From jeffjayjohnston at gmail.com  Wed May  1 15:22:17 2024
From: jeffjayjohnston at gmail.com (J Johnston)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2024 08:22:17 -0700
Subject: [blindLaw] Reviewing and accepting revisions in Google Docs
 with JAWS: relinquishing a task
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Hello Rahul,

Did you get any helpful responses?  Like you, I have found Google Docs
disappointing and frustrating.

One tip I can pass along is that NVDA works better than JAWS on this
platform and that (ironically) Firefox works better than Google Chrome.

Best,
Jay


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Subject: [blindLaw] Reviewing and accepting revisions in Google Docs with
JAWS: relinquishing a task

Hi All,

I had rafted a pleading which the client has heavily edited in track form in
Google Docs. While I am comfortable reviewing revisions in track mode in MS
Word, I am not able to do this very well in Google Docs. The reasons for
this are twofold. First, the keystrokes for interacting with revisions in
Google Docs do not work very well in Google Docs and, second, because JAWS
acts sluggishly while interacting with Google Docs. I therefore had to
relinquish the task because my senior felt - and justifiably so -  that me
accepting the revisions in Word and then him having to transpose that in
Google Docs would double the effort.

Could you please help me build my capacity to better use track changes and
comments in Google Docs? Specifically, could anyone who is conversant in
using these features in Google Docs connect with me, please?

Warmly,

Rahul


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From glnorman15 at hotmail.com  Wed May  1 15:49:23 2024
From: glnorman15 at hotmail.com (GL Norman)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2024 15:49:23 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] See RFI/Proposed R.? TSA Forms Travel This is critical.
 Call to action.
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Friends:
See the attached. A public comment has been issued with a limited time in which to respond.
Not a shock, the forms will remain - with stupidity I argue - and indeed seem somewhat worse in nature. Shocking for an Administration that has done a good job on DEIA issues to have a Department foisting this on passengers.
What should the "next steps" be?
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From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com  Wed May  1 18:53:14 2024
From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2024 00:23:14 +0530
Subject: [blindLaw] Reviewing and accepting revisions in Google Docs
 with JAWS: relinquishing a task
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References: <CADFycPaajAceFXmPT8pRd+5gVytO0+iS6BVrk9KZBJ2tT5478A@mail.gmail.com>
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1. no other responses.
2. can try nvda. does it work well with revisions and comments in firefox?
which keystrokes work well for this purpose?

Rahul

On Wed, 1 May 2024 at 20:52, J Johnston <jeffjayjohnston at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Rahul,
>
> Did you get any helpful responses?  Like you, I have found Google Docs
> disappointing and frustrating.
>
> One tip I can pass along is that NVDA works better than JAWS on this
> platform and that (ironically) Firefox works better than Google Chrome.
>
> Best,
> Jay
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj via
> BlindLaw
> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2024 3:26 AM
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> Cc: Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [blindLaw] Reviewing and accepting revisions in Google Docs with
> JAWS: relinquishing a task
>
> Hi All,
>
> I had rafted a pleading which the client has heavily edited in track form
> in
> Google Docs. While I am comfortable reviewing revisions in track mode in MS
> Word, I am not able to do this very well in Google Docs. The reasons for
> this are twofold. First, the keystrokes for interacting with revisions in
> Google Docs do not work very well in Google Docs and, second, because JAWS
> acts sluggishly while interacting with Google Docs. I therefore had to
> relinquish the task because my senior felt - and justifiably so -  that me
> accepting the revisions in Word and then him having to transpose that in
> Google Docs would double the effort.
>
> Could you please help me build my capacity to better use track changes and
> comments in Google Docs? Specifically, could anyone who is conversant in
> using these features in Google Docs connect with me, please?
>
> Warmly,
>
> Rahul
>
>
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> --
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From jeffjayjohnston at gmail.com  Wed May  1 20:37:17 2024
From: jeffjayjohnston at gmail.com (J Johnston)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2024 13:37:17 -0700
Subject: [blindLaw] Reviewing and accepting revisions in Google Docs
 with JAWS: relinquishing a task
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NVDA with Firefox is how I was taught to access Google Docs: JAWS and Chrome/Edge is less accessible.

I am not sure about shortcut keys; sorry.  I try to avoid Google Docs and track changes by instead using Word’s electronic comments.  You are better off than me if you are handy at dealing with track changes in Word.

 

Please post back if you learn an effective way of addressing this.

 

Best,

Jay

 

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Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2024 11:53 AM
To: J Johnston <jeffjayjohnston at gmail.com>
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1. no other responses.

2. can try nvda. does it work well with revisions and comments in firefox? which keystrokes work well for this purpose?

 

Rahul

 

On Wed, 1 May 2024 at 20:52, J Johnston <jeffjayjohnston at gmail.com <mailto:jeffjayjohnston at gmail.com> > wrote:

Hello Rahul,

Did you get any helpful responses?  Like you, I have found Google Docs
disappointing and frustrating.

One tip I can pass along is that NVDA works better than JAWS on this
platform and that (ironically) Firefox works better than Google Chrome.

Best,
Jay


-----Original Message-----
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Subject: [blindLaw] Reviewing and accepting revisions in Google Docs with
JAWS: relinquishing a task

Hi All,

I had rafted a pleading which the client has heavily edited in track form in
Google Docs. While I am comfortable reviewing revisions in track mode in MS
Word, I am not able to do this very well in Google Docs. The reasons for
this are twofold. First, the keystrokes for interacting with revisions in
Google Docs do not work very well in Google Docs and, second, because JAWS
acts sluggishly while interacting with Google Docs. I therefore had to
relinquish the task because my senior felt - and justifiably so -  that me
accepting the revisions in Word and then him having to transpose that in
Google Docs would double the effort.

Could you please help me build my capacity to better use track changes and
comments in Google Docs? Specifically, could anyone who is conversant in
using these features in Google Docs connect with me, please?

Warmly,

Rahul


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From kaybaycar at gmail.com  Fri May  3 18:34:55 2024
From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie A. Orozco)
Date: Fri, 3 May 2024 14:34:55 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] Accessibility of Clio and Housing Law Investigations
Message-ID: <022201da9d88$a496cbb0$edc46310$@gmail.com>

Good afternoon everyone,

 

I am including two separate questions in this email. First, I am starting a
summer position with a legal services organization that uses Clio as their
case management system. How accessible is Clio? What should I expect in
terms of a learning curve? I use Jaws and have never worked with Clio
before. 

 

Second, this position will give me some experience with housing law,
including conducting investigations. I have never done this kind of work
before, though I have some experience providing direct legal services
through my university's law clinic. I am afraid of running into a situation
where clients are sending me pictures, I have to use a lot of visual
evidence to make decisions about cases, etc. I am also just nervous because
this is my first job outside of school, and I know I have a lot to learn. 

 

Thanks for any experience and advice,

 

Julie

 


From abhishekdhol at gmail.com  Sat May  4 12:54:08 2024
From: abhishekdhol at gmail.com (Abhishek Dhol)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2024 13:54:08 +0100
Subject: [blindLaw] Accessibility of Clio and Housing Law
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Dear Julie,



This is in response to your email about Clio’s accessibility and housing
law. I hope that this response finds you well.


I unfortunately cannot give you an answer to your second question as I
don’t have the requisite knowledge or experience. However, I hope that what
I have to say about my own experience with Clio might be of some assistance
to you.



1.      I am in the third and final year of my law degree in the
jurisdiction of England and Wales (what you’d call a ‘2L’ in the United
States).

2.      I use NVDA rather than JAWS. Please take this into account in
reading my answer to your question.

3.      An attempt—which was aborted very quickly—was made to get me to use
Clio for a law clinic experience working on British immigration and asylum
law, where the clinic had been using Clio for a while, but had never had a
blind student.

4.      It was soon discovered, shortly after I began my clinic experience,
that an accessibility barrier, in conjunction with a rule/restriction it
wasn’t possible to get around, would prevent me from using Clio.

5.      For data protection reasons, clinic students can never download
documents off of the Clio server onto any device,  but have to open it in
online mode/in the cloud.

6.      However we tried to get me to scroll using keyboard keys—page
up/down, up/down arrow—NVDA couldn’t access the button which would allow me
to open the document in the cloud, but would skip straight passed it,
meaning that my independence would have been compromised to a ridiculous
extent: a sighted person would have to click for me to open the document.

7.      For this reason, my clinic case materials were moved onto
SharePoint—which is the platform I have been using for my clinic work all
year—where the same restriction could be enforced accessibly.

8.      An enquiry was made to Clio back in August 2023 asking about their
accessibility with NVDA. The response received at the time was that they
didn’t know.

9.      I know that this doesn’t seem very encouraging, which is why I hope
that someone with JAWS usage may have had a different experience which they
will recount, but I am mentioning my experience for what it is worth, with
the hope that it might be somewhat helpful, and that things have hopefully
changed for the better.



Regards,

-Abhishek Dhol (he/him)

Third Year Bachelor of Laws (LLB) student – Queen Mary University of London
| Student Advisor at the University of London Refugee Law Clinic

Email:-

Personal - abhishekdhol at gmail.com

Official - a.dhol at hss21.qmul.ac.uk

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> Seattle University Law School Dean Anthony Varona. After more than three
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> from scholars and experts?the Task Force found ?[T]he traditional bar exam
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> Date: Fri, 3 May 2024 14:34:55 -0400
> From: "Julie A. Orozco" <kaybaycar at gmail.com>
> To: "'Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [blindLaw] Accessibility of Clio and Housing Law
>         Investigations
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> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
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> Good afternoon everyone,
>
>
>
> I am including two separate questions in this email. First, I am starting a
> summer position with a legal services organization that uses Clio as their
> case management system. How accessible is Clio? What should I expect in
> terms of a learning curve? I use Jaws and have never worked with Clio
> before.
>
>
>
> Second, this position will give me some experience with housing law,
> including conducting investigations. I have never done this kind of work
> before, though I have some experience providing direct legal services
> through my university's law clinic. I am afraid of running into a situation
> where clients are sending me pictures, I have to use a lot of visual
> evidence to make decisions about cases, etc. I am also just nervous because
> this is my first job outside of school, and I know I have a lot to learn.
>
>
>
> Thanks for any experience and advice,
>
>
>
> Julie
>
>
>
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From marinamrake at gmail.com  Sat May  4 14:46:12 2024
From: marinamrake at gmail.com (Marina Rake)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2024 09:46:12 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Accommodations with LSAT Writing
Message-ID: <909DF3E0-8797-4495-8963-A81B2943FB10@gmail.com>

Hello,

Has anyone experienced accessibility issues with getting logged in and set up with the remote proctor for LSAT Writing? I have tested using Voiceover on my Mac with practice exams, and the actual testing platform seems to work fine. Going through the steps to get the screen sharing and video set up correctly is where I am getting stuck. Could it be more a technical problem?

