From angie.matney at gmail.com  Thu Jan  2 17:27:46 2020
From: angie.matney at gmail.com (Angie Matney)
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2020 12:27:46 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Healthcare Law Connection (Malpractice, Health Policy,
 etc)
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Hello Jenn, 

My practice is focused on data privacy, and a lot of what I do is related to the privacy of health data. This includes counseling clients on HIPAA, state data privacy laws, laws in other jurisdictions (such as the European Union), and industry-specific regulatory guidance (such as guidance applicable to certain AdTech companies). I also draft and negotiate agreements and policies concerning how companies collect, use and share health data. 

I've also done some work in the medical leasing area, which involves health care regulatory issues related to the Stark Law, the Anti-Kickback Statute, etc. It has been a while since I have done that type of work—my practice is more focused on privacy these days. But I'm happy to try to answer any questions. Feel free to email me off-list at angie.matney at gmail.com (trying to make sure the email address makes it through filters). 
Best, 

Angie 

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> On Dec 30, 2019, at 12:16 AM, Jenn Han via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> My name is Jenn, and I’m a current undergraduate interested in learning
> more about healthcare law and potential careers and opportunities in this
> field. If you know of anyone who works in this legal field (malpractice,
> health policy, etc.) I’d really appreciate if you connected me to them.
> 
> 
> Wishing you a happy New Years,
> 
> Jenn
> -- 
> Jenn Han
> University of California, Los Angeles
> Class of 2021 | Molecular, Cell, Developmental Biology
> USAC Community Service Commission | Campus Liaison Director
> Life Sciences Student Association (LSSA) | Equity, Diversity, & Inclusion
> Advisor
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From keribcu at gmail.com  Fri Jan  3 14:37:22 2020
From: keribcu at gmail.com (Keri Svendsen)
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2020 09:37:22 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] anyone working or have worked in the prison system
Message-ID: <6d996501-f8e7-cd49-949c-1234394ba267@gmail.com>

good morning,


I am looking to speak to individuals that have worked in the prison 
system. I am trying to get an internship in the system, and I'd like to 
talk to individuals to see how they have overcame the questions posed to 
them about safety and so forth.

My  email is: keribcu at gmail.com

-- 
Keri Svendsen



From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com  Thu Jan  9 09:42:08 2020
From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj)
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2020 09:42:08 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Reading text aloud verbatim while listening to JAWS
Message-ID: <D7A70B86-C8DB-46DF-A16F-0F74E4CAA980@gmail.com>

Hi, all,

Are any of you here able to do this in a natural-sounding and seamless way? If so, how? One solution is Braille. However, I started learning Braille as an adult a couple of years ago and still have a long way to go to get to a point where I might be able to deploy it in this context. So I’d really like to learn how to do this with JAWS on a war footing.

Most blind people I know cannot do this. But some can which suggests to me that it is a learnable skill.

Best,
Rahul



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From p.harpur at law.uq.edu.au  Thu Jan  9 10:24:21 2020
From: p.harpur at law.uq.edu.au (Paul Harpur)
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2020 10:24:21 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Reading text aloud verbatim while listening to JAWS
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I am not sure I do it fantastically, but what I do is have a bite size amount of text on each line.  I then arrow down each line as the line above is finishing.  I have my screen reader speaking at slightly faster than I am.  
Here is part of a speech I gave recently at the a ILO workshop.  

We are up here on a small platform but we have a big message
Thank you Frances
Today I want to focus my paper on
Workers with Disabilities Working in the Global Gig Economy
This project forms 	part of a wider collaborative work between myself and Professor Peter Blanck   Professor Blanck chairs  the Burton Blatt Institute  Syracuse Universitywhere I am also an international distinguished fellow 
I am going to start my presentation by analysing 
how technology and universal design 
is enabling workers with disabilities to participate in the global gig economy   
Second 
I will show how this new market is creating 
new policy and regulatory opportunities 
to enable persons with disabilities to become
workers with disabilities
we have heard in other sessions how technology can be used as an enabler
Universal Design can guide the 
design of environments  
processes  
policies  
technologies and tools 
to facilitate the inclusion of all people in society   
Universal design however can do more than this   
Universal design can create new work opportunities
Universal design can Create new opportunities  for economic advancement
Universal design can provide people with disabilities 
who have been denied their right to work access 
to work 
it can make persons with disabilities into workers with disabilities


Dr Paul Harpur
BBus (HRm), LLB (Hons) LLM, PhD, solicitor of the High Court of Australia (non-practicing)
Fulbright Future Scholar/International Distinguished Fellow, Burton Blatt Institute, SU, New York/Academic Fellow, Harvard Law School Project on Disabilities.
Associate Professor  
The University of Queensland Law School


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Subject: [blindLaw] Reading text aloud verbatim while listening to JAWS

Hi, all,

Are any of you here able to do this in a natural-sounding and seamless way? If so, how? One solution is Braille. However, I started learning Braille as an adult a couple of years ago and still have a long way to go to get to a point where I might be able to deploy it in this context. So I’d really like to learn how to do this with JAWS on a war footing.

Most blind people I know cannot do this. But some can which suggests to me that it is a learnable skill.

Best,
Rahul



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From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com  Thu Jan  9 12:46:15 2020
From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj)
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2020 12:46:15 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Reading text aloud verbatim while listening to JAWS
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Dear Dr. Harpour,

This is excellent, thank you for sharing your approach. I have been
thinking of adopting the same approach. I have some follow-ups for
you:

First, when reading text aloud in this fashion, do you speak
organically as you listen, or do you listen, commit to memory what you
have heard and speak it out loud in a seamless fashion?

Second, at what speed rate do you keep JAWS when getting it to read
aloud the text?

Third, do you feel that you are able to sound natural and maintain the
desired tone while doing this? One difficulty I foresee with doing it
is sounding disjointed and unnatural while speaking. Also, I am
wondering if it is possible to tonally emphasize some specific words
or phrases when adopting this strategy.

On the whole, it certainly does sound like a viable solution. Thank
you, again, for sharing it.

Best,
Rahul

On 09/01/2020, Paul Harpur via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I am not sure I do it fantastically, but what I do is have a bite size
> amount of text on each line.  I then arrow down each line as the line above
> is finishing.  I have my screen reader speaking at slightly faster than I
> am.
> Here is part of a speech I gave recently at the a ILO workshop.
>
> We are up here on a small platform but we have a big message
> Thank you Frances
> Today I want to focus my paper on
> Workers with Disabilities Working in the Global Gig Economy
> This project forms 	part of a wider collaborative work between myself and
> Professor Peter Blanck   Professor Blanck chairs  the Burton Blatt Institute
>  Syracuse Universitywhere I am also an international distinguished fellow
> I am going to start my presentation by analysing
> how technology and universal design
> is enabling workers with disabilities to participate in the global gig
> economy
> Second
> I will show how this new market is creating
> new policy and regulatory opportunities
> to enable persons with disabilities to become
> workers with disabilities
> we have heard in other sessions how technology can be used as an enabler
> Universal Design can guide the
> design of environments
> processes
> policies
> technologies and tools
> to facilitate the inclusion of all people in society
> Universal design however can do more than this
> Universal design can create new work opportunities
> Universal design can Create new opportunities  for economic advancement
> Universal design can provide people with disabilities
> who have been denied their right to work access
> to work
> it can make persons with disabilities into workers with disabilities
>
>
> Dr Paul Harpur
> BBus (HRm), LLB (Hons) LLM, PhD, solicitor of the High Court of Australia
> (non-practicing)
> Fulbright Future Scholar/International Distinguished Fellow, Burton Blatt
> Institute, SU, New York/Academic Fellow, Harvard Law School Project on
> Disabilities.
> Associate Professor
> The University of Queensland Law School
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
> via BlindLaw
> Sent: Thursday, 9 January 2020 7:42 PM
> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [blindLaw] Reading text aloud verbatim while listening to JAWS
>
> Hi, all,
>
> Are any of you here able to do this in a natural-sounding and seamless way?
> If so, how? One solution is Braille. However, I started learning Braille as
> an adult a couple of years ago and still have a long way to go to get to a
> point where I might be able to deploy it in this context. So I’d really like
> to learn how to do this with JAWS on a war footing.
>
> Most blind people I know cannot do this. But some can which suggests to me
> that it is a learnable skill.
>
> Best,
> Rahul
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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--
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Candidate for the MPhil in Law
Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018)
University of Oxford


From derekjdittmar at gmail.com  Thu Jan  9 13:09:57 2020
From: derekjdittmar at gmail.com (Derek Dittmar)
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2020 08:09:57 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Reading text aloud verbatim while listening to JAWS
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Rahul,

I have extensive experience using the method that Dr. Harpur outlined
above.  I was able to successfully use this as an award-winning
debater and public speaker, as well as in law school on trial and moot
court teams.  I also workd for three years teaching oral advocacy and
presentation techniques, with a special focus on working with people
with disabilities.  Here are a few of my thoughts:

First, don't worry.  The fear of sounding unnatural while reading, as
well as finding ways to emphasize and hit a good tone, is not limited
to persons with vidual disabilities.  Everyone struggles with this.  I
do know that it's harder when you have a speedy robot voice in your
ear though...

It does take a bit of trial and error to get this down.  I typically
break up sentences by line based on phrases.  In other words, I often
end lines at organic pauses and begin lines with words that I want to
emphasize.  My best practice was to practice 2-3 times.  The first run
through was all the way, and then I would stop when I would lose the
thread of the phrase or begin to sound unnatural (if you have a hard
time picking up on that, I recommend recording yourself).

I keep jaws pretty fast for writing and reading.  When I am speaking,
I might slow it down 10-15%, just so it's not speeding through.  But
generally jaws will be a few words ahead of what's coming out of my
mouth.

This method also has the benefit of letting you make eye contact with
your audience.  You will appear more engaging and available as
compared to someone staring down at their notes.  (For the same
reason, I will typically keep a laptop screen tilted down, close to
the tops of my hands, to lessen the amount of my body covered by the
screen).  You can also be intentional about using the arrow keys with
one hand, leaving the other for gestures, if this is something with
which you are comfortable.

If there were particular words I wanted to emphasize (particularly in
poetry reading), I had some markup strategies.  A * before the word,
for example, would remind me to hit it harder.  A - would tell me to
soften.  A ^ would remind me to take a breath pause.  This was usually
only used in high levels of forensic competitions, where those pauses
and modulations were a way of getting a higher score.

Finally, the advice that I give most often for speakers (regardless of
sight) is that you should know your speech or presentation well enough
so that, if the pages unexpectedly went blank, you would not stop
mid-word.  Some good familiar with your speech or presentation means
that, if jaws does something weird, you are able to give a strong (if
not 100% accurate to the text) delivery.  And, unless you are quoting
something hugely important (the Constitution, a case, etc) that's
almost always good enough.

If you have other questions, I'm happy to chat off list.

Warmly yours,
Derek

Derek J. Dittmar, J.D., LL.M
(919)816-7549
derekjdittmar at gmail.com



On 1/9/20, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Dear Dr. Harpour,
>
> This is excellent, thank you for sharing your approach. I have been
> thinking of adopting the same approach. I have some follow-ups for
> you:
>
> First, when reading text aloud in this fashion, do you speak
> organically as you listen, or do you listen, commit to memory what you
> have heard and speak it out loud in a seamless fashion?
>
> Second, at what speed rate do you keep JAWS when getting it to read
> aloud the text?
>
> Third, do you feel that you are able to sound natural and maintain the
> desired tone while doing this? One difficulty I foresee with doing it
> is sounding disjointed and unnatural while speaking. Also, I am
> wondering if it is possible to tonally emphasize some specific words
> or phrases when adopting this strategy.
>
> On the whole, it certainly does sound like a viable solution. Thank
> you, again, for sharing it.
>
> Best,
> Rahul
>
> On 09/01/2020, Paul Harpur via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I am not sure I do it fantastically, but what I do is have a bite size
>> amount of text on each line.  I then arrow down each line as the line
>> above
>> is finishing.  I have my screen reader speaking at slightly faster than I
>> am.
>> Here is part of a speech I gave recently at the a ILO workshop.
>>
>> We are up here on a small platform but we have a big message
>> Thank you Frances
>> Today I want to focus my paper on
>> Workers with Disabilities Working in the Global Gig Economy
>> This project forms 	part of a wider collaborative work between myself and
>> Professor Peter Blanck   Professor Blanck chairs  the Burton Blatt
>> Institute
>>  Syracuse Universitywhere I am also an international distinguished fellow
>> I am going to start my presentation by analysing
>> how technology and universal design
>> is enabling workers with disabilities to participate in the global gig
>> economy
>> Second
>> I will show how this new market is creating
>> new policy and regulatory opportunities
>> to enable persons with disabilities to become
>> workers with disabilities
>> we have heard in other sessions how technology can be used as an enabler
>> Universal Design can guide the
>> design of environments
>> processes
>> policies
>> technologies and tools
>> to facilitate the inclusion of all people in society
>> Universal design however can do more than this
>> Universal design can create new work opportunities
>> Universal design can Create new opportunities  for economic advancement
>> Universal design can provide people with disabilities
>> who have been denied their right to work access
>> to work
>> it can make persons with disabilities into workers with disabilities
>>
>>
>> Dr Paul Harpur
>> BBus (HRm), LLB (Hons) LLM, PhD, solicitor of the High Court of Australia
>> (non-practicing)
>> Fulbright Future Scholar/International Distinguished Fellow, Burton Blatt
>> Institute, SU, New York/Academic Fellow, Harvard Law School Project on
>> Disabilities.
>> Associate Professor
>> The University of Queensland Law School
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rahul
>> Bajaj
>> via BlindLaw
>> Sent: Thursday, 9 January 2020 7:42 PM
>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [blindLaw] Reading text aloud verbatim while listening to JAWS
>>
>> Hi, all,
>>
>> Are any of you here able to do this in a natural-sounding and seamless
>> way?
>> If so, how? One solution is Braille. However, I started learning Braille
>> as
>> an adult a couple of years ago and still have a long way to go to get to a
>> point where I might be able to deploy it in this context. So I’d really
>> like
>> to learn how to do this with JAWS on a war footing.
>>
>> Most blind people I know cannot do this. But some can which suggests to me
>> that it is a learnable skill.
>>
>> Best,
>> Rahul
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> _______________________________________________
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>
>
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> --
> Rahul Bajaj
> Candidate for the MPhil in Law
> Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018)
> University of Oxford
>
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From maurakutnyak at gmail.com  Thu Jan  9 13:14:02 2020
From: maurakutnyak at gmail.com (Maura Kutnyak)
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2020 08:14:02 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Reading text aloud verbatim while listening to JAWS
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Hello Rahul,

I have found that the most seamless speeches come from having memorize the material. Typically I give a speech as many times as possible before hand at home, in the shower, walking down the street, every context I can think of, so that I am extremely familiar with the structure and content. This also allows for some flexibility because you are able to present the information in a variety of ways having practiced and experienced a variety of iterations. of course, memorization Becomes more and more fallible in proportion to the length of the speech you are giving. 

Have you ever tried using a simple outline based on the material that you were presenting? Basically a series of keywords arranged in the vertically down the page? Similar to what Dr. Harper does, by the way I will absolutely try that technique out, but just far fewer words in order to prompt  memory. 

Sincerely,

Maura Kutnyak  MPA.
716-563-9882

> On Jan 9, 2020, at 7:47 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear Dr. Harpour,
> 
> This is excellent, thank you for sharing your approach. I have been
> thinking of adopting the same approach. I have some follow-ups for
> you:
> 
> First, when reading text aloud in this fashion, do you speak
> organically as you listen, or do you listen, commit to memory what you
> have heard and speak it out loud in a seamless fashion?
> 
> Second, at what speed rate do you keep JAWS when getting it to read
> aloud the text?
> 
> Third, do you feel that you are able to sound natural and maintain the
> desired tone while doing this? One difficulty I foresee with doing it
> is sounding disjointed and unnatural while speaking. Also, I am
> wondering if it is possible to tonally emphasize some specific words
> or phrases when adopting this strategy.
> 
> On the whole, it certainly does sound like a viable solution. Thank
> you, again, for sharing it.
> 
> Best,
> Rahul
> 
>> On 09/01/2020, Paul Harpur via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I am not sure I do it fantastically, but what I do is have a bite size
>> amount of text on each line.  I then arrow down each line as the line above
>> is finishing.  I have my screen reader speaking at slightly faster than I
>> am.
>> Here is part of a speech I gave recently at the a ILO workshop.
>> 
>> We are up here on a small platform but we have a big message
>> Thank you Frances
>> Today I want to focus my paper on
>> Workers with Disabilities Working in the Global Gig Economy
>> This project forms    part of a wider collaborative work between myself and
>> Professor Peter Blanck   Professor Blanck chairs  the Burton Blatt Institute
>> Syracuse Universitywhere I am also an international distinguished fellow
>> I am going to start my presentation by analysing
>> how technology and universal design
>> is enabling workers with disabilities to participate in the global gig
>> economy
>> Second
>> I will show how this new market is creating
>> new policy and regulatory opportunities
>> to enable persons with disabilities to become
>> workers with disabilities
>> we have heard in other sessions how technology can be used as an enabler
>> Universal Design can guide the
>> design of environments
>> processes
>> policies
>> technologies and tools
>> to facilitate the inclusion of all people in society
>> Universal design however can do more than this
>> Universal design can create new work opportunities
>> Universal design can Create new opportunities  for economic advancement
>> Universal design can provide people with disabilities
>> who have been denied their right to work access
>> to work
>> it can make persons with disabilities into workers with disabilities
>> 
>> 
>> Dr Paul Harpur
>> BBus (HRm), LLB (Hons) LLM, PhD, solicitor of the High Court of Australia
>> (non-practicing)
>> Fulbright Future Scholar/International Distinguished Fellow, Burton Blatt
>> Institute, SU, New York/Academic Fellow, Harvard Law School Project on
>> Disabilities.
>> Associate Professor
>> The University of Queensland Law School
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
>> via BlindLaw
>> Sent: Thursday, 9 January 2020 7:42 PM
>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [blindLaw] Reading text aloud verbatim while listening to JAWS
>> 
>> Hi, all,
>> 
>> Are any of you here able to do this in a natural-sounding and seamless way?
>> If so, how? One solution is Braille. However, I started learning Braille as
>> an adult a couple of years ago and still have a long way to go to get to a
>> point where I might be able to deploy it in this context. So I’d really like
>> to learn how to do this with JAWS on a war footing.
>> 
>> Most blind people I know cannot do this. But some can which suggests to me
>> that it is a learnable skill.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Rahul
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> _______________________________________________
>> BlindLaw mailing list
>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
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> 
> 
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> --
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> Candidate for the MPhil in Law
> Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018)
> University of Oxford
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From sbadillo100 at gmail.com  Thu Jan  9 13:27:30 2020
From: sbadillo100 at gmail.com (Sarah Badillo)
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2020 08:27:30 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] reading text aloud while listening to jaws
Message-ID: <CACP-bbUGhMF4GNL3pVk_Q7KZGZOco+YoG_qfET_YwFng_NFjCA@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not exactly clear what is meant by reading text outloud by listening to
jaws. On the other hand, if you mean listening to jaws and speaking the
text as if you were reading it almost at the same time as jaws, I can do
that. It's a simple skill aquired by practicing with the jaws setting as
slow as you can stand it and gradually speeding it up. There is a limate as
to how fast you can go before you start missing some words but it has been
the primary way I take notes while reading and researching for class.

From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com  Thu Jan  9 14:22:01 2020
From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj)
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2020 14:22:01 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Reading text aloud verbatim while listening to JAWS
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Thank you for your considered and thoughtful responses, everyone.

Derek, your pointers are very helpful, especially the one on building
prompts for voice modulation into the text. I normally keep JAWS at
around 65-70% while I am reading. When I tried reading content out
verbatim while listening to JAWS, I had to slow it down very
significantly, almost to one-third of its normal speed. I thought I
sounded quite fluent still, though.

Maura,

Memorization has been my strategy thus far. However, as you note, its
success is inversely proportional to the length of the speech or text.
I have also tried using keywords, but there are times when you do have
to say the words exactly as they are, either for accuracy or to
produce the desired rhetorical effect.

Best,
Rahul

On 09/01/2020, Maura Kutnyak <maurakutnyak at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Rahul,
>
> I have found that the most seamless speeches come from having memorize the
> material. Typically I give a speech as many times as possible before hand at
> home, in the shower, walking down the street, every context I can think of,
> so that I am extremely familiar with the structure and content. This also
> allows for some flexibility because you are able to present the information
> in a variety of ways having practiced and experienced a variety of
> iterations. of course, memorization Becomes more and more fallible in
> proportion to the length of the speech you are giving.
>
> Have you ever tried using a simple outline based on the material that you
> were presenting? Basically a series of keywords arranged in the vertically
> down the page? Similar to what Dr. Harper does, by the way I will absolutely
> try that technique out, but just far fewer words in order to prompt  memory.
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Maura Kutnyak  MPA.
> 716-563-9882
>
>> On Jan 9, 2020, at 7:47 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Dr. Harpour,
>>
>> This is excellent, thank you for sharing your approach. I have been
>> thinking of adopting the same approach. I have some follow-ups for
>> you:
>>
>> First, when reading text aloud in this fashion, do you speak
>> organically as you listen, or do you listen, commit to memory what you
>> have heard and speak it out loud in a seamless fashion?
>>
>> Second, at what speed rate do you keep JAWS when getting it to read
>> aloud the text?
>>
>> Third, do you feel that you are able to sound natural and maintain the
>> desired tone while doing this? One difficulty I foresee with doing it
>> is sounding disjointed and unnatural while speaking. Also, I am
>> wondering if it is possible to tonally emphasize some specific words
>> or phrases when adopting this strategy.
>>
>> On the whole, it certainly does sound like a viable solution. Thank
>> you, again, for sharing it.
>>
>> Best,
>> Rahul
>>
>>> On 09/01/2020, Paul Harpur via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> I am not sure I do it fantastically, but what I do is have a bite size
>>> amount of text on each line.  I then arrow down each line as the line
>>> above
>>> is finishing.  I have my screen reader speaking at slightly faster than
>>> I
>>> am.
>>> Here is part of a speech I gave recently at the a ILO workshop.
>>>
>>> We are up here on a small platform but we have a big message
>>> Thank you Frances
>>> Today I want to focus my paper on
>>> Workers with Disabilities Working in the Global Gig Economy
>>> This project forms    part of a wider collaborative work between myself
>>> and
>>> Professor Peter Blanck   Professor Blanck chairs  the Burton Blatt
>>> Institute
>>> Syracuse Universitywhere I am also an international distinguished fellow
>>> I am going to start my presentation by analysing
>>> how technology and universal design
>>> is enabling workers with disabilities to participate in the global gig
>>> economy
>>> Second
>>> I will show how this new market is creating
>>> new policy and regulatory opportunities
>>> to enable persons with disabilities to become
>>> workers with disabilities
>>> we have heard in other sessions how technology can be used as an enabler
>>> Universal Design can guide the
>>> design of environments
>>> processes
>>> policies
>>> technologies and tools
>>> to facilitate the inclusion of all people in society
>>> Universal design however can do more than this
>>> Universal design can create new work opportunities
>>> Universal design can Create new opportunities  for economic advancement
>>> Universal design can provide people with disabilities
>>> who have been denied their right to work access
>>> to work
>>> it can make persons with disabilities into workers with disabilities
>>>
>>>
>>> Dr Paul Harpur
>>> BBus (HRm), LLB (Hons) LLM, PhD, solicitor of the High Court of
>>> Australia
>>> (non-practicing)
>>> Fulbright Future Scholar/International Distinguished Fellow, Burton
>>> Blatt
>>> Institute, SU, New York/Academic Fellow, Harvard Law School Project on
>>> Disabilities.
>>> Associate Professor
>>> The University of Queensland Law School
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rahul
>>> Bajaj
>>> via BlindLaw
>>> Sent: Thursday, 9 January 2020 7:42 PM
>>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>>> Cc: Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: [blindLaw] Reading text aloud verbatim while listening to JAWS
>>>
>>> Hi, all,
>>>
>>> Are any of you here able to do this in a natural-sounding and seamless
>>> way?
>>> If so, how? One solution is Braille. However, I started learning Braille
>>> as
>>> an adult a couple of years ago and still have a long way to go to get to
>>> a
>>> point where I might be able to deploy it in this context. So I’d really
>>> like
>>> to learn how to do this with JAWS on a war footing.
>>>
>>> Most blind people I know cannot do this. But some can which suggests to
>>> me
>>> that it is a learnable skill.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rahul
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> BlindLaw mailing list
>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> BlindLaw:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/paulharpur%40gmail.com
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> BlindLaw mailing list
>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> BlindLaw:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rahul.bajaj1038%40gmail.com
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> Rahul Bajaj
>> Candidate for the MPhil in Law
>> Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018)
>> University of Oxford
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> BlindLaw mailing list
>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> BlindLaw:
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>


-- 
--
Rahul Bajaj
Candidate for the MPhil in Law
Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018)
University of Oxford


From philosopher25 at gmail.com  Thu Jan  9 14:36:53 2020
From: philosopher25 at gmail.com (philosopher25 at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2020 09:36:53 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Reading text aloud verbatim while listening to JAWS
In-Reply-To: <CAFxmAdBigJCjTFUYCPT1xa4Zgi-Xn8wnQC2Zdf=HgkTbneZGMQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D7A70B86-C8DB-46DF-A16F-0F74E4CAA980@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <3A2BD604-86A7-430B-8D1A-E02B2B6ECB10@gmail.com>

Hi all,

In addition to the excellent points below, I sometimes use XL to break up the text. I might put a blank cell for a pause or put categories of information in different columns. During oral advocacy you may be interrupted by a judge with questions. Having a way to jump back to your current point from information needed to answer  the question at hand. For that, I might have a replicate page of information on a different sheet so that when I go back to my original point I flip back to the original  sheet. The original sheet reserves my place at the cursor. Alternatively, you may need two  sets of reference material .   In that case, I put my argument on sheet 2, sandwiched between  One set of information on sheet one and another set of information on   sheet three.   This way, I can reference sheet one or sheet three  and quickly jump back to my original spot in sheet to. As Microsoft word is linear, it doesn’t have that dynamic ability to quickly jump from one piece of information to another.

