From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Mon Jul  1 16:44:24 2024
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2024 12:44:24 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] Writing sample LSAT remote proctoring
In-Reply-To: <CAO+t8U1n=s=eDz2ARbAuHs62BSm1Yx45uhq7oYmEQ0wup=YnVA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO+t8U1n=s=eDz2ARbAuHs62BSm1Yx45uhq7oYmEQ0wup=YnVA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EC2A452B-1D9B-4D94-B5B9-DE5454F86F9B@gmail.com>

Hello Brian and all. Hope everyone is doing well. Regarding your question, I did the writing sample, but I wrote it with Microsoft word document. A suggestion for you is to request as an accommodation to write your essay with word. As I mentioned, when I wrote  it, I had the prompt in Braille format and I wrote my writing sample in word. I never used Proctor U. When I ask for that accommodation, they provide me a LSAC proctor by zooom.  Hope this suggestion helps. Thanks so much for reading!
Helga Schreiber 
Email Address: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
Sent From my iPhone 11 Pro Max 
 


> On Jun 29, 2024, at 1:41 PM, omar duncan via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi guys happy weekend
> 
> 
> I am doing LSAT writing sample test  now.
> 
> It is proctored on proctor U and the proctors  are incredibly idiotic,
> especially when dealing with visually impaired, and their system has
> problems.
> 
> Has anyone taken remotely proctored writing sample lsat test on proctor U
> and encountered difficulties in general without or without Proctor U
> administering it.
> 
> 
> Those people acknowledge I am visually impaired but somehow expect  a low
> vision person  to sit back “  in frame” like 10 feet away from the monitor
> as if a normally sighted person would.  It is necessary to look close and
> be out of  frame due to vision difficulty.
> 
> 
> the bar for human stupidity just got lowered immensely 10th fold after that
> acknowledgment but expecting to look a million feet a way from the camera
> when being vision impaired.
> 
> Any feedback on experiences is appreciated
> 
> Best,
> Brian
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From rothmanjd at gmail.com  Mon Jul  1 20:49:06 2024
From: rothmanjd at gmail.com (rothmanjd at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2024 16:49:06 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] Vacancy Announcement: Equal Employment Opportunity
 Specialist
Message-ID: <04d301dacbf8$1decb130$59c61390$@gmail.com>

Folks,

I'm seeking to fill a GS-13 vacancy for an Equal Employment Opportunity
Specialist on my staff.  This is a GS-13 position.  The position is located
in Baltimore, with frequent telework available - our current policy for
positions of this nature is one day in the office per week.  Those with
Schedule A eligibility are encouraged to apply.

 

There are two vacancy announcements - one for members of the public (DE),
and the other for current and former Federal employees (MP).  The Schedule A
opportunity is part of the current and former Federal employee opportunity,
even if those individuals have never worked for the government (I don't know
why it's set up that way).  Those who wish to apply for both postings can do
so as long as they are eligible.

 

DE:  <https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/797092600>
https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/797092600

MP:  <https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/797095100>
https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/797095100

 

 

 

Information is below:

 


Equal Employment Opportunity Specialist


DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES

Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services

Office of Equal Opportunity and Civil Rights (OEOCR)

 

 

This position is located in the Department of Health & Human Services (HHS),
Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), Office of Equal Opportunity
and Civil Rights (OEOCR), EEO Compliance Group (EEOCG).

As an Equal Employment Opportunity Specialist, GS-0260-13, you will process
Federal sector EEO complaints filed by employees, applicants, former
employees, and Commissioned Corps Officers.


Overview


*       Accepting applications


*       Open & closing dates


 06/27/2024 to 07/10/2024


*       Salary


$117,962 - $153,354 per year


*       Pay scale & grade


GS 13

*	 <https://help.usajobs.gov/how-to/job-announcement/locations>  Help


Location


1 vacancy in the following location:

o    <https://www.usajobs.gov/job/797095100#modal-trigger> 

 <https://www.usajobs.gov/job/797095100#modal-trigger> Woodlawn, MD

 


*       Remote job


No


*       Telework eligible


Yes-as determined by the agency policy.


*       Travel Required


Occasional travel - You may be expected to travel 5% for this position.


*       Relocation expenses reimbursed


No


*       Appointment type


Permanent


*       Work schedule


Full-time


*       Service


Competitive


*       Promotion potential


13


*       Job family (Series)


 <https://www.usajobs.gov/search/results/?j=0260> 0260 Equal Employment
Opportunity


*       Supervisory status


No


*       Security clearance


 <https://help.usajobs.gov/faq/job-announcement/security-clearances> Not
Required


*       Drug test


No


*       Position sensitivity and risk


 <https://help.usajobs.gov/faq/job-announcement/security-clearances>
Moderate Risk (MR)


*       Trust determination process


 <https://help.usajobs.gov/faq/job-announcement/security-clearances>
Credentialing

 <https://help.usajobs.gov/faq/job-announcement/security-clearances>
Suitability/Fitness

 

 


Duties


*	Provide information on the EEO pre-complaint process in a timely
manner and in compliance with 29 Code of Federal Regulations Part 1614 (29
C.F.R. Part 1614) and the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC)
Management Directive 110 (MD-110).
*	Perform legal research and apply case precedent to formulate sound
legal arguments.
*	Draft, formulate, amend, revise, and prepare operating policies and
guidelines that address EEO complaint processing at CMS to ensure that all
complaints of alleged discrimination are promptly and fairly adjudicated.
*	Provide information to employees, former employees, and applicants
for employment on the options available to address various employment
issues.

 


Qualifications


ALL QUALIFICATION REQUIREMENTS MUST BE MET WITHIN 30 DAYS OF THE CLOSING
DATE OF THIS ANNOUNCEMENT.

Your resume must include detailed information as it relates to the
responsibilities and specialized experience for this position. Evidence of
copying and pasting directly from the vacancy announcement without clearly
documenting supplemental information to describe your experience will result
in an ineligible rating. This will prevent you from receiving further
consideration.

In order to qualify for the GS-13, you must meet the following: You must
demonstrate in your resume at least one year (52 weeks) of qualifying
specialized experience equivalent to the GS-12 grade level in the Federal
government, obtained in either the private or public sector, to include:

1.	Researching employment law to draft documents related to Equal
Employment Opportunity (EEO) and civil rights laws, processes, and
procedures (e.g., Final Agency Decisions, appeal briefs, settlement
agreements, technical guidance, policies); AND
2.	Analyzing data, processes, policies, or procedures to assess EEO
related risks and liabilities; AND
3.	Processing employment discrimination cases through the entire life
cycle to include conducting interviews, advising the counselee of their
rights, and engaging in settlement negotiations; AND
4.	Interpreting state and federal employment, anti-discrimination, and
civil rights laws (e.g., Code of Federal Regulations, Equal
Opportunity Commission Management Directives) to provide guidance to
employees or managers.

Experience refers to paid and unpaid experience, including volunteer work
done through National Service programs (e.g., Peace Corps, AmeriCorps) and
other organizations (e.g., professional; philanthropic; religious;
spiritual; community, student, social). Volunteer work helps build critical
competencies, knowledge, and skills and can provide valuable training and
experience that translates directly to paid employment. You will receive
credit for all qualifying experience, including volunteer experience.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ronza Othman, President

National Federation of the Blind of Maryland

443-426-4110

Pronouns: she, her, hers

 

The National Federation of the Blind of Maryland knows that blindness is not
the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
blindness is not what holds you back

 


From rothmanjd at gmail.com  Mon Jul  1 22:14:46 2024
From: rothmanjd at gmail.com (rothmanjd at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2024 18:14:46 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] ABA #BeCounted Campaign for Lawyers with Disabilities
Message-ID: <05f301dacc04$15851670$408f4350$@gmail.com>

The American Bar Association's Commission on Disability Rights invites you
to take part in the #BeCounted campaign during Disability Pride Month this
July. 

 

The #BeCounted campaign encourages lawyers with disabilities across the
country to add themselves to our growing U.S. map. Why? Because lawyers with
disabilities are significantly underrepresented and underreported in the
legal profession. According to the 2021
<https://www.americanbar.org/content/dam/aba/administrative/diversity-inclus
ion-center/2021-md-survey-2nd-edition.pdf> ABA Model Diversity Survey,
"[a]ttorneys with a disability are generally underreported and/or
underrepresented at every level and are significantly more likely to work in
the "Other Attorney" role compared to all other groups within law firms."
Also, "[f]or the most recent year, most law firms did not hire a single
attorney [who] self-identified as . . . having a disability."  Furthermore,
according to a
<https://www.nalp.org/uploads/Research/2023NALPReportonDiversityFinal.pdf>
2023 report from the National Association of Law Placement (NALP), only 1.4%
of law firm lawyers surveyed self-identified as having a disability. We (and
NALP) believe there are more, given that one in four adults in the United
States have a disability. 

 

Join our #BeCounted campaign and express your disability pride. To
participate, complete our short digital form, which will ask for your city
and state and disability/ies.

 

Visit this link for the survey:

https://www.americanbar.org/groups/diversity/disabilityrights/initiatives_aw
ards/becounted/

 

 Note: This is an ongoing initiative, so we will be accepting responses
beyond July.  

 

To view the map, visit our #BeCounted page and follow us on Twitter (
<https://twitter.com/ABADisability> @ABADisability) for updates. If you have
any questions, please email Amy Allbright at
<mailto:amy.allbright at americanbar.org> amy.allbright at americanbar.org. 

 

In solidarity, 
ABA Commission on Disability Rights 

 

 

 

Ronza Othman, President

National Federation of the Blind of Maryland

443-426-4110

Pronouns: she, her, hers

 

The National Federation of the Blind of Maryland knows that blindness is not
the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
blindness is not what holds you back

 


From jtfetter at yahoo.com  Wed Jul  3 21:31:11 2024
From: jtfetter at yahoo.com (James T. Fetter)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2024 21:31:11 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [blindLaw] NABL 2024 Annual Meeting Information, Registration,
 Dues, and Agenda
In-Reply-To: <04a701dac743$118c8910$34a59b30$@gmail.com>
References: <04a701dac743$118c8910$34a59b30$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1363268571.478946.1720042271744@mail.yahoo.com>

 Apologies for the last-minute question, but how many CLE hours can attendees obtain, and for which states? Thanks!
    On Tuesday, June 25, 2024 at 05:04:58 PM EDT, Ronza Othman via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:  
 
 Please join the National Association of Blind Lawyers for our 2024 Annual
Meeting on July 5, 2024 from 1 - 6:30PM Eastern Time, including our
networking reception.  Attendees may join in person at the Rosen Center
Hotel, Salon 9, or via the Zoom link on the agenda.  Continuing Legal
Education credit is only available for in-person attendees.

 

The Networking Reception will take place in Salon 6, and only those with
tickets may participate.  Those who register for the Annual Meeting will
receive a ticket to the Networking Reception.

 

The agenda is pasted below, attached, and available online at
https://blindlawyers.net.

 

Register today online by visiting

https://blindlawyers.net

 

You can also register in person at the meeting.

 

Below is the price list:

*    Regular Annual Meeting Registration and Dues: $26 (Those paying with
cash will receive a $1 discount)
*    Student Annual Registration and Dues: $6 (Those paying with cash
will receive a $1 discount)
*    CLE Materials: $26 (Those paying with cash will receive a $1
discount)
*    Regular Registration, Dues, and CLE Bundle: $52 (Those paying with
cash will receive a $2 discount)

 

Please note: Continuing Legal Education credit will be available for
in-person attendees only.

 

AGENDA

NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND LAWYERS

2024 ANNUAL MEETING

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----

 

Friday, July 5, 2024

Salon 9

Rosen Center Hotel

Orlando, Florida

 

Join Zoom Meeting

 
<https://nfb-org.zoom.us/j/93787091548?pwd=PaRfHfb0cdV1vzb6wzxJXKNJaqMfLl.1>
https://nfb-org.zoom.us/j/93787091548?pwd=PaRfHfb0cdV1vzb6wzxJXKNJaqMfLl.1 

 

Note:  This meeting is taking place in U.S. Eastern Time.

 

1:00 PM    WELCOME, LOGISTICS, & INTRODUCTIONS

Ronza Othman, President, NABL; Baltimore, Maryland

 

1:20 PM    CHANGES COMING TO THE LSAT & BAR EXAM

Sanho Steele-Louchart, Attorney and Legal Program Coordinator, NFB; Battle
Creek, Michigan

Denise Avant, Governor, American Bar Association Board of Governors;
Chicago, Illinois

 

1:35 PM    THE LAW SCHOOL EXPERIENCE: BEYOND THE LECTURE HALL

Moderator: Elizabeth Rouse, Board Member, NABL; Durant, Iowa

Rose Warner, Rising 4L, University of Denver Sturm College of Law; Denver,
Colorado

Julie A. Orozco, JD, Intern, Neighborhood Legal Services Program of
Washington, DC; Arlington, Virginia

James Fetter, Associate, Kahn, Swick, & Foti; North Canton, Ohio

Kyra Sweeney, Staff Attorney, Health Law Advocates; Boston, Massachusetts

 

2:05 PM    FIGHTING FOR DEMOCRACY: ACCESS FOR VOTERS WITH DISABILITIES

Moderator: Eve Hill, General Counsel, NFB and Partner, Brown Goldstein &
Levy; Baltimore, Maryland

Norma Crosby, NFB Treasurer; President, NFB of Texas; Alvin, Texas

Tracy Soforenko, NFB Board Member; President, NFB of Virginia; Arlington,
Virginia

 

2:40 PM    ABLE ACCOUNTS: WHAT LAWYERS NEED TO KNOW

John Finch, Director, ABLE United; Tallahassee, Florida

 

3:10 PM    BREAK

 

3:20 PM    ADVANCING THE RIGHTS OF THE BLIND AND OTHERS WITH DISABILITIES:
A Survey of NFB Litigation

Eve Hill, General Counsel, NFB; Partner, Brown Goldstein & Levy; Baltimore,
Maryland

 

3:50 PM    BE COUNTED: LAWYERS WITH DISABILITIES IN THE LEGAL PROFESSION

Ronza Othman, President, National Association of Blind Lawyers; Advisor, ABA
Commission on Disability; Baltimore, Maryland

 

4:00 PM    NON-TRADITIONAL CAREERS FOR LAWYERS

Patti Chang, Director of Outreach, NFB; Chicago, Illinois

Greg Trapp, Executive Director, New Mexico Commission for the Blind;
Albuquerque, New Mexico

 

4:20 PM    ANNUAL BUSINESS MEETING

 

4:30 PM    ADJOURN TO RECEPTION

 

Join us for cocktails and hors d'oeuvres in Salon 6 as we celebrate the
progress of our organization.  Network and meet your fellow blind attorneys
and legal professionals.  We thank Jackson Walker LLP for sponsoring our
annual meeting and networking reception!  

 

 

Ronza Othman, President

National Federation of the Blind of Maryland

443-426-4110

Pronouns: she, her, hers

 

The National Federation of the Blind of Maryland knows that blindness is not
the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
blindness is not what holds you back

 

_______________________________________________
BlindLaw mailing list
BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw:
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From tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com  Wed Jul  3 21:46:55 2024
From: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com (Tai Tomasi)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2024 17:46:55 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] NABL 2024 Annual Meeting Information, Registration,
 Dues, and Agenda
In-Reply-To: <1363268571.478946.1720042271744@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1363268571.478946.1720042271744@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <93FF0FDA-CA86-4C31-9CBA-4D9918A84516@gmail.com>

It appears to be three hours of continuing legal education.
Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.
Email: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical errors.

> On Jul 3, 2024, at 5:32 PM, James T. Fetter via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
>  Apologies for the last-minute question, but how many CLE hours can attendees obtain, and for which states? Thanks!
>    On Tuesday, June 25, 2024 at 05:04:58 PM EDT, Ronza Othman via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:  
> 
> Please join the National Association of Blind Lawyers for our 2024 Annual
> Meeting on July 5, 2024 from 1 - 6:30PM Eastern Time, including our
> networking reception.  Attendees may join in person at the Rosen Center
> Hotel, Salon 9, or via the Zoom link on the agenda.  Continuing Legal
> Education credit is only available for in-person attendees.
> 
> 
> 
> The Networking Reception will take place in Salon 6, and only those with
> tickets may participate.  Those who register for the Annual Meeting will
> receive a ticket to the Networking Reception.
> 
> 
> 
> The agenda is pasted below, attached, and available online at
> https://blindlawyers.net.
> 
> 
> 
> Register today online by visiting
> 
> https://blindlawyers.net
> 
> 
> 
> You can also register in person at the meeting.
> 
> 
> 
> Below is the price list:
> 
> *    Regular Annual Meeting Registration and Dues: $26 (Those paying with
> cash will receive a $1 discount)
> *    Student Annual Registration and Dues: $6 (Those paying with cash
> will receive a $1 discount)
> *    CLE Materials: $26 (Those paying with cash will receive a $1
> discount)
> *    Regular Registration, Dues, and CLE Bundle: $52 (Those paying with
> cash will receive a $2 discount)
> 
> 
> 
> Please note: Continuing Legal Education credit will be available for
> in-person attendees only.
> 
> 
> 
> AGENDA
> 
> NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND LAWYERS
> 
> 2024 ANNUAL MEETING
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -----
> 
> 
> 
> Friday, July 5, 2024
> 
> Salon 9
> 
> Rosen Center Hotel
> 
> Orlando, Florida
> 
> 
> 
> Join Zoom Meeting
> 
> 
> <https://nfb-org.zoom.us/j/93787091548?pwd=PaRfHfb0cdV1vzb6wzxJXKNJaqMfLl.1>
> https://nfb-org.zoom.us/j/93787091548?pwd=PaRfHfb0cdV1vzb6wzxJXKNJaqMfLl.1
> 
> 
> 
> Note:  This meeting is taking place in U.S. Eastern Time.
> 
> 
> 
> 1:00 PM    WELCOME, LOGISTICS, & INTRODUCTIONS
> 
> Ronza Othman, President, NABL; Baltimore, Maryland
> 
> 
> 
> 1:20 PM    CHANGES COMING TO THE LSAT & BAR EXAM
> 
> Sanho Steele-Louchart, Attorney and Legal Program Coordinator, NFB; Battle
> Creek, Michigan
> 
> Denise Avant, Governor, American Bar Association Board of Governors;
> Chicago, Illinois
> 
> 
> 
> 1:35 PM    THE LAW SCHOOL EXPERIENCE: BEYOND THE LECTURE HALL
> 
> Moderator: Elizabeth Rouse, Board Member, NABL; Durant, Iowa
> 
> Rose Warner, Rising 4L, University of Denver Sturm College of Law; Denver,
> Colorado
> 
> Julie A. Orozco, JD, Intern, Neighborhood Legal Services Program of
> Washington, DC; Arlington, Virginia
> 
> James Fetter, Associate, Kahn, Swick, & Foti; North Canton, Ohio
> 
> Kyra Sweeney, Staff Attorney, Health Law Advocates; Boston, Massachusetts
> 
> 
> 
> 2:05 PM    FIGHTING FOR DEMOCRACY: ACCESS FOR VOTERS WITH DISABILITIES
> 
> Moderator: Eve Hill, General Counsel, NFB and Partner, Brown Goldstein &
> Levy; Baltimore, Maryland
> 
> Norma Crosby, NFB Treasurer; President, NFB of Texas; Alvin, Texas
> 
> Tracy Soforenko, NFB Board Member; President, NFB of Virginia; Arlington,
> Virginia
> 
> 
> 
> 2:40 PM    ABLE ACCOUNTS: WHAT LAWYERS NEED TO KNOW
> 
> John Finch, Director, ABLE United; Tallahassee, Florida
> 
> 
> 
> 3:10 PM    BREAK
> 
> 
> 
> 3:20 PM    ADVANCING THE RIGHTS OF THE BLIND AND OTHERS WITH DISABILITIES:
> A Survey of NFB Litigation
> 
> Eve Hill, General Counsel, NFB; Partner, Brown Goldstein & Levy; Baltimore,
> Maryland
> 
> 
> 
> 3:50 PM    BE COUNTED: LAWYERS WITH DISABILITIES IN THE LEGAL PROFESSION
> 
> Ronza Othman, President, National Association of Blind Lawyers; Advisor, ABA
> Commission on Disability; Baltimore, Maryland
> 
> 
> 
> 4:00 PM    NON-TRADITIONAL CAREERS FOR LAWYERS
> 
> Patti Chang, Director of Outreach, NFB; Chicago, Illinois
> 
> Greg Trapp, Executive Director, New Mexico Commission for the Blind;
> Albuquerque, New Mexico
> 
> 
> 
> 4:20 PM    ANNUAL BUSINESS MEETING
> 
> 
> 
> 4:30 PM    ADJOURN TO RECEPTION
> 
> 
> 
> Join us for cocktails and hors d'oeuvres in Salon 6 as we celebrate the
> progress of our organization.  Network and meet your fellow blind attorneys
> and legal professionals.  We thank Jackson Walker LLP for sponsoring our
> annual meeting and networking reception! 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Ronza Othman, President
> 
> National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
> 
> 443-426-4110
> 
> Pronouns: she, her, hers
> 
> 
> 
> The National Federation of the Blind of Maryland knows that blindness is not
> the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
> between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
> blindness is not what holds you back
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> BlindLaw mailing list
> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
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> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw:
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> 
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From rothmanjd at gmail.com  Wed Jul  3 22:14:55 2024
From: rothmanjd at gmail.com (Ronza Othman)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2024 18:14:55 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] NABL 2024 Annual Meeting Information, Registration,
 Dues, and Agenda
In-Reply-To: <1363268571.478946.1720042271744@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1363268571.478946.1720042271744@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8B68569C-BD6C-47C7-8D43-5D3A87C50A4D@gmail.com>

210 minutes, and you would request the CLEs directly from your jurisdiction.

