From ces2266 at columbia.edu  Sun Oct  2 00:30:12 2022
From: ces2266 at columbia.edu (Caleb E. Smith)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2022 20:30:12 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] Reading the U.S. Code
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Hi all,
Perhaps this has been asked before, but what tips do people have for
reading long, long sections of U.S. code that have many sub, sub-sub,
sub-sub-sub sections, etc?  I just started with a tax department and some
sections of the code get quite ridiculous. And obviously th*e advice from s*ome
lawyers in my firm, that they like to pull out the physical book so they
can better skim it and see the indentations, is not helpful.

Between JAWS, various services like Bloomberg, or using Word or other
resources, I don't know if folks have found a good way to read the code or
to arrange it to make it quicker to find things and jump around within a
given section.

Caleb Smith

From sbadillo100 at gmail.com  Sun Oct  2 16:01:48 2022
From: sbadillo100 at gmail.com (Sarah Badillo)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2022 12:01:48 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] BlindLaw Digest, Vol 221, Issue 1
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Is there anyway that you can put the code into HTML format? Maybe if it’s in that particular format, there could be heading levels. Otherwise, I used it on legal databases such as Lexus or West law. That way I could search for what I needed, or just browse back and move to a different subsection. databases in these kind of legal websites should have search field so you could search for keywords or numbers. If all else fails, especially with Westlaw or Lexus, I just made a phone call and they helped me.

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> Hi all,
> Perhaps this has been asked before, but what tips do people have for
> reading long, long sections of U.S. code that have many sub, sub-sub,
> sub-sub-sub sections, etc?  I just started with a tax department and some
> sections of the code get quite ridiculous. And obviously th*e advice from s*ome
> lawyers in my firm, that they like to pull out the physical book so they
> can better skim it and see the indentations, is not helpful.
> 
> Between JAWS, various services like Bloomberg, or using Word or other
> resources, I don't know if folks have found a good way to read the code or
> to arrange it to make it quicker to find things and jump around within a
> given section.
> 
> Caleb Smith
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From NSingh at cov.com  Sun Oct  2 20:45:48 2022
From: NSingh at cov.com (Singh, Nandini)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2022 20:45:48 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Reading the U.S. Code
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Here are my general recommendations:

First, I like to understand the universe of laws for the sub topic. For example, I did some background research to orient me to the basic statutes relevant to a pro bono immigration matter I had involving expedited removal and visa revocation. The visa laws and regulations can get quite detailed. That basic research can be Google searches or else diving into a treatise. I imagine that there are some foundational tax treatises that provide you overviews of the major topics, including the most cited statutes and regulations. I like to download the treatise entry, so I can refer back to those statutory citations.

Second, I enter the full statute or regulatory cite into Westlaw. I am a big Westlaw fan, so most of my explanation pertains to it, but Lexis should give you similar results. At this point, you should keep the basic format of federal law in mind for a statutory section: lower case letters, numbers, capital letters, Romanettes, etc. Beyond Romanettes, it can vary a bit. Between the treatise entry and the U.S. section, I can usually locate the relevant part of the statutory subsection if I take my time. The treatise often gives me a phrase for which I can do a "find" command. I can also return to the treatise to double check myself.

Third, depending on how big the statutory section is, it is useful to download the section into Word format. Westlaw makes this part easy. Once I have the Word document of the statute, I locate the specific subsection, sub-subsection , or whatever and mark up the document. Earlier, I put a star or "at" sign near the relevant text. I now use the native comment or bookmark features in the Word program. The comments are great if I want to write myself a note about the section. Bookmarks are nice because you can mark up the document with as many bookmarks, but they remain invisible to sighted people. They are also a separate element of the document, so they do not interfere with standard JAWS navigation commands. That being said, JAWS offers you a shortcut (alt-insert-B I believe) to pull up the entire list of bookmarks in your document.

Fourth, rewrite and/or copy-and-paste the relevant parts of the statute, employing ellipses as needed. At some point you will do this especially if you have to produce a memo or a brief for someone. Unless you are quoting a definition, nobody is going to want to see the full subsection (very junior associate move), as they would have expected you to have completed that step already. You may as well become comfortable with the law and also save time when you eventually have to draft a document for someone else.

Fifth, practice. I think once you have spent a few years wading through long statutes or regs, it becomes easier. You feel more confident breezing over material that is clearly irrelevant. Usually, only a short phrase or a couple of sentences are at the center of the analysis you end up conducting.

Sorry for the long response, but I hope something here helps you.


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[EXTERNAL]

Hi all,
Perhaps this has been asked before, but what tips do people have for reading long, long sections of U.S. code that have many sub, sub-sub, sub-sub-sub sections, etc?  I just started with a tax department and some sections of the code get quite ridiculous. And obviously th*e advice from s*ome lawyers in my firm, that they like to pull out the physical book so they can better skim it and see the indentations, is not helpful.

Between JAWS, various services like Bloomberg, or using Word or other resources, I don't know if folks have found a good way to read the code or to arrange it to make it quicker to find things and jump around within a given section.

Caleb Smith
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From: glnorman15 at hotmail.com (GL Norman)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2022 00:41:25 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Sustaining Democracy Panel at PMAA Fed. Government 3
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From jlynnbarrow at gmail.com  Mon Oct  3 13:30:02 2022
From: jlynnbarrow at gmail.com (Jennifer Barrow)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2022 09:30:02 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] Reading the U.S. Code
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Hi. In addition to the excellent suggestions already provided, I like to do a control F for the left parenthesis if am looking at a part of the statute I’m not familiar with and I’m trying to make sense of all the levels involved. Continually hitting the F3 key to find each next parenthesis often jumps to the next sub level. Or, if I do a controlled find for a left parenthesis and the letter b, and I know the whole subsection isn’t what I want, I might then do a control find for the parenthesis and the letter c, confirming that the next instance I find will be lowercase, to find the next large sub section. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 2, 2022, at 4:47 PM, Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Here are my general recommendations:
> 
> First, I like to understand the universe of laws for the sub topic. For example, I did some background research to orient me to the basic statutes relevant to a pro bono immigration matter I had involving expedited removal and visa revocation. The visa laws and regulations can get quite detailed. That basic research can be Google searches or else diving into a treatise. I imagine that there are some foundational tax treatises that provide you overviews of the major topics, including the most cited statutes and regulations. I like to download the treatise entry, so I can refer back to those statutory citations.
> 
> Second, I enter the full statute or regulatory cite into Westlaw. I am a big Westlaw fan, so most of my explanation pertains to it, but Lexis should give you similar results. At this point, you should keep the basic format of federal law in mind for a statutory section: lower case letters, numbers, capital letters, Romanettes, etc. Beyond Romanettes, it can vary a bit. Between the treatise entry and the U.S. section, I can usually locate the relevant part of the statutory subsection if I take my time. The treatise often gives me a phrase for which I can do a "find" command. I can also return to the treatise to double check myself.
> 
> Third, depending on how big the statutory section is, it is useful to download the section into Word format. Westlaw makes this part easy. Once I have the Word document of the statute, I locate the specific subsection, sub-subsection , or whatever and mark up the document. Earlier, I put a star or "at" sign near the relevant text. I now use the native comment or bookmark features in the Word program. The comments are great if I want to write myself a note about the section. Bookmarks are nice because you can mark up the document with as many bookmarks, but they remain invisible to sighted people. They are also a separate element of the document, so they do not interfere with standard JAWS navigation commands. That being said, JAWS offers you a shortcut (alt-insert-B I believe) to pull up the entire list of bookmarks in your document.
> 
> Fourth, rewrite and/or copy-and-paste the relevant parts of the statute, employing ellipses as needed. At some point you will do this especially if you have to produce a memo or a brief for someone. Unless you are quoting a definition, nobody is going to want to see the full subsection (very junior associate move), as they would have expected you to have completed that step already. You may as well become comfortable with the law and also save time when you eventually have to draft a document for someone else.
> 
> Fifth, practice. I think once you have spent a few years wading through long statutes or regs, it becomes easier. You feel more confident breezing over material that is clearly irrelevant. Usually, only a short phrase or a couple of sentences are at the center of the analysis you end up conducting.
> 
> Sorry for the long response, but I hope something here helps you.
> 
> 
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> [EXTERNAL]
> 
> Hi all,
> Perhaps this has been asked before, but what tips do people have for reading long, long sections of U.S. code that have many sub, sub-sub, sub-sub-sub sections, etc?  I just started with a tax department and some sections of the code get quite ridiculous. And obviously th*e advice from s*ome lawyers in my firm, that they like to pull out the physical book so they can better skim it and see the indentations, is not helpful.
> 
> Between JAWS, various services like Bloomberg, or using Word or other resources, I don't know if folks have found a good way to read the code or to arrange it to make it quicker to find things and jump around within a given section.
> 
> Caleb Smith
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Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2022 13:53:41 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Tonight at 6:30 P.M. Registration Link Re-provided
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From sbadillo100 at gmail.com  Tue Oct  4 14:34:12 2022
From: sbadillo100 at gmail.com (Sarah Badillo)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2022 10:34:12 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] Working with PDF documents
Message-ID: <E88817E4-0753-412D-B7F6-A9F7E40761DB@gmail.com>

Hello, I was wondering whether anyone had any experience working with jaws for windows and PDF documents? In other words, how can I fill out forms that do not have an edit field in the PDF or change things around in these kinds of  documents. Thanks in advance for your help

Sent from my iPhone

From dandrews920 at comcast.net  Tue Oct  4 14:39:25 2022
From: dandrews920 at comcast.net (dandrews920 at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2022 09:39:25 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Working with PDF documents
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You can't. PDF's are what they are and can't be easily changed. If JAWS
doesn't see edit field, the creator of the form did something wrong -- or it
is intended that you print out on paper and fill it out that way.

Dave



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Subject: [blindLaw] Working with PDF documents

Hello, I was wondering whether anyone had any experience working with jaws
for windows and PDF documents? In other words, how can I fill out forms that
do not have an edit field in the PDF or change things around in these kinds
of  documents. Thanks in advance for your help

Sent from my iPhone
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From NSingh at cov.com  Tue Oct  4 16:46:02 2022
From: NSingh at cov.com (Singh, Nandini)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2022 16:46:02 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Working with PDF documents
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 <019801d8d7ff$1afde9b0$50f9bd10$@comcast.net>
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Second. I will add that you can use a more sophisticated PDF editor, like Power PDF, and force the issue. These pieces of software have inconsistent success with JAWS. However, they do enable you to edit PDFs. 

For your specific scenario, if the PDF does not come with form fields built-in, it is either a mistake in how the PDF was prepared or else the author probably intended you to print out the document and fill it out by hand. In 2022, the latter is astounding to encounter, but it does happen.

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[EXTERNAL]

You can't. PDF's are what they are and can't be easily changed. If JAWS
doesn't see edit field, the creator of the form did something wrong -- or it
is intended that you print out on paper and fill it out that way.

Dave



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Subject: [blindLaw] Working with PDF documents

Hello, I was wondering whether anyone had any experience working with jaws
for windows and PDF documents? In other words, how can I fill out forms that
do not have an edit field in the PDF or change things around in these kinds
of  documents. Thanks in advance for your help

Sent from my iPhone
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From pleaseletmesee2016 at gmail.com  Tue Oct  4 16:57:51 2022
From: pleaseletmesee2016 at gmail.com (pleaseletmesee2016 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2022 12:57:51 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] interesting and entertaining podcast...
Message-ID: <005001d8d812$711397b0$533ac710$@gmail.com>

Hello all! Randomly came across this highly interesting and entertaining
podcast today. And was hoping you guys would appreciate it as much as I did!
enjoy!

 

 

 

The Tortoise and the Hare

Revisionist History

 

A weird speech by Antonin Scalia, a visit with some serious legal tortoises,
and a testy exchange with the experts at the Law School Admissions Council
prompts Malcolm to formulate his Grand Unified Theory for fixing higher
education. Learn more at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee
omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

 


From tmatzick06 at gmail.com  Tue Oct  4 17:22:53 2022
From: tmatzick06 at gmail.com (Tara Chavez)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2022 11:22:53 -0600
Subject: [blindLaw] interesting and entertaining podcast...
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References: <005001d8d812$711397b0$533ac710$@gmail.com>
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Hi,
The link didn't work. I couldn't figure out how to find the episode on the I
heart website either.
Tara


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Hello all! Randomly came across this highly interesting and entertaining
podcast today. And was hoping you guys would appreciate it as much as I did!
enjoy!

 

 

 

The Tortoise and the Hare

Revisionist History

 

A weird speech by Antonin Scalia, a visit with some serious legal tortoises,
and a testy exchange with the experts at the Law School Admissions Council
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From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu  Tue Oct  4 17:31:20 2022
From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Derek Manners)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2022 13:31:20 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] Working with PDF documents
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If it’s a public form, you can sometimes find a tillable version online. I’m doing that now with a form I’m completing for a pro bono client. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 4, 2022, at 12:47 PM, Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Second. I will add that you can use a more sophisticated PDF editor, like Power PDF, and force the issue. These pieces of software have inconsistent success with JAWS. However, they do enable you to edit PDFs. 
> 
> For your specific scenario, if the PDF does not come with form fields built-in, it is either a mistake in how the PDF was prepared or else the author probably intended you to print out the document and fill it out by hand. In 2022, the latter is astounding to encounter, but it does happen.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2022 10:39 AM
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> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Working with PDF documents
> 
> [EXTERNAL]
> 
> You can't. PDF's are what they are and can't be easily changed. If JAWS
> doesn't see edit field, the creator of the form did something wrong -- or it
> is intended that you print out on paper and fill it out that way.
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Sarah Badillo via
> BlindLaw
> Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2022 9:34 AM
> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
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> Subject: [blindLaw] Working with PDF documents
> 
> Hello, I was wondering whether anyone had any experience working with jaws
> for windows and PDF documents? In other words, how can I fill out forms that
> do not have an edit field in the PDF or change things around in these kinds
> of  documents. Thanks in advance for your help
> 
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From pleaseletmesee2016 at gmail.com  Tue Oct  4 17:31:27 2022
From: pleaseletmesee2016 at gmail.com (Yoon Kim)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2022 13:31:27 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] interesting and entertaining podcast...
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Sorry, try https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/revisionist-history/id1119389968?i=1000442923261

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> On Oct 4, 2022, at 1:23 PM, Tara Chavez via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> The link didn't work. I couldn't figure out how to find the episode on the I
> heart website either.
> Tara
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> Subject: [blindLaw] interesting and entertaining podcast...
> 
> Hello all! Randomly came across this highly interesting and entertaining
> podcast today. And was hoping you guys would appreciate it as much as I did!
> enjoy!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> The Tortoise and the Hare
> 
> Revisionist History
> 
> 
> 
> A weird speech by Antonin Scalia, a visit with some serious legal tortoises,
> and a testy exchange with the experts at the Law School Admissions Council
> prompts Malcolm to formulate his Grand Unified Theory for fixing higher
> education. Learn more at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee
> omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
> 
> 
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From pleaseletmesee2016 at gmail.com  Tue Oct  4 18:06:17 2022
From: pleaseletmesee2016 at gmail.com (pleaseletmesee2016 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2022 14:06:17 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] new link to interesting and entertaining...
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Sorry about the peccadillo, try
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/revisionist-history/id1119389968?i=100
0442923261

 

 


From deepa.goraya at gmail.com  Tue Oct  4 18:15:58 2022
From: deepa.goraya at gmail.com (Deepa Goraya)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2022 14:15:58 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] A personal invitation: Join me at the Digital
 Accessibility Legal Summit (Nov 1-2, online)
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Hello friends and colleagues,

 

I want to share with you something that I know will be pertinent and
valuable to your work.