I hope this is helpful,
Bruce   



BruceSexton, JD

Dictated on an accessible device. 

> On Jan 9, 2020, at 8:09 AM, Derek Dittmar via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Rahul,
> 
> I have extensive experience using the method that Dr. Harpur outlined
> above.  I was able to successfully use this as an award-winning
> debater and public speaker, as well as in law school on trial and moot
> court teams.  I also workd for three years teaching oral advocacy and
> presentation techniques, with a special focus on working with people
> with disabilities.  Here are a few of my thoughts:
> 
> First, don't worry.  The fear of sounding unnatural while reading, as
> well as finding ways to emphasize and hit a good tone, is not limited
> to persons with vidual disabilities.  Everyone struggles with this.  I
> do know that it's harder when you have a speedy robot voice in your
> ear though...
> 
> It does take a bit of trial and error to get this down.  I typically
> break up sentences by line based on phrases.  In other words, I often
> end lines at organic pauses and begin lines with words that I want to
> emphasize.  My best practice was to practice 2-3 times.  The first run
> through was all the way, and then I would stop when I would lose the
> thread of the phrase or begin to sound unnatural (if you have a hard
> time picking up on that, I recommend recording yourself).
> 
> I keep jaws pretty fast for writing and reading.  When I am speaking,
> I might slow it down 10-15%, just so it's not speeding through.  But
> generally jaws will be a few words ahead of what's coming out of my
> mouth.
> 
> This method also has the benefit of letting you make eye contact with
> your audience.  You will appear more engaging and available as
> compared to someone staring down at their notes.  (For the same
> reason, I will typically keep a laptop screen tilted down, close to
> the tops of my hands, to lessen the amount of my body covered by the
> screen).  You can also be intentional about using the arrow keys with
> one hand, leaving the other for gestures, if this is something with
> which you are comfortable.
> 
> If there were particular words I wanted to emphasize (particularly in
> poetry reading), I had some markup strategies.  A * before the word,
> for example, would remind me to hit it harder.  A - would tell me to
> soften.  A ^ would remind me to take a breath pause.  This was usually
> only used in high levels of forensic competitions, where those pauses
> and modulations were a way of getting a higher score.
> 
> Finally, the advice that I give most often for speakers (regardless of
> sight) is that you should know your speech or presentation well enough
> so that, if the pages unexpectedly went blank, you would not stop
> mid-word.  Some good familiar with your speech or presentation means
> that, if jaws does something weird, you are able to give a strong (if
> not 100% accurate to the text) delivery.  And, unless you are quoting
> something hugely important (the Constitution, a case, etc) that's
> almost always good enough.
> 
> If you have other questions, I'm happy to chat off list.
> 
> Warmly yours,
> Derek
> 
> Derek J. Dittmar, J.D., LL.M
> (919)816-7549
> derekjdittmar at gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On 1/9/20, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Dear Dr. Harpour,
>> 
>> This is excellent, thank you for sharing your approach. I have been
>> thinking of adopting the same approach. I have some follow-ups for
>> you:
>> 
>> First, when reading text aloud in this fashion, do you speak
>> organically as you listen, or do you listen, commit to memory what you
>> have heard and speak it out loud in a seamless fashion?
>> 
>> Second, at what speed rate do you keep JAWS when getting it to read
>> aloud the text?
>> 
>> Third, do you feel that you are able to sound natural and maintain the
>> desired tone while doing this? One difficulty I foresee with doing it
>> is sounding disjointed and unnatural while speaking. Also, I am
>> wondering if it is possible to tonally emphasize some specific words
>> or phrases when adopting this strategy.
>> 
>> On the whole, it certainly does sound like a viable solution. Thank
>> you, again, for sharing it.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Rahul
>> 
>>> On 09/01/2020, Paul Harpur via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> I am not sure I do it fantastically, but what I do is have a bite size
>>> amount of text on each line.  I then arrow down each line as the line
>>> above
>>> is finishing.  I have my screen reader speaking at slightly faster than I
>>> am.
>>> Here is part of a speech I gave recently at the a ILO workshop.
>>> 
>>> We are up here on a small platform but we have a big message
>>> Thank you Frances
>>> Today I want to focus my paper on
>>> Workers with Disabilities Working in the Global Gig Economy
>>> This project forms    part of a wider collaborative work between myself and
>>> Professor Peter Blanck   Professor Blanck chairs  the Burton Blatt
>>> Institute
>>> Syracuse Universitywhere I am also an international distinguished fellow
>>> I am going to start my presentation by analysing
>>> how technology and universal design
>>> is enabling workers with disabilities to participate in the global gig
>>> economy
>>> Second
>>> I will show how this new market is creating
>>> new policy and regulatory opportunities
>>> to enable persons with disabilities to become
>>> workers with disabilities
>>> we have heard in other sessions how technology can be used as an enabler
>>> Universal Design can guide the
>>> design of environments
>>> processes
>>> policies
>>> technologies and tools
>>> to facilitate the inclusion of all people in society
>>> Universal design however can do more than this
>>> Universal design can create new work opportunities
>>> Universal design can Create new opportunities  for economic advancement
>>> Universal design can provide people with disabilities
>>> who have been denied their right to work access
>>> to work
>>> it can make persons with disabilities into workers with disabilities
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dr Paul Harpur
>>> BBus (HRm), LLB (Hons) LLM, PhD, solicitor of the High Court of Australia
>>> (non-practicing)
>>> Fulbright Future Scholar/International Distinguished Fellow, Burton Blatt
>>> Institute, SU, New York/Academic Fellow, Harvard Law School Project on
>>> Disabilities.
>>> Associate Professor
>>> The University of Queensland Law School
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rahul
>>> Bajaj
>>> via BlindLaw
>>> Sent: Thursday, 9 January 2020 7:42 PM
>>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>>> Cc: Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: [blindLaw] Reading text aloud verbatim while listening to JAWS
>>> 
>>> Hi, all,
>>> 
>>> Are any of you here able to do this in a natural-sounding and seamless
>>> way?
>>> If so, how? One solution is Braille. However, I started learning Braille
>>> as
>>> an adult a couple of years ago and still have a long way to go to get to a
>>> point where I might be able to deploy it in this context. So I’d really
>>> like
>>> to learn how to do this with JAWS on a war footing.
>>> 
>>> Most blind people I know cannot do this. But some can which suggests to me
>>> that it is a learnable skill.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Rahul
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> BlindLaw mailing list
>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> BlindLaw:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/paulharpur%40gmail.com
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>>> BlindLaw mailing list
>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> BlindLaw:
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>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> --
>> Rahul Bajaj
>> Candidate for the MPhil in Law
>> Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018)
>> University of Oxford
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> BlindLaw mailing list
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>> 
> 
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From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com  Thu Jan  9 15:14:49 2020
From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj)
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2020 15:14:49 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Reading text aloud verbatim while listening to JAWS
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This is a great idea, Bruce. Just to be clear, is there any
correlation between the page numbers you note down in a given sheet,
and the text to be read out that you note down in the other sheet? As
in, do you try to think through what questions might be asked as
regards a piece of text set forth in sheet 1, and set forth relevant
page numbers from the record in sheet 2, such that you can press those
page numbers into service when asked a question about what you have
just read out? The reason I am asking this question is that I imagine
it must be quite challenging to maintain the desired flow and
structure when asked a question which requires you to go to a
different sheet to refer the judge to the relevant page number from
the record. And I am wondering what model you have developed to
prevent any gaps from arising in the flow of your delivery when you
are asked questions.

Best,
Rahul

On 09/01/2020, philosopher25--- via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> In addition to the excellent points below, I sometimes use XL to break up
> the text. I might put a blank cell for a pause or put categories of
> information in different columns. During oral advocacy you may be
> interrupted by a judge with questions. Having a way to jump back to your
> current point from information needed to answer  the question at hand. For
> that, I might have a replicate page of information on a different sheet so
> that when I go back to my original point I flip back to the original  sheet.
> The original sheet reserves my place at the cursor. Alternatively, you may
> need two  sets of reference material .   In that case, I put my argument on
> sheet 2, sandwiched between  One set of information on sheet one and another
> set of information on   sheet three.   This way, I can reference sheet one
> or sheet three  and quickly jump back to my original spot in sheet to. As
> Microsoft word is linear, it doesn’t have that dynamic ability to quickly
> jump from one piece of information to another.
>
> I hope this is helpful,
> Bruce
>
>
>
> BruceSexton, JD
>
> Dictated on an accessible device.
>
>> On Jan 9, 2020, at 8:09 AM, Derek Dittmar via BlindLaw
>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Rahul,
>>
>> I have extensive experience using the method that Dr. Harpur outlined
>> above.  I was able to successfully use this as an award-winning
>> debater and public speaker, as well as in law school on trial and moot
>> court teams.  I also workd for three years teaching oral advocacy and
>> presentation techniques, with a special focus on working with people
>> with disabilities.  Here are a few of my thoughts:
>>
>> First, don't worry.  The fear of sounding unnatural while reading, as
>> well as finding ways to emphasize and hit a good tone, is not limited
>> to persons with vidual disabilities.  Everyone struggles with this.  I
>> do know that it's harder when you have a speedy robot voice in your
>> ear though...
>>
>> It does take a bit of trial and error to get this down.  I typically
>> break up sentences by line based on phrases.  In other words, I often
>> end lines at organic pauses and begin lines with words that I want to
>> emphasize.  My best practice was to practice 2-3 times.  The first run
>> through was all the way, and then I would stop when I would lose the
>> thread of the phrase or begin to sound unnatural (if you have a hard
>> time picking up on that, I recommend recording yourself).
>>
>> I keep jaws pretty fast for writing and reading.  When I am speaking,
>> I might slow it down 10-15%, just so it's not speeding through.  But
>> generally jaws will be a few words ahead of what's coming out of my
>> mouth.
>>
>> This method also has the benefit of letting you make eye contact with
>> your audience.  You will appear more engaging and available as
>> compared to someone staring down at their notes.  (For the same
>> reason, I will typically keep a laptop screen tilted down, close to
>> the tops of my hands, to lessen the amount of my body covered by the
>> screen).  You can also be intentional about using the arrow keys with
>> one hand, leaving the other for gestures, if this is something with
>> which you are comfortable.
>>
>> If there were particular words I wanted to emphasize (particularly in
>> poetry reading), I had some markup strategies.  A * before the word,
>> for example, would remind me to hit it harder.  A - would tell me to
>> soften.  A ^ would remind me to take a breath pause.  This was usually
>> only used in high levels of forensic competitions, where those pauses
>> and modulations were a way of getting a higher score.
>>
>> Finally, the advice that I give most often for speakers (regardless of
>> sight) is that you should know your speech or presentation well enough
>> so that, if the pages unexpectedly went blank, you would not stop
>> mid-word.  Some good familiar with your speech or presentation means
>> that, if jaws does something weird, you are able to give a strong (if
>> not 100% accurate to the text) delivery.  And, unless you are quoting
>> something hugely important (the Constitution, a case, etc) that's
>> almost always good enough.
>>
>> If you have other questions, I'm happy to chat off list.
>>
>> Warmly yours,
>> Derek
>>
>> Derek J. Dittmar, J.D., LL.M
>> (919)816-7549
>> derekjdittmar at gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 1/9/20, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Dear Dr. Harpour,
>>>
>>> This is excellent, thank you for sharing your approach. I have been
>>> thinking of adopting the same approach. I have some follow-ups for
>>> you:
>>>
>>> First, when reading text aloud in this fashion, do you speak
>>> organically as you listen, or do you listen, commit to memory what you
>>> have heard and speak it out loud in a seamless fashion?
>>>
>>> Second, at what speed rate do you keep JAWS when getting it to read
>>> aloud the text?
>>>
>>> Third, do you feel that you are able to sound natural and maintain the
>>> desired tone while doing this? One difficulty I foresee with doing it
>>> is sounding disjointed and unnatural while speaking. Also, I am
>>> wondering if it is possible to tonally emphasize some specific words
>>> or phrases when adopting this strategy.
>>>
>>> On the whole, it certainly does sound like a viable solution. Thank
>>> you, again, for sharing it.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rahul
>>>
>>>> On 09/01/2020, Paul Harpur via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> I am not sure I do it fantastically, but what I do is have a bite size
>>>> amount of text on each line.  I then arrow down each line as the line
>>>> above
>>>> is finishing.  I have my screen reader speaking at slightly faster than
>>>> I
>>>> am.
>>>> Here is part of a speech I gave recently at the a ILO workshop.
>>>>
>>>> We are up here on a small platform but we have a big message
>>>> Thank you Frances
>>>> Today I want to focus my paper on
>>>> Workers with Disabilities Working in the Global Gig Economy
>>>> This project forms    part of a wider collaborative work between myself
>>>> and
>>>> Professor Peter Blanck   Professor Blanck chairs  the Burton Blatt
>>>> Institute
>>>> Syracuse Universitywhere I am also an international distinguished fellow
>>>> I am going to start my presentation by analysing
>>>> how technology and universal design
>>>> is enabling workers with disabilities to participate in the global gig
>>>> economy
>>>> Second
>>>> I will show how this new market is creating
>>>> new policy and regulatory opportunities
>>>> to enable persons with disabilities to become
>>>> workers with disabilities
>>>> we have heard in other sessions how technology can be used as an enabler
>>>> Universal Design can guide the
>>>> design of environments
>>>> processes
>>>> policies
>>>> technologies and tools
>>>> to facilitate the inclusion of all people in society
>>>> Universal design however can do more than this
>>>> Universal design can create new work opportunities
>>>> Universal design can Create new opportunities  for economic advancement
>>>> Universal design can provide people with disabilities
>>>> who have been denied their right to work access
>>>> to work
>>>> it can make persons with disabilities into workers with disabilities
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dr Paul Harpur
>>>> BBus (HRm), LLB (Hons) LLM, PhD, solicitor of the High Court of
>>>> Australia
>>>> (non-practicing)
>>>> Fulbright Future Scholar/International Distinguished Fellow, Burton
>>>> Blatt
>>>> Institute, SU, New York/Academic Fellow, Harvard Law School Project on
>>>> Disabilities.
>>>> Associate Professor
>>>> The University of Queensland Law School
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rahul
>>>> Bajaj
>>>> via BlindLaw
>>>> Sent: Thursday, 9 January 2020 7:42 PM
>>>> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>>>> Cc: Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: [blindLaw] Reading text aloud verbatim while listening to JAWS
>>>>
>>>> Hi, all,
>>>>
>>>> Are any of you here able to do this in a natural-sounding and seamless
>>>> way?
>>>> If so, how? One solution is Braille. However, I started learning Braille
>>>> as
>>>> an adult a couple of years ago and still have a long way to go to get to
>>>> a
>>>> point where I might be able to deploy it in this context. So I’d really
>>>> like
>>>> to learn how to do this with JAWS on a war footing.
>>>>
>>>> Most blind people I know cannot do this. But some can which suggests to
>>>> me
>>>> that it is a learnable skill.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Rahul
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>> BlindLaw mailing list
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>> Rahul Bajaj
>>> Candidate for the MPhil in Law
>>> Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018)
>>> University of Oxford
>>>
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Candidate for the MPhil in Law
Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018)
University of Oxford


From p.harpur at law.uq.edu.au  Fri Jan 10 02:03:26 2020
From: p.harpur at law.uq.edu.au (Paul Harpur)
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2020 02:03:26 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Reading text aloud verbatim while listening to JAWS
In-Reply-To: <014201d5c755$ee8be1f0$cba3a5d0$@gmail.com>
References: <D7A70B86-C8DB-46DF-A16F-0F74E4CAA980@gmail.com>
	<SYXPR01MB08318B6C309B55552480B85798390@SYXPR01MB0831.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>
	<014201d5c755$ee8be1f0$cba3a5d0$@gmail.com>
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I also take 2 laptops if I am presenting.  I mostly lecture so I have power points on one and notes on the other.  I have had one fail and I can restart it while using the other.  
Overkill is better than being dead on your feet.
  

Dr Paul Harpur
BBus (HRm), LLB (Hons) LLM, PhD, solicitor of the High Court of Australia (non-practicing)
Fulbright Future Scholar/International Distinguished Fellow, Burton Blatt Institute, SU, New York/Academic Fellow, Harvard Law School Project on Disabilities.
Associate Professor  
The University of Queensland Law School



-----Original Message-----
From: Luis Mendez [mailto:luismendez.law at gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, 10 January 2020 11:33 AM
To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Paul Harpur <p.harpur at law.uq.edu.au>
Subject: RE: [blindLaw] Reading text aloud verbatim while listening to JAWS

Good evening Dr. Harpur:

Thanks for sharing your approach.  The approach you have outlined seems particularly well suited to giving presentations using a 40-cell braille display. I am partial to using an outline method reinforced with a complete text if a speech or reference notes when I was presenting an oral argument. However,  technology can and does fail.  Knowing your material, practice and having a backup are indispensable.

Luis

-----Original Message-----
From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Paul Harpur via BlindLaw
Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:24 AM
To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Paul Harpur <p.harpur at law.uq.edu.au>
Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Reading text aloud verbatim while listening to JAWS

I am not sure I do it fantastically, but what I do is have a bite size amount of text on each line.  I then arrow down each line as the line above is finishing.  I have my screen reader speaking at slightly faster than I am.  
Here is part of a speech I gave recently at the a ILO workshop.  

We are up here on a small platform but we have a big message Thank you Frances Today I want to focus my paper on Workers with Disabilities Working in the Global Gig Economy
This project forms 	part of a wider collaborative work between myself and Professor Peter Blanck   Professor Blanck chairs  the Burton Blatt Institute  Syracuse Universitywhere I am also an international distinguished fellow 
I am going to start my presentation by analysing how technology and universal design 
is enabling workers with disabilities to participate in the global gig economy   
Second
I will show how this new market is creating new policy and regulatory opportunities to enable persons with disabilities to become workers with disabilities we have heard in other sessions how technology can be used as an enabler Universal Design can guide the design of environments processes policies technologies and tools 
to facilitate the inclusion of all people in society   
Universal design however can do more than this   
Universal design can create new work opportunities Universal design can Create new opportunities  for economic advancement Universal design can provide people with disabilities who have been denied their right to work access to work it can make persons with disabilities into workers with disabilities


Dr Paul Harpur
BBus (HRm), LLB (Hons) LLM, PhD, solicitor of the High Court of Australia (non-practicing) Fulbright Future Scholar/International Distinguished Fellow, Burton Blatt Institute, SU, New York/Academic Fellow, Harvard Law School Project on Disabilities.
Associate Professor
The University of Queensland Law School


-----Original Message-----
From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw
Sent: Thursday, 9 January 2020 7:42 PM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Cc: Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com>
Subject: [blindLaw] Reading text aloud verbatim while listening to JAWS

Hi, all,

Are any of you here able to do this in a natural-sounding and seamless way? If so, how? One solution is Braille. However, I started learning Braille as an adult a couple of years ago and still have a long way to go to get to a point where I might be able to deploy it in this context. So I’d really like to learn how to do this with JAWS on a war footing.

Most blind people I know cannot do this. But some can which suggests to me that it is a learnable skill.

Best,
Rahul



Sent from my iPhone
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From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com  Fri Jan 10 06:27:21 2020
From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier)
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2020 06:27:21 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] reading text aloud while listening to jaws
In-Reply-To: <CACP-bbUGhMF4GNL3pVk_Q7KZGZOco+YoG_qfET_YwFng_NFjCA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACP-bbUGhMF4GNL3pVk_Q7KZGZOco+YoG_qfET_YwFng_NFjCA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGZitzLui9Ppo8Uk7NtrvmSV+LU_wqSAig4aNQOrGv-J4=LZyw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Sarah

How quickly can you do this? I have to say I can't. How do you practice?

Kind regards

Ger

On 1/9/20, Sarah Badillo via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I'm not exactly clear what is meant by reading text outloud by listening to
> jaws. On the other hand, if you mean listening to jaws and speaking the
> text as if you were reading it almost at the same time as jaws, I can do
> that. It's a simple skill aquired by practicing with the jaws setting as
> slow as you can stand it and gradually speeding it up. There is a limate as
> to how fast you can go before you start missing some words but it has been
> the primary way I take notes while reading and researching for class.
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From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com  Fri Jan 10 06:40:06 2020
From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier)
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2020 06:40:06 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Reading text aloud verbatim while listening to JAWS
In-Reply-To: <SYXPR01MB08313536906CD6CE281B7B5998380@SYXPR01MB0831.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>
References: <D7A70B86-C8DB-46DF-A16F-0F74E4CAA980@gmail.com>
	<SYXPR01MB08318B6C309B55552480B85798390@SYXPR01MB0831.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>
	<014201d5c755$ee8be1f0$cba3a5d0$@gmail.com>
	<SYXPR01MB08313536906CD6CE281B7B5998380@SYXPR01MB0831.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAGZitz+c1F6jpffjm+eBzaGwiE1bXBGB_J-1pOaDyj=jmhS7TA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello

This is a really useful question and I would love to be part of any
off-list discussions. I have to say that I have not learned how to do
this well. I sometimes get asked to read out pieces of text without an
opportunity to practice first or break it up and in circumstances
where it is critical to quote from the document precisely and I have
to say I find that difficult to do with JAWS without sounding like
something of a robot myself. Any suggestions?

Ger

On 1/10/20, Paul Harpur via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I also take 2 laptops if I am presenting.  I mostly lecture so I have power
> points on one and notes on the other.  I have had one fail and I can restart
> it while using the other.
> Overkill is better than being dead on your feet.
>
>
> Dr Paul Harpur
> BBus (HRm), LLB (Hons) LLM, PhD, solicitor of the High Court of Australia
> (non-practicing)
> Fulbright Future Scholar/International Distinguished Fellow, Burton Blatt
> Institute, SU, New York/Academic Fellow, Harvard Law School Project on
> Disabilities.
> Associate Professor
> The University of Queensland Law School
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Luis Mendez [mailto:luismendez.law at gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, 10 January 2020 11:33 AM
> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Paul Harpur <p.harpur at law.uq.edu.au>
> Subject: RE: [blindLaw] Reading text aloud verbatim while listening to JAWS
>
> Good evening Dr. Harpur:
>
> Thanks for sharing your approach.  The approach you have outlined seems
> particularly well suited to giving presentations using a 40-cell braille
> display. I am partial to using an outline method reinforced with a complete
> text if a speech or reference notes when I was presenting an oral argument.
> However,  technology can and does fail.  Knowing your material, practice and
> having a backup are indispensable.
>
> Luis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Paul Harpur via
> BlindLaw
> Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 5:24 AM
> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Paul Harpur <p.harpur at law.uq.edu.au>
> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Reading text aloud verbatim while listening to JAWS
>
> I am not sure I do it fantastically, but what I do is have a bite size
> amount of text on each line.  I then arrow down each line as the line above
> is finishing.  I have my screen reader speaking at slightly faster than I
> am.
> Here is part of a speech I gave recently at the a ILO workshop.
>
> We are up here on a small platform but we have a big message Thank you
> Frances Today I want to focus my paper on Workers with Disabilities Working
> in the Global Gig Economy
> This project forms 	part of a wider collaborative work between myself and
> Professor Peter Blanck   Professor Blanck chairs  the Burton Blatt Institute
>  Syracuse Universitywhere I am also an international distinguished fellow
> I am going to start my presentation by analysing how technology and
> universal design
> is enabling workers with disabilities to participate in the global gig
> economy
> Second
> I will show how this new market is creating new policy and regulatory
> opportunities to enable persons with disabilities to become workers with
> disabilities we have heard in other sessions how technology can be used as
> an enabler Universal Design can guide the design of environments processes
> policies technologies and tools
> to facilitate the inclusion of all people in society
> Universal design however can do more than this
> Universal design can create new work opportunities Universal design can
> Create new opportunities  for economic advancement Universal design can
> provide people with disabilities who have been denied their right to work
> access to work it can make persons with disabilities into workers with
> disabilities
>
>
> Dr Paul Harpur
> BBus (HRm), LLB (Hons) LLM, PhD, solicitor of the High Court of Australia
> (non-practicing) Fulbright Future Scholar/International Distinguished
> Fellow, Burton Blatt Institute, SU, New York/Academic Fellow, Harvard Law
> School Project on Disabilities.
> Associate Professor
> The University of Queensland Law School
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
> via BlindLaw
> Sent: Thursday, 9 January 2020 7:42 PM
> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [blindLaw] Reading text aloud verbatim while listening to JAWS
>
> Hi, all,
>
> Are any of you here able to do this in a natural-sounding and seamless way?
> If so, how? One solution is Braille. However, I started learning Braille as
> an adult a couple of years ago and still have a long way to go to get to a
> point where I might be able to deploy it in this context. So I’d really like
> to learn how to do this with JAWS on a war footing.
>
> Most blind people I know cannot do this. But some can which suggests to me
> that it is a learnable skill.
>
> Best,
> Rahul
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> _______________________________________________
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From laura.wolk at gmail.com  Sun Jan 12 13:24:21 2020
From: laura.wolk at gmail.com (Laura Wolk)
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2020 08:24:21 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] using omnipage to convert pdfs to word
Message-ID: <CAHG6wD7-sa3a0_H17yJ+KMUZzHPkRn8gp_=g_nVDmz63XN2b1w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I've been using Finereader for my batch conversion needs at work, but
we may need to stop using that program.  Has anyone had success with
Omnipage to perform this task?  Namely, is it accessible, quick, and
able to convert large files to word docs without truncating them?