Ronza Othman, President
National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
443-426-4110
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 3, 2024, at 5:32 PM, James T. Fetter via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
>  Apologies for the last-minute question, but how many CLE hours can attendees obtain, and for which states? Thanks!
>    On Tuesday, June 25, 2024 at 05:04:58 PM EDT, Ronza Othman via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:  
> 
> Please join the National Association of Blind Lawyers for our 2024 Annual
> Meeting on July 5, 2024 from 1 - 6:30PM Eastern Time, including our
> networking reception.  Attendees may join in person at the Rosen Center
> Hotel, Salon 9, or via the Zoom link on the agenda.  Continuing Legal
> Education credit is only available for in-person attendees.
> 
> 
> 
> The Networking Reception will take place in Salon 6, and only those with
> tickets may participate.  Those who register for the Annual Meeting will
> receive a ticket to the Networking Reception.
> 
> 
> 
> The agenda is pasted below, attached, and available online at
> https://blindlawyers.net.
> 
> 
> 
> Register today online by visiting
> 
> https://blindlawyers.net
> 
> 
> 
> You can also register in person at the meeting.
> 
> 
> 
> Below is the price list:
> 
> *    Regular Annual Meeting Registration and Dues: $26 (Those paying with
> cash will receive a $1 discount)
> *    Student Annual Registration and Dues: $6 (Those paying with cash
> will receive a $1 discount)
> *    CLE Materials: $26 (Those paying with cash will receive a $1
> discount)
> *    Regular Registration, Dues, and CLE Bundle: $52 (Those paying with
> cash will receive a $2 discount)
> 
> 
> 
> Please note: Continuing Legal Education credit will be available for
> in-person attendees only.
> 
> 
> 
> AGENDA
> 
> NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND LAWYERS
> 
> 2024 ANNUAL MEETING
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -----
> 
> 
> 
> Friday, July 5, 2024
> 
> Salon 9
> 
> Rosen Center Hotel
> 
> Orlando, Florida
> 
> 
> 
> Join Zoom Meeting
> 
> 
> <https://nfb-org.zoom.us/j/93787091548?pwd=PaRfHfb0cdV1vzb6wzxJXKNJaqMfLl.1>
> https://nfb-org.zoom.us/j/93787091548?pwd=PaRfHfb0cdV1vzb6wzxJXKNJaqMfLl.1
> 
> 
> 
> Note:  This meeting is taking place in U.S. Eastern Time.
> 
> 
> 
> 1:00 PM    WELCOME, LOGISTICS, & INTRODUCTIONS
> 
> Ronza Othman, President, NABL; Baltimore, Maryland
> 
> 
> 
> 1:20 PM    CHANGES COMING TO THE LSAT & BAR EXAM
> 
> Sanho Steele-Louchart, Attorney and Legal Program Coordinator, NFB; Battle
> Creek, Michigan
> 
> Denise Avant, Governor, American Bar Association Board of Governors;
> Chicago, Illinois
> 
> 
> 
> 1:35 PM    THE LAW SCHOOL EXPERIENCE: BEYOND THE LECTURE HALL
> 
> Moderator: Elizabeth Rouse, Board Member, NABL; Durant, Iowa
> 
> Rose Warner, Rising 4L, University of Denver Sturm College of Law; Denver,
> Colorado
> 
> Julie A. Orozco, JD, Intern, Neighborhood Legal Services Program of
> Washington, DC; Arlington, Virginia
> 
> James Fetter, Associate, Kahn, Swick, & Foti; North Canton, Ohio
> 
> Kyra Sweeney, Staff Attorney, Health Law Advocates; Boston, Massachusetts
> 
> 
> 
> 2:05 PM    FIGHTING FOR DEMOCRACY: ACCESS FOR VOTERS WITH DISABILITIES
> 
> Moderator: Eve Hill, General Counsel, NFB and Partner, Brown Goldstein &
> Levy; Baltimore, Maryland
> 
> Norma Crosby, NFB Treasurer; President, NFB of Texas; Alvin, Texas
> 
> Tracy Soforenko, NFB Board Member; President, NFB of Virginia; Arlington,
> Virginia
> 
> 
> 
> 2:40 PM    ABLE ACCOUNTS: WHAT LAWYERS NEED TO KNOW
> 
> John Finch, Director, ABLE United; Tallahassee, Florida
> 
> 
> 
> 3:10 PM    BREAK
> 
> 
> 
> 3:20 PM    ADVANCING THE RIGHTS OF THE BLIND AND OTHERS WITH DISABILITIES:
> A Survey of NFB Litigation
> 
> Eve Hill, General Counsel, NFB; Partner, Brown Goldstein & Levy; Baltimore,
> Maryland
> 
> 
> 
> 3:50 PM    BE COUNTED: LAWYERS WITH DISABILITIES IN THE LEGAL PROFESSION
> 
> Ronza Othman, President, National Association of Blind Lawyers; Advisor, ABA
> Commission on Disability; Baltimore, Maryland
> 
> 
> 
> 4:00 PM    NON-TRADITIONAL CAREERS FOR LAWYERS
> 
> Patti Chang, Director of Outreach, NFB; Chicago, Illinois
> 
> Greg Trapp, Executive Director, New Mexico Commission for the Blind;
> Albuquerque, New Mexico
> 
> 
> 
> 4:20 PM    ANNUAL BUSINESS MEETING
> 
> 
> 
> 4:30 PM    ADJOURN TO RECEPTION
> 
> 
> 
> Join us for cocktails and hors d'oeuvres in Salon 6 as we celebrate the
> progress of our organization.  Network and meet your fellow blind attorneys
> and legal professionals.  We thank Jackson Walker LLP for sponsoring our
> annual meeting and networking reception! 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Ronza Othman, President
> 
> National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
> 
> 443-426-4110
> 
> Pronouns: she, her, hers
> 
> 
> 
> The National Federation of the Blind of Maryland knows that blindness is not
> the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
> between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
> blindness is not what holds you back
> 
> 
> 
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From Robert.Fenton at cnib.ca  Wed Jul  3 22:20:26 2024
From: Robert.Fenton at cnib.ca (Robert Fenton)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2024 22:20:26 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] NABL 2024 Annual Meeting Information, Registration,
 Dues, and Agenda
In-Reply-To: <8B68569C-BD6C-47C7-8D43-5D3A87C50A4D@gmail.com>
References: <1363268571.478946.1720042271744@mail.yahoo.com>
 <8B68569C-BD6C-47C7-8D43-5D3A87C50A4D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <YQBPR0101MB9726A1A0B010F1547017C226FADD2@YQBPR0101MB9726.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Thank you Ronza. I will have to pay in person since your website does not like my international credit card.

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210 minutes, and you would request the CLEs directly from your jurisdiction.

Ronza Othman, President
National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
443-426-4110
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 3, 2024, at 5:32 PM, James T. Fetter via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>  Apologies for the last-minute question, but how many CLE hours can attendees obtain, and for which states? Thanks!
>    On Tuesday, June 25, 2024 at 05:04:58 PM EDT, Ronza Othman via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Please join the National Association of Blind Lawyers for our 2024 Annual
> Meeting on July 5, 2024 from 1 - 6:30PM Eastern Time, including our
> networking reception.  Attendees may join in person at the Rosen Center
> Hotel, Salon 9, or via the Zoom link on the agenda.  Continuing Legal
> Education credit is only available for in-person attendees.
>
>
>
> The Networking Reception will take place in Salon 6, and only those with
> tickets may participate.  Those who register for the Annual Meeting will
> receive a ticket to the Networking Reception.
>
>
>
> The agenda is pasted below, attached, and available online at
> https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fblindlawyers.net%2F&data=05%7C02%7C%7C69bd78a16b9a49e06bf008dc9badce43%7Cfbd8a8d99ca948378d3ba5982af51080%7C0%7C0%7C638556417996926637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=pXgl27DYLlPe72iXqsAOpLgxz3LoHIOwWh07INjWtxQ%3D&reserved=0<https://blindlawyers.net/>.
>
>
>
> Register today online by visiting
>
> https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fblindlawyers.net%2F&data=05%7C02%7C%7C69bd78a16b9a49e06bf008dc9badce43%7Cfbd8a8d99ca948378d3ba5982af51080%7C0%7C0%7C638556417996938549%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=LjpD2dbSqfUHhBMezbsFsXM09cx2qHawS5tUbg5fJ0U%3D&reserved=0<https://blindlawyers.net/>
>
>
>
> You can also register in person at the meeting.
>
>
>
> Below is the price list:
>
> *    Regular Annual Meeting Registration and Dues: $26 (Those paying with
> cash will receive a $1 discount)
> *    Student Annual Registration and Dues: $6 (Those paying with cash
> will receive a $1 discount)
> *    CLE Materials: $26 (Those paying with cash will receive a $1
> discount)
> *    Regular Registration, Dues, and CLE Bundle: $52 (Those paying with
> cash will receive a $2 discount)
>
>
>
> Please note: Continuing Legal Education credit will be available for
> in-person attendees only.
>
>
>
> AGENDA
>
> NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND LAWYERS
>
> 2024 ANNUAL MEETING
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
>
>
> Friday, July 5, 2024
>
> Salon 9
>
> Rosen Center Hotel
>
> Orlando, Florida
>
>
>
> Join Zoom Meeting
>
>
> <https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fnfb-org.zoom.us%2Fj%2F93787091548%3Fpwd%3DPaRfHfb0cdV1vzb6wzxJXKNJaqMfLl.1&data=05%7C02%7C%7C69bd78a16b9a49e06bf008dc9badce43%7Cfbd8a8d99ca948378d3ba5982af51080%7C0%7C0%7C638556417996946820%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Lpf0VEklzy2BdWHw2raYff4HhrWQvN7DLQIrjbGRg5I%3D&reserved=0<https://nfb-org.zoom.us/j/93787091548?pwd=PaRfHfb0cdV1vzb6wzxJXKNJaqMfLl.1>>
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>
>
>
> Note:  This meeting is taking place in U.S. Eastern Time.
>
>
>
> 1:00 PM    WELCOME, LOGISTICS, & INTRODUCTIONS
>
> Ronza Othman, President, NABL; Baltimore, Maryland
>
>
>
> 1:20 PM    CHANGES COMING TO THE LSAT & BAR EXAM
>
> Sanho Steele-Louchart, Attorney and Legal Program Coordinator, NFB; Battle
> Creek, Michigan
>
> Denise Avant, Governor, American Bar Association Board of Governors;
> Chicago, Illinois
>
>
>
> 1:35 PM    THE LAW SCHOOL EXPERIENCE: BEYOND THE LECTURE HALL
>
> Moderator: Elizabeth Rouse, Board Member, NABL; Durant, Iowa
>
> Rose Warner, Rising 4L, University of Denver Sturm College of Law; Denver,
> Colorado
>
> Julie A. Orozco, JD, Intern, Neighborhood Legal Services Program of
> Washington, DC; Arlington, Virginia
>
> James Fetter, Associate, Kahn, Swick, & Foti; North Canton, Ohio
>
> Kyra Sweeney, Staff Attorney, Health Law Advocates; Boston, Massachusetts
>
>
>
> 2:05 PM    FIGHTING FOR DEMOCRACY: ACCESS FOR VOTERS WITH DISABILITIES
>
> Moderator: Eve Hill, General Counsel, NFB and Partner, Brown Goldstein &
> Levy; Baltimore, Maryland
>
> Norma Crosby, NFB Treasurer; President, NFB of Texas; Alvin, Texas
>
> Tracy Soforenko, NFB Board Member; President, NFB of Virginia; Arlington,
> Virginia
>
>
>
> 2:40 PM    ABLE ACCOUNTS: WHAT LAWYERS NEED TO KNOW
>
> John Finch, Director, ABLE United; Tallahassee, Florida
>
>
>
> 3:10 PM    BREAK
>
>
>
> 3:20 PM    ADVANCING THE RIGHTS OF THE BLIND AND OTHERS WITH DISABILITIES:
> A Survey of NFB Litigation
>
> Eve Hill, General Counsel, NFB; Partner, Brown Goldstein & Levy; Baltimore,
> Maryland
>
>
>
> 3:50 PM    BE COUNTED: LAWYERS WITH DISABILITIES IN THE LEGAL PROFESSION
>
> Ronza Othman, President, National Association of Blind Lawyers; Advisor, ABA
> Commission on Disability; Baltimore, Maryland
>
>
>
> 4:00 PM    NON-TRADITIONAL CAREERS FOR LAWYERS
>
> Patti Chang, Director of Outreach, NFB; Chicago, Illinois
>
> Greg Trapp, Executive Director, New Mexico Commission for the Blind;
> Albuquerque, New Mexico
>
>
>
> 4:20 PM    ANNUAL BUSINESS MEETING
>
>
>
> 4:30 PM    ADJOURN TO RECEPTION
>
>
>
> Join us for cocktails and hors d'oeuvres in Salon 6 as we celebrate the
> progress of our organization.  Network and meet your fellow blind attorneys
> and legal professionals.  We thank Jackson Walker LLP for sponsoring our
> annual meeting and networking reception!
>
>
>
>
>
> Ronza Othman, President
>
> National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
>
> 443-426-4110
>
> Pronouns: she, her, hers
>
>
>
> The National Federation of the Blind of Maryland knows that blindness is not
> the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
> between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
> blindness is not what holds you back
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From jtfetter at yahoo.com  Wed Jul  3 22:27:51 2024
From: jtfetter at yahoo.com (James T. Fetter)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2024 22:27:51 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [blindLaw] NABL 2024 Annual Meeting Information, Registration,
 Dues, and Agenda
In-Reply-To: <YQBPR0101MB9726A1A0B010F1547017C226FADD2@YQBPR0101MB9726.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <1363268571.478946.1720042271744@mail.yahoo.com>
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 <YQBPR0101MB9726A1A0B010F1547017C226FADD2@YQBPR0101MB9726.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <1205915502.487512.1720045671747@mail.yahoo.com>

 Will attendees receive a certificate of attendance for submission to the jurisdiction and/or proof of hours in some form? Thanks!
    On Wednesday, July 3, 2024 at 06:21:54 PM EDT, Robert Fenton via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:  
 
 Thank you Ronza. I will have to pay in person since your website does not like my international credit card.

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Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2024 4:14:55 PM
To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Ronza Othman <rothmanjd at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [blindLaw] NABL 2024 Annual Meeting Information, Registration, Dues, and Agenda

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210 minutes, and you would request the CLEs directly from your jurisdiction.

