[Blindmath] Blindmath Digest, Vol 78, Issue 21
vincent martin
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Thu Jan 31 22:46:00 UTC 2013
As a blind graduate student in a STEM field and having done rehabilitation
engineering for the past twenty-four years, it is safe to say that unless
they are giving you the answers, there is nothing they can do to give a
blind a person an "unfair" advantage! I have had this conversation with
some educators and many non-educators and most finally realize how much more
we have to know and do just to try and keep up to the normal workload. I
know some bllind graduate students who haven't taken a day, including the
weekends, off in years because they know how easy it is to get behind. I
sometimes get lucky and find out what book we are using before the next
semester. I have routinely read the entire book, because the instructor
hadn't created a syllabus yet. Oh well if I read eight hundred pages and
then we only use six chapters. Hey, let's get all the "suggested" readings
and read them anyway, because you just know there is something on the board
or in some handout that you did not see that is important. I just loved
that Cognitive Psychology class with the 124 PDF files that were journal
articles and scans from various books. Over thirty were just images that
had to be converted and at least half had trouble spots in them that I could
not read.
If they had to wait two or four weeks to get your books or three to five
days to find out what that picture or image was on the PowerPoint, then
maybe they wouldn't be so restrictive. I love it when you can't use your
assistive technology to take an exam, because you might have the ability to
use it to solve a problem. No Braille Note, well let's spend a crapload of
money getting the exam for you in Braille. Now let's wait a week for it to
be transcribed and then graded. With any luck, you might know what you made
or what you did wrong in a week or so. I am finally getting the school to
get Chatty so I can easily transfer Mathematical equations and problems
between my professor and I. At least when I take the Ph. D qualifier, I
will be in the same eight hour written portion and four hour verbal portion
that all the other "fortunate" potential candidates have to deal with.
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1. Integrated Math Curriculum Accessible (Mary Woodyard)
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Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 14:56:25 -0500
From: "Mary Woodyard" <marywoodyard at comcast.net>
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Subject: [Blindmath] Integrated Math Curriculum Accessible
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Thanks Rebecca for your support. I think using a human reader is fine
also. My son already has the use of a Human Reader and a Screen Reader in
his IEP. We have had several meetings recently regarding why the school
wants to change from a human reader to a screen reader and the answer is
that it is a District direction because some of the Math teachers are not
comfortable with the human reader's ability to correctly read the Math. We
are in Georgia and there are constraints on what can be read and what
cannot. For instance, because his curriculum is spiraling - he has moved
from the Arcs and Angles and circles inscribed into triangles that he was
doing when I sent my first email and his class is now doing Graphs -
specifically Piecewise Functions.
This Math skill has several kinds of brackets - an absolute value bracket, a
ceiling bracket, a floor bracket and just regular parentheses. The human
reader is not allowed to differentiate between them. What the school system
is calling using a screen reader is actually having a human reader read the
test into Kurzweil with the limitations of descriptions that our state
mandates in the problems to reduce the chance of helping a student too much
with voice inflection or error by human readers at the school level. The
school district is calling Kurzweil a screen reader - although technically
it is not - it is a human reader reading into Kurzweil.
They are testing this today with a Summative test for my son. He will,
however, be taking the test in large print and using Kurzweil to read back
any problem he needs more information on read back by Kurzweil - instead of
a human. He does have some Nemeth basic training - but from what I can
gather - the problems that he is having in large print (the geometry with
the arcs and angles) would also be a problem in braille. In addition, then
there would be a delay in getting the information transcribed both for
homework for him and also for his teachers to give him feedback. I do think
the technology is there to help with this delay - however, unless Braille
could fix that arcs and angles problem - I am not sure if moving to Braille
will be an immediate help for him.
Tactile graphics did help him and hopefully will continue to help. The
silliness with the school system is something none of us can fix.
Hopefully the overwhelming task of trying to have someone at the district
read back every test and quiz for him in the time frame that they need it
will send them back to human readers quickly. The district needs two weeks
to turn a test around and usually the teachers don't write them that far in
advance. My district writes their own curriculum - there is no book for this
year as the district is moving to block Math for the future. My son is the
last grade using this spiraling curriculum.
The help I received from this forum did help me figure out what could or
could not be done for him with respect to accessibility and I appreciate it.
The problems he is having now are not technology or accessibility problems
that you can help me with - it's just the normal bureaucracy of a school
system. I am working with my son's vision teacher and the state vision
representative to work through it. Thanks everyone for your help! I
personally think the human reader option is perfect for him when he needs it
with Math or Science! Its interesting to note that they are so
uncomfortable with it.
