From syedwaqasalishah0313 at gmail.com Tue Oct 1 08:51:57 2024 From: syedwaqasalishah0313 at gmail.com (Syed Waqas Ali Shah) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2024 13:51:57 +0500 Subject: [blindLaw] info regarding GRE exam Message-ID: Hi everyone. I hope you all are doing well. I am planning to take the GRE exam soon. Is there any accessible prep course available in the market, which can be helpful for the exam. Another huge issue with which I am facing is the mathematical portion of the GRE exam. I don't know how to prepare for the mathematical portion of the exam. I studied maths at school when I was sighted. I lost my eyesight a few years back. That's why I didn't learn braille,however I can use JAWS. Is there anyone who took this exam and can help me to prepare for GRE and how to deal with the mathematical portion of the exam? Regards Syed Waqas Ali Shah -- www.linkedin.com/in/syed-waqas-ali-shah-9368931a9 From Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Tue Oct 1 16:14:24 2024 From: Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov (Nightingale, Noel) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2024 16:14:24 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] Legal Update - August 2024 - Converge Accessibility - September 3, 2024 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: https://convergeaccessibility.com/2024/09/03/legal-update-august-2024/ Legal Update - August 2024 By Ken Nakata Converge Accessibility September 3, 2024 Up here in Seattle, summer starts and ends late. Even though it's the end of August, we can expect to see warm, sunny days through early October, but there will also be occasional days that forebode the dark times ahead. Familiar Concepts in This Month's Cases As far as judicial opinions go, August wasn't very exciting. Nonetheless, I think briefly reviewing what happened this month is helpful. Two Nexus Cases From Across the Country In Salazar v. Victoria's Secret & Company, 2024 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 142433 (N.D. Cal. Aug. 9, 2024), Vivian Salazar sued Victoria's Secret because she was unable to order products from the company's website for in-store pickup. The company moved to dismiss the complaint on several grounds, including the lack of an alleged nexus. The court held that the barriers on Victoria's Secret website allegedly "prohibited her from using the website to order goods for in-store pickup, which the Court finds sufficient to state an ADA claim." Id., at *9-10. On the other side of the country, in Herrera v. Humana, Inc., 2024 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 146411 (D.N.J. Aug. 15, 2024), the court held that an insurance company could not be sued when the plaintiff's only alleged nexus was that denial of insurance coverage affected his ability to access services at a doctor's office. That outcome shouldn't come as a surprise because the doctor's offices (a physical place of public accommodation) has no connection to the insurance company. Boilerplate Complaints Are Not Specific Enough Wahab v. White's Boots, 2024 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 146892 (S.D.N.Y. Aug. 16, 2024) involved a plaintiff named Angela Wahab who was trying to buy a pair of lace-to-toe workman boots for winter. She was unable to buy her boots from the defendant's company because of seven specific barriers: (1) missing alt-text; (2) hidden elements on web pages; (3) incorrectly formatted lists; (4) unannounced pop ups; (5) unclear labels for interactive elements; (6) the requirement that some events be performed solely with a mouse; and (7) broken hyperlinks. The court noted that, viewed in isolation, this probably would have been fine to allege an injury. The problem? Angela Wahab alleged those same seven barriers in 67 other complaints! When the court examined further, it then found that Ms. Wahab's attorney (Stein Saks) had used the same seven barriers in over 500 web accessibility complaints in the last 14 months in the Southern and Eastern Districts of New York. The court explained that, given her reliance on repeating the same types of general allegations, "at the very least, Plaintiff must allege some facts explaining which barriers impeded her ability to purchase the Lace-to-Toe boots and how they did so." Id., at *27. Accordingly, the court dismissed her complaint. Getting Picky about Personal Jurisdiction Plaintiffs suing an out-of-state company because its website is inaccessible need to establish that the defendant does business in the district in which they are being sued. This requirement is called, "personal jurisdiction" and refers to whether a court can exercise jurisdiction over a "person" (in this case, a company). But what if the plaintiff couldn't complete an online transaction and has no idea if the company has transacted any other business in the district? In that case, it makes sense for the court to allow the parties to engage in limited discovery to see how much business the defendant does in the district before ruling on whether the case should be dismissed. That's basically the summary of what happened this month in Zelvin v. H. Heritage, Inc., 2024 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 143959 (S.D.N.Y. Aug. 9, 2024). Okay, but what if the defendant never responds and you get a default judgment? In that case, how can a plaintiff allege personal jurisdiction if the defendant just refuses to appear? In that case, can you simply allege that the defendant does business in the district without actually showing business in the district? This is the situation facing serial plaintiff Windy Lucius in Lucius v. Untuckit Florida, LLC, 2024 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 153706 (Aug. 26, 2024). In this case, the magistrate judge took an even more pedantic position because Ms. Lucius had identified exactly where Untuckit had a physical store in the district. Nonetheless, the magistrate judge recommended dismissing the default judgment because she failed to identify when she encountered the online barrier and whether the store existed at the time of the alleged discrimination. So the case may get dismissed, Windy gets to try again and spruce up her complaint, and everyone wastes their time going through the same exercise again with a different result. Good Luck Getting an Attorney to Pay Attorney's Fees Section 12205 of the ADA authorizes the court to award reasonable attorney fees to the prevailing party. Oddly, defendants are held to a higher standard and can only recover attorney fees if the plaintiff's case is found frivolous. Christiansburg Garment Co. v. Equal Employment Opportunity Comm'n, 434 U.S. 412 (1978). In Morgan v. Zarco Hotels, 2024 Cal. App. Unpub. LEXIS 5218 (Aug. 21, 2024), the plaintiff filed a complaint but it was soon kicked out because the defendant was able to show that it had no merit. Then the defendant sought attorney fees from the plaintiff's counsel and not the named plaintiff. Surely, they should get them, right? Well, no, the court held in this unpublished opinion, because fee shifting provisions like this don't work as a sanction against counsel unless the statute specifically says so. How to Successfully Plead "Intent to Return" in SDNY In Velazquez v. The Spice and Tea Exchange, 2024 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 154162 (S.D.N.Y. Aug. 22, 2024), serial plaintiff Bryan Velaszquez filed over a hundred lawsuits against different companies. In his lawsuit against The Spice and Tea Exchange, the defendants moved to dismiss and the magistrate judge held that he had satisfied the "intent to return" requirement that has doomed so many other plaintiffs in the Southern District of New York. What magical incantations did Mr. Velazquez use to avoid getting his lawsuit kicked out? He simply pointed out how unique the defendant's products were for his specific needs. Mr. Velazquez claimed that his medical condition required him to reduce his sugar intake-and that the defendant's products were sugar-free and tasted good without requiring the addition of sugar. According to the magistrate judge, a serial plaintiff needs to allege something unique about the defendant's products that appeal to the plaintiff to meet the Calcano intent-to-return requirement. Section 508 Refresh Act Last month, I mentioned the Section 508 Refresh Act that Senators Bob Casey (D-Pa.), Ron Wyden (D-Ore.), John Fetterman (D-Pa.), and Tammy Duckworth (D-Ill.) had introduced, but I couldn't find it. Well, it finally showed up on Congress.gov as the Section 508 Refresh Act of 2024, S. 4766. I think this bill is going nowhere. Even Lexis reports that it has a low chance of making it to the next stage. The problem is that it adds controversial requirements such as, Vendors would have to pay a penalty of at least 3% of the contract value if their products or services did not fully meet the Section 508 requirements. Section 7(a)(2)(D). Vendors would be given an incentive of 3% of the contract value to tattle on federal agencies that fail to include Section 508 fully into their procurements. Section 7(b). Only products that are fully compliant would be allowed to be included in the Federal Risk and Authorization Management Program (FedRAMP). Section 7(d). Software that doesn't comply with the Section 508 standards would need to be remediated or removed within 90 days that it was found to be non-compliant. Section 8(c). I might agree (reluctantly) that some of these ideas were sound if ICT products could easily be made accessible. The reality, however, is that ICT evolves too quickly for a confusing set of guidelines like WCAG to keep up in product design and development. California AB 1757-Is it Alive or Dead? Remember California AB 1757? We've blogged about it several times-most recently just two months ago. Earlier this month, there were rumors floating around that it was dead. But then in the middle of the month, it was amended. The latest changes appear to lay less emphasis on having an IAAP-certified CPWA evaluator for websites. It also makes it clear that hosting companies that do not design or develop websites are not liable under the law. Otherwise, it still keeps website designers and developers on the hook for liability. Of course, it's hard to say where the bill is going to go. World Senior Citizen's Day and Digital Accessibility August 21st was World Senior Citizen's Day and my Lexis feed lit up with articles from smaller newspapers explaining that the need to increase digital accessibility to meet the needs of our aging populations. For instance, the Hamilton Spectator discussed the issue in one of its articles. While I wouldn't classify my opinions as a "legal update," I felt compelled to offer a few thoughts about this topic. Do I think that making websites comply with WCAG will help older users? Yes, but only marginally. Instead, I think the needs of older users and the needs of people with disabilities are overlapping circles in a Venn diagram. Why is that? Older users are unlikely to swarm to using assistive technologies commonly used by people with disabilities like screen readers. This means that things like using aria-expanded on accordion controls to meet WCAG 4.1.3 won't affect older users one bit. Instead, I think that older users most need a simpler user interface. I base this opinion on my worldwide survey of n=1 but, if this is true, then older users are most similar to users with cognitive impairments-a group with needs that WCAG hasn't addressed. Can Overlays be the Answer? I know I will raise a few hackles with the next statement, but here goes: Until we get effective, workable guidelines for addressing the needs of people with cognitive disabilities, (well-designed) overlays could be the most effective solution. Heresy? Perhaps... but hear me out. If a website were designed to WCAG 2.1 A/AA, then it would have a proper programmatic structure (WCAG 1.3.1). A popup widget would then be able to easily create an outline of the page using elements tagged at headers-and create an easy-to-use outline of those headers for the user. Plus, large language model AI systems are quite good at taking blocks