[Blindmath] Blindmath Digest, Vol 66, Issue 14
Maylene Bird
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Thu Jan 26 02:38:57 UTC 2012
Would Braille 2000 be of help? I know it back-translates.
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> 1. Homework for College Class (Lanie)
> 2. Re: Homework for College Class (Alex Hall)
> 3. Re: Homework for College Class (Lanie)
> 4. Re: Homework for College Class (Tim in 't Veld)
> 5. Re: Homework for College Class (Ken Perry)
> 6. Re: Homework for College Class (Lanie)
> 7. Re: Homework for College Class (Jaquiss, Robert)
> 8. Re: Homework for College Class (Jaquiss, Robert)
> 9. Re: Homework for College Class (Ben Humphreys)
> 10. Re: Homework for College Class (Amanda Lacy)
> 11. Re: Homework for College Class (Michael Whapples)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 22:25:31 -0600
> From: Lanie <readtobuild at gmail.com>
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> mathematics<blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [Blindmath] Homework for College Class
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> Hi, all. I was wondering if anyone can help with this. I'm
> taking a calculus class in college, where I've just done "so
> homework and now have it in Braille. I'm not beure how to
> transcribe it into a format my professor can read though. Does
> anyone have any suggestions. So far, I thought of using a
> computer program where I could type it out and email it to him,
> but I haven't found one that's accessible with NVDA, the screen
> reader I use. My second option would be reading it all out loud
> on to a digital recorder and emailing it to him, but that's just
> really tedious. Also, I've thought about getting a reader and
> scribe, but that will make me tied down to someone, and with my
> schedule, that won't really work. I would really appreciate any
> help ASAP. Thanks.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 23:45:09 -0500
> From: Alex Hall <mehgcap at gmail.com>
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> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
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> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Homework for College Class
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> What programs have you tried for wordprocessing? I can't think of any that
> nvda won't work with. Even Notepad should do the trick, even if you have to
> use a shorthand for some symbols, such as sr(x) for square root of x.
>
> Have a great day,
> Alex (msg sent from my iPod)
> mehgcap at gmail.com; //facebook.com/mehgcap
>
> On Jan 23, 2012, at 23:25, Lanie <readtobuild at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi, all. I was wondering if anyone can help with this. I'm taking a
> calculus class in college, where I've just done "so homework and now have
> it in Braille. I'm not beure how to transcribe it into a format my
> professor can read though. Does anyone have any suggestions. So far, I
> thought of using a computer program where I could type it out and email it
> to him, but I haven't found one that's accessible with NVDA, the screen
> reader I use. My second option would be reading it all out loud on to a
> digital recorder and emailing it to him, but that's just really tedious.
> Also, I've thought about getting a reader and scribe, but that will make
> me tied down to someone, and with my schedule, that won't really work. I
> would really appreciate any help ASAP. Thanks.
> >
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 22:51:09 -0600
> From: Lanie <readtobuild at gmail.com>
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> mathematics<blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Homework for College Class
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> I only tried ones specificly for math such as LaTeX and
> Scientific Notebook, but that's a good idea to use shorthand in a
> regular workprocessor.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Alex Hall <mehgcap at gmail.com
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 23:45:09 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Homework for College Class
>
> What programs have you tried for wordprocessing? I can't think of
> any that nvda won't work with. Even Notepad should do the trick,
> even if you have to use a shorthand for some symbols, such as
> sr(x) for square root of x.
>
> Have a great day,
> Alex (msg sent from my iPod)
> mehgcap at gmail.com; //facebook.com/mehgcap
>
> On Jan 23, 2012, at 23:25, Lanie <readtobuild at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi, all. I was wondering if anyone can help with this. I'm
> taking a calculus class in college, where I've just done "so
> homework and now have it in Braille. I'm not beure how to
> transcribe it into a format my professor can read though. Does
> anyone have any suggestions. So far, I thought of using a
> computer program where I could type it out and email it to him,
> but I haven't found one that's accessible with NVDA, the screen
> reader I use. My second option would be reading it all out loud
> on to a digital recorder and emailing it to him, but that's just
> really tedious. Also, I've thought about getting a reader and
> scribe, but that will make me tied down to someone, and with my
> schedule, that won't really work. I would really appreciate any
> help ASAP. Thanks.
