[Blindmath] Blindmath Digest, Vol 48, Issue 14

Fri Jul 23 15:30:57 UTC 2010

Mr Miller,

    You just hit the jackpot cause you have a longterm success story
here. This is good for longterm as well. I would like to know how you
do your tests and other projects? I'm trying to figure out man like
how visual is calculus man? I'm originally from Vegas and I cannot
remember much of my more advanced mathematics anymore cause I don't
use it. Whatcha going to engineering in man? I'm in comp science and
maybe soft engineering but unknown right now.

On 7/23/10, John Miller <j8miller at soe.ucsd.edu> wrote:
> Hello Peter,
> My math and engineering homework I have always completed with a Perkins
> mechanical braille writer using braille paper.
> Having things on paper helped in review session. It was a must for quick
> reference the night before a midterm.
> I remember my modern physics textbook was read on to cassette.
> I personally transcribed all the equations on to my braille notetaker.
> I now use the braille note Pk.
> For me it has always been my completed homeworks and midterms in braille in
> a binder, problem set solutions on a braille notetaker, some reference or
> other on cassette, recorded lectures to help me make more informed questions
> at office hours prior to the next lecture, and the braille note taker for
> notes about lectures.
> If I can get student services to pay for a reader to typeset handwritten
> lecture notes from a fellow student, I do that.
> Otherwise I get the handwritten notes from lecture and have someone read
> them to me directly while I transcribe them into braille with my braille
> note taker.
> The process of having someone read the notes and writing them down before
> the next lecture can really help be ready even if little studying of those
> notes occurs before the next lecture.
> I ask the professor what section of a book will be covered in the next
> lecture and bring the raised line drawings for that section with me to
> class.
> Sometimes the professor will point out at my request that they are sketching
> figure 3.13 or whatever and having the graphs on hand from the text is very
> useful.
>
> Very best,
>
> John
>
>
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>    1. Re: Nemeth code algebra,	ttrig and calculus books for 	loan?
>       (Peter Wolfe)
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> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 08:48:14 -0500
> From: Peter Wolfe <sunspot005 at gmail.com>
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
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> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Nemeth code algebra,	ttrig and calculus books
> 	for 	loan?
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> Thanks Lisa for the information you shared with me. This leads ultimately to
> something else I'm personally struggling with. What are some affective
> strategies in taking notes and studying audio materials as opposed to
> electronic or braille forms of learning? In fact, I would like all study
> habits examined on here to be shared. This is for the sake out of solidarity
> with some methods and equipment and unique approaches adopted by some and
> forgotten by others. Thanks for all input in this matter.
>
>
> sincerely,
> Peter
>
> On 7/20/10, Lisa Bongiorno <Lisa.Bongiorno at dhs.state.nj.us> wrote:
>> There are several websites where you can access audio books for free.
>> You do need to search.  Try also your library.  I'm from NJ and I was
>> directed to the website: www.listennj.com  Excellent website.  All you
>> need is a library card.  You go to the website, pull down the menu and
>> click on to your library and enter your library number.  From there
>> you have full access to audio books and can download them to your
>> IPod, MP3 or burn them onto discs for free! Also try RFB&D. They have
>> a grant that allows for first time members, free first year
>> membership. You can either order CDs or download textbooks on an Ipod,
>> Kindle, whatever piece of equipment you are using.  Good luck.
>>
>> 			
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf Of Peter Wolfe
>> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 3:46 PM
>> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
>> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Nemeth code algebra,ttrig and calculus books
>> for loan?
>>
>> Thanks Steve for the help cause it really feels sincere. I really
>> appreciate the effort and time you put into sending the replied
>> e-mail. I'm working on this stuff as I speak. I will read through my
>> e-mail and hopefuloly I don't go to sleep to call people or e-mail.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Peter, AS
>>
>> On 7/18/10, Steve Jacobson <steve.jacobson at visi.com> wrote:
>>> Peter,
>>>
>>> I won't say anything more on this after this note.  I truly do feel
>> for your
>>> financial problems, but the fact is that most blind people going to
