From ahereford1985 at gmail.com  Mon Feb  3 21:58:19 2020
From: ahereford1985 at gmail.com (ahereford1985 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2020 15:58:19 -0600
Subject: [blindLaw] Informational interview.
Message-ID: <AD7F0DFE-278C-45E3-85D7-92B9EC353C5C@gmail.com>

Good afternoon, 

I hope this email finds you all  well.
I was wondering if anyone would be willing to participate in a informational interview.
My name is Ashley Franks and    I am currently interested  and are looking to possibly pursue a certificate or degree in the field of law. I am researching information for both, becoming a paralegal and or  lawyer. I am looking for information on both fields.
If anyone is interested in participating in an informational interview please let me know. Thank you for your time and consideration.

Respectfully,
Ashley Franks

ahereford1985 at gmail.com 
904-576-9389  

   

From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Wed Feb  5 17:22:07 2020
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 17:22:07 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] University of Washington Job Postingattorney-investigator
Message-ID: <BY5PR09MB47569C206B20498998A33F92F9020@BY5PR09MB4756.namprd09.prod.outlook.com>


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From: kara19 <kara19 at uw.edu<mailto:kara19 at uw.edu>>
Date: Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 4:12 PM
Subject: University of Washington Job Posting
To: jonathan.ko at gmail.com<mailto:jonathan.ko at gmail.com> <jonathan.ko at gmail.com<mailto:jonathan.ko at gmail.com>>

Hi Jonathan,

I’m writing because the University of Washington is hiring an attorney for an investigator position and we thought members of the Washington Attorneys with Disabilities Association might be interested.  The position is for an internal investigator at the University.  A link to the posting is below.

https://uwhires.admin.washington.edu/eng/candidates/default.cfm?szCategory=jobprofile&szOrderID=176712&szCandidateID=0&szSearchWords=UCIRO&szReturnToSearch=1

Warm regards,


Kara Leon
Program Coordinator
University Complaint Investigation and Resolution Office
and Title IX Investigation Office
UW Compliance & Risk Services

Roosevelt Commons East Box 354996
4311 11th Ave. N.E., Suite 220
Seattle, WA 98105-4608
206.616.2028
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From PChang at nfb.org  Wed Feb  5 20:51:06 2020
From: PChang at nfb.org (Chang, Patti)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 20:51:06 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Upcoming voting rights CLE sponsored by NABL
Message-ID: <CY4PR1701MB1799FC9C9193093BFB07E4A8D7020@CY4PR1701MB1799.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>

Dear all,

                NABL is cosponsoring this upcoming Cle and two of our members are key speakers. I hope this is helpful.


Patti Chang Esq.
Director of Outreach
200 East Wells Street, Baltimore, MD 21230
(410) 659-9314, extension 2422 | pchang at nfb.org<mailto:pchang at nfb.org>
Cell: 773-307-6440


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From deepa.goraya at gmail.com  Thu Feb  6 02:47:21 2020
From: deepa.goraya at gmail.com (Deepa Goraya)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 21:47:21 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] FW: The Digital Accessibility Legal Summit is on April 23
In-Reply-To: <d46ed6846f9d42a876f7c665f.fd458a2a5e.20200205214809.23d0cb75f5.3ce60ac4@mail251.atl221.rsgsv.net>
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All,

 

See below for a great event coming up in April in  DC.

 

Deepa

 

Deepinder K. Goraya, ESQ.

 







 <https://mailchi.mp/70ae17f37bbf/save-the-date-the-2nd-annual-digital-accessibility-legal-summit-april-23-4050293?e=fd458a2a5e> View this email in your browser 




 <https://accessibilitytrack.us19.list-manage.com/track/click?u=d46ed6846f9d42a876f7c665f&id=e8c68fd3a0&e=fd458a2a5e> 






The 2nd Annual Digital Accessibility Legal Summit
Updates, Best Practices & Core‑Concept Training


Thursday, April 23, 2020


American University Washington College of Law

Washington, DC

 <https://accessibilitytrack.us19.list-manage.com/track/click?u=d46ed6846f9d42a876f7c665f&id=3f47795db8&e=fd458a2a5e> The program for the event is now posted

The main summit on the 23rd is a full day of current-issue talks from leading experts in the legal and accessibility fields, together with networking opportunities: 

*	Opening Keynote: Experiences as a Blind Lawyer in the Legal Profession —Deepa Goraya, Disability Rights Maryland
*	Cognitive disabilities, Legal Practice, and Digital Accessibility —Prof. Robert Dinerstein, American University Washington College of Law
*	As an ‘I’, I make a difference, and as a ‘WE’, we are unstoppable —Marcie Lipsitt, Education Advocate
*	Canadian regulatory and practice developments in the digital accessibility space —Pina D'Intino, Jennifer Chadwick & Karen Peltz Strauss
*	Problems (and solutions) in making a good start: Plaintiffs, Defendants, and Consultants —Minh N. Vu, Seyfarth Shaw, LLP, Eve Hill, Brown, Goldstein & Levy, LLP, and Karl Groves, Accessibility Consultant, Tenon
*	The Implications of Future Technology on Digital Accessibility —Jon Avila, Level Access & Jennifer Chadwick, Siteimprove
*	Closing Keynote: How Global Disruptions and Technology is Changing Inclusion, Inclusive Design and Accessibility —Debra Ruh, Ruh Global IMPACT

An optional one day course is offered on Wednesday April 22: "Organizational Risk Assessments and Risk Mitigation Tools": 

*	Dr. Chris M. Law (Accessibility Track)
*	Pina D'Intino (Aequum Global Access)

An optional half day workshop is offered on Friday April 24: "Guidelines for Legal and Accessibility professionals": 

*	Tim Elder (TRE Legal Practice) 
*	Kristina Launey (Seyfarth Shaw, LLP)



	



Coming March 2020...


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The Digital Accessibility Legal Digest Volume I: Practice Updates, Guidance and Resources


Best practice guidelines, perspectives, and resources for anyone engaged in digital accessibility legal work.
A digest from the first annual Digital Accessibility Legal Summit,
March 2019, Anaheim, California.

Edited by Dr. Chris M. Law
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From cjdavis9193 at gmail.com  Thu Feb  6 14:30:44 2020
From: cjdavis9193 at gmail.com (cjdavis9193 at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2020 09:30:44 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Updates on Relativity accessibility with JAWS
Message-ID: <00a401d5dcfa$048de340$0da9a9c0$@gmail.com>

All,

 

I am trying to sign on with a local document review company  for some
contract work. They use Relativity, which I have not used before. I found
some archived blindlaw conversations from 2015 that seem to suggest
Relativity can be made accessible with scripts. I am wondering if there have
been any changes regarding the accessibility of Relativity since that 2015
conversation. Has anyone been successfully using Relativity since 2015?

 

Respectfully,

Cody Davis


From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Thu Feb  6 16:41:58 2020
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2020 16:41:58 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Staff Attorney Opportunity at Washington Department of
 Health
Message-ID: <BY5PR09MB475625C2CFC0F983078ABB52F91D0@BY5PR09MB4756.namprd09.prod.outlook.com>



From: Jones, Skyler P (DOH) <Skyler.Jones at DOH.WA.GOV>
Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 5:28 PM
Subject: Staff Attorney Opportunity at DOH!

Hello,

Please share this opportunity with your networks. Thanks!

The Washington State Department of Health DOH is currently seeking a full-time permanent Staff Attorney (Hearings Examiner In-Training). In this position, you'll support the mission to protect and improve the health of people in Washington State by delivering legal services to Health Services Quality Assurance (HSQA) programs and other entities. You'll analyze facts and law and recommend appropriate forms of action (discipline or some alternative). You'll conduct legal research requiring knowledge of current state and federal legislation, case law and administrative decisions. Lastly, you will be charged with negotiating settlements of health professions disciplinary issues, including conditions and restrictions.

Salary:  $4,270 - $7,535 Monthly
Location: Tumwater, WA
Application Deadline: Open Until Filled - It is to the benefit of the applicant to apply early.

Learn more and apply online! <https://www.governmentjobs.com/careers/washington/doh/jobs/2570900/staff-attorney-he-1-in-training-to-he-3-doh4671?page=3&pagetype=jobOpportunitiesJobs>

DOH is an equal opportunity employer. We strive to create a working environment that is inclusive and respectful.  It is our policy to prohibit discrimination on the basis of race, sex, color, national origin, religion, sexual orientation, gender identity, age, veteran status, political affiliation, genetics, or disability in the recruitment, selection, and hiring of our workforce.

Skyler Jones
Talent Acquisition Consultant
Office of Human Resources
Washington State Department of Health
skyler.jones at doh.wa.gov<mailto:skyler.jones at doh.wa.gov>
360-236-4408| www.doh.wa.gov<http://www.doh.wa.gov/>
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From deepa.goraya at gmail.com  Thu Feb  6 17:38:35 2020
From: deepa.goraya at gmail.com (Deepa Goraya)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2020 12:38:35 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] new restaurant for blind lawyers dinner
Message-ID: <001301d5dd14$42eed350$c8cc79f0$@gmail.com>

All,

 

I wanted to send one more message out about our blind lawyers dinner
happening on Tuesday, February 11, at 7:30 PM. If anyone is interested in
joining, please email me at deepa.goraya at gmail.com
<mailto:deepa.goraya at gmail.com> . Right now, I have the following people
confirmed: Deepa, Al Elia, Tim Elder, Scott LaBarre, Karla Gilbride, Scott
Marshall, Ray Wayne, Derek Manners, And Sied  Rigsby. We have a new
restaurant, since the Hamilton could not accommodate us at  7:30. It will
now be at Cava Mezze, a Greek restaurant with wine and drinks menu, on
Capitol Hill. Address is 527 8th Street SE:
www.yelp.com/biz/cava-mezze-washington-6?osq=cava+mezze.

 

Deepinder K. Goraya, ESQ.

 


From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Thu Feb  6 19:55:49 2020
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2020 19:55:49 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] FW: Diversity Notification
In-Reply-To: <MN2PR17MB404821A05FD2B5C6B59657D3A8020@MN2PR17MB4048.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>
References: <1749920493.409211.1580892548325.JavaMail.careerconnector@mgsapps.monster.com>
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From: Jobs <jobs-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Maurer, Patricia via Jobs
Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 6:47 AM
To: 'jobs at nfbnet.org' <jobs at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Maurer, Patricia <PMaurer at nfb.org>
Subject: [Jobs] FW: Diversity Notification



Patricia Maurer
Director of Community Relations
200 East Wells Street, Baltimore, MD 21230
410- 659-9314, extension 2272 | pmaurer at nfb.org<mailto:pmaurer at nfb.org>





The National Federation of the Blind is a community of members and friends who believe in the hopes and dreams of the nation’s blind. Every day we work together to help blind people live the lives they want.



-----Original Message-----
From: careerconnector at monstergovt.com<mailto:careerconnector at monstergovt.com> <careerconnector at monstergovt.com<mailto:careerconnector at monstergovt.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 3:49 AM
To: Maurer, Patricia <PMaurer at nfb.org<mailto:PMaurer at nfb.org>>
Subject: Diversity Notification

National Federation of the Blind
Sir/Madam

Dear Sir/Madam:

Your organization and its members might be interested in the following vacancy announcement:

Announcement Number: ATTY-WTB-2020-012

Vacancy Description: Senior Attorney-Advisor

Open Period: 02/04/2020 to 02/26/2020

Series/Grade: GS-0905B Attorney Advisor-14/15

Salary: (USD) $121,316 - (USD) $170,800

Hiring Agency: Federal Communications Commission

Duty Location: Washington, DC, US

For more information, please visit the vacancy announcement located at https://careerconnector.jobs.treas.gov/cc/fcc/vacancy/viewVacancyDetail!execute.hms?orgId=1751&jnum=192613.

Thank you.

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From kelbycarlson at gmail.com  Fri Feb  7 01:53:06 2020
From: kelbycarlson at gmail.com (Kelby Carlson)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2020 20:53:06 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Commuting from Outside the City
Message-ID: <A508C09F-FEF0-4502-8064-A8AB680EF736@gmail.com>

All,

This is not a specifically law-related question, but a question about commuting to a legal job. At the moment we are living in a small town where I can walk to work, but soon I will be working in a larger city. We were hoping to find housing in an area where I could either walk or take a short bus ride, but the areas where that is possible are not safe. Unfortunately farther out it is very difficult to find anything that connects to a bus line and provides for a reasonable commute time. Are there other alternatives people have found in situations like these? Buses are by and large the only option—there is paratransit, but its timing is likely not reliable enough that commuting exclusively with it would work.

From davant1958 at gmail.com  Fri Feb  7 18:36:01 2020
From: davant1958 at gmail.com (davant1958 at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 12:36:01 -0600
Subject: [blindLaw] FW: Burbank,
 CA: Borchard Foundation Center on Law & Aging hiring 2020-2021
 Fellows in Law & Aging
In-Reply-To: <CAKCFnvFAbw9jtn-t+8kLbz7g=5w-O3=oscMioh9Ahzpo9k6TXA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKCFnvFAbw9jtn-t+8kLbz7g=5w-O3=oscMioh9Ahzpo9k6TXA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <020d01d5dde5$733a5670$59af0350$@gmail.com>

FYI.

 

 

Denise R. Avant, Esq.

President,

National Federation of the Blind of Illinois

773-991-8050

Live the life you want.

 

For more information about NFBI,

Go to www.nfbofillinois.org

 

From: The Disability Discussion Docket (3D) <3D at MAIL.AMERICANBAR.ORG> On Behalf Of Lydia X. Z. Brown
Sent: Friday, February 7, 2020 9:13 AM
To: 3D at MAIL.AMERICANBAR.ORG
Subject: Burbank, CA: Borchard Foundation Center on Law & Aging hiring 2020-2021 Fellows in Law & Aging

 

The Borchard Fellowship in Law & Aging offers up to three fellowships to law school graduates interested in, and perhaps already in the early stages of pursuing, an academic and/or professional career in law and aging. Fellows have the opportunity to carry out a substantial project related to law and aging in partnership with a host agency as well as to develop their legal skills and knowledge of laws, policies, and programs concerning older adults.

During the fellowship period, the Center’s director and former fellows stand ready to assist each fellow with the further development of their knowledge, skills, and contacts. A legal services or other non-profit organization involved in law and aging must supervise a fellow’s activities and projects. In addition to the fellow's planned activities and project (unless the fellow's project includes the provision of legal services), the fellow is encouraged to provide some pro bono direct legal services to older adults under appropriate supervision. A fellow is expected to provide the Center with monthly activities reports.

The fellowship is $54,000 and is intended as a full-time position only. The fellow’s sponsoring agency is responsible for providing employee benefits, employer’s FICA payment, administrative support, workspace, computer, telephone, and email access, and appropriate professional education program opportunities. Fellows may live and work where they choose in the United States. Fellows must be either U.S. citizens or legal residents of the U.S.

The twelve month fellowship period runs from July 1 to June 30 for those already admitted to the Bar and from not later than September 1 to August 31 for those who must sit for the Bar exam after law school graduation.

Examples of activities and projects by Borchard Fellows include:

*        Working with an established legal services program to enable vulnerable, isolated, low-income older adults to age in place by addressing their unmet legal needs;

*        Providing holistic services to older clients facing consumer debt and foreclosure-related concerns;

*        Implementation of a courthouse project to help elderly pro se tenants achieve long-term housing stabilization through the interdisciplinary use of legal representation and social services, allowing more elderly tenants to age in place at home;

*        Development of mobile clinics to help Chinese-speaking elders improve their access to public benefits and health care;

*        Development of a medical-legal partnership for low-income older adults;

*        Development of legal services and informational materials to caregivers working on behalf of beneficiaries with cognitive impairment;

*        Development of a non-profit senior law resource center providing direct legal services and public education;

*        Development of an interdisciplinary elder law clinical program at a major public university law school;

*        Development of a mediation component for a legal services program elder law hotline;

*        Development of an interdisciplinary project for graduate students in law, medicine, and health advocacy to foster understanding and collaboration between professions;

*        Development of training materials and statewide trainings for lawyers, judges and other court personnel, and social service providers on new comprehensive state guardianship laws;

*        Development of free legal clinics for older clients in suburban areas;

*        Development of elder abuse resources with community partners;

*        Writing and publication of state specific, consumer oriented handbooks on legal issues affecting older adults;

*        Writing and publication of law review articles on law and aging issues;

*        Advocating for and representing incarcerated older persons and helping formerly incarcerated older adults re-enter the community;

*        Teaching elder law and related courses at law schools where fellows reside;

*        Organizing and/or attending national conferences on law and aging issues;

*        Providing supervised pro bono legal representation of older clients;

*        Analysis of Medicare policies;

*        Analysis of SSI non-disability appeals;

*        Development of legal services programs for older clients in consumer law and small claims matters;

*        Development of legal services programs and education resources for older Asian clients in elder abuse and financial exploitation matters;

*        Development, administration, and interpretation of statewide senior legal hotline outcomes study.


Fellowship Application Annual Timeline


*        Application submission deadline: April 1 (unless otherwise scheduled)

*        Application review process: April 1 through May 1

*        Fellows announced:  No later than June 1

*        Fellowship period:  July 1 though June 30 (unless otherwise arranged)

*        Reports due:  Monthly reports during the fellowship period; final report no later than one month following the end of the fellowship period.


Application Requirements


Applicants must submit a completed online application including:

*        an information form with the name of the applicant's host organization and the applicant's name and contact information;

*        a description of the applicant’s planned activities and projects;

*        a description of the applicant's interest in law and aging;

*        a current curriculum vitae;

*        a law school transcript;

*        a letter of support from the proposed supervisor at the host agency; and

*        two other letters of support. 

 <https://borchardcla.org/fellowship-program/online-fellowship-application> Submit your online application here.

Questions? Contact Mary Jane Ciccarello, Director, at  <mailto:mjc at borchardcenter.org> mjc at borchardcenter.org

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From davant1958 at gmail.com  Fri Feb  7 21:07:27 2020
From: davant1958 at gmail.com (davant1958 at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 15:07:27 -0600
Subject: [blindLaw] FW: Washington,
 DC: Advancement Project Power and Democracy Program hiring Program
 Director & Senior Attorney
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Program Director  <https://advancementproject.bamboohr.com/jobs/view.php?id=17> & Senior Attorney


Power and Democracy · Washington, District of Columbia

 

The Program Director & Senior Attorney of the Power and Democracy Program will manage and inspire a dedicated team of professionals to identify, eliminate legal and structural barriers to voting at the federal, state, and county levels and to advance the right to vote and the power of the people to advance change through movement building.  The Program Director & Senior Attorney will also lead the team to expand the electorate, stimulate civic participation, form community partnerships and help build power among impacted people in communities of color through collaborations with local and national racial justice, progressive, voter registration, and civic engagement partners.

DUTIES:

STRATEGIC MANAGEMENT

*        Offer a strategic vision that addresses key human rights issues while leading, building, and motivating an energetic, innovative team to identify and eliminate structural barriers to the ballot.

*        Develop and implement national strategies to build respectful relationships and links to between democracy reforms and power building efforts in communities of color. 

*        Oversee implementation of Program goals and work plans. 

*        Cultivate and manage strategic multiracial relationships, coalitions, and partnerships with stakeholders to build power in communities of color and create a diverse constituency of support for reform.

*        Work in collaboration with management to create project goals and work plans that create systemic change and deliver impact.

*        Utilize metrics and reporting to track progress towards goals, and to keep the leadership team apprised of successes and challenges.

*        Work collaboratively with Executive Director, leadership team and project staff to develop plans and articulate goals/objectives related to the initiative.

*        Assist the Development Department with budgets, fundraising and reporting related to program initiatives.

RESEARCH & POLICY

*        Litigate lawsuits and/or administrative challenges to barriers to the ballot.

*        Research and challenge current state laws, practices and procedures that are disadvantageous to impacted communities of color

*        Assist Executive Director and other Program/Project Directors cross functionally in managing investigations and litigation respective to other internal programs/projects.

COMMUNICATIONS

*        Persuasively articulate the mission, goals and program/project priorities of Advancement Project’s national office in written and oral presentation.

*        Develop presentation materials, including research, slides, scripts, talking points and proposal collateral for prospect meetings.

*        Works in collaboration with communications team to develop and align strategic messaging related to the Program.

*        Reviews the teams work products to ensure the consistent production of high quality work products and advocacy materials related to educational topics.

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*        Manage the Program’s budget effectively and adjust expenditures as necessary.

*        Lead, build and motivate an energetic, innovative and responsive team to systemic issues.

*        Foster individual and team member growth and promote team goals/objectives.

*        Maintain collegial work relationships across the organization.

*        Represent program as a member of various organizational committees.

MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS

*        A demonstrated commitment to racial and social justice required.

*        Juris Doctorate required with state bar membership or ability to waive into the DC Bar.

*        Ten plus years of post JD experience with emphasis on litigating and conducting policy and legislative advocacy in the area of civil rights law required.

*        Knowledge of legal and policy issues surrounding civil rights, voting rights, and election administration-Supervisory experience including mentoring and training staff attorneys.

*        Prior experience working with grassroots organizations and/or in non-profit environments required; specific organizing and advocacy campaign experience strongly preferred.

*        Track record of getting results, handling a heavy workload and developing strong working relationships with and among a diverse group of people.

*        Fundraising, budgeting and planning experience desired.

*        Prior project management experience is necessary and strong technical skills are highly desired.

*        Must possess strong interpersonal, research, analytical and writing skills.

*        Superior oral communications skills.

*        Bilingual ability preferred with fluency in Spanish.

*        Previous work in a cross-functional or matrix team environment strongly preferred.

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From jtfetter at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  8 15:15:12 2020
From: jtfetter at yahoo.com (James Fetter)
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2020 10:15:12 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Commuting from Outside the City
In-Reply-To: <A508C09F-FEF0-4502-8064-A8AB680EF736@gmail.com>
References: <A508C09F-FEF0-4502-8064-A8AB680EF736@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51995ba1-6145-0430-6e76-766327351b0e@yahoo.com>

Unfortunately, until automated cars are a reality and not perpetually 
"five years away," there are no alternatives aside, of course, from 
having a partner who drives. You may just have to tolerate a long 
commute or put your safety at risk. From my perspective, the former is 
much preferable to the latter. Depending on salary and whether the 
employer reimburses for transportation under any circumstances, taking 
an Uber either all the way in or at least to a bus stop is an option. 
What city are you moving to?


On 2/6/2020 8:53 PM, Kelby Carlson via BlindLaw wrote:
> All,
>
> This is not a specifically law-related question, but a question about commuting to a legal job. At the moment we are living in a small town where I can walk to work, but soon I will be working in a larger city. We were hoping to find housing in an area where I could either walk or take a short bus ride, but the areas where that is possible are not safe. Unfortunately farther out it is very difficult to find anything that connects to a bus line and provides for a reasonable commute time. Are there other alternatives people have found in situations like these? Buses are by and large the only option—there is paratransit, but its timing is likely not reliable enough that commuting exclusively with it would work.
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From angie.matney at gmail.com  Sun Feb  9 03:12:46 2020
From: angie.matney at gmail.com (Angie Matney)
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2020 22:12:46 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Commuting from Outside the City
In-Reply-To: <51995ba1-6145-0430-6e76-766327351b0e@yahoo.com>
References: <51995ba1-6145-0430-6e76-766327351b0e@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <11A45C2B-D13E-4390-9F60-83C91292842B@gmail.com>

I personally use rideshares every day. I live close to a metro station, but for various reasons (including that I like to bill while I am commuting) this works best for me. 

In some areas there are driving services. You might check into the feasibility of hiring a service like this for one or both directions of your commute. 

I used to live where I could walk to work, and I do miss that. Hoefully you'll find a solution that works for you. 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 8, 2020, at 10:16 AM, James Fetter via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Unfortunately, until automated cars are a reality and not perpetually "five years away," there are no alternatives aside, of course, from having a partner who drives. You may just have to tolerate a long commute or put your safety at risk. From my perspective, the former is much preferable to the latter. Depending on salary and whether the employer reimburses for transportation under any circumstances, taking an Uber either all the way in or at least to a bus stop is an option. What city are you moving to?
> 
> 
>> On 2/6/2020 8:53 PM, Kelby Carlson via BlindLaw wrote:
>> All,
>> 
>> This is not a specifically law-related question, but a question about commuting to a legal job. At the moment we are living in a small town where I can walk to work, but soon I will be working in a larger city. We were hoping to find housing in an area where I could either walk or take a short bus ride, but the areas where that is possible are not safe. Unfortunately farther out it is very difficult to find anything that connects to a bus line and provides for a reasonable commute time. Are there other alternatives people have found in situations like these? Buses are by and large the only option—there is paratransit, but its timing is likely not reliable enough that commuting exclusively with it would work.
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From deepa.goraya at gmail.com  Sun Feb  9 04:34:03 2020
From: deepa.goraya at gmail.com (Deepa Goraya)
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2020 23:34:03 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Commuting from Outside the City
In-Reply-To: <11A45C2B-D13E-4390-9F60-83C91292842B@gmail.com>
References: <11A45C2B-D13E-4390-9F60-83C91292842B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0028DFDC-13DC-4394-AB94-F38DC96BB637@gmail.com>

I would recommend either using rideshare services like Uber and Lyft or hiring a driver. I hired a driver when I used to intern in downtown Los Angeles and had to commute by driving and  there were no rideshare services  back then.

Deepinder K. Goraya, ESQ.

Sent From My iPhone

> On Feb 8, 2020, at 10:14 PM, Angie Matney via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I personally use rideshares every day. I live close to a metro station, but for various reasons (including that I like to bill while I am commuting) this works best for me. 
> 
> In some areas there are driving services. You might check into the feasibility of hiring a service like this for one or both directions of your commute. 
> 
> I used to live where I could walk to work, and I do miss that. Hoefully you'll find a solution that works for you. 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 8, 2020, at 10:16 AM, James Fetter via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Unfortunately, until automated cars are a reality and not perpetually "five years away," there are no alternatives aside, of course, from having a partner who drives. You may just have to tolerate a long commute or put your safety at risk. From my perspective, the former is much preferable to the latter. Depending on salary and whether the employer reimburses for transportation under any circumstances, taking an Uber either all the way in or at least to a bus stop is an option. What city are you moving to?
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 2/6/2020 8:53 PM, Kelby Carlson via BlindLaw wrote:
>>> All,
>>> 
>>> This is not a specifically law-related question, but a question about commuting to a legal job. At the moment we are living in a small town where I can walk to work, but soon I will be working in a larger city. We were hoping to find housing in an area where I could either walk or take a short bus ride, but the areas where that is possible are not safe. Unfortunately farther out it is very difficult to find anything that connects to a bus line and provides for a reasonable commute time. Are there other alternatives people have found in situations like these? Buses are by and large the only option—there is paratransit, but its timing is likely not reliable enough that commuting exclusively with it would work.
>>> _______________________________________________
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From sanho817 at gmail.com  Sun Feb  9 04:51:27 2020
From: sanho817 at gmail.com (Sanho Steele-Louchart)
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2020 22:51:27 -0600
Subject: [blindLaw] Question about JAWS and Word
Message-ID: <CAL6jpexUx154aCuWnijZUVA1Azqg3vf9=Ez=Eiesb1q56aG3dQ@mail.gmail.com>

All:

For the past couple of weeks, JAWS occasionally stops allowing me to
read or edit Word documents. It's especially common when I have
several windows open at the same time. It got better after JAWS
updated, but it isn't fixed.  Does anyone know what in the world is
going on? Visparo/Freedom Scientific hasn't returned my calls.

I have JAWS 19, Windows 10, and the latest version of Office 365.
Unfortunately, Wordpad and NVDA aren't sophisticated enough for me to
work in a Legal Writing template.

Warmth,
Sanho


From kelbycarlson at gmail.com  Sun Feb  9 12:11:26 2020
From: kelbycarlson at gmail.com (Kelby Carlson)
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2020 07:11:26 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Commuting from Outside the City
In-Reply-To: <0028DFDC-13DC-4394-AB94-F38DC96BB637@gmail.com>
References: <0028DFDC-13DC-4394-AB94-F38DC96BB637@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A1EA5289-EC4C-4BC3-B054-557227D0A05E@gmail.com>

Given the salary I'll be making and the expense of ridesharing (even at short distances Uber can often cost $6-8) using a service like to get to and from work isn't feasible at all. The place I'll be has paratransit services, so I'll have to see if those are reliable enough to use consistently or not.

