[Blindmath] Typing in Nemeth Braille

I. C. Bray i.c.bray at win.net
Sun Sep 15 16:16:07 UTC 2013 

Michael,
What or how would you recommend getting started?  Regardless of the learning 
curve or software or quid pro quo's ?  Keep in mind that you want to be both 
a student, teacher, and possible blindness researcher?

Thank you for the Blind-Science notice.  I was actually contacted by someone 
this morning!  I would, however; like to make it known that I am interested 
in the Science Organization, and would appreciate any community that exists.

Ian



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Whapples" <mwhapples at aim.com>
To: "Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics" 
<blindmath at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Typing in Nemeth Braille


: Here are a few comments of mine for what it is worth.
:
: I agree with Niel that using MathType and Word is possibly a simpler
: option for those who already know how to use Word. Also MathType having
: the LaTeX input mode/toggle in Word does mean that mathType is
: sufficiently accessible to be usable.
:
: As well as using Duxbury to convert a Word document with MathType
: equation, there is also the Tiger Software Suite from ViewPlus
: Technologies. I probably also should disclose that I do work for
: ViewPlus, so I will withhold making comments on how well either work, I
: am just putting forward the other option. I believe both do have demo
: versions so you can try both and see which is better for you.
:
: Scientific notebook has been mentioned, something I know little of, but
: it certainly seems to get much less discussion than the other options.
: Also I do not know what accessibility it does or does not have.
:
: Another popular option is to write the document in LaTeX, great if you
: are going to make sufficient use of it as it probably is the most
: flexible and powerful option. The big down side is that there is quite a
: lot to learn and so the learning time is certainly not insignificant.
:
: I must also note that all three of the above options rely on software
: translation to produce Braille, and so the Braille output is only as
: good as the software is. This is unlikely to be perfect at best,
: speaking for myself when I did a physics degree between 2003 and 2007
: the British Braille support in a popular Braille translation package was
: as good as useless (eg. many symbols not even known, some LaTeX commands
: causing the translation software to stop translating with no error
: message, etc). My point here mainly being that you certainly want to
: test the software first, you may not be able to purely rely on it (I
: would personally say it probably would need some form of proof reading).
:
: I would say that the blind person should at least be able to understand
: the main stream format (eg. LaTeX or MathType in Word), so at least if
: there is Braille translation issues they can refer back to the original
: document to see what they should have.
:
: On the topic of the NFB-Science list, I believe it does tend to be much
: quieter.
:
: Michael Whapples
: On 15/09/2013 07:03, I. C. Bray wrote:
: > Neil,
: > Well, I am going to need to use something, and I have been putting off
: > deciding until I get some idea what's out there and what makes sence for 
me.
: > I don't want to have to learn 5 new programs and try to keep the command 
&
: > control sets seperate...
: > I've been reading the BlindMath ListServ and hearing the difficulties 
and am
: > just hoping I collect enough info and various ways to approach my own 
Math,
: > Science, and Teaching needs now that I'm blind.
: >
: > OH, Side note question.
: > Is the Blind Science listserv not active??  I Joined the list, and do 
not
: > think I got any replies...
: >
: > Ian
: > ----- Original Message -----
: > From: "Neil Soiffer" <NeilS at dessci.com>
: > To: "Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics"
: > <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
: > Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 1:52 AM
: > Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Typing in Nemeth Braille
: >
: >
: > : You can also use MathType with Word and then use Duxbury to translate 
to
: > : Nemeth.  Like Scientific notebook, with MathType you just type the 
math in
: > : using an easy math editor. If you are a familiar with Word, it is 
probably
: > : a better option than getting Scientific Notebook and having to learn 
that.
: > : MathType is just a math editor and so is a lot cheaper than Scientific
: > : notebook.  Your school might already have a site license [full 
disclosure:
: > : my company makes MathType]
: > :
: > : Neil Soiffer
: > : Senior Scientist
: > : Design Science, Inc.
: > : www.dessci.com
: > : ~ Makers of MathType, MathFlow, MathPlayer, MathDaisy, Equation Editor 
~
: > :
: > :
: > :
: > : On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 5:46 PM, Allan Mesoga
: > <allan.mesoga at gmail.com>wrote:
: > :
: > : > You can also use scientific notebook and save it as latex and open 
it
: > : > using duxbury then translate.
: > : >
: > : > On 9/10/13, Sharon O'Neill <soneill1 at haverford.edu> wrote:
: > : > > Hi Gabriela:  were you able to find an answer to the Nemeth 
Braille
: > : > > software question?  I see they directed you to the fellow that has
: > : > revamped
: > : > > the nfbnet list for blindmath.  Were you able to contact him?
: > : > >
: > : > > I would be very interested in what he suggested.
: > : > >
: > : > > Regards,
: > : > >
: > : > > Sheri
: > : > >
: > : > >
: > : > > On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 4:25 PM, Gabriela Moats 
<gmoats at haverford.edu>
: > : > > wrote:
: > : > >
: > : > >> Hi all,
: > : > >> I need to make raised tactile images that contain labels with 
math
: > : > >> symbols for a blind student and he would like them to be typed in
: > Nemeth
: > : > >> Braille. Usually I just type them in SimBraille font and then 
feed it
: > : > >> through an embosser so that the dots become raised Braille, but I
: > need
: > : > to
: > : > >> be able to type in Nemeth Braille for this science course. Does
: > anyone
: > : > >> know
: > : > >> of a software program or font I can download that would allow me 
to
: > do
: > : > >> this?
: > : > >>
: > : > >> Thank you,
: > : > >>
: > : > >> Gabriela
: > : > >>
: > : > >> --
: > : > >> Gabriela Echavarría Moats
: > : > >> Special Assignment Coordinator of Accommodations
: > : > >> Office of Disabilities Services
: > : > >> Haverford College
: > : > >> Stokes Hall 118F
: > : > >> gmoats at haverford.edu
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