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 09:55:57 +0100
> From: "Tim in 't Veld" <tim at dvlop.nl>
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> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Homework for College Class
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> Lanie,
> LateX is the standard for producing mathematical documents on many
> universities. I highly recommend you learn it. Unlike some self invented
> shorthand lateX allows you to express any mathematical expression
> unambiguously. LateX will also benefit you when you are writing a thesis
> because you'll be able to get a perfect layout just by coding correctly
> rather than having to check it on the screen.
>
> You can write lateX in any text editor, and you can convert it into PDF
> using the pdflatex command line program which comes with mictex.
> I hear TeXnic center is accessible and could make your job easier.
> There are many lateX tutorials which can get you started.
> Tim
> On 1/24/2012 5:51 AM, Lanie wrote:
> > I only tried ones specificly for math such as LaTeX and Scientific
> > Notebook, but that's a good idea to use shorthand in a regular
> > workprocessor.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Alex Hall <mehgcap at gmail.com
> > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> > <blindmath at nfbnet.org
> > Date sent: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 23:45:09 -0500
> > Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Homework for College Class
> >
> > What programs have you tried for wordprocessing? I can't think of any
> > that nvda won't work with. Even Notepad should do the trick, even if
> > you have to use a shorthand for some symbols, such as sr(x) for square
> > root of x.
> >
> > Have a great day,
> > Alex (msg sent from my iPod)
> > mehgcap at gmail.com; //facebook.com/mehgcap
> >
> > On Jan 23, 2012, at 23:25, Lanie <readtobuild at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, all. I was wondering if anyone can help with this. I'm taking a
> > calculus class in college, where I've just done "so homework and now
> > have it in Braille. I'm not beure how to transcribe it into a format
> > my professor can read though. Does anyone have any suggestions. So
> > far, I thought of using a computer program where I could type it out
> > and email it to him, but I haven't found one that's accessible with
> > NVDA, the screen reader I use. My second option would be reading it
> > all out loud on to a digital recorder and emailing it to him, but
> > that's just really tedious. Also, I've thought about getting a reader
> > and scribe, but that will make me tied down to someone, and with my
> > schedule, that won't really work. I would really appreciate any help
> > ASAP. Thanks.
> >
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 06:22:30 -0500
> From: "Ken Perry" <kperry at blinksoft.com>
> To: "'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'"
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Homework for College Class
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> Hmm I wonder if it would be a good idea to write a simplified editor for
> Latex for this exact problem? If yes what would people like to see in it?
> Would it be good to be able to read in nemeth Braille files as well as
> being
> able to input formula's? Any ideas for those of us who are programmers?
>
> Ken
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On
> Behalf Of Tim in 't Veld
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 3:56 AM
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Homework for College Class
>
> Lanie,
> LateX is the standard for producing mathematical documents on many
> universities. I highly recommend you learn it. Unlike some self invented
> shorthand lateX allows you to express any mathematical expression
> unambiguously. LateX will also benefit you when you are writing a thesis
> because you'll be able to get a perfect layout just by coding correctly
> rather than having to check it on the screen.
>
> You can write lateX in any text editor, and you can convert it into PDF
> using the pdflatex command line program which comes with mictex.
> I hear TeXnic center is accessible and could make your job easier.
> There are many lateX tutorials which can get you started.
> Tim
> On 1/24/2012 5:51 AM, Lanie wrote:
> > I only tried ones specificly for math such as LaTeX and Scientific
> > Notebook, but that's a good idea to use shorthand in a regular
> > workprocessor.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Alex Hall <mehgcap at gmail.com
> > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> > <blindmath at nfbnet.org
> > Date sent: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 23:45:09 -0500
> > Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Homework for College Class
> >
> > What programs have you tried for wordprocessing? I can't think of any
> > that nvda won't work with. Even Notepad should do the trick, even if
> > you have to use a shorthand for some symbols, such as sr(x) for square
> > root of x.