I am proud to be serving on the Steering Committee for the upcoming Digital
Accessibility Legal Summit, an online conference over two afternoons,
November 1st and 2nd.

This is the fourth annual event. The Summit features talks on the most
pressing issues of relevance to accessibility and legal professionals. 

I hope you can join us:

 <https://accessibility.legal/> 

The Day 1 Theme: "Is it, or isn't it? The People, The Courts, The DOJ and
the Applicability of Web Accessibility to the ADA"

The Day 2 Theme: "Emerging Legal Issues in Digital Accessibility"

The  <https://accessibility.legal/Program.html> full program is here, with
links to speaker bios, speaker resources, and more.

As a Steering Committee member, I can share with you a 15% discount code for
registration "PERTINENT".

Please also pass this message on to other colleagues who you think would
benefit from attending this event.

Best regards,

 

Deepa

 

Deepinder K. Goraya, Esq.

 

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From Vyingling at nfb.org  Fri Oct  7 21:07:25 2022
From: Vyingling at nfb.org (Yingling, Valerie)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2022 21:07:25 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Orozco v. Merrick oral argument on October 18
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If you are in the DC/Maryland/Virginia area, please consider attending the Orozco v. Merrick oral argument in-person on October 18 (details below). For those who cannot attend in-person, audio of the oral argument will be live-streamed on the court’s YouTube channel, www.youtube.com/USCourtsCADC<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fprotect-us.mimecast.com%2Fs%2F_0JvCkROzYcOrygQfz7Q0z%3Fdomain%3Dnam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com&data=05%7C01%7Cvyingling%40nfb.org%7C274b4c3e152b40c6eba308da9a43b25a%7C538f3d4b739545cf93fa8dfc2b4a7f62%7C1%7C0%7C637991912808755875%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=F5SassaNrzm5JOExwTw7f0p03cKUo0Ql5Cz6MMt3djE%3D&reserved=0>.

October 18 Oral Argument for Orozco v. Merrick in Washington, DC

We invite and encourage NFB members to attend the in-person oral argument for the NFB-supported case Orozco v. Merrick on October 18 in Washington, DC. NFB member Joe Orozco is appealing a federal district court decision finding that blind federal employees do not have a private right of action to directly enforce Section 508 of the Rehabilitation Act against their federal employers. The impact of the decision could extend to both members of the public seeking to access federal electronic information technology as well as disabled federal employees using technology at work.

When: October 18, 2022, at 9:00 A.M. Attendees should plan to stay until noon because we do not know the order in which cases will be called. Oral arguments are open to the public, but seating is limited and on a first-come, first-serve basis. Doors of the courtroom usually open around 9:10 a.m. The first argument begins at 9:30 a.m. Visitors should be aware that certain cases may attract large crowds, with lines forming before the courtroom doors open.

Where: United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia at 333 Constitution Avenue, NW, Washington, DC 20001. The courthouse is located one block northwest of the U.S. Capitol. Directions are available at https://www.cadc.uscourts.gov/internet/home.nsf/Content/VL+-+Courthouse+-+Getting+Here#CourthouseEntrances.

Details: Visitors should plan to dress professionally. Please note that any use of electronics is prohibited in the courtroom, and everyone in the courtroom must wear a KF94, KN95, or N95 mask. Masks will be available if needed. For those who cannot attend in-person, audio of the oral argument will be live-streamed on the Court’s YouTube channel, www.youtube.com/USCourtsCADC<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fprotect-us.mimecast.com%2Fs%2F_0JvCkROzYcOrygQfz7Q0z%3Fdomain%3Dnam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com&data=05%7C01%7Cvyingling%40nfb.org%7C274b4c3e152b40c6eba308da9a43b25a%7C538f3d4b739545cf93fa8dfc2b4a7f62%7C1%7C0%7C637991912808755875%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=F5SassaNrzm5JOExwTw7f0p03cKUo0Ql5Cz6MMt3djE%3D&reserved=0>.

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From sanho817 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  7 21:46:13 2022
From: sanho817 at gmail.com (Sanho Steele-Louchart)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2022 16:46:13 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] SSA Cases
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All,

Any accessible resources for taking SSA cases? That's quickly becoming
a large part of my practice, and I want to make sure I'm doing
everything as perfectly and as efficiently as possible.

Warmth,
Sanho



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From tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  7 22:13:51 2022
From: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com (tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2022 18:13:51 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] SSA Cases
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The National Organization of Social Security Claimants Representatives
(NOSSCR) might be a helpful resource.  

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Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw
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Subject: [blindLaw] SSA Cases

All,

Any accessible resources for taking SSA cases? That's quickly becoming a
large part of my practice, and I want to make sure I'm doing everything as
perfectly and as efficiently as possible.

Warmth,
Sanho



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From NSingh at cov.com  Mon Oct 10 18:38:53 2022
From: NSingh at cov.com (Singh, Nandini)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2022 18:38:53 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Experience with Schedule A Hiring Authority
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Hi All,

If anyone has experience with or else has successfully been hired to a federal attorney post under the Schedule A hiring authority (5 C.F.R. § 213,3102(u)), I would appreciate hearing from you.

Sincerely,
Nikki

Nandini Singh

Covington & Burling LLP
One CityCenter, 850 Tenth Street, NW
Washington, DC 20001-4956
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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Tue Oct 11 18:23:51 2022
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2022 18:23:51 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Who has legal standing to file an ADA public
 accommodations lawsuit? Standing Issues across-the-board Headed for the
 U.S. Supreme Court --- Bill Goren -- Serial Plaintiffs, etc.
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From: The Disability Discussion Docket (3D) <3D at MAIL.AMERICANBAR.ORG> On Behalf Of Sandler, Leonard
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Title III Standing Undoubtedly Headed to Supreme Court https://www.understandingtheada.com/blog/2022/10/11/title-iii-tester-standing/?utm_source=William+D.+Goren%2C+J.D.+LL.M.+-+Understanding+the+ADA&utm_campaign=da533f0f68-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_73510dec29-da533f0f68-78904806

By William Goren<https://www.linkedin.com/in/william-goren-j-d-ll-m-35626015/> on October 11, 2022
Posted in ADA<https://www.understandingtheada.com/blog/category/ada/>, Fair Housing Act<https://www.understandingtheada.com/blog/category/fair-housing-act/>, Federal Cases<https://www.understandingtheada.com/blog/category/federal-cases/>, Final Federal Regulations<https://www.understandingtheada.com/blog/category/final-federal-regulations/>, Title III<https://www.understandingtheada.com/blog/category/ada-accessing-businesses/>

Today’s blog entry come from the First Circuit, Laufer v. Acheson Hotels, LLC, here<https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=17131032719871148849&hl=en&as_sdt=6&as_vis=1&oi=scholarr>. It discusses standing and creates a split in the circuits. Undoubtedly, this issue will go before the Supreme Court. The facts of the case are pretty straightforward. What you have is a serial plaintiff and an avowed tester of Internet sites. In this case, she focuses on the hotel reservation rule and checks sites to see if they are complying with the specific hotel reservation rules in the Code of Federal Regulations. While she has an intention of visiting the website to see if the website is complying with the rule, she has no intention of actually visiting the properties themselves. Does she have standing? The First Circuit says she does. As usual, the blog entry is divided into categories and they are: court’s reasoning that plaintiff has standing; effects of prior Supreme Court cases and other Circuit Court decisions; plaintiff has standing to seek injunctive relief; and thoughts/takeaways. Of course, the reader is free to focus on any or all of the categories.

I Court’s Reasoning That Plaintiff Has Standing


  1.  When a place of public accommodation violates the ADA and discriminates against a person with disability, the ADA and the regulations implementing it permit a private individual to bring enforcement actions in federal court.
  2.  The question is whether a complaint contains enough facts to demonstrate that the court has subject matter jurisdiction.
  3.  In order to have standing, plaintiff must show that she: 1) suffered an injury in fact; 2) the injury is fairly traceable to the challenged conduct of the defendant; and 3) the injury is likely to be redressed by a favorable judicial decision.
  4.  An injury in fact means the invasion of a legally protected interest that is concrete and particularized and actual or imminent, not conjectural or hypothetical.
  5.  Standing doctrine has several purposes, including: 1) tends to ensure that the legal question presented to the court are resolved in a concrete factual context conducive to a realistic appreciation of the consequences of judicial action and not in the rarefied atmosphere of a debating society; 2) ensures federal courts don’t turn into a vehicle for the vindication of the value interests of concerned bystanders; and 3) reflects the separation of powers principles that courts should not be used to usurp the powers of the political branches.
  6.  Since standing is jurisdictional, it cannot be waived or forfeited and can be raised at any time by anyone. When it is raised, the burden of showing standing rests on the party invoking the court’s jurisdiction. A party has to meet that burden otherwise the case has to be dismissed.
  7.  In essence, standing is the question of whether the litigant is entitled to have the court decide the merits of the dispute or of particular issues.
  8.  Plaintiff’s claim is not so implausible that it is insufficient to preserve jurisdiction.
  9.  The hotel reservation regulation, 28 C.F.R. §36.302<https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/28/36.302>(e), clearly provides that hotels in their reservation portals must provide some detail-enough detail-to allow individuals with disability to know what services they can enjoy.
  10. Concrete injuries must actually exist, though the injury does not have to be tangible. Intangible injuries, such as the suppression of free speech or religious exercise or the invasion of common law rights actionable without wallet injury, can also be concrete.
  11. In figuring out whether an injury is concrete, the Supreme Court has said that you look to both history and the judgment of Congress.
  12. It is the responsibility of judges to independently decide whether a plaintiff has suffered a concrete harm under article III even if Congress adamantly says they do.
  13. A plaintiff’s deliberate choice to see if accommodations are obeying a statute does not mean that her injury impact is any less real or concrete.
  14. The purpose of the reservation rule requiring that places of lodging make available in their accommodation descriptions on the reservation services information about the accessible feature in their hotel and guest rooms is to reasonably permit a person to assess independently whether a given hotel meets her accessibility needs, which was exactly what the plaintiff was doing.
  15. There is also no carveout in the hotel reservation regulations that the information need only be turned over if the person trying to make a reservation actually wants to make a reservation.
  16. The Supreme Court has said that a black tester has standing with respect to the Fair Housing Act because that tester had a right to truthful information but was denied. The same applies here because the plaintiff was denied information to which she has a legal entitlement. Another way to look at it is that the black tester lack of intent to rent an apartment did not negate the simple fact of injury. Therefore, plaintiff’s lack of intent to book a room at the hotel room would not negate her standing either.
  17. The Supreme Court has repeatedly said that denial of information to which plaintiffs have a legal right to can be a concrete injury in fact.
  18. Prior Supreme Court opinions have made clear that a denial of information that a plaintiff is statutorily entitled to can make for a concrete injury in fact. Those same decisions hold that the denial of information to a member of a protected class alone can suffice to make an injury impact and that the person’s intended use of the information isn’t relevant.

II Effect of Prior Supreme Court Cases and Other Circuit Court Decisions


  1.  It is up to the Supreme Court to say that a decision overrules prior decisions of the Supreme Court and not to the Circuit Courts of Appeals.
  2.  Explicit holdings of the Supreme Court overrule any contrary dictum by the Supreme Court in later decisions. That is, arguments that the Supreme Court implicitly overruled one of its prior decisions are inherently suspect.
  3.  It is unlikely that the Supreme Court would overrule a prior decision in dictum with only three sentences of explanation contained in a footnote.
  4.  The black tester case, Havens Realty<https://www.oyez.org/cases/1981/80-988>, is so similar to plaintiff’s case as to render any distinction between the two of them insufficiently material. So, the First Circuit is bound by that decision until the Supreme Court says otherwise.
  5.  The ADA make the denial of information discrimination against persons with disabilities and gives that person the right to sue in response. That plaintiff had no intent to use the information for anything but a lawsuit doesn’t change anything because she was still injured in precisely the way the statute was designed to protect.
  6.  The regulations at issue specifically make the denial of accessibility information actionable discrimination against persons with disabilities. That is, the regulation was not designed only to make sure that a person with a disability could book a room but to ensure that a person with a disability could independently assess whether a given hotel or guest room meets his or her accessibility needs. The reservation rule recognizes that the public information on accessibility features is necessary to make sure persons with disabilities are able to reserve hotel rooms with the same efficiency, immediacy, and convenience as those who do not need accessible guest rooms.
  7.  Denying the plaintiff the same efficiency, immediacy, and convenience as those not requiring accommodations is exactly the discrimination the regulations are trying to stamp out.
  8.  The decisions of other circuit courts are simply not persuasive for several reasons: 1) the decision do not explain why the ADA tester plaintiff didn’t suffer an injury but the black tester plaintiff in Havens Realty did even though her only interest in using the information was testing compliance and bringing her lawsuit, just as is the case with an ADA reservation rule tester; 2) regardless of whether the rule involves a misrepresentation or any representation, it is a distinction without a difference. In either case, the law conferred on the plaintiff a legal right to truthful information about an accommodation; 3) the Supreme Court recently reaffirmed that the violation of a procedural right granted by statute can be sufficient in some circumstances so that plaintiff’s need not allege any additional harm beyond the one Congress has identified; 4) downstream effects is not something that appears in the most relevant Supreme Court case law governing standing.
  9.  Discrimination itself, by perpetuating archaic and stereotypic notions or by stigmatizing members of a disfavored group as innately inferior and therefore as less worthy participants in the political community, can cause serious noneconomic injury to those persons who are personally denied equal treatment solely because of their membership in a disfavored group.
  10. Trans Union, discussed here<https://www.understandingtheada.com/blog/2021/06/29/have-ada-serial-plaintiffs-and-testers-hit-a-dead-end/>, cited discriminatory treatment as an example of concrete de facto injuries that were previously inadequate at law that Congress could elevate to the status of legally cognizable injuries.
  11. Plaintiff alleges that she suffered frustration and humiliation when the hotel reservation portals did not give her adequate information about whether she could take advantage of the accommodations. Without that information, plaintiff is not put on an equal footing to experience the world in the same way as those who do not have disabilities. Avoiding precisely that part is the point of the ADA which was designed to advance equal citizenship for persons with disabilities by aiming to guarantee a baseline of equal citizenship by protecting against stigma and systematic exclusion from public and private opportunities. When faced with exactly this situation, the 11th Circuit, discussed here<https://www.understandingtheada.com/blog/2022/04/05/internet-accessibility-standing-ada/>, found standing
  12. Even assuming downstream consequences are a thing, plaintiff’s feelings of frustration, humiliation, and second-class citizenry are downstream consequences and adverse effects of the informational injury she experienced.
  13. Plaintiff’s injuries are particularized. In particular, she personally suffered the loss of dignity and feeling less than equal and endured humiliation, frustration, and embarrassment.
  14. The injury is also differentiated from others because plaintiff is a person with a disability who personally suffered the denial of information the law entitles her to have.

