From rfarber at jw.com  Sat Jun  1 13:35:47 2024
From: rfarber at jw.com (Farber, Randy)
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2024 13:35:47 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Movint to Windows 11 and Office 365
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Hello All - I am trying to stay ahead of the curve or at least not fall any further behind.  Our law firm has made the decision to change our computing environment.  We are currently on Windows 10 and Office  2016.  We are moving to Windows 11 and Office 365.  What changes/issues should I anticipate and try to address up front?
Randy Farber

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From laurenbishop96 at icloud.com  Sat Jun  1 13:57:43 2024
From: laurenbishop96 at icloud.com (Lauren Bishop)
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2024 09:57:43 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] Movint to Windows 11 and Office 365
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I use Windows 11 and Microsoft 365, I’m 95% sure, Microsoft is kind of confusing. However, the transition from Windows 10 to Windows 11 with jaws was so seamless. It was like I never updated.
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> On Jun 1, 2024, at 9:37 AM, Farber, Randy via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello All - I am trying to stay ahead of the curve or at least not fall any further behind.  Our law firm has made the decision to change our computing environment.  We are currently on Windows 10 and Office  2016.  We are moving to Windows 11 and Office 365.  What changes/issues should I anticipate and try to address up front?
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From john.vickers07 at gmail.com  Sun Jun  2 01:21:51 2024
From: john.vickers07 at gmail.com (John Vickers)
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2024 19:21:51 -0600
Subject: [blindLaw] Formatting documents with Jaws (acadimic sources)
Message-ID: <CAN4QUCrA2Csqv5Gkp3ywcjo43EbOFJopPAWJEOGCcCzZATFWOA@mail.gmail.com>

John Vickers

06/01/2024

Good evening

I need some guidance with document formatting, and how to properly site
academic sources using Jaws. Any assistance is appreciated. I am currently
in a master’s program at Texas A&M studying Business Law and Compliance.

-- 

John Vickers, CRC


*Phone:* (817)929-5231

*E-mail: *John.Vickers07 at gmail.com

From looking_4truth at yahoo.com  Sun Jun  2 02:23:10 2024
From: looking_4truth at yahoo.com (Josiah Jackson)
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2024 02:23:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [blindLaw] Formatting documents with Jaws (acadimic sources)
In-Reply-To: <CAN4QUCrA2Csqv5Gkp3ywcjo43EbOFJopPAWJEOGCcCzZATFWOA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN4QUCrA2Csqv5Gkp3ywcjo43EbOFJopPAWJEOGCcCzZATFWOA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1360707125.415522.1717294990563@mail.yahoo.com>

I was able to get some assistance from the writing center where I attend school at Missouri state. I had to have the knowledge of how to make my computer do things so in other words, the jazz keystroke commands, but I was able to have an individual explain to me what the formatting was supposed to be like. additionally, they knew Microsoft Word better than I do, and were able to tell me where certain things were in word that help establish formatting for me. Don’t know if that helps but I hope it does. 
Josiah Jackson 


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On Saturday, June 1, 2024, 8:23 PM, John Vickers via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:

John Vickers

06/01/2024

Good evening

I need some guidance with document formatting, and how to properly site
academic sources using Jaws. Any assistance is appreciated. I am currently
in a master’s program at Texas A&M studying Business Law and Compliance.

-- 

John Vickers, CRC


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*E-mail: *John.Vickers07 at gmail.com
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Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2024 23:47:42 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] Reminder: Quarterly Connection: Handling Discovery as a
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From ThomasDukeman at outlook.com  Sun Jun  2 14:02:57 2024
From: ThomasDukeman at outlook.com (Thomas Dukeman)
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2024 14:02:57 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] West law and Lexus Nexus with jaws
Message-ID: <BYAPR12MB2712069CAC3E798D7754AB46ADFE2@BYAPR12MB2712.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Hello blind law,

I was working on compiling and reviewing my notes for using legal databases because it has been quite some time since I had classes that touched on the subject when I noticed something. I had explored Lexus Nexus as a sighted person but do not know if it has any compatibility at all with JAWS. Does JAWS work well with Lexus Nexus? On the topic of legal databases, I recall hearing about another popular one called West law. Does JAWS work well with that one too? Does JAWS work better with one then the other is it about the same quality of compatibility?

Thank you for your time,
Thomas Dukeman

From derekjdittmar at gmail.com  Sun Jun  2 14:22:34 2024
From: derekjdittmar at gmail.com (derek dittmar)
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2024 10:22:34 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] West law and Lexus Nexus with jaws
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I have successfully used both with jaws. Each one is going to have their oddities that you will have to figure out, but they are both extremely usable. Both companies have specific customer success  or tech-support people who are trained to work with screen readers, so getting in touch with those folks is always helpful.
I can’t tell you which one I like best, because it tends to be whichever one I am actively using. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 2, 2024, at 10:04 AM, Thomas Dukeman via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello blind law,
> 
> I was working on compiling and reviewing my notes for using legal databases because it has been quite some time since I had classes that touched on the subject when I noticed something. I had explored Lexus Nexus as a sighted person but do not know if it has any compatibility at all with JAWS. Does JAWS work well with Lexus Nexus? On the topic of legal databases, I recall hearing about another popular one called West law. Does JAWS work well with that one too? Does JAWS work better with one then the other is it about the same quality of compatibility?
> 
> Thank you for your time,
> Thomas Dukeman
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From laurenbishop96 at icloud.com  Sun Jun  2 14:28:58 2024
From: laurenbishop96 at icloud.com (Lauren Bishop)
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2024 10:28:58 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] West law and Lexus Nexus with jaws
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I haven’t had a problem with accessibility with either one. I prefer Westlaw, but it’s because that’s what I’ve used the most.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 2, 2024, at 10:24 AM, derek dittmar via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I have successfully used both with jaws. Each one is going to have their oddities that you will have to figure out, but they are both extremely usable. Both companies have specific customer success  or tech-support people who are trained to work with screen readers, so getting in touch with those folks is always helpful.
> I can’t tell you which one I like best, because it tends to be whichever one I am actively using.
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 2, 2024, at 10:04 AM, Thomas Dukeman via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello blind law,
>> 
>> I was working on compiling and reviewing my notes for using legal databases because it has been quite some time since I had classes that touched on the subject when I noticed something. I had explored Lexus Nexus as a sighted person but do not know if it has any compatibility at all with JAWS. Does JAWS work well with Lexus Nexus? On the topic of legal databases, I recall hearing about another popular one called West law. Does JAWS work well with that one too? Does JAWS work better with one then the other is it about the same quality of compatibility?
>> 
>> Thank you for your time,
>> Thomas Dukeman
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From christophergbell at comcast.net  Sun Jun  2 16:56:09 2024
From: christophergbell at comcast.net (christophergbell at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2024 12:56:09 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] Formatting documents with Jaws (acadimic sources)
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I have used Aira and Teamviewer for formatting help.  They are great at ensuring the same font is used throughout a document, fixing paragraph and individual spacing problems, doing headings, etc.  As I am a long retired attorney, I don't know how helpful they would be on a legal brief or academic paper; it would probably depend upon the Agent's knowledge and experience.  Chris 

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Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Formatting documents with Jaws (acadimic sources)

I was able to get some assistance from the writing center where I attend school at Missouri state. I had to have the knowledge of how to make my computer do things so in other words, the jazz keystroke commands, but I was able to have an individual explain to me what the formatting was supposed to be like. additionally, they knew Microsoft Word better than I do, and were able to tell me where certain things were in word that help establish formatting for me. Don’t know if that helps but I hope it does. Josiah Jackson 


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John Vickers

06/01/2024

Good evening

I need some guidance with document formatting, and how to properly site
academic sources using Jaws. Any assistance is appreciated. I am currently
in a master’s program at Texas A&M studying Business Law and Compliance.

-- 

John Vickers, CRC


*Phone:* (817)929-5231

*E-mail: *John.Vickers07 at gmail.com
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From syedrizvinfb at gmail.com  Sun Jun  2 17:55:33 2024
From: syedrizvinfb at gmail.com (Syed Rizvi)
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2024 13:55:33 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] Formatting documents with Jaws (acadimic sources)
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Agreed that Aira is very helpful here, and I also use chat gpt 4 to help make citations.

Sent from my iPhone.

> On Jun 2, 2024, at 12:58 PM, Chris Bell via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I have used Aira and Teamviewer for formatting help.  They are great at ensuring the same font is used throughout a document, fixing paragraph and individual spacing problems, doing headings, etc.  As I am a long retired attorney, I don't know how helpful they would be on a legal brief or academic paper; it would probably depend upon the Agent's knowledge and experience.  Chris 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Formatting documents with Jaws (acadimic sources)
> 
> I was able to get some assistance from the writing center where I attend school at Missouri state. I had to have the knowledge of how to make my computer do things so in other words, the jazz keystroke commands, but I was able to have an individual explain to me what the formatting was supposed to be like. additionally, they knew Microsoft Word better than I do, and were able to tell me where certain things were in word that help establish formatting for me. Don’t know if that helps but I hope it does. Josiah Jackson 
> 
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> 
> 
> On Saturday, June 1, 2024, 8:23 PM, John Vickers via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> John Vickers
> 
> 06/01/2024
> 
> Good evening
> 
> I need some guidance with document formatting, and how to properly site
> academic sources using Jaws. Any assistance is appreciated. I am currently
> in a master’s program at Texas A&M studying Business Law and Compliance.
> 
> -- 
> 
> John Vickers, CRC
> 
> 
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From glnorman15 at hotmail.com  Mon Jun  3 16:48:20 2024
From: glnorman15 at hotmail.com (GL Norman)
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2024 16:48:20 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Annual Meeting of the Maryland State Bar Association 5-7
 June
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Friends:
Look forward to "seeing" many colleagues and friends this week at the annual meeting of the Maryland State Bar Association. I will have the pleasure to co-present with colleagues and friends, advancing conversations on important intersectional topics that include disability inclusion. Please join a range of these thought leaders, Ms. Izzie, and me as follows:

  *   June 5, 2024, at 10 A.M.
  *   June 6, 2024, at 9:45 A.M.

