[Blindmath] Nemeth on braillesense
Louis Bryant
louis at braillesoft.net
Mon Oct 14 17:12:14 UTC 2013
Hi. I develop software for the Braille Sense. The only place that accepts Nemeth input and output is in their calculator starting with version 7.0. From the calculator, you can toggle between Computer Braille and Nemeth by using SPACE-G. A solution I'm sure is being developed to allow it in other places. Best, Louis
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From: Margaret C. Allen <margaret.allen at lakotaonline.com>
To: "blindmath at nfbnet.org" <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
Date: Monday, October 14, 2013 3:57 am
Subject: [Blindmath] Nemeth on braillesense
>
>
> I have a braillesense and I want to know if/how to braille Nemeth on it??
>
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> 1. HumanWare's KeySoft 9.4 for BrailleNote Apex to include NEW
> Nemeth Braille option (Susan Jolly)
> 2. Re: FW: Recent posts from Design Science News (Neil Soiffer)
> 3. Re: FW: Recent posts from Design Science News (Michael Whapples)
> 4. Re: FW: Recent posts from Design Science News (Andy B.)
> 5. Re: FW: Recent posts from Design Science News (Neil Soiffer)
> 6. Re: FW: Recent posts from Design Science News (Jamal Mazrui)
> 7. Re: FW: Recent posts from Design Science News (Neil Soiffer)
> 8. Re: FW: Recent posts from Design Science News (Michael Whapples)
> 9. new member introduction (Brett Boyer)
> 10. Re: new member introduction (I. C. Bray)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 12:54:13 com0600
> From: "Susan Jolly" <easjolly at ix.netcom.com>
> To: <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [Blindmath] HumanWare's KeySoft 9.4 for BrailleNote Apex to
> include NEW Nemeth Braille option
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> I was curious about this and the only way I could find to get more details
> was to listen to the archive of a recording of the HumanWare webinar given
> Sept. 26. I don't recommend doing this unless you need to know the latest
> for their VictorStream and Apex. I couldn't find any way to avoid listening
> to the entire hour before there was a bit about the new Nemeth option at the
> end.
>
> Here's what I learned about the new option. When a student is typing a
> default braille document on an Apex, they will be able to enter a new
> special keystroke which inserts a tag into the document to flag a switch to
> Nemeth math. If speech is on, then what is entered during Nemeth math will
> be spoken using something like Nemeth MathSpeak. Also, if the document is
> saved as a print Word document, the narrative text and the math will be
> interpreted. However, the interpretation or backtranslation of Nemeth math
> is only to the Apex ad hoc horizontal or linear math, not to properly
> typeset print math. So, for example, a Nemeth opening simple fraction
> indicator is written in print as "openfrac." As best as I could tell, they
> failed to include the corresponding closefrac but I may have misunderstood.
>
> It also appears that not all of Nemeth math is covered but just the subset
> of Nemeth math in the Apex Nemeth tutorial that is already available on the
> Apex.
>
> SusanJ
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 12:28:09 com0700
> From: Neil Soiffer <NeilS at dessci.com>
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] FW: Recent posts from Design Science News
> Message-ID:
> <CAESRWkAFy=0QZX8KF9dNqisuuvAJTT0pJnbOVJoWx=-wtHy0=Q at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> As the person who wrote the blog post, I obviously do think it is bad news.
> The only way Microsoft will fix it if users like the people who read this
> list and use MathPlayer give them a call and complain. It is hard to
> believe it would take even close to a person-day to fix the IE10 bug.
> Without pressure to fix the bug from users, they aren't motivated to fix
> their crash. So please call and don't assume someone else will do it —
> everyone who cares needs to do it because they need to hear from lots of
> people to make it a priority.
>
> Neil Soiffer
> SeniorScientist
> Design Science, Inc.
> www.dessci.com
> ~ Makers of MathType, MathFlow, MathPlayer, MathDaisy, Equation Editor ~
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 5:41 AM, Lewicki, Maureen
> <mlewicki at bcsd.neric.org>wrote:
>
> > Your thoughts, Folks? I am not familiar with this but it sounds like bad
> > news for accessibility
> >
> > Maureen Murphy Lewicki
> > Maureen Murphy Lewicki
> > Teacher of Visually Impaired
> > Bethlehem Central School
> > 332 Kenwood AvenueDelmar, NY 12054
> > http://bethlehemschools.org<http://bethlehemschools.org/>
> > (518) 439-7460
> > Fax (518) 475-0092
> > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The
> > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
> > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and
> > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
> > nuisancedd"Kenneth Jernigan
> >
> >
> > From: Weinstock, Gwen
> > Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 8:38 AM
> > To: Lewicki, Maureen
> > Subject: FW: Recent posts from Design Science News
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: noreply+feedproxy at google.com<mailto:noreply+feedproxy at google.com> Were
> > noreply+feedproxy at google.com] on behalf of Design Science News Were
> > newsblog at dessci.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 8:13 AM
> > To: Weinstock, Gwen
> > Subject: Recent posts from Design Science News
> > Recent posts from Design Science News<http://news.dessci.com/>
> >
> > [Link to Design Science News] <http://news.dessci.com/>
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > Microsoft cripples the display of math in IE10 & 11<
> > http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/DesignScienceNews/~3/6nqx-VpbPgg/microsoft-cripples-display-math-ie10-11.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email
> > >
> >
> > Posted: 09 Oct 2013 09:25 AM PDT
> > [IeNoMathml] <
> > http://designscience.typepad.com/.a/6a00e54f0d27e28834019affe1def0970c-pi>
> > For the past 12 years, IE users have benefited from our free MathPlayer
> > plugin<http://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathplayer/> to display and
> > speak math on the web. MathPlayer has been downloaded over a million times
> > and billions of expressions have been rendered by it on the web.