Ronza Othman, President
National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
443-426-4110
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 3, 2024, at 5:32 PM, James T. Fetter via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>  Apologies for the last-minute question, but how many CLE hours can attendees obtain, and for which states? Thanks!
>    On Tuesday, June 25, 2024 at 05:04:58 PM EDT, Ronza Othman via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Please join the National Association of Blind Lawyers for our 2024 Annual
> Meeting on July 5, 2024 from 1 - 6:30PM Eastern Time, including our
> networking reception.  Attendees may join in person at the Rosen Center
> Hotel, Salon 9, or via the Zoom link on the agenda.  Continuing Legal
> Education credit is only available for in-person attendees.
>
>
>
> The Networking Reception will take place in Salon 6, and only those with
> tickets may participate.  Those who register for the Annual Meeting will
> receive a ticket to the Networking Reception.
>
>
>
> The agenda is pasted below, attached, and available online at
> https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fblindlawyers.net%2F&data=05%7C02%7C%7C69bd78a16b9a49e06bf008dc9badce43%7Cfbd8a8d99ca948378d3ba5982af51080%7C0%7C0%7C638556417996926637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=pXgl27DYLlPe72iXqsAOpLgxz3LoHIOwWh07INjWtxQ%3D&reserved=0<https://blindlawyers.net/>.
>
>
>
> Register today online by visiting
>
> https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fblindlawyers.net%2F&data=05%7C02%7C%7C69bd78a16b9a49e06bf008dc9badce43%7Cfbd8a8d99ca948378d3ba5982af51080%7C0%7C0%7C638556417996938549%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=LjpD2dbSqfUHhBMezbsFsXM09cx2qHawS5tUbg5fJ0U%3D&reserved=0<https://blindlawyers.net/>
>
>
>
> You can also register in person at the meeting.
>
>
>
> Below is the price list:
>
> *    Regular Annual Meeting Registration and Dues: $26 (Those paying with
> cash will receive a $1 discount)
> *    Student Annual Registration and Dues: $6 (Those paying with cash
> will receive a $1 discount)
> *    CLE Materials: $26 (Those paying with cash will receive a $1
> discount)
> *    Regular Registration, Dues, and CLE Bundle: $52 (Those paying with
> cash will receive a $2 discount)
>
>
>
> Please note: Continuing Legal Education credit will be available for
> in-person attendees only.
>
>
>
> AGENDA
>
> NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND LAWYERS
>
> 2024 ANNUAL MEETING
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
>
>
> Friday, July 5, 2024
>
> Salon 9
>
> Rosen Center Hotel
>
> Orlando, Florida
>
>
>
> Join Zoom Meeting
>
>
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>
>
>
> Note:  This meeting is taking place in U.S. Eastern Time.
>
>
>
> 1:00 PM    WELCOME, LOGISTICS, & INTRODUCTIONS
>
> Ronza Othman, President, NABL; Baltimore, Maryland
>
>
>
> 1:20 PM    CHANGES COMING TO THE LSAT & BAR EXAM
>
> Sanho Steele-Louchart, Attorney and Legal Program Coordinator, NFB; Battle
> Creek, Michigan
>
> Denise Avant, Governor, American Bar Association Board of Governors;
> Chicago, Illinois
>
>
>
> 1:35 PM    THE LAW SCHOOL EXPERIENCE: BEYOND THE LECTURE HALL
>
> Moderator: Elizabeth Rouse, Board Member, NABL; Durant, Iowa
>
> Rose Warner, Rising 4L, University of Denver Sturm College of Law; Denver,
> Colorado
>
> Julie A. Orozco, JD, Intern, Neighborhood Legal Services Program of
> Washington, DC; Arlington, Virginia
>
> James Fetter, Associate, Kahn, Swick, & Foti; North Canton, Ohio
>
> Kyra Sweeney, Staff Attorney, Health Law Advocates; Boston, Massachusetts
>
>
>
> 2:05 PM    FIGHTING FOR DEMOCRACY: ACCESS FOR VOTERS WITH DISABILITIES
>
> Moderator: Eve Hill, General Counsel, NFB and Partner, Brown Goldstein &
> Levy; Baltimore, Maryland
>
> Norma Crosby, NFB Treasurer; President, NFB of Texas; Alvin, Texas
>
> Tracy Soforenko, NFB Board Member; President, NFB of Virginia; Arlington,
> Virginia
>
>
>
> 2:40 PM    ABLE ACCOUNTS: WHAT LAWYERS NEED TO KNOW
>
> John Finch, Director, ABLE United; Tallahassee, Florida
>
>
>
> 3:10 PM    BREAK
>
>
>
> 3:20 PM    ADVANCING THE RIGHTS OF THE BLIND AND OTHERS WITH DISABILITIES:
> A Survey of NFB Litigation
>
> Eve Hill, General Counsel, NFB; Partner, Brown Goldstein & Levy; Baltimore,
> Maryland
>
>
>
> 3:50 PM    BE COUNTED: LAWYERS WITH DISABILITIES IN THE LEGAL PROFESSION
>
> Ronza Othman, President, National Association of Blind Lawyers; Advisor, ABA
> Commission on Disability; Baltimore, Maryland
>
>
>
> 4:00 PM    NON-TRADITIONAL CAREERS FOR LAWYERS
>
> Patti Chang, Director of Outreach, NFB; Chicago, Illinois
>
> Greg Trapp, Executive Director, New Mexico Commission for the Blind;
> Albuquerque, New Mexico
>
>
>
> 4:20 PM    ANNUAL BUSINESS MEETING
>
>
>
> 4:30 PM    ADJOURN TO RECEPTION
>
>
>
> Join us for cocktails and hors d'oeuvres in Salon 6 as we celebrate the
> progress of our organization.  Network and meet your fellow blind attorneys
> and legal professionals.  We thank Jackson Walker LLP for sponsoring our
> annual meeting and networking reception!
>
>
>
>
>
> Ronza Othman, President
>
> National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
>
> 443-426-4110
>
> Pronouns: she, her, hers
>
>
>
> The National Federation of the Blind of Maryland knows that blindness is not
> the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
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> blindness is not what holds you back
>
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From rothmanjd at gmail.com  Wed Jul  3 22:30:30 2024
From: rothmanjd at gmail.com (Ronza Othman)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2024 18:30:30 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] NABL 2024 Annual Meeting Information, Registration,
 Dues, and Agenda
In-Reply-To: <1205915502.487512.1720045671747@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1205915502.487512.1720045671747@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <533972BA-565B-4446-AAEC-D6AA191CC214@gmail.com>

Yes
Ronza Othman, President
National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
443-426-4110
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 3, 2024, at 6:29 PM, James T. Fetter via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
>  Will attendees receive a certificate of attendance for submission to the jurisdiction and/or proof of hours in some form? Thanks!
>    On Wednesday, July 3, 2024 at 06:21:54 PM EDT, Robert Fenton via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:  
> 
> Thank you Ronza. I will have to pay in person since your website does not like my international credit card.
> 
> Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> ________________________________
> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> on behalf of Ronza Othman via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2024 4:14:55 PM
> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Ronza Othman <rothmanjd at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] NABL 2024 Annual Meeting Information, Registration, Dues, and Agenda
> 
> External Email / Courriel externe
> 
> 
> 210 minutes, and you would request the CLEs directly from your jurisdiction.
> 
> Ronza Othman, President
> National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
> 443-426-4110
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 3, 2024, at 5:32 PM, James T. Fetter via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>>  Apologies for the last-minute question, but how many CLE hours can attendees obtain, and for which states? Thanks!
>>     On Tuesday, June 25, 2024 at 05:04:58 PM EDT, Ronza Othman via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Please join the National Association of Blind Lawyers for our 2024 Annual
>> Meeting on July 5, 2024 from 1 - 6:30PM Eastern Time, including our
>> networking reception.  Attendees may join in person at the Rosen Center
>> Hotel, Salon 9, or via the Zoom link on the agenda.  Continuing Legal
>> Education credit is only available for in-person attendees.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Networking Reception will take place in Salon 6, and only those with
>> tickets may participate.  Those who register for the Annual Meeting will
>> receive a ticket to the Networking Reception.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The agenda is pasted below, attached, and available online at
>> https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fblindlawyers.net%2F&data=05%7C02%7C%7C69bd78a16b9a49e06bf008dc9badce43%7Cfbd8a8d99ca948378d3ba5982af51080%7C0%7C0%7C638556417996926637%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=pXgl27DYLlPe72iXqsAOpLgxz3LoHIOwWh07INjWtxQ%3D&reserved=0<https://blindlawyers.net/>.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Register today online by visiting
>> 
>> https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fblindlawyers.net%2F&data=05%7C02%7C%7C69bd78a16b9a49e06bf008dc9badce43%7Cfbd8a8d99ca948378d3ba5982af51080%7C0%7C0%7C638556417996938549%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=LjpD2dbSqfUHhBMezbsFsXM09cx2qHawS5tUbg5fJ0U%3D&reserved=0<https://blindlawyers.net/>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> You can also register in person at the meeting.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Below is the price list:
>> 
>> *    Regular Annual Meeting Registration and Dues: $26 (Those paying with
>> cash will receive a $1 discount)
>> *    Student Annual Registration and Dues: $6 (Those paying with cash
>> will receive a $1 discount)
>> *    CLE Materials: $26 (Those paying with cash will receive a $1
>> discount)
>> *    Regular Registration, Dues, and CLE Bundle: $52 (Those paying with
>> cash will receive a $2 discount)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Please note: Continuing Legal Education credit will be available for
>> in-person attendees only.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> AGENDA
>> 
>> NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND LAWYERS
>> 
>> 2024 ANNUAL MEETING
>> 
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> -----
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Friday, July 5, 2024
>> 
>> Salon 9
>> 
>> Rosen Center Hotel
>> 
>> Orlando, Florida
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Join Zoom Meeting
>> 
>> 
>> <https://can01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fnfb-org.zoom.us%2Fj%2F93787091548%3Fpwd%3DPaRfHfb0cdV1vzb6wzxJXKNJaqMfLl.1&data=05%7C02%7C%7C69bd78a16b9a49e06bf008dc9badce43%7Cfbd8a8d99ca948378d3ba5982af51080%7C0%7C0%7C638556417996946820%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Lpf0VEklzy2BdWHw2raYff4HhrWQvN7DLQIrjbGRg5I%3D&reserved=0<https://nfb-org.zoom.us/j/93787091548?pwd=PaRfHfb0cdV1vzb6wzxJXKNJaqMfLl.1>>
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Note:  This meeting is taking place in U.S. Eastern Time.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 1:00 PM    WELCOME, LOGISTICS, & INTRODUCTIONS
>> 
>> Ronza Othman, President, NABL; Baltimore, Maryland
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 1:20 PM    CHANGES COMING TO THE LSAT & BAR EXAM
>> 
>> Sanho Steele-Louchart, Attorney and Legal Program Coordinator, NFB; Battle
>> Creek, Michigan
>> 
>> Denise Avant, Governor, American Bar Association Board of Governors;
>> Chicago, Illinois
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 1:35 PM    THE LAW SCHOOL EXPERIENCE: BEYOND THE LECTURE HALL
>> 
>> Moderator: Elizabeth Rouse, Board Member, NABL; Durant, Iowa
>> 
>> Rose Warner, Rising 4L, University of Denver Sturm College of Law; Denver,
>> Colorado
>> 
>> Julie A. Orozco, JD, Intern, Neighborhood Legal Services Program of
>> Washington, DC; Arlington, Virginia
>> 
>> James Fetter, Associate, Kahn, Swick, & Foti; North Canton, Ohio
>> 
>> Kyra Sweeney, Staff Attorney, Health Law Advocates; Boston, Massachusetts
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 2:05 PM    FIGHTING FOR DEMOCRACY: ACCESS FOR VOTERS WITH DISABILITIES
>> 
>> Moderator: Eve Hill, General Counsel, NFB and Partner, Brown Goldstein &
>> Levy; Baltimore, Maryland
>> 
>> Norma Crosby, NFB Treasurer; President, NFB of Texas; Alvin, Texas
>> 
>> Tracy Soforenko, NFB Board Member; President, NFB of Virginia; Arlington,
>> Virginia
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 2:40 PM    ABLE ACCOUNTS: WHAT LAWYERS NEED TO KNOW
>> 
>> John Finch, Director, ABLE United; Tallahassee, Florida
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 3:10 PM    BREAK
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 3:20 PM    ADVANCING THE RIGHTS OF THE BLIND AND OTHERS WITH DISABILITIES:
>> A Survey of NFB Litigation
>> 
>> Eve Hill, General Counsel, NFB; Partner, Brown Goldstein & Levy; Baltimore,
>> Maryland
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 3:50 PM    BE COUNTED: LAWYERS WITH DISABILITIES IN THE LEGAL PROFESSION
>> 
>> Ronza Othman, President, National Association of Blind Lawyers; Advisor, ABA
>> Commission on Disability; Baltimore, Maryland
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 4:00 PM    NON-TRADITIONAL CAREERS FOR LAWYERS
>> 
>> Patti Chang, Director of Outreach, NFB; Chicago, Illinois
>> 
>> Greg Trapp, Executive Director, New Mexico Commission for the Blind;
>> Albuquerque, New Mexico
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 4:20 PM    ANNUAL BUSINESS MEETING
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 4:30 PM    ADJOURN TO RECEPTION
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Join us for cocktails and hors d'oeuvres in Salon 6 as we celebrate the
>> progress of our organization.  Network and meet your fellow blind attorneys
>> and legal professionals.  We thank Jackson Walker LLP for sponsoring our
>> annual meeting and networking reception!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Ronza Othman, President
>> 
>> National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
>> 
>> 443-426-4110
>> 
>> Pronouns: she, her, hers
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The National Federation of the Blind of Maryland knows that blindness is not
>> the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
>> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
>> between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
>> blindness is not what holds you back
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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From sai at fiatfiendum.org  Wed Jul  3 22:41:24 2024
From: sai at fiatfiendum.org (Sai)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2024 23:41:24 +0100
Subject: [blindLaw] David Tatel, former blind judge for D.C. Cir.
Message-ID: <CAHs-R5zFQNrn9VxsULR3ZCHcN9r179ovwhm9N56cCd9WcN-9DQ@mail.gmail.com>

David Tatel, former blind judge for D.C. Cir.

Fresh Air Interview about following precedent when SCOTUS is going off and
about being a blind judge
https://www.npr.org/2024/07/03/1197972373/judge-tatel

Memoir, Vision: A Memoir of Blindness and Justice
https://www.bookshare.org/browse/book/6054544

Sincerely,
Sai
President, Fiat Fiendum, Inc., a 501(c)(3)

Sent from my mobile phone; please excuse the concision, typos, and
autocorrect errors.

From tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com  Wed Jul  3 23:22:28 2024
From: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com (Tai Tomasi)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2024 19:22:28 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] NABL 2024 Annual Meeting Information, Registration,
 Dues, and Agenda
In-Reply-To: <8B68569C-BD6C-47C7-8D43-5D3A87C50A4D@gmail.com>
References: <8B68569C-BD6C-47C7-8D43-5D3A87C50A4D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <99CE7923-E4C2-4C6C-AFC7-BB2B1471891A@gmail.com>

The jurisdictions in which I have reported have not allowed me to include introductory  remarks or time during breaks. This is why I said three hours (180 minutes) rather than 210 minutes. Your mileage may vary.
Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.
Email: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical errors.

> On Jul 3, 2024, at 6:16 PM, Ronza Othman via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> 210 minutes, and you would request the CLEs directly from your jurisdiction.
> 
> Ronza Othman, President
> National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
> 443-426-4110
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 3, 2024, at 5:32 PM, James T. Fetter via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>>  Apologies for the last-minute question, but how many CLE hours can attendees obtain, and for which states? Thanks!
>>   On Tuesday, June 25, 2024 at 05:04:58 PM EDT, Ronza Othman via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:  
>> 
>> Please join the National Association of Blind Lawyers for our 2024 Annual
>> Meeting on July 5, 2024 from 1 - 6:30PM Eastern Time, including our
>> networking reception.  Attendees may join in person at the Rosen Center
>> Hotel, Salon 9, or via the Zoom link on the agenda.  Continuing Legal
>> Education credit is only available for in-person attendees.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Networking Reception will take place in Salon 6, and only those with
>> tickets may participate.  Those who register for the Annual Meeting will
>> receive a ticket to the Networking Reception.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The agenda is pasted below, attached, and available online at
>> https://blindlawyers.net.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Register today online by visiting
>> 
>> https://blindlawyers.net
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> You can also register in person at the meeting.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Below is the price list:
>> 
>> *    Regular Annual Meeting Registration and Dues: $26 (Those paying with
>> cash will receive a $1 discount)
>> *    Student Annual Registration and Dues: $6 (Those paying with cash
>> will receive a $1 discount)
>> *    CLE Materials: $26 (Those paying with cash will receive a $1
>> discount)
>> *    Regular Registration, Dues, and CLE Bundle: $52 (Those paying with
>> cash will receive a $2 discount)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Please note: Continuing Legal Education credit will be available for
>> in-person attendees only.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> AGENDA
>> 
>> NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND LAWYERS
>> 
>> 2024 ANNUAL MEETING
>> 
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> -----
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Friday, July 5, 2024
>> 
>> Salon 9
>> 
>> Rosen Center Hotel
>> 
>> Orlando, Florida
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Join Zoom Meeting
>> 
>> 
>> <https://nfb-org.zoom.us/j/93787091548?pwd=PaRfHfb0cdV1vzb6wzxJXKNJaqMfLl.1>
>> https://nfb-org.zoom.us/j/93787091548?pwd=PaRfHfb0cdV1vzb6wzxJXKNJaqMfLl.1
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Note:  This meeting is taking place in U.S. Eastern Time.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 1:00 PM    WELCOME, LOGISTICS, & INTRODUCTIONS
>> 
>> Ronza Othman, President, NABL; Baltimore, Maryland
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 1:20 PM    CHANGES COMING TO THE LSAT & BAR EXAM
>> 
>> Sanho Steele-Louchart, Attorney and Legal Program Coordinator, NFB; Battle
>> Creek, Michigan
>> 
>> Denise Avant, Governor, American Bar Association Board of Governors;
>> Chicago, Illinois
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 1:35 PM    THE LAW SCHOOL EXPERIENCE: BEYOND THE LECTURE HALL
>> 
>> Moderator: Elizabeth Rouse, Board Member, NABL; Durant, Iowa
>> 
>> Rose Warner, Rising 4L, University of Denver Sturm College of Law; Denver,
>> Colorado
>> 
>> Julie A. Orozco, JD, Intern, Neighborhood Legal Services Program of
>> Washington, DC; Arlington, Virginia
>> 
>> James Fetter, Associate, Kahn, Swick, & Foti; North Canton, Ohio
>> 
>> Kyra Sweeney, Staff Attorney, Health Law Advocates; Boston, Massachusetts
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 2:05 PM    FIGHTING FOR DEMOCRACY: ACCESS FOR VOTERS WITH DISABILITIES
>> 
>> Moderator: Eve Hill, General Counsel, NFB and Partner, Brown Goldstein &
>> Levy; Baltimore, Maryland
>> 
>> Norma Crosby, NFB Treasurer; President, NFB of Texas; Alvin, Texas
>> 
>> Tracy Soforenko, NFB Board Member; President, NFB of Virginia; Arlington,
>> Virginia
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 2:40 PM    ABLE ACCOUNTS: WHAT LAWYERS NEED TO KNOW
>> 
>> John Finch, Director, ABLE United; Tallahassee, Florida
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 3:10 PM    BREAK
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 3:20 PM    ADVANCING THE RIGHTS OF THE BLIND AND OTHERS WITH DISABILITIES:
>> A Survey of NFB Litigation
>> 
>> Eve Hill, General Counsel, NFB; Partner, Brown Goldstein & Levy; Baltimore,
>> Maryland
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 3:50 PM    BE COUNTED: LAWYERS WITH DISABILITIES IN THE LEGAL PROFESSION
>> 
>> Ronza Othman, President, National Association of Blind Lawyers; Advisor, ABA
>> Commission on Disability; Baltimore, Maryland
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 4:00 PM    NON-TRADITIONAL CAREERS FOR LAWYERS
>> 
>> Patti Chang, Director of Outreach, NFB; Chicago, Illinois
>> 
>> Greg Trapp, Executive Director, New Mexico Commission for the Blind;
>> Albuquerque, New Mexico
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 4:20 PM    ANNUAL BUSINESS MEETING
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 4:30 PM    ADJOURN TO RECEPTION
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Join us for cocktails and hors d'oeuvres in Salon 6 as we celebrate the
>> progress of our organization.  Network and meet your fellow blind attorneys
>> and legal professionals.  We thank Jackson Walker LLP for sponsoring our
>> annual meeting and networking reception!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Ronza Othman, President
>> 
>> National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
>> 
>> 443-426-4110
>> 
>> Pronouns: she, her, hers
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The National Federation of the Blind of Maryland knows that blindness is not
>> the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
>> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
>> between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
>> blindness is not what holds you back
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw:
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>> 
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From jtfetter at yahoo.com  Thu Jul  4 00:56:24 2024
From: jtfetter at yahoo.com (James Fetter)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2024 20:56:24 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] NABL 2024 Annual Meeting Information, Registration,
 Dues, and Agenda
In-Reply-To: <99CE7923-E4C2-4C6C-AFC7-BB2B1471891A@gmail.com>
References: <99CE7923-E4C2-4C6C-AFC7-BB2B1471891A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C8DC5EE8-EDCE-4E42-9075-8B0569A3C9F3@yahoo.com>