> On Feb 8, 2020, at 11:35 PM, Deepa Goraya via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I would recommend either using rideshare services like Uber and Lyft or hiring a driver. I hired a driver when I used to intern in downtown Los Angeles and had to commute by driving and  there were no rideshare services  back then.
> 
> Deepinder K. Goraya, ESQ.
> 
> Sent From My iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 8, 2020, at 10:14 PM, Angie Matney via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I personally use rideshares every day. I live close to a metro station, but for various reasons (including that I like to bill while I am commuting) this works best for me. 
>> 
>> In some areas there are driving services. You might check into the feasibility of hiring a service like this for one or both directions of your commute. 
>> 
>> I used to live where I could walk to work, and I do miss that. Hoefully you'll find a solution that works for you. 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Feb 8, 2020, at 10:16 AM, James Fetter via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Unfortunately, until automated cars are a reality and not perpetually "five years away," there are no alternatives aside, of course, from having a partner who drives. You may just have to tolerate a long commute or put your safety at risk. From my perspective, the former is much preferable to the latter. Depending on salary and whether the employer reimburses for transportation under any circumstances, taking an Uber either all the way in or at least to a bus stop is an option. What city are you moving to?
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> On 2/6/2020 8:53 PM, Kelby Carlson via BlindLaw wrote:
>>>> All,
>>>> 
>>>> This is not a specifically law-related question, but a question about commuting to a legal job. At the moment we are living in a small town where I can walk to work, but soon I will be working in a larger city. We were hoping to find housing in an area where I could either walk or take a short bus ride, but the areas where that is possible are not safe. Unfortunately farther out it is very difficult to find anything that connects to a bus line and provides for a reasonable commute time. Are there other alternatives people have found in situations like these? Buses are by and large the only option—there is paratransit, but its timing is likely not reliable enough that commuting exclusively with it would work.
>>>> _______________________________________________
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From laura.wolk at gmail.com  Sun Feb  9 12:55:51 2020
From: laura.wolk at gmail.com (Laura Wolk)
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2020 07:55:51 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Commuting from Outside the City
In-Reply-To: <A1EA5289-EC4C-4BC3-B054-557227D0A05E@gmail.com>
References: <A1EA5289-EC4C-4BC3-B054-557227D0A05E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7E296A57-C504-420E-9601-FF01796B3AFC@gmail.com>

I also take ride shares every day. And I get a lot of grief for this sometimes from other blind people because I both live and work in DC. But the fact of the matter is that I can drive to work in eight minutes and the walk plus metro ride is somewhere closer to 25 to 30. And there’s a whole lot more that I’d like to do with those 40 minutes every day then be stuck in the metro and subject to the added stress of people grabbing and pulling and pushing me around. I don’t make a lot of money either, and I definitely hear you on the budgeting aspect. But it all depends on what is more important to you. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 9, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Kelby Carlson via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Given the salary I'll be making and the expense of ridesharing (even at short distances Uber can often cost $6-8) using a service like to get to and from work isn't feasible at all. The place I'll be has paratransit services, so I'll have to see if those are reliable enough to use consistently or not.
> 
>> On Feb 8, 2020, at 11:35 PM, Deepa Goraya via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I would recommend either using rideshare services like Uber and Lyft or hiring a driver. I hired a driver when I used to intern in downtown Los Angeles and had to commute by driving and  there were no rideshare services  back then.
>> 
>> Deepinder K. Goraya, ESQ.
>> 
>> Sent From My iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Feb 8, 2020, at 10:14 PM, Angie Matney via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I personally use rideshares every day. I live close to a metro station, but for various reasons (including that I like to bill while I am commuting) this works best for me. 
>>> 
>>> In some areas there are driving services. You might check into the feasibility of hiring a service like this for one or both directions of your commute. 
>>> 
>>> I used to live where I could walk to work, and I do miss that. Hoefully you'll find a solution that works for you. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 8, 2020, at 10:16 AM, James Fetter via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Unfortunately, until automated cars are a reality and not perpetually "five years away," there are no alternatives aside, of course, from having a partner who drives. You may just have to tolerate a long commute or put your safety at risk. From my perspective, the former is much preferable to the latter. Depending on salary and whether the employer reimburses for transportation under any circumstances, taking an Uber either all the way in or at least to a bus stop is an option. What city are you moving to?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2/6/2020 8:53 PM, Kelby Carlson via BlindLaw wrote:
>>>>> All,
>>>>> 
>>>>> This is not a specifically law-related question, but a question about commuting to a legal job. At the moment we are living in a small town where I can walk to work, but soon I will be working in a larger city. We were hoping to find housing in an area where I could either walk or take a short bus ride, but the areas where that is possible are not safe. Unfortunately farther out it is very difficult to find anything that connects to a bus line and provides for a reasonable commute time. Are there other alternatives people have found in situations like these? Buses are by and large the only option—there is paratransit, but its timing is likely not reliable enough that commuting exclusively with it would work.
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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From jtfetter at yahoo.com  Sun Feb  9 15:22:10 2020
From: jtfetter at yahoo.com (James Fetter)
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2020 10:22:10 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Commuting from Outside the City
In-Reply-To: <7E296A57-C504-420E-9601-FF01796B3AFC@gmail.com>
References: <A1EA5289-EC4C-4BC3-B054-557227D0A05E@gmail.com>
	<7E296A57-C504-420E-9601-FF01796B3AFC@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c8358760-da28-3f8d-256b-f4e03a24cc75@yahoo.com>

What Laura said. I frequently feel unsafe or at least uncomfortable 
during my commute, which is on the Baltimore subway system (really just 
one line). But it gets me practically to my building, and my wife is 
able to drop me off at the station, just a two-minute drive or 15-minute 
walk from my place, in the morning. I'm very hesitant to recommend 
relying on paratransit given its notorious unreliability. Alternatively, 
you may have to tolerate a certain, hopefully not too high, level of 
danger. Given where I work, I can't get too worried, unless people start 
being victimized in broad daylight. In other words, if you can live 
somewhere near a bus line where you wouldn't dare go out by yourself 
after dark but you're fine during normal business hours, that might be a 
trade-off worth considering. It is very unfortunate that we have to make 
these kinds of trade-offs, while sighted professionals simply drive and 
complain about traffic. But I don't see a way around it at this point.


On 2/9/2020 7:55 AM, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw wrote:
> I also take ride shares every day. And I get a lot of grief for this sometimes from other blind people because I both live and work in DC. But the fact of the matter is that I can drive to work in eight minutes and the walk plus metro ride is somewhere closer to 25 to 30. And there’s a whole lot more that I’d like to do with those 40 minutes every day then be stuck in the metro and subject to the added stress of people grabbing and pulling and pushing me around. I don’t make a lot of money either, and I definitely hear you on the budgeting aspect. But it all depends on what is more important to you.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Feb 9, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Kelby Carlson via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Given the salary I'll be making and the expense of ridesharing (even at short distances Uber can often cost $6-8) using a service like to get to and from work isn't feasible at all. The place I'll be has paratransit services, so I'll have to see if those are reliable enough to use consistently or not.
>>
>>> On Feb 8, 2020, at 11:35 PM, Deepa Goraya via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I would recommend either using rideshare services like Uber and Lyft or hiring a driver. I hired a driver when I used to intern in downtown Los Angeles and had to commute by driving and  there were no rideshare services  back then.
>>>
>>> Deepinder K. Goraya, ESQ.
>>>
>>> Sent From My iPhone
>>>
>>>>> On Feb 8, 2020, at 10:14 PM, Angie Matney via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> I personally use rideshares every day. I live close to a metro station, but for various reasons (including that I like to bill while I am commuting) this works best for me.
>>>>
>>>> In some areas there are driving services. You might check into the feasibility of hiring a service like this for one or both directions of your commute.
>>>>
>>>> I used to live where I could walk to work, and I do miss that. Hoefully you'll find a solution that works for you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2020, at 10:16 AM, James Fetter via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Unfortunately, until automated cars are a reality and not perpetually "five years away," there are no alternatives aside, of course, from having a partner who drives. You may just have to tolerate a long commute or put your safety at risk. From my perspective, the former is much preferable to the latter. Depending on salary and whether the employer reimburses for transportation under any circumstances, taking an Uber either all the way in or at least to a bus stop is an option. What city are you moving to?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2/6/2020 8:53 PM, Kelby Carlson via BlindLaw wrote:
>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is not a specifically law-related question, but a question about commuting to a legal job. At the moment we are living in a small town where I can walk to work, but soon I will be working in a larger city. We were hoping to find housing in an area where I could either walk or take a short bus ride, but the areas where that is possible are not safe. Unfortunately farther out it is very difficult to find anything that connects to a bus line and provides for a reasonable commute time. Are there other alternatives people have found in situations like these? Buses are by and large the only option—there is paratransit, but its timing is likely not reliable enough that commuting exclusively with it would work.
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com  Sun Feb  9 16:19:34 2020
From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj)
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2020 16:19:34 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Commuting from Outside the City
In-Reply-To: <c8358760-da28-3f8d-256b-f4e03a24cc75@yahoo.com>
References: <A1EA5289-EC4C-4BC3-B054-557227D0A05E@gmail.com>
	<7E296A57-C504-420E-9601-FF01796B3AFC@gmail.com>
	<c8358760-da28-3f8d-256b-f4e03a24cc75@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CADFycPb-HGv5c-aA7aWxQDtkftX_a5h9yiGPJayLheTPXOD9rA@mail.gmail.com>

I prefer taking cabs to the extent I can. In India, I had access to my
own car and driver, but in the West, that costs a bomb, so services
like Uber are the next best option.

I sometimes feel guilty about not braving the public transport system
or going to some places by foot. But, as Laura says, I see that as the
price to be paid to ensure that I am able to get where I need to go
faster and can spend the time so saved more productively, rather than
just doing what the ideal blind person is supposed to do.

Best,
Rahul



On 09/02/2020, James Fetter via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> What Laura said. I frequently feel unsafe or at least uncomfortable
> during my commute, which is on the Baltimore subway system (really just
> one line). But it gets me practically to my building, and my wife is
> able to drop me off at the station, just a two-minute drive or 15-minute
> walk from my place, in the morning. I'm very hesitant to recommend
> relying on paratransit given its notorious unreliability. Alternatively,
> you may have to tolerate a certain, hopefully not too high, level of
> danger. Given where I work, I can't get too worried, unless people start
> being victimized in broad daylight. In other words, if you can live
> somewhere near a bus line where you wouldn't dare go out by yourself
> after dark but you're fine during normal business hours, that might be a
> trade-off worth considering. It is very unfortunate that we have to make
> these kinds of trade-offs, while sighted professionals simply drive and
> complain about traffic. But I don't see a way around it at this point.
>
>
> On 2/9/2020 7:55 AM, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw wrote:
>> I also take ride shares every day. And I get a lot of grief for this
>> sometimes from other blind people because I both live and work in DC. But
>> the fact of the matter is that I can drive to work in eight minutes and
>> the walk plus metro ride is somewhere closer to 25 to 30. And there’s a
>> whole lot more that I’d like to do with those 40 minutes every day then be
>> stuck in the metro and subject to the added stress of people grabbing and
>> pulling and pushing me around. I don’t make a lot of money either, and I
>> definitely hear you on the budgeting aspect. But it all depends on what is
>> more important to you.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Feb 9, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Kelby Carlson via BlindLaw
>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Given the salary I'll be making and the expense of ridesharing (even at
>>> short distances Uber can often cost $6-8) using a service like to get to
>>> and from work isn't feasible at all. The place I'll be has paratransit
>>> services, so I'll have to see if those are reliable enough to use
>>> consistently or not.
>>>
>>>> On Feb 8, 2020, at 11:35 PM, Deepa Goraya via BlindLaw
>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I would recommend either using rideshare services like Uber and Lyft or
>>>> hiring a driver. I hired a driver when I used to intern in downtown Los
>>>> Angeles and had to commute by driving and  there were no rideshare
>>>> services  back then.
>>>>
>>>> Deepinder K. Goraya, ESQ.
>>>>
>>>> Sent From My iPhone
>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2020, at 10:14 PM, Angie Matney via BlindLaw
>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> I personally use rideshares every day. I live close to a metro
>>>>> station, but for various reasons (including that I like to bill while I
>>>>> am commuting) this works best for me.
>>>>>
>>>>> In some areas there are driving services. You might check into the
>>>>> feasibility of hiring a service like this for one or both directions of
>>>>> your commute.
>>>>>
>>>>> I used to live where I could walk to work, and I do miss that. Hoefully
>>>>> you'll find a solution that works for you.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2020, at 10:16 AM, James Fetter via BlindLaw
>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Unfortunately, until automated cars are a reality and not perpetually
>>>>>> "five years away," there are no alternatives aside, of course, from
>>>>>> having a partner who drives. You may just have to tolerate a long
>>>>>> commute or put your safety at risk. From my perspective, the former is
>>>>>> much preferable to the latter. Depending on salary and whether the
>>>>>> employer reimburses for transportation under any circumstances, taking
>>>>>> an Uber either all the way in or at least to a bus stop is an option.
>>>>>> What city are you moving to?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2/6/2020 8:53 PM, Kelby Carlson via BlindLaw wrote:
>>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is not a specifically law-related question, but a question about
>>>>>>> commuting to a legal job. At the moment we are living in a small town
>>>>>>> where I can walk to work, but soon I will be working in a larger
>>>>>>> city. We were hoping to find housing in an area where I could either
>>>>>>> walk or take a short bus ride, but the areas where that is possible
>>>>>>> are not safe. Unfortunately farther out it is very difficult to find
>>>>>>> anything that connects to a bus line and provides for a reasonable
>>>>>>> commute time. Are there other alternatives people have found in
>>>>>>> situations like these? Buses are by and large the only option—there
>>>>>>> is paratransit, but its timing is likely not reliable enough that
>>>>>>> commuting exclusively with it would work.
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list
>>>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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--
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Candidate for the MPhil in Law
Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018)
University of Oxford


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Sun Feb  9 16:57:54 2020
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (rbacchus228 at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2020 11:57:54 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] introduction
Message-ID: <5e403a15.1c69fb81.6a12f.2a1b@mx.google.com>

Dear Members,

My name is Roanna Bacchus, and I am visually impaired. I come from an Immigrant family who migrated to the United States from the Caribbean islands of Trinidad and Tobago. Four years ago I graduated from the University of Central Florida with my Bachelor's degree in Interdisciplinary Studies. I also have a minor in Mass Communications. I joined this list to learn about employment challenges faced by blind lawyers. Are there any other employment-related mailits for the blind? 

From kelbycarlson at gmail.com  Sun Feb  9 17:10:32 2020
From: kelbycarlson at gmail.com (Kelby Carlson)
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2020 12:10:32 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Commuting from Outside the City
In-Reply-To: <CADFycPb-HGv5c-aA7aWxQDtkftX_a5h9yiGPJayLheTPXOD9rA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADFycPb-HGv5c-aA7aWxQDtkftX_a5h9yiGPJayLheTPXOD9rA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <566AE650-774D-4A90-9FDB-E2275AAC80F9@gmail.com>

I am a prosecutor, so I'd rather live away from high-crime areas of the county if at all possible. With a five-figure salary and a family, ride-sharing is simply not a viable option monetarily; we did some investigation and rides into and out of the city could cost up to $20 each way. That is several hundred dollars on transportation every month. i'm not sure how you all allocate your funds, but this is totally unworkable given our other expenses. And given that we have children, my wife can't just drive me to and from work. So it seems like a long commute is the only viable option.

> On Feb 9, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I prefer taking cabs to the extent I can. In India, I had access to my
> own car and driver, but in the West, that costs a bomb, so services
> like Uber are the next best option.
> 
> I sometimes feel guilty about not braving the public transport system
> or going to some places by foot. But, as Laura says, I see that as the
> price to be paid to ensure that I am able to get where I need to go
> faster and can spend the time so saved more productively, rather than
> just doing what the ideal blind person is supposed to do.
> 
> Best,
> Rahul
> 
> 
> 
>> On 09/02/2020, James Fetter via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> What Laura said. I frequently feel unsafe or at least uncomfortable
>> during my commute, which is on the Baltimore subway system (really just
>> one line). But it gets me practically to my building, and my wife is
>> able to drop me off at the station, just a two-minute drive or 15-minute
>> walk from my place, in the morning. I'm very hesitant to recommend
>> relying on paratransit given its notorious unreliability. Alternatively,
>> you may have to tolerate a certain, hopefully not too high, level of
>> danger. Given where I work, I can't get too worried, unless people start
>> being victimized in broad daylight. In other words, if you can live
>> somewhere near a bus line where you wouldn't dare go out by yourself
>> after dark but you're fine during normal business hours, that might be a
>> trade-off worth considering. It is very unfortunate that we have to make
>> these kinds of trade-offs, while sighted professionals simply drive and
>> complain about traffic. But I don't see a way around it at this point.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 2/9/2020 7:55 AM, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw wrote:
>>> I also take ride shares every day. And I get a lot of grief for this
>>> sometimes from other blind people because I both live and work in DC. But
>>> the fact of the matter is that I can drive to work in eight minutes and
>>> the walk plus metro ride is somewhere closer to 25 to 30. And there’s a
>>> whole lot more that I’d like to do with those 40 minutes every day then be
>>> stuck in the metro and subject to the added stress of people grabbing and
>>> pulling and pushing me around. I don’t make a lot of money either, and I
>>> definitely hear you on the budgeting aspect. But it all depends on what is
>>> more important to you.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 9, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Kelby Carlson via BlindLaw
>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Given the salary I'll be making and the expense of ridesharing (even at
>>>> short distances Uber can often cost $6-8) using a service like to get to
>>>> and from work isn't feasible at all. The place I'll be has paratransit
>>>> services, so I'll have to see if those are reliable enough to use
>>>> consistently or not.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 8, 2020, at 11:35 PM, Deepa Goraya via BlindLaw
>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I would recommend either using rideshare services like Uber and Lyft or
>>>>> hiring a driver. I hired a driver when I used to intern in downtown Los
>>>>> Angeles and had to commute by driving and  there were no rideshare
>>>>> services  back then.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Deepinder K. Goraya, ESQ.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent From My iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2020, at 10:14 PM, Angie Matney via BlindLaw
>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> I personally use rideshares every day. I live close to a metro
>>>>>> station, but for various reasons (including that I like to bill while I
>>>>>> am commuting) this works best for me.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> In some areas there are driving services. You might check into the
>>>>>> feasibility of hiring a service like this for one or both directions of
>>>>>> your commute.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I used to live where I could walk to work, and I do miss that. Hoefully
>>>>>> you'll find a solution that works for you.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2020, at 10:16 AM, James Fetter via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> Unfortunately, until automated cars are a reality and not perpetually
>>>>>>> "five years away," there are no alternatives aside, of course, from
>>>>>>> having a partner who drives. You may just have to tolerate a long
>>>>>>> commute or put your safety at risk. From my perspective, the former is
>>>>>>> much preferable to the latter. Depending on salary and whether the
>>>>>>> employer reimburses for transportation under any circumstances, taking
>>>>>>> an Uber either all the way in or at least to a bus stop is an option.
>>>>>>> What city are you moving to?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 2/6/2020 8:53 PM, Kelby Carlson via BlindLaw wrote:
>>>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> This is not a specifically law-related question, but a question about
>>>>>>>> commuting to a legal job. At the moment we are living in a small town
>>>>>>>> where I can walk to work, but soon I will be working in a larger
>>>>>>>> city. We were hoping to find housing in an area where I could either
>>>>>>>> walk or take a short bus ride, but the areas where that is possible
>>>>>>>> are not safe. Unfortunately farther out it is very difficult to find
>>>>>>>> anything that connects to a bus line and provides for a reasonable
>>>>>>>> commute time. Are there other alternatives people have found in
>>>>>>>> situations like these? Buses are by and large the only option—there
>>>>>>>> is paratransit, but its timing is likely not reliable enough that
>>>>>>>> commuting exclusively with it would work.
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list
>>>>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
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>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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> Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018)
> University of Oxford
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From sy.hoekstra at gmail.com  Sun Feb  9 17:32:58 2020
From: sy.hoekstra at gmail.com (Sybren Hoekstra)
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2020 12:32:58 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Commuting from Outside the City
In-Reply-To: <566AE650-774D-4A90-9FDB-E2275AAC80F9@gmail.com>
References: <566AE650-774D-4A90-9FDB-E2275AAC80F9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E0599527-8D12-4A92-81F5-D6FD1DE50BFC@gmail.com>

FW I W, I live in New York City, and take the subway in pretty much any neighborhood at all hours. I think in general the dangers of high crime areas Are highly exaggerated. But I understand that they feel very believable if you have not spent a lot of time in the city before, And having children only increases that sense.

Have you asked your job if they offer any kind of commuter benefits? The ridesharing could be significantly cheaper if, for instants, you could get a card that allows you to pay for commuter expenses tax free, which I have.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 9, 2020, at 12:11, Kelby Carlson via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I am a prosecutor, so I'd rather live away from high-crime areas of the county if at all possible. With a five-figure salary and a family, ride-sharing is simply not a viable option monetarily; we did some investigation and rides into and out of the city could cost up to $20 each way. That is several hundred dollars on transportation every month. i'm not sure how you all allocate your funds, but this is totally unworkable given our other expenses. And given that we have children, my wife can't just drive me to and from work. So it seems like a long commute is the only viable option.
> 
>> On Feb 9, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I prefer taking cabs to the extent I can. In India, I had access to my
>> own car and driver, but in the West, that costs a bomb, so services
>> like Uber are the next best option.
>> 
>> I sometimes feel guilty about not braving the public transport system
>> or going to some places by foot. But, as Laura says, I see that as the
>> price to be paid to ensure that I am able to get where I need to go
>> faster and can spend the time so saved more productively, rather than
>> just doing what the ideal blind person is supposed to do.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Rahul
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 09/02/2020, James Fetter via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> What Laura said. I frequently feel unsafe or at least uncomfortable
>>> during my commute, which is on the Baltimore subway system (really just
>>> one line). But it gets me practically to my building, and my wife is
>>> able to drop me off at the station, just a two-minute drive or 15-minute
>>> walk from my place, in the morning. I'm very hesitant to recommend
>>> relying on paratransit given its notorious unreliability. Alternatively,
>>> you may have to tolerate a certain, hopefully not too high, level of
>>> danger. Given where I work, I can't get too worried, unless people start
>>> being victimized in broad daylight. In other words, if you can live
>>> somewhere near a bus line where you wouldn't dare go out by yourself
>>> after dark but you're fine during normal business hours, that might be a
>>> trade-off worth considering. It is very unfortunate that we have to make
>>> these kinds of trade-offs, while sighted professionals simply drive and
>>> complain about traffic. But I don't see a way around it at this point.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 2/9/2020 7:55 AM, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw wrote:
>>>> I also take ride shares every day. And I get a lot of grief for this
>>>> sometimes from other blind people because I both live and work in DC. But
>>>> the fact of the matter is that I can drive to work in eight minutes and
>>>> the walk plus metro ride is somewhere closer to 25 to 30. And there’s a
>>>> whole lot more that I’d like to do with those 40 minutes every day then be
>>>> stuck in the metro and subject to the added stress of people grabbing and
>>>> pulling and pushing me around. I don’t make a lot of money either, and I
>>>> definitely hear you on the budgeting aspect. But it all depends on what is
>>>> more important to you.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 9, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Kelby Carlson via BlindLaw
>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Given the salary I'll be making and the expense of ridesharing (even at
>>>>> short distances Uber can often cost $6-8) using a service like to get to
>>>>> and from work isn't feasible at all. The place I'll be has paratransit
>>>>> services, so I'll have to see if those are reliable enough to use
>>>>> consistently or not.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2020, at 11:35 PM, Deepa Goraya via BlindLaw
>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I would recommend either using rideshare services like Uber and Lyft or
>>>>>> hiring a driver. I hired a driver when I used to intern in downtown Los
>>>>>> Angeles and had to commute by driving and  there were no rideshare
>>>>>> services  back then.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Deepinder K. Goraya, ESQ.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent From My iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2020, at 10:14 PM, Angie Matney via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> I personally use rideshares every day. I live close to a metro
>>>>>>> station, but for various reasons (including that I like to bill while I
>>>>>>> am commuting) this works best for me.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> In some areas there are driving services. You might check into the
>>>>>>> feasibility of hiring a service like this for one or both directions of
>>>>>>> your commute.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I used to live where I could walk to work, and I do miss that. Hoefully
>>>>>>> you'll find a solution that works for you.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2020, at 10:16 AM, James Fetter via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, until automated cars are a reality and not perpetually
>>>>>>>> "five years away," there are no alternatives aside, of course, from
>>>>>>>> having a partner who drives. You may just have to tolerate a long
>>>>>>>> commute or put your safety at risk. From my perspective, the former is
>>>>>>>> much preferable to the latter. Depending on salary and whether the
>>>>>>>> employer reimburses for transportation under any circumstances, taking
>>>>>>>> an Uber either all the way in or at least to a bus stop is an option.
>>>>>>>> What city are you moving to?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 2/6/2020 8:53 PM, Kelby Carlson via BlindLaw wrote:
>>>>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> This is not a specifically law-related question, but a question about
>>>>>>>>> commuting to a legal job. At the moment we are living in a small town
>>>>>>>>> where I can walk to work, but soon I will be working in a larger
>>>>>>>>> city. We were hoping to find housing in an area where I could either
>>>>>>>>> walk or take a short bus ride, but the areas where that is possible
>>>>>>>>> are not safe. Unfortunately farther out it is very difficult to find
>>>>>>>>> anything that connects to a bus line and provides for a reasonable
>>>>>>>>> commute time. Are there other alternatives people have found in
>>>>>>>>> situations like these? Buses are by and large the only option—there
>>>>>>>>> is paratransit, but its timing is likely not reliable enough that
>>>>>>>>> commuting exclusively with it would work.
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>> Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018)
>> University of Oxford
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From maurakutnyak at gmail.com  Sun Feb  9 17:52:13 2020
From: maurakutnyak at gmail.com (Maura Kutnyak)
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2020 12:52:13 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Commuting from Outside the City
In-Reply-To: <E0599527-8D12-4A92-81F5-D6FD1DE50BFC@gmail.com>
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Echoing Sy’s Point, I think unfamiliarity is often conflated with threat. And while as a prosecutor you may feel that there is a target on your back, The odds of you being a target of inner city violence are likely relatively low. 

I will add that this type of cost benefit analysis is definitely not exclusive to blind folks. Owning and maintaining a car can easily cost hundreds of dollars a month. Particularly when people have large loans. When I feel guilty or concerned about my use of ridesharing, I E taking a Lyft to take my children to the doctors office, I consider how much cheaper it is then having a second car.

Sincerely,

Maura Kutnyak  MPA.
716-563-9882

> On Feb 9, 2020, at 12:35 PM, Sybren Hoekstra via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> FW I W, I live in New York City, and take the subway in pretty much any neighborhood at all hours. I think in general the dangers of high crime areas Are highly exaggerated. But I understand that they feel very believable if you have not spent a lot of time in the city before, And having children only increases that sense.
> 
> Have you asked your job if they offer any kind of commuter benefits? The ridesharing could be significantly cheaper if, for instants, you could get a card that allows you to pay for commuter expenses tax free, which I have.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 9, 2020, at 12:11, Kelby Carlson via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I am a prosecutor, so I'd rather live away from high-crime areas of the county if at all possible. With a five-figure salary and a family, ride-sharing is simply not a viable option monetarily; we did some investigation and rides into and out of the city could cost up to $20 each way. That is several hundred dollars on transportation every month. i'm not sure how you all allocate your funds, but this is totally unworkable given our other expenses. And given that we have children, my wife can't just drive me to and from work. So it seems like a long commute is the only viable option.
>> 
>>>> On Feb 9, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I prefer taking cabs to the extent I can. In India, I had access to my
>>> own car and driver, but in the West, that costs a bomb, so services
>>> like Uber are the next best option.
>>> 
>>> I sometimes feel guilty about not braving the public transport system
>>> or going to some places by foot. But, as Laura says, I see that as the
>>> price to be paid to ensure that I am able to get where I need to go
>>> faster and can spend the time so saved more productively, rather than
>>> just doing what the ideal blind person is supposed to do.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Rahul
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> On 09/02/2020, James Fetter via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> What Laura said. I frequently feel unsafe or at least uncomfortable
>>>> during my commute, which is on the Baltimore subway system (really just
>>>> one line). But it gets me practically to my building, and my wife is
>>>> able to drop me off at the station, just a two-minute drive or 15-minute
>>>> walk from my place, in the morning. I'm very hesitant to recommend
>>>> relying on paratransit given its notorious unreliability. Alternatively,
>>>> you may have to tolerate a certain, hopefully not too high, level of
>>>> danger. Given where I work, I can't get too worried, unless people start
>>>> being victimized in broad daylight. In other words, if you can live
>>>> somewhere near a bus line where you wouldn't dare go out by yourself
>>>> after dark but you're fine during normal business hours, that might be a
>>>> trade-off worth considering. It is very unfortunate that we have to make
>>>> these kinds of trade-offs, while sighted professionals simply drive and
>>>> complain about traffic. But I don't see a way around it at this point.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 2/9/2020 7:55 AM, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw wrote:
>>>>> I also take ride shares every day. And I get a lot of grief for this
>>>>> sometimes from other blind people because I both live and work in DC. But
>>>>> the fact of the matter is that I can drive to work in eight minutes and
>>>>> the walk plus metro ride is somewhere closer to 25 to 30. And there’s a
>>>>> whole lot more that I’d like to do with those 40 minutes every day then be
>>>>> stuck in the metro and subject to the added stress of people grabbing and
>>>>> pulling and pushing me around. I don’t make a lot of money either, and I
>>>>> definitely hear you on the budgeting aspect. But it all depends on what is
>>>>> more important to you.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Feb 9, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Kelby Carlson via BlindLaw
>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Given the salary I'll be making and the expense of ridesharing (even at
>>>>>> short distances Uber can often cost $6-8) using a service like to get to
>>>>>> and from work isn't feasible at all. The place I'll be has paratransit
>>>>>> services, so I'll have to see if those are reliable enough to use
>>>>>> consistently or not.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2020, at 11:35 PM, Deepa Goraya via BlindLaw
>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I would recommend either using rideshare services like Uber and Lyft or
>>>>>>> hiring a driver. I hired a driver when I used to intern in downtown Los
>>>>>>> Angeles and had to commute by driving and  there were no rideshare
>>>>>>> services  back then.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Deepinder K. Goraya, ESQ.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent From My iPhone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2020, at 10:14 PM, Angie Matney via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I personally use rideshares every day. I live close to a metro
>>>>>>>> station, but for various reasons (including that I like to bill while I
>>>>>>>> am commuting) this works best for me.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> In some areas there are driving services. You might check into the
>>>>>>>> feasibility of hiring a service like this for one or both directions of
>>>>>>>> your commute.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I used to live where I could walk to work, and I do miss that. Hoefully
>>>>>>>> you'll find a solution that works for you.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2020, at 10:16 AM, James Fetter via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, until automated cars are a reality and not perpetually
>>>>>>>>> "five years away," there are no alternatives aside, of course, from
>>>>>>>>> having a partner who drives. You may just have to tolerate a long
>>>>>>>>> commute or put your safety at risk. From my perspective, the former is
>>>>>>>>> much preferable to the latter. Depending on salary and whether the
>>>>>>>>> employer reimburses for transportation under any circumstances, taking
>>>>>>>>> an Uber either all the way in or at least to a bus stop is an option.
>>>>>>>>> What city are you moving to?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/6/2020 8:53 PM, Kelby Carlson via BlindLaw wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> This is not a specifically law-related question, but a question about
>>>>>>>>>> commuting to a legal job. At the moment we are living in a small town
>>>>>>>>>> where I can walk to work, but soon I will be working in a larger
>>>>>>>>>> city. We were hoping to find housing in an area where I could either
>>>>>>>>>> walk or take a short bus ride, but the areas where that is possible
>>>>>>>>>> are not safe. Unfortunately farther out it is very difficult to find
>>>>>>>>>> anything that connects to a bus line and provides for a reasonable
>>>>>>>>>> commute time. Are there other alternatives people have found in
>>>>>>>>>> situations like these? Buses are by and large the only option—there
>>>>>>>>>> is paratransit, but its timing is likely not reliable enough that
>>>>>>>>>> commuting exclusively with it would work.
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>>> 
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>>> --
>>> Rahul Bajaj
>>> Candidate for the MPhil in Law
>>> Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018)
>>> University of Oxford
>>> 
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From kelbycarlson at gmail.com  Sun Feb  9 18:28:47 2020
From: kelbycarlson at gmail.com (Kelby Carlson)
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2020 13:28:47 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Commuting from Outside the City
In-Reply-To: <090AB041-9F6B-4070-A79A-8900A82E2EBC@gmail.com>
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Apologies if I sounded a bit harsh. Of course, there are benefits to using services like Uber, but overall it is more expensive to use it over buses/cars on a daily basis. It all does depend on where you are and what circumstances you are in.