>>> college, even without major debt, could not affort to
>> pay to
>>> get braille or even audio books on their own.
>>> Some states tend to be tighter than others, and I can't say how tight
>> your
>>> state is.  However, part of the federal laws are intended to allow
>>> state agencies to help with book costs, and the
>> college
>>> you attend also has some responsibilities.  I was not saying you need
>>> a private transcriber, but rather, I was
>> referring
>>> to the fact that there are organizations that do transcribing to
>>> assist with textbooks.  There is such an agency in Minnesota, for
>>> example, but they charge for out-of- state borrowing, and they give
>>> priority to persons in-state for
>> transcribing
>>> new books.  You didn't say if you have contacted your college yet,
>>> but you will have to make some contacts to
>> find
>>> out what is available already transcribed and also if you have any
>>> options to get something transcribed.  Your
>> VR
>>> counselor may not be of much help, but sometimes you have to "play
>>> the game" to get whatever help is
>> available, but
>>> that option won't work until you know what the college is able to do.
>>> I know RFBD has produced some books primarily with audio but with
>>> braille supplements, and that might be worth investigating.  Some
>>> publishers
>> will
>>> provide electronic copies of their books, but it can be problematic
>>> with math.  I believe it is the American Printing
>> House
>>> for the Blind that maintains the database of all books that have been
>>> transcribed by organizations around the country.
>> NLS
>>> does very little of this kind of work.  I just don't know what else
>>> to say, but I fear if you don't look at some of
>> these
>>> other issues very soon, you won't have any texts in nemeth and the
>>> practice will be of little value.  I truly
>> hope
>>> things work out for you, and maybe there are people on this list who
>>> live nearer to you who can make more specific
>> suggestions
>>> than I am able to make.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Steve Jacobson
>>>
>>> On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 23:51:37 -0500, Peter Wolfe wrote:
>>>
>>>>Steve,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>    I'm trying to see how the nemeth code will look like for
>>>>orientation purposes and for the pracctice in my rusty abilities in
>>>>math. I haven't done serious math in almost three years. I have a VR
>>>>counsuler and they are mainly only good in most cases with financial
>>>>support. With the down turn in the economy and my personal financial
>>>>restraints the other option would also be thrown out too. Looking at
>>>>someone transcribing for me is probably way way too expensive for the
>>>>normal blind college student. I also have a house with other debt
>>>>credit card issues and an apartment with utilities including a
>>>>dependent  brother as well. So, needless to say financial restraints
>>>>are a huge problem.
>>>
>>>>On 7/17/10, Steve Jacobson <steve.jacobson at visi.com> wrote:
>>>>> Peter,
>>>>>
>>>>> What kind of books are you requesting?  Are you looking for books
>>>>> to learn the Nemeth Code or to see how it is used?
>>>>> Have you made contact with the college you will be attending to see
>> if
>>>>> they
>>>>> can help you find out what books you will be needing?  There are
>>>>> databases around that can be searched to see
>> if a
>>>>> given book has been brailled by anyone.
>>>>> Do you have a Vocational Rehabilitation case open with your state
>> agency?
>>>>> Part of what they might be able to do is to help with purchasing
>>>>> braille copies of the books you will need if
>> they
>>>>> are
>>>>> available.  They probably would not buy books for practice, though.
>>>>> There are some places that will transcribe
>> books
>>>>> for
>>>>> you, but they need lead time and I don't know who serves your
>>>>> state.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve Jacobson
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 13:56:10 -0600, Peter Wolfe wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Blind Math list,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>    It's me Peter with about a month to go, I am trying to find a
>>>>>>place to have nemeth code braille math books for loan from? I tried
>>>>>>NLS and they have utterly blasted me out of the water via the
>>>>>>telephone. I don't have the kind of money to purchase that sort of
>>>>>>mammoth priced math information either. Most blind people don't
>>>>>>have it either. I'd appreciate any help in this regard. By the way,
>>>>>>when you guys finished your first calculus book, did you keep your
>>>>>>notes and books for the next calculus? Thanks for any hints and
>>>>>>tips like always.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>God bless,
>>>>>>Peter, AS
>>>>>
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>>>>>>sunspot005 at gmail.com
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