Thanks, Tai! What all did you have to do to report and get hours for this meeting? I have only ever done CLEs that were pre authorized in my jurisdiction, and the last time i attended the NABL meeting, the only jurisdiction I had to worry about was  Maryland, which has no CLE requirements. Thanks in advance for whatever help you can provide! 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 3, 2024, at 7:23 PM, Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> The jurisdictions in which I have reported have not allowed me to include introductory  remarks or time during breaks. This is why I said three hours (180 minutes) rather than 210 minutes. Your mileage may vary.
> Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.
> Email: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com
> Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical errors.
> 
>> On Jul 3, 2024, at 6:16 PM, Ronza Othman via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> 210 minutes, and you would request the CLEs directly from your jurisdiction.
>> 
>> Ronza Othman, President
>> National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
>> 443-426-4110
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Jul 3, 2024, at 5:32 PM, James T. Fetter via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Apologies for the last-minute question, but how many CLE hours can attendees obtain, and for which states? Thanks!
>>>>  On Tuesday, June 25, 2024 at 05:04:58 PM EDT, Ronza Othman via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:  
>>> 
>>> Please join the National Association of Blind Lawyers for our 2024 Annual
>>> Meeting on July 5, 2024 from 1 - 6:30PM Eastern Time, including our
>>> networking reception.  Attendees may join in person at the Rosen Center
>>> Hotel, Salon 9, or via the Zoom link on the agenda.  Continuing Legal
>>> Education credit is only available for in-person attendees.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Networking Reception will take place in Salon 6, and only those with
>>> tickets may participate.  Those who register for the Annual Meeting will
>>> receive a ticket to the Networking Reception.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The agenda is pasted below, attached, and available online at
>>> https://blindlawyers.net.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Register today online by visiting
>>> 
>>> https://blindlawyers.net
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> You can also register in person at the meeting.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Below is the price list:
>>> 
>>> *    Regular Annual Meeting Registration and Dues: $26 (Those paying with
>>> cash will receive a $1 discount)
>>> *    Student Annual Registration and Dues: $6 (Those paying with cash
>>> will receive a $1 discount)
>>> *    CLE Materials: $26 (Those paying with cash will receive a $1
>>> discount)
>>> *    Regular Registration, Dues, and CLE Bundle: $52 (Those paying with
>>> cash will receive a $2 discount)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Please note: Continuing Legal Education credit will be available for
>>> in-person attendees only.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> AGENDA
>>> 
>>> NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND LAWYERS
>>> 
>>> 2024 ANNUAL MEETING
>>> 
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> -----
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Friday, July 5, 2024
>>> 
>>> Salon 9
>>> 
>>> Rosen Center Hotel
>>> 
>>> Orlando, Florida
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Join Zoom Meeting
>>> 
>>> 
>>> <https://nfb-org.zoom.us/j/93787091548?pwd=PaRfHfb0cdV1vzb6wzxJXKNJaqMfLl.1>
>>> https://nfb-org.zoom.us/j/93787091548?pwd=PaRfHfb0cdV1vzb6wzxJXKNJaqMfLl.1
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Note:  This meeting is taking place in U.S. Eastern Time.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 1:00 PM    WELCOME, LOGISTICS, & INTRODUCTIONS
>>> 
>>> Ronza Othman, President, NABL; Baltimore, Maryland
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 1:20 PM    CHANGES COMING TO THE LSAT & BAR EXAM
>>> 
>>> Sanho Steele-Louchart, Attorney and Legal Program Coordinator, NFB; Battle
>>> Creek, Michigan
>>> 
>>> Denise Avant, Governor, American Bar Association Board of Governors;
>>> Chicago, Illinois
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 1:35 PM    THE LAW SCHOOL EXPERIENCE: BEYOND THE LECTURE HALL
>>> 
>>> Moderator: Elizabeth Rouse, Board Member, NABL; Durant, Iowa
>>> 
>>> Rose Warner, Rising 4L, University of Denver Sturm College of Law; Denver,
>>> Colorado
>>> 
>>> Julie A. Orozco, JD, Intern, Neighborhood Legal Services Program of
>>> Washington, DC; Arlington, Virginia
>>> 
>>> James Fetter, Associate, Kahn, Swick, & Foti; North Canton, Ohio
>>> 
>>> Kyra Sweeney, Staff Attorney, Health Law Advocates; Boston, Massachusetts
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 2:05 PM    FIGHTING FOR DEMOCRACY: ACCESS FOR VOTERS WITH DISABILITIES
>>> 
>>> Moderator: Eve Hill, General Counsel, NFB and Partner, Brown Goldstein &
>>> Levy; Baltimore, Maryland
>>> 
>>> Norma Crosby, NFB Treasurer; President, NFB of Texas; Alvin, Texas
>>> 
>>> Tracy Soforenko, NFB Board Member; President, NFB of Virginia; Arlington,
>>> Virginia
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 2:40 PM    ABLE ACCOUNTS: WHAT LAWYERS NEED TO KNOW
>>> 
>>> John Finch, Director, ABLE United; Tallahassee, Florida
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 3:10 PM    BREAK
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 3:20 PM    ADVANCING THE RIGHTS OF THE BLIND AND OTHERS WITH DISABILITIES:
>>> A Survey of NFB Litigation
>>> 
>>> Eve Hill, General Counsel, NFB; Partner, Brown Goldstein & Levy; Baltimore,
>>> Maryland
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 3:50 PM    BE COUNTED: LAWYERS WITH DISABILITIES IN THE LEGAL PROFESSION
>>> 
>>> Ronza Othman, President, National Association of Blind Lawyers; Advisor, ABA
>>> Commission on Disability; Baltimore, Maryland
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 4:00 PM    NON-TRADITIONAL CAREERS FOR LAWYERS
>>> 
>>> Patti Chang, Director of Outreach, NFB; Chicago, Illinois
>>> 
>>> Greg Trapp, Executive Director, New Mexico Commission for the Blind;
>>> Albuquerque, New Mexico
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 4:20 PM    ANNUAL BUSINESS MEETING
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 4:30 PM    ADJOURN TO RECEPTION
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Join us for cocktails and hors d'oeuvres in Salon 6 as we celebrate the
>>> progress of our organization.  Network and meet your fellow blind attorneys
>>> and legal professionals.  We thank Jackson Walker LLP for sponsoring our
>>> annual meeting and networking reception!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Ronza Othman, President
>>> 
>>> National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
>>> 
>>> 443-426-4110
>>> 
>>> Pronouns: she, her, hers
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The National Federation of the Blind of Maryland knows that blindness is not
>>> the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
>>> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
>>> between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
>>> blindness is not what holds you back
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> BlindLaw mailing list
>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jtfetter%40yahoo.com
>>> 
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From christophergbell at comcast.net  Thu Jul  4 15:12:46 2024
From: christophergbell at comcast.net (christophergbell at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2024 11:12:46 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] Disability Rights and Public Health laws Put at Risk by
 Recent Supreme Court Decisions
Message-ID: <00186A05-8F9D-4D72-85E4-AFE4F270BF02@comcast.net>

Public Health Laws at Risk as Supreme Court Curtails Power of Federal Agencies
https://medicareadvocacy.org/public-health-laws-at-risk/

Chris Bell, JD

Member, Board of Directors
American Council of the Blind
(612) 859-4938


From oduncan821 at gmail.com  Thu Jul  4 15:19:35 2024
From: oduncan821 at gmail.com (omar duncan)
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2024 08:19:35 -0700
Subject: [blindLaw] Disability Rights and Public Health laws Put at Risk
 by Recent Supreme Court Decisions
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I ain’t no lawyer but I do have a basic legal understanding from undergrad
years and did a good amount of reading on it about chevron deference


I think it just means that congress has to pass those public safety laws
directly or the courts rule it to be the case through presentment if the
case relates to such a matter is adjudicated by the court.

It simply means that federal bureaucracy can’t make their own
interpretations on existing laws and that they have less discretion


I do not think that is exclusively a bad thing or a good thing.


Perhaps it is both depending on the situation.

There are some matters like public health where it may be ideal for federal
agencies to do agency imposed regulations.

By contrast, in some situation, we might be dealing with government
overreach or situations where salaried, unelected bureaucrats have too much
control instead of congress.


At the end of the day, the constitution enumerates that congress passes
laws and that the federal agencies and president just enforce at the end of
the day.



On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 8:14 AM christophergbell--- via BlindLaw <
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> Public Health Laws at Risk as Supreme Court Curtails Power of Federal
> Agencies
> https://medicareadvocacy.org/public-health-laws-at-risk/
>
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>
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From christophergbell at comcast.net  Thu Jul  4 18:24:15 2024
From: christophergbell at comcast.net (christophergbell at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2024 14:24:15 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] Disability Rights and Public Health laws Put at Risk
 by Recent Supreme Court Decisions
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Hi, Omar,
>From the perspective of basic civics, I agree with you.  But, I submit that the reality is more complicated and nuanced.
Even before the 1982 Chevron decision, Congress has relied on federal agencies to fill in the statutory gaps and sometimes those gaps are as wide as the Grand Canyon.  Take, for example, the regulations issued by HEW in 1977 to implement Section 504.  Section 504 itself was only 37 words long.  It was left to HEW to give meaning to the concept of "discrimination" in the context of individuals with disabilities.  Much discrimination law at the time focused on bias and intent.  Obviously, such a principle would not remove many of the barriers to participation in employment, etc., without the "program access", "reasonable modification of policies and procedures", the "provision of auxiliary aids and services, and similar requirements. Those standards did not exist in statutory law.  Because Congress has had 47 years to markedly change Section 504, one might think that those regulations are or should be safe from a facial challenge.  However, I think the recent Supreme Court makes just such a challenge very possible, and even likely. And, then there is the all important matter of web accessibility.  What will become of the recent DOJ Title II regulation requiring web and App accessibility. Would a conservative judiciary find those regulations valid under a 1990 statute passed before the internet existed?  I have my doubts.
While it is true that bureaucrats are unelected, so are federal judges (although they are appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate).  More importantly, the "notice and comment "regulatory process makes it possible  for an agency to hear very critical, factual comments about the impact of the NPRM.  No federal judge will receive that degree of input via briefs of the parties unless there is a lot of amici participation. Finally, I don't see much guidance in the Loper Bright Enterprises decision  to guide the federal judiciary.  I think the Supreme Court has opened the door for a long period of judicial chaos.  When legal standards are finally settled by Supreme Court and Circuit court cases, I fear the disability community will be far worse off than we are now. 

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I ain’t no lawyer but I do have a basic legal understanding from undergrad years and did a good amount of reading on it about chevron deference


I think it just means that congress has to pass those public safety laws directly or the courts rule it to be the case through presentment if the case relates to such a matter is adjudicated by the court.

It simply means that federal bureaucracy can’t make their own interpretations on existing laws and that they have less discretion


I do not think that is exclusively a bad thing or a good thing.


Perhaps it is both depending on the situation.

There are some matters like public health where it may be ideal for federal agencies to do agency imposed regulations.

By contrast, in some situation, we might be dealing with government overreach or situations where salaried, unelected bureaucrats have too much control instead of congress.


At the end of the day, the constitution enumerates that congress passes laws and that the federal agencies and president just enforce at the end of the day.



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> Public Health Laws at Risk as Supreme Court Curtails Power of Federal 
> Agencies https://medicareadvocacy.org/public-health-laws-at-risk/
>
> Chris Bell, JD
>
> Member, Board of Directors
> American Council of the Blind
> (612) 859-4938
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From oduncan821 at gmail.com  Fri Jul  5 04:29:22 2024
From: oduncan821 at gmail.com (omar duncan)
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2024 21:29:22 -0700
Subject: [blindLaw] Reading long court cases in law school.
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Hi I know law school classes usually require reading long case reviews and
analysis dozens of pages.

For those kinds of assignments that involve reading and reviewing cases for
class discussion (and does not involve memorization of concepts and
terminology), how can one best deploy and optimize text to speech like jaws
or kurzweil to be efficient  with that super dense  reading.





Best,

From oduncan821 at gmail.com  Sun Jul  7 03:20:34 2024
From: oduncan821 at gmail.com (omar duncan)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2024 20:20:34 -0700
Subject: [blindLaw] Current or recent law school experience
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Hi based on current or previous law  school experience

When it comes to reading and scrolling through loads and loads of dense
reading on cases that you have discussions about in class, what  is the
fastest text to speech method to go
About that?


Is kurzweil 1000 or 3000 or open book used by you all.

Or using jaws or zoomtext  and uploading the reading material on FS reader
to be read through daisy files?


Or do you guys load the reading and books on a pdf software like Adobe  or
some other reading system provided by these visually impaired softwares to
read and have it be read to you?

Or do you all use a combination of some vision with text speech AS A
COMBINATION like text to speech with a CCTV?

Thanks,
Brian

From maurakutnyak at gmail.com  Sun Jul  7 12:35:57 2024
From: maurakutnyak at gmail.com (Maura Kutnyak)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2024 08:35:57 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] Current or recent law school experience
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Hi Brian,

I suspect that the best means to increasing a persons speed with reading, understanding, and navigating legal textbooks is a combination of practice and flexibility. And for Blind law students, you can add the need for knowledge of assistive tech, plus strong assistive technical support.

I graduated from law school in May 23. My techniques evolved a lot from day- one to the end. One approach I took was to gradually increase JAWS’s speaking rate a little bit overtime. That allowed me to acclimate to the increasing speed naturally and with ease. I turned it up maybe once every couple of months and that worked well.

In addition to JAWS, I used Kindle and sometimes adobe to read books. The format of the book, and software that I used to interface with it, largely depended on the publishers, how they made the books available, and the length of the book.

My favorite method was to convert PDFs to Word. That wasn’t always possible because many of the Law school texts were too long. But it was great when I could do that. That would allow me to take notes directly in the body of the book, and Use headings as place markers. In Word, you can make a list of all the headings, by pressing insert F6 inward while using jaws, and quickly jump around. I often would make case names  into a heading. I would also copy and paste quotes from the cases I was reading for a given class into my outline , which was really nice for studying/prepping for exams. 

When  time was really tight, I would skip the meandering reasoning and focus on understanding the rule, the procedural history, and other essential elements of the case. That got easier with practice.  the cases you’ll read are authored by a variety of judges, and therefore adhere to a variety of styles, There are consistent cues You can use to find what you need more quickly.

Take good care.
Warmly,

Maura Kutnyak Esq.
716-563-9882

> On Jul 6, 2024, at 11:22 PM, omar duncan via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi based on current or previous law  school experience
> 
> When it comes to reading and scrolling through loads and loads of dense
> reading on cases that you have discussions about in class, what  is the
> fastest text to speech method to go
> About that?
> 
> 
> Is kurzweil 1000 or 3000 or open book used by you all.
> 
> Or using jaws or zoomtext  and uploading the reading material on FS reader
> to be read through daisy files?
> 
> 
> Or do you guys load the reading and books on a pdf software like Adobe  or
> some other reading system provided by these visually impaired softwares to
> read and have it be read to you?
> 
> Or do you all use a combination of some vision with text speech AS A
> COMBINATION like text to speech with a CCTV?
> 
> Thanks,
> Brian
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From christinebusanelli at gmail.com  Sun Jul  7 13:16:38 2024
From: christinebusanelli at gmail.com (Christine B)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2024 08:16:38 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Current or recent law school experience
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I did utilize Kurzweil 3000 but I believe my school needed lead time for
that and our professors weren’t giving book lists far enough in advance, so
that was putting undue stress on students with vision disabilities. I
finally gave up on that assist as a result.

I graduated in 2021, and thinking back now about trying to navigate law
school and the bar and the MPRE with a vision disability and all the
roadblocks and hurdles I encountered from the Deans at the school (UIC
Law), NCBE and Pierson Vue, gives me great anxiety and sadness. It’s
honestly a miracle I am a licensed attorney today given all those who tried
to make it impossible for me.

For anyone experiencing similar roadblocks with the NCBE and Pierson Vue,
the US Department of Justice is conducting an investigation. Please contact
Justin.page2 at usdoj.gov if you have been unfairly treated regarding
disability accommodations for the bar and/or the MPRE. Please spread the
word also.







On Sat, Jul 6, 2024 at 10:21 PM omar duncan via BlindLaw <
blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi based on current or previous law  school experience
>
> When it comes to reading and scrolling through loads and loads of dense
> reading on cases that you have discussions about in class, what  is the
> fastest text to speech method to go
> About that?
>
>
> Is kurzweil 1000 or 3000 or open book used by you all.
>
> Or using jaws or zoomtext  and uploading the reading material on FS reader
> to be read through daisy files?
>
>
> Or do you guys load the reading and books on a pdf software like Adobe  or
> some other reading system provided by these visually impaired softwares to
> read and have it be read to you?
>
> Or do you all use a combination of some vision with text speech AS A
> COMBINATION like text to speech with a CCTV?
>
> Thanks,
> Brian
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From ThomasDukeman at outlook.com  Sat Jul 13 22:13:27 2024
From: ThomasDukeman at outlook.com (Thomas Dukeman)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2024 22:13:27 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Major LSAT Changes
Message-ID: <BYAPR12MB27121B1C9540F42B775CB1C1ADA72@BYAPR12MB2712.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Hello!

I was at this year's NABL meeting during the Orland Convention and I recall talking to someone about putting up notes on  the list serv in regards to the person who spoke about changes to the LSAT for I think the next 3 - 4 years? I was wondering if anyone has any idea on what changes are coming to LSAT testing for those of us getting ready to or look at getting ready for LSAT can please share them.

Thank you
Thomas Dukeman

From oduncan821 at gmail.com  Sat Jul 13 22:20:20 2024
From: oduncan821 at gmail.com (omar duncan)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2024 15:20:20 -0700
Subject: [blindLaw] Major LSAT Changes
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We gotta see how the august administration turns out and average  gets
scores among people before we enter the territory of making some
predictions  about  what could happen.


All we know now is that logic games is scrapped and that writing sample
will turn into an argumentative.

Let’s be honest the writing sample is a latest supposed to be
argumentative. They encourage writing a concession paragraph  and knocking
the opposing point so it already is argumentative.


Also, real quick has anyone here had the experiment section removed with
their accommodations before?



We’ll see what happens, everybody. Remains to be seen.

One thing I know though is that average scores will be reduced.

