[blindLaw] BlindLaw Digest, Vol 240, Issue 11

Anderson-Smitley, Timothy tandersonsmitley at centralmnlegal.org
Tue May 14 13:30:38 UTC 2024 

Hello,
I lower the jaws volume separately from the system volume using insert + space + V + J. Court admin hasn't complained about hearing any chatter from jaws. I also send an accommodation letter to the court before hearings and trials t let them to know to expect the screen-reader.
I also have my Zoom audio setting set to high for canceling background noise.
If I am using a special computer setup in a conference room with an external camera, I change the sound card output to my computer, so Jaws doesn't play thorughthe room speakers.

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: attending hearings via vc: dealing with jaws' voice
      (Tai Tomasi)
   2. Re: attending hearings via vc: dealing with jaws' voice
      (Natalia Sulca)
   3. Re: attending hearings via vc: dealing with jaws' voice
      (Tai Tomasi)
   4. Re: attending hearings via vc: dealing with jaws' voice
      (Natalia Sulca)
   5. Re: attending hearings via vc: dealing with jaws' voice
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 13 May 2024 07:59:13 -0400
From: Tai Tomasi <tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [blindLaw] attending hearings via vc: dealing with jaws'
        voice
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If you can?t figure out a less expensive solution, you might be able to attach an external sound card and plug-in a noise canceling headset for one side, while channeling jaws through a different headset on the other side.
Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.
Email: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical errors.

> On May 13, 2024, at 7:24?AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> ?I do use earphones. i set it up for jaws to to speak from one
> earpiece and the other audio channels from te other earpiece. but
> somehow, the court staff still keeps muting me. I assume because the
> noise from earpiece a carries to the other participants through earpiece b.
>
>> On Mon, 13 May 2024 at 16:42, derek dittmar via BlindLaw <
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> That was going to be my recommendation as well. I have never had this
>> issue on either of the platforms you mentioned. However, I always use
>> headphones. If for some reason that isn?t working, maybe a fair
>> accommodation would be to use a separate computer to log into the
>> voice conference and then use your computer for your notes and
>> argument? With headphones of course. Last week I was in superior
>> court here in North Carolina and just used my notes on my iPhone with
>> an AirPod. That worked great, but I did have my laptop with me and
>> available in case the judge had questions about the file that I did
>> not anticipate. Luckily, it was smooth sailing.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On May 13, 2024, at 6:59?AM, Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw <
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?Do you use a headset? I find using at least one earbud helpful. I
>>> use a
>> wired one to avoid latency issues.
>>>
>>> Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.
>>> Email: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com
>>> Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical errors.
>>>
>>>> On May 13, 2024, at 1:50?AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw <
>> blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> I often have to appear for virtual hearings via webex and zoom.
>>>> Whatever jaws speaks can be heard by the other participants on the
>>>> call. I have
>> used
>>>> the keystroke insert+space+v+arrow keys, but still that doesnot
>>>> solve
>> the
>>>> problem. he court administrators keep muting me due to the noise
>>>> that
>> jaws
>>>> makes. this prevents me from referencing my notes and arguing
>> effectively.
>>>> please help.
>>>>
>>>> Rahul
>>>>
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>>>> --
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>>>> Co-Founder, Mission Accessibility
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 13 May 2024 10:03:13 -0400
From: "Natalia Sulca" <nssulca at gmail.com>
To: "'Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [blindLaw] attending hearings via vc: dealing with jaws'
        voice
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Hi,
Have you tried lowering the jaws volume entirely to see at what level you no longer hear jaws? Maybe calling someone on your computer or recording yourself while jaws is talking to see if it bleeds through.
I use this headset that is cheap but no one hears jaws on it. I know that it says 3.5 MM but it is USB.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/seort/298662725
And these also
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0775S8X5C/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_tit
le?ie=UTF8&psc=1


They both have in line control so you can mute yourself when you are not talking and hear jaws all you need.
Best,
Natalia



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Subject: [blindLaw] attending hearings via vc: dealing with jaws' voice

Hi All,

I often have to appear for virtual hearings via webex and zoom. Whatever jaws speaks can be heard by the other participants on the call. I have used the keystroke insert+space+v+arrow keys, but still that doesnot solve the problem. he court administrators keep muting me due to the noise that jaws makes. this prevents me from referencing my notes and arguing effectively.
please help.

