[Blindmath] Nemetex

Fri Jun 7 12:46:35 UTC 2013

Thanks for all your help Sarah! I am trying to figure out LaTeX, because I
feel like even if I don't use it now, I probably will find it useful at some
point of time.
 Are you still using a Pac Mate for Math? You had mentioned that you studied
Economics in college as well. How did you work with the Graphs? In high
school all my diagrams were made using wikkistix on raised graph paper, but
I've been wondering if there's another way.

Shalini

-----Original Message-----
From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sarah
Jevnikar
Sent: 07 June 2013 05:37
To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Nemetex

Hi there,
I found myself in your exact position 5 years ago: realizing with a jolt
that my public school days of having a braill-to-print and vice-versa
transcriber were nearly over and I needed an alternative way, preferrably
using Nemeth.

I found Nemetex, and in spite of initial bumps and many emails to the
developers, I got it going. Here are some tips I've learned along the way.

Disclaimer: I was using JAWS 8 and up, a Braille Lite 40 which became a Pac
Mate BX400, and Windows XP.

Split your work into individual questions/sections. If errors do appear, you
don't want to have to read through a giant file for one missing main-line
indicator. Not that I'd know anything about that ...

Learn enough LaTeX to get by: sometimes you can fix your own errors this
way. Maybe you'll want to learn the whole markup language later, but at
least know how math symbols are rendered. Try a trial of Nemetex and
translate a file of your own work: you'll know what you wrote in Braille,
and you'll quickly learn it's more intuitive than you'd think.

Most symbols are recognized now, but if you're using something obscure,
check the list of supported symbols in the user's guide.

If you can't access a Braille display, get acquainted with how a .txt
braille file is read to you with speech. (for example, a punctuation
indicator is a _, the = sign is .k). That way, you can fix things from your
desktop (either from within Nemetex itself or in Notepad). If you do have a
Braille display, have it hooked up for proofreading purposes.

I don't mean to scare you: I have successfully used Nemetex to complete
first (single-variable) and second-year (multi-variable) calculus,
statistics and economics. But any software comes with a few quirks, so it's
best that you're aware of them now rather than 2AM six months from now, the
day before an assignment's due (not that I'd know anything about that,
either) ;)

Learning LaTeX is a good idea, but I'm still hesitant to take the plunge.
Reading my Nemetex output certainly has helped make it look less
intimidating.

Happy studies,
Sarah

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From: Blindmath [blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Shalini Menon
[shalini1394 at gmail.com]
Sent: June 5, 2013 12:49 AM
To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Nemetex

Thanks everyone for the advice.
Aine, that was really really helpful! I think the braille note sounds like a
good idea, because I love Nemeth and I'm really comfortable with it.
However, as I plan to study Economics in college as well, I will probably
need to do a lot of Stats. I'm thinking maybe I could learn to do math on a
computer as well, so I can switch over when ever I need to.

Shalini

On 6/5/13, Shalini Menon <shalini1394 at gmail.com> wrote:
> It's really nice to see you on the list!
> From what I've read, the braille note taker comes with a Perkins style 
> keyboard, which will make writing in Nemeth code easier. It also has a 
> refreshable braille display, so I will be able to read everything back 
> in Braille or Nemeth. As far as I know, it also has an inbuilt daisy 
> player, which I can use to read some of my textbooks. I had contacted 
> the Carroll Center and Susan Osterhaus to get more information about 
> the Braille note taker and I will forward their emails to you. I have 
> also contacted accessisoft, the company that makes Nemetex but am 
> still waiting to hear from them.
>
> Thanks,
> Shalini
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
> Paul Chapin
> Sent: 04 June 2013 20:35
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Nemetex
>
> I've also been looking at Nemetex for this issue. However, I hate to 
> show my ignorance, but my impression was that the Perkins Brailler 
> produces hard copy output only and Nemetex needs an electronic file. 
> We'd have to switch to either a Braille notetaker or scan the printed 
> Braille. BTW, is there any way we can use a standard notebook to do 
> the functions of a braille notetaker? Conceptually it doesn't look 
> like they're that different.
>
> In the interest of full disclosure,  I've done some accessibility 
> support in the past but it hasn't been my primary responsibility so 
> I'm still in the process of bringing myself up to speed.
>
> Paul Chapin
>
>
> From: Shalini Menon 
> <shalini1394 at gmail.com<mailto:shalini1394 at gmail.com>>
> Reply-To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics 
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org>>
> Date: Tuesday, June 4, 2013 12:15 AM
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics 
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org<mailto:blindmath at nfbnet.org>>
> Subject: [Blindmath] Nemetex
>
> Hello!
>
> I plan to major in Math and have been trying to figure out how I would 
> work out and submit my math assignments. I've previously used a 
> Perkins brailler to work out Math problems in Nemeth code. I've been 
> looking out for a programme that converts Nemeth code into print. Has
anyone used Nemetex?
> I'm
> not really sure how it works. I've heard that it works well with the 
> braille note and I've been thinking of getting the braille note apex. 
> Does Nemetex work well with this model?
> I've also looked into learning LaTeX, but as a braille and Nemeth code 
> user, I'm not sure if this is the best option. I would really 
> appreciate any advice or suggestions.
>
> Thanks,
> Shalini
>
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