From davant1958 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  1 17:11:43 2022
From: davant1958 at gmail.com (denise avant)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2022 11:11:43 -0600
Subject: [blindLaw] ABA CLE Verification Codes
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Hi,
Is there a particular course or CLE that you had trouble with. I serve on the Commission on Disability Rights and have been working with the CLE staff to improve accessibility. It would be helpful to share what course/CLE and when you attempted to take it.
 

Denise Avant, ESQ
1st Vice President
National Federation of the Blind of Illinois
For more information about NFBI,
Go to www.nfbofillinois.org

-----Original Message-----
From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Scott C. LaBarre via BlindLaw
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2022 3:23 PM
To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>; 'Brian Unitt' <BrianUnitt at holsteinlaw.com>
Cc: Scott C. LaBarre <slabarre at labarrelaw.com>; tim at timeldermusic.com
Subject: Re: [blindLaw] ABA CLE Verification Codes

Tim, the last time that I took an ABA CLE, JAWS alerted me when the dialog box popped up and I was able to respond.  It is true that the function didn't work during parts of 2020, but after we spoke with them, it started work.  Now, because it has been several months since I've taken a CLE from the ABA, it is very possible that this feature got broken again.  I'll check into it.

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From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Tim Elder via BlindLaw
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2022 9:56 AM
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Cc: tim at timeldermusic.com
Subject: Re: [blindLaw] ABA CLE Verification Codes

What is ABA doing to automate this so that any code displayed via video always has an audio and/or text equivalent in the browser?  I was under the impression that the displayed code was added by the video platform afterward, not part of the actual presenters or original broadcast.  I haven't seen enough of these with codes to know if it is a common practice.



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From: Brian Unitt <BrianUnitt at holsteinlaw.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2022 12:57 PM
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Subject: Re: [blindLaw] ABA CLE Verification Codes

To Tim's point about the ABA courses, I did a few of them in 2020 and was not able to access the verification codes. I e-mailed the moderator after the program, told them the situation and was sent the course certificate immediately after I completed the course evaluation. It would be better if they fixed the accessibility issue, but they were completely willing to work with me to get the credit.

Brian
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From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Howard Adelsberg via BlindLaw
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2022 9:15 PM
To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
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Subject: Re: [blindLaw] ABA CLE Verification Codes

Tyvm

-Howard M. Adelsberg


> On Jan 30, 2022, at 12:08 AM, Dennis Clark via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Howard,
> 
> Their contact info is as follows:
> 
> 
> 916-550-6253
> 
> 
> https://www.accessmcle.com
> 
> Their collection of topics is quite good, and using a screen reader on their website has always gone smoothly.
> 
> 
> Best of luck
> 
> Dennis
> 
> 
>> On 1/29/2022 8:58 PM, Howard Adelsberg via BlindLaw wrote:
>> I would be interested
>> 
>> -Howard M. Adelsberg
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Jan 29, 2022, at 11:57 PM, Dennis Clark via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Tim,
>>> 
>>> I just finished all 25 of my required hours using a company called Access MCLE. This is the third time I've used them, and they offer several options. The cost was $60, and you can complete them on-line. A 3 digit code is spoken twice during each 1 hour presentation, and you enter this code when the video finishes. I can send you their contact info if you are interested.
>>> 
>>> Good luck
>>> 
>>> Dennis Clark
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 1/29/2022 5:46 PM, Tim Elder via BlindLaw wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> U.S. Attorneys,
>>>> 
>>>>  It's triennial CLE reporting time for California, which means I'm 
>>>> scrambling as in years past to complete the substance abuse ethics 
>>>> CLE unit.  ABA CLE suggests the following about visual verification 
>>>> codes.  Do these states require these visual verifications in the video content?
>>>> 
>>>>  DE, LA, IN, NE, NJ, NY, OH, PA, SC, TN, and RI attorneys:
>>>> 
>>>> This CLE program contains one or more verification code(s) within the media.
>>>> To verify your attendance, you must:
>>>> 
>>>> 1.    Write this code down exactly as it appears in the program.
>>>> 2.    When prompted for the code to earn your certificate, enter the code
>>>> that appeared in the program.
>>>> 3.    Click "View Certificate" at any time to access your CLE certificate.
>>>> 
>>>>  If these states are mandating this verification technique, are 
>>>> they also mandating auditory reading of the code?  If not, does 
>>>> ABA's CLE center do something about this for their massive library of CLE?
>>>> 
>>>>      _______________________________________________
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From tim at timeldermusic.com  Tue Feb  1 20:04:10 2022
From: tim at timeldermusic.com (tim at timeldermusic.com)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2022 12:04:10 -0800
Subject: [blindLaw] ABA CLE Verification Codes
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Thanks Scott,

TO be clear.  I did not encounter a code in the particular class that I took.  But I saw the notice in my account and wondered if the issue had a systemic solution across the entire library of CLE items.  If all ABA courses use that solution, then this probably isn't a problem, at least for ABA CLE.  If some states are requiring the code verification, then a simple adjustment in one state's requirements would push all other CLE providers to follow ABA's lead.



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Cc: tim at timeldermusic.com
Subject: Re: [blindLaw] ABA CLE Verification Codes

Tim, the last time that I took an ABA CLE, JAWS alerted me when the dialog box popped up and I was able to respond.  It is true that the function didn't work during parts of 2020, but after we spoke with them, it started work.  Now, because it has been several months since I've taken a CLE from the ABA, it is very possible that this feature got broken again.  I'll check into it.

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Sent: Monday, January 31, 2022 9:56 AM
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Cc: tim at timeldermusic.com
Subject: Re: [blindLaw] ABA CLE Verification Codes

What is ABA doing to automate this so that any code displayed via video always has an audio and/or text equivalent in the browser?  I was under the impression that the displayed code was added by the video platform afterward, not part of the actual presenters or original broadcast.  I haven't seen enough of these with codes to know if it is a common practice.



-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Unitt <BrianUnitt at holsteinlaw.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2022 12:57 PM
To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [blindLaw] ABA CLE Verification Codes

To Tim's point about the ABA courses, I did a few of them in 2020 and was not able to access the verification codes. I e-mailed the moderator after the program, told them the situation and was sent the course certificate immediately after I completed the course evaluation. It would be better if they fixed the accessibility issue, but they were completely willing to work with me to get the credit.

Brian
Brian C. Unitt
Certified Specialist in Appellate Law
By the State Bar of California

Law Office of Brian C. Unitt
6185 Magnolia Ave, PMB 40
Riverside, CA 92506
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-----Original Message-----
From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Howard Adelsberg via BlindLaw
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2022 9:15 PM
To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Howard Adelsberg <howardadelsberg at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [blindLaw] ABA CLE Verification Codes

Tyvm

-Howard M. Adelsberg


> On Jan 30, 2022, at 12:08 AM, Dennis Clark via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Howard,
> 
> Their contact info is as follows:
> 
> 
> 916-550-6253
> 
> 
> https://www.accessmcle.com
> 
> Their collection of topics is quite good, and using a screen reader on their website has always gone smoothly.
> 
> 
> Best of luck
> 
> Dennis
> 
> 
>> On 1/29/2022 8:58 PM, Howard Adelsberg via BlindLaw wrote:
>> I would be interested
>> 
>> -Howard M. Adelsberg
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Jan 29, 2022, at 11:57 PM, Dennis Clark via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Tim,
>>> 
>>> I just finished all 25 of my required hours using a company called Access MCLE. This is the third time I've used them, and they offer several options. The cost was $60, and you can complete them on-line. A 3 digit code is spoken twice during each 1 hour presentation, and you enter this code when the video finishes. I can send you their contact info if you are interested.
>>> 
>>> Good luck
>>> 
>>> Dennis Clark
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 1/29/2022 5:46 PM, Tim Elder via BlindLaw wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> U.S. Attorneys,
>>>> 
>>>>  It's triennial CLE reporting time for California, which means I'm 
>>>> scrambling as in years past to complete the substance abuse ethics 
>>>> CLE unit.  ABA CLE suggests the following about visual verification 
>>>> codes.  Do these states require these visual verifications in the video content?
>>>> 
>>>>  DE, LA, IN, NE, NJ, NY, OH, PA, SC, TN, and RI attorneys:
>>>> 
>>>> This CLE program contains one or more verification code(s) within the media.
>>>> To verify your attendance, you must:
>>>> 
>>>> 1.    Write this code down exactly as it appears in the program.
>>>> 2.    When prompted for the code to earn your certificate, enter the code
>>>> that appeared in the program.
>>>> 3.    Click "View Certificate" at any time to access your CLE certificate.
>>>> 
>>>>  If these states are mandating this verification technique, are 
>>>> they also mandating auditory reading of the code?  If not, does 
>>>> ABA's CLE center do something about this for their massive library of CLE?
>>>> 
>>>>      _______________________________________________
>>>> BlindLaw mailing list
>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
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>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw:
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/dennis%40dgcl
>>>> ark.net
>>>> 
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From mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com  Wed Feb  2 13:32:30 2022
From: mrodrigues81 at hotmail.com (Marcos Rodrigues)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2022 13:32:30 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Job accommodation and medical certification form
Message-ID: <BLAPR16MB3889278DF7CECBC1B4D9E328CD279@BLAPR16MB3889.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

Good morning:

I was hired to work remotely for a law firm and requested the installation of NVDA on their virtual machine.

They sent me an email stating that for the accommodation provided I will have to have my doctor fill a job accommodation form and return the filled form to the HR person.

Is this legal for them to do? If not, what argument can I use to refuse to have my doctor to fill the form?

Regards.

From sanho817 at gmail.com  Wed Feb  2 13:54:18 2022
From: sanho817 at gmail.com (Sanho Steele-Louchart)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2022 07:54:18 -0600
Subject: [blindLaw] Job accommodation and medical certification form
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References: <BLAPR16MB3889278DF7CECBC1B4D9E328CD279@BLAPR16MB3889.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
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https://askjan.org/articles/Requests-For-Medical-Documentation-and-the-ADA.cfm

That link gives a fair overview.

https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/guidance/enforcement-guidance-reasonable-accommodation-and-undue-hardship-under-ada

That link goes deeper and uses more technical language, but also
doesn't address the exact question of requesting documentation.


On 2/2/22, Marcos Rodrigues via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Good morning:
>
> I was hired to work remotely for a law firm and requested the installation
> of NVDA on their virtual machine.
>
> They sent me an email stating that for the accommodation provided I will
> have to have my doctor fill a job accommodation form and return the filled
> form to the HR person.
>
> Is this legal for them to do? If not, what argument can I use to refuse to
> have my doctor to fill the form?
>
> Regards.
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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Wed Feb  2 16:33:26 2022
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2022 16:33:26 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Justice Department Secures Agreement to Make Online
 COVID-19 Vaccine Registration Accessible for People with Disabilities at
 Meijer Supermarket Chain
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Thought those on this list might find this of interest.

From: U.S. Department of Justice <usdoj at public.govdelivery.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 2, 2022 8:29 AM
Subject: Justice Department Secures Agreement to Make Online COVID-19 Vaccine Registration Accessible for People with Disabilities at Meijer Supermarket Chain


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From matthewj.smith1914 at gmail.com  Thu Feb  3 05:45:57 2022
From: matthewj.smith1914 at gmail.com (Matthew Smith)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2022 23:45:57 -0600
Subject: [blindLaw] LSAT accessible materials and courses
Message-ID: <4DF6E18B-404E-484E-BFB7-2307819B2E45@gmail.com>

Greetings!
I am so happy to find this email listing and have a few questions to those that have the time to listen. I am having a hard time finding accessible LSAT material and was wondering if someone Could point me in the right direction to find some. I attempted to search through the various threads but could not find one that focused on the topic of LSAT prep. If possible could someone also provide tips or tricks when approaching the LSAT. lastly, is there any advice on approaching the admissions process, I know everyone has applied to different law schools but general advice would be helpful from a blind applicants perspective. I thank those that will answer in advance and look forward to engaging with those on other various topics in the future! 

From sanho817 at gmail.com  Thu Feb  3 06:11:39 2022
From: sanho817 at gmail.com (Sanho Steele-Louchart)
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2022 00:11:39 -0600
Subject: [blindLaw] LSAT accessible materials and courses
In-Reply-To: <4DF6E18B-404E-484E-BFB7-2307819B2E45@gmail.com>
References: <4DF6E18B-404E-484E-BFB7-2307819B2E45@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48506937-3285-4BCF-A7FD-6EBB59DE1B11@gmail.com>

Bookshare has some excellent material. The XML files are usually scripted with headings and other formatting tags for easy navigation. The LSAT was fairly straightforward. Just be careful about the logic games, assuming you're taking it while they're still around. Excel or physical manipulables will be your friends. 

No particular thoughts on the admissions process. I chose my school for a combination of its rank, cost, and culture. The last was by far the most important to me, but they're all worth considering. 

Sanho 

> On Feb 2, 2022, at 11:48 PM, Matthew Smith via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Greetings!
> I am so happy to find this email listing and have a few questions to those that have the time to listen. I am having a hard time finding accessible LSAT material and was wondering if someone Could point me in the right direction to find some. I attempted to search through the various threads but could not find one that focused on the topic of LSAT prep. If possible could someone also provide tips or tricks when approaching the LSAT. lastly, is there any advice on approaching the admissions process, I know everyone has applied to different law schools but general advice would be helpful from a blind applicants perspective. I thank those that will answer in advance and look forward to engaging with those on other various topics in the future! 
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From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Thu Feb  3 13:15:38 2022
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre)
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2022 06:15:38 -0700
Subject: [blindLaw] FW: Attorney and Legal Internship Vacancies at the U.S.
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FYI

 

From: DOJlawjobs (OARM) <DOJlawjobs at usdoj.gov> 
Sent: Thursday, February 3, 2022 5:53 AM
To: DOJlawjobs (OARM) <DOJlawjobs at usdoj.gov>
Subject: Attorney and Legal Internship Vacancies at the U.S. Department of
Justice

 

Good morning,

 

Below is a list of current attorney and legal internship vacancies at the
U.S. Department of Justice. Please post on your internal sites and
distribute to any interested audience, including law student organizations
and other affinity groups. 

 

The Department of Justice places a high value on diversity of experiences
and perspectives and encourages applications from all qualified individuals
from all ethnic and racial backgrounds, veterans, LGBT individuals, and
persons with disabilities.  We welcome applications from candidates who are
interested in positively contributing to Justice and hope that you will
consider joining the dedicated public servants at the Department of Justice.
To learn more about Justice and our legal careers, please visit our website
at https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers.

 

In addition, DOJ is seeking a Chief Diversity Officer at the Senior Level
(SL). The application period is January 28, 2022 - February 11, 2022. Please
see the web link to the vacancy announcement for additional information: 

*	https://www.usajobs.gov/job/633954500 (open to the public)
*	https://www.usajobs.gov/job/633954700 (open to current and former
competitive service employees)

 


ATTORNEY VACANCIES & VOLUNTEER LEGAL INTERNSHIPS


 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=name&sort=asc>
Hiring Organization

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=title&sort=asc>
Job Title

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=field_va_locatio
n_administrative_area&sort=asc> State

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&order=changed&sort=asc
> Posted/ Updated


USAO District of Massachusetts

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/assistant-united-states-attorney-
1334> Assistant United States Attorney

Massachusetts

February 2, 2022


USAO District of Massachusetts

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/assistant-united-states-attorney-
1333> Assistant United States Attorney

Massachusetts

February 2, 2022


Criminal Division (CRM)

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/supervisory-trial-attorney-chief-
program-management-and-training-unit> Supervisory Trial Attorney (Chief,
Program Management and Training Unit)

	February 2, 2022


USAO Eastern District of Virginia

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/assistant-united-states-attorney-
1332> Assistant United States Attorney

Virginia

February 2, 2022


Executive Office for Immigration Review (EOIR)

 <https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/immigration-judge-20>
Immigration Judge

Virginia

February 1, 2022


Federal Bureau of Prisons (BOP)

 <https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/attorney-advisor-419> Attorney
Advisor

District of Columbia

February 1, 2022


National Security Division (NSD)

 <https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/trial-attorney-576> TRIAL
ATTORNEY

District of Columbia

February 1, 2022


Office of Legislative Affairs (OLA)

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/law-student-volunteer-summer-2022
-17> Law Student Volunteer - Summer 2022

District of Columbia

February 1, 2022


USAO Southern District of Texas

 <https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/ausa-148> AUSA

Texas

February 1, 2022


USAO District of Wyoming

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/assistant-united-states-attorney-
1330> Assistant United States Attorney

Wyoming

February 1, 2022


Civil Rights Division (CRT)

 <https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/attorney-adviser-21> Attorney
Adviser

District of Columbia

February 1, 2022


USAO Western District of Tennessee

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/assistant-united-states-attorney-
ausa-104> Assistant United States Attorney (AUSA)

Tennessee

January 31, 2022


USAO Western District of Texas

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/assistant-united-states-attorney-
criminal-105> Assistant United States Attorney (Criminal)

Texas

January 31, 2022


USAO District of Columbia

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/assistant-united-states-attorney-
violent-crime-and-narcotics-trafficking> Assistant United States Attorney -
Violent Crime and Narcotics Trafficking

District of Columbia

January 31, 2022


USAO Northern District of Iowa

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/law-student-volunteer-fall-2022-0
> Law Student Volunteer (Fall 2022)

Iowa

January 31, 2022


USAO Northern District of Iowa

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/law-student-volunteer-summer-2019
-15> Law Student Volunteer-Summer 2022

Iowa

January 31, 2022


USAO Eastern District of Louisiana

 
<https://www.justice.gov/usao-edla/job/assistant-united-states-attorney-fina
ncial-litigation-program-coordinator> Assistant United States Attorney
(Financial Litigation Program Coordinator)

Louisiana

January 31, 2022


USAO District of Wyoming

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/assistant-united-states-attorney-
1329> Assistant United States Attorney

Wyoming

January 31, 2022


USAO District of Wyoming

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/assistant-united-states-attorney-
1328> Assistant United States Attorney

Wyoming

January 31, 2022


USAO Southern District of Illinois

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/assistant-united-states-attorney-
1326> Assistant United States Attorney

Illinois

January 31, 2022


United States Trustee Program (USTP)

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/assistant-united-states-trustee-9
> Assistant United States Trustee

Iowa

January 31, 2022


USAO District of South Dakota

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/law-student-volunteer-summer-2022
-15> Law Student Volunteer, Summer 2022

South Dakota

January 28, 2022


USAO Eastern District of California

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/assistant-united-states-attorney-
1036> Assistant United States Attorney

California

January 28, 2022


USAO Eastern District of California

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/assistant-united-states-attorney-
1044> Assistant United States Attorney

California

January 28, 2022


USAO Eastern District of California

 
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/special-assistant-us-attorney-unc
ompensated-6> Special Assistant U.S. Attorney (Uncompensated)

California

January 28, 2022


Hiring Organization
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&page=1&order=name&sort
=asc> 

Job Title
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&page=1&order=title&sor
t=asc> 

State
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ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&page=1&order=field_va_
location_administrative_area&sort=asc> 

Posted/ Updated
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/vacancies?position=All&tid=All&practi
ce_area=All&field_va_location_administrative_area=All&page=1&order=changed&s
ort=asc> 


USAO Eastern District of California

Special Assistant U.S. Attorney (Uncompensated)
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/special-assistant-us-attorney-unc
ompensated-5> 

California

January 28, 2022


USAO Eastern District of California

Assistant United States Attorney
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/assistant-united-states-attorney-
974> 

California

January 28, 2022


Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI)

Procurement Attorney, GS-14/15 (EX)
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/procurement-attorney-gs-1415-ex> 

Alabama

January 28, 2022


USAO District of Columbia

Special Assistant United States Attorney - Uncompensated
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/special-assistant-united-states-a
ttorney-uncompensated-13> 

District of Columbia

January 28, 2022


USAO Eastern District of North Carolina

ASSISTANT UNITED STATES ATTORNEY (CRIMINAL)
<https://www.justice.gov/legal-careers/job/assistant-united-states-attorney-
criminal-106> 

North Carolina

January 28, 2022

 

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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Thu Feb  3 15:53:29 2022
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2022 15:53:29 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Diversity, Inclusion,
 and Leadership Development Director position at University of
 Oregon School of Law
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From: washingtonattorneyswithdisabilitiesassociation at googlegroups.com <washingtonattorneyswithdisabilitiesassociation at googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Jonathan Ko
Sent: Wednesday, February 2, 2022 2:10 PM
To: WashingtonAttorneyswithDisabilitiesAssociation at googlegroups.com
Subject: [WADA] Fwd: Diversity, Inclusion, and Leadership Development Director position at U of Oregon School of Law - please share


PLEASE SHARE THIS JOB OPPORTUNITY WITH YOUR MINORITY BAR ASSOCIATION NETWORKS…

Dear Colleagues:

We just posted the Director of Diversity, Inclusion, and Leadership Development position at University of Oregon School of Law and seek your help in recruiting our next teammate.  The successful candidate will play a critical role in our community, and we hope to recruit a dynamic leader for this position.

Here is a link to the posting – https://careers.uoregon.edu/en-us/job/528883/director-of-diversity-inclusion-and-leadership-development.

Thank you for helping is spread the news about this opportunity.


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Jennifer Espinola, J.D. (she/hers)
Dean of Students | School of Law

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From teresitarios22 at gmail.com  Thu Feb  3 17:29:32 2022
From: teresitarios22 at gmail.com (Teresita Rios)
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2022 12:29:32 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] LSAT accessible materials and courses
In-Reply-To: <4DF6E18B-404E-484E-BFB7-2307819B2E45@gmail.com>
References: <4DF6E18B-404E-484E-BFB7-2307819B2E45@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKM5H_34vBkiy7U72AWNweFmoVpv5JPzszKkitFB_ikSpm7hvA@mail.gmail.com>

For the LSAT I used a combination of Khan academy free study materials and
books I can buy from kindle or Ibooks. I like the Fox LSAT books and how
they explained things..
For the Logic games I made several Charts in word doc.
but used Textboxes instead of regular tables.
I also had sited family members describe charts on the books if they were
not described. But Khan academy does a good job of describing the charts on
their website.

I think those are the hardest part of the LSAT.

I took a gap year to study. and I would say apply before Christmas time or
right after it. Do not wait as applications are on a rolling basis.

Aim high, I applied to all the top 15 and then I sat with me and asked what
I wanted from the experience.
Of course a good legal education,  and strong alumni connections in the
parts of the Nation or World where you would like to practice. but I wanted
a close knit community and diversity of thought where disagreements are
faced with logic and charity.
I wanted a place where I would feel confortable feeling stupid, as I am a
first gen immigrant, not used to ligalistic words, and my dear parents are
not accademics at all. I knew it was going to be different from Undergrad
in the level of (well nerdiness).
I am also a practicing Catholic and I know that also played a large part of
why I chose Notre Dame Law School.
But you do not have to be Catholic, yet the idea of finding your vocation
in the legal field is strengthening  when facing the struggles of such a
competitive career. Finally, the constant encouragement of Being a
Different Kind of Lawyer, makes you reflect if your choices are in
furtherance of the common good as well as your own.
I do not think I could have found that encouragement of  introspection and
discernment anywhere else.

Also try to speak with professors, students and Alumni of the universities
that really catch your attention. And if you can, visit the Schools. I
applied at the end of 2019, and I was going to visit schools in 2020, but
COVID so I missed the exploring and free merch of several schools.