Thanks,
Laura


From seifs at umich.edu  Sun Jan 12 17:07:00 2020
From: seifs at umich.edu (Seif-Eldeen Saqallah)
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2020 12:07:00 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] using omnipage to convert pdfs to word
In-Reply-To: <CAHG6wD7-sa3a0_H17yJ+KMUZzHPkRn8gp_=g_nVDmz63XN2b1w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHG6wD7-sa3a0_H17yJ+KMUZzHPkRn8gp_=g_nVDmz63XN2b1w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+3kOQeNgokwX+SYinXyrMb4gLRZ+G6neDtt-S80dczRJ4oXng@mail.gmail.com>

I have used it, but prefer abbyy instead:
more languages, file types, larger file batches, ETC.
There is an issue with Abby though: it will not convert password
protected pdf files; Omnipage seemed to do that, unless I am mistaken.

ABBYY FineReader | FineReader 15 The Smarter PDF Solution
https://www.abbyy.com/en-us/finereader/

Sincerely,
Seif

On 1/12/20, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I've been using Finereader for my batch conversion needs at work, but
> we may need to stop using that program.  Has anyone had success with
> Omnipage to perform this task?  Namely, is it accessible, quick, and
> able to convert large files to word docs without truncating them?
>
> Thanks,
> Laura
>
> _______________________________________________
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Masters in Middle Eastern and North African Studies
J.D/M.A Candidate | 2021

International studies, Arabic Studies, and Judaic Studies;
Law, Justice, and Social Change
B.A | 2017

248-325-7091
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From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com  Sun Jan 12 18:44:10 2020
From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier)
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2020 18:44:10 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] using omnipage to convert pdfs to word
In-Reply-To: <CA+3kOQeNgokwX+SYinXyrMb4gLRZ+G6neDtt-S80dczRJ4oXng@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHG6wD7-sa3a0_H17yJ+KMUZzHPkRn8gp_=g_nVDmz63XN2b1w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+3kOQeNgokwX+SYinXyrMb4gLRZ+G6neDtt-S80dczRJ4oXng@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGZitzLPuH5vzWv=5cZw+JS_zVMiouWAQqti+i1rtdKJFcma6Q@mail.gmail.com>

I prefer Omnipage to Abbyy. I particularly like that I can convert
batches of files, directly from Windows Explorer, using an Omnipage
sub-menu on the file menu.

Ensure that if you use Omnipage, it is set up so that you can convert
directly from the file menu. That way it is very simple and
straightforward to use.

Let me know if I can help any further.

Kind regards

Ger

On 1/12/20, Seif-Eldeen Saqallah via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I have used it, but prefer abbyy instead:
> more languages, file types, larger file batches, ETC.
> There is an issue with Abby though: it will not convert password
> protected pdf files; Omnipage seemed to do that, unless I am mistaken.
>
> ABBYY FineReader | FineReader 15 The Smarter PDF Solution
> https://www.abbyy.com/en-us/finereader/
>
> Sincerely,
> Seif
>
> On 1/12/20, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I've been using Finereader for my batch conversion needs at work, but
>> we may need to stop using that program.  Has anyone had success with
>> Omnipage to perform this task?  Namely, is it accessible, quick, and
>> able to convert large files to word docs without truncating them?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Laura
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> BlindLaw mailing list
>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
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>>
>
>
> --
> Seif Saqallah
> (Pronouns: he/him/his.)
> University of Michigan
> Juris Doctor/
> Masters in Middle Eastern and North African Studies
> J.D/M.A Candidate | 2021
>
> International studies, Arabic Studies, and Judaic Studies;
> Law, Justice, and Social Change
> B.A | 2017
>
> 248-325-7091
> seifs at umich.edu
>
> Student Attorney | International Transactions Clinic
> University of Michigan Law School
> 3120 Jeffries Hall
> 701 South State Street
> Ann Arbor, Michigan 48109
> www.law.umich.edu/ITC
>
> The information in this transmittal (including attachments, if any) is
> confidential and may contain privileged information. If you are not
> the intended recipient and have received this transmittal in error,
> please notify the sender immediately by reply email, delete this
> communication, and destroy all copies of the transmittal (including
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From seifs at umich.edu  Sun Jan 12 18:48:32 2020
From: seifs at umich.edu (Seif-Eldeen Saqallah)
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2020 13:48:32 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] using omnipage to convert pdfs to word
In-Reply-To: <CAGZitzLPuH5vzWv=5cZw+JS_zVMiouWAQqti+i1rtdKJFcma6Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHG6wD7-sa3a0_H17yJ+KMUZzHPkRn8gp_=g_nVDmz63XN2b1w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+3kOQeNgokwX+SYinXyrMb4gLRZ+G6neDtt-S80dczRJ4oXng@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGZitzLPuH5vzWv=5cZw+JS_zVMiouWAQqti+i1rtdKJFcma6Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+3kOQfeR65UzY30Kzz6W0MsHZvAqbnxSbctuuaX0nv2yUpmAA@mail.gmail.com>

What other differences between the two exist?
With ABBYY, I convert files from windows explorer as well.

On 1/12/20, Gerard Sadlier <gerard.sadlier at gmail.com> wrote:
> I prefer Omnipage to Abbyy. I particularly like that I can convert
> batches of files, directly from Windows Explorer, using an Omnipage
> sub-menu on the file menu.
>
> Ensure that if you use Omnipage, it is set up so that you can convert
> directly from the file menu. That way it is very simple and
> straightforward to use.
>
> Let me know if I can help any further.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Ger
>
> On 1/12/20, Seif-Eldeen Saqallah via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I have used it, but prefer abbyy instead:
>> more languages, file types, larger file batches, ETC.
>> There is an issue with Abby though: it will not convert password
>> protected pdf files; Omnipage seemed to do that, unless I am mistaken.
>>
>> ABBYY FineReader | FineReader 15 The Smarter PDF Solution
>> https://www.abbyy.com/en-us/finereader/
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Seif
>>
>> On 1/12/20, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I've been using Finereader for my batch conversion needs at work, but
>>> we may need to stop using that program.  Has anyone had success with
>>> Omnipage to perform this task?  Namely, is it accessible, quick, and
>>> able to convert large files to word docs without truncating them?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Laura
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> BlindLaw mailing list
>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> BlindLaw:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/seifs%40umich.edu
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Seif Saqallah
>> (Pronouns: he/him/his.)
>> University of Michigan
>> Juris Doctor/
>> Masters in Middle Eastern and North African Studies
>> J.D/M.A Candidate | 2021
>>
>> International studies, Arabic Studies, and Judaic Studies;
>> Law, Justice, and Social Change
>> B.A | 2017
>>
>> 248-325-7091
>> seifs at umich.edu
>>
>> Student Attorney | International Transactions Clinic
>> University of Michigan Law School
>> 3120 Jeffries Hall
>> 701 South State Street
>> Ann Arbor, Michigan 48109
>> www.law.umich.edu/ITC
>>
>> The information in this transmittal (including attachments, if any) is
>> confidential and may contain privileged information. If you are not
>> the intended recipient and have received this transmittal in error,
>> please notify the sender immediately by reply email, delete this
>> communication, and destroy all copies of the transmittal (including
>> attachments, if any).
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>>
>


-- 
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(Pronouns: he/him/his.)
University of Michigan
Juris Doctor/
Masters in Middle Eastern and North African Studies
J.D/M.A Candidate | 2021

International studies, Arabic Studies, and Judaic Studies;
Law, Justice, and Social Change
B.A | 2017

248-325-7091
seifs at umich.edu

Student Attorney | International Transactions Clinic
University of Michigan Law School
3120 Jeffries Hall
701 South State Street
Ann Arbor, Michigan 48109
www.law.umich.edu/ITC

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From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com  Sun Jan 12 18:51:38 2020
From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier)
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2020 18:51:38 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] using omnipage to convert pdfs to word
In-Reply-To: <CA+3kOQfeR65UzY30Kzz6W0MsHZvAqbnxSbctuuaX0nv2yUpmAA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHG6wD7-sa3a0_H17yJ+KMUZzHPkRn8gp_=g_nVDmz63XN2b1w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+3kOQeNgokwX+SYinXyrMb4gLRZ+G6neDtt-S80dczRJ4oXng@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGZitzLPuH5vzWv=5cZw+JS_zVMiouWAQqti+i1rtdKJFcma6Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+3kOQfeR65UzY30Kzz6W0MsHZvAqbnxSbctuuaX0nv2yUpmAA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGZitzKGvACNnckAPoC8AEu8=zDc-Jbb7FDOvjyOJ=K1A=AXTQ@mail.gmail.com>

I must admit I do not know how to do that using Abbyy.

I have found Omnipage more robust in converting documents of varying
quality but others may have a different view about that.


On 1/12/20, Seif-Eldeen Saqallah <seifs at umich.edu> wrote:
> What other differences between the two exist?
> With ABBYY, I convert files from windows explorer as well.
>
> On 1/12/20, Gerard Sadlier <gerard.sadlier at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I prefer Omnipage to Abbyy. I particularly like that I can convert
>> batches of files, directly from Windows Explorer, using an Omnipage
>> sub-menu on the file menu.
>>
>> Ensure that if you use Omnipage, it is set up so that you can convert
>> directly from the file menu. That way it is very simple and
>> straightforward to use.
>>
>> Let me know if I can help any further.
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Ger
>>
>> On 1/12/20, Seif-Eldeen Saqallah via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>> I have used it, but prefer abbyy instead:
>>> more languages, file types, larger file batches, ETC.
>>> There is an issue with Abby though: it will not convert password
>>> protected pdf files; Omnipage seemed to do that, unless I am mistaken.
>>>
>>> ABBYY FineReader | FineReader 15 The Smarter PDF Solution
>>> https://www.abbyy.com/en-us/finereader/
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Seif
>>>
>>> On 1/12/20, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I've been using Finereader for my batch conversion needs at work, but
>>>> we may need to stop using that program.  Has anyone had success with
>>>> Omnipage to perform this task?  Namely, is it accessible, quick, and
>>>> able to convert large files to word docs without truncating them?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Laura
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> BlindLaw mailing list
>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> BlindLaw:
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/seifs%40umich.edu
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Seif Saqallah
>>> (Pronouns: he/him/his.)
>>> University of Michigan
>>> Juris Doctor/
>>> Masters in Middle Eastern and North African Studies
>>> J.D/M.A Candidate | 2021
>>>
>>> International studies, Arabic Studies, and Judaic Studies;
>>> Law, Justice, and Social Change
>>> B.A | 2017
>>>
>>> 248-325-7091
>>> seifs at umich.edu
>>>
>>> Student Attorney | International Transactions Clinic
>>> University of Michigan Law School
>>> 3120 Jeffries Hall
>>> 701 South State Street
>>> Ann Arbor, Michigan 48109
>>> www.law.umich.edu/ITC
>>>
>>> The information in this transmittal (including attachments, if any) is
>>> confidential and may contain privileged information. If you are not
>>> the intended recipient and have received this transmittal in error,
>>> please notify the sender immediately by reply email, delete this
>>> communication, and destroy all copies of the transmittal (including
>>> attachments, if any).
>>>
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>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Seif Saqallah
> (Pronouns: he/him/his.)
> University of Michigan
> Juris Doctor/
> Masters in Middle Eastern and North African Studies
> J.D/M.A Candidate | 2021
>
> International studies, Arabic Studies, and Judaic Studies;
> Law, Justice, and Social Change
> B.A | 2017
>
> 248-325-7091
> seifs at umich.edu
>
> Student Attorney | International Transactions Clinic
> University of Michigan Law School
> 3120 Jeffries Hall
> 701 South State Street
> Ann Arbor, Michigan 48109
> www.law.umich.edu/ITC
>
> The information in this transmittal (including attachments, if any) is
> confidential and may contain privileged information. If you are not
> the intended recipient and have received this transmittal in error,
> please notify the sender immediately by reply email, delete this
> communication, and destroy all copies of the transmittal (including
> attachments, if any).
>


From BrianUnitt at holsteinlaw.com  Mon Jan 13 02:18:36 2020
From: BrianUnitt at holsteinlaw.com (Brian Unitt)
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 02:18:36 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] using omnipage to convert pdfs to word
In-Reply-To: <CAGZitzLPuH5vzWv=5cZw+JS_zVMiouWAQqti+i1rtdKJFcma6Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHG6wD7-sa3a0_H17yJ+KMUZzHPkRn8gp_=g_nVDmz63XN2b1w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+3kOQeNgokwX+SYinXyrMb4gLRZ+G6neDtt-S80dczRJ4oXng@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGZitzLPuH5vzWv=5cZw+JS_zVMiouWAQqti+i1rtdKJFcma6Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <428f767b3d2e4275b73553175dbb033a@holsteinlaw.com>

I use it the same way as Ger, from the file menu as a right click option. I have had a license for Omni-page for the last 5 or so years and find it to be fast, accurate, and pretty easy to use. 

Brian
Brian C. Unitt
Certified Specialist in Appellate Law
State Bar of California, Board of Legal Specialization

Holstein, Taylor and Unitt
A Professional Corporation
4300 Latham Street, Suite 103
Riverside, CA 92501
P: 951-682-7030
F: 951-684-8061
E: brianunitt at holsteinlaw.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw
Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 10:44 AM
To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Gerard Sadlier <gerard.sadlier at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [blindLaw] using omnipage to convert pdfs to word

I prefer Omnipage to Abbyy. I particularly like that I can convert batches of files, directly from Windows Explorer, using an Omnipage sub-menu on the file menu.

Ensure that if you use Omnipage, it is set up so that you can convert directly from the file menu. That way it is very simple and straightforward to use.

Let me know if I can help any further.

Kind regards

Ger

On 1/12/20, Seif-Eldeen Saqallah via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I have used it, but prefer abbyy instead:
> more languages, file types, larger file batches, ETC.
> There is an issue with Abby though: it will not convert password 
> protected pdf files; Omnipage seemed to do that, unless I am mistaken.
>
> ABBYY FineReader | FineReader 15 The Smarter PDF Solution 
> https://www.abbyy.com/en-us/finereader/
>
> Sincerely,
> Seif
>
> On 1/12/20, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I've been using Finereader for my batch conversion needs at work, but 
>> we may need to stop using that program.  Has anyone had success with 
>> Omnipage to perform this task?  Namely, is it accessible, quick, and 
>> able to convert large files to word docs without truncating them?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Laura
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> BlindLaw mailing list
>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> BlindLaw:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/seifs%40umich.e
>> du
>>
>
>
> --
> Seif Saqallah
> (Pronouns: he/him/his.)
> University of Michigan
> Juris Doctor/
> Masters in Middle Eastern and North African Studies J.D/M.A Candidate 
> | 2021
>
> International studies, Arabic Studies, and Judaic Studies; Law, 
> Justice, and Social Change B.A | 2017
>
> 248-325-7091
> seifs at umich.edu
>
> Student Attorney | International Transactions Clinic University of 
> Michigan Law School
> 3120 Jeffries Hall
> 701 South State Street
> Ann Arbor, Michigan 48109
> www.law.umich.edu/ITC
>
> The information in this transmittal (including attachments, if any) is 
> confidential and may contain privileged information. If you are not 
> the intended recipient and have received this transmittal in error, 
> please notify the sender immediately by reply email, delete this 
> communication, and destroy all copies of the transmittal (including 
> attachments, if any).
>
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> 0gmail.com
>

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From laura.wolk at gmail.com  Mon Jan 13 06:29:28 2020
From: laura.wolk at gmail.com (Laura Wolk)
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 01:29:28 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] using omnipage to convert pdfs to word
In-Reply-To: <428f767b3d2e4275b73553175dbb033a@holsteinlaw.com>
References: <428f767b3d2e4275b73553175dbb033a@holsteinlaw.com>
Message-ID: <E5910BEB-C00F-4465-A7D3-DBAF86EDD2F3@gmail.com>

This is all really helpful. If I just need to convert one file in FineReader, I go to the context menu in the folder where the file resides and select the option convert with findReader . So I never actually have to open the PDF. Can you do something similar with OmniPage? Is that what you all are referring to with right clicking from the file menu? Also, could somebody write me off list and explain to me how you batch convert files using either program? meaning, how do you select the files that you want to convert in the batch?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 12, 2020, at 9:19 PM, Brian Unitt via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I use it the same way as Ger, from the file menu as a right click option. I have had a license for Omni-page for the last 5 or so years and find it to be fast, accurate, and pretty easy to use. 
> 
> Brian
> Brian C. Unitt
> Certified Specialist in Appellate Law
> State Bar of California, Board of Legal Specialization
> 
> Holstein, Taylor and Unitt
> A Professional Corporation
> 4300 Latham Street, Suite 103
> Riverside, CA 92501
> P: 951-682-7030
> F: 951-684-8061
> E: brianunitt at holsteinlaw.com
> www.holsteinlaw.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Gerard Sadlier via BlindLaw
> Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 10:44 AM
> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Gerard Sadlier <gerard.sadlier at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] using omnipage to convert pdfs to word
> 
> I prefer Omnipage to Abbyy. I particularly like that I can convert batches of files, directly from Windows Explorer, using an Omnipage sub-menu on the file menu.
> 
> Ensure that if you use Omnipage, it is set up so that you can convert directly from the file menu. That way it is very simple and straightforward to use.
> 
> Let me know if I can help any further.
> 
> Kind regards
> 
> Ger
> 
>> On 1/12/20, Seif-Eldeen Saqallah via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I have used it, but prefer abbyy instead:
>> more languages, file types, larger file batches, ETC.
>> There is an issue with Abby though: it will not convert password 
>> protected pdf files; Omnipage seemed to do that, unless I am mistaken.
>> 
>> ABBYY FineReader | FineReader 15 The Smarter PDF Solution 
>> https://www.abbyy.com/en-us/finereader/
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> Seif
>> 
>>> On 1/12/20, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I've been using Finereader for my batch conversion needs at work, but 
>>> we may need to stop using that program.  Has anyone had success with 
>>> Omnipage to perform this task?  Namely, is it accessible, quick, and 
>>> able to convert large files to word docs without truncating them?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Laura
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> BlindLaw mailing list
>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> BlindLaw:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/seifs%40umich.e
>>> du
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Seif Saqallah
>> (Pronouns: he/him/his.)
>> University of Michigan
>> Juris Doctor/
>> Masters in Middle Eastern and North African Studies J.D/M.A Candidate 
>> | 2021
>> 
>> International studies, Arabic Studies, and Judaic Studies; Law, 
>> Justice, and Social Change B.A | 2017
>> 
>> 248-325-7091
>> seifs at umich.edu
>> 
>> Student Attorney | International Transactions Clinic University of 
>> Michigan Law School
>> 3120 Jeffries Hall
>> 701 South State Street
>> Ann Arbor, Michigan 48109
>> www.law.umich.edu/ITC
>> 
>> The information in this transmittal (including attachments, if any) is 
>> confidential and may contain privileged information. If you are not 
>> the intended recipient and have received this transmittal in error, 
>> please notify the sender immediately by reply email, delete this 
>> communication, and destroy all copies of the transmittal (including 
>> attachments, if any).
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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From NSingh at cov.com  Mon Jan 13 14:00:47 2020
From: NSingh at cov.com (Singh, Nandini)
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 14:00:47 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] using omnipage to convert pdfs to word
In-Reply-To: <E5910BEB-C00F-4465-A7D3-DBAF86EDD2F3@gmail.com>
References: <428f767b3d2e4275b73553175dbb033a@holsteinlaw.com>
	<E5910BEB-C00F-4465-A7D3-DBAF86EDD2F3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6349b31372764af280747d44d6e8a4ee@CBIvEX04eUS.cov.com>

I can convert a file without opening it.  Using File Explorer, I select the file to convert, bring up the OmniPage menu by pressing the applications key, and specify which format I would like the new file: Word, text, and inexplicably Word Perfect, among others.

For me, batching works similarly, I select a group of files that I want to convert, bring up the OmniPage menu, and specify the format.  This can run in the background while I do something else, such as read email or do research on Westlaw.

I will say, however, that cleaner quality files always work better, otherwise I sometimes have to be responsive to snags in the form of various dialogue boxes that pop up informing me of apparent language issues and OCR failures.  These are easily overwritten, and the conversion can proceed by hitting "okay" or "continue."  The major issues arise with poor quality documents several thousand pages in length, as you may find with administrative records.  These take a very long time to be converted, but one solution that works moderately well is breaking up the document into smaller segments, something that an assistant or paralegal could do as a preliminary step.

Regards,
Nikki

-----Original Message-----
From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Laura Wolk via BlindLaw
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 1:29 AM
To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [blindLaw] using omnipage to convert pdfs to word

[EXTERNAL]

This is all really helpful. If I just need to convert one file in FineReader, I go to the context menu in the folder where the file resides and select the option convert with findReader . So I never actually have to open the PDF. Can you do something similar with OmniPage? Is that what you all are referring to with right clicking from the file menu? Also, could somebody write me off list and explain to me how you batch convert files using either program? meaning, how do you select the files that you want to convert in the batch?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 12, 2020, at 9:19 PM, Brian Unitt via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> I use it the same way as Ger, from the file menu as a right click option. I have had a license for Omni-page for the last 5 or so years and find it to be fast, accurate, and pretty easy to use.
>
> Brian
> Brian C. Unitt
> Certified Specialist in Appellate Law
> State Bar of California, Board of Legal Specialization
>
> Holstein, Taylor and Unitt
> A Professional Corporation
> 4300 Latham Street, Suite 103
> Riverside, CA 92501
> P: 951-682-7030
> F: 951-684-8061
> E: brianunitt at holsteinlaw.com
> www.holsteinlaw.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Gerard 
> Sadlier via BlindLaw
> Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 10:44 AM
> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Gerard Sadlier <gerard.sadlier at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] using omnipage to convert pdfs to word
>
> I prefer Omnipage to Abbyy. I particularly like that I can convert batches of files, directly from Windows Explorer, using an Omnipage sub-menu on the file menu.
>
> Ensure that if you use Omnipage, it is set up so that you can convert directly from the file menu. That way it is very simple and straightforward to use.
>
> Let me know if I can help any further.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Ger
>
>> On 1/12/20, Seif-Eldeen Saqallah via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I have used it, but prefer abbyy instead:
>> more languages, file types, larger file batches, ETC.
>> There is an issue with Abby though: it will not convert password 
>> protected pdf files; Omnipage seemed to do that, unless I am mistaken.
>>
>> ABBYY FineReader | FineReader 15 The Smarter PDF Solution 
>> https://www.abbyy.com/en-us/finereader/
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Seif
>>
>>> On 1/12/20, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I've been using Finereader for my batch conversion needs at work, 
>>> but we may need to stop using that program.  Has anyone had success 
>>> with Omnipage to perform this task?  Namely, is it accessible, 
>>> quick, and able to convert large files to word docs without truncating them?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Laura
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> BlindLaw mailing list
>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info 
>>> for
>>> BlindLaw:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/seifs%40umich.
>>> e
>>> du
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Seif Saqallah
>> (Pronouns: he/him/his.)
>> University of Michigan
>> Juris Doctor/
>> Masters in Middle Eastern and North African Studies J.D/M.A Candidate
>> | 2021
>>
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From NSingh at cov.com  Mon Jan 13 14:02:52 2020
From: NSingh at cov.com (Singh, Nandini)
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 14:02:52 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Braille Displays
Message-ID: <b79ecf67166e4decb8a8dbbf4405cbfe@CBIvEX04eUS.cov.com>

All,

My Braille Note Apex may be near to expiring.  Depending on the diagnostic report from Humanware, I may be in the market for a refreshable Braille device.  I am thinking of purchasing a display and not a note taker, but I have a few questions since I have not spent much time with a Braille display:

First, I have not gotten around to learning UEB, so I am wondering how displays support, if at all, the legacy American English literary code.  Is there a setting in the display firmware I can adjust, or is there a special driver I would need in my PC or iPhone to enable the older literary code?

Do people tend to have one display for the computer and a smaller, portable one for the iPhone/iPad?  Do you instead use the same one for multiple devices, and if so, I assume you cycle useages sequentially?  Can you tell me how you negotiate the transition from proofing a document on your PC to reading shortly thereafter an email on your phone's gmail app, as a for instance?