In our three months together, Ms. Izzie has already visited three states.
A conference is stressful on a new dog team. However, I hope you, especially any law students with disabilities or lawyers with disabilities, will grab me and say hello. It will be a pleasure to discuss how we advance accessibility and usability within the MSBA - an on-going quest.

Please do not hesitate to contact me at (410) 241-6745. Thanks.


From sanho817 at gmail.com  Mon Jun  3 21:55:10 2024
From: sanho817 at gmail.com (Sanho Steele-Louchart)
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2024 17:55:10 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] Fwd: Reminder: Quarterly Connection: Handling Discovery
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From nikki.singh at aya.yale.edu  Sun Jun  9 17:31:36 2024
From: nikki.singh at aya.yale.edu (Nikki Singh)
Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2024 13:31:36 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] West law and Lexus Nexus with jaws
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Hi! Both work fine for most things that you would need. One area that still
needs work is litigation analytics. However, that review can easily be done
with your litigation support technical staff, assuming you work at a firm
or firm-like environment.



I like and use Westlaw more often. However, Lexis has more technical
reference material, public record searching, and case shepherdizing.


Sincerely,

Nikki

On Sun, Jun 2, 2024 at 10:04 AM Thomas Dukeman via BlindLaw <
blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hello blind law,
>
> I was working on compiling and reviewing my notes for using legal
> databases because it has been quite some time since I had classes that
> touched on the subject when I noticed something. I had explored Lexus Nexus
> as a sighted person but do not know if it has any compatibility at all with
> JAWS. Does JAWS work well with Lexus Nexus? On the topic of legal
> databases, I recall hearing about another popular one called West law. Does
> JAWS work well with that one too? Does JAWS work better with one then the
> other is it about the same quality of compatibility?
>
> Thank you for your time,
> Thomas Dukeman
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From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Thu Jun 13 21:35:55 2024
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2024 21:35:55 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] U.S. Department of Education's Office for Civil Rights
 Resume Bank OPEN for attorneys
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From rothmanjd at gmail.com  Sat Jun 15 01:26:55 2024
From: rothmanjd at gmail.com (rothmanjd at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2024 21:26:55 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] Crowd Sourcing: Attorneys and Aira
Message-ID: <0a7001dabec3$1c422cd0$54c68670$@gmail.com>

Folks,

I'm beginning some conversations with Aira - its probably more accurate to
say I'm resuming conversations we had a few years ago - about how to
overcome some of the barriers that exist for attorneys to use Aira visual
interpreting services in legal practice.  Here's what I pulled from previous
feedback on this issue:

1.	Aira's automatic recording creates confidentiality concerns.
2.	Aira's use of subcontractors with little oversight or no employment
relationship creates confidentiality and risk liability concerns related to
information disclosure.
3.	It is not clear if the attorney client privilege would extend to
Aira personnel who are able to see otherwise protected documents.

 

What else are you concerned about?  Do you have ideas for how to resolve
these or other concerns?

 

Thanks,

Ronza

 

 

Ronza Othman, President

National Federation of the Blind of Maryland

443-426-4110

Pronouns: she, her, hers

 

The National Federation of the Blind of Maryland knows that blindness is not
the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
blindness is not what holds you back

 


From oduncan821 at gmail.com  Sat Jun 15 18:05:50 2024
From: oduncan821 at gmail.com (omar duncan)
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2024 11:05:50 -0700
Subject: [blindLaw] Extended time in LSAT
Message-ID: <CAO+t8U1M0vrXJ3aBDSDZeccvVmqJibU=aWpLjcmnbDVGSg-Cow@mail.gmail.com>

Hi as a visually impaired person what is the ideal amount of time for
extended time on LSAT.


Best,

Happy Father’s Day weekend everyone

From laurenbishop96 at icloud.com  Sat Jun 15 18:53:17 2024
From: laurenbishop96 at icloud.com (Lauren Bishop)
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2024 14:53:17 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] Extended time in LSAT
In-Reply-To: <CAO+t8U1M0vrXJ3aBDSDZeccvVmqJibU=aWpLjcmnbDVGSg-Cow@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Omar, 
I think that the LSAT people are going approve the same amount of time you got in college and on other standardized tests. I received double time. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 15, 2024, at 2:07 PM, omar duncan via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi as a visually impaired person what is the ideal amount of time for
> extended time on LSAT.
> 
> 
> Best,
> 
> Happy Father’s Day weekend everyone
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From Christopher.C.Collins at Colorado.EDU  Sat Jun 15 19:04:08 2024
From: Christopher.C.Collins at Colorado.EDU (Christopher Curtis Collins)
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2024 19:04:08 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Extended time in LSAT
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Hi,

They do provide the same accommodations as you received on other standardized tests. However, I have a friend who successfully petitioned his extended time from 1.5 to double time. You just need proper documentation and support that such an extension is warranted. Just be sure to advocate for yourself.

Chris
________________________________
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Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2024 12:05:50 PM
To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Cc: omar duncan <oduncan821 at gmail.com>
Subject: [blindLaw] Extended time in LSAT

Hi as a visually impaired person what is the ideal amount of time for
extended time on LSAT.


Best,

Happy Father’s Day weekend everyone
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From oduncan821 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 16 01:10:24 2024
From: oduncan821 at gmail.com (omar duncan)
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2024 18:10:24 -0700
Subject: [blindLaw] Extended time in LSAT
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Gotcha.

Thanks Chris for the insight.

Was your colleague visually impaired who went from
1.5 to double or other disability.

On Sat, Jun 15, 2024 at 12:05 PM Christopher Curtis Collins via BlindLaw <
blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> They do provide the same accommodations as you received on other
> standardized tests. However, I have a friend who successfully petitioned
> his extended time from 1.5 to double time. You just need proper
> documentation and support that such an extension is warranted. Just be sure
> to advocate for yourself.
>
> Chris
> ________________________________
> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> on behalf of omar duncan via
> BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2024 12:05:50 PM
> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: omar duncan <oduncan821 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [blindLaw] Extended time in LSAT
>
> Hi as a visually impaired person what is the ideal amount of time for
> extended time on LSAT.
>
>
> Best,
>
> Happy Father’s Day weekend everyone
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From oduncan821 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 16 01:11:27 2024
From: oduncan821 at gmail.com (omar duncan)
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2024 18:11:27 -0700
Subject: [blindLaw] Extended time in LSAT
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Thanks Chris , for the insight.

Was your colleague visually impaired who went from
1.5 to double or other disability.
On Sat, Jun 15, 2024 at 6:10 PM omar duncan <oduncan821 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Gotcha.
>
> On Sat, Jun 15, 2024 at 12:05 PM Christopher Curtis Collins via BlindLaw <
> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> They do provide the same accommodations as you received on other
>> standardized tests. However, I have a friend who successfully petitioned
>> his extended time from 1.5 to double time. You just need proper
>> documentation and support that such an extension is warranted. Just be sure
>> to advocate for yourself.
>>
>> Chris
>> ________________________________
>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> on behalf of omar duncan
>> via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2024 12:05:50 PM
>> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: omar duncan <oduncan821 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [blindLaw] Extended time in LSAT
>>
>> Hi as a visually impaired person what is the ideal amount of time for
>> extended time on LSAT.
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Happy Father’s Day weekend everyone
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From Christopher.C.Collins at Colorado.EDU  Sun Jun 16 01:24:48 2024
From: Christopher.C.Collins at Colorado.EDU (Christopher Curtis Collins)
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2024 01:24:48 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Extended time in LSAT
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Hi Omar,

Yes, he is visually impaired.

Chris
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Gotcha.

Thanks Chris for the insight.

Was your colleague visually impaired who went from
1.5 to double or other disability.

On Sat, Jun 15, 2024 at 12:05 PM Christopher Curtis Collins via BlindLaw <
blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> They do provide the same accommodations as you received on other
> standardized tests. However, I have a friend who successfully petitioned
> his extended time from 1.5 to double time. You just need proper
> documentation and support that such an extension is warranted. Just be sure
> to advocate for yourself.
>
> Chris
> ________________________________
> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> on behalf of omar duncan via
> BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2024 12:05:50 PM
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> Subject: [blindLaw] Extended time in LSAT
>
> Hi as a visually impaired person what is the ideal amount of time for
> extended time on LSAT.
>
>
> Best,
>
> Happy Father’s Day weekend everyone
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From oduncan821 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 16 01:47:52 2024
From: oduncan821 at gmail.com (omar duncan)
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2024 18:47:52 -0700
Subject: [blindLaw] Extended time in LSAT
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Gotcha what about multi day testing.


Have ang of you all got that?

