From laurenbishop96 at icloud.com  Mon Feb  5 20:07:54 2024
From: laurenbishop96 at icloud.com (Lauren Bishop)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2024 15:07:54 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Vocational rehabilitation and starting a job
Message-ID: <F1B1739E-1B18-4755-85A5-9AC4B1E50F8E@icloud.com>

Good afternoon All,
I just graduated law school, and I am studying for the bar. I excepted a position with a prosecutors office in the state of Florida. What I am concerned with is getting the equipment I need to start work. Can I go through my employer directly, or do I have to go through vocational rehabilitation? This is permanent employment, so I want my employer to know that they have to accommodate me, and it seems like they’re more than willing to do that. Also, my vocational rehab office is getting harder and harder to get in touch with, and I want to make sure that I have everything from work. Any assistance of this matter, it would be greatly appreciated, as this is my first experience with permanent full-time employment.  
Thanks, 
Lauren 
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From tmeloy83 at icloud.com  Mon Feb  5 20:18:14 2024
From: tmeloy83 at icloud.com (tmeloy83 at icloud.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2024 15:18:14 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Vocational rehabilitation and starting a job
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Hi Lauren,

Congrats on graduation and the job offer!  I think you can work through both.  I know from personal experience, my case with BSVI stayed open for a period of time after I got my job to make sure I had all of the services I needed.  You could also frame it as vocational rehab being a resource for your employer to use to provide you the accommodations you need.  My wife works in vocational rehab.  If you'd like further specific advice there, please write me off list and I can connect you.
Best,
T.J. Meloy


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Subject: [blindLaw] Vocational rehabilitation and starting a job

Good afternoon All,
I just graduated law school, and I am studying for the bar. I excepted a position with a prosecutors office in the state of Florida. What I am concerned with is getting the equipment I need to start work. Can I go through my employer directly, or do I have to go through vocational rehabilitation? This is permanent employment, so I want my employer to know that they have to accommodate me, and it seems like they’re more than willing to do that. Also, my vocational rehab office is getting harder and harder to get in touch with, and I want to make sure that I have everything from work. Any assistance of this matter, it would be greatly appreciated, as this is my first experience with permanent full-time employment.  
Thanks, 
Lauren 
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From nssulca at gmail.com  Mon Feb  5 20:42:54 2024
From: nssulca at gmail.com (Natalia Sulca)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2024 15:42:54 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Vocational rehabilitation and starting a job
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Good afternoon Lauren,
Congratulations! I would suggest applying to open a case with division of blind services. They can purchase all of the equipment, clothes, and transportation for 90 days post-employment. You can apply here.
https://dbs.fldoe.org/Information/Apply/index.html

Good luck,
Natalia Sulca 

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Subject: [blindLaw] Vocational rehabilitation and starting a job

Good afternoon All,
I just graduated law school, and I am studying for the bar. I excepted a position with a prosecutors office in the state of Florida. What I am concerned with is getting the equipment I need to start work. Can I go through my employer directly, or do I have to go through vocational rehabilitation? This is permanent employment, so I want my employer to know that they have to accommodate me, and it seems like they’re more than willing to do that. Also, my vocational rehab office is getting harder and harder to get in touch with, and I want to make sure that I have everything from work. Any assistance of this matter, it would be greatly appreciated, as this is my first experience with permanent full-time employment.  
Thanks, 
Lauren 
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From montascarlos267 at gmail.com  Mon Feb  5 21:06:01 2024
From: montascarlos267 at gmail.com (carlos Montas)
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2024 15:06:01 -0600
Subject: [blindLaw] Vocational rehabilitation and starting a job
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Good afternoon, I agree with Tim on this. 
How ever, I would request your accommodations from the State first. Then allow Blind Services to pay for things like moving costs, and transportation. You can use Blind Services as a resource for things like Jaws a braille display, and or any kind of scripting that might be needed for your case management system etc. 
Sincerely, Carlos Montas     
Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 5, 2024, at 2:19 PM, Timothy Meloy via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Lauren,
> 
> Congrats on graduation and the job offer!  I think you can work through both.  I know from personal experience, my case with BSVI stayed open for a period of time after I got my job to make sure I had all of the services I needed.  You could also frame it as vocational rehab being a resource for your employer to use to provide you the accommodations you need.  My wife works in vocational rehab.  If you'd like further specific advice there, please write me off list and I can connect you.
> Best,
> T.J. Meloy
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Lauren Bishop via BlindLaw
> Sent: Monday, February 5, 2024 3:08 PM
> To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Lauren Bishop <laurenbishop96 at icloud.com>
> Subject: [blindLaw] Vocational rehabilitation and starting a job
> 
> Good afternoon All,
> I just graduated law school, and I am studying for the bar. I excepted a position with a prosecutors office in the state of Florida. What I am concerned with is getting the equipment I need to start work. Can I go through my employer directly, or do I have to go through vocational rehabilitation? This is permanent employment, so I want my employer to know that they have to accommodate me, and it seems like they’re more than willing to do that. Also, my vocational rehab office is getting harder and harder to get in touch with, and I want to make sure that I have everything from work. Any assistance of this matter, it would be greatly appreciated, as this is my first experience with permanent full-time employment.  
> Thanks,
> Lauren
> Sent from my iPhone
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From wmiller at bwspllc.com  Tue Feb  6 13:36:46 2024
From: wmiller at bwspllc.com (William Miller)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2024 13:36:46 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] AI and OCR of handwritten notes to text
Message-ID: <afa3886cc238443387f259dee2b2f594@bwspllc.com>

Good morning:

  I apologize if I have missed any recent threads on this issue, but are there any promising AI programs existing or in development that are good at converting handwritten notations and/or documents to text? Thank you.

Best regards,

William T. Miller
Attorney
Brinkley Walser Stoner, PLLC
10 LSB PLAZA
P.O. Box 1657
Lexington, North Carolina  27293-1657
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From wmiller at bwspllc.com  Tue Feb  6 13:49:51 2024
From: wmiller at bwspllc.com (William Miller)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2024 13:49:51 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Vocational rehabilitation and starting a job,
 RE: BlindLaw Digest, Vol 237, Issue 2
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Hello Lauren:

  In my opinion, it is risky to depend on a state VR program in your situation. Ultimately you have to perform your job functions, and it is an employer's obligation to provide accommodations. VR is not in that loop of mutual obligation, and involving them can lead to delay and deflection of responsibility that could affect your ability to do your job, or at minimum to get off to a good start. 

Will


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2024 15:07:54 -0500
From: Lauren Bishop <laurenbishop96 at icloud.com>
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: [blindLaw] Vocational rehabilitation and starting a job
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Good afternoon All,
I just graduated law school, and I am studying for the bar. I excepted a position with a prosecutors office in the state of Florida. What I am concerned with is getting the equipment I need to start work. Can I go through my employer directly, or do I have to go through vocational rehabilitation? This is permanent employment, so I want my employer to know that they have to accommodate me, and it seems like they?re more than willing to do that. Also, my vocational rehab office is getting harder and harder to get in touch with, and I want to make sure that I have everything from work. Any assistance of this matter, it would be greatly appreciated, as this is my first experience with permanent full-time employment.  
Thanks,
Lauren
Sent from my iPhone


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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2024 15:18:14 -0500
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Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Vocational rehabilitation and starting a job
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Hi Lauren,

Congrats on graduation and the job offer!  I think you can work through both.  I know from personal experience, my case with BSVI stayed open for a period of time after I got my job to make sure I had all of the services I needed.  You could also frame it as vocational rehab being a resource for your employer to use to provide you the accommodations you need.  My wife works in vocational rehab.  If you'd like further specific advice there, please write me off list and I can connect you.
Best,
T.J. Meloy


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Subject: [blindLaw] Vocational rehabilitation and starting a job

Good afternoon All,
I just graduated law school, and I am studying for the bar. I excepted a position with a prosecutors office in the state of Florida. What I am concerned with is getting the equipment I need to start work. Can I go through my employer directly, or do I have to go through vocational rehabilitation? This is permanent employment, so I want my employer to know that they have to accommodate me, and it seems like they?re more than willing to do that. Also, my vocational rehab office is getting harder and harder to get in touch with, and I want to make sure that I have everything from work. Any assistance of this matter, it would be greatly appreciated, as this is my first experience with permanent full-time employment.  
Thanks,
Lauren
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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2024 15:42:54 -0500
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Good afternoon Lauren,
Congratulations! I would suggest applying to open a case with division of blind services. They can purchase all of the equipment, clothes, and transportation for 90 days post-employment. You can apply here.
https://link.edgepilot.com/s/41b86070/LDx8PxJJ-k2zUcLtH9QplA?u=https://dbs.fldoe.org/Information/Apply/index.html

Good luck,
Natalia Sulca 

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Subject: [blindLaw] Vocational rehabilitation and starting a job

Good afternoon All,
I just graduated law school, and I am studying for the bar. I excepted a position with a prosecutors office in the state of Florida. What I am concerned with is getting the equipment I need to start work. Can I go through my employer directly, or do I have to go through vocational rehabilitation? This is permanent employment, so I want my employer to know that they have to accommodate me, and it seems like they?re more than willing to do that. Also, my vocational rehab office is getting harder and harder to get in touch with, and I want to make sure that I have everything from work. Any assistance of this matter, it would be greatly appreciated, as this is my first experience with permanent full-time employment.  
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Lauren
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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2024 15:06:01 -0600
From: carlos Montas <montascarlos267 at gmail.com>
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Good afternoon, I agree with Tim on this. 
How ever, I would request your accommodations from the State first. Then allow Blind Services to pay for things like moving costs, and transportation. You can use Blind Services as a resource for things like Jaws a braille display, and or any kind of scripting that might be needed for your case management system etc. 
Sincerely, Carlos Montas     
Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 5, 2024, at 2:19?PM, Timothy Meloy via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi Lauren,
> 
> Congrats on graduation and the job offer!  I think you can work through both.  I know from personal experience, my case with BSVI stayed open for a period of time after I got my job to make sure I had all of the services I needed.  You could also frame it as vocational rehab being a resource for your employer to use to provide you the accommodations you need.  My wife works in vocational rehab.  If you'd like further specific advice there, please write me off list and I can connect you.
> Best,
> T.J. Meloy
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> Bishop via BlindLaw
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> Subject: [blindLaw] Vocational rehabilitation and starting a job
> 
> Good afternoon All,
> I just graduated law school, and I am studying for the bar. I excepted a position with a prosecutors office in the state of Florida. What I am concerned with is getting the equipment I need to start work. Can I go through my employer directly, or do I have to go through vocational rehabilitation? This is permanent employment, so I want my employer to know that they have to accommodate me, and it seems like they?re more than willing to do that. Also, my vocational rehab office is getting harder and harder to get in touch with, and I want to make sure that I have everything from work. Any assistance of this matter, it would be greatly appreciated, as this is my first experience with permanent full-time employment.  
> Thanks,
> Lauren
> Sent from my iPhone
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From tim at timeldermusic.com  Thu Feb  8 00:00:17 2024
From: tim at timeldermusic.com (tim at timeldermusic.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2024 16:00:17 -0800
Subject: [blindLaw] FW: Disability job at LAAW
Message-ID: <001101da5a21$cee67000$6cb35000$@timeldermusic.com>

This might be a good fit for someone on this list…

 

https://legalaidatwork.org/opportunities/disability-rights-program-director/

 

I loved that job for many years -- please circulate widely!

 

 

 

• • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • 

Claudia Center (she/her/hers)

Legal Director

Disability Rights Education & Defense Fund

(415) 531-2874 (cell)

(510) 644-2555 ext. 5231 |  <mailto:ccenter at dredf.org> ccenter at dredf.org

DONATE: The DRBA is a valuable resource to its members with related expenses for management, web and listserv services. PLEASE DONATE TODAY. Send a check payable to “Burton Blatt Institute” to: Burton Blatt Institute at Syracuse University, 950 Irving Avenue Dineen Hall Suite 446, Syracuse, New York 13244-2130 and indicate “DRBA” on the memo line. REMINDER: The DRBA listserv is intended to facilitate open discussion and sharing of ideas. Members need to feel confident that their discussions will not be distributed beyond the group unnecessarily. PLEASE CONSULT WITH THE SENDER(S) BEFORE FORWARDING ANY LISTSERV DISCUSSIONS BEYOND THE DRBA GROUP. 

 <http://disabilityrights-law.org/>  <https://www.facebook.com/DRBALaw>  <https://twitter.com/DRBALaw> 


From looking_4truth at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 10 05:17:55 2024
From: looking_4truth at yahoo.com (Josiah Jackson)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2024 05:17:55 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [blindLaw] FW: Disability job at LAAW
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And this is why I am a prelaw student in the hopes that one day I can have a job like that. Every time I get frustrated with my vision impairment I remind myself there a great jobs out there and I can do this.


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On Wednesday, February 7, 2024, 6:01 PM, Tim Elder via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:

This might be a good fit for someone on this list…

 

https://legalaidatwork.org/opportunities/disability-rights-program-director/

 

I loved that job for many years -- please circulate widely!

 

 

 

• • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • • 

Claudia Center (she/her/hers)

Legal Director

Disability Rights Education & Defense Fund

(415) 531-2874 (cell)

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DONATE: The DRBA is a valuable resource to its members with related expenses for management, web and listserv services. PLEASE DONATE TODAY. Send a check payable to “Burton Blatt Institute” to: Burton Blatt Institute at Syracuse University, 950 Irving Avenue Dineen Hall Suite 446, Syracuse, New York 13244-2130 and indicate “DRBA” on the memo line. REMINDER: The DRBA listserv is intended to facilitate open discussion and sharing of ideas. Members need to feel confident that their discussions will not be distributed beyond the group unnecessarily. PLEASE CONSULT WITH THE SENDER(S) BEFORE FORWARDING ANY LISTSERV DISCUSSIONS BEYOND THE DRBA GROUP. 

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From davant1958 at gmail.com  Sat Feb 10 11:54:05 2024
From: davant1958 at gmail.com (davant1958 at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2024 05:54:05 -0600
Subject: [blindLaw] FW: ABA & Eli Lilly Paid Summer Internship for 1Ls
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FYI.

 

 

From: The Disability Discussion Docket (3D) <3D at MAIL.AMERICANBAR.ORG> On
Behalf Of Amy Allbright
Sent: Friday, February 9, 2024 7:49 AM
To: 3D at MAIL.AMERICANBAR.ORG
Subject: ABA & Eli Lilly Paid Summer Internship for 1Ls

 

ABA-Eli Lilly and Company Summer Internship

The American Bar Association's (ABA) Commission on Disability Rights is
pleased to partner with Eli Lilly and Company to provide a meaningful summer
educational opportunity for a highly motivated, first-year law student
living with a disability. 

INTERNSHIP DESCRIPTION

The Legal Student Program at Eli Lilly provides an opportunity to work
within their Corporate, Intellectual Property department. Their student
program offers a broad range of responsibilities from across the legal
department and may include researching legal issues impacting business
strategy, researching global intellectual property law developments,
drafting policy and procedures updates for intellectual property department,
attending client meetings, interacting with legal professionals across the
corporate legal function, and collaborating with internal teams on
cross-group projects.  

The 2024 summer law intern program will run for six weeks from June 12 to
July 21, 2024. Students will be paid a stipend of about $26 per hour (40
hours per week). If the student is not located in the Indianapolis area,
they would work in the Lilly Corporate Center in Indianapolis, IN for the
first two weeks and final week of the program, and remotely for the
remaining portion.  

APPLICANT REQUIREMENTS

Applicants Must:

*
<https://shop.americanbar.org/eBus/Membership/JoinABA.aspx?Promo=RMM14ISEF>
Be (or become) a member of the American Bar Association;
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students);
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*	Have excellent oral and written communications skills and the
ability to communicate effectively across many diverse internal groups,
teams and divisions;
*	Have a demonstrated ability to work efficiently, meet deadlines, and
manage multi-dimensional projects in a fast-paced environment; and 
*	Have the ability to research and learn new concepts and legal issues
quickly to facilitate problem solving.  

The ideal applicant will have an undergraduate degree in the sciences.

HOW TO APPLY

To apply, submit your cover letter, resume, and copy of your transcript to
Amy Allbright at  <mailto:amy.allbright at americanbar.org>
amy.allbright at americanbar.org. 

Please write "Eli Lilly Summer Program" in the subject line of all
correspondence. All materials must be received by 5:00 p.m. ET on February
29, 2024.

 

 

 

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From paigecmiller6 at gmail.com  Thu Feb 15 19:40:08 2024
From: paigecmiller6 at gmail.com (Paige)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2024 12:40:08 -0700
Subject: [blindLaw] FW: ABA & Eli Lilly Paid Summer Internship for 1Ls
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Hi! My name is Paige, and I’m a first year student at the University of Arizona College of Law. I have some pending decisions from my school’s interview program, however, I’m curious if anyone knows of any externships (with a preference towards remote work) that are still accepting applications! 
I’d also love some interview tips as I continue to do interviews. Thank you! 
Paige Miller

> On Feb 10, 2024, at 4:55 AM, Denise Avant via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> FYI.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: The Disability Discussion Docket (3D) <3D at MAIL.AMERICANBAR.ORG> On
> Behalf Of Amy Allbright
> Sent: Friday, February 9, 2024 7:49 AM
> To: 3D at MAIL.AMERICANBAR.ORG
> Subject: ABA & Eli Lilly Paid Summer Internship for 1Ls
> 
> 
> 
> ABA-Eli Lilly and Company Summer Internship
> 
> The American Bar Association's (ABA) Commission on Disability Rights is
> pleased to partner with Eli Lilly and Company to provide a meaningful summer
> educational opportunity for a highly motivated, first-year law student
> living with a disability. 
> 
> INTERNSHIP DESCRIPTION
> 
> The Legal Student Program at Eli Lilly provides an opportunity to work
> within their Corporate, Intellectual Property department. Their student
> program offers a broad range of responsibilities from across the legal
> department and may include researching legal issues impacting business
> strategy, researching global intellectual property law developments,
> drafting policy and procedures updates for intellectual property department,
> attending client meetings, interacting with legal professionals across the
> corporate legal function, and collaborating with internal teams on
> cross-group projects.  
> 
> The 2024 summer law intern program will run for six weeks from June 12 to
> July 21, 2024. Students will be paid a stipend of about $26 per hour (40
> hours per week). If the student is not located in the Indianapolis area,
> they would work in the Lilly Corporate Center in Indianapolis, IN for the
> first two weeks and final week of the program, and remotely for the
> remaining portion.  
> 
> APPLICANT REQUIREMENTS
> 
> Applicants Must:
> 
> *
> <https://shop.americanbar.org/eBus/Membership/JoinABA.aspx?Promo=RMM14ISEF>
> Be (or become) a member of the American Bar Association;
> *    Be a law student with a disability; 
> *    Be enrolled at an ABA accredited law school and be scheduled for
> graduation in spring 2026 (full-time students) or spring 2027 (part-time
> students);
> *    Have excellent analytical ability and legal drafting skills;
> *    Have excellent oral and written communications skills and the
> ability to communicate effectively across many diverse internal groups,
> teams and divisions;
> *    Have a demonstrated ability to work efficiently, meet deadlines, and
> manage multi-dimensional projects in a fast-paced environment; and 
> *    Have the ability to research and learn new concepts and legal issues
> quickly to facilitate problem solving.  
> 
> The ideal applicant will have an undergraduate degree in the sciences.
> 
> HOW TO APPLY
> 
> To apply, submit your cover letter, resume, and copy of your transcript to
> Amy Allbright at  <mailto:amy.allbright at americanbar.org>
> amy.allbright at americanbar.org. 
> 
> Please write "Eli Lilly Summer Program" in the subject line of all
> correspondence. All materials must be received by 5:00 p.m. ET on February
> 29, 2024.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Amy Allbright
> 
> Staff Director
> 
> Commission on Disability Rights (CDR) - Mail Stop 8.0
> 
> American Bar Association (ABA)
> 
> 1050 Connecticut Ave., NW, Ste. 400
> 
> Washington, DC 20036-5303
> 
> 
> 
> T: 202.662.1572
> 
> Cell: 703.336.2501
> 
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> 
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From ThomasDukeman at outlook.com  Fri Feb 16 21:53:23 2024
From: ThomasDukeman at outlook.com (Thomas Dukeman)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2024 21:53:23 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Note-taking in Courtrooms
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Hello all,

I was wondering if anyone has good tips on taking notes while being blind and in a courtroom? I know that there is taking notes electronically I guess, but what else could be used to take down information and review it later?