My spouse did drive me to and from the metro on her way to work when we lived in D.C., but unfortunately that becomes much more difficult when the drive is farther and there are kids.

> On Feb 9, 2020, at 12:53 PM, Maura Kutnyak via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Echoing Sy’s Point, I think unfamiliarity is often conflated with threat. And while as a prosecutor you may feel that there is a target on your back, The odds of you being a target of inner city violence are likely relatively low. 
> 
> I will add that this type of cost benefit analysis is definitely not exclusive to blind folks. Owning and maintaining a car can easily cost hundreds of dollars a month. Particularly when people have large loans. When I feel guilty or concerned about my use of ridesharing, I E taking a Lyft to take my children to the doctors office, I consider how much cheaper it is then having a second car.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Maura Kutnyak  MPA.
> 716-563-9882
> 
>> On Feb 9, 2020, at 12:35 PM, Sybren Hoekstra via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> FW I W, I live in New York City, and take the subway in pretty much any neighborhood at all hours. I think in general the dangers of high crime areas Are highly exaggerated. But I understand that they feel very believable if you have not spent a lot of time in the city before, And having children only increases that sense.
>> 
>> Have you asked your job if they offer any kind of commuter benefits? The ridesharing could be significantly cheaper if, for instants, you could get a card that allows you to pay for commuter expenses tax free, which I have.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Feb 9, 2020, at 12:11, Kelby Carlson via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am a prosecutor, so I'd rather live away from high-crime areas of the county if at all possible. With a five-figure salary and a family, ride-sharing is simply not a viable option monetarily; we did some investigation and rides into and out of the city could cost up to $20 each way. That is several hundred dollars on transportation every month. i'm not sure how you all allocate your funds, but this is totally unworkable given our other expenses. And given that we have children, my wife can't just drive me to and from work. So it seems like a long commute is the only viable option.
>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 9, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I prefer taking cabs to the extent I can. In India, I had access to my
>>>> own car and driver, but in the West, that costs a bomb, so services
>>>> like Uber are the next best option.
>>>> 
>>>> I sometimes feel guilty about not braving the public transport system
>>>> or going to some places by foot. But, as Laura says, I see that as the
>>>> price to be paid to ensure that I am able to get where I need to go
>>>> faster and can spend the time so saved more productively, rather than
>>>> just doing what the ideal blind person is supposed to do.
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> Rahul
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>> On 09/02/2020, James Fetter via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> What Laura said. I frequently feel unsafe or at least uncomfortable
>>>>> during my commute, which is on the Baltimore subway system (really just
>>>>> one line). But it gets me practically to my building, and my wife is
>>>>> able to drop me off at the station, just a two-minute drive or 15-minute
>>>>> walk from my place, in the morning. I'm very hesitant to recommend
>>>>> relying on paratransit given its notorious unreliability. Alternatively,
>>>>> you may have to tolerate a certain, hopefully not too high, level of
>>>>> danger. Given where I work, I can't get too worried, unless people start
>>>>> being victimized in broad daylight. In other words, if you can live
>>>>> somewhere near a bus line where you wouldn't dare go out by yourself
>>>>> after dark but you're fine during normal business hours, that might be a
>>>>> trade-off worth considering. It is very unfortunate that we have to make
>>>>> these kinds of trade-offs, while sighted professionals simply drive and
>>>>> complain about traffic. But I don't see a way around it at this point.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2/9/2020 7:55 AM, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw wrote:
>>>>>> I also take ride shares every day. And I get a lot of grief for this
>>>>>> sometimes from other blind people because I both live and work in DC. But
>>>>>> the fact of the matter is that I can drive to work in eight minutes and
>>>>>> the walk plus metro ride is somewhere closer to 25 to 30. And there’s a
>>>>>> whole lot more that I’d like to do with those 40 minutes every day then be
>>>>>> stuck in the metro and subject to the added stress of people grabbing and
>>>>>> pulling and pushing me around. I don’t make a lot of money either, and I
>>>>>> definitely hear you on the budgeting aspect. But it all depends on what is
>>>>>> more important to you.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Feb 9, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Kelby Carlson via BlindLaw
>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Given the salary I'll be making and the expense of ridesharing (even at
>>>>>>> short distances Uber can often cost $6-8) using a service like to get to
>>>>>>> and from work isn't feasible at all. The place I'll be has paratransit
>>>>>>> services, so I'll have to see if those are reliable enough to use
>>>>>>> consistently or not.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2020, at 11:35 PM, Deepa Goraya via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I would recommend either using rideshare services like Uber and Lyft or
>>>>>>>> hiring a driver. I hired a driver when I used to intern in downtown Los
>>>>>>>> Angeles and had to commute by driving and  there were no rideshare
>>>>>>>> services  back then.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Deepinder K. Goraya, ESQ.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent From My iPhone
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2020, at 10:14 PM, Angie Matney via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I personally use rideshares every day. I live close to a metro
>>>>>>>>> station, but for various reasons (including that I like to bill while I
>>>>>>>>> am commuting) this works best for me.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> In some areas there are driving services. You might check into the
>>>>>>>>> feasibility of hiring a service like this for one or both directions of
>>>>>>>>> your commute.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I used to live where I could walk to work, and I do miss that. Hoefully
>>>>>>>>> you'll find a solution that works for you.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2020, at 10:16 AM, James Fetter via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, until automated cars are a reality and not perpetually
>>>>>>>>>> "five years away," there are no alternatives aside, of course, from
>>>>>>>>>> having a partner who drives. You may just have to tolerate a long
>>>>>>>>>> commute or put your safety at risk. From my perspective, the former is
>>>>>>>>>> much preferable to the latter. Depending on salary and whether the
>>>>>>>>>> employer reimburses for transportation under any circumstances, taking
>>>>>>>>>> an Uber either all the way in or at least to a bus stop is an option.
>>>>>>>>>> What city are you moving to?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/6/2020 8:53 PM, Kelby Carlson via BlindLaw wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> This is not a specifically law-related question, but a question about
>>>>>>>>>>> commuting to a legal job. At the moment we are living in a small town
>>>>>>>>>>> where I can walk to work, but soon I will be working in a larger
>>>>>>>>>>> city. We were hoping to find housing in an area where I could either
>>>>>>>>>>> walk or take a short bus ride, but the areas where that is possible
>>>>>>>>>>> are not safe. Unfortunately farther out it is very difficult to find
>>>>>>>>>>> anything that connects to a bus line and provides for a reasonable
>>>>>>>>>>> commute time. Are there other alternatives people have found in
>>>>>>>>>>> situations like these? Buses are by and large the only option—there
>>>>>>>>>>> is paratransit, but its timing is likely not reliable enough that
>>>>>>>>>>> commuting exclusively with it would work.
>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list
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>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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From captinlogic at gmail.com  Sun Feb  9 18:35:30 2020
From: captinlogic at gmail.com (Rob)
Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2020 12:35:30 -0600
Subject: [blindLaw] Commuting from Outside the City
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Out here in Minnesota rural transportation options don't exist, like at all. Ride services are limited to the major metro areas and almost none of them will venture more than a mile from the city limits. Paratransit exists in only a few big cities. In the smaller towns they have a bus that might go once a week to the bigger town. So you would catch the bus on, say Tuesday morning at 10 am and have to catch the bus back to the town at 2 pm. Taxi services are extremely rare also.
As a result, if you don't have a support network or willing friends who drive, as a blind person your only option is to live in the vigger city. Forget your dreams of the nice country place.
It's rather discouraging sometimes. You want to advance your career, but in order to do that, you need to move to the big city so you have transportation options to go to said career, but in order to move to the big city, you need money. And in order to get money, you need to advance your career. Catch 22.
----- Original Message -----
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Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2020 13:28:47 -0500
Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Commuting from Outside the City

> Apologies if I sounded a bit harsh. Of course, there are benefits to using services like Uber, but overall it is more expensive to use it over buses/cars on a daily basis. It all does depend on where you are and what circumstances you are in.

My spouse did drive me to and from the metro on her way to work when we lived in D.C., but unfortunately that becomes much more difficult when the drive is farther and there are kids.



From jtfetter at yahoo.com  Sun Feb  9 18:39:16 2020
From: jtfetter at yahoo.com (James Fetter)
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2020 13:39:16 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Commuting from Outside the City
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I think you are right to avoid high crime areas. All it would take is 
for a friend of someone whose case you prosecuted to see you and 
retaliate, and it would be game over. Also, having a family definitely 
changes the acceptable level of risk. The only thing that keeps me sane 
at the moment is that the area in which I live is fairly safe. And, if 
push came to shove, I could walk to and from the Metro.

Could your wife drive you to a park-and-ride, from which you could take 
a bus into the city? My wife and I will soon be figuring out those 
logistics again, when we move to Charlotte for my clerkship. Good luck 
finding a solution that works for you and your family!


On 2/9/2020 12:10 PM, Kelby Carlson via BlindLaw wrote:
> I am a prosecutor, so I'd rather live away from high-crime areas of the county if at all possible. With a five-figure salary and a family, ride-sharing is simply not a viable option monetarily; we did some investigation and rides into and out of the city could cost up to $20 each way. That is several hundred dollars on transportation every month. i'm not sure how you all allocate your funds, but this is totally unworkable given our other expenses. And given that we have children, my wife can't just drive me to and from work. So it seems like a long commute is the only viable option.
>
>> On Feb 9, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> I prefer taking cabs to the extent I can. In India, I had access to my
>> own car and driver, but in the West, that costs a bomb, so services
>> like Uber are the next best option.
>>
>> I sometimes feel guilty about not braving the public transport system
>> or going to some places by foot. But, as Laura says, I see that as the
>> price to be paid to ensure that I am able to get where I need to go
>> faster and can spend the time so saved more productively, rather than
>> just doing what the ideal blind person is supposed to do.
>>
>> Best,
>> Rahul
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 09/02/2020, James Fetter via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> What Laura said. I frequently feel unsafe or at least uncomfortable
>>> during my commute, which is on the Baltimore subway system (really just
>>> one line). But it gets me practically to my building, and my wife is
>>> able to drop me off at the station, just a two-minute drive or 15-minute
>>> walk from my place, in the morning. I'm very hesitant to recommend
>>> relying on paratransit given its notorious unreliability. Alternatively,
>>> you may have to tolerate a certain, hopefully not too high, level of
>>> danger. Given where I work, I can't get too worried, unless people start
>>> being victimized in broad daylight. In other words, if you can live
>>> somewhere near a bus line where you wouldn't dare go out by yourself
>>> after dark but you're fine during normal business hours, that might be a
>>> trade-off worth considering. It is very unfortunate that we have to make
>>> these kinds of trade-offs, while sighted professionals simply drive and
>>> complain about traffic. But I don't see a way around it at this point.
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 2/9/2020 7:55 AM, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw wrote:
>>>> I also take ride shares every day. And I get a lot of grief for this
>>>> sometimes from other blind people because I both live and work in DC. But
>>>> the fact of the matter is that I can drive to work in eight minutes and
>>>> the walk plus metro ride is somewhere closer to 25 to 30. And there’s a
>>>> whole lot more that I’d like to do with those 40 minutes every day then be
>>>> stuck in the metro and subject to the added stress of people grabbing and
>>>> pulling and pushing me around. I don’t make a lot of money either, and I
>>>> definitely hear you on the budgeting aspect. But it all depends on what is
>>>> more important to you.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 9, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Kelby Carlson via BlindLaw
>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Given the salary I'll be making and the expense of ridesharing (even at
>>>>> short distances Uber can often cost $6-8) using a service like to get to
>>>>> and from work isn't feasible at all. The place I'll be has paratransit
>>>>> services, so I'll have to see if those are reliable enough to use
>>>>> consistently or not.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2020, at 11:35 PM, Deepa Goraya via BlindLaw
>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would recommend either using rideshare services like Uber and Lyft or
>>>>>> hiring a driver. I hired a driver when I used to intern in downtown Los
>>>>>> Angeles and had to commute by driving and  there were no rideshare
>>>>>> services  back then.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Deepinder K. Goraya, ESQ.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent From My iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2020, at 10:14 PM, Angie Matney via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> I personally use rideshares every day. I live close to a metro
>>>>>>> station, but for various reasons (including that I like to bill while I
>>>>>>> am commuting) this works best for me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In some areas there are driving services. You might check into the
>>>>>>> feasibility of hiring a service like this for one or both directions of
>>>>>>> your commute.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I used to live where I could walk to work, and I do miss that. Hoefully
>>>>>>> you'll find a solution that works for you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2020, at 10:16 AM, James Fetter via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, until automated cars are a reality and not perpetually
>>>>>>>> "five years away," there are no alternatives aside, of course, from
>>>>>>>> having a partner who drives. You may just have to tolerate a long
>>>>>>>> commute or put your safety at risk. From my perspective, the former is
>>>>>>>> much preferable to the latter. Depending on salary and whether the
>>>>>>>> employer reimburses for transportation under any circumstances, taking
>>>>>>>> an Uber either all the way in or at least to a bus stop is an option.
>>>>>>>> What city are you moving to?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2/6/2020 8:53 PM, Kelby Carlson via BlindLaw wrote:
>>>>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is not a specifically law-related question, but a question about
>>>>>>>>> commuting to a legal job. At the moment we are living in a small town
>>>>>>>>> where I can walk to work, but soon I will be working in a larger
>>>>>>>>> city. We were hoping to find housing in an area where I could either
>>>>>>>>> walk or take a short bus ride, but the areas where that is possible
>>>>>>>>> are not safe. Unfortunately farther out it is very difficult to find
>>>>>>>>> anything that connects to a bus line and provides for a reasonable
>>>>>>>>> commute time. Are there other alternatives people have found in
>>>>>>>>> situations like these? Buses are by and large the only option—there
>>>>>>>>> is paratransit, but its timing is likely not reliable enough that
>>>>>>>>> commuting exclusively with it would work.
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>> Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018)
>> University of Oxford
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From kelbycarlson at gmail.com  Sun Feb  9 19:33:14 2020
From: kelbycarlson at gmail.com (Kelby Carlson)
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2020 14:33:14 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Commuting from Outside the City
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Rob, You are very correct about that. We would certainly like to live closer to the country, but doing so is much harder in this line of work.

James,

That is a possibility, and is basically what we did in D.C., but having small children makes it much more onerous on her. We may do that at first, though.

And whoever suggested commuter benefits, it looks like my work may offer them in some form; I'll be speaking to them about it, and so thank you for the suggestion.

> On Feb 9, 2020, at 1:40 PM, James Fetter via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I think you are right to avoid high crime areas. All it would take is for a friend of someone whose case you prosecuted to see you and retaliate, and it would be game over. Also, having a family definitely changes the acceptable level of risk. The only thing that keeps me sane at the moment is that the area in which I live is fairly safe. And, if push came to shove, I could walk to and from the Metro.
> 
> Could your wife drive you to a park-and-ride, from which you could take a bus into the city? My wife and I will soon be figuring out those logistics again, when we move to Charlotte for my clerkship. Good luck finding a solution that works for you and your family!
> 
> 
>> On 2/9/2020 12:10 PM, Kelby Carlson via BlindLaw wrote:
>> I am a prosecutor, so I'd rather live away from high-crime areas of the county if at all possible. With a five-figure salary and a family, ride-sharing is simply not a viable option monetarily; we did some investigation and rides into and out of the city could cost up to $20 each way. That is several hundred dollars on transportation every month. i'm not sure how you all allocate your funds, but this is totally unworkable given our other expenses. And given that we have children, my wife can't just drive me to and from work. So it seems like a long commute is the only viable option.
>> 
>>>> On Feb 9, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I prefer taking cabs to the extent I can. In India, I had access to my
>>> own car and driver, but in the West, that costs a bomb, so services
>>> like Uber are the next best option.
>>> 
>>> I sometimes feel guilty about not braving the public transport system
>>> or going to some places by foot. But, as Laura says, I see that as the
>>> price to be paid to ensure that I am able to get where I need to go
>>> faster and can spend the time so saved more productively, rather than
>>> just doing what the ideal blind person is supposed to do.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Rahul
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 09/02/2020, James Fetter via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> What Laura said. I frequently feel unsafe or at least uncomfortable
>>>> during my commute, which is on the Baltimore subway system (really just
>>>> one line). But it gets me practically to my building, and my wife is
>>>> able to drop me off at the station, just a two-minute drive or 15-minute
>>>> walk from my place, in the morning. I'm very hesitant to recommend
>>>> relying on paratransit given its notorious unreliability. Alternatively,
>>>> you may have to tolerate a certain, hopefully not too high, level of
>>>> danger. Given where I work, I can't get too worried, unless people start
>>>> being victimized in broad daylight. In other words, if you can live
>>>> somewhere near a bus line where you wouldn't dare go out by yourself
>>>> after dark but you're fine during normal business hours, that might be a
>>>> trade-off worth considering. It is very unfortunate that we have to make
>>>> these kinds of trade-offs, while sighted professionals simply drive and
>>>> complain about traffic. But I don't see a way around it at this point.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 2/9/2020 7:55 AM, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw wrote:
>>>>> I also take ride shares every day. And I get a lot of grief for this
>>>>> sometimes from other blind people because I both live and work in DC. But
>>>>> the fact of the matter is that I can drive to work in eight minutes and
>>>>> the walk plus metro ride is somewhere closer to 25 to 30. And there’s a
>>>>> whole lot more that I’d like to do with those 40 minutes every day then be
>>>>> stuck in the metro and subject to the added stress of people grabbing and
>>>>> pulling and pushing me around. I don’t make a lot of money either, and I
>>>>> definitely hear you on the budgeting aspect. But it all depends on what is
>>>>> more important to you.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Feb 9, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Kelby Carlson via BlindLaw
>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Given the salary I'll be making and the expense of ridesharing (even at
>>>>>> short distances Uber can often cost $6-8) using a service like to get to
>>>>>> and from work isn't feasible at all. The place I'll be has paratransit
>>>>>> services, so I'll have to see if those are reliable enough to use
>>>>>> consistently or not.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2020, at 11:35 PM, Deepa Goraya via BlindLaw
>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I would recommend either using rideshare services like Uber and Lyft or
>>>>>>> hiring a driver. I hired a driver when I used to intern in downtown Los
>>>>>>> Angeles and had to commute by driving and  there were no rideshare
>>>>>>> services  back then.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Deepinder K. Goraya, ESQ.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent From My iPhone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2020, at 10:14 PM, Angie Matney via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I personally use rideshares every day. I live close to a metro
>>>>>>>> station, but for various reasons (including that I like to bill while I
>>>>>>>> am commuting) this works best for me.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> In some areas there are driving services. You might check into the
>>>>>>>> feasibility of hiring a service like this for one or both directions of
>>>>>>>> your commute.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I used to live where I could walk to work, and I do miss that. Hoefully
>>>>>>>> you'll find a solution that works for you.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2020, at 10:16 AM, James Fetter via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, until automated cars are a reality and not perpetually
>>>>>>>>> "five years away," there are no alternatives aside, of course, from
>>>>>>>>> having a partner who drives. You may just have to tolerate a long
>>>>>>>>> commute or put your safety at risk. From my perspective, the former is
>>>>>>>>> much preferable to the latter. Depending on salary and whether the
>>>>>>>>> employer reimburses for transportation under any circumstances, taking
>>>>>>>>> an Uber either all the way in or at least to a bus stop is an option.
>>>>>>>>> What city are you moving to?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/6/2020 8:53 PM, Kelby Carlson via BlindLaw wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> This is not a specifically law-related question, but a question about
>>>>>>>>>> commuting to a legal job. At the moment we are living in a small town
>>>>>>>>>> where I can walk to work, but soon I will be working in a larger
>>>>>>>>>> city. We were hoping to find housing in an area where I could either
>>>>>>>>>> walk or take a short bus ride, but the areas where that is possible
>>>>>>>>>> are not safe. Unfortunately farther out it is very difficult to find
>>>>>>>>>> anything that connects to a bus line and provides for a reasonable
>>>>>>>>>> commute time. Are there other alternatives people have found in
>>>>>>>>>> situations like these? Buses are by and large the only option—there
>>>>>>>>>> is paratransit, but its timing is likely not reliable enough that
>>>>>>>>>> commuting exclusively with it would work.
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>>> Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018)
>>> University of Oxford
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From laura.wolk at gmail.com  Sun Feb  9 21:09:56 2020
From: laura.wolk at gmail.com (Laura Wolk)
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2020 16:09:56 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Commuting from Outside the City
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I don't recall anyone who responded to you Kelby mentioning the presence or lack of children. You may have young children, but others of us have no sighted spouse, or no spouse at all. Others of us are raising children on our own. Being blind in a driving America is hard, no matter one's circumstances. That isn't going to change any time soon.

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> On Feb 9, 2020, at 2:35 PM, Kelby Carlson via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Rob, You are very correct about that. We would certainly like to live closer to the country, but doing so is much harder in this line of work.
> 
> James,
> 
> That is a possibility, and is basically what we did in D.C., but having small children makes it much more onerous on her. We may do that at first, though.
> 
> And whoever suggested commuter benefits, it looks like my work may offer them in some form; I'll be speaking to them about it, and so thank you for the suggestion.
> 
>> On Feb 9, 2020, at 1:40 PM, James Fetter via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I think you are right to avoid high crime areas. All it would take is for a friend of someone whose case you prosecuted to see you and retaliate, and it would be game over. Also, having a family definitely changes the acceptable level of risk. The only thing that keeps me sane at the moment is that the area in which I live is fairly safe. And, if push came to shove, I could walk to and from the Metro.
>> 
>> Could your wife drive you to a park-and-ride, from which you could take a bus into the city? My wife and I will soon be figuring out those logistics again, when we move to Charlotte for my clerkship. Good luck finding a solution that works for you and your family!
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 2/9/2020 12:10 PM, Kelby Carlson via BlindLaw wrote:
>>> I am a prosecutor, so I'd rather live away from high-crime areas of the county if at all possible. With a five-figure salary and a family, ride-sharing is simply not a viable option monetarily; we did some investigation and rides into and out of the city could cost up to $20 each way. That is several hundred dollars on transportation every month. i'm not sure how you all allocate your funds, but this is totally unworkable given our other expenses. And given that we have children, my wife can't just drive me to and from work. So it seems like a long commute is the only viable option.
>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 9, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I prefer taking cabs to the extent I can. In India, I had access to my
>>>> own car and driver, but in the West, that costs a bomb, so services
>>>> like Uber are the next best option.
>>>> 
>>>> I sometimes feel guilty about not braving the public transport system
>>>> or going to some places by foot. But, as Laura says, I see that as the
>>>> price to be paid to ensure that I am able to get where I need to go
>>>> faster and can spend the time so saved more productively, rather than
>>>> just doing what the ideal blind person is supposed to do.
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> Rahul
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 09/02/2020, James Fetter via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> What Laura said. I frequently feel unsafe or at least uncomfortable
>>>>> during my commute, which is on the Baltimore subway system (really just
>>>>> one line). But it gets me practically to my building, and my wife is
>>>>> able to drop me off at the station, just a two-minute drive or 15-minute
>>>>> walk from my place, in the morning. I'm very hesitant to recommend
>>>>> relying on paratransit given its notorious unreliability. Alternatively,
>>>>> you may have to tolerate a certain, hopefully not too high, level of
>>>>> danger. Given where I work, I can't get too worried, unless people start
>>>>> being victimized in broad daylight. In other words, if you can live
>>>>> somewhere near a bus line where you wouldn't dare go out by yourself
>>>>> after dark but you're fine during normal business hours, that might be a
>>>>> trade-off worth considering. It is very unfortunate that we have to make
>>>>> these kinds of trade-offs, while sighted professionals simply drive and
>>>>> complain about traffic. But I don't see a way around it at this point.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2/9/2020 7:55 AM, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw wrote:
>>>>>> I also take ride shares every day. And I get a lot of grief for this
>>>>>> sometimes from other blind people because I both live and work in DC. But
>>>>>> the fact of the matter is that I can drive to work in eight minutes and
>>>>>> the walk plus metro ride is somewhere closer to 25 to 30. And there’s a
>>>>>> whole lot more that I’d like to do with those 40 minutes every day then be
>>>>>> stuck in the metro and subject to the added stress of people grabbing and
>>>>>> pulling and pushing me around. I don’t make a lot of money either, and I
>>>>>> definitely hear you on the budgeting aspect. But it all depends on what is
>>>>>> more important to you.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Feb 9, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Kelby Carlson via BlindLaw
>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Given the salary I'll be making and the expense of ridesharing (even at
>>>>>>> short distances Uber can often cost $6-8) using a service like to get to
>>>>>>> and from work isn't feasible at all. The place I'll be has paratransit
>>>>>>> services, so I'll have to see if those are reliable enough to use
>>>>>>> consistently or not.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2020, at 11:35 PM, Deepa Goraya via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I would recommend either using rideshare services like Uber and Lyft or
>>>>>>>> hiring a driver. I hired a driver when I used to intern in downtown Los
>>>>>>>> Angeles and had to commute by driving and  there were no rideshare
>>>>>>>> services  back then.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Deepinder K. Goraya, ESQ.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent From My iPhone
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2020, at 10:14 PM, Angie Matney via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I personally use rideshares every day. I live close to a metro
>>>>>>>>> station, but for various reasons (including that I like to bill while I
>>>>>>>>> am commuting) this works best for me.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> In some areas there are driving services. You might check into the
>>>>>>>>> feasibility of hiring a service like this for one or both directions of
>>>>>>>>> your commute.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I used to live where I could walk to work, and I do miss that. Hoefully
>>>>>>>>> you'll find a solution that works for you.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2020, at 10:16 AM, James Fetter via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, until automated cars are a reality and not perpetually
>>>>>>>>>> "five years away," there are no alternatives aside, of course, from
>>>>>>>>>> having a partner who drives. You may just have to tolerate a long
>>>>>>>>>> commute or put your safety at risk. From my perspective, the former is
>>>>>>>>>> much preferable to the latter. Depending on salary and whether the
>>>>>>>>>> employer reimburses for transportation under any circumstances, taking
>>>>>>>>>> an Uber either all the way in or at least to a bus stop is an option.
>>>>>>>>>> What city are you moving to?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/6/2020 8:53 PM, Kelby Carlson via BlindLaw wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> This is not a specifically law-related question, but a question about
>>>>>>>>>>> commuting to a legal job. At the moment we are living in a small town
>>>>>>>>>>> where I can walk to work, but soon I will be working in a larger
>>>>>>>>>>> city. We were hoping to find housing in an area where I could either
>>>>>>>>>>> walk or take a short bus ride, but the areas where that is possible
>>>>>>>>>>> are not safe. Unfortunately farther out it is very difficult to find
>>>>>>>>>>> anything that connects to a bus line and provides for a reasonable
>>>>>>>>>>> commute time. Are there other alternatives people have found in
>>>>>>>>>>> situations like these? Buses are by and large the only option—there
>>>>>>>>>>> is paratransit, but its timing is likely not reliable enough that
>>>>>>>>>>> commuting exclusively with it would work.
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>>>> Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018)
>>>> University of Oxford
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From angie.matney at gmail.com  Sun Feb  9 23:17:46 2020
From: angie.matney at gmail.com (Angie Matney)
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2020 18:17:46 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Commuting from Outside the City
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Unfortunately, there are no easy answers. As a single mom working at a bigggish) firm, I can attest to this. If you have a somewhat predictable schedule, maybe you can hire a driver. I don't have this kind of schedule myself, but it might be a little cheaper than taxis / rideshares, if you can "work it out. Good luck. 

