[blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility

Wed Feb 19 22:21:30 UTC 2020

What happens if you try this trick with NVDA?

----- Original Message -----
From: Laura Wolk via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 17:19:19 -0500
Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility

> Yeah, minds blown, right?  If you highlight text w/ the mouse, a
> little box (I think) pops up that says "copy with reference."  If you
> hit that, then when you paste the text, the cite, including the
> pincite, gets pasted next to the text.  I'd rather have access to
> basic tools like that than fancy flow charts.
> 
> Laura
> 
> On 2/19/20, James Fetter via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > Alas no. As far as I know, that feature is not accessible--or if it is,
> > I certainly don't know how to use it. All I can do is copy the full case
> > cite with or without a hyperlink, depending on whether I select that
> > option. One advantage of Edge, however, is that you can go directly to a
> > specific page of a case without having to keep searching on *. This is
> > great when Jaws loses its place, which happens all too frequently.
> >
> >
> > On 2/19/2020 3:29 PM, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw wrote:
> >> Hi Brian,
> >>
> >> To make sure we're talking about the same thing, I'm talking about the
> >> feature where you can highlight a sentence in a case, and then copy
> >> that sentence along with the citation, including the pin cite.  Is
> >> that what you're talking about?
> >>
> >> On 2/19/20, Brian Unitt via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>> Hi Laura,
> >>>
> >>> I have been using Edge for about six months with no problems. (Jaws 020
> >>> and
> >>> Chrome) There is a button labelled "copy document citation to
> >>> clipboard."
> >>> Pressing enter brings up a dialog containing several elements. First is
> >>> a
> >>> dropdown list of citation formats: standard (Bluebook), Westlaw, and a
> >>> list
> >>> of states (I choose California as most of my work is in the California
> >>> state
> >>> courts). Next is a checkbox for including a hyperlink (which doesn't seem
> >>> to
> >>> work). Next are copy, cancel, and close copy window buttons. When I tab
> >>> to
> >>> the copy button in this dialog and press enter, there is a slight lag
> >>> before
> >>> hearing a message that says "citation was copied to the clipboard."
> >>> Other
> >>> than the hyperlink option, copy citation works well.
> >>>
> >>> There is really not much difference using Edge from the prior version.
> >>> The
> >>> overruling risk feature is usable, as is the compare version feature for
> >>> statutes. If you have someone from Westlaw walk you through those
> >>> features
> >>> the first time, I think you will have no problem.
> >>>
> >>> Best,
> >>>
> >>> Brian
> >>> Brian C. Unitt
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Laura Wolk via
> >>> BlindLaw
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 11:09 AM
> >>> To: slabarre at labarrelaw.com; Blind Law Mailing List
> >>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Cc: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com>
> >>> Subject: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
> >>>
> >>> I'm so glad to hear about your positive experiences, Scott and James!
> >>> We were forcibly upgraded, but I reverted back because I didn't want to
> >>> risk
> >>> it.  James, can you please give step-by-steps on how to use the copy
> >>> cite
> >>> feature on edge?
> >>>
> >>> On 2/19/20, Scott C. LaBarre via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>> Hey Everyone, we have had a good relationship with Thomson Reuters and
> >>>> their West Law group over the years.  I am happy to approach them
> >>>> under the NABL flag but would like to aggregate issues if I can.  So
> >>>> if there are other issues besides the copy cite problem, please let me
> >>>> know.  By the way, I have converted over to Edge and everything I've
> >>>> tried thus far seems to work well but I am not yet a power user, by
> >>>> any means.
> >>>>
> >>>> Best,
> >>>> Scott
> >>>>
> >>>> slabarre at labarrelaw.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Singh,
> >>>> Nandini via BlindLaw
> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 9:25 AM
> >>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> Cc: Singh, Nandini <NSingh at cov.com>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
> >>>>
> >>>> Laura,
> >>>>
> >>>> I have brought up the copy cite issue each time I call Westlaw about
> >>>> its performance with JAWS. Whoever is assisting me writes it down for
> >>>> West's development team, but maybe there is not a critical mass of
> >>>> people requesting improvement since it has been something I have
> >>>> repeatedly raised.
> >>>> I am not sure what else could be the hang-up in this regard. There
> >>>> should be a technological solution other than my having to copy it
> >>>> from the case frontal matter.
> >>>>
> >>>> I am not sure about Edge and am probably just as concerned as you are.
> >>>> I am also dealing with a disastrous Windows update that has rendered
> >>>> my email and word processing nearly impossible to use, though I admit
> >>>> this is not quite the same problem of an inaccessible environment for
> >>>> JAWS. All the pointless updates and upgrades can really have a
> >>>> negative impact.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>> Nikki
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Laura Wolk
> >>>> via BlindLaw
> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 11:09 AM
> >>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> Cc: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com>
> >>>> Subject: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
> >>>>
> >>>> [EXTERNAL]
> >>>>
> >>>> All,
> >>>>
> >>>> What is the progress with Westlaw making the (very basic) Copy Cite
> >>>> feature accessible?  This is on my short list of things that NABL
> >>>> should be bringing its clout down , and probably should have years
> >>>> ago.  If I added up all the seconds it takes for me to glean this
> >>>> information that sighted people obtain with the click of a button...
> >>>> I'd be getting a lot more sleep.  Not to mention, Westlaw is used in
> >>>> every law school across the country for teaching purposes.  I'm still
> >>>> not really sure how it and Lexis have not been the subject of
> >>>> litigation on this point by now.
> >>>>
> >>>> Along that same line, apparently like all other companies westlaw has
> >>>> felt the need to update a not broken system to a new product called
> >>>> "Westlaw Edge."
> >>>> https://legal.thomsonreuters.com/en/insights/articles/announcing-westl
> >>>> aw-edg
> >>>> e
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm sure peoples' firms will be forcibly converted over time to this
> >>>> new platform.  Has NFB had any contact with the developpers to ensure
> >>>> that we don't have another horror show where these "latest and
> >>>> greatest" features are in fact not accessible and result in blind
> >>>> lawyers not being able to do their jobs?
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> Laura
> >>>>
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