> >
> > Have a great day,
> > Alex (msg sent from my iPod)
> > mehgcap at gmail.com; //facebook.com/mehgcap
> >
> > On Jan 23, 2012, at 23:25, Lanie <readtobuild at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, all. I was wondering if anyone can help with this. I'm taking a
> > calculus class in college, where I've just done "so homework and now
> > have it in Braille. I'm not beure how to transcribe it into a format
> > my professor can read though. Does anyone have any suggestions. So
> > far, I thought of using a computer program where I could type it out
> > and email it to him, but I haven't found one that's accessible with
> > NVDA, the screen reader I use. My second option would be reading it
> > all out loud on to a digital recorder and emailing it to him, but
> > that's just really tedious. Also, I've thought about getting a reader
> > and scribe, but that will make me tied down to someone, and with my
> > schedule, that won't really work. I would really appreciate any help
> > ASAP. Thanks.
> >
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 06:40:58 -0600
> From: Lanie <readtobuild at gmail.com>
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in
> mathematics<blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Homework for College Class
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> Thanks. I'll definitely look into learning LaTeX.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ken Perry" <kperry at blinksoft.com
> To: "'Blind Math list for those interested in
> mathematics'"<blindmath at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 06:22:30 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Homework for College Class
>
> Hmm I wonder if it would be a good idea to write a simplified
> editor for
> Latex for this exact problem? If yes what would people like to
> see in it?
> Would it be good to be able to read in nemeth Braille files as
> well as being
> able to input formula's? Any ideas for those of us who are
> programmers?
>
> Ken
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Tim in 't Veld
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 3:56 AM
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Homework for College Class
>
> Lanie,
> LateX is the standard for producing mathematical documents on
> many
> universities. I highly recommend you learn it. Unlike some self
> invented
> shorthand lateX allows you to express any mathematical expression
> unambiguously. LateX will also benefit you when you are writing
> a thesis
> because you'll be able to get a perfect layout just by coding
> correctly
> rather than having to check it on the screen.
>
> You can write lateX in any text editor, and you can convert it
> into PDF
> using the pdflatex command line program which comes with mictex.
> I hear TeXnic center is accessible and could make your job
> easier.
> There are many lateX tutorials which can get you started.
> Tim
> On 1/24/2012 5:51 AM, Lanie wrote:
> I only tried ones specificly for math such as LaTeX and
> Scientific
> Notebook, but that's a good idea to use shorthand in a regular
> workprocessor.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Alex Hall <mehgcap at gmail.com
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 23:45:09 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Homework for College Class
>
> What programs have you tried for wordprocessing? I can't think
> of any
> that nvda won't work with. Even Notepad should do the trick,
> even if
> you have to use a shorthand for some symbols, such as sr(x) for
> square
> root of x.
>
> Have a great day,
> Alex (msg sent from my iPod)
> mehgcap at gmail.com; //facebook.com/mehgcap
>
> On Jan 23, 2012, at 23:25, Lanie <readtobuild at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi, all. I was wondering if anyone can help with this. I'm
> taking a
> calculus class in college, where I've just done "so homework and
> now
> have it in Braille. I'm not beure how to transcribe it into a
> format
> my professor can read though. Does anyone have any suggestions.
> So
> far, I thought of using a computer program where I could type it
> out
> and email it to him, but I haven't found one that's accessible
> with
> NVDA, the screen reader I use. My second option would be
> reading it
> all out loud on to a digital recorder and emailing it to him,
> but
> that's just really tedious. Also, I've thought about getting a
> reader
> and scribe, but that will make me tied down to someone, and with
> my
> schedule, that won't really work. I would really appreciate any
> help
> ASAP. Thanks.