Thanks all for any assistance!

Marina

From tim at timeldermusic.com  Mon May  6 16:59:43 2024
From: tim at timeldermusic.com (tim at timeldermusic.com)
Date: Mon, 6 May 2024 09:59:43 -0700
Subject: [blindLaw] Accessibility of Clio and Housing Law
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References: <mailman.55.1714824002.16741.blindlaw_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
 <CAPT-RkybsP9c4A+ZdpRzpbg5zV+Bso0DOz241CO4LuDCq8Xu-w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <056101da9fd6$cb128fe0$6137afa0$@timeldermusic.com>

A couple thoughts:

Clio is mostly usable for timekeeping purposes with JAWS.  That said, I prefer the efficiency of keeping time records in Excel and importing a template spreadsheet into Clio each month.  I can do it in Clio if I must.

My firm does not use Clios document storage system.  My memory is that it needs to sync with another stand alone cloud document storage system.  I suspect it wouldn't be an economical replacement for SharePoint and thus there would always be a work around outside of Clio's document viewing interface.  I certainly wouldn't let Clio hold my client documents hostage without having a copy or original library stored somewhere else or an ability to do advanced collaboration on drafting in OneDrive or Dropbox.  Maybe I am wrong about the current state of the cost of this service.


-----Original Message-----
From: Abhishek Dhol <abhishekdhol at gmail.com> 
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2024 5:54 AM
To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Accessibility of Clio and Housing Law

Dear Julie,



This is in response to your email about Clio’s accessibility and housing law. I hope that this response finds you well.


I unfortunately cannot give you an answer to your second question as I don’t have the requisite knowledge or experience. However, I hope that what I have to say about my own experience with Clio might be of some assistance to you.



1.      I am in the third and final year of my law degree in the
jurisdiction of England and Wales (what you’d call a ‘2L’ in the United States).

2.      I use NVDA rather than JAWS. Please take this into account in
reading my answer to your question.

3.      An attempt—which was aborted very quickly—was made to get me to use
Clio for a law clinic experience working on British immigration and asylum law, where the clinic had been using Clio for a while, but had never had a blind student.

4.      It was soon discovered, shortly after I began my clinic experience,
that an accessibility barrier, in conjunction with a rule/restriction it wasn’t possible to get around, would prevent me from using Clio.

5.      For data protection reasons, clinic students can never download
documents off of the Clio server onto any device,  but have to open it in online mode/in the cloud.

6.      However we tried to get me to scroll using keyboard keys—page
up/down, up/down arrow—NVDA couldn’t access the button which would allow me to open the document in the cloud, but would skip straight passed it, meaning that my independence would have been compromised to a ridiculous
extent: a sighted person would have to click for me to open the document.

7.      For this reason, my clinic case materials were moved onto
SharePoint—which is the platform I have been using for my clinic work all year—where the same restriction could be enforced accessibly.

8.      An enquiry was made to Clio back in August 2023 asking about their
accessibility with NVDA. The response received at the time was that they didn’t know.

9.      I know that this doesn’t seem very encouraging, which is why I hope
that someone with JAWS usage may have had a different experience which they will recount, but I am mentioning my experience for what it is worth, with the hope that it might be somewhat helpful, and that things have hopefully changed for the better.



Regards,

-Abhishek Dhol (he/him)

Third Year Bachelor of Laws (LLB) student – Queen Mary University of London
| Student Advisor at the University of London Refugee Law Clinic

Email:-

Personal - abhishekdhol at gmail.com

Official - a.dhol at hss21.qmul.ac.uk

Phone: +44 (0) 7933 2425 28

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/abhishek-dhol-b67612218/
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>
>
>
> These pathways were recommended by the Washington Bar Licensure Task 
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> After more than three years of extensive study?bringing together data 
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> Join members of the Task Force for a 90-minute session to learn more 
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> public while increasing availability of legal services.
>
>
>
> Faculty:
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>
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> Date: Fri, 3 May 2024 14:34:55 -0400
> From: "Julie A. Orozco" <kaybaycar at gmail.com>
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> Subject: [blindLaw] Accessibility of Clio and Housing Law
>         Investigations
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> Good afternoon everyone,
>
>
>
> I am including two separate questions in this email. First, I am 
> starting a summer position with a legal services organization that 
> uses Clio as their case management system. How accessible is Clio? 
> What should I expect in terms of a learning curve? I use Jaws and have 
> never worked with Clio before.
>
>
>
> Second, this position will give me some experience with housing law, 
> including conducting investigations. I have never done this kind of 
> work before, though I have some experience providing direct legal 
> services through my university's law clinic. I am afraid of running 
> into a situation where clients are sending me pictures, I have to use 
> a lot of visual evidence to make decisions about cases, etc. I am also 
> just nervous because this is my first job outside of school, and I know I have a lot to learn.
>
>
>
> Thanks for any experience and advice,
>
>
>
> Julie
>
>
>
>
>
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From glnorman15 at hotmail.com  Tue May  7 20:24:01 2024
From: glnorman15 at hotmail.com (GL Norman)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2024 20:24:01 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] FW: GDB Alumni Rideshare Survey Results
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From: Amy Salger <asalger at guidedogs.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 1:02 PM
To: glnorman15 at hotmail.com
Subject: GDB Alumni Rideshare Survey Results

GDB Alumni Rideshare Survey Results
Email not displaying correctly?
View it in your browser<https://communications.guidedogs.com/webmail/896181/1444184127/666371fad5199cdaa2e20247d8e33906f3a9b6bb2a09b825d481295fcc30179c>.
A message from the Guide Dogs for the Blind Alumni Association:

Dear GDB Alumni,

In 2023, 185 of you participated in a Rideshare survey. This survey was developed by the GDB Alumni Association Board of Directors and distributed to help gather data around the continuing issue of Rideshare denials. Your efforts and participation yielded undeniable results.

Recently GDB released these results to enhance the general public's awareness of this issue; and to promote change among Rideshare agencies and drivers.

To review the results please click  here<https://communications.guidedogs.com/e/896181/rideshare/yf5r4/1444184127/h/1gtWWja0hStVHAsYxdFK4euiIQYtlIk6tWy3yzPernk>

The survey and results were also part of a Michigan news broadcast:

https://communications.guidedogs.com/e/896181/denying-people-with-guide-dogs/yf5r7/1444184127/h/1gtWWja0hStVHAsYxdFK4euiIQYtlIk6tWy3yzPernk

What can you do? In addition to sharing the results and information; here are tips that can help you advocate for yourself and others. As well as information for reporting a denial.

TIPS FOR NAVIGATING RIDESHARE SERVICES AND REPORTING DENIALS

When booking and waiting for your ride:

  *   You are not obligated to inform the company or drivers that you are accompanied by a guide-dog.
  *   You are not restricted to the "pet service" options. You have the right to ANY service options ridesharing or taxi companies offer. In addition to being unnecessary and more expensive, these options may limit the number of potential drivers responding to your request.
  *   For your records, once a ride is booked and a driver is assigned, take a screenshot of the open app which includes the driver's name, vehicle and license plate number, and estimated arrival time.
  *   A few minutes prior to your estimated pickup, call or message the driver to inform them precisely where you are waiting; that you will not be able to locate them visually; and that you have a service dog. Take a screenshot of this message as proof of your efforts to communicate with your driver.
  *   When the app informs you of your driver's arrival, take a photo of the car with your smart phone for proof that your ride showed up (or showed up and left). If you use a live visual assistance app such as Aira or Be My Eyes, that service can assist in locating the vehicle for you to then capture a photo.
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From glnorman15 at hotmail.com  Wed May  8 22:32:35 2024
From: glnorman15 at hotmail.com (GL Norman)
Date: Wed, 8 May 2024 22:32:35 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] Note Outreach G.
Message-ID: <SN7PR14MB4415DFCCF9B8ED3CBB0F2A70D1E52@SN7PR14MB4415.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>

>From G. Norman, Esq. L.L.M.

I serve on the Md. Network Against Domestic Violence. I notably serve as Chair of our joint governance and Board affairs committee, recruiting new Board members.
Indeed, I will retire from my efforts at this Board this forthcoming fall.
We seek potential Board members, currently performing outreach of this kind. If you could have an interest, please contact me providing a resume.


From rothmanjd at gmail.com  Thu May  9 07:14:47 2024
From: rothmanjd at gmail.com (Ronza Othman)
Date: Thu, 9 May 2024 09:14:47 +0200
Subject: [blindLaw] Seeking probate attorney
Message-ID: <7777185E-BF1B-466B-9CB3-7F7C152AE3DB@gmail.com>

If anyone is a probate attorney, can you please get in touch with me off list?
Ronza Othman, President
National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
443-426-4110
Sent from my iPhone

From aachase1 at gmail.com  Thu May  9 07:28:55 2024
From: aachase1 at gmail.com (Alan A. Chase)
Date: Thu, 9 May 2024 03:28:55 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] APR 9
Message-ID: <CAABjKXm1=AY3ac8VwC4zvuNzubZ5ms+GKOy4Xnq4f64vHzkfqw@mail.gmail.com>

Good morning,

I hope all is well for everyone.  I am nearing completion of my finial
semester of law school.  I will graduate over the summer.

I am reaching out to see if there is anyone licensed in the State of
Washington who is qualified under APR 9 and willing to serve as supervisor
under the limited license practice program.  I would appreciate a paid
opportunity, but I will consider unpaid experience too.

Please share with any others that you may know.

I can be contacted off list at aachase1 at gmail.com.

Thank you!

Dr. Alan Chase

From sarah at sarahaclark.com  Thu May  9 16:41:22 2024
From: sarah at sarahaclark.com (Sarah Clark)
Date: Thu, 9 May 2024 09:41:22 -0700
Subject: [blindLaw] Blind Paralegals?
Message-ID: <86d900c2-64e5-2baf-ede4-ab65c0e83e8b@sarahaclark.com>

Hello,


Are there any paralegals on the list or anyone who is a student in a 
paralegal program?