Thank you all for your time,
Thomas Dukeman




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From BrianUnitt at holsteinlaw.com  Fri Feb 16 22:25:01 2024
From: BrianUnitt at holsteinlaw.com (Brian Unitt)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2024 22:25:01 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Note-taking in Courtrooms
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Slate and stylus on either legal pad paper or printer paper. It's fast, relatively quiet, and no fear of power/battery failure or connectivity problems. 

Brian
Brian C. Unitt
Certified Specialist in Appellate Law
By the State Bar of California

Law Office of Brian C. Unitt
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Hello all,

I was wondering if anyone has good tips on taking notes while being blind and in a courtroom? I know that there is taking notes electronically I guess, but what else could be used to take down information and review it later?

Thank you all for your time,
Thomas Dukeman




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From nfbok at outlook.com  Fri Feb 16 23:57:56 2024
From: nfbok at outlook.com (Audrey Farnum)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2024 23:57:56 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Note-taking in Courtrooms
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I agree with Brian that a slate and stylus is a great option if you’re fast enough with it. I’m not that fast so I use the text editor on  a Braille display in the courtroom For notes on the fly. I recently got a Mantis Q40 and it’s really been working well with  my workflow.

Audrey T. Farnum
President
National Federation of the Blind Oklahoma
405-445-0610, NFBOK Main
405-590-6110, Cell
president at nfbok.org
www.nfbok.org
Live the life you want.

> On Feb 16, 2024, at 4:25 PM, Brian Unitt via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Slate and stylus on either legal pad paper or printer paper. It's fast, relatively quiet, and no fear of power/battery failure or connectivity problems. 
> 
> Brian
> Brian C. Unitt
> Certified Specialist in Appellate Law
> By the State Bar of California
> 
> Law Office of Brian C. Unitt
> 6185 Magnolia Ave, PMB 40
> Riverside, CA 92506 
> P: 951-682-7030
> E: brianunitt at holsteinlaw.com
> Visit my Website
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> Subject: [blindLaw] Note-taking in Courtrooms
> 
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I was wondering if anyone has good tips on taking notes while being blind and in a courtroom? I know that there is taking notes electronically I guess, but what else could be used to take down information and review it later?
> 
> Thank you all for your time,
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From agtolentino at gmail.com  Sat Feb 17 01:56:06 2024
From: agtolentino at gmail.com (Aser Tolentino)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2024 17:56:06 -0800
Subject: [blindLaw] Note-taking in Courtrooms
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I would go with a Mantis personally. When I spent a lot of time actually in court as opposed to doing law in motion remotely, I used a BrailleNote.

> On Feb 16, 2024, at 3:59 PM, Audrey Farnum via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I agree with Brian that a slate and stylus is a great option if you’re fast enough with it. I’m not that fast so I use the text editor on  a Braille display in the courtroom For notes on the fly. I recently got a Mantis Q40 and it’s really been working well with  my workflow.
> 
> Audrey T. Farnum
> President
> National Federation of the Blind Oklahoma
> 405-445-0610, NFBOK Main
> 405-590-6110, Cell
> president at nfbok.org
> www.nfbok.org
> Live the life you want.
> 
>> On Feb 16, 2024, at 4:25 PM, Brian Unitt via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Slate and stylus on either legal pad paper or printer paper. It's fast, relatively quiet, and no fear of power/battery failure or connectivity problems.
>> 
>> Brian
>> Brian C. Unitt
>> Certified Specialist in Appellate Law
>> By the State Bar of California
>> 
>> Law Office of Brian C. Unitt
>> 6185 Magnolia Ave, PMB 40
>> Riverside, CA 92506
>> P: 951-682-7030
>> E: brianunitt at holsteinlaw.com
>> Visit my Website
>> 
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>> Subject: [blindLaw] Note-taking in Courtrooms
>> 
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> I was wondering if anyone has good tips on taking notes while being blind and in a courtroom? I know that there is taking notes electronically I guess, but what else could be used to take down information and review it later?
>> 
>> Thank you all for your time,
>> Thomas Dukeman
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From BrianUnitt at holsteinlaw.com  Sun Feb 18 00:04:45 2024
From: BrianUnitt at holsteinlaw.com (Brian Unitt)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2024 00:04:45 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Note-taking in Courtrooms
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I do use the scratchpad feature of my Focus 40 Blue for some court hearings, but with age the battery is not as dependable. Your mention of the BrailleNote brought back memories of when I had a PacMate. I did get a lot of use out of it in court until it wore out. Once going through security at the court of appeal in Orange County the CHP officer didn't fwant to allow it through. (Either he thought it was a bomb or just prohibited tech.) I explained it was what I used for my notes for oral argument, and he said he would have to check with the presiding justice. The PJ, having I am sure no idea what the officer was talking about allowed it, and for some reason moved my case to the top of the calendar. When I got to the lectern he asked if needed time to set up my equipment. I flipped the switch and told him I was ready to go. Another time years earlier in the same court I was using slate and stylus, and the CHP didn't want to allow the stylus through security. Who knew you could commit mayhem with such a diminuitive tool. I explained that I needed it to do my job and showed him how it worked. He dubiously let it through.

One other story about the PacMate. I had to appear before the same judge three weeks in a row trying to finalize an order approving compromise of a minor's PI case. At the end of the third hearing the judge asked if I would stick around after the hearing because he neeed to ask me something. I did, and he told me the court staff had been asking about the device I was using and what it did. I explained it (knowing full well it the was the judge himself who was wondering). Those teachable moments are such a great antidote to the usual refrain of "I can't imagine how you do what you do."

Brian
Brian C. Unitt
Certified Specialist in Appellate Law
By the State Bar of California

Law Office of Brian C. Unitt
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I would go with a Mantis personally. When I spent a lot of time actually in court as opposed to doing law in motion remotely, I used a BrailleNote.

> On Feb 16, 2024, at 3:59 PM, Audrey Farnum via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I agree with Brian that a slate and stylus is a great option if you’re fast enough with it. I’m not that fast so I use the text editor on  a Braille display in the courtroom For notes on the fly. I recently got a Mantis Q40 and it’s really been working well with  my workflow.
> 
> Audrey T. Farnum
> President
> National Federation of the Blind Oklahoma 405-445-0610, NFBOK Main 
> 405-590-6110, Cell president at nfbok.org www.nfbok.org Live the life you 
> want.
> 
>> On Feb 16, 2024, at 4:25 PM, Brian Unitt via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Slate and stylus on either legal pad paper or printer paper. It's fast, relatively quiet, and no fear of power/battery failure or connectivity problems.
>> 
>> Brian
>> Brian C. Unitt
>> Certified Specialist in Appellate Law By the State Bar of California
>> 
>> Law Office of Brian C. Unitt
>> 6185 Magnolia Ave, PMB 40
>> Riverside, CA 92506
>> P: 951-682-7030
>> E: brianunitt at holsteinlaw.com
>> Visit my Website
>> 
>> NOTICE:  This communication is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain attorney/client information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law.  If the reader of this communication is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering this communication to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited.  If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply email or by telephone and immediately delete this communication and all its attachments.
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>> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2024 1:53 PM
>> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' <BlindLaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Thomas Dukeman <ThomasDukeman at outlook.com>
>> Subject: [blindLaw] Note-taking in Courtrooms
>> 
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> I was wondering if anyone has good tips on taking notes while being blind and in a courtroom? I know that there is taking notes electronically I guess, but what else could be used to take down information and review it later?
>> 
>> Thank you all for your time,
>> Thomas Dukeman
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From oduncan821 at gmail.com  Sun Feb 18 00:56:43 2024
From: oduncan821 at gmail.com (omar duncan)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2024 16:56:43 -0800
Subject: [blindLaw] LSAT test accommodations
Message-ID: <CAO+t8U2TzUt+GvfH=M5BrNTg5W269u+nyj=roqZxBYE3M+pyWQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all I hope everyone’s weekend going alright and everyone doing well most
importantly.

I am emailing about different types of accommodations on LSAT for visually
impaired people.


Can visually impaired folks qualify for having breaks within each section
of the  exam.  Intersection breaks—essentially.

Like if our eyes feel tired and overworked, does the LSAC accommodate that
on LSAT  depending on whether we take  the LSAT in-person or at our homes
on the computer ?




Additionally, depending on whether you take the LSAT in-person or at home,
what kind of hardware and software accommodations can be utilized on exam
day?

Lastly, while I brought up taking the lsat test  at a center versus at home
on the computer, what is best while taking the test with  a visual
impairment?




Thanks for your guys attention.


I appreciate any feedback and analysis possible from my peers on this
subject?


Best,

From oduncan821 at gmail.com  Sun Feb 18 01:52:18 2024
From: oduncan821 at gmail.com (omar duncan)
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2024 17:52:18 -0800
Subject: [blindLaw] Assistance with Informational Interview for being able
 to attend law school
Message-ID: <CAO+t8U2RuOYjtJSdqKUXPRBEdB0Ghyxdwe2LQ7umoKrQDV_cRA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone—fellow legal field/lawyer aspirants and lawyers.


For my lawyers on this discussion thread who may  or may not be visually
impaired, I am in need of assistance for completing a brief informational
questionnaire about the field of law and what is involved in preparation
for a law career and I stand to greatly benefit from anyone who is kind
enough to contribute with this informational questionnaire.

It is short and easy/practical questions  that just touch on day to day
experiences of working as an attorney or lawyer and your prevalent
experiences of becoming a lawyer and going through the steps to become
 man. The answers touch on experiences that are easy to think of and
nothing abstract. Again, very short answers that answer the questions work
fine and the questions are not many.



To briefly explain the reason for this task—and I can explain more if
helpful for  ascertaining what this task is for and what is involved— I am
completing this informational interview as it is required for my vocational
rehabilitation agency to draft pursuing a career in law as a lawyer into my
career plan and employment goal. The merger of a career in law into my
employment  goal is  essential in obtaining assistive technology assistance
necessary to do well in law school and beyond, as well as related
assistance.



I have attached the template in word format and pdf format to peruse and
review the questions to know what questions are involved  and the format. I
have attached word format and pdf format for anyone’s preferences  and
keeping in mind accessibility with text to speech.





I can provide contact information if any of my peers would like to connect
on this assignment with  which I need assistance and a just a little bit of
time—not more than 10-20 minutes. As far as completing the format, I am
comfortable connecting via phone to ask the questions or zoom —or
completing independently by writing out answers at your guys’ own pace and
providing answer when ready—due date is  the end of April.


I am very flexible completing  this assignment with your kind assistance
and brief time contribution.


I can connect further via email or phone or zoom—and I am happy to provide
background information on this assignment, my qualifications, resume, work
experience, and reasons for desiring to pursue a career in law and my
overall resume . Whatever is helpful for everyone in knowing more about me
personally and professionally to shed light on why I may greatly benefit
from this informational interview.



Thanks for your attention and I look forward to hearing back from you all.
I appreciate your guys time and any assistance I may have the privilege and
opportunity of being able to receive.


The documents are attached below for reference.


Best,


Take care for now
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From kaybaycar at gmail.com  Sun Feb 18 17:56:29 2024
From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie A. Orozco)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2024 12:56:29 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Note-taking in Courtrooms
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References: <D5BAB9D7-C647-4D35-A25C-5F09F82EF0DD@outlook.com>
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I don't have courtroom experience yet, but whenever I needed to take
notes on something happening in real time in law school, I always used
my Braille Note Touch. I do, however, always keep a slate and stylus
and some index cards in my purse just in case. Maybe it wouldn't
really be all that beneficial to me, since I learned how to use it
later in life and am very slow at it, but I can't ever imagine being
in a situation where I need to take notes and cannot do so at all.

I only wish there was a silent Braille writer we could bring into
court proceedings. Hard copy Braille has always been easier and faster
for me, and that doesn't depend on tech that might break down without
notice. Sadly, I don't think that will ever happen, but it would
certainly be the best.

Julie


On 2/17/24, Brian Unitt via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>
> I do use the scratchpad feature of my Focus 40 Blue for some court hearings,
> but with age the battery is not as dependable. Your mention of the
> BrailleNote brought back memories of when I had a PacMate. I did get a lot
> of use out of it in court until it wore out. Once going through security at
> the court of appeal in Orange County the CHP officer didn't fwant to allow
> it through. (Either he thought it was a bomb or just prohibited tech.) I
> explained it was what I used for my notes for oral argument, and he said he
> would have to check with the presiding justice. The PJ, having I am sure no
> idea what the officer was talking about allowed it, and for some reason
> moved my case to the top of the calendar. When I got to the lectern he asked
> if needed time to set up my equipment. I flipped the switch and told him I
> was ready to go. Another time years earlier in the same court I was using
> slate and stylus, and the CHP didn't want to allow the stylus through
> security. Who knew you could commit mayhem with such a diminuitive tool. I
> explained that I needed it to do my job and showed him how it worked. He
> dubiously let it through.
>
> One other story about the PacMate. I had to appear before the same judge
> three weeks in a row trying to finalize an order approving compromise of a
> minor's PI case. At the end of the third hearing the judge asked if I would
> stick around after the hearing because he neeed to ask me something. I did,
> and he told me the court staff had been asking about the device I was using
> and what it did. I explained it (knowing full well it the was the judge
> himself who was wondering). Those teachable moments are such a great
> antidote to the usual refrain of "I can't imagine how you do what you do."
>
> Brian
> Brian C. Unitt
> Certified Specialist in Appellate Law
> By the State Bar of California
>
> Law Office of Brian C. Unitt
> 6185 Magnolia Ave, PMB 40
> Riverside, CA 92506
> P: 951-682-7030
> E: brianunitt at holsteinlaw.com
> Visit my Website
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Aser Tolentino via
> BlindLaw
> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2024 5:56 PM
> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Aser Tolentino <agtolentino at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Note-taking in Courtrooms
>
> I would go with a Mantis personally. When I spent a lot of time actually in
> court as opposed to doing law in motion remotely, I used a BrailleNote.
>
>> On Feb 16, 2024, at 3:59 PM, Audrey Farnum via BlindLaw
>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> I agree with Brian that a slate and stylus is a great option if you’re
>> fast enough with it. I’m not that fast so I use the text editor on  a
>> Braille display in the courtroom For notes on the fly. I recently got a
>> Mantis Q40 and it’s really been working well with  my workflow.
>>
>> Audrey T. Farnum
>> President
>> National Federation of the Blind Oklahoma 405-445-0610, NFBOK Main
>> 405-590-6110, Cell president at nfbok.org www.nfbok.org Live the life you
>> want.
>>
>>> On Feb 16, 2024, at 4:25 PM, Brian Unitt via BlindLaw
>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Slate and stylus on either legal pad paper or printer paper. It's fast,
>>> relatively quiet, and no fear of power/battery failure or connectivity
>>> problems.
>>>
>>> Brian
>>> Brian C. Unitt
>>> Certified Specialist in Appellate Law By the State Bar of California
>>>
>>> Law Office of Brian C. Unitt
>>> 6185 Magnolia Ave, PMB 40
>>> Riverside, CA 92506
>>> P: 951-682-7030
>>> E: brianunitt at holsteinlaw.com
>>> Visit my Website
>>>
>>> NOTICE:  This communication is intended for the use of the individual or
>>> entity to which it is addressed and may contain attorney/client
>>> information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure
>>> under applicable law.  If the reader of this communication is not the
>>> intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering
>>> this communication to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified
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>>> strictly prohibited.  If you have received this communication in error,
>>> please notify us immediately by reply email or by telephone and
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>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Thomas
>>> Dukeman via BlindLaw
>>> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2024 1:53 PM
>>> To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' <BlindLaw at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Thomas Dukeman <ThomasDukeman at outlook.com>
>>> Subject: [blindLaw] Note-taking in Courtrooms
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I was wondering if anyone has good tips on taking notes while being blind
>>> and in a courtroom? I know that there is taking notes electronically I
>>> guess, but what else could be used to take down information and review it
>>> later?
>>>
>>> Thank you all for your time,
>>> Thomas Dukeman
>>>
>>>
>>>
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-- 
Julie A. Orozco
MM Vocal Performance, 2015; American University Washington College of
Law, JD Candidate 2023


From badpenguin at hotmail.com  Sun Feb 18 18:55:54 2024
From: badpenguin at hotmail.com (Bad Penguin)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2024 18:55:54 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Is blindness a quote bodily disorder unquote
Message-ID: <DS0PR12MB660670109096808883DD690EC6522@DS0PR12MB6606.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

A life insurance policy which includes a supplement for accidental death and dismemberment benefits, contains the following language:

“Loss, death or dismemberment caused by, resulting from, or where there is contribution from, bodily or mental or emotional disorders, or sickness are not considered accidental bodily injuries and are not covered under this supplement.”

I am curious as to thoughts about:

1. Whether or not blindness is a quote bodily disorder unquote;

2. If blindness is a quote bodily disorder unquote, does the language (quote caused by, resulting from, or where there is contribution from unquote) seemingly exclude all blind individuals from ever being insured and/or covered for accidental death and dismemberment benefits originating from policies with this or similar exclusionary language;

3. What legal or regulatory protections, if any, disallow blind individuals to be excluded from life insurance and/or accidental death and dismemberment insurance solely on the insured being blind.

Thoughts or pointers on where to look sincerely appreciated.

Thanks in advance!