> > Additionally, tens of million expressions have been spoken allowing people
> > with disabilities from dyslexia to blindness to get access to math.
> > However, MathPlayer cannot be made to work with IE 10 or IE11 until
> > Microsoft decides it is worth their attention.
> >
> > Until they address the problems, it means an end to accessible math in IE
> > — IE goes from being the best solution for math accessibility to having no
> > math accessibility. It also means that websites that deliver math need to
> > use the JavaScript-based MathJax<http://www.mathjax.org> solution if the
> > math is going to render in IE. MathJax is a great solution and works with
> > MathPlayer now, but without MathPlayer, the display is many times slower
> > than if MathPlayer is used. So with every page containing math that you
> > view, you are paying a price for the lack of MathML support in IE.
> >
> > Why MathPlayer doesn't work in IE10 and IE11
> >
> > We wish we could make MathPlayer work with IE10 and IE11, but we can't. A
> > half a year ago when we released MathPlayer 3, IE10 simply had too many
> > bugs for us to be able to say MathPlayer worked with it. A recent update to
> > IE10 fixed a number of bugs so that MathPlayer now works tantalizingly well
> > except that math inside of a span or table causes IE10 to crash. The crash
> > is in IE10, not MathPlayer — earlier versions of IE work well with the
> > same MathPlayer code. Unfortunately, these two cases occur quite often, so
> > MathPlayer isn't usable in IE10. Microsoft is aware of the bug but
> > indicated that fixing the problem was not a priority for them.
> >
> > There is a different reason why we can't make MathPlayer work with IE11:
> > Microsoft disabled the plug-in technology MathPlayer uses to display math
> > in IE called a binary behavior. Behaviors allow third party developers to
> > extend the capabilities of the browser. It is a powerful idea, but
> > unfortunately Microsoft disabled support for binary behaviors<
> > http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ie/bg182625%28v=vs.85%29.aspx#legacyAPIs
> > >.
> >
> > What can you do?
> >
> > If math and accessible math on the web is important to you, make some
> > noise! Write a blog post, share this story with your friends and
> > colleagues, contact Microsoft directly and get your friends and colleagues
> > to do so also. If they get enough direct feedback from customers — not
> > other software developers, they will hopefully give this matter the
> > attention it deserves. You can report Internet Explorer issues directly to
> > them at http://connect.microsoft.com/IE. If you can contact their
> > Technical Support Staff by telephone your report will carry even more
> > weight. You can contact Microsoft Technical Support at (800) 936-5700.
> >
> > In the meantime, if you need math accessibility or don't want to wait
> > extra time for pages to display math, don't upgrade to IE10 or IE11. That
> > also means not upgrading to Windows 8.x because Windows 8.x only supports
> > IE10 and IE11.
> >
> > With your help, we hope that IE returns to being the best browser for
> > viewing math.
> >
> >
> > You are subscribed to email updates from Design Science News<
> > http://news.dessci.com/>
> > To stop receiving these emails, you may unsubscribe now<
> > http://feedburner.google.com/fb/a/mailunsubscribe?k=N9PEMvD1KflH6wkD-tl0M9UnZy0
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 20:33:21 +0100
> From: Michael Whapples <mwhapples at aim.com>
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] FW: Recent posts from Design Science News
> Message-ID: <52585281.8070807 at aim.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Neil, what is the best way for us to let Microsoft know our views?
> Sometimes these companies are so large it is hard to know where to go to
> let the people who need to know hear our comments.
>
> Michael Whapples
> On 11/10/2013 20:28, Neil Soiffer wrote:
> > As the person who wrote the blog post, I obviously do think it is bad news.
> > The only way Microsoft will fix it if users like the people who read this
> > list and use MathPlayer give them a call and complain. It is hard to
> > believe it would take even close to a person-day to fix the IE10 bug.
> > Without pressure to fix the bug from users, they aren't motivated to fix
> > their crash. So please call and don't assume someone else will do it —
> > everyone who cares needs to do it because they need to hear from lots of
> > people to make it a priority.
> >
> > Neil Soiffer
> > SeniorScientist
> > Design Science, Inc.
> > www.dessci.com
> > ~ Makers of MathType, MathFlow, MathPlayer, MathDaisy, Equation Editor ~
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 5:41 AM, Lewicki, Maureen
> > <mlewicki at bcsd.neric.org>wrote:
> >
> >> Your thoughts, Folks? I am not familiar with this but it sounds like bad
> >> news for accessibility
> >>
> >> Maureen Murphy Lewicki
> >> Maureen Murphy Lewicki
> >> Teacher of Visually Impaired
> >> Bethlehem Central School
> >> 332 Kenwood AvenueDelmar, NY 12054
> >> http://bethlehemschools.org<http://bethlehemschools.org/>
> >> (518) 439-7460
> >> Fax (518) 475-0092
> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The
> >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
> >> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and
> >> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
> >> nuisancedd"Kenneth Jernigan
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Weinstock, Gwen
> >> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 8:38 AM
> >> To: Lewicki, Maureen
> >> Subject: FW: Recent posts from Design Science News
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: noreply+feedproxy at google.com<mailto:noreply+feedproxy at google.com> Were
> >> noreply+feedproxy at google.com] on behalf of Design Science News Were
> >> newsblog at dessci.com]
> >> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 8:13 AM
> >> To: Weinstock, Gwen
> >> Subject: Recent posts from Design Science News
> >> Recent posts from Design Science News<http://news.dessci.com/>
> >>
> >> [Link to Design Science News] <http://news.dessci.com/>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >>
> >> Microsoft cripples the display of math in IE10 & 11<
> >> http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/DesignScienceNews/~3/6nqx-VpbPgg/microsoft-cripples-display-math-ie10-11.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email
> >> Posted: 09 Oct 2013 09:25 AM PDT
> >> [IeNoMathml] <
> >> http://designscience.typepad.com/.a/6a00e54f0d27e28834019affe1def0970c-pi>
> >> For the past 12 years, IE users have benefited from our free MathPlayer
> >> plugin<http://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathplayer/> to display and
> >> speak math on the web. MathPlayer has been downloaded over a million times
> >> and billions of expressions have been rendered by it on the web.
