[Blindmath] suggestions for accessible 3d graphing paper giids

Andy B. sonfire11 at gmail.com
Fri Nov 22 22:06:09 UTC 2013 

Whether we like it or not, most professors attempt to force students into
the graphing formulas and equasions because to them, it is required to exist
in the "real world". We have no idea when we will run into a problem that
will require the use of a 3d graph, 2d graph, or calculus 4. My wife is
required to take introduction to algebra to graduate with an associates in
general ed classes. Half of the material is geometry with 3d shapes and
graphing systems of equasions.
In the end, after talking to several professors, it comes down to their
inability to teach these concepts to people without the use of graphs. One
of my professors in college level algebra told me that they thought it was
impossible to solve an equasion that required a graph to find the answer.
After explaining that it is no different than solving an equasion (after
all, that's all it is), they started teaching students how to solve the
problem first, then graph the result. I thought this method is normally the
standard, but it isn't now?


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People don't realize that drawing in perspective is an invention. Before
some time around 1300, when creating  paintings, artists didn't regularly
even do things like make objects smaller to make them look like they were
further away. These days, sighted people take this concept of perspective
for granted but for most of human history, it didn't even exist.

I work on the 5th floor in  the math building on the campus of the
University of Wisconsin. On the wall by the elevator, there is a raised
number 5. Under that is the number 5 in braille. That raised number would
mean nothing to someone who has never seen the number 5 in print. 
I am presuming it's there for people who lost their sight.  But the braille
5 and the printed 5 are equally valid representations of the concept of 5.
Certainly the printed symbol 5 would be recognized by more people even so,
they are equally valid representations of the concept of the number 5.

A graph is just like that. A graph is not the actual data, it's a symbolic
representation of the data. Any decent instructor would know that.  Yet, all
too often on this list, we hear of instructors saying that math is too
visual by nature for a blind student to grasp.  It's ridiculous.

There is absolutely nothing in mathematics that is innately visual.  In
fact, the less you rely on the symbolic representations of the concepts, the
better off you are. It's impossible to communicate mathematical concepts
without symbols -- words, print, or braill -- these are all symbols. But
when you are working on the concepts in your own mind, the symbols can only
get in the way. If adequate tools existed for 3D graphics,  a blind student
might very well be better at it than a sighted student who might be locked
into this inadequate perspective drawing concept.




On 11/22/13 11:46, sabra1023 wrote:
> I think if you're going to graphic having the Z axis in the air would 
> be the best option. I've been blind from birth, and while I understand 
> that sighted people delude themselves into thinking a one dimensional 
> picture is a three-dimensional object, I do not understand most of the 
> time how they come to their conclusions about this. They continually 
> treat their pictures as if they're actually objects, which annoys me 
> to no end. Through school, I was just given tactile pictures and 
> taught the way cited people learn. As a result, I thought there was 
> something wrong with my brain and that I could never succeed in math 
> because I couldn't understand their pictures, methods for representing 
> things, and examples. I have come to learn that my brain processes 
> information differently then cited people, but I am still debating 
> with myself as to whether this means it isn't working or not. The 
> point is that now, I can do well in math without their difficult and 
> unnatural ways of doing th
 in
>   gs holding me back. When sighted people look at three-dimensional
representations, there really looking at optical illusions. My brain doesn't
process these illusions. I think it means I'll be better equipped to do math
beyond the third dimension, but it also means I can't tolerate an accurate
representation of the third dimension and beyond. The z-axis may appear to
be floating above the quadrant, but it actually isn't because The quadrant
is now three-dimensional. That's why I think it's even bad for sighted
people to represent three dimensions as pictures.
>
>> On Nov 22, 2013, at 4:58 AM, "Mary Woodyard" <marywoodyard at comcast.net>
wrote:
>>
>> My son will be starting a 3d graphing unit that is fairly short (2 
>> weeks) in about a week.  He spent some time searching online with his 
>> Math tutor for 3d Graphing paper and this is the graph paper that 
>> they found that worked the best for his vision from what they were 
>> able to find in free 3d graph paper options.  Does anyone know of a 
>> more accessible free (or low cost) option?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Mary Woodyard
>> Parent, 17 year old visually impaired student
>>
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>> From: "John Gardner" <gardnerj at onid.orst.edu>
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>> Another suggestion.  There's lots of Latex materials on 
>> www.access2science.com
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>> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 1:42 PM
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>> Hi Paul,
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>> I haven't got access to the net with sufficient time to find the 
>> exact link for you but look for the Summery University held in 
>> conjunction with the ICCHP. Sessions were recorded from 2010 onwards. 
>> I'm not sure if the 2013 ones are uploaded yet but the files 
>> mentioned should all be there for reference purposes.
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>> Hi,
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>> I'm looking for suggestions for material, courses, tutorials or 
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>> From: Andrew Stacey <andrew.stacey at math.ntnu.no>
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>> Subject: [Blindmath] A project to advance MathML support in browsers
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>> I'd like to bring to everyone's attention a project to advance 
>> browser and e-reader support for MathML.  The project description 
>> itself is very detailed, and explicitly mentions the issue of 
>> accessibility in the motivation section.
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>> The person behind this project is Fr?d?ric Wang.  He is one of the 
>> people who has worked hard on MathML support in browser technology 
>> over the last few years, so is best placed to know what the issues 
>> are and what the next stage in development should be.  So if anyone 
>> is going to improved matters, he's the best choice.
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>> He's looking for funding so that he can spend some time concentrating 
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>> where people can contribute.  The actual amount that he is trying to 
>> raise is not actually all that much, particularly given the 
>> wide-ranging benefits that could follow from this.
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>> I hope that all of you will consider supporting this project, and 
>> that some of you will actually do so.
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>> The website is: http://www.ulule.com/mathematics-ebooks/
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>> Andrew Stacey
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