Thanks,

Sarah






From natel.appledorn at gmail.com  Fri May 10 14:13:22 2024
From: natel.appledorn at gmail.com (Nate Appledorn)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2024 08:13:22 -0600
Subject: [blindLaw] Blind Paralegals?
In-Reply-To: <86d900c2-64e5-2baf-ede4-ab65c0e83e8b@sarahaclark.com>
References: <86d900c2-64e5-2baf-ede4-ab65c0e83e8b@sarahaclark.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ+oXFyX2DbWHKwbZta0YomeP+=4T=FqNVOJihoY4rrgYK9o_A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Sarah,



I am a certified paralegal currently employed by the largest provider  of
legal services in my state. In addition to my work experience, I have
completed a post-baccalaureate certificate program and hold a certification
from NALA.



Best,
Nate

On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 10:58 AM Sarah Clark via BlindLaw <
blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hello,
>
>
> Are there any paralegals on the list or anyone who is a student in a
> paralegal program?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sarah
>
>
>
>
>
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From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com  Mon May 13 05:49:46 2024
From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj)
Date: Mon, 13 May 2024 11:19:46 +0530
Subject: [blindLaw] attending hearings via vc: dealing with jaws' voice
Message-ID: <CADFycPZvCC1KUBPGk2WUvaizGTrnkkTj1vZ83+A+MCzajOEoTw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

I often have to appear for virtual hearings via webex and zoom. Whatever
jaws speaks can be heard by the other participants on the call. I have used
the keystroke insert+space+v+arrow keys, but still that doesnot solve the
problem. he court administrators keep muting me due to the noise that jaws
makes. this prevents me from referencing my notes and arguing effectively.
please help.

Rahul

-- 
--
Rahul Bajaj
Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018), University of Oxford
Co-Founder, Mission Accessibility

From tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com  Mon May 13 10:57:54 2024
From: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com (Tai Tomasi)
Date: Mon, 13 May 2024 06:57:54 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] attending hearings via vc: dealing with jaws' voice
In-Reply-To: <CADFycPZvCC1KUBPGk2WUvaizGTrnkkTj1vZ83+A+MCzajOEoTw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADFycPZvCC1KUBPGk2WUvaizGTrnkkTj1vZ83+A+MCzajOEoTw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EAB960DD-DDFA-40CC-83D6-A172CF069E9A@gmail.com>

Do you use a headset? I find using at least one earbud helpful. I use a wired one to avoid latency issues.

 Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.
Email: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical errors.

> On May 13, 2024, at 1:50 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I often have to appear for virtual hearings via webex and zoom. Whatever
> jaws speaks can be heard by the other participants on the call. I have used
> the keystroke insert+space+v+arrow keys, but still that doesnot solve the
> problem. he court administrators keep muting me due to the noise that jaws
> makes. this prevents me from referencing my notes and arguing effectively.
> please help.
> 
> Rahul
> 
> --
> --
> Rahul Bajaj
> Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018), University of Oxford
> Co-Founder, Mission Accessibility
> _______________________________________________
> BlindLaw mailing list
> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
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From derekjdittmar at gmail.com  Mon May 13 11:11:13 2024
From: derekjdittmar at gmail.com (derek dittmar)
Date: Mon, 13 May 2024 07:11:13 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] attending hearings via vc: dealing with jaws' voice
In-Reply-To: <EAB960DD-DDFA-40CC-83D6-A172CF069E9A@gmail.com>
References: <EAB960DD-DDFA-40CC-83D6-A172CF069E9A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ED72FECF-EDC6-49A6-91EE-E86AF300B5AF@gmail.com>

That was going to be my recommendation as well. I have never had this issue on either of the platforms you mentioned. However, I always use headphones. If for some reason that isn’t working, maybe a fair accommodation would be to use a separate computer to log into the voice conference and then use your computer for your notes and argument? With headphones of course. Last week I was in superior court here in North Carolina and just used my notes on my iPhone with an AirPod. That worked great, but I did have my laptop with me and available in case the judge had questions about the file that I did not anticipate. Luckily, it was smooth sailing. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On May 13, 2024, at 6:59 AM, Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Do you use a headset? I find using at least one earbud helpful. I use a wired one to avoid latency issues.
> 
> Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.
> Email: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com
> Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical errors.
> 
>> On May 13, 2024, at 1:50 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> I often have to appear for virtual hearings via webex and zoom. Whatever
>> jaws speaks can be heard by the other participants on the call. I have used
>> the keystroke insert+space+v+arrow keys, but still that doesnot solve the
>> problem. he court administrators keep muting me due to the noise that jaws
>> makes. this prevents me from referencing my notes and arguing effectively.
>> please help.
>> 
>> Rahul
>> 
>> --
>> --
>> Rahul Bajaj
>> Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018), University of Oxford
>> Co-Founder, Mission Accessibility
>> _______________________________________________
>> BlindLaw mailing list
>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
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>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/tai.tomasi8%40gmail.com
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From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com  Mon May 13 11:23:08 2024
From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj)
Date: Mon, 13 May 2024 16:53:08 +0530
Subject: [blindLaw] attending hearings via vc: dealing with jaws' voice
In-Reply-To: <ED72FECF-EDC6-49A6-91EE-E86AF300B5AF@gmail.com>
References: <EAB960DD-DDFA-40CC-83D6-A172CF069E9A@gmail.com>
 <ED72FECF-EDC6-49A6-91EE-E86AF300B5AF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADFycPZOJsA76PYYHhQaWHcNUqGU00cjPfSjasP9VOe3fuhtGA@mail.gmail.com>

I do use earphones. i set it up for jaws to to speak from one earpiece and
the other audio channels from te other earpiece. but somehow, the court
staff still keeps muting me. I assume because the noise from earpiece a
carries to the other participants through earpiece b.

On Mon, 13 May 2024 at 16:42, derek dittmar via BlindLaw <
blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> That was going to be my recommendation as well. I have never had this
> issue on either of the platforms you mentioned. However, I always use
> headphones. If for some reason that isn’t working, maybe a fair
> accommodation would be to use a separate computer to log into the voice
> conference and then use your computer for your notes and argument? With
> headphones of course. Last week I was in superior court here in North
> Carolina and just used my notes on my iPhone with an AirPod. That worked
> great, but I did have my laptop with me and available in case the judge had
> questions about the file that I did not anticipate. Luckily, it was smooth
> sailing.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On May 13, 2024, at 6:59 AM, Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw <
> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Do you use a headset? I find using at least one earbud helpful. I use a
> wired one to avoid latency issues.
> >
> > Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.
> > Email: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com
> > Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical errors.
> >
> >> On May 13, 2024, at 1:50 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw <
> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> I often have to appear for virtual hearings via webex and zoom. Whatever
> >> jaws speaks can be heard by the other participants on the call. I have
> used
> >> the keystroke insert+space+v+arrow keys, but still that doesnot solve
> the
> >> problem. he court administrators keep muting me due to the noise that
> jaws
> >> makes. this prevents me from referencing my notes and arguing
> effectively.
> >> please help.
> >>
> >> Rahul
> >>
> >> --
> >> --
> >> Rahul Bajaj
> >> Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018), University of Oxford
> >> Co-Founder, Mission Accessibility
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> BlindLaw mailing list
> >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> BlindLaw:
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-- 
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Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018), University of Oxford
Co-Founder, Mission Accessibility

From tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com  Mon May 13 11:57:23 2024
From: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com (Tai Tomasi)
Date: Mon, 13 May 2024 07:57:23 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] attending hearings via vc: dealing with jaws' voice
In-Reply-To: <CADFycPZOJsA76PYYHhQaWHcNUqGU00cjPfSjasP9VOe3fuhtGA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADFycPZOJsA76PYYHhQaWHcNUqGU00cjPfSjasP9VOe3fuhtGA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <13FB21E8-91FA-4810-B122-ADD69981D18A@gmail.com>

If you have both sound sources coming through both ears, does the same thing still occur? Is there any way to inquire why they are muting you? I’m wondering if sound carryover would not occur if both sounds were coming through both channels.
Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.
Email: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical errors.

> On May 13, 2024, at 7:24 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I do use earphones. i set it up for jaws to to speak from one earpiece and
> the other audio channels from te other earpiece. but somehow, the court
> staff still keeps muting me. I assume because the noise from earpiece a
> carries to the other participants through earpiece b.
> 
>> On Mon, 13 May 2024 at 16:42, derek dittmar via BlindLaw <
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> That was going to be my recommendation as well. I have never had this
>> issue on either of the platforms you mentioned. However, I always use
>> headphones. If for some reason that isn’t working, maybe a fair
>> accommodation would be to use a separate computer to log into the voice
>> conference and then use your computer for your notes and argument? With
>> headphones of course. Last week I was in superior court here in North
>> Carolina and just used my notes on my iPhone with an AirPod. That worked
>> great, but I did have my laptop with me and available in case the judge had
>> questions about the file that I did not anticipate. Luckily, it was smooth
>> sailing.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 13, 2024, at 6:59 AM, Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw <
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Do you use a headset? I find using at least one earbud helpful. I use a
>> wired one to avoid latency issues.
>>> 
>>> Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.
>>> Email: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com
>>> Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical errors.
>>> 
>>>> On May 13, 2024, at 1:50 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw <
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi All,
>>>> 
>>>> I often have to appear for virtual hearings via webex and zoom. Whatever
>>>> jaws speaks can be heard by the other participants on the call. I have
>> used
>>>> the keystroke insert+space+v+arrow keys, but still that doesnot solve
>> the
>>>> problem. he court administrators keep muting me due to the noise that
>> jaws
>>>> makes. this prevents me from referencing my notes and arguing
>> effectively.
>>>> please help.
>>>> 
>>>> Rahul
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> --
>>>> Rahul Bajaj
>>>> Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018), University of Oxford
>>>> Co-Founder, Mission Accessibility
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> BlindLaw mailing list
>>>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> BlindLaw:
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From tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com  Mon May 13 11:59:13 2024
From: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com (Tai Tomasi)
Date: Mon, 13 May 2024 07:59:13 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] attending hearings via vc: dealing with jaws' voice
In-Reply-To: <CADFycPZOJsA76PYYHhQaWHcNUqGU00cjPfSjasP9VOe3fuhtGA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADFycPZOJsA76PYYHhQaWHcNUqGU00cjPfSjasP9VOe3fuhtGA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1D3DE1C3-54D7-4CEA-AF29-FF4332D57C29@gmail.com>

If you can’t figure out a less expensive solution, you might be able to attach an external sound card and plug-in a noise canceling headset for one side, while channeling jaws through a different headset on the other side.
Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.
Email: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical errors.