From BrianUnitt at holsteinlaw.com  Sun Feb 18 20:20:53 2024
From: BrianUnitt at holsteinlaw.com (Brian Unitt)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2024 20:20:53 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Note-taking in Courtrooms
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 <6639A6B3-B2FB-4387-9976-6441318AE2C8@gmail.com>
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Hi Julie,

I first learned Slate and stylus in fourth grade using standard braille paper. I hated it as the brute force required made it noisy and slow. Later on when I was in college I got tired of recording lectures and decided to give the slate another try. I used notebook paper instead of the 100lb braille paper. It made all the difference. You might be having a similar issue using index cards. Grab a legal pad and give that a try. You might be surprised at the speed you can get. The notes don't last forever, but they certainly last at least through the end of the semester. When I was cleaning out my desk when closing my old firm a couple years ago, I found files of case notes from the '80s and '90s that were still readable.

Brian
Brian C. Unitt
Certified Specialist in Appellate Law
By the State Bar of California

Law Office of Brian C. Unitt
6185 Magnolia Ave, PMB 40
Riverside, CA 92506 
P: 951-682-7030
E: brianunitt at holsteinlaw.com
Visit my Website

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-----Original Message-----
From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Julie A. Orozco via BlindLaw
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2024 9:56 AM
To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Julie A. Orozco <kaybaycar at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Note-taking in Courtrooms

I don't have courtroom experience yet, but whenever I needed to take notes on something happening in real time in law school, I always used my Braille Note Touch. I do, however, always keep a slate and stylus and some index cards in my purse just in case. Maybe it wouldn't really be all that beneficial to me, since I learned how to use it later in life and am very slow at it, but I can't ever imagine being in a situation where I need to take notes and cannot do so at all.

I only wish there was a silent Braille writer we could bring into court proceedings. Hard copy Braille has always been easier and faster for me, and that doesn't depend on tech that might break down without notice. Sadly, I don't think that will ever happen, but it would certainly be the best.

Julie


On 2/17/24, Brian Unitt via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>
> I do use the scratchpad feature of my Focus 40 Blue for some court 
> hearings, but with age the battery is not as dependable. Your mention 
> of the BrailleNote brought back memories of when I had a PacMate. I 
> did get a lot of use out of it in court until it wore out. Once going 
> through security at the court of appeal in Orange County the CHP 
> officer didn't fwant to allow it through. (Either he thought it was a 
> bomb or just prohibited tech.) I explained it was what I used for my 
> notes for oral argument, and he said he would have to check with the 
> presiding justice. The PJ, having I am sure no idea what the officer 
> was talking about allowed it, and for some reason moved my case to the 
> top of the calendar. When I got to the lectern he asked if needed time 
> to set up my equipment. I flipped the switch and told him I was ready 
> to go. Another time years earlier in the same court I was using slate 
> and stylus, and the CHP didn't want to allow the stylus through 
> security. Who knew you could commit mayhem with such a diminuitive 
> tool. I explained that I needed it to do my job and showed him how it worked. He dubiously let it through.
>
> One other story about the PacMate. I had to appear before the same 
> judge three weeks in a row trying to finalize an order approving 
> compromise of a minor's PI case. At the end of the third hearing the 
> judge asked if I would stick around after the hearing because he neeed 
> to ask me something. I did, and he told me the court staff had been 
> asking about the device I was using and what it did. I explained it 
> (knowing full well it the was the judge himself who was wondering). 
> Those teachable moments are such a great antidote to the usual refrain of "I can't imagine how you do what you do."
>
> Brian
> Brian C. Unitt
> Certified Specialist in Appellate Law
> By the State Bar of California
>
> Law Office of Brian C. Unitt
> 6185 Magnolia Ave, PMB 40
> Riverside, CA 92506
> P: 951-682-7030
> E: brianunitt at holsteinlaw.com
> Visit my Website
>
> NOTICE:  This communication is intended for the use of the individual 
> or entity to which it is addressed and may contain attorney/client 
> information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from 
> disclosure under applicable law.  If the reader of this communication 
> is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for 
> delivering this communication to the intended recipient, you are 
> hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of 
> this communication is strictly prohibited.  If you have received this 
> communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply email or 
> by telephone and immediately delete this communication and all its attachments.
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> this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure.
> If you are not the author's intended recipient, be advised that you 
> have received this email in error and that any use, dissemination, 
> forwarding, printing, or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. 
> If you have received this email in error please delete all copies, 
> both electronic and printed, and contact the author immediately.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Aser 
> Tolentino via BlindLaw
> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2024 5:56 PM
> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Aser Tolentino <agtolentino at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Note-taking in Courtrooms
>
> I would go with a Mantis personally. When I spent a lot of time 
> actually in court as opposed to doing law in motion remotely, I used a BrailleNote.
>
>> On Feb 16, 2024, at 3:59 PM, Audrey Farnum via BlindLaw 
>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> I agree with Brian that a slate and stylus is a great option if 
>> you’re fast enough with it. I’m not that fast so I use the text 
>> editor on  a Braille display in the courtroom For notes on the fly. I 
>> recently got a Mantis Q40 and it’s really been working well with  my workflow.
>>
>> Audrey T. Farnum
>> President
>> National Federation of the Blind Oklahoma 405-445-0610, NFBOK Main 
>> 405-590-6110, Cell president at nfbok.org www.nfbok.org Live the life 
>> you want.
>>
>>> On Feb 16, 2024, at 4:25 PM, Brian Unitt via BlindLaw 
>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Slate and stylus on either legal pad paper or printer paper. It's 
>>> fast, relatively quiet, and no fear of power/battery failure or 
>>> connectivity problems.
>>>
>>> Brian
>>> Brian C. Unitt
>>> Certified Specialist in Appellate Law By the State Bar of California
>>>
>>> Law Office of Brian C. Unitt
>>> 6185 Magnolia Ave, PMB 40
>>> Riverside, CA 92506
>>> P: 951-682-7030
>>> E: brianunitt at holsteinlaw.com
>>> Visit my Website
>>>
>>> NOTICE:  This communication is intended for the use of the 
>>> individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain 
>>> attorney/client information that is privileged, confidential and 
>>> exempt from disclosure under applicable law.  If the reader of this 
>>> communication is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent 
>>> responsible for delivering this communication to the intended 
>>> recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, 
>>> distribution or copying of this communication is strictly 
>>> prohibited.  If you have received this communication in error, 
>>> please notify us immediately by reply email or by telephone and immediately delete this communication and all its attachments.
>>>
>>> Confidentiality Disclaimer
>>> This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the
>>> individual(s) to whom it is addressed. The information contained in 
>>> this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from 
>>> disclosure.
>>> If you are not the author's intended recipient, be advised that you 
>>> have received this email in error and that any use, dissemination, 
>>> forwarding, printing, or copying of this email is strictly 
>>> prohibited. If you have received this email in error please delete 
>>> all copies, both electronic and printed, and contact the author immediately.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Thomas 
>>> Dukeman via BlindLaw
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>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I was wondering if anyone has good tips on taking notes while being 
>>> blind and in a courtroom? I know that there is taking notes 
>>> electronically I guess, but what else could be used to take down 
>>> information and review it later?
>>>
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From syedrizvinfb at gmail.com  Sun Feb 18 20:38:39 2024
From: syedrizvinfb at gmail.com (Syed Rizvi)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2024 15:38:39 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] LSAT test accommodations
In-Reply-To: <CAO+t8U2TzUt+GvfH=M5BrNTg5W269u+nyj=roqZxBYE3M+pyWQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO+t8U2TzUt+GvfH=M5BrNTg5W269u+nyj=roqZxBYE3M+pyWQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAqtePQ9uUO+vGpLMz89mvy9L8UGc_=bbQ8Kh3=iefJrwcKpfA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Omar,



These are all great questions and I’ll answer each individually below.



You can definitely receive extra time on the LSAT. Many blind test takers
receive double time, and I have even heard of some receiving triple time.
Therefore, you can rest your eyes as you se fit within your allotted time.



As for extra or extended breaks, if your doctor can support this request, I
believe you could possibly receive such an accommodation. I have not
commonly heard of such an accommodation for blind test takers, but I
understand that taking the exam with enlarged print would be quite
straining on your eyes. I have heard of extra and or extended breaks for
people with diabetes or conditions that cause fatigue. Again, as long as
your doctor supports your request with documentation, then I think you have
a shot.



I would personally recommend taking the exam in-person. I have heard many
accounts of blind test takers having issues with the online exam.



As for exam day, you can use any hardware and or software you request the
use of in your accommodations application. I personally used my own laptop,
along with the JAWS screen reading software, the exam in an accessible
format, the use of excel for the logic games, and the use of Microsoft Word
for the writing portion. You can request zoomtext, or whatever magnifying
software you may use, or a CCTV etc. In summary, as long as you request
what you need, and it is approved, then you can use it on the exam.


Feel free to reach out to me off thread as well if you would like to setup
a time to talk over the phone regarding this matter.



Best of luck!

-Syed



On Sat, Feb 17, 2024 at 7:57 PM omar duncan via BlindLaw <
blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi all I hope everyone’s weekend going alright and everyone doing well most
> importantly.
>
> I am emailing about different types of accommodations on LSAT for visually
> impaired people.
>
>
> Can visually impaired folks qualify for having breaks within each section
> of the  exam.  Intersection breaks—essentially.
>
> Like if our eyes feel tired and overworked, does the LSAC accommodate that
> on LSAT  depending on whether we take  the LSAT in-person or at our homes
> on the computer ?
>
>
>
>
> Additionally, depending on whether you take the LSAT in-person or at home,
> what kind of hardware and software accommodations can be utilized on exam
> day?
>
> Lastly, while I brought up taking the lsat test  at a center versus at home
> on the computer, what is best while taking the test with  a visual
> impairment?
>
>
>
>
> Thanks for your guys attention.
>
>
> I appreciate any feedback and analysis possible from my peers on this
> subject?
>
>
> Best,
> _______________________________________________
> BlindLaw mailing list
> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
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From syedrizvinfb at gmail.com  Sun Feb 18 20:43:44 2024
From: syedrizvinfb at gmail.com (Syed Rizvi)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2024 15:43:44 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Assistance with Informational Interview for being
 able to attend law school
In-Reply-To: <CAO+t8U2RuOYjtJSdqKUXPRBEdB0Ghyxdwe2LQ7umoKrQDV_cRA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO+t8U2RuOYjtJSdqKUXPRBEdB0Ghyxdwe2LQ7umoKrQDV_cRA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAqtePSPSk_cwt5Jv0xdEhyzbYZqDzanSqLD2uamadAkRzw-5w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Again Omar,



I admire your diligence and believe it will serve you well in law school
and beyond.



I am happy to go through this questionnaire with you. I’ll provide my
contact information below and feel free to reach out as you see fit.



SyedRizviNFB at Gmail.com



Best,

Syed



On Sat, Feb 17, 2024 at 8:58 PM omar duncan via BlindLaw <
blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi everyone—fellow legal field/lawyer aspirants and lawyers.
>
>
> For my lawyers on this discussion thread who may  or may not be visually
> impaired, I am in need of assistance for completing a brief informational
> questionnaire about the field of law and what is involved in preparation
> for a law career and I stand to greatly benefit from anyone who is kind
> enough to contribute with this informational questionnaire.
>
> It is short and easy/practical questions  that just touch on day to day
> experiences of working as an attorney or lawyer and your prevalent
> experiences of becoming a lawyer and going through the steps to become
>  man. The answers touch on experiences that are easy to think of and
> nothing abstract. Again, very short answers that answer the questions work
> fine and the questions are not many.
>
>
>
> To briefly explain the reason for this task—and I can explain more if
> helpful for  ascertaining what this task is for and what is involved— I am
> completing this informational interview as it is required for my vocational
> rehabilitation agency to draft pursuing a career in law as a lawyer into my
> career plan and employment goal. The merger of a career in law into my
> employment  goal is  essential in obtaining assistive technology assistance
> necessary to do well in law school and beyond, as well as related
> assistance.
>
>
>
> I have attached the template in word format and pdf format to peruse and
> review the questions to know what questions are involved  and the format. I
> have attached word format and pdf format for anyone’s preferences  and
> keeping in mind accessibility with text to speech.
>
>
>
>
>
> I can provide contact information if any of my peers would like to connect
> on this assignment with  which I need assistance and a just a little bit of
> time—not more than 10-20 minutes. As far as completing the format, I am
> comfortable connecting via phone to ask the questions or zoom —or
> completing independently by writing out answers at your guys’ own pace and
> providing answer when ready—due date is  the end of April.
>
>
> I am very flexible completing  this assignment with your kind assistance
> and brief time contribution.
>
>
> I can connect further via email or phone or zoom—and I am happy to provide
> background information on this assignment, my qualifications, resume, work
> experience, and reasons for desiring to pursue a career in law and my
> overall resume . Whatever is helpful for everyone in knowing more about me
> personally and professionally to shed light on why I may greatly benefit
> from this informational interview.
>
>
>
> Thanks for your attention and I look forward to hearing back from you all.
> I appreciate your guys time and any assistance I may have the privilege and
> opportunity of being able to receive.
>
>
> The documents are attached below for reference.
>
>
> Best,
>
>
> Take care for now
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From wmodnl at hotmail.com  Sun Feb 18 23:05:46 2024
From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (wmodnl wmodnl)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2024 23:05:46 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Is blindness a quote bodily disorder unquote
In-Reply-To: <DS0PR12MB660670109096808883DD690EC6522@DS0PR12MB6606.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DS0PR12MB660670109096808883DD690EC6522@DS0PR12MB6606.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <SA1PR02MB83686DBA41069BDF56A58EB1DC522@SA1PR02MB8368.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

I inquired about similar language when I was applying for life insurance, and it literally has to do with something that a person would engage in that would cause the permanent injury like self-destructive behavior.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 18, 2024, at 13:57, Bad Penguin via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> A life insurance policy which includes a supplement for accidental death and dismemberment benefits, contains the following language:
> 
> “Loss, death or dismemberment caused by, resulting from, or where there is contribution from, bodily or mental or emotional disorders, or sickness are not considered accidental bodily injuries and are not covered under this supplement.”
> 
> I am curious as to thoughts about:
> 
> 1. Whether or not blindness is a quote bodily disorder unquote;
> 
> 2. If blindness is a quote bodily disorder unquote, does the language (quote caused by, resulting from, or where there is contribution from unquote) seemingly exclude all blind individuals from ever being insured and/or covered for accidental death and dismemberment benefits originating from policies with this or similar exclusionary language;
> 
> 3. What legal or regulatory protections, if any, disallow blind individuals to be excluded from life insurance and/or accidental death and dismemberment insurance solely on the insured being blind.
> 
> Thoughts or pointers on where to look sincerely appreciated.
> 
> Thanks in advance!
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From marinamrake at gmail.com  Sun Feb 18 23:28:30 2024
From: marinamrake at gmail.com (Marina Rake)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2024 17:28:30 -0600
Subject: [blindLaw] LSAT test accommodations
In-Reply-To: <CAAqtePQ9uUO+vGpLMz89mvy9L8UGc_=bbQ8Kh3=iefJrwcKpfA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO+t8U2TzUt+GvfH=M5BrNTg5W269u+nyj=roqZxBYE3M+pyWQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAAqtePQ9uUO+vGpLMz89mvy9L8UGc_=bbQ8Kh3=iefJrwcKpfA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <672D7172-7DAA-4884-9B9C-78B9765CC3DC@gmail.com>

Hello Omar,

These are great questions! I am currently in the process of studying for the LSAT and applying for my accommodations as well. The information that is listed on the LSAC account portal under the “Request Accommodations” tab pretty well lays out available accommodations and instructions for requesting them. However, I still had questions about this as well. I found it helpful to call LSAC and speak with a representative to get more clarification.

As for which accommodations to request, it depends on what will be most helpful to you in terms of test-taking. 100% extended time is available. Additionally, the accommodation of “Stop/Start with Multiple breaks” allows the test proctor to stop the clock and give you a break during a section if needed. I am not sure how many additional breaks are allowed with this accommodation, but it is one that I am requesting along with other ones, too, as I often get strain and fatigue headaches from using my remaining vision.

For technology, use of JAWS, ZoomText, and DragonFly screenreader are available on the computers at testing centers for taking the LSAT in person. I also saw on the accommodations request form that working with a human reader and/or scribe is also available for people with low vision and blindness.

I recently spoke with someone from LSAC regarding the requesting process and documentation requirements. They recommended I upload documentation from my doctor, verifying my visual impairment; and also uploading any documentation of use of accommodations at my undergraduate institution and/or other standardized tests I have taken (such as the GRE).

I am providing my contact information below. Please feel freee to reach out to me directly if you would like to discuss this more!

Best,
Marina Rake
(503) 781-9948
marinamrake at gmail.com <mailto:marinamrake at gmail.com>


> On Feb 18, 2024, at 2:38 PM, Syed Rizvi via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Omar,
> 
> 
> 
> These are all great questions and I’ll answer each individually below.
> 
> 
> 
> You can definitely receive extra time on the LSAT. Many blind test takers
> receive double time, and I have even heard of some receiving triple time.
> Therefore, you can rest your eyes as you se fit within your allotted time.
> 
> 
> 
> As for extra or extended breaks, if your doctor can support this request, I
> believe you could possibly receive such an accommodation. I have not
> commonly heard of such an accommodation for blind test takers, but I
> understand that taking the exam with enlarged print would be quite
> straining on your eyes. I have heard of extra and or extended breaks for
> people with diabetes or conditions that cause fatigue. Again, as long as
> your doctor supports your request with documentation, then I think you have
> a shot.
> 
> 
> 
> I would personally recommend taking the exam in-person. I have heard many
> accounts of blind test takers having issues with the online exam.
> 
> 
> 
> As for exam day, you can use any hardware and or software you request the
> use of in your accommodations application. I personally used my own laptop,
> along with the JAWS screen reading software, the exam in an accessible
> format, the use of excel for the logic games, and the use of Microsoft Word
> for the writing portion. You can request zoomtext, or whatever magnifying
> software you may use, or a CCTV etc. In summary, as long as you request
> what you need, and it is approved, then you can use it on the exam.
> 
> 
> Feel free to reach out to me off thread as well if you would like to setup
> a time to talk over the phone regarding this matter.
> 
> 
> 
> Best of luck!
> 
> -Syed
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Feb 17, 2024 at 7:57 PM omar duncan via BlindLaw <
> blindlaw at nfbnet.org <mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
> 
>> Hi all I hope everyone’s weekend going alright and everyone doing well most
>> importantly.
>> 
>> I am emailing about different types of accommodations on LSAT for visually
>> impaired people.
>> 
>> 
>> Can visually impaired folks qualify for having breaks within each section
>> of the  exam.  Intersection breaks—essentially.
>> 
>> Like if our eyes feel tired and overworked, does the LSAC accommodate that
>> on LSAT  depending on whether we take  the LSAT in-person or at our homes
>> on the computer ?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Additionally, depending on whether you take the LSAT in-person or at home,
>> what kind of hardware and software accommodations can be utilized on exam
>> day?
>> 
>> Lastly, while I brought up taking the lsat test  at a center versus at home
>> on the computer, what is best while taking the test with  a visual
>> impairment?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks for your guys attention.
>> 
>> 
>> I appreciate any feedback and analysis possible from my peers on this
>> subject?
>> 
>> 
>> Best,
>> _______________________________________________
>> BlindLaw mailing list
>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> BlindLaw:
>> 
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>> 
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From kaybaycar at gmail.com  Mon Feb 19 04:34:37 2024
From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie A. Orozco)
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2024 23:34:37 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] LSAT test accommodations
In-Reply-To: <672D7172-7DAA-4884-9B9C-78B9765CC3DC@gmail.com>
References: <CAO+t8U2TzUt+GvfH=M5BrNTg5W269u+nyj=roqZxBYE3M+pyWQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAAqtePQ9uUO+vGpLMz89mvy9L8UGc_=bbQ8Kh3=iefJrwcKpfA@mail.gmail.com>
 <672D7172-7DAA-4884-9B9C-78B9765CC3DC@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHox4DJgvPiwMxXaxUsJi4No=GNnLS=H+v99AKRrqvJcV16Bzg@mail.gmail.com>

I took the LSAT before Covid, so I didn't get the option to do it at
home. But I did get to take the test with my own laptop, using double
time, and with a few breaks in between sections.