> >> Additionally, tens of million expressions have been spoken allowing people
> >> with disabilities from dyslexia to blindness to get access to math.
> >> However, MathPlayer cannot be made to work with IE 10 or IE11 until
> >> Microsoft decides it is worth their attention.
> >>
> >> Until they address the problems, it means an end to accessible math in IE
> >> — IE goes from being the best solution for math accessibility to having no
> >> math accessibility. It also means that websites that deliver math need to
> >> use the JavaScript-based MathJax<http://www.mathjax.org> solution if the
> >> math is going to render in IE. MathJax is a great solution and works with
> >> MathPlayer now, but without MathPlayer, the display is many times slower
> >> than if MathPlayer is used. So with every page containing math that you
> >> view, you are paying a price for the lack of MathML support in IE.
> >>
> >> Why MathPlayer doesn't work in IE10 and IE11
> >>
> >> We wish we could make MathPlayer work with IE10 and IE11, but we can't. A
> >> half a year ago when we released MathPlayer 3, IE10 simply had too many
> >> bugs for us to be able to say MathPlayer worked with it. A recent update to
> >> IE10 fixed a number of bugs so that MathPlayer now works tantalizingly well
> >> except that math inside of a span or table causes IE10 to crash. The crash
> >> is in IE10, not MathPlayer — earlier versions of IE work well with the
> >> same MathPlayer code. Unfortunately, these two cases occur quite often, so
> >> MathPlayer isn't usable in IE10. Microsoft is aware of the bug but
> >> indicated that fixing the problem was not a priority for them.
> >>
> >> There is a different reason why we can't make MathPlayer work with IE11:
> >> Microsoft disabled the plug-in technology MathPlayer uses to display math
> >> in IE called a binary behavior. Behaviors allow third party developers to
> >> extend the capabilities of the browser. It is a powerful idea, but
> >> unfortunately Microsoft disabled support for binary behaviors<
> >> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ie/bg182625%28v=vs.85%29.aspx#legacyAPIs
> >>> .
> >> What can you do?
> >>
> >> If math and accessible math on the web is important to you, make some
> >> noise! Write a blog post, share this story with your friends and
> >> colleagues, contact Microsoft directly and get your friends and colleagues
> >> to do so also. If they get enough direct feedback from customers — not
> >> other software developers, they will hopefully give this matter the
> >> attention it deserves. You can report Internet Explorer issues directly to
> >> them at http://connect.microsoft.com/IE. If you can contact their
> >> Technical Support Staff by telephone your report will carry even more
> >> weight. You can contact Microsoft Technical Support at (800) 936-5700.
> >>
> >> In the meantime, if you need math accessibility or don't want to wait
> >> extra time for pages to display math, don't upgrade to IE10 or IE11. That
> >> also means not upgrading to Windows 8.x because Windows 8.x only supports
> >> IE10 and IE11.
> >>
> >> With your help, we hope that IE returns to being the best browser for
> >> viewing math.
> >>
> >>
> >> You are subscribed to email updates from Design Science News<
> >> http://news.dessci.com/>
> >> To stop receiving these emails, you may unsubscribe now<
> >> http://feedburner.google.com/fb/a/mailunsubscribe?k=N9PEMvD1KflH6wkD-tl0M9UnZy0
> >>> .
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 16:02:37 com0400
> From: "Andy B." <sonfire11 at gmail.com>
> To: "'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'"
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] FW: Recent posts from Design Science News
> Message-ID: <000201cec6bc$d61429c0$823c7d40$@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=by us-ascii"
>
> There could be a addon for Firefox, that way people who use Linux and
> Windows can use MathML. Then by chance Microsoft decides not to fix the
> problem, MathML access can continue as expected.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael
> Whapples
> Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 3:33 PM
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] FW: Recent posts from Design Science News
>
> Neil, what is the best way for us to let Microsoft know our views?
> Sometimes these companies are so large it is hard to know where to go to let
> the people who need to know hear our comments.
>
> Michael Whapples
> On 11/10/2013 20:28, Neil Soiffer wrote:
> > As the person who wrote the blog post, I obviously do think it is bad
> news.
> > The only way Microsoft will fix it if users like the people who read
> > this list and use MathPlayer give them a call and complain. It is hard
> > to believe it would take even close to a person-day to fix the IE10 bug.
> > Without pressure to fix the bug from users, they aren't motivated to
> > fix their crash. So please call and don't assume someone else will do
> > it — everyone who cares needs to do it because they need to hear from
> > lots of people to make it a priority.
> >
> > Neil Soiffer
> > SeniorScientist
> > Design Science, Inc.
> > www.dessci.com
> > ~ Makers of MathType, MathFlow, MathPlayer, MathDaisy, Equation Editor
> > ~
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 5:41 AM, Lewicki, Maureen
> > <mlewicki at bcsd.neric.org>wrote:
> >
> >> Your thoughts, Folks? I am not familiar with this but it sounds like
> >> bad news for accessibility
> >>
> >> Maureen Murphy Lewicki
> >> Maureen Murphy Lewicki
> >> Teacher of Visually Impaired
> >> Bethlehem Central School
> >> 332 Kenwood AvenueDelmar, NY 12054
> >> http://bethlehemschools.org<http://bethlehemschools.org/>
> >> (518) 439-7460
> >> Fax (518) 475-0092
> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real
> >> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists.