> On May 13, 2024, at 7:24 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I do use earphones. i set it up for jaws to to speak from one earpiece and
> the other audio channels from te other earpiece. but somehow, the court
> staff still keeps muting me. I assume because the noise from earpiece a
> carries to the other participants through earpiece b.
> 
>> On Mon, 13 May 2024 at 16:42, derek dittmar via BlindLaw <
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> That was going to be my recommendation as well. I have never had this
>> issue on either of the platforms you mentioned. However, I always use
>> headphones. If for some reason that isn’t working, maybe a fair
>> accommodation would be to use a separate computer to log into the voice
>> conference and then use your computer for your notes and argument? With
>> headphones of course. Last week I was in superior court here in North
>> Carolina and just used my notes on my iPhone with an AirPod. That worked
>> great, but I did have my laptop with me and available in case the judge had
>> questions about the file that I did not anticipate. Luckily, it was smooth
>> sailing.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 13, 2024, at 6:59 AM, Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw <
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Do you use a headset? I find using at least one earbud helpful. I use a
>> wired one to avoid latency issues.
>>> 
>>> Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.
>>> Email: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com
>>> Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical errors.
>>> 
>>>> On May 13, 2024, at 1:50 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw <
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi All,
>>>> 
>>>> I often have to appear for virtual hearings via webex and zoom. Whatever
>>>> jaws speaks can be heard by the other participants on the call. I have
>> used
>>>> the keystroke insert+space+v+arrow keys, but still that doesnot solve
>> the
>>>> problem. he court administrators keep muting me due to the noise that
>> jaws
>>>> makes. this prevents me from referencing my notes and arguing
>> effectively.
>>>> please help.
>>>> 
>>>> Rahul
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> --
>>>> Rahul Bajaj
>>>> Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018), University of Oxford
>>>> Co-Founder, Mission Accessibility
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> BlindLaw mailing list
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> 
> 
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From nssulca at gmail.com  Mon May 13 14:03:13 2024
From: nssulca at gmail.com (Natalia Sulca)
Date: Mon, 13 May 2024 10:03:13 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] attending hearings via vc: dealing with jaws' voice
In-Reply-To: <CADFycPZvCC1KUBPGk2WUvaizGTrnkkTj1vZ83+A+MCzajOEoTw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADFycPZvCC1KUBPGk2WUvaizGTrnkkTj1vZ83+A+MCzajOEoTw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <038d01daa53e$4c549d20$e4fdd760$@gmail.com>

Hi,
Have you tried lowering the jaws volume entirely to see at what level you no
longer hear jaws? Maybe calling someone on your computer or recording
yourself while jaws is talking to see if it bleeds through.
I use this headset that is cheap but no one hears jaws on it. I know that it
says 3.5 MM but it is USB.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/seort/298662725
And these also
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0775S8X5C/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_tit
le?ie=UTF8&psc=1


They both have in line control so you can mute yourself when you are not
talking and hear jaws all you need.
Best,
Natalia 



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BlindLaw
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2024 1:50 AM
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Subject: [blindLaw] attending hearings via vc: dealing with jaws' voice

Hi All,

I often have to appear for virtual hearings via webex and zoom. Whatever
jaws speaks can be heard by the other participants on the call. I have used
the keystroke insert+space+v+arrow keys, but still that doesnot solve the
problem. he court administrators keep muting me due to the noise that jaws
makes. this prevents me from referencing my notes and arguing effectively.
please help.

Rahul

--
--
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Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018), University of Oxford Co-Founder,
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From tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com  Mon May 13 14:12:43 2024
From: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com (Tai Tomasi)
Date: Mon, 13 May 2024 10:12:43 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] attending hearings via vc: dealing with jaws' voice
In-Reply-To: <CADFycPZvCC1KUBPGk2WUvaizGTrnkkTj1vZ83+A+MCzajOEoTw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADFycPZvCC1KUBPGk2WUvaizGTrnkkTj1vZ83+A+MCzajOEoTw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <112C7173-4D26-4C58-AD8E-198E452593EB@gmail.com>

Let me know if you would like me to jump on a conference call via either of these platforms so we can experiment to see what will help. It might be a good idea to get a few headsets to try before this call.
Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.
Email: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical errors.

> On May 13, 2024, at 1:50 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I often have to appear for virtual hearings via webex and zoom. Whatever
> jaws speaks can be heard by the other participants on the call. I have used
> the keystroke insert+space+v+arrow keys, but still that doesnot solve the
> problem. he court administrators keep muting me due to the noise that jaws
> makes. this prevents me from referencing my notes and arguing effectively.
> please help.
> 
> Rahul
> 
> --
> --
> Rahul Bajaj
> Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018), University of Oxford
> Co-Founder, Mission Accessibility
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From nssulca at gmail.com  Mon May 13 14:22:05 2024
From: nssulca at gmail.com (Natalia Sulca)
Date: Mon, 13 May 2024 10:22:05 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] attending hearings via vc: dealing with jaws' voice
In-Reply-To: <112C7173-4D26-4C58-AD8E-198E452593EB@gmail.com>
References: <CADFycPZvCC1KUBPGk2WUvaizGTrnkkTj1vZ83+A+MCzajOEoTw@mail.gmail.com>
 <112C7173-4D26-4C58-AD8E-198E452593EB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <03a901daa540$ee8ba4b0$cba2ee10$@gmail.com>

Hello,
Sure we can do that. I can guarantee they work as I have used both of these for many many hours on various platforms with jaws speaking the whole time and nothing is heard. I forgot to recommend the Jabra Evolves as well. Super comfortable and known for noise cancelling.
Good luck!
Natalia 


-----Original Message-----
From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2024 10:13 AM
To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Tai Tomasi <tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [blindLaw] attending hearings via vc: dealing with jaws' voice

Let me know if you would like me to jump on a conference call via either of these platforms so we can experiment to see what will help. It might be a good idea to get a few headsets to try before this call.
Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.
Email: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical errors.

> On May 13, 2024, at 1:50 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I often have to appear for virtual hearings via webex and zoom. 
> Whatever jaws speaks can be heard by the other participants on the 
> call. I have used the keystroke insert+space+v+arrow keys, but still 
> that doesnot solve the problem. he court administrators keep muting me 
> due to the noise that jaws makes. this prevents me from referencing my notes and arguing effectively.
> please help.
> 
> Rahul
> 
> --
> --
> Rahul Bajaj
> Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018), University of Oxford 
> Co-Founder, Mission Accessibility 
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From tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com  Mon May 13 16:49:18 2024
From: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com (tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 13 May 2024 12:49:18 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] attending hearings via vc: dealing with jaws' voice
In-Reply-To: <03a901daa540$ee8ba4b0$cba2ee10$@gmail.com>
References: <CADFycPZvCC1KUBPGk2WUvaizGTrnkkTj1vZ83+A+MCzajOEoTw@mail.gmail.com>
 <112C7173-4D26-4C58-AD8E-198E452593EB@gmail.com>
 <03a901daa540$ee8ba4b0$cba2ee10$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <15fc01daa555$7fde01b0$7f9a0510$@gmail.com>

Sorry, my response was intended for Rahul. Rahul, let me know if you want to get on a video call on one or multiple platforms to experiment and discuss potential solutions. 

-----Original Message-----
From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Natalia Sulca via BlindLaw
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2024 10:22 AM
To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Natalia Sulca <nssulca at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [blindLaw] attending hearings via vc: dealing with jaws' voice

Hello,
Sure we can do that. I can guarantee they work as I have used both of these for many many hours on various platforms with jaws speaking the whole time and nothing is heard. I forgot to recommend the Jabra Evolves as well. Super comfortable and known for noise cancelling.
Good luck!
Natalia 


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Sent: Monday, May 13, 2024 10:13 AM
To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Tai Tomasi <tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [blindLaw] attending hearings via vc: dealing with jaws' voice

Let me know if you would like me to jump on a conference call via either of these platforms so we can experiment to see what will help. It might be a good idea to get a few headsets to try before this call.
Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.
Email: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical errors.

> On May 13, 2024, at 1:50 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I often have to appear for virtual hearings via webex and zoom. 
> Whatever jaws speaks can be heard by the other participants on the 
> call. I have used the keystroke insert+space+v+arrow keys, but still 
> that doesnot solve the problem. he court administrators keep muting me 
> due to the noise that jaws makes. this prevents me from referencing my notes and arguing effectively.
> please help.
> 
> Rahul
> 
> --
> --
> Rahul Bajaj
> Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018), University of Oxford 
> Co-Founder, Mission Accessibility 
> _______________________________________________
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From al.elia at aol.com  Tue May 14 12:48:38 2024
From: al.elia at aol.com (Al Elia)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2024 07:48:38 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] attending hearings via vc: dealing with jaws' voice
In-Reply-To: <CFA33493-E5AC-44BA-B7E8-960CBD1BCA36@creeclaw.org>
References: <CADFycPZOJsA76PYYHhQaWHcNUqGU00cjPfSjasP9VOe3fuhtGA@mail.gmail.com>
 <1D3DE1C3-54D7-4CEA-AF29-FF4332D57C29@gmail.com>
 <CFA33493-E5AC-44BA-B7E8-960CBD1BCA36@creeclaw.org>
Message-ID: <98C65011-3193-45C6-82C8-C13BF8615445@aol.com>

What kind of headphones and microphone are you using? If you’re using 
on/over-ears that are open-back, you may be leaking sound. You may have 
to use earbuds instead. also, if you are using the headphone mic, that 
could increase the leakage problem. I’d suggest using earbuds with no 
integrated mic, and then using your computer’s built-in microphone 
(presuming you have a notebook and not a desktop computer).

Happy to try to troubleshoot further if you can provide more technical 
details on your current computer/headphone/mic tech.

/Æ


On 13 May 2024, at 6:59, Tai Tomasi wrote:

If you can’t figure out a less expensive solution, you might be able 
to attach an external sound card and plug-in a noise canceling headset 
for one side, while channeling jaws through a different headset on the 
other side.
Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.
Email: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical 
errors.

On May 13, 2024, at 7:24 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw 
<blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:

I do use earphones. i set it up for jaws to to speak from one 
earpiece and
the other audio channels from te other earpiece. but somehow, the court
staff still keeps muting me. I assume because the noise from earpiece a
carries to the other participants through earpiece b.

On Mon, 13 May 2024 at 16:42, derek dittmar via BlindLaw <
blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:

That was going to be my recommendation as well. I have never had this
issue on either of the platforms you mentioned. However, I always use
headphones. If for some reason that isn’t working, maybe a fair
accommodation would be to use a separate computer to log into the voice
conference and then use your computer for your notes and argument? With
headphones of course. Last week I was in superior court here in North
Carolina and just used my notes on my iPhone with an AirPod. That worked
great, but I did have my laptop with me and available in case the judge 
had
questions about the file that I did not anticipate. Luckily, it was 
smooth
sailing.
Sent from my iPhone

On May 13, 2024, at 6:59 AM, Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw <
blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:

Do you use a headset? I find using at least one earbud helpful. I use 
a
wired one to avoid latency issues.

Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.
Email: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical 
errors.

On May 13, 2024, at 1:50 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw <
blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:

Hi All,

I often have to appear for virtual hearings via webex and zoom. Whatever
jaws speaks can be heard by the other participants on the call. I have
used
the keystroke insert+space+v+arrow keys, but still that doesnot solve
the
problem. he court administrators keep muting me due to the noise that
jaws
makes. this prevents me from referencing my notes and arguing
effectively.
please help.

Rahul

--
--
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Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018), University of Oxford
Co-Founder, Mission Accessibility
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From Robert.Fenton at cnib.ca  Tue May 14 13:26:14 2024
From: Robert.Fenton at cnib.ca (Robert Fenton)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2024 13:26:14 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] attending hearings via vc: dealing with jaws' voice
In-Reply-To: <98C65011-3193-45C6-82C8-C13BF8615445@aol.com>
References: <CADFycPZOJsA76PYYHhQaWHcNUqGU00cjPfSjasP9VOe3fuhtGA@mail.gmail.com>
 <1D3DE1C3-54D7-4CEA-AF29-FF4332D57C29@gmail.com>
 <CFA33493-E5AC-44BA-B7E8-960CBD1BCA36@creeclaw.org>
 <98C65011-3193-45C6-82C8-C13BF8615445@aol.com>
Message-ID: <YQBPR0101MB972613F045914B4C3C50EA69FAE32@YQBPR0101MB9726.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Are you muting your microphone when you are not speaking? This may be another way around the problem as well.

Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
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External Email / Courriel externe


What kind of headphones and microphone are you using? If you’re using
on/over-ears that are open-back, you may be leaking sound. You may have
to use earbuds instead. also, if you are using the headphone mic, that
could increase the leakage problem. I’d suggest using earbuds with no
integrated mic, and then using your computer’s built-in microphone
(presuming you have a notebook and not a desktop computer).

Happy to try to troubleshoot further if you can provide more technical
details on your current computer/headphone/mic tech.

/Æ


On 13 May 2024, at 6:59, Tai Tomasi wrote:

If you can’t figure out a less expensive solution, you might be able
to attach an external sound card and plug-in a noise canceling headset
for one side, while channeling jaws through a different headset on the
other side.
Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.
Email: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical
errors.

On May 13, 2024, at 7:24 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw
<blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:

I do use earphones. i set it up for jaws to to speak from one
earpiece and
the other audio channels from te other earpiece. but somehow, the court
staff still keeps muting me. I assume because the noise from earpiece a
carries to the other participants through earpiece b.

On Mon, 13 May 2024 at 16:42, derek dittmar via BlindLaw <
blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:

That was going to be my recommendation as well. I have never had this
issue on either of the platforms you mentioned. However, I always use
headphones. If for some reason that isn’t working, maybe a fair
accommodation would be to use a separate computer to log into the voice
conference and then use your computer for your notes and argument? With
headphones of course. Last week I was in superior court here in North
Carolina and just used my notes on my iPhone with an AirPod. That worked
great, but I did have my laptop with me and available in case the judge
had
questions about the file that I did not anticipate. Luckily, it was
smooth
sailing.
Sent from my iPhone

On May 13, 2024, at 6:59 AM, Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw <
blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:

Do you use a headset? I find using at least one earbud helpful. I use
a
wired one to avoid latency issues.

Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.
Email: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical
errors.

On May 13, 2024, at 1:50 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw <
blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:

Hi All,

I often have to appear for virtual hearings via webex and zoom. Whatever
jaws speaks can be heard by the other participants on the call. I have
used
the keystroke insert+space+v+arrow keys, but still that doesnot solve
the
problem. he court administrators keep muting me due to the noise that
jaws
makes. this prevents me from referencing my notes and arguing
effectively.
please help.

Rahul

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From jtfetter at yahoo.com  Tue May 14 13:27:28 2024
From: jtfetter at yahoo.com (James Fetter)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2024 09:27:28 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] attending hearings via vc: dealing with jaws' voice
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I second Al’s suggestion. I have used earbuds in several court appearances, and I’ve never had a problem with the court (or anyone else) hearing Jaws.


Sent from my iPhone

> On May 14, 2024, at 8:52 AM, Al Elia via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> What kind of headphones and microphone are you using? If you’re using on/over-ears that are open-back, you may be leaking sound. You may have to use earbuds instead. also, if you are using the headphone mic, that could increase the leakage problem. I’d suggest using earbuds with no integrated mic, and then using your computer’s built-in microphone (presuming you have a notebook and not a desktop computer).
> 
> Happy to try to troubleshoot further if you can provide more technical details on your current computer/headphone/mic tech.
> 
> /Æ
> 
> 
> On 13 May 2024, at 6:59, Tai Tomasi wrote:
> 
> If you can’t figure out a less expensive solution, you might be able to attach an external sound card and plug-in a noise canceling headset for one side, while channeling jaws through a different headset on the other side.
> Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.
> Email: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com
> Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical errors.
> 
> On May 13, 2024, at 7:24 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I do use earphones. i set it up for jaws to to speak from one earpiece and
> the other audio channels from te other earpiece. but somehow, the court
> staff still keeps muting me. I assume because the noise from earpiece a
> carries to the other participants through earpiece b.
> 
> On Mon, 13 May 2024 at 16:42, derek dittmar via BlindLaw <
> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> That was going to be my recommendation as well. I have never had this
> issue on either of the platforms you mentioned. However, I always use
> headphones. If for some reason that isn’t working, maybe a fair
> accommodation would be to use a separate computer to log into the voice
> conference and then use your computer for your notes and argument? With
> headphones of course. Last week I was in superior court here in North
> Carolina and just used my notes on my iPhone with an AirPod. That worked
> great, but I did have my laptop with me and available in case the judge had
> questions about the file that I did not anticipate. Luckily, it was smooth
> sailing.
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On May 13, 2024, at 6:59 AM, Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw <
> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Do you use a headset? I find using at least one earbud helpful. I use a
> wired one to avoid latency issues.
> 
> Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.
> Email: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com
> Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical errors.
> 
> On May 13, 2024, at 1:50 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw <
> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I often have to appear for virtual hearings via webex and zoom. Whatever
> jaws speaks can be heard by the other participants on the call. I have
> used
> the keystroke insert+space+v+arrow keys, but still that doesnot solve
> the
> problem. he court administrators keep muting me due to the noise that
> jaws
> makes. this prevents me from referencing my notes and arguing
> effectively.
> please help.
> 
> Rahul
> 
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From tandersonsmitley at centralmnlegal.org  Tue May 14 13:30:38 2024
From: tandersonsmitley at centralmnlegal.org (Anderson-Smitley, Timothy)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2024 13:30:38 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] BlindLaw Digest, Vol 240, Issue 11
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Hello,
I lower the jaws volume separately from the system volume using insert + space + V + J. Court admin hasn't complained about hearing any chatter from jaws. I also send an accommodation letter to the court before hearings and trials t let them to know to expect the screen-reader.
I also have my Zoom audio setting set to high for canceling background noise.
If I am using a special computer setup in a conference room with an external camera, I change the sound card output to my computer, so Jaws doesn't play thorughthe room speakers.

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Date: Mon, 13 May 2024 07:59:13 -0400
From: Tai Tomasi <tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com>
To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [blindLaw] attending hearings via vc: dealing with jaws'
        voice
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If you can?t figure out a less expensive solution, you might be able to attach an external sound card and plug-in a noise canceling headset for one side, while channeling jaws through a different headset on the other side.
Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.
Email: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical errors.

> On May 13, 2024, at 7:24?AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> ?I do use earphones. i set it up for jaws to to speak from one
> earpiece and the other audio channels from te other earpiece. but
> somehow, the court staff still keeps muting me. I assume because the
> noise from earpiece a carries to the other participants through earpiece b.
>
>> On Mon, 13 May 2024 at 16:42, derek dittmar via BlindLaw <
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> That was going to be my recommendation as well. I have never had this
>> issue on either of the platforms you mentioned. However, I always use
>> headphones. If for some reason that isn?t working, maybe a fair
>> accommodation would be to use a separate computer to log into the
>> voice conference and then use your computer for your notes and
>> argument? With headphones of course. Last week I was in superior
>> court here in North Carolina and just used my notes on my iPhone with
>> an AirPod. That worked great, but I did have my laptop with me and
>> available in case the judge had questions about the file that I did
>> not anticipate. Luckily, it was smooth sailing.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On May 13, 2024, at 6:59?AM, Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw <
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?Do you use a headset? I find using at least one earbud helpful. I
>>> use a
>> wired one to avoid latency issues.
>>>
>>> Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.
>>> Email: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com
>>> Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical errors.
>>>
>>>> On May 13, 2024, at 1:50?AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw <
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> I often have to appear for virtual hearings via webex and zoom.
>>>> Whatever jaws speaks can be heard by the other participants on the
>>>> call. I have
>> used
>>>> the keystroke insert+space+v+arrow keys, but still that doesnot
>>>> solve
>> the
>>>> problem. he court administrators keep muting me due to the noise
>>>> that
>> jaws
>>>> makes. this prevents me from referencing my notes and arguing
>> effectively.
>>>> please help.
>>>>
>>>> Rahul
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> --
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>>>> Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018), University of Oxford
>>>> Co-Founder, Mission Accessibility
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Date: Mon, 13 May 2024 10:03:13 -0400
From: "Natalia Sulca" <nssulca at gmail.com>
To: "'Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [blindLaw] attending hearings via vc: dealing with jaws'
        voice
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Hi,
Have you tried lowering the jaws volume entirely to see at what level you no longer hear jaws? Maybe calling someone on your computer or recording yourself while jaws is talking to see if it bleeds through.
I use this headset that is cheap but no one hears jaws on it. I know that it says 3.5 MM but it is USB.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/seort/298662725
And these also
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0775S8X5C/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_tit
le?ie=UTF8&psc=1


They both have in line control so you can mute yourself when you are not talking and hear jaws all you need.
Best,
Natalia



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Hi All,

I often have to appear for virtual hearings via webex and zoom. Whatever jaws speaks can be heard by the other participants on the call. I have used the keystroke insert+space+v+arrow keys, but still that doesnot solve the problem. he court administrators keep muting me due to the noise that jaws makes. this prevents me from referencing my notes and arguing effectively.
please help.