If you have any questions do not hesitate to reach out!
Good Luck!
Teresita



On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 12:47 AM Matthew Smith via BlindLaw <
blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Greetings!
> I am so happy to find this email listing and have a few questions to those
> that have the time to listen. I am having a hard time finding accessible
> LSAT material and was wondering if someone Could point me in the right
> direction to find some. I attempted to search through the various threads
> but could not find one that focused on the topic of LSAT prep. If possible
> could someone also provide tips or tricks when approaching the LSAT.
> lastly, is there any advice on approaching the admissions process, I know
> everyone has applied to different law schools but general advice would be
> helpful from a blind applicants perspective. I thank those that will answer
> in advance and look forward to engaging with those on other various topics
> in the future!
> _______________________________________________
> BlindLaw mailing list
> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> BlindLaw:
>
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/teresitarios22%40gmail.com
>

From blindstein at gmail.com  Thu Feb  3 21:10:25 2022
From: blindstein at gmail.com (Justin Harford)
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2022 13:10:25 -0800
Subject: [blindLaw] Civil rights complaints from non-students
Message-ID: <898C027B-685C-41FA-9394-61296ABC669E@gmail.com>

Hello

I think that I am being negatively impacted by the fact that the recreation center at the university near me is procuring inaccessible equipment. I have brought to their attention and they claim that they don't know of any, even though I have defined accessibility within a pretty broad framework. I am neither a student or staff, just a member of the recreation center. Could I file an OCR complaint?

Justin Harford (he/him/his)

program Coordinator (NCDE)

Mobility International USA (MIUSA)

132 E Broadway Suite 343

Eugene OR 97401

541-343-1284 ext 1014 (voice)

jharford at miusa.org (email)



Sent from my iPad

From syedrizvinfb at gmail.com  Thu Feb  3 21:35:40 2022
From: syedrizvinfb at gmail.com (Syed Rizvi)
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2022 16:35:40 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] LSAT accessible materials and courses
In-Reply-To: <CAKM5H_34vBkiy7U72AWNweFmoVpv5JPzszKkitFB_ikSpm7hvA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKM5H_34vBkiy7U72AWNweFmoVpv5JPzszKkitFB_ikSpm7hvA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D2FC44B6-1240-484E-8B5A-4D1B05C54A01@gmail.com>

Always more than happy to discuss anything prelaw related. Text me at 4132503523 to setup a time to speak.
SR 




 

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Dean's Distinguished Graduate

High Honors


> On Feb 3, 2022, at 12:31 PM, Teresita Rios via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> For the LSAT I used a combination of Khan academy free study materials and
> books I can buy from kindle or Ibooks. I like the Fox LSAT books and how
> they explained things..
> For the Logic games I made several Charts in word doc.
> but used Textboxes instead of regular tables.
> I also had sited family members describe charts on the books if they were
> not described. But Khan academy does a good job of describing the charts on
> their website.
> 
> I think those are the hardest part of the LSAT.
> 
> I took a gap year to study. and I would say apply before Christmas time or
> right after it. Do not wait as applications are on a rolling basis.
> 
> Aim high, I applied to all the top 15 and then I sat with me and asked what
> I wanted from the experience.
> Of course a good legal education,  and strong alumni connections in the
> parts of the Nation or World where you would like to practice. but I wanted
> a close knit community and diversity of thought where disagreements are
> faced with logic and charity.
> I wanted a place where I would feel confortable feeling stupid, as I am a
> first gen immigrant, not used to ligalistic words, and my dear parents are
> not accademics at all. I knew it was going to be different from Undergrad
> in the level of (well nerdiness).
> I am also a practicing Catholic and I know that also played a large part of
> why I chose Notre Dame Law School.
> But you do not have to be Catholic, yet the idea of finding your vocation
> in the legal field is strengthening  when facing the struggles of such a
> competitive career. Finally, the constant encouragement of Being a
> Different Kind of Lawyer, makes you reflect if your choices are in
> furtherance of the common good as well as your own.
> I do not think I could have found that encouragement of  introspection and
> discernment anywhere else.
> 
> Also try to speak with professors, students and Alumni of the universities
> that really catch your attention. And if you can, visit the Schools. I
> applied at the end of 2019, and I was going to visit schools in 2020, but
> COVID so I missed the exploring and free merch of several schools.
> 
> If you have any questions do not hesitate to reach out!
> Good Luck!
> Teresita
> 
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 12:47 AM Matthew Smith via BlindLaw <
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Greetings!
>> I am so happy to find this email listing and have a few questions to those
>> that have the time to listen. I am having a hard time finding accessible
>> LSAT material and was wondering if someone Could point me in the right
>> direction to find some. I attempted to search through the various threads
>> but could not find one that focused on the topic of LSAT prep. If possible
>> could someone also provide tips or tricks when approaching the LSAT.
>> lastly, is there any advice on approaching the admissions process, I know
>> everyone has applied to different law schools but general advice would be
>> helpful from a blind applicants perspective. I thank those that will answer
>> in advance and look forward to engaging with those on other various topics
>> in the future!
>> _______________________________________________
>> BlindLaw mailing list
>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> BlindLaw:
>> 
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/teresitarios22%40gmail.com
>> 
> _______________________________________________
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From s.lovewisdom at gmail.com  Thu Feb  3 23:31:34 2022
From: s.lovewisdom at gmail.com (wisdom f)
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2022 18:31:34 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Discrimination case Orlando Florida
Message-ID: <F1A28EA2-52F2-4490-B55B-2D9E22338D61@gmail.com>

Hello,
Looking for an attorney to help with discrimination case in Orlando Florida. Please would you have any recommendations, it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you so much.

Sent from my iPhone

From sanho817 at gmail.com  Thu Feb  3 23:39:15 2022
From: sanho817 at gmail.com (Sanho Steele-Louchart)
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2022 17:39:15 -0600
Subject: [blindLaw] Discrimination case Orlando Florida
In-Reply-To: <F1A28EA2-52F2-4490-B55B-2D9E22338D61@gmail.com>
References: <F1A28EA2-52F2-4490-B55B-2D9E22338D61@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAL6jpey9t45bZeLzj9UPoM-iPgXM=JDw3wwyi4QjasQMYZKKPw@mail.gmail.com>

Usually that isn't what this list is used for. Here's one directory
you may find useful.
https://lawyers.findlaw.com/lawyer/statepractice/florida/orlando

On 2/3/22, wisdom f via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello,
> Looking for an attorney to help with discrimination case in Orlando Florida.
> Please would you have any recommendations, it would be greatly appreciated.
> Thank you so much.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From sanho817 at gmail.com  Fri Feb  4 11:17:03 2022
From: sanho817 at gmail.com (Sanho Steele-Louchart)
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2022 05:17:03 -0600
Subject: [blindLaw] Page Numbers
Message-ID: <CAL6jpexcCgKy91U=P3yQHBirjPp6DE4TJEdvn05TiFdtF0MUaw@mail.gmail.com>

All,

Any tips for referencing the page numbers of medical records and other
large hardcopy documents in court?

Warmth,
Sanho


From doyouknowjesus at austin.rr.com  Sat Feb  5 12:16:38 2022
From: doyouknowjesus at austin.rr.com (Kimberly Cannon)
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2022 06:16:38 -0600
Subject: [blindLaw] Civil rights complaints from non-students
In-Reply-To: <898C027B-685C-41FA-9394-61296ABC669E@gmail.com>
References: <898C027B-685C-41FA-9394-61296ABC669E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <030001d81a8a$39f9f080$adedd180$@austin.rr.com>

Hi friends, I do not hold a degree nor any legal claim to work as an
attorney, but I wanted to chime in on this conversations from the
perspective of one with experience and knowledge on this subject. Here is my
humble input:
1. You do not have to identify as a student nor staff person to file a
complaint.
2. The mere fact that you are a registered patron and in-user of the
facility gives you legal right to present your concern.
3. You reserve the right to file a complaint based on the protected class
(whatever that might be) that prevents you in ways your counter parts are
not restricted using the same or similar resources based on the nature of
their purpose. Note: The University however can claim it is a private
institution and your claim may be dismissed on permissible purpose. In other
words, the university might be able to state they allow you to use the
facility as a courtesy which implies you might have less clout since you are
not a student or staff of the institution. My adice, no matter the
opposition, pursue what you believe in as it might be the game-changer to
assist so many others in the future.


-----Original Message-----
From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Justin Harford via
BlindLaw
Sent: Thursday, February 3, 2022 3:10 PM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Cc: Justin Harford <blindstein at gmail.com>
Subject: [blindLaw] Civil rights complaints from non-students

Hello

I think that I am being negatively impacted by the fact that the recreation
center at the university near me is procuring inaccessible equipment. I have
brought to their attention and they claim that they don't know of any, even
though I have defined accessibility within a pretty broad framework. I am
neither a student or staff, just a member of the recreation center. Could I
file an OCR complaint?

Justin Harford (he/him/his)

program Coordinator (NCDE)

Mobility International USA (MIUSA)

132 E Broadway Suite 343

Eugene OR 97401

541-343-1284 ext 1014 (voice)

jharford at miusa.org (email)



Sent from my iPad
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From sanho817 at gmail.com  Sat Feb  5 12:44:03 2022
From: sanho817 at gmail.com (Sanho Steele-Louchart)
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2022 06:44:03 -0600
Subject: [blindLaw] Civil rights complaints from non-students
In-Reply-To: <030001d81a8a$39f9f080$adedd180$@austin.rr.com>
References: <898C027B-685C-41FA-9394-61296ABC669E@gmail.com>
 <030001d81a8a$39f9f080$adedd180$@austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <CAL6jpewgVwA342Z7YyFSw+B5AFUtqbiSQYsGju8eSpKpqeYUNQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

There are several reasons why this is not the best forum to discuss a
potential case. If you're interested in legal advice, I would strongly
recommend seeking counsel from your state's disability rights
organization or a similar entity.

As a practical matter, it might be worth reaching out to the
university to discuss making the equipment accessible using things
like bump dots before filing a complaint that the machines don't talk,
etcetera.



On 2/5/22, Kimberly Cannon via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi friends, I do not hold a degree nor any legal claim to work as an
> attorney, but I wanted to chime in on this conversations from the
> perspective of one with experience and knowledge on this subject. Here is
> my
> humble input:
> 1. You do not have to identify as a student nor staff person to file a
> complaint.
> 2. The mere fact that you are a registered patron and in-user of the
> facility gives you legal right to present your concern.
> 3. You reserve the right to file a complaint based on the protected class
> (whatever that might be) that prevents you in ways your counter parts are
> not restricted using the same or similar resources based on the nature of
> their purpose. Note: The University however can claim it is a private
> institution and your claim may be dismissed on permissible purpose. In
> other
> words, the university might be able to state they allow you to use the
> facility as a courtesy which implies you might have less clout since you
> are
> not a student or staff of the institution. My adice, no matter the
> opposition, pursue what you believe in as it might be the game-changer to
> assist so many others in the future.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Justin Harford
> via
> BlindLaw
> Sent: Thursday, February 3, 2022 3:10 PM
> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Justin Harford <blindstein at gmail.com>
> Subject: [blindLaw] Civil rights complaints from non-students
>
> Hello
>
> I think that I am being negatively impacted by the fact that the recreation
> center at the university near me is procuring inaccessible equipment. I
> have
> brought to their attention and they claim that they don't know of any, even
> though I have defined accessibility within a pretty broad framework. I am
> neither a student or staff, just a member of the recreation center. Could I
> file an OCR complaint?
>
> Justin Harford (he/him/his)
>
> program Coordinator (NCDE)
>
> Mobility International USA (MIUSA)
>
> 132 E Broadway Suite 343
>
> Eugene OR 97401
>
> 541-343-1284 ext 1014 (voice)
>
> jharford at miusa.org (email)
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
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From mrallman116 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  8 14:08:23 2022
From: mrallman116 at gmail.com (mrallman116 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 09:08:23 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Accessibility of Casetext
Message-ID: <FBE08ACF-8038-4F83-BBCA-CFB5A3870A64@gmail.com>

Good morning. I do not post on this list often and I am sorry if this particular question has been explored before. Can anybody tell me about your experiences recently with Case text?

 My understanding in the past is that it was a pretty accessible  legal research database but as I explore it I find quite a few buttons that appear to be unlabeled. I am using jaws 2022 and Microsoft edge. I would welcome experiences and feedback from others or any tips and tricks you suggest about navigating some of those issues. Thank you.
Melissa Allman Sent from my iPhone

From tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  8 14:20:23 2022
From: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com (Tai Tomasi)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 09:20:23 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Accessibility of Casetext
In-Reply-To: <FBE08ACF-8038-4F83-BBCA-CFB5A3870A64@gmail.com>
References: <FBE08ACF-8038-4F83-BBCA-CFB5A3870A64@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5C784CE4-5F04-44D9-AD9B-EEE8496D551A@gmail.com>

I haven’t used this resource extensively, but I have done several searches with it using Google Chrome and Jaws 2022. I have found it fairly accessible. I will have to login today to see if I encounter any of these unlabeled buttons. 

Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.
Email: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical errors.

> On Feb 8, 2022, at 9:09 AM, Melissa Allman via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Good morning. I do not post on this list often and I am sorry if this particular question has been explored before. Can anybody tell me about your experiences recently with Case text?
> 
> My understanding in the past is that it was a pretty accessible  legal research database but as I explore it I find quite a few buttons that appear to be unlabeled. I am using jaws 2022 and Microsoft edge. I would welcome experiences and feedback from others or any tips and tricks you suggest about navigating some of those issues. Thank you.
> Melissa Allman Sent from my iPhone
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From lmendez716 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  8 14:40:52 2022
From: lmendez716 at gmail.com (lmendez716 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 09:40:52 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Accessibility of Casetext
In-Reply-To: <5C784CE4-5F04-44D9-AD9B-EEE8496D551A@gmail.com>
References: <FBE08ACF-8038-4F83-BBCA-CFB5A3870A64@gmail.com>
 <5C784CE4-5F04-44D9-AD9B-EEE8496D551A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003301d81cf9$df72d970$9e588c50$@gmail.com>

Good morning:

I tried Casetext  a while back but ran into access issues then so I gave up on it.  I hope that they solve the issues because it does look like a very useful resource.

Luis




-----Original Message-----
From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw
Sent: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 9:20 AM
To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Tai Tomasi <tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Accessibility of Casetext

I haven’t used this resource extensively, but I have done several searches with it using Google Chrome and Jaws 2022. I have found it fairly accessible. I will have to login today to see if I encounter any of these unlabeled buttons. 

Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.
Email: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical errors.

> On Feb 8, 2022, at 9:09 AM, Melissa Allman via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Good morning. I do not post on this list often and I am sorry if this particular question has been explored before. Can anybody tell me about your experiences recently with Case text?
> 
> My understanding in the past is that it was a pretty accessible  legal research database but as I explore it I find quite a few buttons that appear to be unlabeled. I am using jaws 2022 and Microsoft edge. I would welcome experiences and feedback from others or any tips and tricks you suggest about navigating some of those issues. Thank you.
> Melissa Allman Sent from my iPhone
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From mrallman116 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  8 15:22:36 2022
From: mrallman116 at gmail.com (mrallman116 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 10:22:36 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Accessibility of Casetext
In-Reply-To: <5C784CE4-5F04-44D9-AD9B-EEE8496D551A@gmail.com>
References: <5C784CE4-5F04-44D9-AD9B-EEE8496D551A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAA541F8-654C-49BC-A354-C6AD36E5514D@gmail.com>

I haven’t tried it with chrome yet. Thank you.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 8, 2022, at 9:21 AM, Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I haven’t used this resource extensively, but I have done several searches with it using Google Chrome and Jaws 2022. I have found it fairly accessible. I will have to login today to see if I encounter any of these unlabeled buttons. 
> 
> Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.
> Email: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com
> Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical errors.
> 
>> On Feb 8, 2022, at 9:09 AM, Melissa Allman via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Good morning. I do not post on this list often and I am sorry if this particular question has been explored before. Can anybody tell me about your experiences recently with Case text?
>> 
>> My understanding in the past is that it was a pretty accessible  legal research database but as I explore it I find quite a few buttons that appear to be unlabeled. I am using jaws 2022 and Microsoft edge. I would welcome experiences and feedback from others or any tips and tricks you suggest about navigating some of those issues. Thank you.
>> Melissa Allman Sent from my iPhone
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From mrallman116 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  8 16:33:10 2022
From: mrallman116 at gmail.com (mrallman116 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 11:33:10 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Accessibility of Casetext
In-Reply-To: <003301d81cf9$df72d970$9e588c50$@gmail.com>
References: <003301d81cf9$df72d970$9e588c50$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1AF08C00-AAEF-492F-B808-C078F7B6FD17@gmail.com>

I sent them an email with specific issues I was able to identify concerning unlabeled buttons so we’ll see what their support people come back with. Thanks.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 8, 2022, at 9:42 AM, Luis A. Mendez via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Good morning:
> 
> I tried Casetext  a while back but ran into access issues then so I gave up on it.  I hope that they solve the issues because it does look like a very useful resource.
> 
> Luis
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw
> Sent: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 9:20 AM
> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Tai Tomasi <tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Accessibility of Casetext
> 
> I haven’t used this resource extensively, but I have done several searches with it using Google Chrome and Jaws 2022. I have found it fairly accessible. I will have to login today to see if I encounter any of these unlabeled buttons. 
> 
> Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.
> Email: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com
> Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical errors.
> 
>> On Feb 8, 2022, at 9:09 AM, Melissa Allman via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Good morning. I do not post on this list often and I am sorry if this particular question has been explored before. Can anybody tell me about your experiences recently with Case text?
>> 
>> My understanding in the past is that it was a pretty accessible  legal research database but as I explore it I find quite a few buttons that appear to be unlabeled. I am using jaws 2022 and Microsoft edge. I would welcome experiences and feedback from others or any tips and tricks you suggest about navigating some of those issues. Thank you.
>> Melissa Allman Sent from my iPhone
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From michael.mcglashon at comcast.net  Tue Feb  8 16:36:32 2022
From: michael.mcglashon at comcast.net (MIKE MCGLASHON)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 11:36:32 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Accessibility of Casetext
In-Reply-To: <1AF08C00-AAEF-492F-B808-C078F7B6FD17@gmail.com>
References: <003301d81cf9$df72d970$9e588c50$@gmail.com>
 <1AF08C00-AAEF-492F-B808-C078F7B6FD17@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <03ef01d81d0a$0a7afb60$1f70f220$@comcast.net>

Is this casetext thing free? Or,
Do I have to pay in order to play with it?
Or better yet,
Do I need to be a lawyer to get in?
Elsewise I'll play with it to see what it does?
What is the actual link for it?


Please advise as you like.

Mike M.

Mike mcglashon
Email: Michael.mcglashon at comcast.net
Ph: 618 783 9331

-----Original Message-----
From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Melissa Allman via BlindLaw
Sent: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 11:33 AM
To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Cc: mrallman116 at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Accessibility of Casetext

I sent them an email with specific issues I was able to identify concerning unlabeled buttons so we’ll see what their support people come back with. Thanks.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 8, 2022, at 9:42 AM, Luis A. Mendez via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Good morning:
> 
> I tried Casetext  a while back but ran into access issues then so I gave up on it.  I hope that they solve the issues because it does look like a very useful resource.
> 
> Luis
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw
> Sent: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 9:20 AM
> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Tai Tomasi <tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Accessibility of Casetext
> 
> I haven’t used this resource extensively, but I have done several searches with it using Google Chrome and Jaws 2022. I have found it fairly accessible. I will have to login today to see if I encounter any of these unlabeled buttons. 
> 
> Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.
> Email: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com
> Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical errors.
> 
>> On Feb 8, 2022, at 9:09 AM, Melissa Allman via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Good morning. I do not post on this list often and I am sorry if this particular question has been explored before. Can anybody tell me about your experiences recently with Case text?
>> 
>> My understanding in the past is that it was a pretty accessible  legal research database but as I explore it I find quite a few buttons that appear to be unlabeled. I am using jaws 2022 and Microsoft edge. I would welcome experiences and feedback from others or any tips and tricks you suggest about navigating some of those issues. Thank you.
>> Melissa Allman Sent from my iPhone
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From syedrizvinfb at gmail.com  Tue Feb  8 17:00:47 2022
From: syedrizvinfb at gmail.com (Syed Rizvi)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 12:00:47 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Project on History of the Blind in Law, Guidance Needed
Message-ID: <CAAqtePQMJGRC_B5+rxAfuvrrmwrc26EbtVkcA7wu1d_-Xz-zAw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,



I am working on publishing a paper in the journal of American legal
education with one of my professors. I think the prevalence of blind people
in the legal pedagogy is uniquely interesting and am seeking resources that
allude to the causal factors for this trend. I would greatly appreciate any
guidance any of you may be able to provide.



Gratefully,

Syed







--



Syed Mahmud Rizvi



SyedRizviNFB at gmail.com

(413)250-3523



Harvard Law School | JD Candidate' 2024

Paul and Daisy Soros Fellow

Jacobus Tenbroek Fellow

SEO Law Fellow

Lighthouse Guild Scholar

Charles and Melva T. Owen Scholar

Rudolph Dillman Scholar



The University of Texas at Austin | BA in Government' 2020

Dean's Distinguished Graduate

High Honors

From sanho817 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  8 17:04:16 2022
From: sanho817 at gmail.com (Sanho Steele-Louchart)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 11:04:16 -0600
Subject: [blindLaw] Project on History of the Blind in Law,
 Guidance Needed
In-Reply-To: <CAAqtePQMJGRC_B5+rxAfuvrrmwrc26EbtVkcA7wu1d_-Xz-zAw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAqtePQMJGRC_B5+rxAfuvrrmwrc26EbtVkcA7wu1d_-Xz-zAw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAL6jpewt-LwpfLeRas9SqdpY0iHOMqz_T1RAVn2shKEKEA1j_g@mail.gmail.com>

Syed,

Similarly, do you know how many blind attorneys there are in the US?
I've never seen any data on the subject.

On 2/8/22, Syed Rizvi via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> I am working on publishing a paper in the journal of American legal
> education with one of my professors. I think the prevalence of blind people
> in the legal pedagogy is uniquely interesting and am seeking resources that
> allude to the causal factors for this trend. I would greatly appreciate any
> guidance any of you may be able to provide.
>
>
>
> Gratefully,
>
> Syed
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
>
>
> Syed Mahmud Rizvi
>
>
>
> SyedRizviNFB at gmail.com
>
> (413)250-3523
>
>
>
> Harvard Law School | JD Candidate' 2024
>
> Paul and Daisy Soros Fellow
>
> Jacobus Tenbroek Fellow
>
> SEO Law Fellow
>
> Lighthouse Guild Scholar
>
> Charles and Melva T. Owen Scholar
>
> Rudolph Dillman Scholar
>
>
>
> The University of Texas at Austin | BA in Government' 2020
>
> Dean's Distinguished Graduate
>
> High Honors
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From mrallman116 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  8 18:08:04 2022
From: mrallman116 at gmail.com (mrallman116 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 13:08:04 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Accessibility of Casetext
In-Reply-To: <03ef01d81d0a$0a7afb60$1f70f220$@comcast.net>
References: <03ef01d81d0a$0a7afb60$1f70f220$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <238CE14F-CABF-44F0-A09A-A0A7807F0B67@gmail.com>

You just go to casetext.com

 And sign up for a 14 day free trial to play with it.  they don’t do anything to really verify that you’re a lawyer from what I can tell. Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 8, 2022, at 11:38 AM, MIKE MCGLASHON via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Is this casetext thing free? Or,
> Do I have to pay in order to play with it?
> Or better yet,
> Do I need to be a lawyer to get in?
> Elsewise I'll play with it to see what it does?
> What is the actual link for it?
> 
> 
> Please advise as you like.
> 
> Mike M.
> 
> Mike mcglashon
> Email: Michael.mcglashon at comcast.net
> Ph: 618 783 9331
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Melissa Allman via BlindLaw
> Sent: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 11:33 AM
> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: mrallman116 at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Accessibility of Casetext
> 
> I sent them an email with specific issues I was able to identify concerning unlabeled buttons so we’ll see what their support people come back with. Thanks.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 8, 2022, at 9:42 AM, Luis A. Mendez via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Good morning:
>> 
>> I tried Casetext  a while back but ran into access issues then so I gave up on it.  I hope that they solve the issues because it does look like a very useful resource.
>> 
>> Luis
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 9:20 AM
>> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Tai Tomasi <tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Accessibility of Casetext
>> 
>> I haven’t used this resource extensively, but I have done several searches with it using Google Chrome and Jaws 2022. I have found it fairly accessible. I will have to login today to see if I encounter any of these unlabeled buttons. 
>> 
>> Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.
>> Email: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com
>> Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical errors.
>> 
>>>> On Feb 8, 2022, at 9:09 AM, Melissa Allman via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good morning. I do not post on this list often and I am sorry if this particular question has been explored before. Can anybody tell me about your experiences recently with Case text?
>>> 
>>> My understanding in the past is that it was a pretty accessible  legal research database but as I explore it I find quite a few buttons that appear to be unlabeled. I am using jaws 2022 and Microsoft edge. I would welcome experiences and feedback from others or any tips and tricks you suggest about navigating some of those issues. Thank you.
>>> Melissa Allman Sent from my iPhone
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> BlindLaw mailing list
>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Tue Feb  8 21:22:41 2022
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 21:22:41 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] U.S. Department of Justice Attorney Vacancies
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From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com  Wed Feb  9 10:18:50 2022
From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj)
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2022 15:48:50 +0530
Subject: [blindLaw] questions about accessing suggestions in Google Docs
 with JAWS
In-Reply-To: <D2759D70-9996-4C30-A865-37E8BD77F2CF@gmail.com>
References: <6770FA42-930B-493A-BC48-EA1BB8F622A3@gmail.com>
 <D2759D70-9996-4C30-A865-37E8BD77F2CF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADFycPbREwXSTTSGanwDZUmWyL_YWMEgrhLHrtnyb=aqDUvy2w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

So I have found a workaround, drawing on Aine's suggestion. This is with
JAWS 2021. When I press alt+/ and key in preview, it gives an option called
'preview accept all'.  You then have to copy-paste the text into a Word
document to view the version with all changes accepted. So there's no way
to view the document in Docs itself, with all suggestions accepted.