III Plaintiff Has Standing to Seek Injunctive Relief


  1.  Standing to seek injunctive relief turns on the question of whether the plaintiff has shown a sufficient likelihood that she will again be wronged in a similar way, sometimes referred to as imminence.
  2.  Imminence requires that the injury not be conjectural, hypothetical, or simply possible. Describing this concept, the Supreme Court has said that a plaintiff’s proclaimed intent to return to the place that they have visited before is by itself simply not enough.
  3.  Plaintiff’s intent to revisit the website are the farthest thing from those same day intentions found insufficient in Supreme Court decisions. She specifically alleges that she has concrete plans to go back to the websites in the near future. In fact, she has a sophisticated system to continue monitoring the noncompliant website she finds.
  4.  Plaintiff is a self-proclaimed ADA tester who makes it her job to test website for ADA compliance.
  5.  Plaintiff also asserts that while the hotels reservation system had made its website ADA compliant, it had not persuaded third-party reservation services to do the same. So, her likelihood of future injury is far from conjectural or hypothetical rather it is imminent.
  6.  Defendant’s mootness argument does not fly because mootness is a demanding standard. For a case to be moot, it must be shown that it is impossible for a court to grant any effectual relief whatsoever to plaintiff assuming the plaintiff prevails. Further, the party asserting mootness bears the burden of showing that it exists. As mentioned above, the third-party reservation sites have yet to comply with the reservation rule.
  7.  Plaintiff’s claims against the third-party websites are not insubstantial and frivolous.
  8.  The reservation rule extends to reservations made by any means including through a third-party.
  9.  The defendant has not represented that it made the information available now on its website to all of the 13 third-party booking websites that plaintiff alleges are noncompliant.

IV Thoughts/Takeaways


  1.  Judge Howard agreed that the complaint adequately alleges standing for declaratory relief, but was doubtful that it sufficiently alleges standing to pursue injunctive relief. That said, Judge Howard did not file a separate opinion.
  2.  I previously wrote a blog entry discussing a Seventh Circuit dissenting opinion arguing that emotional distress damages were a part of the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act, here<https://www.understandingtheada.com/blog/2022/06/16/ada-title-ii-iii-tester-standing/>. I argued that that dissenting opinion was a strong argument for the Supreme Court to distinguish tester standing under the Fair Housing Act from standing under title III of the ADA. In particular: 1) the Fair Housing Act has specific references to perceivable emotional harm within its statute but title III explicitly does not; 2) per Cummings, which we discussed here<https://www.understandingtheada.com/blog/2022/04/29/cummings-decided/>, the Rehabilitation Act does not allow for emotional distress damages; 3) since damages are not an element of title III of the ADA, it is impossible to show that damages are allowed under title III. Therefore, remedies incorporating an element of emotional distress have not been around for a long time; 4) the judgment of Congress pronged is going to be a difficult bar for a plaintiff to get over because of the statutory provisions of title III of the ADA, which doesn’t even allow for damages; 5) there is nothing in the ADA’s findings section explicitly addressing intangible harms. That is, you do not see language like you do in the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act that foreseeably lead to the conclusion that emotional distress is in play; 6) Justice Thomas’s private v. public right distinction that he discussed in TransUnion won’t help a person with a disability because disability discrimination is a public right.
  3.  Emotional distress damages are not a thing under title III of the ADA. All you can get is injunctive relief and attorney fees. That raises a real question to my mind as to the dignitary harms suffered by the plaintiff being sufficient for a plaintiff to get standing because emotional distress damages are not a thing under title III.
  4.  The court finesses the intent to return by suggesting that the proper analysis is an intent to return to the website and not to the hotel because the reservation rule involves a website and not the physical place. It’s an interesting argument taken by the court as I have not seen intent to return parsed that way before.
  5.  Not every Code of Federal Regulations results in a private cause of action being available. See, Schmidt v. Pennymac Loan Services, LLC, 106 F. Supp. 3d 859 (E.D. Mich. 2015)<https://casetext.com/case/schmidt-v-pennymac-loan-servs-llc?jxs=1cirapp,2cirapp,3cirapp,4cirapp,5cirapp,6cirapp,7cirapp,8cirapp,9cirapp,10cirapp,11cirapp,dccirapp,fedcir,dme,dma,dnh,dpr,dri,dct,dvt,edny,ndny,sdny,wdny,dde,dnj,dvi,edpa,mdpa,wdpa,dmd,dsc,ednc,mdnc,wdnc,edva,wdva,ndwv,sdwv,edla,mdla,wdla,ndms,sdms,edtx,ndtx,sdtx,wdtx,edky,wdky,edmi,wdmi,ndoh,sdoh,edtn,mdtn,wdtn,cdil,ndil,sdil,ndin,sdin,edwi,wdwi,dmn,dne,dnd,dsd,edar,wdar,ndia,sdia,edmo,wdmo,dak,daz,dgm,dhi,did,dmt,dnv,dor,cdca,edca,ndca,sdca,edwa,wdwa,dco,dks,dnm,dut,dwy,edok,ndok,wdok,mdal,ndal,sdal,mdfl,ndfl,sdfl,mdga,ndga,sdga,ddc,us&p=3&q=%22Cause%20of%20action%22%20%2F6%20%22federal%20regulations%22&sort=relevance&type=case&ssr=false&scrollTo=true>.
  6.  TransUnion specifically said that a statutory injury by itself is not sufficient.
  7.  Since the Fair Housing Act implicitly recognizes that emotional harms are in play when housing discrimination occurs but the ADA does not have any similar language, certainly not in title III, the Supreme Court decision in Havens Realty can be distinguished.
  8.  The Supreme Court frequently narrows cases without explicitly doing so, particularly when Chief Justice Roberts was a swing vote.
  9.  On a personal level, it is very unclear to me whether the hotel reservation rule really makes a difference for people with certain kinds of disabilities. I can’t tell you how often I go into a hotel room where the hotel simply does not understand what it means to have a room that is accessible to a deaf individual. It is not unusual for me to get into a back-and-forth with the hotel to explain to them that the room is not accessible even though they are convinced that it is. In other words, if a website were to tell me that a room was accessible to a deaf individual I wouldn’t believe it unless they were to list out what exactly is in that hotel room.
  10. The burden of showing standing is on the complainant, while the burden of showing mootness is on the defendant. Mootness was never easy to show and standing no longer is.
  11. I fully expect my colleague Richard Hunt to eventually blog on this case, and I look forward to reading his take on the First Circuit decision.
  12. This case is undoubtedly headed to the Supreme Court. Figuring out what the Supreme Court is going to do in disability discrimination matters is a fools errand. That said, for the reasons I discuss in this blog entry I do not like the chances of the plaintiff when it gets to the Supreme Court.



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From ces2266 at columbia.edu  Wed Oct 12 03:52:25 2022
From: ces2266 at columbia.edu (Caleb E. Smith)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2022 23:52:25 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] ChangePro in Word vs. PDF, or Track Changes
Message-ID: <CAPvmW5RVnbbUqAY2jrrcRXX7+K_n-1RyPMe-GyYfZThmqAteCA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
I knwo this won't be the first Track Changes related thread on here.
Wondering, though, if people have preferred Track changes or ChangePro.
And, either way, if you're experienced with ChangePro, is it better to use
in Word or in PDF?

From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 12 05:01:37 2022
From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2022 05:01:37 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Doing a page read with a client: request for inputs
Message-ID: <KL1PR0601MB572640B5DCC87811D42FFBA5FD229@KL1PR0601MB5726.apcprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hi all,

Good morning from India. I work at a boutique intellectual property and civil litigation firm called Ira Law as an attorney. I recently encountered the following difficulty. I was asked to take the lead on a meeting with a client. The subject matter of the discussion was a questionnaire by a government body to which we had submitted our responses on behalf of our client. We were going to do a page read- a line by line analysis of the document with the client, to ensure that we were ad idem on everything. One of my colleagues suggested projecting the document by using the screen share feature on her computer so that it would be on everyone’s screen. We were using Google meet. The meeting was virtual. I realize that, despite agreeing to this process, it was not an accessible approach for me. This was because I could not see what everyone else was seeing on the screen and hence could not be  in sync with what they were reading. So I only gave a broad outline of our comments to the questionnaire and then left it to my colleague to lead a line by line discussion.

I am wondering how I can avoid this result in future. What would be an accessible way for me to take the lead on meetings of this nature? Should I offer to share the screen myself?  That would not be particularly easy, but I would at least be able to have control over what everyone is reading and can let the client know at the outset that because of my blindness there may be a slight lag in my ability to read with my screen reader what is in the document. I think this would be the best solution. Let me know if you have any other ideas. Thank you.

Warmly,
Rahul

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From angie.matney at gmail.com  Wed Oct 12 06:28:05 2022
From: angie.matney at gmail.com (Angie Matney)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2022 02:28:05 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] Doing a page read with a client: request for inputs
In-Reply-To: <KL1PR0601MB572640B5DCC87811D42FFBA5FD229@KL1PR0601MB5726.apcprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <KL1PR0601MB572640B5DCC87811D42FFBA5FD229@KL1PR0601MB5726.apcprd06.prod.outlook.com>
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Hello Rahul, 

My preference is not to share my own screen. I have sometimes asked the client to share a screen. Then, either the client or I will read a bit of each item as we advance to make sure we are in sync. "i will also sometimes ask an associate or paralegal to screen share and "tee up" each item. I know it is not always possible to have another person on a call, but I find that when I can do this, it helps me concentrate more on the substance of the discussion. Of course, each situation is different. I think your approach would work also—it is just not how I have aproached this. 

Best, 

Angie 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 12, 2022, at 1:03 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Good morning from India. I work at a boutique intellectual property and civil litigation firm called Ira Law as an attorney. I recently encountered the following difficulty. I was asked to take the lead on a meeting with a client. The subject matter of the discussion was a questionnaire by a government body to which we had submitted our responses on behalf of our client. We were going to do a page read- a line by line analysis of the document with the client, to ensure that we were ad idem on everything. One of my colleagues suggested projecting the document by using the screen share feature on her computer so that it would be on everyone’s screen. We were using Google meet. The meeting was virtual. I realize that, despite agreeing to this process, it was not an accessible approach for me. This was because I could not see what everyone else was seeing on the screen and hence could not be  in sync with what they were reading. So I only gave a broad outline of our comments to the questionnaire and then left it to my colleague to lead a line by line discussion.
> 
> I am wondering how I can avoid this result in future. What would be an accessible way for me to take the lead on meetings of this nature? Should I offer to share the screen myself?  That would not be particularly easy, but I would at least be able to have control over what everyone is reading and can let the client know at the outset that because of my blindness there may be a slight lag in my ability to read with my screen reader what is in the document. I think this would be the best solution. Let me know if you have any other ideas. Thank you.
> 
> Warmly,
> Rahul
> 
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From angie.matney at gmail.com  Wed Oct 12 06:36:05 2022
From: angie.matney at gmail.com (Angie Matney)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2022 02:36:05 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] ChangePro in Word vs. PDF, or Track Changes
In-Reply-To: <CAPvmW5RVnbbUqAY2jrrcRXX7+K_n-1RyPMe-GyYfZThmqAteCA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPvmW5RVnbbUqAY2jrrcRXX7+K_n-1RyPMe-GyYfZThmqAteCA@mail.gmail.com>
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I never had much luck actually using ChangePro, but I haven't tried in some time. Having said that, people have prepared redlines for me using ChangePro, and I've used them with specific sound schemes in JAWS to review edits to documents. "i use a sound scheme that announces the attributes, font information, and color as I review the document. I currently use an older but similar product to make my own redlines. I configured it to prefix each change with a caret (^), which makes it easy  to move back and forth between edits. 

Hope this makes sense. Happy to try to answer any questions.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 11, 2022, at 11:53 PM, Caleb E. Smith via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I knwo this won't be the first Track Changes related thread on here.
> Wondering, though, if people have preferred Track changes or ChangePro.
> And, either way, if you're experienced with ChangePro, is it better to use
> in Word or in PDF?
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From amarjain at amarjain.com  Wed Oct 12 07:09:39 2022
From: amarjain at amarjain.com (Amar Jain)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2022 12:39:39 +0530
Subject: [blindLaw] ChangePro in Word vs. PDF, or Track Changes
In-Reply-To: <EAC0372F-5228-4D30-8617-D3EC7756C822@gmail.com>
References: <CAPvmW5RVnbbUqAY2jrrcRXX7+K_n-1RyPMe-GyYfZThmqAteCA@mail.gmail.com>
 <EAC0372F-5228-4D30-8617-D3EC7756C822@gmail.com>
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To add, Change Pro Word would be preferred, because in PDF screen reader 
does not render formatting attributes including color related 
information. The only workaround is to open the PDF in Word and then 
read the redline.

Regards,
Amar Jain
On 12/10/2022 12:06, Angie Matney via BlindLaw wrote:
> I never had much luck actually using ChangePro, but I haven't tried in
> some time. Having said that, people have prepared redlines for me
> using ChangePro, and I've used them with specific sound schemes in
> JAWS to review edits to documents. "i use a sound scheme that
> announces the attributes, font information, and color as I review the
> document. I currently use an older but similar product to make my own
> redlines. I configured it to prefix each change with a caret (^),
> which makes it easy  to move back and forth between edits.
> 
> Hope this makes sense. Happy to try to answer any questions.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 11, 2022, at 11:53 PM, Caleb E. Smith via BlindLaw 
>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I knwo this won't be the first Track Changes related thread on here.
>> Wondering, though, if people have preferred Track changes or 
>> ChangePro.
>> And, either way, if you're experienced with ChangePro, is it better to 
>> use
>> in Word or in PDF?
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From teresitarios22 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 12 13:40:26 2022
From: teresitarios22 at gmail.com (Teresita Rios)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2022 09:40:26 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] Doing a page read with a client: request for inputs
In-Reply-To: <ECAE7453-4E5F-475A-829A-51214350816D@gmail.com>
References: <KL1PR0601MB572640B5DCC87811D42FFBA5FD229@KL1PR0601MB5726.apcprd06.prod.outlook.com>
 <ECAE7453-4E5F-475A-829A-51214350816D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B8CD0C2B-8FF8-43C4-B487-2366C80C4DA3@gmail.com>

Hi, 
If all the text can be read by my computer, I have had either, had my computer read the line to everyone or I have echoed the Screenreader. And then added my thoughts  verbally. 
I usually, do not share my screen but only if I have to because a client is not finding where I am exactly in the document. 
I try to also sent  out the document ahead of  time. Sometimes it is marked up with underlines or comments. Specially if I will need anything from the client and they wil have the document to refresh their memory. 
I try to have a copy of all my documents in word format.  I find them easier/faster to navigate, and to select a sentence or paragraph if I do endup sharing my screen. 
I would not have my co council or others share their screen, unless they are willing to read the sentences outloud. 
And I make sure to communicate this a head of time. 