Rahul

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Date: Mon, 13 May 2024 10:12:43 -0400
From: Tai Tomasi <tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [blindLaw] attending hearings via vc: dealing with jaws'
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Let me know if you would like me to jump on a conference call via either of these platforms so we can experiment to see what will help. It might be a good idea to get a few headsets to try before this call.
Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.
Email: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical errors.

> On May 13, 2024, at 1:50?AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> ?Hi All,
>
> I often have to appear for virtual hearings via webex and zoom.
> Whatever jaws speaks can be heard by the other participants on the
> call. I have used the keystroke insert+space+v+arrow keys, but still
> that doesnot solve the problem. he court administrators keep muting me
> due to the noise that jaws makes. this prevents me from referencing my notes and arguing effectively.
> please help.
>
> Rahul
>
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Date: Mon, 13 May 2024 10:22:05 -0400
From: "Natalia Sulca" <nssulca at gmail.com>
To: "'Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [blindLaw] attending hearings via vc: dealing with jaws'
        voice
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Hello,
Sure we can do that. I can guarantee they work as I have used both of these for many many hours on various platforms with jaws speaking the whole time and nothing is heard. I forgot to recommend the Jabra Evolves as well. Super comfortable and known for noise cancelling.
Good luck!
Natalia


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Cc: Tai Tomasi <tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [blindLaw] attending hearings via vc: dealing with jaws' voice

Let me know if you would like me to jump on a conference call via either of these platforms so we can experiment to see what will help. It might be a good idea to get a few headsets to try before this call.
Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.
Email: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical errors.

> On May 13, 2024, at 1:50?AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> ?Hi All,
>
> I often have to appear for virtual hearings via webex and zoom.
> Whatever jaws speaks can be heard by the other participants on the
> call. I have used the keystroke insert+space+v+arrow keys, but still
> that doesnot solve the problem. he court administrators keep muting me
> due to the noise that jaws makes. this prevents me from referencing my notes and arguing effectively.
> please help.
>
> Rahul
>
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> --
> Rahul Bajaj
> Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018), University of Oxford
> Co-Founder, Mission Accessibility
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 13 May 2024 12:49:18 -0400
From: <tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com>
To: "'Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [blindLaw] attending hearings via vc: dealing with jaws'
        voice
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Sorry, my response was intended for Rahul. Rahul, let me know if you want to get on a video call on one or multiple platforms to experiment and discuss potential solutions.

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Sent: Monday, May 13, 2024 10:22 AM
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Subject: Re: [blindLaw] attending hearings via vc: dealing with jaws' voice

Hello,
Sure we can do that. I can guarantee they work as I have used both of these for many many hours on various platforms with jaws speaking the whole time and nothing is heard. I forgot to recommend the Jabra Evolves as well. Super comfortable and known for noise cancelling.
Good luck!
Natalia


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From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2024 10:13 AM
To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Tai Tomasi <tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [blindLaw] attending hearings via vc: dealing with jaws' voice

Let me know if you would like me to jump on a conference call via either of these platforms so we can experiment to see what will help. It might be a good idea to get a few headsets to try before this call.
Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.
Email: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical errors.

> On May 13, 2024, at 1:50?AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> ?Hi All,
>
> I often have to appear for virtual hearings via webex and zoom.
> Whatever jaws speaks can be heard by the other participants on the
> call. I have used the keystroke insert+space+v+arrow keys, but still
> that doesnot solve the problem. he court administrators keep muting me
> due to the noise that jaws makes. this prevents me from referencing my notes and arguing effectively.
> please help.
>
> Rahul
>
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> --
> Rahul Bajaj
> Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018), University of Oxford
> Co-Founder, Mission Accessibility
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From tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com  Tue May 14 15:27:53 2024
From: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com (tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2024 11:27:53 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] attending hearings via vc: dealing with jaws' voice
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I cosign all of this.

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What kind of headphones and microphone are you using? If you’re using on/over-ears that are open-back, you may be leaking sound. You may have to use earbuds instead. also, if you are using the headphone mic, that could increase the leakage problem. I’d suggest using earbuds with no integrated mic, and then using your computer’s built-in microphone (presuming you have a notebook and not a desktop computer).

Happy to try to troubleshoot further if you can provide more technical details on your current computer/headphone/mic tech.

/Æ


On 13 May 2024, at 6:59, Tai Tomasi wrote:

If you can’t figure out a less expensive solution, you might be able to attach an external sound card and plug-in a noise canceling headset for one side, while channeling jaws through a different headset on the other side.
Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.
Email: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical errors.

On May 13, 2024, at 7:24 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:

I do use earphones. i set it up for jaws to to speak from one earpiece and the other audio channels from te other earpiece. but somehow, the court staff still keeps muting me. I assume because the noise from earpiece a carries to the other participants through earpiece b.

On Mon, 13 May 2024 at 16:42, derek dittmar via BlindLaw < blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:

That was going to be my recommendation as well. I have never had this issue on either of the platforms you mentioned. However, I always use headphones. If for some reason that isn’t working, maybe a fair accommodation would be to use a separate computer to log into the voice conference and then use your computer for your notes and argument? With headphones of course. Last week I was in superior court here in North Carolina and just used my notes on my iPhone with an AirPod. That worked great, but I did have my laptop with me and available in case the judge had questions about the file that I did not anticipate. Luckily, it was smooth sailing.
Sent from my iPhone

On May 13, 2024, at 6:59 AM, Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw < blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:

Do you use a headset? I find using at least one earbud helpful. I use a wired one to avoid latency issues.

Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.
Email: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical errors.

On May 13, 2024, at 1:50 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw < blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:

Hi All,

I often have to appear for virtual hearings via webex and zoom. Whatever jaws speaks can be heard by the other participants on the call. I have used the keystroke insert+space+v+arrow keys, but still that doesnot solve the problem. he court administrators keep muting me due to the noise that jaws makes. this prevents me from referencing my notes and arguing effectively.
please help.

Rahul

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From maurakutnyak at gmail.com  Tue May 14 15:45:41 2024
From: maurakutnyak at gmail.com (Maura Kutnyak)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2024 11:45:41 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] attending hearings via vc: dealing with jaws' voice
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Hi Rahul, 

I had this problem, even while using headphones, on a Lenovo laptop. It was not my primary device and so I did not take the time to precisely diagnose the issue. This was during law school. But I got as far as understanding that it was likely a setting, somewhere in the depths of my machine which was causing jaws to bleed into the audio feed on zoom through the headphones. It was extremely frustrating at times! I hope you can sort out a fix. 
Warmly,

Maura Kutnyak Esq.
716-563-9882

> On May 14, 2024, at 9:29 AM, James Fetter via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I second Al’s suggestion. I have used earbuds in several court appearances, and I’ve never had a problem with the court (or anyone else) hearing Jaws.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 14, 2024, at 8:52 AM, Al Elia via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> What kind of headphones and microphone are you using? If you’re using on/over-ears that are open-back, you may be leaking sound. You may have to use earbuds instead. also, if you are using the headphone mic, that could increase the leakage problem. I’d suggest using earbuds with no integrated mic, and then using your computer’s built-in microphone (presuming you have a notebook and not a desktop computer).
>> 
>> Happy to try to troubleshoot further if you can provide more technical details on your current computer/headphone/mic tech.
>> 
>> /Æ
>> 
>> 
>> On 13 May 2024, at 6:59, Tai Tomasi wrote:
>> 
>> If you can’t figure out a less expensive solution, you might be able to attach an external sound card and plug-in a noise canceling headset for one side, while channeling jaws through a different headset on the other side.
>> Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.
>> Email: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com
>> Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical errors.
>> 
>> On May 13, 2024, at 7:24 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I do use earphones. i set it up for jaws to to speak from one earpiece and
>> the other audio channels from te other earpiece. but somehow, the court
>> staff still keeps muting me. I assume because the noise from earpiece a
>> carries to the other participants through earpiece b.
>> 
>> On Mon, 13 May 2024 at 16:42, derek dittmar via BlindLaw <
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> That was going to be my recommendation as well. I have never had this
>> issue on either of the platforms you mentioned. However, I always use
>> headphones. If for some reason that isn’t working, maybe a fair
>> accommodation would be to use a separate computer to log into the voice
>> conference and then use your computer for your notes and argument? With
>> headphones of course. Last week I was in superior court here in North
>> Carolina and just used my notes on my iPhone with an AirPod. That worked
>> great, but I did have my laptop with me and available in case the judge had
>> questions about the file that I did not anticipate. Luckily, it was smooth
>> sailing.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On May 13, 2024, at 6:59 AM, Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw <
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Do you use a headset? I find using at least one earbud helpful. I use a
>> wired one to avoid latency issues.
>> 
>> Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.
>> Email: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com
>> Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical errors.
>> 
>> On May 13, 2024, at 1:50 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw <
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> I often have to appear for virtual hearings via webex and zoom. Whatever
>> jaws speaks can be heard by the other participants on the call. I have
>> used
>> the keystroke insert+space+v+arrow keys, but still that doesnot solve
>> the
>> problem. he court administrators keep muting me due to the noise that
>> jaws
>> makes. this prevents me from referencing my notes and arguing
>> effectively.
>> please help.
>> 
>> Rahul
>> 
>> --
>> --
>> Rahul Bajaj
>> Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018), University of Oxford
>> Co-Founder, Mission Accessibility
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>> Co-Founder, Mission Accessibility
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From oduncan821 at gmail.com  Wed May 15 19:09:45 2024
From: oduncan821 at gmail.com (omar duncan)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2024 12:09:45 -0700
Subject: [blindLaw] How do to handle logic games as visually impaired
Message-ID: <CAO+t8U1C4qBJGfpcS2uKUXGh2iHYL-qbc9xSUaiC=H8iZpUV7w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all

Just quickly getting in touch.


How do we handle logic games with varying levels of visual impairment and
with visual impairment in general—.


Any tips and tricks for the June Test.


Best,

From syedrizvinfb at gmail.com  Wed May 15 19:25:47 2024
From: syedrizvinfb at gmail.com (Syed Rizvi)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2024 15:25:47 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] How do to handle logic games as visually impaired
In-Reply-To: <CAO+t8U1C4qBJGfpcS2uKUXGh2iHYL-qbc9xSUaiC=H8iZpUV7w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO+t8U1C4qBJGfpcS2uKUXGh2iHYL-qbc9xSUaiC=H8iZpUV7w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAqtePQMmewQmF_n-4AkAB2HxxuFvAG_4q7Lvstxi-c7p=bZ5g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,



I’m glad to jump on a call to explain how I do it nonvisually with a screen
reader. Alternatively, they are doing away with the logic games at the end
of this summer, if you would rather wait until then to take your exam. I’m
happy to help either way!