On Sat, Jun 15, 2024 at 6:26 PM Christopher Curtis Collins via BlindLaw <
blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi Omar,
>
> Yes, he is visually impaired.
>
> Chris
> ________________________________
> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> on behalf of omar duncan via
> BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2024 7:10:24 PM
> To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: omar duncan <oduncan821 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Extended time in LSAT
>
> Gotcha.
>
> Thanks Chris for the insight.
>
> Was your colleague visually impaired who went from
> 1.5 to double or other disability.
>
> On Sat, Jun 15, 2024 at 12:05 PM Christopher Curtis Collins via BlindLaw <
> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > They do provide the same accommodations as you received on other
> > standardized tests. However, I have a friend who successfully petitioned
> > his extended time from 1.5 to double time. You just need proper
> > documentation and support that such an extension is warranted. Just be
> sure
> > to advocate for yourself.
> >
> > Chris
> > ________________________________
> > From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> on behalf of omar duncan
> via
> > BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2024 12:05:50 PM
> > To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: omar duncan <oduncan821 at gmail.com>
> > Subject: [blindLaw] Extended time in LSAT
> >
> > Hi as a visually impaired person what is the ideal amount of time for
> > extended time on LSAT.
> >
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Happy Father’s Day weekend everyone
> > _______________________________________________
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From sai at fiatfiendum.org  Sun Jun 16 20:37:34 2024
From: sai at fiatfiendum.org (Sai)
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2024 21:37:34 +0100
Subject: [blindLaw] Extended time in LSAT
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Remember that you can always submit a section early if you're finished. So
really you just want as much as you can get.

I found it also helpful to request:
rest breaks between and within sections
bringing my own food & drink
bringing my own meds
bringing my own phone (kept by the proctor) so I have directions or Uber
to/from
bringing my own writing tools & paper
writing the test on a computer
just blackout room (others might prefer bright room)
solo room
fidget toys

Sincerely,
Sai
President, Fiat Fiendum, Inc., a 501(c)(3)

Sent from my mobile phone; please excuse the concision, typos, and
autocorrect errors.

On Sun, 16 Jun 2024, 02:49 omar duncan via BlindLaw, <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Gotcha what about multi day testing.
>
>
> Have ang of you all got that?
>
> On Sat, Jun 15, 2024 at 6:26 PM Christopher Curtis Collins via BlindLaw <
> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi Omar,
> >
> > Yes, he is visually impaired.
> >
> > Chris
> > ________________________________
> > From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> on behalf of omar duncan
> via
> > BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2024 7:10:24 PM
> > To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: omar duncan <oduncan821 at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Extended time in LSAT
> >
> > Gotcha.
> >
> > Thanks Chris for the insight.
> >
> > Was your colleague visually impaired who went from
> > 1.5 to double or other disability.
> >
> > On Sat, Jun 15, 2024 at 12:05 PM Christopher Curtis Collins via BlindLaw
> <
> > blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > They do provide the same accommodations as you received on other
> > > standardized tests. However, I have a friend who successfully
> petitioned
> > > his extended time from 1.5 to double time. You just need proper
> > > documentation and support that such an extension is warranted. Just be
> > sure
> > > to advocate for yourself.
> > >
> > > Chris
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> on behalf of omar duncan
> > via
> > > BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> > > Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2024 12:05:50 PM
> > > To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> > > Cc: omar duncan <oduncan821 at gmail.com>
> > > Subject: [blindLaw] Extended time in LSAT
> > >
> > > Hi as a visually impaired person what is the ideal amount of time for
> > > extended time on LSAT.
> > >
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Happy Father’s Day weekend everyone
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > BlindLaw mailing list
> > > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
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From oduncan821 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 17 19:41:18 2024
From: oduncan821 at gmail.com (omar duncan)
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2024 12:41:18 -0700
Subject: [blindLaw] =?utf-8?q?Legal_discussion_topic_regarding_ADA_=28Ame?=
	=?utf-8?q?ricans_with_disabilities_Act=29_and_how_it=E2=80=99s_sta?=
	=?utf-8?q?tutory_intent_could_hurt_disabled_folks_in_the_workforce?=
	=?utf-8?q?_in_seeking_and_maintaining_employment?=
Message-ID: <CAO+t8U03eCP=zVRU5L24czQ1k7S6ELo1VJQbVwCiYOaZ3J97Ug@mail.gmail.com>

Hi. Guys. I hope everyone is well.

I have a thought provoking discussion topic regarding ADA (Americans with
disability act) and whether it achieves its desired result or instead
casusss unintended consequences that hampers disabled people—especially
visually impaired people—in seeking, obtaining and maintaining employment


To start off, I know the statutory intent  as the legislators passed it was
to benefit us and in many ways it did—most notably is the case in academia.


However, I can’t help but realize that there are spheres of life where it
does not achieve its desired result or even makes things worlds and leads
to more discrimination. I believe this to be certainly the case in the
realm of employment and that is evidenced by disabled people and visually
impaired people
Suffering from chronic under employment or unemployment.


Now  that I have  established  what I want to talk about and how it relates
to ADA’s influence in the experience  of employment for disabled people, I
want to take this opportunity to say that ADA employment provisions  have
negative adverse effects for disabled people when seeking employment.


When all of the pressure is put on the employer and not on other entities
in society to accommodate and help with accommodations, it’s Pisces undue
burden on employers and they just straight up tell themselves “I ain’t
gonna deal with this disabled person” and run the risk of lawsuits against
the employer and also decreases efficiency because they are reasonable for
full cost of accommodations and the red tape of the regulation on
employment practices  for disabled people.

Basically, when all of the pressure is on employers is the highest on
employers and they have a lot to lose if  things go awry or if a provisions
of the over reachING ADA is used against them , it makes them less likely
to hire us and want to deal with us for these obvious and indisputable
reasons.


That is why as a community I think  we should lobby congress through  NFB
and other large organization that have any real impact to alter the
interpretations and scope of ADA as it relates to employment for people
with dis disabilities  to make employees more willing to work with us and
not view us as a liability.


Remember we suffer from chronic and staggeringly high rates of unemployment
despite’s being qualified for many jobs with assistive technology.


If the employer pays a bit out of pocket and the employee  themselves and
some organizations and charities and state rehab agencies dilute the cost
from the employer, I can guarantee we will see a different landscape for us
in being able to obtain and access and  maintain decent stable employment.

I’d like to have a group wide discussion on this and hopefully this can
spark some critical thought in our community about those how the stuff
intended to protect does wrong by us and actually hurts us as it does.


And I don’t want to hear anyone say “but the ada protects us.”

Yes, it does.

However, it only protects us through the meaningless force and effect of
arbitrary writing on paper by lawmakers.

The burden of proof is so high when Proving discrimination
 That employers in the recruiting process can avoid hiring a disabled
person entirely and avoiding the stress of dealing with a disabled person
down the road (regarding potential of lawsuits and losing everything due to
our excessively litigious system). BY SIMPLY SAYING, “thanks for applying
and offering your talents but we have decided to move forward with more
qualified candidates in the process.”

In other words,there is now way to audit their employment practices and
they can simply evade hiring. Disabled person by sending out these bullshit
generic messages.


They may create the appearance of complying with the ADA in employment By
putting up those meaningless banners and banalities and platitudes on job
ads by saying we are equal opportunity employer, but that is all a smoke
screen to maintain the appearance in compliance when, in reality, Human
Resources people at big companies like to if we the radar stay away from us
because they rightly view us as a liability not worth dealing with when
there are other suitable candidates for jobs in resdy supply and when ADA
employment provisions choke employers and  place penalties for bull shit
 they should not have to deal with in the first place .



So, with that all of that being said, for those of you all who made it that
far thanks for your time and attention. On this important matter.

I just want a world where underemployment and unemployment in the disabled
sphere is reduced and the current statutory framework makes us a burden in
light of the employers goals and we must seek  change in this ADA provision
to allow a distribution of costs among societal members when it comes to
hiring and keeping disabled people.
Otherwise, we can continue our current path of radically high unemployment
rates, lack of independence (financially on top of physically) and be at
the mercy of SSA and wait for our SSI checks just to get by.


I hope my community takes these facts into consideration and get the ball
rolling hopefully on changes that can benefit all of us in the future. This
proposal might not get anywhere but I believe it can spark a discussion
that will lead to systemic change in our thoughts as a community and get us
to supports reforms that actually benefit us in employment processes.


Realize that this is for our own good and as the protected class the ADA is
intended to protect , I am certain we have jurisdiction to have a deciding
say in this matter in terms of how states , the fed handles matters related
to disabilities.


Thanks for this awesome community , however small it may be and hopefully
grows, I look forward to discussing this matter further and planting the
seed that will result in positive change.



A little side story that motivates me to write the above letter that may
add context to what I am saying but don’t want to  entangle your guys time
to read because the above stuff is the main stuff is my own personal
experience in the employment sector.


I am low vision and once I graduated  my   Undergrad I had a  hard time
finding decent work or even work at all despite holding many licenses,
having existing work experience, and speaking multiple languages and having
multiple  technical akills that make me a usable , marketable job candidate.

After some time I finally landed a mediocre clerk job for minimum wage
doing menial tasks that my remaining low vision allowed me to do with the
state government.  I was avle to even snag my way into my jobs because I am
partially sighted and my disability is for the most  part at least at the
beginning invisible and that  allowed  me to get my job.

And Ps. They state agency had a bad work culture and high turn over and
authoritarian system and probably hired me cause it was low paying basic
worthless job and they hired me because the previous person who was
supposed to start the job quit on the first day and wanted someone to fill
the role quickly.

Enough about the job and how crappy it was and more about my experiences
with why the ADA in employment screws is over.

As soon as i started I looked close to the computer and papers and they
knew I was disabled  (something they did not during the process of
interviewing and that is probably how I got the job in the first place
cause they would not Give a job to disabled person to begin with—even if it
is more mild  like mine   Because I retain vision when looking at stuff up
close.

And, anyways, upon seeing i looked close to things, they started  to get on
my butt about it to avoid liability and asked for a doctors note
immediately  sent me to their “risk management division within H.R.  to
deal with me—it’s funny how they call it risk management on a side note.