Criminal defense attorneys and litigators, can you generally please describe how and where you use a Braile display.  Note taking, depositions/witness interviews, oral arguments, settlement meetings, etc.  Let me know also the  model of the display, the number of cells, and how you like its performance.

Many thanks,
Nikki

Nandini Singh

Covington & Burling LLP
One CityCenter, 850 Tenth Street, NW
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From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 13 14:14:47 2020
From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj)
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2020 14:14:47 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] using omnipage to convert pdfs to word
In-Reply-To: <6349b31372764af280747d44d6e8a4ee@CBIvEX04eUS.cov.com>
References: <428f767b3d2e4275b73553175dbb033a@holsteinlaw.com>
	<E5910BEB-C00F-4465-A7D3-DBAF86EDD2F3@gmail.com>
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I have a question here. I realize that it is not relevant to Laura's
question, so feel free to write me off-list to answer it, so as to
prevent a digression. I believe I have also raised it before but have
never received a convincing response, perhaps because one does not
exist.

Given that the conversion of documents using any OCR solutions results
in page numbers often getting muffed up in the end product, how are
you able to negotiate that situation? As also footnote numbers and
other particulars such as dates and para numbers.

I often find that I have to make the best guess as to what footnote is
referred to in the text, because JAWS will say something like
"footnote 5I". So the footnote numbers do not remain clean and clear
in the final word product that emerges post-conversion. Sometimes, a
certain page simply does not have footnotes at the end of it.

Am I correct in assuming that there is simply no substitute for
competent and efficient sighted assistance in such cases?

Best,
Rahul

On 13/01/2020, Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I can convert a file without opening it.  Using File Explorer, I select the
> file to convert, bring up the OmniPage menu by pressing the applications
> key, and specify which format I would like the new file: Word, text, and
> inexplicably Word Perfect, among others.
>
> For me, batching works similarly, I select a group of files that I want to
> convert, bring up the OmniPage menu, and specify the format.  This can run
> in the background while I do something else, such as read email or do
> research on Westlaw.
>
> I will say, however, that cleaner quality files always work better,
> otherwise I sometimes have to be responsive to snags in the form of various
> dialogue boxes that pop up informing me of apparent language issues and OCR
> failures.  These are easily overwritten, and the conversion can proceed by
> hitting "okay" or "continue."  The major issues arise with poor quality
> documents several thousand pages in length, as you may find with
> administrative records.  These take a very long time to be converted, but
> one solution that works moderately well is breaking up the document into
> smaller segments, something that an assistant or paralegal could do as a
> preliminary step.
>
> Regards,
> Nikki
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Laura Wolk via
> BlindLaw
> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2020 1:29 AM
> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] using omnipage to convert pdfs to word
>
> [EXTERNAL]
>
> This is all really helpful. If I just need to convert one file in
> FineReader, I go to the context menu in the folder where the file resides
> and select the option convert with findReader . So I never actually have to
> open the PDF. Can you do something similar with OmniPage? Is that what you
> all are referring to with right clicking from the file menu? Also, could
> somebody write me off list and explain to me how you batch convert files
> using either program? meaning, how do you select the files that you want to
> convert in the batch?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 12, 2020, at 9:19 PM, Brian Unitt via BlindLaw
>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> I use it the same way as Ger, from the file menu as a right click option.
>> I have had a license for Omni-page for the last 5 or so years and find it
>> to be fast, accurate, and pretty easy to use.
>>
>> Brian
>> Brian C. Unitt
>> Certified Specialist in Appellate Law
>> State Bar of California, Board of Legal Specialization
>>
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>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Gerard
>> Sadlier via BlindLaw
>> Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 10:44 AM
>> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Gerard Sadlier <gerard.sadlier at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] using omnipage to convert pdfs to word
>>
>> I prefer Omnipage to Abbyy. I particularly like that I can convert batches
>> of files, directly from Windows Explorer, using an Omnipage sub-menu on
>> the file menu.
>>
>> Ensure that if you use Omnipage, it is set up so that you can convert
>> directly from the file menu. That way it is very simple and
>> straightforward to use.
>>
>> Let me know if I can help any further.
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Ger
>>
>>> On 1/12/20, Seif-Eldeen Saqallah via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> I have used it, but prefer abbyy instead:
>>> more languages, file types, larger file batches, ETC.
>>> There is an issue with Abby though: it will not convert password
>>> protected pdf files; Omnipage seemed to do that, unless I am mistaken.
>>>
>>> ABBYY FineReader | FineReader 15 The Smarter PDF Solution
>>> https://www.abbyy.com/en-us/finereader/
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Seif
>>>
>>>> On 1/12/20, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I've been using Finereader for my batch conversion needs at work,
>>>> but we may need to stop using that program.  Has anyone had success
>>>> with Omnipage to perform this task?  Namely, is it accessible,
>>>> quick, and able to convert large files to word docs without truncating
>>>> them?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Laura
>>>>
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>>> Justice, and Social Change B.A | 2017
>>>
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Candidate for the MPhil in Law
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University of Oxford


From sanho817 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 15 15:13:00 2020
From: sanho817 at gmail.com (Sanho Steele-Louchart)
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 09:13:00 -0600
Subject: [blindLaw] JAWS Question
Message-ID: <CAL6jpey1z5J+kwTmWkT3A80q=Nzua+L_We7NAdhMH_27cc4E5g@mail.gmail.com>

All,

JAWS is only reading one of the columns in a two column Word document.
It changes from section to section, but I can't figure out how to get
it to read both columns consistently. Any ideas?

Sanho


From amatney at loeb.com  Wed Jan 15 17:46:25 2020
From: amatney at loeb.com (Angela Matney)
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 17:46:25 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] JAWS Question
In-Reply-To: <CAL6jpey1z5J+kwTmWkT3A80q=Nzua+L_We7NAdhMH_27cc4E5g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAL6jpey1z5J+kwTmWkT3A80q=Nzua+L_We7NAdhMH_27cc4E5g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1BAC65FD6F6D1140A9F58F9D21A1A53924783CA6@SM-EXMAIL03.loeb.com>

What I sometimes do is to use the read-by-sentence commands, alt+ up or down arrow, rather than just using the arrows to read the document. You can also turn on quick keys (insert + z) and read by paragraph (p to advance to the next paragraph, shift+ p to go to the previous paragraph).

You can also go to the end of the column and use control plus right arrow after the last word in the column to continue to the top of the next column.

Good luck.


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All,

JAWS is only reading one of the columns in a two column Word document.
It changes from section to section, but I can't figure out how to get
it to read both columns consistently. Any ideas?

Sanho

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From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com  Thu Jan 16 20:55:27 2020
From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier)
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 20:55:27 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Relativity with JAWS
In-Reply-To: <1f489d19-8494-c106-0aa9-382966a3d7d1@yahoo.com>
References: <b37f5cc717b34bec93ea059392d80060@BrooksPierce.com>
	<1f489d19-8494-c106-0aa9-382966a3d7d1@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAGZitzJvf6SL6ujJJdBpST_-WLw9bNoyy9c+Q0M4uCFQFFhM4A@mail.gmail.com>

Hello

Has nobody any comments on this at all? I do recall some threads on
this some time ago now which I have reviewed but I'm keen to
understand the state of the art!