Are others facing this problem also? If so, I'll report it to Google.

Warmly,
Rahul



On Tue, 25 Jan 2022 at 23:21, Áine Kelly-Costello via BlindLaw <
blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Google docs does have a preview option with suggestions accepted, if you
> press alt+/ to get to the search bar and then start typing preeview, it
> should come up I think (I'm not in front of my computer just now). You
> can't do any editing while in that view but I imagine you may be able to
> select  text, copy and paste it somewhere else for easier reading.
>
> > On 25/01/2022, at 6:41 PM, Justin Harford via BlindLaw <
> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hello
> >
> > I might handle this in a couple ways. But I warn you that I use
> nonvisual desktop access.
> >
> > Go to the tools menu, where you can find the option to review suggested
> edits. Press enter on that in a dialogue opens. Tab until you find the
> button that says except all suggestions and press enter on that.
> >
> > Another option is to review the suggested edits in the email that
> usually gets sent to your Gmail account. Each suggested edit is prefaced
> with a heading tag, and I think it's a little bit more clear to see what
> the person is doing.
> >
> > I hope that is useful.
> >
> > Justin
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> >> On Jan 24, 2022, at 11:56 PM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw <
> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Everyone,
> >>
> >> As you are aware, many people collaborate on documents using Google Docs
> >> now. When dealing with 'suggestions' that others have made, I face the
> >> following difficulty. JAWS indicates that a particular portion of text
> >> forms a suggestion, by saying 'suggestion start' before the start of
> that
> >> text and 'suggestion end' when the text ends. But it does not report
> >> whether the suggested text has been inserted or deleted. How can one
> make
> >> out this information?
> >>
> >> Further, when some words have been deleted and some words have been
> >> inserted in a particular portion of text, it reports the entire portion
> in
> >> a very haphazard manner, such that one cannot make out what the final
> >> version actually says.
> >>
> >> In Word, the way I deal with this is by switching to the 'no markup'
> option
> >> in the review pane. Can one do something similar in Google Docs i.e.
> view
> >> the final version with all changes accepted?
> >>
> >> Finally, one possible solution would be to download the document in
> Word.
> >> But when I do this, JAWS constantly prefixes every suggestion or comment
> >> with 'rich content control'. Is there a way to stop it from saying that?
> >>
> >> Thank you.
> >>
> >> Warmly,
> >> Rahul
> >>
> >> --
> >> --
> >> Rahul Bajaj
> >> Senior Resident Fellow,
> >> Vidhi Centre for Legal Policy, New Delhi, India
> >> Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018)
> >> University of Oxford
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Vidhi Centre for Legal Policy, New Delhi, India
Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018)
University of Oxford

From tim at timeldermusic.com  Wed Feb  9 15:45:52 2022
From: tim at timeldermusic.com (tim at timeldermusic.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2022 07:45:52 -0800
Subject: [blindLaw] Accessibility of Casetext
In-Reply-To: <CAA541F8-654C-49BC-A354-C6AD36E5514D@gmail.com>
References: <5C784CE4-5F04-44D9-AD9B-EEE8496D551A@gmail.com>
 <CAA541F8-654C-49BC-A354-C6AD36E5514D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006801d81dcc$1e9c18f0$5bd44ad0$@timeldermusic.com>

Hey All,

Note that the CEO of Casetext joined the NABL meeting last summer.  I don't know if the below promotional link is still good, but folks might try it out.  While they still have work to do on accessibility items, much of the functionality is usable.  More importantly, they are aware of the issue and open to fixing items.  Be sure to send them where those unlabeled buttons are so they can fix them.  I strongly encourage us to support this much needed challenger to the Westlaw/Lexis duopoly.  

I wanted to send along some materials for the members:
1.	For members who are interested in trying our products, visit https://casetext.com/nabl/
2.	We are offering 30% off on Casetext Research exclusively for NABL members. For members who want to access the discount, use this link.
Thanks again for the opportunity and don't hesitate to reach out if you have any questions.

Thanks,
Rukmee



-----Original Message-----
From: mrallman116 at gmail.com <mrallman116 at gmail.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 7:23 AM
To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Accessibility of Casetext

I haven’t tried it with chrome yet. Thank you.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 8, 2022, at 9:21 AM, Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I haven’t used this resource extensively, but I have done several searches with it using Google Chrome and Jaws 2022. I have found it fairly accessible. I will have to login today to see if I encounter any of these unlabeled buttons. 
> 
> Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.
> Email: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com
> Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical errors.
> 
>> On Feb 8, 2022, at 9:09 AM, Melissa Allman via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Good morning. I do not post on this list often and I am sorry if this particular question has been explored before. Can anybody tell me about your experiences recently with Case text?
>> 
>> My understanding in the past is that it was a pretty accessible  legal research database but as I explore it I find quite a few buttons that appear to be unlabeled. I am using jaws 2022 and Microsoft edge. I would welcome experiences and feedback from others or any tips and tricks you suggest about navigating some of those issues. Thank you.
>> Melissa Allman Sent from my iPhone
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From mrallman116 at gmail.com  Wed Feb  9 16:14:55 2022
From: mrallman116 at gmail.com (mrallman116 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2022 11:14:55 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Accessibility of Casetext
In-Reply-To: <006801d81dcc$1e9c18f0$5bd44ad0$@timeldermusic.com>
References: <006801d81dcc$1e9c18f0$5bd44ad0$@timeldermusic.com>
Message-ID: <F0B7A5AB-B764-423B-9DBB-40D29120F0ED@gmail.com>

Thanks Tim. I have gotten a very professional and interested response from them about accessibility issues. They are interested and willing to work on them so we will see what happens. I was able to point out some specific buttons for them to work on thus far. Thanks everybody.
Melissa

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 9, 2022, at 10:45 AM, tim at timeldermusic.com wrote:
> 
> Hey All,
> 
> Note that the CEO of Casetext joined the NABL meeting last summer.  I don't know if the below promotional link is still good, but folks might try it out.  While they still have work to do on accessibility items, much of the functionality is usable.  More importantly, they are aware of the issue and open to fixing items.  Be sure to send them where those unlabeled buttons are so they can fix them.  I strongly encourage us to support this much needed challenger to the Westlaw/Lexis duopoly.  
> 
> I wanted to send along some materials for the members:
> 1.    For members who are interested in trying our products, visit https://casetext.com/nabl/
> 2.    We are offering 30% off on Casetext Research exclusively for NABL members. For members who want to access the discount, use this link.
> Thanks again for the opportunity and don't hesitate to reach out if you have any questions.
> 
> Thanks,
> Rukmee
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mrallman116 at gmail.com <mrallman116 at gmail.com> 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 7:23 AM
> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Accessibility of Casetext
> 
> I haven’t tried it with chrome yet. Thank you.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 8, 2022, at 9:21 AM, Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I haven’t used this resource extensively, but I have done several searches with it using Google Chrome and Jaws 2022. I have found it fairly accessible. I will have to login today to see if I encounter any of these unlabeled buttons. 
>> 
>> Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.
>> Email: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com
>> Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical errors.
>> 
>>>> On Feb 8, 2022, at 9:09 AM, Melissa Allman via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good morning. I do not post on this list often and I am sorry if this particular question has been explored before. Can anybody tell me about your experiences recently with Case text?
>>> 
>>> My understanding in the past is that it was a pretty accessible  legal research database but as I explore it I find quite a few buttons that appear to be unlabeled. I am using jaws 2022 and Microsoft edge. I would welcome experiences and feedback from others or any tips and tricks you suggest about navigating some of those issues. Thank you.
>>> Melissa Allman Sent from my iPhone
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> BlindLaw mailing list
>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/tai.tomasi8%40gmail.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> BlindLaw mailing list
>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrallman116%40gmail.com
> 
> 
> 


From laurenbishop96 at icloud.com  Thu Feb 10 03:46:58 2022
From: laurenbishop96 at icloud.com (Lauren Bishop)
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2022 22:46:58 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Preparing for and taking notes on cross examinations
Message-ID: <BF7AB66D-8DE0-45A6-A4D4-0F222EDC65B2@icloud.com>

Hi all,
I am currently taking a trial advocacy course, and I have to do cross examinations next week. The professor mentioned using some sort of trial paper for students to take notes while the other side is examining the witness. As blind people, what are some methods that you have used to do this? I am a screen reader user, and I can’t read large print. 
Thanks,
Lauren

Sent from my iPhone

From laurenbishop96 at icloud.com  Thu Feb 10 03:49:30 2022
From: laurenbishop96 at icloud.com (Lauren Bishop)
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2022 22:49:30 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Preparing for and taking notes on cross examinations
In-Reply-To: <BF7AB66D-8DE0-45A6-A4D4-0F222EDC65B2@icloud.com>
References: <BF7AB66D-8DE0-45A6-A4D4-0F222EDC65B2@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <CEA716E3-C286-4117-A101-17A5E3C8DF02@icloud.com>

I forgot to mention that I have a braille display, and I have it always connected to my computer through Bluetooth so I can move around the quart room and still have my braille display. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 9, 2022, at 10:48 PM, Lauren Bishop via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I am currently taking a trial advocacy course, and I have to do cross examinations next week. The professor mentioned using some sort of trial paper for students to take notes while the other side is examining the witness. As blind people, what are some methods that you have used to do this? I am a screen reader user, and I can’t read large print. 
> Thanks,
> Lauren
> 
> Sent from my iPhone


From rodalcidonis at gmail.com  Thu Feb 10 03:59:36 2022
From: rodalcidonis at gmail.com (rodalcidonis at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2022 22:59:36 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Preparing for and taking notes on cross examinations
In-Reply-To: <CEA716E3-C286-4117-A101-17A5E3C8DF02@icloud.com>
References: <BF7AB66D-8DE0-45A6-A4D4-0F222EDC65B2@icloud.com>
 <CEA716E3-C286-4117-A101-17A5E3C8DF02@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <000401d81e32$9ef7d5f0$dce781d0$@gmail.com>

Have you tried the One Note app on windows? That would be one way to go. When I was practicing law, I used both One Note and an app called Keynote, which was similar to One Note. Very powerful notetaking solutions.

A Bluetooth Braille Display is way to go for the reasons you described.


Rod,



Rod Alcidonis, Esq.

-----Original Message-----
From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Lauren Bishop via BlindLaw
Sent: Wednesday, February 9, 2022 10:50 PM
To: Lauren Bishop via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Lauren Bishop <laurenbishop96 at icloud.com>
Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Preparing for and taking notes on cross examinations

I forgot to mention that I have a braille display, and I have it always connected to my computer through Bluetooth so I can move around the quart room and still have my braille display. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 9, 2022, at 10:48 PM, Lauren Bishop via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I am currently taking a trial advocacy course, and I have to do cross examinations next week. The professor mentioned using some sort of trial paper for students to take notes while the other side is examining the witness. As blind people, what are some methods that you have used to do this? I am a screen reader user, and I can’t read large print. 
> Thanks,
> Lauren
> 
> Sent from my iPhone

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From NSingh at cov.com  Thu Feb 10 04:10:01 2022
From: NSingh at cov.com (Singh, Nandini)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 04:10:01 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Preparing for and taking notes on cross examinations
In-Reply-To: <CEA716E3-C286-4117-A101-17A5E3C8DF02@icloud.com>
References: <BF7AB66D-8DE0-45A6-A4D4-0F222EDC65B2@icloud.com>
 <CEA716E3-C286-4117-A101-17A5E3C8DF02@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <2776909a16dd4fb99c54fbdb7aebb649@CBIvEX11EUS.cov.com>

While I have never conducted a cross in real life, I completed trial advocacy training at my firm. If I recall, I took notes using a Braille note-taker. You could probably do the same with your Braille display; turn off speech, so you are not distracted, unless you can process two streams of audio well. I cannot.

The other component to consider is building out your cross outline. You should be able to anticipate a large part of what opposing counsel will ask during its direct examination. The notes you take should reflect what the witness actually said, along with any questions that you did not already consider for the cross outline.

You also want to be ready with exhibits, quotes, and page numbers. For training, do not worry about the last one so much. You can read aloud the relevant passage to the witness and continue with the questioning.

-----Original Message-----
From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Lauren Bishop via BlindLaw
Sent: Wednesday, February 9, 2022 10:50 PM
To: Lauren Bishop via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Lauren Bishop <laurenbishop96 at icloud.com>
Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Preparing for and taking notes on cross examinations

[EXTERNAL]

I forgot to mention that I have a braille display, and I have it always connected to my computer through Bluetooth so I can move around the quart room and still have my braille display.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 9, 2022, at 10:48 PM, Lauren Bishop via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> I am currently taking a trial advocacy course, and I have to do cross examinations next week. The professor mentioned using some sort of trial paper for students to take notes while the other side is examining the witness. As blind people, what are some methods that you have used to do this? I am a screen reader user, and I can’t read large print.
> Thanks,
> Lauren
>
> Sent from my iPhone

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From sanho817 at gmail.com  Thu Feb 10 12:05:38 2022
From: sanho817 at gmail.com (Sanho Steele-Louchart)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 06:05:38 -0600
Subject: [blindLaw] Preparing for and taking notes on cross examinations
In-Reply-To: <2776909a16dd4fb99c54fbdb7aebb649@CBIvEX11EUS.cov.com>
References: <BF7AB66D-8DE0-45A6-A4D4-0F222EDC65B2@icloud.com>
 <CEA716E3-C286-4117-A101-17A5E3C8DF02@icloud.com>
 <2776909a16dd4fb99c54fbdb7aebb649@CBIvEX11EUS.cov.com>
Message-ID: <CAL6jpew2bKMvLwc0QjOJ-O6XYJxF7TZ18vjDR+jLEv+0M6+i8g@mail.gmail.com>

Good morning,

I've just private messaged you my notes for direct. I think I'd
hammered them out so much by that point that cross was intuitive to
me. Having speech or braille was key, as was remembering the rule
about leading questions. You could use my notes as a template while
adding statements like "isn't it true that..." and omitting the
introductory questions that would already be established in the
record.

Sanho

On 2/9/22, Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> While I have never conducted a cross in real life, I completed trial
> advocacy training at my firm. If I recall, I took notes using a Braille
> note-taker. You could probably do the same with your Braille display; turn
> off speech, so you are not distracted, unless you can process two streams of
> audio well. I cannot.
>
> The other component to consider is building out your cross outline. You
> should be able to anticipate a large part of what opposing counsel will ask
> during its direct examination. The notes you take should reflect what the
> witness actually said, along with any questions that you did not already
> consider for the cross outline.
>
> You also want to be ready with exhibits, quotes, and page numbers. For
> training, do not worry about the last one so much. You can read aloud the
> relevant passage to the witness and continue with the questioning.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Lauren Bishop via
> BlindLaw
> Sent: Wednesday, February 9, 2022 10:50 PM
> To: Lauren Bishop via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Lauren Bishop <laurenbishop96 at icloud.com>
> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Preparing for and taking notes on cross
> examinations
>
> [EXTERNAL]
>
> I forgot to mention that I have a braille display, and I have it always
> connected to my computer through Bluetooth so I can move around the quart
> room and still have my braille display.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Feb 9, 2022, at 10:48 PM, Lauren Bishop via BlindLaw
>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>> I am currently taking a trial advocacy course, and I have to do cross
>> examinations next week. The professor mentioned using some sort of trial
>> paper for students to take notes while the other side is examining the
>> witness. As blind people, what are some methods that you have used to do
>> this? I am a screen reader user, and I can’t read large print.
>> Thanks,
>> Lauren
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>
> _______________________________________________
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He, Him, His


From sanho817 at gmail.com  Thu Feb 10 12:21:53 2022
From: sanho817 at gmail.com (Sanho Steele-Louchart)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 06:21:53 -0600
Subject: [blindLaw] Bar Prep Courses
Message-ID: <CAL6jpewHw6WJDdaLty1E2CX3-xYM1qEmGaBahnwTPhBEtSYwyg@mail.gmail.com>

All,

I need to sign up for a bar prep course ASAP. Any tips about which are
most accessible? I seem to recall one of the major three isn't.

-- 
Warmth,
Sanho
He, Him, His


From michael.mcglashon at comcast.net  Thu Feb 10 12:30:38 2022
From: michael.mcglashon at comcast.net (MIKE MCGLASHON)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 07:30:38 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Bar Prep Courses
In-Reply-To: <CAL6jpewHw6WJDdaLty1E2CX3-xYM1qEmGaBahnwTPhBEtSYwyg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAL6jpewHw6WJDdaLty1E2CX3-xYM1qEmGaBahnwTPhBEtSYwyg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <12c701d81e7a$059f02a0$10dd07e0$@comcast.net>

Try Quimbee,
I am using it now;
It costs $999 but it is really accessible with both jaws and nvda;
It is even accessible with narrator.


Please advise as you like.

Mike M.

Mike mcglashon
Email: Michael.mcglashon at comcast.net
Ph: 618 783 9331

-----Original Message-----
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Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2022 7:22 AM
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Cc: Sanho Steele-Louchart <sanho817 at gmail.com>
Subject: [blindLaw] Bar Prep Courses

All,

I need to sign up for a bar prep course ASAP. Any tips about which are most
accessible? I seem to recall one of the major three isn't.

--
Warmth,
Sanho
He, Him, His

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From rothmanjd at gmail.com  Thu Feb 10 12:33:14 2022
From: rothmanjd at gmail.com (Ronza Othman)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 07:33:14 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Bar Prep Courses
In-Reply-To: <CAL6jpewHw6WJDdaLty1E2CX3-xYM1qEmGaBahnwTPhBEtSYwyg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAL6jpewHw6WJDdaLty1E2CX3-xYM1qEmGaBahnwTPhBEtSYwyg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <028d01d81e7a$5ffae070$1ff0a150$@gmail.com>

Hi Sanho,
It's been a while since I took a bar prep course, but my experience with
Barbri was outstanding.  I also have some blind friends who recently took it
and said they had a great experience in terms of accessibility as well.  





Ronza Othman, President
National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
443-426-4110
Pronouns: she, her, hers

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Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2022 7:22 AM
To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Sanho Steele-Louchart <sanho817 at gmail.com>
Subject: [blindLaw] Bar Prep Courses

All,

I need to sign up for a bar prep course ASAP. Any tips about which are most
accessible? I seem to recall one of the major three isn't.

--
Warmth,
Sanho
He, Him, His

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From seifs at umich.edu  Thu Feb 10 12:47:01 2022
From: seifs at umich.edu (Seif-Eldeen Saqallah)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 07:47:01 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Bar Prep Courses
In-Reply-To: <028d01d81e7a$5ffae070$1ff0a150$@gmail.com>
References: <CAL6jpewHw6WJDdaLty1E2CX3-xYM1qEmGaBahnwTPhBEtSYwyg@mail.gmail.com>
 <028d01d81e7a$5ffae070$1ff0a150$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+3kOQeonbvqTgW_dUS-eesG9NicRFgbv4BFsN512FN9=rLUpw@mail.gmail.com>

I highly recommend Barbri.

For me, it was between Barbri, Kaplan, and Themis.
It may have changed, but I did not find Thmis to be accessible, though
their content is good.
Kaplan is decent.
However, Barbri, for me, was the best and better.

Contact Christina DeSimone at ADA Requests <adarequests at barbri.com>:

she was able to get me
mp4 recordigns of everything that I could download to my computer,
all the books and things in pdf/word/txt formats,
and even braille copies of some material, though it took a while and I
knew for what to ask.
Kaplan has some of that available, but I think the Barbri material is
more engaging. There is more material, though, but if you are good at
knowing what to study, you should be fine.

I highly recommend Barbri, especially as I truly valued studying from
files on my computer.

Happy to phonetalk, if needed (248-325-7091).

Sincerely,
Seif



On 2/10/22, Ronza Othman via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Sanho,
> It's been a while since I took a bar prep course, but my experience with
> Barbri was outstanding.  I also have some blind friends who recently took
> it
> and said they had a great experience in terms of accessibility as well.
>
>
>
>
>
> Ronza Othman, President
> National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
> 443-426-4110
> Pronouns: she, her, hers
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Sanho
> Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw
> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2022 7:22 AM
> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Sanho Steele-Louchart <sanho817 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [blindLaw] Bar Prep Courses
>
> All,
>
> I need to sign up for a bar prep course ASAP. Any tips about which are most
> accessible? I seem to recall one of the major three isn't.
>
> --
> Warmth,
> Sanho
> He, Him, His
>
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-- 
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(Mr.)
University of Michigan
Juris Doctor/
Masters in Middle Eastern and North African Studies
J.D/M.A Graduate | 2020

International Studies, Arabic Studies, and Judaic Studies;
Law, Justice, and Social Change
B.A | 2017

248-325-7091 | seifs at umich.edu

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From philosopher25 at gmail.com  Thu Feb 10 13:09:59 2022
From: philosopher25 at gmail.com (philosopher25 at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 08:09:59 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Bar Prep Courses
In-Reply-To: <CA+3kOQeonbvqTgW_dUS-eesG9NicRFgbv4BFsN512FN9=rLUpw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+3kOQeonbvqTgW_dUS-eesG9NicRFgbv4BFsN512FN9=rLUpw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <89D166D3-02CD-4E3B-8369-D5C7C0929772@gmail.com>

The accessibility of BARBRI‘s website is hit or miss.

 They went through an accessibility audit after being sued, but as far as I can tell, do not have an ongoing accessibility plan. They only fixed a portion of the website after weeks of complaining and finally speaking to Mike Sims, the president. His phone number is +1 (214) 932-0920 . I have heard people have success with Themis  and I’ve heard that Quimby, if accessible, follows the outlines set forth by the law examiners.let us know your experience with whatever you choose.  

BruceSexton, JD

Dictated on an accessible device. 