Anyways , I did not provide it to them because if I wanted to seek
employment in  the future I don’t want and I did not want it to hold me
back for promoting within my job , which I was not able to do after a while
of hard work and possessing   more credentials  than half of the
unqualified department staff.  This was likely  because  my work was
seasonal and did not want to make  me a permanent state employee because
of the  departments low budget ( a real fact in government and their toxic
culture toward disabled people, which is influenced by the undue strictness
of the ADA that is supposed  to help us).

I finally found out through my supervisor (. A young guy like me) who I
respected and respected me implicitly but not directly told me that the job
I interviewed for to become permanent I did not get because of my
disability  and higher  management with the ultimate hiring authority not
getting because of my disability and the hole I would represent in their
limited budget despite them liking me    And respecting me as an individual.



With that being said, this personal story about my experiences in
employment as partially sighted low vision person  and a few other strong
ones in previous and subsequent roles  I have but  won’t share because I
don’t want to take too much of your time which I thank you guys for in
reading in this long post IS the very reason why we need reform in this
specific aspect of interpreting and enforcing the ADA employment provisions
and edicts and directives.


Please I implore you guys to think about this seriously and hopefully it
can get the mechanical wheels rolling h for some change that will benefit
us all




Thank you guys.

You guys are literally the best community ever and I am thankful to have
you guys for input when I need it and look forward to help each other grow
well into the future.


Take   care

From p.harpur at law.uq.edu.au  Mon Jun 17 20:07:22 2024
From: p.harpur at law.uq.edu.au (Paul Harpur)
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2024 20:07:22 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] 
 =?utf-8?q?Legal_discussion_topic_regarding_ADA_=28Ame?=
 =?utf-8?q?ricans_with_disabilities_Act=29_and_how_it=E2=80=99s_statutory_?=
 =?utf-8?q?intent_could_hurt_disabled_folks_in_the_workforce_in_seeking_an?=
 =?utf-8?q?d_maintaining_employment?=
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The failure of the ADA not to focus on other relationships means certain disabling barriers are created which cannot be removed.  I have written on this problem in the workplace and in other areas.  Occupational health and safety laws recognise this problem and target more work relationships.  So you have designers being required to ensure the equipment is safe.  The manufacturer has a duty, the supplier has a duty, and employers have duties.  Others can as well depending upon the statute.  The point is, proactive duties to seek out and manage risks exists which already benefits us.  This is another point I have written on.  If a building is not safe for a person with a disability, then that is a work health and safety breach.  If you trip down some steps it becomes a OHS matter.  But OHS also responds if there is a near miss or just a risk.  If someone is seriously going to lobby for reforms here I'm happy to give some resources to help.
Professor Paul Harpur OAM   
BBus (HRm), LLB (Hons) LLM, PhD, FHEA, solicitor of the High Court of Australia (non-practicing), PLY
The University of Queensland Law School
(TEQSA PRV12080)  
Associate, Harvard Law School Project on Disability
Australian Research Council Future Fellow 
“Universities train the disability leaders of tomorrow, employ the disability leaders of today, and produce research and innovation which can make the world more inclusive”.  Paul Harpur, ‘Universities as Disability Champions of Change’ TEDx.
 


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Subject: [blindLaw] Legal discussion topic regarding ADA (Americans with disabilities Act) and how it’s statutory intent could hurt disabled folks in the workforce in seeking and maintaining employment

Hi. Guys. I hope everyone is well.

I have a thought provoking discussion topic regarding ADA (Americans with disability act) and whether it achieves its desired result or instead casusss unintended consequences that hampers disabled people—especially visually impaired people—in seeking, obtaining and maintaining employment


To start off, I know the statutory intent  as the legislators passed it was to benefit us and in many ways it did—most notably is the case in academia.


However, I can’t help but realize that there are spheres of life where it does not achieve its desired result or even makes things worlds and leads to more discrimination. I believe this to be certainly the case in the realm of employment and that is evidenced by disabled people and visually impaired people Suffering from chronic under employment or unemployment.


Now  that I have  established  what I want to talk about and how it relates to ADA’s influence in the experience  of employment for disabled people, I want to take this opportunity to say that ADA employment provisions  have negative adverse effects for disabled people when seeking employment.


When all of the pressure is put on the employer and not on other entities in society to accommodate and help with accommodations, it’s Pisces undue burden on employers and they just straight up tell themselves “I ain’t gonna deal with this disabled person” and run the risk of lawsuits against the employer and also decreases efficiency because they are reasonable for full cost of accommodations and the red tape of the regulation on employment practices  for disabled people.

Basically, when all of the pressure is on employers is the highest on employers and they have a lot to lose if  things go awry or if a provisions of the over reachING ADA is used against them , it makes them less likely to hire us and want to deal with us for these obvious and indisputable reasons.


That is why as a community I think  we should lobby congress through  NFB and other large organization that have any real impact to alter the interpretations and scope of ADA as it relates to employment for people with dis disabilities  to make employees more willing to work with us and not view us as a liability.


Remember we suffer from chronic and staggeringly high rates of unemployment despite’s being qualified for many jobs with assistive technology.


If the employer pays a bit out of pocket and the employee  themselves and some organizations and charities and state rehab agencies dilute the cost from the employer, I can guarantee we will see a different landscape for us in being able to obtain and access and  maintain decent stable employment.

I’d like to have a group wide discussion on this and hopefully this can spark some critical thought in our community about those how the stuff intended to protect does wrong by us and actually hurts us as it does.


And I don’t want to hear anyone say “but the ada protects us.”

Yes, it does.

However, it only protects us through the meaningless force and effect of arbitrary writing on paper by lawmakers.

The burden of proof is so high when Proving discrimination  That employers in the recruiting process can avoid hiring a disabled person entirely and avoiding the stress of dealing with a disabled person down the road (regarding potential of lawsuits and losing everything due to our excessively litigious system). BY SIMPLY SAYING, “thanks for applying and offering your talents but we have decided to move forward with more qualified candidates in the process.”

In other words,there is now way to audit their employment practices and they can simply evade hiring. Disabled person by sending out these bullshit generic messages.


They may create the appearance of complying with the ADA in employment By putting up those meaningless banners and banalities and platitudes on job ads by saying we are equal opportunity employer, but that is all a smoke screen to maintain the appearance in compliance when, in reality, Human Resources people at big companies like to if we the radar stay away from us because they rightly view us as a liability not worth dealing with when there are other suitable candidates for jobs in resdy supply and when ADA employment provisions choke employers and  place penalties for bull shit  they should not have to deal with in the first place .



So, with that all of that being said, for those of you all who made it that far thanks for your time and attention. On this important matter.

I just want a world where underemployment and unemployment in the disabled sphere is reduced and the current statutory framework makes us a burden in light of the employers goals and we must seek  change in this ADA provision to allow a distribution of costs among societal members when it comes to hiring and keeping disabled people.
Otherwise, we can continue our current path of radically high unemployment rates, lack of independence (financially on top of physically) and be at the mercy of SSA and wait for our SSI checks just to get by.


I hope my community takes these facts into consideration and get the ball rolling hopefully on changes that can benefit all of us in the future. This proposal might not get anywhere but I believe it can spark a discussion that will lead to systemic change in our thoughts as a community and get us to supports reforms that actually benefit us in employment processes.


Realize that this is for our own good and as the protected class the ADA is intended to protect , I am certain we have jurisdiction to have a deciding say in this matter in terms of how states , the fed handles matters related to disabilities.


Thanks for this awesome community , however small it may be and hopefully grows, I look forward to discussing this matter further and planting the seed that will result in positive change.



A little side story that motivates me to write the above letter that may add context to what I am saying but don’t want to  entangle your guys time to read because the above stuff is the main stuff is my own personal experience in the employment sector.


I am low vision and once I graduated  my   Undergrad I had a  hard time
finding decent work or even work at all despite holding many licenses, having existing work experience, and speaking multiple languages and having multiple  technical akills that make me a usable , marketable job candidate.

After some time I finally landed a mediocre clerk job for minimum wage doing menial tasks that my remaining low vision allowed me to do with the state government.  I was avle to even snag my way into my jobs because I am partially sighted and my disability is for the most  part at least at the beginning invisible and that  allowed  me to get my job.

And Ps. They state agency had a bad work culture and high turn over and authoritarian system and probably hired me cause it was low paying basic worthless job and they hired me because the previous person who was supposed to start the job quit on the first day and wanted someone to fill the role quickly.

Enough about the job and how crappy it was and more about my experiences with why the ADA in employment screws is over.

As soon as i started I looked close to the computer and papers and they knew I was disabled  (something they did not during the process of interviewing and that is probably how I got the job in the first place cause they would not Give a job to disabled person to begin with—even if it
is more mild  like mine   Because I retain vision when looking at stuff up
close.

And, anyways, upon seeing i looked close to things, they started  to get on my butt about it to avoid liability and asked for a doctors note immediately  sent me to their “risk management division within H.R.  to deal with me—it’s funny how they call it risk management on a side note.

Anyways , I did not provide it to them because if I wanted to seek employment in  the future I don’t want and I did not want it to hold me back for promoting within my job , which I was not able to do after a while
of hard work and possessing   more credentials  than half of the
unqualified department staff.  This was likely  because  my work was seasonal and did not want to make  me a permanent state employee because of the  departments low budget ( a real fact in government and their toxic culture toward disabled people, which is influenced by the undue strictness of the ADA that is supposed  to help us).

I finally found out through my supervisor (. A young guy like me) who I respected and respected me implicitly but not directly told me that the job I interviewed for to become permanent I did not get because of my disability  and higher  management with the ultimate hiring authority not getting because of my disability and the hole I would represent in their
limited budget despite them liking me    And respecting me as an individual.