Thanks,
Brian

On Sat, Jul 13, 2024 at 3:14 PM Thomas Dukeman via BlindLaw <
blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hello!
>
> I was at this year's NABL meeting during the Orland Convention and I
> recall talking to someone about putting up notes on  the list serv in
> regards to the person who spoke about changes to the LSAT for I think the
> next 3 - 4 years? I was wondering if anyone has any idea on what changes
> are coming to LSAT testing for those of us getting ready to or look at
> getting ready for LSAT can please share them.
>
> Thank you
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From rothmanjd at gmail.com  Mon Jul 15 00:54:43 2024
From: rothmanjd at gmail.com (rothmanjd at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2024 20:54:43 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] Major LSAT Changes
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Hi Folks,
Sanho will be posting his notes soon.  He's just recovering from convention.

The biggest changes in LSAT is that the logic games will go away in a few
months.  They will be replaced with another reasoning section.  There are
also questions that'll be asked that are not scored at the end of the exam
so LSAC can test out future questions.


Ronza Othman, President
National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
443-426-4110
Pronouns: she, her, hers

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Hello!

I was at this year's NABL meeting during the Orland Convention and I recall
talking to someone about putting up notes on  the list serv in regards to
the person who spoke about changes to the LSAT for I think the next 3 - 4
years? I was wondering if anyone has any idea on what changes are coming to
LSAT testing for those of us getting ready to or look at getting ready for
LSAT can please share them.

Thank you
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From oduncan821 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 15 01:00:59 2024
From: oduncan821 at gmail.com (omar duncan)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2024 18:00:59 -0700
Subject: [blindLaw] Major LSAT Changes
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Can there be an accommodation to remove the experimental section?


And will the experimental questions be in its own section or a few question
interspersed within the graded section?

If the already in effect experimental section that currently exists, are
you referring that  the experimental section that is unscored  will be in
the last section?


Thanks,
On Sun, Jul 14, 2024 at 5:56 PM Ronza Othman via BlindLaw <
blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi Folks,
> Sanho will be posting his notes soon.  He's just recovering from
> convention.
>
> The biggest changes in LSAT is that the logic games will go away in a few
> months.  They will be replaced with another reasoning section.  There are
> also questions that'll be asked that are not scored at the end of the exam
> so LSAC can test out future questions.
>
>
> Ronza Othman, President
> National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
> 443-426-4110
> Pronouns: she, her, hers
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> via
> BlindLaw
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> Subject: [blindLaw] Major LSAT Changes
>
> Hello!
>
> I was at this year's NABL meeting during the Orland Convention and I recall
> talking to someone about putting up notes on  the list serv in regards to
> the person who spoke about changes to the LSAT for I think the next 3 - 4
> years? I was wondering if anyone has any idea on what changes are coming to
> LSAT testing for those of us getting ready to or look at getting ready for
> LSAT can please share them.
>
> Thank you
> Thomas Dukeman
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From rothmanjd at gmail.com  Mon Jul 15 02:38:00 2024
From: rothmanjd at gmail.com (rothmanjd at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2024 22:38:00 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] Major LSAT Changes
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My understanding is that people can request that the experimental section be removed as a reasonable accommodation.  It is a stand-alone section that will follow either the reasoning or the reading comprehension format, but you won't know which until the exam.  It is a stand-alone section.


Ronza Othman, President
National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
443-426-4110
Pronouns: she, her, hers

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Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Major LSAT Changes

Can there be an accommodation to remove the experimental section?


And will the experimental questions be in its own section or a few question interspersed within the graded section?

If the already in effect experimental section that currently exists, are you referring that  the experimental section that is unscored  will be in the last section?


Thanks,
On Sun, Jul 14, 2024 at 5:56 PM Ronza Othman via BlindLaw < blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi Folks,
> Sanho will be posting his notes soon.  He's just recovering from 
> convention.
>
> The biggest changes in LSAT is that the logic games will go away in a 
> few months.  They will be replaced with another reasoning section.  
> There are also questions that'll be asked that are not scored at the 
> end of the exam so LSAC can test out future questions.
>
>
> Ronza Othman, President
> National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
> 443-426-4110
> Pronouns: she, her, hers
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Thomas 
> Dukeman via BlindLaw
> Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2024 6:13 PM
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> Subject: [blindLaw] Major LSAT Changes
>
> Hello!
>
> I was at this year's NABL meeting during the Orland Convention and I 
> recall talking to someone about putting up notes on  the list serv in 
> regards to the person who spoke about changes to the LSAT for I think 
> the next 3 - 4 years? I was wondering if anyone has any idea on what 
> changes are coming to LSAT testing for those of us getting ready to or 
> look at getting ready for LSAT can please share them.
>
> Thank you
> Thomas Dukeman
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From natasha.ishaq2001 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 16 18:05:33 2024
From: natasha.ishaq2001 at gmail.com (Natasha Ishaq)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2024 14:05:33 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] Immigration Law & Judges
Message-ID: <CAPi4z4EUrZQ_MN_iNc3KiL8fjpjGYLf5F-sUVy1EDsLjjw8jMQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

I am looking to connect with an immigration attorney or anyone well versed
in immigration law and procedure. I have a close family member who is
looking to sponsor a future spouse from another country and we would like
to speak with experts in the field to learn more about the process.

Additionally, I am also looking to connect with a blind state or federal
judge, as I am considering going down this career path and would love to
learn more.

I can be reached via email at natasha.ishaq2001 at gmail.com or text/call at
609-917-8236.

Thank you!

Best,
Natasha Ishaq

From oduncan821 at gmail.com  Wed Jul 17 18:10:49 2024
From: oduncan821 at gmail.com (omar duncan)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2024 11:10:49 -0700
Subject: [blindLaw] =?utf-8?q?DEI_=28diversity=2C_equity_and_inclusion=29?=
	=?utf-8?q?_and_affirmative_action_=E2=80=94_why_don=E2=80=99t_thes?=
	=?utf-8?q?e_things_benefit_disabled_people_who_needed_the_most_as_?=
	=?utf-8?q?much_as_it_does_the_other_groups_that_are_on_top_and_don?=
	=?utf-8?q?=E2=80=99t_really_need_it=2C_or_deserve_it?=
Message-ID: <CAO+t8U2DYybKAa8xjPD2KWO-q3rZ6CTFL+YOPENoPPm9w4sOCw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi is anyone able to explain why the institution of Affirmative action and
all of this stuff pertaining to affirmative action like dei (diversity,
equity and inclusion) have a pyramid that is completely
Reversed in terms
Of who is on the top and prioritized  over other  so called protected
classes?


As I see  it, groups  that are protected and on the top of the pyramid that
in this day  and age don’t really have a legitimate claim to the pyramid
 because they are doing better socio economically or are not really
affected in this day and age due to changing social and political landscape
take precedence  over  people who have  who have disabilities, and we have
the skills knowledge and ability to the job well but not  the opportunity
—the main reason for affirmative action creation .


To be exact, the top of the pyramid would be gender (like women) and then
racial minorities —or the main beneficiaries.

To keep things short, I will ask this:

when we as disabled people
Or visually impaired , to be exact, are deprived  of  opportunities the
most compared to these other  groups like women and racial groups like
— and we alls stand to benefit more from affirmative action protocols and
are on the bottom of the food chain and underrepresented and not given
adequate opportunity despite having the skill and need opportunities the
most, how come society makes these groups like  at the top of the list as
the main beneficiaries of this institution.


For context, I can cite the specific groups on top of us in the list of
beneficiaries but  I assume everyone in  here is self aware to the extent
they can recognize what groups are places on top of us that do not need
these opportunities afforded by affirmative action, let alone deserve them.



For context again, merit is importantly  at the end of the day and ideology
should not be place so we the ability to the job or task—however, when
people like us have the experience , the hunger to do work, and the
schooling and losses the merit , we are not given adequate opportunities or
opportunities at all and that is what must change.

This is important stuff and collective action on this can really change
live for us.

From Robert.Fenton at cnib.ca  Wed Jul 17 19:06:13 2024
From: Robert.Fenton at cnib.ca (Robert Fenton)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2024 19:06:13 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] 
 =?windows-1252?q?DEI_=28diversity=2C_equity_and_inclu?=
 =?windows-1252?q?sion=29_and_affirmative_action_=97_why_don=92t_these_thi?=
 =?windows-1252?q?ngs_benefit_disabled_people_who_needed_the_most_as_much_?=
 =?windows-1252?q?as_it_does_the_other_groups_that_are_on_top_and_don=92t_?=
 =?windows-1252?q?really_need_it=2C_or_deserve_it?=
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Message-ID: <YQBPR0101MB97264D46CACCEAEFF6C5EE8BFAA32@YQBPR0101MB9726.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Omar:

I would be cautious about saying whether one group needs or deserves equity or not. All of the groups who are identified in the traditional diversity, equity and inclusion landscape have been disadvantaged at least to some extent. Rather than taking gains away from one or more groups who have benefitted more than others from among the disadvantaged groups, we would do better if we advocated for others at the bottom of your pyramid to receive the same advantages as those at the top. It is better to call people in when we can, rather than calling people out when we receive poor treatment.

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Hi is anyone able to explain why the institution of Affirmative action and all of this stuff pertaining to affirmative action like dei (diversity, equity and inclusion) have a pyramid that is completely Reversed in terms Of who is on the top and prioritized  over other  so called protected classes?


As I see  it, groups  that are protected and on the top of the pyramid that in this day  and age don’t really have a legitimate claim to the pyramid  because they are doing better socio economically or are not really affected in this day and age due to changing social and political landscape take precedence  over  people who have  who have disabilities, and we have the skills knowledge and ability to the job well but not  the opportunity —the main reason for affirmative action creation .


To be exact, the top of the pyramid would be gender (like women) and then racial minorities —or the main beneficiaries.

To keep things short, I will ask this:

when we as disabled people
Or visually impaired , to be exact, are deprived  of  opportunities the most compared to these other  groups like women and racial groups like — and we alls stand to benefit more from affirmative action protocols and are on the bottom of the food chain and underrepresented and not given adequate opportunity despite having the skill and need opportunities the most, how come society makes these groups like  at the top of the list as the main beneficiaries of this institution.


For context, I can cite the specific groups on top of us in the list of beneficiaries but  I assume everyone in  here is self aware to the extent they can recognize what groups are places on top of us that do not need these opportunities afforded by affirmative action, let alone deserve them.



For context again, merit is importantly  at the end of the day and ideology should not be place so we the ability to the job or task—however, when people like us have the experience , the hunger to do work, and the schooling and losses the merit , we are not given adequate opportunities or opportunities at all and that is what must change.

This is important stuff and collective action on this can really change live for us.
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From marshall at blindlawyers.org  Sat Jul 20 13:34:15 2024
From: marshall at blindlawyers.org (Scott Marshall)
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2024 13:34:15 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] FW: Judge David Tatel on Vision: A Memoir of Blindness
 and Justice
In-Reply-To: <1141778759272.1109133276899.1081250243.0.470800JL.2002@synd.ccsend.com>
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Although The Judge’s book is available on Audible and other platforms, here is a discussion with Jeffrey Rosen of the National Constitution Center.
Scott


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Subject: Judge David Tatel on Vision: A Memoir of Blindness and Justice

Judge David Tatel joins to discuss his new memoir, experiences on the bench, and overcoming blindness
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He was on Fresh Air from NPR a couple weeks ago also. It was interesting.

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From christophergbell at comcast.net  Sun Jul 21 13:38:38 2024
From: christophergbell at comcast.net (christophergbell at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2024 09:38:38 -0400
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David Tatel also played a pivotal role in disability rights in the Carter Administration.   He was Director of OCR in HEW.  He oversaw the development of the 1977 Section 504 regulations which were drafted by  young John Wodatch.  Mr. Wodatch played a critical role in disability rights  work in the Reagan and Bush Administrations. He was the DOJ point person  during  the ADA’s legislative process and the initial DOJ Title II and III regs.  Best, Chris
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> On Jul 21, 2024, at 12:38 AM, David Andrews via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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From jtfetter at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 21 15:00:46 2024
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Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2024 11:00:46 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] FW: Judge David Tatel on Vision: A Memoir of
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From john.vickers07 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 25 00:32:00 2024
From: john.vickers07 at gmail.com (John Vickers)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2024 18:32:00 -0600
Subject: [blindLaw] GRE exam
Message-ID: <CAN4QUCoH4aUjb_d+gUJmj9DmH6NFBQ59FhwVsf-mMUT225G_mw@mail.gmail.com>

John Vickers

07/24/2024

Greetings

I am planning to sit for the GRE as it has been brought to my attention
that my selected J.D. program that I would like to apply to requires that
applicants either submit GRE or LSAT scores.

Has anyone taken the GRE? What was your experience like?

I am interested in the at-home exam, but I am concerned about accessibility
issues within the interface of the exam.

I appreciate any thoughts on this matter.

Thank you

John

-- 

John Vickers, CRC


*Phone:* (817)929-5231

*E-mail: *John.Vickers07 at gmail.com

From oduncan821 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 25 01:28:23 2024
From: oduncan821 at gmail.com (omar duncan)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2024 18:28:23 -0700
Subject: [blindLaw] GRE exam
In-Reply-To: <CAN4QUCoH4aUjb_d+gUJmj9DmH6NFBQ59FhwVsf-mMUT225G_mw@mail.gmail.com>
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Hey what up John.


I am not an admissions officer.

While they say the GRE is okay, a person who takes GRE when most take lsat
might not make the GRE candidate a comparable candidate and might not be
good.


It could be better to take the LSAT?

Maybe if the law school is middle of the road—it could work. Like a
regional school


But the top notch schools have more candidates with top scores on the
 LSAT—a more predictive test for success in law school. As such, those top
notch schools might prioritize your GRE and, in effect, your applifations.

On Wed, Jul 24, 2024 at 5:33 PM John Vickers via BlindLaw <
blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> John Vickers
>
> 07/24/2024
>
> Greetings
>
> I am planning to sit for the GRE as it has been brought to my attention
> that my selected J.D. program that I would like to apply to requires that
> applicants either submit GRE or LSAT scores.
>
> Has anyone taken the GRE? What was your experience like?
>
> I am interested in the at-home exam, but I am concerned about accessibility
> issues within the interface of the exam.
>
> I appreciate any thoughts on this matter.
>
> Thank you
>
> John
>
> --
>
> John Vickers, CRC
>
>
> *Phone:* (817)929-5231
>
> *E-mail: *John.Vickers07 at gmail.com
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From nssulca at gmail.com  Thu Jul 25 01:31:35 2024
From: nssulca at gmail.com (Natalia Sulca)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2024 21:31:35 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] GRE exam
In-Reply-To: <CAO+t8U18RSCc=JwK4JpW7-xfLGddj=j9fxA-zQQk722fM+kREA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN4QUCoH4aUjb_d+gUJmj9DmH6NFBQ59FhwVsf-mMUT225G_mw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAO+t8U18RSCc=JwK4JpW7-xfLGddj=j9fxA-zQQk722fM+kREA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <012501dade32$635029e0$29f07da0$@gmail.com>

Good evening,
I suggest the LSAT. It is completely accessible and can be taken at home. I have no personal knowledge of the GRE.
Good luck
Natalia 

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: [blindLaw] GRE exam

Hey what up John.


I am not an admissions officer.

While they say the GRE is okay, a person who takes GRE when most take lsat might not make the GRE candidate a comparable candidate and might not be good.


It could be better to take the LSAT?

Maybe if the law school is middle of the road—it could work. Like a regional school


But the top notch schools have more candidates with top scores on the  LSAT—a more predictive test for success in law school. As such, those top notch schools might prioritize your GRE and, in effect, your applifations.

On Wed, Jul 24, 2024 at 5:33 PM John Vickers via BlindLaw < blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> John Vickers
>
> 07/24/2024
>
> Greetings
>
> I am planning to sit for the GRE as it has been brought to my 
> attention that my selected J.D. program that I would like to apply to 
> requires that applicants either submit GRE or LSAT scores.
>
> Has anyone taken the GRE? What was your experience like?
>
> I am interested in the at-home exam, but I am concerned about 
> accessibility issues within the interface of the exam.
>
> I appreciate any thoughts on this matter.
>
> Thank you
>
> John
>
> --
>
> John Vickers, CRC
>
>
> *Phone:* (817)929-5231
>
> *E-mail: *John.Vickers07 at gmail.com
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From oduncan821 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 25 01:33:34 2024
From: oduncan821 at gmail.com (omar duncan)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2024 18:33:34 -0700
Subject: [blindLaw] GRE exam
In-Reply-To: <012501dade32$635029e0$29f07da0$@gmail.com>
References: <CAN4QUCoH4aUjb_d+gUJmj9DmH6NFBQ59FhwVsf-mMUT225G_mw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAO+t8U18RSCc=JwK4JpW7-xfLGddj=j9fxA-zQQk722fM+kREA@mail.gmail.com>
 <012501dade32$635029e0$29f07da0$@gmail.com>
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Ye i forgot that too. It is mostly accessible i suppose and can be taken
from home

On Wed, Jul 24, 2024 at 6:33 PM Natalia Sulca via BlindLaw <
blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Good evening,
> I suggest the LSAT. It is completely accessible and can be taken at home.
> I have no personal knowledge of the GRE.
> Good luck
> Natalia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of omar duncan via
> BlindLaw
> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2024 9:28 PM
> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: omar duncan <oduncan821 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] GRE exam
>
> Hey what up John.
>
>
> I am not an admissions officer.
>
> While they say the GRE is okay, a person who takes GRE when most take lsat
> might not make the GRE candidate a comparable candidate and might not be
> good.
>
>
> It could be better to take the LSAT?
>
> Maybe if the law school is middle of the road—it could work. Like a
> regional school
>
>
> But the top notch schools have more candidates with top scores on the
> LSAT—a more predictive test for success in law school. As such, those top
> notch schools might prioritize your GRE and, in effect, your applifations.
>
> On Wed, Jul 24, 2024 at 5:33 PM John Vickers via BlindLaw <
> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> > John Vickers
> >
> > 07/24/2024
> >
> > Greetings
> >
> > I am planning to sit for the GRE as it has been brought to my
> > attention that my selected J.D. program that I would like to apply to
> > requires that applicants either submit GRE or LSAT scores.
> >
> > Has anyone taken the GRE? What was your experience like?
> >
> > I am interested in the at-home exam, but I am concerned about
> > accessibility issues within the interface of the exam.
> >
> > I appreciate any thoughts on this matter.
> >
> > Thank you
> >
> > John
> >
> > --
> >
> > John Vickers, CRC
> >
> >
> > *Phone:* (817)929-5231
> >
> > *E-mail: *John.Vickers07 at gmail.com
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From rothmanjd at gmail.com  Thu Jul 25 14:27:08 2024
From: rothmanjd at gmail.com (rothmanjd at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2024 10:27:08 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] Casey,
 Colleagues Introduce Bill to Make Federal Technology More
 Accessible for People with Disabilities
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Sharing the below - it's a fantastic bill that some of our members helped
advocate for.

