> wrote:
>>
>> Rahul, I agree, to a point. I always take whatever steps I can (within
>> reason) to format a document correctly, because this is often more
>> efficient. Sometimes, however, it is not practical for me to deal with
>> certain attributes of the document. Just as other attorneys at my firm
>> “outsource” similar work to their assistants or to our Word Processing
>> department, I use these resources when I need to do so. I will also ask
>> them to reformat documents prepared by others if necessary for
>> accessibility-related reasons.
>>
>> I think we all have to figure out what works best, given the time and
>> resources available to us. I like knowing that, if I had to, I could deal
>> with most formatting issues independently. But I’m also glad that I do
>> occasionally have the option to delegate some of this, just as other
>> attorneys in my firm do.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Angie
>>
>>
>>
>> Angela Matney, CIPP/US
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>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj via
>> BlindLaw
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2019 2:05 PM
>> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Discrimination
>>
>>
>>
>> I have often wished that people would clearly tell me what I could
>> precisely do, to make the document look better. To the extent I can, I’d
>> be very happy to do whatever needs doing. The satisfaction of knowing that
>> it is solely your work product outstrips the effort involved in getting it
>> right. Before I came back to law school for my postgraduate education,
>> when I was working at a law firm, the fact that I always had to get my
>> documents formatted by someone used to really irk me. It used to also
>> reduce the pace at which I could deliver the work I was assigned.
>>
>> I will also say that it’s important that the feedback be given in ways
>> that are constructive. A partner I was once working for said that he could
>> not review at a document that was ‘crooked’ when I turned in my brief for
>> his review.
>>
>> Lastly, I agree that academia also needs to hold blind folks to higher
>> standards. A few months ago, I was speaking with two blind friends at
>> Oxford who were pursuing the MPhil in Law - a research degree. One of them
>> had just received comments on her work. She did not know how to view
>> comments. I was really shocked. Both of them did not know how to use quick
>> navigation keys, the virtual viewer, etc. More important, they didn’t even
>> regard this as a glaring omission. My friend said the keystrokes I was
>> telling her were far too many for her to remember and that she’d sit with
>> me some other time to go over them. She never reached out to do this.
>>
>> You cannot solve a problem whose existence you refuse to acknowledge.
>>
>> Rahul
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Sep 25, 2019, at 5:58 PM, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw
>> > <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Randy,
>> >
>> > I used to do it this way, until someone told me that sometimes finding
>> > and replacing quotes and apostrophes like that causes some of them to
>> > face the wrong way.
>> >
>> > Laura
>> >
>> >> On 9/25/19, Farber, Randy <rfarber at jw.com> wrote:
>> >> Hello All - I'm a little late to this conversation. I have made it a
>> >> habit
>> >> to always use smart quotes. This makes it easier to make sure that I
>> >> always
>> >> have it correct in Word documents. There is a setting in Word to always
>> >> use
>> >> smart quotes. I have turned on this option. Now whenever I think there
>> >> could be a problem with quotes (usually from receiving a document
>> >> prepared
>> >> by someone else or from copying text from outside Word) all I have to
>> >> do is
>> >> a search and replace. I search for a quote and replace it with a quote.
>> >> Because of the smart quote option all of my quotes are now smart quotes
>> >> and
>> >> I don't have to check them. This will also work with apostrophes.
>> >>
>> >> Randy
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Laura Wolk
>> >> via
>> >> BlindLaw
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2019 7:46 AM
>> >> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Cc: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com>
>> >> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Discrimination
>> >>
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>> >>
>> >> They aren't. It's just a visual difference left over from typewriter
>> >> days.
>> >>
>> >>> On 9/24/19, Shannon via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >>> How are they used differently?