of text and simplifying the content. That means even a web page with complex content (e.g. this legal blog) could be easily reduced to plain English. Of course, the overlay would have to be well-designed, not interfere with assistive technology, be able to be easily dismissed-and, of course, not marketed as a web accessibility solution. If you want to start throwing garbage and rotten eggs at me now, go ahead. I'm from Seattle so I've got lots of rainwear. Disclaimer Nothing in this post should be interpreted as legal advice or as forming an attorney-client relationship. It is offered for educational purposes only. You should always contact a qualified attorney in your area to discuss your legal rights and responsibilities. From ccmlhe at gmail.com Thu Oct 3 01:15:48 2024 From: ccmlhe at gmail.com (ccmlhe at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2024 21:15:48 -0400 Subject: [blindLaw] Moving around the courtroom Message-ID: <25ECAB83-65C6-4337-821D-2F8532643B48@gmail.com> Hi. Does anyone have any advice for moving around the courtroom during trials? How to approach witnesses, find the podium, move around the room as you’re speaking, and do this successfully? Do you use your cane? If so, what do you do with it when you’re at the podium? What about if you choose not to use a podium when giving your opening statement for example? Where do you put your cane? Do you have it in your hand? Any advice would be great. Thank you From kaybaycar at gmail.com Thu Oct 3 14:04:17 2024 From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie A. Orozco) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2024 10:04:17 -0400 Subject: [blindLaw] Moving around the courtroom In-Reply-To: <25ECAB83-65C6-4337-821D-2F8532643B48@gmail.com> References: <25ECAB83-65C6-4337-821D-2F8532643B48@gmail.com> Message-ID: <025701db159d$22ca1780$685e4680$@gmail.com> Hi Ceci, I don't have any real-world courtroom experience yet, but I'll share what worked for me in law school. I used to try and spend time in the room before I had to present. I used my cane to find everything: witness stand, defense and prosecution table, and even where the judge sits. In the smaller rooms, I learned the layout well enough that I could navigate without my cane. I practiced walking to and from the witness stand and finding where I would go to give opening and closing statements. In the bigger courtrooms, I kept my cane on me if I knew I would have to approach the witness. Otherwise, I kept it at the counsel table where I was sitting. The only reason I hesitated to bring my cane with me was that I had my Braille display, and I wanted that to read my notes when questioning witnesses. I didn't enjoy juggling a cane and a Braille display. I would just start by asking your professors to give you some time in the rooms where you will be doing trial work. Get to know the room, and then decide for yourself when and how using your cane works for you. The key is that you remain comfortable and confident at all times. Hope this helps, Julie -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Cecilia Martinez via BlindLaw Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2024 9:16 PM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Cc: ccmlhe at gmail.com Subject: [blindLaw] Moving around the courtroom Hi. Does anyone have any advice for moving around the courtroom during trials? How to approach witnesses, find the podium, move around the room as you’re speaking, and do this successfully? Do you use your cane? If so, what do you do with it when you’re at the podium? What about if you choose not to use a podium when giving your opening statement for example? Where do you put your cane? Do you have it in your hand? Any advice would be great. Thank you _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com From laurenbishop96 at icloud.com Thu Oct 3 14:05:40 2024 From: laurenbishop96 at icloud.com (Lauren Bishop) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2024 10:05:40 -0400 Subject: [blindLaw] Moving around the courtroom In-Reply-To: <25ECAB83-65C6-4337-821D-2F8532643B48@gmail.com> References: <25ECAB83-65C6-4337-821D-2F8532643B48@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello, I did trial advocacy and law school as well as a nonjury trial. What I would do is get oriented to the court room before the proceedings began. For my trials, I would generally stand at council table and give whatever testimony I needed to give. I learned the route from cat consult table to the witness stand and to the bench if I needed to approach a witness, publish and exhibit, or show something to the judge. I have tried moving around the courtroom, both ways, with and without a cane. With a cane, I felt a lot less clumsy, and like I actually stood tall and could walk confidently. Without a cane, I felt slow. I generally would bring a folding cane as a back up because I use a guide dog. I think I just held the cane approached witness last time, and folded it in half to place it under the table. If you have a guide dog, you could probably train it to target the different areas in the court room . I never tried this because my guide at the time was older and giving stubborn by the day. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 2, 2024, at 9:17 PM, Cecilia Martinez via BlindLaw wrote: > > Hi. Does anyone have any advice for moving around the courtroom during trials? How to approach witnesses, find the podium, move around the room as you’re speaking, and do this successfully? Do you use your cane? If so, what do you do with it when you’re at the podium? What about if you choose not to use a podium when giving your opening statement for example? Where do you put your cane? Do you have it in your hand? Any advice would be great. > > Thank you > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/laurenbishop96%40icloud.com From rodalcidonis at gmail.com Thu Oct 3 14:51:09 2024 From: rodalcidonis at gmail.com (Rod Alcidonis) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2024 10:51:09 -0400 Subject: [blindLaw] Moving around the courtroom In-Reply-To: <25ECAB83-65C6-4337-821D-2F8532643B48@gmail.com> References: <25ECAB83-65C6-4337-821D-2F8532643B48@gmail.com> Message-ID: <004c01db15a3$af6b77f0$0e4267d0$@gmail.com> You've already received great suggestions. If you regularly practice in that courtroom, you will eventually learn your way. For me, if it is my first time in the particular courtroom, I always play it safe -- never move around without my cane. Certain times the clerk would assist with passing exhibits back and forth. Again, it depends. There have been times when I used an assistant to pass exhibits back and forth. To approach the bench, I use my cane. The last thing I want is for someone to have moved a chair in my way and for me to run into it on my way back to counsel table. To go between the podium and counsel table, in small courtrooms, once you get the hang of it, you will not need your cane. As a blind lawyer though, be careful with the concept as it might easily backfire. By that I mean, you need to keep your movement to a minimum when you are actively presenting. The last thing you want is to move away when the judge or a juror might actively be looking at you and demonstrating interests in your argument. Rod -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Cecilia Martinez via BlindLaw Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2024 9:16 PM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Cc: ccmlhe at gmail.com Subject: [blindLaw] Moving around the courtroom Hi. Does anyone have any advice for moving around the courtroom during trials? How to approach witnesses, find the podium, move around the room as you’re speaking, and do this successfully? Do you use your cane? If so, what do you do with it when you’re at the podium? What about if you choose not to use a podium when giving your opening statement for example? Where do you put your cane? Do you have it in your hand? Any advice would be great. Thank you _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/rodalcidonis%40gmail.com From syedwaqasalishah0313 at gmail.com Thu Oct 3 17:47:32 2024 From: syedwaqasalishah0313 at gmail.com (Syed Waqas Ali Shah) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2024 22:47:32 +0500 Subject: [blindLaw] Info regarding GRE exam Message-ID: Hi everyone: hope you all are doing well. I need some tips regarding Gre exam. Is there is anyone here who took this exam in the recent past? I don't know from where I should prepare for this exam. Another huge issue for me is I lost my eyesight a couple years ago due to which I didn't get a chance to learn braille. However, I am using Jaws as my primary screen reader but don't know how to tackle the mathematical portion of the Gre exam. Is there anyone who would like to connect and can offer any tips to tackle the above issues. Regards Syed Waqas Ali Shah -- www.linkedin.com/in/syed-waqas-ali-shah-9368931a9 From p.harpur at law.uq.edu.au Thu Oct 3 20:09:23 2024 From: p.harpur at law.uq.edu.au (Paul Harpur) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2024 20:09:23 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] Moving around the courtroom In-Reply-To: <025701db159d$22ca1780$685e4680$@gmail.com> References: <25ECAB83-65C6-4337-821D-2F8532643B48@gmail.com> <025701db159d$22ca1780$685e4680$@gmail.com> Message-ID: In law school I had time in the courtroom to navigate around it. It is a reasonable accommodation. When navigating around the courtoorm at school, I'd suggest you take someone with you to help. Also hire a speech coach and practice at speaking club or in front of those who can give critical perspectives on how you hold your body, arms and the like. You want your own style, but you want to know how others do it and interpret what you do. Professor Paul Harpur OAM   BBus (HRm), LLB (Hons) LLM, PhD, FHEA, solicitor of the High Court of Australia (non-practicing), PLY The University of Queensland Law School (TEQSA PRV12080)  Associate, Harvard Law School Project on Disability Australian Research Council Future Fellow Member of the Higher Education Standards Panel “Universities train the disability leaders of tomorrow, employ the disability leaders of today, and produce research and innovation which can make the world more inclusive”.  Paul Harpur, ‘Universities as Disability Champions of Change’ TEDx.   -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Julie A. Orozco via BlindLaw Sent: Friday, 4 October 2024 12:04 AM To: 'Blind Law Mailing List' Cc: Julie A. Orozco Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Moving around the courtroom Hi Ceci, I don't have any real-world courtroom experience yet, but I'll share what worked for me in law school. I used to try and spend time in the room before I had to present. I used my cane to find everything: witness stand, defense and prosecution table, and even where the judge sits. In the smaller rooms, I learned the layout well enough that I could navigate without my cane. I practiced walking to and from the witness stand and finding where I would go to give opening and closing statements. In the bigger courtrooms, I kept my cane on me if I knew I would have to approach the witness. Otherwise, I kept it at the counsel table where I was sitting. The only reason I hesitated to bring my cane with me was that I had my Braille display, and I wanted that to read my notes when questioning witnesses. I didn't enjoy juggling a cane and a Braille display. I would just start by asking your professors to give you some time in the rooms where you will be doing trial work. Get to know the room, and then decide for yourself when and how using your cane works for you. The key is that you remain comfortable and confident at all times. Hope this helps, Julie -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Cecilia Martinez via BlindLaw Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2024 9:16 PM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Cc: ccmlhe at gmail.com Subject: [blindLaw] Moving around the courtroom Hi. Does anyone have any advice for moving around the courtroom during trials? How to approach witnesses, find the podium, move around the room as you’re speaking, and do this successfully? Do you use your cane? If so, what do you do with it when you’re at the podium? What about if you choose not to use a podium when giving your opening statement for example? Where do you put your cane? Do you have it in your hand? Any advice would be great. Thank you _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/paulharpur%40gmail.com From abagais1 at hotmail.com Sun Oct 6 22:34:56 2024 From: abagais1 at hotmail.com (Abdulrahman Bagais) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2024 22:34:56 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] Bone conduction & open-ear headphones Message-ID: Hi everyone, As a totally blind person, I use in-ear headphones every day for long hours in the office, which has been very annoying since that causes issues for my ears, namely the prolonged usage caused more earwax and consequently my ears get blocked regularly. I’m thinking now of shifting to bone conduction or open-air headphones, but not sure how efficient they would be when I pair them with my laptop through Bluetooth, as I think there is usually some delay with the sound of the screen reader when using Bluetooth headphones. If anyone has tried bone conduction headphones with the screen reader, would be grateful for any information about how good its connection with laptops. And what types would you recommend? Best Regards, Abdul From mrallman116 at gmail.com Sun Oct 6 22:52:54 2024 From: mrallman116 at gmail.com (mrallman116 at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2024 18:52:54 -0400 Subject: [blindLaw] Bone conduction & open-ear headphones In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I use aftershocks with multi point pairing. The cut off in speech with the Bluetooth headphones isn’t perfect but there’s a jaws setting you can change to make that slightly better I forget which one it is. I use those often at work though. I will tell you though ever since I went to Windows 10 I found that multi point pairing does not work very well. For example, I cannot seamlessly switch between my iPhone and the screen reader on the computer like I used to be able to. Good luck. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 6, 2024, at 6:36 PM, Abdulrahman Bagais via BlindLaw wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > As a totally blind person, I use in-ear headphones every day for long hours in the office, which has been very annoying since that causes issues for my ears, namely the prolonged usage caused more earwax and consequently my ears get blocked regularly. I’m thinking now of shifting to bone conduction or open-air headphones, but not sure how efficient they would be when I pair them with my laptop through Bluetooth, as I think there is usually some delay with the sound of the screen reader when using Bluetooth headphones. > > If anyone has tried bone conduction headphones with the screen reader, would be grateful for any information about how good its connection with laptops. And what types would you recommend? > > Best Regards, > Abdul > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrallman116%40gmail.com From tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com Mon Oct 7 00:17:12 2024 From: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com (Tai Tomasi) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2024 19:17:12 -0500 Subject: [blindLaw] Bone conduction & open-ear headphones In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I like bone conduction headphones. You can also buy them corded so that there would be no latency with your laptop. Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A. Email: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical errors. > On Oct 6, 2024, at 5:53 PM, Melissa Allman via BlindLaw wrote: > > I use aftershocks with multi point pairing. The cut off in speech with the Bluetooth headphones isn’t perfect but there’s a jaws setting you can change to make that slightly better I forget which one it is. I use those often at work though. I will tell you though ever since I went to Windows 10 I found that multi point pairing does not work very well. For example, I cannot seamlessly switch between my iPhone and the screen reader on the computer like I used to be able to. Good luck. > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 6, 2024, at 6:36 PM, Abdulrahman Bagais via BlindLaw wrote: >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> As a totally blind person, I use in-ear headphones every day for long hours in the office, which has been very annoying since that causes issues for my ears, namely the prolonged usage caused more earwax and consequently my ears get blocked regularly. I’m thinking now of shifting to bone conduction or open-air headphones, but not sure how efficient they would be when I pair them with my laptop through Bluetooth, as I think there is usually some delay with the sound of the screen reader when using Bluetooth headphones. >> >> If anyone has tried bone conduction headphones with the screen reader, would be grateful for any information about how good its connection with laptops. And what types would you recommend? >> >> Best Regards, >> Abdul >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrallman116%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/tai.tomasi8%40gmail.com From tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com Mon Oct 7 00:18:34 2024 From: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com (Tai Tomasi) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2024 19:18:34 -0500 Subject: [blindLaw] Bone conduction & open-ear headphones In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <89409352-CD5C-428F-967C-1C4C892B9F50@gmail.com> Like Melissa, I have had issues with multi point pairing. There is some latency when using Bluetooth, but there are jaws settings you can change to improve this. Try the corded type if you can find them. Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A. Email: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical errors. > On Oct 6, 2024, at 5:53 PM, Melissa Allman via BlindLaw wrote: > > I use aftershocks with multi point pairing. The cut off in speech with the Bluetooth headphones isn’t perfect but there’s a jaws setting you can change to make that slightly better I forget which one it is. I use those often at work though. I will tell you though ever since I went to Windows 10 I found that multi point pairing does not work very well. For example, I cannot seamlessly switch between my iPhone and the screen reader on the computer like I used to be able to. Good luck. > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 6, 2024, at 6:36 PM, Abdulrahman Bagais via BlindLaw wrote: >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> As a totally blind person, I use in-ear headphones every day for long hours in the office, which has been very annoying since that causes issues for my ears, namely the prolonged usage caused more earwax and consequently my ears get blocked regularly. I’m thinking now of shifting to bone conduction or open-air headphones, but not sure how efficient they would be when I pair them with my laptop through Bluetooth, as I think there is usually some delay with the sound of the screen reader when using Bluetooth headphones. >> >> If anyone has tried bone conduction headphones with the screen reader, would be grateful for any information about how good its connection with laptops. And what types would you recommend? >> >> Best Regards, >> Abdul >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrallman116%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/tai.tomasi8%40gmail.com From seifs at umich.edu Mon Oct 7 07:15:39 2024 From: seifs at umich.edu (Seif-Eldeen Saqallah) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2024 03:15:39 -0400 Subject: [blindLaw] Bone conduction & open-ear headphones In-Reply-To: <89409352-CD5C-428F-967C-1C4C892B9F50@gmail.com> References: <89409352-CD5C-428F-967C-1C4C892B9F50@gmail.com> Message-ID: I honestly prefer on-ear headphones. In large settings where I tried using BCT (bone-conduction technology), the sound was not as clear, I had to increase the volume, and my head hurt more afterwards. It does not feel that great/lasting for me. For bct headphones, I had to increase the volume to a higher amount in office settings; but for on-ear, I usually have the volume less than 5% or so. I like on-ear headphones because they are not in the ear (like buds), over ear (surrounding like noise-cancelling), and can be moved/adjusted, so that one ear hears the outside more if wanted. They are harder to find though, especially with the cord. The one I currently prefer (cheaper option) is $10 for Amazon.com: Panasonic Headphones On-Ear Lightweight with XBS RP-HT21 (Black & Silver) : Electronics https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00004T8R2/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 Sincerely, Seif From mrallman116 at gmail.com Mon Oct 7 13:06:10 2024 From: mrallman116 at gmail.com (mrallman116 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2024 09:06:10 -0400 Subject: [blindLaw] Bone conduction & open-ear headphones In-Reply-To: <89409352-CD5C-428F-967C-1C4C892B9F50@gmail.com> References: <89409352-CD5C-428F-967C-1C4C892B9F50@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47F673DA-C74F-4CCA-8DCF-F9667D7E0DBF@gmail.com> Before the more recent design I also found that they broke easily because they were not very flexible when sticking them in carry-ons etc. That could just be me though being too rough on them. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 6, 2024, at 8:20 PM, Tai Tomasi via BlindLaw wrote: > > Like Melissa, I have had issues with multi point pairing. There is some latency when using Bluetooth, but there are jaws settings you can change to improve this. Try the corded type if you can find them. > Tai Tomasi, J.D., M.P.A. > Email: tai.tomasi8 at gmail.com > Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse my brevity and any grammatical errors. > >> On Oct 6, 2024, at 5:53 PM, Melissa Allman via BlindLaw wrote: >> >> I use aftershocks with multi point pairing. The cut off in speech with the Bluetooth headphones isn’t perfect but there’s a jaws setting you can change to make that slightly better I forget which one it is. I use those often at work though. I will tell you though ever since I went to Windows 10 I found that multi point pairing does not work very well. For example, I cannot seamlessly switch between my iPhone and the screen reader on the computer like I used to be able to. Good luck. >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Oct 6, 2024, at 6:36 PM, Abdulrahman Bagais via BlindLaw wrote: >>> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> As a totally blind person, I use in-ear headphones every day for long hours in the office, which has been very annoying since that causes issues for my ears, namely the prolonged usage caused more earwax and consequently my ears get blocked regularly. I’m thinking now of shifting to bone conduction or open-air headphones, but not sure how efficient they would be when I pair them with my laptop through Bluetooth, as I think there is usually some delay with the sound of the screen reader when using Bluetooth headphones. >>> >>> If anyone has tried bone conduction headphones with the screen reader, would be grateful for any information about how good its connection with laptops. And what types would you recommend? >>> >>> Best Regards, >>> Abdul >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BlindLaw mailing list >>> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrallman116%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/tai.tomasi8%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrallman116%40gmail.com From agtolentino at gmail.com Mon Oct 7 13:16:46 2024 From: agtolentino at gmail.com (Aser Tolentino) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2024 09:16:46 -0400 Subject: [blindLaw] Bone conduction & open-ear headphones In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54F0A621-B4EE-4AEC-9BC2-5E971DCCAF87@gmail.com> I