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1. Re: thoughts on a PIAF please (Lewicki, Maureen)
2. Re: Integrated Math Curriculum Accessible
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Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 13:37:38 +0000
From: "Lewicki, Maureen" <mlewicki at bcsd.neric.org>
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I like this for the quick draws, and it is under Federal Quota, if you can
use Federal Quota. I requires mylar sheets, but I often grab sheet protector
sleeves from Staples, cut them open and use them.
http://shop.aph.org/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_DRAFTSMAN%20Tactile%20
Drawing%20Board_1-08857-00P_10001_11051
Maureen Murphy Lewicki
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From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Pielaet,
Jon
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 2:50 PM
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Subject: Re: [Blindmath] thoughts on a PIAF please
The sensational blackboard looks like a neat tactile graphics slate for
manual production.
http://sensationalbooks.com/?wpsc-product=sensational-blackboard
Jon Pielaet
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From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lewicki,
Maureen
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 11:45 AM
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Subject: Re: [Blindmath] thoughts on a PIAF please
I am not familiar with sensational blackboard. It is something that can
produce hardcopies?
Maureen Murphy Lewicki
Teacher of Visually Impaired
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Rebecca M (TASC) [REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com]
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 2:21 PM
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Why would this product be used when Sensational Blackboard could be used?
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From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Opra,
Lauren
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 5:46 PM
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Subject: Re: [Blindmath] thoughts on a PIAF please
I use a PIAF fairly regularly. I really like it because it allows me to do
more with curved lines than the graphics program I use. I agree though, it
is not exactly a "quick" way to create graphics unless you are using
templates. If I really need to do something fast I usually use a tactile
drawing board but the graphics are far less detailed. I like it though when
I am in a pinch and something is better than nothing to get a concept
across.
Lauren
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 4:32 PM, Julie Balassa <jbalassa at valenciacollege.edu
> wrote:
> We use it here and it's fantastic. I'm working on some tactile graphs
> right now. "Quickly" however may not be an applicable adjective -
> smile. If you have templates it saves a bunch of time as you can use
> bits and pieces of old Illustrator files to copy and paste into new ones.
>
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> Subject: [Blindmath] thoughts on a PIAF please
>
> Good Day! Is anyone using a PIAF to produce graphics quickly? Please
> let me know what you think of it. Thanks!
>
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Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 17:20:47 +0000
From: "Pickrell, Rebecca M (TASC)" <REBECCA.PICKRELL at tasc.com>
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Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Integrated Math Curriculum Accessible
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Nothing wrong with using a human reader. Tell the school to stuff it. Better
yet, if he needs a human reader, then put that in his IEP.
You may want to have him learn Braille, though if he doesn't have the
sensitivity in his hands, that won't work. Still, it's worth a try.
He can also take math in summer school. I don't mean take the summer school
the "bad" kids take but the optional one that kids use to get ahead in
coursework. He'll be with teachers and students who want to be there, v.
those that *have* to be there, and he'll have each day every day spent on
the math of choice.
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From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mary
Woodyard
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 2:09 PM
To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Blindmath] Integrated Math Curriculum Accessible
Sorry for the confusion - I really do have several questions. To begin
with, my son is taking an Integrated Math Curriculum so he will do
Statistics for 2-3 weeks, then switch to Geometry, then to Algebra, and then
Graphing and keep rotating them. Visually, he does fairly well with large
print for the Algebra and Statistics. His main accessibility problem with
these types of problems is differentiating between characters - like "3" and
"B" and "8". Or "7" and "Z" and "2". With the algebra in particular, it is
hard for him to read the difference in the letters and numbers so he needs
some of it read back.
The Geometry - particularly the Angle Segments and Arcs and when Triangles
inscribe into Circles is where he really struggled this year. His vision
teacher did come in and introduce tactile graphics toward the end of the
unit - and hopefully that will help him with Math 3 this next year. He is
stuck completing high school with an integrated Math Curriculum. He needed
quite a bit of information read back to him during the Geometry Unit and
also needs information read back for the Graphing Unit they are doing now.
Although he has classwork and testing accommodation for both human and
screen readers, the fact that he is using a human reader has raised alarm
with someone within the school and they are not pleased he is using a human
reader. That is why I was wondering how complicated it would be to try and
convert the PDFs that they teach from and his classwork is in to be read by
a screen reader. His school writes their own curriculum from PDFs - they do
not use a book.