>> >>>
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>> >>>
>> >>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 4:14 PM, Angela Matney via BlindLaw
>> >>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Sanho, to access the ASCII information, press numpad 5 three times in
>> >>>> rapid succession when the cursor is on the quote.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> As for how we are expected to learn these things … I think the
>> >>>> problem is this is one of those things that is so obvious to sighted
>> >>>> people that it might never get discussed verbally.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I think maybe we all, especially those of us without visual memories,
>> >>>> have a number of these little “holes” in how we perceive the world.
>> >>>> Many of them get corrected while we are pretty young.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I remember once when I was pretty little, and my younger brother and
>> >>>> sister told me I had watermelon juice on my hands and face. I asked
>> >>>> them how they knew, and they told me they could see it. “How can you
>> >>>> see watermelon juice?” I asked. They didn’t understand why I would
>> >>>> ask this question. Eventually, it came out that I thought watermelon
>> >>>> juice was clear, like water, because of its name. (Hint: It’s really,
>> >>>> really not!)
>> >>>>
>> >>>> That is an example of a visual thing that no one ever thought to
>> >>>> explain to me before that time. I was a little kid when this
>> >>>> particular misapprehension on my part was corrected; but the one
>> >>>> about quotes didn’t get fixed until I was much older. I told a friend
>> >>>> earlier that I thought it might have been while I was in law school,
>> >>>> but I actually think I knew there were different quotes before that—I
>> >>>> just didn’t realize that sometimes, Word was inserting one, and
>> >>>> sometimes
>> >>>> the other.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Best,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Angie
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Angela Matney, CIPP/US
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>> >>>> Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw
>> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2019 5:01 PM
>> >>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>> Cc: Sanho Steele-Louchart <sanho817 at gmail.com>
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Discrimination
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Fascinating. JAWS doesn't tell me there's any difference whatsoever.
>> >>>> How do you access the ASCII information? Similarly, how in the world
>> >>>> do we learn these things while we're still in school?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Sanho
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On 9/24/19, Angela Matney via BlindLaw
>> >>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>> >>>>> I will do my best to describe them. I will only talk about double
>> >>>>> quotes.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Straight quotes are tapered, with the narrow end at the bottom. The
>> >>>>> widest point is at the top. There is only one symbol that represents
>> >>>>> the quotation mark, whether it is an opening quote or a closing
>> >>>>> quote.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Curly quotes are also tapered, with the narrow point at the bottom,
>> >>>>> but they are curved. The opening quote is shaped similar to a print
>> >>>>> letter “C,”
>> >>>>> with
>> >>>>> its curve facing to the right. The closing quote, on the right of
>> >>>>> the enclosed material, is shaped like a backwards “C,” so its curve
>> >>>>> faces to the left. It is almost like they are enclosing the
>> >>>>> material.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I guess literary braille technically uses smart quotes, since the
>> >>>>> opening and closing quotes are different. I guess you could use two
>> >>>>> apostrophes to represent both opening and closing quotes in braille,
>> >>>>> but I really don’t see that very often. I don’t think braille has an
>> >>>>> equivalent for the straight quote, but someone please jump in and
>> >>>>> correct me it I’m wrong.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> “Here is a sentence enclosed in smart quotes.”
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> "Here is a sentence enclosed in straight quotes."
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I created the second sentence by typing in Notepad and pasting it
>> >>>>> into this email.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Can you tell the difference?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Angela Matney, CIPP/US
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>> >>>>> Behalf Of Ray Wayne via BlindLaw
>> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2019 4:40 PM
>> >>>>> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List'
>> >>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>
>> >>>>> Cc: rwayne1 at nyc.rr.com<mailto:rwayne1 at nyc.rr.com>
>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Discrimination
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I was wondering that also. Is there a Braille symbol for a smart
>> >>>>> quote?