With that being said, this personal story about my experiences in employment as partially sighted low vision person  and a few other strong ones in previous and subsequent roles  I have but  won’t share because I don’t want to take too much of your time which I thank you guys for in reading in this long post IS the very reason why we need reform in this specific aspect of interpreting and enforcing the ADA employment provisions and edicts and directives.


Please I implore you guys to think about this seriously and hopefully it can get the mechanical wheels rolling h for some change that will benefit us all




Thank you guys.

You guys are literally the best community ever and I am thankful to have you guys for input when I need it and look forward to help each other grow well into the future.


Take   care
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From laurenbishop96 at icloud.com  Mon Jun 17 20:37:05 2024
From: laurenbishop96 at icloud.com (Lauren Bishop)
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2024 16:37:05 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] 
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hello,
I don’t know that reforming the ADA is necessarily the solution. I know that for blind people, the unemployment rate is really a complex issue.
One thing that I see as a big issue in the Blind community is that it seems like blind people are pushed to get several advanced degrees, but not to get the work experience to supplement those degrees. It is one thing to show your employer that you can go to school, it is a whole Nother thing to be able to show your employer that yes, despite your blindness, you can be successful in the workplace. School is seen as this safe thing, but  school will also push a blind person through the system if they are struggling.
Second, we do have other ways of getting help with accommodations besides working with our employers. However, it is getting more and more difficult to use the services. For example, I know many blind people who have active cases with vocational rehab, but those people might as well not exist unless they pick up the phone. Also , it is often not just one call, it is several calls and several fights to get voc rehab to do what they are supposed to do and help them get the tools they need to succeed in a job.
Finally, I would venture to argue that blind people don’t receive adequate support to enter employment.  I hear a lot of people say, “I don’t know what jobs are accessible to me. “Reality is, as long as you’re not driving or playing some professional sports, there is a blind person that is done the job you have. You just have to find them. A lot of people  Are pushed away from networks because they don’t want to be in an organization. Yet, you don’t have to be a part of a blindness organization to be on list. Serve such as this one. Who have done the job I am doing are the reason why I’m in the job. I’m in today. I reached out to others in similar career paths and who have actually had the same job I have, and , I was successfully hired. Did it take longer for me than my sided pears? Maybe it did, maybe it didn’t, I really don’t know. The reality is we are no different sided people in the fact that it is not what you know, but who you know. Maybe they didn’t get you the job, but that person gave you the insight to know what it means to be successful in that career. 

From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Mon Jun 17 20:37:55 2024
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2024 20:37:55 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Justice Department Secures Agreements with Texas
 Counties to Ensure Election Website Accessibility for People with
 Disabilities - U.S. Department of Justice - June 17, 2024
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https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-secures-agreements-texas-counties-ensure-election-website-accessibility
Justice Department Secures Agreements with Texas Counties to Ensure Election Website Accessibility for People with Disabilities
Office of Public Affairs
U.S. Department of Justice
June 17, 2024

Colorado, Runnels, Smith and Upton Counties Entered into Settlement Agreements to Ensure Their Election Websites Are Accessible to People with Vision or Manual Disabilities
The Justice Department announced today that the Civil Rights Division and U.S. Attorneys' Offices for the Eastern, Northern, Southern and Western Districts of Texas secured settlement agreements with Colorado County, Runnels County, Smith County and Upton County to resolve the department's findings that the counties violated Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) by maintaining election websites that discriminate against individuals with vision or manual disabilities.
"Voting in the 21st century requires that officials make their websites accessible to people with disabilities," said Assistant Attorney General Kristen Clarke of the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division. "Discriminatory barriers on election websites can prevent people with disabilities from exercising their right to vote. These agreements should send a message to state and local officials across the country about the importance of ensuring that their election websites are accessible for voters with disabilities so that they can participate equally in our democratic process."
The election websites for these four Texas counties provide essential information about how to vote, such as registration requirements, identification requirements and voting information for people with disabilities. The websites also link to other critical information, including details about early voting and voting on election day.
Under the settlement agreements, the counties agreed to make all future and existing online election content accessible to people with disabilities. The counties also agreed to hire an independent auditor to evaluate the accessibility of their election websites' content, adopt new policies and training for relevant personnel, provide notice to visitors and users of the websites to solicit comments and requests about any accessibility barriers and designate an employee to coordinate its efforts.
These four investigations are part of the department's ADA Voting Initiative, which safeguards the voting rights of individuals with disabilities. To read more about the ADA and how it applies to voting, please visit www.ada.gov/topics/voting/<http://www.ada.gov/topics/voting/>. These settlement agreements also are part of the Civil Rights Division's Tech Equity Initiative to combat disability discrimination that occurs through technology such as websites and mobile apps.



From kaybaycar at gmail.com  Tue Jun 18 14:21:16 2024
From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie A. Orozco)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2024 10:21:16 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] 
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Hi all,

I totally agree with Lauren. This is a complex issue with so many layers. It is true that the ADA has been the law of the land for almost 34 years, and it is also true that the unemployment rate of blind people has not changed. 

First, Lauren's point about work experience is spot on. Blind people are encouraged to get all the degrees, certifications, and training courses. But we do not have work experience programs like other disability groups do. (But this is not me saying that other disability groups don't have trouble with employment.) I'm saying here that entry level jobs are not accessible to us. Most blind people aren't going to work at Starbucks, in fast food, or at the mall. If a sighted person is laid off, they are going to take the first job waiting tables or selling clothes at the mall that they can find. When we get laid off, well, we don't really have those options because they aren't accessible to us and because of lack of transportation. The ADA doesn't open up jobs for us. It only provides that employers cannot discriminate against us because of our disabilities, that is, as long as we can perform the essential functions of the job and we are actually qualified for the position. But there's a huge gap between what the ADA says and opening up job opportunities for blind people. 

I think part of this solution is not legal in nature. We need to work with our blindness organizations and rehab agencies to partner with well-known companies. With our influence, these companies can learn to make their tech accessible so that blind people can find employment with the companies. We know the truth, that making things accessible is usually not as difficult as most sighted people think it is. These companies could experiment with new technology, maybe even get a grant to do this, etc, and we all win. Yes, I know it's not that simple, but at least, it's an idea, a start. 

I agree with Lauren as well in that career networks are super important for blind people. The truth is that lots of blind people are not affiliated with either organization. As much as I want everyone to be an NFB member, many blind people aren't, and some of those people enjoy very interesting careers. Some of these people would probably be interested in networking with other blind people who share their career path. Setting up a country-wide employment networking program would be tough, but it would be invaluable. 

As for legal solutions, I am only beginning my legal career in disability rights, so I have a lot to learn. I think we should start by studying what worked in the past. Which lawsuits actually initiated positive change for blind would-be employees? Which cases are setting positive precedent, and how can we expand on that precedent in the current political climate? To the original point, maybe a worthy question is, why did lawsuits in the higher education space bring about change where similar cases in the employment world did not? 

This is an interesting topic that's always in the back of my mind. As someone who was unemployed for a period of time, I feel the importance of this topic deeply and want to work to see some change in my lifetime. 

Julie



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hello,
I don’t know that reforming the ADA is necessarily the solution. I know that for blind people, the unemployment rate is really a complex issue.
One thing that I see as a big issue in the Blind community is that it seems like blind people are pushed to get several advanced degrees, but not to get the work experience to supplement those degrees. It is one thing to show your employer that you can go to school, it is a whole Nother thing to be able to show your employer that yes, despite your blindness, you can be successful in the workplace. School is seen as this safe thing, but  school will also push a blind person through the system if they are struggling.
Second, we do have other ways of getting help with accommodations besides working with our employers. However, it is getting more and more difficult to use the services. For example, I know many blind people who have active cases with vocational rehab, but those people might as well not exist unless they pick up the phone. Also , it is often not just one call, it is several calls and several fights to get voc rehab to do what they are supposed to do and help them get the tools they need to succeed in a job.
Finally, I would venture to argue that blind people don’t receive adequate support to enter employment.  I hear a lot of people say, “I don’t know what jobs are accessible to me. “Reality is, as long as you’re not driving or playing some professional sports, there is a blind person that is done the job you have. You just have to find them. A lot of people  Are pushed away from networks because they don’t want to be in an organization. Yet, you don’t have to be a part of a blindness organization to be on list. Serve such as this one. Who have done the job I am doing are the reason why I’m in the job. I’m in today. I reached out to others in similar career paths and who have actually had the same job I have, and , I was successfully hired. Did it take longer for me than my sided pears? Maybe it did, maybe it didn’t, I really don’t know. The reality is we are no different sided people in the fact that it is not what you know, but who you know. Maybe they didn’t get you the job, but that person gave you the insight to know what it means to be successful in that career. 
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From wmodnl at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 18 14:57:55 2024
From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (wmodnl wmodnl)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2024 14:57:55 +0000
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And, there's the other bigger issue, performing the basic job functions for lots of us can change at any moment with anything that's hardware software related, something that's accessible today isn't tomorrow and it's often challenging to get something symbol as a screen reader or magnification program to be allowed. Often companies will blame internal Security and they will be oppositional about specialized software on their systems.
The big area where ADA failed for not just us, is, it's all built on compromise and individual advocacy, where you I learn how to advocate, teach others as individual trailblazers. If something like Universal Design was built into the legislation, there wouldn't be so much separate equal. It's disheartening to this day, we can only for all intents and purposes use Apple products immediately out of the box with less workarounds compared to competitors like MicroSoft.
It would be great if, as part of showing your ability to perform a function of a job, you could confidently say to your employer, I’ll use a tool for this example, we’ll call it narrator because that's what's on Microsoft products, hit a couple buttons, and because of the Internet and other advanced technology, it would adapt to the environment you're in and you could do a quick demonstration of how you would perform a function of a job such as working in a database.