>
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> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 04:48:18 -0800
> From: "Jaquiss, Robert" <RJaquiss at nfb.org>
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> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Homework for College Class
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> Hello Lanie:
>
> Dr. John Gardner has authored a nice article on how to use MathType
> and Microsoft Word to author math. The article can be found at:
> http://www.access2science.com/jagqn/WordLatex.html
>
> The home page for Access2Science is: http://www.access2science.com
> I haven't done much with Latex yet. One nice aspect of using Word and
> MathType is that you can get results quickly.
> For example, to enter the equasion e = ir, you can use either
> $e = ir$
> Or
> \[e = ir\]
> The first example will put the equasion inline with text. The second
> example is a display format. You can try MathType for free for 30 days to
> see how you like it.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Regards,
>
> Robert
>
>
>
> Robert Jaquiss
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Lanie
> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 11:26 PM
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> Subject: [Blindmath] Homework for College Class
>
> Hi, all. I was wondering if anyone can help with this. I'm
> taking a calculus class in college, where I've just done "so
> homework and now have it in Braille. I'm not beure how to
> transcribe it into a format my professor can read though. Does
> anyone have any suggestions. So far, I thought of using a
> computer program where I could type it out and email it to him,
> but I haven't found one that's accessible with NVDA, the screen
> reader I use. My second option would be reading it all out loud
> on to a digital recorder and emailing it to him, but that's just
> really tedious. Also, I've thought about getting a reader and
> scribe, but that will make me tied down to someone, and with my
> schedule, that won't really work. I would really appreciate any
> help ASAP. Thanks.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 04:59:21 -0800
> From: "Jaquiss, Robert" <RJaquiss at nfb.org>
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
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> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Homework for College Class
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> Hello:
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> The idea of a program to deal with braille nemeth sounds interesting.
> I wonder if a nemeth to latex translator would be a good idea. If the
> output could then be edited in Word, students would have a nice package. Of
> course MathType would be needed to make the output usable for the sighted.
>
> Regards,
>
> Robert
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Ken Perry
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 6:23 AM
> To: 'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Homework for College Class
>
> Hmm I wonder if it would be a good idea to write a simplified editor for
> Latex for this exact problem? If yes what would people like to see in it?
> Would it be good to be able to read in nemeth Braille files as well as
> being
> able to input formula's? Any ideas for those of us who are programmers?
>
> Ken
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> On
> Behalf Of Tim in 't Veld
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 3:56 AM
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Homework for College Class
>
> Lanie,
> LateX is the standard for producing mathematical documents on many
> universities. I highly recommend you learn it. Unlike some self invented
> shorthand lateX allows you to express any mathematical expression
> unambiguously. LateX will also benefit you when you are writing a thesis
> because you'll be able to get a perfect layout just by coding correctly
> rather than having to check it on the screen.
>
> You can write lateX in any text editor, and you can convert it into PDF
> using the pdflatex command line program which comes with mictex.
> I hear TeXnic center is accessible and could make your job easier.
> There are many lateX tutorials which can get you started.
> Tim
> On 1/24/2012 5:51 AM, Lanie wrote:
> > I only tried ones specificly for math such as LaTeX and Scientific
> > Notebook, but that's a good idea to use shorthand in a regular
> > workprocessor.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Alex Hall <mehgcap at gmail.com
> > To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> > <blindmath at nfbnet.org
> > Date sent: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 23:45:09 -0500
> > Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Homework for College Class
> >
> > What programs have you tried for wordprocessing? I can't think of any
> > that nvda won't work with. Even Notepad should do the trick, even if
> > you have to use a shorthand for some symbols, such as sr(x) for square
> > root of x.
> >
> > Have a great day,
> > Alex (msg sent from my iPod)
> > mehgcap at gmail.com; //facebook.com/mehgcap
> >
> > On Jan 23, 2012, at 23:25, Lanie <readtobuild at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, all. I was wondering if anyone can help with this. I'm taking a
> > calculus class in college, where I've just done "so homework and now
> > have it in Braille. I'm not beure how to transcribe it into a format
> > my professor can read though. Does anyone have any suggestions. So
> > far, I thought of using a computer program where I could type it out
> > and email it to him, but I haven't found one that's accessible with
> > NVDA, the screen reader I use. My second option would be reading it
> > all out loud on to a digital recorder and emailing it to him, but
> > that's just really tedious. Also, I've thought about getting a reader
> > and scribe, but that will make me tied down to someone, and with my
> > schedule, that won't really work. I would really appreciate any help
> > ASAP. Thanks.