think I have owned examples of the last five generations of Shokz bone conduction headphones. As previously noted, in crowded, noisy settings they aren’t as ideal because they just can’t compete with the volume of the outside world. The latest OpenRunPro 2 is better at this since it combines the open earbud tech of their OpenFit design with the bone conduction of the OpenRun Pro released in 2022. Another possible option is the OpenComm 2, which comes with a USB dongle to provide a dedicated Bluetooth connection to a PC that seemed in my experience more reliable than going through the BT chip on the computer, since the average Windows PC has terrible Bluetooth audio support. The OpenComm 2 also has a very capable boom-mounted noise canceling microphone for calls and video conferencing with a mute button. They have a 16 hour battery, so I have had days where I’ve put them on shortly after getting up and worn them with little interruption until going to bed. On the other hand, those Panasonics are very comfortable, don’t have to be charged, and sound surprisingly good. My supervisor in a previous job contemplated buying an entire case of the things when supply became limited shortly before the pandemic. > On Oct 7, 2024, at 3:17 AM, Seif-Eldeen Saqallah via BlindLaw wrote: > > I honestly prefer on-ear headphones. In large settings where I tried using > BCT (bone-conduction technology), the sound was not as clear, I had to > increase the volume, and my head hurt more afterwards. It does not feel > that great/lasting for me. For bct headphones, I had to increase the volume > to a higher amount in office settings; but for on-ear, I usually have the > volume less than 5% or so. > I like on-ear headphones because they are not in the ear (like buds), over > ear (surrounding like noise-cancelling), and can be moved/adjusted, so that > one ear hears the outside more if wanted. They are harder to find though, > especially with the cord. > The one I currently prefer (cheaper option) is > $10 for Amazon.com: Panasonic Headphones On-Ear Lightweight with XBS > RP-HT21 (Black & Silver) : Electronics > https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00004T8R2/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 > > Sincerely, > Seif > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/agtolentino%40gmail.com From mrallman116 at gmail.com Mon Oct 7 13:37:30 2024 From: mrallman116 at gmail.com (mrallman116 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2024 09:37:30 -0400 Subject: [blindLaw] Bone conduction & open-ear headphones In-Reply-To: <54F0A621-B4EE-4AEC-9BC2-5E971DCCAF87@gmail.com> References: <54F0A621-B4EE-4AEC-9BC2-5E971DCCAF87@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8088884F-8868-434A-BE9C-83577942570E@gmail.com> I’ve always wondered if the bone conduction headphones are damaging to our hearing overtime the way that the ones you put in your ears are. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 7, 2024, at 9:18 AM, Aser Tolentino via BlindLaw wrote: > > I think I have owned examples of the last five generations of Shokz bone conduction headphones. As previously noted, in crowded, noisy settings they aren’t as ideal because they just can’t compete with the volume of the outside world. The latest OpenRunPro 2 is better at this since it combines the open earbud tech of their OpenFit design with the bone conduction of the OpenRun Pro released in 2022. Another possible option is the OpenComm 2, which comes with a USB dongle to provide a dedicated Bluetooth connection to a PC that seemed in my experience more reliable than going through the BT chip on the computer, since the average Windows PC has terrible Bluetooth audio support. The OpenComm 2 also has a very capable boom-mounted noise canceling microphone for calls and video conferencing with a mute button. They have a 16 hour battery, so I have had days where I’ve put them on shortly after getting up and worn them with little interruption until going to bed. > > On the other hand, those Panasonics are very comfortable, don’t have to be charged, and sound surprisingly good. My supervisor in a previous job contemplated buying an entire case of the things when supply became limited shortly before the pandemic. > >> On Oct 7, 2024, at 3:17 AM, Seif-Eldeen Saqallah via BlindLaw wrote: >> >> I honestly prefer on-ear headphones. In large settings where I tried using >> BCT (bone-conduction technology), the sound was not as clear, I had to >> increase the volume, and my head hurt more afterwards. It does not feel >> that great/lasting for me. For bct headphones, I had to increase the volume >> to a higher amount in office settings; but for on-ear, I usually have the >> volume less than 5% or so. >> I like on-ear headphones because they are not in the ear (like buds), over >> ear (surrounding like noise-cancelling), and can be moved/adjusted, so that >> one ear hears the outside more if wanted. They are harder to find though, >> especially with the cord. >> The one I currently prefer (cheaper option) is >> $10 for Amazon.com: Panasonic Headphones On-Ear Lightweight with XBS >> RP-HT21 (Black & Silver) : Electronics >> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00004T8R2/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 >> >> Sincerely, >> Seif >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/agtolentino%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrallman116%40gmail.com From lmendez716 at gmail.com Mon Oct 7 16:09:44 2024 From: lmendez716 at gmail.com (lmendez716 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2024 12:09:44 -0400 Subject: [blindLaw] Bone conduction & open-ear headphones In-Reply-To: <8088884F-8868-434A-BE9C-83577942570E@gmail.com> References: <54F0A621-B4EE-4AEC-9BC2-5E971DCCAF87@gmail.com> <8088884F-8868-434A-BE9C-83577942570E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <017d01db18d3$53eabb60$fbc03220$@gmail.com> Good morning: I received a pair of Oladance headphones as a present a year ago. I will paste a description of the product from Amazon in this email. They are multipoint open ear Bluetooth headphones which I have paired with my iphone and a Windows PC. I haven't noticed any latency issues while using them. In addition, they are very good when listening to music. I have noticed a bit of discomfort after prolonged use. However, I do have somewhat large ears so that may be a factor. The headphones are a bit chunky; so if you are particular about appearance, or work in an environment where appearance is important, that may be a consideration. 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Best, Luis -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Melissa Allman via BlindLaw Sent: Monday, October 7, 2024 9:38 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: mrallman116 at gmail.com Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Bone conduction & open-ear headphones I’ve always wondered if the bone conduction headphones are damaging to our hearing overtime the way that the ones you put in your ears are. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 7, 2024, at 9:18 AM, Aser Tolentino via BlindLaw wrote: > > I think I have owned examples of the last five generations of Shokz bone conduction headphones. As previously noted, in crowded, noisy settings they aren’t as ideal because they just can’t compete with the volume of the outside world. The latest OpenRunPro 2 is better at this since it combines the open earbud tech of their OpenFit design with the bone conduction of the OpenRun Pro released in 2022. Another possible option is the OpenComm 2, which comes with a USB dongle to provide a dedicated Bluetooth connection to a PC that seemed in my experience more reliable than going through the BT chip on the computer, since the average Windows PC has terrible Bluetooth audio support. The OpenComm 2 also has a very capable boom-mounted noise canceling microphone for calls and video conferencing with a mute button. They have a 16 hour battery, so I have had days where I’ve put them on shortly after getting up and worn them with little interruption until going to bed. > > On the other hand, those Panasonics are very comfortable, don’t have to be charged, and sound surprisingly good. My supervisor in a previous job contemplated buying an entire case of the things when supply became limited shortly before the pandemic. > >> On Oct 7, 2024, at 3:17 AM, Seif-Eldeen Saqallah via BlindLaw wrote: >> >> I honestly prefer on-ear headphones. In large settings where I tried >> using BCT (bone-conduction technology), the sound was not as clear, I >> had to increase the volume, and my head hurt more afterwards. It does >> not feel that great/lasting for me. For bct headphones, I had to >> increase the volume to a higher amount in office settings; but for >> on-ear, I usually have the volume less than 5% or so. >> I like on-ear headphones because they are not in the ear (like buds), >> over ear (surrounding like noise-cancelling), and can be >> moved/adjusted, so that one ear hears the outside more if wanted. >> They are harder to find though, especially with the cord. >> The one I currently prefer (cheaper option) is >> $10 for Amazon.com: Panasonic Headphones On-Ear Lightweight with XBS >> RP-HT21 (Black & Silver) : Electronics >> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00004T8R2/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_a >> sin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 >> >> Sincerely, >> Seif >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/agtolentino%40g >> mail.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrallman116%40gm > ail.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/lmendez716%40gmail.com From abagais1 at hotmail.com Mon Oct 7 21:23:50 2024 From: abagais1 at hotmail.com (Abdulrahman Bagais) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2024 21:23:50 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] Bone conduction & open-ear headphones In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Many thanks for this, Mrallman. If you don’t mind asking, what model do you use? Based on my quick research, it seems like Shokz OpenComm2 UC comes with a USB-C that can be used for connection with BC, which can be very handy to deal with the Bluetooth connection issue. from my iPhone > On Oct 7, 2024, at 1:53 AM, mrallman116 at gmail.com wrote: > > I use aftershocks with multi point pairing. The cut off in speech with the Bluetooth headphones isn’t perfect but there’s a jaws setting you can change to make that slightly better I forget which one it is. I use those often at work though. I will tell you though ever since I went to Windows 10 I found that multi point pairing does not work very well. For example, I cannot seamlessly switch between my iPhone and the screen reader on the computer like I used to be able to. Good luck. > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 6, 2024, at 6:36 PM, Abdulrahman Bagais via BlindLaw wrote: >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> As a totally blind person, I use in-ear headphones every day for long hours in the office, which has been very annoying since that causes issues for my ears, namely the prolonged usage caused more earwax and consequently my ears get blocked regularly. I’m thinking now of shifting to bone conduction or open-air headphones, but not sure how efficient they would be when I pair them with my laptop through Bluetooth, as I think there is usually some delay with the sound of the screen reader when using Bluetooth headphones. >> >> If anyone has tried bone conduction headphones with the screen reader, would be grateful for any information about how good its connection with laptops. And what types would you recommend? >> >> Best Regards, >> Abdul >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/mrallman116%40gmail.com From kaybaycar at gmail.com Wed Oct 9 02:05:40 2024 From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie A. Orozco) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2024 22:05:40 -0400 Subject: [blindLaw] Bone conduction & open-ear headphones