>> >>>>> Ray Wayne, New York City
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>> From: BlindLaw
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>> >>>>> to:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>>> On Behalf
>> >>>>> Of Shannon via BlindLaw
>> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2019 4:18 PM
>> >>>>> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List'
>> >>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbn
>> >>>>> et.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>>
>> >>>>> Cc: Shannon
>> >>>>> <sbg at sbgaal.com<mailto:sbg at sbgaal.com<mailto:sbg at sbgaal.com%3cmailto
>> >>>>> :sbg at sbgaal.com>>>
>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Discrimination
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Sorry Laura,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Sorry, I was trying to do too many things at once. My question was
>> >>>>> regarding knowing the difference between a straight and smart
>> >>>>> quote/apostrophe?
>> >>>>> I am not sure I know what a smart quote is. Can you explain.
>> >>>>> Thanks!
>> >>>>> Sincerely,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Shannon Brady Geihsler
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
>> >>>>> 1212 Texas Avenue
>> >>>>> Lubbock, Texas 79401
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>> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> >>>>> Laura Wolk via BlindLaw
>> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2019 2:36 PM
>> >>>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List
>> >>>>> Cc: Laura Wolk
>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Discrimination
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Shannon, would you mind repeating your question? I don't quite
>> >>>>> understand what you are trying to ask.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> As to the broader conversation, I think what I'm trying to get at is
>> >>>>> that we have to face the sad but true reality that there are, in
>> >>>>> fact, blind attorneys out there who produce work of lesser visual
>> >>>>> quality, whose firms or legal assistants or whatever come along
>> >>>>> behind and clean up the work.
>> >>>>> It
>> >>>>> happens. And no one ever tells the person, so, as Angie said, the
>> >>>>> person continues to remain unaware of the errors they make over and
>> >>>>> over again, and the people continue to believe that the blind person
>> >>>>> is not as capable as the rest of their peers. This has happened to
>> >>>>> me also. I have even had conversations where I initially pressed the
>> >>>>> superior to give me blind specific feedback, they said nothing was
>> >>>>> wrong, then I pressed and said "this is very important to me.
>> >>>>> Whatever you tell me, I will be able to figure out a way to address
>> >>>>> it." And then they did give me some feedback.
>> >>>>> A
>> >>>>> friend and former co-clerk works with a blind guy and noticed that
>> >>>>> his emails were formatted whackily. The junior partner told my
>> >>>>> friend not to say anything but, being friends with me, he knew it
>> >>>>> was the right thing to do.
>> >>>>> Of course, the blind attorney was very grateful and a bit
>> >>>>> embarrassed.
>> >>>>> This
>> >>>>> is the stuff I'm talking about. We need to be real about the soft
>> >>>>> skills help we need, and we need to create awareness that is indeed
>> >>>>> OK to tell a blind person "Hey, Just an FYI, you are occasionally
>> >>>>> doing something that makes your documents look strange."
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Laura
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On 9/24/19, Sanho Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw
>> >>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbn
>> >>>>> et.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>>
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>> Laura and all,
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Thank you for such an enlightening discussion surrounding
>> >>>>>> employment discrimination. I have planned conversations with a
>> >>>>>> couple of attorneys responsible for hiring associates and will ask
>> >>>>>> them for more information. Laura, I will send you an email off-list
>> >>>>>> to learn more from your perspective.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Warmth,
>> >>>>>> Sanho
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On 9/24/19, Cody Davis via BlindLaw
>> >>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfb
>> >>>>>> net.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>>
>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>> I was able to secure a temporary position at my law school
>> >>>>>>> following graduation and licensure. Now, that temporary position
>> >>>>>>> is ending next Monday. And, despite my wholehearted efforts over
>> >>>>>>> the last 6 months to find work, I have no employment lined up.
>> >>>>>>> (Somewhat jokingly) I’m far too bitter at this point to sell
>> >>>>>>> someone on a career in law. I think Meredith and James have done
>> >>>>>>> an excellent job of giving you all you should consider in looking
>> >>>>>>> to
>> >>>>>>> go to law school.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I was initially reluctant to do any disability rights related work
>> >>>>>>> in law school because I did not want to be placed in that box
>> >>>>>>> either.
