From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Tue Nov 1 15:33:27 2022 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2022 15:33:27 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] General Attorney Job Posting - Region 10 Office, The Office of the General Counsel Seattle U.S. Department of Health & Human Services In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: https://www.hhs.gov/about/agencies/ogc/careers/open-opportunities/index.html#ga-ogc-reg10 General Attorney Job Posting - Region 10 Office, The Office of the General Counsel (OGC) (Seattle, WA) The Office of the General Counsel (OGC) at the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) is currently seeking applications for General Attorney positions in its Region 10 office. Who May Apply: This vacancy announcement is open to all U.S. citizens and may be used to fill multiple positions. DUTY STATION: Seattle, WA PAY SCALE: GS-0905 - 11/12/13/14 SALARY RANGE: $73,098 - $160,047 OPEN PERIOD: October 28, 2022 - until filled; applications will be reviewed on a rolling basis, starting November 28, 2022. JOB SUMMARY: The Office of the General Counsel is the legal team for HHS, providing quality representation and legal advice on a wide range of highly visible national issues. OGC supports the development and implementation of the Department's programs by providing the highest quality legal services to the Secretary of HHS and the organization's various agencies and divisions. The Office of the General Counsel (OGC) at the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) is seeking an attorney to join its office in Seattle, Washington (also referred to as Region 10 or Region X) The Seattle office provides comprehensive litigation services (both administrative and judicial litigation), legal advice, counseling, and negotiation services to the Department, with an emphasis on services to those HHS agencies that have staff present in the Region 10 states of Alaska, Idaho, Oregon, and Washington. Primary legal services involve Medicare enforcement actions and grant disallowances appealable to the Departmental Appeals Board, programs and services provided through the Indian Health Service in Alaska and Portland Areas, contracts and compacts under the Indian Self-Determination and Education Assistance Act (ISDEAA), employment and information law matters, and Medicare and Medicaid financing, and bankruptcy. We have a diverse and collegial office with eight (8) attorneys and two administrative legal resources staff. Attorneys are expected to work independently and as a team with more than 500 OGC colleagues around the nation. As set out in Executive Order 14035, the office strives to cultivate a workforce that draws from the full diversity of the Nation, and to be a model for diversity, equity, inclusion, and accessibility, where all employees are treated with dignity and respect. OGC is committed to creating a diverse environment and is proud to be an equal opportunity employer. All qualified applicants will receive consideration for employment without regard to race, color, religion, gender, gender identity or expression, sexual orientation, national origin, genetics, disability, age, or veteran status. OGC is also committed to compliance with all fair employment practices regarding citizenship and immigration status. For additional information about OGC's mission, please visit our website at: http://www.hhs.gov/ogc/index.html For additional information about the Federal pay scale, leave, and benefits, please visit: https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/pay-leave/pay-systems/general-schedule/ and https://www.hhs.gov/about/agencies/ogc/careers/benefits-and-programs/index.html. DUTIES: This is a General Attorney position in the OGC-Region X office, located in Seattle, Washington. * The incumbent may be asked to serve any of the client agencies within HHS. Attorneys in OGC-Region X provide legal advice and litigation support to the Department in complex matters requiring extensive research and sophisticated analysis of administrative law, judicial decisions, and statutes and regulations. Attorneys must be competent in a wide range of legal skills, including analytical and problem-solving skills; experience preparing legal briefs and/or memoranda; experience in applying statutes, regulations, and policies; experience providing oral and written advice; and the ability to relate effectively with clients (in-person and remote). Attorneys are expected to do their own legal research and writing and be substantially self-sufficient in preparing day-to-day correspondence and pleadings. QUALIFICATIONS REQUIRED: Your resume, cover letter, and supporting documentation will be used to determine whether you meet the position qualifications listed in this announcement. Salary will be commensurate with education and experience. Preference may be given to individuals who qualify at GS-12 or higher. The following are required qualifications: * A Juris Doctorate (J.D.) from an accredited ABA law school. * Proof that bar status is active, in good standing and eligible to practice in the highest court of a State, U. S. commonwealth, U. S. territory, or the District of Columbia. * Applicants must have strong written and oral communication skills; the ability to analyze complex issues; skill and experience working collaboratively and productively with individuals with diverse backgrounds and experiences; organizational skills; professional judgment; initiative; and the ability to handle multiple projects, activities, and issues simultaneously. * Applicants must possess digital literacy skills (the skills required to use technology safely, effectively and responsibly.) The duties of the position require using a government-furnished computer, using email and word processing systems, electronic court filing, reviewing and editing documents, and participating in meetings and conference calls which may be digital (i.e. Zoom, WebEx, MS Teams, etc.) or in person. * Applicants must have a demonstrated capacity to function, with minimal guidance, in a highly demanding environment both independently and as members of coordinated intra- and inter-agency teams, while maintaining a demonstrated commitment to professionalism, ethics, civility, and public service. CONDITIONS OF EMPLOYMENT: * Must maintain active bar membership in good standing and the eligibility to practice law in the highest court of a state, territory, Commonwealth, or the District of Columbia throughout employment in the Office of the General Counsel. * Upon final job offer from HHS Office Human Resources (OHR), the successful candidate must submit official law school transcripts. * Security and Background Requirements: If not previously completed, a background security investigation will be required for all appointees. Appointment will be subject to the applicant's successful completion of a background security investigation and favorable adjudication. Failure to successfully meet these requirements may be grounds for appropriate personnel action. In addition, if hired, a background security reinvestigation or supplemental investigation may be required at a later time. Applicants are also advised that all information concerning qualifications is subject to investigation. False representation may be grounds for non-consideration, non- selection and/or appropriate disciplinary action. * E-Verify: If you are selected for this position, the documentation that you present for purposes of completing the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Form I-9 will be verified through the DHS "E-Verify" System. Federal law requires DHS to use the E-Verify System to verify employment eligibility of all new hires and as a condition of continued employment obligates the new hire to take affirmative steps to resolve any discrepancies identified by the system. The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services is an E-Verify Participant. * Direct Deposit: All Federal employees are required to have Federal salary payments made by direct deposit to a financial institution of their choosing. * All qualification requirements must be met by the closing date of the announcement. * Financial disclosure statement may be required. * Two-year trial period may be required. * Travel, transportation, and relocation expenses will not be paid. * This position may be in a bargaining unit. * Multiple selections may be made from this announcement. In accordance with Executive Order 12564 of September 14, 1986, The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) is A Drug-Free Federal Workplace. The Federal government, as the largest employer in the Nation, can and should show the way towards achieving drug-free workplaces through programs designed to offer drug users a helping hand, and at the same time demonstrating to drug users and potential drug users that drugs will not be tolerated in the Federal workplace. The use of illegal drugs, on or off duty, by Federal employees is inconsistent not only with the law-abiding behavior expected of all citizens, but also with the special trust placed in such employees as servants of the public. Applicants tentatively selected for this position may be required to submit to urinalysis to screen for illegal drug use prior to appointment and be subject to reasonable suspicion and post-accident drug testing upon hiring. If required to submit to urinalysis, the appointment to the position will be contingent upon a negative applicant drug test result. In order to demonstrate commitment to the HHS goal of a drug-free workplace and to set an example for other Federal employees, employees not in a testing designated position may volunteer for unannounced random testing by notifying their Drug-free Federal Workplace Program Point of Contact upon hiring. INSTRUCTIONS TO APPLY: Please submit the following documents to OGCR10-Hiring at hhs.gov using the subject line "General Attorney Advisor" in the forwarding email. To receive full consideration, submit all materials as soon as possible; applications will be reviewed on an on-going basis until filled: * Provide a cover letter of no more than 2-pages addressing the required competencies to: * Pamela Parker (she/her) Office of the General Counsel, Suite 1620 U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Region 10 701 Fifth Avenue, Suite 1600, MS/10 Seattle, WA 98104 * Legal writing sample(s) that highlights your analytical and writing skills (max of 10 pages, excerpts permitted) * Resume * If you are a current Federal employee, please provide a copy of your last performance appraisal. * Names and contact information for at least three professional references (we will discuss before contacting) From tim at timeldermusic.com Tue Nov 1 15:41:27 2022 From: tim at timeldermusic.com (tim at timeldermusic.com) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2022 08:41:27 -0700 Subject: [blindLaw] Accommodations for bar exam In-Reply-To: References: <76013167-E6F9-4CCE-835B-9B247D65937D@icloud.com> <338fe501a9d4488eab5b51b7e21e2abb@cov.com> Message-ID: <062a01d8ee08$6848cc20$38da6460$@timeldermusic.com> We have litigated several cases to establish the right to take the bar exam in an electronic format with a screen reader. You should report any refusal to grant that request immediately. There is a long string cite of cases supporting the view that bar exams must be offered in accessible electronic formats. -----Original Message----- From: Sanho Steele-Louchart Sent: Monday, October 31, 2022 7:09 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Accommodations for bar exam Ugh. Disappointing, but not surprising, to hear that James had the polar opposite experience than I did. I wonder if the board of bar examiners pulled my accommodation documentation directly from my school. I suspect I signed a release of information somewhere along the way. In response to Nikki's scantron issue, I just typed my answers in a Word document that was saved onto a USB and filled out for me after the exam was finished. The essay answers were saved and submitted just as though they'd been hand-written. Warmth, Sanho On 10/31/22, Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw wrote: > Lauren, > > I second James' documentation recommendations. Demonstrating a history > of using what is for you a standard set of accommodations usually goes > a long way (excluding the LSAC) in convincing the powers that be to > approve accommodation requests. At this point, I am not quite > remembering my process when I was working on getting accommodations > for NY. I imagine some forms were involved, with a place to submit > extra documentation. I also remained in close email contact with > whoever was the testing accommodations coordinator. That individual > was fantastic and really helped things go > smoothly: my accommodations were approved, and aside for a completely > random family emergency the day before, the exam days went well. I had > an electronic exam, probably Word or HTML. I could use JAWS on my own > laptop. I also used a Braille note taker to write out essays that I > uploaded to a Word document via a card reader and memory card. I > believe that the oddest item was having to announce my answers to my > proctor/scribe, but it was not a big deal, as I had to do this for the > MPRE. The proctor, as Sanho similarly described, got up from her chair > from time to time to check that I was not doing anything untoward. > Most of the time, she read a novel or worked on a crossword to pass the many hours in the exam room. > > Regards, > Nikki > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of James Fetter > via BlindLaw > Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2022 11:46 PM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: James Fetter > Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Accommodations for bar exam > > [EXTERNAL] > > Lauren, > I would suggest doing the following ASAP: > 1. Gather all, and I do mean all, proof of accommodations you received > on prior standardized tests, in college and law school, and whatever > else they ask for. > 2. Find someone you trust to help fill out inaccessible forms. Is this > remotely fair or ADA compliant? No. Do boards of law examiners care? > Also no. > 3. Include in your application a letter detailing your requested > accommodations and justifying each with reference to accommodations > you received in the past. > 4. Read, very carefully, any correspondence from your state board. And > push back hard, if they don’t give you what you need to do your best. > You absolutely should get an accessible electronic exam/Jaws and the > ability to write essays on your computer, but your MBE answers will > likely be recorded by a scribe. This is pretty standard. > Good luck! I went through the accommodations process in two different > states. I still have PTSD from the Kafkaesque process in one of these > states. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 30, 2022, at 8:53 PM, Lauren Bishop via BlindLaw >> wrote: >> >> Good evening All, >> Have any of you had success with advocating for an accessible >> electronic version of your bar exam, and the ability to use jaws? I >> was looking at the Florida accommodations petition, and I noticed >> that the only formats that they listed or braille, large, print, or >> audio CD. The petition doesn’t say anything about the use of a screen >> reader, and, although I am proficient in braille, I need to be able >> to type my essays because I’ve never worked with a scribe before. >> Also, I use jaws more than I use braille, and in past standardized, test administrations, I have use the >> screen reader to take the test. I’m also noticing that none of the >> petition documents are fillable I a person using a screen reader. >> If any of you have information regarding this, I would really >> appreciate it. >> Lauren. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yaho >> o.com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/nsingh%40cov.com > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sanho817%40gmail > .com > -- He/Him From rodalcidonis at gmail.com Tue Nov 1 16:02:49 2022 From: rodalcidonis at gmail.com (rodalcidonis at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2022 12:02:49 -0400 Subject: [blindLaw] Accommodations for bar exam In-Reply-To: <062a01d8ee08$6848cc20$38da6460$@timeldermusic.com> References: <76013167-E6F9-4CCE-835B-9B247D65937D@icloud.com> <338fe501a9d4488eab5b51b7e21e2abb@cov.com> <062a01d8ee08$6848cc20$38da6460$@timeldermusic.com> Message-ID: <000c01d8ee0b$64578d60$2d06a820$@gmail.com> Everyone has given you great advice. This is unfortunate that this issue is still relevant now in 2022. I sat for two bar exams and for both, I was permitted to use a laptop, with the questions provided to me in an accessible format, and with permission to use a private room with assigned propter. It is all about the justification you provide to the bar examiner. If you would like a point of reference -- this was permitted in Pennsylvania and in New Jersey, the states where I am licensed. Good luck advocating. I know this is frustrating. Try to Stay focus to preserve your energy to prepare for the exam while you are dealing with the appeal process. Rod, Rod Alcidonis -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Tim Elder via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2022 11:41 AM To: 'Sanho Steele-Louchart' ; 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: tim at timeldermusic.com Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Accommodations for bar exam We have litigated several cases to establish the right to take the bar exam in an electronic format with a screen reader. You should report any refusal to grant that request immediately. There is a long string cite of cases supporting the view that bar exams must be offered in accessible electronic formats. -----Original Message----- From: Sanho Steele-Louchart Sent: Monday, October 31, 2022 7:09 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Accommodations for bar exam Ugh. Disappointing, but not surprising, to hear that James had the polar opposite experience than I did. I wonder if the board of bar examiners pulled my accommodation documentation directly from my school. I suspect I signed a release of information somewhere along the way. In response to Nikki's scantron issue, I just typed my answers in a Word document that was saved onto a USB and filled out for me after the exam was finished. The essay answers were saved and submitted just as though they'd been hand-written. Warmth, Sanho On 10/31/22, Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw wrote: > Lauren, > > I second James' documentation recommendations. Demonstrating a history > of using what is for you a standard set of accommodations usually goes > a long way (excluding the LSAC) in convincing the powers that be to > approve accommodation requests. At this point, I am not quite > remembering my process when I was working on getting accommodations > for NY. I imagine some forms were involved, with a place to submit > extra documentation. I also remained in close email contact with > whoever was the testing accommodations coordinator. That individual > was fantastic and really helped things go > smoothly: my accommodations were approved, and aside for a completely > random family emergency the day before, the exam days went well. I had > an electronic exam, probably Word or HTML. I could use JAWS on my own > laptop. I also used a Braille note taker to write out essays that I > uploaded to a Word document via a card reader and memory card. I > believe that the oddest item was having to announce my answers to my > proctor/scribe, but it was not a big deal, as I had to do this for the > MPRE. The proctor, as Sanho similarly described, got up from her chair > from time to time to check that I was not doing anything untoward. > Most of the time, she read a novel or worked on a crossword to pass the many hours in the exam room. > > Regards, > Nikki > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of James Fetter > via BlindLaw > Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2022 11:46 PM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: James Fetter > Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Accommodations for bar exam > > [EXTERNAL] > > Lauren, > I would suggest doing the following ASAP: > 1. Gather all, and I do mean all, proof of accommodations you received > on prior standardized tests, in college and law school, and whatever > else they ask for. > 2. Find someone you trust to help fill out inaccessible forms. Is this > remotely fair or ADA compliant? No. Do boards of law examiners care? > Also no. > 3. Include in your application a letter detailing your requested > accommodations and justifying each with reference to accommodations > you received in the past. > 4. Read, very carefully, any correspondence from your state board. And > push back hard, if they don’t give you what you need to do your best. > You absolutely should get an accessible electronic exam/Jaws and the > ability to write essays on your computer, but your MBE answers will > likely be recorded by a scribe. This is pretty standard. > Good luck! I went through the accommodations process in two different > states. I still have PTSD from the Kafkaesque process in one of these > states. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 30, 2022, at 8:53 PM, Lauren Bishop via BlindLaw >> wrote: >> >> Good evening All, >> Have any of you had success with advocating for an accessible >> electronic version of your bar exam, and the ability to use jaws? I >> was looking at the Florida accommodations petition, and I noticed >> that the only formats that they listed or braille, large, print, or >> audio CD. The petition doesn’t say anything about the use of a screen >> reader, and, although I am proficient in braille, I need to be able >> to type my essays because I’ve never worked with a scribe before. >> Also, I use jaws more than I use braille, and in past standardized, test administrations, I have use the >> screen reader to take the test. I’m also noticing that none of the >> petition documents are fillable I a person using a screen reader. >> If any of you have information regarding this, I would really >> appreciate it. >> Lauren. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yaho >> o.com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/nsingh%40cov.com > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sanho817%40gmail > .com > -- He/Him _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rodalcidonis%40gmail.com From jtfetter at yahoo.com Tue Nov 1 16:15:05 2022 From: jtfetter at yahoo.com (James Fetter) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2022 12:15:05 -0400 Subject: [blindLaw] Accommodations for bar exam In-Reply-To: <062a01d8ee08$6848cc20$38da6460$@timeldermusic.com> References: <062a01d8ee08$6848cc20$38da6460$@timeldermusic.com> Message-ID: <65310EB6-4019-4D6A-BC4B-2C6779A3900A@yahoo.com> Have you litigated—or are you aware of—any cases related to accessibility barriers and/or unnecessarily burdensome documentation requirements inthe accommodations process itself or other parts of the bar application (e.g. an inaccessible character and fitness application)? I could see standing being an issue, if the request for accommodations is approved, but it is problematic that some state boards have created so many unnecessary accessibility barriers to aspiring blind attorneys. from my iPhone > On Nov 1, 2022, at 11:43 AM, Tim Elder via BlindLaw wrote: > > We have litigated several cases to establish the right to take the bar exam in an electronic format with a screen reader. You should report any refusal to grant that request immediately. There is a long string cite of cases supporting the view that bar exams must be offered in accessible electronic formats. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sanho Steele-Louchart > Sent: Monday, October 31, 2022 7:09 AM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Accommodations for bar exam > > Ugh. Disappointing, but not surprising, to hear that James had the polar opposite experience than I did. I wonder if the board of bar examiners pulled my accommodation documentation directly from my school. I suspect I signed a release of information somewhere along the way. In response to Nikki's scantron issue, I just typed my answers in a Word document that was saved onto a USB and filled out for me after the exam was finished. The essay answers were saved and submitted just as though they'd been hand-written. > > Warmth, > Sanho > >> On 10/31/22, Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw wrote: >> Lauren, >> >> I second James' documentation recommendations. Demonstrating a history >> of using what is for you a standard set of accommodations usually goes >> a long way (excluding the LSAC) in convincing the powers that be to >> approve accommodation requests. At this point, I am not quite >> remembering my process when I was working on getting accommodations >> for NY. I imagine some forms were involved, with a place to submit >> extra documentation. I also remained in close email contact with >> whoever was the testing accommodations coordinator. That individual >> was fantastic and really helped things go >> smoothly: my accommodations were approved, and aside for a completely >> random family emergency the day before, the exam days went well. I had >> an electronic exam, probably Word or HTML. I could use JAWS on my own >> laptop. I also used a Braille note taker to write out essays that I >> uploaded to a Word document via a card reader and memory card. I >> believe that the oddest item was having to announce my answers to my >> proctor/scribe, but it was not a big deal, as I had to do this for the >> MPRE. The proctor, as Sanho similarly described, got up from her chair >> from time to time to check that I was not doing anything untoward. >> Most of the time, she read a novel or worked on a crossword to pass the many hours in the exam room. >> >> Regards, >> Nikki >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of James Fetter >> via BlindLaw >> Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2022 11:46 PM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Cc: James Fetter >> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Accommodations for bar exam >> >> [EXTERNAL] >> >> Lauren, >> I would suggest doing the following ASAP: >> 1. Gather all, and I do mean all, proof of accommodations you received >> on prior standardized tests, in college and law school, and whatever >> else they ask for. >> 2. Find someone you trust to help fill out inaccessible forms. Is this >> remotely fair or ADA compliant? No. Do boards of law examiners care? >> Also no. >> 3. Include in your application a letter detailing your requested >> accommodations and justifying each with reference to accommodations >> you received in the past. >> 4. Read, very carefully, any correspondence from your state board. And >> push back hard, if they don’t give you what you need to do your best. >> You absolutely should get an accessible electronic exam/Jaws and the >> ability to write essays on your computer, but your MBE answers will >> likely be recorded by a scribe. This is pretty standard. >> Good luck! I went through the accommodations process in two different >> states. I still have PTSD from the Kafkaesque process in one of these >> states. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Oct 30, 2022, at 8:53 PM, Lauren Bishop via BlindLaw >>> wrote: >>> >>> Good evening All, >>> Have any of you had success with advocating for an accessible >>> electronic version of your bar exam, and the ability to use jaws? I >>> was looking at the Florida accommodations petition, and I noticed >>> that the only formats that they listed or braille, large, print, or >>> audio CD. The petition doesn’t say anything about the use of a screen >>> reader, and, although I am proficient in braille, I need to be able >>> to type my essays because I’ve never worked with a scribe before. >>> Also, I use jaws more than I use braille, and in past standardized, test administrations, I have use the >>> screen reader to take the test. I’m also noticing that none of the >>> petition documents are fillable I a person using a screen reader. >>> If any of you have information regarding this, I would really >>> appreciate it. >>> Lauren. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yaho >>> o.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/nsingh%40cov.com >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sanho817%40gmail >> .com >> > > > -- > He/Him > > > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yahoo.com From kaybaycar at gmail.com Tue Nov 1 17:26:27 2022 From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2022 13:26:27 -0400 Subject: [blindLaw] Accommodations for bar exam In-Reply-To: <65310EB6-4019-4D6A-BC4B-2C6779A3900A@yahoo.com> References: <062a01d8ee08$6848cc20$38da6460$@timeldermusic.com> <65310EB6-4019-4D6A-BC4B-2C6779A3900A@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Lauren, I'm reading this thread with interest as I also plan to take the Bar in February of 2024. My plan is to meet with our Office of Academic Excellence in the spring and discuss everything Bar exam with them. I have been told they will help me get everything I need for my accommodations request. Is there an office at school that might help you fill out inaccessible forms/gather materials? Good luck! Julie On 11/1/22, James Fetter via BlindLaw wrote: > Have you litigated—or are you aware of—any cases related to accessibility > barriers and/or unnecessarily burdensome documentation requirements inthe > accommodations process itself or other parts of the bar application (e.g. an > inaccessible character and fitness application)? I could see standing being > an issue, if the request for accommodations is approved, but it is > problematic that some state boards have created so many unnecessary > accessibility barriers to aspiring blind attorneys. > > from my iPhone > >> On Nov 1, 2022, at 11:43 AM, Tim Elder via BlindLaw >> wrote: >> >> We have litigated several cases to establish the right to take the bar >> exam in an electronic format with a screen reader. You should report any >> refusal to grant that request immediately. There is a long string cite of >> cases supporting the view that bar exams must be offered in accessible >> electronic formats. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Sanho Steele-Louchart >> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2022 7:09 AM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Accommodations for bar exam >> >> Ugh. Disappointing, but not surprising, to hear that James had the polar >> opposite experience than I did. I wonder if the board of bar examiners >> pulled my accommodation documentation directly from my school. I suspect I >> signed a release of information somewhere along the way. In response to >> Nikki's scantron issue, I just typed my answers in a Word document that >> was saved onto a USB and filled out for me after the exam was finished. >> The essay answers were saved and submitted just as though they'd been >> hand-written. >> >> Warmth, >> Sanho >> >>> On 10/31/22, Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw wrote: >>> Lauren, >>> >>> I second James' documentation recommendations. Demonstrating a history >>> of using what is for you a standard set of accommodations usually goes >>> a long way (excluding the LSAC) in convincing the powers that be to >>> approve accommodation requests. At this point, I am not quite >>> remembering my process when I was working on getting accommodations >>> for NY. I imagine some forms were involved, with a place to submit >>> extra documentation. I also remained in close email contact with >>> whoever was the testing accommodations coordinator. That individual >>> was fantastic and really helped things go >>> smoothly: my accommodations were approved, and aside for a completely >>> random family emergency the day before, the exam days went well. I had >>> an electronic exam, probably Word or HTML. I could use JAWS on my own >>> laptop. I also used a Braille note taker to write out essays that I >>> uploaded to a Word document via a card reader and memory card. I >>> believe that the oddest item was having to announce my answers to my >>> proctor/scribe, but it was not a big deal, as I had to do this for the >>> MPRE. The proctor, as Sanho similarly described, got up from her chair >>> from time to time to check that I was not doing anything untoward. >>> Most of the time, she read a novel or worked on a crossword to pass the >>> many hours in the exam room. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Nikki >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of James Fetter >>> via BlindLaw >>> Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2022 11:46 PM >>> To: Blind Law Mailing List >>> Cc: James Fetter >>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Accommodations for bar exam >>> >>> [EXTERNAL] >>> >>> Lauren, >>> I would suggest doing the following ASAP: >>> 1. Gather all, and I do mean all, proof of accommodations you received >>> on prior standardized tests, in college and law school, and whatever >>> else they ask for. >>> 2. Find someone you trust to help fill out inaccessible forms. Is this >>> remotely fair or ADA compliant? No. Do boards of law examiners care? >>> Also no. >>> 3. Include in your application a letter detailing your requested >>> accommodations and justifying each with reference to accommodations >>> you received in the past. >>> 4. Read, very carefully, any correspondence from your state board. And >>> push back hard, if they don’t give you what you need to do your best. >>> You absolutely should get an accessible electronic exam/Jaws and the >>> ability to write essays on your computer, but your MBE answers will >>> likely be recorded by a scribe. This is pretty standard. >>> Good luck! I went through the accommodations process in two different >>> states. I still have PTSD from the Kafkaesque process in one of these >>> states. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Oct 30, 2022, at 8:53 PM, Lauren Bishop via BlindLaw >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Good evening All, >>>> Have any of you had success with advocating for an accessible >>>> electronic version of your bar exam, and the ability to use jaws? I >>>> was looking at the Florida accommodations petition, and I noticed >>>> that the only formats that they listed or braille, large, print, or >>>> audio CD. The petition doesn’t say anything about the use of a screen >>>> reader, and, although I am proficient in braille, I need to be able >>>> to type my essays because I’ve never worked with a scribe before. >>>> Also, I use jaws more than I use braille, and in past standardized, test >>>> administrations, I have use the >>>> screen reader to take the test. I’m also noticing that none of the >>>> petition documents are fillable I a person using a screen reader. >>>> If any of you have information regarding this, I would really >>>> appreciate it. >>>> Lauren. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> BlindLaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yaho >>>> o.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/nsingh%40cov.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sanho817%40gmail >>> .com >>> >> >> >> -- >> He/Him >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com > -- Julie A. McGinnity MM Vocal Performance, 2015; American University Washington College of Law, JD Candidate 2023 From rodalcidonis at gmail.com Tue Nov 1 18:25:34 2022 From: rodalcidonis at gmail.com (rodalcidonis at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2022 14:25:34 -0400 Subject: [blindLaw] Accommodations for bar exam In-Reply-To: References: <062a01d8ee08$6848cc20$38da6460$@timeldermusic.com> <65310EB6-4019-4D6A-BC4B-2C6779A3900A@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003801d8ee1f$55663c70$0032b550$@gmail.com> Julie: Please don't take this the wrong way. I would suggest that you take ownership of the process from the Get-go, while using the assistance as no more than another resource at your disposal. As you can tell, the process can be unpredictable in many jurisdictions, so you want to be sure that you are the one driving the train at all times. Good luck to everyone preparing to sit for the bar exam in the near future. Stay positive and don't be discouraged by those temporary setbacks. Rod, -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Julie McGinnity via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2022 1:26 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Julie McGinnity Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Accommodations for bar exam Hi Lauren, I'm reading this thread with interest as I also plan to take the Bar in February of 2024. My plan is to meet with our Office of Academic Excellence in the spring and discuss everything Bar exam with them. I have been told they will help me get everything I need for my accommodations request. Is there an office at school that might help you fill out inaccessible forms/gather materials? Good luck! Julie On 11/1/22, James Fetter via BlindLaw wrote: > Have you litigated—or are you aware of—any cases related to > accessibility barriers and/or unnecessarily burdensome documentation > requirements inthe accommodations process itself or other parts of the > bar application (e.g. an inaccessible character and fitness > application)? I could see standing being an issue, if the request for > accommodations is approved, but it is problematic that some state > boards have created so many unnecessary accessibility barriers to aspiring blind attorneys. > > from my iPhone > >> On Nov 1, 2022, at 11:43 AM, Tim Elder via BlindLaw >> >> wrote: >> >> We have litigated several cases to establish the right to take the >> bar exam in an electronic format with a screen reader. You should >> report any refusal to grant that request immediately. There is a >> long string cite of cases supporting the view that bar exams must be >> offered in accessible electronic formats. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Sanho Steele-Louchart >> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2022 7:09 AM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Accommodations for bar exam >> >> Ugh. Disappointing, but not surprising, to hear that James had the >> polar opposite experience than I did. I wonder if the board of bar >> examiners pulled my accommodation documentation directly from my >> school. I suspect I signed a release of information somewhere along >> the way. In response to Nikki's scantron issue, I just typed my >> answers in a Word document that was saved onto a USB and filled out for me after the exam was finished. >> The essay answers were saved and submitted just as though they'd been >> hand-written. >> >> Warmth, >> Sanho >> >>> On 10/31/22, Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw wrote: >>> Lauren, >>> >>> I second James' documentation recommendations. Demonstrating a >>> history of using what is for you a standard set of accommodations >>> usually goes a long way (excluding the LSAC) in convincing the >>> powers that be to approve accommodation requests. At this point, I >>> am not quite remembering my process when I was working on getting >>> accommodations for NY. I imagine some forms were involved, with a >>> place to submit extra documentation. I also remained in close email >>> contact with whoever was the testing accommodations coordinator. >>> That individual was fantastic and really helped things go >>> smoothly: my accommodations were approved, and aside for a >>> completely random family emergency the day before, the exam days >>> went well. I had an electronic exam, probably Word or HTML. I could >>> use JAWS on my own laptop. I also used a Braille note taker to write >>> out essays that I uploaded to a Word document via a card reader and >>> memory card. I believe that the oddest item was having to announce >>> my answers to my proctor/scribe, but it was not a big deal, as I had >>> to do this for the MPRE. The proctor, as Sanho similarly described, >>> got up from her chair from time to time to check that I was not doing anything untoward. >>> Most of the time, she read a novel or worked on a crossword to pass >>> the many hours in the exam room. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Nikki >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of James >>> Fetter via BlindLaw >>> Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2022 11:46 PM >>> To: Blind Law Mailing List >>> Cc: James Fetter >>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Accommodations for bar exam >>> >>> [EXTERNAL] >>> >>> Lauren, >>> I would suggest doing the following ASAP: >>> 1. Gather all, and I do mean all, proof of accommodations you >>> received on prior standardized tests, in college and law school, and >>> whatever else they ask for. >>> 2. Find someone you trust to help fill out inaccessible forms. Is >>> this remotely fair or ADA compliant? No. Do boards of law examiners care? >>> Also no. >>> 3. Include in your application a letter detailing your requested >>> accommodations and justifying each with reference to accommodations >>> you received in the past. >>> 4. Read, very carefully, any correspondence from your state board. >>> And push back hard, if they don’t give you what you need to do your best. >>> You absolutely should get an accessible electronic exam/Jaws and the >>> ability to write essays on your computer, but your MBE answers will >>> likely be recorded by a scribe. This is pretty standard. >>> Good luck! I went through the accommodations process in two >>> different states. I still have PTSD from the Kafkaesque process in >>> one of these states. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Oct 30, 2022, at 8:53 PM, Lauren Bishop via BlindLaw >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Good evening All, >>>> Have any of you had success with advocating for an accessible >>>> electronic version of your bar exam, and the ability to use jaws? I >>>> was looking at the Florida accommodations petition, and I noticed >>>> that the only formats that they listed or braille, large, print, or >>>> audio CD. The petition doesn’t say anything about the use of a >>>> screen reader, and, although I am proficient in braille, I need to >>>> be able to type my essays because I’ve never worked with a scribe before. >>>> Also, I use jaws more than I use braille, and in past standardized, >>>> test administrations, I have use the >>>> screen reader to take the test. I’m also noticing that none of the >>>> petition documents are fillable I a person using a screen reader. >>>> If any of you have information regarding this, I would really >>>> appreciate it. >>>> Lauren. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> BlindLaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40ya >>>> ho >>>> o.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/nsingh%40cov.c >>> om _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sanho817%40gma >>> il >>> .com >>> >> >> >> -- >> He/Him >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yaho >> o.com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmai > l.com > -- Julie A. McGinnity MM Vocal Performance, 2015; American University Washington College of Law, JD Candidate 2023 _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rodalcidonis%40gmail.com From tim at timeldermusic.com Tue Nov 1 20:55:36 2022 From: tim at timeldermusic.com (tim at timeldermusic.com) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2022 13:55:36 -0700 Subject: [blindLaw] Accommodations for bar exam In-Reply-To: <65310EB6-4019-4D6A-BC4B-2C6779A3900A@yahoo.com> References: <062a01d8ee08$6848cc20$38da6460$@timeldermusic.com> <65310EB6-4019-4D6A-BC4B-2C6779A3900A@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001801d8ee34$4b2510a0$e16f31e0$@timeldermusic.com> I recall that this issue was a part of the LSAC consent decree in California. The burdensome documentation and unreasonable timelines issue comes up a lot in the testing cases involving learning disabilities, not that it isn't also a problem for all disabled people. -----Original Message----- From: James Fetter Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2022 9:15 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Sanho Steele-Louchart ; tim at timeldermusic.com Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Accommodations for bar exam Have you litigated—or are you aware of—any cases related to accessibility barriers and/or unnecessarily burdensome documentation requirements inthe accommodations process itself or other parts of the bar application (e.g. an inaccessible character and fitness application)? I could see standing being an issue, if the request for accommodations is approved, but it is problematic that some state boards have created so many unnecessary accessibility barriers to aspiring blind attorneys. from my iPhone > On Nov 1, 2022, at 11:43 AM, Tim Elder via BlindLaw wrote: > > We have litigated several cases to establish the right to take the bar exam in an electronic format with a screen reader. You should report any refusal to grant that request immediately. There is a long string cite of cases supporting the view that bar exams must be offered in accessible electronic formats. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sanho Steele-Louchart > Sent: Monday, October 31, 2022 7:09 AM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Accommodations for bar exam > > Ugh. Disappointing, but not surprising, to hear that James had the polar opposite experience than I did. I wonder if the board of bar examiners pulled my accommodation documentation directly from my school. I suspect I signed a release of information somewhere along the way. In response to Nikki's scantron issue, I just typed my answers in a Word document that was saved onto a USB and filled out for me after the exam was finished. The essay answers were saved and submitted just as though they'd been hand-written. > > Warmth, > Sanho > >> On 10/31/22, Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw wrote: >> Lauren, >> >> I second James' documentation recommendations. Demonstrating a >> history of using what is for you a standard set of accommodations >> usually goes a long way (excluding the LSAC) in convincing the powers >> that be to approve accommodation requests. At this point, I am not >> quite remembering my process when I was working on getting >> accommodations for NY. I imagine some forms were involved, with a >> place to submit extra documentation. I also remained in close email >> contact with whoever was the testing accommodations coordinator. That >> individual was fantastic and really helped things go >> smoothly: my accommodations were approved, and aside for a completely >> random family emergency the day before, the exam days went well. I >> had an electronic exam, probably Word or HTML. I could use JAWS on my >> own laptop. I also used a Braille note taker to write out essays that >> I uploaded to a Word document via a card reader and memory card. I >> believe that the oddest item was having to announce my answers to my >> proctor/scribe, but it was not a big deal, as I had to do this for >> the MPRE. The proctor, as Sanho similarly described, got up from her >> chair from time to time to check that I was not doing anything untoward. >> Most of the time, she read a novel or worked on a crossword to pass the many hours in the exam room. >> >> Regards, >> Nikki >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of James >> Fetter via BlindLaw >> Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2022 11:46 PM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Cc: James Fetter >> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Accommodations for bar exam >> >> [EXTERNAL] >> >> Lauren, >> I would suggest doing the following ASAP: >> 1. Gather all, and I do mean all, proof of accommodations you >> received on prior standardized tests, in college and law school, and >> whatever else they ask for. >> 2. Find someone you trust to help fill out inaccessible forms. Is >> this remotely fair or ADA compliant? No. Do boards of law examiners care? >> Also no. >> 3. Include in your application a letter detailing your requested >> accommodations and justifying each with reference to accommodations >> you received in the past. >> 4. Read, very carefully, any correspondence from your state board. >> And push back hard, if they don’t give you what you need to do your best. >> You absolutely should get an accessible electronic exam/Jaws and the >> ability to write essays on your computer, but your MBE answers will >> likely be recorded by a scribe. This is pretty standard. >> Good luck! I went through the accommodations process in two different >> states. I still have PTSD from the Kafkaesque process in one of these >> states. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Oct 30, 2022, at 8:53 PM, Lauren Bishop via BlindLaw >>> wrote: >>> >>> Good evening All, >>> Have any of you had success with advocating for an accessible >>> electronic version of your bar exam, and the ability to use jaws? I >>> was looking at the Florida accommodations petition, and I noticed >>> that the only formats that they listed or braille, large, print, or >>> audio CD. The petition doesn’t say anything about the use of a >>> screen reader, and, although I am proficient in braille, I need to >>> be able to type my essays because I’ve never worked with a scribe before. >>> Also, I use jaws more than I use braille, and in past standardized, test administrations, I have use the >>> screen reader to take the test. I’m also noticing that none of the >>> petition documents are fillable I a person using a screen reader. >>> If any of you have information regarding this, I would really >>> appreciate it. >>> Lauren. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yah >>> o >>> o.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/nsingh%40cov.co >> m _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sanho817%40gmai >> l >> .com >> > > > -- > He/Him > > > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yahoo > .com From ThomasDukeman at outlook.com Wed Nov 2 01:14:40 2022 From: ThomasDukeman at outlook.com (Thomas Dukeman) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2022 01:14:40 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] Help Understanding Entrapment Message-ID: Good Evening fellow legal beagles! In the US, many criminals when arrested try to claim Entrapment as a way to avoid charges, but what exactly is it and when, if ever, can it be used to actually avoid a sentence? Id it like in some situations where a criminal coerces a person into commuting a crime they did not want to by setting them up like the whole “yeah you might be innocent. But what will blank think of you when they see this? Don’t want it to get out? Then do minor/major criminal offense X for me and it will disappear,”? By that, I mean pulling something innocent out of context to appear criminal to force cooperation in an actual crime. Thanks for your time, Tom Sent from Mail for Windows From kaybaycar at gmail.com Wed Nov 2 03:50:08 2022 From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2022 23:50:08 -0400 Subject: [blindLaw] Accommodations for bar exam In-Reply-To: <001801d8ee34$4b2510a0$e16f31e0$@timeldermusic.com> References: <062a01d8ee08$6848cc20$38da6460$@timeldermusic.com> <65310EB6-4019-4D6A-BC4B-2C6779A3900A@yahoo.com> <001801d8ee34$4b2510a0$e16f31e0$@timeldermusic.com> Message-ID: My school provides excellent resources for all students preparing to take the Bar. I understand not all law schools are like this, and I also remember collecting my documents to apply for accommodations for the LSAT. So I know I'll have to do all that myself. But I'm confident they can get me started by explaining the application process and assist where they can. I've got a baby at home and refuse to spend hours fighting with inaccessible systems and struggling to understand what the Bar Examiners need to approve my accommodations. If my school can help, then I'm going to take it where it makes sense. I got a colleague at work to help me put together my LSAT accommodations packet, and I used AIRA to help me get all my transcripts to put on that LSAC website for my law school applications. (These days if you want transcripts, one of the main websites used to pay and retrieve them makes you sign with the mouse.) Anyway, readers/law schools are tools in our tool box. Well, I suppose some law schools aren't set up for this, but if they do support students taking the Bar, it's likely they have helped disabled students through the accommodations process before. Julie On 11/1/22, Tim Elder via BlindLaw wrote: > I recall that this issue was a part of the LSAC consent decree in > California. The burdensome documentation and unreasonable timelines issue > comes up a lot in the testing cases involving learning disabilities, not > that it isn't also a problem for all disabled people. > > -----Original Message----- > From: James Fetter > Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2022 9:15 AM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Sanho Steele-Louchart ; tim at timeldermusic.com > Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Accommodations for bar exam > > Have you litigated—or are you aware of—any cases related to accessibility > barriers and/or unnecessarily burdensome documentation requirements inthe > accommodations process itself or other parts of the bar application (e.g. an > inaccessible character and fitness application)? I could see standing being > an issue, if the request for accommodations is approved, but it is > problematic that some state boards have created so many unnecessary > accessibility barriers to aspiring blind attorneys. > > from my iPhone > >> On Nov 1, 2022, at 11:43 AM, Tim Elder via BlindLaw >> wrote: >> >> We have litigated several cases to establish the right to take the bar >> exam in an electronic format with a screen reader. You should report any >> refusal to grant that request immediately. There is a long string cite of >> cases supporting the view that bar exams must be offered in accessible >> electronic formats. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Sanho Steele-Louchart >> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2022 7:09 AM >> To: Blind Law Mailing List >> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Accommodations for bar exam >> >> Ugh. Disappointing, but not surprising, to hear that James had the polar >> opposite experience than I did. I wonder if the board of bar examiners >> pulled my accommodation documentation directly from my school. I suspect I >> signed a release of information somewhere along the way. In response to >> Nikki's scantron issue, I just typed my answers in a Word document that >> was saved onto a USB and filled out for me after the exam was finished. >> The essay answers were saved and submitted just as though they'd been >> hand-written. >> >> Warmth, >> Sanho >> >>> On 10/31/22, Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw wrote: >>> Lauren, >>> >>> I second James' documentation recommendations. Demonstrating a >>> history of using what is for you a standard set of accommodations >>> usually goes a long way (excluding the LSAC) in convincing the powers >>> that be to approve accommodation requests. At this point, I am not >>> quite remembering my process when I was working on getting >>> accommodations for NY. I imagine some forms were involved, with a >>> place to submit extra documentation. I also remained in close email >>> contact with whoever was the testing accommodations coordinator. That >>> individual was fantastic and really helped things go >>> smoothly: my accommodations were approved, and aside for a completely >>> random family emergency the day before, the exam days went well. I >>> had an electronic exam, probably Word or HTML. I could use JAWS on my >>> own laptop. I also used a Braille note taker to write out essays that >>> I uploaded to a Word document via a card reader and memory card. I >>> believe that the oddest item was having to announce my answers to my >>> proctor/scribe, but it was not a big deal, as I had to do this for >>> the MPRE. The proctor, as Sanho similarly described, got up from her >>> chair from time to time to check that I was not doing anything untoward. >>> Most of the time, she read a novel or worked on a crossword to pass the >>> many hours in the exam room. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Nikki >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of James >>> Fetter via BlindLaw >>> Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2022 11:46 PM >>> To: Blind Law Mailing List >>> Cc: James Fetter >>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Accommodations for bar exam >>> >>> [EXTERNAL] >>> >>> Lauren, >>> I would suggest doing the following ASAP: >>> 1. Gather all, and I do mean all, proof of accommodations you >>> received on prior standardized tests, in college and law school, and >>> whatever else they ask for. >>> 2. Find someone you trust to help fill out inaccessible forms. Is >>> this remotely fair or ADA compliant? No. Do boards of law examiners care? >>> Also no. >>> 3. Include in your application a letter detailing your requested >>> accommodations and justifying each with reference to accommodations >>> you received in the past. >>> 4. Read, very carefully, any correspondence from your state board. >>> And push back hard, if they don’t give you what you need to do your best. >>> You absolutely should get an accessible electronic exam/Jaws and the >>> ability to write essays on your computer, but your MBE answers will >>> likely be recorded by a scribe. This is pretty standard. >>> Good luck! I went through the accommodations process in two different >>> states. I still have PTSD from the Kafkaesque process in one of these >>> states. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Oct 30, 2022, at 8:53 PM, Lauren Bishop via BlindLaw >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Good evening All, >>>> Have any of you had success with advocating for an accessible >>>> electronic version of your bar exam, and the ability to use jaws? I >>>> was looking at the Florida accommodations petition, and I noticed >>>> that the only formats that they listed or braille, large, print, or >>>> audio CD. The petition doesn’t say anything about the use of a >>>> screen reader, and, although I am proficient in braille, I need to >>>> be able to type my essays because I’ve never worked with a scribe >>>> before. >>>> Also, I use jaws more than I use braille, and in past standardized, test >>>> administrations, I have use the >>>> screen reader to take the test. I’m also noticing that none of the >>>> petition documents are fillable I a person using a screen reader. >>>> If any of you have information regarding this, I would really >>>> appreciate it. >>>> Lauren. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> BlindLaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yah >>>> o >>>> o.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/nsingh%40cov.co >>> m _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sanho817%40gmai >>> l >>> .com >>> >> >> >> -- >> He/Him >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yahoo >> .com > > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com > -- Julie A. McGinnity MM Vocal Performance, 2015; American University Washington College of Law, JD Candidate 2023 From sai at fiatfiendum.org Wed Nov 2 05:04:54 2022 From: sai at fiatfiendum.org (Sai) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2022 05:04:54 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] Help Understanding Entrapment In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 1. Don't call someone a criminal if they haven't been convicted. Someone who's merely been arrested is not even charged yet, let alone convicted. They're innocent until proven guilty. 2. What you are describing is not entrapment, it's criminal conspiracy with coercion or subornation. The defense to that is called "necessity", e.g. "if I didn't do X they'd have killed my family, so I did it, knowing it was wrong, but under duress because there was something worse that it avoided and I had no real choice". That's extremely rare but happens sometimes. One memorable case was from someone who escaped from prison by helicopter — literally it just landed in the yard, he got in and flew away. He said he did it because he was about to be murdered in prison and the guards wouldn't or couldn't stop it, so he had no choice but to escape in order to avoid being murdered. He turned himself in afterwards and was put back in a different prison. He raised a partially successful defense of necessity, as to the crime of escaping from prison, because it was necessary to defend his life. (There was some ancillary event that he & his assistants couldn't raise necessity for, though. I don't remember the details or outcome of that.) 3. Entrapment is when the coercion is done by the government — i.e. when the defense is "I wouldn't have done anything illegal *but for* the police having forced or tricked me into doing something I didn't want to do". It's also very rare as a defense. That's a very controversial issue, because a lot of "sting" operations — e.g. the FBI on supposed Muslim wannabe terrorists, who actually it turns out had absolutely no interest and were entirely led into it by the FBI — are very very very close to the edge between being forced or pressured or groomed vs being solicited or asked in a way they could just refuse. The defense is much, much narrower than most people think. It hardly ever works. But, er, where are you getting these ideas? If you're in law school crim pro, I'd expect you should be getting lots of example cases for everything… Sincerely, Sai President, Fiat Fiendum, Inc., a 501(c)(3) Sent from my mobile phone; please excuse the concision and autocorrect errors. On Wed, 2 Nov 2022, 01:16 Thomas Dukeman via BlindLaw, wrote: > Good Evening fellow legal beagles! > > In the US, many criminals when arrested try to claim Entrapment as a way > to avoid charges, but what exactly is it and when, if ever, can it be used > to actually avoid a sentence? Id it like in some situations where a > criminal coerces a person into commuting a crime they did not want to by > setting them up like the whole “yeah you might be innocent. But what will > blank think of you when they see this? Don’t want it to get out? Then do > minor/major criminal offense X for me and it will disappear,”? By that, I > mean pulling something innocent out of context to appear criminal to force > cooperation in an actual crime. > > Thanks for your time, > Tom > > Sent from Mail for Windows > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sai%40fiatfiendum.org > From ThomasDukeman at outlook.com Wed Nov 2 07:01:25 2022 From: ThomasDukeman at outlook.com (Thomas Dukeman) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2022 07:01:25 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] Help Understanding Entrapment In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have not started law school yet. I am working on my Associate of Science degree for Paralegal studies because I live in the more rural outskirts of a small town. I am still trying to separate what I think I know about the subjects I might end up having to deal with from what I don’t know and what actually happens which is why it seems like I might be asking a lot of newbie questions or have seemingly immature mannerisms about things. I am just starting out my journey into the world of law and figure if I never ask, I’ll never grow. Hope that clears up any confusion about things. As to your response to my original question I thank you very much for setting aside time to help me out with my learning. Thanks again, Tom Sent from Mail for Windows From: Sai via BlindLaw Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2022 1:06 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Sai Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Help Understanding Entrapment 1. Don't call someone a criminal if they haven't been convicted. Someone who's merely been arrested is not even charged yet, let alone convicted. They're innocent until proven guilty. 2. What you are describing is not entrapment, it's criminal conspiracy with coercion or subornation. The defense to that is called "necessity", e.g. "if I didn't do X they'd have killed my family, so I did it, knowing it was wrong, but under duress because there was something worse that it avoided and I had no real choice". That's extremely rare but happens sometimes. One memorable case was from someone who escaped from prison by helicopter — literally it just landed in the yard, he got in and flew away. He said he did it because he was about to be murdered in prison and the guards wouldn't or couldn't stop it, so he had no choice but to escape in order to avoid being murdered. He turned himself in afterwards and was put back in a different prison. He raised a partially successful defense of necessity, as to the crime of escaping from prison, because it was necessary to defend his life. (There was some ancillary event that he & his assistants couldn't raise necessity for, though. I don't remember the details or outcome of that.) 3. Entrapment is when the coercion is done by the government — i.e. when the defense is "I wouldn't have done anything illegal *but for* the police having forced or tricked me into doing something I didn't want to do". It's also very rare as a defense. That's a very controversial issue, because a lot of "sting" operations — e.g. the FBI on supposed Muslim wannabe terrorists, who actually it turns out had absolutely no interest and were entirely led into it by the FBI — are very very very close to the edge between being forced or pressured or groomed vs being solicited or asked in a way they could just refuse. The defense is much, much narrower than most people think. It hardly ever works. But, er, where are you getting these ideas? If you're in law school crim pro, I'd expect you should be getting lots of example cases for everything… Sincerely, Sai President, Fiat Fiendum, Inc., a 501(c)(3) Sent from my mobile phone; please excuse the concision and autocorrect errors. On Wed, 2 Nov 2022, 01:16 Thomas Dukeman via BlindLaw, wrote: > Good Evening fellow legal beagles! > > In the US, many criminals when arrested try to claim Entrapment as a way > to avoid charges, but what exactly is it and when, if ever, can it be used > to actually avoid a sentence? Id it like in some situations where a > criminal coerces a person into commuting a crime they did not want to by > setting them up like the whole “yeah you might be innocent. But what will > blank think of you when they see this? Don’t want it to get out? Then do > minor/major criminal offense X for me and it will disappear,”? By that, I > mean pulling something innocent out of context to appear criminal to force > cooperation in an actual crime. > > Thanks for your time, > Tom > > Sent from Mail for Windows > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sai%40fiatfiendum.org > _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/thomasdukeman%40outlook.com From dave146757 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 2 19:11:32 2022 From: dave146757 at yahoo.com (David Freeman) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2022 12:11:32 -0700 Subject: [blindLaw] Odyssey and Fusion References: <634E70A3-54B8-4B51-9E57-6B99B496D3F6.ref@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <634E70A3-54B8-4B51-9E57-6B99B496D3F6@yahoo.com> Looking for some guidance from folks that use the Odyssey platform for court files. The Washington State Superior Courts have generally switched to odyssey and, I know at least a few other states use it as well. I am currently looking at transitioning from Zoomtext to Fusion and was hoping that others have had some experience with compatibility between Fusion and Odyssey and may be willing to give me some advice. Alternatively, does anyone have any strong opinion as to what software to either use or shy away from with respect to compatibility with Odyssey?Thanks in advance! Hon. David E. Freeman Whatcom County Superior Court Sent from my iPhone From sai at fiatfiendum.org Wed Nov 2 23:31:53 2022 From: sai at fiatfiendum.org (Sai) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2022 23:31:53 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] Help Understanding Entrapment In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Fair enough. Everyone starts somewhere. What's more important than asking newbie questions is figuring out how to find good answers. I strongly recommend you try reading through some basic textbooks on criminal law and procedure. Possibly constitutional law or international treaty law as well, though that's much broader. If you have questions that aren't covered in the text, or where you find an inconsistency in the text or something that makes no common sense though you understand the formal sense, you're much, much more likely to come up with interesting questions. If you have access to BARD or bookshare.org, or their equivalents in other countries, there are multiple reasonably good books available in audio or braille (albeit not the most recent editions). Make sure it's written about your country; anything common law will be very broadly correct about any common law country (i.e. the UK and anything that used to be a UK colony, like the US), but a lot significantly different. Though knowing comparative law is very useful (especially if you're interested in policy making), that's probably above your head at the moment; better to get oriented on your country's law first. Note that in the US, almost all criminal prosecutions are under state law, not federal, and states have quite a lot of diversity. So do the various federal court of appeals; there are lots of weird circuit splits. Anyway, most intro US criminal law textbooks will be broad enough to be fine for the entire country, but if you actually want to do criminal law in real life, you'll need to also study specific state law. But start with the generic version. Sincerely, Sai President, Fiat Fiendum, Inc., a 501(c)(3) Sent from my mobile phone; please excuse the concision and autocorrect errors. On Wed, 2 Nov 2022, 07:02 Thomas Dukeman via BlindLaw, wrote: > I have not started law school yet. I am working on my Associate of Science > degree for Paralegal studies because I live in the more rural outskirts of > a small town. I am still trying to separate what I think I know about the > subjects I might end up having to deal with from what I don’t know and what > actually happens which is why it seems like I might be asking a lot of > newbie questions or have seemingly immature mannerisms about things. I am > just starting out my journey into the world of law and figure if I never > ask, I’ll never grow. Hope that clears up any confusion about things. As to > your response to my original question I thank you very much for setting > aside time to help me out with my learning. > > Thanks again, > Tom > > Sent from Mail for Windows > > From: Sai via BlindLaw > Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2022 1:06 AM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Sai > Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Help Understanding Entrapment > > 1. Don't call someone a criminal if they haven't been convicted. Someone > who's merely been arrested is not even charged yet, let alone convicted. > They're innocent until proven guilty. > > > 2. What you are describing is not entrapment, it's criminal conspiracy with > coercion or subornation. The defense to that is called "necessity", e.g. > "if I didn't do X they'd have killed my family, so I did it, knowing it was > wrong, but under duress because there was something worse that it avoided > and I had no real choice". That's extremely rare but happens sometimes. > > One memorable case was from someone who escaped from prison by helicopter — > literally it just landed in the yard, he got in and flew away. He said he > did it because he was about to be murdered in prison and the guards > wouldn't or couldn't stop it, so he had no choice but to escape in order to > avoid being murdered. He turned himself in afterwards and was put back in a > different prison. He raised a partially successful defense of necessity, as > to the crime of escaping from prison, because it was necessary to defend > his life. (There was some ancillary event that he & his assistants couldn't > raise necessity for, though. I don't remember the details or outcome of > that.) > > > 3. Entrapment is when the coercion is done by the government — i.e. when > the defense is "I wouldn't have done anything illegal *but for* the police > having forced or tricked me into doing something I didn't want to do". It's > also very rare as a defense. > > That's a very controversial issue, because a lot of "sting" operations — > e.g. the FBI on supposed Muslim wannabe terrorists, who actually it turns > out had absolutely no interest and were entirely led into it by the FBI — > are very very very close to the edge between being forced or pressured or > groomed vs being solicited or asked in a way they could just refuse. The > defense is much, much narrower than most people think. It hardly ever > works. > > > But, er, where are you getting these ideas? If you're in law school crim > pro, I'd expect you should be getting lots of example cases for everything… > > Sincerely, > Sai > President, Fiat Fiendum, Inc., a 501(c)(3) > > Sent from my mobile phone; please excuse the concision and autocorrect > errors. > > On Wed, 2 Nov 2022, 01:16 Thomas Dukeman via BlindLaw, < > blindlaw at nfbnet.org> > wrote: > > > Good Evening fellow legal beagles! > > > > In the US, many criminals when arrested try to claim Entrapment as a way > > to avoid charges, but what exactly is it and when, if ever, can it be > used > > to actually avoid a sentence? Id it like in some situations where a > > criminal coerces a person into commuting a crime they did not want to by > > setting them up like the whole “yeah you might be innocent. But what will > > blank think of you when they see this? Don’t want it to get out? Then do > > minor/major criminal offense X for me and it will disappear,”? By that, I > > mean pulling something innocent out of context to appear criminal to > force > > cooperation in an actual crime. > > > > Thanks for your time, > > Tom > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows > > > > _______________________________________________ > > BlindLaw mailing list > > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > BlindLaw: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sai%40fiatfiendum.org > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/thomasdukeman%40outlook.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sai%40fiatfiendum.org > From rthomas48 at gmail.com Thu Nov 3 12:41:42 2022 From: rthomas48 at gmail.com (Roderick Thomas) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2022 08:41:42 -0400 Subject: [blindLaw] Core Values Message-ID: Hey Guys, I am developing a list of five core values, which I could use to build a law firm as a blind attorney. Does anyone have any suggestions I could use? I am willing to discuss further outside of the list serve. Just email me at rthomas48 at gmail.com. Yours Truly, Roderick Thomas From sanho817 at gmail.com Thu Nov 3 13:43:53 2022 From: sanho817 at gmail.com (Sanho Steele-Louchart) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2022 08:43:53 -0500 Subject: [blindLaw] Core Values In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <815F00CB-9C8A-4E60-B569-6C33EE4C20F5@gmail.com> Good morning. You said "as a blind attorney." Can you say more about what you're looking for? Sanho > On Nov 3, 2022, at 7:43 AM, Roderick Thomas via BlindLaw wrote: > > Hey Guys, I am developing a list of five core values, which I could use to build a law firm as a blind attorney. Does anyone have any suggestions I could use? I am willing to discuss further outside of the list serve. Just email me at rthomas48 at gmail.com. > > > Yours Truly, > > > Roderick Thomas > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sanho817%40gmail.com From rthomas48 at gmail.com Thu Nov 3 20:27:27 2022 From: rthomas48 at gmail.com (Roderick Thomas) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2022 16:27:27 -0400 Subject: [blindLaw] Core Values In-Reply-To: <815F00CB-9C8A-4E60-B569-6C33EE4C20F5@gmail.com> References: <815F00CB-9C8A-4E60-B569-6C33EE4C20F5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c7550c4-f863-eb7a-d04e-000a76e3c75c@gmail.com> Sure! If you were going to start your own law firm, what are five to ten core values, which you would not compromise. The core values must be, so important that you use them as an instrument to interview possible employees. Yours Truly, Roderick Thomas On 11/3/2022 9:43 AM, Sanho Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw wrote: > Good morning. You said "as a blind attorney." Can you say more about what you're looking for? > > Sanho > > >> On Nov 3, 2022, at 7:43 AM, Roderick Thomas via BlindLaw wrote: >> >> Hey Guys, I am developing a list of five core values, which I could use to build a law firm as a blind attorney. Does anyone have any suggestions I could use? I am willing to discuss further outside of the list serve. Just email me at rthomas48 at gmail.com. >> >> >> Yours Truly, >> >> >> Roderick Thomas >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sanho817%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rthomas48%40gmail.com From sai at fiatfiendum.org Thu Nov 3 21:18:26 2022 From: sai at fiatfiendum.org (Sai) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2022 21:18:26 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] Core Values In-Reply-To: <7c7550c4-f863-eb7a-d04e-000a76e3c75c@gmail.com> References: <815F00CB-9C8A-4E60-B569-6C33EE4C20F5@gmail.com> <7c7550c4-f863-eb7a-d04e-000a76e3c75c@gmail.com> Message-ID: Believe in long term law, not just short term outcomes. Personally I have a very simple test for it: 1. Describe a case where you approve of the practical outcome, but you disagree with the legal holding. 2. Describe a case where you disapprove of the practical outcome, but agree with the legal holding. For me that's easy. Just off the top of my head: 1. Hollingsworth v. Perry, 570 U.S. 693 (2013), aka the California Prop 8 case. Held that the proponents of the anti same sex marriage proposition didn't have standing to defend it when the government refused to defend it, thereby defaulting the proposition into defeat and allowing same sex marriage in California. I strongly disagree with the bigoted proponents of Prop 8, but if the government refuses to defend a law that the citizens enacted, the citizens (i.e. the proponents in this case) should have the right to do so, otherwise people can't effectively pass laws that the government doesn't like (e.g. against gerrymandering), leading to capture of the government by itself. 2. National Federation of Independent Business v Occupational Safety and Health Administration, 21A44 (2021), aka the COVID vaccine mandate case. Held that OSHA didn't have the authority to pass a COVID vaccine mandate, thereby overturning it. OSHA doesn't and shouldn't have the authority to pass general health mandates (and there's a pending cert petition against TSA's claim that it does, Corbett v TSA). But people getting vaccinated is in fact a good policy to have, and it sucks that fewer people would get vaccinated due to OSHA's rule being overturned. My point is that if you're doing law, you should care about the effects of your arguments in other situations, where the people involved are different. You shouldn't create precedent that gives you a short term win but undermines the collective interest overall. And yes, that is in tension with some interpretations of the duty to what's best for an individual client. Sincerely, Sai President, Fiat Fiendum, Inc., a 501(c)(3) Sent from my mobile phone; please excuse the concision and autocorrect errors. On Thu, 3 Nov 2022, 20:28 Roderick Thomas via BlindLaw, wrote: > Sure! If you were going to start your own law firm, what are five to ten > core values, which you would not compromise. The core values must be, so > important that you use them as an instrument to interview possible > employees. > > > Yours Truly, > > > Roderick Thomas > > On 11/3/2022 9:43 AM, Sanho Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw wrote: > > Good morning. You said "as a blind attorney." Can you say more about > what you're looking for? > > > > Sanho > > > > > >> On Nov 3, 2022, at 7:43 AM, Roderick Thomas via BlindLaw < > blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: > >> > >> Hey Guys, I am developing a list of five core values, which I could > use to build a law firm as a blind attorney. Does anyone have any > suggestions I could use? I am willing to discuss further outside of the > list serve. Just email me at rthomas48 at gmail.com. > >> > >> > >> Yours Truly, > >> > >> > >> Roderick Thomas > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> BlindLaw mailing list > >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sanho817%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > BlindLaw mailing list > > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rthomas48%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sai%40fiatfiendum.org > From rodalcidonis at gmail.com Thu Nov 3 22:04:47 2022 From: rodalcidonis at gmail.com (rodalcidonis at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2022 18:04:47 -0400 Subject: [blindLaw] Core Values In-Reply-To: References: <815F00CB-9C8A-4E60-B569-6C33EE4C20F5@gmail.com> <7c7550c4-f863-eb7a-d04e-000a76e3c75c@gmail.com> Message-ID: <005101d8efd0$49d8f160$dd8ad420$@gmail.com> I suggest that attorneys looking for broader impact work look into becoming class action counsel. When engaging in individualized representation, your client's interest should be the only thing that matters. Incorporating or considering anyone else's interest is improper and may expose you to a conflict-of-interest charge. The rules of ethics that govern lawyer's conduct is a good place to start to gain understanding regarding your professional responsibility to your client. Rod, -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Sai via BlindLaw Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2022 5:18 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Sai Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Core Values Believe in long term law, not just short term outcomes. Personally I have a very simple test for it: 1. Describe a case where you approve of the practical outcome, but you disagree with the legal holding. 2. Describe a case where you disapprove of the practical outcome, but agree with the legal holding. For me that's easy. Just off the top of my head: 1. Hollingsworth v. Perry, 570 U.S. 693 (2013), aka the California Prop 8 case. Held that the proponents of the anti same sex marriage proposition didn't have standing to defend it when the government refused to defend it, thereby defaulting the proposition into defeat and allowing same sex marriage in California. I strongly disagree with the bigoted proponents of Prop 8, but if the government refuses to defend a law that the citizens enacted, the citizens (i.e. the proponents in this case) should have the right to do so, otherwise people can't effectively pass laws that the government doesn't like (e.g. against gerrymandering), leading to capture of the government by itself. 