In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <034501db19ef$bd96dae0$38c490a0$@gmail.com> I love my bone conduction headphones. I have the Shokz, not sure which model. But I generally use them when listening to something long that I don't have to interact with much. I did not know there were bone conduction headphones with a cord. I would recommend these because there is absolutely a delay when I use my Shoksz with my computer. I don't like over-the-ear headphones because they make me feel clostrophobic, and I get tension headaches easily, so the bone conduction headphones are ideal for me. The ones I have are easy to use, set up, and seem to stay alive for a long time. Good luck! Julie Julie -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Abdulrahman Bagais via BlindLaw Sent: Sunday, October 6, 2024 6:35 PM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Cc: Abdulrahman Bagais Subject: [blindLaw] Bone conduction & open-ear headphones Hi everyone, As a totally blind person, I use in-ear headphones every day for long hours in the office, which has been very annoying since that causes issues for my ears, namely the prolonged usage caused more earwax and consequently my ears get blocked regularly. I’m thinking now of shifting to bone conduction or open-air headphones, but not sure how efficient they would be when I pair them with my laptop through Bluetooth, as I think there is usually some delay with the sound of the screen reader when using Bluetooth headphones. If anyone has tried bone conduction headphones with the screen reader, would be grateful for any information about how good its connection with laptops. And what types would you recommend? Best Regards, Abdul _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com From kaybaycar at gmail.com Wed Oct 9 02:31:40 2024 From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie A. Orozco) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2024 22:31:40 -0400 Subject: [blindLaw] Increasing Efficiency in the Workplace Message-ID: <056e01db19f3$5fbc60d0$1f352270$@gmail.com> Hi everyone, I hope the following question makes some sense. I have just started my first real attorney job out of law school. Although I'm enjoying the work and learning a lot in general, I'm also finding that my methods for doing research and completing work just don't seem as efficient as maybe I thought they were in law school. I am open to any suggestions you might have, but here are a few specific questions to start. How do you avoid going back after you've written your memo or whatever and citing everything? When I do my research, I don't know which quotes and ideas will be helpful, and I don't want to pin-cite the entire case, especially if it's 30 pages. But going through later to find citations feels like such a drain on my time. If you have a lot of research to do, and you don't need to read everything in a case to find what you want, how do you skim for it? I've thought of using the find command, going through the case to find headings, and just tracking the thread of the case to see when the relevant issues will be discussed. But I'm open to other strategies too. When I read cases, I like to brief them because otherwise, I'll never remember them later if I don't. One of my colleagues suggested that might not be a good use of my time. Is briefing cases not a thing outside of law school? How else do people keep track of what they've read. I read so much every day that I'll never remember it all and put it in the correct context if I don't take notes in some way. I've also found that taking notes and summarizing things in my own words helps me process and comprehend what I read. But maybe there's something I'm missing? Maybe this is because I started law school during the pandemic, or maybe I just didn't learn everything I could. (I was never on journal or anything like that.) But I wish I had better strategies for tracking research, citations, and skimming through very long cases for the right information. I use Jaws, just received a Mantis Braille display through my job, and don't have any issues with accessibility at present. I'm proficient with all my technology but not a tech master or anything. Thanks for any suggestions. I am so grateful for my current position and really want to do well where I am. Julie From sanho817 at gmail.com Wed Oct 9 06:10:57 2024 From: sanho817 at gmail.com (Sanho Steele-Louchart) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2024 02:10:57 -0400 Subject: [blindLaw] Increasing Efficiency in the Workplace In-Reply-To: <056e01db19f3$5fbc60d0$1f352270$@gmail.com> References: <056e01db19f3$5fbc60d0$1f352270$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2D7C2C70-2496-4928-BC0A-0CA65EDD0287@gmail.com> Julie: You'll start to remember cases by name and context when you work in the same area for a while. In the meantime, or when working on something new, would it be helpful to take down just a few words about a case and copy/paste anything that seems useful, along with its corresponding page number in the asterisks, to help you jump back to that place in the future? JAWS placemarker command is also a great way to put down virtual sticky-notes you can jump to or bring up in a list. Sanho > On Oct 8, 2024, at 10:32 PM, Julie A. Orozco via BlindLaw wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > > > I hope the following question makes some sense. I have just started my first > real attorney job out of law school. Although I'm enjoying the work and > learning a lot in general, I'm also finding that my methods for doing > research and completing work just don't seem as efficient as maybe I thought > they were in law school. I am open to any suggestions you might have, but > here are a few specific questions to start. > > > > How do you avoid going back after you've written your memo or whatever and > citing everything? When I do my research, I don't know which quotes and > ideas will be helpful, and I don't want to pin-cite the entire case, > especially if it's 30 pages. But going through later to find citations feels > like such a drain on my time. > > > > If you have a lot of research to do, and you don't need to read everything > in a case to find what you want, how do you skim for it? I've thought of > using the find command, going through the case to find headings, and just > tracking the thread of the case to see when the relevant issues will be > discussed. But I'm open to other strategies too. > > > > When I read cases, I like to brief them because otherwise, I'll never > remember them later if I don't. One of my colleagues suggested that might > not be a good use of my time. Is briefing cases not a thing outside of law > school? How else do people keep track of what they've read. I read so much > every day that I'll never remember it all and put it in the correct context > if I don't take notes in some way. I've also found that taking notes and > summarizing things in my own words helps me process and comprehend what I > read. But maybe there's something I'm missing? > > > > > > Maybe this is because I started law school during the pandemic, or maybe I > just didn't learn everything I could. (I was never on journal or anything > like that.) But I wish I had better strategies for tracking research, > citations, and skimming through very long cases for the right information. I > use Jaws, just received a Mantis Braille display through my job, and don't > have any issues with accessibility at present. I'm proficient with all my > technology but not a tech master or anything. > > > > Thanks for any suggestions. I am so grateful for my current position and > really want to do well where I am. > > > > Julie > > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sanho817%40gmail.com From agtolentino at gmail.com Wed Oct 9 08:13:29 2024 From: agtolentino at gmail.com (Aser Tolentino) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2024 04:13:29 -0400 Subject: [blindLaw] Increasing Efficiency in the Workplace In-Reply-To: <2D7C2C70-2496-4928-BC0A-0CA65EDD0287@gmail.com> References: <2D7C2C70-2496-4928-BC0A-0CA65EDD0287@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7B50ECAD-7248-4FD3-A38A-8D60FFD2CEAC@gmail.com> When I’m researching, I generally run a search and scroll through the results list to see what portion of text returned the match before reading the whole case, eliminating most results as superfluous. Then I actually go into the promising ones and search for the text strings that interest me. If I find something good, I immediately highlight it and copy to a text document, then do a find for the next nearest asterisk to get the page and jump back up to the top of the page to copy the case cite. Rinse and repeat. It might be enough to copy the synopsis of the case to give your mind something to recall about essential facts as well. I then also tend to download all the cases I cited and put them in a folder with the research to allow for easy reference later. HTH > On Oct 9, 2024, at 2:12 AM, Sanho Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw wrote: > > Julie: > > You'll start to remember cases by name and context when you work in the same area for a while. In the meantime, or when working on something new, would it be helpful to take down just a few words about a case and copy/paste anything that seems useful, along with its corresponding page number in the asterisks, to help you jump back to that place in the future? JAWS placemarker command is also a great way to put down virtual sticky-notes you can jump to or bring up in a list. > > Sanho > >> On Oct 8, 2024, at 10:32 PM, Julie A. Orozco via BlindLaw wrote: >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> >> >> I hope the following question makes some sense. I have just started my first >> real attorney job out of law school. Although I'm enjoying the work and >> learning a lot in general, I'm also finding that my methods for doing >> research and completing work just don't seem as efficient as maybe I thought >> they were in law school. I am open to any suggestions you might have, but >> here are a few specific questions to start. >> >> >> >> How do you avoid going back after you've written your memo or whatever and >> citing everything? When I do my research, I don't know which quotes and >> ideas will be helpful, and I don't want to pin-cite the entire case, >> especially if it's 30 pages. But going through later to find citations feels >> like such a drain on my time. >> >> >> >> If you have a lot of research to do, and you don't need to read everything >> in a case to find what you want, how do you skim for it? I've thought of >> using the find command, going through the case to find headings, and just >> tracking the thread of the case to see when the relevant issues will be >> discussed. But I'm open to other strategies too. >> >> >> >> When I read cases, I like to brief them because otherwise, I'll never >> remember them later if I don't. One of my colleagues suggested that might >> not be a good use of my time. Is briefing cases not a thing outside of law >> school? How else do people keep track of what they've read. I read so much >> every day that I'll never remember it all and put it in the correct context >> if I don't take notes in some way. I've also found that taking notes and >> summarizing things in my own words helps me process and comprehend what I >> read. But maybe there's something I'm missing? >> >> >> >> >> >> Maybe this is because I started law school during the pandemic, or maybe I >> just didn't learn everything I could. (I was never on journal or anything >> like that.) But I wish I had better strategies for tracking research, >> citations, and skimming through very long cases for the right information. I >> use Jaws, just received a Mantis Braille display through my job, and don't >> have any issues with accessibility at present. I'm proficient with all my >> technology but not a tech master or anything. >> >> >> >> Thanks for any suggestions. I am so grateful for my current position and >> really want to do well where I am. >> >> >> >> Julie >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BlindLaw mailing list >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sanho817%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/agtolentino%40gmail.com From sbg at sbgaal.com Wed Oct 9 11:55:06 2024 From: sbg at sbgaal.com (sbg sbgaal.com) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2024 11:55:06 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] Increasing Efficiency in the Workplace In-Reply-To: <056e01db19f3$5fbc60d0$1f352270$@gmail.com> References: <056e01db19f3$5fbc60d0$1f352270$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5550CF37-2461-4B99-AFD9-E89DD1BE7F6C@sbgaal.com> Defined command works well when looking for specific issues when I am reading a case to begin with, I put Asterix next to the points that I think I might end up signing too as far as briefing the case I do what I would call in an abbreviated briefing, I type out at the top of the case which basically is a sentence regarding the issues and the holding the citations I can do based on where I put the Asterix Shannon Brady Geihsler Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC 1212 Texas Avenue Lubbock, Texas 79401 Phone: (806) 763-3999 Mobile: (806) 781-9296 Fax: (806) 749-3752 E-Mail: sbg at sbgaal.com NOTICE: The information contained in this communication is protected by the attorney/client and/or the work/product privileges. It along with any attachments here to, is also covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. sections 2510-2512. It is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named in the communication, and the privileges are not waived by virtue of this having been sent by electronic mail. If the person actually receiving this communication or any other reader of the communication is not the named recipient, any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of the communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify us by telephone (please call collect) and delete the original from your system. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 8, 2024, at 9:32 PM, Julie A. Orozco via BlindLaw wrote: Hi everyone, I hope the following question makes some sense. I have just started my first real attorney job out of law school. Although I'm enjoying the work and learning a lot in general, I'm also finding that my methods for doing research and completing work just don't seem as efficient as maybe I thought they were in law school. I am open to any suggestions you might have, but here are a few specific questions to start. How do you avoid going back after you've written your memo or whatever and citing everything? When I do my research, I don't know which quotes and ideas will be helpful, and I don't want to pin-cite the entire case, especially if it's 30 pages. But going through later to find citations feels like such a drain on my time. If you have a lot of research to do, and you don't need to read everything in a case to find what you want, how do you skim for it? I've thought of using the find command, going through the case to find headings, and just tracking the thread of the case to see when the relevant issues will be discussed. But I'm open to other strategies too. When I read cases, I like to brief them because otherwise, I'll never remember them later if I don't. One of my colleagues suggested that might not be a good use of my time. Is briefing cases not a thing outside of law school? How else do people keep track of what they've read. I read so much every day that I'll never remember it all and put it in the correct context if I don't take notes in some way. I've also found that taking notes and summarizing things in my own words helps me process and comprehend what I read. But maybe there's something I'm missing? Maybe this is because I started law school during the pandemic, or maybe I just didn't learn everything I could. (I was never on journal or anything like that.) But I wish I had better strategies for tracking research, citations, and skimming through very long cases for the right information. I use Jaws, just received a Mantis Braille display through my job, and don't have any issues with accessibility at present. I'm proficient with all my technology but not a tech master or anything. Thanks for any suggestions. I am so grateful for my current position and really want to do well where I am. Julie _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sbg%40sbgaal.com From james.garret.mooney at gmail.com Mon Oct 14 00:45:19 2024 From: james.garret.mooney at gmail.com (james.garret.mooney at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2024 20:45:19 -0400 Subject: [blindLaw] Increasing Efficiency in the Workplace In-Reply-To: <5550CF37-2461-4B99-AFD9-E89DD1BE7F6C@sbgaal.com> References: <056e01db19f3$5fbc60d0$1f352270$@gmail.com> <5550CF37-2461-4B99-AFD9-E89DD1BE7F6C@sbgaal.com> Message-ID: <02ed01db1dd2$59097010$0b1c5030$@gmail.com> Hello, The other thing to remember is that a case usually discusses several different issues. Skipping the non-relevant issues discussed by the court and jumping to the relevant issue to your specific situation also helps cut down on time. For example, you are researching the basis for a traffic stop. The case you are reading discusses a Miranda rights issue, basis for a traffic stop, and a hearsay exception. You do not need to read about Miranda or the hearsay exception. I usually will read the facts, skimming through those facts that deal with the non-relevant issues. Then I jump to the issue relevant to my situation I.E. the basis for a traffic stop. Doing this cuts down on a lot of time. Garret James G. Mooney, Esq President, Maryland Organization of Parents of Blind Children (480) 433-8003 james.garret.mooney at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of sbg sbgaal.com via BlindLaw Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2024 7:55 AM To: Blind Law Mailing List Cc: sbg sbgaal.com Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Increasing Efficiency in the Workplace Defined command works well when looking for specific issues when I am reading a case to begin with, I put Asterix next to the points that I think I might end up signing too as far as briefing the case I do what I would call in an abbreviated briefing, I type out at the top of the case which basically is a sentence regarding the issues and the holding the citations I can do based on where I put the Asterix Shannon Brady Geihsler Law Office of Shannon Brady Geihsler, PLLC 1212 Texas Avenue Lubbock, Texas 79401 Phone: (806) 763-3999 Mobile: (806) 781-9296 Fax: (806) 749-3752 E-Mail: sbg at sbgaal.com NOTICE: The information contained in this communication is protected by the attorney/client and/or the work/product privileges. It along with any attachments here to, is also covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. sections 2510-2512. It is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named in the communication, and the privileges are not waived by virtue of this having been sent by electronic mail. If the person actually receiving this communication or any other reader of the communication is not the named recipient, any use, dissemination, distribution or copying of the communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify us by telephone (please call collect) and delete the original from your system. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 8, 2024, at 9:32 PM, Julie A. Orozco via BlindLaw wrote: Hi everyone, I hope the following question makes some sense. I have just started my first real attorney job out of law school. Although I'm enjoying the work and learning a lot in general, I'm also finding that my methods for doing research and completing work just don't seem as efficient as maybe I thought they were in law school. I am open to any suggestions you might have, but here are a few specific questions to start. How do you avoid going back after you've written your memo or whatever and citing everything? When I do my research, I don't know which quotes and ideas will be helpful, and I don't want to pin-cite the entire case, especially if it's 30 pages. But going through later to find citations feels like such a drain on my time. If you have a lot of research to do, and you don't need to read everything in a case to find what you want, how do you skim for it? I've thought of using the find command, going through the case to find headings, and just tracking the thread of the case to see when the relevant issues will be discussed. But I'm open to other strategies too. When I read cases, I like to brief them because otherwise, I'll never remember them later if I don't. One of my colleagues suggested that might not be a good use of my time. Is briefing cases not a thing outside of law school? How else do people keep track of what they've read. I read so much every day that I'll never remember it all and put it in the correct context if I don't take notes in some way. I've also found that taking notes and summarizing things in my own words helps me process and comprehend what I read. But maybe there's something I'm missing? Maybe this is because I started law school during the pandemic, or maybe I just didn't learn everything I could. (I was never on journal or anything like that.) But I wish I had better strategies for tracking research, citations, and skimming through very long cases for the right information. I use Jaws, just received a Mantis Braille display through my job, and don't have any issues with accessibility at present. I'm proficient with all my technology but not a tech master or anything. Thanks for any suggestions. I am so grateful for my current position and really want to do well where I am. Julie _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sbg%40sbgaal.com _______________________________________________ BlindLaw mailing list BlindLaw at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for BlindLaw: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/james.garret.mooney%40gmail.com From nikki.singh at aya.yale.edu Mon Oct 14 14:30:05 2024 From: nikki.singh at aya.yale.edu (Nikki Singh) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2024 10:30:05 -0400 Subject: [blindLaw] Increasing Efficiency in the Workplace In-Reply-To: <7B50ECAD-7248-4FD3-A38A-8D60FFD2CEAC@gmail.com> References: <2D7C2C70-2496-4928-BC0A-0CA65EDD0287@gmail.com> <7B50ECAD-7248-4FD3-A38A-8D60FFD2CEAC@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Julie! Aser’s research approach is what I do, with some minor variations. Briefing cases is uniquely a law school experience, and you will rarely have to do it again once you actually start to practice law. I know I initialy took down research notes that looked like law school case briefs. I did that because the case brief format was a familiar security blanket. I suspect you are doing similarly! As to your specific questions: Re memos: First, know what purpose your memo serves. Internal research memos are supposed to present legal research in a fairly impartial manner and inform the audience so a decision about advocacy can be made. A memo of law and authorities in support of a motion is a piece of advocacy. It should not be impartial and disinterested but rather, advance a position and prompt the court to rule in your favor. Next, based on the purpose of your memo, you can be more discerning about what you want from the research and whether you need to read every inch of an opinion. Sometimes the holding is all you need; other times, you will require the holding, some facts, and useful language from the analysis. I will add that if you skim an opinion, make sure you look at the negative history to make sure the reason for citing the case has not been invalidated or compromised in some way detrimental to your purpose (usually more an issue for advocacy pieces). For the internal research memos, many people like to have a folder full of the cases you read, so you should not feel like you have to include all a cases’s pincites. And you should not because your job is to review, analyze, and distill a long legal opinion down to the case’s main points/propositions! Re skimming: Most legal opinions and/or opinion and orders follow a structure. Usually, (1) the judge has a summary of