> >> If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness
> >> can be reduced to a mere physical nuisancedd"Kenneth Jernigan
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Weinstock, Gwen
> >> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 8:38 AM
> >> To: Lewicki, Maureen
> >> Subject: FW: Recent posts from Design Science News
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From:
> >> noreply+feedproxy at google.com<mailto:noreply+feedproxy at google.com> Were
> >> noreply+feedproxy at google.com] on behalf of Design Science News Were
> >> newsblog at dessci.com]
> >> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 8:13 AM
> >> To: Weinstock, Gwen
> >> Subject: Recent posts from Design Science News Recent posts from
> >> Design Science News<http://news.dessci.com/>
> >>
> >> [Link to Design Science News] <http://news.dessci.com/>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >>
> >> Microsoft cripples the display of math in IE10 & 11<
> >> http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/DesignScienceNews/~3/6nqx-VpbPgg/micro
> >> soft-cripples-display-math-ie10-11.8tml"utmlessource=feedburner&utm_med
> >> ium=email
> >> Posted: 09 Oct 2013 09:25 AM PDT
> >> [IeNoMathml] <
> >> http://designscience.typepad.com/.a/6a00e54f0d27e28834019affe1def0970
> >> c-pi> For the past 12 years, IE users have benefited from our free
> >> MathPlayer plugin<http://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathplayer/> to
> >> display and speak math on the web. MathPlayer has been downloaded
> >> over a million times and billions of expressions have been rendered
> >> by it on the web.
> >> Additionally, tens of million expressions have been spoken allowing
> >> people with disabilities from dyslexia to blindness to get access to
> math.
> >> However, MathPlayer cannot be made to work with IE 10 or IE11 until
> >> Microsoft decides it is worth their attention.
> >>
> >> Until they address the problems, it means an end to accessible math
> >> in IE
> >> — IE goes from being the best solution for math accessibility to
> >> having no math accessibility. It also means that websites that
> >> deliver math need to use the JavaScript-based
> >> MathJax<http://www.mathjax.org> solution if the math is going to
> >> render in IE. MathJax is a great solution and works with MathPlayer
> >> now, but without MathPlayer, the display is many times slower than if
> >> MathPlayer is used. So with every page containing math that you view, you
> are paying a price for the lack of MathML support in IE.
> >>
> >> Why MathPlayer doesn't work in IE10 and IE11
> >>
> >> We wish we could make MathPlayer work with IE10 and IE11, but we
> >> can't. A half a year ago when we released MathPlayer 3, IE10 simply
> >> had too many bugs for us to be able to say MathPlayer worked with it.
> >> A recent update to
> >> IE10 fixed a number of bugs so that MathPlayer now works
> >> tantalizingly well except that math inside of a span or table causes
> >> IE10 to crash. The crash is in IE10, not MathPlayer — earlier
> >> versions of IE work well with the same MathPlayer code.
> >> Unfortunately, these two cases occur quite often, so MathPlayer isn't
> >> usable in IE10. Microsoft is aware of the bug but indicated that fixing
> the problem was not a priority for them.
> >>
> >> There is a different reason why we can't make MathPlayer work with IE11:
> >> Microsoft disabled the plug-in technology MathPlayer uses to display
> >> math in IE called a binary behavior. Behaviors allow third party
> >> developers to extend the capabilities of the browser. It is a
> >> powerful idea, but unfortunately Microsoft disabled support for
> >> binary behaviors<
> >> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ie/bg182625%28v=vs.85%29.aspx
> >> #legacyAPIs
> >>> .
> >> What can you do?
> >>
> >> If math and accessible math on the web is important to you, make some
> >> noise! Write a blog post, share this story with your friends and
> >> colleagues, contact Microsoft directly and get your friends and
> >> colleagues to do so also. If they get enough direct feedback from
> >> customers — not other software developers, they will hopefully give
> >> this matter the attention it deserves. You can report Internet
> >> Explorer issues directly to them at http://connect.microsoft.com/IE.
> >> If you can contact their Technical Support Staff by telephone your
> >> report will carry even more weight. You can contact Microsoft Technical
> Support at (800) 936-5700.
> >>
> >> In the meantime, if you need math accessibility or don't want to wait
> >> extra time for pages to display math, don't upgrade to IE10 or IE11.
> >> That also means not upgrading to Windows 8.x because Windows 8.x only
> >> supports
> >> IE10 and IE11.
> >>
> >> With your help, we hope that IE returns to being the best browser for
> >> viewing math.
> >>
> >>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 14:41:55 com0700
> From: Neil Soiffer <NeilS at dessci.com>
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] FW: Recent posts from Design Science News
> Message-ID:
> <CAESRWkBsLfUS=qUGUYReh_QXczgA__Cb9B0q_-uW_LU3Dgq=PQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> They are a big organization, and we don't have a great way to contact the
> important people directly. I do have a couple of IE developer email addrs,
> but I don't think it is appropriate I put them out to a wide list. The
> method we suggest in the post is:
>
> "You can report Internet Explorer issues directly to them at
> http://connect.microsoft.com/IE. If you can contact their Technical Support
> Staff by telephone your report will carry even more weight. You can contact
> Microsoft Technical Support at (800) 936-5700."
>
> Again, getting this fix is a matter of numbers: the more people who
> complain about the IE10 bug, the more likely it is that they will fix it.
>
>
> Neil Soiffer
> SeniorScientist
> Design Science, Inc.
> www.dessci.com
> ~ Makers of MathType, MathFlow, MathPlayer, MathDaisy, Equation Editor ~
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 12:33 PM, Michael Whapples <mwhapples at aim.com>wrote:
>
> > Neil, what is the best way for us to let Microsoft know our views?
> > Sometimes these companies are so large it is hard to know where to go to
> > let the people who need to know hear our comments.