> >
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> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 08:59:29 -0500
> From: Ben Humphreys <brh at opticinspiration.org>
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> While I certainly can't quarrel with the presentation of Latex, I did
> just finish Calculus 1 and I can vouch that there is plenty to learn
> and challenges to overcome without the added complexity and
> difficulty of reading Latex compared to a shorthand, which I've
> discussed before.
>
> For example, consider a fraction divided by another fraction such as
> 1 divided by 2/3
>
> In Latex, we have:
>
> \frac{ 1 }{ \frac{ 2}{3} }
>
> Now, consider the shorthand that I used in my own homework
>
> 1 // 2/3
>
> So the double slash is the "big" division line" if you will.
>
> Now, I'm aware of all the shortcomings of non-standards based
> solutions, but as a practical matter, you're working hundreds of
> prolems, some of them difficult enough in math, without the added
> complexity, syntax, and additional brainpower to translate Latek back
> into what your classmates are seeing natively.
>
> Admittedly, I'm dealing with blindness as an adult without the
> benefit of mastery of braille or Nemeth at a young age, so I rely on
> a screen reader and others mileage may very.
>
> Ben
>
> At 03:55 AM 1/24/2012, you wrote:
> >Lanie,
> >LateX is the standard for producing mathematical documents on many
> >universities. I highly recommend you learn it. Unlike some self
> >invented shorthand lateX allows you to express any mathematical
> >expression unambiguously. LateX will also benefit you when you are
> >writing a thesis because you'll be able to get a perfect layout just
> >by coding correctly rather than having to check it on the screen.
> >
> >You can write lateX in any text editor, and you can convert it into
> >PDF using the pdflatex command line program which comes with mictex.
> >I hear TeXnic center is accessible and could make your job easier.
> >There are many lateX tutorials which can get you started.
> >Tim
> >On 1/24/2012 5:51 AM, Lanie wrote:
> >>I only tried ones specificly for math such as LaTeX and Scientific
> >>Notebook, but that's a good idea to use shorthand in a regular
> workprocessor.
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: Alex Hall <mehgcap at gmail.com
> >>To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics <
> blindmath at nfbnet.org
> >>Date sent: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 23:45:09 -0500
> >>Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Homework for College Class
> >>
> >>What programs have you tried for wordprocessing? I can't think of
> >>any that nvda won't work with. Even Notepad should do the trick,
> >>even if you have to use a shorthand for some symbols, such as sr(x)
> >>for square root of x.
> >>
> >>Have a great day,
> >>Alex (msg sent from my iPod)
> >>mehgcap at gmail.com; //facebook.com/mehgcap
> >>
> >>On Jan 23, 2012, at 23:25, Lanie <readtobuild at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>Hi, all. I was wondering if anyone can help with this. I'm taking
> >>a calculus class in college, where I've just done "so homework and
> >>now have it in Braille. I'm not beure how to transcribe it into a
> >>format my professor can read though. Does anyone have any
> >>suggestions. So far, I thought of using a computer program where I
> >>could type it out and email it to him, but I haven't found one
> >>that's accessible with NVDA, the screen reader I use. My second
> >>option would be reading it all out loud on to a digital recorder
> >>and emailing it to him, but that's just really tedious. Also, I've
> >>thought about getting a reader and scribe, but that will make me
> >>tied down to someone, and with my schedule, that won't really
> >>work. I would really appreciate any help ASAP. Thanks.
> >>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 09:06:22 -0600
> From: "Amanda Lacy" <lacy925 at gmail.com>
> To: "Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics"
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Homework for College Class
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> Ben,
>
> Do sighted professors understand 1 // 2/3 without explanation? I use
> 1/(2/3)
> to make sure anyone can know what I meant.
