From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Thu Jul  1 14:45:49 2021
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2021 14:45:49 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Office For Civil Rights U.S. Department of Education:
 Vacancy Announcement for General Attorney (Title VI and IX Teams)
 GS-0905-13/14 in the Program Legal Group (PLG) Office in Washington, D.C.
Message-ID: <SA9PR09MB5454363CB0804A29ACC2B0CFF9009@SA9PR09MB5454.namprd09.prod.outlook.com>

See below the link for OCR USAJOBS vacancy announcements for a General Attorney (Title VI and IX Teams) GS-0905-13/14 (Open Continuous) in the PLG Office in Washington, D.C.

Announcement(s):

The opening date is 07/1/2021 and closing date is 06/29/2022.

OCR-HQ-2021-0035
General Attorney (Title VI and IX Teams) GS-0905-13/14 (Open Continuous)
https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/606311400




From tim at timeldermusic.com  Thu Jul  1 17:54:21 2021
From: tim at timeldermusic.com (tim at timeldermusic.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2021 10:54:21 -0700
Subject: [blindLaw] Screen-readers and Dell Machines
In-Reply-To: <CAKM5H_2Y8gjWnE5Mg6+eGCUTzKN_Jki5ifTevswxvTrNXp6mbQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAL6jpeys=yMs_h+x7e+tzmKjAsEXtBLQPjH+Sknb=sAdkHTmjw@mail.gmail.com>
 <E97A4B37-0F5F-43AA-B013-180E767D4C9F@icloud.com>
 <CAKM5H_2Y8gjWnE5Mg6+eGCUTzKN_Jki5ifTevswxvTrNXp6mbQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008601d76ea2$1f8e5d60$5eab1820$@timeldermusic.com>

I'm thrilled to see this thread.  I recently bought a new Dell Precision laptop to replace my old XPS and have been having all kinds of problems with it.  I will gladly help with a letter while I start shopping around for Microsoft Surface machines.


-----Original Message-----
From: Teresita Rios <teresitarios22 at gmail.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2021 7:25 AM
To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Screen-readers and Dell Machines

Lauren I like your idea of writing a letter. Perhaps all of us who are having serious issues with Dell computers can write a draft, then we can approach NFB and ask any other affected individuals to join. I think NFB would be more inclined to send the letter if we help.
I am usually busy during the week, but I am pretty free on the weekends.
Having a job is easier than school. lol.
To start, if anyone is interested email me directly so we do not bombard the mailing list with suggestions and edits.

Thanks
Teresita Rios


On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 9:31 AM Lauren Bishop via BlindLaw < blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I have been following this thread for a while. I also have a Dell 
> machine, and I have definitely had apps crash while I am using them and I have also
> seen an out of memory error box pop up   Now that I know others are
> experiencing this problem, I have done a little digging. I read on a 
> form for NVDA users that this memory leak is caused by dels real tech 
> audio drivers. Essentially, Dell  has tweaked the drivers in such a 
> way that it causes a memory leak when NVDA or jaws are running. Given 
> that Dell is a popular brand of computers, it might be wise for the 
> NFB to reach out to Dell  regarding this issue.
> Lauren
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 29, 2021, at 5:00 PM, Sanho Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw <
> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Luis and others,
> >
> > Just changing the subject line so the powers that be don't need to 
> > grumble at us.
> >
> > No, anti-virus programs don't make a difference, and both of my 
> > laptops have plenty of space when the problem happens. I actually 
> > did a clean install of Windows from a USB this weekend and the 
> > problem disappeared... right up to the point Windows Update reloaded 
> > the various security patches and driver updates it onboards automatically.
> >
> > Rob mentioned loading on Windows 10 LTSC, the stripped-down 
> > operating system without bloatware, etc. Unfortunately, Windows 
> > Enterprise will only sell LTSC licenses to authorized businesses and 
> > only in packages of 5 product keys. The upshot is that private 
> > individuals aren't usually granted licenses, and when they are, they're about $400.
> >
> > At this point I'm considering buying something from a different 
> > manufacturer. I'm just afraid of spending many hundreds of dollars 
> > just to have the same problem present itself on another machine.
> >
> > Sanho
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > BlindLaw mailing list
> > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info 
> > for
> BlindLaw:
> >
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/laurenbishop96%4
> 0icloud.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> BlindLaw mailing list
> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
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> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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From syedrizvinfb at gmail.com  Thu Jul  1 18:02:30 2021
From: syedrizvinfb at gmail.com (Syed Rizvi)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2021 14:02:30 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] Screen-readers and Dell Machines
In-Reply-To: <008601d76ea2$1f8e5d60$5eab1820$@timeldermusic.com>
References: <008601d76ea2$1f8e5d60$5eab1820$@timeldermusic.com>
Message-ID: <8CB67623-B345-425E-BDA4-67CDE3D528F1@gmail.com>

My VR agency provided me with a Dell laptop for law school and it is next to impossible to use with JAWS. I'm glad this is not a me issue.



-- 
Syed Mahmud Rizvi 

SyedRizviNFB at gmail.com 
(413)250-3523 

Harvard Law School, JD Candidate, 2024 
Paul and Daisy Soros Fellow 
Jacobus Tenbroek Fellow 
SEO Law Fellow 
Lighthouse Guild Scholar 

The University of Texas at Austin, BA in Government, 2020 
Dean's Distinguished Graduate

> On Jul 1, 2021, at 1:55 PM, Tim Elder via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I'm thrilled to see this thread.  I recently bought a new Dell Precision laptop to replace my old XPS and have been having all kinds of problems with it.  I will gladly help with a letter while I start shopping around for Microsoft Surface machines.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Teresita Rios <teresitarios22 at gmail.com> 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2021 7:25 AM
> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Screen-readers and Dell Machines
> 
> Lauren I like your idea of writing a letter. Perhaps all of us who are having serious issues with Dell computers can write a draft, then we can approach NFB and ask any other affected individuals to join. I think NFB would be more inclined to send the letter if we help.
> I am usually busy during the week, but I am pretty free on the weekends.
> Having a job is easier than school. lol.
> To start, if anyone is interested email me directly so we do not bombard the mailing list with suggestions and edits.
> 
> Thanks
> Teresita Rios
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 9:31 AM Lauren Bishop via BlindLaw < blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> I have been following this thread for a while. I also have a Dell 
>> machine, and I have definitely had apps crash while I am using them and I have also
>> seen an out of memory error box pop up   Now that I know others are
>> experiencing this problem, I have done a little digging. I read on a 
>> form for NVDA users that this memory leak is caused by dels real tech 
>> audio drivers. Essentially, Dell  has tweaked the drivers in such a 
>> way that it causes a memory leak when NVDA or jaws are running. Given 
>> that Dell is a popular brand of computers, it might be wise for the 
>> NFB to reach out to Dell  regarding this issue.
>> Lauren
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 29, 2021, at 5:00 PM, Sanho Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw <
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Luis and others,
>>> 
>>> Just changing the subject line so the powers that be don't need to 
>>> grumble at us.
>>> 
>>> No, anti-virus programs don't make a difference, and both of my 
>>> laptops have plenty of space when the problem happens. I actually 
>>> did a clean install of Windows from a USB this weekend and the 
>>> problem disappeared... right up to the point Windows Update reloaded 
>>> the various security patches and driver updates it onboards automatically.
>>> 
>>> Rob mentioned loading on Windows 10 LTSC, the stripped-down 
>>> operating system without bloatware, etc. Unfortunately, Windows 
>>> Enterprise will only sell LTSC licenses to authorized businesses and 
>>> only in packages of 5 product keys. The upshot is that private 
>>> individuals aren't usually granted licenses, and when they are, they're about $400.
>>> 
>>> At this point I'm considering buying something from a different 
>>> manufacturer. I'm just afraid of spending many hundreds of dollars 
>>> just to have the same problem present itself on another machine.
>>> 
>>> Sanho
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> BlindLaw mailing list
>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info 
>>> for
>> BlindLaw:
>>> 
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/laurenbishop96%4
>> 0icloud.com
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> BlindLaw mailing list
>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> BlindLaw:
>> 
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>> 0gmail.com
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> BlindLaw mailing list
> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw:
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From agtolentino at gmail.com  Thu Jul  1 18:05:55 2021
From: agtolentino at gmail.com (Aser Tolentino)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2021 11:05:55 -0700
Subject: [blindLaw] Screen-readers and Dell Machines
In-Reply-To: <008601d76ea2$1f8e5d60$5eab1820$@timeldermusic.com>
References: <008601d76ea2$1f8e5d60$5eab1820$@timeldermusic.com>
Message-ID: <43595828-0AB2-4CBA-9A91-BE7815656AB6@gmail.com>

My office just yesterday tried selling me on accepting a Latitude 7410 and I reflexively pushed back even though aside from some personal preferences I knew I recalled a reason to avoid Dell. In retrospect I was afraid that I was acting based on some implicit bias I’d picked up along the way. Then I saw this thread and while feeling a bit more justified, I”m dismayed that this is in fact still a problem.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 1, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Tim Elder via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I'm thrilled to see this thread.  I recently bought a new Dell Precision laptop to replace my old XPS and have been having all kinds of problems with it.  I will gladly help with a letter while I start shopping around for Microsoft Surface machines.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Teresita Rios <teresitarios22 at gmail.com> 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2021 7:25 AM
> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Screen-readers and Dell Machines
> 
> Lauren I like your idea of writing a letter. Perhaps all of us who are having serious issues with Dell computers can write a draft, then we can approach NFB and ask any other affected individuals to join. I think NFB would be more inclined to send the letter if we help.
> I am usually busy during the week, but I am pretty free on the weekends.
> Having a job is easier than school. lol.
> To start, if anyone is interested email me directly so we do not bombard the mailing list with suggestions and edits.
> 
> Thanks
> Teresita Rios
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 9:31 AM Lauren Bishop via BlindLaw < blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> I have been following this thread for a while. I also have a Dell 
>> machine, and I have definitely had apps crash while I am using them and I have also
>> seen an out of memory error box pop up   Now that I know others are
>> experiencing this problem, I have done a little digging. I read on a 
>> form for NVDA users that this memory leak is caused by dels real tech 
>> audio drivers. Essentially, Dell  has tweaked the drivers in such a 
>> way that it causes a memory leak when NVDA or jaws are running. Given 
>> that Dell is a popular brand of computers, it might be wise for the 
>> NFB to reach out to Dell  regarding this issue.
>> Lauren
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 29, 2021, at 5:00 PM, Sanho Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw <
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Luis and others,
>>> 
>>> Just changing the subject line so the powers that be don't need to 
>>> grumble at us.
>>> 
>>> No, anti-virus programs don't make a difference, and both of my 
>>> laptops have plenty of space when the problem happens. I actually 
>>> did a clean install of Windows from a USB this weekend and the 
>>> problem disappeared... right up to the point Windows Update reloaded 
>>> the various security patches and driver updates it onboards automatically.
>>> 
>>> Rob mentioned loading on Windows 10 LTSC, the stripped-down 
>>> operating system without bloatware, etc. Unfortunately, Windows 
>>> Enterprise will only sell LTSC licenses to authorized businesses and 
>>> only in packages of 5 product keys. The upshot is that private 
>>> individuals aren't usually granted licenses, and when they are, they're about $400.
>>> 
>>> At this point I'm considering buying something from a different 
>>> manufacturer. I'm just afraid of spending many hundreds of dollars 
>>> just to have the same problem present itself on another machine.
>>> 
>>> Sanho
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> BlindLaw mailing list
>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info 
>>> for
>> BlindLaw:
>>> 
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/laurenbishop96%4
>> 0icloud.com
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> BlindLaw mailing list
>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> BlindLaw:
>> 
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/teresitarios22%4
>> 0gmail.com
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> BlindLaw mailing list
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> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw:
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From NSingh at cov.com  Thu Jul  1 18:10:03 2021
From: NSingh at cov.com (Singh, Nandini)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2021 18:10:03 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Screen-readers and Dell Machines
In-Reply-To: <008601d76ea2$1f8e5d60$5eab1820$@timeldermusic.com>
References: <CAL6jpeys=yMs_h+x7e+tzmKjAsEXtBLQPjH+Sknb=sAdkHTmjw@mail.gmail.com>
 <E97A4B37-0F5F-43AA-B013-180E767D4C9F@icloud.com>
 <CAKM5H_2Y8gjWnE5Mg6+eGCUTzKN_Jki5ifTevswxvTrNXp6mbQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <008601d76ea2$1f8e5d60$5eab1820$@timeldermusic.com>
Message-ID: <86ca60030fca4bd6b4de793a48dbe57c@CBIvEX11EUS.cov.com>

I want to interject and say that Microsoft Surface units have a number of issues. Granted, the family member from where I got this information has an older Surface Book, but I hope this is useful: (1) the unit does not work well as either or a tablet, one of the main features that it advertises, (2) it is fairly heavy for what it is, (3) the audio output is not the greatest, (4) the audio headphone jack tends to fail in a relatively short amount of time but warranty does not cover it, (5) limited ports, which is becoming more standard as laptop profiles get thinner, so (6) please pay attention to specs when evaluating which set of ports you need vs how much money you could end up spending for an adaptor, hub, or docking station.

I am not affiliated with HP in any way, but I urge you to take a look at some of those models. They are really quite good. Also, while I am happy to spout out all kinds of stuff here about tech, you can check out Wirecutter, a consumer affairs website related to the NYTimes and secondarily, PC Mag, where you want to be more critical.

-----Original Message-----
From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Tim Elder via BlindLaw
Sent: Thursday, July 1, 2021 1:54 PM
To: 'Teresita Rios' <teresitarios22 at gmail.com>; 'Blind Law Mailing List' <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Cc: tim at timeldermusic.com
Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Screen-readers and Dell Machines

[EXTERNAL]

I'm thrilled to see this thread.  I recently bought a new Dell Precision laptop to replace my old XPS and have been having all kinds of problems with it.  I will gladly help with a letter while I start shopping around for Microsoft Surface machines.


-----Original Message-----
From: Teresita Rios <teresitarios22 at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2021 7:25 AM
To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Screen-readers and Dell Machines

Lauren I like your idea of writing a letter. Perhaps all of us who are having serious issues with Dell computers can write a draft, then we can approach NFB and ask any other affected individuals to join. I think NFB would be more inclined to send the letter if we help.
I am usually busy during the week, but I am pretty free on the weekends.
Having a job is easier than school. lol.
To start, if anyone is interested email me directly so we do not bombard the mailing list with suggestions and edits.

