[blindLaw] Doing LLM in the US

Mon Sep 2 18:02:48 UTC 2024

Thank you so much all for sharing this very useful information. Of course public transport, safety…etc are important things to be taken into consideration! Also, in terms of which law school, I think yes for Kirkland (and generally big law) are expecting LLM from top law school, but the thing is that how to know what best law schools as per the program/specialty (eg corporate law, environmental law, IP…etc)? Any resources recommended for searching this?

Thank you,
Abdul

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> On Sep 2, 2024, at 3:10 AM, James Fetter via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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> It’s sad; murders in cities like Baltimore have become the cultural equivalent of background noise. The political establishment barely pretends to care, and gun control is stuck in never-ending partisan battles. I’m privileged enough to live  in a fairly safe suburban area and to work remotely, and you couldn’t pay me enough to live in certain cities in this country.
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>> On Sep 1, 2024, at 7:42 PM, Paul Harpur <p.harpur at law.uq.edu.au> wrote:
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>> WOW!  We had a shooting about 30 minutes drive north of the city in Jan 2024 but that seems to be our last bit of gun violence.  that was reported as being in Brisbane, but if you look at the city limits this actually took place outside Brisbane by around 10 miles.  
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>> Professor Paul Harpur OAM  
>> BBus (HRm), LLB (Hons) LLM, PhD, FHEA, solicitor of the High Court of Australia (non-practicing), PLY
>> The University of Queensland Law School
>> (TEQSA PRV12080) 
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: James Fetter <jtfetter at yahoo.com>
>> Sent: Monday, 2 September 2024 9:31 AM
>> To: Paul Harpur <p.harpur at law.uq.edu.au>
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>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Doing LLM in the US
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>> Good point. In Baltimore, for example, shootings in broad daylight are by no means unheard of, nor are daytime stabbings  in metro stations. We unfortunately don’t have enough sense to follow Australia’s example and take most guns out of circulation.
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>>>> On Sep 1, 2024, at 6:57 PM, Paul Harpur <p.harpur at law.uq.edu.au> wrote:
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>>> Do not just check the crime rate, but also ask pointed questions.  I was having beers at a conference with a bunch of folks after a conference and we were talking about their PhD experiences.  Some cities were day time cities - so after dark it was not safe.  Perhaps the US folks will have a different view on open carry cities, but I find people walking around with guns really freaky.  In Australia we had a shooting back in 1996 and our Federal Government had a buy back so there are very few guns in homes now.  
>>> 
>>> Professor Paul Harpur OAM
>>> BBus (HRm), LLB (Hons) LLM, PhD, FHEA, solicitor of the High Court of
>>> Australia (non-practicing), PLY The University of Queensland Law
>>> School (TEQSA PRV12080)
>>> 
>>> Associate, Harvard Law School Project on Disability Australian
>>> Research Council Future Fellow Member of the Higher Education
>>> Standards Panel
>>> 
>>> “Universities train the disability leaders of tomorrow, employ the disability leaders of today, and produce research and innovation which can make the world more inclusive”.  Paul Harpur, ‘Universities as Disability Champions of Change’ TEDx.
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>>> Taking the crime rate into consideration is not a bad idea.  That would weigh heavily against Baltimore, Chicago, etc.
>>> It may also be worth asking your firm whether they recommend or prefer specific programs. For example, a firm like Kirkland Ellis might have a strong preference that you attend a program at a top-14 law school: Harvard, Yale, Stanford, etc.
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>>>>> On Sep 1, 2024, at 6:01 PM, Paul Harpur via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Before picking a country or a university I'd think what do you want from the year.  I'm a professor at a university in Australia and our school has particular strengths.  Other universities around the world have critical masses of professors in different areas doing different stuff.  So work out your future direction and search law reviews and books for who is leading on that and see where they are at.
>>>> If your firm has connections with law firms in certain cities, it might be stratetically smart to be near one of those so you can see if you could do some paralegal work with them while doing your LLM or even just go to some of their social functions and build your network.
>>>> As a totally blind person I cannot drive so want somewhere with public transport.  I also like cities where the murder rate is not massive.  
>>>> Professor Paul Harpur OAM
>>>> BBus (HRm), LLB (Hons) LLM, PhD, FHEA, solicitor of the High Court of
>>>> Australia (non-practicing), PLY The University of Queensland Law
>>>> School (TEQSA PRV12080)
>>>> 
>>>> Associate, Harvard Law School Project on Disability Australian
>>>> Research Council Future Fellow Member of the Higher Education
>>>> Standards Panel
>>>> 
>>>> “Universities train the disability leaders of tomorrow, employ the disability leaders of today, and produce research and innovation which can make the world more inclusive”.  Paul Harpur, ‘Universities as Disability Champions of Change’ TEDx.
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>>>> From: BlindLaw <blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Abdulrahman
>>>> Bagais via BlindLaw
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>>>> Subject: Re: [blindLaw] Doing LLM in the US
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>>>> Thanks, Marcos - good to know about LSac. I will be doing IELTS test, so would it be as acceptable as Toefl by various universities?
>>>> 
>>>> In terms of the accelerated JD or JD for international students, is it a program that can be taken along with an LLM? Or before doing the LLM?
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> Abdul
>>>> 
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>>>>>> On Sep 1, 2024, at 11:10 PM, Marcos Rodrigues via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>>>>> I used LSAC for my applications and found it accessible.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Did you already take the toefl exam? This will be your first step.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Another program you should consider is an accelerated JD or JD for international students that will take into account some credits you took in your home country.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards.
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>>>>>>> On Sep 1, 2024, at 2:50 PM, Abdulrahman Bagais via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Many thanks all for sharing your experiences and offering your help. For me at this stage, I am mainly trying to understand mor about the application process, how to build an excellent application, recommendation letters, deadlines for universities and how accessible generally the application process is…etc.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Any insights on these issues would be much appreciated.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Abdulrahman
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>>>>>> Fetter via BlindLaw
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>>>>>> I obtained my JD from the Ohio State University, and I cannot say enough good things about my experience. Everything was accessible, and I was fully included in all aspects of the program. The same cannot be said about the universities where I obtained my undergraduate and graduate degrees before going to law school: Emory University annd the University of Notre Dame. Those places, though arguably more prestigious, made me fight tooth and nail for every accommodation I needed and went out of their way to make me feel like a second-class member of the community. I don’t no very much about Ohio State’s LLM program, but if you do consider it, please feel free to contact me off list.
>>>>>> Best of luck with your decision!
>>>>>> James
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>>>>>>>> On Sep 1, 2024, at 7:17 AM, Marcos Rodrigues via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Good morning.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I did mine at the Ohio State University and liked it a lot. The school provided me with accessible materials and was very accomodating.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> You should check the web site llmguide.com. It has a lot of good information about the schools and some discussion groups you might find interesting..
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Feel free to contact me off list if you want more information.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Regards.
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Sep 1, 2024, at 3:11 AM, Abdulrahman Bagais via BlindLaw <blindlaw at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I am planning to do my master’s in law (LLM) in either the US or the UK to start in autumn 2025.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I am currently a trainee associate at Kirkland & Ellis Riyadh office - in Saudi Arabia, and all big law here require an LLM from abroad for associate roles. I have started the process and the preparation to be ready to apply for admissions in the coming weeks. I started my research about the general process to apply for international students, but wondering if anything would be different for blind applicants. In general, I would be grateful for any advice/tips regarding the applications, choosing the university, general LLM or specialized programs, accessibility...etc.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> If anyone in the same process/has gone through it, would be happy to chat and appreciate any insights on this – please feel free to message me off-list.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>> Abdulrahman
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