 

 

Ronza Othman, President

National Federation of the Blind of Maryland

443-426-4110

Pronouns: she, her, hers

 

From: Linnehan, Misha (Casey) <Misha_Linnehan at casey.senate.gov
<mailto:Misha_Linnehan at casey.senate.gov> > 
Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2024 10:37 AM
To: Linnehan, Misha (Casey) <Misha_Linnehan at casey.senate.gov
<mailto:Misha_Linnehan at casey.senate.gov> >
Subject: Casey, Colleagues Introduce Bill to Make Federal Technology More
Accessible for People with Disabilities

 



For Immediate Release

July 24, 2024

 

Contact

 <mailto:Misha_Linnehan at casey.senate.gov> Misha Linnehan (Casey):
202-839-7782

Taylor Harvey <mailto:Taylor_Harvey at finance.senate.gov>  (Wyden):
202-224-7909

Charlie Hills <mailto:Charlie_Hills at fetterman.senate.gov>  (Fetterman):
202-228-6099

Celia Olivas <mailto:Celia_Olivas at duckworth.senate.gov>  (Duckworth):
202-228-2661

 

Casey, Colleagues Introduce Bill to Make Federal Technology More Accessible
for People with Disabilities

 

Casey's new Section 508 Refresh Act
<https://www.casey.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/section_508_refresh_act_one_page
r.pdf>  would require federal agencies take several steps to ensure people
with disabilities can use federal technology, including websites

 

While Section 508 of the Rehabilitation Act requires federal technology to
be accessible for people with disabilities, a
<https://www.casey.senate.gov/news/releases/casey-investigation-details-wide
spread-failure-by-federal-government-to-ensure-web-accessibility-for-people-
with-disabilities-older-adults-and-veterans> 2022 Casey investigation found
that agency technology still falls short

 

Casey: "We would not ask someone using a wheelchair to walk up the
courthouse steps, but we are doing something similar when we ask people with
disabilities to use federal website, apps, kiosks, and other technologies
that are not accessible"

 

Washington, D.C. - Today, U.S. Senators Bob Casey (D-PA), Chairman of the
U.S. Senate Special Committee on Aging, Ron Wyden (D-OR), Chairman of the
U.S. Senate Finance Committee, John Fetterman (D-PA), and Tammy Duckworth
(D-IL) introduced the Section 508 Refresh Act
<https://www.casey.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/section_508_refresh_act_one_page
r.pdf> , a new bill that would require federal agencies to take a series of
steps to ensure people with disabilities can use the federal government's
technology. While Section 508 of the Rehabilitation Act requires agencies to
make federal technology accessible, a 2022 Senate Aging Committee
investigation by Chairman Casey found that department and agency technology,
particularly within the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA), is often out of
compliance. In the investigation, Casey showed how these accessibility
failures were creating barriers for people with disabilities who rely on
federal technology for essential services, including health care, employment
services, and Social Security benefits. Casey's new bill will make the first
significant changes to Section 508 since 1998, putting in place a framework
that will hold agencies accountable for accessibility requirements.

 

"The federal government has an obligation to ensure that its services are
accessible to people with disabilities, including its websites and
technology," said Chairman Casey. "We would not ask someone using a
wheelchair to walk up the courthouse steps, but we are doing something
similar when we ask people with disabilities to use federal websites, apps,
kiosks, and other technologies that are not accessible. I'm introducing the
Section 508 Refresh Act to compel federal agencies to make their technology
accessible and ensure people with disabilities are not locked out of
essential government services and resources." 

 

"Technology can't serve as a tool to make life easier if people can't access
it in the first place," said Senator Wyden. "Federal agencies shouldn't be
asking people with disabilities to move mountains in order to participate in
everyday life for matters as basic as employment and health care. The
federal government has a responsibility to serve the public by making sure
that everyone can access and benefit from these technologies." 

 

"It's clear that the federal government is not doing enough to ensure
services are accessible to people with disabilities," said Senator
Fetterman. "People with disabilities deserve better. By updating Section
508, this bill would enact long overdue requirements to ensure people with
disabilities have equitable access to federal government services. I'm proud
to cosponsor it."

 

Congress last made significant changes to Section 508 in 1998, when many
federal agencies were just starting to use the internet, post online
content, and have all government workers use computers. The Section 508
Refresh Act will enact long overdue updates to the law. Specifically, bill
will:

 

*	Require federal departments and agencies to include people with
disabilities who consume government services and information or work as
government employees in the acquisition and accessibility testing of federal
technology.
*	Reform the complaint process for Section 508 and establish a new
process for deciding what federal technology is purchased - with rigorous
accountability requirements for ensuring the technology is accessible. 
*	Mandate regular testing to ensure technology being used by federal
departments and agencies is accessible to federal workers and all Americans
using federal programs and information. 
*	Direct each federal department and agency to appoint qualified,
dedicated Section 508 compliance officers to ensure the technology purchased
and used by their departments and agencies is accessible.

 

Chairman Casey has led the charge to improve the accessibility of government
websites and other technology. In a report issued in December 2022 entitled
<https://www.casey.senate.gov/news/releases/casey-investigation-details-wide
spread-failure-by-federal-government-to-ensure-web-accessibility-for-people-
with-disabilities-older-adults-and-veterans> Unlocking the Virtual Front
Door, Chairman Casey found that inaccessible federal technology creates
barriers for people with disabilities to access essential services,
including VA benefits, health care, employment, Social Security, and more. 

 

In 2020, Chairman Casey passed the
<https://www.casey.senate.gov/news/releases/bipartisan-casey-moran-bill-to-e
nsure-va-website-accessibility-passes-house-goes-to-president-for-signature>
VA Website Accessibility Act that required VA to report on the accessibility
of the Department's websites and kiosks. VA's report to Congress, released
in 2021, found that only 10 percent of VA's websites were fully accessible.
In response, Chairman Casey
<https://www.casey.senate.gov/news/releases/casey-leads-bipartisan-letter-ur
ging-veterans-affairs-to-make-websites-accessible-for-people-with-disabiliti
es> led a bipartisan push for VA to do better. 

 

To further advance accessibility at VA, Chairman Casey last year introduced
the bipartisan
<https://www.casey.senate.gov/news/releases/casey-scott-introduce-bill-to-en
sure-va-services-are-accessible-for-veterans-with-disabilities> Veterans
Accessibility Act, which is supported by 15 veterans service organizations
and disability groups. The legislation would establish a Veterans Advisory
Committee on Equal Access at VA that issues regular reports on VA's
compliance with federal disability laws, including the Americans with
Disabilities Act and the Rehabilitation Act. 

 

Read more about the Section 508 Refresh Act here
<https://www.casey.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/section_508_refresh_act_one_page
r.pdf> .

 

 

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From laurenbishop96 at icloud.com  Thu Jul 25 14:43:30 2024
From: laurenbishop96 at icloud.com (Lauren Bishop)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2024 10:43:30 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] GRE exam
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References: <CAO+t8U0jq5hwCYHYB0b8Y9dSa7Fkdgc24iki=Lnq020mMV1DMw@mail.gmail.com>
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Hello,
I would imagine that the GRE at home test is accessible. The GRE has been computer-based for a long time. I had the opportunity to play around with their interface at an NFB convention several years ago. I found it to work really well. I guess you could just look at the different things that each test test, and do the one that is most suitable for you. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 24, 2024, at 9:35 PM, omar duncan via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Ye i forgot that too. It is mostly accessible i suppose and can be taken
> from home
> 
>> On Wed, Jul 24, 2024 at 6:33 PM Natalia Sulca via BlindLaw <
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Good evening,
>> I suggest the LSAT. It is completely accessible and can be taken at home.
>> I have no personal knowledge of the GRE.
>> Good luck
>> Natalia
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of omar duncan via
>> BlindLaw
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2024 9:28 PM
>> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: omar duncan <oduncan821 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] GRE exam
>> 
>> Hey what up John.
>> 
>> 
>> I am not an admissions officer.
>> 
>> While they say the GRE is okay, a person who takes GRE when most take lsat
>> might not make the GRE candidate a comparable candidate and might not be
>> good.
>> 
>> 
>> It could be better to take the LSAT?
>> 
>> Maybe if the law school is middle of the road—it could work. Like a
>> regional school
>> 
>> 
>> But the top notch schools have more candidates with top scores on the
>> LSAT—a more predictive test for success in law school. As such, those top
>> notch schools might prioritize your GRE and, in effect, your applifations.
>> 
>> On Wed, Jul 24, 2024 at 5:33 PM John Vickers via BlindLaw <
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> John Vickers
>>> 
>>> 07/24/2024
>>> 
>>> Greetings
>>> 
>>> I am planning to sit for the GRE as it has been brought to my
>>> attention that my selected J.D. program that I would like to apply to
>>> requires that applicants either submit GRE or LSAT scores.
>>> 
>>> Has anyone taken the GRE? What was your experience like?
>>> 
>>> I am interested in the at-home exam, but I am concerned about
>>> accessibility issues within the interface of the exam.
>>> 
>>> I appreciate any thoughts on this matter.
>>> 
>>> Thank you
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
>>> --
>>> 
>>> John Vickers, CRC
>>> 
>>> 
>>> *Phone:* (817)929-5231
>>> 
>>> *E-mail: *John.Vickers07 at gmail.com
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From rothmanjd at gmail.com  Thu Jul 25 14:45:21 2024
From: rothmanjd at gmail.com (rothmanjd at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2024 10:45:21 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] FW: Lawyers with Disabilities: Participate in BeCounted
 Campaign
In-Reply-To: <IA0PR12MB7750D151719BB64B0A5C020AF9A92@IA0PR12MB7750.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <IA0PR12MB7750D151719BB64B0A5C020AF9A92@IA0PR12MB7750.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <044701dadea1$46c35bc0$d44a1340$@gmail.com>

 

 

Ronza Othman, President

National Federation of the Blind of Maryland

443-426-4110

Pronouns: she, her, hers

 

From: The Disability Discussion Docket (3D) <3D at MAIL.AMERICANBAR.ORG> On
Behalf Of Amy Allbright
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2024 11:03 AM
To: 3D at MAIL.AMERICANBAR.ORG
Subject: Lawyers with Disabilities: Participate in BeCounted Campaign

 

The ABA Commission on Disability Rights invites you to take part in the
#BeCounted campaign
<https://www.americanbar.org/groups/diversity/disabilityrights/initiatives_a
wards/becounted/>  and express your disability pride. The campaign
encourages lawyers with disabilities across the country to add themselves to
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From jtfetter at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 25 16:26:00 2024
From: jtfetter at yahoo.com (James T. Fetter)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2024 16:26:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [blindLaw] FW: Lawyers with Disabilities: Participate in
 BeCounted Campaign
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 <044701dadea1$46c35bc0$d44a1340$@gmail.com>
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    On Thursday, July 25, 2024 at 09:46:23 AM CDT, Ronza Othman via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:  
 
  

 

Ronza Othman, President

National Federation of the Blind of Maryland

443-426-4110

Pronouns: she, her, hers

 

From: The Disability Discussion Docket (3D) <3D at MAIL.AMERICANBAR.ORG> On
Behalf Of Amy Allbright
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2024 11:03 AM
To: 3D at MAIL.AMERICANBAR.ORG
Subject: Lawyers with Disabilities: Participate in BeCounted Campaign

 

The ABA Commission on Disability Rights invites you to take part in the
#BeCounted campaign
<https://www.americanbar.org/groups/diversity/disabilityrights/initiatives_a
wards/becounted/>  and express your disability pride. The campaign
encourages lawyers with disabilities across the country to add themselves to
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From oduncan821 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 25 22:57:36 2024
From: oduncan821 at gmail.com (omar duncan)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2024 15:57:36 -0700
Subject: [blindLaw] =?utf-8?q?Recording_lectures_in_class=E2=80=94law_sch?=
 =?utf-8?q?ool?=
Message-ID: <CAO+t8U18t+xMuZ1Cw3MnkTGBCU=FOHL=OoCErFsmJm+XNNDWiA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all does anyone have pen recommendations that have recording
capabilities  like a smart pen?


Thanks

From nikki.singh at aya.yale.edu  Fri Jul 26 00:47:41 2024
From: nikki.singh at aya.yale.edu (Nikki Singh)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2024 20:47:41 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] 
	=?utf-8?q?Recording_lectures_in_class=E2=80=94law_sch?=
	=?utf-8?q?ool?=
In-Reply-To: <CAO+t8U18t+xMuZ1Cw3MnkTGBCU=FOHL=OoCErFsmJm+XNNDWiA@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi! I am not sure about a pen, but I would use the Victor Reader Stream. It
can record 8 hours, with fairly decent quality. I mostly ever used it for
short voice memos, like a to-do list. However, I have been happy with how
easy it is to move and transfer files from the Victor to my computer.

More broadly, I would caution you from recording law school lectures.
Unlike college, classroom time in law school is not the place to learn
black letter law but rather to slowly learn that blandly described skill of
thinking like a lawyer, something best done in real-time as opposed to
later, with a non-interactive format, and no sense of healthy tension
without the demand of cold calls. Plus, you will be too busy to listen to
hours of classroom dialog when you already heard it the first time.


Sincerely,

Nikki

On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 6:59 PM omar duncan via BlindLaw <
blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi all does anyone have pen recommendations that have recording
> capabilities  like a smart pen?
>
>
> Thanks
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From nikki.singh at aya.yale.edu  Fri Jul 26 01:03:12 2024
From: nikki.singh at aya.yale.edu (Nikki Singh)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2024 21:03:12 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] Current or recent law school experience
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 <CACYGDrAp98992o4wgit-UMeOoyk-YXYFJ2ZwRyv08uWoPT6uzQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi! I just used JAWS once I had the textbooks converted to Word and/or PDF
files! I note that some law school professors, from either disorganization
or a misplaced sense of proprietorship over the syllabus, cannot or will
not share a book list in advance of the course to permit timely conversion
into an accessible format. It is objectionable, but it will happen, and you
need to handle it. In that case, try to reach out and become friends with
the staff of your law school library. I often had the library tie me over
the first five chapters till the disability office had time to finish its
work. I made sure that when I graduated, I gave that one particular staff
member a nice present for all her diligence and work over the years!



Also, for class, nobody is reading or scrolling through the case. First of
all, the textbooks rarely print the full case, especially Supreme Court
cases whose opinion lengths have ballooned recently. Second, it is not a
good use of time to read the case during an active discussion. You should
prepare a case brief and be ready to engage in the classroom. Many sighted
folks highlight—often to kindergarten level of coloring book fervor—but
drafting your own case brief will be fine.



Sincerely,

Nikki

On Sun, Jul 7, 2024 at 9:18 AM Christine B via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> I did utilize Kurzweil 3000 but I believe my school needed lead time for
> that and our professors weren’t giving book lists far enough in advance, so
> that was putting undue stress on students with vision disabilities. I
> finally gave up on that assist as a result.
>
> I graduated in 2021, and thinking back now about trying to navigate law
> school and the bar and the MPRE with a vision disability and all the
> roadblocks and hurdles I encountered from the Deans at the school (UIC
> Law), NCBE and Pierson Vue, gives me great anxiety and sadness. It’s
> honestly a miracle I am a licensed attorney today given all those who tried
> to make it impossible for me.
>
> For anyone experiencing similar roadblocks with the NCBE and Pierson Vue,
> the US Department of Justice is conducting an investigation. Please contact
> Justin.page2 at usdoj.gov if you have been unfairly treated regarding
> disability accommodations for the bar and/or the MPRE. Please spread the
> word also.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 6, 2024 at 10:21 PM omar duncan via BlindLaw <
> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi based on current or previous law  school experience
> >
> > When it comes to reading and scrolling through loads and loads of dense
> > reading on cases that you have discussions about in class, what  is the
> > fastest text to speech method to go
> > About that?
> >
> >
> > Is kurzweil 1000 or 3000 or open book used by you all.
> >
> > Or using jaws or zoomtext  and uploading the reading material on FS
> reader
> > to be read through daisy files?
> >
> >
> > Or do you guys load the reading and books on a pdf software like Adobe
> or
> > some other reading system provided by these visually impaired softwares
> to
> > read and have it be read to you?
> >
> > Or do you all use a combination of some vision with text speech AS A
> > COMBINATION like text to speech with a CCTV?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Brian
> > _______________________________________________
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From agtolentino at gmail.com  Fri Jul 26 01:10:23 2024
From: agtolentino at gmail.com (Aser Tolentino)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2024 21:10:23 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] 
 =?utf-8?q?Recording_lectures_in_class=E2=80=94law_sch?=
 =?utf-8?q?ool?=
In-Reply-To: <CADv2uYkaHykCxM0Vu0Bk3+Q=ZUYL4a6zi=71q5PRAtBA+ePsBA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADv2uYkaHykCxM0Vu0Bk3+Q=ZUYL4a6zi=71q5PRAtBA+ePsBA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F21303B1-9480-461D-9EBD-56B5331EC6CB@gmail.com>

If you were intent on handwriting notes, I’d consider useingan Apple Pencil with an iPad Pro so you can tie the notes to a recording. I took notes while reading then used a Braille notetaker to review them during lectures.

> On Jul 25, 2024, at 8:49 PM, Nikki Singh via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi! I am not sure about a pen, but I would use the Victor Reader Stream. It
> can record 8 hours, with fairly decent quality. I mostly ever used it for
> short voice memos, like a to-do list. However, I have been happy with how
> easy it is to move and transfer files from the Victor to my computer.
> 
> More broadly, I would caution you from recording law school lectures.
> Unlike college, classroom time in law school is not the place to learn
> black letter law but rather to slowly learn that blandly described skill of
> thinking like a lawyer, something best done in real-time as opposed to
> later, with a non-interactive format, and no sense of healthy tension
> without the demand of cold calls. Plus, you will be too busy to listen to
> hours of classroom dialog when you already heard it the first time.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Nikki
> 
>> On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 6:59 PM omar duncan via BlindLaw <
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all does anyone have pen recommendations that have recording
>> capabilities  like a smart pen?
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks
>> _______________________________________________
>> BlindLaw mailing list
>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> BlindLaw:
>> 
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/nikki.singh%40aya.yale.edu
>> 
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From agtolentino at gmail.com  Fri Jul 26 01:18:38 2024
From: agtolentino at gmail.com (Aser Tolentino)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2024 21:18:38 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] Current or recent law school experience
In-Reply-To: <CADv2uYnT1X9+ptmYH6uP8E8uUDJmhx5dmvre22O=b9VF-wv=Aw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADv2uYnT1X9+ptmYH6uP8E8uUDJmhx5dmvre22O=b9VF-wv=Aw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <513A4476-DBD0-4D4E-B245-C19E03E5BC90@gmail.com>

I used K1000. My school’s bookstore luckily forwarded the book list as soon as it was compiled, so the requests for books to arrive were fairly timely. I used a combination of scanners and paid readers to fill in the gap and was thankful my last name started with a T and I was fairly lucky on the luck of the draw for cold calls. Happily I never had to be the guy skimming Westlaw headnotes while trying not to sound like he was reading.