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> On Feb 9, 2020, at 1:30 PM, Kelby Carlson via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Apologies if I sounded a bit harsh. Of course, there are benefits to using services like Uber, but overall it is more expensive to use it over buses/cars on a daily basis. It all does depend on where you are and what circumstances you are in.
> 
> My spouse did drive me to and from the metro on her way to work when we lived in D.C., but unfortunately that becomes much more difficult when the drive is farther and there are kids.
> 
>> On Feb 9, 2020, at 12:53 PM, Maura Kutnyak via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Echoing Sy’s Point, I think unfamiliarity is often conflated with threat. And while as a prosecutor you may feel that there is a target on your back, The odds of you being a target of inner city violence are likely relatively low. 
>> 
>> I will add that this type of cost benefit analysis is definitely not exclusive to blind folks. Owning and maintaining a car can easily cost hundreds of dollars a month. Particularly when people have large loans. When I feel guilty or concerned about my use of ridesharing, I E taking a Lyft to take my children to the doctors office, I consider how much cheaper it is then having a second car.
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> 
>> Maura Kutnyak  MPA.
>> 716-563-9882
>> 
>>>> On Feb 9, 2020, at 12:35 PM, Sybren Hoekstra via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> FW I W, I live in New York City, and take the subway in pretty much any neighborhood at all hours. I think in general the dangers of high crime areas Are highly exaggerated. But I understand that they feel very believable if you have not spent a lot of time in the city before, And having children only increases that sense.
>>> 
>>> Have you asked your job if they offer any kind of commuter benefits? The ridesharing could be significantly cheaper if, for instants, you could get a card that allows you to pay for commuter expenses tax free, which I have.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 9, 2020, at 12:11, Kelby Carlson via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I am a prosecutor, so I'd rather live away from high-crime areas of the county if at all possible. With a five-figure salary and a family, ride-sharing is simply not a viable option monetarily; we did some investigation and rides into and out of the city could cost up to $20 each way. That is several hundred dollars on transportation every month. i'm not sure how you all allocate your funds, but this is totally unworkable given our other expenses. And given that we have children, my wife can't just drive me to and from work. So it seems like a long commute is the only viable option.
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Feb 9, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I prefer taking cabs to the extent I can. In India, I had access to my
>>>>> own car and driver, but in the West, that costs a bomb, so services
>>>>> like Uber are the next best option.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I sometimes feel guilty about not braving the public transport system
>>>>> or going to some places by foot. But, as Laura says, I see that as the
>>>>> price to be paid to ensure that I am able to get where I need to go
>>>>> faster and can spend the time so saved more productively, rather than
>>>>> just doing what the ideal blind person is supposed to do.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Rahul
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 09/02/2020, James Fetter via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> What Laura said. I frequently feel unsafe or at least uncomfortable
>>>>>> during my commute, which is on the Baltimore subway system (really just
>>>>>> one line). But it gets me practically to my building, and my wife is
>>>>>> able to drop me off at the station, just a two-minute drive or 15-minute
>>>>>> walk from my place, in the morning. I'm very hesitant to recommend
>>>>>> relying on paratransit given its notorious unreliability. Alternatively,
>>>>>> you may have to tolerate a certain, hopefully not too high, level of
>>>>>> danger. Given where I work, I can't get too worried, unless people start
>>>>>> being victimized in broad daylight. In other words, if you can live
>>>>>> somewhere near a bus line where you wouldn't dare go out by yourself
>>>>>> after dark but you're fine during normal business hours, that might be a
>>>>>> trade-off worth considering. It is very unfortunate that we have to make
>>>>>> these kinds of trade-offs, while sighted professionals simply drive and
>>>>>> complain about traffic. But I don't see a way around it at this point.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 2/9/2020 7:55 AM, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw wrote:
>>>>>>> I also take ride shares every day. And I get a lot of grief for this
>>>>>>> sometimes from other blind people because I both live and work in DC. But
>>>>>>> the fact of the matter is that I can drive to work in eight minutes and
>>>>>>> the walk plus metro ride is somewhere closer to 25 to 30. And there’s a
>>>>>>> whole lot more that I’d like to do with those 40 minutes every day then be
>>>>>>> stuck in the metro and subject to the added stress of people grabbing and
>>>>>>> pulling and pushing me around. I don’t make a lot of money either, and I
>>>>>>> definitely hear you on the budgeting aspect. But it all depends on what is
>>>>>>> more important to you.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Feb 9, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Kelby Carlson via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Given the salary I'll be making and the expense of ridesharing (even at
>>>>>>>> short distances Uber can often cost $6-8) using a service like to get to
>>>>>>>> and from work isn't feasible at all. The place I'll be has paratransit
>>>>>>>> services, so I'll have to see if those are reliable enough to use
>>>>>>>> consistently or not.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2020, at 11:35 PM, Deepa Goraya via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I would recommend either using rideshare services like Uber and Lyft or
>>>>>>>>> hiring a driver. I hired a driver when I used to intern in downtown Los
>>>>>>>>> Angeles and had to commute by driving and  there were no rideshare
>>>>>>>>> services  back then.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Deepinder K. Goraya, ESQ.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Sent From My iPhone
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2020, at 10:14 PM, Angie Matney via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I personally use rideshares every day. I live close to a metro
>>>>>>>>>> station, but for various reasons (including that I like to bill while I
>>>>>>>>>> am commuting) this works best for me.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> In some areas there are driving services. You might check into the
>>>>>>>>>> feasibility of hiring a service like this for one or both directions of
>>>>>>>>>> your commute.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I used to live where I could walk to work, and I do miss that. Hoefully
>>>>>>>>>> you'll find a solution that works for you.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2020, at 10:16 AM, James Fetter via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, until automated cars are a reality and not perpetually
>>>>>>>>>>> "five years away," there are no alternatives aside, of course, from
>>>>>>>>>>> having a partner who drives. You may just have to tolerate a long
>>>>>>>>>>> commute or put your safety at risk. From my perspective, the former is
>>>>>>>>>>> much preferable to the latter. Depending on salary and whether the
>>>>>>>>>>> employer reimburses for transportation under any circumstances, taking
>>>>>>>>>>> an Uber either all the way in or at least to a bus stop is an option.
>>>>>>>>>>> What city are you moving to?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/6/2020 8:53 PM, Kelby Carlson via BlindLaw wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> This is not a specifically law-related question, but a question about
>>>>>>>>>>>> commuting to a legal job. At the moment we are living in a small town
>>>>>>>>>>>> where I can walk to work, but soon I will be working in a larger
>>>>>>>>>>>> city. We were hoping to find housing in an area where I could either
>>>>>>>>>>>> walk or take a short bus ride, but the areas where that is possible
>>>>>>>>>>>> are not safe. Unfortunately farther out it is very difficult to find
>>>>>>>>>>>> anything that connects to a bus line and provides for a reasonable
>>>>>>>>>>>> commute time. Are there other alternatives people have found in
>>>>>>>>>>>> situations like these? Buses are by and large the only option—there
>>>>>>>>>>>> is paratransit, but its timing is likely not reliable enough that
>>>>>>>>>>>> commuting exclusively with it would work.
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>>>>> 
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Rahul Bajaj
>>>>> Candidate for the MPhil in Law
>>>>> Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018)
>>>>> University of Oxford
>>>>> 
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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Mon Feb 10 18:57:31 2020
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 18:57:31 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] FW: WACDA is hiring - Litigation Associate
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Subject: WACDA is hiring - Litigation Associate Attorney

Good morning associates, allies, and friends,
I write to request your assistance in helping spread the word about Washington Civil & Disability Advocate's open litigation associate position. Thanks to another banner year in 2019 we continue to expand and take on more cases as well as expand our disability education/awareness and advocacy work as a 501(c)(3) nonprofit. Next up we could use the assistance of an additional litigation associate on our team. This is an exciting time for our organization and an infusion of talent and energy will help us take our work to the next level.

See attached job description for more information and instructions on how to apply.
Please share far and wide!
Thank you,
--
Conrad Reynoldson, Attorney at Law
Washington Civil & Disability Advocate
www.wacda.com<http://www.wacda.com/>
4115 Roosevelt Way NE, Suite B
Seattle, WA 98105
Office (206) 428-3558
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From deepa.goraya at gmail.com  Tue Feb 11 15:07:11 2020
From: deepa.goraya at gmail.com (Deepa Goraya)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2020 10:07:11 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Fwd: cava mezze menu attached and pasted in message
References: <038001d5e0c5$b69365f0$23ba31d0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <675F2E8C-AC32-46DB-9C49-955024931073@gmail.com>



Deepinder K. Goraya, ESQ.

Sent From My iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

> From: scott.marshall2 at gmail.com
> Date: February 11, 2020 at 5:26:27 AM EST
> To: Deepa Goraya <deepa.goraya at gmail.com>
> Subject: FW:  cava mezze menu attached and pasted in message
> 
> 
>  
> Deepa:
> Thought this might be of some help to those attending tonight. I did not post it to the list given the small number for dinner. Please forward if you wish since I do not have their email addresses.
> Scott
>  
> – Dips –
> BABAGANOUSH* 7
> eggplant, tahini, lemon, olive oil
>  
> HUMMUS 7
> chick peas, tahini, citrus, aleppo, za’atar
>  
> CRAZY FETA* 7
> whipped feta, jalapeño
>  
> TZATZIKI* 7
> Greek yogurt, cucumber, garlic
>  
> LABNEH* 7
> pickles, crispy chickpeas, crispy garlic
>  
> DIP TASTING 12
> crazy feta, labneh, hummus, babaganoush with grilled pita
>  
>  
>  
> – Salads –
> TAHINI CAESAR 10
> arugula, romaine hearts, celery, radish, lemon garlic tahini, herb garlic
>  
> VILLAGE SALAD* 12
> hummingbird farms tomatoes, persian cucumber, aged feta, bell peppers, olives, red onion, oregano
>  
> ROASTED BEET SALAD* 11
> red & golden beets, red wine vinaigrette, feta, spiced hazelnuts, herb garlic
>  
>  
>  
> – Vegetables –
> CABBAGE ROLLS 8
> roasted eggplant, za’atar rice, celery root puree, dill
>  
> ROASTED CAULIFLOWER 11
> crispy chickpeas, goat cheese, spicy dill vinaigrette
>  
> BRUSSELS SPROUTS 12
> Greek yogurt, olive bread crumbs
>  
> FALAFEL 10
> crispy chickpeas, cilantro, carrots, Cypriot tahini, spicy eggplant
>  
> ZUCCHINI FRITTERS 11
> shredded zucchini, feta, mint, dill, tzatziki
>  
> SPANAKOPITA 12
> spinach, leeks, dill, feta, phyllo dough
>  
>  
>  
> SWEET POTATO 11
> roasted, onion date relish, za’atar butter, lemon yogurt, dukkah spice, mint
>  
> MYCONIAN POTATO TERRINE 10
> layers of thinly sliced potato, truffled feta mousse
>  
> BROCCOLINI 10
> grilled dates, olive oil hummus, scallions
>  
> – Cheese –
> SAGANAKI  12
> tableside flambéed kefalograviera, lemon
>  
> CRAZY FETA HUSH PUPPIES  9
> cornmeal, honey butter
>  
> – Seafood –
> SCALLOP RISOTTO‡* 18
> u-10 dry scallops, saffron, mushroom
>  
> BRANZINO* 19
> whole fish butterflied, grilled fingerling potatoes, caper chimichurri
>  
> OCTOPUS* 15
> burnt onion, tahini, split pea puree
>  
> FRIED CALAMARI 9
> shawarma spice, savory garlic dip
>  
> OPA OPA SHRIMP 13
> sauteed shrimp, orzo, scallions, dill, ouzo, feta
>  
> SHRIMP* 12
> grilled, split pea puree, dill, lemon
>  
>  
>  
> – Chicken –
> CRISPY CHICKEN SLIDERS 12
> 2 sliders, spicy apricot, cabbage slaw, tarragon harissa aioli, feta, jalapenos
>  
> CHICKEN SOUVLAKI* 11
> grilled, onions, olive oil, lemon, herbs
>  
> LOLLIPOP CHICKEN 12
> honey, greek yogurt, walnuts
>  
> SMOKEY CHICKEN 10
> tomato braised, smoked pork belly, orzo, kefalograviera cheese
>  
>  
>  
> – Beef + Lamb –
> STEAK KABOB* 14
> grilled hanger, onions, aleppo, truffle tzatziki, dukkah spice, grilled potatoes, chives
>  
> SHORT RIB 11
> braised, tomato, celery root puree, kefalograviera cheese
>  
> GRILLED MEATBALLS 11
> beef, greek yogurt, thyme
>  
> GRILLED LAMB CHOPS ‡ 18
> 2 chops, fingerling potatoes, olive oil
>  
> MINI GYROS 12
> tomato, onion, tzatziki, fries
>  
> SPICY LAMB SLIDERS 12
> tzatziki, harissa, arugula, tomato, onion, brioche bun
>  
> LAMB MEATBALLS 11
> spicy lamb, tahini, shug, harissa
>  
> CHEF D PLATTER 65
> 3 lamb chops, 2 chicken souvlaki, 4 grilled meatballs, 2 lamb meatballs, gyro, fries,
>  
> tzatziki, pita, onions, tomatoes serves 2-3 people or 1 animal
>  
>  

From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Tue Feb 11 16:29:04 2020
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2020 16:29:04 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] U.S. Department of Education Office for Civil Rights
 General Attorney GS-0905-11/12 FPL 13 Announcement- several regional
 offices
Message-ID: <BY5PR09MB47565B42ABCA47308DB62EADF9180@BY5PR09MB4756.namprd09.prod.outlook.com>

.  See below link for OCR General Attorney, GS-0905-11/12, FPL 13 Announcement located in the following offices:

Chicago
Dallas
Metro (Washington, D.C.)
San Francisco

The Announcement opened on 2/11/2020, and closes on 6/11/2020.   This is an open/continuous Announcement which will close every 30 days with certificates being issued to each office.

ANNNOUNCEMENT:
https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/559399800


From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Tue Feb 11 16:36:50 2020
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2020 16:36:50 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Alternative Dispute Resolution Mediator--King County
 Washington
Message-ID: <BY5PR09MB4756381618BA8C865177810DF9180@BY5PR09MB4756.namprd09.prod.outlook.com>




From: King County, WA [mailto:KingCounty at subscriptions.kingcounty.gov]
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 10:46 AM
Subject: Alternative Dispute Resolution Mediator

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The Department of Human Resources (DHR) is seeking an experienced Alternative Dispute Resolution (ADR) professional to join our fast-paced, dynamic team. The ADR Mediator is responsible for providing mediation, facilitation, coaching, and other dispute resolution services for individuals and groups in King County as well as the inter-agency dispute resolution services through the Inter-Local Conflict Resolution Group (ILCRG).

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The King County ADR Program services include conflict coaching, mediating and facilitating complex work place and public interest disputes, training in conflict resolution, communication and negotiation, facilitating collective bargaining discussions, and chartering and facilitating labor management committees. The ADR Program is dedicated to creating new products that support the responsible stewardship of County resources by reducing the cost of conflict for King County employees, government, tax payers, and regional partners.

The Inter-Local Conflict Resolution Group
The ILCRG is a unique regional program created jointly by the King County Executive and the King County Labor Council in 1998 to provide third party neutral services to resolve conflict. The ILCRG is a leader in regional governance, partnering with over 70 member cities, counties, and other public entities and over 30 unions to provide mediation services.

Who May Apply
This position is open to the general public. King County values diverse perspectives and life experiences. We encourage people of all backgrounds to apply including people of color, immigrants, refugees, women, LGBTQ, people with disabilities, veterans and those with lived experience.

Forms and Materials Required
An online employment application, with employment history going back at least ten years if you have ten years of employment (or more to include all relevant experience), and attach a resume and cover letter (no more than 2 pages) which clearly describes how you meet or exceed the requirements and why you would be the best person for the position.

For more information regarding this recruitment, please contact:
Elisha Mackey
Senior Recruiter
206-477-0193
elisha.mackey at kingcounty.gov

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From philosopher25 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 12 12:50:07 2020
From: philosopher25 at gmail.com (philosopher25 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 07:50:07 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Updates on Relativity accessibility with JAWS
In-Reply-To: <00a401d5dcfa$048de340$0da9a9c0$@gmail.com>
References: <00a401d5dcfa$048de340$0da9a9c0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0DA94083-405E-4637-9D9D-25ECE28BBF30@gmail.com>

Hi, having never used relativity, I wonder if Aira would be useful in this situation. 

BruceSexton, JD

Dictated on an accessible device. 

> On Feb 6, 2020, at 9:30 AM, Cody via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> All,
> 
> 
> 
> I am trying to sign on with a local document review company  for some
> contract work. They use Relativity, which I have not used before. I found
> some archived blindlaw conversations from 2015 that seem to suggest
> Relativity can be made accessible with scripts. I am wondering if there have
> been any changes regarding the accessibility of Relativity since that 2015
> conversation. Has anyone been successfully using Relativity since 2015?
> 
> 
> 
> Respectfully,
> 
> Cody Davis
> 
> _______________________________________________
> BlindLaw mailing list
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From cjdavis9193 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 12 15:51:44 2020
From: cjdavis9193 at gmail.com (Cody Davis)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 10:51:44 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Updates on Relativity accessibility with JAWS
In-Reply-To: <0DA94083-405E-4637-9D9D-25ECE28BBF30@gmail.com>
References: <0DA94083-405E-4637-9D9D-25ECE28BBF30@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <17E359B3-0228-448D-8D11-EB9F64E247AF@gmail.com>

That wouldn’t work for my situation. I would need to be working in the software for hours at a time, not just pulling documents from it and filing documents here in there.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 12, 2020, at 7:53 AM, philosopher25--- via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi, having never used relativity, I wonder if Aira would be useful in this situation. 
> 
> BruceSexton, JD
> 
> Dictated on an accessible device. 
> 
>> On Feb 6, 2020, at 9:30 AM, Cody via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> All,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I am trying to sign on with a local document review company  for some
>> contract work. They use Relativity, which I have not used before. I found
>> some archived blindlaw conversations from 2015 that seem to suggest
>> Relativity can be made accessible with scripts. I am wondering if there have
>> been any changes regarding the accessibility of Relativity since that 2015
>> conversation. Has anyone been successfully using Relativity since 2015?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Respectfully,
>> 
>> Cody Davis
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> BlindLaw mailing list
>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Wed Feb 12 16:31:37 2020
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 16:31:37 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] U.S. Department of Education Office for Civil Rights
 General Attorney GS-0905-11/12 FPL 13 Announcement- several regional
 offices
Message-ID: <BY5PR09MB4756E5580F85642BFAD87E42F91B0@BY5PR09MB4756.namprd09.prod.outlook.com>

.  See below link for OCR General Attorney, GS-0905-11/12, FPL 13 Announcement located in the following offices:

Denver
Kansas City
Philadelphia
Boston

The Announcement opened on 2/12/2020, and closes on 6/12/2020.   This is an open/continuous Announcement which will close every 30 days with certificates being issued to each office.

ANNNOUNCEMENT:
https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/559616900

From davant1958 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 12 16:46:45 2020
From: davant1958 at gmail.com (davant1958 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 10:46:45 -0600
Subject: [blindLaw] FW: Washington DC: American University Washington
 College of Law hiring Practitioner-in-Residence at Disability Rights Law
 Clinic
In-Reply-To: <CAKCFnvEDDS+2fzjswO7vBDxfj2U5DwbNxV1Bq-pn0sUxAA8pzg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CY4PR10MB1367C42F7D6853C97823FBA49D190@CY4PR10MB1367.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAKCFnvEDDS+2fzjswO7vBDxfj2U5DwbNxV1Bq-pn0sUxAA8pzg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <029901d5e1c4$03b6aa00$0b23fe00$@gmail.com>

 

 

Denise R. Avant, Esq.

President,

National Federation of the Blind of Illinois

773-991-8050

Live the life you want.

 

For more information about NFBI,

Go to www.nfbofillinois.org

 

From: The Disability Discussion Docket (3D) <3D at MAIL.AMERICANBAR.ORG> On Behalf Of Lydia X. Z. Brown
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2020 10:59 AM
To: 3D at MAIL.AMERICANBAR.ORG
Subject: Washington DC: American University Washington College of Law hiring Practitioner-in-Residence at Disability Rights Law Clinic

 

Dear friends:


The Disability Rights Law Clinic at American University, Washington College of Law, is seeking to hire a practitioner-in-residence in our clinical program.  The position is for Academic Year 2020-21 with the possibility for renewal for Academic Years 2021-22 and 2022-23.  The advertisement is attached.  Happy to answer any questions about the position off list.

 

Please share with others whom you believe might be interested in applying.

 

Best,

 

Bob 

 

Robert D. Dinerstein

Professor of Law 

Director, Disability Rights Law Clinic

American University, Washington College of Law

4300 Nebraska Avenue, NW

Room Y-202

Washington, DC 20016

(202) 274-4141 (ph)

(202) 274-0659 (f)

rdiners at wcl.american.edu <mailto:rdiners at wcl.american.edu> 

 

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From mallazkh at gmail.com  Wed Feb 12 19:54:14 2020
From: mallazkh at gmail.com (Mallaz Khalil)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 11:54:14 -0800
Subject: [blindLaw] Visually impaired paralegal looking for an opportunity
 in the USA
Message-ID: <6D2BD975-8A56-4A28-87D0-46DF98D22E00@gmail.com>

Dear visually impaired legal community:

My name is Mallaz and I am from Canada.

 I learned about you from The Canadian Federation of the blind and through my friend Justin who I connected with him during my training at  the Colorado centre for the  blind.
 The Canadian Federation of the blind, of which I am a member, shares the same values , vision, and  positive philosophy of the NFB.

 I am currently job hunting for  an opportunity in the legal  field that would provides a chance  for professional growth and career development. I am more than happy to  relocate to the United States upon the receipt of a job offer.

I have a Bachelor of Arts in political science from The University of British Columbia and  a paralegal certificate from capilano University. Additionally, I am proficient in using assistive technology software and speak Arabic and English fluently. 

 am a very hard-working individual who is  goal oriented and career driven, however, it has been difficult to maintain a long term career as a person with a disability. This is due in someway to the fact that Canada does not have an act  similar to  the Americans with disabilities act of 1990.  
 My most recent work experiences are working for the department of justice Canada as a legal support clerk, for three years at the public safety defence and immigration section. Prior to that, I  worked as an accessibility Specialist  for the Rick Hansen foundation. While I was still at school, I worked for the law office of Barbara Findlay Who is an immigration lawyer. 

For more details about my work history and skills, I would be happy to provide you with my resume. Alternatively, we can schedule a phone conversation to discuss my skillsets, My attributes and how I can contribute to your firm or business.

Please feel free to email me at mallazkh at gmail.com or phone me at 
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If you have any questions or require any clarifications, please do not hesitate to ask. If you think this post maybe of interest or of value to a attorneys or legal professionals you know, please also feel free to   forward along. I look forward to hearing from you.

Respectfully,
Mallaz
7789603538

From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Fri Feb 14 13:29:31 2020
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2020 06:29:31 -0700
Subject: [blindLaw] FW: Attorney and Legal Internship Vacancies at the U.S.
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fyi

 

From: DOJlawjobs (OARM) <DOJlawjobs at usdoj.gov> 
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2020 6:11 AM
To: Undisclosed recipients:
Subject: Attorney and Legal Internship Vacancies at the U.S. Department of
Justice

 

Good morning,

Below is a list of current attorney and legal internship vacancies at the
U.S. Department of Justice. Please post on your internal sites and
distribute to any interested audience, including law student organizations
and other affinity groups. 

The Department of Justice places a high value on diversity of experiences
and perspectives and encourages applications from all qualified individuals
from all ethnic and racial backgrounds, veterans
<https://www.justice.gov/careers/veteran-recruitment> , LGBT individuals,
and persons with disabilities
<https://www.justice.gov/careers/disability-hiring> .  We welcome
applications from candidates who are interested in positively contributing
to Justice and hope that you will consider joining the dedicated public
servants at the Department of Justice.  To learn more about Justice and our
legal careers, please visit our website at
https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers.


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization Civil Division (CIV) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Assistant Director
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/assistant-director>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State District of Columbia 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated February 14, 2020 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization USAO Southern District of Texas 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Assistant United States Attorney (AUSA)
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/assistant-united-states-attorney-
ausa-84>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State Texas 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated February 13, 2020 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization USAO Middle District of Florida 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Assistant United States Attorney (Civil)
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/assistant-united-states-attorney-
civil-45>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State Florida 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated February 13, 2020 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization United States Trustee Program (USTP) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Trial Attorney
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/trial-attorney-419>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State Virginia 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated February 13, 2020 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization USAO District of Puerto Rico 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title 2020 Volunteer Summer Law Program
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/2020-volunteer-summer-law-program
> 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State Puerto Rico 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated February 13, 2020 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization Criminal Division (CRM) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Trial Attorney (Market Integrity and Major Frauds Unit)
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/trial-attorney-420>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State District of Columbia 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated February 12, 2020 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization USAO Middle District of Florida 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Assistant United States Attorney (Criminal)
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/assistant-united-states-attorney-
criminal-77>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State Florida 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated February 12, 2020 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization Criminal Division (CRM) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Trial Attorney (Foreign Corrupt Practices Act Unit)
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/trial-attorney-foreign-corrupt-pr
actices-act-unit>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State District of Columbia 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated February 12, 2020 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization Criminal Division (CRM) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Resident Legal Advisor, Bangladesh
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/resident-legal-advisor-bangladesh
-2>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated February 12, 2020 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization Executive Office for United States Attorneys (EOUSA) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Attorney Advisor
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/attorney-advisor-285>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State District of Columbia 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated February 12, 2020 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization Executive Office for Immigration Review (EOIR) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Volunteer Law Intern for Summer 2020
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/volunteer-law-intern-summer-2020>


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State California 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated February 12, 2020 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization Civil Division (CIV) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Patent Attorney
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/patent-attorney-3>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State District of Columbia 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated February 12, 2020 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization USAO District of Connecticut 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Assistant United States Attorney - Criminal
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/assistant-united-states-attorney-
criminal-76>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State Connecticut 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated February 12, 2020 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization Civil Rights Division (CRT) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Trial Attorney
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/trial-attorney-414>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State District of Columbia 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated February 12, 2020 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization Civil Rights Division (CRT) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Trial Attorney
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/trial-attorney-415>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State District of Columbia 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated February 12, 2020 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization USAO Eastern District of California 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Law Student Volunteer - Fall 2019, Spring 2020, Summer 2020,
Criminal Division, Fresno Office
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/law-student-volunteer-fall-2019-s
pring-2020-summer-2020-criminal-division-fresno>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State California 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated February 11, 2020 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization USAO Eastern District of California 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Law Student Volunteer - Fall 2019, Spring 2020, Summer 2020,
Criminal Division, Sacramento Office
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/law-student-volunteer-fall-2019-s
pring-2020-summer-2020-criminal-division>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State California 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated February 11, 2020 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Discovery General Attorney
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/discovery-general-attorney-0>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State District of Columbia 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated February 11, 2020 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization Office of the Pardon Attorney (Pardon) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Law Student Volunteer - 2020/2021
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/law-student-volunteer-20202021>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State District of Columbia 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
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From dandrews920 at comcast.net  Sat Feb 15 19:29:21 2020
From: dandrews920 at comcast.net (David Andrews)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2020 13:29:21 -0600
Subject: [blindLaw] Question about JAWS and Word
In-Reply-To: <CAL6jpexUx154aCuWnijZUVA1Azqg3vf9=Ez=Eiesb1q56aG3dQ@mail.g
	mail.com>
References: <CAL6jpexUx154aCuWnijZUVA1Azqg3vf9=Ez=Eiesb1q56aG3dQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.67.1771245460.733174.blindlaw_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>

How much memory does your machine have?  If not enough, it could 
cause problems.

Dave

At 10:51 PM 2/8/2020, you wrote:
>All:
>
>For the past couple of weeks, JAWS occasionally stops allowing me to
>read or edit Word documents. It's especially common when I have
>several windows open at the same time. It got better after JAWS
>updated, but it isn't fixed.  Does anyone know what in the world is
>going on? Visparo/Freedom Scientific hasn't returned my calls.
>
>I have JAWS 19, Windows 10, and the latest version of Office 365.
>Unfortunately, Wordpad and NVDA aren't sophisticated enough for me to
>work in a Legal Writing template.
>
>Warmth,
>Sanho



From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com  Sat Feb 15 21:17:01 2020
From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2020 21:17:01 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Giving a presentation at American law schools on the
 IDAP Interview Series: request for suggestions
Message-ID: <0CE9B90E-0B51-418B-9169-8934E7CDBEA6@gmail.com>

Hi, all,

I will be visiting the US in the last week of March, to take part in the Jacobus TenBroek Disability Law Symposium and to hold a panel discussion as part of the symposium. Other than Baltimore, I will most likely be visiting DC and New York. As some of you are aware, a couple of years ago,I co-led an interview series featuring legal professionals with disabilities as part of which we interviewed around 20 folks from 6 countries and three continents.

I was wondering if it would be a good idea to deliver a presentation on the series at one of the top US law schools. To shine the spotlight on the key insights flowing from the series and foster dialogue on the issues it covers. I was going to do this at U Chicago Law, but it is sadly not happening. Does anyone have any leads to help me reach out to law schools like Harvard and Yale or the 3 cities mentioned and pitch this idea? 

Best,
Rahul
 

Sent from my iPhone

From sanho817 at gmail.com  Sat Feb 15 23:10:28 2020
From: sanho817 at gmail.com (Sanho Steele-Louchart)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2020 17:10:28 -0600
Subject: [blindLaw] Question about JAWS and Word
In-Reply-To: <5e4846d4.1c69fb81.9eb45.ef76SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
References: <5e4846d4.1c69fb81.9eb45.ef76SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <1941FE3A-002A-4C80-8E1D-F72EB93C1828@gmail.com>

Dave, 

After a great deal of hypothesizing, our current theory is that the problem exists at the intersection of a weak machine and the constant updates being pushed out by Office 365. I'm now using a second computer with JAWS 18, Word 2013, and an I7 processor with gobs of memory. So far, so good. 

Warmth, 
Sanho 

> On Feb 15, 2020, at 1:30 PM, David Andrews via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> How much memory does your machine have?  If not enough, it could cause problems.
> 
> Dave
> 
> At 10:51 PM 2/8/2020, you wrote:
>> All:
>> 
>> For the past couple of weeks, JAWS occasionally stops allowing me to
>> read or edit Word documents. It's especially common when I have
>> several windows open at the same time. It got better after JAWS
>> updated, but it isn't fixed.  Does anyone know what in the world is
>> going on? Visparo/Freedom Scientific hasn't returned my calls.
>> 
>> I have JAWS 19, Windows 10, and the latest version of Office 365.
>> Unfortunately, Wordpad and NVDA aren't sophisticated enough for me to
>> work in a Legal Writing template.
>> 
>> Warmth,
>> Sanho
> 
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From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Wed Feb 19 14:40:22 2020
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 07:40:22 -0700
Subject: [blindLaw] FW: Exciting Professional Opportunities - February Jobs
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From laura.wolk at gmail.com  Wed Feb 19 16:08:46 2020
From: laura.wolk at gmail.com (Laura Wolk)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 11:08:46 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
Message-ID: <CAHG6wD4mc6ANY2Z1g8sQzwk6cTOtwuHSorJDRLb+a94cCX_FcA@mail.gmail.com>

All,

What is the progress with Westlaw making the (very basic) Copy Cite
feature accessible?  This is on my short list of things that NABL
should be bringing its clout down , and probably should have years
ago.  If I added up all the seconds it takes for me to glean this
information that sighted people obtain with the click of a button...
I'd be getting a lot more sleep.  Not to mention, Westlaw is used in
every law school across the country for teaching purposes.  I'm still
not really sure how it and Lexis have not been the subject of
litigation on this point by now.