>
> Amanda
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ben Humphreys" <brh at opticinspiration.org>
> To: "Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics"
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 7:59 AM
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Homework for College Class
>
>
> > While I certainly can't quarrel with the presentation of Latex, I did
> just
> > finish Calculus 1 and I can vouch that there is plenty to learn and
> > challenges to overcome without the added complexity and difficulty of
> > reading Latex compared to a shorthand, which I've discussed before.
> >
> > For example, consider a fraction divided by another fraction such as 1
> > divided by 2/3
> >
> > In Latex, we have:
> >
> > \frac{ 1 }{ \frac{ 2}{3} }
> >
> > Now, consider the shorthand that I used in my own homework
> >
> > 1 // 2/3
> >
> > So the double slash is the "big" division line" if you will.
> >
> > Now, I'm aware of all the shortcomings of non-standards based solutions,
> > but as a practical matter, you're working hundreds of prolems, some of
> > them difficult enough in math, without the added complexity, syntax, and
> > additional brainpower to translate Latek back into what your classmates
> > are seeing natively.
> >
> > Admittedly, I'm dealing with blindness as an adult without the benefit of
> > mastery of braille or Nemeth at a young age, so I rely on a screen reader
> > and others mileage may very.
> >
> > Ben
> >
> > At 03:55 AM 1/24/2012, you wrote:
> >>Lanie,
> >>LateX is the standard for producing mathematical documents on many
> >>universities. I highly recommend you learn it. Unlike some self invented
> >>shorthand lateX allows you to express any mathematical expression
> >>unambiguously. LateX will also benefit you when you are writing a thesis
> >>because you'll be able to get a perfect layout just by coding correctly
> >>rather than having to check it on the screen.
> >>
> >>You can write lateX in any text editor, and you can convert it into PDF
> >>using the pdflatex command line program which comes with mictex.
> >>I hear TeXnic center is accessible and could make your job easier.
> >>There are many lateX tutorials which can get you started.
> >>Tim
> >>On 1/24/2012 5:51 AM, Lanie wrote:
> >>>I only tried ones specificly for math such as LaTeX and Scientific
> >>>Notebook, but that's a good idea to use shorthand in a regular
> >>>workprocessor.
> >>>
> >>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>From: Alex Hall <mehgcap at gmail.com
> >>>To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> >>><blindmath at nfbnet.org
> >>>Date sent: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 23:45:09 -0500
> >>>Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Homework for College Class
> >>>
> >>>What programs have you tried for wordprocessing? I can't think of any
> >>>that nvda won't work with. Even Notepad should do the trick, even if
> you
> >>>have to use a shorthand for some symbols, such as sr(x) for square root
> >>>of x.
> >>>
> >>>Have a great day,
> >>>Alex (msg sent from my iPod)
> >>>mehgcap at gmail.com; //facebook.com/mehgcap
> >>>
> >>>On Jan 23, 2012, at 23:25, Lanie <readtobuild at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>Hi, all. I was wondering if anyone can help with this. I'm taking a
> >>>calculus class in college, where I've just done "so homework and now
> have
> >>>it in Braille. I'm not beure how to transcribe it into a format my
> >>>professor can read though. Does anyone have any suggestions. So far, I
> >>>thought of using a computer program where I could type it out and email
> >>>it to him, but I haven't found one that's accessible with NVDA, the
> >>>screen reader I use. My second option would be reading it all out loud
> >>>on to a digital recorder and emailing it to him, but that's just really
> >>>tedious. Also, I've thought about getting a reader and scribe, but that
> >>>will make me tied down to someone, and with my schedule, that won't
> >>>really work. I would really appreciate any help ASAP. Thanks.
> >>>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 17:36:13 -0000
> From: "Michael Whapples" <mwhapples at aim.com>
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> Amanda I probably would naturally choose the notation you gave, it is more
> obvious to anyone what it is without needing to explain your notation. Well
> strictly speaking using the brackets like that isn't a special notation,
> its
> a commonly used system when dealing with computer software, excel probably
> would understand it, etc.
