[Blindmath] Math Computer Program

Mon Mar 3 01:53:15 UTC 2014

Hi Tami, if we can find a good way that works for users who need to type in
braille, I'll do it.

John

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From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tami
Jarvis
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2014 12:16 PM
To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Math Computer Program

John,

I think I would make some use of braille input of the notation. I'm
projecting as to how I plan to use tools I don't have yet, but being able to
use the onboard keyboard of the display is something I would like to have.

Watching others tackle the complexities of context-dependency, I'm realizing
typing braille input in various flavors won't be as simple as I used to
imagine it would be. Maybe a psychic display would help? /lol/ Still, a lot
more is possible in math and science accessibility than there used to be,
and it is exciting to see new tools coming in to play.

Tami

On 03/02/2014 11:21 AM, John Gardner wrote:
> Hi Tami, yes it is easy to put in braille input for LEAN Braille, 
> which is more or less a braille equivalent of the LEAN notation.  If 
> there are people who will use it, I could do that easily.
>
> Composing in Nemeth or other official braille language is infinitely 
> more difficult, partly because all math braille languages have 
> ambiguities (which could be accounted for in various ways - in fact 
> easily for Nemeth), but more particularly, all are context-dependent, and
that is a real killer.
> Truthfully I don't know how to incorporate Nemeth equation 
> composition, and other braille math languages are even more difficult.  
> It is something I'm trying to understand better and might someday be 
> able to do.  But not imminently unfortunately.
>
> Be well all.
> John
>
>
> John
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
> Tami Jarvis
> Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2014 2:45 PM
> To: Blind Math list for those interested in mathematics
> Subject: Re: [Blindmath] Math Computer Program
>
> John,
>
> Great work, and congratulations on your progress!
>
> You say presently one can't compose the equation using braille. Is 
> this a feature that will be added in the future? I'm asking more out 
> of curiosity than anything. By the time I do get back to taking math 
> classes, LEAN Math will be one of the exciting new programs I plan to 
> explore! Even if I have to use nasty old MS Word. /grin/
>
> I like the idea of being able to type in braille while I'm working in 
> braille, especially on complex tasks. It's not as big a deal for me to 
> switch back and forth as it was at first, but I still like to think in 
> dots when I'm using dots, if that makes sense.
>
> Keep up the good work!
>
> Tami
>
> On 03/01/2014 08:56 AM, John Gardner wrote:
>> Hi, I will soon be releasing the final beta version of LEAN Math.  If 
>> you'd like to join the beta list, you are welcome to do so.  Just 
>> send me an e-mail requesting it.
>>
>> LEAN Math will soon become a commercial product from ViewPlus, but it 
>> will basically be free.  ViewPlus will sell it to companies and 
>> agencies along with a support and training package, but blind 
>> individuals can get it free without support.  I hope that this list 
>> will become a LEAN support center for blind people.  I'll be doing 
>> what I can personally to answer questions and provide guidance.
>>
>> LEAN Math is an editor and interface to applications that accept MathML.
>> The first edition is as an interface to MathType in MS Word.  So if 
>> you have MS Office and MathType, for you it is free.  And you will 
>> have a nice way to read and write standard scientific documents in MS
> Word.
>>
>> I have designed LEAN Math to work as efficiently as possible with 
>> audio feedback, and it works with any screen reader.  It also shows 
>> several kinds of braille (including Nemeth), though presently you 
>> cannot compose the equation by typing braille.  There are also lots 
>> of functions supporting equation manipulation permitting one to solve 
>> algebraic equations almost as easily as sighted people can do with a
> pencil.
>>
>> LEAN Math comes with two apps that install short cuts on your desktop.
>> One is the LEAN Editor.  You must have a Word file open.  If the 
>> cursor is on a MathType equation when LEAN_Edit is opened, it opens 
>> in
> that editor.
>> Otherwise the editor opens with a blank equation.  It takes an hour 
>> or so to read through the documentation that is within the editor to 
>> learn how to read and write equations, then you just do it.  When 
>> you've finished composing an equation, press CTRL+s to save it, and 
>> presto you have a MathType equation with alt text, something readable 
>> by sighted or blind people.
>>
>> The other app is LEAN_In, an app that will insert alt text in 
>> MathType equations that can be read by any screen reader.  Alt text 
>> can be words or braille.
>>
>> John Gardner
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Blindmath [mailto:blindmath-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Elise Berkley
>> Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2014 4:01 AM
>> To: BlindMath
>> Subject: [Blindmath] Math Computer Program
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello, everyone.  I am a new subscriber and I love this list already.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am a new math student in college (even though I am 49 years old).  
>> I have been totally blind for 19 years so I still have visuals of 
>> numbers, etc.  I have Jaws on my laptop and we all know it does not 
>> work that well with numbers.  I am looking for a software that will 
>> work to speak math better to me because I am a math major and have a 
>> long way to go.  I can't afford anything too expensive.  Thanks for 
>> your help and, again, I have learned new things from all of you 
>> already.  Elise Berkley
>>
>>
>>
>> Elise Berkley
>>
>> "The joy of the Lord is my strength."
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