Along that same line, apparently like all other companies westlaw has
felt the need to update a not broken system to a new product called
"Westlaw Edge."
https://legal.thomsonreuters.com/en/insights/articles/announcing-westlaw-edge

I'm sure peoples' firms will be forcibly converted over time to this
new platform.  Has NFB had any contact with the developpers to ensure
that we don't have another horror show where these "latest and
greatest" features are in fact not accessible and result in blind
lawyers not being able to do their jobs?

Thanks,
Laura


From jtfetter at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 19 16:21:50 2020
From: jtfetter at yahoo.com (James Fetter)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 11:21:50 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
In-Reply-To: <CAHG6wD4mc6ANY2Z1g8sQzwk6cTOtwuHSorJDRLb+a94cCX_FcA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHG6wD4mc6ANY2Z1g8sQzwk6cTOtwuHSorJDRLb+a94cCX_FcA@mail.gmail.com>
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The copy site button is accessible when using Westlaw Edge, at least 
when using google chrome. I don't remember seeing that feature on 
Westlaw Next, and now that my firm upgraded to Edge, I'm unfortunately 
not able to see what standard Westlaw has or doesn't have. So far, the 
other features of Edge seem to be accessible, although I have not made 
extensive use of them. Most of the features involve analytics, which are 
primarily useful for district court litigation.

On 2/19/2020 11:08 AM, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw wrote:
> All,
>
> What is the progress with Westlaw making the (very basic) Copy Cite
> feature accessible?  This is on my short list of things that NABL
> should be bringing its clout down , and probably should have years
> ago.  If I added up all the seconds it takes for me to glean this
> information that sighted people obtain with the click of a button...
> I'd be getting a lot more sleep.  Not to mention, Westlaw is used in
> every law school across the country for teaching purposes.  I'm still
> not really sure how it and Lexis have not been the subject of
> litigation on this point by now.
>
> Along that same line, apparently like all other companies westlaw has
> felt the need to update a not broken system to a new product called
> "Westlaw Edge."
> https://legal.thomsonreuters.com/en/insights/articles/announcing-westlaw-edge
>
> I'm sure peoples' firms will be forcibly converted over time to this
> new platform.  Has NFB had any contact with the developpers to ensure
> that we don't have another horror show where these "latest and
> greatest" features are in fact not accessible and result in blind
> lawyers not being able to do their jobs?
>
> Thanks,
> Laura
>
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From NSingh at cov.com  Wed Feb 19 16:25:02 2020
From: NSingh at cov.com (Singh, Nandini)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 16:25:02 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
In-Reply-To: <CAHG6wD4mc6ANY2Z1g8sQzwk6cTOtwuHSorJDRLb+a94cCX_FcA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHG6wD4mc6ANY2Z1g8sQzwk6cTOtwuHSorJDRLb+a94cCX_FcA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <80b0c5c1c3734f16af449768eaec406b@CBIvEX03eUS.cov.com>

Laura,

I have brought up the copy cite issue each time I call Westlaw about its performance with JAWS. Whoever is assisting me writes it down for West's development team, but maybe there is not a critical mass of people requesting improvement since it has been something I have repeatedly raised. I am not sure what else could be the hang-up in this regard. There should be a technological solution other than my having to copy it from the case frontal matter.

I am not sure about Edge and am probably just as concerned as you are. I am also dealing with a disastrous Windows update that has rendered my email and word processing nearly impossible to use, though I admit this is not quite the same problem of an inaccessible environment for JAWS. All the pointless updates and upgrades can really have a negative impact.

Regards,
Nikki

-----Original Message-----
From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Laura Wolk via BlindLaw
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 11:09 AM
To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com>
Subject: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility

[EXTERNAL]

All,

What is the progress with Westlaw making the (very basic) Copy Cite feature accessible?  This is on my short list of things that NABL should be bringing its clout down , and probably should have years ago.  If I added up all the seconds it takes for me to glean this information that sighted people obtain with the click of a button...
I'd be getting a lot more sleep.  Not to mention, Westlaw is used in every law school across the country for teaching purposes.  I'm still not really sure how it and Lexis have not been the subject of litigation on this point by now.

Along that same line, apparently like all other companies westlaw has felt the need to update a not broken system to a new product called "Westlaw Edge."
https://legal.thomsonreuters.com/en/insights/articles/announcing-westlaw-edge

I'm sure peoples' firms will be forcibly converted over time to this new platform.  Has NFB had any contact with the developpers to ensure that we don't have another horror show where these "latest and greatest" features are in fact not accessible and result in blind lawyers not being able to do their jobs?

Thanks,
Laura

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From sanho817 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 19 16:42:10 2020
From: sanho817 at gmail.com (Sanho Steele-Louchart)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 10:42:10 -0600
Subject: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
In-Reply-To: <80b0c5c1c3734f16af449768eaec406b@CBIvEX03eUS.cov.com>
References: <CAHG6wD4mc6ANY2Z1g8sQzwk6cTOtwuHSorJDRLb+a94cCX_FcA@mail.gmail.com>
	<80b0c5c1c3734f16af449768eaec406b@CBIvEX03eUS.cov.com>
Message-ID: <CAL6jpezxaP9J9C3tHnXSCHweg6QotbSYSQ-kWSfPt-qaKkY1Sg@mail.gmail.com>

All,

Westlaw Mobile is extremely accessible. You can access the login page
at m.next.westlaw.com

Warmth,
Sanho


On 2/19/20, Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Laura,
>
> I have brought up the copy cite issue each time I call Westlaw about its
> performance with JAWS. Whoever is assisting me writes it down for West's
> development team, but maybe there is not a critical mass of people
> requesting improvement since it has been something I have repeatedly raised.
> I am not sure what else could be the hang-up in this regard. There should be
> a technological solution other than my having to copy it from the case
> frontal matter.
>
> I am not sure about Edge and am probably just as concerned as you are. I am
> also dealing with a disastrous Windows update that has rendered my email and
> word processing nearly impossible to use, though I admit this is not quite
> the same problem of an inaccessible environment for JAWS. All the pointless
> updates and upgrades can really have a negative impact.
>
> Regards,
> Nikki
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Laura Wolk via
> BlindLaw
> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 11:09 AM
> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com>
> Subject: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
>
> [EXTERNAL]
>
> All,
>
> What is the progress with Westlaw making the (very basic) Copy Cite feature
> accessible?  This is on my short list of things that NABL should be bringing
> its clout down , and probably should have years ago.  If I added up all the
> seconds it takes for me to glean this information that sighted people obtain
> with the click of a button...
> I'd be getting a lot more sleep.  Not to mention, Westlaw is used in every
> law school across the country for teaching purposes.  I'm still not really
> sure how it and Lexis have not been the subject of litigation on this point
> by now.
>
> Along that same line, apparently like all other companies westlaw has felt
> the need to update a not broken system to a new product called "Westlaw
> Edge."
> https://legal.thomsonreuters.com/en/insights/articles/announcing-westlaw-edge
>
> I'm sure peoples' firms will be forcibly converted over time to this new
> platform.  Has NFB had any contact with the developpers to ensure that we
> don't have another horror show where these "latest and greatest" features
> are in fact not accessible and result in blind lawyers not being able to do
> their jobs?
>
> Thanks,
> Laura
>
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From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Wed Feb 19 18:03:26 2020
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 11:03:26 -0700
Subject: [blindLaw] FW: [DRBA] Senior Mental Health Attorney Position
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fyi

 

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From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Wed Feb 19 18:21:46 2020
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 11:21:46 -0700
Subject: [blindLaw] ABA Presidential Appointments
Message-ID: <002e01d5e751$72100f40$56302dc0$@labarrelaw.com>

Hello Friends:

 

I wanted to make you aware that it is still possible to apply for an
appointment to an American Bar Association committee, commission, or other
group appointed by the ABA President for the 2020/2021 bar year.  Our
incoming President is Patricia Lee Refo of Arizona and she is emphasizing
diversity of all types in her appointment.  The below memo gives you
information on how to apply.  On the appointments page, you can discover
information about all of the various committees and opportunities.
President Elect Refo appointed me to her Appointments Committee.  So if you
do apply, please let me know.  The deadline is this Friday.

 

Best,

Scott

 

MEMORANDUM

 

To:          ABA House of Delegates 

 

From:     Patricia Lee Refo, President-Elect 

 

cc:          Randall Noel, Chair, Presidential Appointments Committee

               Alfreda Coward, Vice-Chair, Presidential Appointments
Committee

Re:         Presidential Appointments Process 

 

As President-Elect, it is my privilege to fill vacancies on ABA Standing and
Special Committees, Commissions, Working Groups, Task Forces and other ABA
entities for the Association year. To assist our Appointments Committee with
this important process, please recommend candidates for appointment to these
entities.   

 

Recommendations should be made electronically on the ABA website. Please
visit http://ambar.org/appointments for detailed instructions and the
on-line application beginning on December 30, 2019. Recommendations must be
received by February 21, 2020 for consideration. In addition to your
recommendations, we hope that you will encourage any other interested
members to fill out the electronic application on their own behalf.  

 

Thank you in advance for your assistance. The Appointments Committee and I
will give each application thorough consideration, but please understand
that the number of qualified applicants typically far exceeds the number of
open positions. If you would like to discuss this process, please feel free
to contact the Appointments Committee Chair, Randall Noel, at (901)
680-7346, or randy.noel at butlersnow.com; or Vice-Chair, Alfreda Coward, at
(954) 722-0836, or alfredacoward at hotmail.com
<mailto:alfredacoward at hotmail.com> . For questions regarding the on-line
application, please contact Danielle Norwood in the Office of the President
at (312) 988-5122.

 

The Appointments Committee and I look forward to hearing from you and thank
you for your assistance in this important process for our Association.

 


From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Wed Feb 19 18:34:25 2020
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 11:34:25 -0700
Subject: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
In-Reply-To: <80b0c5c1c3734f16af449768eaec406b@CBIvEX03eUS.cov.com>
References: <CAHG6wD4mc6ANY2Z1g8sQzwk6cTOtwuHSorJDRLb+a94cCX_FcA@mail.gmail.com>
	<80b0c5c1c3734f16af449768eaec406b@CBIvEX03eUS.cov.com>
Message-ID: <006801d5e753$36d41c30$a47c5490$@labarrelaw.com>

Hey Everyone, we have had a good relationship with Thomson Reuters and their
West Law group over the years.  I am happy to approach them under the NABL
flag but would like to aggregate issues if I can.  So if there are other
issues besides the copy cite problem, please let me know.  By the way, I
have converted over to Edge and everything I've tried thus far seems to work
well but I am not yet a power user, by any means.

Best,
Scott

slabarre at labarrelaw.com

 

-----Original Message-----
From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Singh, Nandini via
BlindLaw
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 9:25 AM
To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Singh, Nandini <NSingh at cov.com>
Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility

Laura,

I have brought up the copy cite issue each time I call Westlaw about its
performance with JAWS. Whoever is assisting me writes it down for West's
development team, but maybe there is not a critical mass of people
requesting improvement since it has been something I have repeatedly raised.
I am not sure what else could be the hang-up in this regard. There should be
a technological solution other than my having to copy it from the case
frontal matter.

I am not sure about Edge and am probably just as concerned as you are. I am
also dealing with a disastrous Windows update that has rendered my email and
word processing nearly impossible to use, though I admit this is not quite
the same problem of an inaccessible environment for JAWS. All the pointless
updates and upgrades can really have a negative impact.

Regards,
Nikki

-----Original Message-----
From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Laura Wolk via
BlindLaw
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 11:09 AM
To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com>
Subject: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility

[EXTERNAL]

All,

What is the progress with Westlaw making the (very basic) Copy Cite feature
accessible?  This is on my short list of things that NABL should be bringing
its clout down , and probably should have years ago.  If I added up all the
seconds it takes for me to glean this information that sighted people obtain
with the click of a button...
I'd be getting a lot more sleep.  Not to mention, Westlaw is used in every
law school across the country for teaching purposes.  I'm still not really
sure how it and Lexis have not been the subject of litigation on this point
by now.

Along that same line, apparently like all other companies westlaw has felt
the need to update a not broken system to a new product called "Westlaw
Edge."
https://legal.thomsonreuters.com/en/insights/articles/announcing-westlaw-edg
e

I'm sure peoples' firms will be forcibly converted over time to this new
platform.  Has NFB had any contact with the developpers to ensure that we
don't have another horror show where these "latest and greatest" features
are in fact not accessible and result in blind lawyers not being able to do
their jobs?

Thanks,
Laura

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From laura.wolk at gmail.com  Wed Feb 19 19:09:07 2020
From: laura.wolk at gmail.com (Laura Wolk)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 14:09:07 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
In-Reply-To: <006801d5e753$36d41c30$a47c5490$@labarrelaw.com>
References: <CAHG6wD4mc6ANY2Z1g8sQzwk6cTOtwuHSorJDRLb+a94cCX_FcA@mail.gmail.com>
	<80b0c5c1c3734f16af449768eaec406b@CBIvEX03eUS.cov.com>
	<006801d5e753$36d41c30$a47c5490$@labarrelaw.com>
Message-ID: <CAHG6wD7naD58+daAudtTOA7n_XZTqefRkNhQ=KgRqYxp8o-E7w@mail.gmail.com>

I'm so glad to hear about your positive experiences, Scott and James!
We were forcibly upgraded, but I reverted back because I didn't want
to risk it.  James, can you please give step-by-steps on how to use
the copy cite feature on edge?

On 2/19/20, Scott C. LaBarre via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hey Everyone, we have had a good relationship with Thomson Reuters and
> their
> West Law group over the years.  I am happy to approach them under the NABL
> flag but would like to aggregate issues if I can.  So if there are other
> issues besides the copy cite problem, please let me know.  By the way, I
> have converted over to Edge and everything I've tried thus far seems to
> work
> well but I am not yet a power user, by any means.
>
> Best,
> Scott
>
> slabarre at labarrelaw.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Singh, Nandini
> via
> BlindLaw
> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 9:25 AM
> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Singh, Nandini <NSingh at cov.com>
> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
>
> Laura,
>
> I have brought up the copy cite issue each time I call Westlaw about its
> performance with JAWS. Whoever is assisting me writes it down for West's
> development team, but maybe there is not a critical mass of people
> requesting improvement since it has been something I have repeatedly
> raised.
> I am not sure what else could be the hang-up in this regard. There should
> be
> a technological solution other than my having to copy it from the case
> frontal matter.
>
> I am not sure about Edge and am probably just as concerned as you are. I am
> also dealing with a disastrous Windows update that has rendered my email
> and
> word processing nearly impossible to use, though I admit this is not quite
> the same problem of an inaccessible environment for JAWS. All the pointless
> updates and upgrades can really have a negative impact.
>
> Regards,
> Nikki
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Laura Wolk via
> BlindLaw
> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 11:09 AM
> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com>
> Subject: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
>
> [EXTERNAL]
>
> All,
>
> What is the progress with Westlaw making the (very basic) Copy Cite feature
> accessible?  This is on my short list of things that NABL should be
> bringing
> its clout down , and probably should have years ago.  If I added up all the
> seconds it takes for me to glean this information that sighted people
> obtain
> with the click of a button...
> I'd be getting a lot more sleep.  Not to mention, Westlaw is used in every
> law school across the country for teaching purposes.  I'm still not really
> sure how it and Lexis have not been the subject of litigation on this point
> by now.
>
> Along that same line, apparently like all other companies westlaw has felt
> the need to update a not broken system to a new product called "Westlaw
> Edge."
> https://legal.thomsonreuters.com/en/insights/articles/announcing-westlaw-edg
> e
>
> I'm sure peoples' firms will be forcibly converted over time to this new
> platform.  Has NFB had any contact with the developpers to ensure that we
> don't have another horror show where these "latest and greatest" features
> are in fact not accessible and result in blind lawyers not being able to do
> their jobs?
>
> Thanks,
> Laura
>
> _______________________________________________
> BlindLaw mailing list
> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> BlindLaw:
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>
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From BrianUnitt at holsteinlaw.com  Wed Feb 19 19:30:30 2020
From: BrianUnitt at holsteinlaw.com (Brian Unitt)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 19:30:30 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
In-Reply-To: <CAHG6wD7naD58+daAudtTOA7n_XZTqefRkNhQ=KgRqYxp8o-E7w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHG6wD4mc6ANY2Z1g8sQzwk6cTOtwuHSorJDRLb+a94cCX_FcA@mail.gmail.com>
	<80b0c5c1c3734f16af449768eaec406b@CBIvEX03eUS.cov.com>
	<006801d5e753$36d41c30$a47c5490$@labarrelaw.com>
	<CAHG6wD7naD58+daAudtTOA7n_XZTqefRkNhQ=KgRqYxp8o-E7w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <576dfa21bd0f46238bcac8c941f7ce7d@holsteinlaw.com>

Hi Laura,

I have been using Edge for about six months with no problems. (Jaws 020 and Chrome) There is a button labelled "copy document citation to clipboard." Pressing enter brings up a dialog containing several elements. First is a dropdown list of citation formats: standard (Bluebook), Westlaw, and a list of states (I choose California as most of my work is in the California state courts). Next is a checkbox for including a hyperlink (which doesn't seem to work). Next are copy, cancel, and close copy window buttons. When I tab to the copy button in this dialog and press enter, there is a slight lag before hearing a message that says "citation was copied to the clipboard." Other than the hyperlink option, copy citation works well.

There is really not much difference using Edge from the prior version. The overruling risk feature is usable, as is the compare version feature for statutes. If you have someone from Westlaw walk you through those features the first time, I think you will have no problem.

Best,

Brian
Brian C. Unitt
Certified Specialist in Appellate Law
State Bar of California, Board of Legal Specialization

Holstein, Taylor and Unitt
A Professional Corporation
4300 Latham Street, Suite 103
Riverside, CA 92501
P: 951-682-7030
F: 951-684-8061
E: brianunitt at holsteinlaw.com
www.holsteinlaw.com


-----Original Message-----
From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Laura Wolk via BlindLaw
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 11:09 AM
To: slabarre at labarrelaw.com; Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com>
Subject: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility

I'm so glad to hear about your positive experiences, Scott and James!
We were forcibly upgraded, but I reverted back because I didn't want to risk it.  James, can you please give step-by-steps on how to use the copy cite feature on edge?

On 2/19/20, Scott C. LaBarre via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hey Everyone, we have had a good relationship with Thomson Reuters and 
> their West Law group over the years.  I am happy to approach them 
> under the NABL flag but would like to aggregate issues if I can.  So 
> if there are other issues besides the copy cite problem, please let me 
> know.  By the way, I have converted over to Edge and everything I've 
> tried thus far seems to work well but I am not yet a power user, by 
> any means.
>
> Best,
> Scott
>
> slabarre at labarrelaw.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Singh, 
> Nandini via BlindLaw
> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 9:25 AM
> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Singh, Nandini <NSingh at cov.com>
> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
>
> Laura,
>
> I have brought up the copy cite issue each time I call Westlaw about 
> its performance with JAWS. Whoever is assisting me writes it down for 
> West's development team, but maybe there is not a critical mass of 
> people requesting improvement since it has been something I have 
> repeatedly raised.
> I am not sure what else could be the hang-up in this regard. There 
> should be a technological solution other than my having to copy it 
> from the case frontal matter.
>
> I am not sure about Edge and am probably just as concerned as you are. 
> I am also dealing with a disastrous Windows update that has rendered 
> my email and word processing nearly impossible to use, though I admit 
> this is not quite the same problem of an inaccessible environment for 
> JAWS. All the pointless updates and upgrades can really have a 
> negative impact.
>
> Regards,
> Nikki
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Laura Wolk 
> via BlindLaw
> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 11:09 AM
> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com>
> Subject: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
>
> [EXTERNAL]
>
> All,
>
> What is the progress with Westlaw making the (very basic) Copy Cite 
> feature accessible?  This is on my short list of things that NABL 
> should be bringing its clout down , and probably should have years 
> ago.  If I added up all the seconds it takes for me to glean this 
> information that sighted people obtain with the click of a button...
> I'd be getting a lot more sleep.  Not to mention, Westlaw is used in 
> every law school across the country for teaching purposes.  I'm still 
> not really sure how it and Lexis have not been the subject of 
> litigation on this point by now.
>
> Along that same line, apparently like all other companies westlaw has 
> felt the need to update a not broken system to a new product called 
> "Westlaw Edge."
> https://legal.thomsonreuters.com/en/insights/articles/announcing-westl
> aw-edg
> e
>
> I'm sure peoples' firms will be forcibly converted over time to this 
> new platform.  Has NFB had any contact with the developpers to ensure 
> that we don't have another horror show where these "latest and 
> greatest" features are in fact not accessible and result in blind 
> lawyers not being able to do their jobs?
>
> Thanks,
> Laura
>
> _______________________________________________
> BlindLaw mailing list
> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
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From laura.wolk at gmail.com  Wed Feb 19 20:29:22 2020
From: laura.wolk at gmail.com (Laura Wolk)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 15:29:22 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
In-Reply-To: <576dfa21bd0f46238bcac8c941f7ce7d@holsteinlaw.com>
References: <CAHG6wD4mc6ANY2Z1g8sQzwk6cTOtwuHSorJDRLb+a94cCX_FcA@mail.gmail.com>
	<80b0c5c1c3734f16af449768eaec406b@CBIvEX03eUS.cov.com>
	<006801d5e753$36d41c30$a47c5490$@labarrelaw.com>
	<CAHG6wD7naD58+daAudtTOA7n_XZTqefRkNhQ=KgRqYxp8o-E7w@mail.gmail.com>
	<576dfa21bd0f46238bcac8c941f7ce7d@holsteinlaw.com>
Message-ID: <CAHG6wD72QHRTdFATxtksDg6Q=j_WePVvawC=5DVz2KFRUM1PJw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Brian,

To make sure we're talking about the same thing, I'm talking about the
feature where you can highlight a sentence in a case, and then copy
that sentence along with the citation, including the pin cite.  Is
that what you're talking about?

On 2/19/20, Brian Unitt via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Laura,
>
> I have been using Edge for about six months with no problems. (Jaws 020 and
> Chrome) There is a button labelled "copy document citation to clipboard."
> Pressing enter brings up a dialog containing several elements. First is a
> dropdown list of citation formats: standard (Bluebook), Westlaw, and a list
> of states (I choose California as most of my work is in the California state
> courts). Next is a checkbox for including a hyperlink (which doesn't seem to
> work). Next are copy, cancel, and close copy window buttons. When I tab to
> the copy button in this dialog and press enter, there is a slight lag before
> hearing a message that says "citation was copied to the clipboard." Other
> than the hyperlink option, copy citation works well.
>
> There is really not much difference using Edge from the prior version. The
> overruling risk feature is usable, as is the compare version feature for
> statutes. If you have someone from Westlaw walk you through those features
> the first time, I think you will have no problem.
>
> Best,
>
> Brian
> Brian C. Unitt
> Certified Specialist in Appellate Law
> State Bar of California, Board of Legal Specialization
>
> Holstein, Taylor and Unitt
> A Professional Corporation
> 4300 Latham Street, Suite 103
> Riverside, CA 92501
> P: 951-682-7030
> F: 951-684-8061
> E: brianunitt at holsteinlaw.com
> www.holsteinlaw.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Laura Wolk via
> BlindLaw
> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 11:09 AM
> To: slabarre at labarrelaw.com; Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com>
> Subject: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
>
> I'm so glad to hear about your positive experiences, Scott and James!
> We were forcibly upgraded, but I reverted back because I didn't want to risk
> it.  James, can you please give step-by-steps on how to use the copy cite
> feature on edge?
>
> On 2/19/20, Scott C. LaBarre via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hey Everyone, we have had a good relationship with Thomson Reuters and
>> their West Law group over the years.  I am happy to approach them
>> under the NABL flag but would like to aggregate issues if I can.  So
>> if there are other issues besides the copy cite problem, please let me
>> know.  By the way, I have converted over to Edge and everything I've
>> tried thus far seems to work well but I am not yet a power user, by
>> any means.
>>
>> Best,
>> Scott
>>
>> slabarre at labarrelaw.com
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Singh,
>> Nandini via BlindLaw
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 9:25 AM
>> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Singh, Nandini <NSingh at cov.com>
>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
>>
>> Laura,
>>
>> I have brought up the copy cite issue each time I call Westlaw about
>> its performance with JAWS. Whoever is assisting me writes it down for
>> West's development team, but maybe there is not a critical mass of
>> people requesting improvement since it has been something I have
>> repeatedly raised.
>> I am not sure what else could be the hang-up in this regard. There
>> should be a technological solution other than my having to copy it
>> from the case frontal matter.
>>
>> I am not sure about Edge and am probably just as concerned as you are.
>> I am also dealing with a disastrous Windows update that has rendered
>> my email and word processing nearly impossible to use, though I admit
>> this is not quite the same problem of an inaccessible environment for
>> JAWS. All the pointless updates and upgrades can really have a
>> negative impact.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Nikki
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Laura Wolk
>> via BlindLaw
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 11:09 AM
>> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
>>
>> [EXTERNAL]
>>
>> All,
>>
>> What is the progress with Westlaw making the (very basic) Copy Cite
>> feature accessible?  This is on my short list of things that NABL
>> should be bringing its clout down , and probably should have years
>> ago.  If I added up all the seconds it takes for me to glean this
>> information that sighted people obtain with the click of a button...
>> I'd be getting a lot more sleep.  Not to mention, Westlaw is used in
>> every law school across the country for teaching purposes.  I'm still
>> not really sure how it and Lexis have not been the subject of
>> litigation on this point by now.
>>
>> Along that same line, apparently like all other companies westlaw has
>> felt the need to update a not broken system to a new product called
>> "Westlaw Edge."
>> https://legal.thomsonreuters.com/en/insights/articles/announcing-westl
>> aw-edg
>> e
>>
>> I'm sure peoples' firms will be forcibly converted over time to this
>> new platform.  Has NFB had any contact with the developpers to ensure
>> that we don't have another horror show where these "latest and
>> greatest" features are in fact not accessible and result in blind
>> lawyers not being able to do their jobs?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Laura
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> BlindLaw mailing list
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From jtfetter at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 19 21:47:26 2020
From: jtfetter at yahoo.com (James Fetter)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 16:47:26 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
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Alas no. As far as I know, that feature is not accessible--or if it is, 
I certainly don't know how to use it. All I can do is copy the full case 
cite with or without a hyperlink, depending on whether I select that 
option. One advantage of Edge, however, is that you can go directly to a 
specific page of a case without having to keep searching on *. This is 
great when Jaws loses its place, which happens all too frequently.


On 2/19/2020 3:29 PM, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw wrote:
> Hi Brian,
>
> To make sure we're talking about the same thing, I'm talking about the
> feature where you can highlight a sentence in a case, and then copy
> that sentence along with the citation, including the pin cite.  Is
> that what you're talking about?
>
> On 2/19/20, Brian Unitt via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi Laura,
>>
>> I have been using Edge for about six months with no problems. (Jaws 020 and
>> Chrome) There is a button labelled "copy document citation to clipboard."
>> Pressing enter brings up a dialog containing several elements. First is a
>> dropdown list of citation formats: standard (Bluebook), Westlaw, and a list
>> of states (I choose California as most of my work is in the California state
>> courts). Next is a checkbox for including a hyperlink (which doesn't seem to
>> work). Next are copy, cancel, and close copy window buttons. When I tab to
>> the copy button in this dialog and press enter, there is a slight lag before
>> hearing a message that says "citation was copied to the clipboard." Other
>> than the hyperlink option, copy citation works well.
>>
>> There is really not much difference using Edge from the prior version. The
>> overruling risk feature is usable, as is the compare version feature for
>> statutes. If you have someone from Westlaw walk you through those features
>> the first time, I think you will have no problem.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Brian
>> Brian C. Unitt
>> Certified Specialist in Appellate Law
>> State Bar of California, Board of Legal Specialization
>>
>> Holstein, Taylor and Unitt
>> A Professional Corporation
>> 4300 Latham Street, Suite 103
>> Riverside, CA 92501
>> P: 951-682-7030
>> F: 951-684-8061
>> E: brianunitt at holsteinlaw.com
>> www.holsteinlaw.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Laura Wolk via
>> BlindLaw
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 11:09 AM
>> To: slabarre at labarrelaw.com; Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
>>
>> I'm so glad to hear about your positive experiences, Scott and James!
>> We were forcibly upgraded, but I reverted back because I didn't want to risk
>> it.  James, can you please give step-by-steps on how to use the copy cite
>> feature on edge?
>>
>> On 2/19/20, Scott C. LaBarre via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hey Everyone, we have had a good relationship with Thomson Reuters and
>>> their West Law group over the years.  I am happy to approach them
>>> under the NABL flag but would like to aggregate issues if I can.  So
>>> if there are other issues besides the copy cite problem, please let me
>>> know.  By the way, I have converted over to Edge and everything I've
>>> tried thus far seems to work well but I am not yet a power user, by
>>> any means.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> slabarre at labarrelaw.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Singh,
>>> Nandini via BlindLaw
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 9:25 AM
>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Singh, Nandini <NSingh at cov.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
>>>
>>> Laura,
>>>
>>> I have brought up the copy cite issue each time I call Westlaw about
>>> its performance with JAWS. Whoever is assisting me writes it down for
>>> West's development team, but maybe there is not a critical mass of
>>> people requesting improvement since it has been something I have
>>> repeatedly raised.
>>> I am not sure what else could be the hang-up in this regard. There
>>> should be a technological solution other than my having to copy it
>>> from the case frontal matter.
>>>
>>> I am not sure about Edge and am probably just as concerned as you are.
>>> I am also dealing with a disastrous Windows update that has rendered
>>> my email and word processing nearly impossible to use, though I admit
>>> this is not quite the same problem of an inaccessible environment for
>>> JAWS. All the pointless updates and upgrades can really have a
>>> negative impact.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Nikki
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Laura Wolk
>>> via BlindLaw
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 11:09 AM
>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
>>>
>>> [EXTERNAL]
>>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> What is the progress with Westlaw making the (very basic) Copy Cite
>>> feature accessible?  This is on my short list of things that NABL
>>> should be bringing its clout down , and probably should have years
>>> ago.  If I added up all the seconds it takes for me to glean this
>>> information that sighted people obtain with the click of a button...
>>> I'd be getting a lot more sleep.  Not to mention, Westlaw is used in
>>> every law school across the country for teaching purposes.  I'm still
>>> not really sure how it and Lexis have not been the subject of
>>> litigation on this point by now.
>>>
>>> Along that same line, apparently like all other companies westlaw has
>>> felt the need to update a not broken system to a new product called
>>> "Westlaw Edge."
>>> https://legal.thomsonreuters.com/en/insights/articles/announcing-westl
>>> aw-edg
>>> e
>>>
>>> I'm sure peoples' firms will be forcibly converted over time to this
>>> new platform.  Has NFB had any contact with the developpers to ensure
>>> that we don't have another horror show where these "latest and
>>> greatest" features are in fact not accessible and result in blind
>>> lawyers not being able to do their jobs?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Laura
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> BlindLaw mailing list
>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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From laura.wolk at gmail.com  Wed Feb 19 22:19:19 2020
From: laura.wolk at gmail.com (Laura Wolk)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 17:19:19 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
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Yeah, minds blown, right?  If you highlight text w/ the mouse, a
little box (I think) pops up that says "copy with reference."  If you
hit that, then when you paste the text, the cite, including the
pincite, gets pasted next to the text.  I'd rather have access to
basic tools like that than fancy flow charts.