The screen reader that he has installed on his notebook is Zoom Text,
although he is not using it much right now. He uses an electronic text
program called Kurzweil which is supposed to have added Math accessibility
with its last release. However, Kurzweil does not read the Geometry or
symbols with much accuracy. If I need him to move to JAWS, to make the Math
Type work, will it read the type of problems that I have attached here? I
think Kiran has told me it will not.
So I guess I am asking several questions, Will Math Type work with Zoom
Text, as well as JAWS? Will Math Type read back Algebra like in your
example? Will Math Type read back Geometry like illustrated above? Thanks
for your help!
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: How to have a screen reader read back geometry and
graphs? (Bente J. Casile)
2. Re: How to have a screen reader read back geometry and
graphs? (Kiran)
3. Re: How to have a screen reader read back geometry and
graphs? (Neil Soiffer)
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Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 19:40:20 +0000
From: "Bente J. Casile" <bjcasile at waketech.edu>
To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
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Subject: Re: [Blindmath] How to have a screen reader read back
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Mary,
Math Type or Scientific Notebook would work for you. If you use Math Type
it will read with JAWS and if you are putting his work in Braille Scientific
Notebook works well. You are correct that screen readers do not read
graphics and the reason Math Type and Scientific Notebook are used is so the
math is read correctly. For example 3x+2 is very different from 3(x+2).
These programs make sure the math is read and put into braille correctly.
Worksheets are tough. If there is any way the school could get Math Type
then the teacher could use them to create the work and it would be
accessible for your 10th grader. As far as reading graphs goes, if your
son is not provided a tactile graphic then he would require an alternative
text description of the graphic. There is also something called sensational
blackboard. It allows the teacher to draw a quick graph on the spot for
your son. It can be used with paper and pencil. If you google it I think
you will find that it is $29.95 so not bad considering what VI products go
for these days. I hope this helps.
Bente J. Casile
Math Learning Specialist
Wake Tech Community College
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From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mary
Woodyard
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 1:35 PM
To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Blindmath] How to have a screen reader read back geometry and
graphs?
I am the parent of a Visually impaired 10th grader and I am curious as to
how I could enable a screen reader to read the typed of information in this
Math Worksheet that my son used in class.
I have been reading this website all summer and from what I understand -
screen readers in general don't read graphics so just using a screen reader
like Zoom Text or JAWS would not work here.
I think I would need to use LaTex or MathType to convert these graphics into
a format that the screen reader could then read. Is this correct? Then
would I need to use Infinity Reader or could Zoom Text or JAWS read it?
I am asking these questions because some teachers in my son's school are
questioning why he needs a human reader to clarify some of the Math problems
for him. He has ROP, Glaucoma and is aphakik - he has partial vision in one
eye only - but can use Large Print quite well for a lot of things. Algebra
and Geometry he needs someone reading some things back to him so he does not
confuse the letters and symbols.
What is the best way to accomplish having a screen reader read back the
geometry and graphs to him instead of a human reader?
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Today's Topics:
1. Integrating SVG with DAISY and MathML (Pranav Lal)
2. Re: Integrating SVG with DAISY and MathML (Kiran)
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Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 19:09:25 +0530
From: "Pranav Lal" <pranav.lal at gmail.com>
To: <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [Blindmath] Integrating SVG with DAISY and MathML
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Hi all,
Is there a tool or technique that allows me to integrate accessible SVG with
a DAISY book that consists of MathML and regular DAISY text?
Note:
If there is a better list for me asking this question, please let me know.
Pranav
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Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 20:20:00 +0530
From: Kiran <Kiran at persiontechnologies.com>
To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
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Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Integrating SVG with DAISY and MathML
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Hi pranav,
I guess there is not any direct way to do so, but there certainly is a
workaround, we can not import an accessible svg file in to a word processor
that may help us in converting it to daisy but we may put a link to the svg
file and launch the svg file in a browser that shall be then accessed via
description.
Shall have a word with you on a call shortly.
Kiran S Deshpande
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On 14-Jan-2013, at 7:09 PM, "Pranav Lal" <pranav.lal at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Is there a tool or technique that allows me to integrate accessible
> SVG with a DAISY book that consists of MathML and regular DAISY text?
>
> Note:
> If there is a better list for me asking this question, please let me know.
