[blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility

Singh, Nandini NSingh at cov.com
Thu Feb 20 22:55:02 UTC 2020 

It is the specific page(s) of the case or whatever else from where you lifted the quote or proposition to include in your motion, brief, memorandum, article, etc.

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Sorry if this is a dumb question, but what is a pin cite?

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From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Laura Wolk via BlindLaw
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Yeah, minds blown, right?  If you highlight text w/ the mouse, a little box (I think) pops up that says "copy with reference."  If you hit that, then when you paste the text, the cite, including the pincite, gets pasted next to the text.  I'd rather have access to basic tools like that than fancy flow charts.

Laura

On 2/19/20, James Fetter via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Alas no. As far as I know, that feature is not accessible--or if it 
> is, I certainly don't know how to use it. All I can do is copy the 
> full case cite with or without a hyperlink, depending on whether I 
> select that option. One advantage of Edge, however, is that you can go 
> directly to a specific page of a case without having to keep searching 
> on *. This is great when Jaws loses its place, which happens all too frequently.
>
>
> On 2/19/2020 3:29 PM, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw wrote:
>> Hi Brian,
>>
>> To make sure we're talking about the same thing, I'm talking about 
>> the feature where you can highlight a sentence in a case, and then 
>> copy that sentence along with the citation, including the pin cite.  
>> Is that what you're talking about?
>>
>> On 2/19/20, Brian Unitt via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi Laura,
>>>
>>> I have been using Edge for about six months with no problems. (Jaws 
>>> 020 and
>>> Chrome) There is a button labelled "copy document citation to 
>>> clipboard."
>>> Pressing enter brings up a dialog containing several elements. First 
>>> is a dropdown list of citation formats: standard (Bluebook), 
>>> Westlaw, and a list of states (I choose California as most of my 
>>> work is in the California state courts). Next is a checkbox for 
>>> including a hyperlink (which doesn't
seem
>>> to
>>> work). Next are copy, cancel, and close copy window buttons. When I 
>>> tab to the copy button in this dialog and press enter, there is a 
>>> slight lag before hearing a message that says "citation was copied 
>>> to the clipboard."
>>> Other
>>> than the hyperlink option, copy citation works well.
>>>
>>> There is really not much difference using Edge from the prior version.
>>> The
>>> overruling risk feature is usable, as is the compare version feature 
>>> for statutes. If you have someone from Westlaw walk you through 
>>> those features the first time, I think you will have no problem.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Brian
>>> Brian C. Unitt
>>> Certified Specialist in Appellate Law State Bar of California, Board 
>>> of Legal Specialization
>>>
>>> Holstein, Taylor and Unitt
>>> A Professional Corporation
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>>> E: brianunitt at holsteinlaw.com
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>>>
>>>
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>>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Laura Wolk 
>>> via BlindLaw
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 11:09 AM
>>> To: slabarre at labarrelaw.com; Blind Law Mailing List 
>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
>>>
>>> I'm so glad to hear about your positive experiences, Scott and James!
>>> We were forcibly upgraded, but I reverted back because I didn't want 
>>> to risk it.  James, can you please give step-by-steps on how to use 
>>> the copy cite feature on edge?
>>>
>>> On 2/19/20, Scott C. LaBarre via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Hey Everyone, we have had a good relationship with Thomson Reuters 
>>>> and their West Law group over the years.  I am happy to approach 
>>>> them under the NABL flag but would like to aggregate issues if I 
>>>> can.  So if there are other issues besides the copy cite problem, 
>>>> please let me know.  By the way, I have converted over to Edge and 
>>>> everything I've tried thus far seems to work well but I am not yet 
>>>> a power user, by any means.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Scott
>>>>
>>>> slabarre at labarrelaw.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Singh, 
>>>> Nandini via BlindLaw
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 9:25 AM
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>>>> Cc: Singh, Nandini <NSingh at cov.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
>>>>
>>>> Laura,
>>>>
>>>> I have brought up the copy cite issue each time I call Westlaw 
>>>> about its performance with JAWS. Whoever is assisting me writes it 
>>>> down for West's development team, but maybe there is not a critical 
>>>> mass of people requesting improvement since it has been something I 
>>>> have repeatedly raised.
>>>> I am not sure what else could be the hang-up in this regard. There 
>>>> should be a technological solution other than my having to copy it 
>>>> from the case frontal matter.
>>>>
>>>> I am not sure about Edge and am probably just as concerned as you are.
>>>> I am also dealing with a disastrous Windows update that has 
>>>> rendered my email and word processing nearly impossible to use, 
>>>> though I admit this is not quite the same problem of an 
>>>> inaccessible environment for JAWS. All the pointless updates and 
>>>> upgrades can really have a negative impact.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Nikki
>>>>
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>>>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Laura 
>>>> Wolk via BlindLaw
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2020 11:09 AM
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>>>> Cc: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: [blindLaw] Westlaw and Accessibility
>>>>
>>>> [EXTERNAL]
>>>>
>>>> All,
>>>>
>>>> What is the progress with Westlaw making the (very basic) Copy Cite 
>>>> feature accessible?  This is on my short list of things that NABL 
>>>> should be bringing its clout down , and probably should have years 
>>>> ago.  If I added up all the seconds it takes for me to glean this 
>>>> information that sighted people obtain with the click of a button...
>>>> I'd be getting a lot more sleep.  Not to mention, Westlaw is used 
>>>> in every law school across the country for teaching purposes.  I'm 
>>>> still not really sure how it and Lexis have not been the subject of 
>>>> litigation on this point by now.
>>>>
>>>> Along that same line, apparently like all other companies westlaw 
>>>> has felt the need to update a not broken system to a new product 
>>>> called "Westlaw Edge."
>>>> https://legal.thomsonreuters.com/en/insights/articles/announcing-we
>>>> stl
>>>> aw-edg
>>>> e
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure peoples' firms will be forcibly converted over time to 
>>>> this new platform.  Has NFB had any contact with the developpers to 
>>>> ensure that we don't have another horror show where these "latest 
>>>> and greatest" features are in fact not accessible and result in 
>>>> blind lawyers not being able to do their jobs?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Laura
>>>>
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