Thanks
Teresita Rios


On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 9:31 AM Lauren Bishop via BlindLaw < blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I have been following this thread for a while. I also have a Dell 
> machine, and I have definitely had apps crash while I am using them and I have also
> seen an out of memory error box pop up   Now that I know others are
> experiencing this problem, I have done a little digging. I read on a 
> form for NVDA users that this memory leak is caused by dels real tech 
> audio drivers. Essentially, Dell  has tweaked the drivers in such a 
> way that it causes a memory leak when NVDA or jaws are running. Given 
> that Dell is a popular brand of computers, it might be wise for the 
> NFB to reach out to Dell  regarding this issue.
> Lauren
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 29, 2021, at 5:00 PM, Sanho Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw <
> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Luis and others,
> >
> > Just changing the subject line so the powers that be don't need to 
> > grumble at us.
> >
> > No, anti-virus programs don't make a difference, and both of my 
> > laptops have plenty of space when the problem happens. I actually 
> > did a clean install of Windows from a USB this weekend and the 
> > problem disappeared... right up to the point Windows Update reloaded 
> > the various security patches and driver updates it onboards automatically.
> >
> > Rob mentioned loading on Windows 10 LTSC, the stripped-down 
> > operating system without bloatware, etc. Unfortunately, Windows 
> > Enterprise will only sell LTSC licenses to authorized businesses and 
> > only in packages of 5 product keys. The upshot is that private 
> > individuals aren't usually granted licenses, and when they are, they're about $400.
> >
> > At this point I'm considering buying something from a different 
> > manufacturer. I'm just afraid of spending many hundreds of dollars 
> > just to have the same problem present itself on another machine.
> >
> > Sanho
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > BlindLaw mailing list
> > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info 
> > for
> BlindLaw:
> >
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/laurenbishop96%4
> 0icloud.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> BlindLaw mailing list
> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> BlindLaw:
>
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/teresitarios22%4
> 0gmail.com
>



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From sanho817 at gmail.com  Thu Jul  1 18:46:35 2021
From: sanho817 at gmail.com (Sanho Steele-Louchart)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2021 13:46:35 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Screen-readers and Dell Machines
In-Reply-To: <86ca60030fca4bd6b4de793a48dbe57c@CBIvEX11EUS.cov.com>
References: <CAL6jpeys=yMs_h+x7e+tzmKjAsEXtBLQPjH+Sknb=sAdkHTmjw@mail.gmail.com>
 <E97A4B37-0F5F-43AA-B013-180E767D4C9F@icloud.com>
 <CAKM5H_2Y8gjWnE5Mg6+eGCUTzKN_Jki5ifTevswxvTrNXp6mbQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <008601d76ea2$1f8e5d60$5eab1820$@timeldermusic.com>
 <86ca60030fca4bd6b4de793a48dbe57c@CBIvEX11EUS.cov.com>
Message-ID: <CAL6jpeyCM3FMpNdtwqk-JhV07Q7yYN6PhuX=SEAjdDXCa9cASA@mail.gmail.com>

All,

I'm personally moving over to an HP machine, though I've heard a ton
of great things about Lenovo. I second Nikki's observations about the
Surface line.

I'm also grateful for everyone's input here. I've been in nearly
constant contact with Visparo/Freedom Scientific, Dell, and Microsoft.
Everyone pointed the finger at everyone else. They also told me I was
the only one reporting the problem. Turns out it's exactly what I
thought it was to begin with. Wow, if only I'd known that a year ago.

Warmth,
Sanho

On 7/1/21, Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I want to interject and say that Microsoft Surface units have a number of
> issues. Granted, the family member from where I got this information has an
> older Surface Book, but I hope this is useful: (1) the unit does not work
> well as either or a tablet, one of the main features that it advertises, (2)
> it is fairly heavy for what it is, (3) the audio output is not the greatest,
> (4) the audio headphone jack tends to fail in a relatively short amount of
> time but warranty does not cover it, (5) limited ports, which is becoming
> more standard as laptop profiles get thinner, so (6) please pay attention to
> specs when evaluating which set of ports you need vs how much money you
> could end up spending for an adaptor, hub, or docking station.
>
> I am not affiliated with HP in any way, but I urge you to take a look at
> some of those models. They are really quite good. Also, while I am happy to
> spout out all kinds of stuff here about tech, you can check out Wirecutter,
> a consumer affairs website related to the NYTimes and secondarily, PC Mag,
> where you want to be more critical.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Tim Elder via
> BlindLaw
> Sent: Thursday, July 1, 2021 1:54 PM
> To: 'Teresita Rios' <teresitarios22 at gmail.com>; 'Blind Law Mailing List'
> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: tim at timeldermusic.com
> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Screen-readers and Dell Machines
>
> [EXTERNAL]
>
> I'm thrilled to see this thread.  I recently bought a new Dell Precision
> laptop to replace my old XPS and have been having all kinds of problems with
> it.  I will gladly help with a letter while I start shopping around for
> Microsoft Surface machines.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Teresita Rios <teresitarios22 at gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2021 7:25 AM
> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Screen-readers and Dell Machines
>
> Lauren I like your idea of writing a letter. Perhaps all of us who are
> having serious issues with Dell computers can write a draft, then we can
> approach NFB and ask any other affected individuals to join. I think NFB
> would be more inclined to send the letter if we help.
> I am usually busy during the week, but I am pretty free on the weekends.
> Having a job is easier than school. lol.
> To start, if anyone is interested email me directly so we do not bombard the
> mailing list with suggestions and edits.
>
> Thanks
> Teresita Rios
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 9:31 AM Lauren Bishop via BlindLaw <
> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I have been following this thread for a while. I also have a Dell
>> machine, and I have definitely had apps crash while I am using them and I
>> have also
>> seen an out of memory error box pop up   Now that I know others are
>> experiencing this problem, I have done a little digging. I read on a
>> form for NVDA users that this memory leak is caused by dels real tech
>> audio drivers. Essentially, Dell  has tweaked the drivers in such a
>> way that it causes a memory leak when NVDA or jaws are running. Given
>> that Dell is a popular brand of computers, it might be wise for the
>> NFB to reach out to Dell  regarding this issue.
>> Lauren
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Jun 29, 2021, at 5:00 PM, Sanho Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw <
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Luis and others,
>> >
>> > Just changing the subject line so the powers that be don't need to
>> > grumble at us.
>> >
>> > No, anti-virus programs don't make a difference, and both of my
>> > laptops have plenty of space when the problem happens. I actually
>> > did a clean install of Windows from a USB this weekend and the
>> > problem disappeared... right up to the point Windows Update reloaded
>> > the various security patches and driver updates it onboards
>> > automatically.
>> >
>> > Rob mentioned loading on Windows 10 LTSC, the stripped-down
>> > operating system without bloatware, etc. Unfortunately, Windows
>> > Enterprise will only sell LTSC licenses to authorized businesses and
>> > only in packages of 5 product keys. The upshot is that private
>> > individuals aren't usually granted licenses, and when they are, they're
>> > about $400.
>> >
>> > At this point I'm considering buying something from a different
>> > manufacturer. I'm just afraid of spending many hundreds of dollars
>> > just to have the same problem present itself on another machine.
>> >
>> > Sanho
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
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From tmeloy83 at icloud.com  Thu Jul  1 19:06:19 2021
From: tmeloy83 at icloud.com (tmeloy83 at icloud.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2021 15:06:19 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] Screen-readers and Dell Machines
In-Reply-To: <CAL6jpeyCM3FMpNdtwqk-JhV07Q7yYN6PhuX=SEAjdDXCa9cASA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAL6jpeys=yMs_h+x7e+tzmKjAsEXtBLQPjH+Sknb=sAdkHTmjw@mail.gmail.com>
 <E97A4B37-0F5F-43AA-B013-180E767D4C9F@icloud.com>
 <CAKM5H_2Y8gjWnE5Mg6+eGCUTzKN_Jki5ifTevswxvTrNXp6mbQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <008601d76ea2$1f8e5d60$5eab1820$@timeldermusic.com>
 <86ca60030fca4bd6b4de793a48dbe57c@CBIvEX11EUS.cov.com>
 <CAL6jpeyCM3FMpNdtwqk-JhV07Q7yYN6PhuX=SEAjdDXCa9cASA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <015f01d76eac$2d8ec300$88ac4900$@icloud.com>

I purchased a Lenovo a couple months ago and absolutely love it!  Good audio quality, great specs for the price and tremendous battery life!

I tried two surface pro 7's and a Surface Pro laptop.  I loved the small form factor, but the battery life wasn't quite what I needed.  Couldn't quite make it through an entire work day with those.  Hope some on this list find this helpful.
T.J.


-----Original Message-----
From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Sanho Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw
Sent: Thursday, July 1, 2021 2:47 PM
To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Sanho Steele-Louchart <sanho817 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Screen-readers and Dell Machines

All,

I'm personally moving over to an HP machine, though I've heard a ton of great things about Lenovo. I second Nikki's observations about the Surface line.

I'm also grateful for everyone's input here. I've been in nearly constant contact with Visparo/Freedom Scientific, Dell, and Microsoft.
Everyone pointed the finger at everyone else. They also told me I was the only one reporting the problem. Turns out it's exactly what I thought it was to begin with. Wow, if only I'd known that a year ago.

Warmth,
Sanho

On 7/1/21, Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I want to interject and say that Microsoft Surface units have a number 
> of issues. Granted, the family member from where I got this 
> information has an older Surface Book, but I hope this is useful: (1) 
> the unit does not work well as either or a tablet, one of the main 
> features that it advertises, (2) it is fairly heavy for what it is, 
> (3) the audio output is not the greatest,
> (4) the audio headphone jack tends to fail in a relatively short 
> amount of time but warranty does not cover it, (5) limited ports, 
> which is becoming more standard as laptop profiles get thinner, so (6) 
> please pay attention to specs when evaluating which set of ports you 
> need vs how much money you could end up spending for an adaptor, hub, or docking station.
>
> I am not affiliated with HP in any way, but I urge you to take a look 
> at some of those models. They are really quite good. Also, while I am 
> happy to spout out all kinds of stuff here about tech, you can check 
> out Wirecutter, a consumer affairs website related to the NYTimes and 
> secondarily, PC Mag, where you want to be more critical.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Tim Elder 
> via BlindLaw
> Sent: Thursday, July 1, 2021 1:54 PM
> To: 'Teresita Rios' <teresitarios22 at gmail.com>; 'Blind Law Mailing List'
> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: tim at timeldermusic.com
> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Screen-readers and Dell Machines
>
> [EXTERNAL]
>
> I'm thrilled to see this thread.  I recently bought a new Dell 
> Precision laptop to replace my old XPS and have been having all kinds 
> of problems with it.  I will gladly help with a letter while I start 
> shopping around for Microsoft Surface machines.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Teresita Rios <teresitarios22 at gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2021 7:25 AM
> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Screen-readers and Dell Machines
>
> Lauren I like your idea of writing a letter. Perhaps all of us who are 
> having serious issues with Dell computers can write a draft, then we 
> can approach NFB and ask any other affected individuals to join. I 
> think NFB would be more inclined to send the letter if we help.
> I am usually busy during the week, but I am pretty free on the weekends.
> Having a job is easier than school. lol.
> To start, if anyone is interested email me directly so we do not 
> bombard the mailing list with suggestions and edits.
>
> Thanks
> Teresita Rios
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 9:31 AM Lauren Bishop via BlindLaw < 
> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I have been following this thread for a while. I also have a Dell 
>> machine, and I have definitely had apps crash while I am using them 
>> and I have also
>> seen an out of memory error box pop up   Now that I know others are
>> experiencing this problem, I have done a little digging. I read on a 
>> form for NVDA users that this memory leak is caused by dels real tech 
>> audio drivers. Essentially, Dell  has tweaked the drivers in such a 
>> way that it causes a memory leak when NVDA or jaws are running. Given 
>> that Dell is a popular brand of computers, it might be wise for the 
>> NFB to reach out to Dell  regarding this issue.
>> Lauren
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Jun 29, 2021, at 5:00 PM, Sanho Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw <
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Luis and others,
>> >
>> > Just changing the subject line so the powers that be don't need to 
>> > grumble at us.
>> >
>> > No, anti-virus programs don't make a difference, and both of my 
>> > laptops have plenty of space when the problem happens. I actually 
>> > did a clean install of Windows from a USB this weekend and the 
>> > problem disappeared... right up to the point Windows Update 
>> > reloaded the various security patches and driver updates it 
>> > onboards automatically.
>> >
>> > Rob mentioned loading on Windows 10 LTSC, the stripped-down 
>> > operating system without bloatware, etc. Unfortunately, Windows 
>> > Enterprise will only sell LTSC licenses to authorized businesses 
>> > and only in packages of 5 product keys. The upshot is that private 
>> > individuals aren't usually granted licenses, and when they are, 
>> > they're about $400.
>> >
>> > At this point I'm considering buying something from a different 
>> > manufacturer. I'm just afraid of spending many hundreds of dollars 
>> > just to have the same problem present itself on another machine.
>> >
>> > Sanho
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > BlindLaw mailing list
>> > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info 
>> > for
>> BlindLaw:
>> >
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>> 4
>> 0icloud.com
>>
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From agtolentino at gmail.com  Thu Jul  1 19:16:53 2021
From: agtolentino at gmail.com (Aser Tolentino)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2021 12:16:53 -0700
Subject: [blindLaw] Screen-readers and Dell Machines
In-Reply-To: <015f01d76eac$2d8ec300$88ac4900$@icloud.com>
References: <015f01d76eac$2d8ec300$88ac4900$@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <A01C30ED-53C6-45A0-AD69-B0431519DC70@gmail.com>