> >
> > Michael Whapples
> >
> > On 11/10/2013 20:28, Neil Soiffer wrote:
> >
> >> As the person who wrote the blog post, I obviously do think it is bad
> >> news.
> >> The only way Microsoft will fix it if users like the people who read this
> >> list and use MathPlayer give them a call and complain. It is hard to
> >> believe it would take even close to a person-day to fix the IE10 bug.
> >> Without pressure to fix the bug from users, they aren't motivated to fix
> >> their crash. So please call and don't assume someone else will do it —
> >> everyone who cares needs to do it because they need to hear from lots of
> >> people to make it a priority.
> >>
> >> Neil Soiffer
> >> SeniorScientist
> >> Design Science, Inc.
> >> www.dessci.com
> >> ~ Makers of MathType, MathFlow, MathPlayer, MathDaisy, Equation Editor ~
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 5:41 AM, Lewicki, Maureen
> >> <mlewicki at bcsd.neric.org>**wrote:
> >>
> >> Your thoughts, Folks? I am not familiar with this but it sounds like bad
> >>> news for accessibility
> >>>
> >>> Maureen Murphy Lewicki
> >>> Maureen Murphy Lewicki
> >>> Teacher of Visually Impaired
> >>> Bethlehem Central School
> >>> 332 Kenwood AvenueDelmar, NY 12054
> >>> http://bethlehemschools.org<ht**tp://bethlehemschools.org/<http://bethlehemschools.org/>
> >>> >
> >>> (518) 439-7460
> >>> Fax (518) 475-0092
> >>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The
> >>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
> >>> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and
> >>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
> >>> nuisancedd"Kenneth Jernigan
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: Weinstock, Gwen
> >>> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 8:38 AM
> >>> To: Lewicki, Maureen
> >>> Subject: FW: Recent posts from Design Science News
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ______________________________*inin__
> >>> From: noreply+feedproxy at google.com<**mailto:noreply+feedproxy@**
> >>> google.com <noreply%2Bfeedproxy at google.com>> Were
> >>> noreply+feedproxy at google.com] on behalf of Design Science News Were
> >>> newsblog at dessci.com]
> >>> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 8:13 AM
> >>> To: Weinstock, Gwen
> >>> Subject: Recent posts from Design Science News
> >>> Recent posts from Design Science News<http://news.dessci.com/>
> >>>
> >>> [Link to Design Science News] <http://news.dessci.com/>
> >>>
> >>> ______________________________*inin__
> >>>
> >>> Microsoft cripples the display of math in IE10 & 11<
> >>> http://feedproxy.google.com/~**r/DesignScienceNews/~3/6nqx-**
> >>> VpbPgg/microsoft-cripples-*ininddplay-math-ie10-11.8tml"utm_**
> >>> source=feedburner&utm_medium=*ininemail<http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/DesignScienceNews/~3/6nqx-VpbPgg/microsoft-cripples-display-math-ie10-11.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email>
> >>> Posted: 09 Oct 2013 09:25 AM PDT
> >>> [IeNoMathml] <
> >>> http://designscience.typepad.**com/.a/**6a00e54f0d27e28834019affe1def0**
> >>> 970c-pi<http://designscience.typepad.com/.a/6a00e54f0d27e28834019affe1def0970c-pi>
> >>> >
> >>> For the past 12 years, IE users have benefited from our free MathPlayer
> >>> plugin<http://www.dessci.com/**en/products/mathplayer/<http://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathplayer/>>
> >>> to display and
> >>> speak math on the web. MathPlayer has been downloaded over a million
> >>> times
> >>> and billions of expressions have been rendered by it on the web.
> >>> Additionally, tens of million expressions have been spoken allowing
> >>> people
> >>> with disabilities from dyslexia to blindness to get access to math.
> >>> However, MathPlayer cannot be made to work with IE 10 or IE11 until
> >>> Microsoft decides it is worth their attention.
> >>>
> >>> Until they address the problems, it means an end to accessible math in IE
> >>> — IE goes from being the best solution for math accessibility to having
> >>> no
> >>> math accessibility. It also means that websites that deliver math need to
> >>> use the JavaScript-based MathJax<http://www.mathjax.org**> solution if
> >>> the
> >>> math is going to render in IE. MathJax is a great solution and works with
> >>> MathPlayer now, but without MathPlayer, the display is many times slower
> >>> than if MathPlayer is used. So with every page containing math that you
> >>> view, you are paying a price for the lack of MathML support in IE.
> >>>
> >>> Why MathPlayer doesn't work in IE10 and IE11
> >>>
> >>> We wish we could make MathPlayer work with IE10 and IE11, but we can't. A
> >>> half a year ago when we released MathPlayer 3, IE10 simply had too many
> >>> bugs for us to be able to say MathPlayer worked with it. A recent update
> >>> to
> >>> IE10 fixed a number of bugs so that MathPlayer now works tantalizingly
> >>> well
> >>> except that math inside of a span or table causes IE10 to crash. The
> >>> crash
> >>> is in IE10, not MathPlayer — earlier versions of IE work well with the
> >>> same MathPlayer code. Unfortunately, these two cases occur quite often,
> >>> so
> >>> MathPlayer isn't usable in IE10. Microsoft is aware of the bug but
> >>> indicated that fixing the problem was not a priority for them.
> >>>
> >>> There is a different reason why we can't make MathPlayer work with IE11:
> >>> Microsoft disabled the plug-in technology MathPlayer uses to display math
> >>> in IE called a binary behavior. Behaviors allow third party developers to
> >>> extend the capabilities of the browser. It is a powerful idea, but
> >>> unfortunately Microsoft disabled support for binary behaviors<
> >>> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-**us/library/ie/bg182625%28v=vs.**
> >>> 85%29.1spx#legacyAPIs<http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ie/bg182625%28v=vs.85%29.aspx#legacyAPIs>
> >>>
> >>>> .