> On Feb 10, 2022, at 7:48 AM, Seif-Eldeen Saqallah via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I highly recommend Barbri.
> 
> For me, it was between Barbri, Kaplan, and Themis.
> It may have changed, but I did not find Thmis to be accessible, though
> their content is good.
> Kaplan is decent.
> However, Barbri, for me, was the best and better.
> 
> Contact Christina DeSimone at ADA Requests <adarequests at barbri.com>:
> 
> she was able to get me
> mp4 recordigns of everything that I could download to my computer,
> all the books and things in pdf/word/txt formats,
> and even braille copies of some material, though it took a while and I
> knew for what to ask.
> Kaplan has some of that available, but I think the Barbri material is
> more engaging. There is more material, though, but if you are good at
> knowing what to study, you should be fine.
> 
> I highly recommend Barbri, especially as I truly valued studying from
> files on my computer.
> 
> Happy to phonetalk, if needed (248-325-7091).
> 
> Sincerely,
> Seif
> 
> 
> 
>> On 2/10/22, Ronza Othman via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi Sanho,
>> It's been a while since I took a bar prep course, but my experience with
>> Barbri was outstanding.  I also have some blind friends who recently took
>> it
>> and said they had a great experience in terms of accessibility as well.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Ronza Othman, President
>> National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
>> 443-426-4110
>> Pronouns: she, her, hers
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Sanho
>> Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw
>> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2022 7:22 AM
>> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Sanho Steele-Louchart <sanho817 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [blindLaw] Bar Prep Courses
>> 
>> All,
>> 
>> I need to sign up for a bar prep course ASAP. Any tips about which are most
>> accessible? I seem to recall one of the major three isn't.
>> 
>> --
>> Warmth,
>> Sanho
>> He, Him, His
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Seif Saqallah
> (Mr.)
> University of Michigan
> Juris Doctor/
> Masters in Middle Eastern and North African Studies
> J.D/M.A Graduate | 2020
> 
> International Studies, Arabic Studies, and Judaic Studies;
> Law, Justice, and Social Change
> B.A | 2017
> 
> 248-325-7091 | seifs at umich.edu
> 
> The information in this transmittal (including attachments, if any) is
> confidential and may contain privileged information protected from
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From r.g.munro at gmail.com  Thu Feb 10 13:13:22 2022
From: r.g.munro at gmail.com (Robert Munro)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 08:13:22 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Preparing for and taking notes on cross examinations
In-Reply-To: <CEA716E3-C286-4117-A101-17A5E3C8DF02@icloud.com>
References: <CEA716E3-C286-4117-A101-17A5E3C8DF02@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <01836610-1945-4055-9494-B51276C804BC@gmail.com>

The main thing I have found with cross examination is to prepare it in advance. Write down topics you want to address as headings and or subheadings. Then move through them while you’re doing your cross examination by jumping from heading to heading in case you want to take up topics in a different order than you wrote them down originally.

As for taking notes, you might want to do that in a separate document in case you get aPerry Mason-style gift gift during the person’s testimony. You can’t count on that though. That’s why preparation is key. 

Onward!

Rob

> On Feb 9, 2022, at 22:51, Lauren Bishop via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I forgot to mention that I have a braille display, and I have it always connected to my computer through Bluetooth so I can move around the quart room and still have my braille display. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 9, 2022, at 10:48 PM, Lauren Bishop via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I am currently taking a trial advocacy course, and I have to do cross examinations next week. The professor mentioned using some sort of trial paper for students to take notes while the other side is examining the witness. As blind people, what are some methods that you have used to do this? I am a screen reader user, and I can’t read large print. 
>> Thanks,
>> Lauren
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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From laurenbishop96 at icloud.com  Thu Feb 10 13:32:44 2022
From: laurenbishop96 at icloud.com (Lauren Bishop)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 08:32:44 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Bar Prep Courses
In-Reply-To: <CA+3kOQeonbvqTgW_dUS-eesG9NicRFgbv4BFsN512FN9=rLUpw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+3kOQeonbvqTgW_dUS-eesG9NicRFgbv4BFsN512FN9=rLUpw@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi all,
I have used Barbary during school as a study aid, and I have found it to be accessible. They didn’t do the greatest job at making it accessible, but it does work   It looks like they’re working with accessible 360. I’ve also used Quimbe as a study aid, I found their good in some subjects but not in others, so I don’t know how great their bar review is. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 10, 2022, at 7:49 AM, Seif-Eldeen Saqallah via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I highly recommend Barbri.
> 
> For me, it was between Barbri, Kaplan, and Themis.
> It may have changed, but I did not find Thmis to be accessible, though
> their content is good.
> Kaplan is decent.
> However, Barbri, for me, was the best and better.
> 
> Contact Christina DeSimone at ADA Requests <adarequests at barbri.com>:
> 
> she was able to get me
> mp4 recordigns of everything that I could download to my computer,
> all the books and things in pdf/word/txt formats,
> and even braille copies of some material, though it took a while and I
> knew for what to ask.
> Kaplan has some of that available, but I think the Barbri material is
> more engaging. There is more material, though, but if you are good at
> knowing what to study, you should be fine.
> 
> I highly recommend Barbri, especially as I truly valued studying from
> files on my computer.
> 
> Happy to phonetalk, if needed (248-325-7091).
> 
> Sincerely,
> Seif
> 
> 
> 
>> On 2/10/22, Ronza Othman via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi Sanho,
>> It's been a while since I took a bar prep course, but my experience with
>> Barbri was outstanding.  I also have some blind friends who recently took
>> it
>> and said they had a great experience in terms of accessibility as well.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Ronza Othman, President
>> National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
>> 443-426-4110
>> Pronouns: she, her, hers
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Sanho
>> Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw
>> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2022 7:22 AM
>> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Sanho Steele-Louchart <sanho817 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [blindLaw] Bar Prep Courses
>> 
>> All,
>> 
>> I need to sign up for a bar prep course ASAP. Any tips about which are most
>> accessible? I seem to recall one of the major three isn't.
>> 
>> --
>> Warmth,
>> Sanho
>> He, Him, His
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> BlindLaw mailing list
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>> 
>> 
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> 
> 
> -- 
> Seif Saqallah
> (Mr.)
> University of Michigan
> Juris Doctor/
> Masters in Middle Eastern and North African Studies
> J.D/M.A Graduate | 2020
> 
> International Studies, Arabic Studies, and Judaic Studies;
> Law, Justice, and Social Change
> B.A | 2017
> 
> 248-325-7091 | seifs at umich.edu
> 
> The information in this transmittal (including attachments, if any) is
> confidential and may contain privileged information protected from
> disclosure by law. If you are not the intended recipient and have
> received this transmittal in error, please notify the sender
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From sanho817 at gmail.com  Thu Feb 10 13:39:06 2022
From: sanho817 at gmail.com (Sanho Steele-Louchart)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 07:39:06 -0600
Subject: [blindLaw] Bar Prep Courses
In-Reply-To: <AB0AFE92-DBA9-4EE6-91CB-77B239A35E9F@icloud.com>
References: <AB0AFE92-DBA9-4EE6-91CB-77B239A35E9F@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <8DE0B463-1DA0-4EED-B5D4-3F7C1689BF76@gmail.com>

All, 

Thank you! I've just enrolled with one that's come highly suggested here. I'll let people know if I have problems. 

Sanho 

> On Feb 10, 2022, at 7:34 AM, Lauren Bishop via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I have used Barbary during school as a study aid, and I have found it to be accessible. They didn’t do the greatest job at making it accessible, but it does work   It looks like they’re working with accessible 360. I’ve also used Quimbe as a study aid, I found their good in some subjects but not in others, so I don’t know how great their bar review is. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 10, 2022, at 7:49 AM, Seif-Eldeen Saqallah via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I highly recommend Barbri.
>> 
>> For me, it was between Barbri, Kaplan, and Themis.
>> It may have changed, but I did not find Thmis to be accessible, though
>> their content is good.
>> Kaplan is decent.
>> However, Barbri, for me, was the best and better.
>> 
>> Contact Christina DeSimone at ADA Requests <adarequests at barbri.com>:
>> 
>> she was able to get me
>> mp4 recordigns of everything that I could download to my computer,
>> all the books and things in pdf/word/txt formats,
>> and even braille copies of some material, though it took a while and I
>> knew for what to ask.
>> Kaplan has some of that available, but I think the Barbri material is
>> more engaging. There is more material, though, but if you are good at
>> knowing what to study, you should be fine.
>> 
>> I highly recommend Barbri, especially as I truly valued studying from
>> files on my computer.
>> 
>> Happy to phonetalk, if needed (248-325-7091).
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> Seif
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 2/10/22, Ronza Othman via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi Sanho,
>>> It's been a while since I took a bar prep course, but my experience with
>>> Barbri was outstanding.  I also have some blind friends who recently took
>>> it
>>> and said they had a great experience in terms of accessibility as well.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Ronza Othman, President
>>> National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
>>> 443-426-4110
>>> Pronouns: she, her, hers
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Sanho
>>> Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2022 7:22 AM
>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Sanho Steele-Louchart <sanho817 at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: [blindLaw] Bar Prep Courses
>>> 
>>> All,
>>> 
>>> I need to sign up for a bar prep course ASAP. Any tips about which are most
>>> accessible? I seem to recall one of the major three isn't.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Warmth,
>>> Sanho
>>> He, Him, His
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> BlindLaw mailing list
>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> BlindLaw:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rothmanjd%40gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> BlindLaw:
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>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Seif Saqallah
>> (Mr.)
>> University of Michigan
>> Juris Doctor/
>> Masters in Middle Eastern and North African Studies
>> J.D/M.A Graduate | 2020
>> 
>> International Studies, Arabic Studies, and Judaic Studies;
>> Law, Justice, and Social Change
>> B.A | 2017
>> 
>> 248-325-7091 | seifs at umich.edu
>> 
>> The information in this transmittal (including attachments, if any) is
>> confidential and may contain privileged information protected from
>> disclosure by law. If you are not the intended recipient and have
>> received this transmittal in error, please notify the sender
>> immediately by reply email, delete this communication, and destroy all
>> copies of the transmittal, including attachments. Receipt of this
>> message is not intended to waive any applicable legal privilege.
>> 
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From michael.mcglashon at comcast.net  Thu Feb 10 13:42:38 2022
From: michael.mcglashon at comcast.net (MIKE MCGLASHON)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 08:42:38 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Bar Prep Courses
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References: <AB0AFE92-DBA9-4EE6-91CB-77B239A35E9F@icloud.com>
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So,
Which one did you pick?


Please advise as you like.

Mike M.

Mike mcglashon
Email: Michael.mcglashon at comcast.net
Ph: 618 783 9331

-----Original Message-----
From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Sanho Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2022 8:39 AM
To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Sanho Steele-Louchart <sanho817 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Bar Prep Courses

All, 

Thank you! I've just enrolled with one that's come highly suggested here. I'll let people know if I have problems. 

Sanho 

> On Feb 10, 2022, at 7:34 AM, Lauren Bishop via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I have used Barbary during school as a study aid, and I have found it to be accessible. They didn’t do the greatest job at making it accessible, but it does work   It looks like they’re working with accessible 360. I’ve also used Quimbe as a study aid, I found their good in some subjects but not in others, so I don’t know how great their bar review is. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 10, 2022, at 7:49 AM, Seif-Eldeen Saqallah via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I highly recommend Barbri.
>> 
>> For me, it was between Barbri, Kaplan, and Themis.
>> It may have changed, but I did not find Thmis to be accessible, 
>> though their content is good.
>> Kaplan is decent.
>> However, Barbri, for me, was the best and better.
>> 
>> Contact Christina DeSimone at ADA Requests <adarequests at barbri.com>:
>> 
>> she was able to get me
>> mp4 recordigns of everything that I could download to my computer, 
>> all the books and things in pdf/word/txt formats, and even braille 
>> copies of some material, though it took a while and I knew for what 
>> to ask.
>> Kaplan has some of that available, but I think the Barbri material is 
>> more engaging. There is more material, though, but if you are good at 
>> knowing what to study, you should be fine.
>> 
>> I highly recommend Barbri, especially as I truly valued studying from 
>> files on my computer.
>> 
>> Happy to phonetalk, if needed (248-325-7091).
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> Seif
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 2/10/22, Ronza Othman via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi Sanho,
>>> It's been a while since I took a bar prep course, but my experience 
>>> with Barbri was outstanding.  I also have some blind friends who 
>>> recently took it and said they had a great experience in terms of 
>>> accessibility as well.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Ronza Othman, President
>>> National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
>>> 443-426-4110
>>> Pronouns: she, her, hers
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Sanho 
>>> Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2022 7:22 AM
>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Sanho Steele-Louchart <sanho817 at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: [blindLaw] Bar Prep Courses
>>> 
>>> All,
>>> 
>>> I need to sign up for a bar prep course ASAP. Any tips about which 
>>> are most accessible? I seem to recall one of the major three isn't.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Warmth,
>>> Sanho
>>> He, Him, His
>>> 
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>>> edu
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Seif Saqallah
>> (Mr.)
>> University of Michigan
>> Juris Doctor/
>> Masters in Middle Eastern and North African Studies J.D/M.A Graduate 
>> | 2020
>> 
>> International Studies, Arabic Studies, and Judaic Studies; Law, 
>> Justice, and Social Change B.A | 2017
>> 
>> 248-325-7091 | seifs at umich.edu
>> 
>> The information in this transmittal (including attachments, if any) 
>> is confidential and may contain privileged information protected from 
>> disclosure by law. If you are not the intended recipient and have 
>> received this transmittal in error, please notify the sender 
>> immediately by reply email, delete this communication, and destroy 
>> all copies of the transmittal, including attachments. Receipt of this 
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From michael.t.collins.728 at outlook.com  Thu Feb 10 13:47:21 2022
From: michael.t.collins.728 at outlook.com (Michael Collins)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 13:47:21 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Bar Prep Courses
In-Reply-To: <8DE0B463-1DA0-4EED-B5D4-3F7C1689BF76@gmail.com>
References: <AB0AFE92-DBA9-4EE6-91CB-77B239A35E9F@icloud.com>
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Late to the discussion but for those like me who mostly rely on their computer’s inbuilt accessibility features (for me: windows high contrast, word and adobe screen readers, and windows magnifier) I found Barbri materials very accessible. Their website didn’t meld well with high contrast settings but apart from that my biggest complaint was the price. 

- Michael T. Collins

> On Feb 10, 2022, at 8:40 AM, Sanho Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> All, 
> 
> Thank you! I've just enrolled with one that's come highly suggested here. I'll let people know if I have problems. 
> 
> Sanho 
> 
>> On Feb 10, 2022, at 7:34 AM, Lauren Bishop via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I have used Barbary during school as a study aid, and I have found it to be accessible. They didn’t do the greatest job at making it accessible, but it does work   It looks like they’re working with accessible 360. I’ve also used Quimbe as a study aid, I found their good in some subjects but not in others, so I don’t know how great their bar review is. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Feb 10, 2022, at 7:49 AM, Seif-Eldeen Saqallah via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I highly recommend Barbri.
>>> 
>>> For me, it was between Barbri, Kaplan, and Themis.
>>> It may have changed, but I did not find Thmis to be accessible, though
>>> their content is good.
>>> Kaplan is decent.
>>> However, Barbri, for me, was the best and better.
>>> 
>>> Contact Christina DeSimone at ADA Requests <adarequests at barbri.com>:
>>> 
>>> she was able to get me
>>> mp4 recordigns of everything that I could download to my computer,
>>> all the books and things in pdf/word/txt formats,
>>> and even braille copies of some material, though it took a while and I
>>> knew for what to ask.
>>> Kaplan has some of that available, but I think the Barbri material is
>>> more engaging. There is more material, though, but if you are good at
>>> knowing what to study, you should be fine.
>>> 
>>> I highly recommend Barbri, especially as I truly valued studying from
>>> files on my computer.
>>> 
>>> Happy to phonetalk, if needed (248-325-7091).
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Seif
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> On 2/10/22, Ronza Othman via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Hi Sanho,
>>>> It's been a while since I took a bar prep course, but my experience with
>>>> Barbri was outstanding.  I also have some blind friends who recently took
>>>> it
>>>> and said they had a great experience in terms of accessibility as well.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Ronza Othman, President
>>>> National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
>>>> 443-426-4110
>>>> Pronouns: she, her, hers
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Sanho
>>>> Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw
>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2022 7:22 AM
>>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Sanho Steele-Louchart <sanho817 at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: [blindLaw] Bar Prep Courses
>>>> 
>>>> All,
>>>> 
>>>> I need to sign up for a bar prep course ASAP. Any tips about which are most
>>>> accessible? I seem to recall one of the major three isn't.
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Warmth,
>>>> Sanho
>>>> He, Him, His
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> BlindLaw mailing list
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>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfbnet.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fblindlaw_nfbnet.org&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cdc91b294c66f4a65425c08d9ec9aee34%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637800972437616010%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=RER2Og%2FUXA%2BqiJYWHTYaAb%2FJbyxXz44lMxTYVYlMy7c%3D&amp;reserved=0
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>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Seif Saqallah
>>> (Mr.)
>>> University of Michigan
>>> Juris Doctor/
>>> Masters in Middle Eastern and North African Studies
>>> J.D/M.A Graduate | 2020
>>> 
>>> International Studies, Arabic Studies, and Judaic Studies;
>>> Law, Justice, and Social Change
>>> B.A | 2017
>>> 
>>> 248-325-7091 | seifs at umich.edu
>>> 
>>> The information in this transmittal (including attachments, if any) is
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From teresitarios22 at gmail.com  Thu Feb 10 14:51:59 2022
From: teresitarios22 at gmail.com (Teresita Rios)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 09:51:59 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Preparing for and taking notes on cross examinations
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References: <CEA716E3-C286-4117-A101-17A5E3C8DF02@icloud.com>
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I love Trial Advocacy


For cross, Robb, is correct.
I wrote my cross ahead of time, because We have to be ready to impeach the
Witness (just in case)  so having page numbers, paragraph numbers and line
numbers  from the deposition and exhibits in all of my lines is super
important.
I have several docs opened.
One was a impeachment script, another was my cross, and another was my
exhibits and depositions. (all with headings and sub headings)

I just take notes of the opposing council's direct, if they addressed
interesting arguments I have not thought of or herd before.
My notes go on the top of my prepared cross,
I also used lots of headings too.
In cross I am just, trying to admit the key facts to build my Closing
arguments. So if in the process of doing that I can bring exhibits and
deposition facts that create doubts of the statements or motives or
character of the witness, that is only extra points.

So for redirect notes. I just added a deviding line with lots of
- (dashes)
Before the dash I have my fleshed out direct outline,
With headings, and a side (finder panel displaying the headlines) so i
always have access to an outline of my notes and I can jomp to any argument
I have

under the dashes I have my re direct., notes, try to think of arguments
ahead of time. But sometimes there are some new ones and the best part is
to not tuch those. Unless  you have a good defence or fact addressing that
point.

Work on an argument for closing though. But  focus only on your strongest
facts/exhibits that rebut what was directly addressed on Cross.

I only use my computer, and a screen reader with earbuds.
--
on the other hand, if I am taking notes on the cross of my partner?
then I write it on Word and (discreetly push my computer away from me to
let them read my notes from far away. use a 28 bold font. Haha.
You can also talk to them in whispers.

Attached you will find my  impeachment script.
Use transition lines to guide the jury and some closed question starters.

Best of luck, and have fun!
Teresita Rios


On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 8:14 AM Robert Munro via BlindLaw <
blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> The main thing I have found with cross examination is to prepare it in
> advance. Write down topics you want to address as headings and or
> subheadings. Then move through them while you’re doing your cross
> examination by jumping from heading to heading in case you want to take up
> topics in a different order than you wrote them down originally.
>
> As for taking notes, you might want to do that in a separate document in
> case you get aPerry Mason-style gift gift during the person’s testimony.
> You can’t count on that though. That’s why preparation is key.
>
> Onward!
>
> Rob
>
> > On Feb 9, 2022, at 22:51, Lauren Bishop via BlindLaw <
> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > I forgot to mention that I have a braille display, and I have it always
> connected to my computer through Bluetooth so I can move around the quart
> room and still have my braille display.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Feb 9, 2022, at 10:48 PM, Lauren Bishop via BlindLaw <
> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >> I am currently taking a trial advocacy course, and I have to do cross
> examinations next week. The professor mentioned using some sort of trial
> paper for students to take notes while the other side is examining the
> witness. As blind people, what are some methods that you have used to do
> this? I am a screen reader user, and I can’t read large print.
> >> Thanks,
> >> Lauren
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >
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From NSingh at cov.com  Thu Feb 10 15:32:52 2022
From: NSingh at cov.com (Singh, Nandini)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 15:32:52 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Bar Prep Courses
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I used Barbri. For any of the inaccessible issues at the time, I and the accommodations team found good work-arounds, including use of a live human writing instructor for essay practice.

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[EXTERNAL]

All,

I need to sign up for a bar prep course ASAP. Any tips about which are
most accessible? I seem to recall one of the major three isn't.