I hope this is helpful in any way. 
Best, 
Teresita Rios 


> On Oct 12, 2022, at 2:28 AM, Angie Matney via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Rahul, 
> 
> My preference is not to share my own screen. I have sometimes asked the client to share a screen. Then, either the client or I will read a bit of each item as we advance to make sure we are in sync. "i will also sometimes ask an associate or paralegal to screen share and "tee up" each item. I know it is not always possible to have another person on a call, but I find that when I can do this, it helps me concentrate more on the substance of the discussion. Of course, each situation is different. I think your approach would work also—it is just not how I have aproached this. 
> 
> Best, 
> 
> Angie 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 12, 2022, at 1:03 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org <mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Good morning from India. I work at a boutique intellectual property and civil litigation firm called Ira Law as an attorney. I recently encountered the following difficulty. I was asked to take the lead on a meeting with a client. The subject matter of the discussion was a questionnaire by a government body to which we had submitted our responses on behalf of our client. We were going to do a page read- a line by line analysis of the document with the client, to ensure that we were ad idem on everything. One of my colleagues suggested projecting the document by using the screen share feature on her computer so that it would be on everyone’s screen. We were using Google meet. The meeting was virtual. I realize that, despite agreeing to this process, it was not an accessible approach for me. This was because I could not see what everyone else was seeing on the screen and hence could not be  in sync with what they were reading. So I only gave a broad outline of our comments to the questionnaire and then left it to my colleague to lead a line by line discussion.
>> 
>> I am wondering how I can avoid this result in future. What would be an accessible way for me to take the lead on meetings of this nature? Should I offer to share the screen myself?  That would not be particularly easy, but I would at least be able to have control over what everyone is reading and can let the client know at the outset that because of my blindness there may be a slight lag in my ability to read with my screen reader what is in the document. I think this would be the best solution. Let me know if you have any other ideas. Thank you.
>> 
>> Warmly,
>> Rahul
>> 
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From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 17 03:01:34 2022
From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2022 08:31:34 +0530
Subject: [blindLaw] Doing a page read with a client: request for inputs
In-Reply-To: <KL1PR0601MB572640B5DCC87811D42FFBA5FD229@KL1PR0601MB5726.apcprd06.prod.outlook.com>
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Hi.

I seem to have inadvertnetly deleted the responses to my original post.
COuld Angie and the other person who responded please reiterate their
answers? I think Angie said that she does not prefer screen share, but I
forget the rest of her response.

What would be the best course of action for me to lead a meeting where I
have to go over a document with a client, line by line, in a virtual
meeting? Thanks.

Rahul

On Wed, 12 Oct 2022 at 10:31, Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Good morning from India. I work at a boutique intellectual property and
> civil litigation firm called Ira Law as an attorney. I recently encountered
> the following difficulty. I was asked to take the lead on a meeting with a
> client. The subject matter of the discussion was a questionnaire by a
> government body to which we had submitted our responses on behalf of our
> client. We were going to do a page read- a line by line analysis of the
> document with the client, to ensure that we were ad idem on everything. One
> of my colleagues suggested projecting the document by using the screen
> share feature on her computer so that it would be on everyone’s screen. We
> were using Google meet. The meeting was virtual. I realize that, despite
> agreeing to this process, it was not an accessible approach for me. This
> was because I could not see what everyone else was seeing on the screen and
> hence could not be  in sync with what they were reading. So I only gave a
> broad outline of our comments to the questionnaire and then left it to my
> colleague to lead a line by line discussion.
>
> I am wondering how I can avoid this result in future. What would be an
> accessible way for me to take the lead on meetings of this nature? Should I
> offer to share the screen myself?  That would not be particularly easy, but
> I would at least be able to have control over what everyone is reading and
> can let the client know at the outset that because of my blindness there
> may be a slight lag in my ability to read with my screen reader what is in
> the document. I think this would be the best solution. Let me know if you
> have any other ideas. Thank you.
>
> Warmly,
> Rahul
>
> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
>


-- 
--
Rahul Bajaj
Attorney, Ira Law
Senior Associate Fellow, Vidhi Centre for Legal Policy
Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018), University of Oxford
Co-Founder, Mission Accessibility
Special Correspondent on the rights of persons with disabilities, Oxford
Human Rights Hub
Coordinator of the working group on accessibility, e-Committee, Supreme
Court of India

From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 17 03:23:48 2022
From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2022 08:53:48 +0530
Subject: [blindLaw] arguing matters in court: a roadblock and a possible way
 forward
Message-ID: <CADFycPaUpy9P_Hpp9puwmqH9gNohD3ojx+K5VCrBV0U=CbyASg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Good morning from New Delhi. I work as a practicing attorney at an IP and
civil litigation firm in Delhi. In litigation, making regular appearances
before judges is vital for gaining the confidence of the bar, the bench and
the litigant public. I have clerked for a Supreme Court judge before and
did some specialized litigation in my law firm job as a fresh law graduate.
but this is my first actual experience of doing a hardcore litigation job -
something I have always wanted to try. I am 4 months in. One challenge I
have been facing is not having a mechanism to appear in court on my own and
argue matters before judges. Part of the reason for this not happening is
because it takes time to build experience and trust.  but it also has to do
with accessibility. Sharing below the key features of an exchange with a
senior colleague at the firm I had recently apropos this. keen to hear any
constructive suggestions on the way forward.

I said to him:
"Going forward, I am wondering what we can do to enable me to go solo to a
court and do the needful in a given
matter. For instance, this coming Monday, I think I would have been more
useful to the firm if I were going to a court where no one else is able to
go
due to the volume of matters, as opposed to going to the high court
[details of case redacted] where multiple people are anyway going, simply
to observe proceedings. Of course, in a given day, if there is no such
matter where there is scope
to contribute more than merely observing the proceedings, then it makes
sense to go just to observe matters. I guess what I am saying is that I
would not
like my choice of matters to be dictated by the accessibility of a court
complex but instead by where the firm might need me most and where I can
contribute
most. Equally, I understand that it would be easier for me to go for a
matter where I can tag along with a colleague or court clerks, as opposed to
being on my own. And, of course, accessibility barriers cannot be simply
wished away...  That said, going forward, we should develop a system where
I can take up assignments where the firm can rely on me to be its face for a
matter. And where this choice is not guided by accessibility, but factors
that are otherwise applicable, namely experience and trust. I am not sure
how
we can do this. I think the best way would be to hire an employee, part of
whose express mandate would be to assist me, inter alia, in court and with
accessibility
challenges. I am sure we can work out the logistics and commercials in a
mutually convenient fashion. What do you think?

We had a good conversation about this. they shared that the reason why they
were hesitant to send me alone for a matter to a court was because there
wouldn't be a court staff or colleague to provide help. And that we needed
to figure out a way to deal with this. and that I shouldn't think that this
was a reflection on my abilities as a lawyer, but that it was a learning
process for them also.

I suggested hiring a fresh law graduate as my assistant, with the salary
being shared 50-50 between me and the firm. that person can help me
with barriers of this nature, most notably court appearances. I will await
further correspondence.

I understand that some litigation practices referenced above may be
unfamiliar to you. but the broad contours of the issue should be fairly
clear.

Warmly,
Rahul






-- 
--
Rahul Bajaj
Attorney, Ira Law
Senior Associate Fellow, Vidhi Centre for Legal Policy
Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018), University of Oxford
Co-Founder, Mission Accessibility
Special Correspondent on the rights of persons with disabilities, Oxford
Human Rights Hub
Coordinator of the working group on accessibility, e-Committee, Supreme
Court of India

From sanho817 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 17 03:30:01 2022
From: sanho817 at gmail.com (Sanho Steele-Louchart)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2022 22:30:01 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] arguing matters in court: a roadblock and a possible
 way forward
In-Reply-To: <CADFycPaUpy9P_Hpp9puwmqH9gNohD3ojx+K5VCrBV0U=CbyASg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADFycPaUpy9P_Hpp9puwmqH9gNohD3ojx+K5VCrBV0U=CbyASg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAL6jpeyFWRc-JsS+tihHj+imt7P3-soMKC8G8yGSK=r8g2-Org@mail.gmail.com>

Rahul,

Could you describe some of the in-court issues you might need help with?

Warmth,
Sanho

On 10/16/22, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Good morning from New Delhi. I work as a practicing attorney at an IP and
> civil litigation firm in Delhi. In litigation, making regular appearances
> before judges is vital for gaining the confidence of the bar, the bench and
> the litigant public. I have clerked for a Supreme Court judge before and
> did some specialized litigation in my law firm job as a fresh law graduate.
> but this is my first actual experience of doing a hardcore litigation job -
> something I have always wanted to try. I am 4 months in. One challenge I
> have been facing is not having a mechanism to appear in court on my own and
> argue matters before judges. Part of the reason for this not happening is
> because it takes time to build experience and trust.  but it also has to do
> with accessibility. Sharing below the key features of an exchange with a
> senior colleague at the firm I had recently apropos this. keen to hear any
> constructive suggestions on the way forward.
>
> I said to him:
> "Going forward, I am wondering what we can do to enable me to go solo to a
> court and do the needful in a given
> matter. For instance, this coming Monday, I think I would have been more
> useful to the firm if I were going to a court where no one else is able to
> go
> due to the volume of matters, as opposed to going to the high court
> [details of case redacted] where multiple people are anyway going, simply
> to observe proceedings. Of course, in a given day, if there is no such
> matter where there is scope
> to contribute more than merely observing the proceedings, then it makes
> sense to go just to observe matters. I guess what I am saying is that I
> would not
> like my choice of matters to be dictated by the accessibility of a court
> complex but instead by where the firm might need me most and where I can
> contribute
> most. Equally, I understand that it would be easier for me to go for a
> matter where I can tag along with a colleague or court clerks, as opposed
> to
> being on my own. And, of course, accessibility barriers cannot be simply
> wished away...  That said, going forward, we should develop a system where
> I can take up assignments where the firm can rely on me to be its face for
> a
> matter. And where this choice is not guided by accessibility, but factors
> that are otherwise applicable, namely experience and trust. I am not sure
> how
> we can do this. I think the best way would be to hire an employee, part of
> whose express mandate would be to assist me, inter alia, in court and with
> accessibility
> challenges. I am sure we can work out the logistics and commercials in a
> mutually convenient fashion. What do you think?
>
> We had a good conversation about this. they shared that the reason why they
> were hesitant to send me alone for a matter to a court was because there
> wouldn't be a court staff or colleague to provide help. And that we needed
> to figure out a way to deal with this. and that I shouldn't think that this
> was a reflection on my abilities as a lawyer, but that it was a learning
> process for them also.
>
> I suggested hiring a fresh law graduate as my assistant, with the salary
> being shared 50-50 between me and the firm. that person can help me
> with barriers of this nature, most notably court appearances. I will await
> further correspondence.
>
> I understand that some litigation practices referenced above may be
> unfamiliar to you. but the broad contours of the issue should be fairly
> clear.
>
> Warmly,
> Rahul
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> --
> Rahul Bajaj
> Attorney, Ira Law
> Senior Associate Fellow, Vidhi Centre for Legal Policy
> Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018), University of Oxford
> Co-Founder, Mission Accessibility
> Special Correspondent on the rights of persons with disabilities, Oxford
> Human Rights Hub
> Coordinator of the working group on accessibility, e-Committee, Supreme
> Court of India
> _______________________________________________
> BlindLaw mailing list
> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> BlindLaw:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sanho817%40gmail.com
>


-- 
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From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 17 03:55:07 2022
From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2022 03:55:07 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] arguing matters in court: a roadblock and a possible
 way forward
In-Reply-To: <CAL6jpeyFWRc-JsS+tihHj+imt7P3-soMKC8G8yGSK=r8g2-Org@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADFycPaUpy9P_Hpp9puwmqH9gNohD3ojx+K5VCrBV0U=CbyASg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAL6jpeyFWRc-JsS+tihHj+imt7P3-soMKC8G8yGSK=r8g2-Org@mail.gmail.com>
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With legal and non-legal aspects. On the legal side, I would need help in getting the person to read out verbatim certain extracts that I would like the judge to consider. to be able to pull out, in short order, relevant pages that the judge may ask a question about and be able to assist me the whole time in answering those questions. In general, I would need help in navigating the “complex, getting to the desired courtroom, being taken to the lectern, being able to speak with the court master if anything comes up and that kind of thing.

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From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> on behalf of Sanho Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
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Subject: Re: [blindLaw] arguing matters in court: a roadblock and a possible way forward

Rahul,

Could you describe some of the in-court issues you might need help with?

Warmth,
Sanho

On 10/16/22, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Good morning from New Delhi. I work as a practicing attorney at an IP and
> civil litigation firm in Delhi. In litigation, making regular appearances
> before judges is vital for gaining the confidence of the bar, the bench and
> the litigant public. I have clerked for a Supreme Court judge before and
> did some specialized litigation in my law firm job as a fresh law graduate.
> but this is my first actual experience of doing a hardcore litigation job -
> something I have always wanted to try. I am 4 months in. One challenge I
> have been facing is not having a mechanism to appear in court on my own and
> argue matters before judges. Part of the reason for this not happening is
> because it takes time to build experience and trust.  but it also has to do
> with accessibility. Sharing below the key features of an exchange with a
> senior colleague at the firm I had recently apropos this. keen to hear any
> constructive suggestions on the way forward.
>
> I said to him:
> "Going forward, I am wondering what we can do to enable me to go solo to a
> court and do the needful in a given
> matter. For instance, this coming Monday, I think I would have been more
> useful to the firm if I were going to a court where no one else is able to
> go
> due to the volume of matters, as opposed to going to the high court
> [details of case redacted] where multiple people are anyway going, simply
> to observe proceedings. Of course, in a given day, if there is no such
> matter where there is scope
> to contribute more than merely observing the proceedings, then it makes
> sense to go just to observe matters. I guess what I am saying is that I
> would not
> like my choice of matters to be dictated by the accessibility of a court
> complex but instead by where the firm might need me most and where I can
> contribute
> most. Equally, I understand that it would be easier for me to go for a
> matter where I can tag along with a colleague or court clerks, as opposed
> to
> being on my own. And, of course, accessibility barriers cannot be simply
> wished away...  That said, going forward, we should develop a system where
> I can take up assignments where the firm can rely on me to be its face for
> a
> matter. And where this choice is not guided by accessibility, but factors
> that are otherwise applicable, namely experience and trust. I am not sure
> how
> we can do this. I think the best way would be to hire an employee, part of
> whose express mandate would be to assist me, inter alia, in court and with
> accessibility
> challenges. I am sure we can work out the logistics and commercials in a
> mutually convenient fashion. What do you think?
>
> We had a good conversation about this. they shared that the reason why they
> were hesitant to send me alone for a matter to a court was because there
> wouldn't be a court staff or colleague to provide help. And that we needed
> to figure out a way to deal with this. and that I shouldn't think that this
> was a reflection on my abilities as a lawyer, but that it was a learning
> process for them also.
>
> I suggested hiring a fresh law graduate as my assistant, with the salary
> being shared 50-50 between me and the firm. that person can help me
> with barriers of this nature, most notably court appearances. I will await
> further correspondence.
>
> I understand that some litigation practices referenced above may be
> unfamiliar to you. but the broad contours of the issue should be fairly
> clear.
>
> Warmly,
> Rahul
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> --
> Rahul Bajaj
> Attorney, Ira Law
> Senior Associate Fellow, Vidhi Centre for Legal Policy
> Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018), University of Oxford
> Co-Founder, Mission Accessibility
> Special Correspondent on the rights of persons with disabilities, Oxford
> Human Rights Hub
> Coordinator of the working group on accessibility, e-Committee, Supreme
> Court of India
> _______________________________________________
> BlindLaw mailing list
> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> BlindLaw:
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>


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From angie.matney at gmail.com  Mon Oct 17 07:40:36 2022
From: angie.matney at gmail.com (Angie Matney)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2022 03:40:36 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] Doing a page read with a client: request for inputs
In-Reply-To: <CADFycPao9R=i=SpQyP7FXf6+RE5XbrP7EUDOxMztZiU+RveTaA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <KL1PR0601MB572640B5DCC87811D42FFBA5FD229@KL1PR0601MB5726.apcprd06.prod.outlook.com>
 <CADFycPao9R=i=SpQyP7FXf6+RE5XbrP7EUDOxMztZiU+RveTaA@mail.gmail.com>
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Rahul, this is my prior response:

Hello Rahul,

My preference is not to share my own screen. I have sometimes asked
the client to share a screen. Then, either the client or I will read a
bit of each item as we advance to make sure we are in sync. "i will
also sometimes ask an associate or paralegal to screen share and "tee
up" each item. I know it is not always possible to have another person
on a call, but I find that when I can do this, it helps me concentrate
more on the substance of the discussion. Of course, each situation is
different. I think your approach would work also—it is just not how I
have aproached this.