> On Jul 25, 2024, at 9:07 PM, Nikki Singh via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi! I just used JAWS once I had the textbooks converted to Word and/or PDF
> files! I note that some law school professors, from either disorganization
> or a misplaced sense of proprietorship over the syllabus, cannot or will
> not share a book list in advance of the course to permit timely conversion
> into an accessible format. It is objectionable, but it will happen, and you
> need to handle it. In that case, try to reach out and become friends with
> the staff of your law school library. I often had the library tie me over
> the first five chapters till the disability office had time to finish its
> work. I made sure that when I graduated, I gave that one particular staff
> member a nice present for all her diligence and work over the years!
> 
> 
> 
> Also, for class, nobody is reading or scrolling through the case. First of
> all, the textbooks rarely print the full case, especially Supreme Court
> cases whose opinion lengths have ballooned recently. Second, it is not a
> good use of time to read the case during an active discussion. You should
> prepare a case brief and be ready to engage in the classroom. Many sighted
> folks highlight—often to kindergarten level of coloring book fervor—but
> drafting your own case brief will be fine.
> 
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Nikki
> 
>> On Sun, Jul 7, 2024 at 9:18 AM Christine B via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I did utilize Kurzweil 3000 but I believe my school needed lead time for
>> that and our professors weren’t giving book lists far enough in advance, so
>> that was putting undue stress on students with vision disabilities. I
>> finally gave up on that assist as a result.
>> 
>> I graduated in 2021, and thinking back now about trying to navigate law
>> school and the bar and the MPRE with a vision disability and all the
>> roadblocks and hurdles I encountered from the Deans at the school (UIC
>> Law), NCBE and Pierson Vue, gives me great anxiety and sadness. It’s
>> honestly a miracle I am a licensed attorney today given all those who tried
>> to make it impossible for me.
>> 
>> For anyone experiencing similar roadblocks with the NCBE and Pierson Vue,
>> the US Department of Justice is conducting an investigation. Please contact
>> Justin.page2 at usdoj.gov if you have been unfairly treated regarding
>> disability accommodations for the bar and/or the MPRE. Please spread the
>> word also.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, Jul 6, 2024 at 10:21 PM omar duncan via BlindLaw <
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi based on current or previous law  school experience
>>> 
>>> When it comes to reading and scrolling through loads and loads of dense
>>> reading on cases that you have discussions about in class, what  is the
>>> fastest text to speech method to go
>>> About that?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Is kurzweil 1000 or 3000 or open book used by you all.
>>> 
>>> Or using jaws or zoomtext  and uploading the reading material on FS
>> reader
>>> to be read through daisy files?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Or do you guys load the reading and books on a pdf software like Adobe
>> or
>>> some other reading system provided by these visually impaired softwares
>> to
>>> read and have it be read to you?
>>> 
>>> Or do you all use a combination of some vision with text speech AS A
>>> COMBINATION like text to speech with a CCTV?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Brian
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From nikki.singh at aya.yale.edu  Fri Jul 26 15:02:28 2024
From: nikki.singh at aya.yale.edu (Nikki Singh)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2024 11:02:28 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] Requesting feedback on experience from blind trial
 attorneys
Message-ID: <CADv2uYk5+knqjfLgrF8orAMNGTymhg97iDUzXkX+7Pusqm2NyQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All!

I have a modest call for experiences, thoughts, and anecdotes. A law
student at American, Amanda Bailey, copied here, is writing a paper for
school that considers blindness in the law. One of the aspects she wants to
learn more about is the actual experience direct from blind and visually
impaired trial attorneys: how do you command a courtroom, engage with a
jury (like during a closing argument), evaluate visual evidence (like
photos), assess the credibility or demeanor of a witness (on the stand or
during a deposition)? Amanda would like to talk to people beyond the two
blind attorneys she already knows in person, so I am requesting that if you
have trial advocacy experience, please consider dropping her a quick note
at ab6085a at american.edu or setting up time for an interview or short
call--whatever works with your schedule. Note that the paper is due August
10, so contact by next week would be appreciated, but Amanda can be
flexible!

This is a great topic that has not received much treatment in the academic
space. The research would really benefit from the perspective of actual
blind trial attorneys. Plus, Amanda is super nice and fun, so the interview
should be a good time. If you have any material that you want to share or
if you have any questions, please get in touch! Many thanks!

Sincerely,
Nikki

From marinamrake at gmail.com  Fri Jul 26 17:15:29 2024
From: marinamrake at gmail.com (Marina Rake)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2024 12:15:29 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] GRE exam
In-Reply-To: <775D1201-2D96-4975-9B3C-973DB62BCB2C@icloud.com>
References: <CAO+t8U0jq5hwCYHYB0b8Y9dSa7Fkdgc24iki=Lnq020mMV1DMw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <4F104FF6-3DB5-4436-8774-6B0E14096C17@gmail.com>

Hi John,

I took the GRE in 2022 with testing accommodations in the testing center. It went well using JAWS and extended time. However, I am now studying to take the LSAT as well as it seems that that score will be more competitive for the law schools I am applying to this year. 

Best of luck on any exams you choose to take!

Sincerely,
Marina

> On Jul 25, 2024, at 9:43 AM, Lauren Bishop via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I would imagine that the GRE at home test is accessible. The GRE has been computer-based for a long time. I had the opportunity to play around with their interface at an NFB convention several years ago. I found it to work really well. I guess you could just look at the different things that each test test, and do the one that is most suitable for you. 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 24, 2024, at 9:35 PM, omar duncan via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org <mailto:blindlaw at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>> 
>> Ye i forgot that too. It is mostly accessible i suppose and can be taken
>> from home
>> 
>>> On Wed, Jul 24, 2024 at 6:33 PM Natalia Sulca via BlindLaw <
>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good evening,
>>> I suggest the LSAT. It is completely accessible and can be taken at home.
>>> I have no personal knowledge of the GRE.
>>> Good luck
>>> Natalia
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of omar duncan via
>>> BlindLaw
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2024 9:28 PM
>>> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: omar duncan <oduncan821 at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] GRE exam
>>> 
>>> Hey what up John.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I am not an admissions officer.
>>> 
>>> While they say the GRE is okay, a person who takes GRE when most take lsat
>>> might not make the GRE candidate a comparable candidate and might not be
>>> good.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> It could be better to take the LSAT?
>>> 
>>> Maybe if the law school is middle of the road—it could work. Like a
>>> regional school
>>> 
>>> 
>>> But the top notch schools have more candidates with top scores on the
>>> LSAT—a more predictive test for success in law school. As such, those top
>>> notch schools might prioritize your GRE and, in effect, your applifations.
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jul 24, 2024 at 5:33 PM John Vickers via BlindLaw <
>>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> John Vickers
>>>> 
>>>> 07/24/2024
>>>> 
>>>> Greetings
>>>> 
>>>> I am planning to sit for the GRE as it has been brought to my
>>>> attention that my selected J.D. program that I would like to apply to
>>>> requires that applicants either submit GRE or LSAT scores.
>>>> 
>>>> Has anyone taken the GRE? What was your experience like?
>>>> 
>>>> I am interested in the at-home exam, but I am concerned about
>>>> accessibility issues within the interface of the exam.
>>>> 
>>>> I appreciate any thoughts on this matter.
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you
>>>> 
>>>> John
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> 
>>>> John Vickers, CRC
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> *Phone:* (817)929-5231
>>>> 
>>>> *E-mail: *John.Vickers07 at gmail.com
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From marinamrake at gmail.com  Fri Jul 26 17:57:29 2024
From: marinamrake at gmail.com (Marina Rake)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2024 12:57:29 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Law School Admissions Advising
Message-ID: <99B5FB33-6CF0-48D6-BE97-294CD75842AC@gmail.com>

Hello,

Does anyone have suggestions on utilizing any law school admissions advising services? Or advice on whether those services are helpful during the application process? My undergrad university does not have a pre-law advisor, but since many of the resources through Kaplan, Law School Expert, and some others are pretty expensive, I am trying to figure out if they are worth the investment. Some of the admissions questions I have are:

1. How does the process differ (if at all) from applying to a law school the first time, and then re-applying later? I ask this because I did not get accepted into two programs I applied for a couple years ago but will be trying again. I am also adding a couple of schools to my list this time.
2. When talking with admissions teams at each law school I am interested in, the admissions counselors always say that they cannot give any individualized advice on the application. Where are good places to seek assistance and/or editing of my personal statement and addenda?

Thanks all! Really appreciate any advice here.

Sincerely,
Marina

From paigecmiller6 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 26 18:53:56 2024
From: paigecmiller6 at gmail.com (Paige)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2024 14:53:56 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] Law School Admissions Advising
In-Reply-To: <99B5FB33-6CF0-48D6-BE97-294CD75842AC@gmail.com>
References: <99B5FB33-6CF0-48D6-BE97-294CD75842AC@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <69D09307-9099-43B6-AAFA-06F420E0FDD3@gmail.com>

Hi Marina,

I have experience applying to the same schools during two different admissions cycles. 

I would say the main thing to consider is editing your personal statements and addendums to show how you have grown/gained more experiences because schools may keep things on file throughout multiple years. 

I did not use any admissions services so i can’t speak to that, however, I did have an amazing pre-law advisor, so feel free to ask me any admissions questions :)

Best,

Paige Miller

> On Jul 26, 2024, at 1:59 PM, Marina Rake via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Does anyone have suggestions on utilizing any law school admissions advising services? Or advice on whether those services are helpful during the application process? My undergrad university does not have a pre-law advisor, but since many of the resources through Kaplan, Law School Expert, and some others are pretty expensive, I am trying to figure out if they are worth the investment. Some of the admissions questions I have are:
> 
> 1. How does the process differ (if at all) from applying to a law school the first time, and then re-applying later? I ask this because I did not get accepted into two programs I applied for a couple years ago but will be trying again. I am also adding a couple of schools to my list this time.
> 2. When talking with admissions teams at each law school I am interested in, the admissions counselors always say that they cannot give any individualized advice on the application. Where are good places to seek assistance and/or editing of my personal statement and addenda?
> 
> Thanks all! Really appreciate any advice here.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Marina
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From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu  Fri Jul 26 20:27:57 2024
From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Derek Manners)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2024 16:27:57 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] Law School Admissions Advising
In-Reply-To: <69D09307-9099-43B6-AAFA-06F420E0FDD3@gmail.com>
References: <69D09307-9099-43B6-AAFA-06F420E0FDD3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <627892E8-9299-4CA2-A4E8-D2C6290089FC@jd16.law.harvard.edu>

Between the great people on this listserv, I think you can probably get the same or better advice for free. Happy to chat offline sometime if you have questions or just want some general advice, and happy to review any materials. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 26, 2024, at 2:55 PM, Paige via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Marina,
> 
> I have experience applying to the same schools during two different admissions cycles.
> 
> I would say the main thing to consider is editing your personal statements and addendums to show how you have grown/gained more experiences because schools may keep things on file throughout multiple years.
> 
> I did not use any admissions services so i can’t speak to that, however, I did have an amazing pre-law advisor, so feel free to ask me any admissions questions :)
> 
> Best,
> 
> Paige Miller
> 
>> On Jul 26, 2024, at 1:59 PM, Marina Rake via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> Does anyone have suggestions on utilizing any law school admissions advising services? Or advice on whether those services are helpful during the application process? My undergrad university does not have a pre-law advisor, but since many of the resources through Kaplan, Law School Expert, and some others are pretty expensive, I am trying to figure out if they are worth the investment. Some of the admissions questions I have are:
>> 
>> 1. How does the process differ (if at all) from applying to a law school the first time, and then re-applying later? I ask this because I did not get accepted into two programs I applied for a couple years ago but will be trying again. I am also adding a couple of schools to my list this time.
>> 2. When talking with admissions teams at each law school I am interested in, the admissions counselors always say that they cannot give any individualized advice on the application. Where are good places to seek assistance and/or editing of my personal statement and addenda?
>> 
>> Thanks all! Really appreciate any advice here.
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> Marina
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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Sat Jul 27 16:05:59 2024
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2024 16:05:59 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Justice Department to Publish Final Rule to Improve
 Access to Medical Care for People with Disabilities - DOJ - July 26, 2024
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https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-publish-final-rule-improve-access-medical-care-people-disabilities
Justice Department to Publish Final Rule to Improve Access to Medical Care for People with Disabilities
Office of Public Affairs
DOJ
July 26, 2024

On the 34th anniversary of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA), Attorney General Merrick B. Garland signed a final rule under Title II of the ADA to improve access to medical diagnostic equipment (MDE) for people with disabilities. MDE includes equipment like medical examination tables, weight scales, dental chairs, x-ray machines and mammography machines. Accessible MDE is essential for people with disabilities to have equal access to medical care.
The final rule will soon be available for review on the Federal Register's website at www.federalregister.gov<http://www.federalregister.gov>. A fact sheet that provides information about the final rule will soon be available on ada.gov.
"Thirty-four years after passage of the ADA, people with disabilities should not have to forgo needed medical care due to inaccessible medical diagnostic equipment," said Assistant Attorney General Kristen Clarke of the Civil Rights Division. "This rule marks a significant milestone in our ongoing efforts to ensure that people with disabilities can get the medical treatment they need. Whether you are talking about access to mammograms or access to general OB/GYN services, it is critical that hospitals and doctors' offices provide equipment that is accessible to patients with disabilities."
The rule clarifies how public entities that use MDE, such as hospitals and health care clinics operated by state or local governments, can meet their obligations to ensure accessibility under the ADA. The department has heard from many individuals with disabilities who have been denied basic, critically important health care services because medical providers lacked accessible MDE. For example, patients with disabilities reported receiving only a cursory physical examination in their wheelchair because they could not be transferred to the examination table for a full examination. Other patients reported forgoing basic preventative health care, such as dental examinations and mammograms, because providers did not have accessible MDE.
The rule adopts a technical standard for accessible MDE. The rule also establishes requirements that will help make accessible examination tables and weight scales more available. This will make it easier for people with disabilities - especially people who use wheelchairs - to receive medical care.
For more information on the Civil Rights Division, please visit the department's website at www.justice.gov/crt<http://www.justice.gov/crt>. For inquiries regarding the ADA, please contact the department's toll-free ADA Information Line at 800-514-0301 (voice) or 833-610-1264 (TTY) or visit the ADA website at www.ada.gov<http://www.ada.gov>.



From sbg at sbgaal.com  Sat Jul 27 21:27:34 2024
From: sbg at sbgaal.com (sbg sbgaal.com)
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2024 21:27:34 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Requesting feedback on experience from blind trial
 attorneys
In-Reply-To: <CADv2uYk5+knqjfLgrF8orAMNGTymhg97iDUzXkX+7Pusqm2NyQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADv2uYk5+knqjfLgrF8orAMNGTymhg97iDUzXkX+7Pusqm2NyQ@mail.gmail.com>
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I am blind and I have done some trial work.  Most trial attorneys don't go to trial by themselves whether they are blind or sighted.  I would say for a blind attorney, never go to trial without a sighted 2nd chair.  There are too many visual cues  necessary to a successful voir dire as well as those visual cues given by the jury, judge and the witnesses.  However, a blind attorney will pick up on things missed by our sighted colleagues which are audio cues.  E.G. listening to the words stated more carefully as well as other audio cues like changes perhaps in tone, nervous ticks like tapping etc.  I have a guide dog and I also believe that juries in general love the guide dog and that is a good thing!

Thanks!

Shannon Brady Geihsler

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-----Original Message-----
From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Nikki Singh via BlindLaw
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2024 11:02 AM
To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Nikki Singh <nikki.singh at aya.yale.edu>; ab6085a at american.edu
Subject: [blindLaw] Requesting feedback on experience from blind trial attorneys

Hi All!

I have a modest call for experiences, thoughts, and anecdotes. A law student at American, Amanda Bailey, copied here, is writing a paper for school that considers blindness in the law. One of the aspects she wants to learn more about is the actual experience direct from blind and visually impaired trial attorneys: how do you command a courtroom, engage with a jury (like during a closing argument), evaluate visual evidence (like photos), assess the credibility or demeanor of a witness (on the stand or during a deposition)? Amanda would like to talk to people beyond the two blind attorneys she already knows in person, so I am requesting that if you have trial advocacy experience, please consider dropping her a quick note at ab6085a at american.edu or setting up time for an interview or short call--whatever works with your schedule. Note that the paper is due August 10, so contact by next week would be appreciated, but Amanda can be flexible!

This is a great topic that has not received much treatment in the academic space. The research would really benefit from the perspective of actual blind trial attorneys. Plus, Amanda is super nice and fun, so the interview should be a good time. If you have any material that you want to share or if you have any questions, please get in touch! Many thanks!

Sincerely,
Nikki
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From oduncan821 at gmail.com  Sat Jul 27 21:50:53 2024
From: oduncan821 at gmail.com (omar duncan)
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2024 14:50:53 -0700
Subject: [blindLaw] Law school books on bookshare
Message-ID: <CAO+t8U3gcGccRnC-Cw=4Z1hw12JonEfaFo-p7JAKm1dFGd2JOg@mail.gmail.com>

Hey you all know if bookshare has law school textbooks on it


Have any of you used bookshare
For law school.

Best,

From sanho817 at gmail.com  Sat Jul 27 22:23:52 2024
From: sanho817 at gmail.com (Sanho Steele-Louchart)
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2024 18:23:52 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] Law school books on bookshare
In-Reply-To: <CAO+t8U3gcGccRnC-Cw=4Z1hw12JonEfaFo-p7JAKm1dFGd2JOg@mail.gmail.com>
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Hello, 

Law school courses often, but not always, use an edition so recently published that they're not yet on Bookshare. I believe I found a couple there. Certainly not more. Still, doesn't hurt to check. 

Sanho 

> On Jul 27, 2024, at 5:52 PM, omar duncan via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey you all know if bookshare has law school textbooks on it
> 
> 
> Have any of you used bookshare
> For law school.
> 
> Best,
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From attorneywalker at gmail.com  Mon Jul 29 14:49:40 2024
From: attorneywalker at gmail.com (Carlton Anne Cook Walker)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 10:49:40 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] Law school books on Bookshare
In-Reply-To: <mailman.35.1722168001.3992403.blindlaw_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
References: <mailman.35.1722168001.3992403.blindlaw_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
Message-ID: <CAEjPGkiGtSG-sd+X=RJ2j6NxrmM_URWn+=BZhfHGzO4=XtS5JQ@mail.gmail.com>

Additionally, please note that you may ask Bookshare to add any book to its
collection.

Check out Bookshare's How do I Request A Book? web page
<https://www.bookshare.org/help-and-learning-articles/how-do-i-request-a-book>

That page has a link to the request form (Note: you must sign in to submit
a request.

Wishing you all the best!


Carlton




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From sanho817 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 29 14:54:40 2024
From: sanho817 at gmail.com (Sanho Steele-Louchart)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 10:54:40 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] Law school books on Bookshare
In-Reply-To: <CAEjPGkiGtSG-sd+X=RJ2j6NxrmM_URWn+=BZhfHGzO4=XtS5JQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEjPGkiGtSG-sd+X=RJ2j6NxrmM_URWn+=BZhfHGzO4=XtS5JQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <177C276F-EB32-4E51-9947-AA66DE874B0F@gmail.com>

This is true, but I don't recommend relying on their request a book feature for something time-sensitive. I've seen them add books in days and I've seen it not happen for over a decade. You can review which books have been requested and when on their website for an idea of how long things can take. 