the parties’s positions/claims and the major holdings/conclusion of what the court decided; (2) the facts; (3) procedural history and developments; (4) jurisdictional law and analysis; (5) substantive law and analysis; (6) conclusions and specific orders. Many opinions also have headings and subheadings. You can use these structures to let you jump to what you need. If you are after a quote, you could use the find command to locate that quote. Once you have more time doing research and start to narrow your practice, you can also use treatises and American Law Reports that collect cases for you, with the important language or principle identified for you. Sincerely, Nikki On Wed, Oct 9, 2024 at 4:14 AM Aser Tolentino via BlindLaw < blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: > When I’m researching, I generally run a search and scroll through the > results list to see what portion of text returned the match before reading > the whole case, eliminating most results as superfluous. Then I actually go > into the promising ones and search for the text strings that interest me. > If I find something good, I immediately highlight it and copy to a text > document, then do a find for the next nearest asterisk to get the page and > jump back up to the top of the page to copy the case cite. Rinse and > repeat. It might be enough to copy the synopsis of the case to give your > mind something to recall about essential facts as well. I then also tend to > download all the cases I cited and put them in a folder with the research > to allow for easy reference later. HTH > > > On Oct 9, 2024, at 2:12 AM, Sanho Steele-Louchart via BlindLaw < > blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: > > > > Julie: > > > > You'll start to remember cases by name and context when you work in the > same area for a while. In the meantime, or when working on something new, > would it be helpful to take down just a few words about a case and > copy/paste anything that seems useful, along with its corresponding page > number in the asterisks, to help you jump back to that place in the future? > JAWS placemarker command is also a great way to put down virtual > sticky-notes you can jump to or bring up in a list. > > > > Sanho > > > >> On Oct 8, 2024, at 10:32 PM, Julie A. Orozco via BlindLaw < > blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote: > >> > >> Hi everyone, > >> > >> > >> > >> I hope the following question makes some sense. I have just started my > first > >> real attorney job out of law school. Although I'm enjoying the work and > >> learning a lot in general, I'm also finding that my methods for doing > >> research and completing work just don't seem as efficient as maybe I > thought > >> they were in law school. I am open to any suggestions you might have, > but > >> here are a few specific questions to start. > >> > >> > >> > >> How do you avoid going back after you've written your memo or whatever > and > >> citing everything? When I do my research, I don't know which quotes and > >> ideas will be helpful, and I don't want to pin-cite the entire case, > >> especially if it's 30 pages. But going through later to find citations > feels > >> like such a drain on my time. > >> > >> > >> > >> If you have a lot of research to do, and you don't need to read > everything > >> in a case to find what you want, how do you skim for it? I've thought of > >> using the find command, going through the case to find headings, and > just > >> tracking the thread of the case to see when the relevant issues will be > >> discussed. But I'm open to other strategies too. > >> > >> > >> > >> When I read cases, I like to brief them because otherwise, I'll never > >> remember them later if I don't. One of my colleagues suggested that > might > >> not be a good use of my time. Is briefing cases not a thing outside of > law > >> school? How else do people keep track of what they've read. I read so > much > >> every day that I'll never remember it all and put it in the correct > context > >> if I don't take notes in some way. I've also found that taking notes and > >> summarizing things in my own words helps me process and comprehend what > I > >> read. But maybe there's something I'm missing? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Maybe this is because I started law school during the pandemic, or > maybe I > >> just didn't learn everything I could. (I was never on journal or > anything > >> like that.) But I wish I had better strategies for tracking research, > >> citations, and skimming through very long cases for the right > information. I > >> use Jaws, just received a Mantis Braille display through my job, and > don't > >> have any issues with accessibility at present. I'm proficient with all > my > >> technology but not a tech master or anything. > >> > >> > >> > >> Thanks for any suggestions. I am so grateful for my current position and > >> really want to do well where I am. > >> > >> > >> > >> Julie > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> BlindLaw mailing list > >> BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sanho817%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > BlindLaw mailing list > > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/agtolentino%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/nikki.singh%40aya.yale.edu > From laurenbishop96 at icloud.com Wed Oct 16 09:57:02 2024 From: laurenbishop96 at icloud.com (Lauren Bishop) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2024 05:57:02 -0400 Subject: [blindLaw] Advocacy efforts accessibility of real page software Message-ID: Good morning, Real page is a software that apartment use to allow applicants to sign leases and apply for apartments. I tried to apply for an apartment last night, and there were aspects of the application process that were completely an utterly and accessible. There were forms that I had to sign that were red as Graphics with jaws, and I couldn’t electronically sign the documents. The only reason I got as far with the application as I did was because my mom is sided and she could fill out the forms for me. Shirley, I am not the only one that is having issues with this. I’ve been shopping for apartments for a while now as I am now gainfully employed. I want to say that almost every place I’ve looked at uses the software. Are there any app efforts for the accessibility of the software? If not, does anyone have any suggestions on where to go besides reaching out to the company directly. This is a pretty serious issue that if I didn’t have someone around to read these documents to me, I would have to disclose to a landlord that I am blind before they have an opportunity to review , my qualifications to rent the apartment. Sent from my iPhone From sanho817 at gmail.com Wed Oct 16 10:49:08 2024 From: sanho817 at gmail.com (sanho817 at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2024 06:49:08 -0400 Subject: [blindLaw] Advocacy efforts accessibility of real page software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000601db1fb9$07b2f0e0$1718d2a0$@gmail.com> Good morning. I'm sorry to hear this. My files show only a complaint about a different, but similar software package. I see a few options going forward. 1. Requesting an accommodation from apartment management which, as you note, requires you to disclose your disability status. 2. Informal advocacy either individually or alongside a consumer group such as your NFB affiliate. 3. Formal advocacy through the private bar, your state's protection and advocacy group, another non-profit, or a government agency. Federally, the DOJ OCR complaint form can be found at https://civilrights.justice.gov/report/ I'm happy to discuss any or all of these in more detail. It's also noteworthy that although the apartment community is required to provide a reasonable accommodation, requiring the third-party website to be accessible may be less straightforward. There are eighteen states in which virtual companies making virtual products are not currently required to make those products accessible. That's why it's crucial we change legislation in addition to caselaw. Feel free to call or email if you'd like to discuss this more in-depth. Warmth, Sanho -----Original Message----- From: BlindLaw On Behalf Of Lauren Bishop via BlindLaw Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2024 5:57 AM To: blindlaw at nfbnet.org Cc: Lauren Bishop Subject: [blindLaw] Advocacy efforts accessibility of real page software Good morning, Real page is a software that apartment use to allow applicants to sign leases and apply for apartments. I tried to apply for an apartment last night, and there were aspects of the application process that were completely an utterly and accessible. There were forms that I had to sign that were red as Graphics with jaws, and I couldn’t electronically sign the documents. The only reason I got as far with the application as I did was because my mom is sided and she could fill out the forms for me. Shirley, I am not the only one that is having issues with this. I’ve been shopping for apartments for a while now as I am now gainfully employed. I want to say that almost every place I’ve looked at uses the software. Are there any app efforts for the accessibility of the software? If not, does anyone have any suggestions on where to go besides reaching out to the company directly. This is a pretty serious issue that if I didn’t have someone around to read these documents to me, I would have to disclose to a landlord that I am blind before they have an opportunity to review , my qualifications to rent the apartment. 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Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 883 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From glnorman15 at hotmail.com Thu Oct 17 13:44:35 2024 From: glnorman15 at hotmail.com (GL Norman) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2024 13:44:35 +0000 Subject: [blindLaw] FW: Transatlantic Inclusion Leaders Network - 2025 Call for Applications Now Open In-Reply-To: <0.0.3.123.1DB1BECFFB16644.D6317@mail3.cecollect.com> References: <0.0.3.123.1DB1BECFFB16644.D6317@mail3.cecollect.com> Message-ID: From: German Marshall Fund of the United States Sent: Friday, October 11, 2024 10:51 AM To: Gary Norman Subject: Transatlantic Inclusion Leaders Network - 2025 Call for Applications Now Open [Image removed by sender. +] View this email in your browser [Image removed by sender.] 2025 TILN Call for Applications Now Open Dear Gary Norman, I am pleased to announce that the German Marshall Fund of the United States (GMF) has published a new call for applications for the 2025 Transatlantic Inclusion Leaders Network (TILN). ​ The TILN fellowship is an empowering program for elected officials and civil society and business leaders who collaborate, peer mentor, and educate each other to advance inclusive policies and strengthen social cohesion. The program also features dedicated coaches and partners. The TILN network has more than 200 alumni who have advanced to higher office, including in the European Parliament and US Congress. Through TILN, GMF provides participants with a unique opportunity to meet crucial 21st-century leadership requirements. Today’s institutions must reflect the diversity of societies across the Atlantic and foster equity, inclusion, and belonging. We are seeking a diverse cohort and strongly encourage individuals who have been historically underrepresented in the program's previous iterations to apply. In particular, GMF welcomes applications from individuals in Baltic and Black Sea countries, Portugal, Türkiye, and Cyprus; and the US heartland. Historically underrepresented groups include Black, Latino/a, Indigenous, Asian, Arab, Middle Eastern, Pacific Islander, Roma, biracial, multiracial, female-identifying, LGBTQ+, and the disability community. As a nonpartisan organization, GMF invites individuals from all political affiliations to apply. We are particularly interested in increasing the number of conservative voices represented in the program to reflect the spirit of promoting cooperation and understanding across the political spectrum. For more information about the program and the call for applications, please see the TILN website linked below. We look forward to accepting applications until 11:59pm Pacific time, November 4, 2024 / 0859 CET, November 5, 2024. My team and I would be grateful if you would share this call with your networks. To facilitate this, we have created LinkedIn/Facebook and Instagram graphics that you can post on your social media accounts. Please contact leadershipprograms at gmfus.org if you have any questions about the TILN program or the 2025 call for applications. Thanks! 