> On Jun 18, 2024, at 10:21 AM, Julie A. Orozco via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I totally agree with Lauren. This is a complex issue with so many layers. It is true that the ADA has been the law of the land for almost 34 years, and it is also true that the unemployment rate of blind people has not changed. 
> 
> First, Lauren's point about work experience is spot on. Blind people are encouraged to get all the degrees, certifications, and training courses. But we do not have work experience programs like other disability groups do. (But this is not me saying that other disability groups don't have trouble with employment.) I'm saying here that entry level jobs are not accessible to us. Most blind people aren't going to work at Starbucks, in fast food, or at the mall. If a sighted person is laid off, they are going to take the first job waiting tables or selling clothes at the mall that they can find. When we get laid off, well, we don't really have those options because they aren't accessible to us and because of lack of transportation. The ADA doesn't open up jobs for us. It only provides that employers cannot discriminate against us because of our disabilities, that is, as long as we can perform the essential functions of the job and we are actually qualified for the position. But there's a huge gap between what the ADA says and opening up job opportunities for blind people. 
> 
> I think part of this solution is not legal in nature. We need to work with our blindness organizations and rehab agencies to partner with well-known companies. With our influence, these companies can learn to make their tech accessible so that blind people can find employment with the companies. We know the truth, that making things accessible is usually not as difficult as most sighted people think it is. These companies could experiment with new technology, maybe even get a grant to do this, etc, and we all win. Yes, I know it's not that simple, but at least, it's an idea, a start. 
> 
> I agree with Lauren as well in that career networks are super important for blind people. The truth is that lots of blind people are not affiliated with either organization. As much as I want everyone to be an NFB member, many blind people aren't, and some of those people enjoy very interesting careers. Some of these people would probably be interested in networking with other blind people who share their career path. Setting up a country-wide employment networking program would be tough, but it would be invaluable. 
> 
> As for legal solutions, I am only beginning my legal career in disability rights, so I have a lot to learn. I think we should start by studying what worked in the past. Which lawsuits actually initiated positive change for blind would-be employees? Which cases are setting positive precedent, and how can we expand on that precedent in the current political climate? To the original point, maybe a worthy question is, why did lawsuits in the higher education space bring about change where similar cases in the employment world did not? 
> 
> This is an interesting topic that's always in the back of my mind. As someone who was unemployed for a period of time, I feel the importance of this topic deeply and want to work to see some change in my lifetime. 
> 
> Julie
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> hello,
> I don’t know that reforming the ADA is necessarily the solution. I know that for blind people, the unemployment rate is really a complex issue.
> One thing that I see as a big issue in the Blind community is that it seems like blind people are pushed to get several advanced degrees, but not to get the work experience to supplement those degrees. It is one thing to show your employer that you can go to school, it is a whole Nother thing to be able to show your employer that yes, despite your blindness, you can be successful in the workplace. School is seen as this safe thing, but  school will also push a blind person through the system if they are struggling.
> Second, we do have other ways of getting help with accommodations besides working with our employers. However, it is getting more and more difficult to use the services. For example, I know many blind people who have active cases with vocational rehab, but those people might as well not exist unless they pick up the phone. Also , it is often not just one call, it is several calls and several fights to get voc rehab to do what they are supposed to do and help them get the tools they need to succeed in a job.
> Finally, I would venture to argue that blind people don’t receive adequate support to enter employment.  I hear a lot of people say, “I don’t know what jobs are accessible to me. “Reality is, as long as you’re not driving or playing some professional sports, there is a blind person that is done the job you have. You just have to find them. A lot of people  Are pushed away from networks because they don’t want to be in an organization. Yet, you don’t have to be a part of a blindness organization to be on list. Serve such as this one. Who have done the job I am doing are the reason why I’m in the job. I’m in today. I reached out to others in similar career paths and who have actually had the same job I have, and , I was successfully hired. Did it take longer for me than my sided pears? Maybe it did, maybe it didn’t, I really don’t know. The reality is we are no different sided people in the fact that it is not what you know, but who you know. Maybe they didn’t get you the job, but that person gave you the insight to know what it means to be successful in that career. 
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From wmodnl at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 18 15:05:51 2024
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Well, and unfortunately, the other issue that does come up that we all have to address as a community, is there are people out there who may want to go the extra mile to get that initial work experience but if part of that means leaving their town or city, or state, something prevents it, opposition from family who may need to assist because of other disabilities, inability financially to relocate and most importantly, lack of infrastructure wherever opportunities are. Lots of companies wanting to expand DEI, are in public transit deserts.
With Covid it wasn’t an issue overnight everybody worked from home, but because post Covid companies have to fulfill their obligations to comply with the American outdated tax system that requires people to be in physical offices the great possible job boom where transportation wasn't a barrier during Covid is now back to the way it was pre-Covid. I know people personally, who had to make that tough choice after working remotely ended either quit there, Employment or relocate to Indiana, Arizona, Texas.


> On Jun 17, 2024, at 4:37 PM, Lauren Bishop via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> hello,
> I don’t know that reforming the ADA is necessarily the solution. I know that for blind people, the unemployment rate is really a complex issue.
> One thing that I see as a big issue in the Blind community is that it seems like blind people are pushed to get several advanced degrees, but not to get the work experience to supplement those degrees. It is one thing to show your employer that you can go to school, it is a whole Nother thing to be able to show your employer that yes, despite your blindness, you can be successful in the workplace. School is seen as this safe thing, but  school will also push a blind person through the system if they are struggling.
> Second, we do have other ways of getting help with accommodations besides working with our employers. However, it is getting more and more difficult to use the services. For example, I know many blind people who have active cases with vocational rehab, but those people might as well not exist unless they pick up the phone. Also , it is often not just one call, it is several calls and several fights to get voc rehab to do what they are supposed to do and help them get the tools they need to succeed in a job.
> Finally, I would venture to argue that blind people don’t receive adequate support to enter employment.  I hear a lot of people say, “I don’t know what jobs are accessible to me. “Reality is, as long as you’re not driving or playing some professional sports, there is a blind person that is done the job you have. You just have to find them. A lot of people  Are pushed away from networks because they don’t want to be in an organization. Yet, you don’t have to be a part of a blindness organization to be on list. Serve such as this one. Who have done the job I am doing are the reason why I’m in the job. I’m in today. I reached out to others in similar career paths and who have actually had the same job I have, and , I was successfully hired. Did it take longer for me than my sided pears? Maybe it did, maybe it didn’t, I really don’t know. The reality is we are no different sided people in the fact that it is not what you know, but who you know. Maybe they didn’t get you the job, but that person gave you the insight to know what it means to be successful in that career. 
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From PChang at nfb.org  Tue Jun 18 16:42:08 2024
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This discussion has centered around people who get higher education degrees. Let's remember that most blind people do not do so. Employment is complex but I think it starts with high expectations for all of us. 



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Well, and unfortunately, the other issue that does come up that we all have to address as a community, is there are people out there who may want to go the extra mile to get that initial work experience but if part of that means leaving their town or city, or state, something prevents it, opposition from family who may need to assist because of other disabilities, inability financially to relocate and most importantly, lack of infrastructure wherever opportunities are. Lots of companies wanting to expand DEI, are in public transit deserts.
With Covid it wasn’t an issue overnight everybody worked from home, but because post Covid companies have to fulfill their obligations to comply with the American outdated tax system that requires people to be in physical offices the great possible job boom where transportation wasn't a barrier during Covid is now back to the way it was pre-Covid. I know people personally, who had to make that tough choice after working remotely ended either quit there, Employment or relocate to Indiana, Arizona, Texas.


> On Jun 17, 2024, at 4:37 PM, Lauren Bishop via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> hello,
> I don’t know that reforming the ADA is necessarily the solution. I know that for blind people, the unemployment rate is really a complex issue.
> One thing that I see as a big issue in the Blind community is that it seems like blind people are pushed to get several advanced degrees, but not to get the work experience to supplement those degrees. It is one thing to show your employer that you can go to school, it is a whole Nother thing to be able to show your employer that yes, despite your blindness, you can be successful in the workplace. School is seen as this safe thing, but  school will also push a blind person through the system if they are struggling.
> Second, we do have other ways of getting help with accommodations besides working with our employers. However, it is getting more and more difficult to use the services. For example, I know many blind people who have active cases with vocational rehab, but those people might as well not exist unless they pick up the phone. Also , it is often not just one call, it is several calls and several fights to get voc rehab to do what they are supposed to do and help them get the tools they need to succeed in a job.
> Finally, I would venture to argue that blind people don’t receive adequate support to enter employment.  I hear a lot of people say, “I don’t know what jobs are accessible to me. “Reality is, as long as you’re not driving or playing some professional sports, there is a blind person that is done the job you have. You just have to find them. A lot of people  Are pushed away from networks because they don’t want to be in an organization. Yet, you don’t have to be a part of a blindness organization to be on list. Serve such as this one. Who have done the job I am doing are the reason why I’m in the job. I’m in today. I reached out to others in similar career paths and who have actually had the same job I have, and , I was successfully hired. Did it take longer for me than my sided pears? Maybe it did, maybe it didn’t, I really don’t know. The reality is we are no different sided people in the fact that it is not what you know, but who you know. Maybe they didn’t get you the job, but that person gave you the insight to know what it means to be successful in that career. 
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From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 18 19:31:31 2024
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2024 15:31:31 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] Registration for the 2024  NABL Convention Meeting
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Hello everyone. Hope all of you are doing well. I would like to register for this year’s NABL Convention  meeting online by accessing the NABL website. However, the site only   shows me last year’s NABL registration information, not the latest one.  I was reading the NFB agenda and I click on the site’s link that    was provided on it. Or do I need to wait until July to register? Just wondering. I will really appreciate any help you can provide me.  I look forward to hear from you soon. Thanks so much for reading!
Helga Schreiber 
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From rothmanjd at gmail.com  Tue Jun 18 19:58:32 2024
From: rothmanjd at gmail.com (Ronza Othman)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2024 14:58:32 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Registration for the 2024  NABL Convention Meeting
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We are finalizing   the registration platform and it should be up in the next couple of days.
Ronza Othman, President
National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
443-426-4110
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 18, 2024, at 2:32 PM, Helga Schreiber via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone. Hope all of you are doing well. I would like to register for this year’s NABL Convention  meeting online by accessing the NABL website. However, the site only   shows me last year’s NABL registration information, not the latest one.  I was reading the NFB agenda and I click on the site’s link that    was provided on it. Or do I need to wait until July to register? Just wondering. I will really appreciate any help you can provide me.  I look forward to hear from you soon. Thanks so much for reading!
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From christinebusanelli at gmail.com  Wed Jun 19 15:44:09 2024
From: christinebusanelli at gmail.com (Christine Busanelli)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2024 10:44:09 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Problems with NCBE/Pierson Vue on MPRE
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Received this week from the DOJ regarding a complaint I filed previously
regarding failure to accommodate/harassment/discrimination/retaliation
(vision disability) on the MPRE (twice) by NCBE and Pierson Vue.

