From michael.mcglashon at comcast.net Sat Jan 6 14:42:20 2024 From: michael.mcglashon at comcast.net (MIKE MCGLASHON) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2024 08:42:20 -0600 Subject: [blindLaw] new sirius xm email discussion list Message-ID: <14f201da40ae$90c88b00$b259a100$@comcast.net> Hi guys: Lately we have seen an uptick of discussion on many email lists regarding quirks pertaining to sirius xm listening. Whether it be via sirius xm issued radios, the app itself, or through smart speakers, many questions have cropped up on these other lists. The problem is that these other lists are not geared to such topics. Hence, I have created a new list on groups.io called "sirius-xm-listeners", where such discussion is warranted. This group's primary purpose is to invite current and potential sirius xm subscribers to exchange ideas, tips, tricks, etc, pertaining to listening to sirius xm on either sirius xm issued radios or sirius xm related apps. Please if you would, subscribe to the new list at: sirius-xm-listeners+subscribe at groups.io . Maybe then we can alleviate the other lists of said disccussions; hence, other list owners and moderators will not need to filter out our messages; and yet, we now have a place to go to address sirius xm related matters. Again, to subscribe please send email to: sirius-xm-listeners+subscribe at groups.io . If you have questions about this invitation, please send them to: sirius-xm-listeners+owner at groups.io ; or, direct email me at: michael.mcglashon at comcast.net . Please advise as you like. Mike M. Mike mcglashon AD9CA Email: Michael.mcglashon at comcast.net Ph: 618 783 9331 From kaybaycar at gmail.com Sun Jan 7 20:25:30 2024 From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie A. Orozco) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2024 15:25:30 -0500 Subject: [blindLaw] Bar Prep Questions Message-ID: Hi everyone, I am currently making my way through the Barbri bar prep course in preparation for taking the February bar exam. I have a couple questions. First, did you find that the methods Barbri and other exam courses recommended actually worked for you as a blind test taker? I ask this because a lot of their recommendations rely on things like skimming, circling and underlining important words, and reading things in reverse order. I know we can take notes instead of underlining and highlighting, and that is what I plan to do, particularly when tackling essay questions. But for the multiple choice, I'm feeling a little reluctant to believe in their methods. Did you find other methods that worked for you? I plan to take the exam with Jaws on the computer and have extra time. I'm just not sure how much weight to give to Barbri's methods. I know we have a Zoom discussion coming up, and maybe this can be one of the discussion topics. Thanks, Julie -- Julie A. Orozco MM Vocal Performance, 2015; American University Washington College of Law, JD Candidate 2023 From seifs at umich.edu Sun Jan 7 20:57:02 2024 From: seifs at umich.edu (Seif-Eldeen Saqallah) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2024 15:57:02 -0500 Subject: [blindLaw] Bar Prep Questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I personally did not highlight/do many of those. What was most helpful for mee was for the multiple choice, sometimes reading the question before the fact pattern, then the facts, then the choices; for the essay, writing 3word or less phrases at the top of my answer for something I wanted to remember while reading; starring, in my answers, portions/questions I wanted to revisit (even just putting aaaaaaaa so I could use the find command to find that again); etc. Happy to have a phonecall, if helpfull? Sincerely, Seif From james.garret.mooney at gmail.com Sun Jan 7 21:09:41 2024 From: james.garret.mooney at gmail.com (James Garret Mooney) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2024 16:09:41 -0500 Subject: [blindLaw] Bar Prep Questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <69A4E018-E3EB-4C66-AEA5-AFD096C1C07C@gmail.com> I found their methods helpful because it taught me how I should break a question down into its parts. I just took very quick notes if I needed to. > On Jan 7, 2024, at 3:58 PM, Seif-Eldeen Saqallah via BlindLaw wrote: > > I personally did not highlight/do many of those. > What was most helpful for mee was > for the multiple choice, sometimes reading the question before the > fact pattern, then the facts, then the choices; > for the essay, writing 3word or less phrases at the top of my answer > for something I wanted to remember while reading; > starring, in my answers, portions/questions I wanted to revisit (even > just putting aaaaaaaa so I could use the find command to find that > again); > etc. > Happy to have a phonecall, if helpfull? > > Sincerely, > Seif > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/james.garret.mooney%40gmail.com From miguel.casillas1 at gmail.com Mon Jan 8 03:22:17 2024 From: miguel.casillas1 at gmail.com (miguel casillas) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2024 19:22:17 -0800 Subject: [blindLaw] Bar Prep Questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Julie, I think barbri's methods work generally but they sort of throw the whole kitchen sink and you figure out what works for you. The tips you are describing sound more like of the type dealing with the time crunch. If you have extra time these methods won't really seem as useful or with jaws, downright counterproductive. Good luck, Miguel On Sun, Jan 7, 2024, 12:26 PM Julie A. Orozco via BlindLaw < blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I am currently making my way through the Barbri bar prep course in > preparation for taking the February bar exam. I have a couple > questions. First, did you find that the methods Barbri and other exam > courses recommended actually worked for you as a blind test taker? I > ask this because a lot of their recommendations rely on things like > skimming, circling and underlining important words, and reading things > in reverse order. I know we can take notes instead of underlining and > highlighting, and that is what I plan to do, particularly when > tackling essay questions. But for the multiple choice, I'm feeling a > little reluctant to believe in their methods. > > Did you find other methods that worked for you? I plan to take the > exam with Jaws on the computer and have extra time. I'm just not sure > how much weight to give to Barbri's methods. > > I know we have a Zoom discussion coming up, and maybe this can be one > of the discussion topics. > > Thanks, > > Julie > > > -- > Julie A. Orozco > MM Vocal Performance, 2015; American University Washington College of > Law, JD Candidate 2023 > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/miguel.casillas1%40gmail.com > From rothmanjd at gmail.com Mon Jan 8 13:03:52 2024 From: rothmanjd at gmail.com (Ronza Othman) Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2024 08:03:52 -0500 Subject: [blindLaw] Bar Prep Questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6BEF3979-30E2-4BBF-ACB1-80084AA881C0@gmail.com> Hey Julie, I lived and died by Barbara and loved it. I credited it for my success and in fact did some tutoring for bar exam takers early on in my career. I think that we always have to adapt some of the techniques to how we blind people read, but things like reading in reverse order was something that I definitely used as tactic. However, the content reviews were definitely the more useful for me. Good luck. Ronza Othman, President National Federation of the Blind of Maryland 443-426-4110 Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 7, 2024, at 3:26 PM, Julie A. Orozco via BlindLaw wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > I am currently making my way through the Barbri bar prep course in > preparation for taking the February bar exam. I have a couple > questions. First, did you find that the methods Barbri and other exam > courses recommended actually worked for you as a blind test taker? I > ask this because a lot of their recommendations rely on things like > skimming, circling and underlining important words, and reading things > in reverse order. I know we can take notes instead of underlining and > highlighting, and that is what I plan to do, particularly when > tackling essay questions. But for the multiple choice, I'm feeling a > little reluctant to believe in their methods. > > Did you find other methods that worked for you? I plan to take the > exam with Jaws on the computer and have extra time. I'm just not sure > how much weight to give to Barbri's methods. > > I know we have a Zoom discussion coming up, and maybe this can be one > of the discussion topics. > > Thanks, > > Julie > > > -- > Julie A. Orozco > MM Vocal Performance, 2015; American University Washington College of > Law, JD Candidate 2023 > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rothmanjd%40gmail.com From justind41 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 9 13:14:46 2024 From: justind41 at yahoo.com (Jude D. Lucien) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2024 13:14:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [blindLaw] Bar Prep Questions (Lucien In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2052097015.8017386.1704806086554@mail.yahoo.com> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 07:01:38 AM EST, wrote: Send BlindLaw mailing list submissions to     blindlaw at nfbnet.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit     http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to     blindlaw-request at nfbnet.org You can reach the person managing the list at     blindlaw-owner at nfbnet.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of BlindLaw digest..." Today's Topics:   1. Re: Bar Prep Questions (Ronza Othman) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2024 08:03:52 -0500 From: Ronza Othman To: Blind Law Mailing List Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Bar Prep Questions Message-ID: <6BEF3979-30E2-4BBF-ACB1-80084AA881C0 at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hey Julie, I lived and died by Barbara and loved it. I credited it for my success and in fact did some tutoring for bar exam takers early on in my career. I think that we always have to adapt some of the techniques to how we blind people read, but things like reading in reverse order was something that I definitely used as tactic. However, the content reviews were definitely the more useful for me. Good luck. Ronza Othman, President National Federation of the Blind of Maryland 443-426-4110 Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 7, 2024, at 3:26?PM, Julie A. Orozco via BlindLaw wrote: > > ?Hi everyone, > > I am currently making my way through the Barbri bar prep course in > preparation for taking the February bar exam. I have a couple > questions. First, did you find that the methods Barbri and other exam > courses recommended actually worked for you as a blind test taker? I > ask this because a lot of their recommendations rely on things like > skimming, circling and underlining important words, and reading things > in reverse order. I know we can take notes instead of underlining and > highlighting, and that is what I plan to do, particularly when > tackling essay  questions. But for the multiple choice, I'm feeling a > little reluctant to believe in their methods. > > Did you find other methods that worked for you? I plan to take the > exam with Jaws on the computer and have extra time. I'm just not sure > how much weight to give to Barbri's methods. > > I know we have a Zoom discussion coming up, and maybe this can be one > of the discussion topics. > > Thanks, > > Julie > > > -- > Julie A. Orozco > MM Vocal Performance, 2015; American University Washington College of > Law, JD Candidate 2023 > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rothmanjd%40gmail.com ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org ------------------------------ End of BlindLaw Digest, Vol 236, Issue 3 **************************************** From elizabethrouse.nfb at gmail.com Tue Jan 9 19:08:05 2024 From: elizabethrouse.nfb at gmail.com (elizabethrouse.nfb at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2024 13:08:05 -0600 Subject: [blindLaw] Final Reminder: NABL Quarterly Connection Regarding Bar Prep Message-ID: <00c101da432f$2dd7c410$89874c30$@gmail.com> Good afternoon all, I hope you've all had a wonderful holiday season. This is your final reminder and invitation to join the NABL Quarterly Connection all about Bar prep, happening tomorrow, 1/10 at 8:00 PM Eastern. We will begin with some guided questions and an informal panel and move into audience Q&A as time allows. Join Zoom Meeting https://nfb-org.zoom.us/j/99167127410 Meeting ID: 991 6712 7410 --- One tap mobile +13017158592,,99167127410# US (Washington DC) +13052241968,,99167127410# US Excited to see you there! Elizabeth From sbg at sbgaal.com Tue Jan 9 21:49:44 2024 From: sbg at sbgaal.com (sbg sbgaal.com) Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2024 21:49:44 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] new sirius xm email discussion list In-Reply-To: <14f201da40ae$90c88b00$b259a100$@comcast.net> References: <14f201da40ae$90c88b00$b259a100$@comcast.net> Message-ID: Can anyone tell me why the blind tech list serve is no longer? Thanks! 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Whether it be via sirius xm issued radios, the app itself, or through smart speakers, many questions have cropped up on these other lists. The problem is that these other lists are not geared to such topics. Hence, I have created a new list on groups.io called "sirius-xm-listeners", where such discussion is warranted. This group's primary purpose is to invite current and potential sirius xm subscribers to exchange ideas, tips, tricks, etc, pertaining to listening to sirius xm on either sirius xm issued radios or sirius xm related apps. Please if you would, subscribe to the new list at: sirius-xm-listeners+subscribe at groups.io . Maybe then we can alleviate the other lists of said disccussions; hence, other list owners and moderators will not need to filter out our messages; and yet, we now have a place to go to address sirius xm related matters. Again, to subscribe please send email to: sirius-xm-listeners+subscribe at groups.io . If you have questions about this invitation, please send them to: sirius-xm-listeners+owner at groups.io ; or, direct email me at: michael.mcglashon at comcast.net . Please advise as you like. Mike M. Mike mcglashon AD9CA Email: Michael.mcglashon at comcast.net Ph: 618 783 9331 _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sbg%40sbgaal.com From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Wed Jan 10 15:37:16 2024 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 15:37:16 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] Justice Department Advances Proposed Rule to Improve Access to Medical Care for People with Disabilities - U.S. DOJ - January 9, 2024 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-advances-proposed-rule-improve-access-medical-care-people-disabilities Justice Department Advances Proposed Rule to Improve Access to Medical Care for People with Disabilities Department of Public Affairs U.S. DOJ January 9, 2024 The Justice Department today sent to the Federal Register for publication a notice of proposed rulemaking under Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) that aims to improve access to medical diagnostic equipment (MDE) for people with disabilities. MDE includes equipment like medical examination tables, weight scales, dental chairs, x-ray machines and mammography equipment. Accessible MDE is essential for people with disabilities to have equal access to medical care. The rule proposes to adopt technical standards that clarify how public entities that use MDE, such as hospitals and health care clinics operated by state or local governments, can meet their existing obligations under the ADA. The department has received many complaints from individuals with disabilities that health care providers have not provided them with basic, vital health care - for example, not obtaining an accurate weight when administering anesthesia before surgery - because of the lack of accessible MDE. "Individuals with disabilities often experience great difficulty obtaining routine or preventative medical care because of inaccessible medical diagnostic equipment. From examination tables to weight scales to mammography equipment, accessible MDE is critical to ensuring equal access to medical care," said Assistant Attorney General Kristen Clarke of the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division. "This groundbreaking rule marks a significant milestone in the Justice Department's efforts to remove barriers that people with disabilities face when accessing medical care." The department is eager to hear from the public and get input from stakeholders on our proposed rule. The proposed rule will soon be available for review on the Federal Register's website at www.federalregister.gov. A fact sheet that provides information about the proposed rule will soon be available on www.ada.gov. The department invites the public to submit their comments on the proposed rule once it is published. The comment period will be open for 30 days from the date the proposed rule is published. Public comments can be submitted on www.regulations.gov. For more information on the Civil Rights Division, please visit the department's website. For more information on the ADA, please call the department's toll-free ADA Information Line at 800-514-0301 (TDD 833-610-1264) or visit the ADA website. From maurakutnyak at gmail.com Thu Jan 11 15:44:28 2024 From: maurakutnyak at gmail.com (Maura Kutnyak) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 10:44:28 -0500 Subject: [blindLaw] Under accommodated public defender, seeking moral support, practical advice, and philosophy Message-ID: <8E229BBB-9C00-4532-853C-D6294727FFDF@gmail.com> Hello list mates, It was very nice to hear some of your voices on the call last night. The subject line Is a good summary of why I write to you. The list of means by which I feel marginalized at work is too long and complex to unpack here. The resultant array of unhelpful thoughts, and emotional harms is my focus. I am feeling like more of a burden to the organization for which i work than a resource. That is materially true at the moment because the most useful accommodation, a human reader, is not yet in place. The job is posted, and we are all hoping that it will fill soon. But, while that position stands open, I stand largely alone and subject to an inconsistent set of methods to enable my participation in court. Even when the visual access-legal secretary is hired, am i not still marked as a more expensive, and less productive employee? That question/emotional impulse is why I am writing. I know those thoughts are unhelpful, distructive and a form of internalized low expectations. Yet, it is hard to resist their gravity as the months move past and progress toward full inclusion at my job moves slowly. The other point I will quickly touch is the Struggle of self-advocacy, and imperfection of identifying what is reasonable to expect with regard to accommodations. Thank you all for listening, and for any helpful disability rights-NFB philosophy you can share that will bolster my fortitude. I’m not going to give up because I love many aspects of the job, and am sure it is a perfect springboard for my career. But damn it hurts some days! Warmly, Maura Kutnyak 716-563-9882 From teresitarios22 at gmail.com Thu Jan 11 18:38:28 2024 From: teresitarios22 at gmail.com (Teresita Rios) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 13:38:28 -0500 Subject: [blindLaw] Windows computer Suggestions Message-ID: <40E27467-3075-4D62-932D-280EF4FE85BE@gmail.com> Dear all, I called Freedom Scientific for suggestions of what computers would not constantly crash with their software. and they gave me a list of speks like 32 GB of ram and large Cache video memory. I asked what is a good number and what Cache is. But they were not helpfull stating “large vvideo rendering memory is all you need” and that they could not give me more specifics. So if I am overwhelmed by the number of Windows computers out there, I humbly request aid by providing a starting point. I have several questions. Do you use Zoomtex, JAWS or Fusion? if yes, How often does your computer crash? if not very often What Windows computer are you using? what are the specs? RAM and SSD and other memory internal things. Does anyone know what is a good amount of cache or how to check for that on a computer? Thank you all! Teresita From capellemc at fastmail.com Thu Jan 11 18:54:08 2024 From: capellemc at fastmail.com (Capelle, Michael C.) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 12:54:08 -0600 Subject: [blindLaw] Windows computer Suggestions In-Reply-To: <40E27467-3075-4D62-932D-280EF4FE85BE@gmail.com> References: <40E27467-3075-4D62-932D-280EF4FE85BE@gmail.com> Message-ID: <49DCFED1-5F0D-4D09-B18E-87BCEAF77DF6@fastmail.com> 32 GB is way overkill. 16 gigs, one terabyte hard drive should do just fine with jaws. Sent with Mike’s iPhone 14 promax. > On Jan 11, 2024, at 12:39 PM, Teresita Rios via BlindLaw wrote: > > Dear all, > > I called Freedom Scientific for suggestions of what computers would not constantly crash with their software. and they gave me a list of speks like 32 GB of ram and large Cache video memory. I asked what is a good number and what Cache is. But they were not helpfull stating “large vvideo rendering memory is all you need” and that they could not give me more specifics. > So if I am overwhelmed by the number of Windows computers out there, I humbly request aid by providing a starting point. I have several questions. > Do you use Zoomtex, JAWS or Fusion? > if yes, > How often does your computer crash? > if not very often > What Windows computer are you using? what are the specs? RAM and SSD and other memory internal things. > > Does anyone know what is a good amount of cache or how to check for that on a computer? > > Thank you all! > Teresita > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/capellemc%40fastmail.com From capellemc at fastmail.com Thu Jan 11 18:55:20 2024 From: capellemc at fastmail.com (Capelle, Michael C.) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 12:55:20 -0600 Subject: [blindLaw] Windows computer Suggestions In-Reply-To: <40E27467-3075-4D62-932D-280EF4FE85BE@gmail.com> References: <40E27467-3075-4D62-932D-280EF4FE85BE@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7467E898-0612-4A02-AF65-0B8C11375118@fastmail.com> I am running a 16 GB system with a core I 5/12 General processor, 512 GB of hard drive, with no issues whatsoever. My laptop is running four gigs of ram, a core three, and a 256 GB hard drive, with no issues at all. Sent with Mike’s iPhone 14 promax. > On Jan 11, 2024, at 12:39 PM, Teresita Rios via BlindLaw wrote: > > Dear all, > > I called Freedom Scientific for suggestions of what computers would not constantly crash with their software. and they gave me a list of speks like 32 GB of ram and large Cache video memory. I asked what is a good number and what Cache is. But they were not helpfull stating “large vvideo rendering memory is all you need” and that they could not give me more specifics. > So if I am overwhelmed by the number of Windows computers out there, I humbly request aid by providing a starting point. I have several questions. > Do you use Zoomtex, JAWS or Fusion? > if yes, > How often does your computer crash? > if not very often > What Windows computer are you using? what are the specs? RAM and SSD and other memory internal things. > > Does anyone know what is a good amount of cache or how to check for that on a computer? > > Thank you all! > Teresita > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/capellemc%40fastmail.com From paigecmiller6 at gmail.com Thu Jan 11 19:02:40 2024 From: paigecmiller6 at gmail.com (Paige) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 12:02:40 -0700 Subject: [blindLaw] Windows computer Suggestions In-Reply-To: <7467E898-0612-4A02-AF65-0B8C11375118@fastmail.com> References: <7467E898-0612-4A02-AF65-0B8C11375118@fastmail.com> Message-ID: <2F85F226-B9FF-4DF9-AD82-042E7DED435D@gmail.com> Hi! I’m using a 32GB ram, i7 processor, and not sure what type of video memory. My system is constantly crashing, but I use Fusion. I got the same response from Freedom Scientific. Does anyone who uses Apple/Voiceover have these issues? Thank you, Paige > On Jan 11, 2024, at 11:56 AM, Capelle, Michael C. via BlindLaw wrote: > > I am running a 16 GB system with a core I 5/12 General processor, 512 GB of hard drive, with no issues whatsoever. My laptop is running four gigs of ram, a core three, and a 256 GB hard drive, with no issues at all. > Sent with Mike’s iPhone 14 promax. > >> On Jan 11, 2024, at 12:39 PM, Teresita Rios via BlindLaw wrote: >> >> Dear all, >> >> I called Freedom Scientific for suggestions of what computers would not constantly crash with their software. and they gave me a list of speks like 32 GB of ram and large Cache video memory. I asked what is a good number and what Cache is. But they were not helpfull stating “large vvideo rendering memory is all you need” and that they could not give me more specifics. >> So if I am overwhelmed by the number of Windows computers out there, I humbly request aid by providing a starting point. I have several questions. >> Do you use Zoomtex, JAWS or Fusion? >> if yes, >> How often does your computer crash? >> if not very often >> What Windows computer are you using? what are the specs? RAM and SSD and other memory internal things. >> >> Does anyone know what is a good amount of cache or how to check for that on a computer? >> >> Thank you all! >> Teresita >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/capellemc%40fastmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/paigecmiller6%40gmail.com From kaybaycar at gmail.com Thu Jan 11 19:06:03 2024 From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie A. Orozco) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 14:06:03 -0500 Subject: [blindLaw] Windows computer Suggestions In-Reply-To: <7467E898-0612-4A02-AF65-0B8C11375118@fastmail.com> References: <40E27467-3075-4D62-932D-280EF4FE85BE@gmail.com> <7467E898-0612-4A02-AF65-0B8C11375118@fastmail.com> Message-ID: I wonder if it makes a difference if you use Zoom Text. I'm only a Jaws user and never have problems with crashing. My laptop is good, but it's also pretty standard, with no extra cash or anything. I have 16 gigs of ram. But again, I wonder if this is different if you use enlargement software. Julie On 1/11/24, Capelle, Michael C. via BlindLaw wrote: > I am running a 16 GB system with a core I 5/12 General processor, 512 GB of > hard drive, with no issues whatsoever. My laptop is running four gigs of > ram, a core three, and a 256 GB hard drive, with no issues at all. > Sent with Mike’s iPhone 14 promax. > >> On Jan 11, 2024, at 12:39 PM, Teresita Rios via BlindLaw >> wrote: >> >> Dear all, >> >> I called Freedom Scientific for suggestions of what computers would not >> constantly crash with their software. and they gave me a list of speks >> like 32 GB of ram and large Cache video memory. I asked what is a good >> number and what Cache is. But they were not helpfull stating “large vvideo >> rendering memory is all you need” and that they could not give me more >> specifics. >> So if I am overwhelmed by the number of Windows computers out there, I >> humbly request aid by providing a starting point. I have several >> questions. >> Do you use Zoomtex, JAWS or Fusion? >> if yes, >> How often does your computer crash? >> if not very often >> What Windows computer are you using? what are the specs? RAM and SSD and >> other memory internal things. >> >> Does anyone know what is a good amount of cache or how to check for that >> on a computer? >> >> Thank you all! >> Teresita >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/capellemc%40fastmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com > -- Julie A. Orozco MM Vocal Performance, 2015; American University Washington College of Law, JD Candidate 2023 From teresitarios22 at gmail.com Thu Jan 11 19:16:42 2024 From: teresitarios22 at gmail.com (Teresita Rios) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 14:16:42 -0500 Subject: [blindLaw] Windows computer Suggestions In-Reply-To: <2F85F226-B9FF-4DF9-AD82-042E7DED435D@gmail.com> References: <7467E898-0612-4A02-AF65-0B8C11375118@fastmail.com> <2F85F226-B9FF-4DF9-AD82-042E7DED435D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0156F74B-F1C0-436E-A962-E7F8F274D00B@gmail.com> Hi Page, I use a Mac but a new firm prefers Windows. I told them my bad experiance with Windoes and ZoomTex and Fusion and they still ask for a Windows alternative. So here I am trying to figure out the windows world. My Mac has only glitched like twice in the three years I had it. I use Zoom with Spoken Content at the same time. This combination is pretty much ZoomText. It reads what is underneath the cursor and what you type. However, sometimes for some reason a webpage or PDF is not being read by Spoken Content. But in such a case I just turn on VoiceOver. VoiceOver, is controlled by the keyboard (not the cursor) can also be used with zoom on a Mac. and you have essentially Fusion. Warmly, Teresita > On Jan 11, 2024, at 2:02 PM, Paige via BlindLaw wrote: > > Hi! > > I’m using a 32GB ram, i7 processor, and not sure what type of video memory. > > My system is constantly crashing, but I use Fusion. I got the same response from Freedom Scientific. > > Does anyone who uses Apple/Voiceover have these issues? > > Thank you, > Paige > >> On Jan 11, 2024, at 11:56 AM, Capelle, Michael C. via BlindLaw wrote: >> >> I am running a 16 GB system with a core I 5/12 General processor, 512 GB of hard drive, with no issues whatsoever. My laptop is running four gigs of ram, a core three, and a 256 GB hard drive, with no issues at all. >> Sent with Mike’s iPhone 14 promax. >> >>> On Jan 11, 2024, at 12:39 PM, Teresita Rios via BlindLaw wrote: >>> >>> Dear all, >>> >>> I called Freedom Scientific for suggestions of what computers would not constantly crash with their software. and they gave me a list of speks like 32 GB of ram and large Cache video memory. I asked what is a good number and what Cache is. But they were not helpfull stating “large vvideo rendering memory is all you need” and that they could not give me more specifics. >>> So if I am overwhelmed by the number of Windows computers out there, I humbly request aid by providing a starting point. I have several questions. >>> Do you use Zoomtex, JAWS or Fusion? >>> if yes, >>> How often does your computer crash? >>> if not very often >>> What Windows computer are you using? what are the specs? RAM and SSD and other memory internal things. >>> >>> Does anyone know what is a good amount of cache or how to check for that on a computer? >>> >>> Thank you all! >>> Teresita >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/capellemc%40fastmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/paigecmiller6%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/teresitarios22%40gmail.com From sanho817 at gmail.com Thu Jan 11 19:22:53 2024 From: sanho817 at gmail.com (Sanho Steele-Louchart) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 14:22:53 -0500 Subject: [blindLaw] Windows computer Suggestions In-Reply-To: <0156F74B-F1C0-436E-A962-E7F8F274D00B@gmail.com> References: <0156F74B-F1C0-436E-A962-E7F8F274D00B@gmail.com> Message-ID: For those of you using screen-readers on Windows machines who are experiencing frequent crashes, do you happen to have a Dell? Certain Dell machines are infamous for a memory leak that causes constant sound to crash the operating system after some time. The screen-reader works fine, then crackles, lags, and eventually gives you the modern equivalent of the blue screen of death. Sanho > On Jan 11, 2024, at 2:17 PM, Teresita Rios via BlindLaw wrote: > > Hi Page, > I use a Mac but a new firm prefers Windows. I told them my bad experiance with Windoes and ZoomTex and Fusion and they still ask for a Windows alternative. So here I am trying to figure out the windows world. > > My Mac has only glitched like twice in the three years I had it. > I use Zoom with Spoken Content at the same time. This combination is pretty much ZoomText. It reads what is underneath the cursor and what you type. > However, sometimes for some reason a webpage or PDF is not being read by Spoken Content. But in such a case I just turn on VoiceOver. VoiceOver, is controlled by the keyboard (not the cursor) can also be used with zoom on a Mac. and you have essentially Fusion. > > Warmly, > Teresita > > >> On Jan 11, 2024, at 2:02 PM, Paige via BlindLaw wrote: >> >> Hi! >> >> I’m using a 32GB ram, i7 processor, and not sure what type of video memory. >> >> My system is constantly crashing, but I use Fusion. I got the same response from Freedom Scientific. >> >> Does anyone who uses Apple/Voiceover have these issues? >> >> Thank you, >> Paige >> >>>> On Jan 11, 2024, at 11:56 AM, Capelle, Michael C. via BlindLaw wrote: >>> >>> I am running a 16 GB system with a core I 5/12 General processor, 512 GB of hard drive, with no issues whatsoever. My laptop is running four gigs of ram, a core three, and a 256 GB hard drive, with no issues at all. >>> Sent with Mike’s iPhone 14 promax. >>> >>>> On Jan 11, 2024, at 12:39 PM, Teresita Rios via BlindLaw wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear all, >>>> >>>> I called Freedom Scientific for suggestions of what computers would not constantly crash with their software. and they gave me a list of speks like 32 GB of ram and large Cache video memory. I asked what is a good number and what Cache is. But they were not helpfull stating “large vvideo rendering memory is all you need” and that they could not give me more specifics. >>>> So if I am overwhelmed by the number of Windows computers out there, I humbly request aid by providing a starting point. I have several questions. >>>> Do you use Zoomtex, JAWS or Fusion? >>>> if yes, >>>> How often does your computer crash? >>>> if not very often >>>> What Windows computer are you using? what are the specs? RAM and SSD and other memory internal things. >>>> >>>> Does anyone know what is a good amount of cache or how to check for that on a computer? >>>> >>>> Thank you all! >>>> Teresita >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/capellemc%40fastmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/paigecmiller6%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/teresitarios22%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sanho817%40gmail.com From syedrizvinfb at gmail.com Thu Jan 11 19:33:27 2024 From: syedrizvinfb at gmail.com (Syed Rizvi) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 14:33:27 -0500 Subject: [blindLaw] Windows computer Suggestions In-Reply-To: References: <0156F74B-F1C0-436E-A962-E7F8F274D00B@gmail.com> Message-ID: I used a Lenovo X1 Carbon in a pre law summer internship at a firm before law school. It worked so well that I bought one for law school and it’s been a beast. At the firm where I am currently headed to, they use Dells, and they are absolutely terrible. Dells have this notorious spatial audio issue and it’s just horrible. I only use JAWS. There’s something about firm laptops though that just makes them glitch out. I think it probably has something to do with all of their extra software applications running on them for security and stuff. I’d suggest avoiding a Dell and if they’re paying for it, maxing out the capabilities can only help with handling the load of terribly designed assistive programs. On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 2:24 PM Sanho Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw < blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: > For those of you using screen-readers on Windows machines who are > experiencing frequent crashes, do you happen to have a Dell? Certain Dell > machines are infamous for a memory leak that causes constant sound to crash > the operating system after some time. The screen-reader works fine, then > crackles, lags, and eventually gives you the modern equivalent of the blue > screen of death. > > Sanho > > > On Jan 11, 2024, at 2:17 PM, Teresita Rios via BlindLaw < > blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: > > > > Hi Page, > > I use a Mac but a new firm prefers Windows. I told them my bad > experiance with Windoes and ZoomTex and Fusion and they still ask for a > Windows alternative. So here I am trying to figure out the windows world. > > > > My Mac has only glitched like twice in the three years I had it. > > I use Zoom with Spoken Content at the same time. This combination is > pretty much ZoomText. It reads what is underneath the cursor and what you > type. > > However, sometimes for some reason a webpage or PDF is not being read by > Spoken Content. But in such a case I just turn on VoiceOver. VoiceOver, is > controlled by the keyboard (not the cursor) can also be used with zoom on > a Mac. and you have essentially Fusion. > > > > Warmly, > > Teresita > > > > > >> On Jan 11, 2024, at 2:02 PM, Paige via BlindLaw > wrote: > >> > >> Hi! > >> > >> I’m using a 32GB ram, i7 processor, and not sure what type of video > memory. > >> > >> My system is constantly crashing, but I use Fusion. I got the same > response from Freedom Scientific. > >> > >> Does anyone who uses Apple/Voiceover have these issues? > >> > >> Thank you, > >> Paige > >> > >>>> On Jan 11, 2024, at 11:56 AM, Capelle, Michael C. via BlindLaw < > blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: > >>> > >>> I am running a 16 GB system with a core I 5/12 General processor, 512 > GB of hard drive, with no issues whatsoever. My laptop is running four gigs > of ram, a core three, and a 256 GB hard drive, with no issues at all. > >>> Sent with Mike’s iPhone 14 promax. > >>> > >>>> On Jan 11, 2024, at 12:39 PM, Teresita Rios via BlindLaw < > blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Dear all, > >>>> > >>>> I called Freedom Scientific for suggestions of what computers would > not constantly crash with their software. and they gave me a list of speks > like 32 GB of ram and large Cache video memory. I asked what is a good > number and what Cache is. But they were not helpfull stating “large vvideo > rendering memory is all you need” and that they could not give me more > specifics. > >>>> So if I am overwhelmed by the number of Windows computers out there, > I humbly request aid by providing a starting point. I have several > questions. > >>>> Do you use Zoomtex, JAWS or Fusion? > >>>> if yes, > >>>> How often does your computer crash? > >>>> if not very often > >>>> What Windows computer are you using? what are the specs? RAM and SSD > and other memory internal things. > >>>> > >>>> Does anyone know what is a good amount of cache or how to check for > that on a computer? > >>>> > >>>> Thank you all! > >>>> Teresita > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> BlindLaw mailing list > >>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/capellemc%40fastmail.com > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> BlindLaw mailing list > >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/paigecmiller6%40gmail.