Hi Tim,
Which Lenovo did you get? I’m trying to get my office to go for an X1 Nano.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 1, 2021, at 12:07 PM, Timothy Meloy via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I purchased a Lenovo a couple months ago and absolutely love it!  Good audio quality, great specs for the price and tremendous battery life!
> 
> I tried two surface pro 7's and a Surface Pro laptop.  I loved the small form factor, but the battery life wasn't quite what I needed.  Couldn't quite make it through an entire work day with those.  Hope some on this list find this helpful.
> T.J.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Sanho Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw
> Sent: Thursday, July 1, 2021 2:47 PM
> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Sanho Steele-Louchart <sanho817 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Screen-readers and Dell Machines
> 
> All,
> 
> I'm personally moving over to an HP machine, though I've heard a ton of great things about Lenovo. I second Nikki's observations about the Surface line.
> 
> I'm also grateful for everyone's input here. I've been in nearly constant contact with Visparo/Freedom Scientific, Dell, and Microsoft.
> Everyone pointed the finger at everyone else. They also told me I was the only one reporting the problem. Turns out it's exactly what I thought it was to begin with. Wow, if only I'd known that a year ago.
> 
> Warmth,
> Sanho
> 
>> On 7/1/21, Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I want to interject and say that Microsoft Surface units have a number 
>> of issues. Granted, the family member from where I got this 
>> information has an older Surface Book, but I hope this is useful: (1) 
>> the unit does not work well as either or a tablet, one of the main 
>> features that it advertises, (2) it is fairly heavy for what it is, 
>> (3) the audio output is not the greatest,
>> (4) the audio headphone jack tends to fail in a relatively short 
>> amount of time but warranty does not cover it, (5) limited ports, 
>> which is becoming more standard as laptop profiles get thinner, so (6) 
>> please pay attention to specs when evaluating which set of ports you 
>> need vs how much money you could end up spending for an adaptor, hub, or docking station.
>> 
>> I am not affiliated with HP in any way, but I urge you to take a look 
>> at some of those models. They are really quite good. Also, while I am 
>> happy to spout out all kinds of stuff here about tech, you can check 
>> out Wirecutter, a consumer affairs website related to the NYTimes and 
>> secondarily, PC Mag, where you want to be more critical.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Tim Elder 
>> via BlindLaw
>> Sent: Thursday, July 1, 2021 1:54 PM
>> To: 'Teresita Rios' <teresitarios22 at gmail.com>; 'Blind Law Mailing List'
>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: tim at timeldermusic.com
>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Screen-readers and Dell Machines
>> 
>> [EXTERNAL]
>> 
>> I'm thrilled to see this thread.  I recently bought a new Dell 
>> Precision laptop to replace my old XPS and have been having all kinds 
>> of problems with it.  I will gladly help with a letter while I start 
>> shopping around for Microsoft Surface machines.
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Teresita Rios <teresitarios22 at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2021 7:25 AM
>> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Screen-readers and Dell Machines
>> 
>> Lauren I like your idea of writing a letter. Perhaps all of us who are 
>> having serious issues with Dell computers can write a draft, then we 
>> can approach NFB and ask any other affected individuals to join. I 
>> think NFB would be more inclined to send the letter if we help.
>> I am usually busy during the week, but I am pretty free on the weekends.
>> Having a job is easier than school. lol.
>> To start, if anyone is interested email me directly so we do not 
>> bombard the mailing list with suggestions and edits.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Teresita Rios
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 9:31 AM Lauren Bishop via BlindLaw < 
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> 
>>> I have been following this thread for a while. I also have a Dell 
>>> machine, and I have definitely had apps crash while I am using them 
>>> and I have also
>>> seen an out of memory error box pop up   Now that I know others are
>>> experiencing this problem, I have done a little digging. I read on a 
>>> form for NVDA users that this memory leak is caused by dels real tech 
>>> audio drivers. Essentially, Dell  has tweaked the drivers in such a 
>>> way that it causes a memory leak when NVDA or jaws are running. Given 
>>> that Dell is a popular brand of computers, it might be wise for the 
>>> NFB to reach out to Dell  regarding this issue.
>>> Lauren
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 29, 2021, at 5:00 PM, Sanho Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw <
>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Luis and others,
>>>> 
>>>> Just changing the subject line so the powers that be don't need to 
>>>> grumble at us.
>>>> 
>>>> No, anti-virus programs don't make a difference, and both of my 
>>>> laptops have plenty of space when the problem happens. I actually 
>>>> did a clean install of Windows from a USB this weekend and the 
>>>> problem disappeared... right up to the point Windows Update 
>>>> reloaded the various security patches and driver updates it 
>>>> onboards automatically.
>>>> 
>>>> Rob mentioned loading on Windows 10 LTSC, the stripped-down 
>>>> operating system without bloatware, etc. Unfortunately, Windows 
>>>> Enterprise will only sell LTSC licenses to authorized businesses 
>>>> and only in packages of 5 product keys. The upshot is that private 
>>>> individuals aren't usually granted licenses, and when they are, 
>>>> they're about $400.
>>>> 
>>>> At this point I'm considering buying something from a different 
>>>> manufacturer. I'm just afraid of spending many hundreds of dollars 
>>>> just to have the same problem present itself on another machine.
>>>> 
>>>> Sanho
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> BlindLaw mailing list
>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>>>> for
>>> BlindLaw:
>>>> 
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/laurenbishop96%
>>> 4
>>> 0icloud.com
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>> 4
>>> 0gmail.com
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From tmeloy83 at icloud.com  Thu Jul  1 21:10:50 2021
From: tmeloy83 at icloud.com (Timothy Meloy)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2021 17:10:50 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] Fwd: Check this out at Amazon.com
References: <EF93190A-598D-47C4-BC6F-1DFD583167C3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <60906020-0C40-453B-9485-2AD42BFE368D@icloud.com>

The link in the message below has the specs for the Lenovo machine that I purchased. Let me know if you have further questions.
T.J.



Begin forwarded message:

> From: Allison Meloy <allisonfm at gmail.com>
> Date: July 1, 2021 at 5:09:14 PM EDT
> To: TJ Meloy <tmeloy83 at icloud.com>
> Subject: Check this out at Amazon.com
> 
> 
> Lenovo Flex 5 14" 2-in-1 Laptop,...
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone

From steve.jacobson at outlook.com  Thu Jul  1 21:56:04 2021
From: steve.jacobson at outlook.com (Steve Jacobson)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2021 21:56:04 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Screen-readers and Dell Machines
In-Reply-To: <015f01d76eac$2d8ec300$88ac4900$@icloud.com>
References: <CAL6jpeys=yMs_h+x7e+tzmKjAsEXtBLQPjH+Sknb=sAdkHTmjw@mail.gmail.com>
 <E97A4B37-0F5F-43AA-B013-180E767D4C9F@icloud.com>
 <CAKM5H_2Y8gjWnE5Mg6+eGCUTzKN_Jki5ifTevswxvTrNXp6mbQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <008601d76ea2$1f8e5d60$5eab1820$@timeldermusic.com>
 <86ca60030fca4bd6b4de793a48dbe57c@CBIvEX11EUS.cov.com>
 <CAL6jpeyCM3FMpNdtwqk-JhV07Q7yYN6PhuX=SEAjdDXCa9cASA@mail.gmail.com>
 <015f01d76eac$2d8ec300$88ac4900$@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <DM6PR05MB400986B2228028881C6F553D94009@DM6PR05MB4009.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Hi,

Well, here is another slant on this.  I have a Dell Inspiron laptop and I have had no trouble with it.  I have regularly updated all drivers, though, using Dell's support tool which is not easy to use.  This is a good idea even on new machines because you don't know how long it sat in a box after being configured.  However, I have had different issues with the Real Tech drivers on machines with several different brands.  The information that Dell may have tweaked their drivers causing the memory errors may be correct, but I've had trouble with audio stopping altogether on an HP when I plugged in a pair of headphones, and on another computer I have to confirm that I am plugging in headphones every single time I plug them in.  Also, the Real Tech driver interface is in some cases barely accessible if at all, although the interface seems to have different interfaces on different machines.  I am just not certain that the bigger problem is not with Real Tech rather than with Dell, although Dell has some influence as a large volume customer of Real Tech.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-----Original Message-----
From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Timothy Meloy via BlindLaw
Sent: Thursday, July 1, 2021 2:06 PM
To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Cc: tmeloy83 at icloud.com
Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Screen-readers and Dell Machines

I purchased a Lenovo a couple months ago and absolutely love it!  Good audio quality, great specs for the price and tremendous battery life!

I tried two surface pro 7's and a Surface Pro laptop.  I loved the small form factor, but the battery life wasn't quite what I needed.  Couldn't quite make it through an entire work day with those.  Hope some on this list find this helpful.
T.J.


-----Original Message-----
From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Sanho Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw
Sent: Thursday, July 1, 2021 2:47 PM
To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Sanho Steele-Louchart <sanho817 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Screen-readers and Dell Machines

All,

I'm personally moving over to an HP machine, though I've heard a ton of great things about Lenovo. I second Nikki's observations about the Surface line.

I'm also grateful for everyone's input here. I've been in nearly constant contact with Visparo/Freedom Scientific, Dell, and Microsoft.
Everyone pointed the finger at everyone else. They also told me I was the only one reporting the problem. Turns out it's exactly what I thought it was to begin with. Wow, if only I'd known that a year ago.

Warmth,
Sanho

On 7/1/21, Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I want to interject and say that Microsoft Surface units have a number 
> of issues. Granted, the family member from where I got this 
> information has an older Surface Book, but I hope this is useful: (1) 
> the unit does not work well as either or a tablet, one of the main 
> features that it advertises, (2) it is fairly heavy for what it is, 
> (3) the audio output is not the greatest,
> (4) the audio headphone jack tends to fail in a relatively short 
> amount of time but warranty does not cover it, (5) limited ports, 
> which is becoming more standard as laptop profiles get thinner, so (6) 
> please pay attention to specs when evaluating which set of ports you 
> need vs how much money you could end up spending for an adaptor, hub, or docking station.
>
> I am not affiliated with HP in any way, but I urge you to take a look 
> at some of those models. They are really quite good. Also, while I am 
> happy to spout out all kinds of stuff here about tech, you can check 
> out Wirecutter, a consumer affairs website related to the NYTimes and 
> secondarily, PC Mag, where you want to be more critical.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Tim Elder 
> via BlindLaw
> Sent: Thursday, July 1, 2021 1:54 PM
> To: 'Teresita Rios' <teresitarios22 at gmail.com>; 'Blind Law Mailing List'
> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: tim at timeldermusic.com
> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Screen-readers and Dell Machines
>
> [EXTERNAL]
>
> I'm thrilled to see this thread.  I recently bought a new Dell 
> Precision laptop to replace my old XPS and have been having all kinds 
> of problems with it.  I will gladly help with a letter while I start 
> shopping around for Microsoft Surface machines.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Teresita Rios <teresitarios22 at gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2021 7:25 AM
> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Screen-readers and Dell Machines
>
> Lauren I like your idea of writing a letter. Perhaps all of us who are 
> having serious issues with Dell computers can write a draft, then we 
> can approach NFB and ask any other affected individuals to join. I 
> think NFB would be more inclined to send the letter if we help.
> I am usually busy during the week, but I am pretty free on the weekends.
> Having a job is easier than school. lol.
> To start, if anyone is interested email me directly so we do not 
> bombard the mailing list with suggestions and edits.
>
> Thanks
> Teresita Rios
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 9:31 AM Lauren Bishop via BlindLaw < 
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>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I have been following this thread for a while. I also have a Dell 
>> machine, and I have definitely had apps crash while I am using them 
>> and I have also
>> seen an out of memory error box pop up   Now that I know others are
>> experiencing this problem, I have done a little digging. I read on a 
>> form for NVDA users that this memory leak is caused by dels real tech 
>> audio drivers. Essentially, Dell  has tweaked the drivers in such a 
>> way that it causes a memory leak when NVDA or jaws are running. Given 
>> that Dell is a popular brand of computers, it might be wise for the 
>> NFB to reach out to Dell  regarding this issue.
>> Lauren
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Jun 29, 2021, at 5:00 PM, Sanho Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw <
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>> > Luis and others,
>> >
>> > Just changing the subject line so the powers that be don't need to 
>> > grumble at us.
>> >
>> > No, anti-virus programs don't make a difference, and both of my 
>> > laptops have plenty of space when the problem happens. I actually 
>> > did a clean install of Windows from a USB this weekend and the 
>> > problem disappeared... right up to the point Windows Update 
>> > reloaded the various security patches and driver updates it 
>> > onboards automatically.
>> >
>> > Rob mentioned loading on Windows 10 LTSC, the stripped-down 
>> > operating system without bloatware, etc. Unfortunately, Windows 
>> > Enterprise will only sell LTSC licenses to authorized businesses 
>> > and only in packages of 5 product keys. The upshot is that private 
>> > individuals aren't usually granted licenses, and when they are, 
>> > they're about $400.
>> >
>> > At this point I'm considering buying something from a different 
>> > manufacturer. I'm just afraid of spending many hundreds of dollars 
>> > just to have the same problem present itself on another machine.
>> >
>> > Sanho
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From sanho817 at gmail.com  Thu Jul  1 22:32:47 2021
From: sanho817 at gmail.com (Sanho Steele-Louchart)
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2021 17:32:47 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Screen-readers and Dell Machines
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Steve,

Dell Support Assist and Windows Update are both causing the drivers to
break. I tested that by running a clean install on two different
machines, then updated one with Support Assist and one with Windows
Update. Both immediately brought the problem back.

If the Dell you reference is a business class machine, business class
machines seem not to be having the problems that more entry level
models do. This could be due in part to companies opting for LTSC
rather than the standard consumer model of Windows 10.

RealTek has a number of problems, yes. Including the MaxAudio Pro
screen asking what you plugged in every single time. This particular
memory bleed seems to be on Dell home and home office machines running
a screen-reader and the most up to date drivers on Windows 10.