Best,

Syed



On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 3:11 PM omar duncan via BlindLaw <
blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi all
>
> Just quickly getting in touch.
>
>
> How do we handle logic games with varying levels of visual impairment and
> with visual impairment in general—.
>
>
> Any tips and tricks for the June Test.
>
>
> Best,
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From nssulca at gmail.com  Wed May 15 19:42:12 2024
From: nssulca at gmail.com (Natalia Sulca)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2024 15:42:12 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] [blind Law] How do to handle logic games as visually
 impaired
In-Reply-To: <CAAqtePQMmewQmF_n-4AkAB2HxxuFvAG_4q7Lvstxi-c7p=bZ5g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO+t8U1C4qBJGfpcS2uKUXGh2iHYL-qbc9xSUaiC=H8iZpUV7w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAAqtePQMmewQmF_n-4AkAB2HxxuFvAG_4q7Lvstxi-c7p=bZ5g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <030b01daa6ff$fba46fe0$f2ed4fa0$@gmail.com>

Hi,
They are taking them away? I feel cheated! 
To answer your question, it is super accessible now or it was for me. I took the test last June. I just wrote the list on a WordPad blank document in another tab for my reference and that worked for me.

I suggest just taking practice tests on the website to familiarize yourself with the format. The real test is exactly the same with different questions. 

Good luck!
Natalia Sulca 
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2024 3:26 PM
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Cc: Syed Rizvi <syedrizvinfb at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [blindLaw] How do to handle logic games as visually impaired

Hi,



I’m glad to jump on a call to explain how I do it nonvisually with a screen reader. Alternatively, they are doing away with the logic games at the end of this summer, if you would rather wait until then to take your exam. I’m happy to help either way!



Best,

Syed



On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 3:11 PM omar duncan via BlindLaw < blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi all
>
> Just quickly getting in touch.
>
>
> How do we handle logic games with varying levels of visual impairment 
> and with visual impairment in general—.
>
>
> Any tips and tricks for the June Test.
>
>
> Best,
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From elizabethrouse.nfb at gmail.com  Thu May 16 01:22:09 2024
From: elizabethrouse.nfb at gmail.com (Elizabeth Rouse)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2024 20:22:09 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Feedback Requested: Law School Participation in
 Extra-Curriculars
Message-ID: <CANGwUJOaiczAhq2Fw6YEvcK=xAvi1iiXiKUUgSYpCWbX3mGKwg@mail.gmail.com>

Good evening, all!

As a means of preparing for some possible mini presentations at this year's
NABL business meeting, Rose and myself are looking for folks who
participated in any of the following while in law school: clinics,
clerkships, internships, journals, and/or moot court.

If you did participate in one or more of these activities within the last 5
or so years, please drop me an email at elizabethrouse.nfb at gmail.com.

Respectlfully,
Elizabeth


Elizabeth Rouse, She/her/hers
Board Member | National Association of Blind Lawyers (NABL)
blindlawyers.net
Board Member | Performing Arts Division
nfb-pad.org
Elizabethrouse.nfb at gmail.com
(563) 210-1854
“If you can see yourself as an artist, and you can see that your life is
your own creation, then why not create the most beautiful story for
yourself?” - Miguel Ruiz

From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com  Thu May 16 06:05:49 2024
From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2024 11:35:49 +0530
Subject: [blindLaw] attending hearings via vc: dealing with jaws' voice
In-Reply-To: <227BF1BC-8A5F-4E52-BFB4-D6DFE681E9E8@gmail.com>
References: <78F0EC63-6545-43BE-BFF4-00A90472CDD9@yahoo.com>
 <227BF1BC-8A5F-4E52-BFB4-D6DFE681E9E8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADFycPbog6Lct3MPiH9tV+b5MCOcrdqBuC5G2ZskXWw5b-mwJA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, all. have decided to take today's hearing via vc on my phone while
using jaws on my laptop. nothing else seems to work with webex. the court
staff keeps muting me otherwise which prevents me from referencing my notes
and making my points.

Rahul

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Maura Kutnyak via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Date: Tue, 14 May 2024 at 21:16
Subject: Re: [blindLaw] attending hearings via vc: dealing with jaws' voice
To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Maura Kutnyak <maurakutnyak at gmail.com>


Hi Rahul,

I had this problem, even while using headphones, on a Lenovo laptop. It was
not my primary device and so I did not take the time to precisely diagnose
the issue. This was during law school. But I got as far as understanding
that it was likely a setting, somewhere in the depths of my machine which
was causing jaws to bleed into the audio feed on zoom through the
headphones. It was extremely frustrating at times! I hope you can sort out
a fix.
Warmly,

Maura Kutnyak Esq.
716-563-9882

> On May 14, 2024, at 9:29 AM, James Fetter via BlindLaw <
blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> I second Al’s suggestion. I have used earbuds in several court
appearances, and I’ve never had a problem with the court (or anyone else)
hearing Jaws.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 14, 2024, at 8:52 AM, Al Elia via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
>>
>> What kind of headphones and microphone are you using? If you’re using
on/over-ears that are open-back, you may be leaking sound. You may have to
use earbuds instead. also, if you are using the headphone mic, that could
increase the leakage problem. I’d suggest using earbuds with no integrated
mic, and then using your computer’s built-in microphone (presuming you have
a notebook and not a desktop computer).
>>
>> Happy to try to troubleshoot further if you can provide more technical
details on your current computer/headphone/mic tech.
>>
>> /Æ
>>
>>
>> On 13 May 2024, at 6:59, Tai Tomasi wrote:
>>
>> If you can’t figure out a less expensive solution, you might be able to
attach an external sound card and plug-in a noise canceling headset for one
side, while channeling jaws through a different headset on the other side.
>> Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.
>> Email: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com
>> Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical errors.
>>
>> On May 13, 2024, at 7:24 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw <
blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> I do use earphones. i set it up for jaws to to speak from one earpiece
and
>> the other audio channels from te other earpiece. but somehow, the court
>> staff still keeps muting me. I assume because the noise from earpiece a
>> carries to the other participants through earpiece b.
>>
>> On Mon, 13 May 2024 at 16:42, derek dittmar via BlindLaw <
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> That was going to be my recommendation as well. I have never had this
>> issue on either of the platforms you mentioned. However, I always use
>> headphones. If for some reason that isn’t working, maybe a fair
>> accommodation would be to use a separate computer to log into the voice
>> conference and then use your computer for your notes and argument? With
>> headphones of course. Last week I was in superior court here in North
>> Carolina and just used my notes on my iPhone with an AirPod. That worked
>> great, but I did have my laptop with me and available in case the judge
had
>> questions about the file that I did not anticipate. Luckily, it was
smooth
>> sailing.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 13, 2024, at 6:59 AM, Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw <
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Do you use a headset? I find using at least one earbud helpful. I use a
>> wired one to avoid latency issues.
>>
>> Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.
>> Email: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com
>> Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical errors.
>>
>> On May 13, 2024, at 1:50 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw <
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I often have to appear for virtual hearings via webex and zoom. Whatever
>> jaws speaks can be heard by the other participants on the call. I have
>> used
>> the keystroke insert+space+v+arrow keys, but still that doesnot solve
>> the
>> problem. he court administrators keep muting me due to the noise that
>> jaws
>> makes. this prevents me from referencing my notes and arguing
>> effectively.
>> please help.
>>
>> Rahul
>>
>> --
>> --
>> Rahul Bajaj
>> Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018), University of Oxford
>> Co-Founder, Mission Accessibility
>> _______________________________________________
>> BlindLaw mailing list
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>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> Rahul Bajaj
>> Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018), University of Oxford
>> Co-Founder, Mission Accessibility
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-- 
--
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Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018), University of Oxford
Co-Founder, Mission Accessibility
thanks, all. have decided to take today's hearing via vc on my phone while
using jaws on my laptop. nothing else seems to work with webex. the court
staff keeps muting me otherwise which prevents me from referencing my notes
and making my points.

Rahul

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Maura Kutnyak via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Date: Tue, 14 May 2024 at 21:16
Subject: Re: [blindLaw] attending hearings via vc: dealing with jaws' voice
To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Maura Kutnyak <maurakutnyak at gmail.com>


Hi Rahul,

I had this problem, even while using headphones, on a Lenovo laptop. It was
not my primary device and so I did not take the time to precisely diagnose
the issue. This was during law school. But I got as far as understanding
that it was likely a setting, somewhere in the depths of my machine which
was causing jaws to bleed into the audio feed on zoom through the
headphones. It was extremely frustrating at times! I hope you can sort out
a fix.
Warmly,

Maura Kutnyak Esq.
716-563-9882

> On May 14, 2024, at 9:29 AM, James Fetter via BlindLaw <
blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> I second Al’s suggestion. I have used earbuds in several court
appearances, and I’ve never had a problem with the court (or anyone else)
hearing Jaws.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 14, 2024, at 8:52 AM, Al Elia via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
>>
>> What kind of headphones and microphone are you using? If you’re using
on/over-ears that are open-back, you may be leaking sound. You may have to
use earbuds instead. also, if you are using the headphone mic, that could
increase the leakage problem. I’d suggest using earbuds with no integrated
mic, and then using your computer’s built-in microphone (presuming you have
a notebook and not a desktop computer).
>>
>> Happy to try to troubleshoot further if you can provide more technical
details on your current computer/headphone/mic tech.
>>
>> /Æ
>>
>>
>> On 13 May 2024, at 6:59, Tai Tomasi wrote:
>>
>> If you can’t figure out a less expensive solution, you might be able to
attach an external sound card and plug-in a noise canceling headset for one
side, while channeling jaws through a different headset on the other side.
>> Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.
>> Email: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com
>> Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical errors.
>>
>> On May 13, 2024, at 7:24 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw <
blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> I do use earphones. i set it up for jaws to to speak from one earpiece
and
>> the other audio channels from te other earpiece. but somehow, the court
>> staff still keeps muting me. I assume because the noise from earpiece a
>> carries to the other participants through earpiece b.
>>
>> On Mon, 13 May 2024 at 16:42, derek dittmar via BlindLaw <
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> That was going to be my recommendation as well. I have never had this
>> issue on either of the platforms you mentioned. However, I always use
>> headphones. If for some reason that isn’t working, maybe a fair
>> accommodation would be to use a separate computer to log into the voice
>> conference and then use your computer for your notes and argument? With
>> headphones of course. Last week I was in superior court here in North
>> Carolina and just used my notes on my iPhone with an AirPod. That worked
>> great, but I did have my laptop with me and available in case the judge
had
>> questions about the file that I did not anticipate. Luckily, it was
smooth
>> sailing.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 13, 2024, at 6:59 AM, Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw <
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Do you use a headset? I find using at least one earbud helpful. I use a
>> wired one to avoid latency issues.
>>
>> Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.
>> Email: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com
>> Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical errors.
>>
>> On May 13, 2024, at 1:50 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw <
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I often have to appear for virtual hearings via webex and zoom. Whatever
>> jaws speaks can be heard by the other participants on the call. I have
>> used
>> the keystroke insert+space+v+arrow keys, but still that doesnot solve
>> the
>> problem. he court administrators keep muting me due to the noise that
>> jaws
>> makes. this prevents me from referencing my notes and arguing
>> effectively.
>> please help.
>>
>> Rahul
>>
>> --
>> --
>> Rahul Bajaj
>> Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018), University of Oxford
>> Co-Founder, Mission Accessibility
>> _______________________________________________
>> BlindLaw mailing list
>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> BlindLaw:
>>
>>
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From oduncan821 at gmail.com  Fri May 17 15:29:31 2024
From: oduncan821 at gmail.com (omar duncan)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2024 08:29:31 -0700
Subject: [blindLaw] attending hearings via vc: dealing with jaws' voice
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To piggy back on what Al is mentioning

Given what is mentioned
And one has a desktop computer, there are usb plug in mic available that
allow you to use ear buds and have microphone on a desktop.

