[Blindmath] [Blind math] Nemeth code algebra, trig and calculus books for loan?
Alysha Jeans
anjeans at att.net
Mon Jul 19 22:46:33 UTC 2010
Hi Christine,
Would you be willing to expand more on how you handle spectrograms? I've
encountered them a bit before, but there's a good possibility I'll be
looking at them a lot more in my new job. A lot of what I've done in the
past to envision them is to either create them in MATLAB and look at the
numbers in the matrix it produces or have a sighted person describe them to
me, but these probably aren't the quickest methods out there. I'm curious to
hear some of the strategies you have used to efficiently view and interpret
them.
Thanks,
Alysha
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christine Szostak" <szostak.1 at osu.edu>
To: "Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics"
<blindmath at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindmath] [Blind math] Nemeth code algebra,trig and calculus
books for loan?
> Hi Peter,
> I think that Jose as well as several others here have very nicely hinted
> at a very important aspect for success. As someone working on their second
> doctoral degree, I can tell you from personal experience that one of the
> most essential ingredients for being successful as a blind student in
> higher education is to be creative and innovative. I spend much of my time
> working with spectrograms which means that I need to spend a fair amount
> of time interpreting, manipulating, and measuring waves which is obviously
> a very visual bit of work. because a spectrogram requires a lot of visual
> attention, I have had to become very creative in finding ways to be
> successful, and utilize my resources. I have learned to use my own
> abilities, as you are trying to find ways to do to the greatest extent
> possible. When that fails, as a first course of action, I turn to the
> disabilities office. The more you can develop a strong, positive, working
> relationship with them; the more they will often be willing to be of help
> and the more timely of a manner they will do what is needed. When all else
> fails, I talk with my advisor or other faculty if they are more
> appropriate (e.g., the professor of a class I am taking) to resolve the
> problem.
>
> I have found that as I become more innovative, not always taking the
> road most traveled, even by other blind individuals, there is often a
> pleasantly surprising level of success and rewarding outcomes. For
> example, I have come to find that I can do a large portion of the fully
> visual spectrogram work that my fully sighted peers can do without any
> vision. Further, I have found that this ability to use innovation as my
> first line of defense has made many of my professors, peers, and
> out-of-my-university colleagues develop a real respect for my capability
> and take a sincere notice in my work/scientific outcomes. It has also
> helped me begin to stand out among my peers which is important in nearly
> any field.
>
> I know you can be very successful it just often takes extra time and
> effort, and as I noted a fair amount of creativity on your part.
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Jose Tamayo" <jtblas at hotmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 1:03 PM
> To: "'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'"
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Nemeth code algebra,ttrig and calculus books for
> loan?
>
>> Hello folks,
>>
>> I am one of those who is going through a Computer Science program using
>> Nemeth code and many other tools. I have found that most of the services
>> that provide transcription are very expensive. One quote I got recently
>> was
>> for $14 per page to produce Nemeth code. Right now, I have partnered
>> with a
>> professor in the University who has taken interest in my wanting to
>> complete
>> this degree. she has been creating diagrams and translating the book
>> content to MathType so that I can get it to Nemeth code. You may not
>> find
>> all the tools you require and need but it will be very important to let
>> yourself be known. Let people know that you are interested in doing
>> something different and that you are willing to put the time and effort
>> to
>> get it done. The professor I am working with was someone that I
>> approached
>> a couple of years ago. she understood my goals and offered to help.
>> Right
>> now, I receive much content from her and the disability resource center
>> often reimburses her for preparing the content I require.
>>
>> I guess I am providing one example of my particular situation but that is
>> how I am able to obtain content for classwork. The content has not
>> always
>> come on time but I have been able to work through my coursework.
>>
>> If I may be of further assistance, please let me know.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jose Tamayo
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On
>> Behalf Of Steve Jacobson
>> Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 10:20 AM
>> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
>> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Nemeth code algebra, ttrig and calculus books
>> for
>> loan?
>>
>> Peter,
>>
>> I won't say anything more on this after this note. I truly do feel for
>> your
>> financial problems, but the fact is that most blind
>> people going to college, even without major debt, could not affort to pay
>> to
>> get braille or even audio books on their own.