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From laurenbishop96 at icloud.com  Thu Feb 10 15:43:12 2022
From: laurenbishop96 at icloud.com (Lauren Bishop)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 10:43:12 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Preparing for and taking notes on cross examinations
In-Reply-To: <CAKM5H_2t4P9c5u0scgM0BhuD7EcMkbJJOLMe6VnPf6y98VfK3A@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi all,
I thank you for all of your responses. I definitely plan to have an outline of course, I just wanted to know how you guys added to it. This all seems very helpful, and I plan to play around with one note and see if that is a good solution also. 
Thanks,
Lauren

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 10, 2022, at 9:53 AM, Teresita Rios via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I love Trial Advocacy
> 
> 
> For cross, Robb, is correct.
> I wrote my cross ahead of time, because We have to be ready to impeach the
> Witness (just in case)  so having page numbers, paragraph numbers and line
> numbers  from the deposition and exhibits in all of my lines is super
> important.
> I have several docs opened.
> One was a impeachment script, another was my cross, and another was my
> exhibits and depositions. (all with headings and sub headings)
> 
> I just take notes of the opposing council's direct, if they addressed
> interesting arguments I have not thought of or herd before.
> My notes go on the top of my prepared cross,
> I also used lots of headings too.
> In cross I am just, trying to admit the key facts to build my Closing
> arguments. So if in the process of doing that I can bring exhibits and
> deposition facts that create doubts of the statements or motives or
> character of the witness, that is only extra points.
> 
> So for redirect notes. I just added a deviding line with lots of
> - (dashes)
> Before the dash I have my fleshed out direct outline,
> With headings, and a side (finder panel displaying the headlines) so i
> always have access to an outline of my notes and I can jomp to any argument
> I have
> 
> under the dashes I have my re direct., notes, try to think of arguments
> ahead of time. But sometimes there are some new ones and the best part is
> to not tuch those. Unless  you have a good defence or fact addressing that
> point.
> 
> Work on an argument for closing though. But  focus only on your strongest
> facts/exhibits that rebut what was directly addressed on Cross.
> 
> I only use my computer, and a screen reader with earbuds.
> --
> on the other hand, if I am taking notes on the cross of my partner?
> then I write it on Word and (discreetly push my computer away from me to
> let them read my notes from far away. use a 28 bold font. Haha.
> You can also talk to them in whispers.
> 
> Attached you will find my  impeachment script.
> Use transition lines to guide the jury and some closed question starters.
> 
> Best of luck, and have fun!
> Teresita Rios
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 8:14 AM Robert Munro via BlindLaw <
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> The main thing I have found with cross examination is to prepare it in
>> advance. Write down topics you want to address as headings and or
>> subheadings. Then move through them while you’re doing your cross
>> examination by jumping from heading to heading in case you want to take up
>> topics in a different order than you wrote them down originally.
>> 
>> As for taking notes, you might want to do that in a separate document in
>> case you get aPerry Mason-style gift gift during the person’s testimony.
>> You can’t count on that though. That’s why preparation is key.
>> 
>> Onward!
>> 
>> Rob
>> 
>>> On Feb 9, 2022, at 22:51, Lauren Bishop via BlindLaw <
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I forgot to mention that I have a braille display, and I have it always
>> connected to my computer through Bluetooth so I can move around the quart
>> room and still have my braille display.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 9, 2022, at 10:48 PM, Lauren Bishop via BlindLaw <
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> I am currently taking a trial advocacy course, and I have to do cross
>> examinations next week. The professor mentioned using some sort of trial
>> paper for students to take notes while the other side is examining the
>> witness. As blind people, what are some methods that you have used to do
>> this? I am a screen reader user, and I can’t read large print.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Lauren
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
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From montascarlos267 at gmail.com  Thu Feb 10 18:10:19 2022
From: montascarlos267 at gmail.com (carlos Montas)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 12:10:19 -0600
Subject: [blindLaw] Preparing for and taking notes on cross examinations
In-Reply-To: <AAB24A1E-A29A-4C92-AFCB-93CBD0A3D34C@icloud.com>
References: <AAB24A1E-A29A-4C92-AFCB-93CBD0A3D34C@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <E8097173-B6E2-4361-88E3-4DE9B2D329E2@gmail.com>

Good afternoon Lauren my name is Carlos Montas. We have spoken before on clubhouse in the Seeing Eye room. I was wondering if we could schedule a time to discuss investigative techniques? I just started a new job with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission as an investigator. I am not a lawyer, but I figured a leagal perspective would be helpful.  I can reached  at 305-527-0192. 
Soincerely, Carlos Montas  
Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 10, 2022, at 9:45 AM, Lauren Bishop via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I thank you for all of your responses. I definitely plan to have an outline of course, I just wanted to know how you guys added to it. This all seems very helpful, and I plan to play around with one note and see if that is a good solution also. 
> Thanks,
> Lauren
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 10, 2022, at 9:53 AM, Teresita Rios via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I love Trial Advocacy
>> 
>> 
>> For cross, Robb, is correct.
>> I wrote my cross ahead of time, because We have to be ready to impeach the
>> Witness (just in case)  so having page numbers, paragraph numbers and line
>> numbers  from the deposition and exhibits in all of my lines is super
>> important.
>> I have several docs opened.
>> One was a impeachment script, another was my cross, and another was my
>> exhibits and depositions. (all with headings and sub headings)
>> 
>> I just take notes of the opposing council's direct, if they addressed
>> interesting arguments I have not thought of or herd before.
>> My notes go on the top of my prepared cross,
>> I also used lots of headings too.
>> In cross I am just, trying to admit the key facts to build my Closing
>> arguments. So if in the process of doing that I can bring exhibits and
>> deposition facts that create doubts of the statements or motives or
>> character of the witness, that is only extra points.
>> 
>> So for redirect notes. I just added a deviding line with lots of
>> - (dashes)
>> Before the dash I have my fleshed out direct outline,
>> With headings, and a side (finder panel displaying the headlines) so i
>> always have access to an outline of my notes and I can jomp to any argument
>> I have
>> 
>> under the dashes I have my re direct., notes, try to think of arguments
>> ahead of time. But sometimes there are some new ones and the best part is
>> to not tuch those. Unless  you have a good defence or fact addressing that
>> point.
>> 
>> Work on an argument for closing though. But  focus only on your strongest
>> facts/exhibits that rebut what was directly addressed on Cross.
>> 
>> I only use my computer, and a screen reader with earbuds.
>> --
>> on the other hand, if I am taking notes on the cross of my partner?
>> then I write it on Word and (discreetly push my computer away from me to
>> let them read my notes from far away. use a 28 bold font. Haha.
>> You can also talk to them in whispers.
>> 
>> Attached you will find my  impeachment script.
>> Use transition lines to guide the jury and some closed question starters.
>> 
>> Best of luck, and have fun!
>> Teresita Rios
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 8:14 AM Robert Munro via BlindLaw <
>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The main thing I have found with cross examination is to prepare it in
>>> advance. Write down topics you want to address as headings and or
>>> subheadings. Then move through them while you’re doing your cross
>>> examination by jumping from heading to heading in case you want to take up
>>> topics in a different order than you wrote them down originally.
>>> 
>>> As for taking notes, you might want to do that in a separate document in
>>> case you get aPerry Mason-style gift gift during the person’s testimony.
>>> You can’t count on that though. That’s why preparation is key.
>>> 
>>> Onward!
>>> 
>>> Rob
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 9, 2022, at 22:51, Lauren Bishop via BlindLaw <
>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I forgot to mention that I have a braille display, and I have it always
>>> connected to my computer through Bluetooth so I can move around the quart
>>> room and still have my braille display.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 9, 2022, at 10:48 PM, Lauren Bishop via BlindLaw <
>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> I am currently taking a trial advocacy course, and I have to do cross
>>> examinations next week. The professor mentioned using some sort of trial
>>> paper for students to take notes while the other side is examining the
>>> witness. As blind people, what are some methods that you have used to do
>>> this? I am a screen reader user, and I can’t read large print.
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Lauren
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> BlindLaw mailing list
>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Thu Feb 10 22:23:33 2022
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 22:23:33 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Federal Trade Commission attorney position in Seattle
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From: 'McKewen, Richard' via Federal Attorneys Networking Group of Seattle <fangseattle at googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2022 1:30 PM
To: 'fangseattle at googlegroups.com' <fangseattle at googlegroups.com>
Subject: [fangs] RE: EPA/Seattle Job Announcement: Legal Assistant


Hi, all!  The FTC’s regional office here in Seattle is hiring an attorney who will focus on consumer protection matters.  Details here:

https://www.usajobs.gov/job/634339000



From: 'Castanon, Lisa' via Federal Attorneys Networking Group of Seattle <fangseattle at googlegroups.com<mailto:fangseattle at googlegroups.com>>
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2022 1:01 PM
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Subject: [fangs] EPA/Seattle Job Announcement: Legal Assistant

Hello,

The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency in Seattle is seeking to fill a GS-9 Legal Assistant position in the Office of Regional Counsel.  Please feel free to distribute it widely. The deadline to apply is Wednesday, February 16.  Thank you.

About the EPA Office of Regional Counsel, Region 10: ORC is led by the Regional Counsel, Deputy Regional Counsel, and a supervisor for each of our three branches: Land Law Branch (LLB), Water Law Branch (WLB), and Air/Toxics/Information Law Branch (ATILB).  We have approximately 35 staff attorneys who provide legal counseling and enforcement support in judicial and administrative cases for criminal and civil matters associated with the environmental programs administered by the Region.  We also manage the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) program for Region 10, with dedicated information law attorneys and a team of government information specialists.  Our Paralegal Specialist supports the attorneys and managers on a variety of legal tasks.  We’re seeking to fill a Legal Assistant position in the Immediate Office which will report to the Regional Counsel and provide administrative and legal support across the entire office.

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From tim at timeldermusic.com  Thu Feb 10 23:36:48 2022
From: tim at timeldermusic.com (tim at timeldermusic.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 15:36:48 -0800
Subject: [blindLaw] Accessibility of Los Angeles Superior Court
Message-ID: <002401d81ed7$12d795b0$3886c110$@timeldermusic.com>

Friends,

 

Are there any Los Angeles folks who want to help the superior court look
into accessibility improvements?  Accessibility of electronic filing systems
and having a general digital accessibility procurement policy come to mind.
I'm never in Los Angeles Superior Court.  Apparently there is a meeting
coming up, including facetime with judges.  

 

 

 


From teresitarios22 at gmail.com  Fri Feb 11 00:32:24 2022
From: teresitarios22 at gmail.com (Teresita Rios)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 19:32:24 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Accessibility of Los Angeles Superior Court
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I used to intern at Stanley Mosk Superior Court, in DownTown LA.
2 years ago! wow!
The PDFs were not that good and of course not OCR'd
But I could not use ABBY fine reader as the quality was that bad.
I am not in LA anymore.

Sorry.

Teresita Rios

On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 6:38 PM Tim Elder via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Friends,
>
>
>
> Are there any Los Angeles folks who want to help the superior court look
> into accessibility improvements?  Accessibility of electronic filing
> systems
> and having a general digital accessibility procurement policy come to mind.
> I'm never in Los Angeles Superior Court.  Apparently there is a meeting
> coming up, including facetime with judges.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From david.b.andrews at state.mn.us  Fri Feb 11 19:08:31 2022
From: david.b.andrews at state.mn.us (Andrews, David B (DEED))
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 19:08:31 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] FW: [JAWSBeta-Info] TSN: On Dell computers,
 Windows becomes  sluggish, Virtual memory errors appear,
 or applications unexpectedly close or crash when Waves MaxxAudio Service is
 running.
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Hello Everyone

For some time now, some people who use the JAWS screen reader occasionally experience periods of unresponsiveness, slow downs, freezing up, etc. While this information was anecdotal in nature at first, it turns out there was a cause. It applies to some Dell laptops and some software they use.

Personally I had this problem, and have disabled the service on my computer – we shall see.



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I thought it would be a good idea for all of you to be aware of this issue with Waves MaxxAudio Service that comes with many Dell systems. This can affect users with JAWS, Fusion, or ZoomText installed:  https://support.freedomscientific.com/Support/TechnicalSupport/Bulletin/1786<https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsupport.freedomscientific.com%2FSupport%2FTechnicalSupport%2FBulletin%2F1786&data=04%7C01%7Cdavid.b.andrews%40state.mn.us%7Cbd244a65d30140be40c008d9ec1fc7ee%7Ceb14b04624c445198f26b89c2159828c%7C0%7C0%7C637800443507475455%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=bjiAzw%2F7d3Cxq0mMs2bPIaVvHPegHRvy6MvoHIbcPbs%3D&reserved=0>



Short Description

On Dell computers, Windows becomes sluggish, Virtual memory errors appear, or applications unexpectedly close or crash when Waves MaxxAudio Service is running.

Problem

If your Dell PC or laptop uses the Waves MaxxAudio Service for its onboard audio chipset, problems may occur the longer you use the computer. Windows® may become sluggish. Applications such as JAWS® or Microsoft Teams may close or crash unexpectedly. Virtual memory errors might occur.

See the Detailed Description section below before continuing to the Solution if you wish to have more background information.

Solution

To disable or enable the Waves MaxxAudio Service Application:

  1.  Open Task Manager (the shortcut is CTRL+SHIFT+ESC).
  2.  Press the TAB key once. If this navigates to More Details, then press the SPACEBAR to show more details.
  3.  Navigate to the Startup tab.
  4.  Navigate to the list of items table.
  5.  Type w to navigate to the items starting with the letter w.
  6.  Press the DOWN ARROW, if needed to navigate to Waves MaxxAudio Service Application. If it is not in the list, then this is not the cause of the problem.
  7.  With Waves MaxxAudio Service Application selected, press ALT+A to disable it.
  8.  Restart the computer.
  9.  Use the computer for a few hours or so, without rebooting, until you are convinced the performance issues no longer exist. This may take several sessions.
  10. If the problem persists and you want to reenable Waves MaxxAudio Service Application, follow steps 1 through 8 but in step 8, press ALT+N to enable it.

Note:

The only real downside to disabling the Waves MaxxAudio Service Application is that the PC will no longer dynamically respond to plugging in a different output audio device. For example, if you plug in headphones, the computer will not use them until rebooting.

Detailed Description

Problem: Many computers include an onboard audio chipset that uses the “Waves Sound Maxx Audio Service”. When this service is running, your system performance is impacted when your system’s on-board audio is being used by various audio apps. Accessibility software is an example of audio software which makes use of the system’s audio interface in a way which has an impact on how the Waves Maxx Audio Service processes audio. The result is that over time, your system memory is not freed as applications like a screen reader submit audio to be output. Eventually, your system will begin making heavy use of the Virtual memory and memory pages. At some point enough memory will be used where Windows will need to begin closing applications to recover memory so that the system can continue to operate. When Windows unexpectedly closes application processes an application will either gracefully quit or an application may crash. For example, the Microsoft Teams software will often crash, whereas Google Chrome may simply exit gracefully. No crash dumps are generally generated when these symptoms occur.

Troubleshoot: To troubleshoot your system, run the msinfo32 app and tab to the system summary of information and if you find that the amount of available physical memory is less than 2 GB, typically as low as 850 MB of available memory, and if the system is using a large amount of virtual memory as much as 3 to 4 times your physical amount of memory, and your page file space is significantly greater than it usually is when you first boot up the machine, then it is very likely you have this issue. You can check this by rebooting your system and then load msinfo32. Examine the memory values that are listed under Summary. Once you know your startup values you can use the machine for 3 or 4 hours. After that time, if you examine the same msinfo32 information and you find you have little memory left or unexpectedly large amounts of memory is being used when you have almost no 3rd party apps running, then you likely have this issue.

For example, for a typical system with 16GB of physical RAM we would expect Windows 10 to bootup and have all services running with around 12.8 GB of RAM available of use. The total Virtual memory would typically be 18GB of RAM with the available virtual memory of 14.8GB and a Page file space of 2.8GB. If after 8 hours of use we close all applications and reexamine the msinfo32 summary information we should find the memory values to be near the values we had when we first booted up. It may be a little bit lower but if you have the issue described here then you would find the amount of physical memory to be less than 1GB of RAM and the total Virtual Memory to be 48GB or greater and the amount of Page file space to be more than 8GB. We have seen that Windows can have significant performance issues and even will begin closing apps in as little as 2 hours of use. This largely depends on how much one is using the machine.

Cause: The issue is not an issue directly caused by the accessibility software or by audio software like Teams. It is actually caused by the Waves Max Audio Service. We are in discussion with the manufacturer to see what can be done. But, for now, there is no good solution that Vispero can programmatically implement in our software which solves the problem. Intel will need to implement a solution on their end. Fortunately, the Waves Max Audio Service is not essential to the functioning of your computer’s audio. Applications, including screen readers and low vision software and other 3rd party applications that use audio can make use of the Realtek audio device without the use of the Sound Maxx Audio Service.

Workaround Solution: Follow the Solution section above to prevent the Waves MaxxAudio Service Application from starting when the computer turns on.

The following command line is another option to temporarily end the Waves MaxxAudio Service until the next reboot if you still want the service to automatically start up when the computer turns on:

  1.  Open cmd.exe as an elevated Administrator.
  2.  Type the following command: “taskkill /F /IM Wavessvc64.exe” and press ENTER.



From teresitarios22 at gmail.com  Fri Feb 11 23:56:12 2022
From: teresitarios22 at gmail.com (Teresita Rios)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 18:56:12 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Question on the ADA for law school project.
Message-ID: <CAKM5H_11c9mYN-VaePdMz21tDPGj_MFELZefLfx4_X0jPo_r_Q@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all,,
This is probably not the group to ask, but.

Is anyone an ADA expert or know one?

I am having issues finding any sections or administrative guidance
supporting
ADA accessible refrigerators.
My question is because I wrote an entire note urging an expansion of the
ADA  to new technology including touch screen appliances.

 I found several websites claiming to have ADA refrigerators.

https://www.spencerstv.com/blog/best-ada-compliant-refrigerators.
and also GE.
https://www.geappliances.com/ge/ada-compliant/

"
ADA Requirements for Top-Freezer Refrigerators

To be considered ADA compliant, GE top-freezer refrigerators must meet the
following requirements:

   -
      - 100% of the fresh food space below 54 inches.
      - 50% of the freezer space below 54 inches.

Controls must:

   -
      - Be below 54 inches.
      - Be operable with one hand and not require tight grasping, pinching
      or twisting of the wrist.
      - Require force of less than 5 lbs to activate."


Does anyone know where the guidance comes from?

I already searched Westlaw, Nexus and Hineonline, Bloomberg. major cites.
Google Scholar etc.

If anyone knows, let me know.
Warmly,
Teresita

From mnowicki4 at icloud.com  Sat Feb 12 00:29:06 2022
From: mnowicki4 at icloud.com (Michal Nowicki)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 18:29:06 -0600
Subject: [blindLaw] Question on the ADA for law school project.
In-Reply-To: <CAKM5H_11c9mYN-VaePdMz21tDPGj_MFELZefLfx4_X0jPo_r_Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKM5H_11c9mYN-VaePdMz21tDPGj_MFELZefLfx4_X0jPo_r_Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00fe01d81fa7$8c1d7590$a45860b0$@icloud.com>

Hi Teresita,

I don't know where this information comes from, but it's definitely not the
ADA. The ADA applies to places, programs, services, and activities, but not
to products. Take, for instance, a bookstore. If the bookstore was built or
underwent substantial renovation after the ADA took effect, it must be
wheelchair accessible. However, it is not obligated to stock Braille or
large print books.

That said, smart refrigerators with video playback capabilities are covered
by the Twenty-First Century Communications and Video Accessibility Act
(CVAA).

Best,

Michal

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BlindLaw
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2022 5:56 PM
To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Teresita Rios <teresitarios22 at gmail.com>
Subject: [blindLaw] Question on the ADA for law school project.

Dear all,,
This is probably not the group to ask, but.

Is anyone an ADA expert or know one?

I am having issues finding any sections or administrative guidance
supporting ADA accessible refrigerators.
My question is because I wrote an entire note urging an expansion of the ADA
to new technology including touch screen appliances.

 I found several websites claiming to have ADA refrigerators.

https://www.spencerstv.com/blog/best-ada-compliant-refrigerators.
and also GE.
https://www.geappliances.com/ge/ada-compliant/

"
ADA Requirements for Top-Freezer Refrigerators

To be considered ADA compliant, GE top-freezer refrigerators must meet the
following requirements:

   -
      - 100% of the fresh food space below 54 inches.
      - 50% of the freezer space below 54 inches.

Controls must:

   -
      - Be below 54 inches.
      - Be operable with one hand and not require tight grasping, pinching
      or twisting of the wrist.
      - Require force of less than 5 lbs to activate."


Does anyone know where the guidance comes from?

I already searched Westlaw, Nexus and Hineonline, Bloomberg. major cites.
Google Scholar etc.

If anyone knows, let me know.
Warmly,
Teresita
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From angie.matney at gmail.com  Sat Feb 12 01:43:00 2022
From: angie.matney at gmail.com (Angie Matney)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 20:43:00 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Question on the ADA for law school project.
In-Reply-To: <CAKM5H_11c9mYN-VaePdMz21tDPGj_MFELZefLfx4_X0jPo_r_Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKM5H_11c9mYN-VaePdMz21tDPGj_MFELZefLfx4_X0jPo_r_Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CCDB73F8-036B-4C89-B719-638B78CE049E@gmail.com>

Hi Teresita, 

These guidelines are part of the ADA 2010 technical standardds. As others have pointed out, the ADA does not apply to products; but there are places that need to have accessible kitchens (and other spaces) to be ADA compliant. The technical standards set forth detailed requirements Some manufacturers use the shorthand phrase "ADA-COMPLIANT" to mean that an entity with ADA obligations can comply through use of their product. Hope that makes sense. I'm pasting a link to the standards below. I believe the requirements for kitchens are at Section 804. 

https://www.ada.gov/regs2010/2010ADAStandards/2010ADAstandards.htm#c8


Best, 

> Angie


> On Feb 11, 2022, at 6:57 PM, Teresita Rios via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear all,,
> This is probably not the group to ask, but.
> 
> Is anyone an ADA expert or know one?
> 
> I am having issues finding any sections or administrative guidance
> supporting
> ADA accessible refrigerators.
> My question is because I wrote an entire note urging an expansion of the
> ADA  to new technology including touch screen appliances.
> 
> I found several websites claiming to have ADA refrigerators.
> 
> https://www.spencerstv.com/blog/best-ada-compliant-refrigerators.
> and also GE.
> https://www.geappliances.com/ge/ada-compliant/
> 
> "
> ADA Requirements for Top-Freezer Refrigerators
> 
> To be considered ADA compliant, GE top-freezer refrigerators must meet the
> following requirements:
> 
>   -
>      - 100% of the fresh food space below 54 inches.
>      - 50% of the freezer space below 54 inches.
> 
> Controls must:
> 
>   -
>      - Be below 54 inches.
>      - Be operable with one hand and not require tight grasping, pinching
>      or twisting of the wrist.
>      - Require force of less than 5 lbs to activate."
> 
> 
> Does anyone know where the guidance comes from?
> 
> I already searched Westlaw, Nexus and Hineonline, Bloomberg. major cites.
> Google Scholar etc.
> 
> If anyone knows, let me know.
> Warmly,
> Teresita
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From angie.matney at gmail.com  Sat Feb 12 01:54:19 2022
From: angie.matney at gmail.com (Angie Matney)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 20:54:19 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Question on the ADA for law school project.
In-Reply-To: <CCDB73F8-036B-4C89-B719-638B78CE049E@gmail.com>
References: <CCDB73F8-036B-4C89-B719-638B78CE049E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E524B500-4ACF-4AA9-9D92-4BF72681A581@gmail.com>

I mistakenly sent the version applicable to state and local governments. I think this page links to the Title III version, but I am searching on my phone. Anyway, hopefully this guets you started. 

https://www.access-board.gov/ada/

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 11, 2022, at 8:43 PM, Angie Matney <angie.matney at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Teresita, 
> 
> These guidelines are part of the ADA 2010 technical standardds. As others have pointed out, the ADA does not apply to products; but there are places that need to have accessible kitchens (and other spaces) to be ADA compliant. The technical standards set forth detailed requirements Some manufacturers use the shorthand phrase "ADA-COMPLIANT" to mean that an entity with ADA obligations can comply through use of their product. Hope that makes sense. I'm pasting a link to the standards below. I believe the requirements for kitchens are at Section 804. 
> 
> https://www.ada.gov/regs2010/2010ADAStandards/2010ADAstandards.htm#c8
> 
> 
> Best, 
> 
>> Angie
> 
> 
>> On Feb 11, 2022, at 6:57 PM, Teresita Rios via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear all,,
>> This is probably not the group to ask, but.
>> 
>> Is anyone an ADA expert or know one?
>> 
>> I am having issues finding any sections or administrative guidance
>> supporting
>> ADA accessible refrigerators.
>> My question is because I wrote an entire note urging an expansion of the
>> ADA  to new technology including touch screen appliances.
>> 
>> I found several websites claiming to have ADA refrigerators.
>> 
>> https://www.spencerstv.com/blog/best-ada-compliant-refrigerators.
>> and also GE.
>> https://www.geappliances.com/ge/ada-compliant/
>> 
>> "
>> ADA Requirements for Top-Freezer Refrigerators
>> 
>> To be considered ADA compliant, GE top-freezer refrigerators must meet the
>> following requirements:
>> 
>>   -
>>      - 100% of the fresh food space below 54 inches.
>>      - 50% of the freezer space below 54 inches.
>> 
>> Controls must:
>> 
>>   -
>>      - Be below 54 inches.
>>      - Be operable with one hand and not require tight grasping, pinching
>>      or twisting of the wrist.
>>      - Require force of less than 5 lbs to activate."
>> 
>> 
>> Does anyone know where the guidance comes from?
>> 
>> I already searched Westlaw, Nexus and Hineonline, Bloomberg. major cites.
>> Google Scholar etc.
>> 
>> If anyone knows, let me know.
>> Warmly,
>> Teresita
>> _______________________________________________
>> BlindLaw mailing list
>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/angie.matney%40gmail.com

From natel.appledorn at gmail.com  Mon Feb 14 00:13:11 2022
From: natel.appledorn at gmail.com (Nate Appledorn)
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2022 17:13:11 -0700
Subject: [blindLaw] National Society for Legal Technology
Message-ID: <CAJ+oXFxYCU0S_JsJPwswbrWyffgAUXPtappELQ045=DZCkCupQ@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings:
Does anyone have any experience with the accessibility of the NSLT
e-learning platform?
Thanks in advance,
Nate Appledorn

From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Fri Feb 18 17:53:12 2022
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre)
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2022 10:53:12 -0700
Subject: [blindLaw] FW: [DRBA] the National Disability Rights Network (NDRN)
 the membership organization and technical assistance provider for the
 Protection and Advocacy network is Hiring for an Education Staff Attorney
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR15MB361053602430EFFDF2BC86A3EE379@DM6PR15MB3610.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM6PR15MB361053602430EFFDF2BC86A3EE379@DM6PR15MB3610.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <004201d824f0$66884ff0$3398efd0$@labarrelaw.com>

FYI

 

From: Disability Rights Bar Association <DRBA at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU> On Behalf Of Kenneth Shiotani
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2022 7:12 AM
To: DRBA at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
Subject: [DRBA] the National Disability Rights Network (NDRN) the membership organization and technical assistance provider for the Protection and Advocacy network is Hiring for an Education Staff Attorney

 

 

The open period for the following position is ending soon, on February 28th.  Please forward to anyone whom you think is qualified and might be interested!