2. National Federation of Independent Business v Occupational Safety and Health Administration, 21A44 (2021), aka the COVID vaccine mandate case. Held that OSHA didn't have the authority to pass a COVID vaccine mandate, thereby overturning it. OSHA doesn't and shouldn't have the authority to pass general health mandates (and there's a pending cert petition against TSA's claim that it does, Corbett v TSA). But people getting vaccinated is in fact a good policy to have, and it sucks that fewer people would get vaccinated due to OSHA's rule being overturned. My point is that if you're doing law, you should care about the effects of your arguments in other situations, where the people involved are different. You shouldn't create precedent that gives you a short term win but undermines the collective interest overall. And yes, that is in tension with some interpretations of the duty to what's best for an individual client. Sincerely, Sai President, Fiat Fiendum, Inc., a 501(c)(3) Sent from my mobile phone; please excuse the concision and autocorrect errors. On Thu, 3 Nov 2022, 20:28 Roderick Thomas via BlindLaw, wrote: > Sure! If you were going to start your own law firm, what are five to > ten core values, which you would not compromise. The core values must > be, so important that you use them as an instrument to interview > possible employees. > > > Yours Truly, > > > Roderick Thomas > > On 11/3/2022 9:43 AM, Sanho Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw wrote: > > Good morning. You said "as a blind attorney." Can you say more about > what you're looking for? > > > > Sanho > > > > > >> On Nov 3, 2022, at 7:43 AM, Roderick Thomas via BlindLaw < > blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: > >> > >> Hey Guys, I am developing a list of five core values, which I > >> could > use to build a law firm as a blind attorney. Does anyone have any > suggestions I could use? I am willing to discuss further outside of > the list serve. Just email me at rthomas48 at gmail.com. > >> > >> > >> Yours Truly, > >> > >> > >> Roderick Thomas > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> BlindLaw mailing list > >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >> for > BlindLaw: > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sanho817%40gmail > .com > > _______________________________________________ > > BlindLaw mailing list > > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > > for > BlindLaw: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rthomas48%40gmai > l.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sai%40fiatfiendu > m.org > _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rodalcidonis%40gmail.com From sai at fiatfiendum.org Thu Nov 3 22:31:24 2022 From: sai at fiatfiendum.org (Sai) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2022 22:31:24 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] Core Values In-Reply-To: <005101d8efd0$49d8f160$dd8ad420$@gmail.com> References: <815F00CB-9C8A-4E60-B569-6C33EE4C20F5@gmail.com> <7c7550c4-f863-eb7a-d04e-000a76e3c75c@gmail.com> <005101d8efd0$49d8f160$dd8ad420$@gmail.com> Message-ID: You can also exercise choice over cases and clients. Unlike Britain, you aren't required to take all comers. FWIW, here's a clause in section 1 of the retainer agreement I had with a prominent pro bono First Amendment attorney. > We are deeply committed to the U.S. Constitution, and we will not take any steps in your representation that could directly bring harm to the First Amendment, nor through inaction will we allow harm to come to the First Amendment. In the event that there is a point where the First Amendment conflicts with your direct legal interests, we will advise you of this fact and give you the choice of avoiding that conflict or we will allow you to retain alternate counsel. This is someone who does not normally do class action or public interest work. But they're very upfront about the fact that they have legal views. Others can do so, too. In this particular situation, I would think that "our work should not cause harm to the long term interests of blind or otherwise disabled people" is one value that a blind led law firm ought to have, and should refuse or transfer clients whose representation would conflict with that value. Just like the extremely pro free speech value of the attorney whose retainer I quoted above. Sincerely, Sai President, Fiat Fiendum, Inc., a 501(c)(3) Sent from my mobile phone; please excuse the concision and autocorrect errors. On Thu, 3 Nov 2022, 22:04 , wrote: > I suggest that attorneys looking for broader impact work look into > becoming class action counsel. When engaging in individualized > representation, your client's interest should be the only thing that > matters. Incorporating or considering anyone else's interest is improper > and may expose you to a conflict-of-interest charge. The rules of ethics > that govern lawyer's conduct is a good place to start to gain understanding > regarding your professional responsibility to your client. > > > Rod, > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Sai via BlindLaw > Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2022 5:18 PM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Sai > Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Core Values > > Believe in long term law, not just short term outcomes. > > Personally I have a very simple test for it: > > 1. Describe a case where you approve of the practical outcome, but you > disagree with the legal holding. > 2. Describe a case where you disapprove of the practical outcome, but > agree with the legal holding. > > > For me that's easy. Just off the top of my head: > > 1. Hollingsworth v. Perry, 570 U.S. 693 (2013), aka the California Prop 8 > case. > > Held that the proponents of the anti same sex marriage proposition didn't > have standing to defend it when the government refused to defend it, > thereby defaulting the proposition into defeat and allowing same sex > marriage in California. I strongly disagree with the bigoted proponents of > Prop 8, but if the government refuses to defend a law that the citizens > enacted, the citizens (i.e. the proponents in this case) should have the > right to do so, otherwise people can't effectively pass laws that the > government doesn't like (e.g. against gerrymandering), leading to capture > of the government by itself. > > > 2. National Federation of Independent Business v Occupational Safety and > Health Administration, 21A44 (2021), aka the COVID vaccine mandate case. > > Held that OSHA didn't have the authority to pass a COVID vaccine mandate, > thereby overturning it. OSHA doesn't and shouldn't have the authority to > pass general health mandates (and there's a pending cert petition against > TSA's claim that it does, Corbett v TSA). But people getting vaccinated is > in fact a good policy to have, and it sucks that fewer people would get > vaccinated due to OSHA's rule being overturned. > > > > > My point is that if you're doing law, you should care about the effects of > your arguments in other situations, where the people involved are > different. You shouldn't create precedent that gives you a short term win > but undermines the collective interest overall. > > And yes, that is in tension with some interpretations of the duty to > what's best for an individual client. > > Sincerely, > Sai > President, Fiat Fiendum, Inc., a 501(c)(3) > > Sent from my mobile phone; please excuse the concision and autocorrect > errors. > > On Thu, 3 Nov 2022, 20:28 Roderick Thomas via BlindLaw, < > blindlaw at nfbnet.org> > wrote: > > > Sure! If you were going to start your own law firm, what are five to > > ten core values, which you would not compromise. The core values must > > be, so important that you use them as an instrument to interview > > possible employees. > > > > > > Yours Truly, > > > > > > Roderick Thomas > > > > On 11/3/2022 9:43 AM, Sanho Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw wrote: > > > Good morning. You said "as a blind attorney." Can you say more about > > what you're looking for? > > > > > > Sanho > > > > > > > > >> On Nov 3, 2022, at 7:43 AM, Roderick Thomas via BlindLaw < > > blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: > > >> > > >> Hey Guys, I am developing a list of five core values, which I > > >> could > > use to build a law firm as a blind attorney. Does anyone have any > > suggestions I could use? I am willing to discuss further outside of > > the list serve. Just email me at rthomas48 at gmail.com. > > >> > > >> > > >> Yours Truly, > > >> > > >> > > >> Roderick Thomas > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> BlindLaw mailing list > > >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > > >> for > > BlindLaw: > > >> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sanho817%40gmail > > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > BlindLaw mailing list > > > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > > > for > > BlindLaw: > > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rthomas48%40gmai > > l.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > BlindLaw mailing list > > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > BlindLaw: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sai%40fiatfiendu > > m.org > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rodalcidonis%40gmail.com > > From rothmanjd at gmail.com Fri Nov 4 04:16:13 2022 From: rothmanjd at gmail.com (rothmanjd at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2022 00:16:13 -0400 Subject: [blindLaw] Final Reminder: NFBMD 2022 Fall Donation Drive - Win a Free Cruise! - Donations Deadline November 5, 2022 Message-ID: <013101d8f004$2d391240$87ab36c0$@gmail.com> The National Federation of the Blind of Maryland is holding a Fall donation drive to support our work. >From December 3 to 10, 2023, NFBMD will be hosting Blind Cruising 2023, which is a 7-night cruise on the Carnival Legend to the Eastern Caribbean. Individuals may book passage directly with our travel agent, with a portion of cabin costs going to NFBMD. Those interested may find information at http://www.nfbmd.org/blindcruising. Additionally, we will hold a cruise drawing at the NFBMD Convention Banquet on November 12, 2022. The winner will receive a balcony cabin for two on the Carnival Legend for the sailing scheduled to depart Baltimore from December 3 - 10, 2023, which is the sailing where Blind Cruising 2023 will take place. Individuals do not need to be present to win. The rules for the drawing are as follows: 1. For each $20 donated, the donor will receive one chance. For example, if the donor contributes $100, that equates to 5 chances. 2. The donor must expressly state that they wish to have their name placed in the cruise drawing. 3. Donations must be made separately from any door prize contributions, convention registration donations, or theater/Hamilton donations. 4. Donations must be received on or before November 5, 2022. Individuals may make donations using the PayPal button located at https://nfbmd.org/DonationDrive or by mailing checks to: National Federation of the Blind of Maryland 2022 Fall Donation Drive 1800 Johnson Street, Suite N1 Baltimore, MD 21230 Ronza Othman, President National Federation of the Blind of Maryland 443-426-4110 Pronouns: she, her, hers The National Federation of the Blind of Maryland knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Thu Nov 10 16:21:23 2022 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2022 16:21:23 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] REMINDER: U.S. Access Board Seeks Public Comment on Accessibility Guidelines for Self-Service Transaction Machines In-Reply-To: <16825863.24528@service.govdelivery.com> References: <16825863.24528@service.govdelivery.com> Message-ID: From: United States Access Board Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2022 6:02 AM Subject: REMINDER: U.S. Access Board Seeks Public Comment on Accessibility Guidelines for Self-Service Transaction Machines CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. [Star logo with "News from the U.S. Access Board" text] November 10, 2022 U.S. Access Board Seeks Public Comment on Accessibility Guidelines for Self-Service Transaction Machines Touchscreen kiosks and other types of self-service transaction machines (SSTMs) are a common feature in places of public accommodation, government offices, and other buildings and facilities, allowing users to independently conduct a range of transactions and functions. The U.S. Access Board has issued an advance notice of proposed rulemaking (ANPRM) on supplemental accessibility guidelines for different types of SSTMs, including electronic self-service kiosks, for persons with disabilities. The Board seeks comments on accessibility related to the various types of SSTMs, use and design of SSTMs, location of SSTMs, and economic impacts on small business, non-profit, and governmental entities in the implementation of accessible SSTMs. Learn More ________________________________ SUBSCRIBER SERVICES: Manage Preferences | Unsubscribe | Help [Bookmark and Share] For more information about the content of this email, contact the Access Board. Twitter LinkedIn Facebook ________________________________ This email was sent to noel.nightingale at ed.gov using GovDelivery Communications Cloud on behalf of: United States Access Board · 1331 F St NW, Suite 1000 · Washington DC 20004 · (800) 872-2253 (v) · (800) 993-2822 (TTY) From michael.mcglashon at comcast.net Thu Nov 10 22:37:39 2022 From: michael.mcglashon at comcast.net (Mike Mcglashon) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2022 16:37:39 -0600 Subject: [blindLaw] REMINDER: U.S. Access Board Seeks Public Comment on Accessibility Guidelines for Self-Service Transaction Machines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0FEDBF1C-15B3-4E26-A819-159E95EB90B6@comcast.net> What executive department is the US access board underneath? Is it part of the Department of Justice? Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 10, 2022, at 10:22 AM, Nightingale, Noel via BlindLaw wrote: > >  > > From: United States Access Board > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2022 6:02 AM > Subject: REMINDER: U.S. Access Board Seeks Public Comment on Accessibility Guidelines for Self-Service Transaction Machines > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. > > > [Star logo with "News from the U.S. Access Board" text] > > > November 10, 2022 > > U.S. Access Board Seeks Public Comment on Accessibility Guidelines for Self-Service Transaction Machines > > Touchscreen kiosks and other types of self-service transaction machines (SSTMs) are a common feature in places of public accommodation, government offices, and other buildings and facilities, allowing users to independently conduct a range of transactions and functions. The U.S. Access Board has issued an advance notice of proposed rulemaking (ANPRM) on supplemental accessibility guidelines for different types of SSTMs, including electronic self-service kiosks, for persons with disabilities. The Board seeks comments on accessibility related to the various types of SSTMs, use and design of SSTMs, location of SSTMs, and economic impacts on small business, non-profit, and governmental entities in the implementation of accessible SSTMs. > Learn More > ________________________________ > > SUBSCRIBER SERVICES: > Manage Preferences | Unsubscribe | Help > > [Bookmark and Share] > > For more information about the content of this email, contact the Access Board. > > Twitter LinkedIn Facebook > > ________________________________ > This email was sent to noel.nightingale at ed.gov using GovDelivery Communications Cloud on behalf of: United States Access Board · 1331 F St NW, Suite 1000 · Washington DC 20004 · (800) 872-2253 (v) · (800) 993-2822 (TTY) > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/michael.mcglashon%40comcast.net From marshall at blindlawyers.org Fri Nov 11 10:11:47 2022 From: marshall at blindlawyers.org (Scott Marshall) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2022 10:11:47 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] REMINDER: U.S. Access Board Seeks Public Comment on Accessibility Guidelines for Self-Service Transaction Machines In-Reply-To: <0FEDBF1C-15B3-4E26-A819-159E95EB90B6@comcast.net> References: <0FEDBF1C-15B3-4E26-A819-159E95EB90B6@comcast.net> Message-ID: Mike: It's a small independent agency. However, the DOJ in the past has adopted standards which the Board develops. Scott -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Mike Mcglashon via BlindLaw Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2022 5:38 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Mike Mcglashon Subject: Re: [blindLaw] REMINDER: U.S. Access Board Seeks Public Comment on Accessibility Guidelines for Self-Service Transaction Machines What executive department is the US access board underneath? Is it part of the Department of Justice? Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 10, 2022, at 10:22 AM, Nightingale, Noel via BlindLaw wrote: > >  > > From: United States Access Board > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2022 6:02 AM > Subject: REMINDER: U.S. Access Board Seeks Public Comment on Accessibility Guidelines for Self-Service Transaction Machines > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. > > > [Star logo with "News from the U.S. Access Board" text] > > > November 10, 2022 > > U.S. Access Board Seeks Public Comment on Accessibility Guidelines for Self-Service Transaction Machines > > Touchscreen kiosks and other types of self-service transaction machines (SSTMs) are a common feature in places of public accommodation, government offices, and other buildings and facilities, allowing users to independently conduct a range of transactions and functions. The U.S. Access Board has issued an advance notice of proposed rulemaking (ANPRM) on supplemental accessibility guidelines for different types of SSTMs, including electronic self-service kiosks, for persons with disabilities. The Board seeks comments on accessibility related to the various types of SSTMs, use and design of SSTMs, location of SSTMs, and economic impacts on small business, non-profit, and governmental entities in the implementation of accessible SSTMs. > Learn More > ________________________________ > > SUBSCRIBER SERVICES: > Manage Preferences | Unsubscribe | Help > > [Bookmark and Share] > > For more information about the content of this email, contact the Access Board. > > Twitter LinkedIn Facebook > > ________________________________ > This email was sent to noel.nightingale at ed.gov using GovDelivery Communications Cloud on behalf of: United States Access Board · 1331 F St NW, Suite 1000 · Washington DC 20004 · (800) 872-2253 (v) · (800) 993-2822 (TTY) > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/michael.mcglashon%40comcast.net _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/marshall%40blindlawyers.org From michael.mcglashon at comcast.net Fri Nov 11 14:42:58 2022 From: michael.mcglashon at comcast.net (MIKE MCGLASHON) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2022 08:42:58 -0600 Subject: [blindLaw] REMINDER: U.S. Access Board Seeks Public Comment on Accessibility Guidelines for Self-Service Transaction Machines In-Reply-To: References: <0FEDBF1C-15B3-4E26-A819-159E95EB90B6@comcast.net> Message-ID: <2d2801d8f5db$e7d6da10$b7848e30$@comcast.net> Oh I see: It looked like that because the words "advanced Proposed Rule Making"; Those are words the EPA, FCC, Ftc, and others would use for their open comment period. So, being that they are a "small independent agency", they have no administrative power? I ask because the original email suggests, maybe unintentionally, that this U.S. Access Board has some power that it might not have? Please advise as you like. Mike M. Mike mcglashon Email: Michael.mcglashon at comcast.net Ph: 618 783 9331 -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Scott Marshall via BlindLaw Sent: Friday, November 11, 2022 4:12 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Scott Marshall Subject: Re: [blindLaw] REMINDER: U.S. Access Board Seeks Public Comment on Accessibility Guidelines for Self-Service Transaction Machines Mike: It's a small independent agency. However, the DOJ in the past has adopted standards which the Board develops. Scott -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Mike Mcglashon via BlindLaw Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2022 5:38 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Mike Mcglashon Subject: Re: [blindLaw] REMINDER: U.S. Access Board Seeks Public Comment on Accessibility Guidelines for Self-Service Transaction Machines What executive department is the US access board underneath? Is it part of the Department of Justice? Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 10, 2022, at 10:22 AM, Nightingale, Noel via BlindLaw wrote: > >  > > From: United States Access Board > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2022 6:02 AM > Subject: REMINDER: U.S. Access Board Seeks Public Comment on Accessibility Guidelines for Self-Service Transaction Machines > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. > > > [Star logo with "News from the U.S. Access Board" text] > > > November 10, 2022 > > U.S. Access Board Seeks Public Comment on Accessibility Guidelines for Self-Service Transaction Machines > > Touchscreen kiosks and other types of self-service transaction machines (SSTMs) are a common feature in places of public accommodation, government offices, and other buildings and facilities, allowing users to independently conduct a range of transactions and functions. The U.S. Access Board has issued an advance notice of proposed rulemaking (ANPRM) on supplemental accessibility guidelines for different types of SSTMs, including electronic self-service kiosks, for persons with disabilities. The Board seeks comments on accessibility related to the various types of SSTMs, use and design of SSTMs, location of SSTMs, and economic impacts on small business, non-profit, and governmental entities in the implementation of accessible SSTMs. > Learn More > ________________________________ > > SUBSCRIBER SERVICES: > Manage Preferences | Unsubscribe | Help > > [Bookmark and Share] > > For more information about the content of this email, contact the Access Board. > > Twitter LinkedIn Facebook > > ________________________________ > This email was sent to noel.nightingale at ed.gov using GovDelivery Communications Cloud on behalf of: United States Access Board · 1331 F St NW, Suite 1000 · Washington DC 20004 · (800) 872-2253 (v) · (800) 993-2822 (TTY) > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/michael.mcglashon%40comcast.net _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/marshall%40blindlawyers.org _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/michael.mcglashon%40comcast.net From sai at fiatfiendum.org Fri Nov 11 14:57:55 2022 From: sai at fiatfiendum.org (Sai) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2022 14:57:55 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] REMINDER: U.S. Access Board Seeks Public Comment on Accessibility Guidelines for Self-Service Transaction Machines In-Reply-To: <2d2801d8f5db$e7d6da10$b7848e30$@comcast.net> References: <0FEDBF1C-15B3-4E26-A819-159E95EB90B6@comcast.net> <2d2801d8f5db$e7d6da10$b7848e30$@comcast.net> Message-ID: The Access Board sets Rehab Act § 508 & ADA standards — i.e. regulations and guidelines. They're a tiny specialist agency, sorta like the OGIS is for FOIA. Setting accessibility standards & guidelines (and consulting on how to implement them) is more or less literally all they do. Their standards are mandatory for all Federal agencies, but mainly apply at the time of acquisition or building new stuff — there's usually some sort of grandfather clause to allow continued use of current equipment. I don't recall offhand if the standards are also mandatory for private organizations taking Federal money (i.e. Rehab Act) or for ADA in general. For the computer-type standards, see https://www.access-board.gov/ict/#E101-general . See the website menu for standards on other stuff like physical infrastructure (e.g. ramps, braille signs, tactile paving, etc), plane access, autonomous vehicles, etc. Overview is here: https://www.access-board.gov/ri/ Their info page on self service translation machines is here: https://www.access-board.gov/sstm/ Sincerely, Sai President, Fiat Fiendum, Inc., a 501(c)(3) Sent from my mobile phone; please excuse the concision and autocorrect errors. On Fri, 11 Nov 2022, 14:44 MIKE MCGLASHON via BlindLaw, wrote: > Oh I see: > It looked like that because the words "advanced Proposed Rule Making"; > Those are words the EPA, FCC, Ftc, and others would use for their open > comment period. > So, being that they are a "small independent agency", they have no > administrative power? > I ask because the original email suggests, maybe unintentionally, that > this U.S. Access Board has some power that it might not have? > > > Please advise as you like. > > Mike M. > > Mike mcglashon > Email: Michael.mcglashon at comcast.net > Ph: 618 783 9331 > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Scott Marshall > via BlindLaw > Sent: Friday, November 11, 2022 4:12 AM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Scott Marshall > Subject: Re: [blindLaw] REMINDER: U.S. Access Board Seeks Public Comment > on Accessibility Guidelines for Self-Service Transaction Machines > > Mike: > It's a small independent agency. However, the DOJ in the past has adopted > standards which the Board develops. > Scott > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Mike Mcglashon > via BlindLaw > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2022 5:38 PM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Mike Mcglashon > Subject: Re: [blindLaw] REMINDER: U.S. Access Board Seeks Public Comment > on Accessibility Guidelines for Self-Service Transaction Machines > > What executive department is the US access board underneath? > Is it part of the Department of Justice? > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Nov 10, 2022, at 10:22 AM, Nightingale, Noel via BlindLaw < > blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: > > > >  > > > > From: United States Access Board > > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2022 6:02 AM > > Subject: REMINDER: U.S. Access Board Seeks Public Comment on > Accessibility Guidelines for Self-Service Transaction Machines > > > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. 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nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sai%40fiatfiendum.org > From sai at fiatfiendum.org Fri Nov 11 17:46:18 2022 From: sai at fiatfiendum.org (Sai) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2022 17:46:18 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] Internet Archive extensive collection of law books for blind & print disabled people Message-ID: The Internet Archive has an extremely extensive collection of scanned books, which are available to blind & print disabled people for free (e.g. provable using a BARD or Bookshare account): https://archive.org/details/printdisabled Surprisingly, this includes legal textbooks, treatises, academic books, reference books, study books, etc. etc. Not the latest editions, but they had at least a semi recent version of nearly everything I searched for. For example, here's Black's Law Dictionary (abridged) 2015: https://archive.org/details/blackslawdiction0010edunse_r0f2 Here's one of my favourite books on US law — Eskridge, Frickey, & Garret's Legislation and Statutory Interpretation: https://archive.org/details/legislationstatu0000eskr I also found nearly the entire suite of UK law treatises on my reading list (Blackstone's everything, Craies, Bennion, etc), as well as a full set of bar exam (SQE) prep books. Make sure to sort by published date when you do a search (or have sighted assistance to check the cover images); the titles might be identical for different editions, and the publication date is a pain to read for every entry otherwise (it is on the details page, near the top of the metadata block). There are also some books that have the same title in the list, but are actually different books, like the "condensed" study versions, texts vs commentaries, etc., or like every book that has a super generic name like "administrative law". This is again very easy to tell apart from the cover image, and it should be in the details page metadata, but it's a pain. If you're doing it yourself, be sure to double check so you're not getting an older version than is available, and you know if you have multiple books with similar titles. Check the publication year and authors; that's usually good enough to tell them apart. I've not found a collection where you can browse all the law books in one place; you have to know what to search for. They provide most books as Adobe Digital Editions (i.e. encrypted PDFs with DRM). That's rather a pain to use, and really limits your options for software and hardware you can read it from, so for your convenience, here's how to crack it: 0. Make an Internet Archive account and register yourself with the print disabled access at https://archive.org/details/printdisabled 1. Install Adobe Digital Editions. Log in to it using the same email account you used for Internet Archive signup. https://www.adobe.com/solutions/ebook/digital-editions.html 2. Install Calibre (free e-book reader software) https://calibre-ebook.com/ 3. Download and unzip DeDRM Tools https://github.com/apprenticeharper/DeDRM_tools/releases/ 4. Open Calibre, go to preferences, plugins, load from file, and select "DeDRM_Plugin.zip" within the folder you just unzipped. Quit and restart Calibre. 