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Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 1237 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From rothmanjd at gmail.com Thu Oct 17 23:02:59 2024 From: rothmanjd at gmail.com (rothmanjd at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2024 19:02:59 -0400 Subject: [blindLaw] Vacancy Announcement: Equal Employment Opportunity Specialist In-Reply-To: <04da01dacbf8$1e952630$5bbf7290$@gmail.com> References: <04da01dacbf8$1e952630$5bbf7290$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <02ad01db20e8$b639e2b0$22ada810$@gmail.com> Folks, I'm seeking to fill a GS-12 vacancy for an Equal Employment Opportunity Specialist on my staff. This is a GS-12 position. The position is located in Baltimore, with frequent telework available - our current policy for positions of this nature is one day in the office per week. Those with Schedule A eligibility are encouraged to apply but need to use the MP position announcement. There are two vacancy announcements - one for members of the public (DE), and the other for current and former Federal employees (MP). The Schedule A opportunity is part of the current and former Federal employee opportunity, even if those individuals have never worked for the government (I don't know why it's set up that way). Those who wish to apply for both postings can do so as long as they are eligible. The position has been posted to USAJobs, opening 10/9/2024 and closing on 10/23/2024. The direct links to the job are below: MP: https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/813352400 DE: https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/813352500 Information is below: Equal Employment Opportunity Specialist DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services Office of Equal Opportunity and Civil Rights (OEOCR) This position is located in the Department of Health & Human Services (HHS), Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), Office of Equal Opportunity and Civil Rights (OEOCR), Equal Employment Opportunity Compliance Group (EEOCG). As a Equal Employment Opportunity Specialist, GS-0260-12, you will serve as an Equal Employment Opportunity Specialist processing employment discrimination complaints through various stages. Overview * Accepting applications * Open & closing dates 10/09/2024 to 10/23/2024 * Salary $99,200 - $128,956 per year * Pay scale & grade GS 12 * Location 1 vacancy in the following location: * Woodlawn, MD * Remote job No * Telework eligible Yes-as determined by the agency policy. * Travel Required Occasional travel - You may be expected to travel 10% for this position. * Relocation expenses reimbursed No * Appointment type Permanent * Work schedule Full-time * Service Competitive * Promotion potential 12 * Job family (Series) * 0260 Equal Employment Opportunity * Supervisory status No * Security clearance Not Required * Drug test No * Position sensitivity and risk Moderate Risk (MR) * Trust determination process * Credentialing * Suitability/Fitness * Financial disclosure No * Bargaining unit status No Duties * Principal participant in the formulation of operating policies and guidelines that address EEO complaint processing at CMS to ensure that all complaints of alleged discrimination are promptly and fairly adjudicated. * Process informal complaints within the regulatory time frames and pursuant to established case law. * Analyze formal complaints of discrimination and develops sound legal arguments for acceptance or dismissal. * Conduct an initial interview with the Counselee for purposes of determining the claim(s) and basis(es) raised and for clarification of jurisdictional questions. * Draft settlement agreements in the informal and formal complaint processes. Qualifications ALL QUALIFICATION REQUIREMENTS MUST BE MET WITHIN 30 DAYS OF THE CLOSING DATE OF THIS ANNOUNCEMENT. Your resume must include detailed information as it relates to the responsibilities and specialized experience for this position. Evidence of copying and pasting directly from the vacancy announcement without clearly documenting supplemental information to describe your experience will result in an ineligible rating. This will prevent you from receiving further consideration. In order to qualify for the GS-12, you must meet the following: You must demonstrate in your resume at least one year (52 weeks) of qualifying specialized experience equivalent to the GS-11 grade level in the Federal government, obtained in either the private or public sector, to include: 1. Processing employment discrimination cases through various stages (e.g., pre-complaint / EEO counseling, Alternative Dispute Resolution (ADR), formal complaint filing, accept/dismiss, EEO investigation, electing a Final Agency Decision or hearing, issuing a Final Agency Decision, conducting discovery, preparing for hearing, facilitating and processing appeal, and negotiating and implementing settlement); AND 2. Interpreting Federal employment, anti-discrimination, and civil rights laws (e.g., Code of Federal Regulations, Equal Opportunity Commission Management Directives) to provide guidance to employees or managers; AND 3. Conducting research and/or analysis of laws, regulations, data, processes and/or policies to formulate EEO related arguments; AND 4. Preparing written materials (e.g., final decision memorandums, appeal briefs, settlement agreements, technical guidance, policies, reports) related to the processing of EEO Complaints. 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The program also features dedicated coaches and partners. The TILN network has more than 200 alumni who have advanced to higher office, including in the European Parliament and US Congress. Through TILN, GMF provides participants with a unique opportunity to meet crucial 21st-century leadership requirements. Today’s institutions must reflect the diversity of societies across the Atlantic and foster equity, inclusion, and belonging. We are seeking a diverse cohort and strongly encourage individuals who have been historically underrepresented in the program's previous iterations to apply. In particular, GMF welcomes applications from individuals in Baltic and Black Sea countries, Portugal, Türkiye, and Cyprus; and the US heartland. Historically underrepresented groups include Black, Latino/a, Indigenous, Asian, Arab, Middle Eastern, Pacific Islander, Roma, biracial, multiracial, female-identifying, LGBTQ+, and the disability community. As a nonpartisan organization, GMF invites individuals from all political affiliations to apply. We are particularly interested in increasing the number of conservative voices represented in the program to reflect the spirit of promoting cooperation and understanding across the political spectrum. For more information about the program and the call for applications, please see the TILN website linked below. We look forward to accepting applications until 11:59pm Pacific time, November 4, 2024 / 0859 CET, November 5, 2024. My team and I would be grateful if you would share this call with your networks. To facilitate this, we have created LinkedIn/Facebook and Instagram graphics that you can post on your social media accounts. Please contact leadershipprograms at gmfus.org if you have any questions about the TILN program or the 2025 call for applications. Thanks! 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Topic: NABL Quarterly Connection for Practicing Attorneys Time: Oct 30, 2024 08:00 PM America/Detroit Join Zoom Meeting https://us02web.zoom.us/j/85091327902?pwd=Vfj3axx0E86OYoVQATsSCAZYP816WZ.1 Meeting ID: 850 9132 7902 Passcode: 184151 --- One tap mobile +13092053325,,85091327902#,,,,*184151# US +13126266799,,85091327902#,,,,*184151# US (Chicago) --- Dial by your location • +1 309 205 3325 US • +1 312 626 6799 US (Chicago) • +1 646 931 3860 US • +1 929 205 6099 US (New York) • +1 301 715 8592 US (Washington DC) • +1 305 224 1968 US • +1 346 248 7799 US (Houston) • +1 360 209 5623 US • +1 386 347 5053 US • +1 507 473 4847 US • +1 564 217 2000 US • +1 669 444 9171 US • +1 669 900 6833 US (San Jose) • +1 689 278 1000 US • +1 719 359 4580 US • +1 253 205 0468 US • +1 253 215 8782 US (Tacoma) Meeting ID: 850 9132 7902 Passcode: 184151 Find your local number: https://us02web.zoom.us/u/kdmizFGsGV -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Topic: NABL Quarterly Connection for Practicing Attorneys Time: Oct 30, 2024 08:00 PM America/Detroit Join Zoom Meeting https://us02web.zoom.us/j/85091327902?pwd=Vfj3axx0E86OYoVQATsSCAZYP816WZ.1 Meeting ID: 850 9132 7902 Passcode: 184151 --- One tap mobile +13092053325,,85091327902#,,,,*184151# US +13126266799,,85091327902#,,,,*184151# US (Chicago) --- Dial by your location • +1 309 205 3325 US • +1 312 626 6799 US (Chicago) • +1 646 931 3860 US • +1 929 205 6099 US (New York) • +1 301 715 8592 US (Washington DC) • +1 305 224 1968 US • +1 346 248 7799 US (Houston) • +1 360 209 5623 US • +1 386 347 5053 US • +1 507 473 4847 US • +1 564 217 2000 US • +1 669 444 9171 US • +1 669 900 6833 US (San Jose) • +1 689 278 1000 US • +1 719 359 4580 US • +1 253 205 0468 US • +1 253 215 8782 US (Tacoma) Meeting ID: 850 9132 7902 Passcode: 184151 Find your local number: https://us02web.zoom.us/u/kdmizFGsGV -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Otherwise it'll be great to see everyone > tomorrow at 8pm to discuss client interviewing and negotiation strategies > from a non-visual perspective. > > Warmth, > Sanho, Zoom infoormation below > Sanho Steele-louchart is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting. > > Topic: NABL Quarterly Connection for Practicing Attorneys > Time: Oct 30, 2024 08:00 PM America/Detroit > > Join Zoom Meeting > https://us02web.zoom.us/j/85091327902?pwd=Vfj3axx0E86OYoVQATsSCAZYP816WZ.1 > > Meeting ID: 850 9132 7902 > Passcode: 184151 > > --- > > One tap mobile > +13092053325,,85091327902#,,,,*184151# US > +13126266799,,85091327902#,,,,*184151# US (Chicago) > > --- > > Dial by your location > • +1 309 205 3325 US > • +1 312 626 6799 US (Chicago) > • +1 646 931 3860 US > • +1 929 205 6099 US (New York) > • +1 301 715 8592 US (Washington DC) > • +1 305 224 1968 US > • +1 346 248 7799 US (Houston) > • +1 360 209 5623 US > • +1 386 347 5053 US > • +1 507 473 4847 US > • +1 564 217 2000 US > • +1 669 444 9171 US > • +1 669 900 6833 US (San Jose) > • +1 689 278 1000 US > • +1 719 359 4580 US > • +1 253 205 0468 US > • +1 253 215 8782 US (Tacoma) > > Meeting ID: 850 9132 7902 > Passcode: 184151 > > Find your local number: https://us02web.zoom.us/u/kdmizFGsGV > > > > > _______________________________________________ > BlindLaw mailing list > BlindLaw at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > BlindLaw: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/sai%40fiatfiendum.org > From sanho817 at gmail.com Thu Oct 31 00:58:10 2024 From: sanho817 at gmail.com (Sanho Steele-Louchart) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2024 20:58:10 -0400 Subject: [blindLaw] Rescheduled Quarterly Connection: November 16 at 7pm Message-ID: <3518F746-F5D7-4C0E-993E-6BD79BA6A083@gmail.com> All: Apologies for the technical difficulties tonight. My internet and cell signal were down at the same time. At the request of a member, we've also rescheduled for slightly earlier and on a non-workday for most people. See everyone at 7pm Eastern on Saturday, November 16th to discuss client interviewing and negotiation skills. Zoom information is below. Sanho Steele-louchart is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting. 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