Best,

Angie

On 10/16/22, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi.
>
> I seem to have inadvertnetly deleted the responses to my original post.
> COuld Angie and the other person who responded please reiterate their
> answers? I think Angie said that she does not prefer screen share, but I
> forget the rest of her response.
>
> What would be the best course of action for me to lead a meeting where I
> have to go over a document with a client, line by line, in a virtual
> meeting? Thanks.
>
> Rahul
>
> On Wed, 12 Oct 2022 at 10:31, Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Good morning from India. I work at a boutique intellectual property and
>> civil litigation firm called Ira Law as an attorney. I recently
>> encountered
>> the following difficulty. I was asked to take the lead on a meeting with a
>> client. The subject matter of the discussion was a questionnaire by a
>> government body to which we had submitted our responses on behalf of our
>> client. We were going to do a page read- a line by line analysis of the
>> document with the client, to ensure that we were ad idem on everything.
>> One
>> of my colleagues suggested projecting the document by using the screen
>> share feature on her computer so that it would be on everyone’s screen. We
>> were using Google meet. The meeting was virtual. I realize that, despite
>> agreeing to this process, it was not an accessible approach for me. This
>> was because I could not see what everyone else was seeing on the screen
>> and
>> hence could not be  in sync with what they were reading. So I only gave a
>> broad outline of our comments to the questionnaire and then left it to my
>> colleague to lead a line by line discussion.
>>
>> I am wondering how I can avoid this result in future. What would be an
>> accessible way for me to take the lead on meetings of this nature? Should
>> I
>> offer to share the screen myself?  That would not be particularly easy,
>> but
>> I would at least be able to have control over what everyone is reading and
>> can let the client know at the outset that because of my blindness there
>> may be a slight lag in my ability to read with my screen reader what is in
>> the document. I think this would be the best solution. Let me know if you
>> have any other ideas. Thank you.
>>
>> Warmly,
>> Rahul
>>
>> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
>>
>
>
> --
> --
> Rahul Bajaj
> Attorney, Ira Law
> Senior Associate Fellow, Vidhi Centre for Legal Policy
> Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018), University of Oxford
> Co-Founder, Mission Accessibility
> Special Correspondent on the rights of persons with disabilities, Oxford
> Human Rights Hub
> Coordinator of the working group on accessibility, e-Committee, Supreme
> Court of India
> _______________________________________________
> BlindLaw mailing list
> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> BlindLaw:
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>


From angie.matney at gmail.com  Mon Oct 17 09:33:18 2022
From: angie.matney at gmail.com (Angie Matney)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2022 05:33:18 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] Doing a page read with a client: request for inputs
In-Reply-To: <CAN4Q-EqC0hH1iqAaAuw8iUffuCs47DSjAV4Mjx-12=1GJMJRHA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <KL1PR0601MB572640B5DCC87811D42FFBA5FD229@KL1PR0601MB5726.apcprd06.prod.outlook.com>
 <CADFycPao9R=i=SpQyP7FXf6+RE5XbrP7EUDOxMztZiU+RveTaA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAN4Q-EqC0hH1iqAaAuw8iUffuCs47DSjAV4Mjx-12=1GJMJRHA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN4Q-Er1iypLuAMSU0SCgVLJddbe4gZ0C2SxRPQbOyyhkKOQ2Q@mail.gmail.com>

I should also add that sometimes, the version of the document I am
working from is not the "client-friendly" version. I often use
redlining software to create alternate redlines that are easier for me
to work with. In these cases, sharing my own screen is not practical.

On 10/17/22, Angie Matney <angie.matney at gmail.com> wrote:
> Rahul, this is my prior response:
>
> Hello Rahul,
>
> My preference is not to share my own screen. I have sometimes asked
> the client to share a screen. Then, either the client or I will read a
> bit of each item as we advance to make sure we are in sync. "i will
> also sometimes ask an associate or paralegal to screen share and "tee
> up" each item. I know it is not always possible to have another person
> on a call, but I find that when I can do this, it helps me concentrate
> more on the substance of the discussion. Of course, each situation is
> different. I think your approach would work also—it is just not how I
> have aproached this.
>
> Best,
>
> Angie
>
> On 10/16/22, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi.
>>
>> I seem to have inadvertnetly deleted the responses to my original post.
>> COuld Angie and the other person who responded please reiterate their
>> answers? I think Angie said that she does not prefer screen share, but I
>> forget the rest of her response.
>>
>> What would be the best course of action for me to lead a meeting where I
>> have to go over a document with a client, line by line, in a virtual
>> meeting? Thanks.
>>
>> Rahul
>>
>> On Wed, 12 Oct 2022 at 10:31, Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Good morning from India. I work at a boutique intellectual property and
>>> civil litigation firm called Ira Law as an attorney. I recently
>>> encountered
>>> the following difficulty. I was asked to take the lead on a meeting with
>>> a
>>> client. The subject matter of the discussion was a questionnaire by a
>>> government body to which we had submitted our responses on behalf of our
>>> client. We were going to do a page read- a line by line analysis of the
>>> document with the client, to ensure that we were ad idem on everything.
>>> One
>>> of my colleagues suggested projecting the document by using the screen
>>> share feature on her computer so that it would be on everyone’s screen.
>>> We
>>> were using Google meet. The meeting was virtual. I realize that, despite
>>> agreeing to this process, it was not an accessible approach for me. This
>>> was because I could not see what everyone else was seeing on the screen
>>> and
>>> hence could not be  in sync with what they were reading. So I only gave
>>> a
>>> broad outline of our comments to the questionnaire and then left it to
>>> my
>>> colleague to lead a line by line discussion.
>>>
>>> I am wondering how I can avoid this result in future. What would be an
>>> accessible way for me to take the lead on meetings of this nature?
>>> Should
>>> I
>>> offer to share the screen myself?  That would not be particularly easy,
>>> but
>>> I would at least be able to have control over what everyone is reading
>>> and
>>> can let the client know at the outset that because of my blindness there
>>> may be a slight lag in my ability to read with my screen reader what is
>>> in
>>> the document. I think this would be the best solution. Let me know if
>>> you
>>> have any other ideas. Thank you.
>>>
>>> Warmly,
>>> Rahul
>>>
>>> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> Rahul Bajaj
>> Attorney, Ira Law
>> Senior Associate Fellow, Vidhi Centre for Legal Policy
>> Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018), University of Oxford
>> Co-Founder, Mission Accessibility
>> Special Correspondent on the rights of persons with disabilities, Oxford
>> Human Rights Hub
>> Coordinator of the working group on accessibility, e-Committee, Supreme
>> Court of India
>> _______________________________________________
>> BlindLaw mailing list
>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> BlindLaw:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/angie.matney%40gmail.com
>>
>


From ThomasDukeman at outlook.com  Tue Oct 18 21:22:53 2022
From: ThomasDukeman at outlook.com (Thomas Dukeman)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2022 21:22:53 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Help understanding SCOTUS responses & Authority
Message-ID: <CO1PR06MB79166366E777D20F0A4DFA11AD289@CO1PR06MB7916.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Hello fellow legal beagles!

I know that SCOTUS only gets involved in legal questions concerning the Constitution, and they can overturn a State court’s decision if asked, and that they only do a certain number a year, what happens to the court cases they send back? Are those decisions still considered legally binding for a time until they get brought to SCOTUS for consideration again, or is it only allowed one attempt at being sent to them and if it gets rejected, that’s it until they change their minds?

Thanks in advance,
Tom

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From sai at fiatfiendum.org  Wed Oct 19 01:09:43 2022
From: sai at fiatfiendum.org (Sai)
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2022 02:09:43 +0100
Subject: [blindLaw] Help understanding SCOTUS responses & Authority
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> I know that SCOTUS only gets involved in legal questions concerning the
Constitution

Not true. They primarily take cases that involve a circuit split. It
needn't be a constitutional question.

There are also a small number of cases that don't go on cert, but on appeal
as of right or original jurisdiction — e.g. some habeas appeals & state vs
state lawsuits. Most of them are denied without precedent also, though.

> what happens to the court cases they send back? Are those decisions still
considered legally binding for a time

Denied cert has no effect whatever other than denying cert.

The lower court (probably federal circuit court of appeals) decision
stands, but it is not affirmed; it has no greater or lesser precedential
value than it did before the cert petition.

> is it only allowed one attempt at being sent to them and if it gets
rejected, that’s it until they change their minds?

That would be impossible. They can't change their minds without being
presented a case, and cert is how you ask them to take a case. So if this
were true, they would never have the opportunity to change their minds
about a legal issue.

However, denial of cert does mean that's it for that appeal. You cannot ask
them to reconsider cert.

(However however, a given case can go on multiple different appeals over
the years, and sometimes — rarely — a case has had multiple trips to SCOTUS
too. But that's just like having multiple appellate cases.)

You seem to be confusing cert petition in a given case vs decision of a
legal issue that might recur in another case later on.

Sincerely,
Sai
President, Fiat Fiendum, Inc., a 501(c)(3)

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errors.

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> Hello fellow legal beagles!
>
> I know that SCOTUS only gets involved in legal questions concerning the
> Constitution, and they can overturn a State court’s decision if asked, and
> that they only do a certain number a year, what happens to the court cases
> they send back? Are those decisions still considered legally binding for a
> time until they get brought to SCOTUS for consideration again, or is it
> only allowed one attempt at being sent to them and if it gets rejected,
> that’s it until they change their minds?
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From teresitarios22 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 19 18:32:47 2022
From: teresitarios22 at gmail.com (Teresita Rios)
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2022 14:32:47 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] Do any of you use an Overhead  book scanner?
Message-ID: <CF28CCFC-6F49-4715-BF5C-0EA011B1C915@gmail.com>

Hello frieds, 
I am writing a research paper and many large books are not digital. I have already given the accessibility office several to scan and they are taking a wile. I have other books where I only need one or two chapters. To speed up the process I was looking into overhead book scanners as an early Christmas present. 

The benefits are that I do not have to cut the book up, and 
they seem less cumbersome than using my phone to scan binded books. As I will not have to hold the phone and also hold the large books as flat as possible. 
The drawbacks are that I have to turn the pages wile it scans, and the price. 

 I was wondering if any of you have used any Overhead  book scanners like the: 
Fujitsu ScanSnap SV600 Overhead Book and Document Scanner
Link: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01FW17FGI?tag=georiot-us-default-20&th=1&ascsubtag=dcw-us-1276987266392841500-20&geniuslink=true <https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01FW17FGI?tag=georiot-us-default-20&th=1&ascsubtag=dcw-us-1276987266392841500-20&geniuslink=true>

Please  let me  know how you guys have approached the issue, if you guys have used an Overhead scanner, how was your experience, and which one you used. 

Warmly, 
Teresita Rios. 
J. D. Candidate, University of Notre Dame Law School  2023. 

From NSingh at cov.com  Wed Oct 19 18:51:41 2022
From: NSingh at cov.com (Singh, Nandini)
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2022 18:51:41 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Do any of you use an Overhead  book scanner?
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One other option is to ask your law library to assist with scanning. I did this frequently during school for both textbooks and research materials. Since you are asking for relatively short excerpts, I imagine that a staff member could handle in an hour or so depending on the equipment that the library has. Usually libraries have good and fast scanners since a request for scanned materials happens more than you think. I otherwise defer to others re: overhead scanner. I have never had the occasion to use one.

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[EXTERNAL]

Hello frieds,
I am writing a research paper and many large books are not digital. I have already given the accessibility office several to scan and they are taking a wile. I have other books where I only need one or two chapters. To speed up the process I was looking into overhead book scanners as an early Christmas present.

The benefits are that I do not have to cut the book up, and
they seem less cumbersome than using my phone to scan binded books. As I will not have to hold the phone and also hold the large books as flat as possible.
The drawbacks are that I have to turn the pages wile it scans, and the price.

 I was wondering if any of you have used any Overhead  book scanners like the:
Fujitsu ScanSnap SV600 Overhead Book and Document Scanner
Link: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01FW17FGI?tag=georiot-us-default-20&th=1&ascsubtag=dcw-us-1276987266392841500-20&geniuslink=true <https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01FW17FGI?tag=georiot-us-default-20&th=1&ascsubtag=dcw-us-1276987266392841500-20&geniuslink=true>

Please  let me  know how you guys have approached the issue, if you guys have used an Overhead scanner, how was your experience, and which one you used.

Warmly,
Teresita Rios.
J. D. Candidate, University of Notre Dame Law School  2023.
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From wmiller at bwspllc.com  Thu Oct 20 14:14:28 2022
From: wmiller at bwspllc.com (William Miller)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2022 14:14:28 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] STANDSCAN,
 RE: Do any of you use an Overhead book scanner? / RE: BlindLaw
 Digest, Vol 221, Issue 11
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  If you are going to use an overhead scanner then the Standscan is a much less expensive but effective solution than overhead scanning equipment. It is basically a 3-sided box with a small hole in the top. You place your smartphone on top of the ScanStand so that your camera lens is pointed down toward the bottom of the box. You   place your document inside the box and an OCR app on your phone can be used to scan it. There are raised, adhesive strips that can be permanently positioned on top of the StandScan that you place your phone inside of so that you don't have to struggle to get your phone in the proper position where the camera lens is placed directly over the hole. So it automatically positions your smartphone to capture the four corners of the document while also freeing up both of your hands. It is roughly 9" x 12", about 12" tall, and costs about $55. It is very light, portable, and can be easily disassembled and folded into the size of a legal notepad. . Assembling it is challenging the first few times you put it together, but it's easy once you get the hang of it. The ScanStand Pro includes built-in LED lighting. It is difficult to find for purchase online (I just tried), but here's a link to a similar product: https://www.scanjig.com/shop. Here's a link to another competitor: https://www.giraffe-reader.com/. Definitely worth a try before you buy an expensive piece of equipment! Good luck.

Best regards,

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Subject: [blindLaw] Do any of you use an Overhead  book scanner?
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Hello frieds,
I am writing a research paper and many large books are not digital. I have already given the accessibility office several to scan and they are taking a wile. I have other books where I only need one or two chapters. To speed up the process I was looking into overhead book scanners as an early Christmas present. 

The benefits are that I do not have to cut the book up, and they seem less cumbersome than using my phone to scan binded books. As I will not have to hold the phone and also hold the large books as flat as possible. 
The drawbacks are that I have to turn the pages wile it scans, and the price. 

 I was wondering if any of you have used any Overhead  book scanners like the: 
Fujitsu ScanSnap SV600 Overhead Book and Document Scanner
Link: https://link.edgepilot.com/s/079605b5/A6xaxMfgvEeptNAcOIQz9A?u=https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01FW17FGI?tag=georiot-us-default-20%26th=1%26ascsubtag=dcw-us-1276987266392841500-20%26geniuslink=true <https://link.edgepilot.com/s/079605b5/A6xaxMfgvEeptNAcOIQz9A?u=https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01FW17FGI?tag=georiot-us-default-20%26th=1%26ascsubtag=dcw-us-1276987266392841500-20%26geniuslink=true>

Please  let me  know how you guys have approached the issue, if you guys have used an Overhead scanner, how was your experience, and which one you used. 