>> Some states tend to be tighter than others, and I can't say how tight
>> your
>> state is. However, part of the federal laws are
>> intended to allow state agencies to help with book costs, and the college
>> you attend also has some responsibilities. I
>> was not saying you need a private transcriber, but rather, I was
>> referring
>> to the fact that there are organizations that do
>> transcribing to assist with textbooks. There is such an agency in
>> Minnesota, for example, but they charge for out-of-
>> state borrowing, and they give priority to persons in-state for
>> transcribing
>> new books. You didn't say if you have
>> contacted your college yet, but you will have to make some contacts to
>> find
>> out what is available already transcribed
>> and also if you have any options to get something transcribed. Your VR
>> counselor may not be of much help, but
>> sometimes you have to "play the game" to get whatever help is available,
>> but
>> that option won't work until you know
>> what the college is able to do. I know RFBD has produced some books
>> primarily with audio but with braille
>> supplements, and that might be worth investigating. Some publishers will
>> provide electronic copies of their books, but it
>> can be problematic with math. I believe it is the American Printing
>> House
>> for the Blind that maintains the database of all
>> books that have been transcribed by organizations around the country.
>> NLS
>> does very little of this kind of work. I just
>> don't know what else to say, but I fear if you don't look at some of
>> these
>> other issues very soon, you won't have any
>> texts in nemeth and the practice will be of little value. I truly hope
>> things work out for you, and maybe there are people
>> on this list who live nearer to you who can make more specific
>> suggestions
>> than I am able to make.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Steve Jacobson
>>
>> On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 23:51:37 -0500, Peter Wolfe wrote:
>>
>>>Steve,
>>
>>
>>
>>> I'm trying to see how the nemeth code will look like for
>>>orientation purposes and for the pracctice in my rusty abilities in
>>>math. I haven't done serious math in almost three years. I have a VR
>>>counsuler and they are mainly only good in most cases with financial
>>>support. With the down turn in the economy and my personal financial
>>>restraints the other option would also be thrown out too. Looking at
>>>someone transcribing for me is probably way way too expensive for the
>>>normal blind college student. I also have a house with other debt
>>>credit card issues and an apartment with utilities including a
>>>dependent brother as well. So, needless to say financial restraints
>>>are a huge problem.
>>
>>>On 7/17/10, Steve Jacobson <steve.jacobson at visi.com> wrote:
>>>> Peter,
>>>>
>>>> What kind of books are you requesting? Are you looking for books to
>> learn
>>>> the Nemeth Code or to see how it is used?
>>>> Have you made contact with the college you will be attending to see if
>> they
>>>> can help you find out what books you will
>>>> be needing? There are databases around that can be searched to see if
>>>> a
>>>> given book has been brailled by anyone.
>>>> Do you have a Vocational Rehabilitation case open with your state
>>>> agency?
>>>> Part of what they might be able to do is to
>>>> help with purchasing braille copies of the books you will need if they
>> are
>>>> available. They probably would not buy books
>>>> for practice, though. There are some places that will transcribe books
>> for
>>>> you, but they need lead time and I don't know
>>>> who serves your state.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Steve Jacobson
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 13:56:10 -0600, Peter Wolfe wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Blind Math list,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> It's me Peter with about a month to go, I am trying to find a
>>>>>place to have nemeth code braille math books for loan from? I tried
>>>>>NLS and they have utterly blasted me out of the water via the
>>>>>telephone. I don't have the kind of money to purchase that sort of
>>>>>mammoth priced math information either. Most blind people don't have
>>>>>it either. I'd appreciate any help in this regard. By the way, when
>>>>>you guys finished your first calculus book, did you keep your notes
>>>>>and books for the next calculus? Thanks for any hints and tips like
>>>>>always.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>God bless,
>>>>>Peter, AS
>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>Peter Q. Wolfe, AS
>>>>>sunspot005 at gmail.com
>>>>
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>>>--
>>>Peter Q. Wolfe, AS
>>>sunspot005 at gmail.com
>>
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