>
> Michael Whapples
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Amanda Lacy
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 3:06 PM
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Homework for College Class
>
> Ben,
>
> Do sighted professors understand 1 // 2/3 without explanation? I use
> 1/(2/3)
> to make sure anyone can know what I meant.
>
> Amanda
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ben Humphreys" <brh at opticinspiration.org>
> To: "Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics"
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 7:59 AM
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Homework for College Class
>
>
> > While I certainly can't quarrel with the presentation of Latex, I did
> just
> > finish Calculus 1 and I can vouch that there is plenty to learn and
> > challenges to overcome without the added complexity and difficulty of
> > reading Latex compared to a shorthand, which I've discussed before.
> >
> > For example, consider a fraction divided by another fraction such as 1
> > divided by 2/3
> >
> > In Latex, we have:
> >
> > \frac{ 1 }{ \frac{ 2}{3} }
> >
> > Now, consider the shorthand that I used in my own homework
> >
> > 1 // 2/3
> >
> > So the double slash is the "big" division line" if you will.
> >
> > Now, I'm aware of all the shortcomings of non-standards based solutions,
> > but as a practical matter, you're working hundreds of prolems, some of
> > them difficult enough in math, without the added complexity, syntax, and
> > additional brainpower to translate Latek back into what your classmates
> > are seeing natively.
> >
> > Admittedly, I'm dealing with blindness as an adult without the benefit of
> > mastery of braille or Nemeth at a young age, so I rely on a screen reader
> > and others mileage may very.
> >
> > Ben
> >
> > At 03:55 AM 1/24/2012, you wrote:
> >>Lanie,
> >>LateX is the standard for producing mathematical documents on many
> >>universities. I highly recommend you learn it. Unlike some self invented
> >>shorthand lateX allows you to express any mathematical expression
> >>unambiguously. LateX will also benefit you when you are writing a thesis
> >>because you'll be able to get a perfect layout just by coding correctly
> >>rather than having to check it on the screen.
> >>
> >>You can write lateX in any text editor, and you can convert it into PDF
> >>using the pdflatex command line program which comes with mictex.
> >>I hear TeXnic center is accessible and could make your job easier.
> >>There are many lateX tutorials which can get you started.
> >>Tim
> >>On 1/24/2012 5:51 AM, Lanie wrote:
> >>>I only tried ones specificly for math such as LaTeX and Scientific
> >>>Notebook, but that's a good idea to use shorthand in a regular
> >>>workprocessor.
> >>>
> >>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>From: Alex Hall <mehgcap at gmail.com
> >>>To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> >>><blindmath at nfbnet.org
> >>>Date sent: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 23:45:09 -0500
> >>>Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Homework for College Class
> >>>
> >>>What programs have you tried for wordprocessing? I can't think of any
> >>>that nvda won't work with. Even Notepad should do the trick, even if
> you
> >>>have to use a shorthand for some symbols, such as sr(x) for square root
> >>>of x.
> >>>
> >>>Have a great day,
> >>>Alex (msg sent from my iPod)
> >>>mehgcap at gmail.com; //facebook.com/mehgcap
> >>>
> >>>On Jan 23, 2012, at 23:25, Lanie <readtobuild at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>Hi, all. I was wondering if anyone can help with this. I'm taking a
> >>>calculus class in college, where I've just done "so homework and now
> have
> >>>it in Braille. I'm not beure how to transcribe it into a format my
> >>>professor can read though. Does anyone have any suggestions. So far, I
> >>>thought of using a computer program where I could type it out and email
> >>>it to him, but I haven't found one that's accessible with NVDA, the
> >>>screen reader I use. My second option would be reading it all out loud
> >>>on to a digital recorder and emailing it to him, but that's just really
> >>>tedious. Also, I've thought about getting a reader and scribe, but that
> >>>will make me tied down to someone, and with my schedule, that won't
> >>>really work. I would really appreciate any help ASAP. Thanks.
> >>>
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