 

 

NDRN is seeing a Staff Attorney for Education <https://www.ndrn.org/job/ndrn-staff-attorney-for-education/> .  Detailed information about the position and how to apply is available in the job announcement <https://www.ndrn.org/job/ndrn-staff-attorney-for-education/>  or see the attachments.  

 

The closing deadline is Monday, February 28th.  Applications should be sent to: OpenEdAttorney at ndrn.org <mailto:OpenEdAttorney at ndrn.org>  (Subject: Education Staff Attorney Position).

 

 

 

Kenneth Shiotani

Senior Staff Attorney

National Disability Rights Network

820 First Street NE, Suite 740

Washington, DC 20002

(202) 408-9514 x 126 voice 

(202) 567-3526 (Direct)*

(202) 408-9520 Fax

(202) 408-9521 TTY

 <mailto:Kenneth.Shiotani at ndrn.org> Kenneth.Shiotani at ndrn.org 

 <http://www.ndrn.org/> www.ndrn.org

 

*I am working a hybrid work from home and in the office schedule during the pandemic. I am generally in the NDRN office Mondays, Wednesdays and Thursdays. Email is the best way to reach me.

 



 

 

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From teresitarios22 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 22 23:29:39 2022
From: teresitarios22 at gmail.com (Teresita Rios)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2022 18:29:39 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Anyone practice in Phili?
Message-ID: <CAKM5H_3Q4xQB0os1KPKUZtTKGaRRPy6hdGh6zF2JkQUHw0k82A@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all,,
I am very drawn to Philadelphia for job hunting.
Do any of you practice there?
How is public transportation?
Is the city of Phili as walkable as DC?
What are the central city neighborhoods I should be looking for in terms of
housing?
In California, we had to drive to get groceries. Is that also a requirement
in Phili?
I am new at growing uping, sorry.

If anyone is willing and able to give me a call and talk about their
experience in Phili I would appreciate it .  Just privately email me first.
I do not want to put my cell phone number out in the world.

Warmly,
Teresita Rios

From mnowicki4 at icloud.com  Tue Feb 22 23:56:09 2022
From: mnowicki4 at icloud.com (Michal Nowicki)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2022 17:56:09 -0600
Subject: [blindLaw] Anyone practice in Phili?
In-Reply-To: <CAKM5H_3Q4xQB0os1KPKUZtTKGaRRPy6hdGh6zF2JkQUHw0k82A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKM5H_3Q4xQB0os1KPKUZtTKGaRRPy6hdGh6zF2JkQUHw0k82A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00d001d82847$c439c8e0$4cad5aa0$@icloud.com>

Hi Teresita,

I don't live in Philadelphia, but I go there regularly because I am
participating in a clinical trial through the University of Pennsylvania. As
a result, I am quite familiar with the city.

Public transportation in Philadelphia is adequate. Both subway lines run
frequently (as often as every five minutes during weekday rush hour, and
roughly every 10 minutes during off-peak hours). The city also has several
commuter rail lines, numerous bus routes, and trolley lines. Some of the
buses run less frequently than others. For more info on Philadelphia's mass
transit system, check out the Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation
Authority (SEPTA) website at http://septa.org/.

Philadelphia also lies on Amtrak's famous Northeast Corridor, offering
convenient rail connections to New York City, Boston, Baltimore, and
Washington, DC.

I am less familiar with residential Philadelphia neighborhoods but have
heard that West Philly is one of the more dangerous areas.

If you want to discuss the city further, feel free to email me at
mnowicki4 at iCloud.com to set up a call.

Best,

Michal

-----Original Message-----
From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Teresita Rios via
BlindLaw
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2022 5:30 PM
To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Teresita Rios <teresitarios22 at gmail.com>
Subject: [blindLaw] Anyone practice in Phili?

Dear all,,
I am very drawn to Philadelphia for job hunting.
Do any of you practice there?
How is public transportation?
Is the city of Phili as walkable as DC?
What are the central city neighborhoods I should be looking for in terms of
housing?
In California, we had to drive to get groceries. Is that also a requirement
in Phili?
I am new at growing uping, sorry.

If anyone is willing and able to give me a call and talk about their
experience in Phili I would appreciate it .  Just privately email me first.
I do not want to put my cell phone number out in the world.

Warmly,
Teresita Rios
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From rodalcidonis at gmail.com  Wed Feb 23 01:18:44 2022
From: rodalcidonis at gmail.com (rodalcidonis at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2022 20:18:44 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Anyone practice in Phili?
In-Reply-To: <CAKM5H_3Q4xQB0os1KPKUZtTKGaRRPy6hdGh6zF2JkQUHw0k82A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKM5H_3Q4xQB0os1KPKUZtTKGaRRPy6hdGh6zF2JkQUHw0k82A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004001d82853$4cf8f3d0$e6eadb70$@gmail.com>

I practiced law in Philly for 10 years. It depends on the location as the
bus and train lines only run-in certain directions and not others. I used to
live within 5 minutes to the train station in another county and that made a
huge difference to how I got around the city. Do your research and you will
be fine. Be happy to help further if needed.


Rod,



-----Original Message-----
From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Teresita Rios via
BlindLaw
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2022 6:30 PM
To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Teresita Rios <teresitarios22 at gmail.com>
Subject: [blindLaw] Anyone practice in Phili?

Dear all,,
I am very drawn to Philadelphia for job hunting.
Do any of you practice there?
How is public transportation?
Is the city of Phili as walkable as DC?
What are the central city neighborhoods I should be looking for in terms of
housing?
In California, we had to drive to get groceries. Is that also a requirement
in Phili?
I am new at growing uping, sorry.

If anyone is willing and able to give me a call and talk about their
experience in Phili I would appreciate it .  Just privately email me first.
I do not want to put my cell phone number out in the world.

Warmly,
Teresita Rios
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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Thu Feb 24 00:13:34 2022
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2022 00:13:34 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] US--deputy attorney general civil rights . Department of
 Justice Attorney Vacancies Update
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From shah.maitreya32 at gmail.com  Thu Feb 24 15:51:52 2022
From: shah.maitreya32 at gmail.com (Maitreya Shah)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2022 10:51:52 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] FW: [JAWSBeta-Info] TSN: On Dell computers,
 Windows becomes sluggish, Virtual memory errors appear,
 or applications unexpectedly close or crash when Waves MaxxAudio Service is
 running.
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Thank you for this helpful note, David. I have been tired of these
issues with my Dell XPS.
Although the performance significantly improves after disabling the
waves max audio service, the laptop stops recognizing all external
devices including headphones. I do need to plug in headphones
frequently, so it is a bad tradeoff.
I was wondering if there is an alternate to waves max audio that would
work with the Dell machine?
All best,
Maitreya.

On 2/11/22, Andrews, David B (DEED) via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello Everyone
>
> For some time now, some people who use the JAWS screen reader occasionally
> experience periods of unresponsiveness, slow downs, freezing up, etc. While
> this information was anecdotal in nature at first, it turns out there was a
> cause. It applies to some Dell laptops and some software they use.
>
> Personally I had this problem, and have disabled the service on my computer
> – we shall see.
>
>
>
> Subject: Fwd: [JAWSBeta-Info] TSN: On Dell computers, Windows becomes
> sluggish, Virtual memory errors appear, or applications unexpectedly close
> or crash when Waves MaxxAudio Service is running.
>
> This message may be from an external email source.
> Do not select links or open attachments unless verified. Report all
> suspicious emails to Minnesota IT Services Security Operations Center.
>
> ________________________________
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> I thought it would be a good idea for all of you to be aware of this issue
> with Waves MaxxAudio Service that comes with many Dell systems. This can
> affect users with JAWS, Fusion, or ZoomText installed:
> https://support.freedomscientific.com/Support/TechnicalSupport/Bulletin/1786<https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsupport.freedomscientific.com%2FSupport%2FTechnicalSupport%2FBulletin%2F1786&data=04%7C01%7Cdavid.b.andrews%40state.mn.us%7Cbd244a65d30140be40c008d9ec1fc7ee%7Ceb14b04624c445198f26b89c2159828c%7C0%7C0%7C637800443507475455%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=bjiAzw%2F7d3Cxq0mMs2bPIaVvHPegHRvy6MvoHIbcPbs%3D&reserved=0>
>
>
>
> Short Description
>
> On Dell computers, Windows becomes sluggish, Virtual memory errors appear,
> or applications unexpectedly close or crash when Waves MaxxAudio Service is
> running.
>
> Problem
>
> If your Dell PC or laptop uses the Waves MaxxAudio Service for its onboard
> audio chipset, problems may occur the longer you use the computer. Windows®
> may become sluggish. Applications such as JAWS® or Microsoft Teams may
> close or crash unexpectedly. Virtual memory errors might occur.
>
> See the Detailed Description section below before continuing to the Solution
> if you wish to have more background information.
>
> Solution
>
> To disable or enable the Waves MaxxAudio Service Application:
>
>   1.  Open Task Manager (the shortcut is CTRL+SHIFT+ESC).
>   2.  Press the TAB key once. If this navigates to More Details, then press
> the SPACEBAR to show more details.
>   3.  Navigate to the Startup tab.
>   4.  Navigate to the list of items table.
>   5.  Type w to navigate to the items starting with the letter w.
>   6.  Press the DOWN ARROW, if needed to navigate to Waves MaxxAudio Service
> Application. If it is not in the list, then this is not the cause of the
> problem.
>   7.  With Waves MaxxAudio Service Application selected, press ALT+A to
> disable it.
>   8.  Restart the computer.
>   9.  Use the computer for a few hours or so, without rebooting, until you
> are convinced the performance issues no longer exist. This may take several
> sessions.
>   10. If the problem persists and you want to reenable Waves MaxxAudio
> Service Application, follow steps 1 through 8 but in step 8, press ALT+N to
> enable it.
>
> Note:
>
> The only real downside to disabling the Waves MaxxAudio Service Application
> is that the PC will no longer dynamically respond to plugging in a different
> output audio device. For example, if you plug in headphones, the computer
> will not use them until rebooting.
>
> Detailed Description
>
> Problem: Many computers include an onboard audio chipset that uses the
> “Waves Sound Maxx Audio Service†. When this service is running, your
> system performance is impacted when your system’s on-board audio is being
> used by various audio apps. Accessibility software is an example of audio
> software which makes use of the system’s audio interface in a way which
> has an impact on how the Waves Maxx Audio Service processes audio. The
> result is that over time, your system memory is not freed as applications
> like a screen reader submit audio to be output. Eventually, your system will
> begin making heavy use of the Virtual memory and memory pages. At some point
> enough memory will be used where Windows will need to begin closing
> applications to recover memory so that the system can continue to operate.
> When Windows unexpectedly closes application processes an application will
> either gracefully quit or an application may crash. For example, the
> Microsoft Teams software will often crash, whereas Google Chrome may simply
> exit gracefully. No crash dumps are generally generated when these symptoms
> occur.
>
> Troubleshoot: To troubleshoot your system, run the msinfo32 app and tab to
> the system summary of information and if you find that the amount of
> available physical memory is less than 2 GB, typically as low as 850 MB of
> available memory, and if the system is using a large amount of virtual
> memory as much as 3 to 4 times your physical amount of memory, and your page
> file space is significantly greater than it usually is when you first boot
> up the machine, then it is very likely you have this issue. You can check
> this by rebooting your system and then load msinfo32. Examine the memory
> values that are listed under Summary. Once you know your startup values you
> can use the machine for 3 or 4 hours. After that time, if you examine the
> same msinfo32 information and you find you have little memory left or
> unexpectedly large amounts of memory is being used when you have almost no
> 3rd party apps running, then you likely have this issue.
>
> For example, for a typical system with 16GB of physical RAM we would expect
> Windows 10 to bootup and have all services running with around 12.8 GB of
> RAM available of use. The total Virtual memory would typically be 18GB of
> RAM with the available virtual memory of 14.8GB and a Page file space of
> 2.8GB. If after 8 hours of use we close all applications and reexamine the
> msinfo32 summary information we should find the memory values to be near the
> values we had when we first booted up. It may be a little bit lower but if
> you have the issue described here then you would find the amount of physical
> memory to be less than 1GB of RAM and the total Virtual Memory to be 48GB or
> greater and the amount of Page file space to be more than 8GB. We have seen
> that Windows can have significant performance issues and even will begin
> closing apps in as little as 2 hours of use. This largely depends on how
> much one is using the machine.
>
> Cause: The issue is not an issue directly caused by the accessibility
> software or by audio software like Teams. It is actually caused by the Waves
> Max Audio Service. We are in discussion with the manufacturer to see what
> can be done. But, for now, there is no good solution that Vispero can
> programmatically implement in our software which solves the problem. Intel
> will need to implement a solution on their end. Fortunately, the Waves Max
> Audio Service is not essential to the functioning of your computer’s
> audio. Applications, including screen readers and low vision software and
> other 3rd party applications that use audio can make use of the Realtek
> audio device without the use of the Sound Maxx Audio Service.
>
> Workaround Solution: Follow the Solution section above to prevent the Waves
> MaxxAudio Service Application from starting when the computer turns on.
>
> The following command line is another option to temporarily end the Waves
> MaxxAudio Service until the next reboot if you still want the service to
> automatically start up when the computer turns on:
>
>   1.  Open cmd.exe as an elevated Administrator.
>   2.  Type the following command: “taskkill /F /IM Wavessvc64.exe† and
> press ENTER.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> BlindLaw mailing list
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LLM Candidate and Dean’s Merit Scholar, University of Pennsylvania Law
School (2021-22)
Associate Editor, University of Pennsylvania’s Asian Law Review (2021-22)
B.A. LL.B (Hons.), Gujarat National Law University (2015-20)
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From laurenbishop96 at icloud.com  Thu Feb 24 16:07:52 2022
From: laurenbishop96 at icloud.com (Lauren Bishop)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2022 11:07:52 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] FW: [JAWSBeta-Info] TSN: On Dell computers,
 Windows becomes sluggish, Virtual memory errors appear,
 or applications unexpectedly close or crash when Waves MaxxAudio Service is
 running.
In-Reply-To: <CAMGeFvoWQbu2xffC2MwnEqU2HvzyXjkwybDMw4Tgu8XaZZP4ug@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMGeFvoWQbu2xffC2MwnEqU2HvzyXjkwybDMw4Tgu8XaZZP4ug@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F75893FE-56BF-4387-A86C-C602C0E05D18@icloud.com>

I have heard that if you have headphones plugged in before you boot up your computer, the computer will recognize them. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 24, 2022, at 10:52 AM, Maitreya Shah via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Thank you for this helpful note, David. I have been tired of these
> issues with my Dell XPS.
> Although the performance significantly improves after disabling the
> waves max audio service, the laptop stops recognizing all external
> devices including headphones. I do need to plug in headphones
> frequently, so it is a bad tradeoff.
> I was wondering if there is an alternate to waves max audio that would
> work with the Dell machine?
> All best,
> Maitreya.
> 
>> On 2/11/22, Andrews, David B (DEED) via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello Everyone
>> 
>> For some time now, some people who use the JAWS screen reader occasionally
>> experience periods of unresponsiveness, slow downs, freezing up, etc. While
>> this information was anecdotal in nature at first, it turns out there was a
>> cause. It applies to some Dell laptops and some software they use.
>> 
>> Personally I had this problem, and have disabled the service on my computer
>> – we shall see.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Subject: Fwd: [JAWSBeta-Info] TSN: On Dell computers, Windows becomes
>> sluggish, Virtual memory errors appear, or applications unexpectedly close
>> or crash when Waves MaxxAudio Service is running.
>> 
>> This message may be from an external email source.
>> Do not select links or open attachments unless verified. Report all
>> suspicious emails to Minnesota IT Services Security Operations Center.
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I thought it would be a good idea for all of you to be aware of this issue
>> with Waves MaxxAudio Service that comes with many Dell systems. This can
>> affect users with JAWS, Fusion, or ZoomText installed:
>> https://support.freedomscientific.com/Support/TechnicalSupport/Bulletin/1786<https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsupport.freedomscientific.com%2FSupport%2FTechnicalSupport%2FBulletin%2F1786&data=04%7C01%7Cdavid.b.andrews%40state.mn.us%7Cbd244a65d30140be40c008d9ec1fc7ee%7Ceb14b04624c445198f26b89c2159828c%7C0%7C0%7C637800443507475455%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=bjiAzw%2F7d3Cxq0mMs2bPIaVvHPegHRvy6MvoHIbcPbs%3D&reserved=0>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Short Description
>> 
>> On Dell computers, Windows becomes sluggish, Virtual memory errors appear,
>> or applications unexpectedly close or crash when Waves MaxxAudio Service is
>> running.
>> 
>> Problem
>> 
>> If your Dell PC or laptop uses the Waves MaxxAudio Service for its onboard
>> audio chipset, problems may occur the longer you use the computer. Windows®
>> may become sluggish. Applications such as JAWS® or Microsoft Teams may
>> close or crash unexpectedly. Virtual memory errors might occur.
>> 
>> See the Detailed Description section below before continuing to the Solution
>> if you wish to have more background information.
>> 
>> Solution
>> 
>> To disable or enable the Waves MaxxAudio Service Application:
>> 
>>  1.  Open Task Manager (the shortcut is CTRL+SHIFT+ESC).
>>  2.  Press the TAB key once. If this navigates to More Details, then press
>> the SPACEBAR to show more details.
>>  3.  Navigate to the Startup tab.
>>  4.  Navigate to the list of items table.
>>  5.  Type w to navigate to the items starting with the letter w.
>>  6.  Press the DOWN ARROW, if needed to navigate to Waves MaxxAudio Service
>> Application. If it is not in the list, then this is not the cause of the
>> problem.
>>  7.  With Waves MaxxAudio Service Application selected, press ALT+A to
>> disable it.
>>  8.  Restart the computer.
>>  9.  Use the computer for a few hours or so, without rebooting, until you
>> are convinced the performance issues no longer exist. This may take several
>> sessions.
>>  10. If the problem persists and you want to reenable Waves MaxxAudio
>> Service Application, follow steps 1 through 8 but in step 8, press ALT+N to
>> enable it.
>> 
>> Note:
>> 
>> The only real downside to disabling the Waves MaxxAudio Service Application
>> is that the PC will no longer dynamically respond to plugging in a different
>> output audio device. For example, if you plug in headphones, the computer
>> will not use them until rebooting.
>> 
>> Detailed Description
>> 
>> Problem: Many computers include an onboard audio chipset that uses the
>> “Waves Sound Maxx Audio Service†. When this service is running, your
>> system performance is impacted when your system’s on-board audio is being
>> used by various audio apps. Accessibility software is an example of audio
>> software which makes use of the system’s audio interface in a way which
>> has an impact on how the Waves Maxx Audio Service processes audio. The
>> result is that over time, your system memory is not freed as applications
>> like a screen reader submit audio to be output. Eventually, your system will
>> begin making heavy use of the Virtual memory and memory pages. At some point
>> enough memory will be used where Windows will need to begin closing
>> applications to recover memory so that the system can continue to operate.
>> When Windows unexpectedly closes application processes an application will
>> either gracefully quit or an application may crash. For example, the
>> Microsoft Teams software will often crash, whereas Google Chrome may simply
>> exit gracefully. No crash dumps are generally generated when these symptoms
>> occur.
>> 
>> Troubleshoot: To troubleshoot your system, run the msinfo32 app and tab to
>> the system summary of information and if you find that the amount of
>> available physical memory is less than 2 GB, typically as low as 850 MB of
>> available memory, and if the system is using a large amount of virtual
>> memory as much as 3 to 4 times your physical amount of memory, and your page
>> file space is significantly greater than it usually is when you first boot
>> up the machine, then it is very likely you have this issue. You can check
>> this by rebooting your system and then load msinfo32. Examine the memory
>> values that are listed under Summary. Once you know your startup values you
>> can use the machine for 3 or 4 hours. After that time, if you examine the
>> same msinfo32 information and you find you have little memory left or
>> unexpectedly large amounts of memory is being used when you have almost no
>> 3rd party apps running, then you likely have this issue.
>> 
>> For example, for a typical system with 16GB of physical RAM we would expect
>> Windows 10 to bootup and have all services running with around 12.8 GB of
>> RAM available of use. The total Virtual memory would typically be 18GB of
>> RAM with the available virtual memory of 14.8GB and a Page file space of
>> 2.8GB. If after 8 hours of use we close all applications and reexamine the
>> msinfo32 summary information we should find the memory values to be near the
>> values we had when we first booted up. It may be a little bit lower but if
>> you have the issue described here then you would find the amount of physical
>> memory to be less than 1GB of RAM and the total Virtual Memory to be 48GB or
>> greater and the amount of Page file space to be more than 8GB. We have seen
>> that Windows can have significant performance issues and even will begin
>> closing apps in as little as 2 hours of use. This largely depends on how
>> much one is using the machine.
>> 
>> Cause: The issue is not an issue directly caused by the accessibility
>> software or by audio software like Teams. It is actually caused by the Waves
>> Max Audio Service. We are in discussion with the manufacturer to see what
>> can be done. But, for now, there is no good solution that Vispero can
>> programmatically implement in our software which solves the problem. Intel
>> will need to implement a solution on their end. Fortunately, the Waves Max
>> Audio Service is not essential to the functioning of your computer’s
>> audio. Applications, including screen readers and low vision software and
>> other 3rd party applications that use audio can make use of the Realtek
>> audio device without the use of the Sound Maxx Audio Service.
>> 
>> Workaround Solution: Follow the Solution section above to prevent the Waves
>> MaxxAudio Service Application from starting when the computer turns on.
>> 
>> The following command line is another option to temporarily end the Waves
>> MaxxAudio Service until the next reboot if you still want the service to
>> automatically start up when the computer turns on:
>> 
>>  1.  Open cmd.exe as an elevated Administrator.
>>  2.  Type the following command: “taskkill /F /IM Wavessvc64.exe† and
>> press ENTER.
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> BlindLaw mailing list
>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
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>> BlindLaw:
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>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Maitreya Shah (he/ him)
> LLM Candidate and Dean’s Merit Scholar, University of Pennsylvania Law
> School (2021-22)
> Associate Editor, University of Pennsylvania’s Asian Law Review (2021-22)
> B.A. LL.B (Hons.), Gujarat National Law University (2015-20)
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From capellem at fastmail.com  Thu Feb 24 16:12:33 2022
From: capellem at fastmail.com (Capelle, Michael)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2022 10:12:33 -0600
Subject: [blindLaw] FW: [JAWSBeta-Info] TSN: On Dell computers,
 Windows becomes sluggish, Virtual memory errors appear,
 or applications unexpectedly close or crash when Waves MaxxAudio Service is
 running.
In-Reply-To: <F75893FE-56BF-4387-A86C-C602C0E05D18@icloud.com>
References: <CAMGeFvoWQbu2xffC2MwnEqU2HvzyXjkwybDMw4Tgu8XaZZP4ug@mail.gmail.com>
 <F75893FE-56BF-4387-A86C-C602C0E05D18@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <000c01d82999$552ff110$ff8fd330$@fastmail.com>

With my experience, I have had better luck with Lenovo and HP, nothing but issues with dell.

