[Blindmath] MyMathLab and inaccessible etext

Andy B. sonfire11 at gmail.com
Wed May 15 15:17:22 CDT 2013


The DS office is attempting to talk to the DS director to see what they can
come up with.


-----Original Message-----
From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dan Burke
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 4:03 PM
To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
Subject: Re: [Blindmath] MyMathLab and inaccessible etext

It's true whether you are a Braille reader or not. Under the ADA and Section
504, your college must ensure that its courses, including textbooks, are
accessible to and usable by you.  They can't say they can't, but you may
have to take formal action to get them moving.  And it will hinge on whether
they can come to understand that PDF won't be accessible for mathematics.

Dan




On 5/15/13, Penny Gray <grayp at bucks.edu> wrote:
> Are you a Nemeth braille reader? If so, in the United States, they are 
> required to make the book accessible to you. We'd braille our books 
> for our students who need them.
>
> Penny
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
> Michael Whapples
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 1:05 AM
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] MyMathLab and inaccessible etext
>
> See my comments below. My comments are general, in the US I do not 
> know what the legal situation might be on whether you could push some of
the points.
>
> On 15/05/2013 04:05, Andy B. wrote:
>> I am taking a college algebra class at school. The entire class is 
>> done in MathLAB including the textbook. Unfortunately, I cannot get 
>> the textbook in a usable format for screen readers; I use JAWS 14 and 
>> Windows 8. I told the school to request MathML, but the publisher 
>> said that the only format they have is an unlocked pdf file. I do not 
>> trust these pdf files for math because JAWS reads left-to-right and 
>> top-to-bottom. Considering the following things, what should I do to 
>> successfully get my math credit?
> You are right to question PDF, at the moment PDF and math is not 
> accessible.
>>
>>
>> 1.       I was required to buy into the class and textbook before having
>> the
>> ability to evaluate the accessibility of the textbook.
> One would hope that then support will be given, probably this really 
> should come from the school as they put together the course but the 
> publisher might be able to help when it comes to the book.
>
> While not really what you want, if they really cannot make it 
> accessible then one would hope the course fee could be refunded.
>> 2.       The school cannot get the textbook in a usable format
> Depending on the circurmstance then the school may have an 
> responsibility (may be a legal responsibility) to make the course 
> accessible, this might involve them getting the book transcribed to a 
> different format. In my view it does not matter the publisher does not 
> have another format available, the school should have considered this 
> when choosing their course books if they did not want the task of getting
it converted to an accessible format.
>
> While it comes at a price, one might try putting the PDF through 
> infty-reader which will do OCR on the math and may be a starting point 
> for a MathML version. The school may consider buying it for you.
>> 3.       The publisher claims the textbook is online, and there is no
>> screen
>> reader usable format to give.
> I would almost bet money that it was not created originally in PDF.
> However it does not mean the original format would be accessible. 
> While not necessarily my preferred option, but some do ask publishers 
> and authors for LaTeX copies, but I know publishers can be reluctant 
> to give LaTeX versions, I have heard authors tend to be a bit better.
>> 4.       The school cannot change the textbook because it alters the very
>> nature of the class.
> This is an understandable position, however depending what effort is 
> needed to support you they may in future wish to investigate 
> accessibility of a book before designing a course around it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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