I can't remember how many breaks I took, but you can certainly request
as many as you think you will need. My advice is to fill out the
application for accommodations very carefully and give yourself lots
of time to make sure you get all the documentation together. Also,
make sure to take lots of practice tests so you know how long you will
take with each section, and then you can adjust accordingly. I took
practice tests that allowed me to reset the clock to adjust for double
time. I believe the logic games section was the only one that I really
needed every minute of extra time for.

Best of luck,

Julie

On 2/18/24, Marina Rake via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello Omar,
>
> These are great questions! I am currently in the process of studying for the
> LSAT and applying for my accommodations as well. The information that is
> listed on the LSAC account portal under the “Request Accommodations” tab
> pretty well lays out available accommodations and instructions for
> requesting them. However, I still had questions about this as well. I found
> it helpful to call LSAC and speak with a representative to get more
> clarification.
>
> As for which accommodations to request, it depends on what will be most
> helpful to you in terms of test-taking. 100% extended time is available.
> Additionally, the accommodation of “Stop/Start with Multiple breaks” allows
> the test proctor to stop the clock and give you a break during a section if
> needed. I am not sure how many additional breaks are allowed with this
> accommodation, but it is one that I am requesting along with other ones,
> too, as I often get strain and fatigue headaches from using my remaining
> vision.
>
> For technology, use of JAWS, ZoomText, and DragonFly screenreader are
> available on the computers at testing centers for taking the LSAT in person.
> I also saw on the accommodations request form that working with a human
> reader and/or scribe is also available for people with low vision and
> blindness.
>
> I recently spoke with someone from LSAC regarding the requesting process and
> documentation requirements. They recommended I upload documentation from my
> doctor, verifying my visual impairment; and also uploading any documentation
> of use of accommodations at my undergraduate institution and/or other
> standardized tests I have taken (such as the GRE).
>
> I am providing my contact information below. Please feel freee to reach out
> to me directly if you would like to discuss this more!
>
> Best,
> Marina Rake
> (503) 781-9948
> marinamrake at gmail.com <mailto:marinamrake at gmail.com>
>
>
>> On Feb 18, 2024, at 2:38 PM, Syed Rizvi via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Omar,
>>
>>
>>
>> These are all great questions and I’ll answer each individually below.
>>
>>
>>
>> You can definitely receive extra time on the LSAT. Many blind test takers
>> receive double time, and I have even heard of some receiving triple time.
>> Therefore, you can rest your eyes as you se fit within your allotted time.
>>
>>
>>
>> As for extra or extended breaks, if your doctor can support this request,
>> I
>> believe you could possibly receive such an accommodation. I have not
>> commonly heard of such an accommodation for blind test takers, but I
>> understand that taking the exam with enlarged print would be quite
>> straining on your eyes. I have heard of extra and or extended breaks for
>> people with diabetes or conditions that cause fatigue. Again, as long as
>> your doctor supports your request with documentation, then I think you
>> have
>> a shot.
>>
>>
>>
>> I would personally recommend taking the exam in-person. I have heard many
>> accounts of blind test takers having issues with the online exam.
>>
>>
>>
>> As for exam day, you can use any hardware and or software you request the
>> use of in your accommodations application. I personally used my own
>> laptop,
>> along with the JAWS screen reading software, the exam in an accessible
>> format, the use of excel for the logic games, and the use of Microsoft
>> Word
>> for the writing portion. You can request zoomtext, or whatever magnifying
>> software you may use, or a CCTV etc. In summary, as long as you request
>> what you need, and it is approved, then you can use it on the exam.
>>
>>
>> Feel free to reach out to me off thread as well if you would like to setup
>> a time to talk over the phone regarding this matter.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best of luck!
>>
>> -Syed
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 17, 2024 at 7:57 PM omar duncan via BlindLaw <
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org <mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all I hope everyone’s weekend going alright and everyone doing well
>>> most
>>> importantly.
>>>
>>> I am emailing about different types of accommodations on LSAT for
>>> visually
>>> impaired people.
>>>
>>>
>>> Can visually impaired folks qualify for having breaks within each section
>>> of the  exam.  Intersection breaks—essentially.
>>>
>>> Like if our eyes feel tired and overworked, does the LSAC accommodate
>>> that
>>> on LSAT  depending on whether we take  the LSAT in-person or at our homes
>>> on the computer ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Additionally, depending on whether you take the LSAT in-person or at
>>> home,
>>> what kind of hardware and software accommodations can be utilized on exam
>>> day?
>>>
>>> Lastly, while I brought up taking the lsat test  at a center versus at
>>> home
>>> on the computer, what is best while taking the test with  a visual
>>> impairment?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for your guys attention.
>>>
>>>
>>> I appreciate any feedback and analysis possible from my peers on this
>>> subject?
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> BlindLaw mailing list
>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> BlindLaw:
>>>
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>>> <http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/syedrizvinfb%40gmail.com>
>>>
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-- 
Julie A. Orozco
MM Vocal Performance, 2015; American University Washington College of
Law, JD Candidate 2023


From oduncan821 at gmail.com  Mon Feb 19 16:54:47 2024
From: oduncan821 at gmail.com (omar duncan)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2024 08:54:47 -0800
Subject: [blindLaw] LSAT test accommodations
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Gotcha.

Thanks for the detailed explanation and breakdown to all the questions.

Have you by any chance heard of taking the test over multiple days as well?

Like one section in one day and another section on another day?


Thanks,


On Sun, Feb 18, 2024 at 3:29 PM Marina Rake via BlindLaw <
blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hello Omar,
>
> These are great questions! I am currently in the process of studying for
> the LSAT and applying for my accommodations as well. The information that
> is listed on the LSAC account portal under the “Request Accommodations” tab
> pretty well lays out available accommodations and instructions for
> requesting them. However, I still had questions about this as well. I found
> it helpful to call LSAC and speak with a representative to get more
> clarification.
>
> As for which accommodations to request, it depends on what will be most
> helpful to you in terms of test-taking. 100% extended time is available.
> Additionally, the accommodation of “Stop/Start with Multiple breaks” allows
> the test proctor to stop the clock and give you a break during a section if
> needed. I am not sure how many additional breaks are allowed with this
> accommodation, but it is one that I am requesting along with other ones,
> too, as I often get strain and fatigue headaches from using my remaining
> vision.
>
> For technology, use of JAWS, ZoomText, and DragonFly screenreader are
> available on the computers at testing centers for taking the LSAT in
> person. I also saw on the accommodations request form that working with a
> human reader and/or scribe is also available for people with low vision and
> blindness.
>
> I recently spoke with someone from LSAC regarding the requesting process
> and documentation requirements. They recommended I upload documentation
> from my doctor, verifying my visual impairment; and also uploading any
> documentation of use of accommodations at my undergraduate institution
> and/or other standardized tests I have taken (such as the GRE).
>
> I am providing my contact information below. Please feel freee to reach
> out to me directly if you would like to discuss this more!
>
> Best,
> Marina Rake
> (503) 781-9948
> marinamrake at gmail.com <mailto:marinamrake at gmail.com>
>
>
> > On Feb 18, 2024, at 2:38 PM, Syed Rizvi via BlindLaw <
> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Omar,
> >
> >
> >
> > These are all great questions and I’ll answer each individually below.
> >
> >
> >
> > You can definitely receive extra time on the LSAT. Many blind test takers
> > receive double time, and I have even heard of some receiving triple time.
> > Therefore, you can rest your eyes as you se fit within your allotted
> time.
> >
> >
> >
> > As for extra or extended breaks, if your doctor can support this
> request, I
> > believe you could possibly receive such an accommodation. I have not
> > commonly heard of such an accommodation for blind test takers, but I
> > understand that taking the exam with enlarged print would be quite
> > straining on your eyes. I have heard of extra and or extended breaks for
> > people with diabetes or conditions that cause fatigue. Again, as long as
> > your doctor supports your request with documentation, then I think you
> have
> > a shot.
> >
> >
> >
> > I would personally recommend taking the exam in-person. I have heard many
> > accounts of blind test takers having issues with the online exam.
> >
> >
> >
> > As for exam day, you can use any hardware and or software you request the
> > use of in your accommodations application. I personally used my own
> laptop,
> > along with the JAWS screen reading software, the exam in an accessible
> > format, the use of excel for the logic games, and the use of Microsoft
> Word
> > for the writing portion. You can request zoomtext, or whatever magnifying
> > software you may use, or a CCTV etc. In summary, as long as you request
> > what you need, and it is approved, then you can use it on the exam.
> >
> >
> > Feel free to reach out to me off thread as well if you would like to
> setup
> > a time to talk over the phone regarding this matter.
> >
> >
> >
> > Best of luck!
> >
> > -Syed
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 17, 2024 at 7:57 PM omar duncan via BlindLaw <
> > blindlaw at nfbnet.org <mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi all I hope everyone’s weekend going alright and everyone doing well
> most
> >> importantly.
> >>
> >> I am emailing about different types of accommodations on LSAT for
> visually
> >> impaired people.
> >>
> >>
> >> Can visually impaired folks qualify for having breaks within each
> section
> >> of the  exam.  Intersection breaks—essentially.
> >>
> >> Like if our eyes feel tired and overworked, does the LSAC accommodate
> that
> >> on LSAT  depending on whether we take  the LSAT in-person or at our
> homes
> >> on the computer ?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Additionally, depending on whether you take the LSAT in-person or at
> home,
> >> what kind of hardware and software accommodations can be utilized on
> exam
> >> day?
> >>
> >> Lastly, while I brought up taking the lsat test  at a center versus at
> home
> >> on the computer, what is best while taking the test with  a visual
> >> impairment?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks for your guys attention.
> >>
> >>
> >> I appreciate any feedback and analysis possible from my peers on this
> >> subject?
> >>
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> BlindLaw mailing list
> >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
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> <
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> >
> >>
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From syedrizvinfb at gmail.com  Mon Feb 19 18:23:23 2024
From: syedrizvinfb at gmail.com (Syed Rizvi)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2024 13:23:23 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] LSAT test accommodations
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I have heard of the test administrators breaking up the exam over two days,
as that worked better for them due to the extended time plus breaks. I am
not sure if that can be requested as a specific accommodation. My general
approach for the accommodations application is ask for everything you think
you may need, back it up with documentation,and
appeal any denials with additional documentation from your doctor. Building
a strong repore with a doctor who supports and understands your situation
can be hugely helpful.

On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 11:56 AM omar duncan via BlindLaw <
blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Gotcha.
>
> Thanks for the detailed explanation and breakdown to all the questions.
>
> Have you by any chance heard of taking the test over multiple days as well?
>
> Like one section in one day and another section on another day?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 18, 2024 at 3:29 PM Marina Rake via BlindLaw <
> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> > Hello Omar,
> >
> > These are great questions! I am currently in the process of studying for
> > the LSAT and applying for my accommodations as well. The information that
> > is listed on the LSAC account portal under the “Request Accommodations”
> tab
> > pretty well lays out available accommodations and instructions for
> > requesting them. However, I still had questions about this as well. I
> found
> > it helpful to call LSAC and speak with a representative to get more
> > clarification.
> >
> > As for which accommodations to request, it depends on what will be most
> > helpful to you in terms of test-taking. 100% extended time is available.
> > Additionally, the accommodation of “Stop/Start with Multiple breaks”
> allows
> > the test proctor to stop the clock and give you a break during a section
> if
> > needed. I am not sure how many additional breaks are allowed with this
> > accommodation, but it is one that I am requesting along with other ones,
> > too, as I often get strain and fatigue headaches from using my remaining
> > vision.
> >
> > For technology, use of JAWS, ZoomText, and DragonFly screenreader are
> > available on the computers at testing centers for taking the LSAT in
> > person. I also saw on the accommodations request form that working with a
> > human reader and/or scribe is also available for people with low vision
> and
> > blindness.
> >
> > I recently spoke with someone from LSAC regarding the requesting process
> > and documentation requirements. They recommended I upload documentation
> > from my doctor, verifying my visual impairment; and also uploading any
> > documentation of use of accommodations at my undergraduate institution
> > and/or other standardized tests I have taken (such as the GRE).
> >
> > I am providing my contact information below. Please feel freee to reach
> > out to me directly if you would like to discuss this more!
> >
> > Best,
> > Marina Rake
> > (503) 781-9948
> > marinamrake at gmail.com <mailto:marinamrake at gmail.com>
> >
> >
> > > On Feb 18, 2024, at 2:38 PM, Syed Rizvi via BlindLaw <
> > blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Omar,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > These are all great questions and I’ll answer each individually below.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > You can definitely receive extra time on the LSAT. Many blind test
> takers
> > > receive double time, and I have even heard of some receiving triple
> time.
> > > Therefore, you can rest your eyes as you se fit within your allotted
> > time.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > As for extra or extended breaks, if your doctor can support this
> > request, I
> > > believe you could possibly receive such an accommodation. I have not
> > > commonly heard of such an accommodation for blind test takers, but I
> > > understand that taking the exam with enlarged print would be quite
> > > straining on your eyes. I have heard of extra and or extended breaks
> for
> > > people with diabetes or conditions that cause fatigue. Again, as long
> as
> > > your doctor supports your request with documentation, then I think you
> > have
> > > a shot.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I would personally recommend taking the exam in-person. I have heard
> many
> > > accounts of blind test takers having issues with the online exam.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > As for exam day, you can use any hardware and or software you request
> the
> > > use of in your accommodations application. I personally used my own
> > laptop,
> > > along with the JAWS screen reading software, the exam in an accessible
> > > format, the use of excel for the logic games, and the use of Microsoft
> > Word
> > > for the writing portion. You can request zoomtext, or whatever
> magnifying
> > > software you may use, or a CCTV etc. In summary, as long as you request
> > > what you need, and it is approved, then you can use it on the exam.
> > >
> > >
> > > Feel free to reach out to me off thread as well if you would like to
> > setup
> > > a time to talk over the phone regarding this matter.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Best of luck!
> > >
> > > -Syed
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Feb 17, 2024 at 7:57 PM omar duncan via BlindLaw <
> > > blindlaw at nfbnet.org <mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi all I hope everyone’s weekend going alright and everyone doing well
> > most
> > >> importantly.
> > >>
> > >> I am emailing about different types of accommodations on LSAT for
> > visually
> > >> impaired people.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Can visually impaired folks qualify for having breaks within each
> > section
> > >> of the  exam.  Intersection breaks—essentially.
> > >>
> > >> Like if our eyes feel tired and overworked, does the LSAC accommodate
> > that
> > >> on LSAT  depending on whether we take  the LSAT in-person or at our
> > homes
> > >> on the computer ?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Additionally, depending on whether you take the LSAT in-person or at
> > home,
> > >> what kind of hardware and software accommodations can be utilized on
> > exam
> > >> day?
> > >>
> > >> Lastly, while I brought up taking the lsat test  at a center versus at
> > home
> > >> on the computer, what is best while taking the test with  a visual
> > >> impairment?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Thanks for your guys attention.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I appreciate any feedback and analysis possible from my peers on this
> > >> subject?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Best,
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> BlindLaw mailing list
> > >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
> > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
> > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> > >> BlindLaw:
> > >>
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> > <
> >
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> > >
> > >>
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From syedrizvinfb at gmail.com  Mon Feb 19 18:26:31 2024
From: syedrizvinfb at gmail.com (Syed Rizvi)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2024 13:26:31 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Bar Prep Flashcards
Message-ID: <CAAqtePT5_WqZK9jidJv9wA850x1mHqfMXceaUbd=QvsvCcNXgw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear All,



As I approach bar prep, I was wondering if anyone had experience using
Critical Pass’ flashcards. My bar prep coach recommended them but I wanted
to first see if they were accessible.



Gratefully,

Syed

From seifs at umich.edu  Mon Feb 19 18:38:34 2024
From: seifs at umich.edu (Seif-Eldeen Saqallah)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2024 13:38:34 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Bar Prep Flashcards
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I used them before, but did not like the contents. They also let me
demotest the cards on the mobile app, but I did not have much luck
with that; perhaps they fixed things since 2020.

The links they gave me, if still valid, are
ios:
https://apps.apple.com/cn/app/critical-pass-flashcards/id595439540?l=en

Android:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=build.criticalpass&hl=en_US
There email is Critical Pass <support at criticalpass.com>

 I honestly found Crushedno to be better:
It condensed the subjects into an hour-or-so long outline;
had audio mp3 files (helpful when moving around or for background
tasks), one with sound background music and the other without;
a good visually-formatted pdf which also had headings delineating
between subjects;
and, importantly, memorable mnemonics and an attack outline I found helpful.
It is also not limited for the bar; they are good for general exam studying too.
You can download a free subject (use the below code) to see how it works:
I suggest choosing a subject with which you are least familiar (to see
how it teaches you), or one you know more (to see how its learning
compares to what you know/how you learn).
Property and Civpro were helpful for me.

Shop - Crushendo®
https://crushendo.com/shop/
Code: trycrushendo100 .
(I do not work for them; I wanted to pass along what I found helpful.)

Sincerely,
Seif


From maurakutnyak at gmail.com  Mon Feb 19 19:56:43 2024
From: maurakutnyak at gmail.com (Maura Kutnyak)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2024 14:56:43 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Bar Prep Flashcards
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References: <CA+3kOQf-AqPbfoMHqJFHkhsQZYrSYeLwQywraTbMT1-AC+85iw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <643828AE-125A-49CD-B887-D880B4F3F7BA@gmail.com>

Hi Syed, 

I did not use critical pass, but I did use crushendo because Seif endorsed it at some point before I started bar prep. For me, it was a supplement to Themis , which was the program I used for its full suite. But I liked crescendo because of the portability and audio aspect. Best wishes on your upcoming study adventure!