>> >>>>>>> But, I looked for work in that area assuming that employers in
>> >>>>>>> that area might be a bit more understanding and educated. I was
>> >>>>>>> wrong. Do not assume that those who practice disability rights law
>> >>>>>>> are any less susceptible to the biases, misperceptions, or lack of
>> >>>>>>> understanding that leads to employment discrimination.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I think the best thing to do, James, is to continue educating
>> >>>>>>> folks on the reality that blind or visually impaired attorneys are
>> >>>>>>> as capable as their sighted counterparts in all but a very few
>> >>>>>>> ways. My local bar has created a Taskforce to address, among other
>> >>>>>>> issues, employment discrimination against persons with
>> >>>>>>> disabilities in the legal profession. We are trying to provide
>> >>>>>>> education to members of the bar on the capacity of lawyers with
>> >>>>>>> disabilities in the hopes that this will alleviate some of the
>> >>>>>>> underlying causes of employment discrimination. This is done by
>> >>>>>>> presenting at meetings of the local bench and bar, hosting CLE’s,
>> >>>>>>> and publishing writings like the blog post linked below.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> https://www.wakecountybar.org/blogpost/727449/Professionalism-Comm
>> >>>>>>> itt
>> >>>>>>> <https://www.wakecountybar.org/blogpost/727449/Professionalism-Com
>> >>>>>>>> mitt%3cBR%3e%3e%3e>
>> >>>>>>> <https://www.wakecountybar.org/blogpost/727449/Professionalism-Com
>> >>>>>>>> mitt%3cBR%3e%3e%3e%3e%3chttps:/www.wakecountybar.org/blogpost/7274
>> >>>>>>> 49/Professionalism-Committ%3cBR%3e%3e%3e%3e%3cBR%3e%3e%3e%3e>
>> >>>>>>> ee
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Maura Kutnyak via BlindLaw
>> >>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at n
>> >>>>>>>> fbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>>
>> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Cody, James, Meredith, what might you all offer as good reasons
>> >>>>>>>> for people like myself and Sanho pursuing a legal degree? I took
>> >>>>>>>> the LSAT this past Saturday. I am proud of that for whatever it’s
>> >>>>>>>> worth.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> That said, it can be hard to persevere when such anecdotes
>> >>>>>>>> provide a majority of what we used to fill our sales.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Also, I have often been paranoid about the existence of a
>> >>>>>>>> phenomenon such as the one you indicate Cody. I have worried that
>> >>>>>>>> someone will see my GPA and somehow assume that all of my
>> >>>>>>>> professors have independently decided to be generous and grant
>> >>>>>>>> grades which I do not deserve. This is of course irrational but
>> >>>>>>>> still what I’m hearing supports that fear.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> I am interested in a few different areas of the law. I am not
>> >>>>>>>> particularly drawn to disability rights. One of the reasons why
>> >>>>>>>> is that I don’t want to be silo into a field which others expect
>> >>>>>>>> me to enter. I don’t want to be limited to practice law in an
>> >>>>>>>> area related to one of my most visible and perceptibly limiting
>> >>>>>>>> characteristics.
>> >>>>>>>> All of that said, I can see how that may be the most excepting
>> >>>>>>>> field of practice.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Damn darn heck! Anyway, please forgive some of the dictation
>> >>>>>>>> errors.
>> >>>>>>>> I am following my one year-old around as I compose. I don’t have
>> >>>>>>>> time to perfect this dispatch.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Thanks so much everyone for your insight.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Maura Kutnyak
>> >>>>>>>> 716-563-9882
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 1:52 PM, Cody Davis via BlindLaw
>> >>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw@
>> >>>>>>>>> nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> James’ point is spot on.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> What I find even more disturbing than James’ observation is that
>> >>>>>>>>> the experience a blind candidate may possess by way of
>> >>>>>>>>> externships and internships does not seem to assuage employers’
>> >>>>>>>>> concerns about the candidates’ ability to practice. Despite my
>> >>>>>>>>> four externships during law school in which I was able to
>> >>>>>>>>> perform the work assigned to the satisfaction of my supervisors,
>> >>>>>>>>> I think employers still doubt my abilities to deliver the work
>> >>>>>>>>> they expect. Shouldn’t my history of success in the workplace
>> >>>>>>>>> evidence my ability to thrive in practice?