Laura

On 2/19/20, James Fetter via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Alas no. As far as I know, that feature is not accessible--or if it is,
> I certainly don't know how to use it. All I can do is copy the full case
> cite with or without a hyperlink, depending on whether I select that
> option. One advantage of Edge, however, is that you can go directly to a
> specific page of a case without having to keep searching on *. This is
> great when Jaws loses its place, which happens all too frequently.
>
>
> On 2/19/2020 3:29 PM, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw wrote:
>> Hi Brian,
>>
>> To make sure we're talking about the same thing, I'm talking about the
>> feature where you can highlight a sentence in a case, and then copy
>> that sentence along with the citation, including the pin cite.  Is
>> that what you're talking about?
>>
>> On 2/19/20, Brian Unitt via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi Laura,
>>>
>>> I have been using Edge for about six months with no problems. (Jaws 020
>>> and
>>> Chrome) There is a button labelled "copy document citation to
>>> clipboard."
>>> Pressing enter brings up a dialog containing several elements. First is
>>> a
>>> dropdown list of citation formats: standard (Bluebook), Westlaw, and a
>>> list
>>> of states (I choose California as most of my work is in the California
>>> state
>>> courts). Next is a checkbox for including a hyperlink (which doesn't seem
>>> to
>>> work). Next are copy, cancel, and close copy window buttons. When I tab
>>> to
>>> the copy button in this dialog and press enter, there is a slight lag
>>> before
>>> hearing a message that says "citation was copied to the clipboard."
>>> Other
>>> than the hyperlink option, copy citation works well.
>>>
>>> There is really not much difference using Edge from the prior version.
>>> The
>>> overruling risk feature is usable, as is the compare version feature for
>>> statutes. If you have someone from Westlaw walk you through those
>>> features
>>> the first time, I think you will have no problem.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Brian
>>> Brian C. Unitt
>>> Certified Specialist in Appellate Law
>>> State Bar of California, Board of Legal Specialization
>>>
>>> Holstein, Taylor and Unitt
>>> A Professional Corporation
>>> 4300 Latham Street, Suite 103
>>> Riverside, CA 92501
>>> P: 951-682-7030
>>> F: 951-684-8061
>>> E: brianunitt at holsteinlaw.com
>>> www.holsteinlaw.com
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Laura Wolk via
>>> BlindLaw
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 11:09 AM
>>> To: slabarre at labarrelaw.com; Blind Law Mailing List
>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
>>>
>>> I'm so glad to hear about your positive experiences, Scott and James!
>>> We were forcibly upgraded, but I reverted back because I didn't want to
>>> risk
>>> it.  James, can you please give step-by-steps on how to use the copy
>>> cite
>>> feature on edge?
>>>
>>> On 2/19/20, Scott C. LaBarre via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Hey Everyone, we have had a good relationship with Thomson Reuters and
>>>> their West Law group over the years.  I am happy to approach them
>>>> under the NABL flag but would like to aggregate issues if I can.  So
>>>> if there are other issues besides the copy cite problem, please let me
>>>> know.  By the way, I have converted over to Edge and everything I've
>>>> tried thus far seems to work well but I am not yet a power user, by
>>>> any means.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Scott
>>>>
>>>> slabarre at labarrelaw.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Singh,
>>>> Nandini via BlindLaw
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 9:25 AM
>>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Singh, Nandini <NSingh at cov.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
>>>>
>>>> Laura,
>>>>
>>>> I have brought up the copy cite issue each time I call Westlaw about
>>>> its performance with JAWS. Whoever is assisting me writes it down for
>>>> West's development team, but maybe there is not a critical mass of
>>>> people requesting improvement since it has been something I have
>>>> repeatedly raised.
>>>> I am not sure what else could be the hang-up in this regard. There
>>>> should be a technological solution other than my having to copy it
>>>> from the case frontal matter.
>>>>
>>>> I am not sure about Edge and am probably just as concerned as you are.
>>>> I am also dealing with a disastrous Windows update that has rendered
>>>> my email and word processing nearly impossible to use, though I admit
>>>> this is not quite the same problem of an inaccessible environment for
>>>> JAWS. All the pointless updates and upgrades can really have a
>>>> negative impact.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Nikki
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Laura Wolk
>>>> via BlindLaw
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 11:09 AM
>>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
>>>>
>>>> [EXTERNAL]
>>>>
>>>> All,
>>>>
>>>> What is the progress with Westlaw making the (very basic) Copy Cite
>>>> feature accessible?  This is on my short list of things that NABL
>>>> should be bringing its clout down , and probably should have years
>>>> ago.  If I added up all the seconds it takes for me to glean this
>>>> information that sighted people obtain with the click of a button...
>>>> I'd be getting a lot more sleep.  Not to mention, Westlaw is used in
>>>> every law school across the country for teaching purposes.  I'm still
>>>> not really sure how it and Lexis have not been the subject of
>>>> litigation on this point by now.
>>>>
>>>> Along that same line, apparently like all other companies westlaw has
>>>> felt the need to update a not broken system to a new product called
>>>> "Westlaw Edge."
>>>> https://legal.thomsonreuters.com/en/insights/articles/announcing-westl
>>>> aw-edg
>>>> e
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure peoples' firms will be forcibly converted over time to this
>>>> new platform.  Has NFB had any contact with the developpers to ensure
>>>> that we don't have another horror show where these "latest and
>>>> greatest" features are in fact not accessible and result in blind
>>>> lawyers not being able to do their jobs?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Laura
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> BlindLaw mailing list
>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> BlindLaw:
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>>>>
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From captinlogic at gmail.com  Wed Feb 19 22:21:30 2020
From: captinlogic at gmail.com (Rob)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 16:21:30 -0600
Subject: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
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Message-ID: <20200219.222130.242.48@[192.168.1.118]>

What happens if you try this trick with NVDA?

----- Original Message -----
From: Laura Wolk via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 17:19:19 -0500
Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility

> Yeah, minds blown, right?  If you highlight text w/ the mouse, a
> little box (I think) pops up that says "copy with reference."  If you
> hit that, then when you paste the text, the cite, including the
> pincite, gets pasted next to the text.  I'd rather have access to
> basic tools like that than fancy flow charts.
> 
> Laura
> 
> On 2/19/20, James Fetter via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > Alas no. As far as I know, that feature is not accessible--or if it is,
> > I certainly don't know how to use it. All I can do is copy the full case
> > cite with or without a hyperlink, depending on whether I select that
> > option. One advantage of Edge, however, is that you can go directly to a
> > specific page of a case without having to keep searching on *. This is
> > great when Jaws loses its place, which happens all too frequently.
> >
> >
> > On 2/19/2020 3:29 PM, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw wrote:
> >> Hi Brian,
> >>
> >> To make sure we're talking about the same thing, I'm talking about the
> >> feature where you can highlight a sentence in a case, and then copy
> >> that sentence along with the citation, including the pin cite.  Is
> >> that what you're talking about?
> >>
> >> On 2/19/20, Brian Unitt via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>> Hi Laura,
> >>>
> >>> I have been using Edge for about six months with no problems. (Jaws 020
> >>> and
> >>> Chrome) There is a button labelled "copy document citation to
> >>> clipboard."
> >>> Pressing enter brings up a dialog containing several elements. First is
> >>> a
> >>> dropdown list of citation formats: standard (Bluebook), Westlaw, and a
> >>> list
> >>> of states (I choose California as most of my work is in the California
> >>> state
> >>> courts). Next is a checkbox for including a hyperlink (which doesn't seem
> >>> to
> >>> work). Next are copy, cancel, and close copy window buttons. When I tab
> >>> to
> >>> the copy button in this dialog and press enter, there is a slight lag
> >>> before
> >>> hearing a message that says "citation was copied to the clipboard."
> >>> Other
> >>> than the hyperlink option, copy citation works well.
> >>>
> >>> There is really not much difference using Edge from the prior version.
> >>> The
> >>> overruling risk feature is usable, as is the compare version feature for
> >>> statutes. If you have someone from Westlaw walk you through those
> >>> features
> >>> the first time, I think you will have no problem.
> >>>
> >>> Best,
> >>>
> >>> Brian
> >>> Brian C. Unitt
> >>> Certified Specialist in Appellate Law
> >>> State Bar of California, Board of Legal Specialization
> >>>
> >>> Holstein, Taylor and Unitt
> >>> A Professional Corporation
> >>> 4300 Latham Street, Suite 103
> >>> Riverside, CA 92501
> >>> P: 951-682-7030
> >>> F: 951-684-8061
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> >>> www.holsteinlaw.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Laura Wolk via
> >>> BlindLaw
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 11:09 AM
> >>> To: slabarre at labarrelaw.com; Blind Law Mailing List
> >>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Cc: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com>
> >>> Subject: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
> >>>
> >>> I'm so glad to hear about your positive experiences, Scott and James!
> >>> We were forcibly upgraded, but I reverted back because I didn't want to
> >>> risk
> >>> it.  James, can you please give step-by-steps on how to use the copy
> >>> cite
> >>> feature on edge?
> >>>
> >>> On 2/19/20, Scott C. LaBarre via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>> Hey Everyone, we have had a good relationship with Thomson Reuters and
> >>>> their West Law group over the years.  I am happy to approach them
> >>>> under the NABL flag but would like to aggregate issues if I can.  So
> >>>> if there are other issues besides the copy cite problem, please let me
> >>>> know.  By the way, I have converted over to Edge and everything I've
> >>>> tried thus far seems to work well but I am not yet a power user, by
> >>>> any means.
> >>>>
> >>>> Best,
> >>>> Scott
> >>>>
> >>>> slabarre at labarrelaw.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Singh,
> >>>> Nandini via BlindLaw
> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 9:25 AM
> >>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> Cc: Singh, Nandini <NSingh at cov.com>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
> >>>>
> >>>> Laura,
> >>>>
> >>>> I have brought up the copy cite issue each time I call Westlaw about
> >>>> its performance with JAWS. Whoever is assisting me writes it down for
> >>>> West's development team, but maybe there is not a critical mass of
> >>>> people requesting improvement since it has been something I have
> >>>> repeatedly raised.
> >>>> I am not sure what else could be the hang-up in this regard. There
> >>>> should be a technological solution other than my having to copy it
> >>>> from the case frontal matter.
> >>>>
> >>>> I am not sure about Edge and am probably just as concerned as you are.
> >>>> I am also dealing with a disastrous Windows update that has rendered
> >>>> my email and word processing nearly impossible to use, though I admit
> >>>> this is not quite the same problem of an inaccessible environment for
> >>>> JAWS. All the pointless updates and upgrades can really have a
> >>>> negative impact.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>> Nikki
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Laura Wolk
> >>>> via BlindLaw
> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 11:09 AM
> >>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> Cc: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com>
> >>>> Subject: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
> >>>>
> >>>> [EXTERNAL]
> >>>>
> >>>> All,
> >>>>
> >>>> What is the progress with Westlaw making the (very basic) Copy Cite
> >>>> feature accessible?  This is on my short list of things that NABL
> >>>> should be bringing its clout down , and probably should have years
> >>>> ago.  If I added up all the seconds it takes for me to glean this
> >>>> information that sighted people obtain with the click of a button...
> >>>> I'd be getting a lot more sleep.  Not to mention, Westlaw is used in
> >>>> every law school across the country for teaching purposes.  I'm still
> >>>> not really sure how it and Lexis have not been the subject of
> >>>> litigation on this point by now.
> >>>>
> >>>> Along that same line, apparently like all other companies westlaw has
> >>>> felt the need to update a not broken system to a new product called
> >>>> "Westlaw Edge."
> >>>> https://legal.thomsonreuters.com/en/insights/articles/announcing-westl
> >>>> aw-edg
> >>>> e
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm sure peoples' firms will be forcibly converted over time to this
> >>>> new platform.  Has NFB had any contact with the developpers to ensure
> >>>> that we don't have another horror show where these "latest and
> >>>> greatest" features are in fact not accessible and result in blind
> >>>> lawyers not being able to do their jobs?
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> Laura
> >>>>
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From amatney at loeb.com  Wed Feb 19 22:48:40 2020
From: amatney at loeb.com (Angela Matney)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 22:48:40 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
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I really don’t do research so much these days, but back when I first started practicing, the ability to copy text and the pincite seemed like a superpower to me. Which … also shows that the issue is a long-standing one, as I’ve been practicing for ten years.

Angie



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From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Laura Wolk via BlindLaw
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 5:19 PM
To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility



Yeah, minds blown, right? If you highlight text w/ the mouse, a
little box (I think) pops up that says "copy with reference." If you
hit that, then when you paste the text, the cite, including the
pincite, gets pasted next to the text. I'd rather have access to
basic tools like that than fancy flow charts.

Laura

On 2/19/20, James Fetter via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
> Alas no. As far as I know, that feature is not accessible--or if it is,
> I certainly don't know how to use it. All I can do is copy the full case
> cite with or without a hyperlink, depending on whether I select that
> option. One advantage of Edge, however, is that you can go directly to a
> specific page of a case without having to keep searching on *. This is
> great when Jaws loses its place, which happens all too frequently.
>
>
> On 2/19/2020 3:29 PM, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw wrote:
>> Hi Brian,
>>
>> To make sure we're talking about the same thing, I'm talking about the
>> feature where you can highlight a sentence in a case, and then copy
>> that sentence along with the citation, including the pin cite. Is
>> that what you're talking about?
>>
>> On 2/19/20, Brian Unitt via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>> Hi Laura,
>>>
>>> I have been using Edge for about six months with no problems. (Jaws 020
>>> and
>>> Chrome) There is a button labelled "copy document citation to
>>> clipboard."
>>> Pressing enter brings up a dialog containing several elements. First is
>>> a
>>> dropdown list of citation formats: standard (Bluebook), Westlaw, and a
>>> list
>>> of states (I choose California as most of my work is in the California
>>> state
>>> courts). Next is a checkbox for including a hyperlink (which doesn't seem
>>> to
>>> work). Next are copy, cancel, and close copy window buttons. When I tab
>>> to
>>> the copy button in this dialog and press enter, there is a slight lag
>>> before
>>> hearing a message that says "citation was copied to the clipboard."
>>> Other
>>> than the hyperlink option, copy citation works well.
>>>
>>> There is really not much difference using Edge from the prior version.
>>> The
>>> overruling risk feature is usable, as is the compare version feature for
>>> statutes. If you have someone from Westlaw walk you through those
>>> features
>>> the first time, I think you will have no problem.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Brian
>>> Brian C. Unitt
>>> Certified Specialist in Appellate Law
>>> State Bar of California, Board of Legal Specialization
>>>
>>> Holstein, Taylor and Unitt
>>> A Professional Corporation
>>> 4300 Latham Street, Suite 103
>>> Riverside, CA 92501
>>> P: 951-682-7030
>>> F: 951-684-8061
>>> E: brianunitt at holsteinlaw.com<mailto:brianunitt at holsteinlaw.com>
>>> www.holsteinlaw.com<http://www.holsteinlaw.com>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org>> On Behalf Of Laura Wolk via
>>> BlindLaw
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 11:09 AM
>>> To: slabarre at labarrelaw.com<mailto:slabarre at labarrelaw.com>; Blind Law Mailing List
>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>
>>> Cc: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com<mailto:laura.wolk at gmail.com>>
>>> Subject: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
>>>
>>> I'm so glad to hear about your positive experiences, Scott and James!
>>> We were forcibly upgraded, but I reverted back because I didn't want to
>>> risk
>>> it. James, can you please give step-by-steps on how to use the copy
>>> cite
>>> feature on edge?
>>>
>>> On 2/19/20, Scott C. LaBarre via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>>> Hey Everyone, we have had a good relationship with Thomson Reuters and
>>>> their West Law group over the years. I am happy to approach them
>>>> under the NABL flag but would like to aggregate issues if I can. So
>>>> if there are other issues besides the copy cite problem, please let me
>>>> know. By the way, I have converted over to Edge and everything I've
>>>> tried thus far seems to work well but I am not yet a power user, by
>>>> any means.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Scott
>>>>
>>>> slabarre at labarrelaw.com<mailto:slabarre at labarrelaw.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org>> On Behalf Of Singh,
>>>> Nandini via BlindLaw
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 9:25 AM
>>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>
>>>> Cc: Singh, Nandini <NSingh at cov.com<mailto:NSingh at cov.com>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
>>>>
>>>> Laura,
>>>>
>>>> I have brought up the copy cite issue each time I call Westlaw about
>>>> its performance with JAWS. Whoever is assisting me writes it down for
>>>> West's development team, but maybe there is not a critical mass of
>>>> people requesting improvement since it has been something I have
>>>> repeatedly raised.
>>>> I am not sure what else could be the hang-up in this regard. There
>>>> should be a technological solution other than my having to copy it
>>>> from the case frontal matter.
>>>>
>>>> I am not sure about Edge and am probably just as concerned as you are.
>>>> I am also dealing with a disastrous Windows update that has rendered
>>>> my email and word processing nearly impossible to use, though I admit
>>>> this is not quite the same problem of an inaccessible environment for
>>>> JAWS. All the pointless updates and upgrades can really have a
>>>> negative impact.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Nikki
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org>> On Behalf Of Laura Wolk
>>>> via BlindLaw
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 11:09 AM
>>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>
>>>> Cc: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com<mailto:laura.wolk at gmail.com>>
>>>> Subject: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
>>>>
>>>> [EXTERNAL]
>>>>
>>>> All,
>>>>
>>>> What is the progress with Westlaw making the (very basic) Copy Cite
>>>> feature accessible? This is on my short list of things that NABL
>>>> should be bringing its clout down , and probably should have years
>>>> ago. If I added up all the seconds it takes for me to glean this
>>>> information that sighted people obtain with the click of a button...
>>>> I'd be getting a lot more sleep. Not to mention, Westlaw is used in
>>>> every law school across the country for teaching purposes. I'm still
>>>> not really sure how it and Lexis have not been the subject of
>>>> litigation on this point by now.
>>>>
>>>> Along that same line, apparently like all other companies westlaw has
>>>> felt the need to update a not broken system to a new product called
>>>> "Westlaw Edge."
>>>> https://legal.thomsonreuters.com/en/insights/articles/announcing-westl
>>>> aw-edg
>>>> e
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure peoples' firms will be forcibly converted over time to this
>>>> new platform. Has NFB had any contact with the developpers to ensure
>>>> that we don't have another horror show where these "latest and
>>>> greatest" features are in fact not accessible and result in blind
>>>> lawyers not being able to do their jobs?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Laura
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> BlindLaw mailing list
>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:BlindLaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> BlindLaw:
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From tim at timeldermusic.com  Thu Feb 20 15:08:08 2020
From: tim at timeldermusic.com (tim at timeldermusic.com)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2020 07:08:08 -0800
Subject: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
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My recall is that there is a way to do it even in the old version of Westlaw.  I did not find it very efficient or reliable as compared to manually copying the text, case name and page number.  It requires some gymnastics with multiple JAWS cursors.  You must leave the text of the case highlighted and change focus to do a simulated mouse click on the copy citation button without disturbing the highlighted text.  Using the virtual cursor alone to navigate to the button will remove the highlight when you try to navigate away.  

I'll also make a plug for Casetext.  They aren't perfectly accessible yet.  They are, however, in a good position to take major market shares from the traditional providers.  

-----Original Message-----
From: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 12:29 PM
To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility

Hi Brian,

To make sure we're talking about the same thing, I'm talking about the feature where you can highlight a sentence in a case, and then copy that sentence along with the citation, including the pin cite.  Is that what you're talking about?

On 2/19/20, Brian Unitt via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Laura,
>
> I have been using Edge for about six months with no problems. (Jaws 
> 020 and
> Chrome) There is a button labelled "copy document citation to clipboard."
> Pressing enter brings up a dialog containing several elements. First 
> is a dropdown list of citation formats: standard (Bluebook), Westlaw, 
> and a list of states (I choose California as most of my work is in the 
> California state courts). Next is a checkbox for including a hyperlink 
> (which doesn't seem to work). Next are copy, cancel, and close copy 
> window buttons. When I tab to the copy button in this dialog and press 
> enter, there is a slight lag before hearing a message that says 
> "citation was copied to the clipboard." Other than the hyperlink option, copy citation works well.
>
> There is really not much difference using Edge from the prior version. 
> The overruling risk feature is usable, as is the compare version 
> feature for statutes. If you have someone from Westlaw walk you 
> through those features the first time, I think you will have no problem.
>
> Best,
>
> Brian
> Brian C. Unitt
> Certified Specialist in Appellate Law
> State Bar of California, Board of Legal Specialization
>
> Holstein, Taylor and Unitt
> A Professional Corporation
> 4300 Latham Street, Suite 103
> Riverside, CA 92501
> P: 951-682-7030
> F: 951-684-8061
> E: brianunitt at holsteinlaw.com
> www.holsteinlaw.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Laura Wolk 
> via BlindLaw
> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 11:09 AM
> To: slabarre at labarrelaw.com; Blind Law Mailing List 
> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com>
> Subject: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
>
> I'm so glad to hear about your positive experiences, Scott and James!
> We were forcibly upgraded, but I reverted back because I didn't want 
> to risk it.  James, can you please give step-by-steps on how to use 
> the copy cite feature on edge?
>
> On 2/19/20, Scott C. LaBarre via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hey Everyone, we have had a good relationship with Thomson Reuters 
>> and their West Law group over the years.  I am happy to approach them 
>> under the NABL flag but would like to aggregate issues if I can.  So 
>> if there are other issues besides the copy cite problem, please let 
>> me know.  By the way, I have converted over to Edge and everything 
>> I've tried thus far seems to work well but I am not yet a power user, 
>> by any means.
>>
>> Best,
>> Scott
>>
>> slabarre at labarrelaw.com
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Singh, 
>> Nandini via BlindLaw
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 9:25 AM
>> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Singh, Nandini <NSingh at cov.com>
>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
>>
>> Laura,
>>
>> I have brought up the copy cite issue each time I call Westlaw about 
>> its performance with JAWS. Whoever is assisting me writes it down for 
>> West's development team, but maybe there is not a critical mass of 
>> people requesting improvement since it has been something I have 
>> repeatedly raised.
>> I am not sure what else could be the hang-up in this regard. There 
>> should be a technological solution other than my having to copy it 
>> from the case frontal matter.
>>
>> I am not sure about Edge and am probably just as concerned as you are.
>> I am also dealing with a disastrous Windows update that has rendered 
>> my email and word processing nearly impossible to use, though I admit 
>> this is not quite the same problem of an inaccessible environment for 
>> JAWS. All the pointless updates and upgrades can really have a 
>> negative impact.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Nikki
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Laura Wolk 
>> via BlindLaw
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 11:09 AM
>> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
>>
>> [EXTERNAL]
>>
>> All,
>>
>> What is the progress with Westlaw making the (very basic) Copy Cite 
>> feature accessible?  This is on my short list of things that NABL 
>> should be bringing its clout down , and probably should have years 
>> ago.  If I added up all the seconds it takes for me to glean this 
>> information that sighted people obtain with the click of a button...
>> I'd be getting a lot more sleep.  Not to mention, Westlaw is used in 
>> every law school across the country for teaching purposes.  I'm still 
>> not really sure how it and Lexis have not been the subject of 
>> litigation on this point by now.
>>
>> Along that same line, apparently like all other companies westlaw has 
>> felt the need to update a not broken system to a new product called 
>> "Westlaw Edge."
>> https://legal.thomsonreuters.com/en/insights/articles/announcing-west
>> l
>> aw-edg
>> e
>>
>> I'm sure peoples' firms will be forcibly converted over time to this 
>> new platform.  Has NFB had any contact with the developpers to ensure 
>> that we don't have another horror show where these "latest and 
>> greatest" features are in fact not accessible and result in blind 
>> lawyers not being able to do their jobs?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Laura
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> BlindLaw mailing list
>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> BlindLaw:
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>> m
>>
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From sanho817 at gmail.com  Thu Feb 20 15:19:32 2020
From: sanho817 at gmail.com (Sanho Steele-Louchart)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2020 09:19:32 -0600
Subject: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
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All,

Is there a good resource for learning the most advanced functions of
JAWS? Many of you have some serious JAWS-jitsu.

Sanho


On 2/20/20, Tim Elder via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> My recall is that there is a way to do it even in the old version of
> Westlaw.  I did not find it very efficient or reliable as compared to
> manually copying the text, case name and page number.  It requires some
> gymnastics with multiple JAWS cursors.  You must leave the text of the case
> highlighted and change focus to do a simulated mouse click on the copy
> citation button without disturbing the highlighted text.  Using the virtual
> cursor alone to navigate to the button will remove the highlight when you
> try to navigate away.
>
> I'll also make a plug for Casetext.  They aren't perfectly accessible yet.
> They are, however, in a good position to take major market shares from the
> traditional providers.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 12:29 PM
> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
>
> Hi Brian,
>
> To make sure we're talking about the same thing, I'm talking about the
> feature where you can highlight a sentence in a case, and then copy that
> sentence along with the citation, including the pin cite.  Is that what
> you're talking about?
>
> On 2/19/20, Brian Unitt via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi Laura,
>>
>> I have been using Edge for about six months with no problems. (Jaws
>> 020 and
>> Chrome) There is a button labelled "copy document citation to clipboard."
>> Pressing enter brings up a dialog containing several elements. First
>> is a dropdown list of citation formats: standard (Bluebook), Westlaw,
>> and a list of states (I choose California as most of my work is in the
>> California state courts). Next is a checkbox for including a hyperlink
>> (which doesn't seem to work). Next are copy, cancel, and close copy
>> window buttons. When I tab to the copy button in this dialog and press
>> enter, there is a slight lag before hearing a message that says
>> "citation was copied to the clipboard." Other than the hyperlink option,
>> copy citation works well.
>>
>> There is really not much difference using Edge from the prior version.
>> The overruling risk feature is usable, as is the compare version
>> feature for statutes. If you have someone from Westlaw walk you
>> through those features the first time, I think you will have no problem.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Brian
>> Brian C. Unitt
>> Certified Specialist in Appellate Law
>> State Bar of California, Board of Legal Specialization
>>
>> Holstein, Taylor and Unitt
>> A Professional Corporation
>> 4300 Latham Street, Suite 103
>> Riverside, CA 92501
>> P: 951-682-7030
>> F: 951-684-8061
>> E: brianunitt at holsteinlaw.com
>> www.holsteinlaw.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Laura Wolk
>> via BlindLaw
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 11:09 AM
>> To: slabarre at labarrelaw.com; Blind Law Mailing List
>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
>>
>> I'm so glad to hear about your positive experiences, Scott and James!
>> We were forcibly upgraded, but I reverted back because I didn't want
>> to risk it.  James, can you please give step-by-steps on how to use
>> the copy cite feature on edge?
>>
>> On 2/19/20, Scott C. LaBarre via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hey Everyone, we have had a good relationship with Thomson Reuters
>>> and their West Law group over the years.  I am happy to approach them
>>> under the NABL flag but would like to aggregate issues if I can.  So
>>> if there are other issues besides the copy cite problem, please let
>>> me know.  By the way, I have converted over to Edge and everything
>>> I've tried thus far seems to work well but I am not yet a power user,
>>> by any means.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> slabarre at labarrelaw.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Singh,
>>> Nandini via BlindLaw
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 9:25 AM
>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Singh, Nandini <NSingh at cov.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
>>>
>>> Laura,
>>>
>>> I have brought up the copy cite issue each time I call Westlaw about
>>> its performance with JAWS. Whoever is assisting me writes it down for
>>> West's development team, but maybe there is not a critical mass of
>>> people requesting improvement since it has been something I have
>>> repeatedly raised.
>>> I am not sure what else could be the hang-up in this regard. There
>>> should be a technological solution other than my having to copy it
>>> from the case frontal matter.
>>>
>>> I am not sure about Edge and am probably just as concerned as you are.
>>> I am also dealing with a disastrous Windows update that has rendered
>>> my email and word processing nearly impossible to use, though I admit
>>> this is not quite the same problem of an inaccessible environment for
>>> JAWS. All the pointless updates and upgrades can really have a
>>> negative impact.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Nikki
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Laura Wolk
>>> via BlindLaw
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 11:09 AM
>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
>>>
>>> [EXTERNAL]
>>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> What is the progress with Westlaw making the (very basic) Copy Cite
>>> feature accessible?  This is on my short list of things that NABL
>>> should be bringing its clout down , and probably should have years
>>> ago.  If I added up all the seconds it takes for me to glean this
>>> information that sighted people obtain with the click of a button...
>>> I'd be getting a lot more sleep.  Not to mention, Westlaw is used in
>>> every law school across the country for teaching purposes.  I'm still
>>> not really sure how it and Lexis have not been the subject of
>>> litigation on this point by now.
>>>
>>> Along that same line, apparently like all other companies westlaw has
>>> felt the need to update a not broken system to a new product called
>>> "Westlaw Edge."
>>> https://legal.thomsonreuters.com/en/insights/articles/announcing-west
>>> l
>>> aw-edg
>>> e
>>>
>>> I'm sure peoples' firms will be forcibly converted over time to this
>>> new platform.  Has NFB had any contact with the developpers to ensure
>>> that we don't have another horror show where these "latest and
>>> greatest" features are in fact not accessible and result in blind
>>> lawyers not being able to do their jobs?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Laura
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> BlindLaw mailing list
>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> BlindLaw:
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>>> m
>>>
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>>>
>>
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From NSingh at cov.com  Thu Feb 20 16:08:38 2020
From: NSingh at cov.com (Singh, Nandini)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2020 16:08:38 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
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You can spend some quality time with the JAWS help files, JAWS tutorials <https://www.freedomscientific.com/training/> from Freedom Scientific, looking up Windows keystrokes on Google, or looking up third party JAWS tutorials, like this one, <http://www.geocities.ws/jawsnotes/index.htm>  a bit dated but still a good place to begin. I have definitely typed in "how to do something using JAWS" into Google to see what is possible and have learned a lot that way.