“My name is Justin Page, and I am an Assistant U.S. Attorney in Minnesota.
Our office is investigating several disability discrimination complaints
against Pearson Vue.  I am following up with you regarding the civil rights
complaint that you filed with the U.S. Department of Justice on June 13,
2023…”

From glnorman15 at hotmail.com  Wed Jun 19 17:19:36 2024
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Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2024 17:19:36 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] FW: A Courtesy Message from the Maryland Office of the
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From christinebusanelli at gmail.com  Fri Jun 21 12:12:25 2024
From: christinebusanelli at gmail.com (Christine Busanelli)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2024 07:12:25 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] DOJ contact NCBE/Pierson Vue (MPRE)
Message-ID: <CACYGDrCxOZx0BnErKK3AFMi9WJ6OoWutYgu2B8zJJMnECoa-BQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello, I posted earlier this week that the Department of Justice (DOJ)
reached out to me about a complaint I filed against the above entities for
violations under the Americans with Disabilities Act.

I’ve had a couple folks here reach out to me, and I forwarded their
information to the investigator at the DOJ, per their request, and the DOJ
investigator was very grateful to receive it and plans to reach out
accordingly.

If you feel your rights have been violated by NCBE/Pierson Vue regarding
the MPRE, please feel free to contact me and I will share your contact
information with the DOJ.

Here’s what I posted (here) earlier this week:

Received this week from the DOJ regarding a complaint I filed previously
regarding failure to accommodate/harassment/discrimination/retaliation
(vision disability) on the MPRE (twice) by NCBE and Pierson Vue.

“My name is Justin Page, and I am an Assistant U.S. Attorney in Minnesota.
Our office is investigating several disability discrimination complaints
against Pearson Vue.  I am following up with you regarding the civil rights
complaint that you filed with the U.S. Department of Justice on June 13,
2023…”

From rothmanjd at gmail.com  Tue Jun 25 20:51:26 2024
From: rothmanjd at gmail.com (rothmanjd at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2024 16:51:26 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] Previous Mock Trial Recordings - Support Scott C.
 Labarre Leadership and Justice Fund
Message-ID: <049401dac741$729303d0$57b90b70$@gmail.com>

Friends,

As you may be aware, the Mock Trial is an event the National Association of
Blind Lawyers holds annually in connection with each NFB convention.  This
was the brainchild of our long-time past President, Scott Labarre, who
always served in one of the mock trial roles.  The mock trial takes a
blindness related legal issue and, through improvisation and creativity,
blind lawyers and other Federation actors bring the story to life, often
with hilarious results.

 

A curated selection of previous NABL mock trials is available for purchase,
so if you missed your chance last year or you'd like to give someone this
creative gift, now's your chance.  Scott Labarre chose them himself prior to
his passing.  These recordings feature Federation lawyers, including Scott
Labarre, Charlie Brown, and many others in a variety of roles.  

 

Proceeds will go to the Scott C. Labarre Leadership and Justice Fund. The
recordings cost $20 if paying with cash on-site and $22 per person for all
other methods including online.

 

These recordings will be available via download, or for those attending the
NFB Convention in person who prefer, via flash drive. 

 

Individuals can purchase the recordings in one of three ways:

*	Online by visiting: https://www.blindlawyers.net
*	Visiting Lisa Bonderson at the NABL registration table outside of
the NABL Annual Meeting on July 5 from 1 - 4:30PM (Rosen Center Hotel Salon
9)
*	Visiting Ronza Othman during General Sessions at the Maryland
delegation flag  

 

Those with questions or who need additional information should contact NABL
President Ronza Othman at Rothmanjd at gmail.com <mailto:Rothmanjd at gmail.com>
or 708-829-0523.

 

Thank you for your support! 

 

Ronza Othman, President

National Federation of the Blind of Maryland

443-426-4110

Pronouns: she, her, hers

 

The National Federation of the Blind of Maryland knows that blindness is not
the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
blindness is not what holds you back

 


From rothmanjd at gmail.com  Tue Jun 25 21:03:02 2024
From: rothmanjd at gmail.com (rothmanjd at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2024 17:03:02 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] NABL 2024 Annual Meeting Information, Registration, Dues,
 and Agenda
Message-ID: <04a701dac743$118c8910$34a59b30$@gmail.com>

Please join the National Association of Blind Lawyers for our 2024 Annual
Meeting on July 5, 2024 from 1 - 6:30PM Eastern Time, including our
networking reception.  Attendees may join in person at the Rosen Center
Hotel, Salon 9, or via the Zoom link on the agenda.  Continuing Legal
Education credit is only available for in-person attendees.

 

The Networking Reception will take place in Salon 6, and only those with
tickets may participate.  Those who register for the Annual Meeting will
receive a ticket to the Networking Reception.

 

The agenda is pasted below, attached, and available online at
https://blindlawyers.net.

 

Register today online by visiting

https://blindlawyers.net

 

You can also register in person at the meeting.

 

Below is the price list:

*	Regular Annual Meeting Registration and Dues: $26 (Those paying with
cash will receive a $1 discount)
*	Student Annual Registration and Dues: $6 (Those paying with cash
will receive a $1 discount)
*	CLE Materials: $26 (Those paying with cash will receive a $1
discount)
*	Regular Registration, Dues, and CLE Bundle: $52 (Those paying with
cash will receive a $2 discount)

 

Please note: Continuing Legal Education credit will be available for
in-person attendees only.

 

AGENDA

NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND LAWYERS

2024 ANNUAL MEETING

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Friday, July 5, 2024

Salon 9

Rosen Center Hotel

Orlando, Florida

 

Join Zoom Meeting

 
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Note:  This meeting is taking place in U.S. Eastern Time.

 

1:00 PM     WELCOME, LOGISTICS, & INTRODUCTIONS

Ronza Othman, President, NABL; Baltimore, Maryland

 

1:20 PM     CHANGES COMING TO THE LSAT & BAR EXAM

Sanho Steele-Louchart, Attorney and Legal Program Coordinator, NFB; Battle
Creek, Michigan

Denise Avant, Governor, American Bar Association Board of Governors;
Chicago, Illinois

 

1:35 PM     THE LAW SCHOOL EXPERIENCE: BEYOND THE LECTURE HALL

Moderator: Elizabeth Rouse, Board Member, NABL; Durant, Iowa

Rose Warner, Rising 4L, University of Denver Sturm College of Law; Denver,
Colorado

Julie A. Orozco, JD, Intern, Neighborhood Legal Services Program of
Washington, DC; Arlington, Virginia

James Fetter, Associate, Kahn, Swick, & Foti; North Canton, Ohio

Kyra Sweeney, Staff Attorney, Health Law Advocates; Boston, Massachusetts

 

2:05 PM     FIGHTING FOR DEMOCRACY: ACCESS FOR VOTERS WITH DISABILITIES

Moderator: Eve Hill, General Counsel, NFB and Partner, Brown Goldstein &
Levy; Baltimore, Maryland

Norma Crosby, NFB Treasurer; President, NFB of Texas; Alvin, Texas

Tracy Soforenko, NFB Board Member; President, NFB of Virginia; Arlington,
Virginia

 

2:40 PM     ABLE ACCOUNTS: WHAT LAWYERS NEED TO KNOW

John Finch, Director, ABLE United; Tallahassee, Florida

 

3:10 PM     BREAK

 

3:20 PM     ADVANCING THE RIGHTS OF THE BLIND AND OTHERS WITH DISABILITIES:
A Survey of NFB Litigation

Eve Hill, General Counsel, NFB; Partner, Brown Goldstein & Levy; Baltimore,
Maryland

 

3:50 PM     BE COUNTED: LAWYERS WITH DISABILITIES IN THE LEGAL PROFESSION

Ronza Othman, President, National Association of Blind Lawyers; Advisor, ABA
Commission on Disability; Baltimore, Maryland

 

4:00 PM     NON-TRADITIONAL CAREERS FOR LAWYERS

Patti Chang, Director of Outreach, NFB; Chicago, Illinois

Greg Trapp, Executive Director, New Mexico Commission for the Blind;
Albuquerque, New Mexico

 

4:20 PM     ANNUAL BUSINESS MEETING

 

4:30 PM     ADJOURN TO RECEPTION

 

Join us for cocktails and hors d'oeuvres in Salon 6 as we celebrate the
progress of our organization.  Network and meet your fellow blind attorneys
and legal professionals.  We thank Jackson Walker LLP for sponsoring our
annual meeting and networking reception!   