> >>>>
> >>> What can you do?
> >>>
> >>> If math and accessible math on the web is important to you, make some
> >>> noise! Write a blog post, share this story with your friends and
> >>> colleagues, contact Microsoft directly and get your friends and
> >>> colleagues
> >>> to do so also. If they get enough direct feedback from customers — not
> >>> other software developers, they will hopefully give this matter the
> >>> attention it deserves. You can report Internet Explorer issues directly
> >>> to
> >>> them at http://connect.microsoft.com/**IE<HTTP://CONNECT.MICROSOFT.COM/IE>.
> >>> If you can contact their
> >>> Technical Support Staff by telephone your report will carry even more
> >>> weight. You can contact Microsoft Technical Support at (800) 936-5700.
> >>>
> >>> In the meantime, if you need math accessibility or don't want to wait
> >>> extra time for pages to display math, don't upgrade to IE10 or IE11. That
> >>> also means not upgrading to Windows 8.x because Windows 8.x only supports
> >>> IE10 and IE11.
> >>>
> >>> With your help, we hope that IE returns to being the best browser for
> >>> viewing math.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> You are subscribed to email updates from Design Science News<
> >>> http://news.dessci.com/>
> >>> To stop receiving these emails, you may unsubscribe now<
> >>> http://feedburner.google.com/**fb/a/mailunsubscribe?k=**
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> >>>
> >>>> .
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> >>>
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> >>
> >
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> >
>
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>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 17:48:45 com0400
> From: Jamal Mazrui <empower at smart.net>
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] FW: Recent posts from Design Science News
> Message-ID: <5258723D.1050800 at smart.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Here is another contact:
>
> Rob Sinclair
> Director, Accessible Technology Group
> Microsoft Corporation
> robsi at microsoft.com
>
> Jamal
>
> On 10/11/2013 5:41 PM, Neil Soiffer wrote:
> > They are a big organization, and we don't have a great way to contact the
> > important people directly. I do have a couple of IE developer email addrs,
> > but I don't think it is appropriate I put them out to a wide list. The
> > method we suggest in the post is:
> >
> > "You can report Internet Explorer issues directly to them at
> > http://connect.microsoft.com/IE. If you can contact their Technical Support
> > Staff by telephone your report will carry even more weight. You can contact
> > Microsoft Technical Support at (800) 936-5700."
> >
> > Again, getting this fix is a matter of numbers: the more people who
> > complain about the IE10 bug, the more likely it is that they will fix it.
> >
> >
> > Neil Soiffer
> > SeniorScientist
> > Design Science, Inc.
> > www.dessci.com
> > ~ Makers of MathType, MathFlow, MathPlayer, MathDaisy, Equation Editor ~
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 12:33 PM, Michael Whapples <mwhapples at aim.com>wrote:
> >
> >> Neil, what is the best way for us to let Microsoft know our views?
> >> Sometimes these companies are so large it is hard to know where to go to
> >> let the people who need to know hear our comments.
> >>
> >> Michael Whapples
> >>
> >> On 11/10/2013 20:28, Neil Soiffer wrote:
> >>
> >>> As the person who wrote the blog post, I obviously do think it is bad
> >>> news.
> >>> The only way Microsoft will fix it if users like the people who read this
> >>> list and use MathPlayer give them a call and complain. It is hard to
> >>> believe it would take even close to a person-day to fix the IE10 bug.
> >>> Without pressure to fix the bug from users, they aren't motivated to fix
> >>> their crash. So please call and don't assume someone else will do it —
> >>> everyone who cares needs to do it because they need to hear from lots of
> >>> people to make it a priority.
> >>>
> >>> Neil Soiffer
> >>> SeniorScientist
> >>> Design Science, Inc.
> >>> www.dessci.com
> >>> ~ Makers of MathType, MathFlow, MathPlayer, MathDaisy, Equation Editor ~
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 5:41 AM, Lewicki, Maureen
> >>> <mlewicki at bcsd.neric.org>**wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Your thoughts, Folks? I am not familiar with this but it sounds like bad
> >>>> news for accessibility
> >>>>
> >>>> Maureen Murphy Lewicki
> >>>> Maureen Murphy Lewicki
> >>>> Teacher of Visually Impaired
> >>>> Bethlehem Central School
> >>>> 332 Kenwood AvenueDelmar, NY 12054
> >>>> http://bethlehemschools.org<ht**tp://bethlehemschools.org/<http://bethlehemschools.org/>
> >>>> (518) 439-7460
> >>>> Fax (518) 475-0092
> >>>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The
> >>>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that
> >>>> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and
> >>>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical
> >>>> nuisancedd"Kenneth Jernigan
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> From: Weinstock, Gwen
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 8:38 AM
> >>>> To: Lewicki, Maureen
> >>>> Subject: FW: Recent posts from Design Science News
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ______________________________*inin__
> >>>> From: noreply+feedproxy at google.com<**mailto:noreply+feedproxy@**
> >>>> google.com <noreply%2Bfeedproxy at google.com>> Were
> >>>> noreply+feedproxy at google.com] on behalf of Design Science News Were
> >>>> newsblog at dessci.com]
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 8:13 AM
> >>>> To: Weinstock, Gwen
> >>>> Subject: Recent posts from Design Science News
> >>>> Recent posts from Design Science News<http://news.dessci.com/>
> >>>>
> >>>> [Link to Design Science News] <http://news.dessci.com/>
> >>>>
> >>>> ______________________________*inin__
> >>>>
> >>>> Microsoft cripples the display of math in IE10 & 11<
> >>>> http://feedproxy.google.com/~**r/DesignScienceNews/~3/6nqx-**
> >>>> VpbPgg/microsoft-cripples-*ininddplay-math-ie10-11.8tml"utm_**
> >>>> source=feedburner&utm_medium=*ininemail<http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/DesignScienceNews/~3/6nqx-VpbPgg/microsoft-cripples-display-math-ie10-11.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email>
> >>>> Posted: 09 Oct 2013 09:25 AM PDT
> >>>> [IeNoMathml] <
> >>>> http://designscience.typepad.**com/.a/**6a00e54f0d27e28834019affe1def0**
> >>>> 970c-pi<http://designscience.typepad.com/.a/6a00e54f0d27e28834019affe1def0970c-pi>
> >>>> For the past 12 years, IE users have benefited from our free MathPlayer
> >>>> plugin<http://www.dessci.com/**en/products/mathplayer/<http://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathplayer/>>
> >>>> to display and
> >>>> speak math on the web. MathPlayer has been downloaded over a million
> >>>> times
> >>>> and billions of expressions have been rendered by it on the web.