5. While logged in, search Internet Archive (using the same URL) to find a book you want. On the details page, the sidebar should have a link labelled "download Adobe PDF". Click and download. This is an .ACSM file, which is actually just a link to where Adobe Digital Editions will download the real thing, not the book itself. 6. While logged in and online, open the Internet Archive provided .ACSM file using ADE. This will download the actual book onto your computer. It will still be encrypted, but at least it's on your computer, together with the decryption key. On Windows, it should be stored in your user folder under "Documents/My Digital Editions". 7. Open the ADE PDF (which is still encrypted) in Calibre. Assuming you installed the DeDRM plug-in, this will decrypt it and copy it to Calibre's separate save directory. You can find that by right clicking the listing in Calibre and click "open containing folder". 8. You now have a decrypted, OCRed PDF/A in Calibre's save folder. You can now just ignore the Adobe Digital Editions version; it's strictly worse. Instead, copy the Calibre version wherever youv want to read it. You should be able to use the decrypted PDF on any device and software you prefer. And it will be permanently available — not limited by the 14 day loan policy — because it's no longer using DRM to get permission to read every time you open it. Mind that the usual caveats about OCR quality apply. The scan quality is generally pretty good, so it's about as good as OCR can be expected, but it's not going to be as good as a native electronic version. Very rarely, they may have BRF files, but only if they have it in unencrypted format. So far I've only found that once. So you should mostly expect to deal with PDFs. They have encrypted EPUB available for some but not all books. The decryption process is the same. If available, the EPUB is much smaller, but it's still essentially an OCR extract (not natively electronic). My guess is that books with footnotes and the like — which means nearly all legal books — will be more of a pain to figure out in EPUB format than PDF. But try both and see what you prefer Also, mind that some of these are very large books — e.g. a treatise might be a couple hundred to a couple thousand pages, anywhere from 20 to 270 MB. That's not possible to break up if you have only the encrypted version, but after you decrypt it, you can break it up into separate parts just like any other PDF. And they do not have any of the nice navigation markup like chapter headings and so forth. You'll have to keep your own notes about what pages things are at and all that. It's ultimately just a scan. So there are all the usual drawbacks, on top of the annoyance of having to crack the DRM. On the other hand, it's free, in fairly high quality, easy to crack the DRM, and the collection covers a huge number of books that are usually very hard to find in an even partially accessible format (if at all), or outrageously expensive. FWIW, circumventing DRM in order to make content more accessible for blind people is perfectly legal, under Article 7 of the Marrakesh Treaty. It's nice that we get an exception for this. I hope it's useful to you all. Happy reading! Sincerely, Sai President, Fiat Fiendum, Inc., a 501(c)(3) Sent from my mobile phone; please excuse the concision and autocorrect errors. From maurakutnyak at gmail.com Fri Nov 11 19:07:35 2022 From: maurakutnyak at gmail.com (Maura Kutnyak) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2022 14:07:35 -0500 Subject: [blindLaw] The perennial bar prep question. Message-ID: <9D621F8A-E987-4395-999A-2DE0A2228922@gmail.com> Hello friends, I am writing to ask for any particularly positive, or negative, reviews regarding bar prep companies. I haven’t seen any recent messages on the topic and I don’t remember which company does best on Accessibility. I looked through the archives and didn’t find anything recent. I am also conducting a soft survey of my fellow 3Ls but of course they don’t have answers on access. I thank you all very much for your time! Sincerely, Maura Kutnyak, M.P.A. University at Buffalo School of Law, J.D. anticipated spring 2023 716-563-9882 From sanho817 at gmail.com Fri Nov 11 20:00:22 2022 From: sanho817 at gmail.com (Sanho Steele-Louchart) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2022 14:00:22 -0600 Subject: [blindLaw] The perennial bar prep question. In-Reply-To: <9D621F8A-E987-4395-999A-2DE0A2228922@gmail.com> References: <9D621F8A-E987-4395-999A-2DE0A2228922@gmail.com> Message-ID: Maura, I'll send a longer private message, but the short version is that I used Barbri and JD Advising. Barbri's online portal was clunky and I hated the embedded video player because it sometimes lacked a 2X button, so I stopped using the portal entirely. That was probably a bad move. Regardless, the folder of textbooks, outlines, and notes that they sent me was totally accessible and absolutely saved my bacon on the MBE. JD Advising's MEE One Sheets were fantastic in content, but terrible in predictions. More soon, Sanho On 11/11/22, Maura Kutnyak via BlindLaw wrote: > Hello friends, > > I am writing to ask for any particularly positive, or negative, reviews > regarding bar prep companies. I haven’t seen any recent messages on the > topic and I don’t remember which company does best on Accessibility. I > looked through the archives and didn’t find anything recent. > > I am also conducting a soft survey of my fellow 3Ls but of course they don’t > have answers on access. I thank you all very much for your time! > > Sincerely, > > Maura Kutnyak, M.P.A. > University at Buffalo > School of Law, J.D. > anticipated spring 2023 > 716-563-9882 > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sanho817%40gmail.com > -- He/Him From seifs at umich.edu Fri Nov 11 20:30:33 2022 From: seifs at umich.edu (Seif-Eldeen Saqallah) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2022 15:30:33 -0500 Subject: [blindLaw] The perennial bar prep question. In-Reply-To: References: <9D621F8A-E987-4395-999A-2DE0A2228922@gmail.com> Message-ID: Are you looking for UBE or state-specific? I used Barbri and, after coordinating with their accessibility person, was able to have all the materials, including mp4 video files, mailed to me on a flashdrive or sent by dropbox. For content, I loved Barbri. I also liked JD advising's onesheet and had accessible copies of those. Lastly, I quite benfited from Crushendo's audio outlines and their headings-organized pdfs. (They also had unprotected pdfs that they sent me if I need to convert.) It condensed the subjects into an hour-or-so long outline had audio mp3 files (helpful when moving around or for background tasks), a good formatted pdf. and, importantly, memorable mnemonics and an attack outline I found helpful. It is also not limited for the bar; they are good for general exam studying too. Each audio outline comes with a music version (soft classical music in the bacground to help). You can download a free subject to see how it works for you: I suggest choosing a subject with which you are least familiar (to see how it teaches you), or one you know more (to see how its learning compares to what you know/how you learn). Property and Civpro were helpful for me. Shop - Crushendo® https://crushendo.com/shop/ Code: 5687freetrial. (I hope that code is still valid; if not, contact them and they should give you the updated one.) Happy to talk to anyone about the bar too. Including listening to rants about how bad it is. :) Sincerely, Seif From teresitarios22 at gmail.com Sat Nov 12 01:28:38 2022 From: teresitarios22 at gmail.com (Teresita Rios) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2022 20:28:38 -0500 Subject: [blindLaw] Internet Archive extensive collection of law books for blind & print disabled people In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oh my gush!! Sai this is so cool! I will definitely check it out! I found some interesting books at the Internet Archive but thought they we’re just pictures of the books. I will definitely go through the spelled out process you provided to have the PDFs! With much gratitude, Teresita Rios J.D. candidate Notre Dame Law School > On Nov 11, 2022, at 12:46 PM, Sai via BlindLaw wrote: > > The Internet Archive has an extremely extensive collection of scanned > books, which are available to blind & print disabled people for free (e.g. > provable using a BARD or Bookshare account): > https://archive.org/details/printdisabled > > Surprisingly, this includes legal textbooks, treatises, academic books, > reference books, study books, etc. etc. Not the latest editions, but they > had at least a semi recent version of nearly everything I searched for. > > For example, here's Black's Law Dictionary (abridged) 2015: > https://archive.org/details/blackslawdiction0010edunse_r0f2 > > Here's one of my favourite books on US law — Eskridge, Frickey, & Garret's > Legislation and Statutory Interpretation: > https://archive.org/details/legislationstatu0000eskr > > I also found nearly the entire suite of UK law treatises on my reading list > (Blackstone's everything, Craies, Bennion, etc), as well as a full set of > bar exam (SQE) prep books. > > > Make sure to sort by published date when you do a search (or have sighted > assistance to check the cover images); the titles might be identical for > different editions, and the publication date is a pain to read for every > entry otherwise (it is on the details page, near the top of the metadata > block). > > There are also some books that have the same title in the list, but are > actually different books, like the "condensed" study versions, texts vs > commentaries, etc., or like every book that has a super generic name like > "administrative law". This is again very easy to tell apart from the cover > image, and it should be in the details page metadata, but it's a pain. If > you're doing it yourself, be sure to double check so you're not getting an > older version than is available, and you know if you have multiple books > with similar titles. Check the publication year and authors; that's usually > good enough to tell them apart. > > > I've not found a collection where you can browse all the law books in one > place; you have to know what to search for. > > > They provide most books as Adobe Digital Editions (i.e. encrypted PDFs with > DRM). > > That's rather a pain to use, and really limits your options for software > and hardware you can read it from, so for your convenience, here's how to > crack it: > > 0. Make an Internet Archive account and register yourself with the print > disabled access at https://archive.org/details/printdisabled > > 1. Install Adobe Digital Editions. Log in to it using the same email > account you used for Internet Archive signup. > https://www.adobe.com/solutions/ebook/digital-editions.html > > 2. Install Calibre (free e-book reader software) https://calibre-ebook.com/ > > 3. Download and unzip DeDRM Tools > https://github.com/apprenticeharper/DeDRM_tools/releases/ > > 4. Open Calibre, go to preferences, plugins, load from file, and select > "DeDRM_Plugin.zip" within the folder you just unzipped. Quit and restart > Calibre. > > 5. While logged in, search Internet Archive (using the same URL) to find a > book you want. On the details page, the sidebar should have a link labelled > "download Adobe PDF". Click and download. This is an .ACSM file, which is > actually just a link to where Adobe Digital Editions will download the real > thing, not the book itself. > > 6. While logged in and online, open the Internet Archive provided .ACSM > file using ADE. This will download the actual book onto your computer. It > will still be encrypted, but at least it's on your computer, together with > the decryption key. On Windows, it should be stored in your user folder > under "Documents/My Digital Editions". > > 7. Open the ADE PDF (which is still encrypted) in Calibre. Assuming you > installed the DeDRM plug-in, this will decrypt it and copy it to Calibre's > separate save directory. You can find that by right clicking the listing in > Calibre and click "open containing folder". > > 8. You now have a decrypted, OCRed PDF/A in Calibre's save folder. You can > now just ignore the Adobe Digital Editions version; it's strictly worse. > Instead, copy the Calibre version wherever youv want to read it. > > > You should be able to use the decrypted PDF on any device and software you > prefer. And it will be permanently available — not limited by the 14 day > loan policy — because it's no longer using DRM to get permission to read > every time you open it. > > > Mind that the usual caveats about OCR quality apply. The scan quality is > generally pretty good, so it's about as good as OCR can be expected, but > it's not going to be as good as a native electronic version. > > Very rarely, they may have BRF files, but only if they have it in > unencrypted format. So far I've only found that once. So you should mostly > expect to deal with PDFs. > > They have encrypted EPUB available for some but not all books. The > decryption process is the same. If available, the EPUB is much smaller, but > it's still essentially an OCR extract (not natively electronic). My guess > is that books with footnotes and the like — which means nearly all legal > books — will be more of a pain to figure out in EPUB format than PDF. But > try both and see what you prefer > > Also, mind that some of these are very large books — e.g. a treatise might > be a couple hundred to a couple thousand pages, anywhere from 20 to 270 MB. > That's not possible to break up if you have only the encrypted version, but > after you decrypt it, you can break it up into separate parts just like any > other PDF. > > And they do not have any of the nice navigation markup like chapter > headings and so forth. You'll have to keep your own notes about what pages > things are at and all that. > > It's ultimately just a scan. So there are all the usual drawbacks, on top > of the annoyance of having to crack the DRM. > > On the other hand, it's free, in fairly high quality, easy to crack the > DRM, and the collection covers a huge number of books that are usually very > hard to find in an even partially accessible format (if at all), or > outrageously expensive. > > > > FWIW, circumventing DRM in order to make content more accessible for blind > people is perfectly legal, under Article 7 of the Marrakesh Treaty. It's > nice that we get an exception for this. > > > I hope it's useful to you all. Happy reading! > > Sincerely, > Sai > President, Fiat Fiendum, Inc., a 501(c)(3) > > Sent from my mobile phone; please excuse the concision and autocorrect > errors. > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/teresitarios22%40gmail.com From kaybaycar at gmail.com Sat Nov 12 01:46:51 2022 From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2022 20:46:51 -0500 Subject: [blindLaw] The perennial bar prep question. In-Reply-To: References: <9D621F8A-E987-4395-999A-2DE0A2228922@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks for sending this. I am also beginning to research bar prep options. OMG they are expensive! So I want to get something that's worth the price. I think one of them offers a free course for prepping for the MPRE. I'm going to test that out first. I'm truly blown away at how expensive it is to study for and take the Bar. I hope there's at least one option that's worth it from an accessibility standpoint and provides lots of practice questions. Julie On 11/11/22, Seif-Eldeen Saqallah via BlindLaw wrote: > Are you looking for UBE or state-specific? > > I used Barbri and, after coordinating with their accessibility person, > was able to have all the materials, including mp4 video files, mailed > to me on a flashdrive or sent by dropbox. For content, I loved Barbri. > I also liked JD advising's onesheet and had accessible copies of those. > > Lastly, I quite benfited from Crushendo's audio outlines and their > headings-organized pdfs. (They also had unprotected pdfs that they > sent me if I need to convert.) > > It condensed the subjects into an hour-or-so long outline > had audio mp3 files (helpful when moving around or for background tasks), > a good formatted pdf. > and, importantly, memorable mnemonics and an attack outline I found helpful. > It is also not limited for the bar; they are good for general exam studying > too. > Each audio outline comes with a music version (soft classical music in > the bacground to help). > > You can download a free subject to see how it works for you: > I suggest choosing a subject with which you are least familiar (to see > how it teaches you), or one you know more (to see how its learning > compares to what you know/how you learn). > Property and Civpro were helpful for me. > > Shop - Crushendo® > https://crushendo.com/shop/ > Code: 5687freetrial. > (I hope that code is still valid; if not, contact them and they should > give you the updated one.) > > Happy to talk to anyone about the bar too. > Including listening to rants about how bad it is. :) > > Sincerely, > Seif > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com > -- Julie A. McGinnity MM Vocal Performance, 2015; American University Washington College of Law, JD Candidate 2023 From sanho817 at gmail.com Sat Nov 12 01:56:21 2022 From: sanho817 at gmail.com (Sanho Steele-Louchart) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2022 19:56:21 -0600 Subject: [blindLaw] The perennial bar prep question. In-Reply-To: References: <9D621F8A-E987-4395-999A-2DE0A2228922@gmail.com> Message-ID: Julie, I would say that Barbri was worth it. Perhaps vocrehab or other scholarship opportunities could cover it? Warmth, Sanho On 11/11/22, Julie McGinnity via BlindLaw wrote: > Thanks for sending this. I am also beginning to research bar prep > options. OMG they are expensive! So I want to get something that's > worth the price. I think one of them offers a free course for prepping > for the MPRE. I'm going to test that out first. > > I'm truly blown away at how expensive it is to study for and take the > Bar. I hope there's at least one option that's worth it from an > accessibility standpoint and provides lots of practice questions. > > Julie > > > On 11/11/22, Seif-Eldeen Saqallah via BlindLaw wrote: >> Are you looking for UBE or state-specific? >> >> I used Barbri and, after coordinating with their accessibility person, >> was able to have all the materials, including mp4 video files, mailed >> to me on a flashdrive or sent by dropbox. For content, I loved Barbri. >> I also liked JD advising's onesheet and had accessible copies of those. >> >> Lastly, I quite benfited from Crushendo's audio outlines and their >> headings-organized pdfs. (They also had unprotected pdfs that they >> sent me if I need to convert.) >> >> It condensed the subjects into an hour-or-so long outline >> had audio mp3 files (helpful when moving around or for background tasks), >> a good formatted pdf. >> and, importantly, memorable mnemonics and an attack outline I found >> helpful. >> It is also not limited for the bar; they are good for general exam >> studying >> too. >> Each audio outline comes with a music version (soft classical music in >> the bacground to help). >> >> You can download a free subject to see how it works for you: >> I suggest choosing a subject with which you are least familiar (to see >> how it teaches you), or one you know more (to see how its learning >> compares to what you know/how you learn). >> Property and Civpro were helpful for me. >> >> Shop - Crushendo® >> https://crushendo.com/shop/ >> Code: 5687freetrial. >> (I hope that code is still valid; if not, contact them and they should >> give you the updated one.) >> >> Happy to talk to anyone about the bar too. >> Including listening to rants about how bad it is. :) >> >> Sincerely, >> Seif >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Julie A. McGinnity > MM Vocal Performance, 2015; American University Washington College of > Law, JD Candidate 2023 > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sanho817%40gmail.com > -- He/Him From amarjain at amarjain.com Sat Nov 12 02:07:07 2022 From: amarjain at amarjain.com (Amar Jain) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2022 07:37:07 +0530 Subject: [blindLaw] Accessible POS devices Message-ID: <9695787a53d7047af70fc0f791575be2@amarjain.com> Dear all, We are advocating for adoption of accessible point of sale devices for credit and debit card transactions in India through intervention of the judiciary. Has the availability of accessible POS devices improved in U.S. over the years? And are there economically viable solutions available in U.S. market which meet accessibility standards? If you could point me to any contact who is willing to help and guide on what should be our recommendation in terms of the standards and what sample devices can be explored, I will be greatful. Regards, Amar Jain From maurakutnyak at gmail.com Sat Nov 12 03:13:17 2022 From: maurakutnyak at gmail.com (Maura Kutnyak) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2022 22:13:17 -0500 Subject: [blindLaw] The perennial bar prep question. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20B6E961-66DC-4EDE-B3BD-7AFF83791339@gmail.com> Thanks everyone for sharing your perspectives. I agree with you Julie! The pricing is uncomfortably high! That is in part why I want to be very careful about making the right choice. I don’t want to do this more than once!. I used Themis for MPRE prep. It was free and quite usable with a couple quirks that I can’t quite remember. I didn’t like it that much though. The Contant felt a little thin but in the end I guess it worked well enough because I passed. Seif, i’ll sit for the bar in New York. I’m pretty sure that means I’m looking for UBE questions. Thanks for all the great tips and resources. Sanho, as always, thank you very much for being generous with your time and knowledge. I really appreciate the detailed email you sent off list! Sincerely, Maura Kutnyak, M.P.A. University at Buffalo School of Law, J.D. anticipated spring 2023 716-563-9882 > On Nov 11, 2022, at 8:57 PM, Sanho Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw wrote: > > Julie, > > I would say that Barbri was worth it. Perhaps vocrehab or other > scholarship opportunities could cover it? > > Warmth, > Sanho > >> On 11/11/22, Julie McGinnity via BlindLaw wrote: >> Thanks for sending this. I am also beginning to research bar prep >> options. OMG they are expensive! So I want to get something that's >> worth the price. I think one of them offers a free course for prepping >> for the MPRE. I'm going to test that out first. >> >> I'm truly blown away at how expensive it is to study for and take the >> Bar. I hope there's at least one option that's worth it from an >> accessibility standpoint and provides lots of practice questions. >> >> Julie >> >> >>> On 11/11/22, Seif-Eldeen Saqallah via BlindLaw wrote: >>> Are you looking for UBE or state-specific? >>> >>> I used Barbri and, after coordinating with their accessibility person, >>> was able to have all the materials, including mp4 video files, mailed >>> to me on a flashdrive or sent by dropbox. For content, I loved Barbri. >>> I also liked JD advising's onesheet and had accessible copies of those. >>> >>> Lastly, I quite benfited from Crushendo's audio outlines and their >>> headings-organized pdfs. (They also had unprotected pdfs that they >>> sent me if I need to convert.) >>> >>> It condensed the subjects into an hour-or-so long outline >>> had audio mp3 files (helpful when moving around or for background tasks), >>> a good formatted pdf. >>> and, importantly, memorable mnemonics and an attack outline I found >>> helpful. >>> It is also not limited for the bar; they are good for general exam >>> studying >>> too. >>> Each audio outline comes with a music version (soft classical music in >>> the bacground to help). >>> >>> You can download a free subject to see how it works for you: >>> I suggest choosing a subject with which you are least familiar (to see >>> how it teaches you), or one you know more (to see how its learning >>> compares to what you know/how you learn). >>> Property and Civpro were helpful for me. >>> >>> Shop - Crushendo® >>> https://crushendo.com/shop/ >>> Code: 5687freetrial. >>> (I hope that code is still valid; if not, contact them and they should >>> give you the updated one.) >>> >>> Happy to talk to anyone about the bar too. >>> Including listening to rants about how bad it is. :) >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> Seif >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Julie A. McGinnity >> MM Vocal Performance, 2015; American University Washington College of >> Law, JD Candidate 2023 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sanho817%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > He/Him > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/maurakutnyak%40gmail.com From raywayne1959 at gmail.com Sat Nov 12 14:47:07 2022 From: raywayne1959 at gmail.com (raywayne1959 at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2022 09:47:07 -0500 Subject: [blindLaw] The perennial bar prep question. In-Reply-To: References: <9D621F8A-E987-4395-999A-2DE0A2228922@gmail.com> Message-ID: <002801d8f6a5$a3c827f0$eb5877d0$@gmail.com> If you are a Rehab client, you may be able to get them to pay for it, assuming your rehab goal is becoming a lawyer. Ray Wayne -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Julie McGinnity via BlindLaw Sent: Friday, November 11, 2022 8:47 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Julie McGinnity Subject: Re: [blindLaw] The perennial bar prep question. Thanks for sending this. I am also beginning to research bar prep options. OMG they are expensive! So I want to get something that's worth the price. I think one of them offers a free course for prepping for the MPRE. I'm going to test that out first. I'm truly blown away at how expensive it is to study for and take the Bar. I hope there's at least one option that's worth it from an accessibility standpoint and provides lots of practice questions. Julie On 11/11/22, Seif-Eldeen Saqallah via BlindLaw wrote: > Are you looking for UBE or state-specific? > > I used Barbri and, after coordinating with their accessibility person, > was able to have all the materials, including mp4 video files, mailed > to me on a flashdrive or sent by dropbox. For content, I loved Barbri. > I also liked JD advising's onesheet and had accessible copies of those. > > Lastly, I quite benfited from Crushendo's audio outlines and their > headings-organized pdfs. (They also had unprotected pdfs that they > sent me if I need to convert.) > > It condensed the subjects into an hour-or-so long outline had audio > mp3 files (helpful when moving around or for background tasks), a good > formatted pdf. > and, importantly, memorable mnemonics and an attack outline I found helpful. > It is also not limited for the bar; they are good for general exam > studying too. > Each audio outline comes with a music version (soft classical music in > the bacground to help). > > You can download a free subject to see how it works for you: > I suggest choosing a subject with which you are least familiar (to see > how it teaches you), or one you know more (to see how its learning > compares to what you know/how you learn). > Property and Civpro were helpful for me. > > Shop - Crushendo® > https://crushendo.com/shop/ > Code: 5687freetrial. > (I hope that code is still valid; if not, contact them and they should > give you the updated one.) > > Happy to talk to anyone about the bar too. > Including listening to rants about how bad it is. :) > > Sincerely, > Seif > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmai > l.com > -- Julie A. McGinnity MM Vocal Performance, 2015; American University Washington College of Law, JD Candidate 2023 _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/raywayne1959%40gmail.com From iamcerridwyn at gmail.com Sat Nov 12 15:29:48 2022 From: iamcerridwyn at gmail.com (Cerridwyn Nordstrom) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2022 08:29:48 -0700 Subject: [blindLaw] The perennial bar prep question. (Cerridwyn Nordstrom) Message-ID: Hi Maura, I just took the bar in July of this year. For bar prep I did Themis and added on adaptibar. To me, Themis was basically ideal. I worked with their accessibility team and they were super helpful and I didn't have any massive accessibility issues while using their program. On top of that, a big difference between Themis and Barbri from a more general lens is how they present the material. Themis breaks their lectures and problem sets down into shorter sections (like 15-20 minutes) whereas Barbri covers whole topics in long videos that cover everything at once. I personally do better with shorter lectures, so this was a big perk for me. I originally also got adaptibar specifically for their MBE sets, because I had multiple people recommend it. However, Themis now has access to Uworld which provides 1000s of real MBE sets, so I didn't use adaptibar as much. As an aside, if you use reddit at all, I have found the r/barexam forum really really helpful as someone going through the bar exam. From that reddit, I know a lot of people had massive tech issues with Barbri this time around (the program going down or Barbri doing multi day updates during the bar prep season). Overall I was glad I chose Themis. I am happy to talk more about this over private messages as well, but I hope that helps. Take care, *Cerridwyn Nordstrom* (She, her, hers) *“‘No’ has fueled many a revolution.”