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> BlindLaw mailing list > >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/teresitarios22%40gmail.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > BlindLaw mailing list > > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sanho817%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/syedrizvinfb%40gmail.com > From paigecmiller6 at gmail.com Thu Jan 11 19:35:01 2024 From: paigecmiller6 at gmail.com (Paige) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 12:35:01 -0700 Subject: [blindLaw] Windows computer Suggestions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Sanho, I have a Dell Precision, so my issue could be related to that. My machine also crashes and then takes like 15 minutes to reboot, even though I just replaced the internal battery and charger. I have no idea if that is related to using Fusion for long periods and draining the battery. Thanks! > On Jan 11, 2024, at 12:24 PM, Sanho Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw wrote: > > For those of you using screen-readers on Windows machines who are experiencing frequent crashes, do you happen to have a Dell? Certain Dell machines are infamous for a memory leak that causes constant sound to crash the operating system after some time. The screen-reader works fine, then crackles, lags, and eventually gives you the modern equivalent of the blue screen of death. > > Sanho > >> On Jan 11, 2024, at 2:17 PM, Teresita Rios via BlindLaw wrote: >> >> Hi Page, >> I use a Mac but a new firm prefers Windows. I told them my bad experiance with Windoes and ZoomTex and Fusion and they still ask for a Windows alternative. So here I am trying to figure out the windows world. >> >> My Mac has only glitched like twice in the three years I had it. >> I use Zoom with Spoken Content at the same time. This combination is pretty much ZoomText. It reads what is underneath the cursor and what you type. >> However, sometimes for some reason a webpage or PDF is not being read by Spoken Content. But in such a case I just turn on VoiceOver. VoiceOver, is controlled by the keyboard (not the cursor) can also be used with zoom on a Mac. and you have essentially Fusion. >> >> Warmly, >> Teresita >> >> >>>> On Jan 11, 2024, at 2:02 PM, Paige via BlindLaw wrote: >>> >>> Hi! >>> >>> I’m using a 32GB ram, i7 processor, and not sure what type of video memory. >>> >>> My system is constantly crashing, but I use Fusion. I got the same response from Freedom Scientific. >>> >>> Does anyone who uses Apple/Voiceover have these issues? >>> >>> Thank you, >>> Paige >>> >>>>> On Jan 11, 2024, at 11:56 AM, Capelle, Michael C. via BlindLaw wrote: >>>> >>>> I am running a 16 GB system with a core I 5/12 General processor, 512 GB of hard drive, with no issues whatsoever. My laptop is running four gigs of ram, a core three, and a 256 GB hard drive, with no issues at all. >>>> Sent with Mike’s iPhone 14 promax. >>>> >>>>> On Jan 11, 2024, at 12:39 PM, Teresita Rios via BlindLaw wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Dear all, >>>>> >>>>> I called Freedom Scientific for suggestions of what computers would not constantly crash with their software. and they gave me a list of speks like 32 GB of ram and large Cache video memory. I asked what is a good number and what Cache is. But they were not helpfull stating “large vvideo rendering memory is all you need” and that they could not give me more specifics. >>>>> So if I am overwhelmed by the number of Windows computers out there, I humbly request aid by providing a starting point. I have several questions. >>>>> Do you use Zoomtex, JAWS or Fusion? >>>>> if yes, >>>>> How often does your computer crash? >>>>> if not very often >>>>> What Windows computer are you using? what are the specs? RAM and SSD and other memory internal things. >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone know what is a good amount of cache or how to check for that on a computer? >>>>> >>>>> Thank you all! >>>>> Teresita >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/capellemc%40fastmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/paigecmiller6%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/teresitarios22%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sanho817%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/paigecmiller6%40gmail.com From AMatney at reedsmith.com Thu Jan 11 19:40:00 2024 From: AMatney at reedsmith.com (Matney, Angela R.) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 19:40:00 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] Windows computer Suggestions In-Reply-To: References: <0156F74B-F1C0-436E-A962-E7F8F274D00B@gmail.com> , Message-ID: Hi Syed, Good points—the software used by a particular firm can definitely contribute to the frequency of screen-reader crashes. I use a Dell also. A couple years back, there was an audio driver issue that caused many JAWS crashes. That has since been resolved. There are settings you can tweak to address the spacial audio mode on Dell machines—I can post more info about that if anyone is interested. Best, Angie Composed in Braille on a mobile device ________________________________ From: BlindLaw on behalf of Syed Rizvi via BlindLaw Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2024 2:33:27 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Syed Rizvi Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Windows computer Suggestions External E-Mail - FROM BlindLaw I used a Lenovo X1 Carbon in a pre law summer internship at a firm before law school. It worked so well that I bought one for law school and it’s been a beast. At the firm where I am currently headed to, they use Dells, and they are absolutely terrible. Dells have this notorious spatial audio issue and it’s just horrible. I only use JAWS. There’s something about firm laptops though that just makes them glitch out. I think it probably has something to do with all of their extra software applications running on them for security and stuff. I’d suggest avoiding a Dell and if they’re paying for it, maxing out the capabilities can only help with handling the load of terribly designed assistive programs. On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 2:24 PM Sanho Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw < blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: > For those of you using screen-readers on Windows machines who are > experiencing frequent crashes, do you happen to have a Dell? Certain Dell > machines are infamous for a memory leak that causes constant sound to crash > the operating system after some time. The screen-reader works fine, then > crackles, lags, and eventually gives you the modern equivalent of the blue > screen of death. > > Sanho > > > On Jan 11, 2024, at 2:17 PM, Teresita Rios via BlindLaw < > blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: > > > > Hi Page, > > I use a Mac but a new firm prefers Windows. I told them my bad > experiance with Windoes and ZoomTex and Fusion and they still ask for a > Windows alternative. So here I am trying to figure out the windows world. > > > > My Mac has only glitched like twice in the three years I had it. > > I use Zoom with Spoken Content at the same time. This combination is > pretty much ZoomText. It reads what is underneath the cursor and what you > type. > > However, sometimes for some reason a webpage or PDF is not being read by > Spoken Content. But in such a case I just turn on VoiceOver. VoiceOver, is > controlled by the keyboard (not the cursor) can also be used with zoom on > a Mac. and you have essentially Fusion. > > > > Warmly, > > Teresita > > > > > >> On Jan 11, 2024, at 2:02 PM, Paige via BlindLaw > wrote: > >> > >> Hi! > >> > >> I’m using a 32GB ram, i7 processor, and not sure what type of video > memory. > >> > >> My system is constantly crashing, but I use Fusion. I got the same > response from Freedom Scientific. > >> > >> Does anyone who uses Apple/Voiceover have these issues? > >> > >> Thank you, > >> Paige > >> > >>>> On Jan 11, 2024, at 11:56 AM, Capelle, Michael C. via BlindLaw < > blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: > >>> > >>> I am running a 16 GB system with a core I 5/12 General processor, 512 > GB of hard drive, with no issues whatsoever. My laptop is running four gigs > of ram, a core three, and a 256 GB hard drive, with no issues at all. > >>> Sent with Mike’s iPhone 14 promax. > >>> > >>>> On Jan 11, 2024, at 12:39 PM, Teresita Rios via BlindLaw < > blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Dear all, > >>>> > >>>> I called Freedom Scientific for suggestions of what computers would > not constantly crash with their software. and they gave me a list of speks > like 32 GB of ram and large Cache video memory. I asked what is a good > number and what Cache is. But they were not helpfull stating “large vvideo > rendering memory is all you need” and that they could not give me more > specifics. > >>>> So if I am overwhelmed by the number of Windows computers out there, > I humbly request aid by providing a starting point. I have several > questions. > >>>> Do you use Zoomtex, JAWS or Fusion? > >>>> if yes, > >>>> How often does your computer crash? > >>>> if not very often > >>>> What Windows computer are you using? what are the specs? RAM and SSD > and other memory internal things. > >>>> > >>>> Does anyone know what is a good amount of cache or how to check for > that on a computer? > >>>> > >>>> Thank you all! > >>>> Teresita > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> BlindLaw mailing list > >>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/capellemc%40fastmail.com > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> BlindLaw mailing list > >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/paigecmiller6%40gmail.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> BlindLaw mailing list > >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/teresitarios22%40gmail.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > BlindLaw mailing list > > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sanho817%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/syedrizvinfb%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/amatney%40reedsmith.com * * * This E-mail, along with any attachments, is considered confidential and may well be legally privileged. If you have received it in error, you are on notice of its status. Please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. Please do not copy it or use it for any purposes, or disclose its contents to any other person. Thank you for your cooperation. Disclaimer Version RS.US.201.407.01 From sanho817 at gmail.com Thu Jan 11 19:53:49 2024 From: sanho817 at gmail.com (Sanho Steele-Louchart) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 14:53:49 -0500 Subject: [blindLaw] Windows computer Suggestions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6CFD5CC3-BE7D-4377-A2CC-296074150569@gmail.com> All, The solution to the overly echoic spatial audio issue is to turn off all enhancements in the sound settings. No one's mentioned it yet, but the solution to the half-second delay upon wakeup is to pipe silent noise into the audio driver. And no one I've ever heard of has been able to find a solution to the memory leak issue that seems to be unique to Dell. We know it's below the operating system because it happens even on fresh installations and installations from partitions. It also happens even if you download the generic audio drivers, turn off automatic updates, turn off automatic reinstallation, and reboot the system. And neither powershell nor command prompt seem able to touch it. I've heard a rumor that all of this means it's something to do with the motherboard, but that's where my knowledge, stretched thin as it is, simply runs out completely. I would love to know more if anyone has something to add about the Dell audio issues so I can help find systemic solutions. I've had Dells that worked great and Dells that had all of the problems listed above. It's bizarre. As for non-Dells, I love HP and Lonovo. Nothing special, particularly. Just basic business class machines. Sanho > n Jan 11, 2024, at 2:36 PM, Paige via BlindLaw wrote: > > Hi Sanho, > > I have a Dell Precision, so my issue could be related to that. My machine also crashes and then takes like 15 minutes to reboot, even though I just replaced the internal battery and charger. I have no idea if that is related to using Fusion for long periods and draining the battery. > > Thanks! > >> On Jan 11, 2024, at 12:24 PM, Sanho Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw wrote: >> >> For those of you using screen-readers on Windows machines who are experiencing frequent crashes, do you happen to have a Dell? Certain Dell machines are infamous for a memory leak that causes constant sound to crash the operating system after some time. The screen-reader works fine, then crackles, lags, and eventually gives you the modern equivalent of the blue screen of death. >> >> Sanho >> >>>> On Jan 11, 2024, at 2:17 PM, Teresita Rios via BlindLaw wrote: >>> >>> Hi Page, >>> I use a Mac but a new firm prefers Windows. I told them my bad experiance with Windoes and ZoomTex and Fusion and they still ask for a Windows alternative. So here I am trying to figure out the windows world. >>> >>> My Mac has only glitched like twice in the three years I had it. >>> I use Zoom with Spoken Content at the same time. This combination is pretty much ZoomText. It reads what is underneath the cursor and what you type. >>> However, sometimes for some reason a webpage or PDF is not being read by Spoken Content. But in such a case I just turn on VoiceOver. VoiceOver, is controlled by the keyboard (not the cursor) can also be used with zoom on a Mac. and you have essentially Fusion. >>> >>> Warmly, >>> Teresita >>> >>> >>>>> On Jan 11, 2024, at 2:02 PM, Paige via BlindLaw wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi! >>>> >>>> I’m using a 32GB ram, i7 processor, and not sure what type of video memory. >>>> >>>> My system is constantly crashing, but I use Fusion. I got the same response from Freedom Scientific. >>>> >>>> Does anyone who uses Apple/Voiceover have these issues? >>>> >>>> Thank you, >>>> Paige >>>> >>>>>> On Jan 11, 2024, at 11:56 AM, Capelle, Michael C. via BlindLaw wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I am running a 16 GB system with a core I 5/12 General processor, 512 GB of hard drive, with no issues whatsoever. My laptop is running four gigs of ram, a core three, and a 256 GB hard drive, with no issues at all. >>>>> Sent with Mike’s iPhone 14 promax. >>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 11, 2024, at 12:39 PM, Teresita Rios via BlindLaw wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>> >>>>>> I called Freedom Scientific for suggestions of what computers would not constantly crash with their software. and they gave me a list of speks like 32 GB of ram and large Cache video memory. I asked what is a good number and what Cache is. But they were not helpfull stating “large vvideo rendering memory is all you need” and that they could not give me more specifics. >>>>>> So if I am overwhelmed by the number of Windows computers out there, I humbly request aid by providing a starting point. I have several questions. >>>>>> Do you use Zoomtex, JAWS or Fusion? >>>>>> if yes, >>>>>> How often does your computer crash? >>>>>> if not very often >>>>>> What Windows computer are you using? what are the specs? RAM and SSD and other memory internal things. >>>>>> >>>>>> Does anyone know what is a good amount of cache or how to check for that on a computer? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you all! >>>>>> Teresita >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/capellemc%40fastmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/paigecmiller6%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/teresitarios22%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sanho817%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/paigecmiller6%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sanho817%40gmail.com From AMatney at reedsmith.com Thu Jan 11 19:57:15 2024 From: AMatney at reedsmith.com (Matney, Angela R.) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 19:57:15 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] Windows computer Suggestions In-Reply-To: <6CFD5CC3-BE7D-4377-A2CC-296074150569@gmail.com> References: <6CFD5CC3-BE7D-4377-A2CC-296074150569@gmail.com> Message-ID: <148d1b12a9314cab973619e21e7e502b@reedsmith.com> Thanks, Sanho. I've been fortunate not to have experienced the memory leak issue you are talking about. That sounds horrible. I do prefer HP and Lenovo--my current non-work laptop is a Lenovo, and it's great. Best, Angie Angela R. Matney, CIPP/US (Angie) Counsel D: +1 202-414-9343 Preferred pronouns: she/her amatney at reedsmith.com Bio|vCard|E-Mail|ReedSmith.com 1301 K Street, NW, Suite 1000 Washington, DC 20005 ReedSmith -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Sanho Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2024 2:54 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Sanho Steele-Louchart Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Windows computer Suggestions External E-Mail - FROM BlindLaw All, The solution to the overly echoic spatial audio issue is to turn off all enhancements in the sound settings. No one's mentioned it yet, but the solution to the half-second delay upon wakeup is to pipe silent noise into the audio driver. And no one I've ever heard of has been able to find a solution to the memory leak issue that seems to be unique to Dell. We know it's below the operating system because it happens even on fresh installations and installations from partitions. It also happens even if you download the generic audio drivers, turn off automatic updates, turn off automatic reinstallation, and reboot the system. And neither powershell nor command prompt seem able to touch it. I've heard a rumor that all of this means it's something to do with the motherboard, but that's where my knowledge, stretched thin as it is, simply runs out completely. I would love to know more if anyone has something to add about the Dell audio issues so I can help find systemic solutions. I've had Dells that worked great and Dells that had all of the problems listed above. It's bizarre. As for non-Dells, I love HP and Lonovo. Nothing special, particularly. Just basic business class machines. Sanho > n Jan 11, 2024, at 2:36 PM, Paige via BlindLaw wrote: > > Hi Sanho, > > I have a Dell Precision, so my issue could be related to that. My machine also crashes and then takes like 15 minutes to reboot, even though I just replaced the internal battery and charger. I have no idea if that is related to using Fusion for long periods and draining the battery. > > Thanks! > >> On Jan 11, 2024, at 12:24 PM, Sanho Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw wrote: >> >> For those of you using screen-readers on Windows machines who are experiencing frequent crashes, do you happen to have a Dell? Certain Dell machines are infamous for a memory leak that causes constant sound to crash the operating system after some time. The screen-reader works fine, then crackles, lags, and eventually gives you the modern equivalent of the blue screen of death. >> >> Sanho >> >>>> On Jan 11, 2024, at 2:17 PM, Teresita Rios via BlindLaw wrote: >>> >>> Hi Page, >>> I use a Mac but a new firm prefers Windows. I told them my bad experiance with Windoes and ZoomTex and Fusion and they still ask for a Windows alternative. So here I am trying to figure out the windows world. >>> >>> My Mac has only glitched like twice in the three years I had it. >>> I use Zoom with Spoken Content at the same time. This combination is pretty much ZoomText. It reads what is underneath the cursor and what you type. >>> However, sometimes for some reason a webpage or PDF is not being read by Spoken Content. But in such a case I just turn on VoiceOver. VoiceOver, is controlled by the keyboard (not the cursor) can also be used with zoom on a Mac. and you have essentially Fusion. >>> >>> Warmly, >>> Teresita >>> >>> >>>>> On Jan 11, 2024, at 2:02 PM, Paige via BlindLaw wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi! >>>> >>>> I’m using a 32GB ram, i7 processor, and not sure what type of video memory. >>>> >>>> My system is constantly crashing, but I use Fusion. I got the same response from Freedom Scientific. >>>> >>>> Does anyone who uses Apple/Voiceover have these issues? >>>> >>>> Thank you, >>>> Paige >>>> >>>>>> On Jan 11, 2024, at 11:56 AM, Capelle, Michael C. via BlindLaw wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I am running a 16 GB system with a core I 5/12 General processor, 512 GB of hard drive, with no issues whatsoever. My laptop is running four gigs of ram, a core three, and a 256 GB hard drive, with no issues at all. >>>>> Sent with Mike’s iPhone 14 promax. >>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 11, 2024, at 12:39 PM, Teresita Rios via BlindLaw wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>> >>>>>> I called Freedom Scientific for suggestions of what computers would not constantly crash with their software. and they gave me a list of speks like 32 GB of ram and large Cache video memory. I asked what is a good number and what Cache is. But they were not helpfull stating “large vvideo rendering memory is all you need” and that they could not give me more specifics. >>>>>> So if I am overwhelmed by the number of Windows computers out there, I humbly request aid by providing a starting point. I have several questions. >>>>>> Do you use Zoomtex, JAWS or Fusion? >>>>>> if yes, >>>>>> How often does your computer crash? >>>>>> if not very often >>>>>> What Windows computer are you using? what are the specs? RAM and SSD and other memory internal things. >>>>>> >>>>>> Does anyone know what is a good amount of cache or how to check for that on a computer? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you all! >>>>>> Teresita >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/capellemc%40fastmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/paigecmiller6%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/teresitarios22%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sanho817%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/paigecmiller6%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sanho817%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/amatney%40reedsmith.com * * * This E-mail, along with any attachments, is considered confidential and may well be legally privileged. If you have received it in error, you are on notice of its status. Please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. Please do not copy it or use it for any purposes, or disclose its contents to any other person. Thank you for your cooperation. Disclaimer Version RS.US.201.407.01 From sanho817 at gmail.com Thu Jan 11 19:57:34 2024 From: sanho817 at gmail.com (Sanho Steele-Louchart) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 14:57:34 -0500 Subject: [blindLaw] Windows computer Suggestions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <85C2739E-4A43-4A8F-96D0-2BC6875579BD@gmail.com> Angie: You said an audio driver issue's been fixed. Did you mean the memory leak? If so, can you say more? I just replaced my personal Dell and am helping multiple clients with this ongoing issue. Sanho > On Jan 11, 2024, at 2:41 PM, Matney, Angela R. via BlindLaw wrote: > > Hi Syed, > > Good points—the software used by a particular firm can definitely contribute to the frequency of screen-reader crashes. I use a Dell also. A couple years back, there was an audio driver issue that caused many JAWS crashes. That has since been resolved. There are settings you can tweak to address the spacial audio mode on Dell machines—I can post more info about that if anyone is interested. > > Best, > > Angie > > > Composed in Braille on a mobile device > ________________________________ > From: BlindLaw on behalf of Syed Rizvi via BlindLaw > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2024 2:33:27 PM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Syed Rizvi > Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Windows computer Suggestions > > External E-Mail - FROM BlindLaw > > I used a Lenovo X1 Carbon in a pre law summer internship at a firm before > law school. It worked so well that I bought one for law school and it’s > been a beast. At the firm where I am currently headed to, they use Dells, > and they are absolutely terrible. Dells have this notorious spatial audio > issue and it’s just horrible. I only use JAWS. There’s something about firm > laptops though that just makes them glitch out. I think it probably has > something to do with all of their extra software applications running on > them for security and stuff. I’d suggest avoiding a Dell and if they’re > paying for it, maxing out the capabilities can only help with handling the > load of terribly designed assistive programs. > >> On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 2:24 PM Sanho Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw < >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: >> >> For those of you using screen-readers on Windows machines who are >> experiencing frequent crashes, do you happen to have a Dell? Certain Dell >> machines are infamous for a memory leak that causes constant sound to crash >> the operating system after some time. The screen-reader works fine, then >> crackles, lags, and eventually gives you the modern equivalent of the blue >> screen of death. >> >> Sanho >> >>> On Jan 11, 2024, at 2:17 PM, Teresita Rios via BlindLaw < >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Page, >>> I use a Mac but a new firm prefers Windows. I told them my bad >> experiance with Windoes and ZoomTex and Fusion and they still ask for a >> Windows alternative. So here I am trying to figure out the windows world. >>> >>> My Mac has only glitched like twice in the three years I had it. >>> I use Zoom with Spoken Content at the same time. This combination is >> pretty much ZoomText. It reads what is underneath the cursor and what you >> type. >>> However, sometimes for some reason a webpage or PDF is not being read by >> Spoken Content. But in such a case I just turn on VoiceOver. VoiceOver, is >> controlled by the keyboard (not the cursor) can also be used with zoom on >> a Mac. and you have essentially Fusion. >>> >>> Warmly, >>> Teresita >>> >>> >>>> On Jan 11, 2024, at 2:02 PM, Paige via BlindLaw >> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi! >>>> >>>> I’m using a 32GB ram, i7 processor, and not sure what type of video >> memory. >>>> >>>> My system is constantly crashing, but I use Fusion. I got the same >> response from Freedom Scientific. >>>> >>>> Does anyone who uses Apple/Voiceover have these issues? >>>> >>>> Thank you, >>>> Paige >>>> >>>>>> On Jan 11, 2024, at 11:56 AM, Capelle, Michael C. via BlindLaw < >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I am running a 16 GB system with a core I 5/12 General processor, 512 >> GB of hard drive, with no issues whatsoever. My laptop is running four gigs >> of ram, a core three, and a 256 GB hard drive, with no issues at all. >>>>> Sent with Mike’s iPhone 14 promax. >>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 11, 2024, at 12:39 PM, Teresita Rios via BlindLaw < >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>> >>>>>> I called Freedom Scientific for suggestions of what computers would >> not constantly crash with their software. and they gave me a list of speks >> like 32 GB of ram and large Cache video memory. I asked what is a good >> number and what Cache is. But they were not helpfull stating “large vvideo >> rendering memory is all you need” and that they could not give me more >> specifics. >>>>>> So if I am overwhelmed by the number of Windows computers out there, >> I humbly request aid by providing a starting point. I have several >> questions. >>>>>> Do you use Zoomtex, JAWS or Fusion? >>>>>> if yes, >>>>>> How often does your computer crash? >>>>>> if not very often >>>>>> What Windows computer are you using? what are the specs? RAM and SSD >> and other memory internal things. >>>>>> >>>>>> Does anyone know what is a good amount of cache or how to check for >> that on a computer? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you all! >>>>>> Teresita >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >>>>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/capellemc%40fastmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >>>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/paigecmiller6%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/teresitarios22%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sanho817%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/syedrizvinfb%40gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/amatney%40reedsmith.com > > > > > * * * > > This E-mail, along with any attachments, is considered confidential and may well be legally privileged. If you have received it in error, you are on notice of its status. Please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. Please do not copy it or use it for any purposes, or disclose its contents to any other person. Thank you for your cooperation. > > Disclaimer Version RS.US.201.407.01 > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sanho817%40gmail.com From AMatney at reedsmith.com Thu Jan 11 20:06:31 2024 From: AMatney at reedsmith.com (Matney, Angela R.) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 20:06:31 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] Windows computer Suggestions In-Reply-To: <85C2739E-4A43-4A8F-96D0-2BC6875579BD@gmail.com> References: <85C2739E-4A43-4A8F-96D0-2BC6875579BD@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Sanho, I'm not sure if this is the same issue or not. It sounds similar, but the behavior you describe below wasn't exactly what I experienced. Still, in case it is helpful, the solution was to disable the Waves MaxxAudio service. More info is at https://www.perkins.org/resource/dell-computer-and-jaws-bug/. I'm pasting excerpts below as well. I thought this had also been addressed in JAWS, but it could be that this is the culprit related to what you have experienced. Dell Computer and JAWS Bug Does Windows become sluggish, applications close or crash, or virtual memory errors appear on your Dell computer? Freedom Scientific Technical Support shares about this bug and a work-around solution. Short Description On Dell computers, Windows becomes sluggish, Virtual memory errors appear, or applications unexpectedly close or crash when Waves MaxxAudio Service is running. Problem If your Dell PC or laptop uses the Waves MaxxAudio Service for its onboard audio chipset, problems may occur the longer you use the computer. Windows may become sluggish. Applications such as JAWS or Microsoft Teams may close or crash unexpectedly. Virtual memory errors might occur. See the Detailed Description section link below before continuing to the Solution if you wish to have more background information. Solution To disable or enable the Waves MaxxAudio Service Application: Open Task Manager (the shortcut is CTRL+SHIFT+ESC). Press the TAB key once. If this navigates to More Details, then press the SPACEBAR to show more details. Navigate to the Startup tab. Navigate to the list of items table. Type w to navigate to the items starting with the letter w. Press the DOWN ARROW key, if needed to navigate to Waves MaxxAudio Service Application. If it is not in the list, then this is not the cause of the problem. With Waves MaxxAudio Service Application selected, press ALT+A to disable it. Restart the computer. Use the computer for a few hours or so, without rebooting, until you are convinced the performance issues no longer exist. This may take several sessions. If the problem persists and you want to reenable Waves MaxxAudio Service Application, follow steps 1 through 8 but in step 8, press ALT+N to enable it. Note: The only real downside to disabling the Waves MaxxAudio Service Application is that the PC will no longer dynamically respond to plugging in a different output audio device. For example, if you plug in headphones, the computer will not use them until rebooting. Angela R. Matney, CIPP/US (Angie) Counsel D: +1 202-414-9343 Preferred pronouns: she/her amatney at reedsmith.com Bio|vCard|E-Mail|ReedSmith.com 1301 K Street, NW, Suite 1000 Washington, DC 20005 ReedSmith -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Sanho Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2024 2:58 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Sanho Steele-Louchart Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Windows computer Suggestions External E-Mail - FROM BlindLaw Angie: You said an audio driver issue's been fixed. Did you mean the memory leak? If so, can you say more? I just replaced my personal Dell and am helping multiple clients with this ongoing issue. Sanho > On Jan 11, 2024, at 2:41 PM, Matney, Angela R. via BlindLaw wrote: > > Hi Syed, > > Good points—the software used by a particular firm can definitely contribute to the frequency of screen-reader crashes. I use a Dell also. A couple years back, there was an audio driver issue that caused many JAWS crashes. That has since been resolved. There are settings you can tweak to address the spacial audio mode on Dell machines—I can post more info about that if anyone is interested. > > Best, > > Angie > > > Composed in Braille on a mobile device > ________________________________ > From: BlindLaw on behalf of Syed Rizvi > via BlindLaw > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2024 2:33:27 PM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Syed Rizvi > Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Windows computer Suggestions > > External E-Mail - FROM BlindLaw > > I used a Lenovo X1 Carbon in a pre law summer internship at a firm > before law school. It worked so well that I bought one for law school > and it’s been a beast. At the firm where I am currently headed to, > they use Dells, and they are absolutely terrible. Dells have this > notorious spatial audio issue and it’s just horrible. I only use JAWS. > There’s something about firm laptops though that just makes them > glitch out. I think it probably has something to do with all of their > extra software applications running on them for security and stuff. > I’d suggest avoiding a Dell and if they’re paying for it, maxing out > the capabilities can only help with handling the load of terribly designed assistive programs. > >> On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 2:24 PM Sanho Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw < >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: >> >> For those of you using screen-readers on Windows machines who are >> experiencing frequent crashes, do you happen to have a Dell? Certain >> Dell machines are infamous for a memory leak that causes constant >> sound to crash the operating system after some time. The >> screen-reader works fine, then crackles, lags, and eventually gives >> you the modern equivalent of the blue screen of death. >> >> Sanho >> >>> On Jan 11, 2024, at 2:17 PM, Teresita Rios via BlindLaw < >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Page, >>> I use a Mac but a new firm prefers Windows. I told them my bad >> experiance with Windoes and ZoomTex and Fusion and they still ask for >> a Windows alternative. So here I am trying to figure out the windows world. >>> >>> My Mac has only glitched like twice in the three years I had it. >>> I use Zoom with Spoken Content at the same time. This combination is >> pretty much ZoomText. It reads what is underneath the cursor and >> what you type. >>> However, sometimes for some reason a webpage or PDF is not being >>> read by >> Spoken Content. But in such a case I just turn on VoiceOver. >> VoiceOver, is controlled by the keyboard (not the cursor) can also >> be used with zoom on a Mac. and you have essentially Fusion. >>> >>> Warmly, >>> Teresita >>> >>> >>>> On Jan 11, 2024, at 2:02 PM, Paige via BlindLaw >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi! >>>> >>>> I’m using a 32GB ram, i7 processor, and not sure what type of video >> memory. >>>> >>>> My system is constantly crashing, but I use Fusion. I got the same >> response from Freedom Scientific. >>>> >>>> Does anyone who uses Apple/Voiceover have these issues? >>>> >>>> Thank you, >>>> Paige >>>> >>>>>> On Jan 11, 2024, at 11:56 AM, Capelle, Michael C. via BlindLaw < >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I am running a 16 GB system with a core I 5/12 General processor, >>>>> 512 >> GB of hard drive, with no issues whatsoever. My laptop is running >> four gigs of ram, a core three, and a 256 GB hard drive, with no issues at all. >>>>> Sent with Mike’s iPhone 14 promax. >>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 11, 2024, at 12:39 PM, Teresita Rios via BlindLaw < >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>> >>>>>> I called Freedom Scientific for suggestions of what computers >>>>>> would >> not constantly crash with their software. and they gave me a list of >> speks like 32 GB of ram and large Cache video memory. I asked what is >> a good number and what Cache is. But they were not helpfull stating >> “large vvideo rendering memory is all you need” and that they could >> not give me more specifics. >>>>>> So if I am overwhelmed by the number of Windows computers out >>>>>> there, >> I humbly request aid by providing a starting point. I have several >> questions. >>>>>> Do you use Zoomtex, JAWS or Fusion? >>>>>> if yes, >>>>>> How often does your computer crash? >>>>>> if not very often >>>>>> What Windows computer are you using? what are the specs? RAM and >>>>>> SSD >> and other memory internal things. >>>>>> >>>>>> Does anyone know what is a good amount of cache or how to check >>>>>> for >> that on a computer? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you all! >>>>>> Teresita >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for >> BlindLaw: >>>>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/capellemc%40fas >> tmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >> BlindLaw: >>>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/paigecmiller6%4 >> 0gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >> BlindLaw: >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/teresitarios22% >> 40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >> BlindLaw: >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sanho817%40gmai >> l.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/syedrizvinfb%40 >> gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/amatney%40reedsm > ith.com > > > > > * * * > > This E-mail, along with any attachments, is considered confidential and may well be legally privileged. 