 

 

Ronza Othman, President

National Federation of the Blind of Maryland

443-426-4110

Pronouns: she, her, hers

 

The National Federation of the Blind of Maryland knows that blindness is not
the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
blindness is not what holds you back

 

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From rothmanjd at gmail.com  Tue Jun 25 21:06:29 2024
From: rothmanjd at gmail.com (rothmanjd at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2024 17:06:29 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] 2024 Mock Trial: Get Your Tickets Today!
Message-ID: <04b301dac743$8d392640$a7ab72c0$@gmail.com>

Join the National Association of Blind Lawyers for our 24th Mock Trial.
Federation lawyers oppose each other to enact a case addressing the civil
rights of blind people, and the audience serves as the jury. The subject
matter is serious, but the courtroom portrayers are very entertaining.
Admission is $6 per person for online payments and on-site credit card
payments.  Those who pay on-site with cash will receive a $1 discount.  

 

The Mock Trial will take place on July 4, 2024 at 4:15PM or after
Resolutions Committee adjournment, whichever is later.  

 

Get your tickets online today by visiting:

https://www.blindlawyers.net

 

 

Ronza Othman, President

National Federation of the Blind of Maryland

443-426-4110

Pronouns: she, her, hers

 

The National Federation of the Blind of Maryland knows that blindness is not
the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
blindness is not what holds you back

 


From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Fri Jun 28 17:34:55 2024
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2024 17:34:55 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Ed Department: More States Failing To Meet Special
 Education Requirements - Disability Scoop - June 28, 2024
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https://www.disabilityscoop.com/2024/06/28/ed-department-more-states-failing-to-meet-special-education-requirements/30942/
Ed Department: More States Failing To Meet Special Education Requirements
By Michelle Diament
Disability Scoop
June 28, 2024

States are increasingly struggling to meet their obligations under the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act, with federal officials labeling a growing number of states as deficient multiple years in a row.
The U.S. Department of Education says that the performance of only 20 states "meets requirements" for serving students with disabilities ages 3 to 21 under federal special education law. The agency deemed all other states as "needs assistance," with most having earned that label for at least two years in a row.
Under IDEA, the Education Department is required to assess how well each state provides special education services annually and assign it to one of four categories: meets requirements, needs assistance, needs intervention and needs substantial intervention.
The determinations released this month are based on a review of the 2022-2023 school year.
Among states that were found to need assistance, 25 and Washington, D.C. have received the designation for two or more years consecutively, the Education Department said. That's three more states than last year.
Failing to achieve the status of "meets requirements" for multiple years is significant. Under the law, the Education Department must take enforcement action, which can include requiring the state to access technical assistance or directing funds to the areas deemed inadequate, among other things.
No states were labeled "needs intervention" or "needs substantial intervention."
The states that did satisfy the "meets requirements" standard were Alabama, Connecticut, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Texas, Virginia, Washington, Wisconsin and Wyoming.
A separate evaluation of programs serving infants and toddlers with disabilities through age 2 designated 29 states as "meets requirements." Two states were labeled "needs intervention" and the remaining ones were placed in the "needs assistance" category.
The Education Department said that it will release more detailed information about each state's performance in August.




From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov  Fri Jun 28 21:46:51 2024
From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel)
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2024 21:46:51 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Federal Court Website Accessibility Lawsuit Filings Took
 a Dip in 2023 - Seyfarth Shaw LLP - June 14, 2024
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https://www.adatitleiii.com/2024/06/federal-court-website-accessibility-lawsuit-filings-took-a-dip-in-2023/
Federal Court Website Accessibility Lawsuit Filings Took a Dip in 2023
By Kristina M. Launey & Minh N. Vu
Seyfarth Shaw LLP
June 14, 2024
POSTED IN ADA TITLE III, FEDERAL COURT, WEBSITE
Seyfarth Synopsis: Plaintiffs filed 2,794 website accessibility lawsuits in federal court in 2023 - a 14% decrease from 2022.
After 2022's record-setting year for website accessibility lawsuits filed in federal court, the 2023 filings dropped by 14%.  The total number of lawsuits filed in federal court alleging that plaintiffs with a disability could not use websites because they were not designed to be accessible and/or work with assistive technologies in 2023 was 2,794-461 fewer than 2022. This 14% decrease in the number of lawsuits in 2023 takes us below even 2021 filing totals, but still above the total number of lawsuits filed in 2020 (and any year prior).
Website accessibility lawsuits made up 34 percent of the total number of ADA Title III lawsuits filed in federal court in 2023 (2794 out of 8227 cases).  In 2022, website accessibility lawsuits made up 37 percent of all the ADA Title III lawsuits filed in federal court (3225 out of 8694 cases).  Also, as shown in the graph below, the number of filings per month ranged from a low of 162 cases in December to a high of 308 cases in August.
New York federal courts continued to be the busiest by a wide margin, with Florida retaining the #2 position, and Pennsylvania slotting in as #3.  Illinois passed California for the #4 spot. New York federal courts saw 2,152 lawsuits filed in 2023 (continuing a solid trend of 2,560 in 2022, 2,074 in 2021, 1,694 in 2020, 1,354 in 2019, and 1,564 in 2018).  Florida was a distant second with 385 lawsuits, up from 310 in 2022.  California federal courts saw only 30 lawsuits in 2023, down from 126 in 2022.  Pennsylvania came in at 143 in 2023.
If you're wondering why California has so few website accessibility cases relative to New York, it is likely because judges in New York federal courts - with a few exceptions - have historically been more favorable toward plaintiffs, especially when the defendant is an online-only business.  Although the Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit has yet to decide whether online-only businesses are covered by the ADA, most district court judges in New York to have addressed the issue have concluded that they are.
In contrast, in California, both federal and state courts of appeals have reached the conclusion that online only businesses are not covered by the ADA, making it virtually impossible for plaintiffs to sue online-only businesses for accessibility violations.  Thus, we predict fewer website accessibility cases in both California state and federal courts in the future.  That said, in our practice we continue to see a significant numbers of demand letters, and lawsuits filed in California state courts, which are not included in our federal lawsuit numbers.
Why was there an overall decrease in the number of website accessibility lawsuits filed in federal courts throughout the country last year?  While there is no way to know for certain, we think there are at least four factors in play.
First, and most significantly, we noticed that a number of plaintiffs' firms responsible for historically significant numbers of filings started filing website accessibility lawsuits in state courts in NY, NJ, and PA in 2023, instead of federal court.  Since these filings are difficult to track, it may well be that the total number of website accessibility lawsuits increased year-over-year when accounting for state court filings.
Second, some of the plaintiffs' lawyers who used to file a substantial number of these lawsuits seem to be less active in this space.
Third, more businesses are making website accessibility a priority, and so perhaps websites are more accessible than they were five years ago.
Fourth, many businesses have already been sued over the accessibility of the websites at least once and are potentially more likely to push back with the assistance of their consultants and/or counsel, providing something of a disincentive to serial ADA filers.
In August 2023, the U.S. Department of Justice issued new regulations under Title II of the ADA requiring websites and mobile apps of state and local governments to conform to the Web Content Accessibility Guidelines version 2.1, Level AA (WCAG 2.1 AA) within two or three years, depending on their size.  Will these new rules impact the number of website accessibility lawsuits filed against public accommodations?  We think it's unlikely.  Will the DOJ issue regulations in the near future covering the websites and mobile apps of public accommodations?  We think this too is unlikely, and any proposed regulations would most certainly be halted if there is a change in administration.
The bottom line is that lawsuits alleging inaccessible websites will continue to be a significant percentage of the ADA Title III filings in federal court for the indefinite future, particularly because the requirements for an accessible website continue to evolve.  While federal government agencies only have to comply with WCAG 2.0 AA to be accessible, the DOJ adopted the more stringent WCAG 2.1 AA as a legally binding accessibility standard for state and local governments in August 2023.  Just a few months later, the World Wide Web Consortium (WC3) issued WCAG 2.2 AA which added a number of new requirements.  And then just a month ago W3C issued a first draft of WCAG 3.0.  Version 3.0 is a total revamp of the guidelines and, per the WC3, is "a new model and guidelines to make web content and applications accessible to people with disabilities."
About our methodology:  Our 2023 numbers are based on searches using keywords of data from the Courthouse News Services.  Thus, it is possible that there are some website accessibility cases that were not captured in the searches if their descriptions did not include the keywords.  We then review the thousands of entries manually to remove lawsuits that may be about websites but are not about a website's accessibility to a user with a disability.



From oduncan821 at gmail.com  Sat Jun 29 17:40:07 2024
From: oduncan821 at gmail.com (omar duncan)
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2024 10:40:07 -0700
Subject: [blindLaw] Writing sample LSAT remote proctoring
Message-ID: <CAO+t8U1n=s=eDz2ARbAuHs62BSm1Yx45uhq7oYmEQ0wup=YnVA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi guys happy weekend


I am doing LSAT writing sample test  now.

It is proctored on proctor U and the proctors  are incredibly idiotic,
especially when dealing with visually impaired, and their system has
problems.

Has anyone taken remotely proctored writing sample lsat test on proctor U
and encountered difficulties in general without or without Proctor U
administering it.


Those people acknowledge I am visually impaired but somehow expect  a low
vision person  to sit back “  in frame” like 10 feet away from the monitor
as if a normally sighted person would.  It is necessary to look close and
be out of  frame due to vision difficulty.


the bar for human stupidity just got lowered immensely 10th fold after that
acknowledgment but expecting to look a million feet a way from the camera
when being vision impaired.

Any feedback on experiences is appreciated

Best,
Brian