Warmth,
Sanho

On 7/1/21, Steve Jacobson via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Well, here is another slant on this.  I have a Dell Inspiron laptop and I
> have had no trouble with it.  I have regularly updated all drivers, though,
> using Dell's support tool which is not easy to use.  This is a good idea
> even on new machines because you don't know how long it sat in a box after
> being configured.  However, I have had different issues with the Real Tech
> drivers on machines with several different brands.  The information that
> Dell may have tweaked their drivers causing the memory errors may be
> correct, but I've had trouble with audio stopping altogether on an HP when I
> plugged in a pair of headphones, and on another computer I have to confirm
> that I am plugging in headphones every single time I plug them in.  Also,
> the Real Tech driver interface is in some cases barely accessible if at all,
> although the interface seems to have different interfaces on different
> machines.  I am just not certain that the bigger problem is not with Real
> Tech rather than with Dell, although Dell has some influence as a large
> volume customer of Real Tech.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Timothy Meloy via
> BlindLaw
> Sent: Thursday, July 1, 2021 2:06 PM
> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: tmeloy83 at icloud.com
> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Screen-readers and Dell Machines
>
> I purchased a Lenovo a couple months ago and absolutely love it!  Good audio
> quality, great specs for the price and tremendous battery life!
>
> I tried two surface pro 7's and a Surface Pro laptop.  I loved the small
> form factor, but the battery life wasn't quite what I needed.  Couldn't
> quite make it through an entire work day with those.  Hope some on this list
> find this helpful.
> T.J.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Sanho
> Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw
> Sent: Thursday, July 1, 2021 2:47 PM
> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Sanho Steele-Louchart <sanho817 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Screen-readers and Dell Machines
>
> All,
>
> I'm personally moving over to an HP machine, though I've heard a ton of
> great things about Lenovo. I second Nikki's observations about the Surface
> line.
>
> I'm also grateful for everyone's input here. I've been in nearly constant
> contact with Visparo/Freedom Scientific, Dell, and Microsoft.
> Everyone pointed the finger at everyone else. They also told me I was the
> only one reporting the problem. Turns out it's exactly what I thought it was
> to begin with. Wow, if only I'd known that a year ago.
>
> Warmth,
> Sanho
>
> On 7/1/21, Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I want to interject and say that Microsoft Surface units have a number
>> of issues. Granted, the family member from where I got this
>> information has an older Surface Book, but I hope this is useful: (1)
>> the unit does not work well as either or a tablet, one of the main
>> features that it advertises, (2) it is fairly heavy for what it is,
>> (3) the audio output is not the greatest,
>> (4) the audio headphone jack tends to fail in a relatively short
>> amount of time but warranty does not cover it, (5) limited ports,
>> which is becoming more standard as laptop profiles get thinner, so (6)
>> please pay attention to specs when evaluating which set of ports you
>> need vs how much money you could end up spending for an adaptor, hub, or
>> docking station.
>>
>> I am not affiliated with HP in any way, but I urge you to take a look
>> at some of those models. They are really quite good. Also, while I am
>> happy to spout out all kinds of stuff here about tech, you can check
>> out Wirecutter, a consumer affairs website related to the NYTimes and
>> secondarily, PC Mag, where you want to be more critical.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Tim Elder
>> via BlindLaw
>> Sent: Thursday, July 1, 2021 1:54 PM
>> To: 'Teresita Rios' <teresitarios22 at gmail.com>; 'Blind Law Mailing List'
>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: tim at timeldermusic.com
>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Screen-readers and Dell Machines
>>
>> [EXTERNAL]
>>
>> I'm thrilled to see this thread.  I recently bought a new Dell
>> Precision laptop to replace my old XPS and have been having all kinds
>> of problems with it.  I will gladly help with a letter while I start
>> shopping around for Microsoft Surface machines.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Teresita Rios <teresitarios22 at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2021 7:25 AM
>> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Screen-readers and Dell Machines
>>
>> Lauren I like your idea of writing a letter. Perhaps all of us who are
>> having serious issues with Dell computers can write a draft, then we
>> can approach NFB and ask any other affected individuals to join. I
>> think NFB would be more inclined to send the letter if we help.
>> I am usually busy during the week, but I am pretty free on the weekends.
>> Having a job is easier than school. lol.
>> To start, if anyone is interested email me directly so we do not
>> bombard the mailing list with suggestions and edits.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Teresita Rios
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 9:31 AM Lauren Bishop via BlindLaw <
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I have been following this thread for a while. I also have a Dell
>>> machine, and I have definitely had apps crash while I am using them
>>> and I have also
>>> seen an out of memory error box pop up   Now that I know others are
>>> experiencing this problem, I have done a little digging. I read on a
>>> form for NVDA users that this memory leak is caused by dels real tech
>>> audio drivers. Essentially, Dell  has tweaked the drivers in such a
>>> way that it causes a memory leak when NVDA or jaws are running. Given
>>> that Dell is a popular brand of computers, it might be wise for the
>>> NFB to reach out to Dell  regarding this issue.
>>> Lauren
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> > On Jun 29, 2021, at 5:00 PM, Sanho Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw <
>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Luis and others,
>>> >
>>> > Just changing the subject line so the powers that be don't need to
>>> > grumble at us.
>>> >
>>> > No, anti-virus programs don't make a difference, and both of my
>>> > laptops have plenty of space when the problem happens. I actually
>>> > did a clean install of Windows from a USB this weekend and the
>>> > problem disappeared... right up to the point Windows Update
>>> > reloaded the various security patches and driver updates it
>>> > onboards automatically.
>>> >
>>> > Rob mentioned loading on Windows 10 LTSC, the stripped-down
>>> > operating system without bloatware, etc. Unfortunately, Windows
>>> > Enterprise will only sell LTSC licenses to authorized businesses
>>> > and only in packages of 5 product keys. The upshot is that private
>>> > individuals aren't usually granted licenses, and when they are,
>>> > they're about $400.
>>> >
>>> > At this point I'm considering buying something from a different
>>> > manufacturer. I'm just afraid of spending many hundreds of dollars
>>> > just to have the same problem present itself on another machine.
>>> >
>>> > Sanho
>>> >
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From laurenbishop96 at icloud.com  Fri Jul  2 13:55:16 2021
From: laurenbishop96 at icloud.com (Lauren Bishop)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2021 09:55:16 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] Screen-readers and Dell Machines
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Good morning,
I too am using a Dell Inspiron, and I have not had memory issues as great as some others who have chimed in. However, they still do happen from time to time when I am doing a lot on my computer. There definitely is a memory leak with the Inspiron‘s, as I have opened up my task manager from time to time to see that I am using almost all 16 GB of my memory, and the percentage of my CPU usage seems to fluctuate as well. 
Lauren 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 1, 2021, at 6:34 PM, Sanho Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Steve,
> 
> Dell Support Assist and Windows Update are both causing the drivers to
> break. I tested that by running a clean install on two different
> machines, then updated one with Support Assist and one with Windows
> Update. Both immediately brought the problem back.
> 
> If the Dell you reference is a business class machine, business class
> machines seem not to be having the problems that more entry level
> models do. This could be due in part to companies opting for LTSC
> rather than the standard consumer model of Windows 10.
> 
> RealTek has a number of problems, yes. Including the MaxAudio Pro
> screen asking what you plugged in every single time. This particular
> memory bleed seems to be on Dell home and home office machines running
> a screen-reader and the most up to date drivers on Windows 10.
> 
> Warmth,
> Sanho
> 
>> On 7/1/21, Steve Jacobson via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Well, here is another slant on this.  I have a Dell Inspiron laptop and I
>> have had no trouble with it.  I have regularly updated all drivers, though,
>> using Dell's support tool which is not easy to use.  This is a good idea
>> even on new machines because you don't know how long it sat in a box after
>> being configured.  However, I have had different issues with the Real Tech
>> drivers on machines with several different brands.  The information that
>> Dell may have tweaked their drivers causing the memory errors may be
>> correct, but I've had trouble with audio stopping altogether on an HP when I
>> plugged in a pair of headphones, and on another computer I have to confirm
>> that I am plugging in headphones every single time I plug them in.  Also,
>> the Real Tech driver interface is in some cases barely accessible if at all,
>> although the interface seems to have different interfaces on different
>> machines.  I am just not certain that the bigger problem is not with Real
>> Tech rather than with Dell, although Dell has some influence as a large
>> volume customer of Real Tech.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Steve Jacobson
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Timothy Meloy via
>> BlindLaw
>> Sent: Thursday, July 1, 2021 2:06 PM
>> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: tmeloy83 at icloud.com
>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Screen-readers and Dell Machines
>> 
>> I purchased a Lenovo a couple months ago and absolutely love it!  Good audio
>> quality, great specs for the price and tremendous battery life!
>> 
>> I tried two surface pro 7's and a Surface Pro laptop.  I loved the small
>> form factor, but the battery life wasn't quite what I needed.  Couldn't
>> quite make it through an entire work day with those.  Hope some on this list
>> find this helpful.
>> T.J.
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Sanho
>> Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw
>> Sent: Thursday, July 1, 2021 2:47 PM
>> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Sanho Steele-Louchart <sanho817 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Screen-readers and Dell Machines
>> 
>> All,
>> 
>> I'm personally moving over to an HP machine, though I've heard a ton of
>> great things about Lenovo. I second Nikki's observations about the Surface
>> line.
>> 
>> I'm also grateful for everyone's input here. I've been in nearly constant
>> contact with Visparo/Freedom Scientific, Dell, and Microsoft.
>> Everyone pointed the finger at everyone else. They also told me I was the
>> only one reporting the problem. Turns out it's exactly what I thought it was
>> to begin with. Wow, if only I'd known that a year ago.
>> 
>> Warmth,
>> Sanho
>> 
>>> On 7/1/21, Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> I want to interject and say that Microsoft Surface units have a number
>>> of issues. Granted, the family member from where I got this
>>> information has an older Surface Book, but I hope this is useful: (1)
>>> the unit does not work well as either or a tablet, one of the main
>>> features that it advertises, (2) it is fairly heavy for what it is,
>>> (3) the audio output is not the greatest,
>>> (4) the audio headphone jack tends to fail in a relatively short
>>> amount of time but warranty does not cover it, (5) limited ports,
>>> which is becoming more standard as laptop profiles get thinner, so (6)
>>> please pay attention to specs when evaluating which set of ports you
>>> need vs how much money you could end up spending for an adaptor, hub, or
>>> docking station.
>>> 
>>> I am not affiliated with HP in any way, but I urge you to take a look
>>> at some of those models. They are really quite good. Also, while I am
>>> happy to spout out all kinds of stuff here about tech, you can check
>>> out Wirecutter, a consumer affairs website related to the NYTimes and
>>> secondarily, PC Mag, where you want to be more critical.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Tim Elder
>>> via BlindLaw
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 1, 2021 1:54 PM
>>> To: 'Teresita Rios' <teresitarios22 at gmail.com>; 'Blind Law Mailing List'
>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: tim at timeldermusic.com
>>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Screen-readers and Dell Machines
>>> 
>>> [EXTERNAL]
>>> 
>>> I'm thrilled to see this thread.  I recently bought a new Dell
>>> Precision laptop to replace my old XPS and have been having all kinds
>>> of problems with it.  I will gladly help with a letter while I start
>>> shopping around for Microsoft Surface machines.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Teresita Rios <teresitarios22 at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2021 7:25 AM
>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Screen-readers and Dell Machines
>>> 
>>> Lauren I like your idea of writing a letter. Perhaps all of us who are
>>> having serious issues with Dell computers can write a draft, then we
>>> can approach NFB and ask any other affected individuals to join. I
>>> think NFB would be more inclined to send the letter if we help.
>>> I am usually busy during the week, but I am pretty free on the weekends.
>>> Having a job is easier than school. lol.
>>> To start, if anyone is interested email me directly so we do not
>>> bombard the mailing list with suggestions and edits.
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> Teresita Rios
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 9:31 AM Lauren Bishop via BlindLaw <
>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hello all,
>>>> 
>>>> I have been following this thread for a while. I also have a Dell
>>>> machine, and I have definitely had apps crash while I am using them
>>>> and I have also
>>>> seen an out of memory error box pop up   Now that I know others are
>>>> experiencing this problem, I have done a little digging. I read on a
>>>> form for NVDA users that this memory leak is caused by dels real tech
>>>> audio drivers. Essentially, Dell  has tweaked the drivers in such a
>>>> way that it causes a memory leak when NVDA or jaws are running. Given
>>>> that Dell is a popular brand of computers, it might be wise for the
>>>> NFB to reach out to Dell  regarding this issue.
>>>> Lauren
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 29, 2021, at 5:00 PM, Sanho Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw <
>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Luis and others,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Just changing the subject line so the powers that be don't need to
>>>>> grumble at us.
>>>>> 
>>>>> No, anti-virus programs don't make a difference, and both of my
>>>>> laptops have plenty of space when the problem happens. I actually
>>>>> did a clean install of Windows from a USB this weekend and the
>>>>> problem disappeared... right up to the point Windows Update
>>>>> reloaded the various security patches and driver updates it
>>>>> onboards automatically.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Rob mentioned loading on Windows 10 LTSC, the stripped-down
>>>>> operating system without bloatware, etc. Unfortunately, Windows
>>>>> Enterprise will only sell LTSC licenses to authorized businesses
>>>>> and only in packages of 5 product keys. The upshot is that private
>>>>> individuals aren't usually granted licenses, and when they are,
>>>>> they're about $400.
>>>>> 
>>>>> At this point I'm considering buying something from a different
>>>>> manufacturer. I'm just afraid of spending many hundreds of dollars
>>>>> just to have the same problem present itself on another machine.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sanho
>>>>> 
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From rene0373 at gmail.com  Tue Jul  6 14:56:31 2021
From: rene0373 at gmail.com (Elizabeth Rene)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2021 07:56:31 -0700
Subject: [blindLaw] Accepting zoom meetings in outlook using JAWS
Message-ID: <359AE18B-77F2-48EE-AB6E-F99B8BE004BD@gmail.com>

Hi folks,
I’ve just begun a new job as a hearings judge for Washington’s Board of Industrial Insurance Appeals, where i’ll be using JAWS for the first time in about eight years. I am an iOS die hard.
Somehow, JAWS won’t let me accept zoom meetings through my Outlook calendar.
How does one do it?
Thanks.
Elizabeth 


Elizabeth M René 
Attorney at Law 
WSBA #10710 
KCBA #21824
rene0373 at gmail.com 

From NSingh at cov.com  Tue Jul  6 15:00:51 2021
From: NSingh at cov.com (Singh, Nandini)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2021 15:00:51 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Accepting zoom meetings in outlook using JAWS
In-Reply-To: <359AE18B-77F2-48EE-AB6E-F99B8BE004BD@gmail.com>
References: <359AE18B-77F2-48EE-AB6E-F99B8BE004BD@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2139540591cc4211ab4f9f22274636e7@CBIvEX11EUS.cov.com>

There are multiple ways to do this. With the invite open, the Message Menu gives you various response options: accept, decline, tentative, etc. In calendar view, you can also navigate to the item, bring up the applications menu with shift-F10/applications key and respond that way.

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[EXTERNAL]

Hi folks,
I’ve just begun a new job as a hearings judge for Washington’s Board of Industrial Insurance Appeals, where i’ll be using JAWS for the first time in about eight years. I am an iOS die hard.
Somehow, JAWS won’t let me accept zoom meetings through my Outlook calendar.
How does one do it?
Thanks.
Elizabeth


Elizabeth M René
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KCBA #21824
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From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Tue Jul  6 21:26:11 2021
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (slabarre at labarrelaw.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2021 15:26:11 -0600
Subject: [blindLaw] NABL Annual Meeting Thursday, 1:00 PM Eastern
Message-ID: <013101d772ad$8b691f70$a23b5e50$@labarrelaw.com>

Hey folks, I hope everyone is enjoying Day 1 of the NFB Convention.  We, the
NABL,  will be meeting on Thursday, July 8th, at 1:00 PM.  You can now find
our 2021 agenda  on our website.  You can also use the website to pay your
dues, $25 for attorneys and $5 for non-attorneys including law students.
The site seems to work well for either one of those choices but not for
continuing shopping and selecting an additional donation.  We'll try to get
that fixed.  By paying your dues, you are officially registering for the
meeting.  Our website is:

 

www.blindlawyers.net <http://www.blindlawyers.net> 

 

With respect to CLE materials, we are not charging a premium for them this
year.  However, we will be offering a link to a Dropbox where you can get
the materials we have collected.  Stay tuned for that link.  Although we
will offer a certificate indicating how many minutes of CLE were offered,
you will need to work with your own state bars to get the credits approved.

 

Alright, stay tuned for more announcements.  Have a great Convention!

 

All best,

Scott

 

303 520-3584, Mobile


From rene0373 at gmail.com  Wed Jul  7 14:36:29 2021
From: rene0373 at gmail.com (Elizabeth Rene)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2021 07:36:29 -0700
Subject: [blindLaw] Accepting zoom meetings in outlook using jaws
Message-ID: <EB75A944-7149-46E4-A011-ECDFC64EA37F@gmail.com>

Thank you, Singh

Elizabeth M René 
Attorney at Law 
WSBA #10710 
KCBA #21824
rene0373 at gmail.com 

From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Thu Jul  8 01:24:46 2021
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2021 19:24:46 -0600
Subject: [blindLaw] More Info about Tomorrow's NABL Meeting
Message-ID: <000a01d77398$0a05bb50$1e1131f0$@labarrelaw.com>

Greetings everyone!!

 

I hope everyone is having a great Convention thus far.  As you know,
tomorrow NABL holds its Annual Meeting as part of the NFB Convention.  It
will take place starting at 1:00 PM Eastern.  The agenda has been somewhat
revised, and I post the latest below.  The direct link to our meeting is:

 

https://zoom.us/j/93586180919

 

 

To register for the meeting, we are asking folks to pay their NABL dues
which are $25 for attorneys and $5 for those of you who are not attorneys.
Please go to our website:

 

www.blindlawyers.net <http://www.blindlawyers.net> 

 

Lastly, we are not charging for CLE materials this year, but we have a
plethora of materials for you.  You can go to the following Dropbox folder
and get it all.

 

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/9v1bgut8jxfdrw6/AAATRJ2upWxFGgeqkmLuHeHha?dl=1 

 

Please let me know if you have any questions, and I hope to see many of you
virtually tomorrow!!

 

Best,

Scott

 

slabarre at labarrelaw.com <mailto:slabarre at labarrelaw.com> 

 

AGENDA

NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND LAWYERS

2021 ANNUAL MEETING

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----

 

Thursday, July 8, 2021

Anywhere and Everywhere

Zoom Meeting ID:  <https://zoom.us/j/93586180919> 935 8618 0919

 

Note:  All times are Eastern Daylight.