Warmly,

Maura Kutnyak Esq.
716-563-9882

> On Feb 19, 2024, at 1:39 PM, Seif-Eldeen Saqallah via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I used them before, but did not like the contents. They also let me
> demotest the cards on the mobile app, but I did not have much luck
> with that; perhaps they fixed things since 2020.
> 
> The links they gave me, if still valid, are
> ios:
> https://apps.apple.com/cn/app/critical-pass-flashcards/id595439540?l=en
> 
> Android:
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=build.criticalpass&hl=en_US
> There email is Critical Pass <support at criticalpass.com>
> 
> I honestly found Crushedno to be better:
> It condensed the subjects into an hour-or-so long outline;
> had audio mp3 files (helpful when moving around or for background
> tasks), one with sound background music and the other without;
> a good visually-formatted pdf which also had headings delineating
> between subjects;
> and, importantly, memorable mnemonics and an attack outline I found helpful.
> It is also not limited for the bar; they are good for general exam studying too.
> You can download a free subject (use the below code) to see how it works:
> I suggest choosing a subject with which you are least familiar (to see
> how it teaches you), or one you know more (to see how its learning
> compares to what you know/how you learn).
> Property and Civpro were helpful for me.
> 
> Shop - Crushendo®
> https://crushendo.com/shop/
> Code: trycrushendo100 .
> (I do not work for them; I wanted to pass along what I found helpful.)
> 
> Sincerely,
> Seif
> 
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> BlindLaw mailing list
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From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu  Mon Feb 19 20:38:04 2024
From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Derek Manners)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2024 15:38:04 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] LSAT test accommodations
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I took the Virginia bar over a 4 day period, it is normally pretty a 2 day test.  


Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 19, 2024, at 1:24 PM, Syed Rizvi via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I have heard of the test administrators breaking up the exam over two days,
> as that worked better for them due to the extended time plus breaks. I am
> not sure if that can be requested as a specific accommodation. My general
> approach for the accommodations application is ask for everything you think
> you may need, back it up with documentation,and
> appeal any denials with additional documentation from your doctor. Building
> a strong repore with a doctor who supports and understands your situation
> can be hugely helpful.
> 
>> On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 11:56 AM omar duncan via BlindLaw <
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Gotcha.
>> 
>> Thanks for the detailed explanation and breakdown to all the questions.
>> 
>> Have you by any chance heard of taking the test over multiple days as well?
>> 
>> Like one section in one day and another section on another day?
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Feb 18, 2024 at 3:29 PM Marina Rake via BlindLaw <
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Omar,
>>> 
>>> These are great questions! I am currently in the process of studying for
>>> the LSAT and applying for my accommodations as well. The information that
>>> is listed on the LSAC account portal under the “Request Accommodations”
>> tab
>>> pretty well lays out available accommodations and instructions for
>>> requesting them. However, I still had questions about this as well. I
>> found
>>> it helpful to call LSAC and speak with a representative to get more
>>> clarification.
>>> 
>>> As for which accommodations to request, it depends on what will be most
>>> helpful to you in terms of test-taking. 100% extended time is available.
>>> Additionally, the accommodation of “Stop/Start with Multiple breaks”
>> allows
>>> the test proctor to stop the clock and give you a break during a section
>> if
>>> needed. I am not sure how many additional breaks are allowed with this
>>> accommodation, but it is one that I am requesting along with other ones,
>>> too, as I often get strain and fatigue headaches from using my remaining
>>> vision.
>>> 
>>> For technology, use of JAWS, ZoomText, and DragonFly screenreader are
>>> available on the computers at testing centers for taking the LSAT in
>>> person. I also saw on the accommodations request form that working with a
>>> human reader and/or scribe is also available for people with low vision
>> and
>>> blindness.
>>> 
>>> I recently spoke with someone from LSAC regarding the requesting process
>>> and documentation requirements. They recommended I upload documentation
>>> from my doctor, verifying my visual impairment; and also uploading any
>>> documentation of use of accommodations at my undergraduate institution
>>> and/or other standardized tests I have taken (such as the GRE).
>>> 
>>> I am providing my contact information below. Please feel freee to reach
>>> out to me directly if you would like to discuss this more!
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Marina Rake
>>> (503) 781-9948
>>> marinamrake at gmail.com <mailto:marinamrake at gmail.com>
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 18, 2024, at 2:38 PM, Syed Rizvi via BlindLaw <
>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Omar,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> These are all great questions and I’ll answer each individually below.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> You can definitely receive extra time on the LSAT. Many blind test
>> takers
>>>> receive double time, and I have even heard of some receiving triple
>> time.
>>>> Therefore, you can rest your eyes as you se fit within your allotted
>>> time.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> As for extra or extended breaks, if your doctor can support this
>>> request, I
>>>> believe you could possibly receive such an accommodation. I have not
>>>> commonly heard of such an accommodation for blind test takers, but I
>>>> understand that taking the exam with enlarged print would be quite
>>>> straining on your eyes. I have heard of extra and or extended breaks
>> for
>>>> people with diabetes or conditions that cause fatigue. Again, as long
>> as
>>>> your doctor supports your request with documentation, then I think you
>>> have
>>>> a shot.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I would personally recommend taking the exam in-person. I have heard
>> many
>>>> accounts of blind test takers having issues with the online exam.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> As for exam day, you can use any hardware and or software you request
>> the
>>>> use of in your accommodations application. I personally used my own
>>> laptop,
>>>> along with the JAWS screen reading software, the exam in an accessible
>>>> format, the use of excel for the logic games, and the use of Microsoft
>>> Word
>>>> for the writing portion. You can request zoomtext, or whatever
>> magnifying
>>>> software you may use, or a CCTV etc. In summary, as long as you request
>>>> what you need, and it is approved, then you can use it on the exam.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Feel free to reach out to me off thread as well if you would like to
>>> setup
>>>> a time to talk over the phone regarding this matter.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Best of luck!
>>>> 
>>>> -Syed
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Feb 17, 2024 at 7:57 PM omar duncan via BlindLaw <
>>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org <mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all I hope everyone’s weekend going alright and everyone doing well
>>> most
>>>>> importantly.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am emailing about different types of accommodations on LSAT for
>>> visually
>>>>> impaired people.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Can visually impaired folks qualify for having breaks within each
>>> section
>>>>> of the  exam.  Intersection breaks—essentially.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Like if our eyes feel tired and overworked, does the LSAC accommodate
>>> that
>>>>> on LSAT  depending on whether we take  the LSAT in-person or at our
>>> homes
>>>>> on the computer ?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Additionally, depending on whether you take the LSAT in-person or at
>>> home,
>>>>> what kind of hardware and software accommodations can be utilized on
>>> exam
>>>>> day?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Lastly, while I brought up taking the lsat test  at a center versus at
>>> home
>>>>> on the computer, what is best while taking the test with  a visual
>>>>> impairment?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks for your guys attention.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I appreciate any feedback and analysis possible from my peers on this
>>>>> subject?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> 
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/syedrizvinfb%40gmail.com
>>>> 
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From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu  Mon Feb 19 20:40:31 2024
From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Derek Manners)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2024 15:40:31 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Bar Prep Flashcards
In-Reply-To: <643828AE-125A-49CD-B887-D880B4F3F7BA@gmail.com>
References: <643828AE-125A-49CD-B887-D880B4F3F7BA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8E9D6293-0835-4B77-87C6-489DF3DAC544@jd16.law.harvard.edu>

I found the typical bar prep course to be more than I wanted to do in a day, so I just did (some) of the bar prep course. A big part of that was due to inaccessibility, but also just because I already felt like it was too much. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 19, 2024, at 2:58 PM, Maura Kutnyak via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Syed,
> 
> I did not use critical pass, but I did use crushendo because Seif endorsed it at some point before I started bar prep. For me, it was a supplement to Themis , which was the program I used for its full suite. But I liked crescendo because of the portability and audio aspect. Best wishes on your upcoming study adventure!
> 
> Warmly,
> 
> Maura Kutnyak Esq.
> 716-563-9882
> 
>> On Feb 19, 2024, at 1:39 PM, Seif-Eldeen Saqallah via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I used them before, but did not like the contents. They also let me
>> demotest the cards on the mobile app, but I did not have much luck
>> with that; perhaps they fixed things since 2020.
>> 
>> The links they gave me, if still valid, are
>> ios:
>> https://apps.apple.com/cn/app/critical-pass-flashcards/id595439540?l=en
>> 
>> Android:
>> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=build.criticalpass&hl=en_US
>> There email is Critical Pass <support at criticalpass.com>
>> 
>> I honestly found Crushedno to be better:
>> It condensed the subjects into an hour-or-so long outline;
>> had audio mp3 files (helpful when moving around or for background
>> tasks), one with sound background music and the other without;
>> a good visually-formatted pdf which also had headings delineating
>> between subjects;
>> and, importantly, memorable mnemonics and an attack outline I found helpful.
>> It is also not limited for the bar; they are good for general exam studying too.
>> You can download a free subject (use the below code) to see how it works:
>> I suggest choosing a subject with which you are least familiar (to see
>> how it teaches you), or one you know more (to see how its learning
>> compares to what you know/how you learn).
>> Property and Civpro were helpful for me.
>> 
>> Shop - Crushendo®
>> https://crushendo.com/shop/
>> Code: trycrushendo100 .
>> (I do not work for them; I wanted to pass along what I found helpful.)
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> Seif
>> 
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From oduncan821 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 20 01:45:20 2024
From: oduncan821 at gmail.com (omar duncan)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2024 17:45:20 -0800
Subject: [blindLaw] Best LSAT prep course
Message-ID: <CAO+t8U2U+7AucqZqMR+8ZU-U2s51_A9ix6PfFfa5QLMbP5PCdw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi folks.

I hope everyone having a good evening.

Does anyone know and have intel on the best crash courses for LSAT or prep
course.

The criterion  of what is considered
 Good for prep  course is how efficient it is at prepping and teaching for
the exam.

I am open to platform as well that balance quality and price  and
 accessibility?
Right now I am on 7Sage but I am informed by people that  blue print is
also good? Any other providers out there?

Any thoughts and insights are helpful and appreciated


Thanks for your attention.


Best,
Brian

From paigecmiller6 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 20 02:14:57 2024
From: paigecmiller6 at gmail.com (Paige)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2024 19:14:57 -0700
Subject: [blindLaw] Best LSAT prep course
Message-ID: <1FBC4D9F-7934-440B-9733-269D6D55036D@gmail.com>

Hi!

I found 7sage to be poor in terms of the accessibility of the actual teaching videos. 

 I took a virtual class through educational testing consultants (they had a live teacher and live tutors/office hours - this really helped me improve due to better accessibility). 

Here is their email:

info at etctestprep.com

Also, I’d be happy to chat about LSAT accommodations and law school in general. 


Paige Miller

> On Feb 19, 2024, at 6:46 PM, omar duncan via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi folks.
> 
> I hope everyone having a good evening.
> 
> Does anyone know and have intel on the best crash courses for LSAT or prep
> course.
> 
> The criterion  of what is considered
> Good for prep  course is how efficient it is at prepping and teaching for
> the exam.
> 
> I am open to platform as well that balance quality and price  and
> accessibility?
> Right now I am on 7Sage but I am informed by people that  blue print is
> also good? Any other providers out there?
> 
> Any thoughts and insights are helpful and appreciated
> 
> 
> Thanks for your attention.
> 
> 
> Best,
> Brian
> _______________________________________________
> BlindLaw mailing list
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From oduncan821 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 20 02:22:47 2024
From: oduncan821 at gmail.com (omar duncan)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2024 18:22:47 -0800
Subject: [blindLaw] Best LSAT prep course
In-Reply-To: <1FBC4D9F-7934-440B-9733-269D6D55036D@gmail.com>
References: <1FBC4D9F-7934-440B-9733-269D6D55036D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAO+t8U2-ZH-RGiozm_B4+WHQA0U5Vx-YrmeQ6CRuWir7F8nWyw@mail.gmail.com>

Terrific. Sounds good. Thanks you page for the fast response and letting me
know. Was it tutoring format this organization you speak of crash course
group style live or recorded lessons?


I look forward to speaking with you further about this matter.


My number is .



Best,


On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 6:16 PM Paige via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Hi!
>
> I found 7sage to be poor in terms of the accessibility of the actual
> teaching videos.
>
>  I took a virtual class through educational testing consultants (they had
> a live teacher and live tutors/office hours - this really helped me improve
> due to better accessibility).
>
> Here is their email:
>
> info at etctestprep.com
>
> Also, I’d be happy to chat about LSAT accommodations and law school in
> general.
>
>
> Paige Miller
>
> > On Feb 19, 2024, at 6:46 PM, omar duncan via BlindLaw <
> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > Hi folks.
> >
> > I hope everyone having a good evening.
> >
> > Does anyone know and have intel on the best crash courses for LSAT or
> prep
> > course.
> >
> > The criterion  of what is considered
> > Good for prep  course is how efficient it is at prepping and teaching for
> > the exam.
> >
> > I am open to platform as well that balance quality and price  and
> > accessibility?
> > Right now I am on 7Sage but I am informed by people that  blue print is
> > also good? Any other providers out there?
> >
> > Any thoughts and insights are helpful and appreciated
> >
> >
> > Thanks for your attention.
> >
> >
> > Best,
> > Brian
> > _______________________________________________
> > BlindLaw mailing list
> > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> BlindLaw:
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From paigecmiller6 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 20 02:42:31 2024
From: paigecmiller6 at gmail.com (Paige)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2024 19:42:31 -0700
Subject: [blindLaw] Best LSAT prep course
In-Reply-To: <CAO+t8U2-ZH-RGiozm_B4+WHQA0U5Vx-YrmeQ6CRuWir7F8nWyw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO+t8U2-ZH-RGiozm_B4+WHQA0U5Vx-YrmeQ6CRuWir7F8nWyw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B86777BC-E008-47B6-A709-090385D63BA9@gmail.com>

It was hosted over Zoom, but it was live teacher/students. They also recorded the lessons so you could go back and watch at any time! 

The office hours were also live 1-1 at certain times throughout the week

Paige Miller

> On Feb 19, 2024, at 7:24 PM, omar duncan via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Terrific. Sounds good. Thanks you page for the fast response and letting me
> know. Was it tutoring format this organization you speak of crash course
> group style live or recorded lessons?
> 
> 
> I look forward to speaking with you further about this matter.
> 
> 
> My number is .
> 
> 
> 
> Best,
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 6:16 PM Paige via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> 
>> I found 7sage to be poor in terms of the accessibility of the actual
>> teaching videos.
>> 
>> I took a virtual class through educational testing consultants (they had
>> a live teacher and live tutors/office hours - this really helped me improve
>> due to better accessibility).
>> 
>> Here is their email:
>> 
>> info at etctestprep.com
>> 
>> Also, I’d be happy to chat about LSAT accommodations and law school in
>> general.
>> 
>> 
>> Paige Miller
>> 
>>> On Feb 19, 2024, at 6:46 PM, omar duncan via BlindLaw <
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi folks.
>>> 
>>> I hope everyone having a good evening.
>>> 
>>> Does anyone know and have intel on the best crash courses for LSAT or
>> prep
>>> course.
>>> 
>>> The criterion  of what is considered
>>> Good for prep  course is how efficient it is at prepping and teaching for
>>> the exam.
>>> 
>>> I am open to platform as well that balance quality and price  and
>>> accessibility?
>>> Right now I am on 7Sage but I am informed by people that  blue print is
>>> also good? Any other providers out there?
>>> 
>>> Any thoughts and insights are helpful and appreciated
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your attention.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Brian
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> BlindLaw mailing list
>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> BlindLaw:
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From natasha.ishaq2001 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 20 03:05:21 2024
From: natasha.ishaq2001 at gmail.com (Natasha Ishaq)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2024 22:05:21 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Best LSAT prep course
In-Reply-To: <CAO+t8U2U+7AucqZqMR+8ZU-U2s51_A9ix6PfFfa5QLMbP5PCdw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO+t8U2U+7AucqZqMR+8ZU-U2s51_A9ix6PfFfa5QLMbP5PCdw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPi4z4G7h0FnUR8an3Au=daWO_y5Sy7Td3HRpFNrCrHYp9Fyng@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Brian,

I took the LSAT in November 2023 and then again tis past January. I found
PowerScore to be helpful. I purchased their Bible Trilogy, which includes
the Logic Games Bible, Logical Reasoning Bible and Reading Comprehension
Bible. PowerScore provided me with screen reader accessible versions of
each book. PowerScore also offers free virtual webinars several times a
month. Each webinar covers a specific skill you will need for the exam by
exploring different types of questions you will see on the test. They also
offer “Crystal Ball” sessions in which they predict what future
administrations of the LSAT will look like. I can confirm that their
predications are usually very accurate.  You can view and register for
these webinars with this link:
https://powerscore.com/freeseminars?UTM_BU=PowerScore&UTM_Format=Online&UTM_Medium=PaidSearch&utm_term=&utm_campaign=PowerScore-G-All-All-SE-All-PMax.Publications-All&utm_source=adwords&utm_medium=ppc&hsa_acc=7860414080&hsa_cam=20554197790&hsa_grp=&hsa_ad=&hsa_src=x&hsa_tgt=&hsa_kw=&hsa_mt=&hsa_net=adwords&hsa_ver=3&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAiAlcyuBhBnEiwAOGZ2S5s88VXrN6SqS6iDwkzj9bNZbT5eO54hNVW9OGvnuoNj9q8K7_1MpBoC6j4QAvD_BwE


Hope this is helpful!

Warm Regards,
Natasha


On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 8:46 PM omar duncan via BlindLaw <
blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi folks.
>
> I hope everyone having a good evening.
>
> Does anyone know and have intel on the best crash courses for LSAT or prep
> course.
>
> The criterion  of what is considered
>  Good for prep  course is how efficient it is at prepping and teaching for
> the exam.
>
> I am open to platform as well that balance quality and price  and
>  accessibility?
> Right now I am on 7Sage but I am informed by people that  blue print is
> also good? Any other providers out there?
>
> Any thoughts and insights are helpful and appreciated
>
>
> Thanks for your attention.
>
>
> Best,
> Brian
> _______________________________________________
> BlindLaw mailing list
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From maurakutnyak at gmail.com  Tue Feb 20 11:12:21 2024
From: maurakutnyak at gmail.com (Maura Kutnyak)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2024 06:12:21 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Best LSAT prep course
In-Reply-To: <B86777BC-E008-47B6-A709-090385D63BA9@gmail.com>
References: <B86777BC-E008-47B6-A709-090385D63BA9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A7C35779-745A-4340-BEE5-F9DBE4E0A1B0@gmail.com>

Hi Omar,

The only resource I used in preparation to take the LSAT was Khan Academy. I was using their tests and other prep materials in the spring and summer of 2019. At that time it was totally free. If I remember correctly, they recycled material from previous LSATs provided by the NCBE. Their platform was usable and accessible on my iOS devices and.on my PC using JAWS.  Please reach out if you want to chat. My number is below my name at the bottom.