Kind regards

GEr

On 10/4/19, James T. Fetter via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Thank you; this is very helpful! I may have some additional thoughts
> and/or be in touch off list soon, because I will be oriented to
> Relativity today.
>
> On 10/4/2019 9:03 AM, Elizabeth Troutman via BlindLaw wrote:
>> I find Relativity itself to be pretty clunky and difficult. But, after the
>> documents are loaded, I can have a paralegal generate an excel file with
>> the documents OCR'd and linked into the excel file. The excel contains any
>> labels/tagging that has been done - e.g. for email, it would have "to" in
>> one column, "from" in another column, etc. etc. I can then type in tags
>> and attorney notes. The excel file then gets run back through Relativity
>> and the tags/notes appear. So, then we can spit out a set of responsive
>> documents for example. Or, if I've tagged them for somebody's deposition,
>> spit out just those documents, with an accompanying excel file, so I can
>> continue to annotate. If we're working firm-wide on a doc review, I can
>> have it spit out just my "batches" and do the tagging in accordance with
>> whatever the guidelines are, and when it gets run back through, it looks
>> like everyone else's batches do. Obviously, it would be better if we
>> didn't have to do this whole process, but it's a work-around that has
>> allowed me to do e-discovery. If you want more help with this, feel free
>> to call - I can also put you in touch with our litigation support person
>> who could explain it in computer jargon.
>>
>> Elizabeth
>> Troutman<http://www.brookspierce.com/our-people/attorneys/elizabeth-l-troutman>
>>
>> [cid:image001.jpg at 01D57A92.8DA4F670]<http://www.brookspierce.com/>
>>
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>> f: 336.232.9138
>>
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>>
>>
>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of
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>> 1. Re: Relativity with JAWS (Gerard Sadlier)
>> 2. Re: Most important formatting advice I have -- Re:
>> Discrimination (Scott Marshall)
>> 3. Re: Most important formatting advice I have -- Re:
>> Discrimination (Lakeria Taylor)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2019 07:44:47 +0100
>> From: Gerard Sadlier
>> <gerard.sadlier at gmail.com<mailto:gerard.sadlier at gmail.com>>
>> To: Blind Law Mailing List
>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>
>> Cc: "Stewart, Christopher K"
>> <chris.stewart at uky.edu<mailto:chris.stewart at uky.edu>>
>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Relativity with JAWS
>> Message-ID:
>> <CAGZitzJa-hPHaXJWsh8rAnefbLQutiCBGjg_8SDwLu5Q4PoQiw at mail.gmail.com<mailto:CAGZitzJa-hPHaXJWsh8rAnefbLQutiCBGjg_8SDwLu5Q4PoQiw at mail.gmail.com>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>
>> I would also be very interested in any information regarding this!
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Ger
>>
>> On 9/27/19, Stewart, Christopher K via BlindLaw
>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>> Hi Y'all,
>>>
>>> I remember some talk a few years ago about using Relativity with JAWS.
>>> Has anyone got more recent information on whether it's in any way
>>> accessible?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2019 08:51:11 +0000
>> From: Scott Marshall
>> <marshall at blindlawyers.org<mailto:marshall at blindlawyers.org>>
>> To: Blind Law Mailing List
>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>
>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Most important formatting advice I have -- Re:
>> Discrimination
>> Message-ID:
>> <BN8PR18MB2819525D863428DF5E942EFBA09E0 at BN8PR18MB2819.namprd18.prod.outlook.com<mailto:BN8PR18MB2819525D863428DF5E942EFBA09E0 at BN8PR18MB2819.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>>
>>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Laura and everyone:
>> Thank you! This email thread has been invaluable. My biggest word
>> processing challenge is screwing up the formatting of documents that I did
>> not create originally. I have not made the changes suggested here as yet,
>> but it is on my to-do list for today for sure.
>> Now if we only had a good solution for the track changes problem.
>> The days of being the only author on a document are over.
>> Thanks again.
>> Scott
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindLaw
>> <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org>> On
>> Behalf Of Will Burley via BlindLaw
>> Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2019 12:28 AM
>> To: Blind Law Mailing List
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>> Cc: Will Burley <will.burley3 at gmail.com<mailto:will.burley3 at gmail.com>>
>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Most important formatting advice I have -- Re:
>> Discrimination
>>
>> This conversation has been very welcomed!
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 9:43 PM Farber, Randy via BlindLaw <
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>
>>> Laura - I am not in a place where I can double check, but I often use
>>> paste special as text when I copy from programs. In Word the
>>> keystrokes are to copy the text onto the clipboard and move to where
>>> you want the text copied press Alt,e,s,u,u [do not press the commas,
>>> just press the letters consecutively )
>>>
>>> I think this will copy the text using the format of the document into
>>> which it is pasted.
>>>
>>> Is this your experience.
>>>
>>> There are also two keystrokes that I think help.
>>> If you highlight text and then press Alt+space the formatting of the
>>> text is removed.
>>> There is a similar command to remove the paragraph formatting, but I
>>> don't remember it right now.
>>>
>>> Randy
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: BlindLaw
>>> <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org>> On
>>> Behalf Of Laura Wolk
>>> via BlindLaw
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2019 5:13 PM
>>> To: Kelby Carlson
>>> <kelbycarlson at gmail.com<mailto:kelbycarlson at gmail.com>>
>>> Cc: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com<mailto:laura.wolk at gmail.com>>; Blind
>>> Law Mailing List <
>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>
>>> Subject: [blindLaw] Most important formatting advice I have -- Re:
>>> Discrimination
>>>
>>> **RECEIVED FROM EXTERNAL SENDER ? USE CAUTION**
>>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> I am sharing this on list because I've gotten a few off-list responses
>>> like the below message, and I want to make sure that everyone gets
>>> this info. In my opinion, it's the biggest way to rid docs of
>>> blindness-only formatting errors.
>>>
>>> By default, when you cut and paste into a word document from another
>>> document, program, or website, Word will retain the original
>>> formatting from that pasted text. That means that if you're fiile is
>>> in Times New Roman size 12, but the text you paste is Calibri size 10,
>>> you will be plopping a different font and size into your doc, and
>>> anything you write going forward will be in that font and size. Same
>>> goes for spacing, color, and any number of other attributes from
>>> pasted text. My biggest piece of advice, and the advice I repeat most
>>> often to blind folks, is to **turn this setting off!!.** It only
>>> causes problems. And, in the rare instance where you do need to
>>> preserve the original formatting, you can hit control immediately
>>> after pasting and choose "keep source formatting," and any special
>>> formatting will be retained.
>>>
>>> With so many iterations of word these days, I don't feel comfortable
>>> typing out directions. But go spElunking in your ADVANCED word
>>> options, Google, call Microsoft, whatever you need to do to find it.
>>> Also note that there are two boxes, one for pasting between documents
>>> and one for pasting between programs. They should both be set to
>>> merge formatting. And while you're at it, turn off auto bullets and
>>> auto numbering, and check the box that says "set left- and right-
>>> indent with tabs and backspaces." This will mean you'll need to press
>>> tab every time you start a new paragraph. However, it will also mean
>>> that you won't have paragraphs randomly indented a third of the way
>>> into the page because Word decided to do something stupid using its
>>> very smart "auto" features.
>>>
>>> Also be aware that you will have to do this separately in outlook as
>>> well. Though it uses Word as a text processor, it has its own set of
>>> options.
>>>
>>> Anyway, in the words of the infomercials, you should **immediately**
>>> see **vast** and **life-changing** results! All kidding aside,
>>> though, this is the first thing I do whenever I get a new job or
>>> computer, and it has made an absolute world of difference to me and
>>> the amount of errors that sighted folks need to fix.
>>>
>>> Happy formatting,
>>> Laura
>>>
>>> On 10/2/19, Kelby Carlson
>>> <kelbycarlson at gmail.com<mailto:kelbycarlson at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> Laura,
>>>>
>>>> This is definitely helpful. I admit I am not proficient at using a
>>>> Braille display with my screen reader, and I'm sure this would be
>>>> helpful. Do you use UEB to proof for things like formatting? In my
>>>> experience it gives far more specific results than regular US braille.
>>>> I assume you would still need some formatting such as fonts and
>>>> colors spoken. (I only recently figured out that oftentimes color is
>>>> included in things I copy and paste which ends up making certain
>>>> sections of documents look very odd; thankfully my office is pretty
>>>> good at bringing these formatting errors to my attention.)
>>>>
>>>> Hopefully these questions aren't bothersome; I have definitely
>>>> realized how important these factors are since beginning work and I
>>>> am still working out the best way of ensuring visual consistency in
>>>> my documents.
>>>>
>>>> On 10/2/19, Laura Wolk
>>>> <laura.wolk at gmail.com<mailto:laura.wolk at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> Kelby,
>>>>>
>>>>> A nonbreaking space, like a nonbreaking hyphen, means that word
>>>>> wrap will not break up whatever is on either side of it. So, for
>>>>> instance, if you had the word burden--shifting, and for some reason
>>>>> burden ended up on one line and shifting on another, you'd replace
>>>>> the dash with a nonbreaking hyphen so that the word wouldn't be
>>>>> chopped. A nonbreaking space is, in my experience, customarily
>>>>> used between section and paragraph symbols and the number so as to
>>>>> keep the two together. It's also used in between the periods of an
>>>>> ellipsis. This all depends on the custom of the firm or court you
>>>>> work for, of course. There is a setting in Jaws that is supposed
>>>>> to read out nonbreaking characters (you can find it by activating
>>>>> quick settings and typing in the word breaking), but this is
>>>>> currently not functioning. Vispero is aware and has escalated it.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for formatting, I do most of my proofing in Braille. But I have
>>>>> turned on the setting where Jaws will tell me when spacing changes,
>>>>> which I find very helpful. I also have punctuation set to some,
>>>>> but I've added some customary marks into that, like quotation marks.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope this is helpful.
>>>>>
>>>>> Laura
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/2/19, kelby carlson via BlindLaw
>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>>>>> How much formatting information do you all have your screen reader
>>>>>> read as you are reading through a text? I now have mine set up to
>>>>>> read close to everything while I'm in Word, and while it is kind
>>>>>> of distracting it seems necessary for proofing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would love to know if there is anywhere that discusses the
>>>>>> different kinds of hyphens and when to use them. And I have no
>>>>>> idea what a non-breaking space is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Oct 1, 2019, at 6:53 PM, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw
>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Great I?m glad the workaround is working again! By the way you
>>>>>>> can
>>> also
>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>> this to make Jaws pronounce non-breaking spaces, which also got
>>>>>>> broken somewhere along the way.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Oct 1, 2019, at 6:40 PM, Angela Matney via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Laura, I have Word 2016. I just changed the entries for \8220
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> \8221
>>>>>>>> to left quote and right quote, respectively, in WordClassic.jdf.
>>>>>>>> By default, both were set to the quote symbol (not sure which
>>>>>>>> one). The changes seem to have taken. I think I will have to
>>>>>>>> make sure I do
>>> this
>>>>>>>> for other dictionary files as well. Hopefully it works for you
>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/well.+Hopefully+it+works+for+you?entry=gmail&source=g<https://www.google.com/maps/search/well.+Hopefully+it+works+for+you?entry=gmail&source=g>>.
>>> I?m
>>>>>>>> excited to have these pronounced differently.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Angie
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Angela Matney, CIPP/US
>>>>>>>> Attorney at Law
>>>>>>>> [Loeb & Loeb LLP]<http://www.loeb.com/<http://www.loeb.com/>> Loeb
>>>>>>>> and Loeb LLP
>>>>>>>> 901 New York Avenue NW, Suite 300 East | Washington, DC 20001
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: BlindLaw
>>>>>>>> <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org>> On
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Laura
>>>>>>>> Wolk via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2019 6:27 PM
>>>>>>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List
>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>
>>>>>>>> Cc: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com<mailto:laura.wolk at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Discrimination
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Great! I will try again tomorrow. I just updated again today. I
>>>>>>>> have ms word 2016, but I don't see why that would affect the
>>>>>>>> dictionary manager.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Oct 1, 2019, at 6:09 PM, Brian Unitt via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Laura,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, the most recent update of JAWS 2019 and office 365.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Brian
>>>>>>>>> Brian C. Unitt
>>>>>>>>> Certified Specialist in Appellate Law By The State Bar of
>>>>>>>>> California Holstein, Taylor and Unitt A Professional
>>>>>>>>> Corporation
>>>>>>>>> 4300 Latham Street, Suite 103
>>>>>>>>> Riverside, CA 92501
>>>>>>>>> Tel: 951-682-7030
>>>>>>>>> Fax: 951-684-8061
>>>>>>>>> www.holsteinlaw.com<http://www.holsteinlaw.com>
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.holsteinlaw.com<BR>><http://www.holsteinlaw.com<BR>>>>mailto:
>>> brianunitt at holsteinlaw.com<mailto:brianunitt at holsteinlaw.com>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> <mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org%0b>>
>> >>>>>> >>
>>> On
>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Laura Wolk via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2019 3:02 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List
>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cc: Laura Wolk
>>>>>>>>> <laura.wolk at gmail.com<mailto:laura.wolk at gmail.com<mailto:laura.wolk at gmail.com%3cmailto:laura.wolk at gmail.com>>>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Discrimination
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Brian,
>>>>>>>>> I used to do this, but I mentioned in an earlier message that
>>>>>>>>> I'm no longer able to get the dictionary to change those
>>>>>>>>> pronunciations.
>>>>>>>>> I've
>>>>>>>>> tole Vispero and they've replicated it. Are you using the
>>>>>>>>> latest version of Jaws and is it working for you?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 1, 2019, at 5:54 PM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It also does this if the document is an email attachment and
>>>>>>>>>> viewed in html form.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 1, 2019, at 10:37 PM, Angela Matney via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I have found that JAWS will do this if you have smart quotes
>>>>>>>>>>> in a text file in notepad. I wish it did it in Word and
>>>>>>>>>>> outlook. Since it does do it in Notepad, it seems it would
>>>>>>>>>>> not be that difficult to port the behavior over to the Office
>>>>>>>>>>> products.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.o
>> <mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.o%0b>>
>> >>>>>>>> rg>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Laura Wolk
>>>>>>>>>>> via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2019 4:35 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List
>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Laura Wolk
>>>>>>>>>>> <laura.wolk at gmail.com<mailto:laura.wolk at gmail.com
>> <mailto:laura.wolk at gmail.com%3cmailto:laura.wolk at gmail.com%0b>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Discrimination
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Really? Not in my experience. Can you give us an example of
>>>>>>>>>>> what you mean?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/1/19, Brian Unitt via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:
>> <mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:%0b>>
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> JAWS does this as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Brian
>>>>>>>>>>>> Brian C. Unitt
>>>>>>>>>>>> Certified Specialist, Appellate Law The State Bar of
>>>>>>>>>>>> California Board of Legal Specialization
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Holstein, Taylor and Unitt
>>>>>>>>>>>> A Professional Corporation
>>>>>>>>>>>> 4300 Latham Street, Suite 103 Riverside, CA 92501
>>>>>>>>>>>> Tel: 951-682-7030
>>>>>>>>>>>> Fax: 951-684-8061
>>>>>>>>>>>> www.holsteinlaw.com<http://www.holsteinlaw.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.holsteinlaw.com<BR>>>>><http://www.holsteinlaw.com<BR>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.holsteinlaw.com<BR>><http://www.holsteinlaw.com<BR>>>>>mailto:
>>> brianunitt at holsteinlaw
>>>>>>>>>>>> <%3emailto:brianunitt at holsteinlaw%3cBR%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e> .com
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.
>> <mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.%0b>>
>> >>>>>>>>> org
>>> <mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.o
>> <mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.o%0b>>
>> rg
>>>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Kelby Carlson via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2019 10:30 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List
>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:
>> <mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:%0b>>
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Kelby Carlson
>>>>>>>>>>>> <kelbycarlson at gmail.com<mailto:kelbycarlson at gmail.com<mailto:
>> <mailto:kelbycarlson at gmail.com%3cmailto:kelbycarlson at gmail.com%3cmailto:%0b>>
>> kelbycarlson at gmail.com%3cmailto:kelbycarlson at gmail.com<mailto:kelbycarlson at gmail.com%3cmailto:kelbycarlson at gmail.com>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Discrimination
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> For anybody who uses NVDA, you can tell if a quote is a
>>>>>>>>>>>> smart quote because NVDA will say left/right quote, not just
>>>>>>>>>>>> quote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/28/19, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:
>> <mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:%0b>>
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fair point, Ger. And then to hold me accountable going
>>>>>>>>>>>>> forward
>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't fix them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/25/19, Gerard Sadlier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <gerard.sadlier at gmail.com<mailto:gerard.sadlier at gmail.com
>> <mailto:gerard.sadlier at gmail.com%3cmailto:gerard.sadlier at gmail.com%0b>>
>> <mailto:gerard.sadlier at gmail.com%3cmailto:gerard.sadlier at gmail.com>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Laura
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I must say, I think the appropriate course for your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> under-graduate Professors to have followed would have been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Mark on the substance (since to do otherwise would
>>> presumably
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effect your grades and therefore have a disproportionate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impact on your future); and 2. To tell you they were doing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so and why and explain the issues with content.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ger
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/24/19, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:
>> <mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:%0b>>
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right, exactly. I submitted paper upon paper upon paper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in undergrad with these errors. I was judged based on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "substance,"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because that's what the profs thought was "equitable." In
>>> fact,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it wasn't.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because no one's going to care about "equity" when you're
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tasked with drafting something for a client. This is why
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I really think this is in the back of people's minds...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how much extra work are we going to need to put in to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make her work look presentable?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And you are right, Angie. People just don't think to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tell. And they see this stuff and think, it'll only take
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a second for me to fix this... No harm, no foul.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My example is that I never had Braille marking/sound
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> schemes turned on for highlighting. I never really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought about highlighting.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But people at my Firm would highlight things that needed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be filled in when filing, such as the final word count
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the submission date. So although I would fill in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything, they were still in yellow. My assistant was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just changing everything.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After I had yet another uncomfortable conversation about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how I knew she thought she was helping, and I really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appreciated it, etc etc etc etc etc, she told me she'd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make sure to tell me if anything similar came up in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> future.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Laura
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/24/19, Laura Wolk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <laura.wolk at gmail.com<mailto:laura.wolk at gmail.com<mailto:
>> <mailto:laura.wolk at gmail.com%3cmailto:laura.wolk at gmail.com%3cmailto:%0b>>
>> laura.wolk at gmail.com%3cmailto:laura.wolk at gmail.com<mailto:laura.wolk at gmail.com%3cmailto:laura.wolk at gmail.com>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ha. You are all proving my point, sadly. The same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happened to me, except htat my law review editor pointed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it out. The same thing happens with an apostrophe. A
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "straight" apostrophe is ascii value 39, and curly smart
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> apostrophes are 8216 and
>>> 8217.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hate to tell you, Angie, but any apostrophes would have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> come out as straight when drafted in note pad too. This
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can also
>>> happen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when copy/pasting from Westlaw or briefs or pdfs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been asking people at Vispero to make it possible
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to customize the Jaws word dictionary so that you can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> add 34 and replace it with the word "straight quote" and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> likewise with the straight apostrophe.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This used to work, but doesn't anymore. But since Jaws
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems to be so tempermental these days, you might give
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it a go and see if it works for you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And no, there is no Braille differences between these
>>> symbols.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I, too, check for underlying ascii values. I also do a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> control+F
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before submitting any document, searching for a ^34 and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ^39.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Placing a caret before the number causes word to search
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the ascii value.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Laura
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/24/19, Sanho Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:
>> <mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:%0b>>
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fascinating. JAWS doesn't tell me there's any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> difference whatsoever.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How do you access the ASCII information? Similarly, how
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the world do we learn these things while we're still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in school?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sanho
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/24/19, Angela Matney via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:
>> <mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:%0b>>
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will do my best to describe them. I will only talk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about double quotes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Straight quotes are tapered, with the narrow end at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the bottom.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The widest point is at the top. There is only one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> symbol that represents the quotation mark, whether it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is an opening quote or a closing quote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Curly quotes are also tapered, with the narrow point
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at the bottom, but they are curved. The opening quote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is shaped similar to a print letter ?C,?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its curve facing to the right. The closing quote, on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the right of the enclosed material, is shaped like a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> backwards ?C,?
>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its curve faces to the left. It is almost like they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are enclosing the material.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I guess literary braille technically uses smart
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quotes, since the opening and closing quotes are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different. I guess you could use two apostrophes to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> represent both opening and closing quotes in braille,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I really don?t see that very often. I don?t think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> braille has an equivalent for the straight quote, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone please jump in and correct me
>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I?m wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?Here is a sentence enclosed in smart quotes.?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Here is a sentence enclosed in straight quotes."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I created the second sentence by typing in Notepad and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pasting it into this email.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you tell the difference?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Angela Matney, CIPP/US Attorney at Law [Loeb & Loeb
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LLP]<http://www.loeb.com/<http://www.loeb.com/>> Loeb and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Loeb LLP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 901 New York Avenue NW, Suite 300 East | Washington,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DC
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:
>> <mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:%0b>>
>> blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.or<mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.or>
>>>>>>>> <mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> <mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org%0b>>
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>>>>>>>> g>> On Behalf Of Ray Wayne via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2019 4:40 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:
>> <mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:%0b>>
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rwayne1 at nyc.rr.com<mailto:rwayne1 at nyc.rr.com<mailto<mailto:rwayne1 at nyc.rr.com%3cmailto:rwayne1 at nyc.rr.com%3cmailto>:
>>> rwayne1 at nyc.rr.com%3cmailto:rwayne1 at nyc.rr.com<mailto:rwayne1 at nyc.rr.com%3cmailto:rwayne1 at nyc.rr.com>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Discrimination
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was wondering that also. Is there a Braille symbol
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for a smart quote?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ray Wayne, New York City
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:
>> <mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:%0b>>
>> blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.or<mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.or>
>>>>>>>> <mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> <mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org%0b>>
>> %3cmailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.or%0b>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> g<mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw-bounces
>> <mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw-bounces%0b>> >>>>>
>> <mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org
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>> %3cmailto:blindlaw-bounces%0b>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> @nfbnet.org>>> On Behalf Of Shannon via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2019 4:18 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:
>> <mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:%0b>>
>> blindla
>>>>>>>> <mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>> <mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%0b>>
>> %3cmailto:blindla%0b>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> w at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:w at nfbnet.org%<mailto:w at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:w at nfbnet.org%25>
>>> 3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Shannon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sbg at sbgaal.com<mailto:sbg at sbgaal.com<mailto:
>> <mailto:sbg at sbgaal.com%3cmailto:sbg at sbgaal.com%3cmailto:%0b>>
>> sbg at sbgaal.com%3c<mailto:sbg at sbgaal.com%3c>
>>>>>>>> <mailto:sbg at sbgaal.com%3cmailto:sbg at sbgaal.com%
>> <mailto:sbg at sbgaal.com%3cmailto:sbg at sbgaal.com%25%0b>>
>> 3cmailto:sbg at sbgaal.com%3c%0b>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> mailto:sbg at sbgaal.com>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Discrimination
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry Laura,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I was trying to do too many things at once. My
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> question was regarding knowing the difference between
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a straight and smart quote/apostrophe?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am not sure I know what a smart quote is. Can you
>>> explain.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shannon Brady Geihsler
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1212 Texas Avenue
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lubbock, Texas 79401
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Office: (806) 763-3999
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mobile: (806) 781-9296
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fax: (806) 749-3752
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> E-Mail:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sbg at sbgaal.com<mailto:sbg at sbgaal.com<mailto:sbg at sbgaal<mailto:sbg at sbgaal.com%3cmailto:sbg at sbgaal.com%3cmailto:sbg at sbgaal>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .com
>>> %3cm<mailto:sbg at sbgaal.com%3cmailto:sbg at sbgaal.com%3cmailto:sbg at sbgaal
>> <mailto:sbg at sbgaal.com%3cmailto:sbg at sbgaal.com%3cmailto:sbg at sbgaal%0b>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ailto:sbg at sbgaal.com>> This email may contain material
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Laura Wolk via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2019 2:36 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Laura Wolk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Discrimination
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shannon, would you mind repeating your question? I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't quite understand what you are trying to ask.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As to the broader conversation, I think what I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trying to get at is that we have to face the sad but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> true reality that there are, in fact, blind attorneys
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out there who produce work of lesser visual quality,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whose firms or legal assistants or whatever come along
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> behind and clean up the work.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happens. And no one ever tells the person, so, as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Angie said, the person continues to remain unaware of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the errors they make over and over again, and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people continue to believe
>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the blind person is not as capable as the rest of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their peers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This has happened to me also. I have even had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conversations where I initially pressed the superior
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to give me blind specific feedback, they said nothing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was wrong, then I pressed and said "this is very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> important to me. Whatever you tell me, I will be able
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to figure out a way to address it." And then they did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give me some feedback.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> friend and former co-clerk works with a blind guy and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> noticed that his emails were formatted whackily. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> junior partner told my friend not to say anything but,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being friends with me, he knew it was the right thing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course, the blind attorney was very grateful and a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bit embarrassed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is the stuff I'm talking about. We need to be real
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> soft skills help we need, and we need to create
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> awareness that is indeed OK to tell a blind person
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Hey, Just an FYI, you are occasionally doing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something that makes your documents look strange."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Laura
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/24/19, Sanho Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:
>> <mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:%0b>>
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto>:
>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%25>
>>> 3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Laura and all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for such an enlightening discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surrounding employment discrimination. I have planned
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conversations with a couple of attorneys responsible
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for hiring associates
>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will ask them for more information. Laura, I will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> send you an email off-list to learn more from your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perspective.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Warmth,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sanho
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/24/19, Cody Davis via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:
>> <mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:%0b>>
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto>:
>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%25>
>>> 3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was able to secure a temporary position at my law
>>> school
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> following graduation and licensure. Now, that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> temporary position is ending next Monday. And,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> despite my wholehearted efforts over the last 6
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> months to find work, I have no employment lined up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Somewhat jokingly) I?m far too bitter at this point
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to sell someone on a career in law. I think Meredith
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and James have done an excellent job of giving you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all you should consider in looking to go to law school.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was initially reluctant to do any disability
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rights related work in law school because I did not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to be placed in that box either.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But, I looked for work in that area assuming that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> employers in that area might be a bit more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understanding and educated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was wrong. Do not assume that those who practice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disability rights law are any less susceptible to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the biases, misperceptions, or lack of understanding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that leads to employment discrimination.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the best thing to do, James, is to continue
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> educating folks on the reality that blind or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> visually impaired attorneys are as capable as their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sighted counterparts in all but a very few ways. My
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> local bar has created a Taskforce to address, among
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other issues, employment discrimination against
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> persons with disabilities in the legal profession.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We are trying to provide education to members of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bar on the capacity of lawyers with disabilities in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the hopes that this will alleviate some
>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the underlying causes of employment discrimination.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is done by presenting at meetings of the local
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bench and bar, hosting CLE?s, and publishing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> writings like the blog post linked below.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> https://www.wakecountybar.org/blogpost/727449/Professionalis<https://www.wakecountybar.org/blogpost/727449/Professionalis>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
>>> https://www.wakecountybar.org/blogpost/727449/Professionalis%3cBR%3e%3<https://www.wakecountybar.org/blogpost/727449/Professionalis%3cBR%3e%3>
>>> e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> m-Co
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mmitt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
>>> https://www.wakecountybar.org/blogpost/727449/Professionali<https://www.wakecountybar.org/blogpost/727449/Professionali>
>>>>>>>> <https://www.wakecountybar.org/blogpost/727449/Professionali<B<https://www.wakecountybar.org/blogpost/727449/Professionali<B>
>>>>>>>> R%3e
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e>
>>>>>>>> sm-C
>>>>>>>>>>> <
>>> https://www.wakecountybar.org/blogpost/727449/Professionalism-C<https://www.wakecountybar.org/blogpost/727449/Professionalism-C>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <%3e%3e%3cBR%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ommitt%3cBR%3e%3e%3e>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Maura Kutnyak via
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:
>> <mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:%0b>>
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto>:
>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%25>
>>> 3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cody, James, Meredith, what might you all offer as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good reasons for people like myself and Sanho
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pursuing a
>>> legal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> degree? I took the LSAT this past Saturday. I am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proud
>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that for whatever it?s worth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That said, it can be hard to persevere when such
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anecdotes provide a majority of what we used to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fill our sales.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, I have often been paranoid about the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> existence of
>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> phenomenon such as the one you indicate Cody. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have worried that someone will see my GPA and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> somehow assume that all of my professors have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> independently decided to be generous and grant
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> grades which I do not deserve. This
>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of course irrational but still what I?m hearing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> supports that fear.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am interested in a few different areas of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> law. I
>>> am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not particularly drawn to disability rights. One of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the reasons why is that I don?t want to be silo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into a field which others expect me to enter. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don?t want to be limited to practice law in an area
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> related to one of my most visible and perceptibly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> limiting characteristics.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All of that said, I can see how that may be the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> most excepting field of practice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Damn darn heck! Anyway, please forgive some of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dictation errors.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am following my one year-old around as I compose.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don?t have time to perfect this dispatch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks so much everyone for your insight.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maura Kutnyak
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 716-563-9882
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 1:52 PM, Cody Davis via
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>> <mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%0b>>
>> <mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:
>> <mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:%0b>>
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%25>
>>> 3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> James? point is spot on.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What I find even more disturbing than James?
>>> observation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is that the experience a blind candidate may
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> possess by way of externships and internships does
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not seem to assuage employers? concerns about the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> candidates?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ability
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to practice. Despite my four externships during
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> law school in which I was able to perform the work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assigned to the satisfaction of my supervisors, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think employers still doubt my abilities to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deliver the work they expect.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shouldn?t my history of success in the workplace
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence my ability to thrive in practice?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have also found that fellow attorneys and people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in general have no issue trusting that I am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> capable to do something, so long as I am not being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paid to do it. I have absolutely no problem
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> securing volunteer or community involvement
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opportunities. .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 1:12 PM, Meredith Ballard via
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>> <mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%0b>>
>> <mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:
>> <mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:%0b>>
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%25>
>>> 3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> James,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think you summed it up perfectly with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> performance in law school being seen as a parlor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trick. Despite the fact that I had a degree and a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> license, I was asked in a
>>> job
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interview how I got those things if I can?t read
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a physical book. They seemed to be under the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impression that someone must have helped me with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all my
>>> schooling.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have noticed a big difference in how I am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> treated by other attorneys when they find out I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have my own firm versus how I was treated when I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was first out of
>>> school
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and looking for a job.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you work for yourself other attorneys see you as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone they can potentially work with and it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> easier to
>>> make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> connections.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Discrimination in the hiring process is more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intense than I thought it would be before
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> entering the profession.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meredith Ballard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 12:44 PM, Maura Kutnyak via
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>>> <mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:
>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%
>>> 3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> James, your candor is both refreshing and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stimulus
>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heart break.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maura Kutnyak
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 716-563-9882 <tel:716-563-9882>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 12:37 PM, James T. Fetter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> <mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%0b>>>>
>>>>>>>> <mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%0b>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%20%
>>>>>>>> <mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>>> %20%25%0b>>>>
>>>>>>>> <mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>>> %20%25%0b>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I recently heard from a friend of mine--also
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blind, also an attorney, practicing for quite
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some time now--that many employers pretty much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> look at a blind person's success in law school as a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "parlor trick"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not an indication of your ability to thrive in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> practice. I think he's right, and it makes a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> great deal of sense in light of my experience.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Too many employers do not equate doing well in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> law school, which is still extremely important
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by the way, with all the things that law school
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't prepare you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for: taking depositions, handling contentious
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meetings with opposing counsel, reviewing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documents, and, of course, handling evidence
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with any kind of visual aspect to it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> almost have to prove that you can do all of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these things before being?? seen as potentially
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> able to do them in practice. I understand that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things are somewhat less grim for people who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have clerkships. I will
>>> soon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find out if this is true in my own case. I also
>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know if the same fears cloud employers'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> judgments in a transactional or compliance??
>>> setting,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> given the nature of the work. So, be prepared
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for a lot of rejection, but still be the best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> possible candidate, so that you can be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> competitive for opportunities
>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can act as a bridge to a long-term, full-time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> position.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/24/2019 11:42 AM, Cody Davis via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Remarkably discriminatory. Far more so than my
>>> naive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> self thought when I was first licensed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 10:43 AM, Sanho
>>> Steele-Louchart
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.o
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rg
>>> <mailt
>>>>>>>> <mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>>> %3cmailt%0b>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> o:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good morning. How discriminatory have you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found hiring practices so far? Messages are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> welcome on
>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off-list.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Warmth,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sanho
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _____________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> __ BlindLaw mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:BlindLaw at nfbnet.or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> g
>>> <mailto<mailto:BlindLaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:BlindLaw at nfbnet.org%3cmail
>>> to>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :BlindLaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:BlindLaw at nfbnet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.or<http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.or>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.or<BR>>>><http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.or<BR>>>>>
>>> %3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> g
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
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>>>>>>>> <http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.o<BR><http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.o<BR>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
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>>>>>>>> <http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.o<BR><http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.o<BR>>
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>>>>>>>> p:/
>>> nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org%253%3cBR%3e%3e%3e%3e%3<http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org%253%3cBR%3e%3e%3e%3e%3>
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>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> avis9
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.or<http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.or>
>>>>>>>> <http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.or<BR><http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.or<BR>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> davis9%3cBR%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 193%40gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:BlindLaw at nfbnet.o
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rg
>>> <mailto:BlindLaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:BlindLaw at nfbnet.org>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
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>>
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2019 04:03:47 -0500
>> From: Lakeria Taylor <lakeria2009 at gmail.com>
>> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Scott Marshall <marshall at blindlawyers.org>
>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Most important formatting advice I have -- Re:
>> Discrimination
>> Message-ID: <75068EC9-7D47-4752-9558-8F5352C6434D at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> Hi all,
>> Control alt v gives you paste special.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Oct 4, 2019, at 3:51 AM, Scott Marshall via BlindLaw
>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Laura and everyone:
>>> Thank you! This email thread has been invaluable. My biggest word
>>> processing challenge is screwing up the formatting of documents that I
>>> did not create originally. I have not made the changes suggested here as
>>> yet, but it is on my to-do list for today for sure.
>>> Now if we only had a good solution for the track changes problem.
>>> The days of being the only author on a document are over.
>>> Thanks again.
>>> Scott
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Will Burley via
>>> BlindLaw
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2019 12:28 AM
>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Will Burley <will.burley3 at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Most important formatting advice I have -- Re:
>>> Discrimination
>>>
>>> This conversation has been very welcomed!
>>>
>>>> On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 9:43 PM Farber, Randy via BlindLaw <
>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Laura - I am not in a place where I can double check, but I often use
>>>> paste special as text when I copy from programs. In Word the
>>>> keystrokes are to copy the text onto the clipboard and move to where
>>>> you want the text copied press Alt,e,s,u,u [do not press the commas,
>>>> just press the letters consecutively )
>>>>
>>>> I think this will copy the text using the format of the document into
>>>> which it is pasted.
>>>>
>>>> Is this your experience.
>>>>
>>>> There are also two keystrokes that I think help.
>>>> If you highlight text and then press Alt+space the formatting of the
>>>> text is removed.
>>>> There is a similar command to remove the paragraph formatting, but I
>>>> don't remember it right now.
>>>>
>>>> Randy
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Laura Wolk
>>>> via BlindLaw
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2019 5:13 PM
>>>> To: Kelby Carlson <kelbycarlson at gmail.com>
>>>> Cc: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com>; Blind Law Mailing List <
>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: [blindLaw] Most important formatting advice I have -- Re:
>>>> Discrimination
>>>>
>>>> **RECEIVED FROM EXTERNAL SENDER ? USE CAUTION**
>>>>
>>>> All,
>>>>
>>>> I am sharing this on list because I've gotten a few off-list responses
>>>> like the below message, and I want to make sure that everyone gets
>>>> this info. In my opinion, it's the biggest way to rid docs of
>>>> blindness-only formatting errors.
>>>>
>>>> By default, when you cut and paste into a word document from another
>>>> document, program, or website, Word will retain the original
>>>> formatting from that pasted text. That means that if you're fiile is
>>>> in Times New Roman size 12, but the text you paste is Calibri size 10,
>>>> you will be plopping a different font and size into your doc, and
>>>> anything you write going forward will be in that font and size. Same
>>>> goes for spacing, color, and any number of other attributes from
>>>> pasted text. My biggest piece of advice, and the advice I repeat most
>>>> often to blind folks, is to **turn this setting off!!.** It only
>>>> causes problems. And, in the rare instance where you do need to
>>>> preserve the original formatting, you can hit control immediately
>>>> after pasting and choose "keep source formatting," and any special
>>>> formatting will be retained.
>>>>
>>>> With so many iterations of word these days, I don't feel comfortable
>>>> typing out directions. But go spElunking in your ADVANCED word
>>>> options, Google, call Microsoft, whatever you need to do to find it.
>>>> Also note that there are two boxes, one for pasting between documents
>>>> and one for pasting between programs. They should both be set to
>>>> merge formatting. And while you're at it, turn off auto bullets and
>>>> auto numbering, and check the box that says "set left- and right-
>>>> indent with tabs and backspaces." This will mean you'll need to press
>>>> tab every time you start a new paragraph. However, it will also mean
>>>> that you won't have paragraphs randomly indented a third of the way
>>>> into the page because Word decided to do something stupid using its
>>>> very smart "auto" features.
>>>>
>>>> Also be aware that you will have to do this separately in outlook as
>>>> well. Though it uses Word as a text processor, it has its own set of
>>>> options.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, in the words of the infomercials, you should **immediately**
>>>> see **vast** and **life-changing** results! All kidding aside,
>>>> though, this is the first thing I do whenever I get a new job or
>>>> computer, and it has made an absolute world of difference to me and
>>>> the amount of errors that sighted folks need to fix.
>>>>
>>>> Happy formatting,
>>>> Laura
>>>>
>>>>> On 10/2/19, Kelby Carlson <kelbycarlson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Laura,
>>>>>
>>>>> This is definitely helpful. I admit I am not proficient at using a
>>>>> Braille display with my screen reader, and I'm sure this would be
>>>>> helpful. Do you use UEB to proof for things like formatting? In my
>>>>> experience it gives far more specific results than regular US braille.
>>>>> I assume you would still need some formatting such as fonts and
>>>>> colors spoken. (I only recently figured out that oftentimes color is
>>>>> included in things I copy and paste which ends up making certain
>>>>> sections of documents look very odd; thankfully my office is pretty
>>>>> good at bringing these formatting errors to my attention.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Hopefully these questions aren't bothersome; I have definitely
>>>>> realized how important these factors are since beginning work and I
>>>>> am still working out the best way of ensuring visual consistency in
>>>>> my documents.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/2/19, Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Kelby,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A nonbreaking space, like a nonbreaking hyphen, means that word
>>>>>> wrap will not break up whatever is on either side of it. So, for
>>>>>> instance, if you had the word burden--shifting, and for some reason
>>>>>> burden ended up on one line and shifting on another, you'd replace
>>>>>> the dash with a nonbreaking hyphen so that the word wouldn't be
>>>>>> chopped. A nonbreaking space is, in my experience, customarily
>>>>>> used between section and paragraph symbols and the number so as to
>>>>>> keep the two together. It's also used in between the periods of an
>>>>>> ellipsis. This all depends on the custom of the firm or court you
>>>>>> work for, of course. There is a setting in Jaws that is supposed
>>>>>> to read out nonbreaking characters (you can find it by activating
>>>>>> quick settings and typing in the word breaking), but this is
>>>>>> currently not functioning. Vispero is aware and has escalated it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for formatting, I do most of my proofing in Braille. But I have
>>>>>> turned on the setting where Jaws will tell me when spacing changes,
>>>>>> which I find very helpful. I also have punctuation set to some,
>>>>>> but I've added some customary marks into that, like quotation marks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope this is helpful.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Laura
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/2/19, kelby carlson via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> How much formatting information do you all have your screen reader
>>>>>>> read as you are reading through a text? I now have mine set up to
>>>>>>> read close to everything while I'm in Word, and while it is kind
>>>>>>> of distracting it seems necessary for proofing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would love to know if there is anywhere that discusses the
>>>>>>> different kinds of hyphens and when to use them. And I have no
>>>>>>> idea what a non-breaking space is.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Oct 1, 2019, at 6:53 PM, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Great I?m glad the workaround is working again! By the way you
>>>>>>>> can
>>>> also
>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>> this to make Jaws pronounce non-breaking spaces, which also got
>>>>>>>> broken somewhere along the way.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Oct 1, 2019, at 6:40 PM, Angela Matney via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Laura, I have Word 2016. I just changed the entries for \8220
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> \8221
>>>>>>>>> to left quote and right quote, respectively, in WordClassic.jdf.
>>>>>>>>> By default, both were set to the quote symbol (not sure which
>>>>>>>>> one). The changes seem to have taken. I think I will have to
>>>>>>>>> make sure I do
>>>> this
>>>>>>>>> for other dictionary files as well. Hopefully it works for you
>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/well.+Hopefully+it+works+for+you?entry=gmail&source=g<https://www.google.com/maps/search/well.+Hopefully+it+works+for+you?entry=gmail&source=g>>.
>>>> I?m
>>>>>>>>> excited to have these pronounced differently.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Angie
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Angela Matney, CIPP/US
>>>>>>>>> Attorney at Law
>>>>>>>>> [Loeb & Loeb LLP]<http://www.loeb.com/<http://www.loeb.com/>> Loeb
>>>>>>>>> and Loeb LLP
>>>>>>>>> 901 New York Avenue NW, Suite 300 East | Washington, DC 20001
>>>>>>>>> Direct Dial: 202.618.5038 | Fax:202.403.3407 |
>>>>>>>>> E-mail:amatney at loeb.com<mailto:amatney at loeb.com>
>>>>>>>>> Los Angeles | New York | Chicago | Nashville | Washington, DC |
>>>>>>>>> San Francisco | Beijing | Hong Kong |
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Laura
>>>>>>>>> Wolk via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2019 6:27 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>> Cc: Laura Wolk <laura.wolk at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Discrimination
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Great! I will try again tomorrow. I just updated again today. I
>>>>>>>>> have ms word 2016, but I don't see why that would affect the
>>>>>>>>> dictionary manager.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 1, 2019, at 6:09 PM, Brian Unitt via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Laura,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, the most recent update of JAWS 2019 and office 365.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Brian
>>>>>>>>>> Brian C. Unitt
>>>>>>>>>> Certified Specialist in Appellate Law By The State Bar of
>>>>>>>>>> California Holstein, Taylor and Unitt A Professional
>>>>>>>>>> Corporation
>>>>>>>>>> 4300 Latham Street, Suite 103
>>>>>>>>>> Riverside, CA 92501
>>>>>>>>>> Tel: 951-682-7030
>>>>>>>>>> Fax: 951-684-8061
>>>>>>>>>> www.holsteinlaw.com<http://www.holsteinlaw.com>
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.holsteinlaw.com<BR>><http://www.holsteinlaw.com<BR>>>>mailto:
>>>> brianunitt at holsteinlaw.com
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Laura Wolk via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2019 3:02 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List
>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Laura Wolk
>>>>>>>>>> <laura.wolk at gmail.com<mailto:laura.wolk at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Discrimination
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Brian,
>>>>>>>>>> I used to do this, but I mentioned in an earlier message that
>>>>>>>>>> I'm no longer able to get the dictionary to change those
>>>>>>>>>> pronunciations.
>>>>>>>>>> I've
>>>>>>>>>> tole Vispero and they've replicated it. Are you using the
>>>>>>>>>> latest version of Jaws and is it working for you?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 1, 2019, at 5:54 PM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It also does this if the document is an email attachment and
>>>>>>>>>>> viewed in html form.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 1, 2019, at 10:37 PM, Angela Matney via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have found that JAWS will do this if you have smart quotes
>>>>>>>>>>>> in a text file in notepad. I wish it did it in Word and
>>>>>>>>>>>> outlook. Since it does do it in Notepad, it seems it would
>>>>>>>>>>>> not be that difficult to port the behavior over to the Office
>>>>>>>>>>>> products.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>> rg>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Laura Wolk
>>>>>>>>>>>> via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2019 4:35 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List
>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Laura Wolk
>>>>>>>>>>>> <laura.wolk at gmail.com<mailto:laura.wolk at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Discrimination
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Really? Not in my experience. Can you give us an example of
>>>>>>>>>>>> what you mean?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/1/19, Brian Unitt via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:
>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> JAWS does this as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brian
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brian C. Unitt
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Certified Specialist, Appellate Law The State Bar of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> California Board of Legal Specialization
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Holstein, Taylor and Unitt
>>>>>>>>>>>>> A Professional Corporation
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> org
>>>> <mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.o
>>>> rg
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Kelby Carlson via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2019 10:30 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:
>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Kelby Carlson
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <kelbycarlson at gmail.com<mailto:kelbycarlson at gmail.com<mailto:
>>>> kelbycarlson at gmail.com%3cmailto:kelbycarlson at gmail.com>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Discrimination
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> For anybody who uses NVDA, you can tell if a quote is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> smart quote because NVDA will say left/right quote, not just
>>>>>>>>>>>>> quote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/28/19, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:
>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fair point, Ger. And then to hold me accountable going
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forward
>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't fix them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/25/19, Gerard Sadlier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <gerard.sadlier at gmail.com<mailto:gerard.sadlier at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:gerard.sadlier at gmail.com%3cmailto:gerard.sadlier at gmail.com>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Laura
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I must say, I think the appropriate course for your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> under-graduate Professors to have followed would have been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Mark on the substance (since to do otherwise would
>>>> presumably
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> effect your grades and therefore have a disproportionate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impact on your future); and 2. To tell you they were doing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so and why and explain the issues with content.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ger
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/24/19, Laura Wolk via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:
>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right, exactly. I submitted paper upon paper upon paper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in undergrad with these errors. I was judged based on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "substance,"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because that's what the profs thought was "equitable." In
>>>> fact,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it wasn't.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because no one's going to care about "equity" when you're
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tasked with drafting something for a client. This is why
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I really think this is in the back of people's minds...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how much extra work are we going to need to put in to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make her work look presentable?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And you are right, Angie. People just don't think to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tell. And they see this stuff and think, it'll only take
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a second for me to fix this... No harm, no foul.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My example is that I never had Braille marking/sound
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> schemes turned on for highlighting. I never really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought about highlighting.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But people at my Firm would highlight things that needed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be filled in when filing, such as the final word count
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the submission date. So although I would fill in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything, they were still in yellow. My assistant was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just changing everything.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After I had yet another uncomfortable conversation about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how I knew she thought she was helping, and I really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appreciated it, etc etc etc etc etc, she told me she'd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make sure to tell me if anything similar came up in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> future.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Laura
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/24/19, Laura Wolk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <laura.wolk at gmail.com<mailto:laura.wolk at gmail.com<mailto:
>>>> laura.wolk at gmail.com%3cmailto:laura.wolk at gmail.com>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ha. You are all proving my point, sadly. The same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happened to me, except htat my law review editor pointed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it out. The same thing happens with an apostrophe. A
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "straight" apostrophe is ascii value 39, and curly smart
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> apostrophes are 8216 and
>>>> 8217.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hate to tell you, Angie, but any apostrophes would have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> come out as straight when drafted in note pad too. This
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can also
>>>> happen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when copy/pasting from Westlaw or briefs or pdfs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been asking people at Vispero to make it possible
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to customize the Jaws word dictionary so that you can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> add 34 and replace it with the word "straight quote" and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> likewise with the straight apostrophe.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This used to work, but doesn't anymore. But since Jaws
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems to be so tempermental these days, you might give
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it a go and see if it works for you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And no, there is no Braille differences between these
>>>> symbols.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I, too, check for underlying ascii values. I also do a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> control+F
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before submitting any document, searching for a ^34 and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ^39.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Placing a caret before the number causes word to search
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the ascii value.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Laura
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/24/19, Sanho Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:
>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fascinating. JAWS doesn't tell me there's any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> difference whatsoever.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How do you access the ASCII information? Similarly, how
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the world do we learn these things while we're still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in school?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sanho
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/24/19, Angela Matney via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:
>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will do my best to describe them. I will only talk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about double quotes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Straight quotes are tapered, with the narrow end at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the bottom.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The widest point is at the top. There is only one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> symbol that represents the quotation mark, whether it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is an opening quote or a closing quote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Curly quotes are also tapered, with the narrow point
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at the bottom, but they are curved. The opening quote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is shaped similar to a print letter ?C,?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its curve facing to the right. The closing quote, on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the right of the enclosed material, is shaped like a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> backwards ?C,?
>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its curve faces to the left. It is almost like they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are enclosing the material.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I guess literary braille technically uses smart
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quotes, since the opening and closing quotes are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different. I guess you could use two apostrophes to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> represent both opening and closing quotes in braille,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I really don?t see that very often. I don?t think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> braille has an equivalent for the straight quote, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone please jump in and correct me
>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I?m wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?Here is a sentence enclosed in smart quotes.?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Here is a sentence enclosed in straight quotes."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I created the second sentence by typing in Notepad and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pasting it into this email.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you tell the difference?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:
>>>> blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.or
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>> %3cmailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.or%0b>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> g>> On Behalf Of Ray Wayne via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2019 4:40 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:
>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rwayne1 at nyc.rr.com<mailto:rwayne1 at nyc.rr.com<mailto:
>>>> rwayne1 at nyc.rr.com%3cmailto:rwayne1 at nyc.rr.com>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Discrimination
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was wondering that also. Is there a Braille symbol
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for a smart quote?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ray Wayne, New York City
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org<mailto:
>>>> blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.or
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>> %3cmailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.or%0b>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> g<mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw-bounces
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>> %3cmailto:blindlaw-bounces%0b>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> @nfbnet.org>>> On Behalf Of Shannon via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2019 4:18 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:
>>>> blindla
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>>>> %3cmailto:blindla%0b>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> w at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:w at nfbnet.org%
>>>> 3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Shannon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <sbg at sbgaal.com<mailto:sbg at sbgaal.com<mailto:
>>>> sbg at sbgaal.com%3c
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:sbg at sbgaal.com%3cmailto:sbg at sbgaal.com%
>>>> 3cmailto:sbg at sbgaal.com%3c%0b>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> mailto:sbg at sbgaal.com>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Discrimination
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry Laura,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I was trying to do too many things at once. My
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> question was regarding knowing the difference between
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a straight and smart quote/apostrophe?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am not sure I know what a smart quote is. Can you
>>>> explain.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shannon Brady Geihsler
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1212 Texas Avenue
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lubbock, Texas 79401
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Office: (806) 763-3999
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mobile: (806) 781-9296
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fax: (806) 749-3752
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> E-Mail:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sbg at sbgaal.com<mailto:sbg at sbgaal.com<mailto:sbg at sbgaal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .com
>>>> %3cm<mailto:sbg at sbgaal.com%3cmailto:sbg at sbgaal.com%3cmailto:sbg at sbgaal
>>>> .com
>>>> %3cm>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ailto:sbg at sbgaal.com>> This email may contain material
>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> confidential, privileged and/or attorney work product
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Laura Wolk via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2019 2:36 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Laura Wolk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Discrimination
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shannon, would you mind repeating your question? I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't quite understand what you are trying to ask.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As to the broader conversation, I think what I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trying to get at is that we have to face the sad but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> true reality that there are, in fact, blind attorneys
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out there who produce work of lesser visual quality,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whose firms or legal assistants or whatever come along
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> behind and clean up the work.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happens. And no one ever tells the person, so, as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Angie said, the person continues to remain unaware of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the errors they make over and over again, and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people continue to believe
>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the blind person is not as capable as the rest of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their peers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This has happened to me also. I have even had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conversations where I initially pressed the superior
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to give me blind specific feedback, they said nothing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was wrong, then I pressed and said "this is very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> important to me. Whatever you tell me, I will be able
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to figure out a way to address it." And then they did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give me some feedback.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> friend and former co-clerk works with a blind guy and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> noticed that his emails were formatted whackily. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> junior partner told my friend not to say anything but,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being friends with me, he knew it was the right thing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course, the blind attorney was very grateful and a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bit embarrassed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is the stuff I'm talking about. We need to be real
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> soft skills help we need, and we need to create
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> awareness that is indeed OK to tell a blind person
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Hey, Just an FYI, you are occasionally doing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something that makes your documents look strange."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Laura
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/24/19, Sanho Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:
>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:
>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%
>>>> 3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Laura and all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for such an enlightening discussion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surrounding employment discrimination. I have planned
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conversations with a couple of attorneys responsible
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for hiring associates
>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will ask them for more information. Laura, I will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> send you an email off-list to learn more from your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perspective.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Warmth,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sanho
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/24/19, Cody Davis via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:
>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:
>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%
>>>> 3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was able to secure a temporary position at my law
>>>> school
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> following graduation and licensure. Now, that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> temporary position is ending next Monday. And,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> despite my wholehearted efforts over the last 6
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> months to find work, I have no employment lined up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Somewhat jokingly) I?m far too bitter at this point
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to sell someone on a career in law. I think Meredith
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and James have done an excellent job of giving you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all you should consider in looking to go to law
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> school.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was initially reluctant to do any disability
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rights related work in law school because I did not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to be placed in that box either.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But, I looked for work in that area assuming that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> employers in that area might be a bit more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understanding and educated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was wrong. Do not assume that those who practice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disability rights law are any less susceptible to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the biases, misperceptions, or lack of understanding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that leads to employment discrimination.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the best thing to do, James, is to continue
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> educating folks on the reality that blind or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> visually impaired attorneys are as capable as their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sighted counterparts in all but a very few ways. My
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> local bar has created a Taskforce to address, among
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other issues, employment discrimination against
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> persons with disabilities in the legal profession.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We are trying to provide education to members of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bar on the capacity of lawyers with disabilities in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the hopes that this will alleviate some
>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the underlying causes of employment discrimination.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is done by presenting at meetings of the local
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bench and bar, hosting CLE?s, and publishing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> writings like the blog post linked below.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> https://www.wakecountybar.org/blogpost/727449/Professionalis<https://www.wakecountybar.org/blogpost/727449/Professionalis>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>> https://www.wakecountybar.org/blogpost/727449/Professionalis%3cBR%3e%3<https://www.wakecountybar.org/blogpost/727449/Professionalis%3cBR%3e%3>
>>>> e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> m-Co
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mmitt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>> https://www.wakecountybar.org/blogpost/727449/Professionali<https://www.wakecountybar.org/blogpost/727449/Professionali>
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.wakecountybar.org/blogpost/727449/Professionali<B<https://www.wakecountybar.org/blogpost/727449/Professionali<B>
>>>>>>>>> R%3e
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e>
>>>>>>>>> sm-C
>>>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>> https://www.wakecountybar.org/blogpost/727449/Professionalism-C<https://www.wakecountybar.org/blogpost/727449/Professionalism-C>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <%3e%3e%3cBR%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ommitt%3cBR%3e%3e%3e>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Maura Kutnyak via
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:
>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:
>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%
>>>> 3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cody, James, Meredith, what might you all offer as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good reasons for people like myself and Sanho
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pursuing a
>>>> legal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> degree? I took the LSAT this past Saturday. I am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proud
>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that for whatever it?s worth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That said, it can be hard to persevere when such
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anecdotes provide a majority of what we used to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fill our sales.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, I have often been paranoid about the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> existence of
>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> phenomenon such as the one you indicate Cody. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have worried that someone will see my GPA and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> somehow assume that all of my professors have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> independently decided to be generous and grant
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> grades which I do not deserve. This
>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of course irrational but still what I?m hearing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> supports that fear.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am interested in a few different areas of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> law. I
>>>> am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not particularly drawn to disability rights. One of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the reasons why is that I don?t want to be silo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into a field which others expect me to enter. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don?t want to be limited to practice law in an area
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> related to one of my most visible and perceptibly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> limiting characteristics.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All of that said, I can see how that may be the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> most excepting field of practice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Damn darn heck! Anyway, please forgive some of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dictation errors.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am following my one year-old around as I compose.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don?t have time to perfect this dispatch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks so much everyone for your insight.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maura Kutnyak
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 716-563-9882
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 1:52 PM, Cody Davis via
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>>>> <mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:
>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%
>>>> 3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> James? point is spot on.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What I find even more disturbing than James?
>>>> observation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is that the experience a blind candidate may
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> possess by way of externships and internships does
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not seem to assuage employers? concerns about the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> candidates?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ability
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to practice. Despite my four externships during
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> law school in which I was able to perform the work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assigned to the satisfaction of my supervisors, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think employers still doubt my abilities to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deliver the work they expect.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shouldn?t my history of success in the workplace
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evidence my ability to thrive in practice?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have also found that fellow attorneys and people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in general have no issue trusting that I am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> capable to do something, so long as I am not being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paid to do it. I have absolutely no problem
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> securing volunteer or community involvement
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opportunities. .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 1:12 PM, Meredith Ballard via
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>>>> <mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:
>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%
>>>> 3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> James,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think you summed it up perfectly with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> performance in law school being seen as a parlor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trick. Despite the fact that I had a degree and a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> license, I was asked in a
>>>> job
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interview how I got those things if I can?t read
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a physical book. They seemed to be under the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impression that someone must have helped me with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all my
>>>> schooling.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have noticed a big difference in how I am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> treated by other attorneys when they find out I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have my own firm versus how I was treated when I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was first out of
>>>> school
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and looking for a job.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you work for yourself other attorneys see you as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone they can potentially work with and it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> easier to
>>>> make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> connections.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Discrimination in the hiring process is more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intense than I thought it would be before
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> entering the profession.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meredith Ballard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 12:44 PM, Maura Kutnyak via
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>>>> <mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:
>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%
>>>> 3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> James, your candor is both refreshing and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stimulus
>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heart break.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maura Kutnyak
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 716-563-9882 <tel:716-563-9882>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 12:37 PM, James T. Fetter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%0b>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%0b>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%20%
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>>>> %20%25%0b>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>>>> %20%25%0b>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I recently heard from a friend of mine--also
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blind, also an attorney, practicing for quite
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some time now--that many employers pretty much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> look at a blind person's success in law school as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a "parlor trick"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not an indication of your ability to thrive in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> practice. I think he's right, and it makes a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> great deal of sense in light of my experience.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Too many employers do not equate doing well in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> law school, which is still extremely important
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by the way, with all the things that law school
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't prepare you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for: taking depositions, handling contentious
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> meetings with opposing counsel, reviewing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> documents, and, of course, handling evidence
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with any kind of visual aspect to it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> almost have to prove that you can do all of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these things before being?? seen as potentially
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> able to do them in practice. I understand that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things are somewhat less grim for people who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have clerkships. I will
>>>> soon
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find out if this is true in my own case. I also
>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know if the same fears cloud employers'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> judgments in a transactional or compliance??
>>>> setting,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> given the nature of the work. So, be prepared
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for a lot of rejection, but still be the best
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> possible candidate, so that you can be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> competitive for opportunities
>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can act as a bridge to a long-term, full-time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> position.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/24/2019 11:42 AM, Cody Davis via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Remarkably discriminatory. Far more so than my
>>>> naive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> self thought when I was first licensed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 10:43 AM, Sanho
>>>> Steele-Louchart
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.o
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rg
>>>> <mailt
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org
>>>> %3cmailt%0b>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> o:blindlaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good morning. How discriminatory have you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> found hiring practices so far? Messages are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> welcome on
>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off-list.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Warmth,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sanho
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _____________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> __ BlindLaw mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:BlindLaw at nfbnet.or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> g
>>>> <mailto<mailto:BlindLaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:BlindLaw at nfbnet.org%3cmail
>>>> to>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :BlindLaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:BlindLaw at nfbnet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.or<http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.or>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.or<BR>>>><http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.or<BR>>>>>
>>>> %3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> g
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.o<http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.o>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> %3e%3e%3e>
>>>>>>>>> rg%3 cBR%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.o<http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.o>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> %3e%3e%3e>
>>>>>>>>> rg%3cBR%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3chtt
>>>>>>>>> p:/
>>>> nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org%253%3cBR%3e%3e%3e%3e%3<http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org%253%3cBR%3e%3e%3e%3e%3>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org<BR>>>><http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org<BR>>>>>
>>>> %3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /cjd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> avis9
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.or<http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.or>
>>>>>>>>> <http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.or<BR><http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.or<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> %3e%3e%3e>
>>>>>>>>> g/cj
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/cj<http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/cj>
>>>> <%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3cBR%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> davis9%3cBR%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 193%40gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _ BlindLaw mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org<mailto:BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
>>>> <mailto<mailto:BlindLaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:BlindLaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:BlindLaw at nfbnet.o
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rg
>>>> <mailto:BlindLaw at nfbnet.org%3cmailto:BlindLaw at nfbnet.org>>>
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org<http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org%3cBR%3e%3e%3e%3<http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org%3cBR%3e%3e%3e%3>
>>>> e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
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>>>>>>>>> <http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.or<BR><http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.or<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3e%3e>
>>>>>>>>> g%3c BR%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.or<http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.or>
>>>>>>>>> <http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.or<BR><http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.or<BR>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3e%3e>
>>>>>>>>> g%3cBR%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e%3e
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>>> display it.? ?Maya Angelou
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From davant1958 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 17 22:01:40 2020
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I'm just seeing a bunch of links  below your email and I can't tell which
are the position announcements. Would you mind clarifying and just sending
the links to the positions? And where are  the jobs  located?