Rahul

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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 13 May 2024 10:12:43 -0400
From: Tai Tomasi <tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [blindLaw] attending hearings via vc: dealing with jaws'
        voice
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Let me know if you would like me to jump on a conference call via either of these platforms so we can experiment to see what will help. It might be a good idea to get a few headsets to try before this call.
Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.
Email: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical errors.

> On May 13, 2024, at 1:50?AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> ?Hi All,
>
> I often have to appear for virtual hearings via webex and zoom.
> Whatever jaws speaks can be heard by the other participants on the
> call. I have used the keystroke insert+space+v+arrow keys, but still
> that doesnot solve the problem. he court administrators keep muting me
> due to the noise that jaws makes. this prevents me from referencing my notes and arguing effectively.
> please help.
>
> Rahul
>
> --
> --
> Rahul Bajaj
> Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018), University of Oxford
> Co-Founder, Mission Accessibility
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 13 May 2024 10:22:05 -0400
From: "Natalia Sulca" <nssulca at gmail.com>
To: "'Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [blindLaw] attending hearings via vc: dealing with jaws'
        voice
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Hello,
Sure we can do that. I can guarantee they work as I have used both of these for many many hours on various platforms with jaws speaking the whole time and nothing is heard. I forgot to recommend the Jabra Evolves as well. Super comfortable and known for noise cancelling.
Good luck!
Natalia


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Sent: Monday, May 13, 2024 10:13 AM
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Cc: Tai Tomasi <tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [blindLaw] attending hearings via vc: dealing with jaws' voice

Let me know if you would like me to jump on a conference call via either of these platforms so we can experiment to see what will help. It might be a good idea to get a few headsets to try before this call.
Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.
Email: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical errors.

> On May 13, 2024, at 1:50?AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> ?Hi All,
>
> I often have to appear for virtual hearings via webex and zoom.
> Whatever jaws speaks can be heard by the other participants on the
> call. I have used the keystroke insert+space+v+arrow keys, but still
> that doesnot solve the problem. he court administrators keep muting me
> due to the noise that jaws makes. this prevents me from referencing my notes and arguing effectively.
> please help.
>
> Rahul
>
> --
> --
> Rahul Bajaj
> Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018), University of Oxford
> Co-Founder, Mission Accessibility
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 13 May 2024 12:49:18 -0400
From: <tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com>
To: "'Blind Law Mailing List'" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [blindLaw] attending hearings via vc: dealing with jaws'
        voice
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Sorry, my response was intended for Rahul. Rahul, let me know if you want to get on a video call on one or multiple platforms to experiment and discuss potential solutions.

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Subject: Re: [blindLaw] attending hearings via vc: dealing with jaws' voice

Hello,
Sure we can do that. I can guarantee they work as I have used both of these for many many hours on various platforms with jaws speaking the whole time and nothing is heard. I forgot to recommend the Jabra Evolves as well. Super comfortable and known for noise cancelling.
Good luck!
Natalia


-----Original Message-----
From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2024 10:13 AM
To: Blind Law Mailing List <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Tai Tomasi <tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [blindLaw] attending hearings via vc: dealing with jaws' voice

Let me know if you would like me to jump on a conference call via either of these platforms so we can experiment to see what will help. It might be a good idea to get a few headsets to try before this call.
Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A.
Email: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical errors.

> On May 13, 2024, at 1:50?AM, Rahul Bajaj via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> ?Hi All,
>
> I often have to appear for virtual hearings via webex and zoom.
> Whatever jaws speaks can be heard by the other participants on the
> call. I have used the keystroke insert+space+v+arrow keys, but still
> that doesnot solve the problem. he court administrators keep muting me
> due to the noise that jaws makes. this prevents me from referencing my notes and arguing effectively.
> please help.
>
> Rahul
>
> --
> --
> Rahul Bajaj
> Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018), University of Oxford
> Co-Founder, Mission Accessibility
> _______________________________________________
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