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> I have also found that fellow attorneys and people in general
>> >>>>>>>>> have no issue trusting that I am capable to do something, so
>> >>>>>>>>> long as I am not being paid to do it. I have absolutely no
>> >>>>>>>>> problem securing volunteer or community involvement
>> >>>>>>>>> opportunities.
>> >>>>>>>>> .
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 1:12 PM, Meredith Ballard via BlindLaw
>> >>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw
>> >>>>>>>>>> @nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> James,
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> I think you summed it up perfectly with performance in law
>> >>>>>>>>>> school being seen as a parlor trick. Despite the fact that I
>> >>>>>>>>>> had a degree and a license, I was asked in a job interview how
>> >>>>>>>>>> I got those things if I can’t read a physical book. They seemed
>> >>>>>>>>>> to be under the impression that someone must have helped me
>> >>>>>>>>>> with all my schooling.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> I have noticed a big difference in how I am treated by other
>> >>>>>>>>>> attorneys when they find out I have my own firm versus how I
>> >>>>>>>>>> was treated when I was first out of school and looking for a
>> >>>>>>>>>> job. When you work for yourself other attorneys see you as
>> >>>>>>>>>> someone they can potentially work with and it is easier to make
>> >>>>>>>>>> connections.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Discrimination in the hiring process is more intense than I
>> >>>>>>>>>> thought it would be before entering the profession.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Meredith Ballard
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 12:44 PM, Maura Kutnyak via BlindLaw
>> >>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindla
>> >>>>>>>>>>> w at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> James, your candor is both refreshing and stimulus for heart
>> >>>>>>>>>>> break.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Maura Kutnyak
>> >>>>>>>>>>> 716-563-9882 <tel:716-563-9882>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 12:37 PM, James T. Fetter via BlindLaw
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>> >>>> <mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%0b>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> <mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%20%3cmailto:bl
>> >>>> indlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet
>> >>>> .org%20%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I recently heard from a friend of mine--also blind, also an
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> attorney, practicing for quite some time now--that many
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> employers pretty much look at a blind person's success in law
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> school as a "parlor trick"
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> not an indication of your ability to thrive in practice. I
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> think he's right, and it makes a great deal of sense in light
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> of my experience.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Too many employers do not equate doing well in law school,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> which is still extremely important by the way, with all the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> things that law school doesn't prepare you for: taking
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> depositions, handling contentious meetings with opposing
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> counsel, reviewing documents, and, of course, handling
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> evidence with any kind of visual aspect to it.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> You
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> almost have to prove that you can do all of these things
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> before being?? seen as potentially able to do them in
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> practice. I understand that things are somewhat less grim for
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> people who have clerkships. I will soon find out if this is
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> true in my own case. I also don't know if the same fears
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> cloud
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> employers'
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> judgments in a transactional or compliance?? setting, given
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> the nature of the work. So, be prepared for a lot of
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> rejection, but still be the best possible candidate, so that
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> you can be competitive for opportunities that can act as a
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> bridge to a long-term, full-time position.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/24/2019 11:42 AM, Cody Davis via BlindLaw wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Remarkably discriminatory. Far more so than my naive self
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> thought when I was first licensed.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 10:43 AM, Sanho Steele-Louchart via
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> BlindLaw
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blin
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> dlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> All,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good morning. How discriminatory have you found hiring
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> practices so far? Messages are welcome on or off-list.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Warmth,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sanho
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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