Thanks.

Deepa

Deepinder K. Goraya, ESQ.

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FYI.

 

 

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Go to www.nfbofillinois.org

 

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Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 04:21:12 -0600
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Deepa,
I don't have the announcement. This was sent by the ABA section on Children
in the Law. I would suggest calling their office in Washington D.C. for the
posting if the links aren't taking you to the actual application and job
posting, which they really should.


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Denise,

I'm just seeing a bunch of links  below your email and I can't tell which
are the position announcements. Would you mind clarifying and just sending
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Thanks.

Deepa

Deepinder K. Goraya, ESQ.

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From maurakutnyak at gmail.com  Sat Jan 18 13:16:31 2020
From: maurakutnyak at gmail.com (Maura Kutnyak)
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 08:16:31 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Braille Displays
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Hello Nandini,

I have a recommendation. It deserves a few qualifying words. I am not a skilled Braille reader. Thus, the device that I’m going to recommend is not something I have used. Recently my daughter was able to explore a few devices and is going to be having some equipment purchased by her school district. I was there and was impressed by one of the units. so much so that I considered having one purchased for me, I will be undergoing a similar evaluation in preparation for law school. 

The device is called, the focus 40.  It is essentially a Bluetooth keyboard with braille inputs and a 40 sell display. It can be paired with an iPhone, iPad or any desktop device. I do not know if there is any storage native to the device. I believe there is a small amount. As for you EB versus the traditional form, I’m not sure about this either. My instinct is that it would be using the older form but I don’t know.

I liked it because it was very small and light. Also versatile being able to be used with a desktop or a more portable device. Like I said, my skills are at something like a fourth grade level. It has been many years since I’ve actively read braille. Still, I feel like it might be a nice way to try to brush up hope this is helpful in someway. My guess is that it will be exorbitantly expensive as most of these things are.

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> All,
> 
> My Braille Note Apex may be near to expiring.  Depending on the diagnostic report from Humanware, I may be in the market for a refreshable Braille device.  I am thinking of purchasing a display and not a note taker, but I have a few questions since I have not spent much time with a Braille display:
> 
> First, I have not gotten around to learning UEB, so I am wondering how displays support, if at all, the legacy American English literary code.  Is there a setting in the display firmware I can adjust, or is there a special driver I would need in my PC or iPhone to enable the older literary code?
> 
> Do people tend to have one display for the computer and a smaller, portable one for the iPhone/iPad?  Do you instead use the same one for multiple devices, and if so, I assume you cycle useages sequentially?  Can you tell me how you negotiate the transition from proofing a document on your PC to reading shortly thereafter an email on your phone's gmail app, as a for instance?
> 
> Criminal defense attorneys and litigators, can you generally please describe how and where you use a Braile display.  Note taking, depositions/witness interviews, oral arguments, settlement meetings, etc.  Let me know also the  model of the display, the number of cells, and how you like its performance.
> 
> Many thanks,
> Nikki
> 
> Nandini Singh
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From sanho817 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 18 15:39:06 2020
From: sanho817 at gmail.com (Sanho Steele-Louchart)
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 09:39:06 -0600
Subject: [blindLaw] Accessing Trial Documents
Message-ID: <FF514C22-E16D-4F91-8364-14CE2AA94D19@gmail.com>

All, 

Good morning. How do you access trial documents, specifically evidence the other side would prefer you not have in an accessible format? I'm imagining a scenario in which opposing counsel conveniently forgets to send things to your office in the format you specify.  


Thank you, 
Sanho 




From blindstein at gmail.com  Sat Jan 18 17:08:51 2020
From: blindstein at gmail.com (Justin Harford)
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 09:08:51 -0800
Subject: [blindLaw] FW: Two Senior Attorney job openings
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It’s likely your email software that mangled the email.  I’ve seen this kind of thing at my job and I’m not sure if it is related to Outlook or Gmail, but it must be one of them.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 18, 2020, at 2:22 AM, Denise Avant via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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> Deepa,
> I don't have the announcement. This was sent by the ABA section on Children
> in the Law. I would suggest calling their office in Washington D.C. for the
> posting if the links aren't taking you to the actual application and job
> posting, which they really should.
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> Denise R. Avant, Esq.
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> Denise,
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> I'm just seeing a bunch of links  below your email and I can't tell which
> are the position announcements. Would you mind clarifying and just sending
> the links to the positions? And where are  the jobs  located?
> 
> Thanks.
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> Deepinder K. Goraya, ESQ.
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> President,
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> 773-991-8050
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> Live the life you want.
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> For more information about NFBI,
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From shannonldillon at gmail.com  Sat Jan 18 22:04:20 2020
From: shannonldillon at gmail.com (Shannon Dillon)
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 14:04:20 -0800
Subject: [blindLaw] Braille Displays
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Hi Nikki,
I use Braille regularly in my job. I don't do litigation in my current
job but did previously. At that time, I used a notetaker to keep
questions I asked during hearings and to keep track of responses or
whatever other notes I took. I found it easier to track questions and
responses in the notetaker because I never had to listen to it; I
could just read the Braille display. Sometimes my laptop speech and
Braille get disconnected from each other and I had a lag trying to get
them linked back together. It's not a long lag but a lag that is
longer than I'm comfortable with when I'm actively talking or asking
questions to another person or people.

 Now I find that in meetings I have figured out ways to use my laptop
and Braille display. They can still get disconnected from each other
if I read the Braille for too long. But I'm just aware of the problem
and make sure not to let it happen. I still like having a notetaker,
though. It's just smaller and quicker than having the laptop and the
Braille display. One piece rather than two. And you can turn the
notetaker on a lot more quickly than you can the laptop.

However, I do still use my laptop and Braille display if I'm going to
have to refer to documents too complicated for the notetaker, like an
Excel document, or a table. As to which display I use with the laptop
or phone, I use a 40-cell Focus Braille display with the laptop only.
I haven't tried connecting it to my iPhone.

I do connect my notetaker - a Braille Sense U2 - to my iPhone. I also
have an old 14-cell Focus that I connect to my iPhone. The Braille
Sense is 32 cells and the Focus is 14 cells so the U2 is better in
some ways. It takes a little work to switch bbetween the notetaker and
the 14-cell Focus on my iPhone. It doesn't always happen that
smoothly. My recollection is that if I'm working with the notetaker,
then want to connect to the Focus 14, I have to go into Settings and
reconnect the Focus 14. I don't think I can have the Braille Sense and
the Focus 14 connected at the same time such that I can turn the
notetaker off, and immediately turn the Focus 14 on, and smoothly
transition from one display to the other.

I have not tried reading work documents on my phone. Just email.

There is a book on National Braille Press comparing braille displays.
If you go with the Focus Braille display, I suggest considering the
fifth generation because it is some kind of metal rather than plastic.
If you are like me and end up with a laptop, notetaker and Braille
display in your bag, I have found the metal display to be a little
more hardy.