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Thank you for your cooperation. > > Disclaimer Version RS.US.201.407.01 > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sanho817%40gmail > .com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/amatney%40reedsmith.com From BrianUnitt at holsteinlaw.com Thu Jan 11 20:27:18 2024 From: BrianUnitt at holsteinlaw.com (Brian Unitt) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 20:27:18 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] Windows computer Suggestions In-Reply-To: References: <0156F74B-F1C0-436E-A962-E7F8F274D00B@gmail.com> Message-ID: I've been using Lenovos since 2015 and think they are great. As an appellate specialist, my laptop is my most important tool, so on my X1 Carbon 11th gen, I have the top end processor, 32 MB RAM and a 500GB SSD. Besides the normal word processing (still on WordPerfect) e-mail, and Westlaw research, I spend a lot of time on Zoom and do a lot of OCR, so I don't think 32 MB is overkill these days. My IT contractor is partial to Lenovo, and strongly recommends against Dell. Best, Brian Brian C. Unitt Certified Specialist in Appellate Law By the State Bar of California Law Office of Brian C. Unitt 6185 Magnolia Ave, PMB 40 Riverside, CA 92506 P: 951-682-7030 E: brianunitt at holsteinlaw.com Visit my Website NOTICE:  This communication is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain attorney/client information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law.  If the reader of this communication is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering this communication to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited.  If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply email or by telephone and immediately delete this communication and all its attachments. Confidentiality Disclaimer This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual(s) to whom it is addressed. The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If you are not the author's intended recipient, be advised that you have received this email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please delete all copies, both electronic and printed, and contact the author immediately. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Syed Rizvi via BlindLaw Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2024 11:33 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Syed Rizvi Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Windows computer Suggestions I used a Lenovo X1 Carbon in a pre law summer internship at a firm before law school. It worked so well that I bought one for law school and it’s been a beast. At the firm where I am currently headed to, they use Dells, and they are absolutely terrible. Dells have this notorious spatial audio issue and it’s just horrible. I only use JAWS. There’s something about firm laptops though that just makes them glitch out. I think it probably has something to do with all of their extra software applications running on them for security and stuff. I’d suggest avoiding a Dell and if they’re paying for it, maxing out the capabilities can only help with handling the load of terribly designed assistive programs. On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 2:24 PM Sanho Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw < blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: > For those of you using screen-readers on Windows machines who are > experiencing frequent crashes, do you happen to have a Dell? Certain > Dell machines are infamous for a memory leak that causes constant > sound to crash the operating system after some time. The screen-reader > works fine, then crackles, lags, and eventually gives you the modern > equivalent of the blue screen of death. > > Sanho > > > On Jan 11, 2024, at 2:17 PM, Teresita Rios via BlindLaw < > blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: > > > > Hi Page, > > I use a Mac but a new firm prefers Windows. I told them my bad > experiance with Windoes and ZoomTex and Fusion and they still ask for > a Windows alternative. So here I am trying to figure out the windows world. > > > > My Mac has only glitched like twice in the three years I had it. > > I use Zoom with Spoken Content at the same time. This combination is > pretty much ZoomText. It reads what is underneath the cursor and what > you type. > > However, sometimes for some reason a webpage or PDF is not being > > read by > Spoken Content. But in such a case I just turn on VoiceOver. > VoiceOver, is controlled by the keyboard (not the cursor) can also be > used with zoom on a Mac. and you have essentially Fusion. > > > > Warmly, > > Teresita > > > > > >> On Jan 11, 2024, at 2:02 PM, Paige via BlindLaw > >> > wrote: > >> > >> Hi! > >> > >> I’m using a 32GB ram, i7 processor, and not sure what type of video > memory. > >> > >> My system is constantly crashing, but I use Fusion. I got the same > response from Freedom Scientific. > >> > >> Does anyone who uses Apple/Voiceover have these issues? > >> > >> Thank you, > >> Paige > >> > >>>> On Jan 11, 2024, at 11:56 AM, Capelle, Michael C. via BlindLaw < > blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: > >>> > >>> I am running a 16 GB system with a core I 5/12 General processor, > >>> 512 > GB of hard drive, with no issues whatsoever. My laptop is running four > gigs of ram, a core three, and a 256 GB hard drive, with no issues at all. > >>> Sent with Mike’s iPhone 14 promax. > >>> > >>>> On Jan 11, 2024, at 12:39 PM, Teresita Rios via BlindLaw < > blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Dear all, > >>>> > >>>> I called Freedom Scientific for suggestions of what computers > >>>> would > not constantly crash with their software. and they gave me a list of > speks like 32 GB of ram and large Cache video memory. I asked what is > a good number and what Cache is. But they were not helpfull stating > “large vvideo rendering memory is all you need” and that they could > not give me more specifics. > >>>> So if I am overwhelmed by the number of Windows computers out > >>>> there, > I humbly request aid by providing a starting point. I have several > questions. > >>>> Do you use Zoomtex, JAWS or Fusion? > >>>> if yes, > >>>> How often does your computer crash? > >>>> if not very often > >>>> What Windows computer are you using? what are the specs? RAM and > >>>> SSD > and other memory internal things. > >>>> > >>>> Does anyone know what is a good amount of cache or how to check > >>>> for > that on a computer? > >>>> > >>>> Thank you all! > >>>> Teresita > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> BlindLaw mailing list > >>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >>>> for > BlindLaw: > >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/capellemc%40fast > mail.com > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> BlindLaw mailing list > >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >>> for > BlindLaw: > >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/paigecmiller6%40 > gmail.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> BlindLaw mailing list > >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >> for > BlindLaw: > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/teresitarios22%4 > 0gmail.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > BlindLaw mailing list > > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > > for > BlindLaw: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sanho817%40gmail > .com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/syedrizvinfb%40g > mail.com > _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/brianunitt%40holsteinlaw.com From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Thu Jan 11 21:18:16 2024 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 21:18:16 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] Intelligence agencies need to make SCIFs more accessible for employees with disabilities, GAO says - Government Executive - JANUARY 10, 2024 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thought this might be of interest to some of you! https://www.govexec.com/management/2024/01/intelligence-agencies-need-make-scifs-more-accessible-employees-disabilities-gao-says/393242/?oref=govexec_today_nl Intelligence agencies need to make SCIFs more accessible for employees with disabilities, GAO says By CARTEN CORDELL Government Executive JANUARY 10, 2024 The watchdog examined the facilities agencies use for processing classified information, finding that some barriers that prohibit access remain. A new report from the Government Accountability Office has found that federal agencies using special facilities handling classified materials have not consistently addressed how to make them more accessible for employees with disabilities. The public version of the audit, released on Tuesday, examined how 10 intelligence, defense and other agencies manage the accessibility of Sensitive Compartmented Information Facilities, or SCIFs, which are used to store and process high-level classified intelligence. Because of the sensitive nature of the information, GAO's public version of the report omitted the agencies' names when cited for specific examples, information on the agencies conducting SCIF accreditation and other information - though the agencies examined included the CIA, Defense Intelligence Agency, Homeland Security Department, Justice Department, Drug Enforcement Administration, FBI, National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency, National Reconnaissance Office, National Security Agency and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence. GAO officials said they found that ODNI - which sets standards for managing and constructing SCIFs - had not established guidance for "minimum specifications for common accessibility concerns and addressing accessibility in inspections," leading to inconsistent approaches to making SCIFs more accessible. The audit, which ran from June 2022 to January 2024, also found an ODNI database meant to catalog the thousands of SCIFs in use by intelligence agencies collectively known as the Intelligence Community, defense agencies and other agencies was incomplete, lacking consistent detail when compared to the information maintained by SCIF accreditors and internal agency databases. ODNI and other agencies have also worked in a variety of ways to address physical accessibility, with some improving entryways with touchless or automatic door openers, conducting access inspections, and developing engagement and outreach channels to better understand the improvements that still need to be made, the report said. But GAO also found that nine SCIFs maintained at five separate agencies still possessed a myriad of physical barriers that could prevent employees with disabilities from accessing them. "We found instances of obstructions such as tables, chairs and boxes positioned such that an employee in a wheelchair would be unable to move throughout the SCIF unassisted at four of the nine facilities we visited," the report said. "We also found instances where operable parts within SCIFs-such as door handles, printers, phones or keypads-would be inaccessible to some people with disabilities." Eight of the facilities had heavy doors with no automatic openers, as well as difficult-to-use electronic spin locks. Six of the SCIFs also had operable parts - used to insert or withdraw objects or deactivate systems like a keypad or badge reader- that were more than 48 inches above the ground. Four of the facilities had alarm panels that were more than 48 inches off the ground and another two lacked braille signage detailing the SCIF's identifiers or its keypads. "ODNI has guidance on the design and construction of SCIFs, but we found that guidance has limited information on ensuring physical access for people with disabilities," the report said. "For example, ODNI has not identified minimum specifications for common accessibility concerns in its guidance to the IC, including for automatic door openers, accessible door locks and intrusion detection systems and tactile signage." One official also told GAO that even when a SCIF initially meets accessibility requirements, it may fall out of compliance over time through "lapses in maintenance or moveable obstructions." The report noted that ODNI guidance calls for initial inspections and subsequent annual inspections, but doesn't specify that an accessibility review should be included. Access to assistive technologies that could aid employees with disabilities - such as sign language interpretation services on videophones, webcam-based video relay services or the Defense Department's Computer-Electronic/Accommodations Program - is improving at the agencies examined, GAO officials said. However, the report noted that there are still ongoing challenges within the SCIFs that impact access to assistive technologies, such as certain security countermeasures that can affect them, reciprocity challenges between agencies that create inconsistent applications and security reviews that can't keep pace with evolving assistive technologies. GAO offered four recommendations, including that the Director of National Intelligence helps implement plans for SCIF-accrediting agencies to report data on their inventory in a timely manner, issues new SCIF guidance with minimum specifications for entrance accessibility, issues new guidance that includes accessibility in the annual SCIF security inspection process and issues new guidance to consistently evaluate assistive technologies or medical devices for use in SCIFs, including addressing agency reciprocity. "ODNI did not provide information on whether it concurred with our recommendations, but provided technical comments," the report said. "In its technical comments, ODNI expressed concern with some of the language in our recommendations, which we adjusted as appropriate." From graham.hardy at gmail.com Thu Jan 11 23:45:28 2024 From: graham.hardy at gmail.com (Graham Hardy) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 15:45:28 -0800 Subject: [blindLaw] Windows computer Suggestions In-Reply-To: References: <40E27467-3075-4D62-932D-280EF4FE85BE@gmail.com> <7467E898-0612-4A02-AF65-0B8C11375118@fastmail.com> Message-ID: I've been very satisfied with a Lenovo ThinkPad X1. I used to have a Dell XPS and, in addition to some of the audio issues that have already been mentioned, there were a couple embarrassing experiences in court where it didn't disable the speaker when I connected headphones. The ThinkPad has been much more stable. It also has a much better keyboard. I didn't realise how much I'd appreciate this but it also has a cover built in to the front-facing camera whose position can be felt. I'd say the screen reader, at least JAWS, is much less prone to crashing than it did formerly. Mostly it's other pieces of software that are unstable. Nowadays, with Windows 11 making Narrator so easily available, I'd say you should be able to get back up and running most of the time without much of any loss of productivity if JAWS actually crashes. You could always do a search for laptop reviews, and I'd add the year to the search to yield current results. Personally, I find computers last a lot longer if you get more RAM and processor than you think you need now. Also, don't forget about wireless networking, which has come a long way in the past few years and needs modern hardware to take advantage of modern speed and stability. And don't forget about battery life! On 2024-01-11 11:06 AM, Julie A. Orozco via BlindLaw wrote: > I wonder if it makes a difference if you use Zoom Text. I'm only a > Jaws user and never have problems with crashing. My laptop is good, > but it's also pretty standard, with no extra cash or anything. I have > 16 gigs of ram. But again, I wonder if this is different if you use > enlargement software. > > Julie > > > On 1/11/24, Capelle, Michael C. via BlindLaw wrote: >> I am running a 16 GB system with a core I 5/12 General processor, 512 GB of >> hard drive, with no issues whatsoever. My laptop is running four gigs of >> ram, a core three, and a 256 GB hard drive, with no issues at all. >> Sent with Mike’s iPhone 14 promax. >> >>> On Jan 11, 2024, at 12:39 PM, Teresita Rios via BlindLaw >>> wrote: >>> >>> Dear all, >>> >>> I called Freedom Scientific for suggestions of what computers would not >>> constantly crash with their software. and they gave me a list of speks >>> like 32 GB of ram and large Cache video memory. I asked what is a good >>> number and what Cache is. But they were not helpfull stating “large vvideo >>> rendering memory is all you need” and that they could not give me more >>> specifics. >>> So if I am overwhelmed by the number of Windows computers out there, I >>> humbly request aid by providing a starting point. I have several >>> questions. >>> Do you use Zoomtex, JAWS or Fusion? >>> if yes, >>> How often does your computer crash? >>> if not very often >>> What Windows computer are you using? what are the specs? RAM and SSD and >>> other memory internal things. >>> >>> Does anyone know what is a good amount of cache or how to check for that >>> on a computer? >>> >>> Thank you all! >>> Teresita >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/capellemc%40fastmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com >> > From BrianUnitt at holsteinlaw.com Fri Jan 12 00:03:32 2024 From: BrianUnitt at holsteinlaw.com (Brian Unitt) Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2024 00:03:32 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] Windows computer Suggestions In-Reply-To: References: <40E27467-3075-4D62-932D-280EF4FE85BE@gmail.com> <7467E898-0612-4A02-AF65-0B8C11375118@fastmail.com> Message-ID: Definitely agree about the keyboard. It's great. I'm getting 8 to 10 hours of battery life. Brian Brian C. Unitt Certified Specialist in Appellate Law By the State Bar of California Law Office of Brian C. Unitt 6185 Magnolia Ave, PMB 40 Riverside, CA 92506 P: 951-682-7030 E: brianunitt at holsteinlaw.com Visit my Website NOTICE:  This communication is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain attorney/client information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law.  If the reader of this communication is not the intended recipient or the employee or agent responsible for delivering this communication to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited.  