Warmly,
Teresita Rios. 
J. D. Candidate, University of Notre Dame Law School  2023. 

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Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2022 18:51:41 +0000
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One other option is to ask your law library to assist with scanning. I did this frequently during school for both textbooks and research materials. Since you are asking for relatively short excerpts, I imagine that a staff member could handle in an hour or so depending on the equipment that the library has. Usually libraries have good and fast scanners since a request for scanned materials happens more than you think. I otherwise defer to others re: overhead scanner. I have never had the occasion to use one.

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Subject: [blindLaw] Do any of you use an Overhead book scanner?

[EXTERNAL]

Hello frieds,
I am writing a research paper and many large books are not digital. I have already given the accessibility office several to scan and they are taking a wile. I have other books where I only need one or two chapters. To speed up the process I was looking into overhead book scanners as an early Christmas present.

The benefits are that I do not have to cut the book up, and they seem less cumbersome than using my phone to scan binded books. As I will not have to hold the phone and also hold the large books as flat as possible.
The drawbacks are that I have to turn the pages wile it scans, and the price.

 I was wondering if any of you have used any Overhead  book scanners like the:
Fujitsu ScanSnap SV600 Overhead Book and Document Scanner
Link: https://link.edgepilot.com/s/079605b5/A6xaxMfgvEeptNAcOIQz9A?u=https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01FW17FGI?tag=georiot-us-default-20%26th=1%26ascsubtag=dcw-us-1276987266392841500-20%26geniuslink=true <https://link.edgepilot.com/s/079605b5/A6xaxMfgvEeptNAcOIQz9A?u=https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01FW17FGI?tag=georiot-us-default-20%26th=1%26ascsubtag=dcw-us-1276987266392841500-20%26geniuslink=true>

Please  let me  know how you guys have approached the issue, if you guys have used an Overhead scanner, how was your experience, and which one you used.

Warmly,
Teresita Rios.
J. D. Candidate, University of Notre Dame Law School  2023.
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From tim at timeldermusic.com  Fri Oct 21 02:45:22 2022
From: tim at timeldermusic.com (tim at timeldermusic.com)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2022 19:45:22 -0700
Subject: [blindLaw] Section 508 Enforcement Hearing
Message-ID: <027601d8e4f7$2c1442d0$843cc870$@timeldermusic.com>

Hear is the DC Circuit argument on whether Section 508 can be enforced in
U.S. federal courts.  It is an important issue for the accessibility of all
workplace technology.  It was a privilege to work with Karla Gilbride and
Albert Elia on this appeal.

https://youtu.be/Y_GQ1I9_Kj4?t=4

 

 

 

 


From ThomasDukeman at outlook.com  Fri Oct 21 03:54:27 2022
From: ThomasDukeman at outlook.com (Thomas Dukeman)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2022 03:54:27 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Help understanding SCOTUS responses & Authority
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What I meant by change their minds is that they first refuse a case on Cert then when given the same case later on down the line, then decided to hear it then, can they do it at that time they choose to, or do they need to wait some prescribed time between denial of appeal and resubmission before accepting to hear it the second time, because they only hear a certain number of cases per term but feel it is worth hearing and set it aside for a later undisclosed time?

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From: Sai via BlindLaw<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
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Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Help understanding SCOTUS responses & Authority

> I know that SCOTUS only gets involved in legal questions concerning the
Constitution

Not true. They primarily take cases that involve a circuit split. It
needn't be a constitutional question.

There are also a small number of cases that don't go on cert, but on appeal
as of right or original jurisdiction — e.g. some habeas appeals & state vs
state lawsuits. Most of them are denied without precedent also, though.

> what happens to the court cases they send back? Are those decisions still
considered legally binding for a time

Denied cert has no effect whatever other than denying cert.

The lower court (probably federal circuit court of appeals) decision
stands, but it is not affirmed; it has no greater or lesser precedential
value than it did before the cert petition.

> is it only allowed one attempt at being sent to them and if it gets
rejected, that’s it until they change their minds?

That would be impossible. They can't change their minds without being
presented a case, and cert is how you ask them to take a case. So if this
were true, they would never have the opportunity to change their minds
about a legal issue.

However, denial of cert does mean that's it for that appeal. You cannot ask
them to reconsider cert.

(However however, a given case can go on multiple different appeals over
the years, and sometimes — rarely — a case has had multiple trips to SCOTUS
too. But that's just like having multiple appellate cases.)

You seem to be confusing cert petition in a given case vs decision of a
legal issue that might recur in another case later on.

Sincerely,
Sai
President, Fiat Fiendum, Inc., a 501(c)(3)

Sent from my mobile phone; please excuse the concision and autocorrect
errors.

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wrote:

> Hello fellow legal beagles!
>
> I know that SCOTUS only gets involved in legal questions concerning the
> Constitution, and they can overturn a State court’s decision if asked, and
> that they only do a certain number a year, what happens to the court cases
> they send back? Are those decisions still considered legally binding for a
> time until they get brought to SCOTUS for consideration again, or is it
> only allowed one attempt at being sent to them and if it gets rejected,
> that’s it until they change their minds?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Tom
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From rothmanjd at gmail.com  Fri Oct 21 04:52:37 2022
From: rothmanjd at gmail.com (rothmanjd at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2022 00:52:37 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] Section 508 Enforcement Hearing
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Karla, Tim, Al, and company did an outstanding job on this.  It was a
privilllege to be able to be at the argument, and their arguments were
well-reasoned, on-point, and quite persuasive.  Please go do listen to the
hearing - you won't regret it!


Ronza Othman, President
National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
443-426-4110
Pronouns: she, her, hers

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Subject: [blindLaw] Section 508 Enforcement Hearing

Hear is the DC Circuit argument on whether Section 508 can be enforced in
U.S. federal courts.  It is an important issue for the accessibility of all
workplace technology.  It was a privilege to work with Karla Gilbride and
Albert Elia on this appeal.

https://youtu.be/Y_GQ1I9_Kj4?t=4

 

 

 

 

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From rodalcidonis at gmail.com  Fri Oct 21 08:08:55 2022
From: rodalcidonis at gmail.com (rodalcidonis at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2022 04:08:55 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] Section 508 Enforcement Hearing
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I agree. Great job by all involved.



Rod,


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Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Section 508 Enforcement Hearing

Karla, Tim, Al, and company did an outstanding job on this.  It was a
privilllege to be able to be at the argument, and their arguments were
well-reasoned, on-point, and quite persuasive.  Please go do listen to the
hearing - you won't regret it!


Ronza Othman, President
National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
443-426-4110
Pronouns: she, her, hers

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To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
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Subject: [blindLaw] Section 508 Enforcement Hearing

Hear is the DC Circuit argument on whether Section 508 can be enforced in
U.S. federal courts.  It is an important issue for the accessibility of all
workplace technology.  It was a privilege to work with Karla Gilbride and
Albert Elia on this appeal.

https://youtu.be/Y_GQ1I9_Kj4?t=4

 

 

 

 

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From jeffjayjohnston at gmail.com  Fri Oct 21 21:35:13 2022
From: jeffjayjohnston at gmail.com (JJ Johnston)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2022 14:35:13 -0700
Subject: [blindLaw] STANDSCAN,
 RE: Do any of you use an Overhead book scanner? / RE: BlindLaw
 Digest, Vol 221, Issue 11
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The scanning stand I much prefer is Fopydo.  It too folds up about the size
of a notepad.  Assembly/disassembly takes maybe 2-3 seconds.  I like that it
has no sides so no additional light source is needed.  If ambient light is
insufficient, just turn on your phone's flashlight.  I bought mine before
tablets were a thing; it's possible that the manufacturer has since made a
beefier version to support iPads.

Jay Johnston


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scanner? / RE: BlindLaw Digest, Vol 221, Issue 11

  If you are going to use an overhead scanner then the Standscan is a much
less expensive but effective solution than overhead scanning equipment. It
is basically a 3-sided box with a small hole in the top. You place your
smartphone on top of the ScanStand so that your camera lens is pointed down
toward the bottom of the box. You   place your document inside the box and
an OCR app on your phone can be used to scan it. There are raised, adhesive
strips that can be permanently positioned on top of the StandScan that you
place your phone inside of so that you don't have to struggle to get your
phone in the proper position where the camera lens is placed directly over
the hole. So it automatically positions your smartphone to capture the four
corners of the document while also freeing up both of your hands. It is
roughly 9" x 12", about 12" tall, and costs about $55. It is very light,
portable, and can be easily disassembled and folded into the size of a legal
notepad. . Assembling it is challenging the first few times you put it
together, but it's easy once you get the hang of it. The ScanStand Pro
includes built-in LED lighting. It is difficult to find for purchase online
(I just tried), but here's a link to a similar product:
https://www.scanjig.com/shop. Here's a link to another competitor:
https://www.giraffe-reader.com/. Definitely worth a try before you buy an
expensive piece of equipment! Good luck.

Best regards,

William T. Miller
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Subject: [blindLaw] Do any of you use an Overhead  book scanner?
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Hello frieds,
I am writing a research paper and many large books are not digital. I have
already given the accessibility office several to scan and they are taking a
wile. I have other books where I only need one or two chapters. To speed up
the process I was looking into overhead book scanners as an early Christmas
present. 

The benefits are that I do not have to cut the book up, and they seem less
cumbersome than using my phone to scan binded books. As I will not have to
hold the phone and also hold the large books as flat as possible. 
The drawbacks are that I have to turn the pages wile it scans, and the
price. 

 I was wondering if any of you have used any Overhead  book scanners like
the: 
Fujitsu ScanSnap SV600 Overhead Book and Document Scanner
Link:
https://link.edgepilot.com/s/079605b5/A6xaxMfgvEeptNAcOIQz9A?u=https://www.a
mazon.com/dp/B01FW17FGI?tag=georiot-us-default-20%26th=1%26ascsubtag=dcw-us-
1276987266392841500-20%26geniuslink=true
<https://link.edgepilot.com/s/079605b5/A6xaxMfgvEeptNAcOIQz9A?u=https://www.
amazon.com/dp/B01FW17FGI?tag=georiot-us-default-20%26th=1%26ascsubtag=dcw-us
-1276987266392841500-20%26geniuslink=true>

Please  let me  know how you guys have approached the issue, if you guys
have used an Overhead scanner, how was your experience, and which one you
used. 

Warmly,
Teresita Rios. 
J. D. Candidate, University of Notre Dame Law School  2023. 

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Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2022 18:51:41 +0000
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Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Do any of you use an Overhead  book scanner?
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One other option is to ask your law library to assist with scanning. I did
this frequently during school for both textbooks and research materials.
Since you are asking for relatively short excerpts, I imagine that a staff
member could handle in an hour or so depending on the equipment that the
library has. Usually libraries have good and fast scanners since a request
for scanned materials happens more than you think. I otherwise defer to
others re: overhead scanner. I have never had the occasion to use one.

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Subject: [blindLaw] Do any of you use an Overhead book scanner?

[EXTERNAL]

Hello frieds,
I am writing a research paper and many large books are not digital. I have
already given the accessibility office several to scan and they are taking a
wile. I have other books where I only need one or two chapters. To speed up
the process I was looking into overhead book scanners as an early Christmas
present.

The benefits are that I do not have to cut the book up, and they seem less
cumbersome than using my phone to scan binded books. As I will not have to
hold the phone and also hold the large books as flat as possible.
The drawbacks are that I have to turn the pages wile it scans, and the
price.

 I was wondering if any of you have used any Overhead  book scanners like
the:
Fujitsu ScanSnap SV600 Overhead Book and Document Scanner
Link:
https://link.edgepilot.com/s/079605b5/A6xaxMfgvEeptNAcOIQz9A?u=https://www.a
mazon.com/dp/B01FW17FGI?tag=georiot-us-default-20%26th=1%26ascsubtag=dcw-us-
1276987266392841500-20%26geniuslink=true
<https://link.edgepilot.com/s/079605b5/A6xaxMfgvEeptNAcOIQz9A?u=https://www.
amazon.com/dp/B01FW17FGI?tag=georiot-us-default-20%26th=1%26ascsubtag=dcw-us
-1276987266392841500-20%26geniuslink=true>

Please  let me  know how you guys have approached the issue, if you guys
have used an Overhead scanner, how was your experience, and which one you
used.

Warmly,
Teresita Rios.
J. D. Candidate, University of Notre Dame Law School  2023.
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From sai at fiatfiendum.org  Sat Oct 22 10:37:35 2022
From: sai at fiatfiendum.org (Sai)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2022 11:37:35 +0100
Subject: [blindLaw] Help understanding SCOTUS responses & Authority
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That doesn't happen; like I said, there's no such thing as a
reconsideration of denial of cert. They do not give a fuck if they deny
cert in a case that maybe they would've wanted to take, because they don't
care about the individual case in the first place, only about the legal
issues. And legal issues will come up again in some other case presented
eventually.

If anything, the opposite happens: sometimes (rarely) they grant cert but
then — after briefing and possibly even after oral argument — retract it
("denied as improvidently granted"). That lets them consider a case but
then not rule on it either way, just as if they'd never granted cert.

If they're unsure whether or not they want to grant cert, they just sit on
it for months. They have no deadline at all. Neither do any other federal
courts. There is no "lazy judge" rule.

For permissive appeals, they can also take however many or however few
cases they want to. Same is true for all the federal appellate courts.
Unless there's a legal right to appeal — in which case there's no request
for permission to appeal (like cert) in the first place — the court can say
yes or no however it wants.


You seem to be under the impression that SCOTUS is bound by rules. It isn't.

It is at the top of the hierarchy, so for the most part it only has to obey
Article 3 of the Constitution, and it interprets that for itself without
anyone else having review of its interpretation. There are also a (very
very) few laws that mandate how SCOTUS operates.

Mostly, it makes its own rules however it pleases, and the actual rules
they make mostly only apply to other people. They just do what they want.


I strongly recommend you go read the entirety of the SCOTUS rules (which,
remember, they set themselves): https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/supct

It's not that long, and well worth the read given your curiosity.


I suggest you also read the Federal Rules of Appellate Procedure:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frap

Those are set by the Administrative Office of the United States Courts,
with approval by the Supreme Court, under the Rules Enabling Act:
https://www.uscourts.gov/rules-policies/about-rulemaking-process

If you find rules that you think should be changed, other than SCOTUS'
(which they don't have jurisdiction over), you're confident you understand
what they currently are, and you can make a good argument for why and how
to change them, do so — just email <RulesCommittee_Secretary at ao.uscourts.gov>
with your write-up (preferably in a nicely formatted PDF).

AOUSC is extremely conservative (in the judicial sense), but some
suggestions do get approved.


I've actually submitted multiple proposals to AOUSC myself. One tiny one
got approved a few years ago (removing the SSN question from the appellate
IFP form). Two others (one about pro se use of CM/ECF, the other about
radically limiting and standardizing the civil, bankruptcy, & appellate IFP
forms & rules) currently have dedicated subcommittees assigned to them
taking them seriously (albeit very slowly and not as strongly as I think is
proper, it's extremely unusual for them to assign a dedicated subcommittee
at all). I have others in draft that I've not submitted yet.