 

 

1:00 PM     WELCOME AND MEETING LOGISTICS

                    Scott C. LaBarre, President, NABL, Centennial, CO

 

1:05 PM     THE AMERICAN BAR ASSOCIATION: WHAT THE ORGANIZED BAR IS DOING
FOR YOU 

Patricia Lee Refo, President, American Bar Association, Phoenix, AZ

 

1:30 PM     AN UPDATE ON IMPLEMENTING THE MARRAKESH TREATY: 

A PRESENTATION FROM WIPO 

Michelle Woods, Director, Copyright Law Division, WIPO, Geneva, Switzerland;
Monica Halil, Head, Accessible Books Consortium, WIPO, Geneva Switzerland

 

2:00 PM     NFB LEGAL PROGRAM LIGHTNING ROUNDS: A BRIEF YET THOROUGH
OVERVIEW OF NFB'S LEGAL ADVOCACY

Scott C. LaBarre, General Counsel, NFB, Centennial, CO; Valerie Yingling,
Legal Program Coordinator, NFB, Baltimore, MD; Timothy R. Elder, Founder,
TRE Legal, Freemont, CA; Albert Elia, TRE Legal, Seattle, WA; Eve L. Hill,
Sharon Krevor Weisbaum, Joseph B. Espo, Jessie Weber, Greg Care, Partners,
Brown, Goldstein and Levy, Baltimore, MD

 

3:15 PM     AN UPDATE FROM THE LAW SCHOOL ADMISSIONS COUNCIL

Leanne Shank, Senior Vice President for Legal and Corporate Affairs, General
Counsel, and Corporate Secretary, LSAC, Newtown, PA; Angela Winfield, Chief
Diversity Officer, LSAC, Newtown, PA 

 

3:30 PM     EXPLORING ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE AND THE PRACTICE OF LAW

Timothy R. Elder, Second Vice President, NABL, Freemont, CA; Jake Heller,
CEO, Casetext, Palo Alto, CA    

 

3:50 PM     PRACTICE FORWARD: A REPORT FROM THE AMERICAN BAR ASSOCIATION ON
THE FUTURE OF LAW PRACTICE DURING AND AFTER THE PANDEMIC

Laura Farber, Co-Chair, ABA Practice Forward Coordinating Group, Pasadena,
CA; William R. Bay, Co-Chair, ABA Practice Forward Coordinating Group, St.
Louis, MO

 

4:20 PM     THOMSON REUTERS NEEDS YOUR HELP

Monica Wegner, Senior Accessibility Specialist, Thomson Reuters,
Minneapolis, MN  

 

4:25 PM     NABL VIRTUAL RECEPTION AND SOCIAL HOUR                 

 

Even though we can't be together in person, let's gather virtually and share
some fellowship.  Sorry no bar or hors d'oeuvres will be provided by NABL
this year, but you can bring your own. 

 

5:00 PM     ADJOURN 

 


From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Thu Jul  8 16:07:04 2021
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2021 10:07:04 -0600
Subject: [blindLaw] NABL Meeting Today
Message-ID: <00d501d77413$4b8d6fc0$e2a84f40$@labarrelaw.com>

Hello NABL:

 

We are just about 60 minutes from the time of this writing from our 2021
meeting.  Yay!  I wanted to give you all of the relevant links in one place.


 

First of all, the direct link to our meeting is:

 

https://zoom.us/j/93586180919 

 

Also, if you are interested in accessing all the materials we have for the
meeting, please go to the following link:

 

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/9v1bgut8jxfdrw6/AAATRJ2upWxFGgeqkmLuHeHha?dl=1

 

Please note that we have been updating documents through last evening and
this morning.  So, if you have downloaded documents previously, you may want
to check again.

 

Next, if you need or if you know someone who needs the live captioning link
outside of the Zoom room itself, it is:

 

https://ennis.1capapp.com/event/nfb-e-0695

 

Lastly, if you wish to pay your NABL dues or make a donation to the
organization, please go to NABL's website at:

 

www.blindlawyers.net <http://www.blindlawyers.net> 

 

 

See you in the meeting!!

 

Scott

 

slabarre at labarrelaw.com <mailto:slabarre at labarrelaw.com> 

303 520-3584, Mobile

 

Here's the agenda again:

 

AGENDA

NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND LAWYERS

2021 ANNUAL MEETING

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----

 

Thursday, July 8, 2021

Anywhere and Everywhere

Zoom Meeting ID:  <https://zoom.us/j/93586180919> 935 8618 0919

 

Note:  All times are Eastern Daylight.

 

 

1:00 PM     WELCOME AND MEETING LOGISTICS

                    Scott C. LaBarre, President, NABL, Centennial, CO

 

1:05 PM     THE AMERICAN BAR ASSOCIATION: WHAT THE ORGANIZED BAR IS DOING
FOR YOU 

Patricia Lee Refo, President, American Bar Association, Phoenix, AZ

 

1:30 PM     AN UPDATE ON IMPLEMENTING THE MARRAKESH TREATY: 

A PRESENTATION FROM WIPO 

Michelle Woods, Director, Copyright Law Division, WIPO, Geneva, Switzerland;
Monica Halil, Head, Accessible Books Consortium, WIPO, Geneva Switzerland

 

2:00 PM     NFB LEGAL PROGRAM LIGHTNING ROUNDS: A BRIEF YET THOROUGH
OVERVIEW OF NFB'S LEGAL ADVOCACY

Scott C. LaBarre, General Counsel, NFB, Centennial, CO; Valerie Yingling,
Legal Program Coordinator, NFB, Baltimore, MD; Timothy R. Elder, Founder,
TRE Legal, Freemont, CA; Albert Elia, TRE Legal, Seattle, WA; Eve L. Hill,
Sharon Krevor Weisbaum, Joseph B. Espo, Jessie Weber, Greg Care, Partners,
Brown, Goldstein and Levy, Baltimore, MD

 

3:15 PM     AN UPDATE FROM THE LAW SCHOOL ADMISSIONS COUNCIL

Leanne Shank, Senior Vice President for Legal and Corporate Affairs, General
Counsel, and Corporate Secretary, LSAC, Newtown, PA; Angela Winfield, Chief
Diversity Officer, LSAC, Newtown, PA 

 

3:30 PM     EXPLORING ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE AND THE PRACTICE OF LAW

Timothy R. Elder, Second Vice President, NABL, Freemont, CA; Jake Heller,
CEO, Casetext, Palo Alto, CA    

 

3:50 PM     PRACTICE FORWARD: A REPORT FROM THE AMERICAN BAR ASSOCIATION ON
THE FUTURE OF LAW PRACTICE DURING AND AFTER THE PANDEMIC

Laura Farber, Co-Chair, ABA Practice Forward Coordinating Group, Pasadena,
CA; William R. Bay, Co-Chair, ABA Practice Forward Coordinating Group, St.
Louis, MO

 

4:20 PM     THOMSON REUTERS NEEDS YOUR HELP

Monica Wegner, Senior Accessibility Specialist, Thomson Reuters,
Minneapolis, MN  

 

4:25 PM     NABL VIRTUAL RECEPTION AND SOCIAL HOUR                 

 

Even though we can't be together in person, let's gather virtually and share
some fellowship.  Sorry no bar or hors d'oeuvres will be provided by NABL
this year, but you can bring your own. 

 

5:00 PM     ADJOURN 

 

 


From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Thu Jul  8 15:49:31 2021
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre)
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2021 09:49:31 -0600
Subject: [blindLaw] NABL Meeting Today
Message-ID: <00a901d77410$d7eb2690$87c173b0$@labarrelaw.com>

Hello NABL:

 

We are just 75 minutes from the time of this writing from our 2021 meeting.
Yay!  I wanted to give you all of the relevant links in one place. 

 

First of all, the direct link to our meeting is:

 

https://zoom.us/j/93586180919 

 

Also, if you are interested in accessing all the materials we have for the
meeting, please go to the following link:

 

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/9v1bgut8jxfdrw6/AAATRJ2upWxFGgeqkmLuHeHha?dl=1

 

Please note that we have been updating documents through last evening and
this morning.  So, if you have downloaded documents previously, you may want
to check again.

 

Next, if you need or if you know someone who needs the live captioning link
outside of the Zoom room itself, it is:

 

https://ennis.1capapp.com/event/nfb-e-0695

 

Lastly, if you wish to pay your NABL dues or make a donation to the
organization, please go to NABL's website at:

 

www.blindlawyers.net <http://www.blindlawyers.net> 

 

See you in the meeting!!

 

Scott

 

slabarre at labarrelaw.com <mailto:slabarre at labarrelaw.com> 

303 520-3584, Mobile

 

Here's the agenda again:

 

AGENDA

NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND LAWYERS

2021 ANNUAL MEETING

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----

 

Thursday, July 8, 2021

Anywhere and Everywhere

Zoom Meeting ID:  <https://zoom.us/j/93586180919> 935 8618 0919

 

Note:  All times are Eastern Daylight.

 

 

1:00 PM     WELCOME AND MEETING LOGISTICS

                    Scott C. LaBarre, President, NABL, Centennial, CO

 

1:05 PM     THE AMERICAN BAR ASSOCIATION: WHAT THE ORGANIZED BAR IS DOING
FOR YOU 

Patricia Lee Refo, President, American Bar Association, Phoenix, AZ

 

1:30 PM     AN UPDATE ON IMPLEMENTING THE MARRAKESH TREATY: 

A PRESENTATION FROM WIPO 

Michelle Woods, Director, Copyright Law Division, WIPO, Geneva, Switzerland;
Monica Halil, Head, Accessible Books Consortium, WIPO, Geneva Switzerland

 

2:00 PM     NFB LEGAL PROGRAM LIGHTNING ROUNDS: A BRIEF YET THOROUGH
OVERVIEW OF NFB'S LEGAL ADVOCACY

Scott C. LaBarre, General Counsel, NFB, Centennial, CO; Valerie Yingling,
Legal Program Coordinator, NFB, Baltimore, MD; Timothy R. Elder, Founder,
TRE Legal, Freemont, CA; Albert Elia, TRE Legal, Seattle, WA; Eve L. Hill,
Sharon Krevor Weisbaum, Joseph B. Espo, Jessie Weber, Greg Care, Partners,
Brown, Goldstein and Levy, Baltimore, MD

 

3:15 PM     AN UPDATE FROM THE LAW SCHOOL ADMISSIONS COUNCIL

Leanne Shank, Senior Vice President for Legal and Corporate Affairs, General
Counsel, and Corporate Secretary, LSAC, Newtown, PA; Angela Winfield, Chief
Diversity Officer, LSAC, Newtown, PA 

 

3:30 PM     EXPLORING ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE AND THE PRACTICE OF LAW

Timothy R. Elder, Second Vice President, NABL, Freemont, CA; Jake Heller,
CEO, Casetext, Palo Alto, CA    

 

3:50 PM     PRACTICE FORWARD: A REPORT FROM THE AMERICAN BAR ASSOCIATION ON
THE FUTURE OF LAW PRACTICE DURING AND AFTER THE PANDEMIC

Laura Farber, Co-Chair, ABA Practice Forward Coordinating Group, Pasadena,
CA; William R. Bay, Co-Chair, ABA Practice Forward Coordinating Group, St.
Louis, MO

 

4:20 PM     THOMSON REUTERS NEEDS YOUR HELP

Monica Wegner, Senior Accessibility Specialist, Thomson Reuters,
Minneapolis, MN  

 

4:25 PM     NABL VIRTUAL RECEPTION AND SOCIAL HOUR                 

 

Even though we can't be together in person, let's gather virtually and share
some fellowship.  Sorry no bar or hors d'oeuvres will be provided by NABL
this year, but you can bring your own. 

 

5:00 PM     ADJOURN 

 


From amatney at loeb.com  Fri Jul  9 15:47:26 2021
From: amatney at loeb.com (Angela Matney)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2021 15:47:26 +0000
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Good morning, everyone, I wanted to let you all know about a webinar that my firm (Loeb & Loeb) is conducting in partnership with Level Access. We’ll be discussing the interplay between digital accessibility and data privacy. This webinar has been approved for CLE credit in IL, CA and NY, as well as CPE credit for any of you who have privacy certifications through the IAPP.

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From jfranks at nfbtx.org  Fri Jul  9 18:55:40 2021
From: jfranks at nfbtx.org (Jonathan Franks)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2021 13:55:40 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Navigating the EEOC website
Message-ID: <CAMuaAOK0WW6WvCqP+6bSHNHVxi9obFArrn+h8OAM502sUbAGXw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,
I am attempting to navigate the EEOC website portal to file a charge
of discrimination. However, I have not been able to find where to make
an appointment or to find the form to fill out the complaint. On the
portal there are two links that say form. One gives me an error and
the other states that I am not authorized to view the page. Any
assistance would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Jonathan Franks MSW
Chairperson
Mayor's Committee for People with Disabilities
Austin, Texas
-- 
The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
expectations of blind people, because low expectations create
obstacles between blind people  and our dreams. You can live the life
you want; blindness is not what holds you back.


From jfranks at nfbtx.org  Fri Jul  9 19:18:23 2021
From: jfranks at nfbtx.org (Jonathan Franks)
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2021 14:18:23 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Navigating the EEOC website
In-Reply-To: <CAMuaAOK0WW6WvCqP+6bSHNHVxi9obFArrn+h8OAM502sUbAGXw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMuaAOK0WW6WvCqP+6bSHNHVxi9obFArrn+h8OAM502sUbAGXw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMuaAO+aXcySWCGvFKTr3ABQakwASqqVW8=fLD14NHjpHd7DWA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,
Please disregard my previous email. I was able to find a blank Form 5 online.

Thanks,

Jonathan Franks MSW
Chairperson
Mayor's Committee for People with Disabilities

On 7/9/21, Jonathan Franks <jfranks at nfbtx.org> wrote:
> Hello all,
> I am attempting to navigate the EEOC website portal to file a charge
> of discrimination. However, I have not been able to find where to make
> an appointment or to find the form to fill out the complaint. On the
> portal there are two links that say form. One gives me an error and
> the other states that I am not authorized to view the page. Any
> assistance would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jonathan Franks MSW
> Chairperson
> Mayor's Committee for People with Disabilities
> Austin, Texas
> --
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create
> obstacles between blind people  and our dreams. You can live the life
> you want; blindness is not what holds you back.
>


-- 
The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
expectations of blind people, because low expectations create
obstacles between blind people  and our dreams. You can live the life
you want; blindness is not what holds you back.


From maxs71055 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 12 08:59:04 2021
From: maxs71055 at gmail.com (Max Smith)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 01:59:04 -0700
Subject: [blindLaw] Forwarding The STATEMENT OF CARING CONCERNS OF JAMES AND
 SUSAN GASHEL
Message-ID: <9969972F-0934-4562-8982-4E7A0B31574F@gmail.com>

I couldn’t forward the original email but I have copied and pasted all of it here.
What do you people think?
Trigger warning. The statement mentions and refers to the #MarchingTogether movement.


