[Blindmath] Math ML and JFW

Wed Feb 17 19:43:58 UTC 2010

On 02/17/2010 06:24 PM, Roopakshi Pathania wrote:
> Hmmm,
>
> Well I don’t agree with the third option since reading MathML in an editor is tantamount to reading the MathML code, which is far verse than reading LaTeX source.
>    
I think you got me wrong on this point, I possibly should have been 
clearer. I meant use an editor such as chattyinfty or lambda which might 
be able to import mathml documents. In those you wouldn't end up reading 
the mathml source but how they represent mathematical notation normally. 
Also in case anyone wants to correct me, I was just suggesting those two 
editors as what I meant by accessible editor, I don't know how well they 
could import mathml.

Michael Whapples


> <math>  </math>
> <mi>  </mi>
> <shudder>  </shudder>
> You can however past the MathML into Microsoft Word and go through it if you have MathType, but my concepts get blurry here.
>
> Sarah, another option is to read LaTeX tutorials using the latex-access to convert the Math into NEMETH Braille for your Braille display.
>
> http://latex-access.sourceforge.net/
>
> The good thing is that there is plenty of study material in LaTeX on Calculus (I think I remember that you are doing Calculus).
> This blog lists a few of the books released under GFDL (it means that you can access the LaTeX source) on Calculus.
> http://www.opentextbook.org/category/maths/
>
> Also, there are many sites and wiki’s that serve up Math equations as images with LaTeX source embedded as alt tags.
> I wonder how would latex-access deal with these?
>
> Regards
>
> "For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return."
> ~ Leonardo da Vinci
>
>
> --- On Wed, 2/17/10, Michael Whapples<mwhapples at aim.com>  wrote:
>
>    
>> From: Michael Whapples<mwhapples at aim.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Math ML and JFW
>> To: "Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics"<blindmath at nfbnet.org>
>> Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 2:27 PM
>> Hello,
>> Probably the main one you know of is using the mathplayer
>> plugin for internet explorer. This will make JFW speak the
>> maths out. There are a few limitations of mathplayer, it
>> passes the maths as a string of words so its not easy to
>> navigate a equation (eg. the symbol alpha would be written
>> out as the word alpha, the divided by symbol would be the
>> words "divided by", etc) and screen readers won't produce
>> Braille output for the maths (well it will show the words
>> spoken but not the correct maths Braille code). These
>> limitations would need work from screen readers to be
>> overcome, so if you would like better math support let them
>> know its important to you.
>>
>> For Braille, you may do best downloading the page and using
>> liblouisxml to create a brf file. I seem to have a feeling
>> that someone said mathplayer may be able to put it through
>> liblouisxml for you but I don't remember seeing such an
>> option myself.
>>
>> Another option might be to import the mathml into an
>> accessible maths editor and read it in that.
>>
>> I think that covers the main options. I think software
>> actually making use of mathml is one of the limitations of
>> mathml, there are big gaps particularly with accessibility
>> (eg. firefox supports mathml but doesn't provide accessible
>> information to screen readers for the maths, etc).
>>
>> Michael Whapples
>> On 02/17/2010 04:56 AM, Sarah Jevnikar wrote:
>>      
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I've recently discovered a fantastic math website,
>>>        
>> found at the following
>>      
>>> URL:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://tutorial.math.lamar.edu/
>>>
>>> The trouble is, it uses Math CL and so it must bed to
>>>        
>> me for me to have
>>      
>>> access to the math equations. I'm using JAWS 11 and
>>>        
>> Internet Explorer 8. Is
>>      
>>> there any way of making this Math ML accessible? I've
>>>        
>> heard of several
>>      
>>> options but I'd like to hear from someone who uses
>>>        
>> these products and knows
>>      
>>> what they're capable of.
>>>
>>> Thank you very much,
>>>
>>> Sarah Jevnikar
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