You can read my suggestions, and others', at
https://www.uscourts.gov/rules-policies/records-rules-committees/rules-suggestions

Here's the summary of mine (several are given multiple IDs):

15-AP-E, 15-BK-I, 15-CV-EE, 15-CR-D re pro se & IFP — part approved, part
denied, part still pending
https://www.uscourts.gov/rules-policies/archives/suggestions/sai-15-ap-e
15-CV-GG re forms post Iqbal/Twombly, denied
https://www.uscourts.gov/rules-policies/archives/suggestions/sai-15-cv-gg
19-AP-C, 19-CR-A, 19-CV-Q re IFP rules, still pending
https://www.uscourts.gov/rules-policies/archives/suggestions/sai-19-ap-c
19-AP-D, 19-BK-G, 19-CR-B, 19-CV-R re calculation of filing deadlines,
denied
https://www.uscourts.gov/rules-policies/archives/suggestions/sai-19-ap-d
19-AP-G, 19-CV-FF re naming official capacity parties, denied
https://www.uscourts.gov/rules-policies/archives/suggestions/sai-19-ap-g
20-AP-B, 20-CV-G re dismissal of meritless cases & sanctions, denied
https://www.uscourts.gov/rules-policies/archives/suggestions/sai-20-ap-b
20-AP-D, follow-up re IFP rules, still pending
https://www.uscourts.gov/rules-policies/archives/suggestions/sai-20-ap-d
20-AP-E, 20-CV-Y re "relation forward" rules, still pending
https://www.uscourts.gov/rules-policies/archives/suggestions/sai-20-ap-e
21-AP-B follow-up re IFP forms
https://www.uscourts.gov/rules-policies/archives/suggestions/sai-21-ap-b
21-BK-H re electronic signatures, denied
https://www.uscourts.gov/rules-policies/archives/suggestions/sai-21-bk-h
21-CV-I re service on government parties & cleaning up FRCP 4(I), still
pending
https://www.uscourts.gov/rules-policies/archives/suggestions/sai-21-cv-i
21-AP-E, 21-BK-I, 21-CR-E, 21-CV-J re pro se electronic filing, still
pending
https://www.uscourts.gov/rules-policies/archives/suggestions/sai-21-ap-e
21-CV-K re AAJ's proposal re "snap removals", denied
https://www.uscourts.gov/rules-policies/archives/suggestions/sai-21-cv-k







Sincerely,
Sai
President, Fiat Fiendum, Inc., a 501(c)(3)

Sent from my mobile phone; please excuse the concision and autocorrect
errors.

On Fri, 21 Oct 2022, 04:55 Thomas Dukeman via BlindLaw, <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> What I meant by change their minds is that they first refuse a case on
> Cert then when given the same case later on down the line, then decided to
> hear it then, can they do it at that time they choose to, or do they need
> to wait some prescribed time between denial of appeal and resubmission
> before accepting to hear it the second time, because they only hear a
> certain number of cases per term but feel it is worth hearing and set it
> aside for a later undisclosed time?
>
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>
> From: Sai via BlindLaw<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 9:15 PM
> To: Blind Law Mailing List<mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Sai<mailto:sai at fiatfiendum.org>
> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Help understanding SCOTUS responses & Authority
>
> > I know that SCOTUS only gets involved in legal questions concerning the
> Constitution
>
> Not true. They primarily take cases that involve a circuit split. It
> needn't be a constitutional question.
>
> There are also a small number of cases that don't go on cert, but on appeal
> as of right or original jurisdiction — e.g. some habeas appeals & state vs
> state lawsuits. Most of them are denied without precedent also, though.
>
> > what happens to the court cases they send back? Are those decisions still
> considered legally binding for a time
>
> Denied cert has no effect whatever other than denying cert.
>
> The lower court (probably federal circuit court of appeals) decision
> stands, but it is not affirmed; it has no greater or lesser precedential
> value than it did before the cert petition.
>
> > is it only allowed one attempt at being sent to them and if it gets
> rejected, that’s it until they change their minds?
>
> That would be impossible. They can't change their minds without being
> presented a case, and cert is how you ask them to take a case. So if this
> were true, they would never have the opportunity to change their minds
> about a legal issue.
>
> However, denial of cert does mean that's it for that appeal. You cannot ask
> them to reconsider cert.
>
> (However however, a given case can go on multiple different appeals over
> the years, and sometimes — rarely — a case has had multiple trips to SCOTUS
> too. But that's just like having multiple appellate cases.)
>
> You seem to be confusing cert petition in a given case vs decision of a
> legal issue that might recur in another case later on.
>
> Sincerely,
> Sai
> President, Fiat Fiendum, Inc., a 501(c)(3)
>
> Sent from my mobile phone; please excuse the concision and autocorrect
> errors.
>
> On Tue, 18 Oct 2022, 22:24 Thomas Dukeman via BlindLaw, <
> blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Hello fellow legal beagles!
> >
> > I know that SCOTUS only gets involved in legal questions concerning the
> > Constitution, and they can overturn a State court’s decision if asked,
> and
> > that they only do a certain number a year, what happens to the court
> cases
> > they send back? Are those decisions still considered legally binding for
> a
> > time until they get brought to SCOTUS for consideration again, or is it
> > only allowed one attempt at being sent to them and if it gets rejected,
> > that’s it until they change their minds?
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Tom
> >
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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Mon Oct 24 20:43:26 2022
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2022 20:43:26 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] =?windows-1252?q?Blind_to_Problems=3A_How_VA=92s_Elec?=
 =?windows-1252?q?tronic_Record_System_Shuts_Out_Visually_Impaired_Patient?=
 =?windows-1252?q?s_-_Government_Executive_-_OCTOBER_21=2C_2022?=
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The below article about 508 noncompliance may be of interest…
https://www.govexec.com/technology/2022/10/blind-problems-how-vas-electronic-record-system-shuts-out-visually-impaired-patients/378733/
Blind to Problems: How VA’s Electronic Record System Shuts Out Visually Impaired Patients
By Darius Tahir
Government Executive
OCTOBER 21, 2022

Veterans Affairs’ electronic health records aren’t friendly to blind- and low-vision users, whether they’re patients or employees. It’s a microcosm of America’s health care system.
Sarah Sheffield, a nurse practitioner at a Veterans Affairs clinic in Eugene, Oregon, had a problem. Her patients — mostly in their 70s and beyond — couldn’t read computer screens. It’s not an unusual problem for older people, which is why you might think Oracle Cerner, the developers of the agency’s new digital health record system, would have anticipated it.
But they didn’t.
Federal law requires government resources to be accessible to patients with disabilities. But patients can’t easily enlarge the text. “They all learned to get strong reading glasses and magnifying glasses,” said Sheffield, who retired in early October.
The difficulties are everyday reminders of a dire reality for patients in the VA system. More than a million patients are blind or have low vision. They rely on software to access prescriptions or send messages to their doctors. But often the technology fails them. Either the screens don’t allow users to zoom in on the text, or screen-reader software that translates text to speech isn’t compatible.
“None of the systems are accessible” to these patients, said Donald Overton, executive director of the Blinded Veterans Association.
Patients often struggle even to log into websites or enter basic information needed to check in for hospital visits, Overton said: “We find our community stops trying, checks out, and disengages. They become dependent on other individuals; they give up independence.”
Now, the developing VA medical record system, already bloated by outsize costs, has been delayed until June 2023. So far, the project has threatened to exacerbate those issues.
While users in general have been affected by numerous incidents of downtime, delayed care, and missing information, barriers to access are particularly acute for blind and low-vision users — whether patients or workers within the health system. At least one Oregon-based employee has been offered aid — a helper assigned to read and click buttons — to navigate the system.
Over 1,000 Section 508 complaints are in a backlog to be assessed, or assigned to Oracle Cerner to fix, Veterans Affairs spokesperson Terrence Hayes confirmed. That section is part of federal law guaranteeing people with disabilities access to government technology.
Hayes said the problems described by these complaints don’t prevent employees and patients with disabilities from using the system. The complaints — 469 of which have been assigned to Oracle Cerner to fix, he said — mean that users’ disabilities make it more difficult, to the point of requiring mitigation.
The project is under new management with big promises. North Kansas City, Missouri-based developer Cerner, which originally landed the VA contract, was recently taken over by database technology giant Oracle, which plans to overhaul the software, company executive Mike Sicilia said during a September Senate hearing. “We intend to rewrite” the system, he said. “We have found nothing that can’t be addressed in relatively short order.”
But that will happen under continued scrutiny. Rep. Mark Takano (D-Calif.), chair of the House Veterans Affairs Committee, said his panel would continue to oversee the department’s compliance with accessibility standards. “Whether they work for VA or receive health care and benefits, the needs of veterans must be addressed by companies that want to work with the VA,” he said.
Takano, along with fellow Democrats Sens. Bob Casey of Pennsylvania and Jon Tester of Montana, sent a letter Oct. 7 to VA Secretary Denis McDonough noting the significant gaps in the agency’s systems, and urging VA to engage with all disabled veterans, not merely those who are blind.
VA was alerted early and often that Cerner’s software posed problems for blind- and low-vision users, interviews and a review of records show. As early as 2015, when the Department of Defense and VA were exploring purchasing new systems, the National Federation of the Blind submitted letters to both departments, and Cerner, expressing concerns that the product would be unusable for clinicians and patients.
Alerts also came from inside VA. “We pointed out to Cerner that their system was really dependent on vision and that it was a major problem. The icons are really, really small,” said Dr. Art Wallace, a VA anesthesiologist who participated in one of the agency’s user groups to provide input for the eventual design of the system.
The Cerner system, he told the agency and KHN, is user-unfriendly. On the clinician side, it requires multiple high-resolution monitors to display a patient’s entire record, and VA facilities don’t always enjoy that wealth of equipment. “It would be very hard for visually impaired people, or normal people wearing bifocals, to use,” he concluded.
Before the software was rolled out, the system also failed a test with an employee working with a team at Oregon’s White City VA Medical Center devoted to helping blind patients develop skills and independence, said Carolyn Schwab, president of the American Federation of Government Employees Local 1042.
In the testing, the system didn’t work with adaptive equipment, like text-to-speech software, she said. Despite receiving these complaints about the system, VA and Cerner “implemented it anyway.” Recently, when a regional AFGE president asked VA why they used the software — despite the federal mandates — he received no response, Schwab said.
Some within the company also thought there would be struggles. Two former Cerner employees said the standard medical record system was getting long in the tooth when VA signed an agreement to purchase and customize the product.
Because it was built on old code, the software was difficult to patch when problems were discovered, the employees said. What’s more, according to the employees, Cerner took a doggedly incremental approach to fixing errors. If someone complained about a malfunctioning button on a page filled with other potholes, the company would fix just that button — not the whole page, the employees said.
VA spokesperson Hayes denied the claims, saying the developer and department try to address problems holistically. Cerner did not respond to multiple requests for comment.
Accessibility errors are as present in private sector medical record systems as public. Cerner patched up a bug with the Safari web browser’s rendering of its patient portal when the Massachusetts Institute of Technology’s student clinic threatened legal action, the former employees said. (“MIT Medical does not, as a general practice, discuss individual vendor contracts or services,” said spokesperson David Tytell.)
Legal threats — with hospital systems and medical record systems routinely facing lawsuits — are the most obvious symptom of a lack of accessibility within the U.S. health care system.
Deep inaccessibility plagues the burgeoning telehealth sector. A recent survey from the American Federation for the Blind found that 57% of respondents struggled to use providers’ proprietary telehealth platforms. Some resorted to FaceTime. Many said they were unable to log in or couldn’t read information transmitted through chat sidebars.
Existing federal regulations could, in theory, be used to enforce higher standards of accessibility in health technology. The Department of Health and Human Services Office for Civil Rights issued guidance during the pandemic on making telehealth technologies easier to use for patients with disabilities. And other agencies could start leaning on hospitals, because they are recipients of government dollars or federal vendors, to make sure their offerings work for such patients.
That might not happen. These regulations could prove toothless, advocates warn. While there are several laws on the books, the advocates argue that enforcement and tougher regulations have not been forthcoming. “The concern from stakeholders is: Are you going to slow-walk this again?” said Joe Nahra, director of government relations at Powers Law, a Washington, D.C., law firm.
Building in accessibility has historically benefited all users. Voice assistance technology was originally developed to help blind- and low-vision users before winning widespread popularity with gadgets like Siri and Alexa.
Disability advocates believe vendors often push technology ahead without properly considering the impact on the people who will rely on it. “In the rush to be the first one, they put accessibility on the back burner,” said Eve Hill, a disability rights attorney with Brown, Goldstein & Levy, a civil rights law firm.
KHN (Kaiser Health News) is a national newsroom that produces in-depth journalism about health issues. Together with Policy Analysis and Polling, KHN is one of the three major operating programs at KFF (Kaiser Family Foundation). KFF is an endowed nonprofit organization providing information on health issues to the nation.



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An equitable workplace is one that provides each employee with access to the support, resources, treatment, and opportunities that they individually need to succeed in the workplace. Our panel of disabled lawyers will provide a brief overview of what equity means in the legal workplace. They will then share some of the inequities they have encountered because of their disabilities and suggest some ways that these systemic barriers can be addressed.



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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Fri Oct 28 21:15:16 2022
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2022 21:15:16 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Washington Department of Health position opening:
 hearing examiner
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From: Thieme, Andrea I (DOH) <Andrea.Thieme at doh.wa.gov>
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2022 1:10 PM
Subject: WA Department of Health position opening:

Hello,

Please consider sharing this open position within the Washington State Medical Commission. It is an interesting role that will serve the mission of WMC to protect the health and safety of the people in Washington by delivering quality legal services.  Below is a link to the full job posting and a small piece of information about the work.


Position: Hearings Examiner 3 (HE3) DOH6921<https://www.governmentjobs.com/careers/washington/doh/jobs/3781239/hearings-examiner-3-he3-doh6921>

Division:    Washington Medical Commission

Location:    Tumwater, WA

Opens:       October 27, 2022

Closes:       November 17, 2022

Salary:        $6105– $8013 Monthly



This is a full-time, permanent Hearings Examiner 3 (HE3) position, located within the Washington State Medical Commission.



This role – commonly referred to as a staff attorney – analyzes facts and law, recommending appropriate action or combination of actions for the Commission to take, conducts legal research requiring knowledge of current state and federal legislation, case law, and administrative decisions, and drafts legal documents, pleadings, correspondence, memoranda, and briefs.  This position works with Commission members to negotiate settlements of disciplinary issues and assists the Commission with general legal issues or special projects.


The incumbent may be located anywhere within the State of Washington. Telework (mobile work) is currently expected. When approved, the incumbent will work with their supervisor to identify an appropriate work schedule and balance including telework and reporting to the Tumwater, WA duty station for work activities as needed.
Once the initial orientation for the position has been completed which could be approximately 2 months depending on incumbent need. It is anticipated that the incumbent would be expected to report to the Tumwater duty station for work activities for 2 days a week, approximately every six weeks for Commission meetings.

If you have further questions, please contact me directly and I will do my best to assist you.
Thank you for your time.