If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply email or by telephone and immediately delete this communication and all its attachments. Confidentiality Disclaimer This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual(s) to whom it is addressed. The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If you are not the author's intended recipient, be advised that you have received this email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please delete all copies, both electronic and printed, and contact the author immediately. -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Graham Hardy via BlindLaw Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2024 3:45 PM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: Graham Hardy Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Windows computer Suggestions I've been very satisfied with a Lenovo ThinkPad X1. I used to have a Dell XPS and, in addition to some of the audio issues that have already been mentioned, there were a couple embarrassing experiences in court where it didn't disable the speaker when I connected headphones. The ThinkPad has been much more stable. It also has a much better keyboard. I didn't realise how much I'd appreciate this but it also has a cover built in to the front-facing camera whose position can be felt. I'd say the screen reader, at least JAWS, is much less prone to crashing than it did formerly. Mostly it's other pieces of software that are unstable. Nowadays, with Windows 11 making Narrator so easily available, I'd say you should be able to get back up and running most of the time without much of any loss of productivity if JAWS actually crashes. You could always do a search for laptop reviews, and I'd add the year to the search to yield current results. Personally, I find computers last a lot longer if you get more RAM and processor than you think you need now. Also, don't forget about wireless networking, which has come a long way in the past few years and needs modern hardware to take advantage of modern speed and stability. And don't forget about battery life! On 2024-01-11 11:06 AM, Julie A. Orozco via BlindLaw wrote: > I wonder if it makes a difference if you use Zoom Text. I'm only a > Jaws user and never have problems with crashing. My laptop is good, > but it's also pretty standard, with no extra cash or anything. I have > 16 gigs of ram. But again, I wonder if this is different if you use > enlargement software. > > Julie > > > On 1/11/24, Capelle, Michael C. via BlindLaw wrote: >> I am running a 16 GB system with a core I 5/12 General processor, 512 >> GB of hard drive, with no issues whatsoever. My laptop is running >> four gigs of ram, a core three, and a 256 GB hard drive, with no issues at all. >> Sent with Mike’s iPhone 14 promax. >> >>> On Jan 11, 2024, at 12:39 PM, Teresita Rios via BlindLaw >>> wrote: >>> >>> Dear all, >>> >>> I called Freedom Scientific for suggestions of what computers would >>> not constantly crash with their software. and they gave me a list of >>> speks like 32 GB of ram and large Cache video memory. I asked what >>> is a good number and what Cache is. But they were not helpfull >>> stating “large vvideo rendering memory is all you need” and that >>> they could not give me more specifics. >>> So if I am overwhelmed by the number of Windows computers out there, >>> I humbly request aid by providing a starting point. I have several >>> questions. >>> Do you use Zoomtex, JAWS or Fusion? >>> if yes, >>> How often does your computer crash? >>> if not very often >>> What Windows computer are you using? what are the specs? RAM and >>> SSD and other memory internal things. >>> >>> Does anyone know what is a good amount of cache or how to check for >>> that on a computer? >>> >>> Thank you all! >>> Teresita >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/capellemc%40fa >>> stmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gma >> il.com >> > _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/brianunitt%40holsteinlaw.com From sanho817 at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 00:12:55 2024 From: sanho817 at gmail.com (Sanho Steele-Louchart) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 19:12:55 -0500 Subject: [blindLaw] Windows computer Suggestions In-Reply-To: References: <40E27467-3075-4D62-932D-280EF4FE85BE@gmail.com> <7467E898-0612-4A02-AF65-0B8C11375118@fastmail.com> Message-ID: Echoing Graham's praises of the Thinkpad. My personal machine specs are below. I'm using NVDA on Windows 11. Model: Lenovo ThinkPad E16 Gen 1 AMD (16”) Processor AMD Ryzen 5 7530U with Radeon Graphics 2.00 GHz Installed RAM 16.0 GB System type 64-bit operating system, x64-based processor Pen and touch No pen or touch input is available for this display Sanho On 1/11/24, Graham Hardy via BlindLaw wrote: > I've been very satisfied with a Lenovo ThinkPad X1. I used to have a > Dell XPS and, in addition to some of the audio issues that have already > been mentioned, there were a couple embarrassing experiences in court > where it didn't disable the speaker when I connected headphones. The > ThinkPad has been much more stable. It also has a much better keyboard. > I didn't realise how much I'd appreciate this but it also has a cover > built in to the front-facing camera whose position can be felt. > > > I'd say the screen reader, at least JAWS, is much less prone to crashing > than it did formerly. Mostly it's other pieces of software that are > unstable. Nowadays, with Windows 11 making Narrator so easily available, > I'd say you should be able to get back up and running most of the time > without much of any loss of productivity if JAWS actually crashes. > > > You could always do a search for laptop reviews, and I'd add the year to > the search to yield current results. Personally, I find computers last a > lot longer if you get more RAM and processor than you think you need > now. Also, don't forget about wireless networking, which has come a long > way in the past few years and needs modern hardware to take advantage of > modern speed and stability. And don't forget about battery life! > > > On 2024-01-11 11:06 AM, Julie A. Orozco via BlindLaw wrote: >> I wonder if it makes a difference if you use Zoom Text. I'm only a >> Jaws user and never have problems with crashing. My laptop is good, >> but it's also pretty standard, with no extra cash or anything. I have >> 16 gigs of ram. But again, I wonder if this is different if you use >> enlargement software. >> >> Julie >> >> >> On 1/11/24, Capelle, Michael C. via BlindLaw wrote: >>> I am running a 16 GB system with a core I 5/12 General processor, 512 GB >>> of >>> hard drive, with no issues whatsoever. My laptop is running four gigs of >>> ram, a core three, and a 256 GB hard drive, with no issues at all. >>> Sent with Mike’s iPhone 14 promax. >>> >>>> On Jan 11, 2024, at 12:39 PM, Teresita Rios via BlindLaw >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear all, >>>> >>>> I called Freedom Scientific for suggestions of what computers would not >>>> constantly crash with their software. and they gave me a list of speks >>>> like 32 GB of ram and large Cache video memory. I asked what is a good >>>> number and what Cache is. But they were not helpfull stating “large >>>> vvideo >>>> rendering memory is all you need” and that they could not give me more >>>> specifics. >>>> So if I am overwhelmed by the number of Windows computers out there, I >>>> humbly request aid by providing a starting point. I have several >>>> questions. >>>> Do you use Zoomtex, JAWS or Fusion? >>>> if yes, >>>> How often does your computer crash? >>>> if not very often >>>> What Windows computer are you using? what are the specs? RAM and SSD >>>> and >>>> other memory internal things. >>>> >>>> Does anyone know what is a good amount of cache or how to check for that >>>> on a computer? >>>> >>>> Thank you all! >>>> Teresita >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> BlindLaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/capellemc%40fastmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sanho817%40gmail.com > -- He/Him From agtolentino at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 00:31:25 2024 From: agtolentino at gmail.com (Aser Tolentino) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 16:31:25 -0800 Subject: [blindLaw] Windows computer Suggestions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1B94B4C1-6436-4038-8B82-BA1965DA666A@gmail.com> When it came time to request a computer from my office, I thought, “Why not?” and asked for a Thinkpad X1 Nano. To my surprise, they went along with it. Lenovo’s reputation for excellent keyboards is well-deserved. That said, my personal machine is a Samsung GalaxyBook Pro which is delightfully lightweight for a 16-inch notebook with a numeric keypad. > On Jan 11, 2024, at 4:14 PM, Sanho Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw wrote: > > Echoing Graham's praises of the Thinkpad. My personal machine specs > are below. I'm using NVDA on Windows 11. > > Model: Lenovo ThinkPad E16 Gen 1 AMD (16”) > Processor AMD Ryzen 5 7530U with Radeon Graphics 2.00 GHz > Installed RAM 16.0 GB > System type 64-bit operating system, x64-based processor > Pen and touch No pen or touch input is available for this display > > Sanho > >> On 1/11/24, Graham Hardy via BlindLaw wrote: >> I've been very satisfied with a Lenovo ThinkPad X1. I used to have a >> Dell XPS and, in addition to some of the audio issues that have already >> been mentioned, there were a couple embarrassing experiences in court >> where it didn't disable the speaker when I connected headphones. The >> ThinkPad has been much more stable. It also has a much better keyboard. >> I didn't realise how much I'd appreciate this but it also has a cover >> built in to the front-facing camera whose position can be felt. >> >> >> I'd say the screen reader, at least JAWS, is much less prone to crashing >> than it did formerly. Mostly it's other pieces of software that are >> unstable. Nowadays, with Windows 11 making Narrator so easily available, >> I'd say you should be able to get back up and running most of the time >> without much of any loss of productivity if JAWS actually crashes. >> >> >> You could always do a search for laptop reviews, and I'd add the year to >> the search to yield current results. Personally, I find computers last a >> lot longer if you get more RAM and processor than you think you need >> now. Also, don't forget about wireless networking, which has come a long >> way in the past few years and needs modern hardware to take advantage of >> modern speed and stability. And don't forget about battery life! >> >> >>> On 2024-01-11 11:06 AM, Julie A. Orozco via BlindLaw wrote: >>> I wonder if it makes a difference if you use Zoom Text. I'm only a >>> Jaws user and never have problems with crashing. My laptop is good, >>> but it's also pretty standard, with no extra cash or anything. I have >>> 16 gigs of ram. But again, I wonder if this is different if you use >>> enlargement software. >>> >>> Julie >>> >>> >>> On 1/11/24, Capelle, Michael C. via BlindLaw wrote: >>>> I am running a 16 GB system with a core I 5/12 General processor, 512 GB >>>> of >>>> hard drive, with no issues whatsoever. My laptop is running four gigs of >>>> ram, a core three, and a 256 GB hard drive, with no issues at all. >>>> Sent with Mike’s iPhone 14 promax. >>>> >>>>> On Jan 11, 2024, at 12:39 PM, Teresita Rios via BlindLaw >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Dear all, >>>>> >>>>> I called Freedom Scientific for suggestions of what computers would not >>>>> constantly crash with their software. and they gave me a list of speks >>>>> like 32 GB of ram and large Cache video memory. I asked what is a good >>>>> number and what Cache is. But they were not helpfull stating “large >>>>> vvideo >>>>> rendering memory is all you need” and that they could not give me more >>>>> specifics. >>>>> So if I am overwhelmed by the number of Windows computers out there, I >>>>> humbly request aid by providing a starting point. I have several >>>>> questions. >>>>> Do you use Zoomtex, JAWS or Fusion? >>>>> if yes, >>>>> How often does your computer crash? >>>>> if not very often >>>>> What Windows computer are you using? what are the specs? RAM and SSD >>>>> and >>>>> other memory internal things. >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone know what is a good amount of cache or how to check for that >>>>> on a computer? >>>>> >>>>> Thank you all! >>>>> Teresita >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> BlindLaw: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/capellemc%40fastmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> BlindLaw mailing list >>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> BlindLaw: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sanho817%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > He/Him > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/agtolentino%40gmail.com From sanho817 at gmail.com Fri Jan 12 00:38:59 2024 From: sanho817 at gmail.com (Sanho Steele-Louchart) Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 19:38:59 -0500 Subject: [blindLaw] Practicing Attorneys' Quarterly Connection Message-ID: All: Deepa and I are putting together the quarterly connections for NABL's practicing attorneys. If there's anything in particular you'd like to see between now and March, please let us know. We'll finalize the agenda and send out an invitation ASAP. Warmth, Sanho -- He/Him From nikki.singh at aya.yale.edu Sun Jan 14 15:48:26 2024 From: nikki.singh at aya.yale.edu (Nikki Singh) Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2024 10:48:26 -0500 Subject: [blindLaw] Windows computer Suggestions In-Reply-To: References: <0156F74B-F1C0-436E-A962-E7F8F274D00B@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi All, I have been following this discussion on laptops. To answer Teresita's question, I have a Dell at work. I believe it has 32 of ram and a fair amount of solid state memory whose amount I am forgeting. I am running JAWS 2024. Crashes are minimal. I know the model--again, forgetting the specifics--is newer, so maybe that helps all things considered. As a quick side note, I have to contend with random loss of JAWS authorization. This is done periodically over WIFI, and I suspect my agency's layer cake of security software sometimes interferes with the authorization process--an issue that should not be a problem for most folks. Generally, firm and government agency security software make JAWS performance variable. It is important to get the greatest amount of ram and SSD as you can. You neat a robust unit if it is going to run that much software and also to counteract JAWS' massive use of memory. More below. For Dells in particular, avoid if you can for now. You otherwise have to do a lot of fine-tuning to correct the audio driver issue and to obtain a sound at the start-up screen. As a further tip, use a USB- or USBC-connector pair of headphones if you ever want to do field work using headphones. The audio switch from computer speakers to headphones is easier when you have a USB connection for reasons that extend past my technical expertise. Dell laptops have lost their luster of late. It is a shame because all my laptops till the end of law school were all Dells! I will say that Dell still makes solid peripherals. I have been reading about a memory leak involving Dells. I am not sure I am aware of a solution. I will also note that JAWS is a big memory hog. Any computer running it should have at least 32 of ram. I have insisted at every job I have had that IT add more ram to get to 32 if the laptop did not arive with that specification already in place. I used to have a Think Pad when I was at a firm. I know there has been a lot of love for this brand. I, however, was not a fan. It constantly crashed, performed sluggishly, and with the model I had, came equipped with a terrible keyboard so I always had to use an external one to get a reasonable arrangement for control-windows key-FN lock-alt in the bottom right corner and the inclusion of a number pad. Personally, I use HP. I think Probook (spelling?) and Spectre lines make solid business laptops, though you can and should look at gaming units. The gaming computers often have extra memory and better speakers. In many places, you should also be able to customize the internals in case you find a device with a good layout and visual presentation but not so great internals. Sincerely, Nikki On 1/11/24, Brian Unitt via BlindLaw wrote: > I've been using Lenovos since 2015 and think they are great. As an appellate > specialist, my laptop is my most important tool, so on my X1 Carbon 11th > gen, I have the top end processor, 32 MB RAM and a 500GB SSD. Besides the > normal word processing (still on WordPerfect) e-mail, and Westlaw research, > I spend a lot of time on Zoom and do a lot of OCR, so I don't think 32 MB is > overkill these days. My IT contractor is partial to Lenovo, and strongly > recommends against Dell. > Best, > Brian > Brian C. 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If you have > received this email in error please delete all copies, both electronic and > printed, and contact the author immediately. > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Syed Rizvi via > BlindLaw > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2024 11:33 AM > To: Blind Law Mailing List > Cc: Syed Rizvi > Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Windows computer Suggestions > > I used a Lenovo X1 Carbon in a pre law summer internship at a firm before > law school. It worked so well that I bought one for law school and it’s been > a beast. At the firm where I am currently headed to, they use Dells, and > they are absolutely terrible. Dells have this notorious spatial audio issue > and it’s just horrible. I only use JAWS. There’s something about firm > laptops though that just makes them glitch out. I think it probably has > something to do with all of their extra software applications running on > them for security and stuff. I’d suggest avoiding a Dell and if they’re > paying for it, maxing out the capabilities can only help with handling the > load of terribly designed assistive programs. > > On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 2:24 PM Sanho Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw < > blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: > >> For those of you using screen-readers on Windows machines who are >> experiencing frequent crashes, do you happen to have a Dell? Certain >> Dell machines are infamous for a memory leak that causes constant >> sound to crash the operating system after some time. The screen-reader >> works fine, then crackles, lags, and eventually gives you the modern >> equivalent of the blue screen of death. >> >> Sanho >> >> > On Jan 11, 2024, at 2:17 PM, Teresita Rios via BlindLaw < >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: >> > >> > Hi Page, >> > I use a Mac but a new firm prefers Windows. I told them my bad >> experiance with Windoes and ZoomTex and Fusion and they still ask for >> a Windows alternative. So here I am trying to figure out the windows >> world. >> > >> > My Mac has only glitched like twice in the three years I had it. >> > I use Zoom with Spoken Content at the same time. This combination is >> pretty much ZoomText. It reads what is underneath the cursor and what >> you type. >> > However, sometimes for some reason a webpage or PDF is not being >> > read by >> Spoken Content. But in such a case I just turn on VoiceOver. >> VoiceOver, is controlled by the keyboard (not the cursor) can also be >> used with zoom on a Mac. and you have essentially Fusion. >> > >> > Warmly, >> > Teresita >> > >> > >> >> On Jan 11, 2024, at 2:02 PM, Paige via BlindLaw >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi! >> >> >> >> I’m using a 32GB ram, i7 processor, and not sure what type of video >> memory. >> >> >> >> My system is constantly crashing, but I use Fusion. I got the same >> response from Freedom Scientific. >> >> >> >> Does anyone who uses Apple/Voiceover have these issues? >> >> >> >> Thank you, >> >> Paige >> >> >> >>>> On Jan 11, 2024, at 11:56 AM, Capelle, Michael C. via BlindLaw < >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> I am running a 16 GB system with a core I 5/12 General processor, >> >>> 512 >> GB of hard drive, with no issues whatsoever. My laptop is running four >> gigs of ram, a core three, and a 256 GB hard drive, with no issues at >> all. >> >>> Sent with Mike’s iPhone 14 promax. >> >>> >> >>>> On Jan 11, 2024, at 12:39 PM, Teresita Rios via BlindLaw < >> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Dear all, >> >>>> >> >>>> I called Freedom Scientific for suggestions of what computers >> >>>> would >> not constantly crash with their software. and they gave me a list of >> speks like 32 GB of ram and large Cache video memory. I asked what is >> a good number and what Cache is. But they were not helpfull stating >> “large vvideo rendering memory is all you need” and that they could >> not give me more specifics. >> >>>> So if I am overwhelmed by the number of Windows computers out >> >>>> there, >> I humbly request aid by providing a starting point. I have several >> questions. >> >>>> Do you use Zoomtex, JAWS or Fusion? >> >>>> if yes, >> >>>> How often does your computer crash? >> >>>> if not very often >> >>>> What Windows computer are you using? what are the specs? RAM and >> >>>> SSD >> and other memory internal things. >> >>>> >> >>>> Does anyone know what is a good amount of cache or how to check >> >>>> for >> that on a computer? >> >>>> >> >>>> Thank you all! >> >>>> Teresita >> >>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> BlindLaw mailing list >> >>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> >>>> for >> BlindLaw: >> >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/capellemc%40fast >> mail.com >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> BlindLaw mailing list >> >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> >>> for >> BlindLaw: >> >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/paigecmiller6%40 >> gmail.