I tried the Brailliant displays from Humanware initially then from
Baum. I don't know where they come from now. I love the Brailliants
but  my warning about those is that I had difficulty connecting them
to Freedom Scientific products. The Focus is easy to plug in and then
you change a setting in JAWS and you are good to go. With the
Brailliant, you have to install Brailliant software. The second
generation is easier to install than the first, but it's an extra step
you have to go through every time you install JAWS or update JAWS.  Or
it used to be. I haven't used the Brailliant in about four years so it
could have changed.

Hope some of this helps. Let me know if there is anything else I can
try to answer.

Shannon
On 1/13/20, Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> All,
>
> My Braille Note Apex may be near to expiring.  Depending on the diagnostic
> report from Humanware, I may be in the market for a refreshable Braille
> device.  I am thinking of purchasing a display and not a note taker, but I
> have a few questions since I have not spent much time with a Braille
> display:
>
> First, I have not gotten around to learning UEB, so I am wondering how
> displays support, if at all, the legacy American English literary code.  Is
> there a setting in the display firmware I can adjust, or is there a special
> driver I would need in my PC or iPhone to enable the older literary code?
>
> Do people tend to have one display for the computer and a smaller, portable
> one for the iPhone/iPad?  Do you instead use the same one for multiple
> devices, and if so, I assume you cycle useages sequentially?  Can you tell
> me how you negotiate the transition from proofing a document on your PC to
> reading shortly thereafter an email on your phone's gmail app, as a for
> instance?
>
> Criminal defense attorneys and litigators, can you generally please describe
> how and where you use a Braile display.  Note taking, depositions/witness
> interviews, oral arguments, settlement meetings, etc.  Let me know also the
> model of the display, the number of cells, and how you like its
> performance.
>
> Many thanks,
> Nikki
>
> Nandini Singh
>
> Covington & Burling LLP
> One CityCenter, 850 Tenth Street, NW
> Washington, DC 20001-4956
> T +1 202 662 5113 | nsingh at cov.com
> www.cov.com
>
> [cid:image001.jpg at 01D5C9F0.3C3C81B0]
>
>
>


-- 
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of California
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From sanho817 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 21 16:17:07 2020
From: sanho817 at gmail.com (Sanho Steele-Louchart)
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2020 10:17:07 -0600
Subject: [blindLaw] OCR Question
Message-ID: <CAL6jpey7Q4EHfNUiGM_KF3_Ah64EKPFZF312TOAvfZ5v-J5V=A@mail.gmail.com>

All,

VocRehab is purchasing me an OCR program. They recommend OpenBook. Can
someone tell me the pros and cons of different OCR technologies, and
which you'd recommend for legal work?

Warmth,
Sanho


From captinlogic at gmail.com  Tue Jan 21 16:20:54 2020
From: captinlogic at gmail.com (Rob)
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2020 10:20:54 -0600
Subject: [blindLaw] things to know for legal school
Message-ID: <20200121.162054.371.19@[192.168.1.118]>

I'm looking at going to school for a legal secretary certificate with an eye toward becoming a paralegal. Are there any accessibility issues specific to this area I should be aware of? Aside from things like getting a lot of handwritten documents which render very poorly in OCR programs. Thoughts, advice and general tips appreciated.


From bmoresoxfan at gmail.com  Tue Jan 21 16:40:14 2020
From: bmoresoxfan at gmail.com (Jim McCarthy)
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2020 11:40:14 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] things to know for legal school
In-Reply-To: <20200121.162054.371.19@192.168.1.118>
References: <20200121.162054.371.19@192.168.1.118>
Message-ID: <CAEYSnQHC1KjE-nRcSPqTJWfuNYARFD7Dx9nz7ySBumDHbKmgOg@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 11:23 AM Rob via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> I'm looking at going to school for a legal secretary certificate with an
> eye toward becoming a paralegal. Are there any accessibility issues
> specific to this area I should be aware of? Aside from things like getting
> a lot of handwritten documents which render very poorly in OCR programs.
> Thoughts, advice and general tips appreciated.
>
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I am not a paralegal and so my thoughts here may not be the most directly
relevant. I would suggest though that if you do not perceive your self as
an expert in the creation of documents using a variety of programs and in
accessing material from a variety of electronica sources, that you should
improve those skills before attending. INXS ability of electronica content
certainly remains a factor that confronts all of us who are in the legal
community. However those with above average facility in this area will
prevail much more than those who are average or below and if you are
considering such a career, you should be prepared or prepare if you aren’t
already.
Jim McCarthy

From rjaquiss at earthlink.net  Tue Jan 21 16:53:09 2020
From: rjaquiss at earthlink.net (rjaquiss)
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2020 09:53:09 -0700
Subject: [blindLaw] OCR Question
In-Reply-To: <CAL6jpey7Q4EHfNUiGM_KF3_Ah64EKPFZF312TOAvfZ5v-J5V=A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAL6jpey7Q4EHfNUiGM_KF3_Ah64EKPFZF312TOAvfZ5v-J5V=A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000301d5d07b$43f14da0$cbd3e8e0$@earthlink.net>

Hello Sanho:

     Unless it has been recently updated, OpenBook is an older program. I
would look at Kurzweil K1000 or Abby FineReader. The K1000 software has a
nice user interface designed for the blind. It is also more expensive. I
haven't tried FineReader, but understand it is accessible. It is certainly
less expensive than K1000. Kurzweil uses the FineReader and I think the
Omnipage scanning engine. You can download OpenBook from Freedom Scientific
and give it a try for free. The last I knew, you could also get a CD from
Kurzweil which will run for 30 days. Hope this helps.

Regards,

Robert


-----Original Message-----
From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sanho
Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 9:17 AM
To: Blind Law Mailing List
Cc: Sanho Steele-Louchart
Subject: [blindLaw] OCR Question

All,

VocRehab is purchasing me an OCR program. They recommend OpenBook. Can
someone tell me the pros and cons of different OCR technologies, and
which you'd recommend for legal work?

Warmth,
Sanho

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From deepa.goraya at gmail.com  Tue Jan 21 17:01:37 2020
From: deepa.goraya at gmail.com (Deepa Goraya)
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2020 12:01:37 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Blind Lawyers Dinner on February 11
Message-ID: <CAKs_uDRq028SRtp4f6NZByXXP3DF43=pi+dAS9=hCbkxeLsyxA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,

For whoever is in town, we are organizing a blind lawyers dinner for
Tuesday, February 11, at around 7:30 at the restaurant The Hamilton.
It is located at 600 14th Street, NW. It is right near Metro Center
station (red, blue, orange and silver lines).

Please RSVP by January 27 to deepa.goraya at gmail.com and let us know if
you are coming so we can make a reservation.

Thank you.

Deepa


Deepinder K. Goraya
Attorney
Disability Rights Maryland, formerly Maryland Disability Law Center
1500 Union Ave., Suite 2000; Baltimore, MD 21211
410-727-6352 ext. 2536
DeepaG at DisabilityRightsMD.org


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Subject: [blindLaw] FW: ABA Two Senior Attorney job openings
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From agtolentino at gmail.com  Tue Jan 21 22:36:14 2020
From: agtolentino at gmail.com (Aser Tolentino)
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2020 14:36:14 -0800
Subject: [blindLaw] OCR Question
In-Reply-To: <000301d5d07b$43f14da0$cbd3e8e0$@earthlink.net>
References: <000301d5d07b$43f14da0$cbd3e8e0$@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <99453777-5D22-4F98-BA97-C6ABE4B05B81@gmail.com>

I prefer working with K1000 myself, and yes, OpenBook hasn’t been updated in something like a decade. TO be fair, K1000 hasn’t seen an update in about half a decade. FineReader and OmniPage are both perfectly serviceable options that cost half as much if that and give you equally usable OCR if you plan on using the finished product in a different application anyway. One advantage OpenBook has is that you can disable editing and just arrow around the document without fear of adding or modifying the scanned text. Once OCR has completed, K1000 drops you in something like a word processor.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 21, 2020, at 8:54 AM, rjaquiss via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Sanho:
> 
>     Unless it has been recently updated, OpenBook is an older program. I
> would look at Kurzweil K1000 or Abby FineReader. The K1000 software has a
> nice user interface designed for the blind. It is also more expensive. I
> haven't tried FineReader, but understand it is accessible. It is certainly
> less expensive than K1000. Kurzweil uses the FineReader and I think the
> Omnipage scanning engine. You can download OpenBook from Freedom Scientific
> and give it a try for free. The last I knew, you could also get a CD from
> Kurzweil which will run for 30 days. Hope this helps.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Robert
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sanho
> Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw
> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 9:17 AM
> To: Blind Law Mailing List
> Cc: Sanho Steele-Louchart
> Subject: [blindLaw] OCR Question
> 
> All,
> 
> VocRehab is purchasing me an OCR program. They recommend OpenBook. Can
> someone tell me the pros and cons of different OCR technologies, and
> which you'd recommend for legal work?
> 
> Warmth,
> Sanho
> 
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From marshall at blindlawyers.org  Wed Jan 22 00:56:30 2020
From: marshall at blindlawyers.org (Scott Marshall)
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 00:56:30 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Blind Lawyers Dinner on February 11
In-Reply-To: <CAKs_uDRq028SRtp4f6NZByXXP3DF43=pi+dAS9=hCbkxeLsyxA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKs_uDRq028SRtp4f6NZByXXP3DF43=pi+dAS9=hCbkxeLsyxA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <MN2PR18MB3279CB0BD1BFF29B3348BD3CA00C0@MN2PR18MB3279.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>

Please count me in for the dinner.
Best:
Scott Marshall

-----Original Message-----
From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Deepa Goraya via BlindLaw
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 12:02 PM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Cc: Deepa Goraya <deepa.goraya at gmail.com>
Subject: [blindLaw] Blind Lawyers Dinner on February 11

Hello All,

For whoever is in town, we are organizing a blind lawyers dinner for Tuesday, February 11, at around 7:30 at the restaurant The Hamilton.
It is located at 600 14th Street, NW. It is right near Metro Center station (red, blue, orange and silver lines).

Please RSVP by January 27 to deepa.goraya at gmail.com and let us know if you are coming so we can make a reservation.

Thank you.

Deepa


Deepinder K. Goraya
Attorney
Disability Rights Maryland, formerly Maryland Disability Law Center
1500 Union Ave., Suite 2000; Baltimore, MD 21211
410-727-6352 ext. 2536
DeepaG at DisabilityRightsMD.org

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From angie.matney at gmail.com  Wed Jan 22 01:47:36 2020
From: angie.matney at gmail.com (Angie Matney)
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2020 20:47:36 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Blind Lawyers Dinner on February 11
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I would love to come, but I have another commitment that, while it doesn't strictly conflict, makes the 11th a less-than-ideal day for me. I hope you all have a wonderful time. 

Angie


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 21, 2020, at 7:57 PM, Scott Marshall via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Please count me in for the dinner.
> Best:
> Scott Marshall
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Deepa Goraya via BlindLaw
> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 12:02 PM
> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Deepa Goraya <deepa.goraya at gmail.com>
> Subject: [blindLaw] Blind Lawyers Dinner on February 11
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> For whoever is in town, we are organizing a blind lawyers dinner for Tuesday, February 11, at around 7:30 at the restaurant The Hamilton.
> It is located at 600 14th Street, NW. It is right near Metro Center station (red, blue, orange and silver lines).
> 
> Please RSVP by January 27 to deepa.goraya at gmail.com and let us know if you are coming so we can make a reservation.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Deepa
> 
> 
> Deepinder K. Goraya
> Attorney
> Disability Rights Maryland, formerly Maryland Disability Law Center
> 1500 Union Ave., Suite 2000; Baltimore, MD 21211
> 410-727-6352 ext. 2536
> DeepaG at DisabilityRightsMD.org
> 
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From sanho817 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 22 14:29:56 2020
From: sanho817 at gmail.com (Sanho Steele-Louchart)
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 08:29:56 -0600
Subject: [blindLaw] OCR Question
In-Reply-To: <99453777-5D22-4F98-BA97-C6ABE4B05B81@gmail.com>
References: <000301d5d07b$43f14da0$cbd3e8e0$@earthlink.net>
	<99453777-5D22-4F98-BA97-C6ABE4B05B81@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAL6jpeyG3nZXRBmmei5jpR8UpuSJ6pnT_gtA1MOBESOSXDAtYQ@mail.gmail.com>

All,

Thank you. What is the benefit of OpenBook or K1000 above something
like FineReader or Omnipage? My plan, such as there is one, is to
simply drop the text into a Word document, anyway.

Warmth,
Sanho


On 1/21/20, Aser Tolentino via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I prefer working with K1000 myself, and yes, OpenBook hasn’t been updated in
> something like a decade. TO be fair, K1000 hasn’t seen an update in about
> half a decade. FineReader and OmniPage are both perfectly serviceable
> options that cost half as much if that and give you equally usable OCR if
> you plan on using the finished product in a different application anyway.
> One advantage OpenBook has is that you can disable editing and just arrow
> around the document without fear of adding or modifying the scanned text.
> Once OCR has completed, K1000 drops you in something like a word processor.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 21, 2020, at 8:54 AM, rjaquiss via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Sanho:
>>
>>     Unless it has been recently updated, OpenBook is an older program. I
>> would look at Kurzweil K1000 or Abby FineReader. The K1000 software has a
>> nice user interface designed for the blind. It is also more expensive. I
>> haven't tried FineReader, but understand it is accessible. It is certainly
>> less expensive than K1000. Kurzweil uses the FineReader and I think the
>> Omnipage scanning engine. You can download OpenBook from Freedom
>> Scientific
>> and give it a try for free. The last I knew, you could also get a CD from
>> Kurzweil which will run for 30 days. Hope this helps.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Robert
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sanho
>> Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 9:17 AM
>> To: Blind Law Mailing List
>> Cc: Sanho Steele-Louchart
>> Subject: [blindLaw] OCR Question
>>
>> All,
>>
>> VocRehab is purchasing me an OCR program. They recommend OpenBook. Can
>> someone tell me the pros and cons of different OCR technologies, and
>> which you'd recommend for legal work?
>>
>> Warmth,
>> Sanho
>>
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From rwayne1 at nyc.rr.com  Wed Jan 22 14:30:58 2020
From: rwayne1 at nyc.rr.com (rwayne1 at nyc.rr.com)
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 09:30:58 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Blind Lawyers Dinner on February 11
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I will try to make it. If you do not hear from me again, I will be there.
Ray


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Please count me in for the dinner.
Best:
Scott Marshall

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Subject: [blindLaw] Blind Lawyers Dinner on February 11

Hello All,

For whoever is in town, we are organizing a blind lawyers dinner for
Tuesday, February 11, at around 7:30 at the restaurant The Hamilton.
It is located at 600 14th Street, NW. It is right near Metro Center station
(red, blue, orange and silver lines).

Please RSVP by January 27 to deepa.goraya at gmail.com and let us know if you
are coming so we can make a reservation.

Thank you.

Deepa


Deepinder K. Goraya
Attorney
Disability Rights Maryland, formerly Maryland Disability Law Center
1500 Union Ave., Suite 2000; Baltimore, MD 21211
410-727-6352 ext. 2536
DeepaG at DisabilityRightsMD.org

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From jtfetter at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 22 14:52:39 2020
From: jtfetter at yahoo.com (James)
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 09:52:39 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] OCR Question
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In K1000, you can hit a single key to scan a page or a key sequence for 
repeated scanning. You can also do tons of markup, create outlines, add 
marginal notes, etc. I frequently opened my PDF textbooks in K1000 as 
soon as I got them. It is not as easy to perform all of these functions 
in Word, not to mention that Word has a tendency to crash or freeze up 
when handling large files with an abundance of extraneous formatting. I 
can't speak to OpenBook, since I have never used it. I would strongly 
suggest trying both programs before being pushed into choosing one. But 
if that is not possible, consider using whichever program you end up 
getting to read textbooks you receive in electronic format and not just 
for scanning.


On 1/22/2020 9:29 AM, Sanho Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw wrote:
> All,
>
> Thank you. What is the benefit of OpenBook or K1000 above something
> like FineReader or Omnipage? My plan, such as there is one, is to
> simply drop the text into a Word document, anyway.
>
> Warmth,
> Sanho
>
>
> On 1/21/20, Aser Tolentino via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I prefer working with K1000 myself, and yes, OpenBook hasn’t been updated in
>> something like a decade. TO be fair, K1000 hasn’t seen an update in about
>> half a decade. FineReader and OmniPage are both perfectly serviceable
>> options that cost half as much if that and give you equally usable OCR if
>> you plan on using the finished product in a different application anyway.
>> One advantage OpenBook has is that you can disable editing and just arrow
>> around the document without fear of adding or modifying the scanned text.
>> Once OCR has completed, K1000 drops you in something like a word processor.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jan 21, 2020, at 8:54 AM, rjaquiss via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Sanho:
>>>
>>>      Unless it has been recently updated, OpenBook is an older program. I
>>> would look at Kurzweil K1000 or Abby FineReader. The K1000 software has a
>>> nice user interface designed for the blind. It is also more expensive. I
>>> haven't tried FineReader, but understand it is accessible. It is certainly
>>> less expensive than K1000. Kurzweil uses the FineReader and I think the
>>> Omnipage scanning engine. You can download OpenBook from Freedom
>>> Scientific
>>> and give it a try for free. The last I knew, you could also get a CD from
>>> Kurzweil which will run for 30 days. Hope this helps.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Robert
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sanho
>>> Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 9:17 AM
>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List
>>> Cc: Sanho Steele-Louchart
>>> Subject: [blindLaw] OCR Question
>>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> VocRehab is purchasing me an OCR program. They recommend OpenBook. Can
>>> someone tell me the pros and cons of different OCR technologies, and
>>> which you'd recommend for legal work?
>>>
>>> Warmth,
>>> Sanho
>>>
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From maurakutnyak at gmail.com  Wed Jan 22 15:04:46 2020
From: maurakutnyak at gmail.com (Maura Kutnyak)
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 10:04:46 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] OCR Question
In-Reply-To: <8b0b25aa-a3a1-c89d-db22-fb598e66db64@yahoo.com>
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Hello everyone, 

I am anticipating a similar bout of a valuation and subsequent tech purchase as I prepare for law school.  does anyone know if K 1000 has a companion app which can be used on tablets or smart phones? I’m thinking it would be nice to be able to have textbooks loaded and portable. Sincerely,

Maura Kutnyak  MPA.
716-563-9882

> On Jan 22, 2020, at 9:53 AM, James via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> In K1000, you can hit a single key to scan a page or a key sequence for repeated scanning. You can also do tons of markup, create outlines, add marginal notes, etc. I frequently opened my PDF textbooks in K1000 as soon as I got them. It is not as easy to perform all of these functions in Word, not to mention that Word has a tendency to crash or freeze up when handling large files with an abundance of extraneous formatting. I can't speak to OpenBook, since I have never used it. I would strongly suggest trying both programs before being pushed into choosing one. But if that is not possible, consider using whichever program you end up getting to read textbooks you receive in electronic format and not just for scanning.
> 
> 
>> On 1/22/2020 9:29 AM, Sanho Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw wrote:
>> All,
>> 
>> Thank you. What is the benefit of OpenBook or K1000 above something
>> like FineReader or Omnipage? My plan, such as there is one, is to
>> simply drop the text into a Word document, anyway.
>> 
>> Warmth,
>> Sanho
>> 
>> 
>>> On 1/21/20, Aser Tolentino via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> I prefer working with K1000 myself, and yes, OpenBook hasn’t been updated in
>>> something like a decade. TO be fair, K1000 hasn’t seen an update in about
>>> half a decade. FineReader and OmniPage are both perfectly serviceable
>>> options that cost half as much if that and give you equally usable OCR if
>>> you plan on using the finished product in a different application anyway.
>>> One advantage OpenBook has is that you can disable editing and just arrow
>>> around the document without fear of adding or modifying the scanned text.
>>> Once OCR has completed, K1000 drops you in something like a word processor.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 21, 2020, at 8:54 AM, rjaquiss via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello Sanho:
>>>> 
>>>>     Unless it has been recently updated, OpenBook is an older program. I
>>>> would look at Kurzweil K1000 or Abby FineReader. The K1000 software has a
>>>> nice user interface designed for the blind. It is also more expensive. I
>>>> haven't tried FineReader, but understand it is accessible. It is certainly
>>>> less expensive than K1000. Kurzweil uses the FineReader and I think the
>>>> Omnipage scanning engine. You can download OpenBook from Freedom
>>>> Scientific
>>>> and give it a try for free. The last I knew, you could also get a CD from
>>>> Kurzweil which will run for 30 days. Hope this helps.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> 
>>>> Robert
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sanho
>>>> Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 9:17 AM
>>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List
>>>> Cc: Sanho Steele-Louchart
>>>> Subject: [blindLaw] OCR Question
>>>> 
>>>> All,
>>>> 
>>>> VocRehab is purchasing me an OCR program. They recommend OpenBook. Can
>>>> someone tell me the pros and cons of different OCR technologies, and
>>>> which you'd recommend for legal work?
>>>> 
>>>> Warmth,
>>>> Sanho
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> BlindLaw mailing list
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>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>>> et
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From agtolentino at gmail.com  Wed Jan 22 15:45:12 2020
From: agtolentino at gmail.com (Aser Tolentino)
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 07:45:12 -0800
Subject: [blindLaw] OCR Question
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K1000 and OpenBook both have document markup capabilities that make them good study tools. I always thought K1000 seemed a little more polished, but OpenBook is snappier when working with a document camera, which I think was why vocational rehabilitation agencies fell in love with it.

If you want mobile access to your textbooks, I’d use VoiceDream Reader. If the PDF has text, the app can extract it with heading structure intact. If it’s an imaged-based PDF you could use an OCR app to convert it. Theoretically, I think you could use VoiceDream Scanner to process it, but but don’t hold me to that. K1000 can produce any number of formats that VoiceDream can read, including ePub.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 22, 2020, at 7:05 AM, Maura Kutnyak via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone, 
> 
> I am anticipating a similar bout of a valuation and subsequent tech purchase as I prepare for law school.  does anyone know if K 1000 has a companion app which can be used on tablets or smart phones? I’m thinking it would be nice to be able to have textbooks loaded and portable. Sincerely,
> 
> Maura Kutnyak  MPA.
> 716-563-9882
> 
>> On Jan 22, 2020, at 9:53 AM, James via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> In K1000, you can hit a single key to scan a page or a key sequence for repeated scanning. You can also do tons of markup, create outlines, add marginal notes, etc. I frequently opened my PDF textbooks in K1000 as soon as I got them. It is not as easy to perform all of these functions in Word, not to mention that Word has a tendency to crash or freeze up when handling large files with an abundance of extraneous formatting. I can't speak to OpenBook, since I have never used it. I would strongly suggest trying both programs before being pushed into choosing one. But if that is not possible, consider using whichever program you end up getting to read textbooks you receive in electronic format and not just for scanning.
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 1/22/2020 9:29 AM, Sanho Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw wrote:
>>> All,
>>> 
>>> Thank you. What is the benefit of OpenBook or K1000 above something
>>> like FineReader or Omnipage? My plan, such as there is one, is to
>>> simply drop the text into a Word document, anyway.
>>> 
>>> Warmth,
>>> Sanho
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 1/21/20, Aser Tolentino via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> I prefer working with K1000 myself, and yes, OpenBook hasn’t been updated in
>>>> something like a decade. TO be fair, K1000 hasn’t seen an update in about
>>>> half a decade. FineReader and OmniPage are both perfectly serviceable
>>>> options that cost half as much if that and give you equally usable OCR if
>>>> you plan on using the finished product in a different application anyway.
>>>> One advantage OpenBook has is that you can disable editing and just arrow
>>>> around the document without fear of adding or modifying the scanned text.
>>>> Once OCR has completed, K1000 drops you in something like a word processor.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 21, 2020, at 8:54 AM, rjaquiss via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello Sanho:
>>>>> 
>>>>>    Unless it has been recently updated, OpenBook is an older program. I
>>>>> would look at Kurzweil K1000 or Abby FineReader. The K1000 software has a
>>>>> nice user interface designed for the blind. It is also more expensive. I
>>>>> haven't tried FineReader, but understand it is accessible. It is certainly
>>>>> less expensive than K1000. Kurzweil uses the FineReader and I think the
>>>>> Omnipage scanning engine. You can download OpenBook from Freedom
>>>>> Scientific
>>>>> and give it a try for free. The last I knew, you could also get a CD from
>>>>> Kurzweil which will run for 30 days. Hope this helps.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Robert
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sanho
>>>>> Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 9:17 AM
>>>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List
>>>>> Cc: Sanho Steele-Louchart
>>>>> Subject: [blindLaw] OCR Question
>>>>> 
>>>>> All,
>>>>> 
>>>>> VocRehab is purchasing me an OCR program. They recommend OpenBook. Can
>>>>> someone tell me the pros and cons of different OCR technologies, and
>>>>> which you'd recommend for legal work?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Warmth,
>>>>> Sanho
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list
>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>> BlindLaw:
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>>>>> et
>>>>> 
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From maurakutnyak at gmail.com  Wed Jan 22 15:55:18 2020
From: maurakutnyak at gmail.com (Maura Kutnyak)
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 10:55:18 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] OCR Question
In-Reply-To: <B4286531-57FF-439D-8B31-A258968F780D@gmail.com>
References: <B4286531-57FF-439D-8B31-A258968F780D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <33F34A33-C4BF-4485-90D6-4ED3ED256C21@gmail.com>

Thank you, I recently purchased voice dream reader and scanner based on discussion from this group. I haven’t had a reason to spend a lot of time using either app yet. That said, it was not immediately apparent to me how voice dream reader was different from the Books app which is native to my iPhone. Maybe it’s just because I haven’t really put it through its paces.