Andrea Thieme
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From laurenbishop96 at icloud.com  Mon Oct 31 00:51:41 2022
From: laurenbishop96 at icloud.com (Lauren Bishop)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2022 20:51:41 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] Accommodations for bar exam
Message-ID: <76013167-E6F9-4CCE-835B-9B247D65937D@icloud.com>

Good evening All,
Have any of you had success with advocating for an accessible electronic version of your bar exam, and the ability to use jaws? I was looking at the Florida accommodations petition, and I noticed that the only formats that they listed or braille, large, print, or audio CD. The petition doesn’t say anything about the use of a screen reader, and, although I am proficient in braille, I need to be able to type my essays because I’ve never worked with a scribe before. Also, I use jaws more than I use braille, and in past standardized, test administrations, I have use the screen reader to take the test.   I’m also noticing that none of the petition documents are fillable I a person using a screen reader.  
If any of you have information regarding this, I would really appreciate it.
Lauren. 

Sent from my iPhone

From sanho817 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 31 02:01:14 2022
From: sanho817 at gmail.com (Sanho Steele-Louchart)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2022 21:01:14 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Accommodations for bar exam
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Lauren:

In my case, the accommodations request form wasn't even available on
their website. I dashed off an email to my board of bar examiners with
a list of what I needed and the fact that I'm blind. They wrote back
to ask if I'd test an electronic practice exam from the NCBE. They
delivered the practice exam. It worked perfectly. I showed up on the
first day of testing an hour early just in case, set up my computer
and headphones, and a sighted proctor sat with me all day to make sure
I didn't cheat. It could not have gone smoother. I can't say enough
good things about the accommodations request process for my state. It
was the first time in my life as a blind person that I was treated as
an equal in that process, and it allowed me to focus exclusively on
adequate preparation.

You might try the same. Fingers crossed!

Sanho

On 10/30/22, Lauren Bishop via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Good evening All,
> Have any of you had success with advocating for an accessible electronic
> version of your bar exam, and the ability to use jaws? I was looking at the
> Florida accommodations petition, and I noticed that the only formats that
> they listed or braille, large, print, or audio CD. The petition doesn’t say
> anything about the use of a screen reader, and, although I am proficient in
> braille, I need to be able to type my essays because I’ve never worked with
> a scribe before. Also, I use jaws more than I use braille, and in past
> standardized, test administrations, I have use the screen reader to take the
> test.   I’m also noticing that none of the petition documents are fillable I
> a person using a screen reader.
> If any of you have information regarding this, I would really appreciate it.
> Lauren.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From jtfetter at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 31 03:45:53 2022
From: jtfetter at yahoo.com (James Fetter)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2022 23:45:53 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] Accommodations for bar exam
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Lauren,
I would suggest doing the following ASAP:
1. Gather all, and I do mean all, proof of accommodations you received on prior standardized tests, in college and law school, and whatever else they ask for.
2. Find someone you trust to help fill out inaccessible forms. Is this remotely fair or ADA compliant? No. Do boards of law examiners care? Also no.
3. Include in your application a letter detailing your requested accommodations and justifying each with reference to accommodations you received in the past.
4. Read, very carefully, any correspondence from your state board. And push back hard, if they don’t give you what you need to do your best. You absolutely should get an accessible electronic exam/Jaws and the ability to write essays on your computer, but your MBE answers will likely be recorded by a scribe. This is pretty standard.
Good luck! I went through the accommodations process in two different states. I still have PTSD from the Kafkaesque process in one of these states. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 30, 2022, at 8:53 PM, Lauren Bishop via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Good evening All,
> Have any of you had success with advocating for an accessible electronic version of your bar exam, and the ability to use jaws? I was looking at the Florida accommodations petition, and I noticed that the only formats that they listed or braille, large, print, or audio CD. The petition doesn’t say anything about the use of a screen reader, and, although I am proficient in braille, I need to be able to type my essays because I’ve never worked with a scribe before. Also, I use jaws more than I use braille, and in past standardized, test administrations, I have use the screen reader to take the test.   I’m also noticing that none of the petition documents are fillable I a person using a screen reader.  
> If any of you have information regarding this, I would really appreciate it.
> Lauren. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From NSingh at cov.com  Mon Oct 31 13:32:13 2022
From: NSingh at cov.com (Singh, Nandini)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2022 13:32:13 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Accommodations for bar exam
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 <C7D29EC1-BD01-4C84-8852-01EFCDEF9411@yahoo.com>
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Lauren,

I second James' documentation recommendations. Demonstrating a history of using what is for you a standard set of accommodations usually goes a long way (excluding the LSAC) in convincing the powers that be to approve accommodation requests. At this point, I am not quite remembering my process when I was working on getting accommodations for NY. I imagine some forms were involved, with a place to submit extra documentation. I also remained in close email contact with whoever was the testing accommodations coordinator. That individual was fantastic and really helped things go smoothly: my accommodations were approved, and aside for a completely random family emergency the day before, the exam days went well. I had an electronic exam, probably Word or HTML. I could use JAWS on my own laptop. I also used a Braille note taker to write out essays that I uploaded to a Word document via a card reader and memory card. I believe that the oddest item was having to announce my answers to my proctor/scribe, but it was not a big deal, as I had to do this for the MPRE. The proctor, as Sanho similarly described, got up from her chair from time to time to check that I was not doing anything untoward. Most of the time, she read a novel or worked on a crossword to pass the many hours in the exam room.

Regards,
Nikki

-----Original Message-----
From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of James Fetter via BlindLaw
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2022 11:46 PM
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Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Accommodations for bar exam

[EXTERNAL]

Lauren,
I would suggest doing the following ASAP:
1. Gather all, and I do mean all, proof of accommodations you received on prior standardized tests, in college and law school, and whatever else they ask for.
2. Find someone you trust to help fill out inaccessible forms. Is this remotely fair or ADA compliant? No. Do boards of law examiners care? Also no.
3. Include in your application a letter detailing your requested accommodations and justifying each with reference to accommodations you received in the past.
4. Read, very carefully, any correspondence from your state board. And push back hard, if they don’t give you what you need to do your best. You absolutely should get an accessible electronic exam/Jaws and the ability to write essays on your computer, but your MBE answers will likely be recorded by a scribe. This is pretty standard.
Good luck! I went through the accommodations process in two different states. I still have PTSD from the Kafkaesque process in one of these states.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 30, 2022, at 8:53 PM, Lauren Bishop via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Good evening All,
> Have any of you had success with advocating for an accessible electronic version of your bar exam, and the ability to use jaws? I was looking at the Florida accommodations petition, and I noticed that the only formats that they listed or braille, large, print, or audio CD. The petition doesn’t say anything about the use of a screen reader, and, although I am proficient in braille, I need to be able to type my essays because I’ve never worked with a scribe before. Also, I use jaws more than I use braille, and in past standardized, test administrations, I have use the screen reader to take the test.   I’m also noticing that none of the petition documents are fillable I a person using a screen reader.
> If any of you have information regarding this, I would really appreciate it.
> Lauren.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Mon Oct 31 14:03:12 2022
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2022 14:03:12 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Equal Employment Opportunity (EEO) Investigators-- King
 County Washington
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From sanho817 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 31 14:08:46 2022
From: sanho817 at gmail.com (Sanho Steele-Louchart)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2022 09:08:46 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Accommodations for bar exam
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References: <76013167-E6F9-4CCE-835B-9B247D65937D@icloud.com>
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Ugh. Disappointing, but not surprising, to hear that James had the
polar opposite experience than I did. I wonder if the board of bar
examiners pulled my accommodation documentation directly from my
school. I suspect I signed a release of information somewhere along
the way. In response to Nikki's scantron issue, I just typed my
answers in a Word document that was saved onto a USB and filled out
for me after the exam was finished. The essay answers were saved and
submitted just as though they'd been hand-written.

Warmth,
Sanho

On 10/31/22, Singh, Nandini via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Lauren,
>
> I second James' documentation recommendations. Demonstrating a history of
> using what is for you a standard set of accommodations usually goes a long
> way (excluding the LSAC) in convincing the powers that be to approve
> accommodation requests. At this point, I am not quite remembering my process
> when I was working on getting accommodations for NY. I imagine some forms
> were involved, with a place to submit extra documentation. I also remained
> in close email contact with whoever was the testing accommodations
> coordinator. That individual was fantastic and really helped things go
> smoothly: my accommodations were approved, and aside for a completely random
> family emergency the day before, the exam days went well. I had an
> electronic exam, probably Word or HTML. I could use JAWS on my own laptop. I
> also used a Braille note taker to write out essays that I uploaded to a Word
> document via a card reader and memory card. I believe that the oddest item
> was having to announce my answers to my proctor/scribe, but it was not a big
> deal, as I had to do this for the MPRE. The proctor, as Sanho similarly
> described, got up from her chair from time to time to check that I was not
> doing anything untoward. Most of the time, she read a novel or worked on a
> crossword to pass the many hours in the exam room.
>
> Regards,
> Nikki
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of James Fetter via
> BlindLaw
> Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2022 11:46 PM
> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: James Fetter <jtfetter at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Accommodations for bar exam
>
> [EXTERNAL]
>
> Lauren,
> I would suggest doing the following ASAP:
> 1. Gather all, and I do mean all, proof of accommodations you received on
> prior standardized tests, in college and law school, and whatever else they
> ask for.
> 2. Find someone you trust to help fill out inaccessible forms. Is this
> remotely fair or ADA compliant? No. Do boards of law examiners care? Also
> no.
> 3. Include in your application a letter detailing your requested
> accommodations and justifying each with reference to accommodations you
> received in the past.
> 4. Read, very carefully, any correspondence from your state board. And push
> back hard, if they don’t give you what you need to do your best. You
> absolutely should get an accessible electronic exam/Jaws and the ability to
> write essays on your computer, but your MBE answers will likely be recorded
> by a scribe. This is pretty standard.
> Good luck! I went through the accommodations process in two different
> states. I still have PTSD from the Kafkaesque process in one of these
> states.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 30, 2022, at 8:53 PM, Lauren Bishop via BlindLaw
>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Good evening All,
>> Have any of you had success with advocating for an accessible electronic
>> version of your bar exam, and the ability to use jaws? I was looking at
>> the Florida accommodations petition, and I noticed that the only formats
>> that they listed or braille, large, print, or audio CD. The petition
>> doesn’t say anything about the use of a screen reader, and, although I am
>> proficient in braille, I need to be able to type my essays because I’ve
>> never worked with a scribe before. Also, I use jaws more than I use
>> braille, and in past standardized, test administrations, I have use the
>> screen reader to take the test.   I’m also noticing that none of the
>> petition documents are fillable I a person using a screen reader.
>> If any of you have information regarding this, I would really appreciate
>> it.
>> Lauren.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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From seifs at umich.edu  Mon Oct 31 15:46:31 2022
From: seifs at umich.edu (Seif-Eldeen Saqallah)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2022 11:46:31 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] Accommodations for bar exam
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Hello, Lauren and all.

I remember this stressful process too.

Some jurisdictions are better than others. NY updated their forms (I
also told them which parts were not accessible) to allow for pdf
formfields and digital signatures. I think they removed the
notarization requirement and other things?

I submitted all that I could, including pre-colledge (school)
IEPs/accommodations, accommodations from law school, medical
documentation, etc.

Some requested extended time, an electronic test, JAWS, a
laptop/braillenote, a way to print/transfer data, spellcheck, etc.
For me, I had to read my multiple-choice answers alowd and then had
them confirmed back to me so they could be scantron-entered.

Attached is a sample accommodations letter (I had to reformat so I
could redact).

Let me know if I can help with anything.

Sincerely,
Seif



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From michael.mcglashon at comcast.net  Mon Oct 31 15:52:32 2022
From: michael.mcglashon at comcast.net (MIKE MCGLASHON)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2022 10:52:32 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Accommodations for bar exam
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Dear Ms. Lauren:

I would add one more thing to my application; (very important);
A "medical diagnosis" from a physician.  Make sure he includes his CV, and a very detailed history of your diagnosis.
Next, I would have the diagnosing physician specifically request the accommodations that you wish; according to the Bar Examiners, he is in the best position believe it or not to justify your requesting accommodations.  
Make sure you go over with your medical provider what accommodations you desire.

Also, if you really want to get in the ear of the committee for providing inaccessible forms to fill out,
I would have a "friend/judge" assist me in filling out these forms.
The reason for this is that if a judge comments on how inaccessible the forms are and that the only way you could get them filled out is with assistance, then the Bar Examiners can hardly ignore a judge completely.
If a judge brings it to their attention, the examiners are less likely to blatantly ignore it.

Please advise as you like.

Mike M.

Mike mcglashon
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-----Original Message-----
From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of James Fetter via BlindLaw
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2022 10:46 PM
To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Cc: James Fetter <jtfetter at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Accommodations for bar exam

Lauren,
I would suggest doing the following ASAP:
1. Gather all, and I do mean all, proof of accommodations you received on prior standardized tests, in college and law school, and whatever else they ask for.
2. Find someone you trust to help fill out inaccessible forms. Is this remotely fair or ADA compliant? No. Do boards of law examiners care? Also no.
3. Include in your application a letter detailing your requested accommodations and justifying each with reference to accommodations you received in the past.
4. Read, very carefully, any correspondence from your state board. And push back hard, if they don’t give you what you need to do your best. You absolutely should get an accessible electronic exam/Jaws and the ability to write essays on your computer, but your MBE answers will likely be recorded by a scribe. This is pretty standard.
Good luck! I went through the accommodations process in two different states. I still have PTSD from the Kafkaesque process in one of these states. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 30, 2022, at 8:53 PM, Lauren Bishop via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Good evening All,
> Have any of you had success with advocating for an accessible electronic version of your bar exam, and the ability to use jaws? I was looking at the Florida accommodations petition, and I noticed that the only formats that they listed or braille, large, print, or audio CD. The petition doesn’t say anything about the use of a screen reader, and, although I am proficient in braille, I need to be able to type my essays because I’ve never worked with a scribe before. Also, I use jaws more than I use braille, and in past standardized, test administrations, I have use the screen reader to take the test.   I’m also noticing that none of the petition documents are fillable I a person using a screen reader.  
> If any of you have information regarding this, I would really appreciate it.
> Lauren. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From laurenbishop96 at icloud.com  Mon Oct 31 16:00:22 2022
From: laurenbishop96 at icloud.com (Lauren Bishop)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2022 12:00:22 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] Accommodations for bar exam
In-Reply-To: <CA+3kOQc9go20p56aX6+iDab+o970=xhTQzZgJztmsmHw9DvUYQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Hello all,  
Thank you all so much for this information. I really appreciate it, when do you recommend somebody request for a February 2024 exam? 

From sanho817 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 31 16:31:44 2022
From: sanho817 at gmail.com (Sanho Steele-Louchart)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2022 11:31:44 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Accommodations for bar exam
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References: <CA+3kOQc9go20p56aX6+iDab+o970=xhTQzZgJztmsmHw9DvUYQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAL6jpex71SZrnVJ=UFgSz=1ZkjLeyt9UkP4xbFhn9P8Kpejs-A@mail.gmail.com>

This link says that your filing deadline is the same as everyone
else's, and that accommodation requests will be processed once all
paperwork has been received. You probably want records to be within a
year of the test administration, but as far out as possible to give
providers plenty of time to submit.

https://www.floridabarexam.org/__85257bfe0055eb2c.nsf/52286ae9ad5d845185257c07005c3fe1/4483d394bda239a685257c0c00779f16

On 10/31/22, Lauren Bishop via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello all,
> Thank you all so much for this information. I really appreciate it, when do
> you recommend somebody request for a February 2024 exam?
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