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> BlindLaw mailing list >> >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> >> for >> BlindLaw: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/teresitarios22%4 >> 0gmail.com >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > BlindLaw mailing list >> > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> > for >> BlindLaw: >> > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sanho817%40gmail >> .com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/syedrizvinfb%40g >> mail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/brianunitt%40holsteinlaw.com > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/nikki.singh%40aya.yale.edu > From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com Mon Jan 15 09:50:59 2024 From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj) Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2024 15:20:59 +0530 Subject: [blindLaw] ascertaining fraudulent documents Message-ID: Hi All, I am currently attending an appeal in the Delhi High Court that my firm is involved in. While I am not staffed in this matter, while listening to the appeal, my mind has travelled in the following direction. How can a blind lawyer ascertain if some documents that the other side is relying on are fraudulent. This is a trademark infringement and passing off case. Our argument is that the documents that the other side has cited to state that they are prior user of the mark. We argue that those documents are forged and that the court below erred in relying on them. How would a blind lawyer be able to conduct such a fact-finding exercise, as part of the discovery process? Look forward to your inputs. Warmly, Rahul -- -- Rahul Bajaj Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018), University of Oxford Co-Founder, Mission Accessibility From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Wed Jan 17 18:16:43 2024 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2024 18:16:43 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] THIS IS NOT A VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT_U.S. Department of Education's Office for Civil Rights Program Legal Group Supervisory Attorney Title IX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: (THIS IS NOT A VACANCY ANNOUNCEMENT) The U.S. Department of Education's Office for Civil Rights (OCR) solicits resumes to fill a Supervisory General Attorney vacancy on an open and continuous basis. OCR accepts resumes from eligible individuals who may be considered for a noncompetitive appointment to an Attorney position via the following excepted hiring authorities: 1) Schedule A Persons with Disabilities appointments (5 C.F.R. § 213.3102(u)); 2) Veterans' Recruitment Appointments; 3) Excepted Hiring Authority for Attorneys (5 C.F.R. § 213.3102(d)); and 4) Former Peace Corps and AmeriCorps Appointees (22 U.S.C. § 2506), respectively. Accordingly, OCR is currently soliciting resumes for a Title IX Supervisory General Attorney (GS-0905-15) for the Program Legal Group located in the Washington, DC Headquarters Office (400 Maryland Avenue, SW, 20202, "LBJ Building.") 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I would like to know how blind attorneys and judges are best able to overcome this kind of accessibility barrier and still maintain independence in their line of work? Second, what is the best software application that can be used to review annd navigate through electronic documents that are hundreds of pages long? Finally, what is the best approach to take when given inaccessible documents, such as inaccessible scanned PDFs or handwritten files? My goal is to have the solutions for the above barriers planned out prior to starting law school so that i can better focus on coursework, clinics and professional training without having to feel “stuck” because of inaccessibility. Essentially, I want to have a plan I can immediately follow to prevent these problems from arising in the first place. I am grateful for any and all insight and help. Thank you all so much. Warm Regards, Natasha From syedrizvinfb at gmail.com Fri Jan 19 19:38:36 2024 From: syedrizvinfb at gmail.com (Syed Rizvi) Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2024 14:38:36 -0500 Subject: [blindLaw] Questions Regarding Blindness and Accessibility in Law School & the Legal Profession In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Natasha, Congrats on beginning your legal journey! I am a blind law school student and will try my best to answer your questions. Regarding your second question, how do you currently do the bulk of your reading? Many blind lawyers employ the use of a screen reading software, such as Job Access With Speech, to quickly and accurately read through large amounts of text. I think acquiring this skill would also be helpful for law school and not only for work. You can potentially receive training in how to use such software from your state’s vocational rehabilitation agency. I’m happy to jump on a call to show you how I use this tool. Regarding your first and last questions, I wondered about the same potential barriers in my own career. While there are ever growing technological solutions to such visual barriers, sometimes the easiest path is the low tech one. It is common for sighted attorneys to employ the services of paralegals and professional assistants. Blind attorneys, like their sighted counterparts, also receive assistance in their work from such support staff. However, the type of assistance they may receive from their support staff for particular tasks may differ. It is most important for you to do your job efficiently. If that entails asking your support staff to provide you with a description of an image or check for a signature on a printed page, then that is a perfectly acceptable solution that does not hinder your own independence. I am happy to connect and discuss further if you would like. Best of luck! -Syed On Thu, Jan 18, 2024 at 10:46 AM Natasha Ishaq via BlindLaw < blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: > Hello All, > > I will be starting law school in the fall and have a few specific questions > regarding blindness and accessibility in law school and the legal > profession as a whole. > > First, I was wondering whether anyone on this mailing list who is a > prosecutor, defense attorney or judge would be willing to speak with me > about navigating accessibility within their work. As someone interested in > pursuing criminal law, I understand that viewing photographic images and > videos are often part of the job when it comes to reviewing evidence. I > would like to know how blind attorneys and judges are best able to overcome > this kind of accessibility barrier and still maintain independence in their > line of work? > > Second, what is the best software application that can be used to review > annd navigate through electronic documents that are hundreds of pages long? > > Finally, what is the best approach to take when given inaccessible > documents, such as inaccessible scanned PDFs or handwritten files? > > My goal is to have the solutions for the above barriers planned out prior > to starting law school so that i can better focus on coursework, clinics > and professional training without having to feel “stuck” because of > inaccessibility. Essentially, I want to have a plan I can immediately > follow to prevent these problems from arising in the first place. > > I am grateful for any and all insight and help. Thank you all so much. > > Warm Regards, > Natasha > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/syedrizvinfb%40gmail.com > From nikki.singh at aya.yale.edu Sun Jan 21 00:46:23 2024 From: nikki.singh at aya.yale.edu (Nikki Singh) Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2024 19:46:23 -0500 Subject: [blindLaw] ascertaining fraudulent documents In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Rahul, I am not an IP trial attorney, but at some point, I will be dealing with fraudulent documents in discovery. One important thing to keepin mind is that the documents are rarely going to plainly show that they are fraudulent on their face. Sure, you will focus on dates and signatures. However, you need to learn the story about the documents: who reviewed them? When? For what purpose? What did the reviewer or signer know about the documents? How did they get to his or her desk? Why? Who else saw them? What was going on in the professional or business context at the company where the review or signer was employed? You learn that story through a variety of discovery devices. In America (whose discovery process I know best), you will have other documents that you can compare to the ones you believe are forged. You may need a human reader to assist with this specific portion. You can depose a witness, the person who signed the documents in this case, and ask questions. You can clarify what you heard in the deposition with interrogatories, questions posed in written form. You can build a chronology of the key events and evaluate based on the evidence you gathered what fact is more likely than not. Discovery is a long and often indirect process. Things become clearer near the end once you have the universe of facts pinned down. The essential goal of learning the story--discovering what happened--is not dramatically impeded by blindness, though you may have to work around certain issues. Parties are not going to have accessible documents because they cannot know that they will be involved in a law suit in the future where one of the attorneys is blind. Hope this helps. Sincerely, Nikki On 1/15/24, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw wrote: > Hi All, > > I am currently attending an appeal in the Delhi High Court that my firm is > involved in. While I am not staffed in this matter, while listening to the > appeal, my mind has travelled in the following direction. How can a blind > lawyer ascertain if some documents that the other side is relying on are > fraudulent. This is a trademark infringement and passing off case. Our > argument is that the documents that the other side has cited to state that > they are prior user of the mark. We argue that those documents are forged > and that the court below erred in relying on them. How would a blind lawyer > be able to conduct such a fact-finding exercise, as part of the discovery > process? > > Look forward to your inputs. > > Warmly, > > Rahul > > -- > -- > Rahul Bajaj > Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018), University of Oxford > Co-Founder, Mission Accessibility > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/nikki.singh%40aya.yale.edu > From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com Sun Jan 21 16:24:39 2024 From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2024 16:24:39 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] ascertaining fraudulent documents In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Nikki That's a good and thoughtful answer. To add to it - think about where these documents would have been filed if genuine. Think what may be on relevant registers relating to the documents. You'd be surprised how often you will find relevant documents or information in documents in what we call the Companies Registration Office (it will have other names in different jurisdictions) in the Registry of deeds, in the Land Registry, or in accounts. While I completely agree with all Nikki has said, signatures and maps (if relevant) do need to be checked and you need to see them to check. Things like what colour ink the signature was made in can be relevant. (That will be rare but the one time it matters, it can be a slam dunk.) See if there has been previous litigation regarding the matter at issue. For example we recently had a case about a piece of property. There had been previous litigation in another Court, in which the other party had made claims which directly contradicted their case in our proceedings. We got the files relating to that litigation (unknown to the opposition) as we were perfectly entitled to do and were ready to cross-examine on that basis, though the case settled. Kind regards Ger On 1/21/24, Nikki Singh via BlindLaw wrote: > Hi Rahul, > > I am not an IP trial attorney, but at some point, I will be dealing > with fraudulent documents in discovery. One important thing to keepin > mind is that the documents are rarely going to plainly show that they > are fraudulent on their face. Sure, you will focus on dates and > signatures. However, you need to learn the story about the documents: > who reviewed them? When? For what purpose? What did the reviewer or > signer know about the documents? How did they get to his or her desk? > Why? Who else saw them? What was going on in the professional or > business context at the company where the review or signer was > employed? > > You learn that story through a variety of discovery devices. In > America (whose discovery process I know best), you will have other > documents that you can compare to the ones you believe are forged. You > may need a human reader to assist with this specific portion. You can > depose a witness, the person who signed the documents in this case, > and ask questions. You can clarify what you heard in the deposition > with interrogatories, questions posed in written form. You can build a > chronology of the key events and evaluate based on the evidence you > gathered what fact is more likely than not. Discovery is a long and > often indirect process. Things become clearer near the end once you > have the universe of facts pinned down. The essential goal of learning > the story--discovering what happened--is not dramatically impeded by > blindness, though you may have to work around certain issues. Parties > are not going to have accessible documents because they cannot know > that they will be involved in a law suit in the future where one of > the attorneys is blind. > > Hope this helps. > > Sincerely, > Nikki > > On 1/15/24, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> I am currently attending an appeal in the Delhi High Court that my firm >> is >> involved in. While I am not staffed in this matter, while listening to >> the >> appeal, my mind has travelled in the following direction. How can a blind >> lawyer ascertain if some documents that the other side is relying on are >> fraudulent. This is a trademark infringement and passing off case. Our >> argument is that the documents that the other side has cited to state >> that >> they are prior user of the mark. We argue that those documents are forged >> and that the court below erred in relying on them. How would a blind >> lawyer >> be able to conduct such a fact-finding exercise, as part of the discovery >> process? >> >> Look forward to your inputs. >> >> Warmly, >> >> Rahul >> >> -- >> -- >> Rahul Bajaj >> Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018), University of Oxford >> Co-Founder, Mission Accessibility >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/nikki.singh%40aya.yale.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com > From gerard.sadlier at gmail.com Sun Jan 21 16:28:45 2024 From: gerard.sadlier at gmail.com (Gerard Sadlier) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2024 16:28:45 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] ascertaining fraudulent documents In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm sure this will be obvious to colleagues but another thing I have always found helpful in a case is a really good detailed chronology. That isn't just for cases where there is an allegation of fraud but it will let you see clearly if something looks strange or as though it requires further enquiry. On 1/21/24, Gerard Sadlier wrote: > Hi Nikki > > That's a good and thoughtful answer. To add to it - think about where > these documents would have been filed if genuine. Think what may be on > relevant registers relating to the documents. You'd be surprised how > often you will find relevant documents or information in documents in > what we call the Companies Registration Office (it will have other > names in different jurisdictions) in the Registry of deeds, in the > Land Registry, or in accounts. > > While I completely agree with all Nikki has said, signatures and maps > (if relevant) do need to be checked and you need to see them to check. > Things like what colour ink the signature was made in can be relevant. > (That will be rare but the one time it matters, it can be a slam > dunk.) > > See if there has been previous litigation regarding the matter at > issue. For example we recently had a case about a piece of property. > There had been previous litigation in another Court, in which the > other party had made claims which directly contradicted their case in > our proceedings. We got the files relating to that litigation (unknown > to the opposition) as we were perfectly entitled to do and were ready > to cross-examine on that basis, though the case settled. > > Kind regards > > Ger > > On 1/21/24, Nikki Singh via BlindLaw wrote: >> Hi Rahul, >> >> I am not an IP trial attorney, but at some point, I will be dealing >> with fraudulent documents in discovery. One important thing to keepin >> mind is that the documents are rarely going to plainly show that they >> are fraudulent on their face. Sure, you will focus on dates and >> signatures. However, you need to learn the story about the documents: >> who reviewed them? When? For what purpose? What did the reviewer or >> signer know about the documents? How did they get to his or her desk? >> Why? Who else saw them? What was going on in the professional or >> business context at the company where the review or signer was >> employed? >> >> You learn that story through a variety of discovery devices. In >> America (whose discovery process I know best), you will have other >> documents that you can compare to the ones you believe are forged. You >> may need a human reader to assist with this specific portion. You can >> depose a witness, the person who signed the documents in this case, >> and ask questions. You can clarify what you heard in the deposition >> with interrogatories, questions posed in written form. You can build a >> chronology of the key events and evaluate based on the evidence you >> gathered what fact is more likely than not. Discovery is a long and >> often indirect process. Things become clearer near the end once you >> have the universe of facts pinned down. The essential goal of learning >> the story--discovering what happened--is not dramatically impeded by >> blindness, though you may have to work around certain issues. Parties >> are not going to have accessible documents because they cannot know >> that they will be involved in a law suit in the future where one of >> the attorneys is blind. >> >> Hope this helps. >> >> Sincerely, >> Nikki >> >> On 1/15/24, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw wrote: >>> Hi All, >>> >>> I am currently attending an appeal in the Delhi High Court that my firm >>> is >>> involved in. While I am not staffed in this matter, while listening to >>> the >>> appeal, my mind has travelled in the following direction. How can a >>> blind >>> lawyer ascertain if some documents that the other side is relying on are >>> fraudulent. This is a trademark infringement and passing off case. Our >>> argument is that the documents that the other side has cited to state >>> that >>> they are prior user of the mark. We argue that those documents are >>> forged >>> and that the court below erred in relying on them. How would a blind >>> lawyer >>> be able to conduct such a fact-finding exercise, as part of the >>> discovery >>> process? >>> >>> Look forward to your inputs. >>> >>> Warmly, >>> >>> Rahul >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> Rahul Bajaj >>> Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018), University of Oxford >>> Co-Founder, Mission Accessibility >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/nikki.singh%40aya.yale.