[Blindmath] psychology statistical diagrams

Tue Oct 26 00:27:20 UTC 2010

Here's a link to his c.v, detailing all his work and providing contact info.
http://www.utsc.utoronto.ca/~kennedy/cv.html

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From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Christine Szostak
Sent: October 25, 2010 7:42 PM
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Subject: Re: [Blindmath] psychology statistical diagrams

Check out John Kennedy, I think he is Professor of Psychology at U. Toronto,

He studies drawing and total blindness and I think he has done some work 
with 3-D though I could be wrong on my memory.
many thanks,
Christine

Christine M. Szostak
Doctoral Candidate
Language Perception Laboratory
Department of Psychology, Cognitive Area
The Ohio State University
Columbus, Ohio
szostak.1 at osu.edu
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Wayland" <larry.wayland at arkansas.gov>
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Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindmath] psychology statistical diagrams

>I agree with Lloyd on this.  I do not think there is anyway a three 
>dimensional representation can be adequately done using a Braille drawing. 
>Indicating three dimensions on a two dimension plane is done by using 
>optical allusions.  You can't do that tactually.  The lines are all there 
>but they just will not look three dimensional.
> Larry
>
>
> Larry Wayland
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> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
> On Behalf Of Rasmussen, Lloyd
> Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 2:15 PM
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>
> As a totally blind electronics engineer who got his bachelor's degree in 
> the 1960's, I think that getting an understanding of three-dimensional 
> concepts from two-dimensional drawings has severe limitations.  Is this an

> isometric or perspective projection?  From what distance is the "object" 
> being viewed?
>
> Talk to the people in the math department who study topology.  Do they 
> ever make solid models of the shapes they are describing algebraically? 
> Note that the solution to the problem of everting a sphere (turning it 
> inside out) was first proposed by a French blind mathematician.  He 
> visualized what sighted people were unable to visualize.
>
> Talk to people in mechanical engineering or industrial design departments 
> about stereolithography or 3D printing, where numerically controlled 
> machines are used to create solid models (quite expensively and slowly).
>
> Going these routes will not get you all the drawings your textbooks use, 
> but they should get you enough information and examples so that you 
> understand the concepts, in some cases more correctly than sighted 
> students will from the limited viewpoint of paper and blackboards.
>
> Lloyd Rasmussen, Senior Project Engineer
> National Library Service for the Blind and Physically Handicapped
> Library of Congress   202-707-0535
> http://www.loc.gov/nls
> The preceding opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of 
> the Library of Congress, NLS.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
> On Behalf Of Bernard M Diaz
> Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 2:00 PM
> To: Rasmussen, Lloyd; Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] psychology statistical diagrams
>
> Hi,
>
> I've experience of generating only one diagram that NEEDED 3D - a plane 
> embedded in 3D; that is a "surface"; and yes used the Tiger system.  It 
> took about 2 days playing to get a not too successful result, which we did

> not use in the end!
>
> I'm clearly not very good at this sort of thing, it needs an artistic (I 
> think that's the best word) flourish which I guess I don't have.  And I 
> guess, my knowledge of 3D use is limited too ...
> I'm sorry I've not looked at economic stuff, trends, and time series 
> stuff - which I suspect could all benefit from the 3D aspect you suggest. 
> I suspect, for each, it would be useful to know the approach chosen - if 
> anyone attempts to do (or has done it) please do share your findings.
>
> Simple "images" (essentially phtographic stuff rendered into "tonal 
> pictures") e.g. most of the Tiger examples I've looked at: flowers parts, 
> coloured country diagrams, digestive systems, most maps - all work well. 
> Where there is an attempt to get tonal representation to mimic depth 
> cueing - what I've done suggests: a) its hard, and b) not too successful 
> at getting over what is intended.  But, as I say, perhaps I'm not thinking

> about this in the correct way - and would appreciate pointers.
>
> A final note.  Many staff use Powerpoint. Where a diagram is involved I 
> suggest that they copy the "slide" then edit that to remove all but the 
> diagram.  Enlarge that so that it fuses correctly ("touchably" .... is 
> that the correct word? This also involves thinking about any colour coding

> used) and provide in the "notes" section for that slide a textual 
> description of the diagram using the language guideline mentioned before. 
> Then, those slides are "hidden" with a note that they are for 
> "accessibility purposes".  The idea is that the student (or teacher) can 
> fuse the diagram (slide object); Jaws the notes section (notes object) 
> while "touching" the fused version, and have Jaws read any text on the 
> slide proper as well.
> ...
>
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