Sanho 

> On Jul 29, 2024, at 10:51 AM, Carlton Anne Cook Walker via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Additionally, please note that you may ask Bookshare to add any book to its
> collection.
> 
> Check out Bookshare's How do I Request A Book? web page
> <https://www.bookshare.org/help-and-learning-articles/how-do-i-request-a-book>
> 
> That page has a link to the request form (Note: you must sign in to submit
> a request.
> 
> Wishing you all the best!
> 
> 
> Carlton
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Carlton Anne Cook Walker
> Attorney at Law
> BEAR--Blindness Education and Advocacy Resources
> 101 Kelly Drive
> Carlisle, PA   17015
> Voice: 717-658-9894
> Twitter: BrailleMom
> 
> 
> *This message is not intended or offered as legal advice. * These materials
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> or the publisher, and you or any other user.  Internet subscribers and
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From john.vickers07 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 29 15:00:48 2024
From: john.vickers07 at gmail.com (John Vickers)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 09:00:48 -0600
Subject: [blindLaw] Thank you
Message-ID: <CAN4QUCpxDu5ONKpJK8j7dwq2-JF=WvxQvhDkemetr3fekUgcjg@mail.gmail.com>

A big thank you to everyone who reached out with their insight on sitting
for the GRE exam.



-- 

John Vickers, CRC


*Phone:* (817)929-5231

*E-mail: *John.Vickers07 at gmail.com

From looking_4truth at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 29 15:58:40 2024
From: looking_4truth at yahoo.com (Josiah Jackson)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 15:58:40 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [blindLaw] Law school books on Bookshare
In-Reply-To: <177C276F-EB32-4E51-9947-AA66DE874B0F@gmail.com>
References: <CAEjPGkiGtSG-sd+X=RJ2j6NxrmM_URWn+=BZhfHGzO4=XtS5JQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <177C276F-EB32-4E51-9947-AA66DE874B0F@gmail.com>
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Omg I had no idea I could request with Bookshare. Thank you very much for that. It will make a huge difference for me going forward.


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Monday, July 29, 2024, 9:56 AM, Sanho Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:

This is true, but I don't recommend relying on their request a book feature for something time-sensitive. I've seen them add books in days and I've seen it not happen for over a decade. You can review which books have been requested and when on their website for an idea of how long things can take. 

Sanho 

> On Jul 29, 2024, at 10:51 AM, Carlton Anne Cook Walker via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Additionally, please note that you may ask Bookshare to add any book to its
> collection.
> 
> Check out Bookshare's How do I Request A Book? web page
> <https://www.bookshare.org/help-and-learning-articles/how-do-i-request-a-book>
> 
> That page has a link to the request form (Note: you must sign in to submit
> a request.
> 
> Wishing you all the best!
> 
> 
> Carlton
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Carlton Anne Cook Walker
> Attorney at Law
> BEAR--Blindness Education and Advocacy Resources
> 101 Kelly Drive
> Carlisle, PA  17015
> Voice: 717-658-9894
> Twitter: BrailleMom
> 
> 
> *This message is not intended or offered as legal advice. * These materials
> have been prepared for educational and information purposes only.  They are
> not legal advice or legal opinions on any specific matters.  Transmission
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From sanho817 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 30 04:52:05 2024
From: sanho817 at gmail.com (Sanho Steele-Louchart)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2024 00:52:05 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] A Note to Today's Bar Examinees
Message-ID: <CC8B2028-6950-4A80-9690-6B571FD542C1@gmail.com>

All: 

For those of you taking the bar exam today and tomorrow, we wish you all the best. It is a difficult, bizarre couple of days, but remember: You've been preparing for this for years. You can do this. 

See you on the other side, 
Sanho 

From oduncan821 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 30 05:34:32 2024
From: oduncan821 at gmail.com (omar duncan)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 22:34:32 -0700
Subject: [blindLaw] Law school books on Bookshare
In-Reply-To: <CAEjPGkiGtSG-sd+X=RJ2j6NxrmM_URWn+=BZhfHGzO4=XtS5JQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.35.1722168001.3992403.blindlaw_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
 <CAEjPGkiGtSG-sd+X=RJ2j6NxrmM_URWn+=BZhfHGzO4=XtS5JQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAO+t8U1oH9qeiOmthdBY5S17S7BTZTZDuUAYR75yzZx9Fu81fQ@mail.gmail.com>

Good cool awesome.


I did not know about requesting a book and they add it.i always see on the
book information saying added by and that kind of verbiage that makes me
see the open sourced aspect of it but i thought those people have
administrative rights.


Best,

On Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 7:51 AM Carlton Anne Cook Walker via BlindLaw <
blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Additionally, please note that you may ask Bookshare to add any book to its
> collection.
>
> Check out Bookshare's How do I Request A Book? web page
> <
> https://www.bookshare.org/help-and-learning-articles/how-do-i-request-a-book
> >
>
> That page has a link to the request form (Note: you must sign in to submit
> a request.
>
> Wishing you all the best!
>
>
> Carlton
>
>
>
>
> Carlton Anne Cook Walker
> Attorney at Law
> BEAR--Blindness Education and Advocacy Resources
> 101 Kelly Drive
> Carlisle, PA   17015
> Voice: 717-658-9894
> Twitter: BrailleMom
>
>
> *This message is not intended or offered as legal advice. * These materials
> have been prepared for educational and information purposes only.  They are
> not legal advice or legal opinions on any specific matters.  Transmission
> of the information is not intended to create, and receipt does not
> constitute, a lawyer-client relationship between this site, the author(s),
> or the publisher, and you or any other user.  Internet subscribers and
> online readers should not act, or fail to act, upon this information
> without seeking professional counsel.  No person should act or fail to act
> on any legal matter based on the contents of this site.  Unless expressly
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From oduncan821 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 30 05:35:21 2024
From: oduncan821 at gmail.com (omar duncan)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 22:35:21 -0700
Subject: [blindLaw] Law school books on Bookshare
In-Reply-To: <177C276F-EB32-4E51-9947-AA66DE874B0F@gmail.com>
References: <CAEjPGkiGtSG-sd+X=RJ2j6NxrmM_URWn+=BZhfHGzO4=XtS5JQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <177C276F-EB32-4E51-9947-AA66DE874B0F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAO+t8U3YhMgQnGC-GCC_xJNMvviKJNkWfw3YD7pC9w0acURz5Q@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the note. I bet.

It is always a good to have as a secondary resource.


Thanks


On Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 7:56 AM Sanho Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw <
blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> This is true, but I don't recommend relying on their request a book
> feature for something time-sensitive. I've seen them add books in days and
> I've seen it not happen for over a decade. You can review which books have
> been requested and when on their website for an idea of how long things can
> take.
>
> Sanho
>
> > On Jul 29, 2024, at 10:51 AM, Carlton Anne Cook Walker via BlindLaw <
> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Additionally, please note that you may ask Bookshare to add any book to
> its
> > collection.
> >
> > Check out Bookshare's How do I Request A Book? web page
> > <
> https://www.bookshare.org/help-and-learning-articles/how-do-i-request-a-book
> >
> >
> > That page has a link to the request form (Note: you must sign in to
> submit
> > a request.
> >
> > Wishing you all the best!
> >
> >
> > Carlton
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Carlton Anne Cook Walker
> > Attorney at Law
> > BEAR--Blindness Education and Advocacy Resources
> > 101 Kelly Drive
> > Carlisle, PA   17015
> > Voice: 717-658-9894
> > Twitter: BrailleMom
> >
> >
> > *This message is not intended or offered as legal advice. * These
> materials
> > have been prepared for educational and information purposes only.  They
> are
> > not legal advice or legal opinions on any specific matters.  Transmission
> > of the information is not intended to create, and receipt does not
> > constitute, a lawyer-client relationship between this site, the
> author(s),
> > or the publisher, and you or any other user.  Internet subscribers and
> > online readers should not act, or fail to act, upon this information
> > without seeking professional counsel.  No person should act or fail to
> act
> > on any legal matter based on the contents of this site.  Unless expressly
> > stated otherwise, no document herein should be assumed to be produced by
> an
> > attorney licensed in your state.
> >
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> > Law.
> > This message and any attachments may contain legally privileged or
> > confidential information and are intended only for the individual or
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> > identified above as the addressee.
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> you
> > in error, you are not authorized to read, copy, or distribute this
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From oduncan821 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 30 05:37:25 2024
From: oduncan821 at gmail.com (omar duncan)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 22:37:25 -0700
Subject: [blindLaw] Text to speech functionality on jaws and zoomtext
Message-ID: <CAO+t8U2j_MbjS7mTd0gw93+J-OaZfT2=+H3571n7HD-KUMTquw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi has anyone used zoomtext or fusion text to speech before and can it be
used  for continuous reading using keyboard strokes and commands like jaws?


Also for jaws how to make it read continuously only the text on the page
like the word file?

From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Wed Jul 31 17:29:41 2024
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2024 17:29:41 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Senate Democrats push an accessibility refresh -
 Government Executive - July 30, 2024
In-Reply-To: <SA1PR09MB1156381CCAA6C8C048AAD9CFA95B12@SA1PR09MB11563.namprd09.prod.outlook.com>
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https://www.govexec.com/technology/2024/07/senate-democrats-push-accessibility-refresh/398430/?oref=govexec_today_nl&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=GovExec%20Today:%20July%2031%2C%202024&utm_term=newsletter_ge_today
Senate Democrats push an accessibility refresh
By Natalie Alms
Government Executive
July 30, 2024

A new bill would revamp the decades old law requiring the government be accessible online, where many agencies are still falling short
As the federal government continues to largely fail to meet online accessibility requirements established decades ago, a group of Democrats have introduced a new proposal meant to update the underlying statute.
Sens. Bob Casey, D-Pa., Ron Wyden, D-Ore., John Fetterman, D-Pa., and Tammy Duckworth, D-Ill., introduced the Section 508 Refresh Act last week, a proposal they say is meant to ensure that the federal government's online presence is accessible for people with disabilities.
Section 508 is the part of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973 that requires federal agencies' to ensure that their technology is accessible. Passed by Congress in 1998, the government is still struggling to comply, decades later.
"The government as a whole is not meeting the minimum standard or legal obligation to provide equal access," reads a report from the General Services Administration earlier this year. It found that less than 30% of the most viewed web pages, electronic documents and videos were fully compliant.
"So many Americans rely on programs and services provided by the federal government - and yet, too many federal websites and apps remain nearly impossible to use by Americans with disabilities, preventing them from accessing vital information and resources," Duckworth said in a statement.
The new proposal would require agencies to include people with disabilities in the testing and acquisition of new tech, mandate regular testing and have each agency or department appoint a new Section 508 compliance officer.
The bill would also reform the Section 508 complaint process, and it would require GSA to set up a "uniform process" for accessibility testing and reporting for tech acquired by the government. That includes standard contract language on accessibility, accountability measures for vendors whose tech isn't in compliance and more.
The bill follows the first update to federal Section 508 guidance since 2013, issued late last year. The memo directed agencies to incorporate accessibility throughout the design and development process, tap a Section 508 program manager and more.
"This is a good step in the right direction," said Mike Gifford, open standards and practices lead at the government-focused processional services firm CivicActions. But he cautioned that "there's so much work that needs to be done."
Among the challenges are the lack of transparency about government online accessibility, a lack of resources at some agencies and the evergreen question of who is actually responsible for accessibility when there are often many vendors involved in any given website or product, said Gifford.
At the same time, accessibility efforts often remain siloed in the government, he said, noting that more could be done, for example, to tie ongoing customer experience initiatives in this administration to accessibility.
Congress codifying that the government should follow the most updated international web content accessibility standards as they change over time is also on Gifford's legislative wishlist, as are lawmakers tieing existing executive branch efforts into their bills.
Until early 2023, the Justice Department hadn't released its legally-required biennial reports on compliance since 2012. It issued its first one in over a decade last year after congressional pressure to do so.
Much like GSA's report, DOJ also found dismal statistics on online accessibility, as well as struggles across some agencies to secure the necessary staffing and resources to address the problem.
Many of the lawmakers behind this newest proposal have been zeroing on the issue for a few years now.
Casey, who chairs the Special Committee on Aging, backed a proposal last fall to set up compliance officers for Section 508, after a 2022 committee report found accessibility problems at the Department of Veterans Affairs and across government. Casey has also pushed legislation focused on the VA in particular.
"We would not ask someone using a wheelchair to walk up the courthouse steps," Casey said in a statement. "But we are doing something similar when we ask people with disabilities to use federal websites, apps, kiosks, and other technologies that are not accessible."
Duckworth reintroduced the bipartisan, bicameral Websites and Software Applications Accessibility Act last fall, meant to build on the Americans with Disabilities Act.


From abagais1 at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 31 20:20:54 2024
From: abagais1 at hotmail.com (Abdulrahman Bagais)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2024 20:20:54 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Shifting to Private Practice and Starting a New Job at
 K&E
Message-ID: <AS8P250MB00084ACF79C410DF9FA1252080B12@AS8P250MB0008.EURP250.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hi everyone,


I hope you are all well!


I am Abdulrahman Bagais, a totally blind legal practitioner from Saudi Arabia. I am very pleased to join the Blind Lawyers and find a community for visually impaired lawyers.


After nearly two years in my role as a legal trainee at Zahid Group, I have started a new role as a trainee associate at Kirkland & Ellis – Riyadh Office a month ago. As you can imagine, shifting to the private practice at a global law firm can be a bit challenging in the outset, there are a couple of systems used at K&E that I did not used to deal with in my previous role, the office is fairly newly established, so it takes some time to set up all the needed software and technologies and can be difficult to get accessible training and orientation.


I am writing generally to check if anyone has been in the same position and can help with any tips/advice, and also to ask about the screen reader that I use (NVDA), is there anyone in the group, by any chance, using/has used Acapela bilingual English/Arabic voices that can be used with NVDA? The IT team struggling to install a good quality version of bilingual English/Arabic version, also I have found it really difficult and not efficient to use the screen reader with large documents even if it’s word as it becomes very slow, anyone can help with this issue?


If anyone has been through the same challenges, please feel free to send me a message out of the group to discuss it further and your support will be much appreciated.


Many thanks!


Best Regards,

Abdul

From tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com  Wed Jul 31 20:28:39 2024
From: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com (tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2024 15:28:39 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Shifting to Private Practice and Starting a New Job
 at K&E
In-Reply-To: <AS8P250MB00084ACF79C410DF9FA1252080B12@AS8P250MB0008.EURP250.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <AS8P250MB00084ACF79C410DF9FA1252080B12@AS8P250MB0008.EURP250.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <037201dae388$3a6ed390$af4c7ab0$@gmail.com>

Abdul,
Welcome to the list and congratulations on your new role as an associate for
Kirkland & Ellis. Most attorneys who use screen readers are using JAWS for
Windows due to its advanced handling of larger documents, arguably more
robust feature set, and the variety of voices and languages supported. Its
commands are quite similar to those of NVDA. I recommend you give it some
consideration. It is something your firm should be able to purchase for you.
Tai


-----Original Message-----
From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Abdulrahman Bagais
via BlindLaw
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2024 3:21 PM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Cc: Abdulrahman Bagais <abagais1 at hotmail.com>
Subject: [blindLaw] Shifting to Private Practice and Starting a New Job at
K&E

Hi everyone,


I hope you are all well!


I am Abdulrahman Bagais, a totally blind legal practitioner from Saudi
Arabia. I am very pleased to join the Blind Lawyers and find a community for
visually impaired lawyers.


After nearly two years in my role as a legal trainee at Zahid Group, I have
started a new role as a trainee associate at Kirkland & Ellis - Riyadh
Office a month ago. As you can imagine, shifting to the private practice at
a global law firm can be a bit challenging in the outset, there are a couple
of systems used at K&E that I did not used to deal with in my previous role,
the office is fairly newly established, so it takes some time to set up all
the needed software and technologies and can be difficult to get accessible
training and orientation.


I am writing generally to check if anyone has been in the same position and
can help with any tips/advice, and also to ask about the screen reader that
I use (NVDA), is there anyone in the group, by any chance, using/has used
Acapela bilingual English/Arabic voices that can be used with NVDA? The IT
team struggling to install a good quality version of bilingual
English/Arabic version, also I have found it really difficult and not
efficient to use the screen reader with large documents even if it's word as
it becomes very slow, anyone can help with this issue?


If anyone has been through the same challenges, please feel free to send me
a message out of the group to discuss it further and your support will be
much appreciated.


Many thanks!


Best Regards,

Abdul
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From abagais1 at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 31 21:15:10 2024
From: abagais1 at hotmail.com (Abdulrahman Bagais)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2024 21:15:10 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Shifting to Private Practice and Starting a New Job
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Many thanks for your email and kind words, Tai.

Indeed, I've heard the same about JAWS from other VI lawyers in the UK, but since NVDA is the one used by nearly all blind people here in Saudi, I have been using it for a long time, and when decided to try JAWS I haven't find information about how can it work with bilingual English/Arabic voices, and as I am supposed to work in both languages at Kirkland, I requested NVDA because it's the one I know it can work in both languages and switch between them automatically. I will contact JAWS to check if it works in both languages.

Does anyone have an idea whether JAWS can be also used with English/Arabic bilingual voices or not?

Best Regards,
Abdulrahman

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Abdul,
Welcome to the list and congratulations on your new role as an associate for Kirkland & Ellis. Most attorneys who use screen readers are using JAWS for Windows due to its advanced handling of larger documents, arguably more robust feature set, and the variety of voices and languages supported. Its commands are quite similar to those of NVDA. I recommend you give it some consideration. It is something your firm should be able to purchase for you.
Tai


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Hi everyone,


I hope you are all well!


I am Abdulrahman Bagais, a totally blind legal practitioner from Saudi Arabia. I am very pleased to join the Blind Lawyers and find a community for visually impaired lawyers.


After nearly two years in my role as a legal trainee at Zahid Group, I have started a new role as a trainee associate at Kirkland & Ellis - Riyadh Office a month ago. As you can imagine, shifting to the private practice at a global law firm can be a bit challenging in the outset, there are a couple of systems used at K&E that I did not used to deal with in my previous role, the office is fairly newly established, so it takes some time to set up all the needed software and technologies and can be difficult to get accessible training and orientation.


I am writing generally to check if anyone has been in the same position and can help with any tips/advice, and also to ask about the screen reader that I use (NVDA), is there anyone in the group, by any chance, using/has used Acapela bilingual English/Arabic voices that can be used with NVDA? The IT team struggling to install a good quality version of bilingual English/Arabic version, also I have found it really difficult and not efficient to use the screen reader with large documents even if it's word as it becomes very slow, anyone can help with this issue?


If anyone has been through the same challenges, please feel free to send me a message out of the group to discuss it further and your support will be much appreciated.


Many thanks!


Best Regards,

Abdul
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