I.    THE NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND’S 2021 SPECIAL COMMITTEE REPORT ON SEXUAL MISCONDUCT 

We write these concerns because we care about the NFB.  As a member of the Board, Mr. Gashel voted in favor of the Code of Conduct, in favor of the SAFE fund, and voted to release the Report for our members to review, but did not and does not endorse the Report’s content or conclusions.  We write, because, in its zeal to curb misconduct, the members need to know the NFB is creating a kangaroo court. 

We stand with survivors.  No one should have to suffer unwanted harassment or violence, whether in the NFB or anywhere.  Standing with survivors does not mean we should turn over our organization to outside investigators.  This disempowers the affiliates, the backbone of our organization.  

The Code of Conduct defines sexual harassment, but does not define sexual misconduct.  https://nfb.org/about-us/history-and-governance/code-conduct.    Regardless, the Special Committee used the term sexual misconduct (which wasn’t defined) and not sexual harassment.  This is not, we repeat, not, an issue of terminology.  According to RAINN, sexual harassment is widely understood to be a narrow term as compared to the broader term of sexual misconduct.  The substitution of terms is a misleading sleight of hand.  Did the Report conclude any transgressor committed sexual harassment?  We don’t know.  Therefore, we don’t know if any transgressor violated the Code of Conduct.  By being casual about the terms, the Special Committee leads us to believe that the Code of Conduct was violated.  We don’t know and neither do the NFB members.

The Report lacks investigative standards, the text is conclusory, not supported by any stated evidence, and written to evoke strong feelings.  The Report says that Dr. Schroeder was guilty of sexual misconduct over four decades, yet no allegations go back nearly that far.  Sadly, we believe the Special Committee’s methods resulted in a predetermined outcome – a kangaroo court.  

According to the Report, the investigator was objective.  We don’t agree.  Sexual misconduct, not being defined, is in the eye of the beholder – in this case, the External Investigator and the President of the NFB.  Yet, we don’t know what the investigator considers to be sexual misconduct, neither does the membership.    

We acknowledge mistakes have been made; they have been made by the Board of Directors as a whole.  The Report blames the immediate past president and current president, while this may be expedient; we find it to be untrue and unfair to Dr. Maurer and President Riccobono.  

52 separate people are alleged to be either transgressors or individuals who failed to “respond adequately to sexual misconduct allegations.”  Lumping these two categories together creates a perception of a larger problem than we have in NFB.  We don’t even know what failed to “respond adequately” means.  Is it leadership response, is it witness response?  We don’t know.  Did those who allegedly failed to respond adequately violate the Code of Conduct? We don’t know.  Did the transgressors violate the Code of Conduct? We don’t know.  Is consensual sexual behavior sexual misconduct?  We don’t know.  All we do know is that the transgressors violated whatever standard is applied by the External Investigator.  But we don’t know the standard, and neither does the membership.  

Given the size of the NFB, and the fact that allegations from the distant past were considered, we need to step back and reconsider the Report’s conclusions.   

If the NFB adopts the Report’s recommendations for processing sexual misconduct complaints, an External Investigator decides if it is “more likely than not” that a violation took place and recommends disciplinary actions.  The President accepts, rejects or modifies the report and notifies the parties.  An appeal has to be filed within 30 days; the President picks a three-member Appeal Panel from the Board.  But the Appeal Panel cannot overturn the President’s decision unless it is “manifestly unjust,” this means that it has to be plain and obvious that the decision was wrong.  There are no other appeals permitted.  There is an exception for “extenuating circumstances” but this is not explained.  We simply don’t know.  

One thing we do know is this: Under the NFB Constitution, https://nfb.org/about-us/history-and-governance/constitution, the President does not have unilateral authority to suspend, expel, or discipline a member. This authority is expressly reserved to the Board of Directors and the Convention.

Therefore, the actions now being taken by the president violate Article III, Section E of the NFB’s Constitution.  Under Article III, there are only two ways for a member to be suspended, expelled, or disciplined:  by a two thirds majority vote of the Board of Directors or by a simple majority of the states present and voting at a national convention.  The national convention has the sole authority to reverse the Board of Directors.  

Having not amended the Constitution, President Riccobono is throwing people out.  Because there is no appeal to the Board of Directors, and no opportunity to go to convention for redress, the investigation and appeals process being used is unconstitutional, since the constitution requires a two-thirds Board vote, reversible by the national convention.  The NFB membership deserves better.  The membership deserves to have the final say, if anyone wants to take a discipline issue that far.  

Our concerns are informed by the references set forth at the end of this statement. 



II.    CURRENT STATUS AND PRIORITIES OF THE NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND

We fear that the NFB is being consumed by internal disputes while losing its focus on the compelling struggle of blind people for equality, opportunity, and security in society. Mr. Gashel has proposed the following initiatives; all were rejected by President Riccobono:

Public benefits advocacy.  From 2014 through 2018, Mr. Gashel urged more emphasis on advocacy by NFB on behalf of our members eligible for and/or receiving public benefits, including SSI and SSDI.  President Riccobono agreed that these efforts were needed but said NFB lacks staff and resources.  It’s all a matter of priority.  
In January 2018 after Mr. Gashel retired, he offered to contribute time to develop an advocacy effort with respect to Social Security and other public benefits, but President Riccobono did nothing. 
Mr. Gashel, given his unique and extensive experience as a lobbyist, proposed to Mr. Riccobono a plan for the NFB to have a more consistent effort in state and local legislation and advocacy, including volunteering to lead the effort, but President Riccobono did absolutely nothing, while agreeing that action was necessary in this area.  His announcement to establish a committee on state and local legislation and advocacy after Mr. Gashel’s resignation exemplifies the problem of Mr. Riccobono’s reactive, not decisive, leadership. 

We are losing our focus.  Only the membership can bring it back.  We urge all members to ensure that NFB remains the unified voice of the nation’s blind, and that, with love, hope, and determination we will turn our dreams into reality.  

REFERENCES:  
https://hbr.org/2020/05/why-sexual-harassment-programs-backfire 
https://www.rainn.org/articles/sexual-harassment.  
https://www.newamerica.org/better-life-lab/reports/nowwhat-sexual-harassment-solutions-toolkit/top-down-industry-level-or-organizational-change.  
https://www.unh.edu/research/prevention-innovations-research-center/evi.dence-based-initiatives.
https://www.apa.org/monitor/2018/02/sexual-harassment.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/act-four/wp/2018/01/17/the-metoo-movement-is-at-a-dangerous-tipping-point/

James Gashel joined the National Federation of the Blind in 1965 and became the first president of the NFB Student Division. In 1974 he joined the NFB staff as chief of the Washington office, where he became one of the best-known advocates for the blind in the United States. His well-known efforts in Washington have led to significant changes in virtually every law directly affecting blind Americans: the Social Security Act, the Rehabilitation Act, the Randolph-Sheppard Act, the Americans with Disabilities Act, the Copyright Act, the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act, and the Help America Vote Act. While championing these causes, Jim has won the love and respect of the thousands of blind men and women across America who have directly benefited from his informed and effective personal advocacy.
During Jim's service at the NFB, he received the Commissioner's Award for Outstanding Leadership in Rehabilitation Services to the Disabled, the highest honor conferred by the Commissioner of the Rehabilitation Services Administration. He received the Secretary of Labor's Outstanding American Award and the NFB’s Jacobus tenBroek Award, the NFB’s highest honor to recognize members and leaders in our movement.

Susan Rockwood Gashel is an attorney based in Honolulu, Hawaii.  Her employment history covers work with non-profits, government agencies, and the private practice of law over five decades.  She has worked with migrant farmworkers and governing boards, as a staff attorney for Hawaii’s open meetings and public records agency; as a deputy attorney general assigned to the Departments of Health and Human Services, and has served as an arbitrator for 17 state licensing agencies in actions against the Federal government, as well as representing blind vendors from 11 states.  In 2008 she met James Gashel; they married in 2012.  She has been admitted as a member to the Supreme Court of Hawaii, United States District Court for the District of Hawaii, United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth and Seventh Circuits, United States District Court for the District of Colorado, United States Court of Federal Claims, and United States District Court for the Western District of Michigan.  


Best and Aloha,
James Gashel

M: (808) 234-9259
E: jgashel0923 at gmail.com

From tim at timeldermusic.com  Mon Jul 12 17:39:33 2021
From: tim at timeldermusic.com (tim at timeldermusic.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 10:39:33 -0700
Subject: [blindLaw] Casetext Promo
Message-ID: <013401d77744$e0cdbca0$a26935e0$@timeldermusic.com>

Folks who attended the AI presentation during the NABL meeting and are
interested in trying Casetext can use the following links.

1.	For members who are interested in trying our products, visit
https://casetext.com/nabl/
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From jfranks at nfbtx.org  Mon Jul 12 20:40:08 2021
From: jfranks at nfbtx.org (Jonathan Franks)
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 15:40:08 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Form 5 EEOC charge assistance
Message-ID: <CAMuaAO+6frBkSjnQoCOKxtx8E1povqyxewUv8mJe5z1Bc=TDag@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone,
I hope that you all had a great convention as I did.

Does anyone know where to get a Form 5 EEOC complaint form? I
downloaded one off of the internet and it will not let me save it to
my computer after attempting to fill it out. I  have attempted to
navigate the EEOC public portal with no success.

I would appreciate the help,

Jonathan Franks MSW
Board Member
National Federation of the Blind of Texas

-- 
The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
expectations of blind people, because low expectations create
obstacles between blind people  and our dreams. You can live the life
you want; blindness is not what holds you back.


From nmpbrat at aol.com  Tue Jul 13 01:25:38 2021
From: nmpbrat at aol.com (nmpbrat at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2021 01:25:38 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [blindLaw] Form 5 EEOC charge assistance
In-Reply-To: <CAMuaAO+6frBkSjnQoCOKxtx8E1povqyxewUv8mJe5z1Bc=TDag@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMuaAO+6frBkSjnQoCOKxtx8E1povqyxewUv8mJe5z1Bc=TDag@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1892362831.5244655.1626139538581@mail.yahoo.com>

Have you tried this link and form?   https://www.pdffiller.com/55061652-1pdf-eeo-categories-2020-Nicole


-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan Franks via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Cc: Jonathan Franks <jfranks at nfbtx.org>
Sent: Mon, Jul 12, 2021 4:40 pm
Subject: [blindLaw] Form 5 EEOC charge assistance

Hello everyone,
I hope that you all had a great convention as I did.

Does anyone know where to get a Form 5 EEOC complaint form? I
downloaded one off of the internet and it will not let me save it to
my computer after attempting to fill it out. I  have attempted to
navigate the EEOC public portal with no success.

I would appreciate the help,

Jonathan Franks MSW
Board Member
National Federation of the Blind of Texas

-- 
The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
expectations of blind people, because low expectations create
obstacles between blind people  and our dreams. You can live the life
you want; blindness is not what holds you back.

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From kaybaycar at gmail.com  Wed Jul 14 01:45:36 2021
From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2021 21:45:36 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] Legal Server
Message-ID: <CAHox4DJfeGvXbO7Cj=P3kiLvU0wTYj_T77QfAwy_UrXmf6yuqg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

I am working an internship this summer that requires me to use Legal
Server frequently, like every day. The problem is that it lags like
crazy as I read the case notes on the page. I've tried Crome, Firefox,
and Edge. The results are the same with each browser. I am running the
latest version of Jaws. I try to search for what I need, but sometimes
I just need to read up on case history so really have to navigate
through the page. Does anyone else use Legal Server? If so, have you
encountered this? My sighted colleagues tell me that sometimes they
have trouble scrolling pages on Legal Server, but it doesn't seem to
make them move slower as it does for me. As it stands, wading through
our case information is quite a chore and takes way longer than it
should. Any thoughts? Thank you.

-- 
Julie A. McGinnity
MM Vocal Performance, 2015; American University Washington College of
Law, JD Candidate 2023


From sanho817 at gmail.com  Wed Jul 14 01:51:12 2021
From: sanho817 at gmail.com (Sanho Steele-Louchart)
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2021 20:51:12 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Legal Server
In-Reply-To: <CAHox4DJfeGvXbO7Cj=P3kiLvU0wTYj_T77QfAwy_UrXmf6yuqg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHox4DJfeGvXbO7Cj=P3kiLvU0wTYj_T77QfAwy_UrXmf6yuqg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E8145A36-9124-4C6B-BA19-07195AE0E56C@gmail.com>

Julie, 

LegalServer should not be lagging. I've used it every day for over a year. It's never presented me with any problem whatsoever. Could we have a phone to go over it in realtime? I'll message you my number. 

Sanho 

> On Jul 13, 2021, at 8:47 PM, Julie McGinnity via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I am working an internship this summer that requires me to use Legal
> Server frequently, like every day. The problem is that it lags like
> crazy as I read the case notes on the page. I've tried Crome, Firefox,
> and Edge. The results are the same with each browser. I am running the
> latest version of Jaws. I try to search for what I need, but sometimes
> I just need to read up on case history so really have to navigate
> through the page. Does anyone else use Legal Server? If so, have you
> encountered this? My sighted colleagues tell me that sometimes they
> have trouble scrolling pages on Legal Server, but it doesn't seem to
> make them move slower as it does for me. As it stands, wading through
> our case information is quite a chore and takes way longer than it
> should. Any thoughts? Thank you.
> 
> -- 
> Julie A. McGinnity
> MM Vocal Performance, 2015; American University Washington College of
> Law, JD Candidate 2023
> 
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From jlynnbarrow at gmail.com  Wed Jul 14 04:04:24 2021
From: jlynnbarrow at gmail.com (Jen Barrow)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2021 00:04:24 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] Legal Server
In-Reply-To: <E8145A36-9124-4C6B-BA19-07195AE0E56C@gmail.com>
References: <CAHox4DJfeGvXbO7Cj=P3kiLvU0wTYj_T77QfAwy_UrXmf6yuqg@mail.gmail.com>
 <E8145A36-9124-4C6B-BA19-07195AE0E56C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <02c701d77865$558860b0$00992210$@gmail.com>

Hi Julie. My experience has been the same as Sanho. I'm sorry you're encountering the issue you describe. I've used LegalServer daily for several years with JAWS and have not had a lag problem. I used it first with IE, now mostly with Chrome. Are you accessing it in person on the org's computer or remotely through the web on your own laptop with your own internet? Perhaps try both ways if you have only tried one to see if the problem persists. If sighted people also have a lag problem when they scroll, something quirky might be going on with the org's LegalServer account that hasn't been addressed because it's not overly disruptive to others. LegalServer has its own tech support that your org's tech support can contact for assistance. Almost every element of LegalServer is customizable per the org's needs, so hopefully they can identify if there is a problem with your org's configuration.
-Jen 


-----Original Message-----
From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sanho Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2021 9:51 PM
To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Sanho Steele-Louchart <sanho817 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Legal Server

Julie, 

LegalServer should not be lagging. I've used it every day for over a year. It's never presented me with any problem whatsoever. Could we have a phone to go over it in realtime? I'll message you my number. 