There are also webcams that work with usb that can be plugged into computer
that have microphones.


Best,

On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 5:51 AM Al Elia via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> What kind of headphones and microphone are you using? If you’re using
> on/over-ears that are open-back, you may be leaking sound. You may have
> to use earbuds instead. also, if you are using the headphone mic, that
> could increase the leakage problem. I’d suggest using earbuds with no
> integrated mic, and then using your computer’s built-in microphone
> (presuming you have a notebook and not a desktop computer).
>
> Happy to try to troubleshoot further if you can provide more technical
> details on your current computer/headphone/mic tech.
>
> /Æ
>
>
> On 13 May 2024, at 6:59, Tai Tomasi wrote:
>
> If you can’t figure out a less expensive solution, you might be able
> to attach an external sound card and plug-in a noise canceling headset
> for one side, while channeling jaws through a different headset on the
> other side.
> Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.
> Email: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com
> Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical
> errors.
>
> On May 13, 2024, at 7:24 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw
> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> I do use earphones. i set it up for jaws to to speak from one
> earpiece and
> the other audio channels from te other earpiece. but somehow, the court
> staff still keeps muting me. I assume because the noise from earpiece a
> carries to the other participants through earpiece b.
>
> On Mon, 13 May 2024 at 16:42, derek dittmar via BlindLaw <
> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> That was going to be my recommendation as well. I have never had this
> issue on either of the platforms you mentioned. However, I always use
> headphones. If for some reason that isn’t working, maybe a fair
> accommodation would be to use a separate computer to log into the voice
> conference and then use your computer for your notes and argument? With
> headphones of course. Last week I was in superior court here in North
> Carolina and just used my notes on my iPhone with an AirPod. That worked
> great, but I did have my laptop with me and available in case the judge
> had
> questions about the file that I did not anticipate. Luckily, it was
> smooth
> sailing.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 13, 2024, at 6:59 AM, Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw <
> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Do you use a headset? I find using at least one earbud helpful. I use
> a
> wired one to avoid latency issues.
>
> Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.
> Email: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com
> Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical
> errors.
>
> On May 13, 2024, at 1:50 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw <
> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I often have to appear for virtual hearings via webex and zoom. Whatever
> jaws speaks can be heard by the other participants on the call. I have
> used
> the keystroke insert+space+v+arrow keys, but still that doesnot solve
> the
> problem. he court administrators keep muting me due to the noise that
> jaws
> makes. this prevents me from referencing my notes and arguing
> effectively.
> please help.
>
> Rahul
>
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> --
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> Co-Founder, Mission Accessibility
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From nssulca at gmail.com  Fri May 17 16:01:07 2024
From: nssulca at gmail.com (Natalia Sulca)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2024 12:01:07 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] attending hearings via vc: dealing with jaws' voice
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As I said, A good noise cancelling USB headset will do the trick. I use xoom, Webex for court hearings daily with the ones I recommended and no jaws bleeding.
Best,
Natalia 

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From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of omar duncan via BlindLaw
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2024 11:30 AM
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Subject: Re: [blindLaw] attending hearings via vc: dealing with jaws' voice

To piggy back on what Al is mentioning

Given what is mentioned
And one has a desktop computer, there are usb plug in mic available that allow you to use ear buds and have microphone on a desktop.

There are also webcams that work with usb that can be plugged into computer that have microphones.


Best,

On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 5:51 AM Al Elia via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> What kind of headphones and microphone are you using? If you’re using 
> on/over-ears that are open-back, you may be leaking sound. You may 
> have to use earbuds instead. also, if you are using the headphone mic, 
> that could increase the leakage problem. I’d suggest using earbuds 
> with no integrated mic, and then using your computer’s built-in 
> microphone (presuming you have a notebook and not a desktop computer).
>
> Happy to try to troubleshoot further if you can provide more technical 
> details on your current computer/headphone/mic tech.
>
> /Æ
>
>
> On 13 May 2024, at 6:59, Tai Tomasi wrote:
>
> If you can’t figure out a less expensive solution, you might be able 
> to attach an external sound card and plug-in a noise canceling headset 
> for one side, while channeling jaws through a different headset on the 
> other side.
> Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.
> Email: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com
> Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical 
> errors.
>
> On May 13, 2024, at 7:24 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw 
> <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> I do use earphones. i set it up for jaws to to speak from one 
> earpiece and the other audio channels from te other earpiece. but 
> somehow, the court staff still keeps muting me. I assume because the 
> noise from earpiece a carries to the other participants through 
> earpiece b.
>
> On Mon, 13 May 2024 at 16:42, derek dittmar via BlindLaw < 
> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> That was going to be my recommendation as well. I have never had this 
> issue on either of the platforms you mentioned. However, I always use 
> headphones. If for some reason that isn’t working, maybe a fair 
> accommodation would be to use a separate computer to log into the 
> voice conference and then use your computer for your notes and 
> argument? With headphones of course. Last week I was in superior court 
> here in North Carolina and just used my notes on my iPhone with an 
> AirPod. That worked great, but I did have my laptop with me and 
> available in case the judge had questions about the file that I did 
> not anticipate. Luckily, it was smooth sailing.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 13, 2024, at 6:59 AM, Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw < 
> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Do you use a headset? I find using at least one earbud helpful. I use 
> a wired one to avoid latency issues.
>
> Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.
> Email: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com
> Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical 
> errors.
>
> On May 13, 2024, at 1:50 AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw < 
> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I often have to appear for virtual hearings via webex and zoom. 
> Whatever jaws speaks can be heard by the other participants on the 
> call. I have used the keystroke insert+space+v+arrow keys, but still 
> that doesnot solve the problem. he court administrators keep muting me 
> due to the noise that jaws makes. this prevents me from referencing my 
> notes and arguing effectively.
> please help.
>
> Rahul
>
> --
> --
> Rahul Bajaj
> Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018), University of Oxford 
> Co-Founder, Mission Accessibility 
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From seyyarselen004 at gmail.com  Tue May 28 15:44:53 2024
From: seyyarselen004 at gmail.com (Selen Seyyar)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2024 18:44:53 +0300
Subject: [blindLaw] The national federation of the blind convention
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Hello, I hope all of you are doing well. I am a registered lawyer from
Turkey. I am going to be going to the convention in Florida in July. I am
so excited to meet you American blind lawyers. As a foreign blind lawyer I
would like to know more about this convention and be in the meetings in
there. I would like to talk to somebody about law part in the convention.
Thanks

From Robert.Fenton at cnib.ca  Wed May 29 14:34:10 2024
From: Robert.Fenton at cnib.ca (Robert Fenton)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2024 14:34:10 +0000
Subject: [blindLaw] The national federation of the blind convention
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Hi Selen:

I am pleased to hear from you. I am a lawyer from Canada who will be attending the convention as well, I am happy to catch up with you and share my perspective on what it is like to attend this convention as a lawyer from outside the U.S. Please reach out if you are interested.

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From sanho817 at gmail.com  Thu May 30 03:09:36 2024
From: sanho817 at gmail.com (Sanho Steele-Louchart)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2024 23:09:36 -0400
Subject: [blindLaw] The national federation of the blind convention
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Hello, 

I'm also happy to discuss with anyone interested. My email is Sanho817 at gmail.com and my phone number for calling, texting, and whatsapp is 918-800-9997. 

Warmth, 
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> I am pleased to hear from you. I am a lawyer from Canada who will be attending the convention as well, I am happy to catch up with you and share my perspective on what it is like to attend this convention as a lawyer from outside the U.S. Please reach out if you are interested.
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From elizabethrouse.nfb at gmail.com  Fri May 31 03:12:19 2024
From: elizabethrouse.nfb at gmail.com (Elizabeth Rouse)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2024 22:12:19 -0500
Subject: [blindLaw] Feedback Requested: Law School Participation in
 Extra-Curriculars
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Good evening,

Just sending out a quick reminder to contact me via email at
Elizabethrouse.nfb at gmail.com if you have participated in any of the
following within the last 5 years and would be interested in helping out.
As a means of preparing for some possible mini presentations at this year's
NABL business meeting, Rose and myself are looking for folks who
participated in any of the following while in law school: clinics,
clerkships, internships, journals, trial team, and/or moot court.

Please reach out by the end of the day on 6/9 if possible.

Thank you in advance,
Elizabeth


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your own creation, then why not create the most beautiful story for
yourself?” - Miguel Ruiz


On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 8:22 PM Elizabeth Rouse <
elizabethrouse.nfb at gmail.com> wrote:

> Good evening, all!
>
> As a means of preparing for some possible mini presentations at this
> year's NABL business meeting, Rose and myself are looking for folks who
> participated in any of the following while in law school: clinics,
> clerkships, internships, journals, and/or moot court.
>
> If you did participate in one or more of these activities within the last
> 5 or so years, please drop me an email at elizabethrouse.nfb at gmail.com.
>
> Respectlfully,
> Elizabeth
>
>
> Elizabeth Rouse, She/her/hers
> Board Member | National Association of Blind Lawyers (NABL)
> blindlawyers.net
> Board Member | Performing Arts Division
> nfb-pad.org
> Elizabethrouse.nfb at gmail.com
> (563) 210-1854
> “If you can see yourself as an artist, and you can see that your life is
> your own creation, then why not create the most beautiful story for
> yourself?” - Miguel Ruiz
>