-----Original Message-----
From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Sanho Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 10:20 AM
To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Sanho Steele-Louchart <sanho817 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility



[EXTERNAL]



All,



Is there a good resource for learning the most advanced functions of JAWS? Many of you have some serious JAWS-jitsu.



Sanho





On 2/20/20, Tim Elder via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>> wrote:

> My recall is that there is a way to do it even in the old version of

> Westlaw.  I did not find it very efficient or reliable as compared to

> manually copying the text, case name and page number.  It requires

> some gymnastics with multiple JAWS cursors.  You must leave the text

> of the case highlighted and change focus to do a simulated mouse click

> on the copy citation button without disturbing the highlighted text.

> Using the virtual cursor alone to navigate to the button will remove

> the highlight when you try to navigate away.

>

> I'll also make a plug for Casetext.  They aren't perfectly accessible yet.

> They are, however, in a good position to take major market shares from

> the traditional providers.

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com<mailto:laura.wolk at gmail.com>>

> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 12:29 PM

> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>

> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility

>

> Hi Brian,

>

> To make sure we're talking about the same thing, I'm talking about the

> feature where you can highlight a sentence in a case, and then copy

> that sentence along with the citation, including the pin cite.  Is

> that what you're talking about?

>

> On 2/19/20, Brian Unitt via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>> wrote:

>> Hi Laura,

>>

>> I have been using Edge for about six months with no problems. (Jaws

>> 020 and

>> Chrome) There is a button labelled "copy document citation to clipboard."

>> Pressing enter brings up a dialog containing several elements. First

>> is a dropdown list of citation formats: standard (Bluebook), Westlaw,

>> and a list of states (I choose California as most of my work is in

>> the California state courts). Next is a checkbox for including a

>> hyperlink (which doesn't seem to work). Next are copy, cancel, and

>> close copy window buttons. When I tab to the copy button in this

>> dialog and press enter, there is a slight lag before hearing a

>> message that says "citation was copied to the clipboard." Other than

>> the hyperlink option, copy citation works well.

>>

>> There is really not much difference using Edge from the prior version.

>> The overruling risk feature is usable, as is the compare version

>> feature for statutes. If you have someone from Westlaw walk you

>> through those features the first time, I think you will have no problem.

>>

>> Best,

>>

>> Brian

>> Brian C. Unitt

>> Certified Specialist in Appellate Law State Bar of California, Board

>> of Legal Specialization

>>

>> Holstein, Taylor and Unitt

>> A Professional Corporation

>> 4300 Latham Street, Suite 103

>> Riverside, CA 92501

>> P: 951-682-7030

>> F: 951-684-8061

>> E: brianunitt at holsteinlaw.com<mailto:brianunitt at holsteinlaw.com>

>> www.holsteinlaw.com<http://www.holsteinlaw.com>

>>

>>

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org>> On Behalf Of Laura Wolk

>> via BlindLaw

>> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 11:09 AM

>> To: slabarre at labarrelaw.com<mailto:slabarre at labarrelaw.com>; Blind Law Mailing List

>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>

>> Cc: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com<mailto:laura.wolk at gmail.com>>

>> Subject: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility

>>

>> I'm so glad to hear about your positive experiences, Scott and James!

>> We were forcibly upgraded, but I reverted back because I didn't want

>> to risk it.  James, can you please give step-by-steps on how to use

>> the copy cite feature on edge?

>>

>> On 2/19/20, Scott C. LaBarre via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>> wrote:

>>> Hey Everyone, we have had a good relationship with Thomson Reuters

>>> and their West Law group over the years.  I am happy to approach

>>> them under the NABL flag but would like to aggregate issues if I

>>> can.  So if there are other issues besides the copy cite problem,

>>> please let me know.  By the way, I have converted over to Edge and

>>> everything I've tried thus far seems to work well but I am not yet a

>>> power user, by any means.

>>>

>>> Best,

>>> Scott

>>>

>>> slabarre at labarrelaw.com<mailto:slabarre at labarrelaw.com>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> -----Original Message-----

>>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org>> On Behalf Of Singh,

>>> Nandini via BlindLaw

>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 9:25 AM

>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>

>>> Cc: Singh, Nandini <NSingh at cov.com<mailto:NSingh at cov.com>>

>>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility

>>>

>>> Laura,

>>>

>>> I have brought up the copy cite issue each time I call Westlaw about

>>> its performance with JAWS. Whoever is assisting me writes it down

>>> for West's development team, but maybe there is not a critical mass

>>> of people requesting improvement since it has been something I have

>>> repeatedly raised.

>>> I am not sure what else could be the hang-up in this regard. There

>>> should be a technological solution other than my having to copy it

>>> from the case frontal matter.

>>>

>>> I am not sure about Edge and am probably just as concerned as you are.

>>> I am also dealing with a disastrous Windows update that has rendered

>>> my email and word processing nearly impossible to use, though I

>>> admit this is not quite the same problem of an inaccessible

>>> environment for JAWS. All the pointless updates and upgrades can

>>> really have a negative impact.

>>>

>>> Regards,

>>> Nikki

>>>

>>> -----Original Message-----

>>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org>> On Behalf Of Laura Wolk

>>> via BlindLaw

>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 11:09 AM

>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>

>>> Cc: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com<mailto:laura.wolk at gmail.com>>

>>> Subject: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility

>>>

>>> [EXTERNAL]

>>>

>>> All,

>>>

>>> What is the progress with Westlaw making the (very basic) Copy Cite

>>> feature accessible?  This is on my short list of things that NABL

>>> should be bringing its clout down , and probably should have years

>>> ago.  If I added up all the seconds it takes for me to glean this

>>> information that sighted people obtain with the click of a button...

>>> I'd be getting a lot more sleep.  Not to mention, Westlaw is used in

>>> every law school across the country for teaching purposes.  I'm

>>> still not really sure how it and Lexis have not been the subject of

>>> litigation on this point by now.

>>>

>>> Along that same line, apparently like all other companies westlaw

>>> has felt the need to update a not broken system to a new product

>>> called "Westlaw Edge."

>>> https://legal.thomsonreuters.com/en/insights/articles/announcing-wes

>>> t

>>> l

>>> aw-edg

>>> e

>>>

>>> I'm sure peoples' firms will be forcibly converted over time to this

>>> new platform.  Has NFB had any contact with the developpers to

>>> ensure that we don't have another horror show where these "latest

>>> and greatest" features are in fact not accessible and result in

>>> blind lawyers not being able to do their jobs?

>>>

>>> Thanks,

>>> Laura

>>>

>>> _______________________________________________

>>> BlindLaw mailing list

>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:BlindLaw at nfbnet.org>

>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org

>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info

>>> for

>>> BlindLaw:

>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/nsingh%40cov.c

>>> o

>>> m

>>>

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>>> com

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Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2020 12:20:27 -0700
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From sbg at sbgaal.com  Thu Feb 20 22:02:50 2020
From: sbg at sbgaal.com (Shannon)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2020 16:02:50 -0600
Subject: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
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Sorry if this is a dumb question, but what is a pin cite?

Sincerely,

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-----Original Message-----
From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Laura Wolk
via BlindLaw
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 4:19 PM
To: Blind Law Mailing List
Cc: Laura Wolk
Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility

Yeah, minds blown, right?  If you highlight text w/ the mouse, a
little box (I think) pops up that says "copy with reference."  If you
hit that, then when you paste the text, the cite, including the
pincite, gets pasted next to the text.  I'd rather have access to
basic tools like that than fancy flow charts.

Laura

On 2/19/20, James Fetter via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Alas no. As far as I know, that feature is not accessible--or if it is,
> I certainly don't know how to use it. All I can do is copy the full case
> cite with or without a hyperlink, depending on whether I select that
> option. One advantage of Edge, however, is that you can go directly to a
> specific page of a case without having to keep searching on *. This is
> great when Jaws loses its place, which happens all too frequently.
>
>
> On 2/19/2020 3:29 PM, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw wrote:
>> Hi Brian,
>>
>> To make sure we're talking about the same thing, I'm talking about the
>> feature where you can highlight a sentence in a case, and then copy
>> that sentence along with the citation, including the pin cite.  Is
>> that what you're talking about?
>>
>> On 2/19/20, Brian Unitt via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi Laura,
>>>
>>> I have been using Edge for about six months with no problems. (Jaws 020
>>> and
>>> Chrome) There is a button labelled "copy document citation to
>>> clipboard."
>>> Pressing enter brings up a dialog containing several elements. First is
>>> a
>>> dropdown list of citation formats: standard (Bluebook), Westlaw, and a
>>> list
>>> of states (I choose California as most of my work is in the California
>>> state
>>> courts). Next is a checkbox for including a hyperlink (which doesn't
seem
>>> to
>>> work). Next are copy, cancel, and close copy window buttons. When I tab
>>> to
>>> the copy button in this dialog and press enter, there is a slight lag
>>> before
>>> hearing a message that says "citation was copied to the clipboard."
>>> Other
>>> than the hyperlink option, copy citation works well.
>>>
>>> There is really not much difference using Edge from the prior version.
>>> The
>>> overruling risk feature is usable, as is the compare version feature for
>>> statutes. If you have someone from Westlaw walk you through those
>>> features
>>> the first time, I think you will have no problem.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Brian
>>> Brian C. Unitt
>>> Certified Specialist in Appellate Law
>>> State Bar of California, Board of Legal Specialization
>>>
>>> Holstein, Taylor and Unitt
>>> A Professional Corporation
>>> 4300 Latham Street, Suite 103
>>> Riverside, CA 92501
>>> P: 951-682-7030
>>> F: 951-684-8061
>>> E: brianunitt at holsteinlaw.com
>>> www.holsteinlaw.com
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Laura Wolk via
>>> BlindLaw
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 11:09 AM
>>> To: slabarre at labarrelaw.com; Blind Law Mailing List
>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
>>>
>>> I'm so glad to hear about your positive experiences, Scott and James!
>>> We were forcibly upgraded, but I reverted back because I didn't want to
>>> risk
>>> it.  James, can you please give step-by-steps on how to use the copy
>>> cite
>>> feature on edge?
>>>
>>> On 2/19/20, Scott C. LaBarre via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Hey Everyone, we have had a good relationship with Thomson Reuters and
>>>> their West Law group over the years.  I am happy to approach them
>>>> under the NABL flag but would like to aggregate issues if I can.  So
>>>> if there are other issues besides the copy cite problem, please let me
>>>> know.  By the way, I have converted over to Edge and everything I've
>>>> tried thus far seems to work well but I am not yet a power user, by
>>>> any means.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Scott
>>>>
>>>> slabarre at labarrelaw.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Singh,
>>>> Nandini via BlindLaw
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 9:25 AM
>>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Singh, Nandini <NSingh at cov.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
>>>>
>>>> Laura,
>>>>
>>>> I have brought up the copy cite issue each time I call Westlaw about
>>>> its performance with JAWS. Whoever is assisting me writes it down for
>>>> West's development team, but maybe there is not a critical mass of
>>>> people requesting improvement since it has been something I have
>>>> repeatedly raised.
>>>> I am not sure what else could be the hang-up in this regard. There
>>>> should be a technological solution other than my having to copy it
>>>> from the case frontal matter.
>>>>
>>>> I am not sure about Edge and am probably just as concerned as you are.
>>>> I am also dealing with a disastrous Windows update that has rendered
>>>> my email and word processing nearly impossible to use, though I admit
>>>> this is not quite the same problem of an inaccessible environment for
>>>> JAWS. All the pointless updates and upgrades can really have a
>>>> negative impact.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Nikki
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Laura Wolk
>>>> via BlindLaw
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 11:09 AM
>>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
>>>>
>>>> [EXTERNAL]
>>>>
>>>> All,
>>>>
>>>> What is the progress with Westlaw making the (very basic) Copy Cite
>>>> feature accessible?  This is on my short list of things that NABL
>>>> should be bringing its clout down , and probably should have years
>>>> ago.  If I added up all the seconds it takes for me to glean this
>>>> information that sighted people obtain with the click of a button...
>>>> I'd be getting a lot more sleep.  Not to mention, Westlaw is used in
>>>> every law school across the country for teaching purposes.  I'm still
>>>> not really sure how it and Lexis have not been the subject of
>>>> litigation on this point by now.
>>>>
>>>> Along that same line, apparently like all other companies westlaw has
>>>> felt the need to update a not broken system to a new product called
>>>> "Westlaw Edge."
>>>> https://legal.thomsonreuters.com/en/insights/articles/announcing-westl
>>>> aw-edg
>>>> e
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure peoples' firms will be forcibly converted over time to this
>>>> new platform.  Has NFB had any contact with the developpers to ensure
>>>> that we don't have another horror show where these "latest and
>>>> greatest" features are in fact not accessible and result in blind
>>>> lawyers not being able to do their jobs?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Laura
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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From NSingh at cov.com  Thu Feb 20 22:55:02 2020
From: NSingh at cov.com (Singh, Nandini)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2020 22:55:02 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
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	<576dfa21bd0f46238bcac8c941f7ce7d@holsteinlaw.com>
	<CAHG6wD72QHRTdFATxtksDg6Q=j_WePVvawC=5DVz2KFRUM1PJw@mail.gmail.com>
	<69961b1a-9246-5968-0ac2-2f5c6496a092@yahoo.com>
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It is the specific page(s) of the case or whatever else from where you lifted the quote or proposition to include in your motion, brief, memorandum, article, etc.

-----Original Message-----
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To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
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Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility

[EXTERNAL]

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but what is a pin cite?

Sincerely,

Shannon Brady Geihsler

Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
1212 Texas Avenue
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-----Original Message-----
From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Laura Wolk via BlindLaw
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 4:19 PM
To: Blind Law Mailing List
Cc: Laura Wolk
Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility

Yeah, minds blown, right?  If you highlight text w/ the mouse, a little box (I think) pops up that says "copy with reference."  If you hit that, then when you paste the text, the cite, including the pincite, gets pasted next to the text.  I'd rather have access to basic tools like that than fancy flow charts.

Laura

On 2/19/20, James Fetter via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Alas no. As far as I know, that feature is not accessible--or if it 
> is, I certainly don't know how to use it. All I can do is copy the 
> full case cite with or without a hyperlink, depending on whether I 
> select that option. One advantage of Edge, however, is that you can go 
> directly to a specific page of a case without having to keep searching 
> on *. This is great when Jaws loses its place, which happens all too frequently.
>
>
> On 2/19/2020 3:29 PM, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw wrote:
>> Hi Brian,
>>
>> To make sure we're talking about the same thing, I'm talking about 
>> the feature where you can highlight a sentence in a case, and then 
>> copy that sentence along with the citation, including the pin cite.  
>> Is that what you're talking about?
>>
>> On 2/19/20, Brian Unitt via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi Laura,
>>>
>>> I have been using Edge for about six months with no problems. (Jaws 
>>> 020 and
>>> Chrome) There is a button labelled "copy document citation to 
>>> clipboard."
>>> Pressing enter brings up a dialog containing several elements. First 
>>> is a dropdown list of citation formats: standard (Bluebook), 
>>> Westlaw, and a list of states (I choose California as most of my 
>>> work is in the California state courts). Next is a checkbox for 
>>> including a hyperlink (which doesn't
seem
>>> to
>>> work). Next are copy, cancel, and close copy window buttons. When I 
>>> tab to the copy button in this dialog and press enter, there is a 
>>> slight lag before hearing a message that says "citation was copied 
>>> to the clipboard."
>>> Other
>>> than the hyperlink option, copy citation works well.
>>>
>>> There is really not much difference using Edge from the prior version.
>>> The
>>> overruling risk feature is usable, as is the compare version feature 
>>> for statutes. If you have someone from Westlaw walk you through 
>>> those features the first time, I think you will have no problem.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Brian
>>> Brian C. Unitt
>>> Certified Specialist in Appellate Law State Bar of California, Board 
>>> of Legal Specialization
>>>
>>> Holstein, Taylor and Unitt
>>> A Professional Corporation
>>> 4300 Latham Street, Suite 103
>>> Riverside, CA 92501
>>> P: 951-682-7030
>>> F: 951-684-8061
>>> E: brianunitt at holsteinlaw.com
>>> www.holsteinlaw.com
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Laura Wolk 
>>> via BlindLaw
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 11:09 AM
>>> To: slabarre at labarrelaw.com; Blind Law Mailing List 
>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
>>>
>>> I'm so glad to hear about your positive experiences, Scott and James!
>>> We were forcibly upgraded, but I reverted back because I didn't want 
>>> to risk it.  James, can you please give step-by-steps on how to use 
>>> the copy cite feature on edge?
>>>
>>> On 2/19/20, Scott C. LaBarre via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Hey Everyone, we have had a good relationship with Thomson Reuters 
>>>> and their West Law group over the years.  I am happy to approach 
>>>> them under the NABL flag but would like to aggregate issues if I 
>>>> can.  So if there are other issues besides the copy cite problem, 
>>>> please let me know.  By the way, I have converted over to Edge and 
>>>> everything I've tried thus far seems to work well but I am not yet 
>>>> a power user, by any means.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Scott
>>>>
>>>> slabarre at labarrelaw.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Singh, 
>>>> Nandini via BlindLaw
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 9:25 AM
>>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Singh, Nandini <NSingh at cov.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
>>>>
>>>> Laura,
>>>>
>>>> I have brought up the copy cite issue each time I call Westlaw 
>>>> about its performance with JAWS. Whoever is assisting me writes it 
>>>> down for West's development team, but maybe there is not a critical 
>>>> mass of people requesting improvement since it has been something I 
>>>> have repeatedly raised.
>>>> I am not sure what else could be the hang-up in this regard. There 
>>>> should be a technological solution other than my having to copy it 
>>>> from the case frontal matter.
>>>>
>>>> I am not sure about Edge and am probably just as concerned as you are.
>>>> I am also dealing with a disastrous Windows update that has 
>>>> rendered my email and word processing nearly impossible to use, 
>>>> though I admit this is not quite the same problem of an 
>>>> inaccessible environment for JAWS. All the pointless updates and 
>>>> upgrades can really have a negative impact.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Nikki
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Laura 
>>>> Wolk via BlindLaw
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 11:09 AM
>>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
>>>>
>>>> [EXTERNAL]
>>>>
>>>> All,
>>>>
>>>> What is the progress with Westlaw making the (very basic) Copy Cite 
>>>> feature accessible?  This is on my short list of things that NABL 
>>>> should be bringing its clout down , and probably should have years 
>>>> ago.  If I added up all the seconds it takes for me to glean this 
>>>> information that sighted people obtain with the click of a button...
>>>> I'd be getting a lot more sleep.  Not to mention, Westlaw is used 
>>>> in every law school across the country for teaching purposes.  I'm 
>>>> still not really sure how it and Lexis have not been the subject of 
>>>> litigation on this point by now.
>>>>
>>>> Along that same line, apparently like all other companies westlaw 
>>>> has felt the need to update a not broken system to a new product 
>>>> called "Westlaw Edge."
>>>> https://legal.thomsonreuters.com/en/insights/articles/announcing-we
>>>> stl
>>>> aw-edg
>>>> e
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure peoples' firms will be forcibly converted over time to 
>>>> this new platform.  Has NFB had any contact with the developpers to 
>>>> ensure that we don't have another horror show where these "latest 
>>>> and greatest" features are in fact not accessible and result in 
>>>> blind lawyers not being able to do their jobs?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Laura
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> BlindLaw mailing list
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From amatney at loeb.com  Thu Feb 20 23:24:09 2020
From: amatney at loeb.com (Angela Matney)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2020 23:24:09 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] JAWS Speaking Font Info When Text is Selected
Message-ID: <1BAC65FD6F6D1140A9F58F9D21A1A539247C1D30@SM-EXMAIL03.loeb.com>

I just upgraded to the latest build of JAWS 2020. I'm a huge fan of sound schemes-they generally make life much easier and increase my efficiency immensely. But now, whenever I select information, the attributes, font and color of each unit I select are announced before JAWS speaks the selected text. As you can imagine, this can quickly become tedious, especially if you are selecting by word or character. I've done some searching, though admittedly not as much as I generally do, and I can't figure out how to keep this from happening. I can envision situations where this information would be helpful, but there are definitely situations where it most assuredly is not.

Does anyone have any tips?

Thanks,

Desperate in DC, AKA Angie



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From sbg at sbgaal.com  Thu Feb 20 23:27:51 2020
From: sbg at sbgaal.com (Shannon)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2020 17:27:51 -0600
Subject: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
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Okay Thanks!

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-----Original Message-----
From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Singh,
Nandini via BlindLaw
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 4:55 PM
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Cc: Singh, Nandini
Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility

It is the specific page(s) of the case or whatever else from where you
lifted the quote or proposition to include in your motion, brief,
memorandum, article, etc.

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility

[EXTERNAL]

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but what is a pin cite?

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-----Original Message-----
From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Laura Wolk
via BlindLaw
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 4:19 PM
To: Blind Law Mailing List
Cc: Laura Wolk
Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility

Yeah, minds blown, right?  If you highlight text w/ the mouse, a little box
(I think) pops up that says "copy with reference."  If you hit that, then
when you paste the text, the cite, including the pincite, gets pasted next
to the text.  I'd rather have access to basic tools like that than fancy
flow charts.

Laura

On 2/19/20, James Fetter via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Alas no. As far as I know, that feature is not accessible--or if it 
> is, I certainly don't know how to use it. All I can do is copy the 
> full case cite with or without a hyperlink, depending on whether I 
> select that option. One advantage of Edge, however, is that you can go 
> directly to a specific page of a case without having to keep searching 
> on *. This is great when Jaws loses its place, which happens all too
frequently.
>
>
> On 2/19/2020 3:29 PM, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw wrote:
>> Hi Brian,
>>
>> To make sure we're talking about the same thing, I'm talking about 
>> the feature where you can highlight a sentence in a case, and then 
>> copy that sentence along with the citation, including the pin cite.  
>> Is that what you're talking about?
>>
>> On 2/19/20, Brian Unitt via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi Laura,
>>>
>>> I have been using Edge for about six months with no problems. (Jaws 
>>> 020 and
>>> Chrome) There is a button labelled "copy document citation to 
>>> clipboard."
>>> Pressing enter brings up a dialog containing several elements. First 
>>> is a dropdown list of citation formats: standard (Bluebook), 
>>> Westlaw, and a list of states (I choose California as most of my 
>>> work is in the California state courts). Next is a checkbox for 
>>> including a hyperlink (which doesn't
seem
>>> to
>>> work). Next are copy, cancel, and close copy window buttons. When I 
>>> tab to the copy button in this dialog and press enter, there is a 
>>> slight lag before hearing a message that says "citation was copied 
>>> to the clipboard."
>>> Other
>>> than the hyperlink option, copy citation works well.
>>>
>>> There is really not much difference using Edge from the prior version.
>>> The
>>> overruling risk feature is usable, as is the compare version feature 
>>> for statutes. If you have someone from Westlaw walk you through 
>>> those features the first time, I think you will have no problem.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Brian
>>> Brian C. Unitt
>>> Certified Specialist in Appellate Law State Bar of California, Board 
>>> of Legal Specialization
>>>
>>> Holstein, Taylor and Unitt
>>> A Professional Corporation
>>> 4300 Latham Street, Suite 103
>>> Riverside, CA 92501
>>> P: 951-682-7030
>>> F: 951-684-8061
>>> E: brianunitt at holsteinlaw.com
>>> www.holsteinlaw.com
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Laura Wolk 
>>> via BlindLaw
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 11:09 AM
>>> To: slabarre at labarrelaw.com; Blind Law Mailing List 
>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
>>>
>>> I'm so glad to hear about your positive experiences, Scott and James!
>>> We were forcibly upgraded, but I reverted back because I didn't want 
>>> to risk it.  James, can you please give step-by-steps on how to use 
>>> the copy cite feature on edge?
>>>
>>> On 2/19/20, Scott C. LaBarre via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Hey Everyone, we have had a good relationship with Thomson Reuters 
>>>> and their West Law group over the years.  I am happy to approach 
>>>> them under the NABL flag but would like to aggregate issues if I 
>>>> can.  So if there are other issues besides the copy cite problem, 
>>>> please let me know.  By the way, I have converted over to Edge and 
>>>> everything I've tried thus far seems to work well but I am not yet 
>>>> a power user, by any means.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Scott
>>>>
>>>> slabarre at labarrelaw.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Singh, 
>>>> Nandini via BlindLaw
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 9:25 AM
>>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Singh, Nandini <NSingh at cov.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
>>>>
>>>> Laura,
>>>>
>>>> I have brought up the copy cite issue each time I call Westlaw 
>>>> about its performance with JAWS. Whoever is assisting me writes it 
>>>> down for West's development team, but maybe there is not a critical 
>>>> mass of people requesting improvement since it has been something I 
>>>> have repeatedly raised.
>>>> I am not sure what else could be the hang-up in this regard. There 
>>>> should be a technological solution other than my having to copy it 
>>>> from the case frontal matter.
>>>>
>>>> I am not sure about Edge and am probably just as concerned as you are.
>>>> I am also dealing with a disastrous Windows update that has 
>>>> rendered my email and word processing nearly impossible to use, 
>>>> though I admit this is not quite the same problem of an 
>>>> inaccessible environment for JAWS. All the pointless updates and 
>>>> upgrades can really have a negative impact.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Nikki
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Laura 
>>>> Wolk via BlindLaw
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 11:09 AM
>>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
>>>>
>>>> [EXTERNAL]
>>>>
>>>> All,
>>>>
>>>> What is the progress with Westlaw making the (very basic) Copy Cite 
>>>> feature accessible?  This is on my short list of things that NABL 
>>>> should be bringing its clout down , and probably should have years 
>>>> ago.  If I added up all the seconds it takes for me to glean this 
>>>> information that sighted people obtain with the click of a button...
>>>> I'd be getting a lot more sleep.  Not to mention, Westlaw is used 
>>>> in every law school across the country for teaching purposes.  I'm 
>>>> still not really sure how it and Lexis have not been the subject of 
>>>> litigation on this point by now.
>>>>
>>>> Along that same line, apparently like all other companies westlaw 
>>>> has felt the need to update a not broken system to a new product 
>>>> called "Westlaw Edge."
>>>> https://legal.thomsonreuters.com/en/insights/articles/announcing-we
>>>> stl
>>>> aw-edg
>>>> e
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure peoples' firms will be forcibly converted over time to 
>>>> this new platform.  Has NFB had any contact with the developpers to 
>>>> ensure that we don't have another horror show where these "latest 
>>>> and greatest" features are in fact not accessible and result in 
>>>> blind lawyers not being able to do their jobs?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Laura
>>>>
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From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Fri Feb 21 14:31:21 2020
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2020 07:31:21 -0700
Subject: [blindLaw] FW: Attorney and Legal Internship Vacancies at the U.S.
 Department of Justice
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Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 6:03 AM
To: Undisclosed recipients:
Subject: Attorney and Legal Internship Vacancies at the U.S. Department of
Justice

 

Good morning,

Below is a list of current attorney and legal internship vacancies at the
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<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/assistant-united-states-attorney-
1036>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State California 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated February 20, 2020 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization USAO Eastern District of Washington 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Assistant United States Attorney
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/assistant-united-states-attorney-
1082>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State Washington 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated February 20, 2020 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization Criminal Division (CRM) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Uncompensated SAUSA
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/uncompenstated-sausa>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State California 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated February 20, 2020 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization Criminal Division (CRM) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Attorney Advisor
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/attorney-advisor-283>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State District of Columbia 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated February 20, 2020 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization Criminal Division (CRM) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY
<https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndal/job/assistant-united-states-attorney-0>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State Alabama 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated February 20, 2020 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization USAO Middle District of Pennsylvania 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Assistant United States Attorney
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/assistant-united-states-attorney-
1086>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State Pennsylvania 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated February 20, 2020 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization Executive Office for United States Attorneys (EOUSA) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Attorney Advisor
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/attorney-advisor-288>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State District of Columbia 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated February 20, 2020 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization USAO Northern District of Georgia 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Assistant United States Attorney
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/assistant-united-states-attorney-
1083>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State Georgia 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated February 20, 2020 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization Executive Office for Immigration Review (EOIR) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Law Student Volunteer
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/law-student-volunteer-177> 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State Texas 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated February 19, 2020 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization USAO Northern District of Illinois 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Law Student Volunteer Fall 2020
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/law-student-volunteer-fall-2020>


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State Illinois 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated February 19, 2020 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization USAO Middle District of Louisiana 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Law Student Volunteer (Summer and Fall 2020)
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/law-student-volunteer-summer-and-
fall-2020>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State Louisiana 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated February 19, 2020 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization Federal Bureau of Prisons (BOP) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Attorney Advisor
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/attorney-advisor-287>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State District of Columbia 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated February 18, 2020 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization USAO Southern District of New York 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Assistant United States Attorney
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/ausa-73>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State New York 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated February 18, 2020 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization Civil Rights Division (CRT) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Supervisory Trial Attorney (Deputy Chief, Appellate)
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/supervisory-trial-attorney-deputy
-chief-appellate>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State District of Columbia 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated February 18, 2020 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title General Attorney
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/general-attorney-84>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State District of Columbia 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated February 18, 2020 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization USAO Western District of Washington 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Assistant United States Attorney
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/assistant-united-states-attorney-
1084>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State Washington 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated February 18, 2020 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization USAO District of New Mexico 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Law Student Volunteer, Fall
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/usao-district-new-mexico-human-re
sources-office-201-third-street-nw-suite-900>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State New Mexico 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated February 17, 2020 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization Executive Office for United States Attorneys (EOUSA) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Attorney Advisor
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/attorney-advisor-286>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State District of Columbia 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated February 14, 2020 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization Executive Office for Immigration Review (EOIR) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Attorney Advisor (Counsel to the Director)
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/attorney-advisor-counsel-director
-1>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State Virginia 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated February 14, 2020 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization Civil Division (CIV) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Trial Attorney
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/trial-attorney-421>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State District of Columbia 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated February 14, 2020 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization Civil Division (CIV) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Assistant Branch Director (Supervisory Trial Attorney)
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/assistant-branch-director-supervi
sory-trial-attorney-0>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State District of Columbia 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated February 14, 2020 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
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Hiring Organization USAO Eastern District of New York 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Assistant United States Attorney
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/assistant-united-states-attorney-
565>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State New York 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated February 14, 2020 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization Criminal Division (CRM) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Resident Legal Advisor, United States European Command (EUCOM)
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/resident-legal-advisor-united-sta
tes-european-command-eucom>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
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From kelbycarlson at gmail.com  Sat Feb 22 22:16:13 2020
From: kelbycarlson at gmail.com (Kelby Carlson)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2020 17:16:13 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
In-Reply-To: <028301d5e845$5f5b3ce0$1e11b6a0$@sbgaal.com>
References: <028301d5e845$5f5b3ce0$1e11b6a0$@sbgaal.com>
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Just adding my confirmation that Westlaw does know about this and has for years. There have been vague promises to fix it, but it's never happened yet. Lexis's similar feature only lets you copy the original citation.