Warmly,

Maura Kutnyak Esq.
716-563-9882

> On Feb 19, 2024, at 9:43 PM, Paige via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> It was hosted over Zoom, but it was live teacher/students. They also recorded the lessons so you could go back and watch at any time! 
> 
> The office hours were also live 1-1 at certain times throughout the week
> 
> Paige Miller
> 
>> On Feb 19, 2024, at 7:24 PM, omar duncan via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Terrific. Sounds good. Thanks you page for the fast response and letting me
>> know. Was it tutoring format this organization you speak of crash course
>> group style live or recorded lessons?
>> 
>> 
>> I look forward to speaking with you further about this matter.
>> 
>> 
>> My number is 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 6:16 PM Paige via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> 
>>> I found 7sage to be poor in terms of the accessibility of the actual
>>> teaching videos.
>>> 
>>> I took a virtual class through educational testing consultants (they had
>>> a live teacher and live tutors/office hours - this really helped me improve
>>> due to better accessibility).
>>> 
>>> Here is their email:
>>> 
>>> info at etctestprep.com
>>> 
>>> Also, I’d be happy to chat about LSAT accommodations and law school in
>>> general.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Paige Miller
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 19, 2024, at 6:46 PM, omar duncan via BlindLaw <
>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Hi folks.
>>>> 
>>>> I hope everyone having a good evening.
>>>> 
>>>> Does anyone know and have intel on the best crash courses for LSAT or
>>> prep
>>>> course.
>>>> 
>>>> The criterion  of what is considered
>>>> Good for prep  course is how efficient it is at prepping and teaching for
>>>> the exam.
>>>> 
>>>> I am open to platform as well that balance quality and price  and
>>>> accessibility?
>>>> Right now I am on 7Sage but I am informed by people that  blue print is
>>>> also good? Any other providers out there?
>>>> 
>>>> Any thoughts and insights are helpful and appreciated
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for your attention.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> Brian
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> BlindLaw mailing list
>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> BlindLaw:
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From nssulca at gmail.com  Tue Feb 20 13:11:06 2024
From: nssulca at gmail.com (Natalia Sulca)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2024 08:11:06 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] [blind Law] Best LSAT prep course
In-Reply-To: <CAPi4z4G7h0FnUR8an3Au=daWO_y5Sy7Td3HRpFNrCrHYp9Fyng@mail.gmail.com>
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Hello,
I took the LSAT in June 2023 
I also have these 3 books and they are a great resource. What helped me the most though was going on the LSAC website and doing the practice tests, reading my chosen answers and comparing them with the correct answer. Understanding what I got wrong and why depending on the section made all the difference for me personally.. The bibles reiterate the formats of the questions and what they are looking for in extreme detail without needing visuals. Feel free to write to me privately if you require more assistance.
Good luck!
Best,
Natalia Sulca 

-----Original Message-----
From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Natasha Ishaq via BlindLaw
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2024 10:05 PM
To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Natasha Ishaq <natasha.ishaq2001 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Best LSAT prep course

Hi Brian,

I took the LSAT in November 2023 and then again tis past January. I found PowerScore to be helpful. I purchased their Bible Trilogy, which includes the Logic Games Bible, Logical Reasoning Bible and Reading Comprehension Bible. PowerScore provided me with screen reader accessible versions of each book. PowerScore also offers free virtual webinars several times a month. Each webinar covers a specific skill you will need for the exam by exploring different types of questions you will see on the test. They also offer “Crystal Ball” sessions in which they predict what future administrations of the LSAT will look like. I can confirm that their predications are usually very accurate.  You can view and register for these webinars with this link:
https://powerscore.com/freeseminars?UTM_BU=PowerScore&UTM_Format=Online&UTM_Medium=PaidSearch&utm_term=&utm_campaign=PowerScore-G-All-All-SE-All-PMax.Publications-All&utm_source=adwords&utm_medium=ppc&hsa_acc=7860414080&hsa_cam=20554197790&hsa_grp=&hsa_ad=&hsa_src=x&hsa_tgt=&hsa_kw=&hsa_mt=&hsa_net=adwords&hsa_ver=3&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAiAlcyuBhBnEiwAOGZ2S5s88VXrN6SqS6iDwkzj9bNZbT5eO54hNVW9OGvnuoNj9q8K7_1MpBoC6j4QAvD_BwE


Hope this is helpful!

Warm Regards,
Natasha


On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 8:46 PM omar duncan via BlindLaw < blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi folks.
>
> I hope everyone having a good evening.
>
> Does anyone know and have intel on the best crash courses for LSAT or 
> prep course.
>
> The criterion  of what is considered
>  Good for prep  course is how efficient it is at prepping and teaching 
> for the exam.
>
> I am open to platform as well that balance quality and price  and  
> accessibility?
> Right now I am on 7Sage but I am informed by people that  blue print 
> is also good? Any other providers out there?
>
> Any thoughts and insights are helpful and appreciated
>
>
> Thanks for your attention.
>
>
> Best,
> Brian
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From kaybaycar at gmail.com  Tue Feb 20 17:31:23 2024
From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie A. Orozco)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2024 12:31:23 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] [blind Law] Best LSAT prep course
In-Reply-To: <04e301da63fe$43a7e2d0$caf7a870$@gmail.com>
References: <CAO+t8U2U+7AucqZqMR+8ZU-U2s51_A9ix6PfFfa5QLMbP5PCdw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPi4z4G7h0FnUR8an3Au=daWO_y5Sy7Td3HRpFNrCrHYp9Fyng@mail.gmail.com>
 <04e301da63fe$43a7e2d0$caf7a870$@gmail.com>
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Good afternoon,

I also used Khan Academy. It was free, accessible, and built me a
schedule based on when I was planning to take the LSAT. I also would
like to note that I could reset the clock to double time, so I never
had the clock running out on me while I was taking the tests.

I started with the Power Score books to give me an overview and tips
for how to do each type of question. Those were very helpful when
learning the initial material. After that, I just needed lots and lots
of practice questions. In my experience, the Power Score books were
not as helpful at teaching the logic games because their explanations
seemed too visual to me. But I found my own way of doing them that
worked for me.

Hope this helps,

Julie


On 2/20/24, Natalia Sulca via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello,
> I took the LSAT in June 2023
> I also have these 3 books and they are a great resource. What helped me the
> most though was going on the LSAC website and doing the practice tests,
> reading my chosen answers and comparing them with the correct answer.
> Understanding what I got wrong and why depending on the section made all the
> difference for me personally.. The bibles reiterate the formats of the
> questions and what they are looking for in extreme detail without needing
> visuals. Feel free to write to me privately if you require more assistance.
> Good luck!
> Best,
> Natalia Sulca
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Natasha Ishaq via
> BlindLaw
> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2024 10:05 PM
> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Natasha Ishaq <natasha.ishaq2001 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Best LSAT prep course
>
> Hi Brian,
>
> I took the LSAT in November 2023 and then again tis past January. I found
> PowerScore to be helpful. I purchased their Bible Trilogy, which includes
> the Logic Games Bible, Logical Reasoning Bible and Reading Comprehension
> Bible. PowerScore provided me with screen reader accessible versions of each
> book. PowerScore also offers free virtual webinars several times a month.
> Each webinar covers a specific skill you will need for the exam by exploring
> different types of questions you will see on the test. They also offer
> “Crystal Ball” sessions in which they predict what future administrations of
> the LSAT will look like. I can confirm that their predications are usually
> very accurate.  You can view and register for these webinars with this link:
> https://powerscore.com/freeseminars?UTM_BU=PowerScore&UTM_Format=Online&UTM_Medium=PaidSearch&utm_term=&utm_campaign=PowerScore-G-All-All-SE-All-PMax.Publications-All&utm_source=adwords&utm_medium=ppc&hsa_acc=7860414080&hsa_cam=20554197790&hsa_grp=&hsa_ad=&hsa_src=x&hsa_tgt=&hsa_kw=&hsa_mt=&hsa_net=adwords&hsa_ver=3&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAiAlcyuBhBnEiwAOGZ2S5s88VXrN6SqS6iDwkzj9bNZbT5eO54hNVW9OGvnuoNj9q8K7_1MpBoC6j4QAvD_BwE
>
>
> Hope this is helpful!
>
> Warm Regards,
> Natasha
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 8:46 PM omar duncan via BlindLaw <
> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi folks.
>>
>> I hope everyone having a good evening.
>>
>> Does anyone know and have intel on the best crash courses for LSAT or
>> prep course.
>>
>> The criterion  of what is considered
>>  Good for prep  course is how efficient it is at prepping and teaching
>> for the exam.
>>
>> I am open to platform as well that balance quality and price  and
>> accessibility?
>> Right now I am on 7Sage but I am informed by people that  blue print
>> is also good? Any other providers out there?
>>
>> Any thoughts and insights are helpful and appreciated
>>
>>
>> Thanks for your attention.
>>
>>
>> Best,
>> Brian
>> _______________________________________________
>> BlindLaw mailing list
>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
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-- 
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MM Vocal Performance, 2015; American University Washington College of
Law, JD Candidate 2023


From oduncan821 at gmail.com  Fri Feb 23 23:55:12 2024
From: oduncan821 at gmail.com (omar duncan)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2024 15:55:12 -0800
Subject: [blindLaw] Scholarships (internal within school) and aid and grants
Message-ID: <CAO+t8U1S7uGunLNwF1PxYvEqfPyWdXrVRsngVb64KSbDMXkucw@mail.gmail.com>

Hey all good afternoon and evening to everyone.

I hope everyone doing good and week coming to a good wrap.


For law school, beyond any scholarships that the school might offer for
good lsat or other factors like gpa, are there any other circumstances in
which law schools would offer scholarships like for being disabled and
independent (tax wise) or for involvement in extra curricular activities.



Additionally, beyond aid, scholarships, and grants offered by law school
itself, are there any organizations affiliated with law schools or
completely external and in related to law school that might offer grants
and aids and scholarships both for visually impaired lawyers and regular
grants and scholarships not specific to being disabled  or   Visually
impaired?


Are there are any organizations like state vocational rehabilitation
agencies that can assist or other organizations related to disabled people?

Also when it comes to the scope of aid and scholarship that can be offered,
what is better—non profit law school or for profit law schools?


I am assuming non profit because those schools can legally raise funds and
stuff?



Either way.. any intel or direction I may be provided regarding grants and
scholarships and other monetary things related to assisting with law school
, I greatly appreciate any advice and assistance.




Thank you all for your attention and I am delighted at those of you who
have made it this far in reading this I appreciate your time and effort.

I believe this question would benefit everyone currently attending law
school, and people like myself in the process of pursuing law school.


I would like to thank you guys for your attention in any assistance and
feedback you are all able to provide in advance.

 I wish you guys all a good weekend.

Best regards,

From oduncan821 at gmail.com  Sat Feb 24 00:00:59 2024
From: oduncan821 at gmail.com (omar duncan)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2024 16:00:59 -0800
Subject: [blindLaw] For profit law school or non-profit law school.
Message-ID: <CAO+t8U3XtPRhBgFambvU3rG+Ydnz-L162Gz=YPYGTs9W7spk9Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all, good afternoon/good evening.


Quick questions and appreciate any assistance. You guys may be able to
provide based on knowledge and experiences.

Do any of you guys know if it is better to go between nonprofit law school
a for-profit law school?

Or does it not matter as long as the school is ABA accredited and it is not
super expensive for what you’re getting in return and distance and all
those other factors?

What factors would you guys consider in the law school you guys choose to
attend?

ABA accreditation versus state bar accreditation?

Price?

Status?— Also known as reputation of being able to secure a solid job after
graduation?

Distance?

The availability of funds for scholarships and grants?

The ability of the school to accommodate visual disabilities?

The student atmosphere?

The grading Policies?

The specific things the school is known for?

Are these all questions running through your heads who are considering law
school or were these criterion and factors  apart of the consideration
process for my colleagues in this chat  currently in school at the moment?

Any feedback is appreciated

From oduncan821 at gmail.com  Sat Feb 24 00:03:35 2024
From: oduncan821 at gmail.com (omar duncan)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2024 16:03:35 -0800
Subject: [blindLaw] [blind Law] Best LSAT prep course
In-Reply-To: <CAHox4DK9BXGKA7ToYtgmucs+xP67_+c5X6Au=RJzka3UuAsroA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO+t8U2U+7AucqZqMR+8ZU-U2s51_A9ix6PfFfa5QLMbP5PCdw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPi4z4G7h0FnUR8an3Au=daWO_y5Sy7Td3HRpFNrCrHYp9Fyng@mail.gmail.com>
 <04e301da63fe$43a7e2d0$caf7a870$@gmail.com>
 <CAHox4DK9BXGKA7ToYtgmucs+xP67_+c5X6Au=RJzka3UuAsroA@mail.gmail.com>
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Hey Julie. Awesome.

Thanks for sharing.

Yeah, I like the free aspect of Khan Academy. I like how they have a lot of
official LSAC questions within their database.

However, compared to these other prep courses, like 7Sage and blueprint,
lsat demon, I found that the depth for the different theories and
fundamental topics is way less.

I guess that is because it is free though.

Thank you a lot for the Bible book suggestion. Did you get the books or did
you use PDFs of the books?

Thanks,
.

On Tue, Feb 20, 2024 at 9:32 AM Julie A. Orozco via BlindLaw <
blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Good afternoon,
>
> I also used Khan Academy. It was free, accessible, and built me a
> schedule based on when I was planning to take the LSAT. I also would
> like to note that I could reset the clock to double time, so I never
> had the clock running out on me while I was taking the tests.
>
> I started with the Power Score books to give me an overview and tips
> for how to do each type of question. Those were very helpful when
> learning the initial material. After that, I just needed lots and lots
> of practice questions. In my experience, the Power Score books were
> not as helpful at teaching the logic games because their explanations
> seemed too visual to me. But I found my own way of doing them that
> worked for me.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Julie
>
>
> On 2/20/24, Natalia Sulca via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > Hello,
> > I took the LSAT in June 2023
> > I also have these 3 books and they are a great resource. What helped me
> the
> > most though was going on the LSAC website and doing the practice tests,
> > reading my chosen answers and comparing them with the correct answer.
> > Understanding what I got wrong and why depending on the section made all
> the
> > difference for me personally.. The bibles reiterate the formats of the
> > questions and what they are looking for in extreme detail without needing
> > visuals. Feel free to write to me privately if you require more
> assistance.
> > Good luck!
> > Best,
> > Natalia Sulca
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Natasha Ishaq
> via
> > BlindLaw
> > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2024 10:05 PM
> > To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: Natasha Ishaq <natasha.ishaq2001 at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Best LSAT prep course
> >
> > Hi Brian,
> >
> > I took the LSAT in November 2023 and then again tis past January. I found
> > PowerScore to be helpful. I purchased their Bible Trilogy, which includes
> > the Logic Games Bible, Logical Reasoning Bible and Reading Comprehension
> > Bible. PowerScore provided me with screen reader accessible versions of
> each
> > book. PowerScore also offers free virtual webinars several times a month.
> > Each webinar covers a specific skill you will need for the exam by
> exploring
> > different types of questions you will see on the test. They also offer
> > “Crystal Ball” sessions in which they predict what future
> administrations of
> > the LSAT will look like. I can confirm that their predications are
> usually
> > very accurate.  You can view and register for these webinars with this
> link:
> >
> https://powerscore.com/freeseminars?UTM_BU=PowerScore&UTM_Format=Online&UTM_Medium=PaidSearch&utm_term=&utm_campaign=PowerScore-G-All-All-SE-All-PMax.Publications-All&utm_source=adwords&utm_medium=ppc&hsa_acc=7860414080&hsa_cam=20554197790&hsa_grp=&hsa_ad=&hsa_src=x&hsa_tgt=&hsa_kw=&hsa_mt=&hsa_net=adwords&hsa_ver=3&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAiAlcyuBhBnEiwAOGZ2S5s88VXrN6SqS6iDwkzj9bNZbT5eO54hNVW9OGvnuoNj9q8K7_1MpBoC6j4QAvD_BwE
> >
> >
> > Hope this is helpful!
> >
> > Warm Regards,
> > Natasha
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 8:46 PM omar duncan via BlindLaw <
> > blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi folks.
> >>
> >> I hope everyone having a good evening.
> >>
> >> Does anyone know and have intel on the best crash courses for LSAT or
> >> prep course.
> >>
> >> The criterion  of what is considered
> >>  Good for prep  course is how efficient it is at prepping and teaching
> >> for the exam.
> >>
> >> I am open to platform as well that balance quality and price  and
> >> accessibility?
> >> Right now I am on 7Sage but I am informed by people that  blue print
> >> is also good? Any other providers out there?
> >>
> >> Any thoughts and insights are helpful and appreciated
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks for your attention.
> >>
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> Brian
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> BlindLaw mailing list
> >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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> >> 1%40gmail.com
> >>
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>
> --
> Julie A. Orozco
> MM Vocal Performance, 2015; American University Washington College of
> Law, JD Candidate 2023
>
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From oduncan821 at gmail.com  Sat Feb 24 00:06:56 2024
From: oduncan821 at gmail.com (omar duncan)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2024 16:06:56 -0800
Subject: [blindLaw] [blind Law] Best LSAT prep course
In-Reply-To: <04e301da63fe$43a7e2d0$caf7a870$@gmail.com>
References: <CAO+t8U2U+7AucqZqMR+8ZU-U2s51_A9ix6PfFfa5QLMbP5PCdw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPi4z4G7h0FnUR8an3Au=daWO_y5Sy7Td3HRpFNrCrHYp9Fyng@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAO+t8U1L=iBp67tv3rXijjDwUJgPKep2Q=7HfOfc+JtPpteHeQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Natalia, good evening.



Thanks for your contribution and your time and thoughtful answer.

Does the LSAC website provide explanations to the questions or just the
official practice test?

I always thought in assumes they just have the practice tests with no
explanations.


As far as the power score Bible books, did you get the newest version or do
the older versions work too because I found the newer versions to be more
expensive?

I definitely agree with what you said about taking the practice test,
getting questions, wrong, and senior mistakes as that is a good way to
ensure growth and understanding?

Thanks for your contributions and feedback. Able to provide a follow up
answers at your convenience. (no rush at all). I’d appreciate it greatly.

Thanks again for your attention and assistance.

Take care and have a good weekend.

Best regards,
Brian.