> >>>> Additionally, tens of million expressions have been spoken allowing
> >>>> people
> >>>> with disabilities from dyslexia to blindness to get access to math.
> >>>> However, MathPlayer cannot be made to work with IE 10 or IE11 until
> >>>> Microsoft decides it is worth their attention.
> >>>>
> >>>> Until they address the problems, it means an end to accessible math in IE
> >>>> — IE goes from being the best solution for math accessibility to having
> >>>> no
> >>>> math accessibility. It also means that websites that deliver math need to
> >>>> use the JavaScript-based MathJax<http://www.mathjax.org**> solution if
> >>>> the
> >>>> math is going to render in IE. MathJax is a great solution and works with
> >>>> MathPlayer now, but without MathPlayer, the display is many times slower
> >>>> than if MathPlayer is used. So with every page containing math that you
> >>>> view, you are paying a price for the lack of MathML support in IE.
> >>>>
> >>>> Why MathPlayer doesn't work in IE10 and IE11
> >>>>
> >>>> We wish we could make MathPlayer work with IE10 and IE11, but we can't. A
> >>>> half a year ago when we released MathPlayer 3, IE10 simply had too many
> >>>> bugs for us to be able to say MathPlayer worked with it. A recent update
> >>>> to
> >>>> IE10 fixed a number of bugs so that MathPlayer now works tantalizingly
> >>>> well
> >>>> except that math inside of a span or table causes IE10 to crash. The
> >>>> crash
> >>>> is in IE10, not MathPlayer — earlier versions of IE work well with the
> >>>> same MathPlayer code. Unfortunately, these two cases occur quite often,
> >>>> so
> >>>> MathPlayer isn't usable in IE10. Microsoft is aware of the bug but
> >>>> indicated that fixing the problem was not a priority for them.
> >>>>
> >>>> There is a different reason why we can't make MathPlayer work with IE11:
> >>>> Microsoft disabled the plug-in technology MathPlayer uses to display math
> >>>> in IE called a binary behavior. Behaviors allow third party developers to
> >>>> extend the capabilities of the browser. It is a powerful idea, but
> >>>> unfortunately Microsoft disabled support for binary behaviors<
> >>>> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-**us/library/ie/bg182625%28v=vs.**
> >>>> 85%29.1spx#legacyAPIs<http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ie/bg182625%28v=vs.85%29.aspx#legacyAPIs>
> >>>>
> >>>>> .
> >>>>>
> >>>> What can you do?
> >>>>
> >>>> If math and accessible math on the web is important to you, make some
> >>>> noise! Write a blog post, share this story with your friends and
> >>>> colleagues, contact Microsoft directly and get your friends and
> >>>> colleagues
> >>>> to do so also. If they get enough direct feedback from customers — not
> >>>> other software developers, they will hopefully give this matter the
> >>>> attention it deserves. You can report Internet Explorer issues directly
> >>>> to
> >>>> them at http://connect.microsoft.com/**IE<HTTP://CONNECT.MICROSOFT.COM/IE>.
> >>>> If you can contact their
> >>>> Technical Support Staff by telephone your report will carry even more
> >>>> weight. You can contact Microsoft Technical Support at (800) 936-5700.
> >>>>
> >>>> In the meantime, if you need math accessibility or don't want to wait
> >>>> extra time for pages to display math, don't upgrade to IE10 or IE11. That
> >>>> also means not upgrading to Windows 8.x because Windows 8.x only supports
> >>>> IE10 and IE11.
> >>>>
> >>>> With your help, we hope that IE returns to being the best browser for
> >>>> viewing math.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> You are subscribed to email updates from Design Science News<
> >>>> http://news.dessci.com/>
> >>>> To stop receiving these emails, you may unsubscribe now<
> >>>> http://feedburner.google.com/**fb/a/mailunsubscribe?k=**
> >>>> N9PEMvD1KflH6wkD-tl0M9UnZyblej<http://feedburner.google.com/fb/a/mailunsubscribe?k=N9PEMvD1KflH6wkD-tl0M9UnZy0>
> >>>>
> >>>>> .
> >>>>>
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> >>>>
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> >>>>
> >>>> ______________________________*inin_________________
> >>> Blindmath mailing list
> >>> Blindmath at nfbnet.org
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> >>>
> >>
> >> ______________________________*inin_________________
> >> Blindmath mailing list
> >> Blindmath at nfbnet.org
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> >>
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>
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 15:11:27 com0700
> From: Neil Soiffer <NeilS at dessci.com>
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] FW: Recent posts from Design Science News
> Message-ID:
> <CAESRWkAgbcn2ouEvznt=D3LB_sBFv0NesUXxcLZwwX12wFTqTA at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Thanks. That's a good contact. Rob Sinclair was on early rounds of talks
> we had that were more focused on the IE11 problem where they said they
> might remove support for the technology MathPlayer depends on. He wasn't on
> the latest round of talks about the IE10 bug.