* - Cheryl Marie Wade From youngdav90 at gmail.com Sat Nov 12 21:36:04 2022 From: youngdav90 at gmail.com (hello) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2022 21:36:04 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] Reuquest Message-ID: <71606168793909241a220066@mlsend.com> Hello, You have received a newsletter from hello. However, your email software can't display HTML emails. You can view the newsletter by clicking here: https://gwryox.clicks.mlsend.com/te/cl/eyJ2Ijoie1wiYVwiOjIyMDA2NixcImxcIjo3MTYwNjE2NzEyNjY3MjUyNCxcInJcIjo3MTYwNjE2ODc5MzkwOTI0MX0iLCJzIjoiODg4Y2JhZDA0ZTliN2U5NiJ9 You're receiving this newsletter because you have shown interest in hello. Not interested anymore? Click here to unsubscribe: https://gwryox.clicks.mlsend.com/te/cl/eyJ2Ijoie1wiYVwiOjIyMDA2NixcImxcIjo3MTYwNjE2NzEyMTQyOTY0MyxcInJcIjo3MTYwNjE2ODc5MzkwOTI0MX0iLCJzIjoiMjkzNWVhYTA0MzYyMTJhNSJ9 From ces2266 at columbia.edu Tue Nov 15 05:34:56 2022 From: ces2266 at columbia.edu (Caleb E. Smith) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2022 00:34:56 -0500 Subject: [blindLaw] The perennial bar prep question. (Cerridwyn Nordstrom) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I agree with everything above about Themis. Absolutely fantastic On Sat, Nov 12, 2022 at 10:31 AM Cerridwyn Nordstrom via BlindLaw < blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: > Hi Maura, > > I just took the bar in July of this year. For bar prep I did Themis and > added on adaptibar. To me, Themis was basically ideal. I worked with their > accessibility team and they were super helpful and I didn't have any > massive accessibility issues while using their program. On top of that, a > big difference between Themis and Barbri from a more general lens is how > they present the material. Themis breaks their lectures and problem sets > down into shorter sections (like 15-20 minutes) whereas Barbri covers whole > topics in long videos that cover everything at once. I personally do better > with shorter lectures, so this was a big perk for me. > > I originally also got adaptibar specifically for their MBE sets, because I > had multiple people recommend it. However, Themis now has access to Uworld > which provides 1000s of real MBE sets, so I didn't use adaptibar as much. > > As an aside, if you use reddit at all, I have found the r/barexam forum > really really helpful as someone going through the bar exam. From that > reddit, I know a lot of people had massive tech issues with Barbri this > time around (the program going down or Barbri doing multi day updates > during the bar prep season). Overall I was glad I chose Themis. > > I am happy to talk more about this over private messages as well, but I > hope that helps. > > Take care, > > *Cerridwyn Nordstrom* (She, her, hers) > > *“‘No’ has fueled many a revolution.”* > - Cheryl Marie Wade > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ces2266%40columbia.edu > From maurakutnyak at gmail.com Tue Nov 15 12:11:14 2022 From: maurakutnyak at gmail.com (Maura Kutnyak) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2022 07:11:14 -0500 Subject: [blindLaw] The perennial bar prep question. (Cerridwyn Nordstrom) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <794BA4F3-6378-46FC-8026-B7A4F3759651@gmail.com> Thank you so much Cerrigwin for the details. Shorter lectures do sound more manageable/tolerable during the marathon of bar prep. And I’m glad to know that they have the MBE questions. Thanks Caleb for the second affirmative vote! Sincerely, Maura Kutnyak, M.P.A. University at Buffalo School of Law, J.D. anticipated spring 2023 716-563-9882 > On Nov 15, 2022, at 12:36 AM, Caleb E. Smith via BlindLaw wrote: > > I agree with everything above about Themis. Absolutely fantastic > >> On Sat, Nov 12, 2022 at 10:31 AM Cerridwyn Nordstrom via BlindLaw < >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: >> >> Hi Maura, >> >> I just took the bar in July of this year. For bar prep I did Themis and >> added on adaptibar. To me, Themis was basically ideal. I worked with their >> accessibility team and they were super helpful and I didn't have any >> massive accessibility issues while using their program. On top of that, a >> big difference between Themis and Barbri from a more general lens is how >> they present the material. Themis breaks their lectures and problem sets >> down into shorter sections (like 15-20 minutes) whereas Barbri covers whole >> topics in long videos that cover everything at once. I personally do better >> with shorter lectures, so this was a big perk for me. >> >> I originally also got adaptibar specifically for their MBE sets, because I >> had multiple people recommend it. However, Themis now has access to Uworld >> which provides 1000s of real MBE sets, so I didn't use adaptibar as much. >> >> As an aside, if you use reddit at all, I have found the r/barexam forum >> really really helpful as someone going through the bar exam. From that >> reddit, I know a lot of people had massive tech issues with Barbri this >> time around (the program going down or Barbri doing multi day updates >> during the bar prep season). Overall I was glad I chose Themis. >> >> I am happy to talk more about this over private messages as well, but I >> hope that helps. >> >> Take care, >> >> *Cerridwyn Nordstrom* (She, her, hers) >> >> *“‘No’ has fueled many a revolution.”* >> - Cheryl Marie Wade >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/ces2266%40columbia.edu >> > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/maurakutnyak%40gmail.com From ThomasDukeman at outlook.com Tue Nov 15 14:53:23 2022 From: ThomasDukeman at outlook.com (Thomas Dukeman) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2022 14:53:23 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] Understanding American Judicial Stance on Treating Libel and Slander Message-ID: Hello Blind law, I have a question about how libel and/or slander work in the US. It got covered in my business law class but I feel this might be more of a constitutional law question instead. I recall that because the Freedom of Speech clause of the 1st Amendment to the US Constitution and that it is mostly the reason why Libel and Slander cases are very hard to find a legal basis for standing in the first place. I do not know how high it went but I am talking about the legal case the state of Texas raised against Alex Jones over his remarks regarding the tragic Sandy Hook shooting on Libel/Slander. The court found him liable and now I know in America we are allowed to appeal to an appellate court for a review of the case if we do not feel it was judged fairly or judicial procedure was not adequately observed and followed. My question is if he has already appealed and the decision affirmed, is there any legal recourse if he then goes on to claim the case that has already been decided and found to have been performed on a legally sound basis was not and that it feels that he is being unfairly persecuted. I am not bringing this up as a political issue but something I feel I need a better understanding of legally because it is something the US has always struggled with and are bound to see more of it in the future. Thanks for your time to help, Tom Sent from Mail for Windows From davant1958 at gmail.com Thu Nov 17 14:46:46 2022 From: davant1958 at gmail.com (davant1958 at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2022 08:46:46 -0600 Subject: [blindLaw] ABA Center for Children in the LAW Is Hiring Message-ID: <018201d8fa93$6b69ec30$423dc490$@gmail.com> The ABA Center on Children and the Law is growing and we'd love for you to join our Team! We are hiring for the following two attorney positions. 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These roles do not involve direct legal representation. View the Full Job Description and Apply From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com Fri Nov 18 07:26:00 2022 From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 12:56:00 +0530 Subject: [blindLaw] accessing edit menu in one drive [online version] Message-ID: Hi All, My office colleagues use One Drive for collaboration. One challenge that I face is this. Sometimes, a document is shared with me via email. I am expected to open it, go to the edit menu, click on open in desktop, and then the document will open in word. However, the problem that arises is that I am unable to find the edit menu with the keyboard. ANy ideas? Rahul -- -- Rahul Bajaj Attorney, Ira Law Senior Associate Fellow, Vidhi Centre for Legal Policy Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018), University of Oxford Co-Founder, Mission Accessibility Special Correspondent on the rights of persons with disabilities, Oxford Human Rights Hub Coordinator of the working group on accessibility, e-Committee, Supreme Court of India From shannonldillon at gmail.com Fri Nov 18 21:51:04 2022 From: shannonldillon at gmail.com (Shannon Dillon) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 13:51:04 -0800 Subject: [blindLaw] accessing edit menu in one drive [online version] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <267445D4-E976-4BA2-89E5-67E3BB084563@gmail.com> We use OneDrive at my office as well. And people send me links to files they have shared from OneDrive. My computer people set my computer up so that anything I open automatically opens in the desktop version of Word. That’s meWe use OneDrive at my office as well. And people send me links to files they have shared from OneDrive. My computer people set my computer up so that anything I open automatically opens in the desktop version of Word. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 17, 2022, at 11:27 PM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw wrote: >  Hi All, > > My office colleagues use One Drive for collaboration. One challenge that I > face is this. Sometimes, a document is shared with me via email. I am > expected to open it, go to the edit menu, click on open in desktop, and > then the document will open in word. However, the problem that arises is > that I am unable to find the edit menu with the keyboard. ANy ideas? > > Rahul > > -- > -- > Rahul Bajaj > Attorney, Ira Law > Senior Associate Fellow, Vidhi Centre for Legal Policy > Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018), University of Oxford > Co-Founder, Mission Accessibility > Special Correspondent on the rights of persons with disabilities, Oxford > Human Rights Hub > Coordinator of the working group on accessibility, e-Committee, Supreme > Court of India > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/shannonldillon%40gmail.com From sanho817 at gmail.com Sat Nov 19 05:41:56 2022 From: sanho817 at gmail.com (Sanho Steele-Louchart) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 23:41:56 -0600 Subject: [blindLaw] accessing edit menu in one drive [online version] In-Reply-To: <267445D4-E976-4BA2-89E5-67E3BB084563@gmail.com> References: <267445D4-E976-4BA2-89E5-67E3BB084563@gmail.com> Message-ID: Rahul, I use One Drive multiple times a day and have for years. I've never had this problem. Which browser and screen-reader are you using? I'll try to figure out the issue. Sanho On 11/18/22, Shannon Dillon via BlindLaw wrote: > We use OneDrive at my office as well. And people send me links to files they > have shared from OneDrive. My computer people set my computer up so that > anything I open automatically opens in the desktop version of Word. That’s > meWe use OneDrive at my office as well. And people send me links to files > they have shared from OneDrive. My computer people set my computer up so > that anything I open automatically opens in the desktop version of Word. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Nov 17, 2022, at 11:27 PM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw >> wrote: >>  Hi All, >> >> My office colleagues use One Drive for collaboration. One challenge that I >> face is this. Sometimes, a document is shared with me via email. I am >> expected to open it, go to the edit menu, click on open in desktop, and >> then the document will open in word. However, the problem that arises is >> that I am unable to find the edit menu with the keyboard. ANy ideas? >> >> Rahul >> >> -- >> -- >> Rahul Bajaj >> Attorney, Ira Law >> Senior Associate Fellow, Vidhi Centre for Legal Policy >> Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018), University of Oxford >> Co-Founder, Mission Accessibility >> Special Correspondent on the rights of persons with disabilities, Oxford >> Human Rights Hub >> Coordinator of the working group on accessibility, e-Committee, Supreme >> Court of India >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/shannonldillon%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sanho817%40gmail.com > -- He/Him From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com Sat Nov 19 08:36:46 2022 From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj) Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2022 14:06:46 +0530 Subject: [blindLaw] accessing edit menu in one drive [online version] In-Reply-To: References: <267445D4-E976-4BA2-89E5-67E3BB084563@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks, both. Shannon, that is what I have asked my IT guy to do. He has done it for items in folders that have been shared with me. THose automatically open in word when I click on the link in my email. But for documents that are outside the folders that have already been shared with me, this does not work. e.g. if the document is of a new client whose folder has not previously been shared with me. On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 at 11:13, Sanho Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw < blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: > Rahul, > > I use One Drive multiple times a day and have for years. I've never > had this problem. Which browser and screen-reader are you using? I'll > try to figure out the issue. > > Sanho > > On 11/18/22, Shannon Dillon via BlindLaw wrote: > > We use OneDrive at my office as well. And people send me links to files > they > > have shared from OneDrive. My computer people set my computer up so that > > anything I open automatically opens in the desktop version of Word. > That’s > > meWe use OneDrive at my office as well. And people send me links to files > > they have shared from OneDrive. My computer people set my computer up so > > that anything I open automatically opens in the desktop version of Word. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Nov 17, 2022, at 11:27 PM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw > >> wrote: > >>  Hi All, > >> > >> My office colleagues use One Drive for collaboration. One challenge > that I > >> face is this. Sometimes, a document is shared with me via email. I am > >> expected to open it, go to the edit menu, click on open in desktop, and > >> then the document will open in word. However, the problem that arises > is > >> that I am unable to find the edit menu with the keyboard. ANy ideas? > >> > >> Rahul > >> > >> -- > >> -- > >> Rahul Bajaj > >> Attorney, Ira Law > >> Senior Associate Fellow, Vidhi Centre for Legal Policy > >> Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018), University of Oxford > >> Co-Founder, Mission Accessibility > >> Special Correspondent on the rights of persons with disabilities, Oxford > >> Human Rights Hub > >> Coordinator of the working group on accessibility, e-Committee, Supreme > >> Court of India > >> _______________________________________________ > >> BlindLaw mailing list > >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> BlindLaw: > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/shannonldillon%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > BlindLaw mailing list > > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > BlindLaw: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sanho817%40gmail.com > > > > > -- > He/Him > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rahul.bajaj1038%40gmail.com > -- -- Rahul Bajaj Attorney, Ira Law Senior Associate Fellow, Vidhi Centre for Legal Policy Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018), University of Oxford Co-Founder, Mission Accessibility Special Correspondent on the rights of persons with disabilities, Oxford Human Rights Hub Coordinator of the working group on accessibility, e-Committee, Supreme Court of India From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com Sat Nov 19 08:37:29 2022 From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj) Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2022 14:07:29 +0530 Subject: [blindLaw] accessing edit menu in one drive [online version] In-Reply-To: References: <267445D4-E976-4BA2-89E5-67E3BB084563@gmail.com> Message-ID: Sanho, Thanks. I use JAWS 2022 and Microsoft Edge. Do such docs open directly in word for you also? Rahul On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 at 11:13, Sanho Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw < blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: > Rahul, > > I use One Drive multiple times a day and have for years. I've never > had this problem. Which browser and screen-reader are you using? I'll > try to figure out the issue. > > Sanho > > On 11/18/22, Shannon Dillon via BlindLaw wrote: > > We use OneDrive at my office as well. And people send me links to files > they > > have shared from OneDrive. My computer people set my computer up so that > > anything I open automatically opens in the desktop version of Word. > That’s > > meWe use OneDrive at my office as well. And people send me links to files > > they have shared from OneDrive. My computer people set my computer up so > > that anything I open automatically opens in the desktop version of Word. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Nov 17, 2022, at 11:27 PM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw > >> wrote: > >>  Hi All, > >> > >> My office colleagues use One Drive for collaboration. One challenge > that I > >> face is this. Sometimes, a document is shared with me via email. I am > >> expected to open it, go to the edit menu, click on open in desktop, and > >> then the document will open in word. However, the problem that arises > is > >> that I am unable to find the edit menu with the keyboard. ANy ideas? > >> > >> Rahul > >> > >> -- > >> -- > >> Rahul Bajaj > >> Attorney, Ira Law > >> Senior Associate Fellow, Vidhi Centre for Legal Policy > >> Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018), University of Oxford > >> Co-Founder, Mission Accessibility > >> Special Correspondent on the rights of persons with disabilities, Oxford > >> Human Rights Hub > >> Coordinator of the working group on accessibility, e-Committee, Supreme > >> Court of India > >> _______________________________________________ > >> BlindLaw mailing list > >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> BlindLaw: > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/shannonldillon%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > BlindLaw mailing list > > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > BlindLaw: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sanho817%40gmail.com > > > > > -- > He/Him > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rahul.bajaj1038%40gmail.com > -- -- Rahul Bajaj Attorney, Ira Law Senior Associate Fellow, Vidhi Centre for Legal Policy Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018), University of Oxford Co-Founder, Mission Accessibility Special Correspondent on the rights of persons with disabilities, Oxford Human Rights Hub Coordinator of the working group on accessibility, e-Committee, Supreme Court of India From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com Mon Nov 21 05:35:58 2022 From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2022 11:05:58 +0530 Subject: [blindLaw] not panicking when jaws freezes Message-ID: hi all, what do you do when you are in an important meeting, heavily relaint on jaws, and he suddenly stops talking? how do you deal with that situation constructively? Rahul -- -- Rahul Bajaj Attorney, Ira Law Senior Associate Fellow, Vidhi Centre for Legal Policy Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018), University of Oxford Co-Founder, Mission Accessibility Special Correspondent on the rights of persons with disabilities, Oxford Human Rights Hub Coordinator of the working group on accessibility, e-Committee, Supreme Court of India From 711jll at gmail.com Mon Nov 21 12:12:11 2022 From: 711jll at gmail.com (Jermesa Lee) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2022 07:12:11 -0500 Subject: [blindLaw] not panicking when jaws freezes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <08D95822-C5C5-48B0-9461-39B175C0B3D9@gmail.com> Quickly restart jaws. Insert f4, windows r, type jaws2022 ( or whichever version you have), press enter > On Nov 21, 2022, at 12:37 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw wrote: > > hi all, > > what do you do when you are in an important meeting, heavily relaint on > jaws, and he suddenly stops talking? how do you deal with that situation > constructively? > > Rahul > > -- > -- > Rahul Bajaj > Attorney, Ira Law > Senior Associate Fellow, Vidhi Centre for Legal Policy > Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018), University of Oxford > Co-Founder, Mission Accessibility > Special Correspondent on the rights of persons with disabilities, Oxford > Human Rights Hub > Coordinator of the working group on accessibility, e-Committee, Supreme > Court of India > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/711jll%40gmail.com From AMatney at reedsmith.com Mon Nov 21 13:31:04 2022 From: AMatney at reedsmith.com (Matney, Angela R.) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2022 13:31:04 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] not panicking when jaws freezes In-Reply-To: <08D95822-C5C5-48B0-9461-39B175C0B3D9@gmail.com> References: <08D95822-C5C5-48B0-9461-39B175C0B3D9@gmail.com> Message-ID: If you press Windows+Insert+F4, JAWS will shut down without further intervention. Sometimes it will restart, but you can use Windows-R as described below to run it if it doesn’t resurrect itself. I also have asked for a brief pause while I get my screen reader up and running again. Most people are quite understanding when it comes to tech glitches. Angela R. 