>
> Pranav
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Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 01:42:56 +0530
From: Kiran <Kiran at persiontechnologies.com>
To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
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Subject: Re: [Blindmath] How to have a screen reader read back
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Hey,
Mary has attached a PDF file along with the mail. It is impossible to
comprehend those images. The attachment shows various geometries that are a
print and one has to find angles in different geometries etc, hence alt text
won't work in this context.
Also she has asked for two different questions, but the subject line makes
it little confusing. She has sought answers for geometries and algebra she
has referred latex usage here. Sensational keyboard may not be useful in
comprehending the shape of geometries asked in an examination like she has
attached for our reference but as suggested shall surely help in
understanding shapes.
Regards,
Kiran S Deshpande
Director Innovatin & Research
Innovation Unit,
Persion technologies pvt ltd.
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On 15-Jan-2013, at 1:10 AM, "Bente J. Casile" <bjcasile at waketech.edu> wrote:
> Mary,
>
> Math Type or Scientific Notebook would work for you. If you use Math
> Type it will read with JAWS and if you are putting his work in Braille
> Scientific Notebook works well. You are correct that screen readers
> do not read graphics and the reason Math Type and Scientific Notebook
> are used is so the math is read correctly. For example 3x+2 is very
> different from 3(x+2). These programs make sure the math is read and
> put into braille correctly. Worksheets are tough. If there is any
> way the school could get Math Type then the teacher could use them to
> create the work and it would be accessible for your 10th grader. As
> far as reading graphs goes, if your son is not provided a tactile
> graphic then he would require an alternative text description of the
> graphic. There is also something called sensational blackboard. It
> allows the teacher to draw a quick graph on the spot for your son. It
> can be used with paper and pencil. If you google it I think you will
> find that it is $2
> 9.95 so not bad considering what VI products go for these days. I hope
this helps.
>
> Bente J. Casile
> Math Learning Specialist
> Wake Tech Community College
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Mary Woodyard
> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 1:35 PM
> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Blindmath] How to have a screen reader read back geometry
> and
graphs?
>
>
> I am the parent of a Visually impaired 10th grader and I am curious as
> to
how I could enable a screen reader to read the typed of information in this
Math Worksheet that my son used in class.
>
> I have been reading this website all summer and from what I understand
> -
screen readers in general don't read graphics so just using a screen reader
like Zoom Text or JAWS would not work here.
>
> I think I would need to use LaTex or MathType to convert these
> graphics
into a format that the screen reader could then read. Is this correct?
Then would I need to use Infinity Reader or could Zoom Text or JAWS read it?
>
> I am asking these questions because some teachers in my son's school
> are
questioning why he needs a human reader to clarify some of the Math problems
for him. He has ROP, Glaucoma and is aphakik - he has partial vision in one
eye only - but can use Large Print quite well for a lot of things. Algebra
and Geometry he needs someone reading some things back to him so he does not
confuse the letters and symbols.
>
> What is the best way to accomplish having a screen reader read back
> the
geometry and graphs to him instead of a human reader?
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> 1. Integrating SVG with DAISY and MathML (Pranav Lal)
> 2. Re: Integrating SVG with DAISY and MathML (Kiran)
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> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 19:09:25 +0530
> From: "Pranav Lal" <pranav.lal at gmail.com>
> To: <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [Blindmath] Integrating SVG with DAISY and MathML
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> Hi all,
>
> Is there a tool or technique that allows me to integrate accessible
> SVG
with a DAISY book that consists of MathML and regular DAISY text?
>
> Note:
> If there is a better list for me asking this question, please let me know.
>
> Pranav
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 20:20:00 +0530
> From: Kiran <Kiran at persiontechnologies.com>
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Integrating SVG with DAISY and MathML
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> Hi pranav,
>
> I guess there is not any direct way to do so, but there certainly is a
workaround, we can not import an accessible svg file in to a word processor
that may help us in converting it to daisy but we may put a link to the svg
file and launch the svg file in a browser that shall be then accessed via
description.
>
> Shall have a word with you on a call shortly.
>
>
>
> Kiran S Deshpande
>
>
>
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> On 14-Jan-2013, at 7:09 PM, "Pranav Lal" <pranav.lal at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Is there a tool or technique that allows me to integrate accessible
>> SVG with a DAISY book that consists of MathML and regular DAISY text?
>>
>> Note:
>> If there is a better list for me asking this question, please let me
know.