-----Original Message-----
From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Lauren Bishop via BlindLaw
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2022 10:08 AM
To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Lauren Bishop <laurenbishop96 at icloud.com>
Subject: Re: [blindLaw] FW: [JAWSBeta-Info] TSN: On Dell computers, Windows becomes sluggish, Virtual memory errors appear, or applications unexpectedly close or crash when Waves MaxxAudio Service is running.

I have heard that if you have headphones plugged in before you boot up your computer, the computer will recognize them. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 24, 2022, at 10:52 AM, Maitreya Shah via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Thank you for this helpful note, David. I have been tired of these 
> issues with my Dell XPS.
> Although the performance significantly improves after disabling the 
> waves max audio service, the laptop stops recognizing all external 
> devices including headphones. I do need to plug in headphones 
> frequently, so it is a bad tradeoff.
> I was wondering if there is an alternate to waves max audio that would 
> work with the Dell machine?
> All best,
> Maitreya.
> 
>> On 2/11/22, Andrews, David B (DEED) via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello Everyone
>> 
>> For some time now, some people who use the JAWS screen reader 
>> occasionally experience periods of unresponsiveness, slow downs, 
>> freezing up, etc. While this information was anecdotal in nature at 
>> first, it turns out there was a cause. It applies to some Dell laptops and some software they use.
>> 
>> Personally I had this problem, and have disabled the service on my 
>> computer – we shall see.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Subject: Fwd: [JAWSBeta-Info] TSN: On Dell computers, Windows becomes 
>> sluggish, Virtual memory errors appear, or applications unexpectedly 
>> close or crash when Waves MaxxAudio Service is running.
>> 
>> This message may be from an external email source.
>> Do not select links or open attachments unless verified. Report all 
>> suspicious emails to Minnesota IT Services Security Operations Center.
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I thought it would be a good idea for all of you to be aware of this 
>> issue with Waves MaxxAudio Service that comes with many Dell systems. 
>> This can affect users with JAWS, Fusion, or ZoomText installed:
>> https://support.freedomscientific.com/Support/TechnicalSupport/Bullet
>> in/1786<https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%
>> 2F%2Fsupport.freedomscientific.com%2FSupport%2FTechnicalSupport%2FBul
>> letin%2F1786&data=04%7C01%7Cdavid.b.andrews%40state.mn.us%7Cbd244a65d
>> 30140be40c008d9ec1fc7ee%7Ceb14b04624c445198f26b89c2159828c%7C0%7C0%7C
>> 637800443507475455%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIj
>> oiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=bjiAzw%2F7d3Cxq
>> 0mMs2bPIaVvHPegHRvy6MvoHIbcPbs%3D&reserved=0>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Short Description
>> 
>> On Dell computers, Windows becomes sluggish, Virtual memory errors 
>> appear, or applications unexpectedly close or crash when Waves 
>> MaxxAudio Service is running.
>> 
>> Problem
>> 
>> If your Dell PC or laptop uses the Waves MaxxAudio Service for its 
>> onboard audio chipset, problems may occur the longer you use the 
>> computer. Windows® may become sluggish. Applications such as JAWS® 
>> or Microsoft Teams may close or crash unexpectedly. Virtual memory errors might occur.
>> 
>> See the Detailed Description section below before continuing to the 
>> Solution if you wish to have more background information.
>> 
>> Solution
>> 
>> To disable or enable the Waves MaxxAudio Service Application:
>> 
>>  1.  Open Task Manager (the shortcut is CTRL+SHIFT+ESC).
>>  2.  Press the TAB key once. If this navigates to More Details, then 
>> press the SPACEBAR to show more details.
>>  3.  Navigate to the Startup tab.
>>  4.  Navigate to the list of items table.
>>  5.  Type w to navigate to the items starting with the letter w.
>>  6.  Press the DOWN ARROW, if needed to navigate to Waves MaxxAudio 
>> Service Application. If it is not in the list, then this is not the 
>> cause of the problem.
>>  7.  With Waves MaxxAudio Service Application selected, press ALT+A 
>> to disable it.
>>  8.  Restart the computer.
>>  9.  Use the computer for a few hours or so, without rebooting, until 
>> you are convinced the performance issues no longer exist. This may 
>> take several sessions.
>>  10. If the problem persists and you want to reenable Waves MaxxAudio 
>> Service Application, follow steps 1 through 8 but in step 8, press 
>> ALT+N to enable it.
>> 
>> Note:
>> 
>> The only real downside to disabling the Waves MaxxAudio Service 
>> Application is that the PC will no longer dynamically respond to 
>> plugging in a different output audio device. For example, if you plug 
>> in headphones, the computer will not use them until rebooting.
>> 
>> Detailed Description
>> 
>> Problem: Many computers include an onboard audio chipset that uses 
>> the “Waves Sound Maxx Audio Service†. When this service is 
>> running, your system performance is impacted when your system’s 
>> on-board audio is being used by various audio apps. Accessibility 
>> software is an example of audio software which makes use of the 
>> system’s audio interface in a way which has an impact on how the 
>> Waves Maxx Audio Service processes audio. The result is that over 
>> time, your system memory is not freed as applications like a screen 
>> reader submit audio to be output. Eventually, your system will begin 
>> making heavy use of the Virtual memory and memory pages. At some 
>> point enough memory will be used where Windows will need to begin closing applications to recover memory so that the system can continue to operate.
>> When Windows unexpectedly closes application processes an application 
>> will either gracefully quit or an application may crash. For example, 
>> the Microsoft Teams software will often crash, whereas Google Chrome 
>> may simply exit gracefully. No crash dumps are generally generated 
>> when these symptoms occur.
>> 
>> Troubleshoot: To troubleshoot your system, run the msinfo32 app and 
>> tab to the system summary of information and if you find that the 
>> amount of available physical memory is less than 2 GB, typically as 
>> low as 850 MB of available memory, and if the system is using a large 
>> amount of virtual memory as much as 3 to 4 times your physical amount 
>> of memory, and your page file space is significantly greater than it 
>> usually is when you first boot up the machine, then it is very likely 
>> you have this issue. You can check this by rebooting your system and 
>> then load msinfo32. Examine the memory values that are listed under 
>> Summary. Once you know your startup values you can use the machine 
>> for 3 or 4 hours. After that time, if you examine the same msinfo32 
>> information and you find you have little memory left or unexpectedly 
>> large amounts of memory is being used when you have almost no 3rd party apps running, then you likely have this issue.
>> 
>> For example, for a typical system with 16GB of physical RAM we would 
>> expect Windows 10 to bootup and have all services running with around 
>> 12.8 GB of RAM available of use. The total Virtual memory would 
>> typically be 18GB of RAM with the available virtual memory of 14.8GB 
>> and a Page file space of 2.8GB. If after 8 hours of use we close all 
>> applications and reexamine the
>> msinfo32 summary information we should find the memory values to be 
>> near the values we had when we first booted up. It may be a little 
>> bit lower but if you have the issue described here then you would 
>> find the amount of physical memory to be less than 1GB of RAM and the 
>> total Virtual Memory to be 48GB or greater and the amount of Page 
>> file space to be more than 8GB. We have seen that Windows can have 
>> significant performance issues and even will begin closing apps in as 
>> little as 2 hours of use. This largely depends on how much one is using the machine.
>> 
>> Cause: The issue is not an issue directly caused by the accessibility 
>> software or by audio software like Teams. It is actually caused by 
>> the Waves Max Audio Service. We are in discussion with the 
>> manufacturer to see what can be done. But, for now, there is no good 
>> solution that Vispero can programmatically implement in our software 
>> which solves the problem. Intel will need to implement a solution on 
>> their end. Fortunately, the Waves Max Audio Service is not essential 
>> to the functioning of your computer’s audio. Applications, 
>> including screen readers and low vision software and other 3rd party 
>> applications that use audio can make use of the Realtek audio device without the use of the Sound Maxx Audio Service.
>> 
>> Workaround Solution: Follow the Solution section above to prevent the 
>> Waves MaxxAudio Service Application from starting when the computer turns on.
>> 
>> The following command line is another option to temporarily end the 
>> Waves MaxxAudio Service until the next reboot if you still want the 
>> service to automatically start up when the computer turns on:
>> 
>>  1.  Open cmd.exe as an elevated Administrator.
>>  2.  Type the following command: “taskkill /F /IM Wavessvc64.exe† 
>> and press ENTER.
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> BlindLaw mailing list
>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
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>> 
> 
> 
> --
> Maitreya Shah (he/ him)
> LLM Candidate and Dean’s Merit Scholar, University of Pennsylvania Law 
> School (2021-22) Associate Editor, University of Pennsylvania’s Asian 
> Law Review (2021-22) B.A. LL.B (Hons.), Gujarat National Law 
> University (2015-20)
> +91 8320964462 | +1 908 720 8795
> 
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From laurenbishop96 at icloud.com  Thu Feb 24 16:20:11 2022
From: laurenbishop96 at icloud.com (Lauren Bishop)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2022 11:20:11 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] FW: [JAWSBeta-Info] TSN: On Dell computers,
 Windows becomes sluggish, Virtual memory errors appear,
 or applications unexpectedly close or crash when Waves MaxxAudio Service is
 running.
In-Reply-To: <000c01d82999$552ff110$ff8fd330$@fastmail.com>
References: <000c01d82999$552ff110$ff8fd330$@fastmail.com>
Message-ID: <06FFB258-9732-4AE9-87FA-A0F70585C7D8@icloud.com>

Those are better computers, but this problem is concerning for those who may have to use Del and their workplaces. 
Lauren

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 24, 2022, at 11:13 AM, Capelle, Michael <capellem at fastmail.com> wrote:
> 
> With my experience, I have had better luck with Lenovo and HP, nothing but issues with dell.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Lauren Bishop via BlindLaw
> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2022 10:08 AM
> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Lauren Bishop <laurenbishop96 at icloud.com>
> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] FW: [JAWSBeta-Info] TSN: On Dell computers, Windows becomes sluggish, Virtual memory errors appear, or applications unexpectedly close or crash when Waves MaxxAudio Service is running.
> 
> I have heard that if you have headphones plugged in before you boot up your computer, the computer will recognize them. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 24, 2022, at 10:52 AM, Maitreya Shah via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you for this helpful note, David. I have been tired of these 
>> issues with my Dell XPS.
>> Although the performance significantly improves after disabling the 
>> waves max audio service, the laptop stops recognizing all external 
>> devices including headphones. I do need to plug in headphones 
>> frequently, so it is a bad tradeoff.
>> I was wondering if there is an alternate to waves max audio that would 
>> work with the Dell machine?
>> All best,
>> Maitreya.
>> 
>>>> On 2/11/22, Andrews, David B (DEED) via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hello Everyone
>>> 
>>> For some time now, some people who use the JAWS screen reader 
>>> occasionally experience periods of unresponsiveness, slow downs, 
>>> freezing up, etc. While this information was anecdotal in nature at 
>>> first, it turns out there was a cause. It applies to some Dell laptops and some software they use.
>>> 
>>> Personally I had this problem, and have disabled the service on my 
>>> computer – we shall see.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Subject: Fwd: [JAWSBeta-Info] TSN: On Dell computers, Windows becomes 
>>> sluggish, Virtual memory errors appear, or applications unexpectedly 
>>> close or crash when Waves MaxxAudio Service is running.
>>> 
>>> This message may be from an external email source.
>>> Do not select links or open attachments unless verified. Report all 
>>> suspicious emails to Minnesota IT Services Security Operations Center.
>>> 
>>> ________________________________
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I thought it would be a good idea for all of you to be aware of this 
>>> issue with Waves MaxxAudio Service that comes with many Dell systems. 
>>> This can affect users with JAWS, Fusion, or ZoomText installed:
>>> https://support.freedomscientific.com/Support/TechnicalSupport/Bullet
>>> in/1786<https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%
>>> 2F%2Fsupport.freedomscientific.com%2FSupport%2FTechnicalSupport%2FBul
>>> letin%2F1786&data=04%7C01%7Cdavid.b.andrews%40state.mn.us%7Cbd244a65d
>>> 30140be40c008d9ec1fc7ee%7Ceb14b04624c445198f26b89c2159828c%7C0%7C0%7C
>>> 637800443507475455%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIj
>>> oiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=bjiAzw%2F7d3Cxq
>>> 0mMs2bPIaVvHPegHRvy6MvoHIbcPbs%3D&reserved=0>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Short Description
>>> 
>>> On Dell computers, Windows becomes sluggish, Virtual memory errors 
>>> appear, or applications unexpectedly close or crash when Waves 
>>> MaxxAudio Service is running.
>>> 
>>> Problem
>>> 
>>> If your Dell PC or laptop uses the Waves MaxxAudio Service for its 
>>> onboard audio chipset, problems may occur the longer you use the 
>>> computer. Windows® may become sluggish. Applications such as JAWS® 
>>> or Microsoft Teams may close or crash unexpectedly. Virtual memory errors might occur.
>>> 
>>> See the Detailed Description section below before continuing to the 
>>> Solution if you wish to have more background information.
>>> 
>>> Solution
>>> 
>>> To disable or enable the Waves MaxxAudio Service Application:
>>> 
>>> 1.  Open Task Manager (the shortcut is CTRL+SHIFT+ESC).
>>> 2.  Press the TAB key once. If this navigates to More Details, then 
>>> press the SPACEBAR to show more details.
>>> 3.  Navigate to the Startup tab.
>>> 4.  Navigate to the list of items table.
>>> 5.  Type w to navigate to the items starting with the letter w.
>>> 6.  Press the DOWN ARROW, if needed to navigate to Waves MaxxAudio 
>>> Service Application. If it is not in the list, then this is not the 
>>> cause of the problem.
>>> 7.  With Waves MaxxAudio Service Application selected, press ALT+A 
>>> to disable it.
>>> 8.  Restart the computer.
>>> 9.  Use the computer for a few hours or so, without rebooting, until 
>>> you are convinced the performance issues no longer exist. This may 
>>> take several sessions.
>>> 10. If the problem persists and you want to reenable Waves MaxxAudio 
>>> Service Application, follow steps 1 through 8 but in step 8, press 
>>> ALT+N to enable it.
>>> 
>>> Note:
>>> 
>>> The only real downside to disabling the Waves MaxxAudio Service 
>>> Application is that the PC will no longer dynamically respond to 
>>> plugging in a different output audio device. For example, if you plug 
>>> in headphones, the computer will not use them until rebooting.
>>> 
>>> Detailed Description
>>> 
>>> Problem: Many computers include an onboard audio chipset that uses 
>>> the “Waves Sound Maxx Audio Service†. When this service is 
>>> running, your system performance is impacted when your system’s 
>>> on-board audio is being used by various audio apps. Accessibility 
>>> software is an example of audio software which makes use of the 
>>> system’s audio interface in a way which has an impact on how the 
>>> Waves Maxx Audio Service processes audio. The result is that over 
>>> time, your system memory is not freed as applications like a screen 
>>> reader submit audio to be output. Eventually, your system will begin 
>>> making heavy use of the Virtual memory and memory pages. At some 
>>> point enough memory will be used where Windows will need to begin closing applications to recover memory so that the system can continue to operate.
>>> When Windows unexpectedly closes application processes an application 
>>> will either gracefully quit or an application may crash. For example, 
>>> the Microsoft Teams software will often crash, whereas Google Chrome 
>>> may simply exit gracefully. No crash dumps are generally generated 
>>> when these symptoms occur.
>>> 
>>> Troubleshoot: To troubleshoot your system, run the msinfo32 app and 
>>> tab to the system summary of information and if you find that the 
>>> amount of available physical memory is less than 2 GB, typically as 
>>> low as 850 MB of available memory, and if the system is using a large 
>>> amount of virtual memory as much as 3 to 4 times your physical amount 
>>> of memory, and your page file space is significantly greater than it 
>>> usually is when you first boot up the machine, then it is very likely 
>>> you have this issue. You can check this by rebooting your system and 
>>> then load msinfo32. Examine the memory values that are listed under 
>>> Summary. Once you know your startup values you can use the machine 
>>> for 3 or 4 hours. After that time, if you examine the same msinfo32 
>>> information and you find you have little memory left or unexpectedly 
>>> large amounts of memory is being used when you have almost no 3rd party apps running, then you likely have this issue.
>>> 
>>> For example, for a typical system with 16GB of physical RAM we would 
>>> expect Windows 10 to bootup and have all services running with around 
>>> 12.8 GB of RAM available of use. The total Virtual memory would 
>>> typically be 18GB of RAM with the available virtual memory of 14.8GB 
>>> and a Page file space of 2.8GB. If after 8 hours of use we close all 
>>> applications and reexamine the
>>> msinfo32 summary information we should find the memory values to be 
>>> near the values we had when we first booted up. It may be a little 
>>> bit lower but if you have the issue described here then you would 
>>> find the amount of physical memory to be less than 1GB of RAM and the 
>>> total Virtual Memory to be 48GB or greater and the amount of Page 
>>> file space to be more than 8GB. We have seen that Windows can have 
>>> significant performance issues and even will begin closing apps in as 
>>> little as 2 hours of use. This largely depends on how much one is using the machine.
>>> 
>>> Cause: The issue is not an issue directly caused by the accessibility 
>>> software or by audio software like Teams. It is actually caused by 
>>> the Waves Max Audio Service. We are in discussion with the 
>>> manufacturer to see what can be done. But, for now, there is no good 
>>> solution that Vispero can programmatically implement in our software 
>>> which solves the problem. Intel will need to implement a solution on 
>>> their end. Fortunately, the Waves Max Audio Service is not essential 
>>> to the functioning of your computer’s audio. Applications, 
>>> including screen readers and low vision software and other 3rd party 
>>> applications that use audio can make use of the Realtek audio device without the use of the Sound Maxx Audio Service.
>>> 
>>> Workaround Solution: Follow the Solution section above to prevent the 
>>> Waves MaxxAudio Service Application from starting when the computer turns on.
>>> 
>>> The following command line is another option to temporarily end the 
>>> Waves MaxxAudio Service until the next reboot if you still want the 
>>> service to automatically start up when the computer turns on:
>>> 
>>> 1.  Open cmd.exe as an elevated Administrator.
>>> 2.  Type the following command: “taskkill /F /IM Wavessvc64.exe† 
>>> and press ENTER.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> BlindLaw mailing list
>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> BlindLaw:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/shah.maitreya32
>>> %40gmail.com
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Maitreya Shah (he/ him)
>> LLM Candidate and Dean’s Merit Scholar, University of Pennsylvania Law 
>> School (2021-22) Associate Editor, University of Pennsylvania’s Asian 
>> Law Review (2021-22) B.A. LL.B (Hons.), Gujarat National Law 
>> University (2015-20)
>> +91 8320964462 | +1 908 720 8795
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> BlindLaw mailing list
>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/laurenbishop96%4
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From cannona at fireantproductions.com  Thu Feb 24 18:19:58 2022
From: cannona at fireantproductions.com (Aaron Cannon)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2022 12:19:58 -0600
Subject: [blindLaw] FW: [JAWSBeta-Info] TSN: On Dell computers,
 Windows becomes sluggish, Virtual memory errors appear,
 or applications unexpectedly close or crash when Waves MaxxAudio Service is
 running.
In-Reply-To: <CAMGeFvoWQbu2xffC2MwnEqU2HvzyXjkwybDMw4Tgu8XaZZP4ug@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMGeFvoWQbu2xffC2MwnEqU2HvzyXjkwybDMw4Tgu8XaZZP4ug@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1ABE0313-8B33-4739-B0E9-BDCC47407DC3@fireantproductions.com>

Have you tried USB headphones? Those use an entirely different mechanism within Windows when connected, so that may fix it for you.

Good luck.