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Smith) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2022 18:55:46 -0500 Subject: [blindLaw] Seasoned Civil Litigators In-Reply-To: <81a836742a3d4e9cb2c46c1cfb4a85a6@cov.com> References: <81a836742a3d4e9cb2c46c1cfb4a85a6@cov.com> Message-ID: Hi. Sorry I don’t have anything to add. But was wondering if you’d have time to speak on the phone? I think we spoke earlier my last order. I’ve started now with the tax department of Davis Polk and would just love to get pointers from someone else who has been in the Glock. On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 6:43 PM Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw < blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: > Hi All, > > At the risk of having this message get buried in the pre-holiday rush, I > would be grateful if some of the more seasoned litigators could contact me > off list. I am talking about 2-3 years as a trial attorney handling > everything from complaint to the notice of appeal. Among other things, I > would like to compare notes on how to conduct effective non-visual > discovery. I am trying to brush up and refine skills given the inflection > point of an impending new year. > > Thanks! > Nikki > > > Nandini Singh > > Covington & Burling LLP > One CityCenter, 850 Tenth Street, NW > Washington, DC 20001-4956 > T +1 202 662 5113 | nsingh at cov.com > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cov.com&d=DwIFAg&c=009klHSCxuh5AI1vNQzSO0KGjl4nbi2Q0M1QLJX9BeE&r=NVuP2CFTVscC2z-xGElKFVDLkrx9_xr6N6qVLnx_jHs&m=TJXs4SO-3KMSv48cTIG5uBmxq9qDhJ35i1-la5B3-pJ9XM0K21XGaINQU5tTGxKA&s=ritV9U4WQeVMWsenZkZPP8WJJtMAIV_eYpQZs6c67J0&e= > > [cid:image001.jpg at 01D8FEA2.298811D0] > This message is from a law firm and may contain information that is > confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, > please immediately advise the sender by reply e-mail that this message has > been inadvertently transmitted to you and delete this e-mail from your > system. Thank you for your cooperation. > > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__nfbnet.org_mailman_listinfo_blindlaw-5Fnfbnet.org&d=DwICAg&c=009klHSCxuh5AI1vNQzSO0KGjl4nbi2Q0M1QLJX9BeE&r=NVuP2CFTVscC2z-xGElKFVDLkrx9_xr6N6qVLnx_jHs&m=TJXs4SO-3KMSv48cTIG5uBmxq9qDhJ35i1-la5B3-pJ9XM0K21XGaINQU5tTGxKA&s=W0-DmnHfEESRyIQDRI9KdnC1gm8ybchGodl7KoaedfI&e= > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__nfbnet.org_mailman_options_blindlaw-5Fnfbnet.org_ces2266-2540columbia.edu&d=DwICAg&c=009klHSCxuh5AI1vNQzSO0KGjl4nbi2Q0M1QLJX9BeE&r=NVuP2CFTVscC2z-xGElKFVDLkrx9_xr6N6qVLnx_jHs&m=TJXs4SO-3KMSv48cTIG5uBmxq9qDhJ35i1-la5B3-pJ9XM0K21XGaINQU5tTGxKA&s=6eVMYAwWX5j3NWOQETGgr0oIRa4QLuMRv1V8ZLKjkmA&e= > From raywayne1959 at gmail.com Wed Nov 23 00:29:40 2022 From: raywayne1959 at gmail.com (raywayne1959 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2022 19:29:40 -0500 Subject: [blindLaw] Contact Information Requested In-Reply-To: <62c1be6d3bff4a969bf10258a8317e59@cov.com> References: <62c1be6d3bff4a969bf10258a8317e59@cov.com> Message-ID: <004901d8fed2$ad4754b0$07d5fe10$@gmail.com> She retired earlier this year. I think I have her phone number, but I would rather check with her before giving it to anyone. Ray Wayne -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2022 6:36 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Singh, Nandini Subject: [blindLaw] Contact Information Requested Hi All, If anyone has a current email address or phone for Mildred Rivera Rao, who I believe is at EEOC, I would be grateful if you could reach me off list. Regards, Nikki Nandini Singh Covington & Burling LLP One CityCenter, 850 Tenth Street, NW Washington, DC 20001-4956 T +1 202 662 5113 | nsingh at cov.com www.cov.com [cid:image001.jpg at 01D8FEA1.4B7ECAA0] This message is from a law firm and may contain information that is confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please immediately advise the sender by reply e-mail that this message has been inadvertently transmitted to you and delete this e-mail from your system. Thank you for your cooperation. From rothmanjd at gmail.com Wed Nov 23 00:33:44 2022 From: rothmanjd at gmail.com (Ronza Othman) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2022 18:33:44 -0600 Subject: [blindLaw] Contact Information Requested In-Reply-To: <004901d8fed2$ad4754b0$07d5fe10$@gmail.com> References: <004901d8fed2$ad4754b0$07d5fe10$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <62F5FB19-2625-48E1-BA63-87BD7D790387@gmail.com> Hi Nikki, I forwarded your message to her as she is, indeed retired. Ronza Othman, President National Federation of the Blind of Maryland 443-426-4110 Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 22, 2022, at 6:31 PM, Ray Wayne via BlindLaw wrote: > > She retired earlier this year. I think I have her phone number, but I would > rather check with her before giving it to anyone. > Ray Wayne > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Singh, Nandini via > BlindLaw > Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2022 6:36 PM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Singh, Nandini > Subject: [blindLaw] Contact Information Requested > > Hi All, > > If anyone has a current email address or phone for Mildred Rivera Rao, who I > believe is at EEOC, I would be grateful if you could reach me off list. > > Regards, > Nikki > > Nandini Singh > > Covington & Burling LLP > One CityCenter, 850 Tenth Street, NW > Washington, DC 20001-4956 > T +1 202 662 5113 | nsingh at cov.com > www.cov.com > > [cid:image001.jpg at 01D8FEA1.4B7ECAA0] > This message is from a law firm and may contain information that is > confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, > please immediately advise the sender by reply e-mail that this message has > been inadvertently transmitted to you and delete this e-mail from your > system. Thank you for your cooperation. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rothmanjd%40gmail.com From NSingh at cov.com Wed Nov 23 03:23:38 2022 From: NSingh at cov.com (Singh, Nandini) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2022 03:23:38 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] Contact Information Requested In-Reply-To: <62F5FB19-2625-48E1-BA63-87BD7D790387@gmail.com> References: <004901d8fed2$ad4754b0$07d5fe10$@gmail.com> <62F5FB19-2625-48E1-BA63-87BD7D790387@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0ee29ab981ce462aaeb4a7bf7100691e@cov.com> Fair enough. Thank you both. I am not sure if she would remember me, but I figure this may be a better way than LinkedIn's more clunky messaging interface. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Ronza Othman via BlindLaw Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2022 7:34 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Ronza Othman Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Contact Information Requested [EXTERNAL] Hi Nikki, I forwarded your message to her as she is, indeed retired. Ronza Othman, President National Federation of the Blind of Maryland 443-426-4110 Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 22, 2022, at 6:31 PM, Ray Wayne via BlindLaw wrote: > > She retired earlier this year. I think I have her phone number, but I > would rather check with her before giving it to anyone. > Ray Wayne > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Singh, > Nandini via BlindLaw > Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2022 6:36 PM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Singh, Nandini > Subject: [blindLaw] Contact Information Requested > > Hi All, > > If anyone has a current email address or phone for Mildred Rivera Rao, > who I believe is at EEOC, I would be grateful if you could reach me off list. > > Regards, > Nikki > > Nandini Singh > > Covington & Burling LLP > One CityCenter, 850 Tenth Street, NW > Washington, DC 20001-4956 > T +1 202 662 5113 | nsingh at cov.com > www.cov.com > > [cid:image001.jpg at 01D8FEA1.4B7ECAA0] > This message is from a law firm and may contain information that is > confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the intended > recipient, please immediately advise the sender by reply e-mail that > this message has been inadvertently transmitted to you and delete this > e-mail from your system. Thank you for your cooperation. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rothmanjd%40gmai > l.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/nsingh%40cov.com From ThomasDukeman at outlook.com Sun Nov 27 12:29:47 2022 From: ThomasDukeman at outlook.com (Thomas Dukeman) Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2022 12:29:47 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] Introducing Evidence in Court Message-ID: Hello fellow legal beagles! My college is starting to gear up for putting on our annual mock trial again and I did not have my vision loss I do now back then but having that as something to account for, brings up an interesting question: How do you introduce evidence in court? Like, do you try handing it over to the bailiff to give to the judge and/or juru? Do you have an assistant of some kind come with you to trial to hand it over for you? Let me know how you have attempted to solve this! Tom Sent from Mail for Windows From sanho817 at gmail.com Sun Nov 27 12:45:52 2022 From: sanho817 at gmail.com (Sanho Steele-Louchart) Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2022 06:45:52 -0600 Subject: [blindLaw] Introducing Evidence in Court In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thomas, I don't understand. Why wouldn't you offer it into evidence, approach whoever needs it, and then go back to where you wanted to be before? Warmth, Sanho On 11/27/22, Thomas Dukeman via BlindLaw wrote: > Hello fellow legal beagles! > > My college is starting to gear up for putting on our annual mock trial again > and I did not have my vision loss I do now back then but having that as > something to account for, brings up an interesting question: How do you > introduce evidence in court? Like, do you try handing it over to the bailiff > to give to the judge and/or juru? Do you have an assistant of some kind come > with you to trial to hand it over for you? > > Let me know how you have attempted to solve this! > Tom > > Sent from Mail for Windows > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sanho817%40gmail.com > -- He/Him From sbg at sbgaal.com Sun Nov 27 15:30:06 2022 From: sbg at sbgaal.com (sbg sbgaal.com) Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2022 15:30:06 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] Introducing Evidence in Court In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <06D196CE-5FEB-47D9-95D7-B91E13C18CCF@sbgaal.com> I have my assistant, take it to the witness, and I questioned the witness about it Shannon Brady Geihsler Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler,PLLC 1212 Texas Avenue Lubbock, Texas 79401 Phone: (806) 763-3999 Mobile: (806) 781-9296 Fax: (806) 749-3752 E-Mail: sbg at sbgaal.com NOTICE the information contained in this communication is protected by the attorney/client and/or the work/product privileges. It along with any attachments here to, is also covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. sections 2510-2512. It is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named in the communication, and the privileges are not waived by virtue of this having been sent by electronic mail. If the person actually receiving this communication or any other reader of the communication is not the named recipient, any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of the communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify us by telephone (please call collect) and delete the original from your system. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 27, 2022, at 6:31 AM, Thomas Dukeman via BlindLaw wrote: Hello fellow legal beagles! My college is starting to gear up for putting on our annual mock trial again and I did not have my vision loss I do now back then but having that as something to account for, brings up an interesting question: How do you introduce evidence in court? Like, do you try handing it over to the bailiff to give to the judge and/or juru? Do you have an assistant of some kind come with you to trial to hand it over for you? Let me know how you have attempted to solve this! Tom Sent from Mail for Windows _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sbg%40sbgaal.com From kaybaycar at gmail.com Sun Nov 27 22:24:12 2022 From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity) Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2022 17:24:12 -0500 Subject: [blindLaw] Introducing Evidence in Court In-Reply-To: <06D196CE-5FEB-47D9-95D7-B91E13C18CCF@sbgaal.com> References: <06D196CE-5FEB-47D9-95D7-B91E13C18CCF@sbgaal.com> Message-ID: I just took a trial advocacy class. Here's what I did. I read the evidence myself and made sure I knew exactly what it said. If it was something I needed to read from myself, then I had the text ready to go on my Braille Note. If it was a picture, I had a detailed description in my trial notes. In my class, I had my teammates prepare the evidence, and they would hand over what I needed to give to the witness. But if you're on your own with this, you can prepare the evidence yourself if you know Braille. You can separate what you need into folders and Braille label each folder. If you don't know Braille, I would imagine you could get an accommodation so that someone on your team could make sure you are handing the witness the right document. I also made sure I knew the room well ahead of time so I could travel to the witness stand and hand over the evidence. We used a very small room, so I ended up leaving my cane at counsel table, but in most settings, I would have brought my cane along. I would say in general, it's probably good practice to scope out the room ahead of time so you know where the jury, judge, etc will be seated. I think that was recommended for everyone in our trial advocacy class. Full disclosure though, I'm still a student and haven't actually practiced for real yet, but this is what's worked for me in my class. Hope you enjoy your mock trial competition, Julie On 11/27/22, sbg sbgaal.com via BlindLaw wrote: > I have my assistant, take it to the witness, and I questioned the witness > about it > > Shannon Brady Geihsler > Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler,PLLC > 1212 Texas Avenue > Lubbock, Texas 79401 > Phone: (806) 763-3999 > Mobile: (806) 781-9296 > Fax: (806) 749-3752 > E-Mail: sbg at sbgaal.com > NOTICE the information contained in this communication is protected by the > attorney/client and/or the work/product privileges. It along with any > attachments here to, is also covered by the Electronic Communications > Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. sections 2510-2512. It is intended only for the > personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named in the > communication, and the privileges are not waived by virtue of this having > been sent by electronic mail. If the person actually receiving this > communication or any other reader of the communication is not the named > recipient, any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of the > communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this > communication in error, please immediately notify us by telephone (please > call collect) and delete the original from your system. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 27, 2022, at 6:31 AM, Thomas Dukeman via BlindLaw > wrote: > > Hello fellow legal beagles! > > My college is starting to gear up for putting on our annual mock trial again > and I did not have my vision loss I do now back then but having that as > something to account for, brings up an interesting question: How do you > introduce evidence in court? Like, do you try handing it over to the bailiff > to give to the judge and/or juru? Do you have an assistant of some kind come > with you to trial to hand it over for you? > > Let me know how you have attempted to solve this! > Tom > > Sent from Mail for Windows > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sbg%40sbgaal.com > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com > -- Julie A. McGinnity MM Vocal Performance, 2015; American University Washington College of Law, JD Candidate 2023 From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Mon Nov 28 15:13:24 2022 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2022 15:13:24 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] Scholarship Winner! In-Reply-To: <21545314.431.0@wordpress.com> References: <21545314.431.0@wordpress.com> Message-ID: Info about a blind law student who received scholarship. From: Washington Attorneys with Disabilities Association Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2022 9:17 PM To: Nightingale, Noel Subject: [New post] Scholarship Winner! [Image removed by sender. Site logo image] jko posted: " Katelyn Kelel is a blind student pursuing a Juris Doctorate (JD) degree, along with a master’s degree in Business Administration (MBA) from Seattle University. She was appointed by the Student Bar Association to be Seattle University’s first student Disa" Washington Attorneys with Disabilities Association Scholarship Winner! [Image removed by sender.] jko Nov 27 Katelyn Kelel is a blind student pursuing a Juris Doctorate (JD) degree, along with a master’s degree in Business Administration (MBA) from Seattle University. She was appointed by the Student Bar Association to be Seattle University’s first student Disability Representative, and she co-founded the Disability Inclusion Alliance student organization which launched in June 2022. In addition, she currently serves as president of the board of directors for Seedlings Braille Books for Children, a not for profit organization that produces high quality, low-cost books for children with vision loss across the country and around the world. Prior to law school, she worked as an Access Consultant. In this role, she successfully worked to support equity and inclusion efforts across various organizations and industries including the Smithsonian Institution. Her long-term goals are to establish and partner with not-for-profit organizations across the world to address specific social justice reforms needed on a local level. We congratulate Katelyn on her achievements thus far, and hope she continues the fine work and advocacy going forward. [Image removed by sender. photo of Katelyn Kelel] Comment [Image removed by sender. Tip icon image] You can also reply to this email to leave a comment. ________________________________ Unsubscribe to no longer receive posts from Washington Attorneys with Disabilities Association . Change your email settings at manage subscriptions. Trouble clicking? Copy and paste this URL into your browser: http://wadaweb.org/2022/11/27/scholarship-winner/ [Image removed by sender.] Powered by WordPress.com [Image removed by sender. Download on the App Store][Image removed by sender. Get it on Google Play] [Image removed by sender.] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Site logo image] jko posted: " Katelyn Kelel is a blind student pursuing a Juris Doctorate (JD) degree, along with a master’s degree in Business Administration (MBA) from Seattle University. She was appointed by the Student Bar Association to be Seattle University’s first student Disa" Washington Attorneys with Disabilities Association Scholarship Winner! [Image removed by sender.] jko Nov 27 Katelyn Kelel is a blind student pursuing a Juris Doctorate (JD) degree, along with a master’s degree in Business Administration (MBA) from Seattle University. She was appointed by the Student Bar Association to be Seattle University’s first student Disability Representative, and she co-founded the Disability Inclusion Alliance student organization which launched in June 2022. In addition, she currently serves as president of the board of directors for Seedlings Braille Books for Children, a not for profit organization that produces high quality, low-cost books for children with vision loss across the country and around the world. Prior to law school, she worked as an Access Consultant. In this role, she successfully worked to support equity and inclusion efforts across various organizations and industries including the Smithsonian Institution. Her long-term goals are to establish and partner with not-for-profit organizations across the world to address specific social justice reforms needed on a local level. We congratulate Katelyn on her achievements thus far, and hope she continues the fine work and advocacy going forward. [Image removed by sender. photo of Katelyn Kelel] Comment [Image removed by sender. 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Get it on Google Play] [Image removed by sender.] From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Mon Nov 28 18:56:42 2022 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2022 18:56:42 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] Berkeley (Finally) Agrees to Make Online Content Accessible - Inside Higher Ed - November 23, 2022 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2022/11/23/uc-berkeley-agrees-make-online-content-accessible?utm_source=Inside+Higher+Ed&utm_campaign=e318c53a1e-DNU_2021_COPY_02&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_1fcbc04421-e318c53a1e-236376982&mc_cid=e318c53a1e&mc_eid=87362c6747 Berkeley (Finally) Agrees to Make Online Content Accessible By Susan D'Agostino Inside Higher Ed November 23, 2022 Disability rights advocates welcome news of Berkeley's consent decree with the Justice Department, which many consider long overdue. By 2016, the University of California, Berkeley, had adopted a habit of posting many videos of its conferences, lectures, sporting events, graduation ceremonies and other events on its website, YouTube, Apple Podcast channels and other platforms, along with its courses on the UC BerkeleyX platform. But in August of that year, the U.S. Justice Department alleged that significant portions of that online content were inaccessible to individuals with hearing, vision or manual disabilities. Since that violated Title II of the Americans With Disabilities Act, the government asked the university to implement procedures to make its online content accessible. Rather than complying with the accessibility order, Berkeley began removing more than 20,000 video and audio lectures from public view. This week, the Justice Department announced that it had reached a proposed consent decree with the university to resolve the 2016 allegations. If a judge approves the agreement, Berkeley will "make all future and the vast majority of its existing online content accessible to people with disabilities." Though the Americans With Disabilities Act was signed into law in 1990, the Justice Department has been working out in real time how the law applies at the intersection of higher education and technology. High-profile cases such as this one with Berkeley can often help raise awareness about the challenges people with disabilities face in an increasingly digital world. Though disability rights advocates widely welcome news of the consent decree, many consider it long overdue. The news comes on the heels of a pandemic boost in digital course materials access, which some fear could be lost as people return to pre-pandemic behaviors. "Why did UC Berkeley spend all this time and energy to fight accessibility requirements, when the consent decree essentially mirrors what they probably would have gotten in structured negotiations with [the Civil Rights Education and Enforcement Center] back in 2014?" Christian Vogler, director of the Technology Access Program at Gallaudet University, wrote in an email. "By fighting this, they needlessly dragged out providing accessibility and in the process of doing so also did great harm to disability communities." Stephanie Kerschbaum, associate professor and director of the writing and rhetoric program at the University of Washington, author of Negotiating Disability: Disclosure and Higher Education (University of Michigan Press, 2017) and a self-identified deaf academic, agrees. "It took a lawsuit for them to do what they should have been doing all along," Kerschbaum wrote. "My hope is that the resources they put toward this meaningfully shift expectations and practices across higher education and not just at Berkeley." Officials at UC Berkeley did not respond to a request for comment. To date, much of Berkeley's online content has lacked captions and transcripts, which makes it inaccessible to those who are deaf, and such content has been posted without alternative text describing visual images for those who are blind, according to the Justice Department's announcement. In many cases, the formatting has also not allowed people with disabilities to use screen readers or other assistive technology to access the content. "Technology is changing how everyone learns," Stacy Nowak, instructor in the communication studies program at Gallaudet, wrote, adding that accessibility should not be reserved for individuals without disabilities. "People with disabilities must be included and have full access every step of the way." Since the original 2016 allegations, COVID-19 was declared a pandemic, which has brought digital accessibility in higher education into sharp relief. During the early-pandemic move to emergency remote teaching, many students with disabilities and their advocates found that digital access to equitable education was abandoned. Then, as time passed, higher education experienced a digital course materials pandemic boost. "Awareness of accessibility is better today than it was in 2017, and captions have become even more popular, especially among Gen-Z," Vogler wrote. "But now that people are returning to face-to-face work, we also have started to see backsliding." This week's consent decree affirms universities' legal obligations to offer captions "irrespective of backsliding, and irrespective of whether an accessibility feature is popular," Vogler wrote. "The decree also covers blind access needs, which are much less visible to the mainstream than captions, but no less important." The agreement will also require the university to "revise its policies, train relevant personnel, designate a web accessibility coordinator, conduct accessibility testing of its online content and hire an independent auditor to evaluate the accessibility of its content," according to the announcement. "Most institutions have not yet made the commitment to systemic change that true accessibility requires," Chris Danielson, public relations director at the National Federation of the Blind, wrote in an email, noting that his organization is still reviewing the agreement but is always glad to see progress. The Justice Department is characterizing the development as a higher ed digital access win for people with disabilities. "Through this consent decree, the Department of Justice demonstrates its commitment to ensuring compliance with the [Americans With Disabilities Act] by providing individuals with disabilities a full and equal opportunity to participate in and enjoy the benefits of UC Berkeley's services, programs, and activities in equal measure with people without disabilities," Stephanie M. Hinds, U.S. attorney for the Northern District of California, said in a statement. Some advocates offer reminders that change may be driven by good intentions, in addition to the law. "Instead of viewing accessibility as an onerous check-the-boxes compliance exercise, look at it as something that both affirms a civil right and as maximizing your audience," Vogler said. "The time and money spent fighting a losing battle about access would be far better invested into setting up a one-stop place that helps university content creators make all course offerings accessible." As professionals in disability services offices at Berkeley and beyond work to build capacity and resources for inclusive learning that takes place at and emanates from colleges, some offer wisdom gleaned from experience. "There's no quick fix, and there's no single tool or resource or practice that will make everything magically accessible to everyone," Kerschbaum wrote. From NSingh at cov.com Tue Nov 29 01:46:35 2022 From: NSingh at cov.com (Singh, Nandini) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2022 01:46:35 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] Introducing Evidence in Court In-Reply-To: References: <06D196CE-5FEB-47D9-95D7-B91E13C18CCF@sbgaal.com> Message-ID: All of these are good suggestions. It is important to be prepared and really know your evidence so you can maintain control in the examination. Having an assistant, paralegal, or co-counsel physically hand the witness the document or other evidence is fine, but you still want to be in charge in crafting the line of questioning. That includes, as Julie describes, having the text of the document available to you in some accessible form. It is better that you read the key text into the record than the witness. I will add that in addition to reading the text aloud, you also often enter the document as an exhibit and indicate to the judge that you would want to publish it to the jury. For exhibit entry and publication, the physical handoff is not as important as the ground work you do in authenticating the evidence. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Julie McGinnity via BlindLaw Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2022 5:24 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Julie McGinnity Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Introducing Evidence in Court [EXTERNAL] I just took a trial advocacy class. Here's what I did. I read the evidence myself and made sure I knew exactly what it said. If it was something I needed to read from myself, then I had the text ready to go on my Braille Note. If it was a picture, I had a detailed description in my trial notes. In my class, I had my teammates prepare the evidence, and they would hand over what I needed to give to the witness. But if you're on your own with this, you can prepare the evidence yourself if you know Braille. You can separate what you need into folders and Braille label each folder. If you don't know Braille, I would imagine you could get an accommodation so that someone on your team could make sure you are handing the witness the right document. I also made sure I knew the room well ahead of time so I could travel to the witness stand and hand over the evidence. We used a very small room, so I ended up leaving my cane at counsel table, but in most settings, I would have brought my cane along. I would say in general, it's probably good practice to scope out the room ahead of time so you know where the jury, judge, etc will be seated. I think that was recommended for everyone in our trial advocacy class. Full disclosure though, I'm still a student and haven't actually practiced for real yet, but this is what's worked for me in my class. Hope you enjoy your mock trial competition, Julie On 11/27/22, sbg sbgaal.com via BlindLaw wrote: > I have my assistant, take it to the witness, and I questioned the witness > about it > > Shannon Brady Geihsler > Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler,PLLC > 1212 Texas Avenue > Lubbock, Texas 79401 > Phone: (806) 763-3999 > Mobile: (806) 781-9296 > Fax: (806) 749-3752 > E-Mail: sbg at sbgaal.com > NOTICE the information contained in this communication is protected by the > attorney/client and/or the work/product privileges. It along with any > attachments here to, is also covered by the Electronic Communications > Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. sections 2510-2512. It is intended only for the > personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named in the > communication, and the privileges are not waived by virtue of this having > been sent by electronic mail. If the person actually receiving this > communication or any other reader of the communication is not the named > recipient, any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of the > communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this > communication in error, please immediately notify us by telephone (please > call collect) and delete the original from your system. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 27, 2022, at 6:31 AM, Thomas Dukeman via BlindLaw > wrote: > > Hello fellow legal beagles! > > My college is starting to gear up for putting on our annual mock trial again > and I did not have my vision loss I do now back then but having that as > something to account for, brings up an interesting question: How do you > introduce evidence in court? Like, do you try handing it over to the bailiff > to give to the judge and/or juru? Do you have an assistant of some kind come > with you to trial to hand it over for you? > > Let me know how you have attempted to solve this! > Tom > > Sent from Mail for Windows > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sbg%40sbgaal.com > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com > -- Julie A. McGinnity MM Vocal Performance, 2015; American University Washington College of Law, JD Candidate 2023 _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/nsingh%40cov.com From sbg at sbgaal.com Tue Nov 29 02:38:21 2022 From: sbg at sbgaal.com (sbg sbgaal.com) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2022 02:38:21 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] Introducing Evidence in Court In-Reply-To: References: <06D196CE-5FEB-47D9-95D7-B91E13C18CCF@sbgaal.com> Message-ID: Absolutely agree! Sincerely, Shannon Brady Geihsler Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC 1212 Texas Avenue Lubbock, Texas 79401 Office:  (806) 763-3999 Mobile:  (806) 781-9296 Fax:  (806) 749-3752 E-Mail:  sbg at sbgaal.com This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged and/or attorney work product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, reliance or distribution by others or forwarding without express permission is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete all copies. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw Sent: Monday, November 28, 2022 7:47 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Singh, Nandini Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Introducing Evidence in Court All of these are good suggestions. It is important to be prepared and really know your evidence so you can maintain control in the examination. Having an assistant, paralegal, or co-counsel physically hand the witness the document or other evidence is fine, but you still want to be in charge in crafting the line of questioning. That includes, as Julie describes, having the text of the document available to you in some accessible form. It is better that you read the key text into the record than the witness. I will add that in addition to reading the text aloud, you also often enter the document as an exhibit and indicate to the judge that you would want to publish it to the jury. For exhibit entry and publication, the physical handoff is not as important as the ground work you do in authenticating the evidence. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Julie McGinnity via BlindLaw Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2022 5:24 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Julie McGinnity Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Introducing Evidence in Court [EXTERNAL] I just took a trial advocacy class. Here's what I did. I read the evidence myself and made sure I knew exactly what it said. If it was something I needed to read from myself, then I had the text ready to go on my Braille Note. If it was a picture, I had a detailed description in my trial notes. In my class, I had my teammates prepare the evidence, and they would hand over what I needed to give to the witness. But if you're on your own with this, you can prepare the evidence yourself if you know Braille. You can separate what you need into folders and Braille label each folder. If you don't know Braille, I would imagine you could get an accommodation so that someone on your team could make sure you are handing the witness the right document. I also made sure I knew the room well ahead of time so I could travel to the witness stand and hand over the evidence. We used a very small room, so I ended up leaving my cane at counsel table, but in most settings, I would have brought my cane along. I would say in general, it's probably good practice to scope out the room ahead of time so you know where the jury, judge, etc will be seated. I think that was recommended for everyone in our trial advocacy class. Full disclosure though, I'm still a student and haven't actually practiced for real yet, but this is what's worked for me in my class. Hope you enjoy your mock trial competition, Julie On 11/27/22, sbg sbgaal.com via BlindLaw wrote: > I have my assistant, take it to the witness, and I questioned the > witness about it > > Shannon Brady Geihsler > Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler,PLLC > 1212 Texas Avenue > Lubbock, Texas 79401 > Phone: (806) 763-3999 > Mobile: (806) 781-9296 > Fax: (806) 749-3752 > E-Mail: sbg at sbgaal.com > NOTICE the information contained in this communication is protected by > the attorney/client and/or the work/product privileges. It along with > any attachments here to, is also covered by the Electronic > Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. sections 2510-2512. It is > intended only for the personal and confidential use of the > recipient(s) named in the communication, and the privileges are not > waived by virtue of this having been sent by electronic mail. If the > person actually receiving this communication or any other reader of > the communication is not the named recipient, any use, dissemination, > distribution or copying of the communication is strictly prohibited. > If you have received this communication in error, please immediately > notify us by telephone (please call collect) and delete the original from your system. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 27, 2022, at 6:31 AM, Thomas Dukeman via BlindLaw > wrote: > > Hello fellow legal beagles! > > My college is starting to gear up for putting on our annual mock trial > again and I did not have my vision loss I do now back then but having > that as something to account for, brings up an interesting question: > How do you introduce evidence in court? Like, do you try handing it > over to the bailiff to give to the judge and/or juru? Do you have an > assistant of some kind come with you to trial to hand it over for you? > > Let me know how you have attempted to solve this! > Tom > > Sent from Mail for > Windows > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sbg%40sbgaal.com > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmai > l.com > -- Julie A. McGinnity MM Vocal Performance, 2015; American University Washington College of Law, JD Candidate 2023 _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/nsingh%40cov.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sbg%40sbgaal.com From sbg at sbgaal.com Tue Nov 29 02:41:56 2022 From: sbg at sbgaal.com (sbg sbgaal.com) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2022 02:41:56 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] Introducing Evidence in Court In-Reply-To: References: <06D196CE-5FEB-47D9-95D7-B91E13C18CCF@sbgaal.com> Message-ID: Also, make sure you have the evidentiary rule under which it is admissible and be prepared for objections. Sincerely, Shannon Brady Geihsler Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC 1212 Texas Avenue Lubbock, Texas 79401 Office:  (806) 763-3999 Mobile:  (806) 781-9296 Fax:  (806) 749-3752 E-Mail:  sbg at sbgaal.com This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged and/or attorney work product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, reliance or distribution by others or forwarding without express permission is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete all copies. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of sbg sbgaal.com via BlindLaw Sent: Monday, November 28, 2022 8:38 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: sbg sbgaal.com Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Introducing Evidence in Court Absolutely agree! Sincerely, Shannon Brady Geihsler Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC 1212 Texas Avenue Lubbock, Texas 79401 Office:  (806) 763-3999 Mobile:  (806) 781-9296 Fax:  (806) 749-3752 E-Mail:  sbg at sbgaal.com This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged and/or attorney work product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, reliance or distribution by others or forwarding without express permission is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete all copies. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw Sent: Monday, November 28, 2022 7:47 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Singh, Nandini Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Introducing Evidence in Court All of these are good suggestions. It is important to be prepared and really know your evidence so you can maintain control in the examination. Having an assistant, paralegal, or co-counsel physically hand the witness the document or other evidence is fine, but you still want to be in charge in crafting the line of questioning. That includes, as Julie describes, having the text of the document available to you in some accessible form. It is better that you read the key text into the record than the witness. I will add that in addition to reading the text aloud, you also often enter the document as an exhibit and indicate to the judge that you would want to publish it to the jury. For exhibit entry and publication, the physical handoff is not as important as the ground work you do in authenticating the evidence. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Julie McGinnity via BlindLaw Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2022 5:24 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Julie McGinnity Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Introducing Evidence in Court [EXTERNAL] I just took a trial advocacy class. Here's what I did. I read the evidence myself and made sure I knew exactly what it said. If it was something I needed to read from myself, then I had the text ready to go on my Braille Note. If it was a picture, I had a detailed description in my trial notes. In my class, I had my teammates prepare the evidence, and they would hand over what I needed to give to the witness. But if you're on your own with this, you can prepare the evidence yourself if you know Braille. You can separate what you need into folders and Braille label each folder. If you don't know Braille, I would imagine you could get an accommodation so that someone on your team could make sure you are handing the witness the right document. I also made sure I knew the room well ahead of time so I could travel to the witness stand and hand over the evidence. We used a very small room, so I ended up leaving my cane at counsel table, but in most settings, I would have brought my cane along. I would say in general, it's probably good practice to scope out the room ahead of time so you know where the jury, judge, etc will be seated. I think that was recommended for everyone in our trial advocacy class. Full disclosure though, I'm still a student and haven't actually practiced for real yet, but this is what's worked for me in my class. Hope you enjoy your mock trial competition, Julie On 11/27/22, sbg sbgaal.com via BlindLaw wrote: > I have my assistant, take it to the witness, and I questioned the > witness about it > > Shannon Brady Geihsler > Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler,PLLC > 1212 Texas Avenue > Lubbock, Texas 79401 > Phone: (806) 763-3999 > Mobile: (806) 781-9296 > Fax: (806) 749-3752 > E-Mail: sbg at sbgaal.com > NOTICE the information contained in this communication is protected by > the attorney/client and/or the work/product privileges. It along with > any attachments here to, is also covered by the Electronic > Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. sections 2510-2512. It is > intended only for the personal and confidential use of the > recipient(s) named in the communication, and the privileges are not > waived by virtue of this having been sent by electronic mail. If the > person actually receiving this communication or any other reader of > the communication is not the named recipient, any use, dissemination, > distribution or copying of the communication is strictly prohibited. > If you have received this communication in error, please immediately > notify us by telephone (please call collect) and delete the original from your system. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 27, 2022, at 6:31 AM, Thomas Dukeman via BlindLaw > wrote: > > Hello fellow legal beagles! > > My college is starting to gear up for putting on our annual mock trial > again and I did not have my vision loss I do now back then but having > that as something to account for, brings up an interesting question: > How do you introduce evidence in court? Like, do you try handing it > over to the bailiff to give to the judge and/or juru? Do you have an > assistant of some kind come with you to trial to hand it over for you? > > Let me know how you have attempted to solve this! > Tom > > Sent from Mail for > Windows > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sbg%40sbgaal.com > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmai > l.com > -- Julie A. 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I'd love to hire a lawyer with a disability for this position, and applicants can use the Schedule A Hiring Authority. Please apply quickly though, as the vacancy announcement closes either on December 3, 2022 or once we receive 150 applications, whichever is sooner. The locality says Woodlawn, Maryland, but this is a remote inside position, which means the individual can live anywhere in the USA but would be responsible for getting themselves to Baltimore for in-person meetings periodically. Please also note the salary listed is the base salary for any Federal job and does not include locality pay, which could raise the minimum salary a lot. https://www.usajobs.gov/job/691417500 Equal Employment Opportunity Specialist DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services Office of Equal Opportunity and Civil Rights (OEOCR) Summary This position is located in the Department of Health & Human Services (HHS), Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), Office of Equal Opportunity and Civil Rights, Equal Employment Opportunity Compliance Group (EEOCG), in Woodlawn, MD. As a Equal Employment Opportunity Specialist, GS-0260-13, you will serve as an Equal Employment Opportunity (EEO) Specialist assigned to one or various functions of the EEO process. Learn more about this agency Help This job is open to Career transition (CTAP, ICTAP, RPL) Federal employees who meet the definition of a "surplus" or "displaced" employee. 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Failure to provide the required documentation WILL result in an ineligible rating OR non-consideration. PLEASE NOTE: A complete application package includes the online application, resume, transcripts and CMS required documents. Please carefully review the full job announcement to include the "Required Documents" and "How to Apply" sections. Failure to submit the online application, resume, transcripts and CMS required documents, will result in you not being considered for employment. Additional Forms REQUIRED Prior to Appointment: * Optional Form 306, Declaration of Federal Employment and the Background/Suitability Investigation - A background and suitability investigation will be required for all selectees. Appointment will be subject to the successful completion of the investigation and favorable adjudication. Failure to successfully meet these requirements may be grounds for appropriate personnel action. In addition, if hired, a reinvestigation or supplemental investigation may be required at a later time. If selected, the Optional Form 306 will be required prior to final job offer. Click here to obtain a copy of the Optional Form 306. * Form I-9, Employment Verification and the Electronic Eligibility Verification Program - CMS participates in the Electronic Employment Eligibility Verification Program (E-Verify). E-Verify helps employers determine employment eligibility of new hires and the validity of their Social Security numbers. If selected, the Form I-9 will be required at the time of in-processing. Click here for more information about E-Verify and to obtain a copy of the Form I-9. * Standard Form 61, Appointment Affidavits - If selected, the Standard Form 61 will be required at the time of in-processing. Click here to obtain a copy of the Standard Form 61. If you are unable to apply online or need to fax a document you do not have in electronic form, view the following link for information regarding an Alternate Application. Help How to Apply Your complete application package, as described in the "Required Documents" section, must be received by 11:59 PM ET on 12/03/2022 to receive consideration. IN DESCRIBING YOUR WORK EXPERIENCE AND/OR EDUCATION, PLEASE BE CLEAR AND SPECIFIC REGARDING YOUR EXPERIENCE OR EDUCATION. We strongly encourage applicants to utilize the USAJOBS resume builder in the creation of resumes. Please ensure EACH work history includes ALL of the following information: * Official Position Title (include series and grade if Federal job) * Duties (be specific in describing your duties) * Employer's name and address * Supervisor name and phone number * Start and end dates including month and year (e.g. June 2007 to April 2008) * Full-time or part-time status (include hours worked per week) * Salary Determining length of general or specialized experience is dependent on the above information and failure to provide ALL of this information WILL result in a finding of ineligible. * To begin, click Apply to access the online application. You will need to be logged into your USAJOBS account to apply. If you do not have a USAJOBS account, you will need to create one before beginning the application. * Follow the prompts to select your resume and/or other supporting documents to be included with your application package. You will have the opportunity to upload additional documents to include in your application before it is submitted. Your uploaded documents may take several hours to clear the virus scan process. * After acknowledging you have reviewed your application package, complete the Include Personal Information section as you deem appropriate and click to continue with the application process. * You will be taken to the online application which you must complete in order to apply for the position. Complete the online application, verify the required documentation is included with your application package, and submit the application. To verify the status of your application, log into your USAJOBS account ( https://my.usajobs.gov/Account/Login), all of your applications will appear on the Welcome screen. The Application Status will appear along with the date your application was last updated. For information on what each Application Status means, visit: https://www.usajobs.gov/Help/how-to/application/status/. This agency provides reasonable accommodation to applicants with disabilities. If you need a reasonable accommodation for any part of the application or hiring process, please send an email to TABG_DCOATeam1 at cms.hhs.gov . The decision to grant reasonable accommodation will be made on a case-by-case basis. Commissioned Corps Officers Commissioned Corps Officers (including Commissioned Corps applicants that are professionally boarded) who are interested in applying for this position must send their professional resume (not PHS Curriculum Vitae) and cover letter to CMSCorpsJobs at cms.hhs.gov in lieu of applying through this announcement. The cover letter should specifically explain how you are qualified for this position and draw specific attention to your resume that demonstrates these qualifications. Also send any transcripts, licenses or certifications as requested in this announcement. In the subject line of your e-mail please include only the Job Announcement Number. In the body of your e-mail please include your current rank name and serial number. Failure to provide this information may impact your consideration for this position. Read more Agency contact information CMS TABG DCO A1 Email TABG_DCOATeam1 at cms.hhs.gov Address Office of Equal Opportunity and Civil Rights 7500 Security Blvd Woodlawn, MD 21244 US Learn more about this agency Next steps Once your online application is submitted, you will receive a confirmation notification by email. Your application will be evaluated to determine your eligibility and qualifications for the position. After the evaluation is complete, you will receive another email notification regarding the status of your application. Within 30 business days of the closing date,12/03/2022, you may check your status online by logging into your USAJOBS account ( https://my.usajobs.gov/Account/Login). We will update your status after each key stage in the application process has been completed. Read more Ronza Othman, President National Federation of the Blind of Maryland 443-426-4110 Pronouns: she, her, hers The National Federation of the Blind of Maryland knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Tue Nov 29 21:00:52 2022 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2022 21:00:52 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] Justice Department Launches New Americans with Disabilities Act Website - U.S. Department of Justice - November 23, 2022 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: https://www.justice.gov/opa/blog/justice-department-launches-new-americans-disabilities-act-website Justice Department Launches New Americans with Disabilities Act Website Press Release U.S. Department of Justice November 23, 2022 Today, the Department is excited to announce that we are launching a new and improved version of ADA.gov. Our goal for this revamped website is to better assist people to comply with the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) as well as understand their rights and others' rights, by creating and maintaining a website that is modern and user-centered. "With the new and improved version of ADA.gov that we are launching today, the Civil Rights Division is taking an important step forward by providing information about the ADA in a format that is more tailored to the needs of the people seeking this information," said Assistant Attorney General Kristen Clarke of the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division. "As we continue our work to increase compliance with the ADA, the department is committed to helping people with disabilities understand their rights, and to helping those who have obligations under the ADA understand their responsibilities." The ADA is a civil rights law that protects people with disabilities from discrimination. The ADA guarantees people with disabilities the same opportunities as everyone else to do things like go to work, visit public libraries, and enjoy stores and restaurants in their communities. Almost all employers, state and local governments, businesses, and nonprofit organizations have to follow the ADA. The ADA requires the Department of Justice to help people understand their rights and responsibilities under the law. One way that the Department has done this is through its website, ADA.gov. The updated version of ADA.gov is designed to more effectively serve the public and help expand access for people with disabilities. We want people who visit our website to be able to find the answers and information that they are seeking easily, even if they are not very familiar with the ADA or legal jargon. The version of ADA.gov that you will see starting today works well with mobile devices, includes easy-to-use navigation tools, and is written in plain language. One way that we have made ADA.gov more user-friendly is by including overviews of featured topics. These overviews are high-level, plain-language explanations of the existing information that the Department has made available about the law. They are intended for an audience of people who are not legal experts. We expect that these overviews will answer 80 percent of common questions about a particular topic. They are designed to be easy to scan and navigate. They have clear headings and links that help users skip to a particular section. The overviews are also designed to be easy to understand. They use icons to help explain definitions and they provide clear examples. We want to make sure we are meeting the needs of the people that use ADA.gov. Our design process has been guided by user testing and feedback from start to finish. Hearing from users has helped us make the site's content easier to read and understand. User feedback has also helped us make sure that ADA.gov's visitors are able to find what they need more quickly and easily. Users have told us that they appreciate the new look, feel, and usability of ADA.gov. We could not have achieved this result without input from the site's users. They were a very important part of our development process. While ADA.gov is launching today, our work won't stop here. We plan to constantly improve the website. We will be adding new content on a regular basis. We will also be transferring additional content from the original website over time. You will still be able to access the old version of our website at its new address: archive.ada.gov. We hope that you will help us continue to make ADA.gov even better. Please let us know what you like about the new website and what we can improve. You can share your thoughts by filling out our user feedback form on ADA.gov. We will use your suggestions to keep making ADA.gov a website that gives our users the information they need in a way that is helpful to them. From joshl at loevy.com Wed Nov 30 19:52:28 2022 From: joshl at loevy.com (Josh Loevy) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2022 13:52:28 -0600 Subject: [blindLaw] Dragon legal or similar products Message-ID: Hey all, I hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving. I would love to find out whether people have used Dragon legal, or any equivalent, and find out what their experience has been. I’m looking into it, but it has been years since I used dragon. Best, Josh