>>
>> Pranav
>>
>>
>>
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Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:10:21 -0800
From: Neil Soiffer <NeilS at dessci.com>
To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
<blindmath at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Blindmath] How to have a screen reader read back
geometry and graphs?
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Just a small clarification: you can use MathType+Word and export that to a
web page. Then JAWS+IE+MathPlayer will read that. However, at the moment,
you need to export the word doc to a web page. That will change this year.
Stay tuned...
Neil Soiffer
Senior Scientist
Design Science, Inc.
www.dessci.com
~ Makers of MathType, MathFlow, MathPlayer, MathDaisy, Equation Editor ~
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Bente J. Casile
<bjcasile at waketech.edu>wrote:
> Mary,
>
> Math Type or Scientific Notebook would work for you. If you use Math
> Type it will read with JAWS and if you are putting his work in Braille
> Scientific Notebook works well. You are correct that screen readers
> do not read graphics and the reason Math Type and Scientific Notebook
> are used is so the math is read correctly. For example 3x+2 is very
> different from 3(x+2). These programs make sure the math is read and
> put into braille correctly. Worksheets are tough. If there is any
> way the school could get Math Type then the teacher could use them to
> create the work and it would be accessible for your 10th grader. As
> far as reading graphs goes, if your son is not provided a tactile
> graphic then he would require an alternative text description of the
> graphic. There is also something called sensational blackboard. It
> allows the teacher to draw a quick graph on the spot for your son. It
> can be used with paper and pencil. If you google it I think you will
> find that it is $29.95 so not bad considering what VI products go for
these days. I hope this helps.
>
> Bente J. Casile
> Math Learning Specialist
> Wake Tech Community College
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Mary Woodyard
> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 1:35 PM
> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Blindmath] How to have a screen reader read back geometry
> and graphs?
>
>
> I am the parent of a Visually impaired 10th grader and I am curious as
> to how I could enable a screen reader to read the typed of information
> in this Math Worksheet that my son used in class.
>
> I have been reading this website all summer and from what I understand
> - screen readers in general don't read graphics so just using a screen
> reader like Zoom Text or JAWS would not work here.
>
> I think I would need to use LaTex or MathType to convert these
> graphics into a format that the screen reader could then read. Is
> this
correct?
> Then would I need to use Infinity Reader or could Zoom Text or JAWS
> read it?
>
> I am asking these questions because some teachers in my son's school
> are questioning why he needs a human reader to clarify some of the
> Math problems for him. He has ROP, Glaucoma and is aphakik - he has
> partial vision in one eye only - but can use Large Print quite well
> for a lot of things. Algebra and Geometry he needs someone reading
> some things back to him so he does not confuse the letters and symbols.
>
> What is the best way to accomplish having a screen reader read back
> the geometry and graphs to him instead of a human reader?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> blindmath-request at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 1:01 PM
> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Blindmath Digest, Vol 78, Issue 6
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> Today's Topics:
>
> 1. Integrating SVG with DAISY and MathML (Pranav Lal)
> 2. Re: Integrating SVG with DAISY and MathML (Kiran)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 19:09:25 +0530
> From: "Pranav Lal" <pranav.lal at gmail.com>
> To: <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [Blindmath] Integrating SVG with DAISY and MathML
> Message-ID: <005901cdf25c$9433ace0$bc9b06a0$@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Hi all,
>
> Is there a tool or technique that allows me to integrate accessible
> SVG with a DAISY book that consists of MathML and regular DAISY text?
>
> Note:
> If there is a better list for me asking this question, please let me know.
>
> Pranav
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 20:20:00 +0530
> From: Kiran <Kiran at persiontechnologies.com>
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Integrating SVG with DAISY and MathML
> Message-ID:
> <5D497E56-6C30-4888-8E38-CBCE249EA903 at persiontechnologies.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Hi pranav,
>
> I guess there is not any direct way to do so, but there certainly is a
> workaround, we can not import an accessible svg file in to a word
> processor that may help us in converting it to daisy but we may put a
> link to the svg file and launch the svg file in a browser that shall
> be then accessed via description.
>
> Shall have a word with you on a call shortly.
>
>
>
> Kiran S Deshpande
>
>
>
>
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> On 14-Jan-2013, at 7:09 PM, "Pranav Lal" <pranav.lal at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Is there a tool or technique that allows me to integrate accessible
> > SVG with a DAISY book that consists of MathML and regular DAISY text?
> >
> > Note:
> > If there is a better list for me asking this question, please let me
> know.
> >
> > Pranav
> >
> >
> >
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