On Tue, Feb 20, 2024 at 5:12 AM Natalia Sulca via BlindLaw <
blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hello,
> I took the LSAT in June 2023
> I also have these 3 books and they are a great resource. What helped me
> the most though was going on the LSAC website and doing the practice tests,
> reading my chosen answers and comparing them with the correct answer.
> Understanding what I got wrong and why depending on the section made all
> the difference for me personally.. The bibles reiterate the formats of the
> questions and what they are looking for in extreme detail without needing
> visuals. Feel free to write to me privately if you require more assistance.
> Good luck!
> Best,
> Natalia Sulca
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Natasha Ishaq
> via BlindLaw
> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2024 10:05 PM
> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Natasha Ishaq <natasha.ishaq2001 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Best LSAT prep course
>
> Hi Brian,
>
> I took the LSAT in November 2023 and then again tis past January. I found
> PowerScore to be helpful. I purchased their Bible Trilogy, which includes
> the Logic Games Bible, Logical Reasoning Bible and Reading Comprehension
> Bible. PowerScore provided me with screen reader accessible versions of
> each book. PowerScore also offers free virtual webinars several times a
> month. Each webinar covers a specific skill you will need for the exam by
> exploring different types of questions you will see on the test. They also
> offer “Crystal Ball” sessions in which they predict what future
> administrations of the LSAT will look like. I can confirm that their
> predications are usually very accurate.  You can view and register for
> these webinars with this link:
>
> https://powerscore.com/freeseminars?UTM_BU=PowerScore&UTM_Format=Online&UTM_Medium=PaidSearch&utm_term=&utm_campaign=PowerScore-G-All-All-SE-All-PMax.Publications-All&utm_source=adwords&utm_medium=ppc&hsa_acc=7860414080&hsa_cam=20554197790&hsa_grp=&hsa_ad=&hsa_src=x&hsa_tgt=&hsa_kw=&hsa_mt=&hsa_net=adwords&hsa_ver=3&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAiAlcyuBhBnEiwAOGZ2S5s88VXrN6SqS6iDwkzj9bNZbT5eO54hNVW9OGvnuoNj9q8K7_1MpBoC6j4QAvD_BwE
>
>
> Hope this is helpful!
>
> Warm Regards,
> Natasha
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 8:46 PM omar duncan via BlindLaw <
> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi folks.
> >
> > I hope everyone having a good evening.
> >
> > Does anyone know and have intel on the best crash courses for LSAT or
> > prep course.
> >
> > The criterion  of what is considered
> >  Good for prep  course is how efficient it is at prepping and teaching
> > for the exam.
> >
> > I am open to platform as well that balance quality and price  and
> > accessibility?
> > Right now I am on 7Sage but I am informed by people that  blue print
> > is also good? Any other providers out there?
> >
> > Any thoughts and insights are helpful and appreciated
> >
> >
> > Thanks for your attention.
> >
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From laurenbishop96 at icloud.com  Sat Feb 24 00:07:17 2024
From: laurenbishop96 at icloud.com (Lauren Bishop)
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2024 19:07:17 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Scholarships (internal within school) and aid and
 grants
In-Reply-To: <CAO+t8U1S7uGunLNwF1PxYvEqfPyWdXrVRsngVb64KSbDMXkucw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO+t8U1S7uGunLNwF1PxYvEqfPyWdXrVRsngVb64KSbDMXkucw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6BA331E9-0D10-4CAF-B6F6-603219624E63@icloud.com>

Hello,
As a graduate student, you are going to be considered independent. The only federal financial aid that you will be able to get is unsubsidized loans. Granson scholarships may be awarded based on merit based on your school. There is a lot of controversy surrounding for profit law schools. A lot of them don’t have very good bar, pass rates and their accreditation With the ABA is at risk. You are going to have a very difficult time getting any employment if your school is not accredited, so definitely go for the nonprofit schools and make sure that they are accredited. There are some law schools out there that aren’t accredited, but I don’t think that Volk rehab has to pay for those.   I don’t really understand Volk rehab, but what I’ve been told is that if it is that you want to be an attorney, Volk rehab should pay for your schooling. They will have their own rules on what they will pay for. You can get Merrit based scholarships. I also applied for a lot of need-based aid that my school Allowed students to apply for during their time in school.   
Also, I’m sure the LSAT still has their fee waiver program. If you are interested in taking the test soon, I would go ahead and apply for that. The worst they can say is no.  

From nikki.singh at aya.yale.edu  Sat Feb 24 15:18:51 2024
From: nikki.singh at aya.yale.edu (Nikki Singh)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2024 10:18:51 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] For profit law school or non-profit law school.
In-Reply-To: <CAO+t8U3XtPRhBgFambvU3rG+Ydnz-L162Gz=YPYGTs9W7spk9Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO+t8U3XtPRhBgFambvU3rG+Ydnz-L162Gz=YPYGTs9W7spk9Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADv2uYmXEoyiyXMQPwLUA-H_Q7L_Tff3+rO78rvA+Q3NWCCo1A@mail.gmail.com>

This may come off as elitist and is not meant to be as such. I am
speaking after watching folks from various law schools in my cohort
pursue life and goals after graduation. I know my observations are
still going to be more anecdotal than statistically rigorous, but just
remember it is one perspective among many:

You want to attend the absolute best accredited law school that you
can. It pays major dividends later when you are seeking a clerkship,
searching for a fulltime job, or forming a network of other legal
professionals. Usually the top schools--I mean in the T14 category and
a few steps near there using the traditional ranking system--offer
decent options for the other factors you outlined: financial aid,
accommodations, student atmosphere. Distance should not be a primary
factor in my opinion, but it can or has to be depending on your
situation of course. I understand people are going to be in different
places in life when they decide to apply for and go to law school.

Law school is not just a degree-granting institution. It is a
professional school after which you will be expected to obtain and
maintain a license. The school you attend should be able to put you in
a situation where you can do this for many years to come, otherwise it
is not worth it.

One final note on accreditation, please do not even consider an
unaccredited school. You will have more challenges than usual in
getting admitted to the bar. But beyond the practical post-graduation
consequences, the professors at such schools are not going to be the
best instructors. Law is already difficult, and you should not
compound that with subpar tuition, especially when you are paying a
lot of money for it!

Sincerely,
Nikki

On 2/23/24, omar duncan via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all, good afternoon/good evening.
>
>
> Quick questions and appreciate any assistance. You guys may be able to
> provide based on knowledge and experiences.
>
> Do any of you guys know if it is better to go between nonprofit law school
> a for-profit law school?
>
> Or does it not matter as long as the school is ABA accredited and it is not
> super expensive for what you’re getting in return and distance and all
> those other factors?
>
> What factors would you guys consider in the law school you guys choose to
> attend?
>
> ABA accreditation versus state bar accreditation?
>
> Price?
>
> Status?— Also known as reputation of being able to secure a solid job after
> graduation?
>
> Distance?
>
> The availability of funds for scholarships and grants?
>
> The ability of the school to accommodate visual disabilities?
>
> The student atmosphere?
>
> The grading Policies?
>
> The specific things the school is known for?
>
> Are these all questions running through your heads who are considering law
> school or were these criterion and factors  apart of the consideration
> process for my colleagues in this chat  currently in school at the moment?
>
> Any feedback is appreciated
> _______________________________________________
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From nikki.singh at aya.yale.edu  Sat Feb 24 15:26:14 2024
From: nikki.singh at aya.yale.edu (Nikki Singh)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2024 10:26:14 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Scholarships (internal within school) and aid and
 grants
In-Reply-To: <CAO+t8U1S7uGunLNwF1PxYvEqfPyWdXrVRsngVb64KSbDMXkucw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO+t8U1S7uGunLNwF1PxYvEqfPyWdXrVRsngVb64KSbDMXkucw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADv2uYkfOh7FNdCtRpZSHgfz1efAcfuWVd0jFdWOBj17pmBexg@mail.gmail.com>

I used a combination of financial aid, student loans, NFB
scholarships, and whatever internal scholarships that my law school
gave me. That last item refers to a specific scholarship given to
students who majored in literature during college and then went to
attend law school. I have no idea how voc rehab works and did not use
it at all after grade school. If you search on Google, you should be
able to find scholarships that give money to a variety of student
populations, including minorities and those with visual and print
disabilities. They are all fair game if you meet the basic eligibility
requirements.

Sincerely,
Nikki

On 2/23/24, omar duncan via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hey all good afternoon and evening to everyone.
>
> I hope everyone doing good and week coming to a good wrap.
>
>
> For law school, beyond any scholarships that the school might offer for
> good lsat or other factors like gpa, are there any other circumstances in
> which law schools would offer scholarships like for being disabled and
> independent (tax wise) or for involvement in extra curricular activities.
>
>
>
> Additionally, beyond aid, scholarships, and grants offered by law school
> itself, are there any organizations affiliated with law schools or
> completely external and in related to law school that might offer grants
> and aids and scholarships both for visually impaired lawyers and regular
> grants and scholarships not specific to being disabled  or   Visually
> impaired?
>
>
> Are there are any organizations like state vocational rehabilitation
> agencies that can assist or other organizations related to disabled people?
>
> Also when it comes to the scope of aid and scholarship that can be offered,
> what is better—non profit law school or for profit law schools?
>
>
> I am assuming non profit because those schools can legally raise funds and
> stuff?
>
>
>
> Either way.. any intel or direction I may be provided regarding grants and
> scholarships and other monetary things related to assisting with law school
> , I greatly appreciate any advice and assistance.
>
>
>
>
> Thank you all for your attention and I am delighted at those of you who
> have made it this far in reading this I appreciate your time and effort.
>
> I believe this question would benefit everyone currently attending law
> school, and people like myself in the process of pursuing law school.
>
>
> I would like to thank you guys for your attention in any assistance and
> feedback you are all able to provide in advance.
>
>  I wish you guys all a good weekend.
>
> Best regards,
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From oduncan821 at gmail.com  Sat Feb 24 18:23:22 2024
From: oduncan821 at gmail.com (omar duncan)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2024 10:23:22 -0800
Subject: [blindLaw] For profit law school or non-profit law school.
In-Reply-To: <CADv2uYmXEoyiyXMQPwLUA-H_Q7L_Tff3+rO78rvA+Q3NWCCo1A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO+t8U3XtPRhBgFambvU3rG+Ydnz-L162Gz=YPYGTs9W7spk9Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADv2uYmXEoyiyXMQPwLUA-H_Q7L_Tff3+rO78rvA+Q3NWCCo1A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAO+t8U2=g=GJzFUoDjgU7VJD0iS6Ek87CK=m4CqSJ-ORbknA4Q@mail.gmail.com>

Very true Greta insights and thanks a lot. Thanks for spelling all of this
out.


When you say unaccredited , I totally agree . And that is out of the
question? What about schools not aba accredited but state bar accredited
(meaning I can only get a bar in that state)?

Does that fall in the same category of unaccredited ?

Or would those state bar only accredited schools be in the same category as
“unaccredited” in terms of job outlook and bar passage rates  and all of
that stuff  but just a tad better ?


Thanks again,

Best,

On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 7:20 AM Nikki Singh via BlindLaw <
blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> This may come off as elitist and is not meant to be as such. I am
> speaking after watching folks from various law schools in my cohort
> pursue life and goals after graduation. I know my observations are
> still going to be more anecdotal than statistically rigorous, but just
> remember it is one perspective among many:
>
> You want to attend the absolute best accredited law school that you
> can. It pays major dividends later when you are seeking a clerkship,
> searching for a fulltime job, or forming a network of other legal
> professionals. Usually the top schools--I mean in the T14 category and
> a few steps near there using the traditional ranking system--offer
> decent options for the other factors you outlined: financial aid,
> accommodations, student atmosphere. Distance should not be a primary
> factor in my opinion, but it can or has to be depending on your
> situation of course. I understand people are going to be in different
> places in life when they decide to apply for and go to law school.
>
> Law school is not just a degree-granting institution. It is a
> professional school after which you will be expected to obtain and
> maintain a license. The school you attend should be able to put you in
> a situation where you can do this for many years to come, otherwise it
> is not worth it.
>
> One final note on accreditation, please do not even consider an
> unaccredited school. You will have more challenges than usual in
> getting admitted to the bar. But beyond the practical post-graduation
> consequences, the professors at such schools are not going to be the
> best instructors. Law is already difficult, and you should not
> compound that with subpar tuition, especially when you are paying a
> lot of money for it!
>
> Sincerely,
> Nikki
>
> On 2/23/24, omar duncan via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > Hi all, good afternoon/good evening.
> >
> >
> > Quick questions and appreciate any assistance. You guys may be able to
> > provide based on knowledge and experiences.
> >
> > Do any of you guys know if it is better to go between nonprofit law
> school
> > a for-profit law school?
> >
> > Or does it not matter as long as the school is ABA accredited and it is
> not
> > super expensive for what you’re getting in return and distance and all
> > those other factors?
> >
> > What factors would you guys consider in the law school you guys choose to
> > attend?
> >
> > ABA accreditation versus state bar accreditation?
> >
> > Price?
> >
> > Status?— Also known as reputation of being able to secure a solid job
> after
> > graduation?
> >
> > Distance?
> >
> > The availability of funds for scholarships and grants?
> >
> > The ability of the school to accommodate visual disabilities?
> >
> > The student atmosphere?
> >
> > The grading Policies?
> >
> > The specific things the school is known for?
> >
> > Are these all questions running through your heads who are considering
> law
> > school or were these criterion and factors  apart of the consideration
> > process for my colleagues in this chat  currently in school at the
> moment?
> >
> > Any feedback is appreciated
> > _______________________________________________
> > BlindLaw mailing list
> > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
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From laurenbishop96 at icloud.com  Sat Feb 24 18:54:50 2024
From: laurenbishop96 at icloud.com (Lauren Bishop)
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2024 13:54:50 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] For profit law school or non-profit law school.
In-Reply-To: <CAO+t8U2=g=GJzFUoDjgU7VJD0iS6Ek87CK=m4CqSJ-ORbknA4Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO+t8U2=g=GJzFUoDjgU7VJD0iS6Ek87CK=m4CqSJ-ORbknA4Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6468C882-5591-4B92-8174-43D615FB7250@icloud.com>

> Stick to the ABA accredited law schools. He want the best opportunities for job prospects that you can after you finish that daunting educational pass.


From ellenharper23 at gmail.com  Mon Feb 26 14:27:17 2024
From: ellenharper23 at gmail.com (Ellen Harper)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2024 09:27:17 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Advice for Oral Arguments
Message-ID: <CAPwX30dJ7Qa+tpOGv7iQBCandjMqn_nn5t3k5ufL_dSX0cWP6Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

I am preparing for oral arguments in my legal practice class and was
wondering if anyone has advice on how to navigate being interrupted with
questions while not being able to quickly scan notes. Any advice would be
greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Ellen

From kyra.sweeney94 at gmail.com  Mon Feb 26 14:43:27 2024
From: kyra.sweeney94 at gmail.com (Kyra Sweeney)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2024 09:43:27 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Advice for Oral Arguments
In-Reply-To: <CAPwX30dJ7Qa+tpOGv7iQBCandjMqn_nn5t3k5ufL_dSX0cWP6Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPwX30dJ7Qa+tpOGv7iQBCandjMqn_nn5t3k5ufL_dSX0cWP6Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <09C8C2D1-8436-4CB4-9AAD-1CE6115540DF@gmail.com>

Hi Ellen,
I participated in moot court in law school. My strategy was to organize my notes so that I knew exactly what information I could find in each paragraph. I was reading my notes with a Braille display, and I used the navigate to next/previous paragraph feature quite a bit. I would also try to anticipate questions and have responses as close to memorized as possible.

Hope this helps. Feel free to contact me off-list at kyra.sweeney94 at gmail.com.

Best,
Kyra



> On Feb 26, 2024, at 9:28 AM, Ellen Harper via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I am preparing for oral arguments in my legal practice class and was
> wondering if anyone has advice on how to navigate being interrupted with
> questions while not being able to quickly scan notes. Any advice would be
> greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Ellen
> _______________________________________________
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From maurakutnyak at gmail.com  Mon Feb 26 15:49:51 2024
From: maurakutnyak at gmail.com (Maura Kutnyak)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2024 10:49:51 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Advice for Oral Arguments
In-Reply-To: <09C8C2D1-8436-4CB4-9AAD-1CE6115540DF@gmail.com>
References: <09C8C2D1-8436-4CB4-9AAD-1CE6115540DF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F3FD0EF9-0DA6-4C92-B684-6C79502D3403@gmail.com>

Hi Ellen,

My advice is based on a few different moot court experiences in law school, a couple courses on the topic of oral argument, and about six months practice as a public defender. So please weigh and measure what I have to say in relation to that background.

I have found that notes are mostly useful in preparation for oral argument. They allow an opportunity to organize and structure your arguments, more importantly, to identify the pieces that construct the hole. As you  write your argument, consider making headings for each major point and  minor sub points. Doing this in word, and using JAWS, I’m able to turn on quick keys and jump from heading to heading using the letter H. So on the rare occasion that I have the presence of mind and patience to search for information during argument, I can quickly jump through the major pieces. 

I think that it’s important to not be too locked into your notes, and the linear path that they demand. If you can think of your argument is more of a puzzle made of pieces, when those questions come along and throw you off track, you can jump to one of the other pieces of your argument , without as much disruption to the flow. This is because the points exist independently of each other in your mind. You just have to be OK with not following the path that the notes layout.

I also always strive to practice the argument out loud in as many contexts and in front of as many different people as possible. But also just doing the argument while making dinner, or in the shower really helps the information settle more deeply into your memory. I think there’s a kinesthetic component for me as well, moving around, moving my hands a bit creates a mind-body connection that the information can attach to.

Finally, I guess just understanding that your oral arguments will never be perfect because your standards, each of our standards are likely much higher than is realistic. However, your preparation will make it so that things turn out much better than your anxieties may predict.

Take good  care! I wish you all the best. 