Aaron

--
This message was sent from a mobile device


> On Feb 24, 2022, at 09:53, Maitreya Shah via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Thank you for this helpful note, David. I have been tired of these
> issues with my Dell XPS.
> Although the performance significantly improves after disabling the
> waves max audio service, the laptop stops recognizing all external
> devices including headphones. I do need to plug in headphones
> frequently, so it is a bad tradeoff.
> I was wondering if there is an alternate to waves max audio that would
> work with the Dell machine?
> All best,
> Maitreya.
> 
>> On 2/11/22, Andrews, David B (DEED) via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello Everyone
>> 
>> For some time now, some people who use the JAWS screen reader occasionally
>> experience periods of unresponsiveness, slow downs, freezing up, etc. While
>> this information was anecdotal in nature at first, it turns out there was a
>> cause. It applies to some Dell laptops and some software they use.
>> 
>> Personally I had this problem, and have disabled the service on my computer
>> – we shall see.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Subject: Fwd: [JAWSBeta-Info] TSN: On Dell computers, Windows becomes
>> sluggish, Virtual memory errors appear, or applications unexpectedly close
>> or crash when Waves MaxxAudio Service is running.
>> 
>> This message may be from an external email source.
>> Do not select links or open attachments unless verified. Report all
>> suspicious emails to Minnesota IT Services Security Operations Center.
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I thought it would be a good idea for all of you to be aware of this issue
>> with Waves MaxxAudio Service that comes with many Dell systems. This can
>> affect users with JAWS, Fusion, or ZoomText installed:
>> https://support.freedomscientific.com/Support/TechnicalSupport/Bulletin/1786<https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsupport.freedomscientific.com%2FSupport%2FTechnicalSupport%2FBulletin%2F1786&data=04%7C01%7Cdavid.b.andrews%40state.mn.us%7Cbd244a65d30140be40c008d9ec1fc7ee%7Ceb14b04624c445198f26b89c2159828c%7C0%7C0%7C637800443507475455%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=bjiAzw%2F7d3Cxq0mMs2bPIaVvHPegHRvy6MvoHIbcPbs%3D&reserved=0>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Short Description
>> 
>> On Dell computers, Windows becomes sluggish, Virtual memory errors appear,
>> or applications unexpectedly close or crash when Waves MaxxAudio Service is
>> running.
>> 
>> Problem
>> 
>> If your Dell PC or laptop uses the Waves MaxxAudio Service for its onboard
>> audio chipset, problems may occur the longer you use the computer. Windows®
>> may become sluggish. Applications such as JAWS® or Microsoft Teams may
>> close or crash unexpectedly. Virtual memory errors might occur.
>> 
>> See the Detailed Description section below before continuing to the Solution
>> if you wish to have more background information.
>> 
>> Solution
>> 
>> To disable or enable the Waves MaxxAudio Service Application:
>> 
>>  1.  Open Task Manager (the shortcut is CTRL+SHIFT+ESC).
>>  2.  Press the TAB key once. If this navigates to More Details, then press
>> the SPACEBAR to show more details.
>>  3.  Navigate to the Startup tab.
>>  4.  Navigate to the list of items table.
>>  5.  Type w to navigate to the items starting with the letter w.
>>  6.  Press the DOWN ARROW, if needed to navigate to Waves MaxxAudio Service
>> Application. If it is not in the list, then this is not the cause of the
>> problem.
>>  7.  With Waves MaxxAudio Service Application selected, press ALT+A to
>> disable it.
>>  8.  Restart the computer.
>>  9.  Use the computer for a few hours or so, without rebooting, until you
>> are convinced the performance issues no longer exist. This may take several
>> sessions.
>>  10. If the problem persists and you want to reenable Waves MaxxAudio
>> Service Application, follow steps 1 through 8 but in step 8, press ALT+N to
>> enable it.
>> 
>> Note:
>> 
>> The only real downside to disabling the Waves MaxxAudio Service Application
>> is that the PC will no longer dynamically respond to plugging in a different
>> output audio device. For example, if you plug in headphones, the computer
>> will not use them until rebooting.
>> 
>> Detailed Description
>> 
>> Problem: Many computers include an onboard audio chipset that uses the
>> “Waves Sound Maxx Audio Service†. When this service is running, your
>> system performance is impacted when your system’s on-board audio is being
>> used by various audio apps. Accessibility software is an example of audio
>> software which makes use of the system’s audio interface in a way which
>> has an impact on how the Waves Maxx Audio Service processes audio. The
>> result is that over time, your system memory is not freed as applications
>> like a screen reader submit audio to be output. Eventually, your system will
>> begin making heavy use of the Virtual memory and memory pages. At some point
>> enough memory will be used where Windows will need to begin closing
>> applications to recover memory so that the system can continue to operate.
>> When Windows unexpectedly closes application processes an application will
>> either gracefully quit or an application may crash. For example, the
>> Microsoft Teams software will often crash, whereas Google Chrome may simply
>> exit gracefully. No crash dumps are generally generated when these symptoms
>> occur.
>> 
>> Troubleshoot: To troubleshoot your system, run the msinfo32 app and tab to
>> the system summary of information and if you find that the amount of
>> available physical memory is less than 2 GB, typically as low as 850 MB of
>> available memory, and if the system is using a large amount of virtual
>> memory as much as 3 to 4 times your physical amount of memory, and your page
>> file space is significantly greater than it usually is when you first boot
>> up the machine, then it is very likely you have this issue. You can check
>> this by rebooting your system and then load msinfo32. Examine the memory
>> values that are listed under Summary. Once you know your startup values you
>> can use the machine for 3 or 4 hours. After that time, if you examine the
>> same msinfo32 information and you find you have little memory left or
>> unexpectedly large amounts of memory is being used when you have almost no
>> 3rd party apps running, then you likely have this issue.
>> 
>> For example, for a typical system with 16GB of physical RAM we would expect
>> Windows 10 to bootup and have all services running with around 12.8 GB of
>> RAM available of use. The total Virtual memory would typically be 18GB of
>> RAM with the available virtual memory of 14.8GB and a Page file space of
>> 2.8GB. If after 8 hours of use we close all applications and reexamine the
>> msinfo32 summary information we should find the memory values to be near the
>> values we had when we first booted up. It may be a little bit lower but if
>> you have the issue described here then you would find the amount of physical
>> memory to be less than 1GB of RAM and the total Virtual Memory to be 48GB or
>> greater and the amount of Page file space to be more than 8GB. We have seen
>> that Windows can have significant performance issues and even will begin
>> closing apps in as little as 2 hours of use. This largely depends on how
>> much one is using the machine.
>> 
>> Cause: The issue is not an issue directly caused by the accessibility
>> software or by audio software like Teams. It is actually caused by the Waves
>> Max Audio Service. We are in discussion with the manufacturer to see what
>> can be done. But, for now, there is no good solution that Vispero can
>> programmatically implement in our software which solves the problem. Intel
>> will need to implement a solution on their end. Fortunately, the Waves Max
>> Audio Service is not essential to the functioning of your computer’s
>> audio. Applications, including screen readers and low vision software and
>> other 3rd party applications that use audio can make use of the Realtek
>> audio device without the use of the Sound Maxx Audio Service.
>> 
>> Workaround Solution: Follow the Solution section above to prevent the Waves
>> MaxxAudio Service Application from starting when the computer turns on.
>> 
>> The following command line is another option to temporarily end the Waves
>> MaxxAudio Service until the next reboot if you still want the service to
>> automatically start up when the computer turns on:
>> 
>>  1.  Open cmd.exe as an elevated Administrator.
>>  2.  Type the following command: “taskkill /F /IM Wavessvc64.exe† and
>> press ENTER.
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> BlindLaw mailing list
>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> BlindLaw:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/shah.maitreya32%40gmail.com
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Maitreya Shah (he/ him)
> LLM Candidate and Dean’s Merit Scholar, University of Pennsylvania Law
> School (2021-22)
> Associate Editor, University of Pennsylvania’s Asian Law Review (2021-22)
> B.A. LL.B (Hons.), Gujarat National Law University (2015-20)
> +91 8320964462 | +1 908 720 8795
> 
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From shah.maitreya32 at gmail.com  Sat Feb 26 18:03:46 2022
From: shah.maitreya32 at gmail.com (Maitreya Shah)
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2022 13:03:46 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] FW: [JAWSBeta-Info] TSN: On Dell computers,
 Windows becomes sluggish, Virtual memory errors appear,
 or applications unexpectedly close or crash when Waves MaxxAudio Service is
 running.
In-Reply-To: <1ABE0313-8B33-4739-B0E9-BDCC47407DC3@fireantproductions.com>
References: <CAMGeFvoWQbu2xffC2MwnEqU2HvzyXjkwybDMw4Tgu8XaZZP4ug@mail.gmail.com>
 <1ABE0313-8B33-4739-B0E9-BDCC47407DC3@fireantproductions.com>
Message-ID: <CAMGeFvqmBfz81g8iH_hBfVRZoUD-D47UfRMU0kJu3dCjkPKM=A@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks everyone.
Plugging in headphones before booting is not working every time with
my machine. It also often loses the connection after an initial
recognition. It is especially embarrassing in classes and meetings
when JAWS suddenly starts shouting from the built-in speakers.
I do like Aaron's idea of getting USB headphones though.
Thank you!

On 2/24/22, Aaron Cannon via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Have you tried USB headphones? Those use an entirely different mechanism
> within Windows when connected, so that may fix it for you.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Aaron
>
> --
> This message was sent from a mobile device
>
>
>> On Feb 24, 2022, at 09:53, Maitreya Shah via BlindLaw
>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Thank you for this helpful note, David. I have been tired of these
>> issues with my Dell XPS.
>> Although the performance significantly improves after disabling the
>> waves max audio service, the laptop stops recognizing all external
>> devices including headphones. I do need to plug in headphones
>> frequently, so it is a bad tradeoff.
>> I was wondering if there is an alternate to waves max audio that would
>> work with the Dell machine?
>> All best,
>> Maitreya.
>>
>>> On 2/11/22, Andrews, David B (DEED) via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> Hello Everyone
>>>
>>> For some time now, some people who use the JAWS screen reader
>>> occasionally
>>> experience periods of unresponsiveness, slow downs, freezing up, etc.
>>> While
>>> this information was anecdotal in nature at first, it turns out there was
>>> a
>>> cause. It applies to some Dell laptops and some software they use.
>>>
>>> Personally I had this problem, and have disabled the service on my
>>> computer
>>> – we shall see.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Subject: Fwd: [JAWSBeta-Info] TSN: On Dell computers, Windows becomes
>>> sluggish, Virtual memory errors appear, or applications unexpectedly
>>> close
>>> or crash when Waves MaxxAudio Service is running.
>>>
>>> This message may be from an external email source.
>>> Do not select links or open attachments unless verified. Report all
>>> suspicious emails to Minnesota IT Services Security Operations Center.
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I thought it would be a good idea for all of you to be aware of this
>>> issue
>>> with Waves MaxxAudio Service that comes with many Dell systems. This can
>>> affect users with JAWS, Fusion, or ZoomText installed:
>>> https://support.freedomscientific.com/Support/TechnicalSupport/Bulletin/1786<https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsupport.freedomscientific.com%2FSupport%2FTechnicalSupport%2FBulletin%2F1786&data=04%7C01%7Cdavid.b.andrews%40state.mn.us%7Cbd244a65d30140be40c008d9ec1fc7ee%7Ceb14b04624c445198f26b89c2159828c%7C0%7C0%7C637800443507475455%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=bjiAzw%2F7d3Cxq0mMs2bPIaVvHPegHRvy6MvoHIbcPbs%3D&reserved=0>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Short Description
>>>
>>> On Dell computers, Windows becomes sluggish, Virtual memory errors
>>> appear,
>>> or applications unexpectedly close or crash when Waves MaxxAudio Service
>>> is
>>> running.
>>>
>>> Problem
>>>
>>> If your Dell PC or laptop uses the Waves MaxxAudio Service for its
>>> onboard
>>> audio chipset, problems may occur the longer you use the computer.
>>> Windows®
>>> may become sluggish. Applications such as JAWS® or Microsoft Teams may
>>> close or crash unexpectedly. Virtual memory errors might occur.
>>>
>>> See the Detailed Description section below before continuing to the
>>> Solution
>>> if you wish to have more background information.
>>>
>>> Solution
>>>
>>> To disable or enable the Waves MaxxAudio Service Application:
>>>
>>>  1.  Open Task Manager (the shortcut is CTRL+SHIFT+ESC).
>>>  2.  Press the TAB key once. If this navigates to More Details, then
>>> press
>>> the SPACEBAR to show more details.
>>>  3.  Navigate to the Startup tab.
>>>  4.  Navigate to the list of items table.
>>>  5.  Type w to navigate to the items starting with the letter w.
>>>  6.  Press the DOWN ARROW, if needed to navigate to Waves MaxxAudio
>>> Service
>>> Application. If it is not in the list, then this is not the cause of the
>>> problem.
>>>  7.  With Waves MaxxAudio Service Application selected, press ALT+A to
>>> disable it.
>>>  8.  Restart the computer.
>>>  9.  Use the computer for a few hours or so, without rebooting, until you
>>> are convinced the performance issues no longer exist. This may take
>>> several
>>> sessions.
>>>  10. If the problem persists and you want to reenable Waves MaxxAudio
>>> Service Application, follow steps 1 through 8 but in step 8, press ALT+N
>>> to
>>> enable it.
>>>
>>> Note:
>>>
>>> The only real downside to disabling the Waves MaxxAudio Service
>>> Application
>>> is that the PC will no longer dynamically respond to plugging in a
>>> different
>>> output audio device. For example, if you plug in headphones, the computer
>>> will not use them until rebooting.
>>>
>>> Detailed Description
>>>
>>> Problem: Many computers include an onboard audio chipset that uses the
>>> “Waves Sound Maxx Audio Service†. When this service is running, your
>>> system performance is impacted when your system’s on-board audio is
>>> being
>>> used by various audio apps. Accessibility software is an example of audio
>>> software which makes use of the system’s audio interface in a way which
>>> has an impact on how the Waves Maxx Audio Service processes audio. The
>>> result is that over time, your system memory is not freed as applications
>>> like a screen reader submit audio to be output. Eventually, your system
>>> will
>>> begin making heavy use of the Virtual memory and memory pages. At some
>>> point
>>> enough memory will be used where Windows will need to begin closing
>>> applications to recover memory so that the system can continue to
>>> operate.
>>> When Windows unexpectedly closes application processes an application
>>> will
>>> either gracefully quit or an application may crash. For example, the
>>> Microsoft Teams software will often crash, whereas Google Chrome may
>>> simply
>>> exit gracefully. No crash dumps are generally generated when these
>>> symptoms
>>> occur.
>>>
>>> Troubleshoot: To troubleshoot your system, run the msinfo32 app and tab
>>> to
>>> the system summary of information and if you find that the amount of
>>> available physical memory is less than 2 GB, typically as low as 850 MB
>>> of
>>> available memory, and if the system is using a large amount of virtual
>>> memory as much as 3 to 4 times your physical amount of memory, and your
>>> page
>>> file space is significantly greater than it usually is when you first
>>> boot
>>> up the machine, then it is very likely you have this issue. You can check
>>> this by rebooting your system and then load msinfo32. Examine the memory
>>> values that are listed under Summary. Once you know your startup values
>>> you
>>> can use the machine for 3 or 4 hours. After that time, if you examine the
>>> same msinfo32 information and you find you have little memory left or
>>> unexpectedly large amounts of memory is being used when you have almost
>>> no
>>> 3rd party apps running, then you likely have this issue.
>>>
>>> For example, for a typical system with 16GB of physical RAM we would
>>> expect
>>> Windows 10 to bootup and have all services running with around 12.8 GB of
>>> RAM available of use. The total Virtual memory would typically be 18GB of
>>> RAM with the available virtual memory of 14.8GB and a Page file space of
>>> 2.8GB. If after 8 hours of use we close all applications and reexamine
>>> the
>>> msinfo32 summary information we should find the memory values to be near
>>> the
>>> values we had when we first booted up. It may be a little bit lower but
>>> if
>>> you have the issue described here then you would find the amount of
>>> physical
>>> memory to be less than 1GB of RAM and the total Virtual Memory to be 48GB
>>> or
>>> greater and the amount of Page file space to be more than 8GB. We have
>>> seen
>>> that Windows can have significant performance issues and even will begin
>>> closing apps in as little as 2 hours of use. This largely depends on how
>>> much one is using the machine.
>>>
>>> Cause: The issue is not an issue directly caused by the accessibility
>>> software or by audio software like Teams. It is actually caused by the
>>> Waves
>>> Max Audio Service. We are in discussion with the manufacturer to see what
>>> can be done. But, for now, there is no good solution that Vispero can
>>> programmatically implement in our software which solves the problem.
>>> Intel
>>> will need to implement a solution on their end. Fortunately, the Waves
>>> Max
>>> Audio Service is not essential to the functioning of your computer’s
>>> audio. Applications, including screen readers and low vision software and
>>> other 3rd party applications that use audio can make use of the Realtek
>>> audio device without the use of the Sound Maxx Audio Service.
>>>
>>> Workaround Solution: Follow the Solution section above to prevent the
>>> Waves
>>> MaxxAudio Service Application from starting when the computer turns on.
>>>
>>> The following command line is another option to temporarily end the Waves
>>> MaxxAudio Service until the next reboot if you still want the service to
>>> automatically start up when the computer turns on:
>>>
>>>  1.  Open cmd.exe as an elevated Administrator.
>>>  2.  Type the following command: “taskkill /F /IM Wavessvc64.exe† and
>>> press ENTER.
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> BlindLaw mailing list
>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> BlindLaw:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/shah.maitreya32%40gmail.com
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Maitreya Shah (he/ him)
>> LLM Candidate and Dean’s Merit Scholar, University of Pennsylvania Law
>> School (2021-22)
>> Associate Editor, University of Pennsylvania’s Asian Law Review (2021-22)
>> B.A. LL.B (Hons.), Gujarat National Law University (2015-20)
>> +91 8320964462 | +1 908 720 8795
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> BlindLaw:
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-- 
Maitreya Shah (he/ him)
LLM Candidate and Dean’s Merit Scholar, University of Pennsylvania Law
School (2021-22)
Associate Editor, University of Pennsylvania’s Asian Law Review (2021-22)
B.A. LL.B (Hons.), Gujarat National Law University (2015-20)
+91 8320964462 | +1 908 720 8795


From dandrews920 at comcast.net  Sun Feb 27 19:39:16 2022
From: dandrews920 at comcast.net (David Andrews)
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2022 13:39:16 -0600
Subject: [blindLaw] FW: [JAWSBeta-Info] TSN: On Dell computers,
 Windows becomes sluggish, Virtual memory errors appear,
 or applications unexpectedly close or crash when Waves MaxxAudio Service is
 running.
In-Reply-To: <CAMGeFvoWQbu2xffC2MwnEqU2HvzyXjkwybDMw4Tgu8XaZZP4ug@mail.g
 mail.com>
References: <582e0582-00bb-4e5a-87a5-404bb04be1aa@DM3GCC02FT047.eop-gcc02.prod.protection.outlook.com>
 <SA1PR09MB74551CFF398932FE6C0F8407EC309@SA1PR09MB7455.namprd09.prod.outlook.com>
 <CAMGeFvoWQbu2xffC2MwnEqU2HvzyXjkwybDMw4Tgu8XaZZP4ug@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.76.1771245465.733174.blindlaw_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>

I don't know, to be honest. I did not have this 
problem. The only thing I can think of is JAWS 
recent versions allow you to pick a sound card, 
you could see if an option works better, Use jaws 
key with space bar, then v, then c, then up and down arrow and experiment.

Dave

At 09:51 AM 2/24/2022, you wrote:
>Thank you for this helpful note, David. I have 
>been tired of these issues with my Dell XPS. 
>Although the performance significantly improves 
>after disabling the waves max audio service, the 
>laptop stops recognizing all external devices 
>including headphones. I do need to plug in 
>headphones frequently, so it is a bad tradeoff. 
>I was wondering if there is an alternate to 
>waves max audio that would work with the Dell 
>machine? All best, Maitreya. On 2/11/22, 
>Andrews, David B (DEED) via BlindLaw 
><blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: > Hello 
>Everyone > > For some time now, some people who 
>use the JAWS screen reader occasionally > 
>experience periods of unresponsiveness, slow 
>downs, freezing up, etc. While > this 
>information was anecdotal in nature at first, it 
>turns out there was a > cause. It applies to 
>some Dell laptops and some software they 
>use. > > Personally I had this problem, and have 
>disabled the service on my computer > ­ we shall 
>see. > > > > Subject: Fwd: [JJAWSBeta-Info] TSN: 
>On Dell computers, Windows becomes > sluggish, 
>Virtual memory errors appear, or applications 
>unexpectedly close > or crash when Waves 
>MaxxAudio Service is running. > > This message 
>may be from an external email source. > Do not 
>select links or open attachments unless 
>verified. Report all > suspicious emails to 
>Minnesota IT Services Security Operations 
>Center. > > ________________________________ > > 
>Hello, > > > > I thought it would be a good idea 
>for all of you to be aware of this issue > with 
>Waves MaxxAudio Service that comes with many 
>Dell systems. This can > affect users with JAWS, 
>Fusion, or ZoomText installed: > 
>https://support.freedomscientific.com/Support/TechnicalSupport/Bulletin/1786<https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsupport.freedomscientific.com%2FSupport%2FTechnicalSupport%2FBulletin%2F1786&data=04%7C01%7Cdavid.b.andrews%40state.mn.us%7Cbd244a65d30140be40c008d9ec1fc7ee%7Ceb14b04624c445198f26b89c2159828c%7C0%7C0%7C637800443507475455%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=bjiAzw%2F7d3Cxq0mMs2bPIaVvHPegHRvy6MvoHIbcPbs%3D&reserved=0>  
> > > > > Short Description > > On Dell 
>computers, Windows becomes sluggish, Virtual 
>memory errors appear, > or applications 
>unexpectedly close or crash when Waves MaxxAudio 
>Service is > running. > > Problem > > If your 
>Dell PC or laptop uses the Waves MaxxAudio 
>Service for its onboard > audio chipset, 
>problems may occur the longer you use the 
>computer. Windows® > may become sluggish. 
>Applications such as JAWS® or Microsoft Teams 
>may > close or crash unexpectedly. Virtual 
>memory errors might occur. > > See the Detailed 
>Description section below before continuing to 
>the Solution > if you wish to have more 
>background information. > > Solution > > To 
>disable or enable the Waves MaxxAudio Service 
>Application: > >   1.  Open Task Manager (the 
>shortcut is CTRL+SHIFT+ESC). >   2.  Press the 
>TAB key once. If this navigates to More Details, 
>then press > the SPACEBAR to show more 
>details. >   3.  Navigate to the Startup 
>tab. >   4.  Navigate to the list of items 
>table. >   5.  Type w to navigate to the items 
>starting with the letter w. >   6.  Press the 
>DOWN ARROW, if needed to navigate to Waves 
>MaxxAudio Service > Application. If it is not in 
>the list, then this is not the cause of the > 
>problem. >   7.  With Waves MaxxAudio Service 
>Application selected, press ALT+A to > disable 
>it. >   8.  Restart the computer. >   9.  Use 
>the computer for a few hours or so, without 
>rebooting, until you > are convinced the 
>performance issues no longer exist. This may 
>take several > sessions. >   10. If the problem 
>persists and you want to reenable Waves 
>MaxxAudio > Service Application, follow steps 1 
>through 8 but in step 8, press ALT+N to > enable 
>it. > > Note: > > The only real downside to 
>disabling the Waves MaxxAudio Service 
>Application > is that the PC will no longer 
>dynamically respond to plugging in a different > 
>output audio device. For example, if you plug in 
>headphones, the computer > will not use them 
>until rebooting. > > Detailed Description > > 
>Problem: Many computers include an onboard audio 
>chipset that uses the > “Waves Sound Maxx 
>Audio o Service†. When this service is 
>running, your > systeem performance is impacted 
>when your system’s on-bo-board audio is 
>being > used by various audio apps. 
>Accessibility software is an example of audio > 
>software which makes use of the system’s 
>audio interface in a way wy which > has an 
>impact on how the Waves Maxx Audio Service 
>processes audio. The > result is that over time, 
>your system memory is not freed as 
>applications > like a screen reader submit audio 
>to be output. Eventually, your system will > 
>begin making heavy use of the Virtual memory and 
>memory pages. At some point > enough memory will 
>be used where Windows will need to begin 
>closing > applications to recover memory so that 
>the system can continue to operate. > When 
>Windows unexpectedly closes application 
>processes an application will > either 
>gracefully quit or an application may crash. For 
>example, the > Microsoft Teams software will 
>often crash, whereas Google Chrome may simply > 
>exit gracefully. No crash dumps are generally 
>generated when these symptoms > occur. > > 
>Troubleshoot: To troubleshoot your system, run 
>the msinfo32 app and tab to > the system summary 
>of information and if you find that the amount 
>of > available physical memory is less than 2 
>GB, typically as low as 850 MB of > available 
>memory, and if the system is using a large 
>amount of virtual > memory as much as 3 to 4 
>times your physical amount of memory, and your 
>page > file space is significantly greater than 
>it usually is when you first boot > up the 
>machine, then it is very likely you have this 
>issue. You can check > this by rebooting your 
>system and then load msinfo32. Examine the 
>memory > values that are listed under Summary. 
>Once you know your startup values you > can use 
>the machine for 3 or 4 hours. After that time, 
>if you examine the > same msinfo32 information 
>and you find you have little memory left or > 
>unexpectedly large amounts of memory is being 
>used when you have almost no > 3rd party apps 
>running, then you likely have this issue. > > 
>For example, for a typical system with 16GB of 
>physical RAM we would expect > Windows 10 to 
>bootup and have all services running with around 
>12.8 GB of > RAM available of use. The total 
>Virtual memory would typically be 18GB of > RAM 
>with the available virtual memory of 14.8GB and 
>a Page file space of > 2.8GB. If after 8 hours 
>of use we close all applications and reexamine 
>the > msinfo32 summary information we should 
>find the memory values to be near the > values 
>we had when we first booted up. It may be a 
>little bit lower but if > you have the issue 
>described here then you would find the amount of 
>physical > memory to be less than 1GB of RAM and 
>the total Virtual Memory to be 48GB or > greater 
>and the amount of Page file space to be more 
>than 8GB. We have seen > that Windows can have 
>significant performance issues and even will 
>begin > closing apps in as little as 2 hours of 
>use. This largely depends on how > much one is 
>using the machine. > > Cause: The issue is not 
>an issue directly caused by the accessibility > 
>software or by audio software like Teams. It is 
>actually caused by the Waves > Max Audio 
>Service. We are in discussion with the 
>manufacturer to see what > can be done. But, for 
>now, there is no good solution that Vispero 
>can > programmatically implement in our software 
>which solves the problem. Intel > will need to 
>implement a solution on their end. Fortunately, 
>the Waves Max > Audio Service is not essential 
>to the functioning of your computer’s > 
>audio. Applicaications, including screen readers 
>and low vision software and > other 3rd party 
>applications that use audio can make use of the 
>Realtek > audio device without the use of the 
>Sound Maxx Audio Service. > > Workaround 
>Solution: Follow the Solution section above to 
>prevent the Waves > MaxxAudio Service 
>Application from starting when the computer 
>turns on. > > The following command line is 
>another option to temporarily end the Waves > 
>MaxxAudio Service until the next reboot if you 
>still want the service to > automatically start 
>up when the computer turns on: > >   1.  Open 
>cmd.exe as an elevated 
>Administrator. >   2.  Type the following 
>command: “taskkill /F /IM 
>Wavessvc64.exexe† and > press ENTER. > > > 
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