Sincerely,

Maura Kutnyak  MPA.
716-563-9882

> On Jan 22, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Aser Tolentino via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> K1000 and OpenBook both have document markup capabilities that make them good study tools. I always thought K1000 seemed a little more polished, but OpenBook is snappier when working with a document camera, which I think was why vocational rehabilitation agencies fell in love with it.
> 
> If you want mobile access to your textbooks, I’d use VoiceDream Reader. If the PDF has text, the app can extract it with heading structure intact. If it’s an imaged-based PDF you could use an OCR app to convert it. Theoretically, I think you could use VoiceDream Scanner to process it, but but don’t hold me to that. K1000 can produce any number of formats that VoiceDream can read, including ePub.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 22, 2020, at 7:05 AM, Maura Kutnyak via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello everyone, 
>> 
>> I am anticipating a similar bout of a valuation and subsequent tech purchase as I prepare for law school.  does anyone know if K 1000 has a companion app which can be used on tablets or smart phones? I’m thinking it would be nice to be able to have textbooks loaded and portable. Sincerely,
>> 
>> Maura Kutnyak  MPA.
>> 716-563-9882
>> 
>>>> On Jan 22, 2020, at 9:53 AM, James via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> In K1000, you can hit a single key to scan a page or a key sequence for repeated scanning. You can also do tons of markup, create outlines, add marginal notes, etc. I frequently opened my PDF textbooks in K1000 as soon as I got them. It is not as easy to perform all of these functions in Word, not to mention that Word has a tendency to crash or freeze up when handling large files with an abundance of extraneous formatting. I can't speak to OpenBook, since I have never used it. I would strongly suggest trying both programs before being pushed into choosing one. But if that is not possible, consider using whichever program you end up getting to read textbooks you receive in electronic format and not just for scanning.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> On 1/22/2020 9:29 AM, Sanho Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw wrote:
>>>> All,
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you. What is the benefit of OpenBook or K1000 above something
>>>> like FineReader or Omnipage? My plan, such as there is one, is to
>>>> simply drop the text into a Word document, anyway.
>>>> 
>>>> Warmth,
>>>> Sanho
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 1/21/20, Aser Tolentino via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> I prefer working with K1000 myself, and yes, OpenBook hasn’t been updated in
>>>>> something like a decade. TO be fair, K1000 hasn’t seen an update in about
>>>>> half a decade. FineReader and OmniPage are both perfectly serviceable
>>>>> options that cost half as much if that and give you equally usable OCR if
>>>>> you plan on using the finished product in a different application anyway.
>>>>> One advantage OpenBook has is that you can disable editing and just arrow
>>>>> around the document without fear of adding or modifying the scanned text.
>>>>> Once OCR has completed, K1000 drops you in something like a word processor.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jan 21, 2020, at 8:54 AM, rjaquiss via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello Sanho:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>   Unless it has been recently updated, OpenBook is an older program. I
>>>>>> would look at Kurzweil K1000 or Abby FineReader. The K1000 software has a
>>>>>> nice user interface designed for the blind. It is also more expensive. I
>>>>>> haven't tried FineReader, but understand it is accessible. It is certainly
>>>>>> less expensive than K1000. Kurzweil uses the FineReader and I think the
>>>>>> Omnipage scanning engine. You can download OpenBook from Freedom
>>>>>> Scientific
>>>>>> and give it a try for free. The last I knew, you could also get a CD from
>>>>>> Kurzweil which will run for 30 days. Hope this helps.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sanho
>>>>>> Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw
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From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2020 17:22:43 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] DOJ disability Rights Section Attorney Vacancies
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From: The Disability Discussion Docket (3D) <3D at MAIL.AMERICANBAR.ORG<mailto:3D at MAIL.AMERICANBAR.ORG>> On Behalf Of Welan, Joy (CRT)
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 2:17 PM
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Subject: [ABA-3D] Attorney Vacancies

The Disability Rights Section of the Civil Rights Division at the U.S. Department of Justice is hiring trial attorneys.  Links to the job postings are below.  Qualified individuals with disabilities are welcome and encouraged to apply!  Information about how to obtain reasonable accommodations for the application and interview process are included in the posting, but if you need this information in an alternate format, I'd be happy to provide it upon request.

https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/557145700
https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/557145900

Please feel free to share this information with organizations and individuals who may be interested.

Thanks,
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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Thu Jan 23 18:28:40 2020
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2020 18:28:40 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] FYI:  Dept. of Transportation NPRM on Service animals
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https://www.transportation.gov/individuals/aviation-consumer-protection/notice-proposed-rulemaking-traveling-air-service-animals

The U.S. Department of Transportation is seeking comment in this Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM), Traveling by Air with Service Animals. This NPRM proposes to amend the definition of a service animal in air transportation and includes safeguards to ensure safety and reduce the likelihood that passengers wishing to travel with their pets on aircraft will be able to falsely claim that their pets are service animals.



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From dave146757 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 29 17:00:02 2020
From: dave146757 at yahoo.com (David Freeman)
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 09:00:02 -0800
Subject: [blindLaw] Odyssey or JABS
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I am a long time lurker on this list serve but, have never contributed.  I was recently appointed as a Superior Court Judge in Washington State.  In my last position I used Zoomtext as I still have central vision.  I will now be using Odyssey by Tyler tech.  and JABS on a daily basis.  Is there anyone from Washington that regularly uses these platforms with any kind of assistive technology?  I think Tyler is the platform for court management in some other jurisdictions as well, I’m not sure it’s under the Odyssey name though.  I’m just trying to get an idea of whether I can continue using Zoomtext or, whether there is a better suited assistive program for these platforms.  Thanks!  

Dave Freeman 

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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Wed Jan 29 19:42:08 2020
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 19:42:08 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Odyssey or JABS
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Congatulations, David!  Appointment by the Governor to the superior court is a wonderful achievement!  I am sorry that I don't have any input regarding the accessibility issues ou you raised, though.

Noel
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Subject: [blindLaw] Odyssey or JABS

I am a long time lurker on this list serve but, have never contributed.  I was recently appointed as a Superior Court Judge in Washington State.  In my last position I used Zoomtext as I still have central vision.  I will now be using Odyssey by Tyler tech.  and JABS on a daily basis.  Is there anyone from Washington that regularly uses these platforms with any kind of assistive technology?  I think Tyler is the platform for court management in some other jurisdictions as well, I’m not sure it’s under the Odyssey name though.  I’m just trying to get an idea of whether I can continue using Zoomtext or, whether there is a better suited assistive program for these platforms.  Thanks!  

Dave Freeman 

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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Wed Jan 29 22:24:30 2020
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 22:24:30 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Fwd: trial attorney openings
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From: washingtonattorneyswithdisabilitiesassociation at googlegroups.com <washingtonattorneyswithdisabilitiesassociation at googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Jonathan Ko
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Date: Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 12:43 PM
Subject: trial attorney openings
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Dear minority and specialty bar representatives:

The U.S. Department of Labor, Office of the Solicitor, has two openings for experienced trial attorneys. The job announcement and application procedure is in the following link: USAJobs: https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/558046900

Please note that we may fill this position in any one of our three offices: Los Angeles, San Francisco or Seattle.

Please distribute to your membership as you deem appropriate. If you have any questions, do not hesitate to contact me.

Regards,


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From rene0373 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 30 15:50:05 2020
From: rene0373 at gmail.com (Elizabeth Rene)
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 07:50:05 -0800
Subject: [blindLaw] Odyssey and JABS
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Congratulations Dave!
I’m thrilled that Governor Inslee has appointed you to the Superior Court.
Which county are you serving?
I’d love to talk with you about these judicial information systems.
I think that whether you can continue to use zoomText or not Will depend on your county’s IT system. You’ll have to build your technology into that. Let’s communicate off line about this. I’m currently getting ready to serve as a municipal court judge pro tem in Seattle.
I think we could help each other.
Best regards, 

Elizabeth M René
Attorney & Counselor at Law
+1(206)487-4448 
erene at reneslaw.com
4111 E. Madison Street #350
Seattle, WA  98112

From rene0373 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 30 18:37:15 2020
From: rene0373 at gmail.com (Elizabeth Rene)
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 10:37:15 -0800
Subject: [blindLaw] Odyssey and JABS
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Hi All,
Thought you might like to see this article about David Freeman‘s appointment to the Superior Court bench.

Inslee appoints David Freeman to the Whatcom County Superior Court 
January 28, 2020
Story 
Gov. Jay Inslee appointed David Freeman today to the Whatcom County Superior Court. He replaces Justice Raquel Montoya-Lewis, who was recently appointed to the Washington State Supreme Court.

Freeman has worked the past nine years for the Washington State Employee Security Department as a review judge in the Commissioner's Review Office.

Before his work for the state, Freeman worked as an attorney for over five years in Whatcom County. He worked as senior deputy prosecuting attorney for the Whatcom County Prosecutor's Office and as special deputy prosecuting attorney for the Whatcom County Prosecuting Attorney's Office. 

Freeman has also served as a judicial officer on a number of courts throughout Western Washington for several years, where he has acquired important skills that have prepared him for this next step. 

“For several years, David has gained judicial experience, not just as a review judge with ESD, but also as a pro tem judge and commissioner.  We have heard from many people who have appeared before him, and each of those people spoke highly of his talent and demeanor from the bench.”

Freeman received his law degree from the Willamette University College of Law and his bachelor's from Western Washington University.



Elizabeth M René
Attorney & Counselor at Law
+1(206)487-4448 
erene at reneslaw.com
4111 E. Madison Street #350
Seattle, WA  98112

From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Thu Jan 30 19:37:55 2020
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 19:37:55 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] FW: Diversity Notification- Federal communications
 Commission Washington, D.C.
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Subject: [Jobs] FW: Diversity Notification



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National Federation of the Blind
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Dear Sir/Madam:

Your organization and its members might be interested in the following vacancy announcement:

Announcement Number: ATTY-OEA-2020-002

Vacancy Description: Attorney-Advisor (Legal Advisor)

Open Period: 01/29/2020 to 02/18/2020

Series/Grade: GS-0905B Attorney Advisor-14/15

Salary: (USD) $121,316 - (USD) $170,800

Hiring Agency: Federal Communications Commission

Duty Location: Washington, DC, US

For more information, please visit the vacancy announcement located at https://careerconnector.jobs.treas.gov/cc/fcc/vacancy/viewVacancyDetail!execute.hms?orgId=1751&jnum=193983.

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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Fri Jan 31 16:38:49 2020
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Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 16:38:49 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] US. Department of Justice Attorney Vacancies Update-
 disability Rights Section
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Civil Rights Division (CRT)
Disability Rights Section and Special Litigation Section
Washington, District of Columbia
Announcement #: 20-ATT-DAT-001
Application Deadline: February 10, 2020

  *   The attorneys selected will be dedicated to the selecting Section's work pursuant to the Health Care Fraud and Abuse Control ("HCFAC") Program, with an emphasis on the Section's matters that seek to enforce compliance with the ADA's integration mandate by preventing unnecessary segregation of persons with disabilities in institutions such as mental health facilities, nursing facilities, and other congregate settings. Applicants who wish to be considered by only one of the Sections should identify that Section in the applicant's cover letter.

The incumbent will be responsible for duties such as, but not limited to: (1) personally handling sensitive and/or complex investigations, litigation, and negotiations; (2) contributing to the development of strategies and priorities for HCFAC and Olmstead enforcement; (3) coordinating with other federal agencies to develop strategies for effective and efficient information sharing and case referrals; and (4) conducting outreach. The incumbent will be responsible for screening and developing new matters, conducting comprehensive investigations involving in-person visits, interviewing witnesses, working with experts, analyzing data, drafting written recommendations including legal analyses, litigating Olmstead claims and negotiating, monitoring, and enforcing settlement agreements. Litigation associated with these investigations is typically complex, involving extensive discovery, pretrial motions practice, preliminary injunction hearings, trials, and post judgment enforcement. This position requires travel and may require extended hours.
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Civil Rights Division (CRT)
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Washington, District of Columbia
Announcement #: 20-ATT-DAT-002
Application Deadline: February 10, 2020

The experienced attorneys selected for these positions will be primarily responsible for investigating alleged violations of the ADA, negotiating settlements, and, when necessary, litigating claims under the ADA.

Trial Attorneys are responsible for screening and developing new matters, conducting investigations, litigating complex cases, and monitoring compliance in connection with DRS's enforcement activities.

These duties include, but are not limited to:

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From shannonldillon at gmail.com  Fri Jan 31 17:56:39 2020
From: shannonldillon at gmail.com (Shannon Dillon)
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 09:56:39 -0800
Subject: [blindLaw] OCR Question
In-Reply-To: <33F34A33-C4BF-4485-90D6-4ED3ED256C21@gmail.com>
References: <B4286531-57FF-439D-8B31-A258968F780D@gmail.com>
	<33F34A33-C4BF-4485-90D6-4ED3ED256C21@gmail.com>
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Is Kurzweil better at scanning tables than OpenBook? I'm having to go
through a lot of tabular data right now and my OpenBook keeps
crashing.
Thanks.



On 1/22/20, Maura Kutnyak via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Thank you, I recently purchased voice dream reader and scanner based on
> discussion from this group. I haven’t had a reason to spend a lot of time
> using either app yet. That said, it was not immediately apparent to me how
> voice dream reader was different from the Books app which is native to my
> iPhone. Maybe it’s just because I haven’t really put it through its paces.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Maura Kutnyak  MPA.
> 716-563-9882
>
>> On Jan 22, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Aser Tolentino via BlindLaw
>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> K1000 and OpenBook both have document markup capabilities that make them
>> good study tools. I always thought K1000 seemed a little more polished,
>> but OpenBook is snappier when working with a document camera, which I
>> think was why vocational rehabilitation agencies fell in love with it.
>>
>> If you want mobile access to your textbooks, I’d use VoiceDream Reader. If
>> the PDF has text, the app can extract it with heading structure intact. If
>> it’s an imaged-based PDF you could use an OCR app to convert it.
>> Theoretically, I think you could use VoiceDream Scanner to process it, but
>> but don’t hold me to that. K1000 can produce any number of formats that
>> VoiceDream can read, including ePub.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jan 22, 2020, at 7:05 AM, Maura Kutnyak via BlindLaw
>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello everyone,
>>>
>>> I am anticipating a similar bout of a valuation and subsequent tech
>>> purchase as I prepare for law school.  does anyone know if K 1000 has a
>>> companion app which can be used on tablets or smart phones? I’m thinking
>>> it would be nice to be able to have textbooks loaded and portable.
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Maura Kutnyak  MPA.
>>> 716-563-9882
>>>
>>>>> On Jan 22, 2020, at 9:53 AM, James via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> In K1000, you can hit a single key to scan a page or a key sequence for
>>>> repeated scanning. You can also do tons of markup, create outlines, add
>>>> marginal notes, etc. I frequently opened my PDF textbooks in K1000 as
>>>> soon as I got them. It is not as easy to perform all of these functions
>>>> in Word, not to mention that Word has a tendency to crash or freeze up
>>>> when handling large files with an abundance of extraneous formatting. I
>>>> can't speak to OpenBook, since I have never used it. I would strongly
>>>> suggest trying both programs before being pushed into choosing one. But
>>>> if that is not possible, consider using whichever program you end up
>>>> getting to read textbooks you receive in electronic format and not just
>>>> for scanning.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/22/2020 9:29 AM, Sanho Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw wrote:
>>>>> All,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you. What is the benefit of OpenBook or K1000 above something
>>>>> like FineReader or Omnipage? My plan, such as there is one, is to
>>>>> simply drop the text into a Word document, anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> Warmth,
>>>>> Sanho
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/21/20, Aser Tolentino via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> I prefer working with K1000 myself, and yes, OpenBook hasn’t been
>>>>>> updated in
>>>>>> something like a decade. TO be fair, K1000 hasn’t seen an update in
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> half a decade. FineReader and OmniPage are both perfectly serviceable
>>>>>> options that cost half as much if that and give you equally usable OCR
>>>>>> if
>>>>>> you plan on using the finished product in a different application
>>>>>> anyway.
>>>>>> One advantage OpenBook has is that you can disable editing and just
>>>>>> arrow
>>>>>> around the document without fear of adding or modifying the scanned
>>>>>> text.
>>>>>> Once OCR has completed, K1000 drops you in something like a word
>>>>>> processor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jan 21, 2020, at 8:54 AM, rjaquiss via BlindLaw
>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello Sanho:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   Unless it has been recently updated, OpenBook is an older program.
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> would look at Kurzweil K1000 or Abby FineReader. The K1000 software
>>>>>>> has a
>>>>>>> nice user interface designed for the blind. It is also more
>>>>>>> expensive. I
>>>>>>> haven't tried FineReader, but understand it is accessible. It is
>>>>>>> certainly
>>>>>>> less expensive than K1000. Kurzweil uses the FineReader and I think
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> Omnipage scanning engine. You can download OpenBook from Freedom
>>>>>>> Scientific
>>>>>>> and give it a try for free. The last I knew, you could also get a CD
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>> Kurzweil which will run for 30 days. Hope this helps.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>> Sanho
>>>>>>> Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 9:17 AM
>>>>>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List
>>>>>>> Cc: Sanho Steele-Louchart
>>>>>>> Subject: [blindLaw] OCR Question
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> VocRehab is purchasing me an OCR program. They recommend OpenBook.
>>>>>>> Can
>>>>>>> someone tell me the pros and cons of different OCR technologies, and
>>>>>>> which you'd recommend for legal work?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Warmth,
>>>>>>> Sanho
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list
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>>>>>>> et
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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Secretary and Legislative Coordinator
National Federation of the Blind
of California
The National Federation of the Blind is a community of members and
friends who believe in the hopes and dreams of the nation’s blind.
Every day we work together to help blind people live the lives they
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From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 31 20:20:47 2020
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 15:20:47 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] OCR Question
In-Reply-To: <CA+JLRL--pco8p189TNb2Qs092DnaHz1kS5ckM5buPRDKA8=bTQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+JLRL--pco8p189TNb2Qs092DnaHz1kS5ckM5buPRDKA8=bTQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D33D2395-72B6-48A0-9DE4-EE7AA416546D@gmail.com>

Hi all. Good afternoon. I do have some  question though. I’m not in law school yet, but I’m still in University taking my Civil right and liberties course, which is Pos 4604 course. This is online course. I have my book in word format and I do read it portable with voice dream reader or sometimes my BrailleNote Touch plus.  However, one of the problems I’m facing that the book headings  JAWS is able to  read on my windows computer, but Voice dream reader does not read it. Does the headings option works better with PDF files read better on Voice dream reader than word files when it comes to headings? Just wondering. This is my last year in university. I’m completing my bachelor degree, and. I will be done this 2020 december. I always struggle with PdF files in the past years. I will really appreciate any feedback. My other question is, I use to have open book, but it was Openbook 9 eddition. What type  of  O-C-R software you recommend?  It is k1000 ok or get the other oCR better? I just want to prepare for law school and I do  want to have  softwares and better equipped devises.  I’m planning to take the LSAT next year. I have some questions about that, but I will do it in another post emessage.  My DBS councelor bought me the Braille Note Touch  plus last year, but since this is my last year I’m not so sure if I should ask for K1000 OCR or other  ones  that you could recommend as law school students and attorneys’ practicing. The reason I’m insecure in asking her that, is that she purchase  me the BrailleNote Touch plus, and you guys understand how rehab counselor are sometimes in regards  of pruchasing new equipments and so forth.  I look forward to hear from  you soon. Thanks so much for your time.  

Helga Schreiber 
Email Address: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
Sent from my iPhone 11 Pro Max 

 

> On Jan 31, 2020, at 12:57 PM, Shannon Dillon via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Is Kurzweil better at scanning tables than OpenBook? I'm having to go
> through a lot of tabular data right now and my OpenBook keeps
> crashing.
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> 
>> On 1/22/20, Maura Kutnyak via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Thank you, I recently purchased voice dream reader and scanner based on
>> discussion from this group. I haven’t had a reason to spend a lot of time
>> using either app yet. That said, it was not immediately apparent to me how
>> voice dream reader was different from the Books app which is native to my
>> iPhone. Maybe it’s just because I haven’t really put it through its paces.
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> 
>> Maura Kutnyak  MPA.
>> 716-563-9882
>> 
>>> On Jan 22, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Aser Tolentino via BlindLaw
>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> K1000 and OpenBook both have document markup capabilities that make them
>>> good study tools. I always thought K1000 seemed a little more polished,
>>> but OpenBook is snappier when working with a document camera, which I
>>> think was why vocational rehabilitation agencies fell in love with it.
>>> 
>>> If you want mobile access to your textbooks, I’d use VoiceDream Reader. If
>>> the PDF has text, the app can extract it with heading structure intact. If
>>> it’s an imaged-based PDF you could use an OCR app to convert it.
>>> Theoretically, I think you could use VoiceDream Scanner to process it, but
>>> but don’t hold me to that. K1000 can produce any number of formats that
>>> VoiceDream can read, including ePub.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 22, 2020, at 7:05 AM, Maura Kutnyak via BlindLaw
>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>> 
>>>> I am anticipating a similar bout of a valuation and subsequent tech
>>>> purchase as I prepare for law school.  does anyone know if K 1000 has a
>>>> companion app which can be used on tablets or smart phones? I’m thinking
>>>> it would be nice to be able to have textbooks loaded and portable.
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> 
>>>> Maura Kutnyak  MPA.
>>>> 716-563-9882
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jan 22, 2020, at 9:53 AM, James via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> In K1000, you can hit a single key to scan a page or a key sequence for
>>>>> repeated scanning. You can also do tons of markup, create outlines, add
>>>>> marginal notes, etc. I frequently opened my PDF textbooks in K1000 as
>>>>> soon as I got them. It is not as easy to perform all of these functions
>>>>> in Word, not to mention that Word has a tendency to crash or freeze up
>>>>> when handling large files with an abundance of extraneous formatting. I
>>>>> can't speak to OpenBook, since I have never used it. I would strongly
>>>>> suggest trying both programs before being pushed into choosing one. But
>>>>> if that is not possible, consider using whichever program you end up
>>>>> getting to read textbooks you receive in electronic format and not just
>>>>> for scanning.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 1/22/2020 9:29 AM, Sanho Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw wrote:
>>>>>> All,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thank you. What is the benefit of OpenBook or K1000 above something
>>>>>> like FineReader or Omnipage? My plan, such as there is one, is to
>>>>>> simply drop the text into a Word document, anyway.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Warmth,
>>>>>> Sanho
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 1/21/20, Aser Tolentino via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> I prefer working with K1000 myself, and yes, OpenBook hasn’t been
>>>>>>> updated in
>>>>>>> something like a decade. TO be fair, K1000 hasn’t seen an update in
>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>> half a decade. FineReader and OmniPage are both perfectly serviceable
>>>>>>> options that cost half as much if that and give you equally usable OCR
>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>> you plan on using the finished product in a different application
>>>>>>> anyway.
>>>>>>> One advantage OpenBook has is that you can disable editing and just
>>>>>>> arrow
>>>>>>> around the document without fear of adding or modifying the scanned
>>>>>>> text.
>>>>>>> Once OCR has completed, K1000 drops you in something like a word
>>>>>>> processor.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jan 21, 2020, at 8:54 AM, rjaquiss via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hello Sanho:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>  Unless it has been recently updated, OpenBook is an older program.
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> would look at Kurzweil K1000 or Abby FineReader. The K1000 software
>>>>>>>> has a
>>>>>>>> nice user interface designed for the blind. It is also more
>>>>>>>> expensive. I
>>>>>>>> haven't tried FineReader, but understand it is accessible. It is
>>>>>>>> certainly
>>>>>>>> less expensive than K1000. Kurzweil uses the FineReader and I think
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> Omnipage scanning engine. You can download OpenBook from Freedom
>>>>>>>> Scientific
>>>>>>>> and give it a try for free. The last I knew, you could also get a CD
>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>> Kurzweil which will run for 30 days. Hope this helps.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>>> Sanho
>>>>>>>> Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 9:17 AM
>>>>>>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List
>>>>>>>> Cc: Sanho Steele-Louchart
>>>>>>>> Subject: [blindLaw] OCR Question
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> VocRehab is purchasing me an OCR program. They recommend OpenBook.
>>>>>>>> Can
>>>>>>>> someone tell me the pros and cons of different OCR technologies, and
>>>>>>>> which you'd recommend for legal work?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Warmth,
>>>>>>>> Sanho
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list
>>>>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>>>>> BlindLaw:
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>>>>>>>> et
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
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> 
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> Secretary and Legislative Coordinator
> National Federation of the Blind
> of California
> The National Federation of the Blind is a community of members and
> friends who believe in the hopes and dreams of the nation’s blind.
> Every day we work together to help blind people live the lives they
> want.
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