Sanho 

> On Jul 13, 2021, at 8:47 PM, Julie McGinnity via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I am working an internship this summer that requires me to use Legal 
> Server frequently, like every day. The problem is that it lags like 
> crazy as I read the case notes on the page. I've tried Crome, Firefox, 
> and Edge. The results are the same with each browser. I am running the 
> latest version of Jaws. I try to search for what I need, but sometimes 
> I just need to read up on case history so really have to navigate 
> through the page. Does anyone else use Legal Server? If so, have you 
> encountered this? My sighted colleagues tell me that sometimes they 
> have trouble scrolling pages on Legal Server, but it doesn't seem to 
> make them move slower as it does for me. As it stands, wading through 
> our case information is quite a chore and takes way longer than it 
> should. Any thoughts? Thank you.
> 
> --
> Julie A. McGinnity
> MM Vocal Performance, 2015; American University Washington College of 
> Law, JD Candidate 2023
> 
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From syedrizvinfb at gmail.com  Thu Jul 15 00:50:24 2021
From: syedrizvinfb at gmail.com (Syed Rizvi)
Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2021 20:50:24 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] Lexis vs West Law
Message-ID: <F25CB6A4-ACF3-4CE9-A3F0-A00D4E0BB45E@gmail.com>

Hi All,

My firm has both west law and lexis. Would you say one is easier to learn than the other? I've only been using JAWS for a few years, so I can't say I am the most advanced. Which site is a smoother experience using a screen reader?

Thanks in advance.

Syed 



-- 
Syed Mahmud Rizvi 

SyedRizviNFB at gmail.com 
(413)250-3523 

Harvard Law School, JD Candidate, 2024 
Paul and Daisy Soros Fellow 
Jacobus Tenbroek Fellow 
SEO Law Fellow 
Lighthouse Guild Scholar 

The University of Texas at Austin, BA in Government, 2020 
Dean's Distinguished Graduate

From sanho817 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 15 05:47:54 2021
From: sanho817 at gmail.com (Sanho Steele-Louchart)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 00:47:54 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Lexis vs West Law
In-Reply-To: <F25CB6A4-ACF3-4CE9-A3F0-A00D4E0BB45E@gmail.com>
References: <F25CB6A4-ACF3-4CE9-A3F0-A00D4E0BB45E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B7CE74CC-1565-4153-B1FF-03107EA3F112@gmail.com>

Hello, 

I personally prefer Westlaw. My experience is that it's more accessible, more intuitive, and more robust. The only time I've used Lexis in the past couple of years was to access People Search. TR/Westlaw also has fantastic research assistance and tech support via phone. Never having used Lexis's similar services, I can't speak to them one way or the other. 

Warmth, 
Sanho 

> On Jul 14, 2021, at 7:51 PM, Syed Rizvi via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> My firm has both west law and lexis. Would you say one is easier to learn than the other? I've only been using JAWS for a few years, so I can't say I am the most advanced. Which site is a smoother experience using a screen reader?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Syed 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Syed Mahmud Rizvi 
> 
> SyedRizviNFB at gmail.com 
> (413)250-3523 
> 
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From vaughnlbrown87 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 15 15:05:52 2021
From: vaughnlbrown87 at gmail.com (vaughnlbrown87 at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 08:05:52 -0700
Subject: [blindLaw] Lexis vs West Law
In-Reply-To: <B7CE74CC-1565-4153-B1FF-03107EA3F112@gmail.com>
References: <F25CB6A4-ACF3-4CE9-A3F0-A00D4E0BB45E@gmail.com>
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Hello,

I prefer Westlaw, used it in my schooling without a problem. When I tried using Lexis the home page was not accessible. It showed an image to click on to launch the site but the image was not clickable by keyboard methods.

Go with Westlaw! It is loaded with useful features.

Vaughn

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Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Lexis vs West Law

Hello, 

I personally prefer Westlaw. My experience is that it's more accessible, more intuitive, and more robust. The only time I've used Lexis in the past couple of years was to access People Search. TR/Westlaw also has fantastic research assistance and tech support via phone. Never having used Lexis's similar services, I can't speak to them one way or the other. 

Warmth, 
Sanho 

> On Jul 14, 2021, at 7:51 PM, Syed Rizvi via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> My firm has both west law and lexis. Would you say one is easier to learn than the other? I've only been using JAWS for a few years, so I can't say I am the most advanced. Which site is a smoother experience using a screen reader?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Syed 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Syed Mahmud Rizvi 
> 
> SyedRizviNFB at gmail.com 
> (413)250-3523 
> 
> Harvard Law School, JD Candidate, 2024 
> Paul and Daisy Soros Fellow 
> Jacobus Tenbroek Fellow 
> SEO Law Fellow 
> Lighthouse Guild Scholar 
> 
> The University of Texas at Austin, BA in Government, 2020 
> Dean's Distinguished Graduate
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From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Thu Jul 15 15:57:54 2021
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 09:57:54 -0600
Subject: [blindLaw] FW: Attorney and Legal Internship Vacancies at the U.S.
 Department of Justice
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Message-ID: <004601d77992$2ccdcd30$86696790$@labarrelaw.com>

 

 

From: DOJlawjobs (OARM) <DOJlawjobs at usdoj.gov> 
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 7:04 AM
To: Undisclosed recipients:
Subject: Attorney and Legal Internship Vacancies at the U.S. Department of
Justice

 

Good morning,

Below is a list of current attorney and legal internship vacancies at the
U.S. Department of Justice. Please post on your internal sites and
distribute to any interested audience, including law student organizations
and other affinity groups. 

The Department of Justice places a high value on diversity of experiences
and perspectives and encourages applications from all qualified individuals
from all ethnic and racial backgrounds, veterans
<https://www.justice.gov/careers/veteran-recruitment> , LGBT individuals,
and persons with disabilities
<https://www.justice.gov/careers/disability-hiring> .  We welcome
applications from candidates who are interested in positively contributing
to Justice and hope that you will consider joining the dedicated public
servants at the Department of Justice.  To learn more about Justice and our
legal careers, please visit our website at
https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers.


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization Criminal Division (CRM) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title International Computer Hacking and Intellectual Property (ICHIP)
Attorney Advisor, Malaysia
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/international-computer-hacking-an
d-intellectual-property-ichip-attorney-advisor-6>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated July 15, 2021 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization USAO Western District of Texas 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Assistant United States Attorney (Criminal)
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/assistant-united-states-attorney-
criminal-96>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State Texas 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated July 14, 2021 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization USAO Northern District of Texas 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title LAW STUDENT VOLUNTEER, SPRING 2022
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/law-student-volunteer-spring-2022
-0>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State Texas 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated July 14, 2021 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization USAO Northern District of Texas 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title LAW STUDENT VOLUNTEER, SPRING 2022
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/law-student-volunteer-spring-2022
-1>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State Texas 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated July 14, 2021 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization USAO District of Columbia 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Assistant United States Attorney (AUSA)
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/assistant-united-states-attorney-
ausa-96>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State District of Columbia 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated July 14, 2021 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization USAO Eastern District of California 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Assistant United States Attorney
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/assistant-united-states-attorney-
910>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State California 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated July 13, 2021 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization USAO Eastern District of California 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Assistant United States Attorney
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/assistant-united-states-attorney-
974>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State California 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated July 13, 2021 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization USAO Eastern District of California 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Assistant United States Attorney
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/assistant-united-states-attorney-
880>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State California 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated July 13, 2021 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization USAO Eastern District of California 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Assistant United States Attorney
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/assistant-united-states-attorney-
1036>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State California 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated July 13, 2021 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization USAO Eastern District of California 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Assistant United States Attorney
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/assistant-united-states-attorney-
1044>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State California 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated July 13, 2021 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization USAO District of Arizona 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Law Student Volunteer, Spring 2022, Tucson Office
(Criminal/Civil/Appellate)
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/law-student-volunteer-spring2022-
tucson-office-criminalcivilappellate>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State Arizona 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated July 13, 2021 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization USAO District of Arizona 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Law Student Volunteer, Spring 2022, Criminal Division
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/law-student-volunteer-spring-2022
-criminal-division>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State Arizona 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated July 13, 2021 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization Criminal Division (CRM) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Lead Trial Attorney (Assistant Deputy Chief, MIMF Unit)
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/lead-trial-attorney-assistant-dep
uty-chief-mimf-unit>  

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State District of Columbia 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated July 13, 2021 


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization Criminal Division (CRM) 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title Resident Legal Advisor, Mexico
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/resident-legal-advisor-mexico-11>


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State 

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
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From teresitarios22 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 15 16:17:25 2021
From: teresitarios22 at gmail.com (Teresita Rios)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 12:17:25 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] Lexis vs West Law
In-Reply-To: <02c501d7798a$e7b0f260$b712d720$@gmail.com>
References: <F25CB6A4-ACF3-4CE9-A3F0-A00D4E0BB45E@gmail.com>
 <B7CE74CC-1565-4153-B1FF-03107EA3F112@gmail.com>
 <02c501d7798a$e7b0f260$b712d720$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKM5H_28dimcL2ZFj-uDyqWyiM59WEU0tDPPQbeH-Vz7jtSucA@mail.gmail.com>

I mostly rely on WestLaw, occasionally use Lexus+ to do some final research
because rarely some cases are on Lexus+ and not on Westlaw. But I can do
without Lexus+.

Warmly,
Teresita Rios


On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 11:07 AM Vaughn Brown via BlindLaw <
blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I prefer Westlaw, used it in my schooling without a problem. When I tried
> using Lexis the home page was not accessible. It showed an image to click
> on to launch the site but the image was not clickable by keyboard methods.
>
> Go with Westlaw! It is loaded with useful features.
>
> Vaughn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Sanho
> Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw
> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2021 10:48 PM
> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Sanho Steele-Louchart <sanho817 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Lexis vs West Law
>
> Hello,
>
> I personally prefer Westlaw. My experience is that it's more accessible,
> more intuitive, and more robust. The only time I've used Lexis in the past
> couple of years was to access People Search. TR/Westlaw also has fantastic
> research assistance and tech support via phone. Never having used Lexis's
> similar services, I can't speak to them one way or the other.
>
> Warmth,
> Sanho
>
> > On Jul 14, 2021, at 7:51 PM, Syed Rizvi via BlindLaw <
> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > My firm has both west law and lexis. Would you say one is easier to
> learn than the other? I've only been using JAWS for a few years, so I can't
> say I am the most advanced. Which site is a smoother experience using a
> screen reader?
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > Syed
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Syed Mahmud Rizvi
> >
> > SyedRizviNFB at gmail.com
> > (413)250-3523
> >
> > Harvard Law School, JD Candidate, 2024
> > Paul and Daisy Soros Fellow
> > Jacobus Tenbroek Fellow
> > SEO Law Fellow
> > Lighthouse Guild Scholar
> >
> > The University of Texas at Austin, BA in Government, 2020
> > Dean's Distinguished Graduate
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From kaybaycar at gmail.com  Thu Jul 15 17:15:15 2021
From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 13:15:15 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] Lexis vs West Law
In-Reply-To: <CAKM5H_28dimcL2ZFj-uDyqWyiM59WEU0tDPPQbeH-Vz7jtSucA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F25CB6A4-ACF3-4CE9-A3F0-A00D4E0BB45E@gmail.com>
 <B7CE74CC-1565-4153-B1FF-03107EA3F112@gmail.com>
 <02c501d7798a$e7b0f260$b712d720$@gmail.com>
 <CAKM5H_28dimcL2ZFj-uDyqWyiM59WEU0tDPPQbeH-Vz7jtSucA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHox4D+9yBm17E+DmYcSC2j-oM+KP5R7jsj4TyQzdpfd6X4Erg@mail.gmail.com>

Yep. I agree with the others. I like Westlaw and do not find Lexis as
intuitive. I have had to use both throughout my first year in law
school because they made us do research assignments using both sites.
I definitely prefer Westlaw and use it over Lexis anytime I can. The
heading layouts make it easy to navigate with Jaws, and some of the
information you might need to get to you can find in tables that Jaws
will locate for you. I also find that there search feature works well
with Jaws. Until Westlaw, I had not found an auto complete type search
feature that wasn't clunky with a screen reader.

Good luck...

Julie

On 7/15/21, Teresita Rios via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I mostly rely on WestLaw, occasionally use Lexus+ to do some final research
> because rarely some cases are on Lexus+ and not on Westlaw. But I can do
> without Lexus+.
>
> Warmly,
> Teresita Rios
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 11:07 AM Vaughn Brown via BlindLaw <
> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I prefer Westlaw, used it in my schooling without a problem. When I tried
>> using Lexis the home page was not accessible. It showed an image to click
>> on to launch the site but the image was not clickable by keyboard methods.
>>
>> Go with Westlaw! It is loaded with useful features.
>>
>> Vaughn
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Sanho
>> Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2021 10:48 PM
>> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Sanho Steele-Louchart <sanho817 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Lexis vs West Law
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I personally prefer Westlaw. My experience is that it's more accessible,
>> more intuitive, and more robust. The only time I've used Lexis in the past
>> couple of years was to access People Search. TR/Westlaw also has fantastic
>> research assistance and tech support via phone. Never having used Lexis's
>> similar services, I can't speak to them one way or the other.
>>
>> Warmth,
>> Sanho
>>
>> > On Jul 14, 2021, at 7:51 PM, Syed Rizvi via BlindLaw <
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi All,
>> >
>> > My firm has both west law and lexis. Would you say one is easier to
>> learn than the other? I've only been using JAWS for a few years, so I
>> can't
>> say I am the most advanced. Which site is a smoother experience using a
>> screen reader?
>> >
>> > Thanks in advance.
>> >
>> > Syed
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Syed Mahmud Rizvi
>> >
>> > SyedRizviNFB at gmail.com
>> > (413)250-3523
>> >
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From syedrizvinfb at gmail.com  Thu Jul 15 17:30:40 2021
From: syedrizvinfb at gmail.com (Syed Rizvi)
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 13:30:40 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] Lexis vs West Law
In-Reply-To: <CAHox4D+9yBm17E+DmYcSC2j-oM+KP5R7jsj4TyQzdpfd6X4Erg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHox4D+9yBm17E+DmYcSC2j-oM+KP5R7jsj4TyQzdpfd6X4Erg@mail.gmail.com>
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thank you all so much, west law it is! 