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/gerard.sadlier%40gmail.com >> > From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Mon Jan 22 18:51:16 2024 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2024 18:51:16 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] =?windows-1252?q?VA=92s_compliance_with_accessibility?= =?windows-1252?q?_requirements_still_lacking=2C_watchdog_says_-_Governmen?= =?windows-1252?q?t_Executive_-_JANUARY_19=2C_2024?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: https://www.govexec.com/management/2024/01/vas-compliance-accessibility-requirements-still-lacking-watchdog-says/393476/?oref=govexec_today_nl&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=GovExec%20Today:%20January%2022%2C%202024&utm_term=newsletter_ge_today VA’s compliance with accessibility requirements still lacking, watchdog says By Edward Graham Government Executive JANUARY 19, 2024 The Veterans Affairs Department “did not effectively manage website accessibility to ensure Section 508 compliance,” according to an audit conducted by the department’s Office of Inspector General. The Veterans Affairs Department has made some progress in improving the accessibility of its websites and public-facing IT systems but still faces significant oversight concerns when it comes to ensuring that all of its services are available for disabled veterans, according to an audit released by the VA Office of Inspector General on Wednesday. OIG’s report was conducted following years of criticism from lawmakers and veteran service organizations about the department’s lack of compliance with Section 508 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973, which the watchdog noted “dictates that VA and other federal agencies develop, procure, maintain and use information and communications technology to ensure people with disabilities have access to all information and data comparable to that of individuals without disabilities.” A VA report presented to Congress in September 2021 found that approximately 9% of the department’s internet sites and 6% of its intranet sites were fully compliant with Section 508 requirements. A group of bipartisan lawmakers — led by Sen. Bob Casey, D-Pa., chair of the Senate Committee on Aging — subsequently sent a letter to VA Secretary Denis McDonough in June 2022 expressing concern that the report “omitted important details about the department’s plans to address these long-standing problems and, in multiple cases, did not include remediation plans for key organizations within VA.” OIG’s audit — conducted from October 2022 through September 2023 — noted that VA “is working toward addressing compliance concerns about accessibility of its information and communications technology by prioritizing websites that receive the most visits and planning to then address those with fewer views.” The watchdog found, however, that “VA did not effectively manage website accessibility to ensure Section 508 compliance, ensure all information technology systems met accessibility requirements or that accessibility designations in the systems inventory were accurate or update relevant directives that guide compliance.” VA’s web managers and information system owners “did not ensure compliance with Section 508 requirements,” according to the audit, and the department’s web communications offices “did not consistently enforce the requirement that web managers add and certify all internet and intranet sites in VA’s Web Registry.” “As a result, VA’s September 2021 report to Congress did not cover all VA public and internal websites as required, including over 218,000 sites on SharePoint Online, an application used to create internal intranet websites for personnel,” the report said. OIG also identified other VA IT systems that were not assessed for compliance with Section 508, or had been incorrectly designated when reviewed for compliance with the law. “The inaccurate Section 508 designations resulted from VA administrations and staff offices not ensuring inventory information was updated or validated,” the audit said, adding that “without accurate information, VA cannot adequately assess information technology system compliance with the law or achieve the stated objective of the VA policy.” Three of VA’s directives related to “accessibility, systems management and web-based collaboration technologies” were also outdated, according to the report, and had not been updated in compliance with the department’s procedures requiring “all permanent directives and handbooks be recertified within five years of issuance.” “Until VA addresses all compliance issues, the information access provided to individuals with disabilities may not be comparable to the access provided to those without disabilities,” the OIG said. The watchdog made six recommendations to VA, including calling for system owners within the department to be educated on Section 508 policy requirements, for VA officials to update and republish outdated directives, and for the department’s assistant secretary for information and technology and chief information officer to “develop and implement a strategy with milestones for identifying all VA websites” and “establish a mechanism for web communication offices across VA to enforce web policy.” OIG said VA concurred with all of its recommendations “and provided acceptable corrective action plans.” From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Tue Jan 23 19:50:43 2024 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2024 19:50:43 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] Justice Department Secures Agreement with Oklahoma State Agency to Ensure Oklahoma Mobile Apps Are Accessible to People with Disabilities - DOJ - January 22, 2024 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-secures-agreement-oklahoma-state-agency-ensure-oklahoma-mobile-apps-are Justice Department Secures Agreement with Oklahoma State Agency to Ensure Oklahoma Mobile Apps Are Accessible to People with Disabilities Office of Public Affairs U.S. Department of Justice January 22, 2024 The Justice Department announced today that it secured a settlement agreement with Service Oklahoma, a state agency, to resolve its findings that the agency violated Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) by maintaining a mobile application that is inaccessible to individuals with disabilities. "When public entities make services available through mobile apps, they may not exclude people with disabilities by failing to make their technology accessible," said Assistant Attorney General Kristen Clarke of the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division. "Through this agreement, Service Oklahoma will ensure their mobile apps comply with the ADA by removing barriers that prevent Oklahomans with disabilities from accessing public services. As more state and local governments turn to mobile apps for critical public services, the Justice Department will work to ensure that people with disabilities are guaranteed the ADA's promise of equal access." The department investigated Service Oklahoma's predecessor entity based on a complaint from a blind Oklahoma resident alleging that the Oklahoma Mobile ID Application is inaccessible to individuals with vision disabilities. In November 2023, the department issued a letter of findings concluding that the mobile app imposes critical accessibility barriers for people with vision disabilities. The department found that Service Oklahoma violates the ADA by denying people with disabilities equal access to the mobile app and by failing to ensure that communications with them are as effective as communications with others. Under the agreement, Service Oklahoma will ensure that any mobile app that it creates, administers or maintains is accessible to individuals with disabilities and conforms to Web Content Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG), Version 2.1, Level AA, which are industry guidelines for making web content accessible. Service Oklahoma will take other corrective actions, including soliciting accessibility feedback and requests from the public, retaining an ADA coordinator, providing ADA training to employees and reporting to the department. This settlement agreement is part of the Civil Rights Division's Tech Equity Initiative to combat disability discrimination that occurs through technology such as websites and mobile apps. For more information on the ADA, please call the department's toll-free ADA information line at 800-514-0301 (TTY 833-610-1264) or visit www.ada.gov. For more information on the Civil Rights Division, please visit www.justice.gov/crt. If you believe you've been discriminated against, you may file a complaint online at www.civilrights.justice.gov/. From deepa.goraya at gmail.com Fri Jan 26 14:54:28 2024 From: deepa.goraya at gmail.com (Deepa Goraya) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2024 09:54:28 -0500 Subject: [blindLaw] networking dinner in DC Jan 30 In-Reply-To: <00fd01da39af$0d67afd0$28370f70$@gmail.com> References: <00fd01da39af$0d67afd0$28370f70$@gmail.com> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Fri Jan 26 18:20:48 2024 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2024 18:20:48 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] Ed Department Warns Schools Not To Overlook Assistive Technology In IEPs - Disability Scoop - January 25, 2024 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: https://www.disabilityscoop.com/2024/01/25/ed-department-warns-schools-not-to-overlook-assistive-technology-in-ieps/30714/ Ed Department Warns Schools Not To Overlook Assistive Technology In IEPs By Michelle Diament Disability Scoop January 25, 2024 With new guidance, the U.S. Department of Education is pushing schools to ensure that all students with disabilities have the assistive technology they need and the supports to use it effectively. The agency issued a "Dear Colleague" letter and a 24-page "myths and facts" document this week aimed at clarifying schools' responsibilities to provide various aids. Under the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act, the agency said that every time an individualized education program team meets to develop, review or revise a student's IEP, they are required to factor whether the child needs assistive technology devices and services. This can include electronic options like text-to-speech software, word prediction devices and augmentative and alternative communication devices as well as more basic tools including visual schedules and timers, pencil grips, binder clips, squishy balls and stickers. "(Assistive technology) devices and services can help improve outcomes for children, develop important skills and abilities, and prepare them for the workforce and life after high school," reads the letter from Glenna Wright-Gallo, assistant secretary of special education and rehabilitative services, and Roberto J. Rodríguez, assistant secretary for planning, evaluation and policy development at the Education Department. "By providing children with disabilities with the tools they need to succeed, we can help break down barriers and create a more inclusive and equitable educational system for all." Assistive technology can be used for infants and toddlers served under IDEA Part C as well as school-age kids served under Part B with all types of disabilities, the letter indicates. It should also be factored when children move from early intervention to school and again when they transition to postsecondary life. Not only must schools provide and fully fund any assistive technology necessary for a child to receive a free appropriate public education, but they are also obligated under the law to ensure that children, families, teachers and related services providers are trained to use the devices so that they can be implemented correctly at home and at school, according to the guidance. Denise Marshall, CEO of the Council of Parent Attorneys and Advocates, or COPAA, a nonprofit that advocates for the rights of students with disabilities and their families, said it's important to see the Education Department clarifying that IDEA requires assistive technology devices and services to be considered regardless of a child's age or disability. "We know that too often, the (assistive technology) consideration is either skimmed over or skipped entirely due to biases, assumptions or lack of knowledge about various (assistive technology) devices and services that support and increase a child's access to the general curriculum in their classroom," she said. "We will encourage our members to use the guidance as a tool in the IEP process so that every child can have the resources they need to thrive in school." From abhishekdhol at gmail.com Sun Jan 28 00:09:15 2024 From: abhishekdhol at gmail.com (Abhishek Dhol) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2024 00:09:15 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] Request for advice/help with PDF documents Message-ID: Hello everyone, My name is Abhishek Dhol. I am a final year law student in the United Kingdom, at Queen Mary University of London. I am a user of the NVDA screen reader. In recent days, I have encountered numerous problems with PDF documents (law school readings), many of which I haven't encountered before, and only one of which I have dealt with in the past, but the solution I used then isn't applicable now. Admittedly, this sounds maddeningly vague, but this would really be a very long email indeed if I tried explaining all my difficulties in writing, and I know this is rather an unconventional request, but would anybody be willing/able to take out some time and get on a Zoom/WhatsApp call with me to discuss my difficulties? I should mention that I have tried restarting my laptop and uninstalling and reinstalling Adobe Acrobat Reader, but this hasn't helped to resolve the problems. I have also tried opening the documents in different formats, but this has brought up other problems. My phone (and WhatsApp) number is: +44 (0) 7933 242 528 Regards, Abhishek Dhol From natel.appledorn at gmail.com Sun Jan 28 20:28:11 2024 From: natel.appledorn at gmail.com (Nate Appledorn) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2024 13:28:11 -0700 Subject: [blindLaw] Ways to address mailings Message-ID: Greetings All: I am reaching out today in the hopes of finding a possible solution to enable me to address mailings as a blind legal professional. Where I work even the attorneys are required to independently address and mail their own documents. I am currently unable to print addresses onto envelopes due to inaccessible label template software. I have explored using Avery label templates in Word with both JAWS and NVDA, but have found it impossible to discern where one label ends and the next begins. This makes it impossible for me to create printed addresses with the templates. I am looking for suggestions from other blind professionals on potential workarounds. A printer that prints one label at a time with accessible software could be an option, but I have not been able to find one so far. If anyone has found a good solution to this problem , I would greatly appreciate your assistance. Best wishes, Nate From laurenbishop96 at icloud.com Mon Jan 29 00:45:11 2024 From: laurenbishop96 at icloud.com (Lauren Bishop) Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2024 19:45:11 -0500 Subject: [blindLaw] Ways to address mailings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <626E1689-F6D2-4599-920D-65D6C953503B@icloud.com> Hello, My best advice to you would use the mailing function in Word to create an address label and print it directly on the envelope. This function is accessible, and this is how I mail any letters that I need to send out. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 28, 2024, at 3:29 PM, Nate Appledorn via BlindLaw wrote: > > Greetings All: > > > > I am reaching out today in the hopes of finding a possible solution to > enable me to address mailings as a blind legal professional. Where I work > even the attorneys are required to independently address and mail their own > documents. > > > > I am currently unable to print addresses onto envelopes due to inaccessible > label template software. I have explored using Avery label templates in > Word with both JAWS and NVDA, but have found it impossible to discern where > one label ends and the next begins. This makes it impossible for me to > create printed addresses with the templates. > > > > I am looking for suggestions from other blind professionals on potential > workarounds. A printer that prints one label at a time with accessible > software could be an option, but I have not been able to find one so far. > > > > If anyone has found a good solution to this problem , I would greatly > appreciate your assistance. > > > > Best wishes, > > Nate > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/laurenbishop96%40icloud.com From deepa.goraya at gmail.com Mon Jan 29 15:26:23 2024 From: deepa.goraya at gmail.com (Deepa Goraya) Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2024 10:26:23 -0500 Subject: [blindLaw] reminder about blind lawyers networking dinner tomorrow Message-ID: <01a201da52c7$845f7970$8d1e6c50$@gmail.com> Hello everyone. Just a reminder for those who have told me they are interested, we are having a blind lawyers networking dinner tomorrow, Tuesday, January 30 at 7 PM at Mi Vida. The address is 98 District Square SW. If you have any questions, please email me at deepa.goraya at gmail.com . Looking forward to seeing everyone then. Deepa Deepinder K. Goraya, Esq. From deepa.goraya at gmail.com Wed Jan 31 00:30:18 2024 From: deepa.goraya at gmail.com (Deepa Goraya) Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2024 19:30:18 -0500 Subject: [blindLaw] reminder about blind lawyers networking dinner tomorrow In-Reply-To: <01a201da52c7$845f7970$8d1e6c50$@gmail.com> References: <01a201da52c7$845f7970$8d1e6c50$@gmail.com> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From AMatney at reedsmith.com Wed Jan 31 21:15:46 2024 From: AMatney at reedsmith.com (Matney, Angela R.) Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2024 21:15:46 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] Document Comparison Software Message-ID: Hello everyone, Has anyone had experience using JAWS with any of the document comparison solutions listed below? If so, did you find the process to create redlines, as well as the output, to be generally accessible? * Litera Compare * Draftable Legal * NOVO Compare * DiffChecker * Compare Suite * Office.com with the Litera Add-in Or are there other solutions you would recommend? Has anyone had experience with scripting any of the above for JAWS compatibility? Thanks for any thoughts you might have. Best, Angie Angela R. Matney, CIPP/US (Angie) Counsel D: +1 202-414-9343 Preferred pronouns: she/her amatney at reedsmith.com Bio|vCard|E-Mail|ReedSmith.com 1301 K Street, NW, Suite 1000 Washington, DC 20005 ReedSmith * * * This E-mail, along with any attachments, is considered confidential and may well be legally privileged. If you have received it in error, you are on notice of its status. 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