Warmly,

Maura Kutnyak Esq.
716-563-9882

> On Feb 26, 2024, at 9:57 AM, Kyra Sweeney via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ellen,
> I participated in moot court in law school. My strategy was to organize my notes so that I knew exactly what information I could find in each paragraph. I was reading my notes with a Braille display, and I used the navigate to next/previous paragraph feature quite a bit. I would also try to anticipate questions and have responses as close to memorized as possible.
> 
> Hope this helps. Feel free to contact me off-list at kyra.sweeney94 at gmail.com.
> 
> Best,
> Kyra
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 26, 2024, at 9:28 AM, Ellen Harper via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> I am preparing for oral arguments in my legal practice class and was
>> wondering if anyone has advice on how to navigate being interrupted with
>> questions while not being able to quickly scan notes. Any advice would be
>> greatly appreciated.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Ellen
>> _______________________________________________
>> BlindLaw mailing list
>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kyra.sweeney94%40gmail.com
> 
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From agtolentino at gmail.com  Mon Feb 26 17:59:06 2024
From: agtolentino at gmail.com (Aser Tolentino)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2024 09:59:06 -0800
Subject: [blindLaw] Advice for Oral Arguments
In-Reply-To: <F3FD0EF9-0DA6-4C92-B684-6C79502D3403@gmail.com>
References: <F3FD0EF9-0DA6-4C92-B684-6C79502D3403@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CB05B29C-7328-43F0-ABB5-F1DB289D86FF@gmail.com>

Hi Helen,
I hope you’re enjoying the class. The puzzle pieces approach is invaluable when dealing with the fact that you will be interrupted and thrown off. Sometimes, the panel won’t want to talk at all about one point and will hammer something that is of particular importance to their view of the case or a point either good or bad that the opposing counsel has raised. 
Some might disagree with this approach, but I occasionally in preparing notes would place the same cites in multiple places to allow for easy navigation to what I needed, under different headings to address different arguments for example, below my outline. Using quick nav, quick keys, or whatever your screen reader of choice calls it can give you great ways of categorizing text for easy access: your key points at heading level 1 and possible rebuttal arguments at level two for instance, with supporting cites at 3 and 4 or some variation to just give you what you need in the moment.
Prepping the intro and conclusion I think are also key, so you can bring attention to and return it to the key points you raise. Other than that, I think you just need to practice people asking you questions about the facts or a random bit of a case in the brief so you can get used to thinking on your feet and saying something responsive. And I want to double down on it  being vital to keep in mind being okay that your never being perfect, because we’re all human, for the time being anyway, and there’ll always be room for improvement.
> On Feb 26, 2024, at 7:51 AM, Maura Kutnyak via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ellen,
> 
> My advice is based on a few different moot court experiences in law school, a couple courses on the topic of oral argument, and about six months practice as a public defender. So please weigh and measure what I have to say in relation to that background.
> 
> I have found that notes are mostly useful in preparation for oral argument. They allow an opportunity to organize and structure your arguments, more importantly, to identify the pieces that construct the hole. As you  write your argument, consider making headings for each major point and  minor sub points. Doing this in word, and using JAWS, I’m able to turn on quick keys and jump from heading to heading using the letter H. So on the rare occasion that I have the presence of mind and patience to search for information during argument, I can quickly jump through the major pieces.
> 
> I think that it’s important to not be too locked into your notes, and the linear path that they demand. If you can think of your argument is more of a puzzle made of pieces, when those questions come along and throw you off track, you can jump to one of the other pieces of your argument , without as much disruption to the flow. This is because the points exist independently of each other in your mind. You just have to be OK with not following the path that the notes layout.
> 
> I also always strive to practice the argument out loud in as many contexts and in front of as many different people as possible. But also just doing the argument while making dinner, or in the shower really helps the information settle more deeply into your memory. I think there’s a kinesthetic component for me as well, moving around, moving my hands a bit creates a mind-body connection that the information can attach to.
> 
> Finally, I guess just understanding that your oral arguments will never be perfect because your standards, each of our standards are likely much higher than is realistic. However, your preparation will make it so that things turn out much better than your anxieties may predict.
> 
> Take good  care! I wish you all the best.
> 
> Warmly,
> 
> Maura Kutnyak Esq.
> 716-563-9882
> 
>> On Feb 26, 2024, at 9:57 AM, Kyra Sweeney via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ellen,
>> I participated in moot court in law school. My strategy was to organize my notes so that I knew exactly what information I could find in each paragraph. I was reading my notes with a Braille display, and I used the navigate to next/previous paragraph feature quite a bit. I would also try to anticipate questions and have responses as close to memorized as possible.
>> 
>> Hope this helps. Feel free to contact me off-list at kyra.sweeney94 at gmail.com.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Kyra
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Feb 26, 2024, at 9:28 AM, Ellen Harper via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> I am preparing for oral arguments in my legal practice class and was
>>> wondering if anyone has advice on how to navigate being interrupted with
>>> questions while not being able to quickly scan notes. Any advice would be
>>> greatly appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Ellen
>>> _______________________________________________
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From kaybaycar at gmail.com  Mon Feb 26 18:15:15 2024
From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie A. Orozco)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2024 13:15:15 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Advice for Oral Arguments
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Hi Helen,

I took an appellate advocacy class last year, and my professor used to
say that there were two types of people who talked to themselves while
walking outside: lawyers preparing for oral arguments and people who,
as she put it, needed some help. Maybe not the most politically
correct thing to say, but she said it to let us know that lawyers
practice their oral arguments anywhere and whenever they could.

I also used a Braille display and made sure I knew my notes file up
and down so that if I needed to look something up, I could do so
without much lag time. I used to use the find command on my Braille
Note a lot, or I would do what Kyra suggested and navigate by
paragraph. Also, anticipating questions will get easier and easier as
you practice.

I would encourage you just to have fun. I am a performer, so maybe I'm
weird, but an oral argument is a performance. It's supposed to be a
chance for you to be convincing, persuasive, and engaging. You need
not be perfect, and truly, they won't care if you are engaging and
know your stuff, even if you take a moment to look up an exact
citation if they ask.

Hope this helps,

Julie

On 2/26/24, Aser Tolentino via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Helen,
> I hope you’re enjoying the class. The puzzle pieces approach is invaluable
> when dealing with the fact that you will be interrupted and thrown off.
> Sometimes, the panel won’t want to talk at all about one point and will
> hammer something that is of particular importance to their view of the case
> or a point either good or bad that the opposing counsel has raised.
> Some might disagree with this approach, but I occasionally in preparing
> notes would place the same cites in multiple places to allow for easy
> navigation to what I needed, under different headings to address different
> arguments for example, below my outline. Using quick nav, quick keys, or
> whatever your screen reader of choice calls it can give you great ways of
> categorizing text for easy access: your key points at heading level 1 and
> possible rebuttal arguments at level two for instance, with supporting cites
> at 3 and 4 or some variation to just give you what you need in the moment.
> Prepping the intro and conclusion I think are also key, so you can bring
> attention to and return it to the key points you raise. Other than that, I
> think you just need to practice people asking you questions about the facts
> or a random bit of a case in the brief so you can get used to thinking on
> your feet and saying something responsive. And I want to double down on it
> being vital to keep in mind being okay that your never being perfect,
> because we’re all human, for the time being anyway, and there’ll always be
> room for improvement.
>> On Feb 26, 2024, at 7:51 AM, Maura Kutnyak via BlindLaw
>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ellen,
>>
>> My advice is based on a few different moot court experiences in law
>> school, a couple courses on the topic of oral argument, and about six
>> months practice as a public defender. So please weigh and measure what I
>> have to say in relation to that background.
>>
>> I have found that notes are mostly useful in preparation for oral
>> argument. They allow an opportunity to organize and structure your
>> arguments, more importantly, to identify the pieces that construct the
>> hole. As you  write your argument, consider making headings for each major
>> point and  minor sub points. Doing this in word, and using JAWS, I’m able
>> to turn on quick keys and jump from heading to heading using the letter H.
>> So on the rare occasion that I have the presence of mind and patience to
>> search for information during argument, I can quickly jump through the
>> major pieces.
>>
>> I think that it’s important to not be too locked into your notes, and the
>> linear path that they demand. If you can think of your argument is more of
>> a puzzle made of pieces, when those questions come along and throw you off
>> track, you can jump to one of the other pieces of your argument , without
>> as much disruption to the flow. This is because the points exist
>> independently of each other in your mind. You just have to be OK with not
>> following the path that the notes layout.
>>
>> I also always strive to practice the argument out loud in as many contexts
>> and in front of as many different people as possible. But also just doing
>> the argument while making dinner, or in the shower really helps the
>> information settle more deeply into your memory. I think there’s a
>> kinesthetic component for me as well, moving around, moving my hands a bit
>> creates a mind-body connection that the information can attach to.
>>
>> Finally, I guess just understanding that your oral arguments will never be
>> perfect because your standards, each of our standards are likely much
>> higher than is realistic. However, your preparation will make it so that
>> things turn out much better than your anxieties may predict.
>>
>> Take good  care! I wish you all the best.
>>
>> Warmly,
>>
>> Maura Kutnyak Esq.
>> 716-563-9882
>>
>>> On Feb 26, 2024, at 9:57 AM, Kyra Sweeney via BlindLaw
>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Ellen,
>>> I participated in moot court in law school. My strategy was to organize
>>> my notes so that I knew exactly what information I could find in each
>>> paragraph. I was reading my notes with a Braille display, and I used the
>>> navigate to next/previous paragraph feature quite a bit. I would also try
>>> to anticipate questions and have responses as close to memorized as
>>> possible.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps. Feel free to contact me off-list at
>>> kyra.sweeney94 at gmail.com.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Kyra
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> On Feb 26, 2024, at 9:28 AM, Ellen Harper via BlindLaw
>>>>> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> I am preparing for oral arguments in my legal practice class and was
>>>> wondering if anyone has advice on how to navigate being interrupted with
>>>> questions while not being able to quickly scan notes. Any advice would
>>>> be
>>>> greatly appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Ellen
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MM Vocal Performance, 2015; American University Washington College of
Law, JD Candidate 2023


From christinebusanelli at gmail.com  Mon Feb 26 18:21:26 2024
From: christinebusanelli at gmail.com (Christine Busanelli)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2024 12:21:26 -0600
Subject: [blindLaw] Advice for Oral Arguments
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This one I can help with! Maybe.

I have low vision and scanning is not something which is easy for me. So, I
printed my pages in large font and highlighted important topics on them,
and placed them in front of me on a large counter in order on the day of my
argument. I stood behind the counter giving my argument, and then when
asked questions, I was able to spot the page I needed on the counter to
address the question.

I know this may not work for everyone, but with the nature of my vision
disability it worked for me.

Good luck!

On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 8:28 AM Ellen Harper via BlindLaw <
blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I am preparing for oral arguments in my legal practice class and was
> wondering if anyone has advice on how to navigate being interrupted with
> questions while not being able to quickly scan notes. Any advice would be
> greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ellen
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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Mon Feb 26 20:59:20 2024
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2024 20:59:20 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Notice: Request for Resumes for U.S. Department of
 Education/Office for Civil Rights' Excepted Service Positions
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(THIS IS NOT A VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT)

The U.S. Department of Education's Office for Civil Rights (OCR) solicits resumes to fill a Supervisory General Attorney (Director) vacancy on an open and continuous basis.

OCR accepts resumes from eligible individuals who may be considered for a noncompetitive appointment to an Attorney position via the following excepted hiring authorities: 1) Schedule A Persons with Disabilities appointments (5 C.F.R. § 213.3102(u)); 2) Veterans' Recruitment Appointments; 3) Excepted Hiring Authority for Attorneys (5 C.F.R. § 213.3102(d)); and 4) Former Peace Corps and AmeriCorps Appointees (22 U.S.C. § 2506), respectively.

Accordingly, OCR is currently soliciting resumes for a Supervisory General Attorney (Director) (GS-0905-15) for the Program Legal Group located in the Washington, DC Headquarters Office (400 Maryland Avenue SW, 20202, "LBJ Building"). The Director of the Program Legal Group will supervise the work of teams of attorneys and other staff who support OCR's enforcement activities by developing policy guidance, regulations, and technical assistance materials, and consulting on novel cases to ensure that civil rights issues are appropriately addressed within the Department's programs and initiatives and among Federal agencies.

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From nssulca at gmail.com  Tue Feb 27 13:10:43 2024
From: nssulca at gmail.com (Natalia Sulca)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 08:10:43 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] [blind Law] Best LSAT prep course
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Good day Omar,
I was given the books by a friend so not sure what versions they are I'm sorry. The practice tests do provide explanation to the questions that were sufficient for me to understand especially if I got the answer wrong. I say try a couple and then see what your weaknesses are and work on those. The score I got on my practice test was a little lower than what I got officially so it was worth the practice.


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Hi Natalia, good evening.



Thanks for your contribution and your time and thoughtful answer.

Does the LSAC website provide explanations to the questions or just the official practice test?

I always thought in assumes they just have the practice tests with no explanations.


As far as the power score Bible books, did you get the newest version or do the older versions work too because I found the newer versions to be more expensive?

I definitely agree with what you said about taking the practice test, getting questions, wrong, and senior mistakes as that is a good way to ensure growth and understanding?

Thanks for your contributions and feedback. Able to provide a follow up answers at your convenience. (no rush at all). I’d appreciate it greatly.

Thanks again for your attention and assistance.

Take care and have a good weekend.

Best regards,
Brian.



On Tue, Feb 20, 2024 at 5:12 AM Natalia Sulca via BlindLaw < blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hello,
> I took the LSAT in June 2023
> I also have these 3 books and they are a great resource. What helped 
> me the most though was going on the LSAC website and doing the 
> practice tests, reading my chosen answers and comparing them with the correct answer.
> Understanding what I got wrong and why depending on the section made 
> all the difference for me personally.. The bibles reiterate the 
> formats of the questions and what they are looking for in extreme 
> detail without needing visuals. Feel free to write to me privately if you require more assistance.
> Good luck!
> Best,
> Natalia Sulca
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Natasha 
> Ishaq via BlindLaw
> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2024 10:05 PM
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> Cc: Natasha Ishaq <natasha.ishaq2001 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Best LSAT prep course
>
> Hi Brian,
>
> I took the LSAT in November 2023 and then again tis past January. I 
> found PowerScore to be helpful. I purchased their Bible Trilogy, which 
> includes the Logic Games Bible, Logical Reasoning Bible and Reading 
> Comprehension Bible. PowerScore provided me with screen reader 
> accessible versions of each book. PowerScore also offers free virtual 
> webinars several times a month. Each webinar covers a specific skill 
> you will need for the exam by exploring different types of questions 
> you will see on the test. They also offer “Crystal Ball” sessions in 
> which they predict what future administrations of the LSAT will look 
> like. I can confirm that their predications are usually very accurate.  
> You can view and register for these webinars with this link:
>
> https://powerscore.com/freeseminars?UTM_BU=PowerScore&UTM_Format=Onlin
> e&UTM_Medium=PaidSearch&utm_term=&utm_campaign=PowerScore-G-All-All-SE
> -All-PMax.Publications-All&utm_source=adwords&utm_medium=ppc&hsa_acc=7
> 860414080&hsa_cam=20554197790&hsa_grp=&hsa_ad=&hsa_src=x&hsa_tgt=&hsa_
> kw=&hsa_mt=&hsa_net=adwords&hsa_ver=3&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAiAlcyuB
> hBnEiwAOGZ2S5s88VXrN6SqS6iDwkzj9bNZbT5eO54hNVW9OGvnuoNj9q8K7_1MpBoC6j4
> QAvD_BwE
>
>
> Hope this is helpful!
>
> Warm Regards,
> Natasha
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 8:46 PM omar duncan via BlindLaw < 
> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi folks.
> >
> > I hope everyone having a good evening.
> >
> > Does anyone know and have intel on the best crash courses for LSAT 
> > or prep course.
> >
> > The criterion  of what is considered  Good for prep  course is how 
> > efficient it is at prepping and teaching for the exam.
> >
> > I am open to platform as well that balance quality and price  and 
> > accessibility?
> > Right now I am on 7Sage but I am informed by people that  blue print 
> > is also good? Any other providers out there?
> >
> > Any thoughts and insights are helpful and appreciated
> >
> >
> > Thanks for your attention.
> >
> >
> > Best,
> > Brian
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From nssulca at gmail.com  Tue Feb 27 13:23:10 2024
From: nssulca at gmail.com (Natalia Sulca)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 08:23:10 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] For profit law school or non-profit law school.
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Good Morning Omar,
For me, it has been various things. I didn't even consider a school that was not ABA accredited for starters. I plan to stay in the state I live in but never know what the future holds so want to be prepared for that.  the concentrations that interest me and distance are also a factor. I am lucky that the schools in my area are decent schools. Blind services in my state is pretty excellent as well. They help pay at a public school rate though so if I go the private school rout, I'd have to cover the rest and there are scholarships I applied for plus Fafsa loans you can take out and whatever merit based scholarships the schools offer if you are eligible. Blind services also covers all books, equipment, transportation so that is a great help.

I'm in a different place in my life too. I'm settled in my own home, have 2 young children and already been there done that as far as prestigious IV league school, moving away, etc. At this point, I just want to practice law and any law will do although like everyone, I have my preferences. That might not be your place in life right now. If I were you, I'd take the LSAT and while preparing for that, decide what schools you want to apply for if this year is your starting goal as the deadlines are approaching. If Financial aid is something you really need, the Fafsa applications are open. You can fill yours out and have it sent to up to 20 schools who in turn use that to determine if you can qualify for scholarships they offer.. Also, find out  what the vocational rehabilitation options are in your state and apply for services. 
It's really a unique circumstance for every person.

Best of luck on your journey!

Natalia 

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Hi all, good afternoon/good evening.


Quick questions and appreciate any assistance. You guys may be able to provide based on knowledge and experiences.

Do any of you guys know if it is better to go between nonprofit law school a for-profit law school?

Or does it not matter as long as the school is ABA accredited and it is not super expensive for what you’re getting in return and distance and all those other factors?

What factors would you guys consider in the law school you guys choose to attend?

ABA accreditation versus state bar accreditation?

Price?

Status?— Also known as reputation of being able to secure a solid job after graduation?

Distance?

The availability of funds for scholarships and grants?

The ability of the school to accommodate visual disabilities?

The student atmosphere?

The grading Policies?

The specific things the school is known for?

Are these all questions running through your heads who are considering law school or were these criterion and factors  apart of the consideration process for my colleagues in this chat  currently in school at the moment?

Any feedback is appreciated
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From nssulca at gmail.com  Tue Feb 27 13:26:04 2024
From: nssulca at gmail.com (Natalia Sulca)
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 08:26:04 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Scholarships (internal within school) and aid and
 grants
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Hello again,
These are some good resources.
https://www.careeronestop.org/toolkit/training/find-scholarships.aspx

https://www.hacu.net/hacu/default.asp



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Hey all good afternoon and evening to everyone.

I hope everyone doing good and week coming to a good wrap.


For law school, beyond any scholarships that the school might offer for good lsat or other factors like gpa, are there any other circumstances in which law schools would offer scholarships like for being disabled and independent (tax wise) or for involvement in extra curricular activities.



Additionally, beyond aid, scholarships, and grants offered by law school itself, are there any organizations affiliated with law schools or completely external and in related to law school that might offer grants and aids and scholarships both for visually impaired lawyers and regular
grants and scholarships not specific to being disabled  or   Visually
impaired?


Are there are any organizations like state vocational rehabilitation agencies that can assist or other organizations related to disabled people?

Also when it comes to the scope of aid and scholarship that can be offered, what is better—non profit law school or for profit law schools?


I am assuming non profit because those schools can legally raise funds and stuff?



Either way.. any intel or direction I may be provided regarding grants and scholarships and other monetary things related to assisting with law school , I greatly appreciate any advice and assistance.




Thank you all for your attention and I am delighted at those of you who have made it this far in reading this I appreciate your time and effort.

I believe this question would benefit everyone currently attending law school, and people like myself in the process of pursuing law school.


I would like to thank you guys for your attention in any assistance and feedback you are all able to provide in advance.

 I wish you guys all a good weekend.

Best regards,
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