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> On Jul 15, 2021, at 1:16 PM, Julie McGinnity via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Yep. I agree with the others. I like Westlaw and do not find Lexis as
> intuitive. I have had to use both throughout my first year in law
> school because they made us do research assignments using both sites.
> I definitely prefer Westlaw and use it over Lexis anytime I can. The
> heading layouts make it easy to navigate with Jaws, and some of the
> information you might need to get to you can find in tables that Jaws
> will locate for you. I also find that there search feature works well
> with Jaws. Until Westlaw, I had not found an auto complete type search
> feature that wasn't clunky with a screen reader.
> 
> Good luck...
> 
> Julie
> 
>> On 7/15/21, Teresita Rios via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I mostly rely on WestLaw, occasionally use Lexus+ to do some final research
>> because rarely some cases are on Lexus+ and not on Westlaw. But I can do
>> without Lexus+.
>> 
>> Warmly,
>> Teresita Rios
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 11:07 AM Vaughn Brown via BlindLaw <
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> I prefer Westlaw, used it in my schooling without a problem. When I tried
>>> using Lexis the home page was not accessible. It showed an image to click
>>> on to launch the site but the image was not clickable by keyboard methods.
>>> 
>>> Go with Westlaw! It is loaded with useful features.
>>> 
>>> Vaughn
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Sanho
>>> Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2021 10:48 PM
>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Sanho Steele-Louchart <sanho817 at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Lexis vs West Law
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> I personally prefer Westlaw. My experience is that it's more accessible,
>>> more intuitive, and more robust. The only time I've used Lexis in the past
>>> couple of years was to access People Search. TR/Westlaw also has fantastic
>>> research assistance and tech support via phone. Never having used Lexis's
>>> similar services, I can't speak to them one way or the other.
>>> 
>>> Warmth,
>>> Sanho
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 14, 2021, at 7:51 PM, Syed Rizvi via BlindLaw <
>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi All,
>>>> 
>>>> My firm has both west law and lexis. Would you say one is easier to
>>> learn than the other? I've only been using JAWS for a few years, so I
>>> can't
>>> say I am the most advanced. Which site is a smoother experience using a
>>> screen reader?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>> 
>>>> Syed
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Syed Mahmud Rizvi
>>>> 
>>>> SyedRizviNFB at gmail.com
>>>> (413)250-3523
>>>> 
>>>> Harvard Law School, JD Candidate, 2024
>>>> Paul and Daisy Soros Fellow
>>>> Jacobus Tenbroek Fellow
>>>> SEO Law Fellow
>>>> Lighthouse Guild Scholar
>>>> 
>>>> The University of Texas at Austin, BA in Government, 2020
>>>> Dean's Distinguished Graduate
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From m_b_gilmore at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 18 10:42:56 2021
From: m_b_gilmore at yahoo.com (Mike Gilmore)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 10:42:56 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [blindLaw] veteran protection in Ohio?
References: <333666343.224384.1626604976376.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <333666343.224384.1626604976376@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi everyone,

I received a call yesterday from a family member regarding protections for veterans. He's been working for a company for ten years and has a spotless file (all of his performance reviews are outstanding, etc.) He's been working at the company's location for the past year in Cincinnati, Ohio, and recently the president of the company came to inspect the location. He said that it wasn't all that clean and needed to be improved. Also, he complained about my relative's inability to put a team of managers together (there has veen 60% turnover at the location.) When the president visited again recently, he said the cleanliness had improved but it could still do better. They're putting my relative on a 90-day performance imporvement plan. (My relative visited another location about an hour away from his location and it was dirtier than his location. Basically, he works in a warehouse and moves freight. There's only so much cleaning one can do.)

I should menton that this president has never interacted well with him (it goes back to a few years ago when the president made a visit to another location he worked out. My relative came in like he normally would and was chewed out because he wasn't there to meet him. He told him if he had knowledge of his visit, he definitely would've been there.)
Needless to say, he feels as if this president has it in for him. In a situation like this, are there any protection for veterans under Ohio law or federal laws? The company is a termination-at-will company; however, to have a spotless record and have this come up seems a little like he is being set up.

Thanks.

Mike


From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com  Sun Jul 18 12:01:34 2021
From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 17:31:34 +0530
Subject: [blindLaw] Accessing Comments and Edits in Google Docs with JAWS
Message-ID: <CADFycPb9W8v4PkqwL6Un3C9y4e22=c=3bhaZmdems0+aWuPqYw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

At my current workplace, I am required to collaborate a great deal
with my colleagues using Google docs. I am wondering if anyone has any
suggestions as to how comments and edits can be accessed with JAWS in
an efficient and seamless manner.

I found a video by Freedom Scientific on accessing comments in google
sheets. The two commands the speaker suggested for adding new comments
and viewing the comment discussion thread aren't working for me. These
are alt+control+m and alt+control+shift+a respectively. When I press
these keystrokes, nothing happens. Screen reader support is enabled.

I use JAWS 2021, Chrome 91.0.124.

Warmly,
Rahul



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Senior Resident Fellow,
Vidhi Centre for Legal Policy, New Delhi, India
Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018)
University of Oxford


From m_b_gilmore at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 18 12:07:15 2021
From: m_b_gilmore at yahoo.com (Mike Gilmore)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 12:07:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [blindLaw] out of the ordinary question
References: <142060528.237272.1626610035855.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <142060528.237272.1626610035855@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi everyone,

I'm about to ask an out of the ordinary question. I am writing a paper for an online course. I was wondering if there are any folks on this listserv who are Christians that grew up Muslim. If so, please e-mail me. I have three short questions to ask that can be replied to via e-mail.

Thanks.

Mike


From sanho817 at gmail.com  Sun Jul 18 12:20:03 2021
From: sanho817 at gmail.com (Sanho Steele-Louchart)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 07:20:03 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] out of the ordinary question
In-Reply-To: <142060528.237272.1626610035855@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <142060528.237272.1626610035855@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <299E238C-7749-47CD-9696-3DD3A9B30AE7@gmail.com>

Mike, 

I'm not, but I know someone who is. It'll be tonight before I can ask him. When do you need the information? 


Sanho 

> On Jul 18, 2021, at 7:08 AM, Mike Gilmore via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I'm about to ask an out of the ordinary question. I am writing a paper for an online course. I was wondering if there are any folks on this listserv who are Christians that grew up Muslim. If so, please e-mail me. I have three short questions to ask that can be replied to via e-mail.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Mike
> 
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From seifs at umich.edu  Sun Jul 18 13:25:41 2021
From: seifs at umich.edu (Seif-Eldeen Saqallah)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 09:25:41 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] out of the ordinary question
In-Reply-To: <299E238C-7749-47CD-9696-3DD3A9B30AE7@gmail.com>
References: <142060528.237272.1626610035855@mail.yahoo.com>
 <299E238C-7749-47CD-9696-3DD3A9B30AE7@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+3kOQeHAjPNCuyGhn4K1tb3WTEb4h=fXgWD2r8NfzAMiwsk1A@mail.gmail.com>

Hello, Mike,

I hope you are well.

Not answering your question but relevant to it, I am Muslim who grew
up in Christian and interfaith communities;
I also know the reverse, Muslims who grew up Christian.
Let me know if I can help.

Peace,
Seif


On 7/18/21, Sanho Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Mike,
>
> I'm not, but I know someone who is. It'll be tonight before I can ask him.
> When do you need the information?
>
>
> Sanho
>
>> On Jul 18, 2021, at 7:08 AM, Mike Gilmore via BlindLaw
>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I'm about to ask an out of the ordinary question. I am writing a paper for
>> an online course. I was wondering if there are any folks on this listserv
>> who are Christians that grew up Muslim. If so, please e-mail me. I have
>> three short questions to ask that can be replied to via e-mail.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Mike
>>
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From rjmorrissey26 at gmail.com  Sun Jul 18 14:00:16 2021
From: rjmorrissey26 at gmail.com (bob morrissey)
Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 10:00:16 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] veteran protection in Ohio?
In-Reply-To: <333666343.224384.1626604976376@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <333666343.224384.1626604976376.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <333666343.224384.1626604976376@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001a01d77bdd$3d0f4a00$b72dde00$@com>

I would suggest that your family member should consult with his/her HR
department if one exists.  Otherwise, consult with an attorney who
specializes in work place injustice.

good luck.

-----Original Message-----
From: BlindLaw [mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike
Gilmore via BlindLaw
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2021 6:43 AM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Cc: Mike Gilmore
Subject: [blindLaw] veteran protection in Ohio?

Hi everyone,

I received a call yesterday from a family member regarding protections for
veterans. He's been working for a company for ten years and has a spotless
file (all of his performance reviews are outstanding, etc.) He's been
working at the company's location for the past year in Cincinnati, Ohio, and
recently the president of the company came to inspect the location. He said
that it wasn't all that clean and needed to be improved. Also, he complained
about my relative's inability to put a team of managers together (there has
veen 60% turnover at the location.) When the president visited again
recently, he said the cleanliness had improved but it could still do better.
They're putting my relative on a 90-day performance imporvement plan. (My
relative visited another location about an hour away from his location and
it was dirtier than his location. Basically, he works in a warehouse and
moves freight. There's only so much cleaning one can do.)

I should menton that this president has never interacted well with him (it
goes back to a few years ago when the president made a visit to another
location he worked out. My relative came in like he normally would and was
chewed out because he wasn't there to meet him. He told him if he had
knowledge of his visit, he definitely would've been there.)
Needless to say, he feels as if this president has it in for him. In a
situation like this, are there any protection for veterans under Ohio law or
federal laws? The company is a termination-at-will company; however, to have
a spotless record and have this come up seems a little like he is being set
up.

Thanks.

Mike

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From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 15:21:23 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] FW: U.S. Department of Justice Attorney Vacancies Update
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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Tue Jul 20 20:13:14 2021
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2021 20:13:14 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] 63% of Workers Who File an EEOC Discrimination Complaint
 Lose Their Jobs - Government Executive - July 19, 2021
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https://www.govexec.com/workforce/2021/07/63-workers-who-file-eeoc-discrimination-complaint-lose-their-jobs/183849/
63% of Workers Who File an EEOC Discrimination Complaint Lose Their Jobs
By Donald T. Tomaskovic-Devey, Carly McCann and J.D. Swerzenski
Government Executive
July 19, 2021

Workers who filed complaints faced retaliation and rarely got a favorable result from the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.
People who experience sex discrimination, race discrimination and other forms of discrimination at work aren't getting much protection from the laws designed to shield them from it.
That's our main finding after analyzing the outcomes of 683,419 discrimination cases filed with the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission from 2012 to 2016 - the most recent data available. We focused on workplace complaints filed related to race, sex, disability, age and national origin. Those are the five most common categories.
We found that at least 63% of workers who filed a complaint eventually lost their job. That number was even higher for workers who filed a disability-related claim, at 67%. And about 40% of workers reporting experiencing employer retaliation, such as verbal abuse or being passed over for work opportunities like training or promotion, for filing a claim. At 46%, employer retaliation was most common for sex discrimination cases.
Moreover, the complaints themselves rarely led to a successful outcome for the workers who filed them. Our analysis found that legal redress in the form of negotiated or mandated changes in workplace practices occurred in only 7% of all cases. Workers received monetary awards in 12% of the cases - with a median payout of only US$8,500.
These patterns may explain why only a fraction of people who believe that they have experienced discrimination at work actually file a complaint. Legal standards to prove discrimination to the EEOC or in court are quite high, and the burden of proof falls largely on the employee.
Low rates of discrimination claim filing may also suggest that people see the legal route as dangerous with low chances of success. Enduring discrimination on the job and proving it in court or to the government are quite different things.
Lawmakers have been debating measures to beef up protections for workers for years, such as the Paycheck Fairness Act, a bill aimed at wage discrimination, or paying workers doing the same job differently based on their sex, race or national origin. Besides increasing pay transparency, the bill would shift more of the burden of proof to the employer.
While we believe passage of this legislation would be a good step to encourage more workers to report discrimination, our research shows that increased protections should be applied to all types of discrimination. But giving workers the protection from discrimination that we feel they deserve likely will require stronger enforcement efforts and stiffer penalties for employers who break the law.




From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Thu Jul 22 20:11:03 2021
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 14:11:03 -0600
Subject: [blindLaw] FW: Spring '22 Internship Posting (remote option)
In-Reply-To: <CY1P110MB0517D27A2985A0787CC779AB98E49@CY1P110MB0517.NAMP110.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <CY1P110MB0517D27A2985A0787CC779AB98E49@CY1P110MB0517.NAMP110.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <001a01d77f35$b2ce7cb0$186b7610$@labarrelaw.com>

 

 

From: Uyehara, Paul (CRT) <Paul.Uyehara at usdoj.gov> 
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2021 2:08 PM
To: Uyehara, Paul (CRT) <Paul.Uyehara at usdoj.gov>
Subject: Spring '22 Internship Posting (remote option)

 

Dear Dean or Career Staff,

 

The Federal Coordination and Compliance Section of the US Department of
Justice, Civil Rights Division is accepting applications for unpaid spring
internships from college, law, and grad school students who are able to work
at least 16 hours per week for the semester.  Interns will have the option
of working remotely if the FCS office is open.  Information on FCS is here:
Civil Rights Division Offices
<https://www.justice.gov/crt/civil-rights-division-offices-sections-employme
nt-opportunities#fcs> & Sections Employment Opportunities (justice.gov) and
application procedures are here:
https://www.justice.gov/crt/volunteer-and-paid-student-internships.  Intern
hiring is done on a rolling basis until November 1 so interested students
should apply promptly. 

 

Thank you,

 

 

Paul M. Uyehara

Senior Attorney

Federal Coordination and Compliance Section

Civil Rights Division 

U.S. Department of Justice

4 Constitution Square, Suite 7.131

150 M Street, N.E. 

Washington, D.C. 20530

 

(202) 532-5172 (cell)

(202) 305-9813 (office)

(202) 307-0595 (fax)

 <mailto:paul.uyehara at usdoj.gov> paul.uyehara at usdoj.gov

 <https://www.justice.gov/crt/fcs> https://www.justice.gov/crt/fcs 

 


From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Tue Jul 27 18:40:24 2021
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2021 12:40:24 -0600
Subject: [blindLaw] NABL 2021 Annual Meeting Recording and Materials
Message-ID: <015e01d78316$dcde6300$969b2900$@labarrelaw.com>

Hey Everyone:

 

For a limited time, we are making the recording of our 2021 Annual Meeting
and the corresponding materials  available to everyone free of charge.  The
below Dropbox link has everything you need in it:

 

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/9v1bgut8jxfdrw6/AAATRJ2upWxFGgeqkmLuHeHha?dl=1 

 

In addition to the audio recording of the meeting, you will find the
transcript produced from our live captioner and the chat log from the Zoom
Meeting.  

 

Enjoy!!

 

Scott LaBarre, President

NABL


From rthomas48 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 30 00:25:07 2021
From: rthomas48 at gmail.com (Roderick Thomas)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2021 20:25:07 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] case management software
Message-ID: <cc23362c-b0e5-ea8c-0570-fb4fea967768@gmail.com>

Hey Guys, I am looking to purchase a case management system. I spoke 
with someone at Westlaw and he recommended Firm Central. As anyone use 
this case management system with Jaws? Can anyone recommend any other 
good case management system that works with Jaws.??


Sincerely, Roderick Thomas



From al.elia at aol.com  Fri Jul 30 17:10:47 2021
From: al.elia at aol.com (ALBERT ELIA)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2021 10:10:47 -0700
Subject: [blindLaw] case management software
In-Reply-To: <cc23362c-b0e5-ea8c-0570-fb4fea967768@gmail.com>
References: <cc23362c-b0e5-ea8c-0570-fb4fea967768@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D8444D09-59F6-42E1-9D65-8FE7C243D150@aol.com>

We use Clio. It was  the most accessible system we tested. Clio also has 
  an accessibility team.

On 29 Jul 2021, at 17:25, Roderick Thomas wrote:

> Hey Guys, I am looking to purchase a case management system. I spoke 
> with someone at Westlaw and he recommended Firm Central. As anyone use 
> this case management system with Jaws? Can anyone recommend any other 
> good case management system that works with Jaws.??
>
>
> Sincerely, Roderick Thomas