> On Feb 20, 2020, at 6:29 PM, Shannon via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Okay Thanks!
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Shannon Brady Geihsler
> 
> Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
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> -----Original Message-----
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> Nandini via BlindLaw
> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2020 4:55 PM
> To: Blind Law Mailing List
> Cc: Singh, Nandini
> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
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> It is the specific page(s) of the case or whatever else from where you
> lifted the quote or proposition to include in your motion, brief,
> memorandum, article, etc.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> Cc: Shannon <sbg at sbgaal.com>
> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
> 
> [EXTERNAL]
> 
> Sorry if this is a dumb question, but what is a pin cite?
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Shannon Brady Geihsler
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Laura Wolk
> via BlindLaw
> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 4:19 PM
> To: Blind Law Mailing List
> Cc: Laura Wolk
> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
> 
> Yeah, minds blown, right?  If you highlight text w/ the mouse, a little box
> (I think) pops up that says "copy with reference."  If you hit that, then
> when you paste the text, the cite, including the pincite, gets pasted next
> to the text.  I'd rather have access to basic tools like that than fancy
> flow charts.
> 
> Laura
> 
>> On 2/19/20, James Fetter via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Alas no. As far as I know, that feature is not accessible--or if it 
>> is, I certainly don't know how to use it. All I can do is copy the 
>> full case cite with or without a hyperlink, depending on whether I 
>> select that option. One advantage of Edge, however, is that you can go 
>> directly to a specific page of a case without having to keep searching 
>> on *. This is great when Jaws loses its place, which happens all too
> frequently.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 2/19/2020 3:29 PM, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw wrote:
>>> Hi Brian,
>>> 
>>> To make sure we're talking about the same thing, I'm talking about 
>>> the feature where you can highlight a sentence in a case, and then 
>>> copy that sentence along with the citation, including the pin cite.  
>>> Is that what you're talking about?
>>> 
>>> On 2/19/20, Brian Unitt via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Hi Laura,
>>>> 
>>>> I have been using Edge for about six months with no problems. (Jaws 
>>>> 020 and
>>>> Chrome) There is a button labelled "copy document citation to 
>>>> clipboard."
>>>> Pressing enter brings up a dialog containing several elements. First 
>>>> is a dropdown list of citation formats: standard (Bluebook), 
>>>> Westlaw, and a list of states (I choose California as most of my 
>>>> work is in the California state courts). Next is a checkbox for 
>>>> including a hyperlink (which doesn't
> seem
>>>> to
>>>> work). Next are copy, cancel, and close copy window buttons. When I 
>>>> tab to the copy button in this dialog and press enter, there is a 
>>>> slight lag before hearing a message that says "citation was copied 
>>>> to the clipboard."
>>>> Other
>>>> than the hyperlink option, copy citation works well.
>>>> 
>>>> There is really not much difference using Edge from the prior version.
>>>> The
>>>> overruling risk feature is usable, as is the compare version feature 
>>>> for statutes. If you have someone from Westlaw walk you through 
>>>> those features the first time, I think you will have no problem.
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> 
>>>> Brian
>>>> Brian C. Unitt
>>>> Certified Specialist in Appellate Law State Bar of California, Board 
>>>> of Legal Specialization
>>>> 
>>>> Holstein, Taylor and Unitt
>>>> A Professional Corporation
>>>> 4300 Latham Street, Suite 103
>>>> Riverside, CA 92501
>>>> P: 951-682-7030
>>>> F: 951-684-8061
>>>> E: brianunitt at holsteinlaw.com
>>>> www.holsteinlaw.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Laura Wolk 
>>>> via BlindLaw
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 11:09 AM
>>>> To: slabarre at labarrelaw.com; Blind Law Mailing List 
>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
>>>> 
>>>> I'm so glad to hear about your positive experiences, Scott and James!
>>>> We were forcibly upgraded, but I reverted back because I didn't want 
>>>> to risk it.  James, can you please give step-by-steps on how to use 
>>>> the copy cite feature on edge?
>>>> 
>>>> On 2/19/20, Scott C. LaBarre via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Hey Everyone, we have had a good relationship with Thomson Reuters 
>>>>> and their West Law group over the years.  I am happy to approach 
>>>>> them under the NABL flag but would like to aggregate issues if I 
>>>>> can.  So if there are other issues besides the copy cite problem, 
>>>>> please let me know.  By the way, I have converted over to Edge and 
>>>>> everything I've tried thus far seems to work well but I am not yet 
>>>>> a power user, by any means.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Scott
>>>>> 
>>>>> slabarre at labarrelaw.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Singh, 
>>>>> Nandini via BlindLaw
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 9:25 AM
>>>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Cc: Singh, Nandini <NSingh at cov.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
>>>>> 
>>>>> Laura,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have brought up the copy cite issue each time I call Westlaw 
>>>>> about its performance with JAWS. Whoever is assisting me writes it 
>>>>> down for West's development team, but maybe there is not a critical 
>>>>> mass of people requesting improvement since it has been something I 
>>>>> have repeatedly raised.
>>>>> I am not sure what else could be the hang-up in this regard. There 
>>>>> should be a technological solution other than my having to copy it 
>>>>> from the case frontal matter.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am not sure about Edge and am probably just as concerned as you are.
>>>>> I am also dealing with a disastrous Windows update that has 
>>>>> rendered my email and word processing nearly impossible to use, 
>>>>> though I admit this is not quite the same problem of an 
>>>>> inaccessible environment for JAWS. All the pointless updates and 
>>>>> upgrades can really have a negative impact.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Nikki
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Laura 
>>>>> Wolk via BlindLaw
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 11:09 AM
>>>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Cc: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
>>>>> 
>>>>> [EXTERNAL]
>>>>> 
>>>>> All,
>>>>> 
>>>>> What is the progress with Westlaw making the (very basic) Copy Cite 
>>>>> feature accessible?  This is on my short list of things that NABL 
>>>>> should be bringing its clout down , and probably should have years 
>>>>> ago.  If I added up all the seconds it takes for me to glean this 
>>>>> information that sighted people obtain with the click of a button...
>>>>> I'd be getting a lot more sleep.  Not to mention, Westlaw is used 
>>>>> in every law school across the country for teaching purposes.  I'm 
>>>>> still not really sure how it and Lexis have not been the subject of 
>>>>> litigation on this point by now.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Along that same line, apparently like all other companies westlaw 
>>>>> has felt the need to update a not broken system to a new product 
>>>>> called "Westlaw Edge."
>>>>> https://legal.thomsonreuters.com/en/insights/articles/announcing-we
>>>>> stl
>>>>> aw-edg
>>>>> e
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm sure peoples' firms will be forcibly converted over time to 
>>>>> this new platform.  Has NFB had any contact with the developpers to 
>>>>> ensure that we don't have another horror show where these "latest 
>>>>> and greatest" features are in fact not accessible and result in 
>>>>> blind lawyers not being able to do their jobs?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Laura
>>>>> 
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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Mon Feb 24 16:22:47 2020
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 16:22:47 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] U.S. Department of Education Office for Civil Rights
 Vacancy Announcement for GS-0905-11/12, General Attorneyincluding in Seattle
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See below link for OCR General Attorney, GS-0905-11/12, FPL 13 Announcement located in the following offices:

Atlanta
New York
Cleveland
Seattle

The Announcement opened on 2/24/2020, and closes on 6/24/2020.   This is an open/continuous Announcement which will close every 30 days with certificates being issued to each office.

ANNOUNCEMENT: OCR-HQ-2020-0017, General Attorney, GS-0905-11/12

https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/560699400


From kelbycarlson at gmail.com  Mon Feb 24 15:09:01 2020
From: kelbycarlson at gmail.com (Kelby Carlson)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 10:09:01 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Braille Displays For Legal Work
Message-ID: <5C440344-6C9F-4BF7-A200-86CA5DD290EA@gmail.com>

All,

I'm going to need to request a Braille display as an accommodation soon, and I'd like to know what everyone prefers specifically for working in law. I need something with little latency that preferably works with both JAWS and NVDA. I'm not looking for notetaker recommendations, but a display that can read BRF and/or text files would also be great.

Thoughts appreciated.

Kelby


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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Mon Feb 24 18:24:35 2020
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 18:24:35 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Civil Rights Legal Internship,
 Equity and Social Justice- King County Waxshington Washington
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From davant1958 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 25 04:21:15 2020
From: davant1958 at gmail.com (davant1958 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 22:21:15 -0600
Subject: [blindLaw] Braille Displays For Legal Work
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If its just the Braille Display, I would say the Focus 40, though its not
the most portable. There is a Focus 14, but that might not be enough cells
for comfortable reading.
The reason is that it connects easily with JAWS.


Denise R. Avant, Esq.
President,
National Federation of the Blind of Illinois
773-991-8050
Live the life you want.

For more information about NFBI,
Go to www.nfbofillinois.org

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BlindLaw
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To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Cc: Kelby Carlson <kelbycarlson at gmail.com>
Subject: [blindLaw] Braille Displays For Legal Work

All,

I'm going to need to request a Braille display as an accommodation soon, and
I'd like to know what everyone prefers specifically for working in law. I
need something with little latency that preferably works with both JAWS and
NVDA. I'm not looking for notetaker recommendations, but a display that can
read BRF and/or text files would also be great.

Thoughts appreciated.

Kelby


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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Tue Feb 25 21:25:08 2020
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 21:25:08 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Entry-level,
 term-limited Deputy Assistant Attorney position posted - closes Fri
 Mar 6th-King County, Washington
Message-ID: <BY5PR09MB4756CB57BB9BDC4E6ED3BC06F9ED0@BY5PR09MB4756.namprd09.prod.outlook.com>



From: Stephanie Sato <Stephanie.Sato at kingcounty.gov>
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2020 10:48 AM
To: Diversity Stakeholders <diversity-stakeholders at list.wsba.org>
Subject: [diversity-stakeholders] Entry-level, term-limited Deputy Assistant Attorney position posted - closes Fri Mar 6th

Please share with diverse, entry-level attorney candidates who are interested in gaining courtroom experience.

Candidates can apply here:  https://www.governmentjobs.com/careers/kingcounty/jobs/2729288/assistant-deputy-prosecuting-attorney-pao?keywords=deputy&pagetype=jobOpportunitiesJobs
Assistant Deputy Prosecuting Attorney - PAO
Salary                   $2,682.40 Biweekly
Location              Multiple locations in King County, WA
Job Type              Term Limited Temporary, Full Time, 40 hrs/wk
Department       PAO - Prosecuting Attorneys
Job Number       2020-11415
Closing                  3/6/2020 11:59 PM Pacific

Summary

The Criminal Division of the King County Prosecuting Attorney's Office is looking for a highly motivated attorney to join our office as a contract deputy assistant attorney (DPAA) covering the infractions calendars.

The mission of the King County Prosecuting Attorney's Office is to do Justice.  The hallmarks of service in the Office are Integrity, Compassion, Leadership and Professionalism.  We exercise the power given to us by the people with fairness and humility.  We serve our diverse community, support victims and families, and hold individuals accountable.  We develop innovative and collaborative solutions for King County and the State of Washington.

We value diversity and strive to hire a workforce that reflects the community that we serve. It is essential to our mission that we create and maintain an office that is diverse and inclusive.  We encourage you to watch our six minute values video:  https://www.kingcounty.gov/depts/prosecutor/jobs.aspx

The Infractions DPAA will cover work at courthouses in Shoreline, Burien, and Seattle.  The Infractions DPAA may also be assigned to work in Redmond and Kent.   The Infractions DPAA is expected to be able to work at all of these locations.

Application Materials:  Applicants must complete application form, answer supplemental questions and attach a resume and cover letter addressed to Stephanie Sato.

Job Duties

The DPAA contract is for six-months, with the option to extend an additional six months (12 months total) depending on budget and satisfactory performance.   We hire regular deputies from current DPAA candidates when we have openings.  This DPAA position is primarily assigned to work the Infractions calendars in our District Court Unit.  This position will provide excellent courtroom experience, especially for new or inexperienced lawyers.
Work assignments will most likely include four days of infractions calendars:  Mondays and Fridays in Shoreline, and Wednesdays and Thursdays in Burien, with Tuesdays in Seattle for calendar preparation, case staffings, meetings, and other calendar coverage.  The infractions calendars cover moving and non-moving vehicle violations such as speeding and school bus stop-sign violations; defective equipment on vehicles; and, fishing violations.  The infractions calendars typically consist of 80-100 cases per day.  The Infractions DPAA will review infraction reports to determine legality, strengths and weaknesses from the evidence, negotiate just outcomes with pro se respondents or defense attorneys on behalf of their clients, and cross examine respondents in contested infractions proceedings.  This DPAA position may possibly lead to handling gross misdemeanor cases in our District Court Unit, assisting with drug and mainstream felony filings, and covering felony calendars.
Experience, Qualifications, Knowledge, Skills
*         Must be a licensed member in good standing with the Washington State Bar
*         Passion and willingness to learn courtroom oral advocacy skills.
*         Experience with legal research, legal writing and legal analysis.
*         Capacity to handle a high volume of work in a fast-paced environment.
*         Highly organized and able to complete a variety of tasks in an accurate manner.
*         Ability to learn and work independently.
*         Ability to take initiative and exercise reasonable decision making.
*         Skilled in meeting deadlines with attention to detail
*         Establish and maintain positive and effective working relationships with management, co-workers, attorneys, law enforcement, the court and the public.
*         Strong work ethic.
*         Willingness to assume unscheduled and unexpected responsibilities in addition to usual workload.
*         Willingness to accept feedback and ability to incorporate changes as requested by a supervisor
*         Commitment to Equity, Social and Justice work including ongoing cultural competence development.
Supplemental Information
Special Requirements:  U.S. Citizenship (per RCW).  Must submit to a criminal history check.

King County offers a highly-competitive compensation and benefits package designed to meet the diverse needs of our employees and support our employees' health and well-being.  Eligible positions receive the following benefits and have access to the following programs:
*         Medical, dental, and vision coverage: King County pays 100% of the premiums for eligible employees and family members
*         Life and disability insurance: employees are provided basic coverage and given the opportunity to purchase additional insurance for both the employee and eligible dependents
*         Retirement: King County employees are eligible to participate in a pension plan through the Washington State Department of Retirement Systems and a 457(b) deferred-compensation plan
*         Transportation program and ORCA transit pass
*         10 paid holidays each year (plus 2 personal holidays)
*         Generous vacation and paid sick leave
*         Paid parental leave, family and medical leaves, and volunteer leave
*         Flexible Spending Account
*         Wellness programs
*         Onsite gyms and activity centers
*         Employee giving program
*         Employee assistance programs
*         Flexible schedules and telecommuting options, depending on position
*         Training and career development programs
For additional information about employee benefits please visit our Benefits, Payroll, and Retirement Page<https://kingcounty.gov/audience/employees/benefits.aspx>.

This is a general description of the benefits offered to eligible King County employees, and every effort has been made to ensure its accuracy.  If any information on this document conflicts with the provisions of a collective bargaining agreement (CBA), the CBA prevails.  Also, in the event of any incorrect information in this document, applicable laws, policies, rules, CBAs, or official plan documents will prevail.

NOTE:  Benefits for Term Limited Temporary (TLT) or Short Term Temporary (STT) positions, including leave eligibility and/or participation in the pension plan through the Washington State Department of Retirement Systems, will vary based upon the terms and details of the position. Short Term Temporary positions are not eligible for an ORCA transit pass.

For inquiries about the specifics of this position, please contact the recruiter identified on this job posting.


Stephanie Sato - she/her
Sr. Deputy Prosecuting Attorney | Human Resources
King County Prosecuting Attorney's Office
Desk & Remote: (206) 477-1078
Email: Stephanie.Sato at kingcounty.gov<mailto:Stephanie.Sato at kingcounty.gov>
"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."

  *   Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

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From rwayne1 at nyc.rr.com  Wed Feb 26 21:26:06 2020
From: rwayne1 at nyc.rr.com (rwayne1 at nyc.rr.com)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 16:26:06 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Seeking Attorney With Experience Working With Disabled
 Military Veterans
Message-ID: <004e01d5eceb$5bd2f7c0$1378e740$@nyc.rr.com>

Hi All:
I am working with a gentleman who needs to appeal a decision of the Veterans
Administration regarding the date of onset of his service-connected
disability (not blindness). He lives in the northern suburbs of New York
City.
If anyone is familiar with this process, or knows someone who is, please
contact me off list. Thanks in advance.
Ray Wayne, New York City




From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Thu Feb 27 14:33:51 2020
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 07:33:51 -0700
Subject: [blindLaw] =?utf-8?q?FW=3A_2020_Jacobus_tenBroek_Disability_Law_?=
	=?utf-8?q?Symposium_=E2=80=93_Register_Now!?=
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References: <20200227143007.57951613AD05@lx-web-pri.nfb.org>
Message-ID: <004001d5ed7a$ee6c0fb0$cb442f10$@labarrelaw.com>

FYI

Spots are going fast.

From: Lou Ann Blake <lblake at nfb.org> 
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 7:30 AM
To: Mr. Scott LaBarre <slabarre at labarrelaw.com>
Subject: 2020 Jacobus tenBroek Disability Law Symposium – Register Now!

 


 






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Deadline Approaching. Register Now for Disability Law Symposium!


2020 Jacobus tenBroek Disability Law Symposium
Race, Diversity, and Inclusion, and the Right to Live in the World
March 26–March 27, 2020
National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute
Baltimore, Maryland

A conference with distinguished practitioners, advocates, academics, and those with lived experiences sharing and discussing a vast range of topics impacting the disability community


Register Today


Registration is filling fast. Our capacity is 250. Reserve your spot now!  Registration <https://www.nfb.org/civicrm/event/register?reset=1&id=337&cid=0>  Deadline: Thursday, March 12, 2020. 


Review the Agenda


We have an exciting agenda that includes new interactive round table discussions and more. Here is an overview of the conference schedule. Each morning includes a continental breakfast from 7:30 – 8:15 a.m. 


Thursday, March 26


8:15 – 11:15 a.m. Welcome and Round Table Discussions
11:30 – 1:00 p.m. Plenary Session: Disability Identity and Intersectionality
1:00 – 2:15 p.m. Lunch and Film
2:15 – 5:00 p.m. Workshops


Friday, March 27


8:15 – 9:35 a.m. Plenary Session: Impacts and Outcomes of Marginalization and Intersectionality on Mental and Physical Health
9:50 – 12:35 p.m. Workshops

View the full agenda now <https://www.nfb.org/programs-services/legal-program/jacobus-tenbroek-disability-law-symposium/2020-agenda> .


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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Thu Feb 27 18:46:43 2020
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 18:46:43 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] OCR Vacancy Announcement  General Attorney Advisor,
 GS-0905-15 OCR-HQ-2020-0018  Washington D.C.
Message-ID: <BY5PR09MB475672A357217AA55D04D7EBF9EB0@BY5PR09MB4756.namprd09.prod.outlook.com>



See below link for a GS-0905-15, Attorney Advisor position located in Washington, DC.

The announcement opened on 2/27/2020 and closes on 3/12/2020.

ANNOUNCEMENT:
https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/561002100


From kelbycarlson at gmail.com  Thu Feb 27 21:44:11 2020
From: kelbycarlson at gmail.com (Kelby Carlson)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 16:44:11 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] PMS with JAWS
Message-ID: <D3588D54-32C1-4656-8259-7442074DC9A8@gmail.com>

Does anybody know if the PMS programming for managing cases in a prosecutor's office is accessible with JAWS?

Kelby

From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Thu Feb 27 23:22:32 2020
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 23:22:32 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] FW: Equity and Justice Specialist position at Washington
 State Bar Association Seattle
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From: WSBA Diversity <diversity at wsba.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 11:30 AM
To: Diversity Stakeholders <diversity-stakeholders at list.wsba.org>
Subject: [diversity-stakeholders] Equity and Justice Specialist position at WSBA

Hello Diversity-Stakeholders,

There is a job opening on the WSBA's newly formed Equity and Justice Team. Please spread the word to any potential candidates. This position does not require a JD. Below is more info and a note from our team manager, Diana Singleton.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I wanted to let you know that we have recently reorganized our team structure at WSBA and formed a new Equity and Justice team which houses the WSBA's diversity, equity, inclusion and public service work as well as staffing the ATJ Board and Council on Public Defense.  We have an job opening for a member on my team (see the overview below) and click here<https://workforcenow.adp.com/mascsr/default/mdf/recruitment/recruitment.html?cid=790d666b-2716-4019-93d2-8ef1fd449e62&ccId=19000101_000001&jobId=345693&source=CC2&lang=en_US> for more details.  Please spread the word!


Equity and Justice Specialist

The Equity and Justice Specialist is part of the Equity and Justice Team, which develops, establishes, implements, and evaluates initiatives, programs and policies that: 1) serve the increasingly diverse members of the public especially those who cannot access justice because of poverty or other forms of marginalization; 2) equip and support WSBA members to serve the public especially those who cannot access justice because of poverty or other forms of marginalization; 3) ensure the legal profession is diverse and inclusive for people applying to join WSBA and members of WSBA; and 4)  ensure the WSBA operates in ways that align with its stated values of justice, diversity, inclusion and equity.  The primary role of the Equity and Justice Specialist is to support, build and maintain relationships with the Minority Bar Associations, Diversity Committee, the Moderate Means Program law school partners and to support the development and delivery of the WSBA's diversity, equity and inclusion commitment. This position provides a wide range of support and coordination in the areas of data analysis, consultation, resource development, and communications. The Equity and Justice Specialist plays a vital role representing WSBA in access to justice, diversity, equity and inclusion work.


For more details and to apply, click here<https://workforcenow.adp.com/mascsr/default/mdf/recruitment/recruitment.html?cid=790d666b-2716-4019-93d2-8ef1fd449e62&ccId=19000101_000001&jobId=345693&source=CC2&lang=en_US>.

If you have any questions, don't hesitate to let me know.

Thanks,
Diana


Diversity, Inclusion, and Equity Program Team
Washington State Bar Association |* 206.733.5945|F 206.727.8318 | Diversity at wsba.org<mailto:Diversity at wsba.org>
1325 Fourth Avenue #600 | Seattle, WA 98101-2539 | www.wsba.org<http://www.wsba.org/>

The WSBA is committed to full access and participation by persons with disabilities. If you have questions
about accessibility or require accommodation please contact Diversity at wsba.org<mailto:Diversity at wsba.org>

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From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Fri Feb 28 14:24:22 2020
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2020 07:24:22 -0700
Subject: [blindLaw] FW: Attorney and Legal Internship Vacancies at the U.S.
 Department of Justice
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Fyi and happy Friday!

 

From: DOJlawjobs (OARM) <DOJlawjobs at usdoj.gov> 
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2020 5:55 AM
To: Undisclosed recipients:
Subject: Attorney and Legal Internship Vacancies at the U.S. Department of
Justice

 

 

 

From: DOJlawjobs (OARM) 
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2020 7:54 AM
Subject: Attorney and Legal Internship Vacancies at the U.S. Department of
Justice

 

Good morning,

Below is a list of current attorney and legal internship vacancies at the
U.S. Department of Justice. Please post on your internal sites and
distribute to any interested audience, including law student organizations
and other affinity groups. 

The Department of Justice places a high value on diversity of experiences
and perspectives and encourages applications from all qualified individuals
from all ethnic and racial backgrounds, veterans
<https://www.justice.gov/careers/veteran-recruitment> , LGBT individuals,
and persons with disabilities
<https://www.justice.gov/careers/disability-hiring> .  We welcome
applications from candidates who are interested in positively contributing
to Justice and hope that you will consider joining the dedicated public
servants at the Department of Justice.  To learn more about Justice and our
legal careers, please visit our website at
https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers.


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization Civil Division (CIV) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Attorney Advisor
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/attorney-advisor-291>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State District of Columbia 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated February 26, 2020 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization Antitrust Division (ATR) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Trial Attorney (Senior Counsel for Litigation)
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/trial-attorney-senior-counsel-lit
igation>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State District of Columbia 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated February 26, 2020 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization Federal Bureau of Prisons (BOP) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Senior CLC Attorney Advisor
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/senior-clc-attorney-advisor-6>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State Arizona 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated February 26, 2020 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization USAO Southern District of West Virginia 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title AUSA <https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/ausa-105>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State West Virginia 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated February 26, 2020 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization Executive Office for Immigration Review (EOIR) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Law Student Volunteer
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/law-student-volunteer-139>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State Maryland 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated February 26, 2020 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization Criminal Division (CRM) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Resident Legal Advisor, Cameroon
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/resident-legal-advisor-cameroon-1
>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated February 26, 2020 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization Criminal Division (CRM) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Supervisory Trial Attorney (Deputy Chief, Bank Integrity Unit)
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/supervisory-trial-attorney-deputy
-chief-bank-integrity-unit>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State District of Columbia 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated February 26, 2020 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization Criminal Division (CRM) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Trial Attorney
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/trial-attorney-413>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State District of Columbia 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated February 26, 2020 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization Executive Office for Immigration Review (EOIR) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Volunteer Legal Intern Summer 2020
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/volunteer-legal-intern-summer-202
0>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State California 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated February 25, 2020 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization Federal Bureau of Prisons (BOP) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Senior CLC Attorney Advisor
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/senior-clc-attorney-advisor-5>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State Colorado 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated February 25, 2020 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization USAO Southern District of California 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Assistant United States Attorney
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/assistant-united-states-attorney-
924>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State California 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated February 25, 2020 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization Executive Office for United States Attorneys (EOUSA) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Supervisory Attorney Advisor
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/supervisory-attorney-advisor-36>


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State District of Columbia 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated February 25, 2020 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Attorney-Adviser
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/attorney-adviser-12>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State District of Columbia 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated February 24, 2020 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization Antitrust Division (ATR) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Attorney Advisor
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/attorney-advisor-290>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State District of Columbia 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated February 24, 2020 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization USAO Southern District of Iowa 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Law Student Volunteer, Summer
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/law-student-volunteer-spring-1>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State Iowa 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated February 24, 2020 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization USAO Western District of Virginia 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Assistant United States Attorney (Criminal Division)
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/assistant-united-states-attorney-
criminal-division-18> 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State Virginia 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated February 24, 2020 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization Federal Bureau of Prisons (BOP) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Attorney Advisor
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/attorney-advisor-289>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State Maryland 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated February 21, 2020 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization USAO Eastern District of Pennsylvania 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Assistant United States Attorney (Civil Division)
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/assistant-united-states-attorney-
civil-division-11>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State Pennsylvania 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated February 21, 2020 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
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Hiring Organization USAO Eastern District of Pennsylvania 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Assistant United States Attorney (Criminal Division)
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/assistant-united-states-attorney-
criminal-division-12>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State Pennsylvania 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated February 21, 2020 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
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Hiring Organization USAO Eastern District of Washington 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Assistant United States Attorney
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/assistant-united-states-attorney-
1082>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State Washington 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated February 21, 2020 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
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Hiring Organization USAO Middle District of Pennsylvania 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Assistant United States Attorney
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/assistant-united-states-attorney-
1086>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State Pennsylvania 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated February 21, 2020 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization USAO Eastern District of Virginia 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Assistant United States Attorney
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/assistant-united-states-attorney-
1087>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State Virginia 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated February 21, 2020 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
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Hiring Organization Criminal Division (CRM) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Resident Legal Advisor, Colombia
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/resident-legal-advisor-colombia-1
> 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
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> Posted/ Updated February 21, 2020

 

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