>
> Neil Soiffer
> SeniorScientist
> Design Science, Inc.
> www.dessci.com
> ~ Makers of MathType, MathFlow, MathPlayer, MathDaisy, Equation Ed
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 2:48 PM, Jamal Mazrui <empower at smart.net> wrote:
>
> > Here is another contact:
> >
> > Rob Sinclair
> > Director, Accessible Technology Group
> > Microsoft Corporation
> > robsi at microsoft.com
> >
> > Jamal
> >
> >
> > On 10/11/2013 5:41 PM, Neil Soiffer wrote:
> >
> >> They are a big organization, and we don't have a great way to contact the
> >> important people directly. I do have a couple of IE developer email addrs,
> >> but I don't think it is appropriate I put them out to a wide list. The
> >> method we suggest in the post is:
> >>
> >> "You can report Internet Explorer issues directly to them at
> >> http://connect.microsoft.com/**IE <http://connect.microsoft.com/IE>. If
> >> you can contact their Technical Support
> >> Staff by telephone your report will carry even more weight. You can
> >> contact
> >> Microsoft Technical Support at (800) 936-5700."
> >>
> >> Again, getting this fix is a matter of numbers: the more people who
> >> complain about the IE10 bug, the more likely it is that they will fix it.
> >>
> >>
> >> Neil Soiffer
> >> SeniorScientist
> >> Design Science, Inc.
> >> www.dessci.com
> >> ~ Makers of MathType, MathFlow, MathPlayer, MathDaisy, Equation Editor ~
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2013 00:08:40 +0100
> From: Michael Whapples <mwhapples at aim.com>
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] FW: Recent posts from Design Science News
> Message-ID: <525884F8.5060006 at aim.com>
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>
> Thanks for these contacts.
>
> Michael Whapples
> On 11/10/2013 23:11, Neil Soiffer wrote:
> > Thanks. That's a good contact. Rob Sinclair was on early rounds of talks
> > we had that were more focused on the IE11 problem where they said they
> > might remove support for the technology MathPlayer depends on. He wasn't on
> > the latest round of talks about the IE10 bug.
> >
> > Neil Soiffer
> > SeniorScientist
> > Design Science, Inc.
> > www.dessci.com
> > ~ Makers of MathType, MathFlow, MathPlayer, MathDaisy, Equation Ed
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 2:48 PM, Jamal Mazrui <empower at smart.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Here is another contact:
> >>
> >> Rob Sinclair
> >> Director, Accessible Technology Group
> >> Microsoft Corporation
> >> robsi at microsoft.com
> >>
> >> Jamal
> >>
> >>
> >> On 10/11/2013 5:41 PM, Neil Soiffer wrote:
> >>
> >>> They are a big organization, and we don't have a great way to contact the
> >>> important people directly. I do have a couple of IE developer email addrs,
> >>> but I don't think it is appropriate I put them out to a wide list. The
> >>> method we suggest in the post is:
> >>>
> >>> "You can report Internet Explorer issues directly to them at
> >>> http://connect.microsoft.com/**IE <http://connect.microsoft.com/IE>. If
> >>> you can contact their Technical Support
> >>> Staff by telephone your report will carry even more weight. You can
> >>> contact
> >>> Microsoft Technical Support at (800) 936-5700."
> >>>
> >>> Again, getting this fix is a matter of numbers: the more people who
> >>> complain about the IE10 bug, the more likely it is that they will fix it.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Neil Soiffer
> >>> SeniorScientist
> >>> Design Science, Inc.
> >>> www.dessci.com
> >>> ~ Makers of MathType, MathFlow, MathPlayer, MathDaisy, Equation Editor ~
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 18:59:52 com0700
> From: "Brett Boyer" <bboyer202 at gmail.com>
> To: "'Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics'"
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> Hi. My name is Brett and I am so psyched to find this list. Though I am not
> an advanced math student I am taking it in college and I'm struggling quite
> a bit with technology and accessibility. I hope this list will be a great
> resource and look forward to learning anything I can about how to make this
> nightmare a little more bearable.
> So I wanted to say hi and I want to thank you in advance for any questions I
> might have. Again I know next to nothing about the current trends in access
> technology when it comes to math. I haven't been to school for awhile!
> bb
>
>
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 22:42:34 com0400
> From: "I. C. Bray" <i.c.bray at win.net>
> To: <bboyer202 at gmail.com>, "Blind Math list for those interested in
> mathematics" <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] new member introduction
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> Brett,
>
> First off, welcome to the list!! You will in fact find yourself among some
> very helpful and insightful individuals here. I for one, find the issues
> and solutions here and on the Computer Science list among my favorite reads
> theese days!
> A fair number of the posts even require me to work a bit for my enjoyment—
> there is lots of cutting edge knowledge to be learned about here.
>
> As someone who is recently blind, and interested in pursuing math as a
> potential career, I know how you feel with regard to feeling new to
> accessible tech & math.
>
> Something I keep telling myself I need to do is go through the archives and
> read old posts, but I have as of now, failed to do so.
>
> I'm sure there is someone here with answers to your questions, and will make
> the nightmares a bit easier.
>
> Respectfully,
> Ian C. Bray
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
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>
> : Hi. My name is Brett and I am so psyched to find this list. Though I am
> not
> : an advanced math student I am taking it in college and I'm struggling
> quite
> : a bit with technology and accessibility. I hope this list will be a great
> : resource and look forward to learning anything I can about how to make
> this
> : nightmare a little more bearable.
> : So I wanted to say hi and I want to thank you in advance for any questions
> I
> : might have. Again I know next to nothing about the current trends in
> access
> : technology when it comes to math. I haven't been to school for awhile!
> : bb
> :
> :
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